isle-lore-theories

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[fossil nebula]

Then theres me in the f-100 rn

climbing like a space ship

[hexed forge]

Lol

[lethal moat]

You should see my CAS in a Me-262

[hexed forge]

The CAS version of the Me-262 is just a nightmare

Worst nightmare for anyone whose on the ground

[lethal moat]

Big cannon go thunk

[low scarab]

Someone needs to edit Ben into the vat

[unborn knot]

Whats the cage thingy in the phase 3

[lethal moat]

Cloning/growth vat, or something similarly vat-esque

[unborn knot]

ahh so was he talking abt the lighting then>

in the uhhh lemme get it...

[lethal moat]

Probably

[unborn knot]

ok cool

thanks bud

[normal olive]

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-nightingale-stealth-rogue-thief-gif-12155254

[low scarab]

I hope we get to see those old old concepts even vega concepts on a future map

[meager junco]

Ummm

Map updates?

[lethal moat]

Wonder if the invisible wall is down

[zenith frigate]

i got a hypsi right outside docks

[meager junco]

Would be cool if some of docks got touched up

[hexed forge]

Send the thing

[hexed forge]

It did last patch if you didnt know, a lot of stuff was fixed and a new area

[hexed forge]

Check

[hexed forge]

Yay

[low scarab]

uh oh map changes

[low scarab]

u were quick w that one

[zenith frigate]

im gonna setup hysis on every server at every base

[meager junco]

As soon as he read map updates it was just a matter of when he’ll post it

[hexed forge]

Make sure to check the Docks.

[lofty swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/natiomal-lazy-day-happy-lazy-day-adventure-time-fat-and-lazy-finn-gif-12313868

until it ended...

[hexed forge]

Jack

Update

https://tenor.com/view/status-report-status-update-kowalski-status-report-kowalski-status-gif-23668188

[zenith frigate]

borders gone

[normal olive]

this is exactly what i remembered when i read "map updates" in the patch notes

[hexed forge]

Yahoo

[zenith frigate]

GUTS tunnel at docks has not been updated

[low scarab]

sad

[hexed forge]

Mmmmm

Im guessing its just bug fixes then

[zenith frigate]

but it says map updates

[hexed forge]

Map bug fixes can be map updates !!

[low scarab]

is this new or from the docks update

[hexed forge]

Not this patch, its from the patch before.

Dock Update 2.0 basically

[zenith frigate]

where the wall go

[hexed forge]

Well- Still some bugs left I guess.....

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-programmer-life-gif-14891409

[zenith frigate]

ok nothing different at docks

[acoustic osprey]

Where was this from?

[sonic rampart]

Dondi

[acoustic osprey]

Nice

[hexed forge]

[low scarab]

stream I always miss them 💀

[meager junco]

Isaac isaac! Look

[hexed forge]

Ehm..

Thats from discord, a picture sent by Dondi.

[low scarab]

oh really?

[hexed forge]

Yea

[low scarab]

someone lied..

https://tenor.com/view/bird-rain-anger-gif-26033379

[hexed forge]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

Yay

[fast forge]

It's nice to see GUTS stuff

I wonder how long until it's in our hands

probably a while

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/859369469482631168/1174008360723546122/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

Check the interior of buildings

[hexed forge]

Nothing

[acoustic osprey]

Quite so

Desk to the right matches with the image Don sent before

But this image is interesting
This hub being right connected to the overworld

As you can see plants behind the rex

[meager junco]

Maybe in perimeter?

[acoustic osprey]

I wonder if this is part of the closed entrance at Docks (the new top part)

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe
But we haven't seen those entrances yet there

So my bet is that this hub will be at the dock

Especially seeing as we have a tunnel there right now as well

Makes sense for them to work on a section of the map for GUTS

Rather than having it split up and all

[meager junco]

Good point,

I just wonder if they’ve thought about touching that up as well soon,
But maybe they’re waiting for a more finalized version of it

[acoustic osprey]

Mmm quite so

Almost feels like they don't really want to touch it (yet)
Docks being more nostalgic and more externally visual

[meager junco]

It did get a recent touch up but nothing major, just something that looks better visually

One of the entrances or something I forget

[hexed forge]

Oooo

[acoustic osprey]

could be

[acoustic osprey]

can't remember lol

[hexed forge]

The recent Dock change added a bunch more interior stuff, but that was universal (To all human structures), it also fixed a lot of the weird bugs. (Weird terrain inside human structures lol)

[acoustic osprey]

woop

[fast forge]

and you can actually reach the docks again?

[hexed forge]

yep

[hexed forge]

I will attempt to go to the Docks right now and compare it to that one spot to see if it matches.

[acoustic osprey]

this is so funny
just realised these buildings aren't wheelchair friendly

tried walking up the stairs but i'm too small
this is TERRIBLE BUILDING DESIGN!!

[fast forge]

welcome to early 90's buildings

[acoustic osprey]

No
welcome to soviet brutalism buildings

at least 90s buildings looked visually more appealing
especially going into the 00s

https://tenor.com/view/death-of-stalin-vodka-ussr-stalin-gif-22621665

[fast forge]

well soviet brutalist is the aesthetic, but you think these buildings were build in the 1960's?
I wasn't really talking aesthetics, I'm saying a lot less buildings had weelchair ramps back when AE would have placed those buildings (the ~1990's)

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[acoustic osprey]

if anything
i'd say late 70s into the 80s

[fast forge]

you think they started construction in the 70's?
I just figured it's an alternate universe to our own where that same brutalist style evolved at a later period (or some other such headcanon)

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say they likely started either in the late 70s or mid 80s

[fast forge]

or maybe AE just liked it

[acoustic osprey]

I don't believe AE started in the 1990s

[hexed forge]

I believe AE started in the 1960s

[acoustic osprey]

too small a window to become BIG

[fast forge]

That's fair, I never thought much about the history of the subsidiary

[hexed forge]

During the space race

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
Brutalism basically grew over a long period of time
especially thanks to the Soviets sustaining themselves for quite a while as inspiration

funnily enough relatively dying with the end of the USSR

like, I'd definitely say the general american 90s architecture-style was relatively brutal to some extent

[fast forge]

I just figured a lot of the infrastructure pertaining to dinosaurs was relatively recent, even if the apollo company was older

[acoustic osprey]

we have a real mix of different pockets of time (over the 2000s into the late 80s) on Gateway

in terms of actual objects and general things atm

we seem to be going less the route with legacy
being 'we are in 2017' (because it was 2017 then)

and more so
this is a unique story
not needing to adhere to when it's lore was created

[fast forge]

I wonder when they bought the island

[hexed forge]

Seems like they had it for awhile

[fast forge]

yeah it would have taken a long time just to build the infrastructure we've seen

[hexed forge]

Able to build giant domes, an entire underground network spanning across various different depths, etc.

yea

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, definitely more than 5 years at least

[hexed forge]

More than 10 imo.

[fast forge]

I could see the island being bought anywhere from the 1960's to the 1980's

[acoustic osprey]

that is why i gave 5 as a minimum
because we don't know how long it took for them to 'abandoned'
and when we play

because they likely still 'own' the islands when we play them

[hexed forge]

They just dont have full control of the island

[fast forge]

also companies change hands and names all the time, Apollo could have started as something much different and smaller, and they might have acquired the island through a merger or something like that

who knows

[hexed forge]

"Apollo Cafe" (Something like that, mightve not been "cafe" but did have Apollo in it)

Drove by a shop named like that before lol

[acoustic osprey]

why would you want Apollo as your cafe

[hexed forge]

Why not !!

[acoustic osprey]

why not dionysus

[hexed forge]

Ehm

[fast forge]

there are plenty of cafes with stupid names

although I like it

[acoustic osprey]

where is the cafe called 'stupid cafe'

[fast forge]

uhhhh

google just gives me "stupid idiot cafe" in roblox

[acoustic osprey]

damn

i should make one then
so if i make an order wrong
I told them it is in our name

[hexed forge]

Stupid lake

[acoustic osprey]

damn right

that lake probably doesn't even know what the difference is between a .flac vile and a .wav file!!

[hexed forge]

HEY

[hexed forge]

Im more stupid than a lake then

[acoustic osprey]

don't worry, i forgive you

[hexed forge]

Thanks

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-negotiations-bender-discussion-this-isnt-a-productive-area-of-discussion-gif-22517580

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979447259697676288/1296343374185627688/SPOILER_togif-1.gif

[hexed forge]

We are theorizing how "Stupid lake" could be related to the Northern Lake on Gateway !!

