general-feedback-discussion

[tepid gate]

That's a... weird suggestion overall to be honest

smaller herbivores already grow faster than Stego, much, much faster as a matter of fact

Stegosaurus is probably the hardest thing to grow in the current game

I mean... arguably

herbivores are easier to grow than terrestrial carnivores but it's just so large and has such a high growth time that it's still probably the hardest animal to grow to full adult

[obtuse osprey]

i just feel like literally nobody plays herbivore

only herbis i see are stegos

[tepid gate]

weird, I see and hear Tenontos and Pachys quite a lot

Tenontos far more than Pachys

[obtuse osprey]

when i play utah only things i fight are other carnivores and stegos

[tepid gate]

to be perfectly honest balance is a bit off right now and Utahraptor is quite absurdly strong so there's a decent chance that most people are playing Utah

Idk I have one Tenonto grown to full adult and one Pachy one different servers

but I still mainly play Utah

[regal monolith]

Teno/stego have a good population

[tepid gate]

cause well... gotta abuse it for as long as it's so strong

[obtuse osprey]

idk personally i dont see the point to playing herbi

maybe once gore and scary stuff starts being a thing it would be more fun

[tepid gate]

the point of playing herbi is the same as the point of playing carni as far as I'm concerned - killing other players

it's just that when I play a herbivore I kill carnivores and when i play a carnivore I kill... well pretty much everything and anything

[obtuse osprey]

fair

[surreal sedge]

@livid elm humans were the plan for the isle from day one, if you dont like that play path of titans or beasts of bermuda, or when such servers spring up play on a human disabled server, but i do agree after night vision is in basically solidifying and expanding on all the legacy mechanics playables and optimization should be top priority.

[worn pumice]

both carnivores and herbivores can do this people play and differ from carni or herbi for different gameplay perspective and loop

[regal monolith]

What I would do is add a system to reward passing on your genes, which is the goal of animals in real life.

Like, maybe a leaderboard.

For how much offspring you have, and how offspring your offspring had.

Then you can use these scoreboard points to buy more patterns, no microtransactions.

Maybe even detail colors for males

"Cool color on dino" is a good way to motivate people in this game

[drifting steeple]

@jagged jewel wouldnt ptera have a higher or at least on par rot resistance to deino? I mean scavenging meat is a much bigger part of ptero gameplay than deino

And pteras usually just get the last bit of bodies anyway, given they cant reliably chase preds away from bodies

[limber hull]

yea but deino is a big-ass gator and we all know gators do not care

[drifting steeple]

I mean I guess it just seems a lil off to me

If ptero was higher itd make more sense

[limber hull]

eh, 80 is fine. Ptera can make it to a corpse way quicker than any other animal so it makes sense to have it that way

[drifting steeple]

Yeh but if something's by the body than ptera gotta wait for it to leave, n this is usually very common

[limber hull]

although personally i would put troodon's rot tolerance above utah and herreras. Something about it strikes me as an animal that is a little scavenger

[drifting steeple]

Yeh, the idea is good, the values imo are off

[scenic sapphire]

No ❤️

it says there's controller compatability, so there should be compatability.

if not, then take it off the store listing

[gaunt canopy]

⌨️

[scenic sapphire]

lmao

you do realize this is an accessiblity issue, right?

I'm not just being silly, there are people who struggle to use keyboards due to disability and if it says there's controller compatibility, I would hope that it would be there.

[lapis swallow]

@warped garden so canadians do not live in north america or what?

[warped garden]

im just saying that both countries boast a large population with almost everyone having internet access. The fact that easily 90% of The Isle's player base is crammed into like, 6 servers is nuts

[lapis swallow]

There is many unofficials that have a good playerbase, you should try them out until the devs fix the playercount showing problem

[warped garden]

yes but the solution to the problem shouldnt be other people having to make servers; devs just need to increase envrima server cap without having to rely on 3rd party server creators

[regal monolith]

Yeah those guys are dumb

People who hate controller accessibility for the sake of hating it are like those unironic PC master race guys

Like I don’t even use controller but I feel like it would be nice with the isle

[limber hull]

whats the point of the distaste of controller?

let people play the game lmao

[regal monolith]

For the sake of being edgy ig

[limber hull]

PC master race people are the most cringe people I've ever met lmao

[warped garden]

i actually have massive respect for controller players because they're handicapping themselves somewhat for comfort

its much harder to control on two different planes of control all the while managing the buttons and things

[quiet spindle]

Do something about stego tail swipe hit boxes

For the sanity of everyone PLEASE

[jagged jewel]

No, because deino will come across food less frequently than ptera, and can’t afford to be picky

The reason troodon has the same values as herrera and utah is that all three of them can still somewhat reliably get their own food

[final hare]

Anyone have eggs coming soon?

[lapis swallow]

This is #general-feedback-discussion

Go to the #evrima servers

[scenic sapphire]

this. because, again, it's an accessability issue! There are people who cannot, mechanically, play games without controller for one reason or another and they deserve to be able to play games, too.

[scenic sapphire]

tell me about it lol but it's the only way I can play :'> my controls are very loosey goosey lmao

but honestly? the controller compatability is, and always has (even in legacy), been absolutely abysmal as someone who needs the aid of a controller to play

[dire ridge]

i tried to play with controller but i didn't managed to find the freelook in the mapping, meaning no alt bite

so i still play with m+k even tho i would prefer the controller

[jagged jewel]

@warm jungle what

[last bramble]

my thoughts exactly

[limber hull]

did this guy just write a feedback post in the third person

[warm jungle]

whats confusing about it? bee thought she made it clear enough?? bee can screenshot the comfy crevice and show the glitch if needed^^

[limber hull]

why are you writing in the third person

[warm jungle]

why not? O.o

[queen ember]

Could of just said there is a glitched rock in a bug report

[drifting steeple]

Deino has just as easy access to food as ptera tbhhh, lil bit less but food for deino isnt competitive because only thing that can compete with deino is stego and Stego doesnt eat meat, deinos are always chasing people away from their food, it makes no sense for their rot protection to be more, just another stat to max deino off on

[jagged jewel]

only thing that can compete with deino is stego
completely ignores the fact that deinos are cannibals

specially now more than ever

[drifting steeple]

And? Everything has the possibility of cannibal, even pteros

[jagged jewel]

yes, however deino is incentivised to be a cannibal

and thus competition and tension is always higher when two unknown deinos find eachother

[drifting steeple]

Deino vs deino is not higher competition than ptero vs deino, ptero vs carno, ptero vs utah, ptero vs ptero, ptero vs herbis

[jagged jewel]

you can't just say that everything has the possibility of being a cannibal. While, yes, it is true, it should not be taken into account, unless said playables are incentivised to cannibalise

[jagged jewel]

except it is? deino vs deino happens very frequently now, which is good

and losing a deino is way more impactful than losing a ptera, which means that competition will be even MORE tense

[drifting steeple]

Bro to say that deino has more competition for food than a scavenger is lowkey a lil ridiculous g, deino is the easiest dino carnivore to grow

[jagged jewel]

i never disagreed, i didn't say it was easy to grow, i just said that competition both for food and cannibalism was higher in deino than in ptera

we're not even talking about growth

[drifting steeple]

I meant that food is not a problem for deino, you can walk up to food and everything runs

[jagged jewel]

you're missing the point

[drifting steeple]

Even half grown

Deino has one competitor beside stego and that's itself, that's the same for every species regardless if cannibalism is accepted, I've played deino more than carno and have seen wayyy more carno cannibals than deino

[jagged jewel]

carno cannibalism is as incentivised as deino cannibalism lmao

[drifting steeple]

My point

Thank you

[jagged jewel]

and also carno has worse hunger drain

back to my point,

food is not a problem for deino NOW, however in U6, everything and everyone will take any chance they find at eating meat, whether its in their diet or not. this, for deino, means that fish will be more scarce, as every deino will eat every fish they find, which will take a rise in cannibalism rates, and will therefore make competition for food higher, and therefore, will make deino come across food less often than ptera.
you also need to take into account how EASY it will be in the future for both of these playables to reliably find food.
Ptera? just fly to oasis for frogs or fly around the map for 5 minutes to find food.
Deino? search around all the rivers until you find a fish, which will fill you up like 13%, or risk your life by going on land, or just try to get lucky and find a corpse on a nearby water source.
It's for this reason that deino needs a higher rot resistance, because ptera can afford to be picky, as it can literally traverse the map in around 5 minutes or less, while deino doesn't have that privilege + being confined to water.

another thing to note is that ptera needs way less food to get full, which also gives it another benefit

deino needs to eat 177.7777777777778 times more food than ptera

[dire ridge]

If you want more than 1 nutrient, you NEED to kill other deino

[jagged jewel]

^

most smart deinos will hide at the first sight of you if they're smaller than you, therefore pretty much denying you of your food

[dire ridge]

That's a good thing. I just don't like the matchup deino vs deino (adult)

[jagged jewel]

i like cannibalism being more incentivised in deino

[dire ridge]

Agree

The combat between adult deino is just boring imo

[jagged jewel]

agreed

they need to add something like a death roll for combat in water

[gaunt canopy]

Agreed

[dire ridge]

Currently its pretty much who got the first alt bite in, wins

[gaunt canopy]

I’ve been pushing that idea around every once in awhile for about a year now

[lapis swallow]

@long grove #evrima-eu

[dire ridge]

@tough holly "After that point I sadly started eating younger deinos i say sadly because I felt alone in that swamp so big! There was space for everyone."
Eating younger deino is part of deino gameplay, i don't see where its "sad"

[tough holly]

i killed the same person 5 times, in the end he quitted what's the point?

