general-feedback-discussion

[slim storm]

Quality over quantity is what they are shooting for. They are trying to hire people to help expand the roster faster but hiring people is gonna take time

[limber hull]

also back to the point of a new/improved map, we NEED one. The current one is just like, a few hotspots and then dense jungles no one ever enters

which they plan to do after they've finished focusing on the bigger mechanics like NV and gore

[slim storm]

And Im telling ya, they are. However mechanics need to be focused on first. You just make the mechanic updates take longer if you add a bunch of playables that need to be balanced in. Add the playables second then it takes less time as the mechanics are there and just need to be slotted in

[limber hull]

then dont believe it, i dont know what you want me to say

your choice to believe what you wanna believe

it wont change anything if you do or don't believe the roster is getting significantly expanded post U6

[slim storm]

Yes and they are working towards that. Before that you need a functional game as a base. They are currently laying the groundwork for all of that

After U9, basic mechanics for dinos will be done and they will start human development. They will then shift focus to adding more playables as well

Human development is handled by entirely different people than dinos so both will be able to work on each project at once

So like, you are also mixing their priorities with their goals. The priorities right now are laying the groundwork mechanics for the dinosaurs. After that they will focus on groundwork mechanics for humans, while a portion of the team adds more playable dinos. The humans are gonna take a while and they will probably focus on mercenaries first as the tribals will have a whole different system to work around. Once all of the groundwork is completed, they can focus on stuff like hypos and such. They have an order they are following, but you cannot expect it to all come at once

I may also be entirely misinterpreting what you are trying to say as well. Forgive me if that is the case

[limber hull]

small dinos that aren't fun to play

idk man, climbing hypsi, diving beipi and mimic troodon sound fucking sweet to me

[grand zinc]

Ngl it sad i cant really climb yet

[limber hull]

a carno cant climb

also beipi can easily outswim anything coming for it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1003403762800525322/lordbeipi.gif

its not a herbivore

omnivore

also hypsi will be VERY safe seeing as it has climb planned

no real preds but herrera and maybe ptera/quetz

[grand zinc]

Climbing probably wont exist till herra is added in whatever year

[ashen wasp]

humans are going to be optional depending on server, avoiding conflict is part of survival, smaller animals are less costly to grow time-wise, early access, uh, exists, Dryo's gonna get burrowing judging from what we've seen. i understand that it's been a while since the game first launched, nobody's arguing that. but it's far better in my opinion that the devs are putting so much time and care into The Isle rather than pushing a broken product at us

mechanically well-rounded playables require mechanics

which they have-- they're actively developing their own game, as we've seen

[slim storm]

Just to repeat, they are hiring more people

[limber hull]

they're trying to. you cant summon a coder, they have to apply

[slim storm]

They are currently working on the dinosaue survival aspect. Thats pretty much it

After which they will work on the human survival aspect

Then they will work on the sci-fi aspect

Thats the part they are working on and the part they are working on after

[ashen wasp]

i mean, everything's interconnected. from what we've heard humans are coming to Evrima's public branch around update 6

[last lily]

I call forth upon thee, coders from the Underworld under the Black Sacrament
Thisisajoke

[limber hull]

(very exciting)

loved humans last time we got to play em

[slim storm]

Isnt that what humans are getting light work done on them now? To aid in their implementation later?

[ashen wasp]

i know, right?? imagine getting them AND Troodon to mess around with at the same time

[limber hull]

yee

troodon one of if not my most hyped dinos

tiny nocturnal venomous mimicry swarm beast sounds incredible to me

[ashen wasp]

excited to see how it'll interact with the current ecosystem

[limber hull]

bet it gets clapped by utah, which is fair lmao

[ashen wasp]

i do feel like it wouldve been fine with like. half its gimmicks

[limber hull]

i like the way that they have "smaller they are, the more they can do" conceptutally

[slim storm]

I just dont understand the hold up and confusion from people on the games development. I think its just frustration from its length thats taking its toll

[limber hull]

like how minmi is an aquatic armoured burrower

[slim storm]

It makes small animals more interesting to play as large ones are through size alone

[limber hull]

large ones should be just "big and scary" as that's reason enough to play them

you don't NEED mechanical complexity from a T-Rex as long as it feels really strong (like a T-Rex)

the idea of being a giant rex is incentive enough for people to pick it up. As long as it has a big bite and is scary, people will wanna play it

[ashen wasp]

still think the big bois should have enough differentiating them such that they don't feel too same-y. but yeah i like how the smalls are just brimming with personality

acid-spitting tree-climber, hook-clawed semiaquatic omnivore...

[limber hull]

well yea, rex has its big bite, giga has its speed and bleed, spino has its aquatic brawler thing going on

for velo, i'd give it the niche of being able to be literally fucking anywhere

any environment, any biome, it's perfectly happy

[burnt bone]

generally, big dinos have an ability/attack that makes then unique from the rest of the big bois. Meanwhile every small animal has a completely unique playstyle and varied mechanics.

[ashen wasp]

still hoping rex gets, just. DISRESPECTFUL scent range

[limber hull]

jungles, coasts, arid, plains, so on, velo just vibes

[limber hull]

cera should have the same thing tbh

[ashen wasp]

pulling up on a Velo in a mangrove swamp would feel so weird

[burnt bone]

jack of all trades: can climb decently, can invade burrows decently, can swim decently, and can run decently.

[limber hull]

but here's the thing, i LOVE the idea of velo just being a tiny little invasive carnivore that does not care what ecosystem it's invading, it will invade it nonetheless

like "is that a fucking velo in the mangrove trees"
"these goddamn bastards"

[ashen wasp]

opportunist Velo is choice. opening up a pringles can and a Velo jumps out-- just absolutely ubiquitous

[limber hull]

claws to climb, feathers for breaking falls and assisting swimming, small size to enter burrows

[burnt bone]

the worse nemesis to humans, they don't care what building you're hiding in or where that building is. there will be velos

[limber hull]

this guy should be near unavoidable, I love the idea of being a prehistoric pest

like humans have to exterminate the fuckers because they'll nest near human structures for the food

[ashen wasp]

alone they aren't intimidating, but once they get ESTABLISHED in a base/area?? once they start nesting?? youre better off moving or acquiring a flamethrower

[limber hull]

exactly my point

[burnt bone]

honestly, i cant wait for humans to try and enter a building, only to realize theres like 4 different species mixpacking to specifically kill humans

[ashen wasp]

shoot, i feel like HYPSI would be a fine species to infest bases with. can reach everywhere, place nests anywhere, needs remarkably little to survive (not necessarily thrive), but is annoying enough to pester other species out of an area

[limber hull]

out of every animal, velo is only 30kg and would be considered a "shitty utah", so what do we do with something that's considered a worse alternative to a utah? We give it the one thing utah has and go full in on it, complete adaptability. Utah can climb in concept art? Velo can climb better. Utah can invade burrows while young? Velo can always do it, and with better results. Utah has a decent swimspeed? Velo has a better swimspeed.

I want these guys to manage to find their way to prey upon whatever they want in whatever biome

[ashen wasp]

shoot, they dont even need to be better than Utah in all of these categories-- it can be a coyote-wolf situation, where Utah will absolutely destroy Velos most of the time, but Velo is just. adaptable enough to colonize absolutely EVERYWHERE that Utahs don't happen to be at the moment

[limber hull]

yea

you push velo out of its home and it immediately colonises a new one

[ashen wasp]

Velo being much smaller means itll have a shorter growth time and attract more casual players anyways.

[limber hull]

yea, and with the ability to explore and thrive in any environment, their new player experience would be REALLY good

no matter where you first spawn as a velo, you can treat it as a home

[ashen wasp]

the ultimate beginner's carnivore

[jovial otter]

As a huge fan of legacy velo, PLS I'd love being a little menace in evrima

[limber hull]

yes

tiny arrogant beast

[agile lark]

Would anyone like a Teno egg on NA 2? ^.^

[gritty terrace]

this is feedback, #evrima-na is what you are looking for

[agile lark]

Oh crap, no wonder I didnt get an answer earlier :p I thought I was in the right channel. This was sent before coffee haha. Thanks ^.^

[gritty terrace]

@rocky aspen I wanted to ask what your thoughts are on the current mud puddles because I personally think they are so out in the open and so rare that there is no use for them for getting people off your tail. I liked how it was when evrima came out where it was next to rivers because it would actually make it more risky because of now having deinosuchus and deinosuchus gameplay may be better because more people would utilize them being more common

[rocky aspen]

They aren't really utilized in the slighest and its a mechanic practically going to waste! People dont even wallow for fun anymore because its a hassle finding the mud anyways. Seems like a wasted feature to me. Having the mud along rivers just makes more sense. Of COURSE theres gonna be mud along a river and besides it gives deino a second to see the prey and catch it while its vunerable.

[gritty terrace]

deino is so boring rn besides cannibalism, it just really needs it lmao

[uneven mist]

@barren zephyr there are shallow areas where you can drink where deinos can’t attack but if we make more safe places where people can drink without getting killed by deinos would result in the deino being unviable because everyone would go to that place

I would love better rivers or waters and I hope those comes when more semi-aquatics are added

[vestal cloak]

Yeah just gotta learn the safe spots. Can just drink out of any spot without caution.

[lapis swallow]

Helps when you have a experienced deino player in your utah pack lol

[burnt bone]

I know routes around the map where you can cross the rivers without swimming at all, so there are plenty of shallow and empty areas on the map where theres no deinos. Also the puddle at the beach is a nice spot for pachies and predators of pachies.

[lapis swallow]

Without crossing? Thats crazy

[somber mesa]

if not for the water being see-through, you could even grow a croc there. Utahs and pteras are common enough to catch

[lapis swallow]

And fishies

[somber mesa]

not at the beach, only turtles and crabs. deino can grab the turtles far at sea easily tho

[burnt bone]

the only issue is that when you do grow a croc and start eating the local population, then people just avoid the area til you starve

[lapis swallow]

Minor issue

[somber mesa]

Yeah, that and the puddle is prone to camping (by like a utah pack) forcing you to log or die of thirst (this is what hapoened when i tried it with a friend)

Swimming in the ocean with the croc is a blast tho

[bitter jay]

Funny thing, I suggested the very same thing a while ago and it got downvoted into oblivion.

[barren zephyr]

WTF freshly killed pig despawned so fast

i was healing bleed

[queen swift]

dude they need to remove pachy till they add something that counters them... too may herbivores charge carnivores when they should be running from them

[gusty patrol]

the good thing is pachys are easy to kill right now (too easy?) so its their fault for dying most of the time, rather than running away when given the chance

[proud coral]

Very late response but I absolutely love this idea for Velo.

[slim storm]

Thats so weird. Maybe it was the way ya put it?

[glad furnace]

Why is legacy branch run so much more smoother than Evrima

[valid zephyr]

Bruh did they delete that amazing suggestion?

[cobalt quest]

lol solo utah kills pachy with one pounce and an alt bite or two, there's definitely a counter as long as the utah isn't dumb as rocks

which, if someone is gonna play an intelligence based creature in a stupid way yeah it's gonna get bodied every time. generally speaking if the pachy charges after the Utah is gonna be toasted, if it's willing to waste that much stam to run after it from such a distance

[jovial otter]

There's areas fully grown tenos can jump 90% of the way across

[slim storm]

What one

[burnt bone]

@nova silo I'm fine with most of that, but 100 biteforce is insane. that means it 5-shots a pachy and deals over half as much as a carno

utah uses bite to chase down smaller prey or keep larger prey bleeding. Its main attack is pounce, buffing bite even more just makes it unbalanced.