[acoustic osprey]

Hades... lake...

[fast forge]

I realized the other day, new players won't learn location names now with random spawning

[hexed forge]

Owned by Utah...Utahraptor..

[hexed forge]

We shall pass down the information of the ancients onto the new players.

[fast forge]

that is kinda how it's done with this game, isn't it?

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-agreed-we-are-agreed-we-agreed-gif-22136703

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek2-shrek-smiling-ogre-gif-17463374

just like legacy lore!!

[zenith frigate]

I made an oopsie

[hexed forge]

Oops

[zenith frigate]

THEY HAVE HIDDEN THE BOTTOM OF THIS TABLE FROM US

I AM OUTRAGED

[lethal moat]

Big Isle didn't want us to see that

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[median furnace]

hello again john

[crystal cairn]

this might be old news but

isn’t this different?

[fast forge]

nah we've seen that one

[crystal cairn]

or was it always in stages like that

infected, undead etc

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1294847257077878814/image.png?ex=6713177b&is=6711c5fb&hm=1037d9edba8c1cca640fef53e5f3c2d5f8eca72e264f0489898246aeb294f788&

This is old

Looks the same

[fast forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[crystal cairn]

okay just checking!

[fast forge]

np we appreciate it

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-discussion message

G.U.T.S. - The Industrial Hub

The Hub is a large layout composed of one main room and several smaller side areas, supporting multiple paths either through the main area or via smaller side doors. This design allows us—and future creators—to control how far larger animals can feasibly enter these locations, and it is used to connect various sectors and player footpaths to one area. The Hub I've shown today is an industrial sector hub: a loading area with side administration offices and a security overlook. This is commonly found as a facility entrance checkpoint or much further within G.U.T.S. itself to connect R&D or work sectors. The additional rolling shutters and doors within this design allow for up to ten possible connections leading to other locations.

thinking of putting these two into the doc some how

The TANKS.
unsure though on this one yet - as we do know Don wants to put Ben into a vat in-game
but, i don't know how sure Don was with this

either if he was making it up on the spot or being serious
But I'll still put it down as "The TANKS" and see what happens of such in the future

also with The (Industrial) Hub

seems to be less like TOMB or Tartarus
where it is a proper location-esque aspect

where it seems like GUTS will have several "Hubs"
this (what we saw in Phase Three) being just one of the central industrial hubs for GUTS

[acoustic osprey]

especially via this quote

The Hub I've shown today is an industrial sector hub

but I do want to mark it down on the Doc

just so people can understand navigating in the future
and what and/or where they could be in

G.U.T.S. Subsections:
The Hub: “large layout composed of one main room and several smaller side areas, supporting multiple paths either through the main area or via smaller side doors”
- Industrial Sector Hub
- Contains a loading area with side administration offices and a security overlook. Commonly found as a facility entrance checkpoint or much further within G.U.T.S. itself to connect R&D or work sectors. Has additional rolling shutters/doors which allow for up to roughly ten possible connections leading to other locations.

all right... should be all done now

still some touch ups to do on the doc though

so i changed the 'assets' section

two main bits

Known Asset Types/Archetypes:

and

Named Assets:

trying to differentiate singular and multipleof things

like
The Eyeless's description was very as if it was a single character
and then Gen2s and 1s being put right below it

didn't make sense

so i reordered it in terms of lore priority and/or for numbered order sake

basically being

Asset Types:

Dinosaurs
Gen1s
Gen2s
Eyeless

then named assets just has the main three new dino characters
then the rest from legacy

[hexed forge]

Interesting

[hexed forge]

Docks seem like a perfect fit for "industrial sector" imo

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[hexed forge]

Hope we get to see them soon.

[acoustic osprey]

being a 'hub' for new things coming in and out
having an administrative section as a bit of a border 'police' (not really policing though) between the underground and Docks makes sense

[hexed forge]

Yep.

[fading pivot]

Wtf is this ?

[lethal moat]

A vat, for cloning/growth/preservative, we don’t really know

[fading pivot]

Trains ?

[lethal moat]

What?

[acoustic osprey]

choo choo

[knotty locust]

OOOHHHH

I thought it was like, a vault entrance thing with the glowing floor lights

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[harsh cairn]

Can someone explain to me what punch is trying to say in the isle phase 3 post I don’t understand anything he said💀

[snow jasper]

You have G.U.T.S the General Underground Transportation System
Originally it was going to be a repetitive chain of points around the island that would make up as an efficient transportation system

Now it has an actual written purpose, with several planned "Hubs" each corresponding to a role on the island, what's shown off is the Industrial Hub so expect construction and heavy duty stuff and with general security stuff, Presumably an important location which will take several routes to different other hubs and areas dotted around the island

[hexed forge]

^

[median furnace]

sorry for being dumb but what are the names and differences between the humanoid stuff?

[lethal moat]

These are gen 1, gen 2 are the “normal humans”

[median furnace]

okay so what do these do

like do they jump on trees like weird monkeys or

[lethal moat]

Sacrifice things to the replicator, some of them are very good at climbing, they’re apparently living weapons, so I imagine they’re really good at killing people

[median furnace]

do we got any full body view?

theyre big right? like above 2m?

[lethal moat]

Several

[median furnace]

oh wow

[lethal moat]

They can also capture people alive for the fun sacrifice party

[median furnace]

and the replicator is some sort of god or?

[lethal moat]

The machines that create the life on the islands

[median furnace]

so its like an AI?

[lethal moat]

Partially, yes

[median furnace]

damn

well sorry for bothering ya il just read the doc

[lethal moat]

It’s all good, there’s also a lore server we built together if you’re interested

[median furnace]

oh yeah for sure please

[lethal moat]

I’ll DM you

[median furnace]

ty

[lethal moat]

@snow jasper do the thing

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/freddie-mercury-queen-another-one-bites-the-dust-gif-12588862

[hexed forge]

lol

[harsh cairn]

ahhh ok thank u i get it now, punch was dead speaking nonsense to me XD this makes more sense, may the isle gods bless u

[snow jasper]

lol

[knotty jolt]

I hope they give the GUTS the same complexity as rainworlds industrial areas just of course translated into three dimensions. Something like the iterator cities but with human built structures would really fit this game well. Especially since you can have an underground artifical environment then the surface is mostly natural environments so you get the best of both worlds

Abandonded/overgrown human structures are just such a cool biome when their designed well and this game could easily do their own take on it

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[fast forge]

anyone else notice the rex in this image?

[hexed forge]

Yes.

[fast forge]

liar

[hexed forge]

Rex also appeared in 3 other images

[fast forge]

Yes but he's harder to see in this one

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/noah-i-saw-it-ive-seen-it-i-seen-it-i-witnessed-it-gif-25837667

[lethal moat]

Rex is stinky, my mind immediately went to the forklift and Craig

[hexed forge]

^ Thats where the mind should be.

[meager junco]

Ima

https://tenor.com/view/meme-angry-punho-fechado-de-gif-26104429

[acoustic osprey]

https://youtu.be/m8nbF5vEYRk
just something really interesting, being that I've known about this for a few years now.
Just never understood what it was. (and still don't)

but, yeah, basically supposed to be a PCG-almost-esque Roblox revival of Primal Carnage
I have no idea if Dinosauriac even knows much about it

Just weird and wacky to see a niche but strong community basically redoing something in their own way

but it honestly feels almost like what we'd want to see The Isle human gameplay to be

like
current PCE lore is basically 'post-PI control' -> Send specialised mercs to kill the dinosaurs

but this seems (the roblox one) more akin to what we'd like to see with Isle
more observation, ranging, defending WHEN necessary

but these things likely turn out better for the Roblox game (then it likely will be for Isle) mostly due to the more Roleplayer nature of this, iirc.

but honestly
imagining this as an autopsy report for ERRANT-291 would be sick

alas
I do find it interesting.