[jagged jewel]

The point is food

On your suggestion, the only thing i dislike is how the mechanic is "forced"

Sunbathing should be encouraged, not forced

Another thing, how exactly does sunbathing benefit the deino? @tough holly

[tough holly]

if your blood is at the correct temperature, your Deino works properly, but below a certain temperature you have malus like less speed less force etc.

[jagged jewel]

@scenic lintel when a full adult utah pounces a turtle it goes on its back

[scenic lintel]

last time i tested it it wasnt lol

[jagged jewel]

were you 100%?

[scenic lintel]

yes

[jagged jewel]

weird, because utah pins turtles

must have been a bug on your end

[scenic lintel]

idk

[tough holly]

however, killing the young does not involve any skill or benefit other than not starving

[jagged jewel]

I don't think that's the correct way to go about this mechanic.
I think the basking mechanic should give more niche and survival-esque benefits, not combat related benefits.
I believe that it's best to make the mechanic benefit you for using it, rather than punishing you for not using it.
An example is:
If you don't bask, you are completely normal, except you have slightly worse turn radius on land.
If you FULLY bask, you turn way faster and easier on land, your vertical lunge goes higher (whenever that comes out), your normal lunge goes further and wastes less stamina, and you have a slightly higher max speed on water.

[jagged jewel]

It grants nutrients AND food, and yes it does involve skill because it's stupidly easy to avoid adult deinos as a juvie

Either that or the guy you killed sucked at the game

[dire ridge]

If you don't like cannibalism, don't play a species clearly designed to be one

[tough holly]

I think the game at present day is appreciated by a small part of the playerbase in reality

[jagged jewel]

what

[jagged jewel]

I agree

[tough holly]

yeah

[drifting steeple]

Lmfao why everyone tryna overbuff deino

[jagged jewel]

what do you mean by this

[jagged jewel]

It's not buffing, it's not even a massive benefit, it only benefits the deino by like 5% more than default.

[tough holly]

that only a small group relegated to the more competitive aspect of the game has too much influence lol

[jagged jewel]

Specially now with the current lighting, it's hard to fully bask without getting engulfed in shadows

[tough holly]

no one enjoys killing those who have just spawned

[jagged jewel]

Sure but you did it anyway so why are you blaming us lmao

[drifting steeple]

"Turn way faster and easier on land, longer lunges, decreased stam consumption, higher swim speed" just for basking in the sun?

That's easy to maintain 100% of the time

[jagged jewel]

I didn't say by how much the lunges were buffed, that is my bad

I meant slightly for every benefit.

[tough holly]

I didn't blame you, I just took responsibility for my actions

[jagged jewel]

Except the turning in spot on land

I don't want to overbuff deino, i think it's fine how it is. I'm just proposing a potential benefit for the planned basking mechanic.

I don't see how slightly faster swimming speed, turning faster on land and longer lunge range is game breaking.

[tough holly]

I think the game has a lot of potential and reducing it to big fish eat small fish is a big waste of resources

[jagged jewel]

And by stamina consumption I didn't mean global stamina, just the stam consumption when getting ahold of something, it would only count for ~1 more second than default, @drifting steeple.

[dire ridge]

Deino need some sort of population regulation, even with deino being on its on diet list, they're still too much megapack of it. And i don't talk about young one, im talking about adults. The group size is 2. So please stop whining when a bigger deino eat a smaller one.

As an adult, if you want a spot fight for it or go away but don't make working megapacks

[tough holly]

of course people play Deino because it is new and people try it, the reasons you specify are totally personal

not necessarily objective

[lapis swallow]

Deino and new?

Its been on the game for over a year now

[tough holly]

compared to others it is "new", and in this update the environment has been updated

[dire ridge]

You want something objective ?
there:
Goup size is 2 and deino is cannibal.

[urban flax]

@hollow kraken wtf do you mean by dryo talking to stego "like irl" ?

[hollow kraken]

idin't they do that?

didn't*

[urban flax]

Dinosaurs didn't talk at all irl

[cyan flame]

The calls are plenty sufficient for that kind of communication. Just use them properly and all.

[hollow kraken]

Bro with talk I mean scream

but in the isle dinos talk with chat u know

so I thought it could be cool if they combined their chat

[urban flax]

There's not reason for them to be able to talk, as you wrote yourself, 3-calling is completely sufficient

[hollow kraken]

eh true

But it's kinda boring to follow a stego

without talking to it or anything

[urban flax]

Well then don't do that ?

[dire ridge]

get closer to it, it will impale you, that's fun

[hollow kraken]

lol

[lapis swallow]

True

[urban flax]

Dryo just isn't the most interesting to play rn but I don't think allowing it to talk to stegos for whatever reason is a good solution

[hollow kraken]

They do tend to do that

[hollow kraken]

That is kinda true

Hypsi will prob get tree climbing

[jagged jewel]

it's confirmed

[hollow kraken]

So then I feel like nobody's gonna want to play dryo

[jagged jewel]

dryo's gonna get burrows

[hollow kraken]

Even atm nobody plays dryo

[hollow kraken]

true

[jagged jewel]

dryo is the best dino at bullying juvies

[hollow kraken]

true lol

But nobody plays it

In the entire 20 hours I've played on update 5

I've only found 2 dryo lol

dryos*

[dire ridge]

You can even harass a carni that got out of a fight and maybe kill it

if he's injured enough and you keep attacking it to prevent it to heal

[urban bear]

@proven river where did you get those redwoods screen shots?

[dire ridge]

amar0k last stream

[molten turtle]

could someone explain me why i cant move the camera left and right ? ive done everything i cant fix

[icy lion]

If you are experiencing issues with your controls since the latest update (can't move camera, unable to court, etc) then please try wiping your config files in localappdata.

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Press the Windows Key
3. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
4. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
5. Open the "Saved" folder.
6. Delete the "Config" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
7. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

[lapis swallow]

@mild walrus you do realise that utah weighs 450 kg

[molten turtle]

this doesnt work at all -_-

[icy lion]

Did you delete the right folder?

[molten turtle]

yesd

[icy lion]

You followed those instructions exactly, and found the folder called TheIsle in your appdata directory?

Or did you enter the Steam installation

[molten turtle]

the second time it work ! thank u

[jagged jewel]

@vestal field beipi is too heavy to do this

[mild walrus]

A juvie Utah?

[jagged jewel]

juvie utah weighs 4 kg, basilisk lizards dont even weigh 0.5 kg

[mild walrus]

I forget the game is 100% accurate

[vestal field]

how so

[mild walrus]

Maybe hatchlings then?

[vestal field]

weight in Kg? or LB

lb*

[jagged jewel]

both??

[urban flax]

Why would hatchlings even need to do that ?