Also lets take a moment to look at pachy after this change: Pachy currently deals 60 damage with alt attacks (even less than utah bites currently, but it has a sun at least) and deals 100 damage with a charged ram. That buff means utah deals as much damage as pachy does with a charged ram and can pounce pachy to drain 1/3 of pachy's bleed at least.

[worn pumice]

Sounds balanced

I don’t agree with a stam nerf or stegos tail nor a dmg decrease

In fact I don’t really want to change stego that much right now as currently it does what it is supposed to

[calm granite]

lmao

[limber hull]

lmao

did you know every carnivore can escape pachy easily. Utah and carno can literally run in a straight line and never get caught

[calm granite]

i dont think they have the skill to hold Shift+W

pachy gets destroyed rn

[limber hull]

i wouldnt say it gets destroyed since i used it to successfully destroy an entire family of utahs but it's def not OP

[calm granite]

utahs were prob running off 3 braincells combined

[tight oxide]

utah needs one pounce to make pachy stop chase

And carno can mess pachy up good

[limber hull]

@violet magnet i dont see the problem with that sound

[lapis swallow]

The teno calls?

[limber hull]

utah

[lapis swallow]

Which one, my wifi is bad where I am right now

[limber hull]

court

[lapis swallow]

I think it sounds cool, the animation is a bit weird, but the calls are fine

[pale crest]

To add to my suggestion- this is my very detailed concept art added for exclusivity

[pale crest]

@barren zephyr there are a few Hotspots for finding boars and just try to not wait till you're seriously injured to rest while hunting boars

[barren zephyr]

Hard not to when youre red starving

Esp with ai spawns as it is

Had i bled out i would have died

[pale crest]

Well duh, but you have to just get use to knowing where the food usually is.

Which is easier said than done- but right that's off topic

I think it's just an issue of timing things when you're hunting boars

[barren zephyr]

I still dont think thats an excuse for devs to make carcasses rot that fast

Even player bodies dont rot that fast

[pale crest]

So you kill the boar and then try to wait to heal the bleed?

[barren zephyr]

Just the bleed only

It wasnt even long, 1 min tops, bodies last significantly longer than one min

[pale crest]

Yep around 15 I believe

[gritty terrace]

@formal estuary in update 8 when they are adding weather they are doing storms, floods and fires

[formal estuary]

Oh really? That’s really cool. I didn’t know that thanks! :)

[gritty terrace]

yeah you can see it in the roadmap in #roadmap-updates

[maiden epoch]

@floral saffron cool idea but way to much work to actually get it in the Game

[terse heath]

hey i’m having trouble launching the game just trying to find some help

[uneven mist]

check pins here #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[south ravine]

Why is it that when you get up as ptera you lose so much stam?

doesnt seem normal to me

[icy lion]

Tap H instead of a movement key

[south ravine]

ah thanks ill try that next time ^^

[main elm]

psittacosaurus

[zealous violet]

Why does food gotta be glitched XD You grab something to bring with you, travel for forever then when comes time to eat it? Glitched. ;-;

[vestal cloak]

Grabbing causes the eating glitch from my experience

[zealous violet]

Exactly. Its such a bother but it is what it is, the game isnt finished so I prefer to just remain hidden somewhere near the food of choice.

[north lantern]

can someone explain the bleeding mechanic to me? ive died four times as an almost full grown carno to utahs, it always ends up being the bleed that kills me even if im full on all of my stats and im not running around

what do i need to do to not die from bleed without hugging a mud puddle?

[uneven mist]

The blood is another healthbar and it runs out faster when you are running and things like Utah are supposed to use bleed to kill its prey

[cunning jolt]

Xbox is laggy

[slim storm]

Wrong game bro

[agile lark]

Basically - the bleed is separate from your health. When the blood drop at the bottom of the screen empties, it means you’ve lost too much blood and you die from it.

The best way you can fight a group of Utahs as a carno is to make sure you are close to either a large rock or tree, because when they use their pounce - you can stun them off - killing them with a couple of bites I believe.

[limber hull]

bleed is also influenced by multiple factors. The intensity of the bleed is modified by movement (more movement = more bleed). The duration of the bleed is modified by your dino's health, food, water and stamina (the lower these are, the longer you bleed)

[grave dagger]

@spiral ravine Games take time to develop, each update brings in new things that will cause performance issues, so there will always be performance issues right up until the games completion

[uneven mist]

@barren zephyr homalo, kentro and dilo is confirmed to be added if that’s what you asked

[barren zephyr]

Thank you am keep on thinking of some unique dinosaurs for this perfect game 👌

[uneven mist]

There are 56-57 confirmed playables btw

[barren zephyr]

Are these going in to the phase 3

[uneven mist]

Don’t know, most likely but not all

[uneven mist]

Also

@plush vault flood and droughts are confirmed to come in u8

[limber hull]

(not random death lightning tho thats not happening)

[uneven mist]

Yeah, thank god

Lightning would be cool but not that kills you randomly

[lapis swallow]

Imagine losing your apex to one

[uneven mist]

[worldly root]

@novel cosmos Did you see the east river that leads to swamp it is detailed with rocks, the south river is shallow and is more muddier and has shallow details. The rivers are actually detailed each in a diff way.

[novel cosmos]

yeah i have but still feels like the same old river, see a little different small shrubs and thats it

[worldly root]

Not sure what you mean by that but ok

[novel cosmos]

i guess a slight foliage change and width of the river isnt enough , the river is still boring, if you go under water there is nothing there nothing to see, if you are above the water you see a little bit of trees and you cant really see anything happening on land, if you are a gator, just kind of boring and lackluster ?

[novel cosmos]

like yeah its a slight change in foliage on land but still look relatively the same

and there is no aquatic life at all besides other deinos

[worldly root]

ohhhhhh

[novel cosmos]

no attention to detail in the water at all

[worldly root]

Wait im going to show you something

give me 5 min

@novel cosmos

[novel cosmos]

yeah that looks much better

[icy lion]

@grave dagger #phase-two-archive

That's where that image was originally posted

[grave dagger]

I know, but its a pain to scroll through all the other posts to find them, what I mean is a seperate channel for art such as that

[lapis swallow]

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[queen ember]

@silk socket why do you want Carno to be buffed?

[silk socket]

Cuz carno is way to weak in the game. It shouldn't be able to die to 1 raptor.

[queen ember]

I know what your saying

Carno itself is fine, Utah needs changes

[silk socket]

I haven't played Evrima since 1 week after update 5 came out. So I don't 100% know what changed.

[silk socket]

What's carnos max biteforce?

[queen ember]

175

[silk socket]

Wait

[burnt bone]

utah is probably the only bad matchup it has, and thats because they nerfed carno's bleed. If you want to say buff "carno's bleed so it doesnt die to a paper cut" then say that. Otherwise you make it stronger against things like pachy, which is actually a decent matchup now.

[queen ember]

It 2 shots on the head to Utah

[burnt bone]

or 1 headshot ram

[silk socket]

Update 5 carno I mean

[queen ember]

Yes

Utah needs to have more of a challenge with pouncing and have more punishment than it has now and it’s fine

[silk socket]

I thought carno was nerfed after update 5

[queen ember]

It bleeds quicker

Which I personally don’t agree with but it’s whatever

If Utah didn’t get buffed so much it would be fine

[silk socket]

So carno didn't get nerfed but utah got buffed?

[queen ember]

Yes

[silk socket]

Oh

I am seriously out dated

[queen ember]

Lol it’s fine

If I were to change anything to Carno I’d make it bleed a little slower cause it seems almost too fast atm

[limber hull]

@jagged jewel i honestly dont think the new map is an "arid map" as much as the screenshot shows off the arid biome

i still think we'll have forests, jungles and swamps

honestly, the post in phase three could legitimately be from the new map

[barren zephyr]

maybe bio-domes?

[limber hull]

i dont think arid will be in a bio-dome

[barren zephyr]

maybe, but all i can say is have you seen Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous?

[limber hull]

i have not

[barren zephyr]

ok

[limber hull]

@nova anchor those are actually two great ideas

Especially the lack of any aim assist

[nova anchor]

humans should be a horror experience not a primal carnage match

99.9% of the time humans should run and hide instead of standing and fighting

[limber hull]

I’d actually slightly off centre where you aim while not ADSing so people with monitors that can display a crosshair don’t do jack

It’d be very amusing to watch people complain that their third party software isn’t giving them as much of an advantage as they wanted

[nova anchor]

Yes

Reloading should take a hit sec too

No 2 second rifle reloads like most fps games

[limber hull]

No quick and speedy animations, reloading is a bitch irl

[nova anchor]

Anything that discourages “spray’n’pray”

[limber hull]

Trying to reload a gun is a whole fucking dilemma lmao

[nova anchor]

Oh yeah

Reloading while being hunted should be incredibly stressful lol

[limber hull]

With small pistols, sure, they’re designed to be quick with their clips, but you still have to eject the empty clip, rummage around for the new clip, line them up so you don’t end up making a fool of yourself and THEN you’ve “reloaded” (disregarding if the weapon needs to be cocked as well)

That’s one of the easier reloads to do

[urban flax]

I know of a game where reloading a weapon is incredibly hard and time consuming, but that's because of how inventory and actions are handled
In that game in order to reload you have to
-open inventory
-find your weapon
-right-click on the weapon
-click "eject ammo"
-find your ammo (not the magazine you just ejected)
-right-click the ammo
-click "load weapon"
-find your weapon again
-click on the weapon
-wait 2sec while your character does the action
Done.

I also heard of a fps game where you had to do a QTE everytime you needed to reload your weapon
Easy in theory, but hard to do when you're hiding behind a sandbag with bullets flying everywhere around you

[hoary dawn]

hand simulator reloading mechanics for mercs

[urban flax]

Well if that happens at least you're never gonna see anyone going on a shooting spree

[limber hull]

true lmao

i do hope guns are realistic

and by that i mean unwieldily, difficult to hipfire, loud as fuck and a nightmare to maintain

[jagged jewel]

Sure, but from the screenshots its more temperate at least

[limber hull]

from like, one screenshot lmao

of a single isolated biome

[jagged jewel]

yes

from what we’ve seen it is more temperate

even if what we’ve seen is just a gif and 1 photo

it sure is gonna be better than spiro, in terms of gameplay atleast

[limber hull]

i mean, jungles are likely still staying in tho

[jagged jewel]

ah yea for sure

just less dense i imagine

i just want the whole map to be designed by jace is all

[grand locust]

I know that isle is a little but more complicated than PoT but come on they realstes two Dinos in the span of one 3 months this shot is ridiculous

[limber hull]

PoT also has every dinosaur manage to feel the exact same with mild stat differences and attacks lmao

[uneven mist]

They most likely won’t add or start on adding playables before u6, from the looks of it they want to add the playables after u6 because it is a pretty big update

[limber hull]

yea

frankly i cannot in good conscious compare a PoT animal to an Isle animal

PoT just feels like legacy+ and dinosaurs are implemented as such

They don't truly interact with other animals outside of throwing out a hitbox that does damage and maybe some modifiers like bleed and bonebreak

Isle dinos pounce, they charge, knock down, grab, so on

[uneven mist]

Yeah and some animals like dasplato or kentro are pretty useless bc why would you pic those when you could pick stego or rex

[maiden epoch]

The only things that is better PoT is that The Dev Team actually knows what Hot fixes are and how to Release them fast

[limber hull]

i mean

there's not much you can really break with PoT and it's simple mechanics

i will simply prefer the Isle because it tries to make more indepth and complex mechanics than what PoT has to offer

[bitter heart]

@waxen bronze Instead the bushes can be used to bait big predators that are hunting you into running out and die by the cliff fall. I think that is very good with using your enviroment to survive.