Would like to know more
All i remember was streaming about Isle Lore once
a guy game in and told me about the PI in Roblox
and joined the discord

unironically, i believe it is also more active than PC/PCE is
which is crazy to think

[lethal moat]

I frankly don’t think we’ll ever are anything more on Errant 291

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah, what Don said, it is quite likely we won't

unless an autopsy report was made prior

[lethal moat]

Under the assumption that 291 was a saboteur, I would love to see a bit more on that aspect of things, security against people and the potential consequences

[median shuttle]

Maybe a future lore hunt, we can dream

[acoustic osprey]

hopefully no honestly

much prefer to see more original characters

but seeing as Don basically said no to having more on 'same characters'
i doubt we'd SEE more of ERRANT-291

but events related? Like the subtext to ERRANT-291 ... like if he was hired by a rival company, we see more on THAT rival company on hiring , etc

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/isle/images/a/a4/Building_concept_art.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200208125330

Something i refound after looking at old files
it'd be such an old easter egg if one of AE's rival companies was Pallas Corp.

[snow jasper]

what a lovely job is must be to provide a sketch of the body‘s wounds

[snow jasper]

Sorry to say this was shut down a while ago now, dont think its came back

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-wrong-answer-homer-red-button-gif-10856212

it was brought back up a few months back

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-cat-ai-cat-beer-mage-cat-gif-12868949205036685497

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-ragnarok-thor-bout-time-kratos-mjolnir-gif-27081444

[low scarab]

Please

[low scarab]

This looks a lot like perimeter

[acoustic osprey]

(or the one in Docks)

[gleaming vortex]

maybe the isle is jsut a simulation

[lethal moat]

Simulations can be real

[gleaming vortex]

what if its all just a video game?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[hexed forge]

I remember when that was actually a theory lol.

[acoustic osprey]

@hexed forge good news
I have continued the video ......

i finished my voice overing
and done around 6 mins of the editing

but it is 1am so i will continue tomorrow

i spend around 14 minutes going over F5....
whole vid seems to be just below 20 minutes

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-god-of-war-ragnarok-meme-perfect-gif-27213960

Yahoo

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-guitar-sunglasses-beard-wizard-gif-8056853888122559553

[hexed forge]

LOL

[hexed forge]

Uh oh..

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[snow jasper]

cheeseball!

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-hotdog-wizard-cat-hot-dog-gif-1543345772037504734

[coarse widget]

Yooo it’s crazy to see a clip of this game in here, I used to be a DA (dinosaur actor) in the game, I’ve got a few clips but sadly they don’t allow dinosaur clips to be shared outside the discord, unless I edit it and cover up the dinosaurs stats (it’s a rule they have, complicated to explain)

[normal olive]

So, I was thinking, we know strains will be obtainable though gameplay, and that apexes might come to the game, but what does that mean for strains?
Like, will strains be playable on officials? Do we have any information about that?

[lethal moat]

This is about it

[normal olive]

Hmmm

He said game tho, not officials, I'm not sure

I guess time will tell

I wonder if strains will have a trailer too

[lethal moat]

I hope so, would love to see Seiza's work with neuro spookiness

[normal olive]

I want to see a rex being jumped by a hyper carno and die

I wanna see the rex fan boys suffer

There is always a bigger fish

[snow jasper]

hope its as painstaking as it is unlocking the peacekeeper in BF1
on the additional stress of being forced to do it in an online environment

[hexed forge]

I really hope they are on officials

[normal olive]

Same

[hexed forge]

I do not trust unofficials, it is why I hate the idea of letting them control dino stats.

[lethal moat]

I'm the oppsite way, let the owners do what they want and let the people decide what they like

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/uncut-gems-disagree-i-disagree-adam-sandler-eye-glasses-gif-17788346

[lethal moat]

Those that don't know what they're doing will end up like a majority of the current unofficial servers, but there will be some exceptionally good stand outs

[hexed forge]

10 Dollar patreon to gain access to the overtuned Minmi 😁

[lethal moat]

Nahhhh, someone will do it well

[hexed forge]

The natural evolution of Isle Servers always end up with microtransactions/pay2win.

It is what happened to a certain server that I loved, I praised it infact. Yet it ended up like every other legacy server

Anyways this isnt really lore related.

So,

Where do we think that GUTS hub is on the map.

[lethal moat]

People will migrate

[hexed forge]

I think its probably going to be in the Docks area, continue to expand it someway

[snow jasper]

We can just forcibly remove them if the isle wanted to moderate it
But like thats ever gonna happen

[lethal moat]

I bet we'll get several areas with it, docks, probably the atrium, maybe that volcano bunker base for funzies

[hexed forge]

Yeah thats probably the case, several hubs across the map. But the first one is probably going to be in the current Dock area. Also I wonder if there is a monorail station at every/some GUTS hubs.

[fast forge]

I just got to the dock

[hexed forge]

Docks is blocked off?

[fast forge]

This spot where I'm standing used to be vegetation, now it's a road

No no, this is on the north side, they are putting a tunnel here

[hexed forge]

Send coords

[fast forge]

-254,573.096, 544,529.545, 21,860.982

[hexed forge]

Also would they use the Dock cranes to unload a monorail? Since Isle's monorail seems to be way larger than any other monorail.

[hexed forge]

Thats the south side

[fast forge]

I think this is a car tunnel, not monorail

[hexed forge]

And its not a tunnel

[lethal moat]

There's another entrance just to the left isn't there?

[hexed forge]

That road is the road that goes upward and connects with one of east plains roads.

Its not finalized since I just phase through it. But it exists

(Not a tunnel)

[lethal moat]

Secret tunnel!

We need to redo the GUTS entrances map

[hexed forge]

NO !!

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1257740793100238959/1297031596364402738/4x-1.gif

Give me 5 minutes

[fast forge]

My first image would be on the left side of this image
#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

Yep

Its not a tunnel, just unfinished terrain.

The road will go beside a cliff, just like one of those legacy concepts

Who has that one concept art

[fast forge]

so it would be a short tunnel
There are lots of tunnels on coastal highways because some hills you can't go around, it's easier to go through

I know this because I've driven through plenty of them

I could be wrong of course

[hexed forge]

Maybe, Maybe not.

[hexed forge]

All of the GUTS tunnels on the eastern side.

I will make the entire map one

I have a feeling that East Plains has a bunch of caves under it.

[lethal moat]

Pretty sure there's some closed ones on the northern bits of Docks as well

[hexed forge]

Those aren't necessarily Guts Tunnels, more like a facility that goes into the cliff. Which looks extremely similar to the GUTS hub entrance.

[lethal moat]

It might be tho

[hexed forge]

Similar doors

[lethal moat]

mhm

[hexed forge]

Then anything that has a doorway that goes into the cliff is a GUTS tunnel.

[lethal moat]

Also, that's terrible workplace saftey, they shouldn't block doors with containers

[hexed forge]

We built all three doors,

We shall use all three doors.

(Very important poster that should be placed there)

Craig got bored and decided to play Jenga with the containers

[lethal moat]

Tsk tsk

[hexed forge]

Is this supposed to simulate that Craig dropped the container and broke the pipe.

[lethal moat]

Dammit craig

[fast forge]

eh they mighta been kicked around by something big

[lethal moat]

They're stacked nicely on the right side

Maybe craig was trying to trap an dino inside to keep everyone safe

[hexed forge]

I dont think even Dean is capable enough of stacking them perfectly

[fast forge]

oh that! yeah it's fine to block off a door, especially if there is stuff on the other side

[hexed forge]

I dont think they were trying to trap something

[lethal moat]

Let craig be a hero

[hexed forge]

Gets killed by Minmi in the end

[fast forge]

that's my fate

[snow jasper]

craig is an opp

he pees on the toilet seat and doen't wipe it

OPP

[lethal moat]

Do not slander craig's memory like that

[snow jasper]

No way did you just say that people who pee and leave said pee on the toilet seat have memory issues
They're the most abominable scum of the earth

and Craig is one of them!

[lethal moat]

Craig is not one of them, craig is a respectable gentleman who saved dozens during the evacuation of the island

[lofty swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-finn-shocked-jaw-drop-in-awe-gif-3736792

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/pete-postlethwaite-drinking-coffee-drinking-lancashire-england-uk-gif-20482786

[normal olive]

who is craig?

[hexed forge]

Fanmade name for a forklift driver in The Isle

[patent ginkgo]

Me (this is incorrect)

[snow jasper]

isn't his first appearance in the hyper giga drawing from tap?

wasn't even a forklift, was driving a jeep or buggy of sorts

[snow jasper]

hideous face

also how do you end up in a situation like that given the environment

its in the open along the beach shoreline

[median furnace]

idk hypos are fast

and cars arent really fast in water

[snow jasper]

hypers*
Sorry, just the No.1 rule with Lore

But ehhh, theres so much that Craig could've done to not be in that situation

[hexed forge]

Craig is a recent fanmade name

[hexed forge]

Hypers

[hexed forge]

OH

WOAH

I didnt know that.