[vestal field]

either or

[mild walrus]

To run from an attacker

[jagged jewel]

i guess it’d be possibly

[mild walrus]

Across a river

[jagged jewel]

it’s too heavy in both systems lol

[mild walrus]

If a nest is ambushed

[jagged jewel]

a beipi weighs as much as a human

[vestal field]

Im asking how much does it weigh

[urban flax]

I could see ONE specific animal doing that, but one that is clearly specialized for running across water, not utah or beipi

[vestal field]

oh

[jagged jewel]

ah it weighs like 95 kg

[vestal field]

oh makes sense then but at the same time with enough force it could do so

[jagged jewel]

i supposed hatchling austro could do that, since its smaller and has webbed feet

[mild walrus]

Could just be a little niche thing for a specific dino too

[jagged jewel]

could it??? humans can’t run on water and are generally lighter

[jagged jewel]

i wouldn’t mind seeing baby austro do this over somewhat short distances

[mild walrus]

Two different convos I think happening, both about weight

[vestal field]

Then again were not really built like a beipiao is, looking at the model it resembles more of a water bird shape that being a grebe or cormorant (while swimming)

so it could maybe also take in the fact that alligators could do so with their tails, wouldnt sit high above the water but could manage

[urban flax]

I think the speed at which a human should go in order to run across water was calculated once
And I think it was several hundreds km/h, if not over 1000

[vestal field]

Ik tails and feet two different things but im just saying

Im not saying beipiao should run on water tho just tread a bit on the surface like the grebes I posted

but if it were to "run" on water it could be more of a dash like that of a merganser but shorter distance/maybe more energy to do so

[mild walrus]

I can see for it making some very fun taunting of deinos and other water dwellers, running out in a circle and back on land trying to avoid their (in the future) vertical lunges

[jagged jewel]

it literally isn't able to do that without breaking the laws of physics

baby austro on the other hand is small enough i reckon

[vestal field]

Its not really a run tbh Im trying to find a similar video to reference what I mean

its not running like a basilisk or anything lol

[jagged jewel]

@unreal ridge

quetz shouldn't have a grab

It should be a predator that hunts on foot

[unreal ridge]

grab as in like a bite in the air

it would one shot it ofc

for most of quetz's prey it needs to ambush and get the drop on it, and unfortunately its 18ft tall, giving quetz the ability to grab prey from the air easily would make it so getting food wouldn't be a hassle or having a large predatory creature have to scavenge to survive

[drifting steeple]

??? Bruh

[unreal ridge]

what he means is that quetz lands and grabs its prey

dropping down on nests, corpses, or rocks to grab small/medium dinosaurs

[drifting steeple]

Oh, I mean I think it should have a grab tbh, I think its dumb that ptero cant grab certain small prey

[unreal ridge]

my suggestion is that quetz should only be able to grab small dinosaurs from the air

[drifting steeple]

That's what I think

[unreal ridge]

tbh its stupid pteranodon cant pick up a chicken

[drifting steeple]

Yeh its dumb, I wanna pick up shit and drop it from the sky like a real sky predator

But It gets sum shitt peck mechanic and cant claim the body most of the time

[unreal ridge]

I only feel like that would be the case for armored creatures like minmi

quetz in the isle should basically be an apex/pseudo apex

it would be literally the biggest flyer and has a wide variety of prey

[drifting steeple]

Yeh quezt is gonna be cool

[jagged jewel]

quetz was a land predator irl

it was like a stork lmao

[jagged jewel]

it can still grab the body lmao

what i would do is give it like an impaling attack like stego, where it impales prey on its beak and can take it anywhere

[unreal ridge]

quetz was a mix of a hawk and a stork, from my point of view

[jagged jewel]

no like it literally hunted like a stork irl

[unreal ridge]

yeah landing on the ground and grabbing small prey and then flying away

[jagged jewel]

it walked around on foot and hunted whatever small thing it found

[jagged jewel]

not really, it attacked things on land and ate things on land, it only took prey to the skies if it needed to

if anything hatz did this, but not quetz

i want quetz to be like the carno of the flyers

[drifting steeple]

That's not what I jist read in an article jitt, it said they hunted in the air and skimmed for fish

Cant find nun bout them hunting on land and I'm trying

[dire ridge]

Maybe fish was the exception ?

[unreal ridge]

you also gotta think that in the isle when you swallow something it pauses you entirely

most quetz players would grab something and immediately have to fly away because of its Parents, friends or other predators

[icy lion]

Pterosaurs could not skim, their jaws weren't made for it

[drifting steeple]

Idk what to tell you man, that's juss what I read

"pterosaurs, such as Quetzalcoatlus, had wider wingspans and smaller heads than the early Dimorphodon. Their long, toothless beaks helped them snatch small animals as prey. They became much better hunters in the air."

[unreal ridge]

skimming was mostly for smaller pterosaurs, my suggestion was just to help balance quetz's ability to hunt small prey and not getting jumped every time it does

[jagged jewel]

Idk what to tell you, that's just wrong

[jagged jewel]

i mean sure but azhdarchids were specially adapted for hunting on foot

compared to other pterosaurs

this article is generalising pterosaurs, while quetz and the other members of its family are really outliers

[dire ridge]

Jump by what ? Quetz is a giant lmao

[unreal ridge]

it only weighed 550lbs

utahraptor could weigh it down

[jagged jewel]

new weight estimates came out suggesting it weighed as much as a pachy

[unreal ridge]

really? are we talking about Q. northropi?

[jagged jewel]

i believe so

[regal monolith]

I've heard quetz is 250kg

[jagged jewel]

is northropi the huge one?

[unreal ridge]

yes

[jagged jewel]

emphasis on new estimates

[jagged jewel]

then yes

[unreal ridge]

250kg is around 500lbs if im not mistaken

[jagged jewel]

yes

even if it did weigh 250 kg i'm sure it would have a nasty ass attack and would scare off any smart utah

i don't mind quetz' weight being upped a notch just for balance

[dire ridge]

Agreed

[drifting steeple]

🤷🏽‍♂️

I juss provided proof if you dont like it is all good g

[unreal ridge]

quetz would definitely be able to range itself from small attackers given about 8+ feet of neck and a pointy beak

[jagged jewel]

Bro you think this is reliable? This article says quetz' head was smaller than dimorphodon's head.

I think that what the article meant was that quetz was better adapted for flying than dimorphodon, not that it hunted things in the air.

[unreal ridge]

smaller in proportion

[drifting steeple]

^

[jagged jewel]

^

[unreal ridge]

dimorphodon had a huge head but if you scaled it up to the size of quetz, quetz would have a much smaller skull

[jagged jewel]

that is true i suppose

pterosaurs did not have strong enough necks nor beaks for skimming at high speeds

[dire ridge]

Because of its size + wing span i don't think a utah could pin or latch on a quetz without it taking off or something

[jagged jewel]

let alone pterosaurs the size of quetz

[unreal ridge]

its more plausible that pterosaurs dived into the water and grabbed fish rather than skimming

[jagged jewel]

Yes, but quetz didn't do this

[unreal ridge]

but the devs have already chosen skimming and ptera probably wont get a water take off

[jagged jewel]

sad truth

[unreal ridge]

so we'll just have to live with it

then again quetz will probably have fish on its diet

land next to a river and pluck one out

[jagged jewel]

Sure, but it would hunt more like herons or storks

Yeah

Quetz could scavenge by scouting out from the skies, or could hunt whatever small animal it found by landing and wandering around.

"Some small pterosaurs like Anurognathus seem well-adapted to snatching insect prey out of the air, but pterosaur skulls were most likely not strong enough to grab anything bigger than that in-flight. Study has shown they certainly weren’t strong enough to skim through the water on the wing. (That’s not to say pterosaurs were super-weak, just that grabbing prey in-flight with your mouth is really hard. Most birds don’t do it either.)

Instead, evidence from pterosaur anatomy and some rare trackways indicate that most pterosaurs hunted on the ground. Many seafood-eaters were probably wading in the water snatching food like herons or skimming like flamingos. There is evidence that the huge azhdarchids like Quetzalcoatlus and Hatzegopteryx were “terrestrial stalkers,” walking on the ground like storks or hornbills, snatching up small prey."

[unreal ridge]

quetz would've probably hunted in forests, although more splotchy forests given that they need space to take off incase of danger

[jagged jewel]

ah yeah for sure

[unreal ridge]

but given the balancing of the isle and the number of predators quetz probably would take a more airborne approach

rarely ever landing unless they need food or water

[jagged jewel]

Probably

[unreal ridge]

even then quetz would probably have a very high water intake and food would be swallowed whole at a safer location

[jagged jewel]

true

[zealous violet]

@Mep, I kinda like your idea! I tend to go a bit crazy with my mouse when I get pounced anyways so this would be helpful for me.

[fleet wasp]

I'm going to preface this message, by saying I was playing pachy, which I know has terrible bleed resistance.
Is it usual for screens to start fading even though you have rolled in mud? I was pounced by 3 utahs, and was able to roll in mud, which I understood up until this point stopped bleeding completely. My blood continued to drop until my screen started fading, though it didn't black out completely and I didn't die. If this is a feature, I think it's very difficult to fight anything or see where you're going if your screen is fading even though you've stopped the bleed. Maybe it shouldn't fade your screen, or rolling in mud should stop bleed progressing (not start it healing) but bleed would progress again if bitten?

[limber hull]

mud slows the speed you bleed significantly, but doesn't 100% stop it

also everything has the same bleed resist as pachy (besides deino). Just clarifying that pachy has no specific vulnerabilities to bleed besides a small blood pool

[worn pumice]

if u wallow in mud and sit down does it stop bleeding completely or is there still some ticks

[limber hull]

there's still ticks, but its EXCEPTIONALLY slow

to a point where it's nigh unnoticeable

[worn pumice]

ok good good

too bad mud pools are far and few between

[fleet wasp]

So then it is still possible to bleed out, even if you've covered yourself in mud and aren't in immediate danger?