[limber hull]

@lone kite nocturnal herbi dryo would be so interesting

[lone kite]

yea ive said it before but i figured id say it again before nv comes out

[limber hull]

the fact there's no nocturnal herbis planned is sad

[lone kite]

yea we could use atleast 1 but i think dryo is the purfict dino for it as dryo is super squishy meaning that if a troodon isnt spoted and can get in and get 1 or 2 bites the dryo is probally dead and the troodon pack has free reign on the herd

but if the dryo actually has EYES it can alert the herd to the presence of the troodons makeing it alot harder for the troodons but its not imposible as the larger herbs still wont have good nv like a dryo

+dryo is probally going to be one of the diets on troodons list meaning dryos haveing decent nv would make it a fair fight between troodon and dryo which are close to each other in size

[queen ember]

@nova anchor I don’t think people are as worried about them being rare as the fact of a merc just being able to shoot you from miles away and just kill you if you have something big like a Apex

Or a merc getting a lucky shot from far away and just Insta killing you on the head as anything

[limber hull]

doubtful since that's not how diets will work

it'll be organ-based, not species based

[queen ember]

I don’t know if they have officially said it won’t be species based anymore but I’m pretty sure it won’t be species based

[limber hull]

they have officially said its organ based

[queen ember]

Alright

Only thing I would say is any Carnivore that isn’t a piscivore shouldn’t get nutrients from fish

[limber hull]

which is a fair take

fish should be a whole nutrient for piscivores

[queen ember]

So then any fish organ for one nutrient,

Or still specific organs with fish

[urban flax]

I hope that new "organ-based diets" system isn't going to be too much of a chore
Like if your dino doesn't automatically what's best for its diet when eating a body with every organ available and you have to manually remove the ones you don't want I'm gonna cry

If the dino starts eating non-beneficial things once the body no longer has a heart, why not, but otherwise it'd just be as (if not more) tedious than the current diet system

[limber hull]

fish organ? Nah dude, you eat a fish, you get a nutrient

[queen ember]

I’d imagine it’ll be something similar to digging for roots, where you’ll press or hold Something to show out the specific nutrients you want and it’ll remove them from the body.

Only issue is organs are small compared to the physical body. So they’ll have to give lots of nutrients to not force you to go after many different things

[urban flax]

Yeah
Also body yield could (and should) be dramatically increased

[queen ember]

Body yield?

[urban flax]

The amount of food a body has

[queen ember]

Yeah that should be raised

[urban flax]

So 4 to 5 carnos can get fed off a single carno body
But since organs are in less quantity than simple meat, it wouldn't fill diets

So carnivores could have their own version of grazing, but in a way that makes sense and isn't op, which is eating the leftovers of a body

[queen ember]

Just bring back the old body values before U5 and it’s fine.

[urban flax]

Higher than that
Even before update 5 some body values were ridiculously low

Or it's that the carnivores eat too much

[limber hull]

with gore, food values can def be increased

since only few organs will be valuable

[urban flax]

Yeah that way you actually have a choice as a carnivore
Either you're confident in your hunting capabilities, only eat the best meat then move on to another prey, either you're really starving and eat everything, but you got enough food for several days with a single kill

And those "confident hunters" leave plenty of food available for juvies and scavengers

[burnt bone]

Megapacks will also then have difficulty making sure everyone gets the diet they need, so there’s a reason to have smaller packs.

[urban flax]

yup
The pack leader just gonna deny everyone else's diet elements

But on the other hand unless diets are made more important as an adult it will become much easier to form a megapack because everyone could just feed themselves off bad quality meat and never starve

[burnt bone]

They may not starve, but they will be weaker. Having 8 people at no diet is not better than having 4 people at good diet

[limber hull]

@lapis swallow why did you downvote if we have proof they're literally working on a new map or reworking the current one

[lapis swallow]

Actually?

I thought they are just expanding it?

[limber hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1003403762800525322/lordbeipi.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1003400074547707914/yellowgrassyeahprobably.png

[lapis swallow]

Oh bruh

[limber hull]

looks like a new/reworked map to me :P

[lapis swallow]

Or a biodome thingy

[gritty terrace]

nah I believe in the code that this is from it was named as a different isla velada

[lapis swallow]

@queen swift it drains their stamina faster which makes their pounces be shorter

[gritty terrace]

so it is likely not a new biome and a new map

[queen swift]

i dont think their stam matters if im dead

i could kill them and still die after, its not worth. its literally better to sit in water or near a tree/rock

[gritty terrace]

the devs also said they regret starting with the big map before doing the small one so I am pretty sure the small map is gonna get done before any big expansions on the current map

[lapis swallow]

Then dont make actions that drain your blood quickly

[urban flax]

Yes it's better to scrape utahs off rocks than to buck. However you don't always have the opportunity to do so.

[lapis swallow]

That is better, but bucking pays off, that shit is annoying and strong when you are pouncing something

[queen swift]

then you die. bucking serves no purpose but to hasten your death

you should not incur the full pounce bleed penalty when you buck them off.

[lapis swallow]

No you dont, bucking fucks up the utahs stam that you are bucking off, but if its a bigger pack that wont matter because other utahs can jump in

[urban flax]

Not necessarily
Every animal that isn't pinned by a utah pounce can survive one if it bucks and then stands still or sits down. On the other hand, if you don't buck, you will always die.

[lapis swallow]

Its not the full pounce penalty, you dont want to experience that

[queen swift]

you still take the bleed though. you take the same ammount of bleed as if you where running for the ammount of stam that dropped

[lapis swallow]

Yeah, because it shortens the pounce not cancel it

[urban flax]

You take a lot less bleed damage if you buck the pounce than if you just let the raptor do its full pounce on you.

[gritty terrace]

at that point it is wrong place wrong time

the devs are planning on making this game more hardcore and that is a big thing, you'll just have to deal with it at times

[queen swift]

it aint. bucking is literally useless is what im trying to say. its not worth it at all.

[gritty terrace]

well you take less bleed than if you just let them

once again if you weren't in a situation where you could buck them off it is just wrong place wrong time

[queen swift]

less bleed means literally nothing when you have no stam to fight or get away. You still take a massive amount of bleed

[gritty terrace]

then don't buck

[queen swift]

🤦‍♀️ thats literally what i just said

[gritty terrace]

if you genuinely think it does not help just don't then

[lapis swallow]

Then the player will see how much it helps lol

[gritty terrace]

99% sure that is the wrong pronoun

[queen swift]

every time ive bucked a raptor off ive ended up dying because of it. its literally better to find a tree. which there's nowhere on the map that don't have trees

[lapis swallow]

The plains are full with trees

[gritty terrace]

not all of them no

[queen swift]

ok im just convinced you arent actually reading what im saying

[lapis swallow]

Then pagi should run into the forest

[lapis swallow]

Oh bruh

You are right

[queen swift]

ill see ifI can post a vid of it, but I'm testing it with a friend and He pounced me, I bucked him off as a teno, ( adult dinos) and my bleed went from 86% - 62% thats a huge jump. I sat right after and kept bleeding till 26% if theres another raptor ( which there most likely will be ) you would be dead, thats why i said it must be a bug or something becasue that does not feel right

[limber hull]

@cinder urchin i thought it was getting a grapple, the devlog and concept art seems to imply it

[urban flax]

That might be that pounce is overtuned
If you didn't buck you would be dead

[lapis swallow]

Now try it without bucking

[limber hull]

it literally grabs two things in the concept art

[queen swift]

im not implying you should let them stay on you... just find something to knock them off

[limber hull]

the headswing seems like more of an alt-attack

[cinder urchin]

It looks like it MAY imply it, however, I'm not so sure, it looks like it may be part of the regular bite

[urban flax]

magy does too
And carno pins something

[lapis swallow]

But bucking is not useless if you have nothing to shove them off

[limber hull]

its literally flinging around a sucho alive

and grabbing a para

[queen swift]

where on the map will you have nothing to get them off?

[lapis swallow]

poor sucho

[cinder urchin]

But I'm also just putting it out there more clearly as an idea and how they can implement it, as suggestions

[cyan flame]

Well no, bucking is better than not bucking. Doesn't mean bucking is actually any good.

[urban flax]

Yes, scrapping utahs off trees or rocks is the better option, and that's intended
It's just that sometimes, you're not close enough to an obstacle when being pounced in order to be able to reach it and have better results than if you had bucked

[lapis swallow]

Southern plains near the oasis up the hill

[urban flax]

Wait where did rex concept go ? It's not in phase two ?

[cinder urchin]

It's in the devblog

[cyan flame]

I sincerely hope that's not intended, because that's just.. dumb. Do you have any quotes or something clarifying this?

[limber hull]

its in devblog

it does a fuckton of grappling lmao

[urban flax]

I mean, it seems evident than using terrain to your advantage is better than just trying to make the thing fall off while standing still.

[queen swift]

it is dumb, bucking should be sufficient, not a penalty.

[lapis swallow]

It is not a penalty

[queen swift]

lke the stam penalty is great, but the bleed penalty is unfair

[queen swift]

it is if you loose almost 20% bleed from it in an instant

[lapis swallow]

It is not a penalty it, your bleed would be much worse if you wouldnt have bucked

[queen swift]

bro how many times do i have to say you dont have to let them stay on you...

[lapis swallow]

Because utahs pounce does insane bleed and you cant just cancel it with pressing e, that is bad gamedesign

[lapis swallow]

Without trees and rocks near you, you have to use buck

[queen swift]

ok youre just not reading. im saying its useless becasue there is a much better option so therefore i dont use it at all

[lapis swallow]

And I am saying its not useless because when the better option is not available then buck is effective

[queen swift]

that better option is literally always available

[cinder urchin]

Again, I'm just putting it out there more clearly, I'm sure they have already thought of it, but that's what the feedback is for. I was just putting it out there how I think it can be implemented. And as it does look like a lot of grappling, knowing how it can perceived, it can also just be the Rex's regular bite being depicted as it actually would instead of phasing through like it does on the game

[lapis swallow]

Not always as I pointed out in my example southern plains up the hill near the oasis, there is a big field without trees

[cyan flame]

Yes, but not to counter a mechanic. Mechanics should be countered by mechanics, not by terrain. See deino. The best counter is to just not.. drink anywhere a deino can be. Which is not fun for either the deino or the other player, since there's no interaction. Terrain is fine, but it should be to hide, counter numbers and attack vectors, and stuff like that. At least I think that would make more sense and make interactions more fun. Besides, people loathe when anyone, but especially stegos, "hug" a tree or rock.

[limber hull]

eh, every animal seems to be getting a special ability now, and i would not be surprised if rex rocks up with a grapple (since a headswing is more of an alt-bite territory)

[lapis swallow]

The plains near nw on the other side of the river have one rock and nearly no trees, so bucking is needed

[cinder urchin]

I agree, as I'm sure giga will probably get something along the lines of ripping off chunks of flesh in order to cause massive bleed since it's main prey was Long neck Sauropods

[urban flax]

People can loathe anything they want. Using terrain is playing smart, and it should be rewarded as such. Also, when you couldn't scrape utahs off trees, people complained that it was weird that it didn't happen, because logically it should happen.