[snow jasper]

yep yep

[hexed forge]

Craig has some deep lore

[patent ginkgo]

Craig

[hexed forge]

Craig

[patent ginkgo]

Craig’s favorite burger ^

[snow jasper]

craig is from Württemberg

[lethal moat]

I heard craig took out 3 hyper carnos with him

[hexed forge]

He also wrestled a Sub-Adult Hyper Spino to death

[lofty swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-wtf-finn-screaming-gif-12302559

(I'm joking, hyper's are cool, just didn't know why they would change such a meaningless thing for the lore, I mean it's TWO LETTERS)

[spark egret]

Hyper sounds a lot better tbh

[acoustic osprey]

looks like potentially some mud

or a muddy sandy river?

[acoustic osprey]

meaningless!!!??

[strange shell]

They didn't change such a meaningless thing for the lore
It's always been hypers, never hypos
Also it completely changes the very meaning of the word

[acoustic osprey]

(unless you include the time it was abbreviated to such in Progression)

[snow jasper]

shale

if its a river, it‘d be the mouth of a river at the ocean, its all flat, waves go on till the mountains in the back

[acoustic osprey]

nah looks like an ocean

[hexed forge]

Mm

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[fast forge]

I wonder what we'll get for halloween this year

[hexed forge]

Probably a lore video.

[acoustic osprey]

did somebody say lore video!

[hexed forge]

NO

[fast forge]

yes

[hexed forge]

Blue: Monorail GUTS Entrances.
Light Blue: Predicted Monorail Track.
Red: GUTS Entrances.
Yellow: GUTS Tunnel.
Dotted Yellow: Future/Unfinalized GUTS tunnel.
Purple: Future/Unfinalized GUTS Entrances.
Pink: Potential GUTS Hubs.
Green: Sidenote.

Yay....

@lethal moat I finished the GUTS prediction thing.

uh

I don't know what that random Orange line on the side is.

[patent ginkgo]

Me

[lofty swallow]

does it though? I mean, yeah, but like,

[tribal bobcat]

You're lore video was very interesting! Little to much for my brain lol. Nice work lightclaw!💪

I find it amazing that people such as you can find things in every video. Might be me being stupid 😄

[hexed forge]

Watch the video frame by frame.

[snow jasper]

what does the orange line on the far right represent?

[hexed forge]

Good question.

It represents Tartarus, somewhere, who knows.

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/pete-postlethwaite-drinking-coffee-drinking-lancashire-england-uk-gif-20482786

[lethal moat]

Nice

[tribal bobcat]

[lethal moat]

That is genuinely the answer

Watch it through once, view it as intended, then spend some time picking through it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1297280251893649508/image.png?ex=671602a2&is=6714b122&hm=a2dfcf65a0e87361b57889981b0321f47550476990addb8ad549a519a4b9b243& Like this bugger

[hexed forge]

mhm

Also I think I just realized why this is called "West Access" lol

There might be something important there...maybe...

[lethal moat]

I can see docks there in the future

[snow jasper]

I always have seen docks there, it uses older spiro dock assets

[tribal bobcat]

I will do that to the next lore video they drop 👍

[hexed forge]

My brain went to "Airstrip" for some reason.

But yeah Docks will definitely be there, since its in the old concept.

[hexed forge]

Different types of plant variations

[hexed forge]

East Dome is gone, There's just a giant swampy pond, and there might be underwater caves

[fast forge]

no the pond wasn't in the spot of east dome

it was much closer to the port, near the coast

I remember seeing these stones far in the distance

[fast forge]

Did you catch the bit about certain animals who normally have MZ in northeast can also find patrols in the far west

Pretty sure that's pachy

[hexed forge]

Yes

That's already a thing and its the case for most herbis

[hexed forge]

Also if those underwater caves become a thing.

I wonder if the GUTS tunnels that go under there are flooded

Since we have 3 different tunnels going into the eastern area lol

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/pouring-rain-tunnel-gif-12224726

[hexed forge]

Mhm

[snow jasper]

flooded guts tunnels sound kewl

[sly merlin]

Maybe weather events trigger the flooding or not

[sly merlin]

If ground level guts tunnels had the rain seeping out like that a rex coming out of there would be so tough

[lethal moat]

You know the scene where they hide behind the waterfall in the second jurassic park movie (and in the first book)

[fast forge]

and rex has a prehensile tongue for some reason

[fast forge]

I always figured an underwater cave is the cause of that one saltwater lake in south plains

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/visible-confusions-gif-24177109

[fast forge]

you know the last waterfall at the south plains river? it dumps into a saltwater pond

and I figured it was linked to the ocean

[acoustic osprey]

Thanks swag

Another Dome deleted....

[fast forge]

the domes kinda blocked movement across the map, I get it

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[patent ginkgo]

Good.

Makes room in the design for horrible subterranean greenhouse of secrets

[acoustic osprey]

If you want an efficient map
Make one giant Plains

[patent ginkgo]

Australian Outback map

[acoustic osprey]

Deleting something like that just hurts navigation via landmarks

[snow jasper]

bring back BP 😇

[lethal moat]

Put a random radio tower in the woods

[hexed forge]

I still don't get how an underwater cave can cause that.

[fast forge]

if water can flow into a lake from the ocean, then it will become salty like the ocean

[hexed forge]

It might comeback when domes are actually needed, right now it seems like a waste of space when you try to update the map

[acoustic osprey]

Idk sounds like an excuse

[hexed forge]

Yeah.....

But where do the underwater caves go into that equation

[fast forge]

okay so follow me

the lake is saltwater right now

[hexed forge]

Yes

[fast forge]

I wondered how it could be that way

[hexed forge]

Ocean tides

[fast forge]

it is pretty far from the ocean

[hexed forge]

It's not

Especially since we know that entire coast area is horribly unfinalized/it broke. (Perhaps because of the UE5 switch)

[fast forge]

there is a freshwater lake between this saltwater one and the ocean? it's not the tides

I'm just saying these two bodies of water are connected underground
There is currently a ridge between them so the tides aren't going over it

[hexed forge]

Might be a case of that area just being completely broken then.

Maybe that area was connected before

@acoustic osprey hey oldie

How was South Plains during the 2022 ST

[acoustic osprey]

It was like that still

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[acoustic osprey]

Just the River going into it was broken
But everything there is basically the same

[hexed forge]

Ehhh

Ima just hold it off as that area being broken.

[patent ginkgo]

We’ve been told that coastal area will be redone, potentially with sea caves and the likes, and that that salt lake may be connected as well.

[hexed forge]

Mmmmm

[patent ginkgo]

The sanctuary over there was the start

[hexed forge]

Then maybe

[sly merlin]

Yup that exactly

[sly merlin]

Lore, is just… lore.

Also how are strains gonna work are you gonna need certain mutations to become one?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/witch-shes-a-witch-point-witches-witchfinder-gif-17759256

[sly merlin]

Haven’t seen you in a while

How you been bud

[lethal moat]

It’ll be something players can earn, we don’t know much beyond that

[strange shell]

You forgot the middle word in this channel's title

[abstract schooner]

sorry didnt know where else to post this

if you have a suggestion then i'm all ears

[strange shell]

I'm actually not sure what kind of answer you are expecting

[abstract schooner]

don't really need an answer, just needed to share this somewhere and couldn't figure out a better place for it.

[fast forge]

This probably would fit better in #general-feedback or #general-feedback-discussion , this is the lore channel

[abstract schooner]

awesome thank you i will remove it and post it there instead.

[sonic rampart]

AI? Really?

[strange shell]

It's not AI made

[sonic rampart]

Smells like it

[abstract schooner]

not ai made, just how i organize my thoughts

[patent ginkgo]

Do we know if ingen is a true branch, and if it means anything for design ideas related to lore?

[sonic rampart]

No aka None aka Legacy branch aka normal steam UI

[patent ginkgo]

Oh lol

I didn’t even think about that, I’ve gotta get more sleep

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 get the role “asset protection”

[hexed forge]

Mmmmmm

[lethal moat]

This video makes a good argument for why I don't think the replicator isn't sentient, if it were sentient, it could do so much more than make dinosaurs https://youtu.be/fa8k8IQ1_X0

[clever marlin]

wth is this red thing in the middle??