[fleet wasp]

Ok, gotcha!

[limber hull]

@echo tiger what sporadic bleed changes? I don't think bleed was changed much at all

[echo tiger]

Mainly refering to carnos changes

now 2 utahs can pounce on it and it just dies, no hope at all it's dead, literally U2 utah all over again and we both know how terrible that was

Utahs kinda got fucked with as well but i can make exception to that given its a smalelr animal and should have more bleed exerted on it

[limber hull]

i think only carno got bleed changes, not utah tho

[echo tiger]

I've not tested utah extraneously tbf but the nerfs to carno are dumbfounded to me

an animal that can't run for very long and has a shit stamina pool is utterly fucked if so much a utah farts on it and pounces it now. the argument for it's speed being an advantage has merit sure, if it had a good stamina pool which would be perfectly fine for such a creature imo

Cause ATM you cannot fucking run away for long and if you're bled you're regen goes to shit, if you're below half stam you are just dead from tracking 100% of the itme

[tight oxide]

just dont move a lot?

play defense and use the environment

and tracking is harder to use than before so yay?

[echo tiger]

Yeah it is harder to use for sure

But saying dont move alot, play defensive and use the environment in a matchup where 2 pounces can kill you is silly.

The object for me as a carno is to exploit my one advantage in order to ambush and kill a utah quick before eating and dipping no?

If i were a brawler that would make sense, but unfortunately im not a brawler

[last lily]

||Aren't the plains meant to be Carno's paradise as well??||

[echo tiger]

I see more utahs than carnos there on EU servers

People complained about utah during U2, and its the exact same thing now with the carno match up because of the bleed changes and i just ask for some consistency.

[echo tiger]

And not moving literally opens me up to more pounces which given the shitty bleed pool, yeah no thanks.

[tight oxide]

so you want carno to be able to run without much punish after being pounced?...

[echo tiger]

Not at all

[tight oxide]

also you should try hitting hitting utah on dismount and when it tries to get near

[echo tiger]

I just dont want to fucking die to 2 pounces to an animal thats a fifth of my size.

[tight oxide]

Utah is pretty heavy tbf

[echo tiger]

450kg

[tight oxide]

450kg animal with a sickle claw digging into you

[echo tiger]

its heavy yeah but it's still 1 utah.

[tight oxide]

one utah cannot kill a carno easily rn :P

[echo tiger]

facepouncing exists, i beg to differ.

[tight oxide]

bucking and trees...

[echo tiger]

Charging it is janky as fuck when it's doing that, depends on ping and all that stuff

Bucking also doesnt work half the time and trees are situational

[tight oxide]

you can again, hit utah while it tries pouncing the face lol

[tight oxide]

bucking always works but it has a cooldown...

rocks can also help if no trees

[echo tiger]

We have differing experiences, i've mashed E to no effect and it's not worked

like i dont know what to tell you on that one

[tight oxide]

you are suppose to hold e

[echo tiger]

I've done that too

[tight oxide]

and it works :P

[echo tiger]

It doesnt, but again idk what to tell you.

[tight oxide]

once you see your dino do the bucking animation then its working

[echo tiger]

I'm aware.

[tight oxide]

glitched key bind?

[echo tiger]

Maybe

[tight oxide]

all I know is that Utah stamina is destroyed by buck

[coarse stump]

There does seem to be a bug rn wether is keybind related or something else we dunno, but some people seem to struggle to be able to buck

[tight oxide]

I think its a key bind issue tbh

because holding e is the only way to buck so I mean...

Carno vs utah pack requires the carno to actually play defense and use the environment to its best now

[echo tiger]

But you cant do that

[tight oxide]

you can

[echo tiger]

You'll bleed out and starve before you even get to exploit a defense

and defenses can be bypassed by utahs jump,

[tight oxide]

a hunt wont last long enough for you to starve before bleeding out

[echo tiger]

Depends on the situation

[tight oxide]

no...?

you really just have to time your bites

[echo tiger]

You're telling me i cant just pounce over a rock or use elevations to ignore rocks completely?

[tight oxide]

spam biting is not the way anymore

[echo tiger]

Ofc not

Im glad it isnt

[tight oxide]

pounce wont go that high

[echo tiger]

I mean from rocks, jump and then pouncing, using your maneuverability

[tight oxide]

also again you can use the rocks to make the utah get stuck

[echo tiger]

If there are any

again it's all very situational.

[tight oxide]

then bucking makes sure you dont stay on long :P

[echo tiger]

And by the time i've bucked i've used all my stamina and i am a dead man.

Well done, this match up sure is fair.

[tight oxide]

if you are caught in the open by a large utah pack then you should fear for your survival tbh

[echo tiger]

I agree

But i dont think death by 2 pounces is fair at all, its fucking stupid.

[tight oxide]

just gotta kill as many utahs as you can by biting them on dismount or mid pounce

[echo tiger]

I think 3 full pounces should be enough

[tight oxide]

eh

I personally think the matchup is fine rn

Utah pounce miss is the problem but even then, you can get a utah off you easily lol

[tight oxide]

pretty sure you can live longer by playing your cards right

[echo tiger]

Utahs pounce miss animation is what made utah dogshit in the firstplace.

[tight oxide]

no...

it was pounce not working that ruined it lol

[echo tiger]

Bro.

You miss that pounce and you fucking die with no outplay potential

[tight oxide]

also it seems most people dont realize that pounce was actually nerfed this update :P

[tight oxide]

pounce is pretty easy to land

[echo tiger]

I'm talking back then.

[tight oxide]

you should be punished a bit a for missing

I mean the bleed stacking...

[echo tiger]

I dont think so, that defeats the purpose of using the pounce

[tight oxide]

how?

[echo tiger]

because why would i use an attack that fucks me over?

like ????

[tight oxide]

only if you miss lmao

[coarse stump]

If you missed a pounced before you were either dead or out if the fight entirely, it was devastatingly long lasting that animation

[echo tiger]

Shortening it didnt work either

they tried that.

[coarse stump]

And it was incredibly unreliable to even hit

[tight oxide]

update 4.5 pounce miss was long but rn this is too short :P

[tight oxide]

thats because it was bugged?

[coarse stump]

I know

[echo tiger]

Even still, getting back to carno

I've put a suggestion in balance feedback, that'smy take on it. You guys are giving me an aneurism with this shit

[tight oxide]

also something to note

2 utahs pouncing at the same time does more bleed than 2 separate pounces :P

[echo tiger]

Yeah which is the fucking point

A carno dies in 2 pounces

[tight oxide]

also buffing carno turning or stamina is a pretty bad idea imo

[echo tiger]

Did i type buff?

Nah i said to nerf it

[tight oxide]

you said buff the stamina

read the turning part wrong

[echo tiger]

Yeah buffing stamina is fine

[tight oxide]

not really

[echo tiger]

How is it not fine?

It's a fast and semi-agile glass cannon that can't run for more than 2 minutes

Do you just want easy kills or what?

[tight oxide]

for one... you make juvie carno life even easier, then you let carno be better at brawling longer :P

I would rather make Carno reach max speed quicker and see how that goes

[echo tiger]

That literally does nothing when bleed is applied.

To put it in context, one utah juvenile pounce hampers your regen for about a minute and 30 seconds

like

[tight oxide]

juvie utah does like no bleed

[coarse stump]

If you do that it can just face charge

[tight oxide]

might take 2%

[echo tiger]

It doesnt matter, the regen is severely hampered

I've tested all of this myself

[tight oxide]

I mean Carno charge isnt the most reliable ability for its niche

loud and takes a bit to charge up

[coarse stump]

Thats why you dont buff its acceleration cause its tied to that

[tight oxide]

show some footage of juvie utah ruining a full grown carno regen

[tight oxide]

thats why you should buff it to make it better at its job in the plains

[echo tiger]

I'm not going to cough up footage when it's 04:38. But i was sat for around 1 minute and it wasn't regening.

[tight oxide]

carno isnt the biggest threat to the smaller dinosaurs rn besides dryo and hypsi tbh

[coarse stump]

Mate it can just face charge a teno then making it not even an ambush predator anymore

[echo tiger]

Plus i dont have footage, as dubious as that is

[tight oxide]

show the footage later because I really want to see that lol

[tight oxide]

teno can counter charge pretty well :P

[echo tiger]

I wouldn't know about teno v carno but i'd imagine it stayed much the same

[tight oxide]

if teno doesnt use its tools right to counter the charge then it deserves to be hit

[coarse stump]

It already can activate its charge very quickly and it is devastating to be hit by it, if it can do that just a second faster, is not ideal for what it is suppost to be, which is an ambush predator that feasts on small to mid game

[tight oxide]

teno bleeds really hurts carno

I think kick could use a bleed nerf tbh

[echo tiger]

Yeah it should hurt a carno that way

Its a teno, they're on the same weight differential

But as a fucking utah, 2 utah's should not be able to bring down a carno. it should be alot HARDER to do

[tight oxide]

I dont think it makes sense for it bleed anything that hard lol

[echo tiger]

I would say if you got swarmed by like 4 utahs or even 3, you should be on deaths door or hurt bad

[tight oxide]

a very hard hitting attack that can stun while dropping blood levels heavily is a bit much...