[queen swift]

on top of the bleed buff there is so few areas you can use mud to stop the bleed now. before you had river banks and such. also that area is right next to a forrest.. with trees, the bud against rivers would make people play near rivers more

[lapis swallow]

If you get pounced in the middle of that area it pays off to buck

[lapis swallow]

And what about that area?

[queen swift]

or you could just not go to that area, that one tiny bit of map shouldn't hold the only usefulness of a mechanic... nobody hangs around there much anyways

[cyan flame]

Of course using terrain is smart. I did point out when and how it makes sense. And yes, they did complain about that too. You should be able to do that, if you're running preferably and not just standing there. But it should not be the main way to do it. It also just makes more sense if a mechanic counters a mechanic. Again, see deino, terrible design precisely due to this issue.

[lapis swallow]

You arent always two seconds away from rocks or trees. Bucking is useful in many situations

[queen swift]

ok you are just stuck in your ways good day

[lapis swallow]

Good day

[urban flax]

I think the deino issue is a lot different than the utah one, because it stems from the fact that deino can only use its special ability in a very specific situation, and the entire map design has to be based on that one ability in order to allow deino to use it. And if using terrain to your advantage is not the best way of dealing with a problem, then nobody will ever do it, especially if the best way is simply "pressing a button".

It's not like bucking is much more interactive than running up to trees anyway...

[cyan flame]

It's not. The best way to counter a deino is to use "use terrain", in this case avoid any deep water place, and drink only at shallows. My point there was just that there's no mechanic counter, and this means there's no real interaction. Using terrain can be the best way to deal with some problems and it should, but not a mechanic specifically. You can use terrain to block of attack vectors, or to run in an area where your fall damage resistance is better than the other ones, and so on. There's plenty of ways to use terrain and be rewarded for that in other circumstances.

And yes, current bucking is all kinds of meh. It really could do with some form of balance, or struggle, that gives it more back and forth and demands more on both sides. I absolutely agree with that, I'm not happy with the current "press a button" at all. Deino also could use that tug of war or something more.

To clarify a bit, countering deino by just avoiding deep water, is, at least to me, similar to just "stay near a tree or rock at all times" to counter utah pounce.

[queen swift]

this is a fir argument, I wish there was more accessible mud too, idk why they made mud pools if they wanted us to spread out and not stick to hot spots.

[urban flax]

"hugging trees at all times" isn't really the same thing as avoiding deep water. Also if scraping off utahs was dependent on speed, it would already be ages better, so you actually need to run up to them instead of just gently pushing utahs aside whenever they pounce.

[urban flax]

The problem isn't "why did they make mud pools ?" It's more "why did they put only one on the entire map ?"
Or maybe there's 2 ? idk I've never seen one in-game after the removal of oasis anyway

[queen swift]

theres like 5 but the rest are in really inconvenient spots diet wise.

it would be better if they put them back as river banks since denios rarely get to see any action. it would attract players to play by the riverbanks more often

[cyan flame]

It should be based on speed, or well, just running really, should be good enough. That makes sense to me at least. And eh, I don't know, I see them as very similar in that it's a given kind of envrionment or circumstance that's just how you should be doing it. But I always saw trees or rocks as a "I'm pounced, there's three more utahs, I'm getting out of here, and taking this one on me off on the way" as opposed to buck being because you're standing and fighting. But I also dislike and disagree with being able to move while bucking, especially running.

You're throwing your entire body around to shake things off, and running at the same time. I don't know about that.

[urban flax]

Not really a fan of riverbanks being mud either
It kinda looks ugly and not all rivers are like that
In fact, pretty few are

[cyan flame]

There's.. 4 or 5 I believe.

I know of .. three. The one at swamp, the one at NW, and then the one at a nesting ground (that I also got tricked by and thought was water at first!)

[lapis swallow]

Oasis?

[cyan flame]

Oh yeah, didn't think of that one due to it being former oasis. I was thinking of all the small ones they put here and there. But that one does count of course!

[queen swift]

don't need to be all of a river, just some parts, it helps with dispersion of players I think and makes playing the terrain more accessible it does not make sense that a riverbank or a cave wouldnt have mud

[urban flax]

Depends on the mud and how deep it is
But yeah some spots of mud to wallow in along riverbanks would be nice and make sense
Just not along the edge of the entire river

[queen swift]

I just dont like how they did a half ass attempt to fixing utah, like they made bleed so stong and bite so weak that people will use the buggy ass pounce more, just fix the pounce so players use it more, not buff it and hope people are fine with it. its literally 50/50 if the pounce actually lands and if it dont you die.

[urban flax]

They fixed it tho
It lands now

[queen swift]

it lands, but if you jump at someones face it teleports you to their side, i wouldnt call that fixed

[urban flax]

That's cuz they haven't reimplemented unpouncable zones yet
I hope they will put them back soon enough

[queen swift]

I hope they do, it would be very nice, also a pounce to the tail should be easy to buck off, almost instant. forces them to aim their pounce better

[nova anchor]

If ammo is made unbelievably scarce it should deter things such as what you describe. It’s an incentive to conserve your ammo until it’ll save your life

[queen ember]

Ig, I’m just saying this knowing how Isle players would use it

Eventually players find patterns and unless it’s complete rng what loot you get at places they’ll know where to find the best loot and players will use that to their advantage

[urban flax]

If it's common knowledge what are the best loot places, there's always gonna be someone to guard them

[queen ember]

Either that or groups will go and collect stuff to troll players

[nova anchor]

Additionally I don’t see much use for sniper rifles in game. And also, anything utah sized or above shouldn’t be one shot by a handheld weapon

[queen ember]

True I doubt we will have snipers. I’m fine if guns are powerful as long as things like mid tiers and above take more than one merc with a gun to kill

Dinosaurs can be large targets and probably easier to hit if they are in the open

[nova anchor]

Also maybe something like what a lot of shooters do when you get shot, some vague red mark towards where the shot originated? Like just something to point out the general direction. Hard to describe what I’m imagining but a lot of shooters do it

Idk if it’d be necessary but if cross map gunshots become a problem that’d also help

[limber hull]

pretty sure snipers were outright deconfirmed

[nova anchor]

Good

[limber hull]

(good)

personally believe the strongest damage weapon in the game should be a shotgun

because to use it, you have to be in shotgun range

[nova anchor]

I think with that, scarce ammo, and no aim assistance there will be very few times where you lose your dino to a crossmap gunshot

[nova anchor]

db shotgun buckshot probably

But that’s like point blank range to get the most out of it

[limber hull]

yea

[icy lion]

@thick widget Hold G

[barren zephyr]

Hold and press are the modifiers

[thick widget]

it doesnt work if I am an adult Utah trying to take a chunk of the boar vs carrying it.

[runic steppe]

Holding G picks up the whole corpse if the weight of the corpse permits it tapping g will take a meat chunk no matter what

[thick widget]

Huh ill have to try that thanks 😄

[runic steppe]

np

[uneven mist]

@civic hull flesh grazing is kinda confirmed, it was shown in herrera’s consept

[civic hull]

Oh

Idk I still think it shud be implemented with sauropods and allo with it cuz of the substantial evidence of it.

[uneven mist]

Allo is “confirmed” to have a grapple and we haven’t heard of it getting a flesh graze

[civic hull]

I mean why can’t it have both. I think it shud be something all carnis have

This may be my path of titans instinct talking tho lol

[uneven mist]

Idk about all carnis, some I feel should like acro, giga, allo(mabye) and Herrera. Animals that have long and sharp teeth

Because it makes sense for those animals to do it instead of a rex or Alberto for example

[civic hull]

Ye. There is also scientific evidence of it too. Animals like Rex tho definitely shouldn’t cuz like... it’d be op and unrealistic lol

[merry blaze]

Why do pachys eat so slow?

[calm granite]

right?!

like almost on par with utah

[inland apex]

Feel like all the allosauroids should get a passive flesh grazing ability along with their own unique ability. Something like click and hold your bite to tear a chunk off your prey so it doesn't get in the way of other keybinds.

[ashen wasp]

that isn't a passive ability-- also, i could easily see that being one specific large carnivore's ability, along with Herrera as shown in its concept

[inland apex]

well yes but it doesn't really seem like an ability to make the dinosaur unique unless it also has another affect then I guess it makes sense but really any carnivore like allo or giga seem naturally able to do it while still having room for more abilities, take rex with the pin attack that i believe has been confirmed though im not 100% certain but atleast talked about anyway while also having a headbutt as shown in the concept

[keen lance]

Parship for evrima ye?!?!

[icy lion]

What?

[mossy folio]

if they release Trex will it have the JP calls?

[ashen wasp]

it's likely for its vocals to remain similar to what they were in Legacy, as with all the returning playables in Evrima so far

[mossy folio]

oh guess i didnt play rex in legacy, what happened

[candid fiber]

@onyx scaffold Mud pools are rare, don't even show up on scent and are, honestly, bad locations for wallowing.

Why?
You either want to wallow to hide your scent, in which case you don't want to go to a very specific place that is usually rather open and easy to overlook.
Or you want to wallow to stop bleeding, in which case you don't want to travel to a very specific place that also puts you in a vulnerable position.

The worst thing is how mud prevents you from using almost any attack other than the primary bite and slows you down, which makes most animals in mud sitting ducks that can't even fight back.

At this point mud pools are basically just semi-safe spots for Carnos, because they get weakened the least by them.

If they were more common or showed up on scent while also not preventing you from using most of your attacks, they would be decent places for big animals to go and stop bleeding wound.
If the mud effect would last significantly longer they would also be useful for scent hiding, but as it stands going there and wallowing is not worth it.

That being said everything just being able to wallow anywhere on river banks is probably too much in the other direction. Personally I think small animals should be able to use banks, but large ones should use mud pools (with the fixes above).

[onyx scaffold]

thats a good idea to be fair

but unfortunatly i doubt they will listen to it

[umbral jolt]

do you people reckon if they add plants that move from wind and being walked through it would break the game?
I mean in terms of being able to sneak through bushes and the overall performance of the game

[candid fiber]

I think it would mostly be critical in terms of performance and being another moving part that can create bugs.

In terms of stealth an nuanced version could be a good thing, because it breaks up the binary seen/not seen when hiding in plant coverage. This could end up making gameplay in dense vegetation much better. If done right.

[urban flax]

It's all being worked on

[umbral jolt]

oh cool

I wasn't aware of that

[umbral jolt]

I agree with you fully

[calm granite]

#general-feedback message hell no

the fps is already absolutely terrible

[umbral jolt]

maybe if they optimise it and other things better it will work out

[agile lark]

I think optimization just needs to be worked on. If other games can be run on epic with a ton of effects, then this one should be able to as well. Such as weather effects, grass moving, etc. There is no reason FPS should tank because of this if you have a high end cpu and gpu. I am not a dev, so I don't know what this would take. But this game would be incredible if it simply just ran at a consistent fps and performance.