[clever marlin]

oh.

that looked a LOT scarier without the brightness

like a mound of flesh hanging from the ceiling idk lmao

[lethal moat]

[low scarab]

Not kurtzgesagt 💀💀💀

[patent ginkgo]

Love that channel, taught me a lot of useful/interesting stuff. I’ll have a look in a bit

[hexed forge]

Will listen to it now.

[median furnace]

the duality of man

[iron anchor]

well if it becomes sentient there’s no reason for it to care about expanding forever, it’s a bit hard to imagine what would drive a mind that has no instincts, emotions, brain chemicals, morals, etc

maybe there’s some universal law where it can’t be sentient without them?

[patent ginkgo]

lol

[ornate comet]

whats wrong with kurtzeg

[hexed forge]

Nothing

[lethal moat]

I’m curious to know if there are any beings on the islands that were alive when the islands were originally abandoned

Depending on how long the islands have been alone for, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some survivors off the island, but I feel like unless there is a creature that is constantly there as either a feature or an environmental hazard that we haven’t seen yet, anything on the island for that long would have to be dead or in hibernation

[wispy sundial]

The matriarch 🤔

[lethal moat]

Eh, if the throughline idea of tapwing’s unofficial story ends up being true:
a) there are multiple matriarchs
b) the one that did survive that long evolved past the point of efficiency and died

[wispy sundial]

💔💔💔

[lethal moat]

I do get the feeling tisso’s weakness is going to have something to do with their regeneration being off somehow, rotting bits of flesh on the parts that are still attached but need to replaced

[acoustic osprey]

In Legacy
Matriarch had children

So not really Taps story on that such

[lethal moat]

Matriarch with budding reproduction sounds fun

Rip off a finger and leave it, it’ll grow a new matriarch

[knotty locust]

arguably, the sauropods and the large theropods

since theyre believed to have lived for very lengthy times

[acoustic osprey]

i'd argue other way around

[knotty locust]

i imagine dean and shirley were tested upon, and subsequently outlasted the scientists

[knotty locust]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-tf2solider-dr-lalve-53135-gif-18914967

[acoustic osprey]

if there was no super large timeframe between loss and 'when we play'

but we also lack the understanding of how it 'fell apart' in the first place

i argue small just because of the easier, lighter and smaller nature of smalls

that they need to sustain less
move less
and kill less

but that depends on what happens and how sustainable as an ecosystem Gateway and other islands are

or are they all 'monitored' / maintained by The Replicator to some extent

[lethal moat]

To some extent, I believe so

[knotty locust]

the shrew lives a shorter life than the elephant

[acoustic osprey]

I still believe a super intelligent AI can do this
i know you don't believe to that degree though, Rump

But, for me, it doesn't assume that we know all AIs must 'take over'
or always lust over Human control / domination

Can a being / existence not have some sort of dominion over other things?
Being a god-esque sort of being for its own place of home?

i mean
look at Aslan from Narnia

explicitly looking at him from the books
from the The Magician's Nephew

[knotty locust]

the replicator becoming intelligent enough to realise that control is overrated/not worth its time and then loops back around to what it originally was

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
to some extent

turning itself less to some all mighty tyrannical anti-christ-esque GOD
to something more like Zeus, but by itself

[lethal moat]

I rather doubt it

[lethal moat]

It can be a god without knowing it’s doing so

[acoustic osprey]

yes
a shrew can live for around 2-3 years
but all these dinosaurs are still larger than shrews
basically, Hypsi being approx 5 years sound right

If there was literal 'environmental' support for these islands
especially IF the islands need support

if, when we play, is more than 5-10 years?
Then yeah, i'd imagine sauropods and larger theropods being the last
but I definitely believe, at least in terms of the relevance of time, for the time we play being around a few years post-departure

why would they not try to come back as soon as they can?
What barriers may stop them? or slow them down?

these being more rhetorical in nature
we're yet to really know

sure we can look at the boot up menu, which may have some clues, but this is just a blue version of legacys
so highly likely to be inaccurate

[acoustic osprey]

i see it as either:
If it has intelligence - it would, or, something synonyms like mother of all ... Gaia level stuff
if it has no intelligence, basically just a machine - it is just a powerful machine

[lethal moat]

I don’t think Apollo did enough for it to have actual intelligence, thus, powerful machine for gene editing and asset creation

[acoustic osprey]

Aslan being basically quite a god of creation
someone who let time run its place

wasn't all super powerful like GOD god
but still basically 'created' everything

When he saw The Witch run off
he let her live, despite knowing what she would do

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
both seem on the same level of doing for AE/Apollo

one is creating life, but sticking it to a computer
and the other being creating life, but it is full flesh and able to move in a body

ignoring also being able to contain the main of a person as an embryotic profile

why would they not be able to create intelligence?

[lethal moat]

Creating life and creating advanced intelligence are very different, that may be why the thousand life contract is necessary

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't say very different
what differentiates the creation of a complete body and of a mind?

they can contain minds and move them around
create life, especially new and unique life
I don't believe making consciousness to be uniquely very different

if anything
a final step

why wouldn't they want to achieve such?

[lethal moat]

Do souls exist and are they important

A tool to move around copies of people’s brains and a tool that can think for itself would require two very different efforts

[acoustic osprey]

more or less, maybe.
but

what is the difference between a unique animal you have created - that is able to wonder around, eat and socialised with its dinosaur selves
and a hyper intelligent machine being?

where would you describe the point for a creature where one might have a soul/intelligence/consciousness/mind

or
is this something where I imagined for that The Replicator ||especially if it is a machine|| simply creates a body
and [REDACTED] gives (what is made - the body) it's mind

[lethal moat]

One is copying genetics from other creatures and one is computing on a scale only ever seen in human brains (and potentially beyond)

[acoustic osprey]

but what does this have to do with those animals and their mind?
Sure they may not be able to do complex or even simple math

but they still have emotions, socialise with fellow creatures from their species, etc
would you deny that they may have a soul/intelligence/consciousness, to any degree?

[lethal moat]

Brains are built by cells that are programmed by genes in the cells, it’s a lot easier to copy and reuse nature’s work than to make your own from scratch

[acoustic osprey]

but then why not start from using a human brain to build off for The Replicator's brain?

[lethal moat]

Why does the replicator need a brain?

[acoustic osprey]

not really a great question

because the question is if The Replicator has intelligence
the only way for intelligence is a neurological system, therefore having a brain to some degree

you would have to assume such creature would either have a physical brain
or a digitised brain based off, potentially, aspects like servers

sure how do you digitise the brain?

Yes it is a sci-fi aspect

but how do EIPs work?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[acoustic osprey]

there must be some sort of understanding of translating brains / consciousness

maybe they never got to the point of making a pure AGI for The Replicator / or something else

[lethal moat]

I feel like making AGI is a bit shortsighted for AE

[acoustic osprey]

but I do believe they must've played around and have research on the subject of the digital/technological-esque world in relation to storing the mind

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
it may not be ASI

but AE must've had, potentially had at least, some sort of interest in creating a human-like mind all digitally

[lethal moat]

They’ve got to know at least a decent amount about brains, but that doesn’t directly translate to developing programs that can act like brains

[lethal moat]

I don’t see the point in making one from scratch digitally, seems like it would only cause problems with very little to profit from off doing it

[acoustic osprey]

a lot of these things don't seem very beneficial to be fair
especially the large dinosaur aspect of creation

AE definitely have RnD aspects, especially RnD locations
so i don't doubt the fantasy of creating a mind purely distinct from a body wouldn't have come up

[lethal moat]

Maybe

I’m just of the opinion that it’ll cause problems, maybe they did do it and maybe that’s what happened

[acoustic osprey]

can't know if you don't try though!

[lethal moat]

Yolo

[strange shell]

plants disagree

[acoustic osprey]

in this case
yol1

[lethal moat]

Yol999

[acoustic osprey]

is it really a brain though

[strange shell]

I mean plants don't have brains but they have intelligence

[acoustic osprey]

interesting

[wispy sundial]

Dinosaurs are just mushrooms guys, that's why we just spawn randomly out of the floor.