[echo tiger]

but then its a game of numbers and balancing with a numbers game is fucked, we've seen this with U4 pachy

[tight oxide]

a good carno can clap 4 utahs :P

[echo tiger]

Yeah if they fucking stand still and let it.

GL hitting competant utahs

[tight oxide]

a good carno is so rare that it sucks

[echo tiger]

and the stamina waste for it you get literally nothing out of it, and you die to his friends anyway

Like again, its a numbers game balancing act thats fucked over an animal completely.

[tight oxide]

stamina waste of what?

[echo tiger]

Charge

[tight oxide]

you charge utahs to ambush them lol

[echo tiger]

You can just insta charge you know...?

[tight oxide]

unless you are sure that you can land it or conserve stamina long enough

[echo tiger]

You dont need to sprint fucking all the way there you can just wind it up for a sec and tap it

[tight oxide]

utah could just out turn you...

[echo tiger]

....

[tight oxide]

also when did I say that charge needs you to start charging miles away?

[echo tiger]

Yeah...? which is why your point of 1 carno taking out 4 utahs is complete bollocks

cause it literally cant

[tight oxide]

its possible lol

find a good carno player and see :P

[echo tiger]

if those utahs brains are not up their ass they fucking dont die to it 100% unless lag, desync or brain lag.

[tight oxide]

you are really under estimating a good carno

[echo tiger]

I'm not, im being realistic.

[tight oxide]

realistic isnt exactly a thing in this game

[coarse stump]

There is really no realistic way a carno can take on 4 utahs rn unless either, the utahs are really bad, or the carno is in a really advantagous spot

[echo tiger]

You have to be tremendously stupid to die as a pack of 4 to 1 carno

[tight oxide]

out in the open then carno could be screwed

[echo tiger]

especially since the utah can just yknow, turn

[tight oxide]

really just buff carno accel and see how it goes tbh

[coarse stump]

Thing is most places to actually find ANYONE in this game is in the open

[tight oxide]

probably because of how bad forests are including for pvp

[coarse stump]

Indeed

[tight oxide]

utah cant pounce in there which is sad since it was meant to be a kinda all biome thing

[echo tiger]

Its almost like, we cant exploit that terrain advantage and play defensively when the game itself doesnt lend itself for that play

[tight oxide]

why does utah prefer to hunt in the open plains where its (should be) predator hunts

[echo tiger]

especially with a fucking dogshit metabolism and shit stamina and shit bleed regen

a combination of these factors force aggression which you cant help, you've gotta go for it or you die from starving.

[tight oxide]

the stamina isnt a issue if you dont run after being pounced

[echo tiger]

If i dont run after being pounced I AM DEAD.

DEAD as shit.

[tight oxide]

running after being pounced makes you die faster lmao

[echo tiger]

Do you not see the problem?

[coarse stump]

So my point still stands, you are pretty much forced to be in the open, because carnos hunger bar goes down insanely fast so it can hardly get to be picky with where it goes, it pretty much have to patrol from hotspot to hotspot, and pretty much every hotspot is in the open therefor putting carno in permanent danger of a utah attack with little to no way of defending itself using the terrain

[frozen heron]

What are we arguing about

[tight oxide]

pounce counter 101

dont run a lot XD

[echo tiger]

Yeah let me just present my asshole to 5 utahs who are packed up and that uh uh the uh i cant run cause my bleed regen is so dogshit that i cant actually do anything uh the uh

[tight oxide]

blame the game for making any other spot a bad place for utah packs to hunt tbh

[tight oxide]

run in a short burst to dodge :P

you always wanna reduce how much you run

[echo tiger]

And get pounced anyway because they're not stupid and they're gonna swarm my ass to get multiple angles of attack

Your solution literally does not address the problem

[tight oxide]

alt bite can help at times tbh

[coarse stump]

I am, so thats why i think, do these devs even play their game, with these balance changes they make?

[echo tiger]

This

[tight oxide]

I really think carno reaching max speed easier would put more challenge to utahs :P

[coarse stump]

It would put more challenge on everything it can hunt

[tight oxide]

not really

carno only hunts teno and down and for teno it would stay almost the same

[echo tiger]

But carno can't hunt small game IE utah?

[tight oxide]

or pachy

[coarse stump]

How not, how can carno being able to use its key ability even faster not effect everything it hunts, like what?

[tight oxide]

carno just sucks at its job lol

[echo tiger]

If it's on its diet, it should have a fair or situational match up. I think thats the main take home

[tight oxide]

it simply cant ambush that well and the prey has many ways of dealing with it

[echo tiger]

But making it faster wont fix that

[tight oxide]

utah can just out turn it... pachy can break the leg and decide to run or brawl more for some reason

[echo tiger]

It's alright being the fastest thing in the world, but if your guidance is shit then you're fucked.

[echo tiger]

Exactly what i was leading into

[tight oxide]

I said reaching top speed faster... WHAT DO YOU NOT GET

god damn

[echo tiger]

Because it just wont fucking work?

[tight oxide]

it would :P

[echo tiger]

Based on what i presented

[tight oxide]

carno before the nerfs to acceleration was pretty tough

[coarse stump]

I think just, they should rather consider either making the bleed drain back to before this patch, or make carno take alot longer to starve so it can affort to take safer routes around the map

[echo tiger]

Or make it an actual fucking glass cannon

[tight oxide]

no

[echo tiger]

instead of this shit where it dies in 2 hits and fucking cant do shit about it

[tight oxide]

a glass canon would let it die faster

[echo tiger]

But it'd actually be able to kill shit faster and offset that

If you get hit, it's your fault, you pay for it

[tight oxide]

and a glass canon for its size would probably make cera have an easier time winning...

[echo tiger]

....? isn't that the point of cera...?

[tight oxide]

carno can one shot utah to the head I think rn so...

[echo tiger]

Bullshit.

[tight oxide]

with ram that is

[coarse stump]

Cera should bully carno, but it canr chase them down at all

[echo tiger]

I've never in my time playing one shot it to the face

[coarse stump]

It literally shows in the video of them that its a huge corpse bully

[tight oxide]

making carno a glass canon would mean making it have less hp which isnt the best idea later on

[echo tiger]

It's not meant to be a brawler though...?

[tight oxide]

also would make less carnos go after pachy

[echo tiger]

How...?

[tight oxide]

its not the best brawler rn

[echo tiger]

Thats because its literally not meant to be

[tight oxide]

less hp plus pachy fractures over and over equals pain

[echo tiger]

1 charge and 2 body shots = dead pachy

[tight oxide]

never said it should

[echo tiger]

Glass cannon assassin build archetype

[tight oxide]

good luck landing a clean body shot to knock said pachy down if the pachy is aware of you

[regal monolith]

Cerato is too small to corpse bully carno

[echo tiger]

You think?

[regal monolith]

As a skilled carnotaurus player I would simply run away and charge the cerato

[tight oxide]

current carno, but a carno with less hp would have a harder time lol

[coarse stump]

I wouldnt nessesarily agree, i think carno can do fine as a glass cannon, it is suppost to hunt small game mostly anyway, and Teno being the abselute biggest it can take on

[regal monolith]

why would you nerf carno

Carno is literally fair and balanced right now

[tight oxide]

they wanna reduce carno hp or something

anyways

[echo tiger]

Never said that

[tight oxide]

glass canon means less hp

[echo tiger]

I want to increase its stamina pool

It already is a glass cannon have you not been paying attention to this conversation?

But its too weak in it's current state where 2 utahs can kill it, thats fucking dumb

[regal monolith]

No?

[coarse stump]

It pretty much is a glass cannon rn as it is, it is pretty squishy for what its size is

[tight oxide]

god no

[regal monolith]

Carno stamina is fine

[echo tiger]

I respectfully disagree.

[regal monolith]

That’s just a skill issue on your end

[echo tiger]

Yeah a skill issue in which 2 utahs can rip me apart by holding RMB.

meanwhile i have to land a perfectly coordinated charge to kill them and even then it's not guaranteed.

skill issue.

[tight oxide]

anyways I think making carno reach top speed quicker would help it kill smalls better... That is if the devs let smalls be a good meal for carno lmao (A Utah Doesnt fill Carno to full hunger :/).