[cobalt ibex]

I think Dondi hinted at something like that o:

[umbral jolt]

thts exciting

[cobalt ibex]

I mean, I won't lie, I didn't get what he meant 100% >.< but you can read it for yourself:
#isle-discussion message

[umbral jolt]

thank you

[cobalt ibex]

He was basically saying how it will be hard to hide in bushes/large grass when they'll move and so on

(at least that's how I understood it)

[umbral jolt]

you are 100% correct

[lapis swallow]

@shut swan the bary is one of the next few playables that are gonna be added, we should see it coming next year

[shut swan]

yayy:)

[onyx scaffold]

nice to see a fellow bary fan

[shut swan]

its my brothers fav too 🙂

[uneven mist]

@civic hull sorry but it would not help with the balance at all and it would ruin it and if they need to add allo then they also need to add animals in that size range to it could hunt. If it was in the current roster then It wouldn’t be able to hunt anything exept stegos and the animals in the roadmap are the ones that wil get added first

[lapis swallow]

@barren zephyr it would be enough to make the carnos hunger last longer the rest is fine

[molten flame]

Deinos shadow needs to be fixed

[civic hull]

I mean u need something to bully cerato. Also dryosaurus exists and there is no reason allo shouldn’t come with the first big sauropod as it is literally what allosaurus was evolved to do: kill anything from dryosaurus to diplodocus

[uneven mist]

Carno I see wil be able to bully a cera if it ambushes it and also our first sauropod is magy and I don’t see it hunting that thing plus’s no one plays dryo anymore so it would be really hard to sustain and grow as a allo in this current roster

[civic hull]

Why don’t u see allo hunting magy lol. Also it could hunt tenonto and pachy as well.

[uneven mist]

Magy is said to taste bad and a few predators would hunt and kill it for food

[civic hull]

And I meant when large sauropods like apato get added

[civic hull]

Just bc something tastes bad doesn’t mean it can’t be eaten. Also that’s a stupid design choice by the devs XD

[uneven mist]

Pachy mabye but I see teno being too fast for it also if you add allo now then the carno problem we had or deino/stego problem we have would have servers only playing allo and nothing else bc it’s the biggest land carni

[uneven mist]

It is said that the bad taste is just a gimic and the cherry on top for magy’s abilities

[civic hull]

I never said we should add it now, but I do think it should be added in update 7 or 8. And also if the devs actually balance their game and give allo drawbacks then I don’t think there will be allo only servers. And I highly doubt allosaurus couldn’t catch a tenonto lol seeing how easily a carno can run it down. Plus something has to be the biggest carni.

Also the big carnis problem would only be worse if they add Rex before allo which is what looks like the case

[uneven mist]

If they really would add allo in u7 or 8 then they also need to add other mid tiers to balance out allo. The reason carno is able to catch up to teno is because it’s the fastest land carnivore. Yes that’s true that there wil always be the biggest carni but you need to balance that out with how hard it is to grow so that not everyone plays it

[uneven mist]

Not true, they won’t add rex before allo because they wil go from smal’s to medium Dino’s to big Dino’s

[civic hull]

And I have no doubt they will add mid tiers to balance out for allo. Also I know carno is the fastest large theropod, but allosaurus isn’t slow either. And carno catches up to teno quite easily, so I think it would be a much longer chase for allo, but it would still outrun it. And don’t bring up the 21mph bs for allo cuz that study is outdated and there are many problems with it.

And I said it looks likely they add Rex first cuz we haven’t seen anything for allo in like 2 years.

And we just got Rex concept art

[lapis swallow]

We got homacephale concept art for a while too

[lapis swallow]

I think carno is the fastest of them all

[civic hull]

It is

But allo is fast too

[lapis swallow]

Maybe in the high 30 kmhs

[uneven mist]

Just because rex got it’s consept art first does not mean it wil come out before allo

[lapis swallow]

Nothing that can catch up to a teno, when its near water

[civic hull]

Probs in the mid 40s

[lapis swallow]

Mid 40s???? These are utah levels of speed

That would be fucking op

[civic hull]

In reality Utah raptor wasn’t actually built for speed

It was half a ton irl

[lapis swallow]

This isnt a utah that we have here

[civic hull]

Dromaeosaurs in general aren’t built for speed

[lapis swallow]

I am refering to our utah, the jp utah

[lapis swallow]

Does it matter?

Allos wont be that fast

[civic hull]

I mean a small dromaeosaur is definitely fast, but upsize that bodyplan and its slow

[lapis swallow]

Does it matter in this conversation?

[civic hull]

I reckon it might be mid to low 40s, but only in short bursts

[uneven mist]

Alberto was also faster than allo irl btw so if allo was 40 then Alberto would be hella fast

[candid fiber]

Wasn't the Austroraptor branch build for speed?

[civic hull]

I believe so

[lapis swallow]

Allos are gonna be bleeders, endurance based hunters. They need to have good stam to outstam their prey

[lapis swallow]

50 kmh al lol

[uneven mist]

||tbh I see Alberto as the endurance hunter instead of allo but that’s just me||

[civic hull]

They will make allo a bit slower than what I imagine they shud because they use the SUPER outdated 2.6 tonne estimate lol irl allo was not even 1.5 tonnes. Carno was actually heavier at 2 tons

[lapis swallow]

Bleeders tend to be endurance hunters, so alberto wont be one, I guess because it works as the allos counterpart imo

[civic hull]

Also albertosaurus could run like a little more than 19mph

[uneven mist]

…allo is heavier and the largest “allo” specimens was around 4 tons but they are still debating if it is a allo or another species

[uneven mist]

…Alberto was build for speed and was faster than allo.

[civic hull]

It was sayrophaganax wilhich is an allosaurid, but not allosaurus fragilis. Allosaurus in average was about 7-8 meters long and about 2.5 meters tall. Also where the hell did you get ur Alberto speeds

Or r u an Alberto fanboy

[uneven mist]

Where the hell did you get that Alberto ran 19kmh

[civic hull]

I said mph

[lapis swallow]

Mph

[uneven mist]

then my bad

[civic hull]

Lol it’s all gud

[lapis swallow]

Allo still wont run in the mid 40s

Not even in the low 40s

[civic hull]

Why not?

It’s ambush is that in legacy

[lapis swallow]

Balance

[lapis swallow]

Legacy is a different game

[civic hull]

I mean they could balance it with giving allo bad stam

[lapis swallow]

And the ambush is what? 3 seconds long

[civic hull]

Make it a good walker an only running in short bursts. And the ambush is 11 seconds

I believe

[lapis swallow]

Imagine utah with better speed and bad stam. That does not work out. Bleeders need to have good stam and the allo will be a bleeder

[civic hull]

How do u know it will be a bleeder

[lapis swallow]

Its teeth were made to bleed their prey out and cut off flesh chunks

I saw those teeth in a museum too, they look like knifes

[civic hull]

Tearing out flesh chunks yes, bleeding out is a yes for any dinosaur

[civic hull]

So do all dinosaur teeth

[lapis swallow]

I had a trex skull near it and I could compare them. The rexs teeth where kinda round and pound while the allo teeth looked like knifes

[civic hull]

Carnivores anyway

[lapis swallow]

And it hunted sauropods and stuff, no way it killed them cause it broke their bones n stuff

[civic hull]

Ye I know allo had a weak bite. It would do something gn called flesh grazing

And when it hunted smaller animals like dryosaurus and camptosaurus it would grapple onto it with its claws and pin it down and whatnot

[lapis swallow]

I just think bleeder suits it best

[civic hull]

It can be a fast ambush predator and a pursuit predator. Just make it walk faster than sauropods, and sprint faster than a dryosaurus and ur good as long as it’s stam is mediocre.

It can be a bleeder along with all those things

[lapis swallow]

That sounds hella op, one of those two things. What is the allos speed normally again?

[civic hull]

Like an average is like low to mid 40s with some above average individuals maybe hitting 50.

But that’s because irl it was 1.4 tonnes in average whereas in this game it’s like closer to 3 tonnes

[lapis swallow]

In legacy, its normal running speed, also source

I looked the legacy running speed up and 34.2 kmh sounds fine to me

[civic hull]

My source is me after looking over the study from 2007 that says 21 mph and then looking at new studies that show the importance of the tail muscles in theropod locomotion. Even the upper estimate in the 2007 study puts it at approximately 40kph. That study used 2d models with the tail only serving as a counterbalance, while in real life the tail had the caudofemoralis longus muscle, which is the primary femoral retractor(it pulls the femur back putting power into the stride) also 21 mph is about 33.8kph. Anyway i rest my case. See sellers et. Al 2007 for the study I’m talking about as well as hirt et. Al 2017 for a relative continuation of it

Also as a side note, nature isn’t balanced, it just is.

[civic hull]

^

[civic hull]

Also in sellers et. Al 2007 they literally say their models are simplistic and underestimate top speed

[heavy spade]

But the isle isn't nature it is a game in that humans pretend to be multiple tons heavy killer machines, and as a game we need balance to keep the fun up, Imagine the reaction from the Utah mains when they want to play as a raptor because they think raptors are fast and then ingame they are a half ton heavy fat birds hunted by a (maybe feathered) 50kph allo

[civic hull]

I mean as an allo fanboy I would love to be a partially feathered accurate allo running down Utahs at 50kph lol. But you do raise a good point people get mad when they don’t get what they think they know/want

Idk allo is pretty fast that’s what I wanna get across

[heavy spade]

Yeah I'm also a allo fan boy but it's hard to let people change their mind about a creature, ARK showed everybody that a allo is a smaller Rex with bleeding and better health regen, In the isle its now the same, so when allo gets changed the player that liked allo as the mini Rex will get mad

[runic steppe]

@drifting rose there are a couple unofficial servers that are treated as a test map. Taco island is one. They allow anyone to be an admin and you can test things with your friends

[civic hull]

Idk I don’t like it when people just compare every theropod to T. rex . As if allo was “a mini Rex” is just downright disrespectful to both dinos lol they both are adapted for completely different prey and environments and lifestyles.

[heavy spade]

I know what you mean but I played on servers, on them a lot of people compared every Dino to Rex and they said that they like allo cause it is their mini Rex.

I also think that the allo play style is more comparable to the of gigas: both a hunting big theropots and both are bleeder.

And I'm going to kill (ingame) every one that says mini trike to velonasaur!!!

[civic hull]

I agree

[left storm]

@urban bear my god, THANK YOU

[urban bear]

[lyric kraken]

is nesting bugged?

[mint oar]

No

[lyric kraken]

Hmm. I pair, put the nest marker down then it vanishes and I unpair randomly

[mint oar]

Odd

[icy lion]

Are you both playing the animation until it stops? It should play twice for each of you

[lyric kraken]

animation isnt working for the male

[icy lion]

If you are experiencing issues with your controls since the latest update (can't move camera, unable to court, etc) then please try wiping your config files in localappdata.

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Press the Windows key
3. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
4. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
5. Open the "Saved" folder.
6. Delete the "Config" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
7. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

[lyric kraken]

Thank you so much. We tried re-installing but it did nothing. Just tried what you suggested and its now fixed.

[steady bough]

@icy fiber maybe you should try different servers, especially ruled community servers where you are not allowed to kill people in your group?

[bitter jay]

So uh, Pteranodon with airplane controls

[urban flax]

It's not an airplane

Flying animals don't fly like airplanes at all
They don't need to roll, they have mobile wings

[icy fiber]

I'll definitely give them a shot because I do want to enjoy the game, it has a lot of cool things going for it. But turning to a community server to fix, what is for me a core issue I have with the game, is a bandaid fix at best. Anyone who has experience with community servers is probably fully aware of what kinds of issues those servers can have

[bitter jay]

Have you ever seen an animal fly sir

They don’t need to roll, but they functionally can midair if they so wish

[urban flax]

And ? When you write "airplane controls" for ptera, to me it implies they will control like airplanes in games like War Thunder or flight simulator
Which isn't animal-like at all

Ptera controls would need an overhaul, but it definitely shouldn't be controlled like a plane

[bitter jay]

It’s the closest to it that I could say that would be comprehensible, dude. You should just be able to take a look at ptera when it flies to see that yeah, that shit looks fake af. It should be able to at least roll its axis, but it can’t. Pressing a, s, or d makes it take a radically drastic turn like it were on land, looking absolutely ridiculous. It can’t attack upwards at all because in its current state it would have to flip itself (which it can’t) or gain altitude higher than its attacker. It needs similar controls to a plane, but yes it shouldn’t be controlled like a plane. It needs to actually fly, to be a functioning life like flyer.