[unborn kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/orks-ork-waaaagh-slugga-boy-dawn-of-war-gif-15592891

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/zzz-plant-pvz-fungi-sleeping-gif-20564257

[unborn kestrel]

So I have a random line of thought thanks to a late night session, is it possible that the Gen2 are being sent back to the island in order to restore facilities for some purpose? It would add a fun mechanic to human gameplay, as I can imagine that just moving about shooting and hiding could feel slow at times

[acoustic osprey]

oh yes, it seems quite likely so

good prediciton

[unborn kestrel]

Would be a good way of adding a sort of “nesting” mechanic for them also, allowing them to restore a facilities power and maintain the facility while still having to go out to scavenge for things, say an AE support crate appeared (imagine it as a human version of migration routes)

[wispy sundial]

Counter argument, turn human gameplay into a zoo keeper simulator where you (try) to take care of dinosaurs in your server

[median furnace]

what if replicator is a glados esque situation where it has a employees mind uploaded

[unborn kestrel]

I’ll let you deal with the grumpy Stego herds in south plains

It would be a nice idea, but it doesn’t fit the true roots of the isle, it’s a horror game after all, potentially though it could be something to do with the domes…

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't say counter

I'd say put the two together, to some degree

not really true 'zoo keeper'
but way less hunting them - and more so observing, reporting, chipping them
the only real need of killing being in self defence

[unborn kestrel]

Indeed, potentially using the domes that we see around the map as sort of sanctuaries for younger creatures, taking eggs and raising them in a “safe” environment to be studied, and then later released via the gates that are present on the large domes we see across the map, it could add an interesting dynamic

Potentially having spots where smaller/baby creatures can hide easily aswell would make it more interesting as we know that there is doors/gates that creatures can get through just by pushing them open too, imagine something like a fox in the henhouse scenario, a troodon or pack of them manages to find a way into the sanctuaries via a well hid ventilation shaft or water tunnel, and then the humans get an alert and have to deal with them

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-burns-the-simpsons-yes-gif-8238360

[acoustic osprey]

Mmm

[fast forge]

They don't have intelligence.
They can react to and interact with their environment, but there is no cognition, no awareness

[strange shell]

That would be the first example of something that can both communicate and have feelings without having any form of intelligence

[fast forge]

feelings?

Yeah even single-celled organisms communicate

But I've seen no evidence for anything we'd call feelings among the plants

sounds like anthropomorphism to me

[strange shell]

Feelings may not be a completely accurate word
But plants can "be bored" or "depressed" and suffer illnesses despite having the perfect amount of light and nutrients
It's also a widely known fact that talking to them or running music near them helps them grow nice
Actually, if you ask almost any gardener, they're gonna tell you that plants have feelings, or something that looks uncannily like it
Which is also something I have observed when taking care of my own plants

[lethal moat]

Sounds like superstition for some of it

[strange shell]

Then science is a superstition

There's been studies about how music (or talking) affects plants health

At this point if you deny them intelligence because they don't have a brain, thats like, anti-anthropomorphism
It's saying they can't have something because they lack something we consider a prerequisite for it, although we actually don't know anything about it

[lethal moat]

There’s also varying levels of intelligence, I feel like that should be pointer out

[strange shell]

Especially since we "recently" found out the brain might not be the source of thought as we once believed
At least, not by itself

Last point to my case : In Avatar the big tree-thing can communicate with the blue people (not the smurfs) and convey feelings
You don't need any more proof after that

[lethal moat]

[iron anchor]

maybe the vibration is healthy for them, try playing max bass

[fast forge]

this kind of stuff doesn't mean they have feelings like we do

depression is a physiological condition, not just a mental state

and the music stuff certainly doesn't require them to have feelings in order to respond positively

plants can respond to all sorts of things like chemical stimuli and magnetic fields, this doesn't mean they have feelings about them

[snow jasper]

life just does whatever benefits them the most
following the path of least resistance

[jaunty osprey]

k

[lethal moat]

How did we end up talking about replicator intelligence/sentience to talking about plants?

[hexed forge]

Right about here

[lethal moat]

Sadge

No offense to plants, I just like computers better

[hexed forge]

@patent ginkgo

[patent ginkgo]

Plants will live longer than any computer 💪🪴

[lethal moat]

Hear me out

Make a computer out of plants

[fast forge]

the trouble is that plants use chemical signaling, and that is very very slow compared to electronic transmission of data

[hexed forge]

Wrong chat.

[lethal moat]

Going back to this, I find the potential of a living weapon project designed to look semi-human and kill efficiently, being named after the embodiment of terror, to be a good use of metaphor

[hexed forge]

Agreed.

[lethal moat]

Also, if Deimos is a project, does Phobos have a place somewhere?

[hexed forge]

Phobos project: Ben.

[lethal moat]

I feel like Phobos would be some sort of warning system, maybe some sort of presence in the environment to warn about something

[hexed forge]

Is Phobos the god of panic or fear? Or is it both.

[lethal moat]

Panic is the typical interpretation

[fast forge]

erm, phobos is a moon silly

[hexed forge]

Could be a warning system yeah, or it could just not be in the lore at all.

[lethal moat]

So is deimos

[fast forge]

[lethal moat]

They're both very pitiful moons on the same planet tho

We've run dry on lore theories recently, lets go willy nilly through mythic greek beings and see what we can guess

[fast forge]

are any of them made of chocolate?

[lethal moat]

Don't think so

[hexed forge]

Im patiently waiting for the UI drop this month.

[fast forge]

is that this month?

[hexed forge]

Don said that he will post some of it this month yes.

Not much lore to discuss recently

[bold crater]

Hmm, perhaps Gen 1 intelligence?
I know they aren't referred to as "Tribals" anymore and that they run a lil more so on instinct, but I'm curious if they have some form of tribal structure still. Like war paint, structures, chieftains/sense of rank, etc.

[lethal moat]

My go to comparison is to dogs

[bold crater]

Actually, do we know if structures are still planned for them or no?
I remember it being said it was going to be similar to The Forest's building system, more free n' such.

[hexed forge]

I like to compare them to dogs.

Able to be trained some simple commands

[patent ginkgo]

i personally would love it more if they had a social structure based on ants

[bold crater]

Ants, huh?
Interesting 😮

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-heavy-maybe-sniff-well-see-gif-16650546

[patent ginkgo]

individually stupid, but with the power of basic communication and numbers, have emergent intelligence

[bold crater]

Hmm....

[patent ginkgo]

they know not what they do, but neither do you

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[bold crater]

Reminds me of newbies versus pros.
A pro fighting another pro has an easier time since they both know strategies and tactics. They can predict each other easier.
But a pro fighting a newbie? The newbie doesn't know any cool strategies or anything, so they become super unpredictable to the pro.

The Gen 1 could be unpredictable in their "strategies" because even they don't know what they're doing.

[patent ginkgo]

exactly

and anything that they do either fails or succeeds, and only the success is replicated/built upon, until they succeed consistantly at whatever theyre trying to do

[bold crater]

No not Greg!

[hexed forge]

The reason I say this is because we know that Gen1 are used as a retaliatory weapon on Hostile territory (Rival company islands/facilities?)

At the end of a mission you would at least have to teach them how to return to where they came from, and you have to teach them when they are allowed to attack and when they aren't allowed to attack so they don't accidentally kill a few friendly AE employees. Simple commands probably.

This just made me think of Bio-trace, the theory of Bio-trace being used to identify AE employees and assets, what if they can sense whatever has that Bio-trace? And that's how they prevent any sort of friendly-fire incidents?

[patent ginkgo]

chemical communication

ants

hmmmm

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/nounish-nounsdao-nouns-dao-noggle-gif-26326389

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah... dates and the devs don't ever go well together lol

That is why I forgot about it

[bold crater]

I hope they are intelligent enough to create primitive weapons. Bows I can see being amongst the most complicated things for em.
....I also hope they know how to mix stuff together....specifically so I can be a Gen 1 witch doctor and poison people with heeerbs.

[hexed forge]

Honestly I have been moving away from the idea of Gen1s being more "tribal-like", creating primitive weapons and such.

The body being the weapon

[lethal moat]

Poisoned Punji Stakes

[bold crater]

I can definitely see it turning out that way. But a part of me still yearns for primitive equipment :C

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/quiet-place-monster-alien-gif-22491042

[bold crater]

....Perhaps it could be both actually?

[hexed forge]

Maybe...?

But I find Gen1s having their body as their weapon way more horrifying and scarier than a gen1 chasing you down with an axe.

(Opinion ofc!!)