[tight oxide]

HOLD E DAMMIT

[echo tiger]

Doesnt work.

[tight oxide]

JUST HOLD E

[tight oxide]

THEN THATS NOT A BALANCE ISSUE

[mortal shard]

👁️ 👄 👁️

[echo tiger]

It's a mechanical issue.

[tight oxide]

ITS A ISSUE ON YOUR END

[echo tiger]

Idk about that one

[mortal shard]

Cake is nice

[coarse stump]

True lol, lets make the small game hunter not get any food from small game, thanks isle devs 😂

[tight oxide]

works fine for me so its a issue on your end :P

[regal monolith]

Just use your speed and run into a tree

But to be fair I haven’t fought a utah as carno yet

[tight oxide]

at this point all carno can hunt is teno lmao

[echo tiger]

It's piss easy mate. 2 utahs bleed it out

[coarse stump]

Yea, its sad

[tight oxide]

trying to fight utah or pachy takes too long and is too risky for such a small reward

[coarse stump]

Facts

[echo tiger]

Small game hunter moment

[regal monolith]

[coarse stump]

Isle devs, please play ur game thank you bye

[tight oxide]

know whats funny?

[regal monolith]

skill issue

[echo tiger]

pachy is overpowerd

thats whats funny

[trail mason]

🤨

[tight oxide]

devs released nesting for adults to do after hunting and stuff but they then decide to make carnivore always be on the hunt which makes nesting become not worth doing while herbivores really cant starve or compete for food

[mortal shard]

[echo tiger]

[tight oxide]

cap

Hated opinion but I think pachy is balanced 🥱

People just mad because it cant kill carno in a few hits anymore

[trail mason]

I cant really say anything on pachy since I havent seen one since the last update

[tight oxide]

I've seen lots of pachys tbh

[regal monolith]

That’s a self ratio for you

[tight oxide]

anyways biggest hated opinion today

[regal monolith]

Pachy isn’t overpowered

[trail mason]

yeahhh

[tight oxide]

I think Utah is fine and balanced

[echo tiger]

[tight oxide]

[echo tiger]

It is for the most part

we'll agree to disagree on carno

[regal monolith]

But the only thing keeping carno population in check is the hunter drain

[trail mason]

utah is pretty balanced besides the teleporting from the tail/head to side thing

[tight oxide]

People are just mad that Utah can actually hunt and fight back

[regal monolith]

If carno got its previous hunger drain the game would go to shit

[echo tiger]

the game is shit anyway

[regal monolith]

People are just angry they can’t spam grow carnivores

[echo tiger]

like balance is still awful

[tight oxide]

Im telling you that less people would play carno because of Utah rmb working

[regal monolith]

Not really

[echo tiger]

Uhh

[regal monolith]

What?

[echo tiger]

Stego?

[tight oxide]

A full grown Utah should fill a carno to full cope

[regal monolith]

Oh yeah

stego ruins the game currently

[trail mason]

cant stego be killed by utahs now?

[echo tiger]

Herbivores in general being able to get away with having a free diets system pretty much with no competition

[regal monolith]

But I heard that dondi doesn’t want to nerf it so

[trail mason]

thats something something

[tight oxide]

some carno users I know decided to go carno because of utah rmb not working right

[echo tiger]

Omnidirectional dismount was big for utah v stego

[drifting steeple]

I think stego is fine tbhhhh

[regal monolith]

The thing with stego is that it’s too easy to do well with pure stats

[tight oxide]

which is dumb beyond hell

[regal monolith]

So the shittest most toxic players play stego

[trail mason]

true

[regal monolith]

That’s bad for the game so early

[trail mason]

but if stego gets nerfed now it wont be able to kill albertas and allos that will come out in 5 years

[regal monolith]

Stego should take more skilled, not really nerfed to the ground.

[trail mason]

yeah

[tight oxide]

make stego get the same blood nerfs like carno did so utah can keep stego population down 🥱

[regal monolith]

Dumb take

[tight oxide]

nah

[regal monolith]

That literally doesn’t fix the issue at all

[tight oxide]

Utah is the only thing I see properly hunting stego lol

[trail mason]

I mentioned this before but having the tailswing take more stamina + making its head take more damage will work

[regal monolith]

Stego should have to worry about more things then big utah packs

[tight oxide]

I dont think carnos should be trying to hunt stegos

[regal monolith]

It and deino should be on even ground, and 4 or so adult carnos should make it worry:

[tight oxide]

deino should be able to kill stego with a water ambush imo

[regal monolith]

When the game has so few playables having one just be untouchable to most things is brain dead

[tight oxide]

not on land but if deino manages to ambush stego then...

[regal monolith]

You are literally asking for legacy rex situation

[tight oxide]

what?

legacy rex had like no worries if it was good

besides tail riders that knew their limits

[regal monolith]

yeah but rex players were super toxic

Because barely anything could realistically touch them

[tight oxide]

deino and utah are the only carnivores that should be hunting stego in the current patch lol

so that just excludes carno...

[regal monolith]

carno packs

[tight oxide]

dont see how its a legacy issue

[tight oxide]

its possible but not favorable

[regal monolith]

doubt

[trail mason]

stego isnt even in the diet so why bother

[tight oxide]

exactly

[regal monolith]

Because fuck apexes ig

[tight oxide]

that made no sense but ok

[trail mason]

I mean you wont starve to death but no nutrients

[tight oxide]

anyways deino should be able to kill stego if one gets too cocky near the water, utah should be able to take down stegos normally, but carno shouldnt be trying

no good reason to kill stego as carno

[tight oxide]

no nutrients makes the next hunt harder

[regal monolith]

Then you get stego overpopulation

[tight oxide]

you wouldnt lmao

[trail mason]

hows the stego vs deino situation looking rn

I dont play either

[tight oxide]

deino just dies

[regal monolith]

That’s literally how it is now lol

There’s like, 20 stegos per server, maybe 30.

[tight oxide]

letting deino be able to kill stegos with a water ambush of some sort would already be a huge decline in stego populations lol

do you not know how many deinos there are?

[regal monolith]

True

Butt the developers wont add that

So what’s the point of speculating it

[tight oxide]

and letting utah pack vs stego be more worth it for the utah pack would also make stegos have to watchout more

[tight oxide]

the devs at some point must know that stego needs to die

[regal monolith]

But they won’t add a tug of war mechanic just for that, punch packet said it would take too much effort.

[tight oxide]

make deino rmb stun stego longer so deino can land a scary amount of bites

like maybe lunging stego head stuns stego longer than a body hit

[regal monolith]

That would work

[echo tiger]

kinda makes fucking deino irrelevant considering its a 8tonne croc and it cant do that? like

the fuck are they thinking lol

[tight oxide]

but who knows... deino might get buffed when more apexes come

[regal monolith]

They were worried that it would just result in the stegos or deinos friends dogpilling the other

[echo tiger]

isnt that what the match up is already anyway

[regal monolith]

Yeah

[trail mason]

deino is very far from irrelevant rn

[echo tiger]

well then, your worries are reality, give it some fucking mechanics.

@devs wewlad

[regal monolith]

Lol how

I’ve never died to a deino lunge in like a year

[tight oxide]

deino is slower on land and is basically water locked yet loses to stego even when it goes for an ambush... not exactly fun

[echo tiger]

afk in a pool for 20 hours and wait until some dingle dong cannibaloid comes in and touches you as you die in agony, sounds pretty irrelevant to me

[trail mason]

wdym how? It can destroy your dinosaur in seconds if it drags you into the water unless stego

[regal monolith]

Deinos only actual good trait is it’s ability to body steal

[regal monolith]

Just drink from a safe location?

[trail mason]

eeeeeh

that works but what if the deino is in the safe location

unless you're talking about a shallow area

[regal monolith]

? It’s called a safe location for a reason

[trail mason]

whats stopping a deino from chilling there

[regal monolith]

They’re stupid I guess? Or it’s just not we’re a lot of people hang, so they naturally avoid them.