Being able to roll its axis will make it even more viable and fun to play than it is at the moment. It will give you monumental levels of control over maneuvering, allowing for ever more precise flying.

We have pitch. We have a disgusting yaw. We need roll.

Hell, just moving with the mouse is a good yaw and pitch, they should just make at least the a and d into a roll

[lapis swallow]

@balmy drift that mechanic will be abused for mixpacking

[heavy spade]

@balmy drift that mechanic would be really nice,good idea

[lapis swallow]

Every player with two braincells will know that its a trap, the only reason why people would use it is to mixpack

[balmy drift]

true, why so harsh tho.

[lapis swallow]

@heavy spade i like local chat because it adds up to the immersion and you are not able to just say curse at players who just killed you. On top of that will that create even worse mixpacks which we do not need right now

[lapis swallow]

I am not harsh, I am just telling you the facts

[balmy drift]

just comes off as harsh with the 2 braincells thing

[jagged jewel]

Does it? It’s not directed towards anyone lmao

[fierce raft]

I agree it would work for 5 minutes then everyone would know.

[heavy spade]

I understand the part with the immersion but it doesn't change anything about mixpacking because friends chilling together in Discord can now easily hunt the now group less player cause they are forced to play alone cause no one lets them in their group, I died so many times as an Utah cause the other player thought my second call means that I'm mad to them or so

And the system that you can only call to members of your species is dumb cause you can't tell people from different species for example that there is a Deino in the water and that they have to watch out, that happened to me (thx for the carno player that tried to warn me)

[balmy drift]

ye im sorry, im probably just a snowflake

[urban flax]

You're not supposed to be able to really communicate with other species anyway
And there literally is a danger call in the game

[heavy spade]

I know but damn the isle is turning into a simulation and when you are not able to talk to othe species then you are not able to fight against the bick mix packs of friend hanging together in a DC call and are proud when they kill a
Juvi carno with 5 Utahs 2 peteranodons 1 stego and 3 adult carnos

[urban flax]

So your argument for enabling a tool that would heavily ease mixpacking is to fight mixpacking ?

[drifting rose]

yes ik that there are servers that perform like that but there should be a actual dedicated test server for evrima

[steady bough]

They should at least give it as an option to unofficial servers, or at least have a group chat because if you're fighting another group of the same species you can't strategize without the others knowing. Then also a option for all herbs to be able to group with each other.

[barren zephyr]

Please give us an autowalk so we do not get carpel tunnel.

[somber mesa]

THIS ^ its such a basic but quality of life feature, they should really add it

theres no reason (that i can see) not to

[queen ember]

We already have a auto run

So yeah add a auto walk

[potent arrow]

@opal mirage I think you're misunderstanding something. Right now some of the team is working on 5.5 and some are working on 6 because the people who are working on 6 completed all of their tasks for 5.5. It's not like they are working on other updates when the work for another update isn't done. This workflow isn't something only big companies do. By working like this it makes sure progress continues even if the whole team isn't done with an update

For instance lets say the devs are working on an update, and the animators finished every animation needed for the update. Why should they come to a standstill just because all of the other aspects of the update aren't complete.

Or, what if the programmers, animators and artists, finished everything for an update and only thing that needed completing was audio. Wouldn't it make more sense to have everyone who completed all of the work for that update move on and work on the next update?

[opal mirage]

Oh it seems I have indeed misunderstood. My fault my friend! I'll find another way to be more efficient...

It does say update 7 is in development right now tho... Bit early ey?

[potent arrow]

It's been labeled as "In Development" for a long time. I'm pretty sure that because it's just the elder models that need to be made. So even after update 7 comes out, elder will technically remain as "in development" until the entire dino roster is ingame.

[opal mirage]

Understood. But hiring could be a very effective way no?

[potent arrow]

Yeah, the devs are hiring, but sadly I don't think we've had any news about them hiring anyone new yet.

[lapis swallow]

Is there a way to disable it cause its annoying as heck

[queen ember]

Uhhh idk

All it is is to lightly tap run button so idk

[dire ridge]

People need to chill out with the cannibal stuff. Im not saying its perfect but damn, most of the time it is just people complaining because they got killed

[bitter jay]

@ruby sierra Sorry brah, rivers don’t work like how you drew it. It’s okay though, point still stands.

[dire ridge]

For instance, i don't mind the cannibalism for deino, the "real" problem is the rivers, to barren, to smal. It is just a death corridor, and that's a shame

[ruby sierra]

wdym I just drew lines on paint in 30s?

[bitter jay]

Ye I know, just rivers don’t split like that naturally. The way it splits at the swamp is completely unnatural and would really only happen if human intervention is made. IE artificial river

Though, the rest is fine

[ruby sierra]

taken into account it's a game I don't think most people mind if the rivers aren't 100% realistic as long as water doesn't stream up a hill or something

[bitter jay]

Immersion immediately broken when unrealistic river

Must be lifelike otherwise shit game

[ruby sierra]

are you a biologist or something bc an average joe wouldn't even notice something like that

[bitter jay]

Worse, a worldbuilder/archaeologist/geographer/biologist

[barren zephyr]

Based

[visual iris]

Hi all. First of all I wanna say I really love the game and I see it has huge potential. I recently learnt that there are plans to add playable humans to the game and it got me fantasizing about what that might be like. I imagined a game (don't hate me for this) similar to tarkov. Where the humans goal is to enter the isle to complete tasks. Things like repairing technology used to monitor the dinos. Actually tracking and hunting the dinos for research. Maybe tranquilizing them and placing trackers in them. Before I get carried away has there been any kind of info as to what role the humans will play in the overall game?

[bitter heart]

@gritty terrace Easier to go to unreal engine 5 now instead of converting and fixing everything later. They will also be able to make more progress with unreal engine 5 cool tools and stuff.

[gritty terrace]

I want at least another few things in the roster before we have another update that takes over 6 months to get

[bitter heart]

I think the nightvision will come very very soon

So thats a plus

[gritty terrace]

that is fair

I just hope something is added roster wise

[bitter heart]

Yeah we all do lol

[wary terrace]

its been a time since I played on legacy and not evrima, and all my keybind donts work, its juste the movement and scent. Like no chat, attacks, night vision, no escape menu, no profile statut.... I'm kinda lost can someone explain to me ?

[uneven mist]

well i dont know how to fix it but im pretty shure the fix is in pins here #🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧

[analog ingot]

Would be cool if some are better at balancing on rocks/steep ground than others.

In games usually if one thing can stand there, no matter feet design, so can others. 😔

[wary terrace]

ye thx

wow my answer is a little bit late its 6h30 AM

[limber hull]

@maiden anvil isnt it already designed to be a small game hunter lmao

[bitter jay]

So true

[maiden anvil]

Most likely yes. Just wanted to actually bring up an argument to support it even more

[balmy drift]

@pulsar lantern about the reply u made, that makes total sense because troodon is supposed to be a smart animal, so it woulf make sense

[umbral jolt]

#general-feedback message

I resonated with this statement. I kinda felt like the aesthetics in evrima had deteriorated too, but I'm wondering if it genuinely has changed for what ever reason, or if it's just kind of a psychological thing now that we've become desensitised to the upgrade in graphics between legacy and evrima. I would like to know others thoughts on this

[lapis swallow]

@unique canyon i think the lighting will get a lot better with u5.5 since its the lighting/daycycle/nightvision update

[gritty terrace]

^

I genuenly think the graphics are fucking because they made the lighting for night vision but night vision has not been implemented yet so we are just in this weird transition when it comes to lighting

[umbral jolt]

yeah that would male sense

[teal parrot]

@balmy drift because a lot of people think challenging and hard mean the same thing. So when such people plan games, they think they need to add mechanics to make the game hard, and they lack creative inspiration to make it systemically challenging instead. Challenging is fun, but Hard, like having to drink every 10-15 mins, and immediately leaking HP when ur stomach gets empty, that stuff is just the attempt of non creative minds to make something hard. Which makes it annoying instead. But many ppl don’t know the difference between annoying, frustrating, challenging, and hard. They think it’s all the same. And they think it’s all fun.

[opal mirage]

@maiden anvil I agree it should hunt smaller creatures better and get more food and nutrients from them. But nobody plays the smaller creatures very much (I assume you mean dryo. hypsi, ect.) But Carnotaurus was also very capable of hunting large creatures, even smaller sauropods which obviously wont happen in The Isle. But my point stands it should be a hybrid of both. Currently the only issue with Carnotaurus is lack of small prey to eat, and like 25 minutes of hunger. It’s asinine. But yeah I agree that small prey should be one of its primary hunting options.

[modern prism]

Why is global chat disliked?

[urban flax]

Because it serves no purpose and encourages mixpacking

[modern prism]

People still mixpack

Does nothing to change that

[urban flax]

They would do it even more easily with global chat

[modern prism]

So possible misplacing is the reason it was removed? Thats lame

[uneven mist]

And global brings care bearing and makes it a chat room instead of what it is supposed to be

[modern prism]

what is care bearing and what is it supposed to be? Wouldn't it be better to let server owners decide instead of putting a flat out removal on it. I understand people don't like it but a large majority enjoy it

I just think giving the community options instead of flat our denial of it would be more productive. Let people play on the server that suit them instead of force it you know

[agile lark]

@deep blade I agree. Another reason though that you don’t see Dino’s nesting is because resources drain too fast for that.

Carnivores rarely nest due to the hunger drain, and same for some herbies too. Perhaps it would be a cool idea to add that when a nest is down and your dino is close to their nest - resources drain slower.

[deep blade]

yeah sth like that, doest matter too much. Obviously buffs are not the most natural thing either, but at least they encourage sth which is under the most important in nature. Nesting is probably not too beneficial due to it being a survival game, unless it gives benefits.

And being nested by parents with good diet is for sure better than spawing in being alone.

[umbral jolt]

I personally don't like it because it can get very toxic. For example, when a Trike or some other herbie is body guarding for what ever reason, be it out of spite or fun, it can make carnies frustrated. The global chat gives a means for both players to interact and argue with each other. Having the means to argue with one another drags out the conflict. Not being able to verbally taunt and insult each other makes an instigation get boring very quickly, and soon, either the carnies will go away and wait for the herbies to leave, or the herbies will get bored and leave.

that's my take at least

[zealous violet]

Honestly, there really isnt very much toxicity in general, like maybe 20% on a bad day. But the thing is, our brains are designed to focus more attention and memory no negative situations. Thats why you still remember an embarrassing thing from when you were a kid but struggle to recall a positive situation form the same time as quickly. Thus, the toxicity, no matter how small is going to be more prevalent in your mind.
This is also server dependent, of course.

[bitter heart]

20% is still much but I think it's better that way just look at rust. The game is just filled with toxic players. Giving the toxic players the ability to communicate with their enemies is like giving a psychopath a weapon. They will both use it when they feel like it. The toxic players will give the game a reputation and also make new players feel like the game is not worth playing just because of all the toxic players.