[bold crater]

Depending on how Gen 1 uh....replicating or sacrificing themselves goes (that was a thing, right?), maybe the "enhanced" ones that have done a lot of replication have just enough intelligence to make basic stuff.

So seeing a Gen 1 with like a club (a properly made one, not a random stick) lets you know "oh snap this thing is o l d"

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/a-quiet-place-a-quiet-place-day-one-a-quiet-place-day-1-death-angel-death-angels-gif-12344984919615481537

[bold crater]

I can definitely see that! But to me at least, I think it can be equally as scary with equipment as well if it's less so "haha, I am smart and made a weapon I know how to use!"....

more like giving an above-average intelligence chimpanzee an axe. It's not efficient with it, but it knows it can smack things with it. That's all it needs.

Kinda like that old idea Don mentioned where they could pick up guns, but fire them SUPER inaccurately and with no reloading.

They're just crazed with whatever they have in hand

[hexed forge]

Just swing the axe wildly and accidentally break it because your body is simply just too powerful

"Ooga booga swing swing"

[bold crater]

God that'd be horrifying to see a Gen 1 beating poor Greg with an axe or club so hard, it shatters it from pure strength but it just keeps going until it's nothin' but fists

[hexed forge]

HAH, that funny.

I wonder if Gen1 are bulletproof.

[lethal moat]

Doubt it, at least the ones we've seen so far

[hexed forge]

Amazing.

[bold crater]

I can see them being resistant to stabs and very small arms fire.
Beyond that, I reckon it's more so they can ignore pain easily.

[lethal moat]

I think hands and teeth would be worse personally

[hexed forge]

Matriarch Gen1...

[bold crater]

I just love the idea of a Gen 1 not giving a hoot about breaking it's weapon. It just keeps on smacking as if it were still there huehue.

HUMAN GO SQUANCH

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/drag-oh-no-spooky-scary-lol-bye-gif-14289686

[bold crater]

Oh that reminds me
I hope they can at least tie ropes....specifically so I can hang corpses Predator style.

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/carnage-vs-venom-gif-22619875

[bold crater]

Just shoot the head lmao lol xd huehue

[hexed forge]

Took me awhile to find a GIF that I was thinking of

[lethal moat]

I'd rather tie/nail them to trees or buildings

[bold crater]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-yes-happy-excellent-evil-plan-gif-18648187

[hexed forge]

*~~The Matriarch is a biomass iirc,

It has no brain, every cell is its brain. I think.. Actually I dont know. ~~
*
Inaccurate info ^ ( I did a stupid)

[bold crater]

Huh, so like [PROTOTYPE] then
If that's true, that's awesome because that game had such a friggn' awesome concept.

[hexed forge]

@lethal moat Am I insane or is there something similar to what I said

[hexed forge]

I legit just cannot stop thinking about Death Angels when Im thinking about Gen1

[bold crater]

They are pretty spooky!
-# plot holes aside

[hexed forge]

[bold crater]

I definitely hope they can crawl on all fours

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-uh-not-kill-my-vibe-mina-breaking-news-in-yuba-county-chill-out-dont-kill-my-vibe-gif-20349127

[bold crater]

[hexed forge]

[bold crater]

Actually.....now ya got me thinkin'

[lethal moat]

The what now

[hexed forge]

Matriarch being a uh... biomass.. thingy

[robust ether]

mod maia to be a gen 1 boom ez

[lethal moat]

Look up the defenition of biomass for me

[robust ether]

she is all the things in the whole world yep yep

[hexed forge]

Ok I got the wrong term

Which word is it

Its bio something

[robust ether]

oh god saying that gave me LBT ducky flashbacks

[bold crater]

Okay so like....the Gen "1.5" AKA Eyeless (and potentially that one eyeless Gen 1 if that's not purely cosmetic) are obviously blind, right?
IF they go with some sorta echo-sight for them (please), ya think sound could be used against em? Similar to Death Angels?

I mean hopefully we don't need to use tinnitus ringing on them because ouch, but still.

[hexed forge]

o

Im not a Matriarch nerd so I dont have the thing memorized okay..

[bold crater]

[robust ether]

Isn't it like... a mat if flesh or whatever. Some screwed up amoeba at the bottom of the ocean? Oh wait, no, i misunderstood that. Wow... you really used biomass wrong, my guy.

[hexed forge]

Shhh

[robust ether]

I thought you were talking about how it turned into a flesh heap

[hexed forge]

I just remembered biomass in the definition, then my brain start filling in random blanks.

[bold crater]

So it really is like Prototype then 😮
Consume somethin', gain it's traits.

Oh no don't consume Beip

[lethal moat]

Don't nerf the matriarch

[bold crater]

[robust ether]

Wait wait like zooids cera??

[hexed forge]

Rumple just insulted the entire beipi community

[bold crater]

Yeah! All 4 of us! >:C

[bold crater]

[robust ether]

Sort of individual sort of not animals that are connected to make a whole... uh, thingy. It's very complex tried to research it once. Not worth. So not worth.

[fast forge]

Biomass is literally just any amount of biological material

[robust ether]

Yeah lol

[fast forge]

flesh, plant matter, fungal, anything

[robust ether]

Cera try to explain what you meant again

Please

[hexed forge]

Can we just stop talking about my horrible mistake

I do not memorize Matriarch info, ||boring AE asset !!||

[robust ether]

@RUMP

[bold crater]

We can discuss
uh
Gen 2 having to go clear out Gen 1 infested human buildings C:

[hexed forge]

NUH UH

[fast forge]

Biomass is mostly a term I've seen used in ecology, when scientists are estimating the total mass of living stuff in an ecosystem

[robust ether]

^^

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

Now I wonder if that scenario even happened.

[robust ether]

But what word were you looking for cera

OH

[bold crater]

Part of me doubts it since Don mentioned before that not everything happened at the same time in the lore. So Gen 1 and 2 were never present at the same time I think.

[fast forge]

oh I just got off work, saw people asking for a biology definition

[robust ether]

Are you saying the matriarch has a nerve net instead of a centralized brain?

[lethal moat]

Depends, all of our current knowledge of AE buildings is gateway, and I'm of the belief gen 1 aren't on gateway

[hexed forge]

Same ^

[robust ether]

Boo

Boooo

[fast forge]

but what if they are, and Gen 2 aren't on gateway "naturally", but sent on missions here

[robust ether]

I hate logic it's not based not at all

[hexed forge]

They are still part of Gateways roster, the Gen2.

[meager junco]

Sad we’ll never see a third game in the series

[fast forge]

I dunno I forget the logic and quote you used to reach this conclusion

[bold crater]

-# Damn you, Activision.
A third W A S planned but uhuhuhhu the sequel didn't do well enough because horribly optimized and we made the plot bad
GAAAAAAAAAAAH.

Anyways, dinosaurs are weird.

[hexed forge]

Don quote and world building evidence.

This is the evidence I think.

Which makes sense

[bold crater]

I recall him mentioning that our gameplay is more so us seeing the lore through a "lens" of sorts.

[fast forge]

I just remember that I didn't agree with the conclusion

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-27224532

[robust ether]

Wouldn't gen 1 (probably) be native to whatever island they end up on since they have a bromance with the replicater and want to kiss it or whatever the hell? Seems odd to have them dropped in.

WAIT YOU SAID GEN 2 NOO

[meager junco]

Yeh, I was always hoping for a pariah video game. Aka the ultimate bio organism

But yeh Dino and lore stuff

[bold crater]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-hamster-sadhamster-hammy-hampter-popcat-gif-6561088576429774594

[hexed forge]

what

[fast forge]

yeah rumple thinks we won't see gen 1 on gateway at all

[bold crater]

Hrmm....odd

[hexed forge]

I dont think he said that..

[robust ether]

you read it.

[bold crater]

I mean, isn't it heavily implied that there's some Gen 2 activity on Gateway somewhere?
I know the Diablo trailcam implies it.

[robust ether]

Do you mean gen 1

[hexed forge]

RAHHH TINY

[fast forge]

edit

[robust ether]

NOO I LOOK DUMB NOW

[bold crater]

Oh Gen 1

[hexed forge]

I look dumb too

[robust ether]

dumb in solidarity

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/confusion-gif-11470809632014085732

[bold crater]

No we are all the silly goose

[hexed forge]

Gen2 is most definitely on Gateway

[fast forge]

look look look
I sometimes get right and left, east and west mixed up
I can't parse numbers like 1 & 2

I'm a biologist, not a mathematician

[robust ether]

dyslexics be like

[robust ether]

cera i still want to know what tf you were trying to say before

[fast forge]

we don't know if those are gen 2 or baseline human

[robust ether]

was the nerve net thing right or nah?