Swamp is safe

NW river jungle is pretty safe

And south river is safe

[trail mason]

do they seriously not hang out at swamp

[regal monolith]

That’s like, most of the map with safe spots lol

[regal monolith]

Yeah

[trail mason]

lmao what

[regal monolith]

It’s boring there and it’s less of a hotspot then center river

I’ve literally swam across swamp as teno multiple times

no deinos

[trail mason]

I kicked a subadult deino to death at swamp a day ago

but it didnt know how to alt bite

[spare hearth]

#general-feedback message
No fr, I’ve talked to a lot of players in game and most of them say that they’d rather not nest either because it’s too buggy to do or that they feel it’s a waste of time because of the difficulty of caring/protecting hatchlings

[cobalt quest]

dude I've only done it 4 times and ive had THAT many issues. it's comically bad

i haven't had one female (0-4) that could successfully lay eggs without logging out or having to run out of render then back to the nest

at least the whole hatchling in process seems very not buggy and caring for the hatchlings isn't very hard or buggy either

[arctic nest]

makes you think they didnt take months to roll this out and didnt playtest it lmao

[cobalt quest]

im assuming some of these are genuinely hard to fix but come on -79°? that's probably just a visual bug that could be fixed in seconds

[arctic nest]

lmao my eggs went like -100 when i left it a bit

i was so confused lmao

[cobalt quest]

literally colder than anywhere on earth eggs

[arctic nest]

lmao sent the eggs to outer space

[cobalt quest]

pairing is the worst though
I've spent over an hour just trying to pair before

[spare hearth]

The only bugs I’ve had are not being able to build the nest and the prompt for it saying it cant find the input (changing the build nest key didn’t work), and also not being able to feed young

[cobalt quest]

like i can't tell you how fucking tired i am off hearing teno moaning

[arctic nest]

lmao i just find myself like

i do the pair animation,he does the pair animation but we aint paired

[spare hearth]

Lmao yea pairing ive had trouble with too actually, works half the time

[arctic nest]

so i do the pair animation again,doesnt work,than it shows me way later for ssome reason

[spare hearth]

I remember them saying they were gonna have it so you grow an affinity towards a player by constantly 2 calling and then you could court but idk what happened to that

[cobalt quest]

i had to try and pair tenos when it first came out as my first nest and GOD the 'URRRRUUUUHH' of the male teno is like
in my nightmares now i got so frustrated after an hour

[arctic nest]

oh god im glad they didnt do this

the noise that would make lmao

[cobalt quest]

i wish the whole courting thing was optional
like
it's so buggy if there was an 'invite' option you could do to circumvent the whole buggy process?

easy
good. done bam

[arctic nest]

na bro its realism 🤓

[spare hearth]

Honestly the amount of time spent on courting animations was a waste, I feel like that could have been added wayyyy later when they had the time to really think them out cuz they just look so outta place

[cobalt quest]

they could've made them less terrible and weird as well
i would preferred like basic head shaking to. the weird fullbody flexing and wailing for 30 seconds of my life

[arctic nest]

yeah this is one of my biggest problems with the game rn why add fucking nesting when the games lacking in content/playables?add nesting later lmao

[spare hearth]

Like oh yea its neat to have, but make the animators spend more time on animating the new payables, after the gore and night vision update, thats allllllll i want, more playable dinos, FUCK humans

[arctic nest]

i just want cerato in the game already man

cerato my beloved

[spare hearth]

FR GIVE US MORE DINOS

[arctic nest]

also troodon gona be cool as shit lmao

[cobalt quest]

troodon will be hell

it'll be so buggy. so buggy

[spare hearth]

IT WOULD FIX THE STATE OF THE GAME BY HAVING SEVERAL DINOS IN ALL TIERS

[limber hull]

troodon cool as hell

[arctic nest]

i hope troodon outcompetes utah,fuck them deinon wanabe

[limber hull]

utah destroys troodon 100%

[arctic nest]

i know but i like to imagine it wont

[limber hull]

utah has speed, agility and the damage required to essentially one-tap any troodon it catches

[limber hull]

how? there's nothing about it that seems to be particularly possible to be insanely buggy

[cobalt quest]

it's gonna come out and like
a: get stuck in everything
b: be so low big dinos like carno won't hit it
c: it's venom is going to be bugged and probably un-usable on release

[limber hull]

if hypsi doesn't, troodon won't

troodon bigger than hypsi

[arctic nest]

i mean

[cobalt quest]

hypsi get stuck on every rock exactly

[arctic nest]

carno has trouble hitting hypsi

the venoms probably gona be either ass or really good on release

[limber hull]

everything has trouble hitting hypsi, it's tiny, agile and can jump a mile

[cobalt quest]

it's venom is a TIME OF DAY BASED HALLUCINOGENIC as well. we all know that will not work on release

[limber hull]

no it isn't

that's dilo

troodon doesn't have that

[arctic nest]

no what i mean is a carno can bite on something small(like hypsi,but this happens with rabbits/chickens too),and not be able to hit them while on top of them

[cobalt quest]

dilos is not only hallucinations.

dilos is an anticoagulant. that's confirmed

[limber hull]

????

[cobalt quest]

it's been an anticoagulant since release LOL

[limber hull]

all we know is dilo is a hallucinogen

[dire ridge]

??

[cobalt quest]

ask any dev it's. an anticoagulant. it's had it since legacy

[limber hull]

i've NEVER seen any dev state anything about anticoagulant

[dire ridge]

Since legacy ? What

Never heard of that

[limber hull]

it only bled so much since they hadn't implemented venom, so they just made it bleed a ton instead

[arctic nest]

to be fair since legacy is a shit game its probably just a lot of bleed

and like thats its excuse for having a ton of bleed

[dire ridge]

It is x)

[cobalt quest]

yeah just go toss punch a dm if you want. it's an anticoagulant.

[limber hull]

i just searched it, no dev has EVER confirmed that

[cobalt quest]

i can try and dig for the official if ya want cause it is there

[limber hull]

it's only been confirmed to cause hallucinations

[cobalt quest]

pats gently
it's an anticoagulant as well
BUT

we're off topic.

[arctic nest]

i wonder how hallucinations will work tho

[cobalt quest]

this isn't feedback anymore LOL

[limber hull]

also, again, troodon doesn't cause hallucinations, that's still dilo's thing

[dire ridge]

More like, dilo doing a ton of bleed and you said to yourself
"Anticoagulant"

[limber hull]

i've never seen an official confirmation of that

[dire ridge]

Same

[arctic nest]

tbh would be really cool but also really bad if it was anticoagulant

imagine utah and dilo mixpack sheesh

[limber hull]

i reckon anticoagulant should be a megalania thing

[arctic nest]

oh hell yea

[limber hull]

since the real-ass komodo has that exact type of venom

[arctic nest]

yup

how big is megalania anyways?

[dire ridge]

Agreed

[arctic nest]

like ingame atleast

[limber hull]

like around one ton

not exceptionally large, but a good chunk above most small-tiers

[arctic nest]

thats p good lmao i expected something more like utah

[limber hull]

but yea, im still SUPER hyped for troodon. Doubtful it's going to be THAT buggy but whatever

[cobalt quest]

i hope not!

[arctic nest]

im so scared for balannce when new dinos get added tho

[cobalt quest]

but i do not have high hopes given every single new combat mechanic released has had issues

every. single. one.

[limber hull]

i dont think troodon HAS that many new combat mechanics

[arctic nest]

like we dont even have that much dinos and the balancing is ASS rn

[limber hull]

its getting a pounce so basically just utah code again

[arctic nest]

wait wtf troodons geting pounce???

[limber hull]

according to filipe it's getting a "quick venom pounce" or whatever he called it

only thing "new" about its combat is the venom

[arctic nest]

oh god 💀

PLEASE NOT MAGNET POUNCES AGAİN

[cobalt quest]

yeah well seeee...

[limber hull]

nvm he called it "quick bite pounce" which is what applies the venim

[arctic nest]

oh

[cobalt quest]

it's gonna be an alt bite probably but who knows

[arctic nest]

it should be something really quick like,jump on the dino,apply the venom and latch off right away

[limber hull]

so its not a "rip and tear" pounce, its more than likely a latch, bite, dismount

[arctic nest]

exactly

we dont need utah but venom lmao

[limber hull]

it probably wont need you to buck since it wont hang on

[cobalt quest]

well i doubt troodon will attach at all, the concept shows it being more wolf like and biting vulnerable areas to apply venom rather than pouncing

[limber hull]

doubtful, that's more than likely its RMB ability

[limber hull]

there's leaked animations of the bastard pouncing and biting the side of whatever it is it hits

the thing has like 300 animations atm

its absurd

[arctic nest]

hey man,concept showed carnos being able to fight tenos

dont trust concept

[cobalt quest]

ooh that's fun then
better to counter it with if it does jump

[limber hull]

it even seems to be able to pin in animations

[gaunt canopy]

Expecauly since it’s living relative Komodo dragon has that type of venom

[cobalt quest]

okay so yeah it has a bunch of mechanics it's gonna be buggy as shit

[limber hull]

the concept art also showed a teno beat the shit out of two carnos

[cobalt quest]

but again
this is no longer feedback.

[limber hull]

if the utah pounce works, troodon's would too

[cobalt quest]

this is #isle-discussion

[limber hull]

same shit

[arctic nest]

i mean

does it really matter its discord servers

[limber hull]

counterpoint, i dont care enough to change channels

[arctic nest]

doesnt change much lmao

[limber hull]

(also isle discussion has a longer slowmode)

(i am petty yes)

[cobalt quest]

given the fact the channel description LITERALLY SAYS you're not supposed to burry feedback discussion with relevant stuff and the channel and to discuss things from #general-feedback ?

please do so. it's general courtsey!