[latent helm]

Make Pt can hunt eggs

So he can steal like a stego egg

And if you get eggs rlly good diet

[zealous violet]

Agreed, 20% is perhaps a bit too more. But thats just the thing, just because theres a small level of discomfort doesnt mean we need to take it away completely. Just because one kid falls and breaks their ankle on the playground doesnt mean we need to get rid of or baby-proof every playground we find.
Should be perhaps make some alterations so that a kid falling and breaking their ankle on the playground equipment is less likely to happen again? Absolutely.
Just like with global chat, should we completely take away every single players ability to communicate with the rest of the player force just because theres a few toxic players? No. but we should have some type of alternative in order to not completely punish those players who were being decent and non-toxic.
Starting with same-species was a great start. Now we need some type of communication for mates- such as a specific mating call, and then we need something to cover nesting and eggs in-game to allow people to find and offer eggs In-game and human communication aside, that pretty much covers communication for dinos, I think.

[modern prism]

Exactly makes it boring without the conflict. I would just prefer it be up to server owners. If you prefer no global chat good on you. To each there own. Let the people decide is all I'm saying and regarding it help negate mix packing its the total opposite. "No Global" allows cheater to get away with far more. There no way to quickly and effectively let an admin know. Just the other day I couldn't let anyone know about a hacker in a server. Pros and Cons definitely but in the grand scheme it's pointless to not let individual servers be allowed to decide for themselves

[modern prism]

Also I respect your view on it

[zealous violet]

Thats just a band-aide to the root issue though. I was once in a stego Vs carno battle that lasted over two hours because one stego died and the other body guarded. The felled player continued to come back as a stego juvie which was in part to what continued the interaction. This was in Evrima long after global had left the game.
There needs to be other things implemented to stop these type of interactions as global chat was not the end all be all of toxic players.
As much as the devs dont want to place things such as aversion for herbies to a dead body because it forces the game to have rules when they so desperately seem to want zero rules, sometimes you gotta do the thing you dont want because it helps out everyone.

[umbral jolt]

thank you, I agree with you that it should definitely be up to the server owners instead of removed entirely

[modern prism]

Right! Like I completely understand the official servers having it removed. Even on legacy the official servers didn't have global. I really prefer no rule servers with no mix packing those are my favorites. Just straight fights but anyways thank you for the good conversation

[umbral jolt]

thank you

[modern prism]

Also does no one miss saying good fight in Global after having a ln awesome engagement? Win or Lose.

[zealous violet]

It should be an option for server owners. Let the devs do whatever they want with their servers and the players will go where they want.

[modern prism]

Yes!

[mystic acorn]

ehhh thats cool but that isnt what makes me want global chat back

i think global chat just made it easier to get admins here to expose hackers

[limber hull]

not at all

[modern prism]

It definitely does.

[limber hull]

i recall global chat being used to mock and be very passive aggressive after every fight

[modern prism]

Hey to each their own.

[tight oxide]

Just 2 call if you win

[limber hull]

it was absolute garbage

completely toxic hellscape where admins exploited their power and people used to be the biggest jackass over a dinosaur game

its removal is a blessing to us all

[modern prism]

2 call? That doesn't do anything

I disagree but again if u play official servers by all means keep global off. As for private servers let us enjoy it

[mystic acorn]

this. global chat was kinda useful but it could be very toxic

[modern prism]

I'm not denying global being toxic at all it definitely can be. If it's that big of an issue just play official servers

They have never had global chat even in legacy

[limber hull]

i remember minding my own business as a cera group with friends, then this sweaty dilo group rocks up over a body (we had no idea how the rules worked but we had a body), they killed us for the body and then somehow managed to get away with saying "you cant kill us body down gg ceras better luck next time" but in the most toxic way ever

[modern prism]

That doesn't seem like global chat was the issue more like rulebreaking dilos being toxic

[limber hull]

but the thing is

they CONSTANTLY berated us

[modern prism]

Eben if global was off they would have still rulebroke

[limber hull]

they were frequents on the server

[limber hull]

and they were completely unpunished

because the admins favoured their frequent users

so fuck legacy and fuck global

[modern prism]

Yeah seems like a chaotic server wouldn't play on that one if they obviously broke the rules that sucks

[mystic acorn]

i still think taking global still useful enough for it not to completely go away. hackers are now a lot more common and barley punished bc we cant let people know

[limber hull]

i literally did not care about the rulebreak

[mystic acorn]

yes it does bring more room for toxicity but it still brings positives

[limber hull]

the issue was these jackass dilos berating my friend they killed in global in a very passive aggressive way

i have seen no positives to global that can't be solved in a way without it

[modern prism]

Go to local chat and ignore them or play on a different server don't stand for that stuff bro

[mystic acorn]

ok how can you expose and ban hackers and report them to admins?

i cant let them know

they are far away and different dinos

[limber hull]

discord?

[modern prism]

Definitely pros and cons but more pros imo

[limber hull]

def more cons

[modern prism]

Nah discord is worse

[limber hull]

you can literally ping the guys

[modern prism]

Having to join every discord to make sure u have to get an admin is broken and unrealistic

[limber hull]

global chat is broken and unrealistic

if you are playing on a rule server, and they put all their rules in a big fuckng list on their discord server (which every rules server i have ever been on does), you're already expected to be there

[mystic acorn]

but global is way more convenient

[modern prism]

Then play on a server without global? I'm mean u obviously hate global so why make the rest of us suffer. Thats toxic in of itself

[mystic acorn]

im fine with them taking away global

it was a toxic hell hole

but i feel like they need something in game to have a more convenient way for reports

[limber hull]

then add that

[modern prism]

My point is let the server owners decide instead of being completely removed. That's fair

[limber hull]

and not global

literally just add like an admin chat

[modern prism]

Don't play on global servers

[limber hull]

ez fix

[modern prism]

It's that simple

Exactly

Ez fix

[limber hull]

i mean

its not coming back until modding is in so

the only way to get it is to make it yourself

[modern prism]

People who don't like global atleast have the option to pick server that have it removed us that enjoy it don't have that option

[limber hull]

you're gonna have to wait for modding

[modern prism]

I don't think they will ever release modding.

[limber hull]

then you'll never get global

[modern prism]

Unless they said something about that

[icy lion]

Modding was mentioned to be planned

[limber hull]

because they've stated that the only way people are getting global is when modding support is in and they make it themselves

[modern prism]

Oh that's awesome 👏 then I guess there's hope

[icy lion]

And this

[mystic acorn]

thank you for the info. i really missed isles modding

[icy lion]

In reference to global

[mystic acorn]

👍

[icy lion]

#isle-discussion message

[modern prism]

Awesome! Tyvm

[zealous violet]

Im gonna giggle a little when modding gets placed in and the majority of players go to private servers where there will most likely be a global chat of some sort. But thats just a numbers game if anything.

[lapis swallow]

@bitter fjord what AI thing?

If you mean the lowered spawn rates, that intentional

[bitter fjord]

By lowered you mean you have die by a spawn to eat? Then they intentionally ruined their game.

[lapis swallow]

Uhmmm no, you just need to spawn at the right places of the map, like center (where there are almost always corpses lying around), nw (good AI spawns) or south (also good AI spawns). Also funny how I didnt starve this entire update just once, so they surely havent ruined their game

[bitter fjord]

Cool just because you didn’t struggle doesn’t mean a bunch of did. So maybe go somewhere else

[lapis swallow]

You just gotta know the AI spawns

[lapis swallow]

Nobody that knows the AI spawns has an issue

Its just the people that dont know where to spawn that find no food

[urban flax]

I thought the lowered AI rate was a bug and that it's being fixed
I heard it somewhere in another channel

[lapis swallow]

It was lowered to drastically so they buffed it a bit and now we have a good AI spawning system imo

[urban flax]

I'd prefer to see plentiful but hard to catch AI tbh

[lapis swallow]

The juvies need to have AI too to hunt and then we would need lil critters for them

[urban flax]

Maned wolves
100% juvie snack

[lapis swallow]

See who is promoting his suggestion lol

[urban flax]

It's not mine :P

[lapis swallow]

Isnt it?

But mane wolves would wreck fresh spawns

[urban flax]

Depends on the species
They're only 30/40 kg

It was lightclaw's suggestion iirc ?

[maiden anvil]

When talking about "smaller creatures", I meant anything below a ton in weight as I described

[timid steeple]

I don't think its needed in the game

[bitter heart]

I mean if there never was a playground then no kid will get their ankle broken. I think it's good as it is.

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr in U5.5 they could give it really good NV to make it have more nocturnal gameplay and give it a unique niche

[urban flax]

I have an idea to fix dryo gameplay
Make it AI only

[limber hull]

no

bad take

[urban flax]

no gameplay=no gameplay issues
You just refuse to see the truth

[icy fiber]

you dont have to die to survive as a carni, just spawn in the NE and go crab hunting.

[opal mirage]

Oh sorry guess I missed that! But yes I agree.

[zealous violet]

That creates kids who cant function for themselves and dont know what to do when getting hurt- But you do have a point.
Im not advocating for the full release of global chat back to all servers- I just want it as not only an option for private servers but that all servers have the basic means of communications which is same-species, mating and egg production.

[hard pendant]

''the'' truth or ''your'' truth?

[urban flax]

There is only one truth
And it is mine

[queen ember]

That’s just a one dimensional take that is poor

[hard pendant]

[queen ember]

@little bronze they are working on that rn

[bitter heart]

Yeah I can agree to give more freedom to private servers where they can have their own options.

[grave dagger]

@wary pike to fix that, just lunge at something else and it will be fixed, e.g a fish or another deinosuchus

[gritty terrace]

@grave dagger worst part is, they use to do that then they got rid of it from what I have heard

[grave dagger]

yeah, it sucks that it got removed, but hopefully they'll add it back

[gritty terrace]

genuinely I do not know why sea turtle is in the diet then

[bitter heart]

They should nerf food and water. It drains soo fastt.

[heady quarry]

@wary pike the feedback channels are not for bug reports, if you want to see a bug fixed you should submit a report in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[wary pike]

@frail dawn What creature

[frail dawn]

stego

[wary pike]

Hold N dont press it

[frail dawn]

Yeah i was

[zealous violet]

You gotta be nose-to-nose almost in order for it to work.

[main flower]

I have an idea for cerato. What if since it feeds on rotting flesh it has no preferred diet it’s entire life or maybe it just has no diet system at all?

[proud coral]

No diet would be bad since that means it gets a free ride through growth <:/

[queen ember]

I can see Cerato preferring most Of the body like bones and raw flesh

[tepid gate]

that would be a great thing

I don't think I'd play any other animal if they did that with Cerato

[proud coral]

Nothing should get a free ride though

Though it's hard to judge since we have no clue how new diets will work

[queen ember]

Everything should work to get rewarded

[limber hull]

we kinda do

organs and freshness play a large part

[proud coral]

Well yeah but there's also that slot thing and new effects

[limber hull]

slot... thing?

[proud coral]

Yeah Filipe mentioned it in the devblog

Slot combinations

[barren zephyr]

@icy lion good enough?