[tribal heart]

considering we ve had a stress-test for months and 6 months of development - how can this happen?
general feedback on the nesting mechanic: it currently has too many issues to be usable at this time. here are the bugs i have encountered WHILE ONLY HAVING TRIED NESTING 4 TIMES:
-one or both dinosaurs cannot enter the courting animation despite looking at the other and being within range
-one can only enter their courting animation after the first dinosaur finishes theirs.
-dino A's character screen will say they are paired with dino B, but dino B's will not say that they are paired at all.
-after pairing, the nest icon does not come up and one cannot begin building anywhere (even in valid spaces like nesting grounds).
-only one of the pair can build the nest.
-nest will begin being created, and magically pop out of existence while being actively created.
-sticks do not show up with sniff minimap.
-sticks showing up for random juveniles of different species on their minimap? wtf the little fucker is taking my sticks and running away get back here--
-female cannot lay eggs in finished nest.
-one or both partners (usually it's only the male) do not get the egg 'temperature' meter even when sniffing and cannot properly incubate the eggs.
-one partner can ALWAYS see the temperature of the eggs, even from across the map.
-eggs at -79 degrees Celsius???
-eggs refusing to rot.
-bad eggs clogging up nests without rotting, resulting in whole nest needing to be destroyed and good luck doing the process again.
-pitch black hatchlings with broken skins that turn into defaults when they log out.

stress-test was a marketing gag, nothing more tbh

[arctic nest]

yall remember when the isle was good

[limber hull]

yea, last time i played it

so like, a few days ago

that was pretty good

[arctic nest]

Ok

[limber hull]

:)

[lapis swallow]

Yeah, the last time I played it, it was pretty cool too. Almost died multiple times in various ways, but I survived. Solid game experience

[limber hull]

i really like how people pretend the Isle used to be better

[lapis swallow]

From what I heard it was PoT

A dinosaur chatting room

[limber hull]

I'd rather "inconsistent nesting" and "lighting look somewhat bad" to "if i log out i lose my dinosaur forever", "a dryo just soloed a stego" or anything about legacy

[dire ridge]

Its just free hate but as always, the people doesn't move on and stay to keep trashing the game

That's sad asf

[timid oyster]

Hi all. I have a problem, I can't use my mouse for axes. I can't define them please help me 🙂

[uneven mist]

Can’t you move your camera?

[proven river]

you can do a thing in the local app data thingamabob

if you go to pins in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 it might help you there

[timid oyster]

ok ty

[jagged jewel]

@proven river elite fish are 3.8 times bigger than our deer

and coelecanths are the same size as our deer

our coelecanth is the smaller one on top

and weighs pretty much the same

[uneven mist]

Big coel when, that can eat juvis

[glass pecan]

#general-feedback message Humans are unnecessary in this game from my point of view, what I found striking about the whole game is the experience as a dinosaur. It would use all those megabytes that humans would occupy to add more dinosaurs and mechanics.

[limber hull]

personally, i'm a huge fan of humans conceptually

its something i really wanna experience with friends

[jagged jewel]

humans would work fine in game

[uneven mist]

I’m pretty exited for humans tbh, image walking to the docks or a huge building at night while hearing dilos and troodons

[low canopy]

i would take humans with looting/repairing/using vehicles/missions any day of the week over half the roster

[limber hull]

same

as long as humans aren't boiled down to "kill dinosaurs lol!" I'm happy

[uneven mist]

Same and i hope most weapions would be to protect itself from smals-smal mid tiers. Not something that can kill huge things like rex and sutch

[frail stag]

I love all the new Dino modals and concept art but I really think dinosaurs should have been first priority in this game because I think it’s ridiculous how we have to wait like 5 years for another couple dinos to come out all the playable dinos should have been in the isle scrims when the game came out so I think y’all should focus on releasing all the dinos that will be playable and I know a lot of ather isle players feel the same way and I don’t want to get board of the game for a few weeks then come back again and then get board again it’s just a big loop all I’m saying is we need more dinos and that should have been the main focus ages ago

[uneven mist]

The animals needs mechanics to function and its been stated my the devs that animals wil be the focus point after u6

[frail stag]

Alr sounds good 👌

[uneven mist]

I can kinda understand Why after u6 bc its a HUGE update and they most likely want that done before moving to dinos

And like i said, animals needs mechanics to function and to be unique, Herrera needs treeclinbing, beipi currents, cera gore and so on. The only Dino I see don’t need any new mechanics would be Gali

[limber hull]

egg stealing

[uneven mist]

Oh yeah forgot about that

And dust kick

[lapis swallow]

But that would be kind of a short distance blind, which we already have in the game

[tough holly]

Well, read my post about it

Only one deino can survive there 🥲

[jagged jewel]

as it should be

@vernal drum torvosaurus wouldn't fit in the isle

it would just play like bigger allo or smaller acro

also self upvote

[glass pecan]

The survival of humans is much more complex in terms of mechanics for what it offers, it requires weapons, ammunition, tools, clothing, buildings, mounts and, above all, extracting resources from almost anywhere... I see it as too much work to approach a proposal that already exists. I mean; at this moment The Isle is a unique, incomparable proposal. Why not keep it that way? The strong point of The Isle is the dinosaur experience I think, with the addition of multiplayer, I don't think I need anything more than to delve into that and get as much juice as possible, solving the errors that arise along the way, of course...

[limber hull]

now, the thing is, what you can't get from anywhere else is the experience of surviving an open world of player-controlled dinosaurs. In these games, usually you're facing off against AI of some sort, but I really like the twist of the "enemy" or animals being controlled by real people

[glass pecan]

Yes, I am not going to deny that it is attractive, but the possibility of surviving as a dinosaur on an island of dinosaurs (players) is already quite spectacular, at least I have the focus on that, I see the options for dinosaurs as more important and more depth in that experience than a battle royal between dinosaurs and humans, only that

[urban flax]

It's not a battle royale, it'd still be a survival game

There are other dinosaur-only survival games out there. There are other dino VS humans battle games. But dinos AND humans surviving together (or more likely against each other) in the same environment ? There is only Ark, and it's not good enough to deserve being the only one in its category.

[lapis swallow]

Ark is just another concept, you cant compare to the isle tbh

[glass pecan]

It seems to me that it is a very abrupt change that I don't know how it would look like, however I already like this proposal as it is, it just needs depth, at least in my opinion. Humans should have ranged weapons, the ability to build, create defenses and endless options. What could a dinosaur do against all that arsenal? I don't see it, the dinosaurs would inevitably remain in tier 2.

[lapis swallow]

No snipers

[urban flax]

Yeah, but a lot of people still compare them since they share the existence of dinosaurs and humans in a survival setting
And they're the only 2 games to do that

[limber hull]

mercenaries actually can't build, they're basically forced to stick to their own little pre-made buildings

tribals can build, sure, but they can't use guns

[lapis swallow]

Imagine tribals using guns

That would be horrible

[urban flax]

I'm sure they will be able to
But not in the way you think

[limber hull]

the most a tribal should be using a gun should be like a big fucking club

[urban flax]

yes

[limber hull]

Metal stick go thwack

[lapis swallow]

I really hope that a big gun that is fired without a silencer will make you go deaf for a short time

[limber hull]

The closest a tribal might get to a gun is a bow or thrown spear, which ain't going far enough or doing enough damage for a real considerable concern

[urban flax]

Maybe not make you deaf but should be hard from as far as a broadcast

[burnt bone]

Unless you’re a small dino

[urban flax]

I think that a spear thrown by a tribal could very well do more damage than most firearms

[limber hull]

i mean, even a "small" dino is still fucking huge for modern day standards of animals

[glass pecan]

I think when you buy this game you expect to control a dinosaur and do dinosaur things, you don't need anything else...

[lapis swallow]

Getting sniped from 50 meters away as a hypsi lol

[urban flax]

Or else, you read the steam store page and expect to see dinos VS humans

[limber hull]

which is why humans come as a pleasant surprise :)

[burnt bone]

The tribals aren’t exactly humans either.

[limber hull]

true

[lapis swallow]

I like the idea of humans. Even if I wont play them, they will make this game have a better experience while playing it

[limber hull]

me like being scared of things with friends

[uneven mist]

I wil play humans for the horror and thrill

[urban flax]

It's sad we'll never be able to play together mr [insert dino here]

[burnt bone]

That’s because legacy is still the one on the main page, hopefully this will change soon™️

[lapis swallow]

Same thing with the croc, I HATE playing it but it makes the games feeling ten times better

[limber hull]

speaking of