[icy lion]

gucci

[barren zephyr]

guys how can developers leave us like this?I mean, it's been almost a month since update 5 was released, and since the servers don't even display the correct number of players, it takes 15min just to connect, once in game, the light is disgusting, really nothing don't go, I don't understand how they can leave uslike this for 1 month!with a game like this!!! Intolerable

and on " Phase three request"
people who ask "giga concept, allo concept etc" it's SICK how they can believe that a giga or allo will happen when we are VERY FAR from that, why don't they ask for important and immediate things! !! I do not understand anything anymore

[limber hull]

they're asking for concepts, not the actual animal

people are aware that we aren't getting rex for a while but they still like its concept art because it gives us an idea of how it plays

they aren't asking for allo to be added, they just wanna see concept art for it so they can better understand its role in EVRIMA

[barren zephyr]

Ok i see

[proven river]

@quasi oyster Evrima is gonna use the same rex model

[tepid gate]

If work was actually interesting and engaging - sure but as it is - the game is a chore

I genuinely probably wouldn't play it if it wasn't for the fact that I figred out ways to get around diets.

or at least minimise their effect on my gameplay

[queen ember]

U6 is gonna expand on that greatly

With diet paths

[tepid gate]

I will remain skeptical but if it works well and actually makes the game interesting to play then that's lovely

I might even help fix the ways I use to get around diets then

I honestly cannot imagine growing carnivores the way it is intended right now

[queen ember]

For what I speculate, if you go into one specific diet you’ll be able to get a buff in a certain stat. But that’s just a theory from what we have heard

[tepid gate]

that sounds atrocious and broken

but we will see

[queen ember]

Not confirmed though so it’s still all in the air

Something was said about it in a devblog

[tepid gate]

Yea I shuddered when i read that

[queen ember]

The contrary is you won’t get the boosted growth from all three diets

If I were to guess

You can play more casual and get a boost in certain stats, or put in the work and get boosted growth which will be very handy with elders

[solemn bloom]

@barren zephyr calm down

[queen ember]

Bruuu

[jagged jewel]

@ripe mantle i don't see the actual changes in gameplay your idea would make

like i get that the subadult stage for deino is cool but

why?

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr try killing a stego as carno and you'll understand why it's not on its diet
On another note, no dino in The Isle is accurate to its irl counterpart. Carno is a small game hunter, and that's it.

[barren zephyr]

That doesnt matter, it would eat anything it would find..

[limber hull]

isle isnt real life

[urban flax]

Yes it does matter
Forget irl carno, Isle carno only looks like it
But it's not the same animal

[limber hull]

idk if anyone told you this but the isle is shockingly, not entirely accurate to real life

[barren zephyr]

I wish there was a 100% realistic dino mmo open world

Humans being added will probably lose some players

[limber hull]

we literally have stegos and rexes planned for the same ecosystem

any hope for a 100% realistic ecosystem is already gone

[urban flax]

Humans being added will bring thousands of new players

[limber hull]

also imagine being a newbie to the Isle and being told "hey you can roam around a massive island where you get to watch and interact with player controlled dinosaurs that are WAY smarter and scarier than any AI could hope to be"

dinosaur gameplay isnt for everyone

this is a whole new style of gameplay that appeals to a more conventional style of gameplay

humans will be HUGE for the game's popularity and individuality

once humans are in, you literally can't compare the Isle to competitors like BoB or PoT because those games are merely a dinosaur experience and lack the experience of being able to interact with this ecosystem as mankind

[barren zephyr]

Fuck you is all I said lmao

[zealous stone]

Depends if they can pull off the balance, and actually finish it

Sure having once essentially another game to the Isle would bring more players to the Isle if executed well.

But the problem with that is you are essentially, adding another game into the Isle

Usually, this ends in disaster, as games are typically best made with a focus in mind, resources are limited, and it adds a lot of complexity that complicates balancing.

Ensuring that every dinosaur in the Isle's roster is viable against every other dinosaur, while also having a distinct playstyle is already going to be enough of a task due to it's shear size. With the edition of humans, they'd then have to be made viable against them, as well as the humans being viable against the entire dinosaur roster. And before someone says that not everything is supposed to be able to fight everything else and win, yes I know that and that's not what I mean by viable, I mean able to survive reliably enough.

[urban bear]

@barren zephyr As much as Iove your idea I don't think it would be a very good one, first radar does not work like that and the jungle would mask any radar returns the human is getting maybe in tall grass it would be cool but overall I don't think giving humans a radar to detect dinosaurs through a thick jungle would work well because it would also lead to things like shooting through bushes to kill people you cant see

[barren zephyr]

@tiny agate did it ever occur to you that maybe utah isnt a solo dino?

[bleak birch]

@barren zephyr and adding on to that, maybe that could be part of a human mission. To find and tag baby Dinos that aren’t chipped. Would be fun and terrifying knowing the parents or older siblings could be near

[tiny agate]

Did it ever occur to you some like playing solo or can't always find groups?
There've been many times where grouping isn't an option. Either I can't find other members of my species or I just wanna play alone.

I'm fine with being killed if it's not by unfair/bs means. I literally had a carno clip its head through the rock I was on, while on the center of the rock away from the edges, and kill me. There was also the time where I went to hop over an edge, a small teeny tiny edge of a rock and it rocketed me backwards like I was a bouncy ball flung at a wall.

My post was out of frustration, if I wanted to be clipped & killed through things, I'd play Legacy. If I wanted jank mechanics, I'd play Legacy.

That's all I'm saying on this. Don't ping me again, please.

[barren zephyr]

okay lol

skill issue tbh

[honest sparrow]

That’s pretty solid feedback

[tepid gate]

most carnivorous dinosaurs would likely do just that

Those bad boys seemingly ate anything and everything

We have coprolites of Allosaurus suggesting that they ate bones

not just the bone marrow but bone itself

[summer fern]

@manic nimbus if you mean the error next to the nest location i believe you need a nest first (unless its bugged which in that case #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 or #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 )

[proven river]

@severe vigil I don't think that would suit mono as that is a crest like on dilo's head, not that strong. Quite fragile actually and 2x the HP of a Utah is a friggin lot, 1.2x-1.5x I think works but yeah that crest is very soft.

[proven river]

In what way does that apply to anything? My man's saying jumping should be fixed to allow climbing onto rocks to escape, how does that correlate in any way shape or form to Utah being a pack hunter ( which it is don't get me wrong)

[severe vigil]

i see thanks for advise

[barren zephyr]

if bro had some pack mates to help him he wouldn’t have to be jumpin on rocks

[proven river]

👍

[proven river]

Ok that's a shit response it's fucking situational, so just because a creature is meant to be in packs then all escape alternatives should be removed, do you hear how stupid that sounds

[barren zephyr]

plus @proven river i was more referring to the part where he says “this game has been a miserable experience as a solo player”

[proven river]

My bad bro

[barren zephyr]

all g. jumping does need a rework tho.

[proven river]

Ok yeah I was lashing out so I apologize, nah u right my dude

[barren zephyr]

lmao its all g

[burnt bone]

@zealous violet I'm pretty sure others of the same species already can feed other's babies. You just have to be in the same group I believe.

[cobalt ibex]

@manic nimbus to me that looks like you have the streamer mode enabled

[cobalt ibex]

And yeah! That's how it works

[gritty terrace]

@hollow vault how would they do that for phase 3?

or did you mean to put that in general feedback

[hollow vault]

I don’t really know

Generally don’t talk much so idk

[zealous violet]

Ahh okie doke. Wasnt too sure if that was in yet or not.

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr good suggestion very good i agree immensely

i wanna observe not kill

look at funny dinosaur through trail cam

[barren zephyr]

I mean I wanna do both, but observing might make me wanna kill less if I can just do other things. I'm hoping there is loads and loads of gameplay with humans that way the only way of entertainment isn't killing dinosaurs

[limber hull]

i honestly just want people who whine about being very bad at killing dinos to cope

[barren zephyr]

lol

[limber hull]

like play a rex

go grind for hypo if you wanna kill things that bad

dont play the horror class designed for fear and nothing else

[urban flax]

I want to kill dinos
But not with firearms (🤮)
I want to kill them with my mighty fireaxe or rusty crowbar all in melee range, like a real man
But maybe I should wait for tribals to do that

[last lily]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6valYTJcpCY

Let me do this to the dinosaurs: please.

||I don't actually care if they do it or not.||

[severe vigil]

what do you guys think would be good to make my idea better or is it a hopeless case?

[calm granite]

#general-feedback message that map looks amazin

why cant we have that instead of this one

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr while we may not agree on sniper rifles, your views on trail cams, control rooms and gun racks are extremely based

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-bow-michael-scott-steve-carell-office-gif-12985913

[limber hull]

also im glad we agree on merc fishing (it is essential)

[barren zephyr]

Also for the record when it comes to snipers I would only want those types of things to be a 1 in 1000 find, not a common thing at all

[limber hull]

i fully believe in mercenaries focusing more on preparation and survival

than just shoot and kill

[barren zephyr]

if you had one the entire server should be hunting you for its rarity

[barren zephyr]

More gameplay will be good

[limber hull]

yea

i personally think a sniper isn't necessary if you're given many gameplay options outside of shooty shooty

[urban flax]

Increasing the rarity of an unfair situation doesn't make it less unfair

[limber hull]

fishing, scavenging, repairing, maintaining, observing

[barren zephyr]

No, it just makes it less common

[urban flax]

So it feels even worse when it happens to you

[barren zephyr]

Also if we're talking about fair, can't wait to see the apexes donging on everyone like they should be (mid tiers and lower) and see how fair everyone likes it when they can't fight back at all lol

[limber hull]

(they CAN run)

at least they have that

[urban flax]

We already had this discussion
You can run away from a rex, not from a bullet

[barren zephyr]

anywho I'm not having this convo again, we can agree to disagree

[jagged jewel]

@severe vigil how would mono have more hp than utah if its smaller

[bleak birch]

@lapis owl on your feedback about Teno vs Carno:

I completely agree. Stealth predators are meant to get the advantage through surprise and harassment. If the Teno ends up with the upper hand, the Carno can always charge away and then watch the Teno for a while until it’s vulnerable again. I feel like too many people try to take the fight on head first and think that every encounter has to end with a victor. Ambush predators would commonly use hit and run tactics on prey they didn’t think they could take head on.

That’s how I play solo Utah. I’ll find a prey and watch it until it drinks or seems vulnerable. Then I’ll pounce and get a bite in and then run off to the bushes to watch and follow it until it’s lower on blood and vulnerable again. Then it’s easy prey. Carno is MUCH more efficient at this playstyle and it even works well for solo or duo Utah

[gritty terrace]

@neon surge if you have an issue with it then get out, this is meant to be an 18+ game with gore and shit, that also may just be for the model so in game it would not be naked likely

[severe vigil]

Yes you right i should have research more about the dinosaur.

and the crest that gives the impression of having a more square muzzle.

[severe vigil]

But do you think it would be better for it to be an, carnivorous pachy or some kinda of venomous daytime dilo?

[spring holly]

@neon surge pretty sure the game is meant to be rated mature 🤷‍♀️ it's horror, gore and stuff

[icy lion]

Mono won't be venemous

[severe vigil]

really? ok them

but do you know what mono will do that only he can?

@jagged jewel I hope your idea becomes reality I miss these dossiers

[jagged jewel]

he doesn't strike me as either of those

if anything just a brawler/scavenger

that competes with rugops

[severe vigil]

them rugops will need to be slower and with stronger bite force.

[jagged jewel]

@barren zephyr awful take

[barren zephyr]

Idc lol

[jagged jewel]

@neon surge this game is going to have gore and you're worrying about naked humans?