[hexed forge]

I dont think we will see Gen1 on Gateway too.

Mainly because of all the evidence, the evidence that says Gen1s arent on Gateway outweighs the evidence that they are on Gateway.

The evidence of gen1 being on gateway is 0.

[fast forge]

I know of no evidence against it either

[robust ether]

I agree but I also think it is lame.

And stinky.

[hexed forge]

Likely gen2,

Im confident,

Don's comment on if its a Gen2 basically implied that it is a gen2.

[robust ether]

I'd assume those are human bases that will be restored bt gen 2... so I mean I guess they aren't technically gen 2 bases?

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-what-cute-gif-15501550

[robust ether]

Do we have anything saying gen 2 were being used on islands or AE... places(idk) before gateway fell?

[fast forge]

yeah but I've seen you confident about a lot of things in this channel

[robust ether]

OOOO

[hexed forge]

Well,

Do you have any evidence of Gen1s being on Gateway.

Besides "Its cool!!!"

[hexed forge]

oh uh

Ehm

[robust ether]

Does gateway have any tribal painting stuff

[hexed forge]

No.

[robust ether]

Boo

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1227334225989210122.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[robust ether]

Okay Mr. Biomass

[hexed forge]

SHHhHSSHehawhhwgh AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[robust ether]

But really like

[bold crater]

Wait I thought it did on one rock

[robust ether]

O

Pic or it didn't happen

[hexed forge]

I got the word "biomass" from the definition, my brain did not have the entire definition memorized so it just started filling in blanks with what I was thinking of at the time. Which was a scramble of comparisons to things not-related to The Isle

[lethal moat]

I’m back for like, 15 min, what’s the conversation?

[robust ether]

Okay but likr

[hexed forge]

Do Gen1s exist on Gateway or not.

[robust ether]

What did you think it meant. As in what we're you trying to say the matriarch is

Like colonial?

Or just like decentralized nervous system?

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-work-here-idk-idk-about-that-i-don't-know-gif-3168423486813006711

[robust ether]

Boo fine

[lethal moat]

If gen 1 aren’t on gateway, an island with black san and lots of lava flows/obsidian would be neat, really dig into the “bad place don’t be here” vibe

[robust ether]

Very rock lots of caves and cracks

🙏

[hexed forge]

I want Site 12 to be a lab that is on an active volcanic island

[robust ether]

Why would they though

If it's important or whatever

[hexed forge]

Why would they settle on a volcanic island?

Well maybe when they actually settled there it was dormant.

[robust ether]

Seems ... unsmart. Dumb even.

[bold crater]

GEO
THERMAL
E N E R G Y

Or something I dunno.

[robust ether]

Hmm

[lethal moat]

Geothermal power, research into climate change from a massive source of carbon emissions

[hexed forge]

Maybe their activity on the island caused the volcano to become active again.

[robust ether]

AE not having the tech to monitor a volcano would be willld

[bold crater]

What if it were less so a lack of tech
more so overconfidence heehee

[lethal moat]

Running on crossed fingers and prayers on that island

[robust ether]

This is can see

"oops it done did blew up" is not something i can see.

[hexed forge]

When they settle on a dormant volcano, its dormant, they didnt think it would be active. Thats probably what happened if it happened

[robust ether]

But like

[hexed forge]

Their activity on the island

[robust ether]

You can monitor volcanoes

[lethal moat]

There’s different kinds of active volcano, I bet they can pick one of the more consistent and less explody types

[robust ether]

They are some super tech mega Corp world power thingy

Like

[lethal moat]

Ones that leak rather than remove half an island in an explosion

[robust ether]

ba BOOM

[hexed forge]

You cant control it

[robust ether]

Okay, but cera, you can absolutely get enough information to make educated guesses on that volcanos' future prospects

[robust ether]

This makes sense to me

[hexed forge]

I dont think you are understanding when I say that AE caused the volcano to erupt due to an oopsie

[robust ether]

gah

[lethal moat]

There are different types of eruptions

[robust ether]

what I'm saying is why would they settle somewhere that unstable

[bold crater]

Maybe something worthwhile is there
or encouraged them to be there

[hexed forge]

True

[robust ether]

If it was going to like blow up blow up

[fast forge]

unless they were fracking, I doubt it

[hexed forge]

But either way,

We are speculating about an island that may or may not exist

[bold crater]

Does Gateway have a volcano 😮

[fast forge]

yes

[lethal moat]

Perhappenchance

[bold crater]

Hrmm

[robust ether]

Don't know how you'd justify it or anything, but an island that erupts like Iceland does would be cool. I have no idea why Iceland erupts weird tho

[hexed forge]

Is it normal for a dormant volcano to steam? Its just water vapor right?

Im not a volcano expert.

[fast forge]

the situation in iceland is probably pretty different from our volcano

volcanic islands are usually caused by the tectonic plates passing over a hotspot

each time the hot spot breaks through, there is another island, creating a chain

[robust ether]

I think it would be active? I mean that's a phreatic eruption if I'm remembering my science class from years ago.

[robust ether]

No yeah I meant on that other island rumple said he wants lol. And I also doubt we'd get anything like that ever.

[acoustic osprey]

This was the case in Legacy Lore

[robust ether]

fissure-style eruptions specifically is what I'm talking about

[hexed forge]

Gateways volcano has "Steam" coming out of it, even tho inside the volcano theres water and foliage growing

[bold crater]

I still hope for a geothermal station near the volcano one day.
It's just neat.

Oh and a weather station with radar we can repair please I beg

[robust ether]

I mean it's not an extinct volcano so maybe that's normal no idea

[acoustic osprey]

This is taking in assumption all companies care about the long term

The real world would be in a better situation if the world's most expensive wallets weren't ignorant of the real world around them

Dormant Volcano island?
Cheaper tax, easier to buy off / low lease
Plus if it explodes later on, claim it on tax and insurance.

They're still making a profit margin

Why don't large cruise ships register with the US or UK anymore?

Because tropical islands allow you to do it for WAY less tax

[robust ether]

I thought AE was trying to fix stuff tho

Not saying they aren't a massive company that wants money

[lofty swallow]

bongos to cheer everyone up!! yay!

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-jake-the-dog-butt-bongo-booty-dance-gif-22273436

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/money-money-money-gif-3641396535535975514

They can still care about fixing the modern problems in their world while also trying to gain a profit.

[acoustic osprey]

It is still pretty unrealistic to run a company without thinking it is a company though, for AE/Apollo

Or They'd just likely run bankrupt

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cattitude-fun-cat-cat-fun-cat-funny-gif-5683118938279006051

[hexed forge]

Cat is more rich than me

[acoustic osprey]

Even though AE does seem pretty RnD
I believe something like JW2 wouldn't really happen

They likely have the tech to try and control such problems geologically, potentially

[hexed forge]

@patent ginkgo

I bet that GUTS tunnel area was changed. I will go check

[lethal moat]

Check east plains too

[hexed forge]

Sure. Right after this WT round.

[lethal moat]

Fair enough

[robust ether]

I mean i guess if they're absolutely positive they can save their research in case of an eruption. Seems silly still to me.

[hexed forge]

Depends on what that facility actually is, if its a geothermal power supply to all their islands via possibly the transistor then I dont think its thattttt important.

[patent ginkgo]

RAHHH

though I bet it’s just the generic bushes

I’ll see about suggesting something proper to Don if it is and he’s here

I’m literally currently working on a redwood model lol

[hexed forge]

Nice!

Alright WT match is over, will check the GUTS location first

[fast forge]

map changes 🙏

[hexed forge]

Okay so nothing at the location that I was thinking of, however, they removed the GUTS entrances in this location.

[lethal moat]

East plains is gone

[hexed forge]

huh

Going down to East plains right now.

[patent ginkgo]

-79,979.335, 414,475.503, 21,847.617

cerato idk if this helps with your fence map

[hexed forge]

Thats indeed a new fence, and it lines up with my fence predictions

They fixed the road yeahhh

[acoustic osprey]

it has raised!!

[hexed forge]

Helipad

Finalized this

[acoustic osprey]

docks?

ah that answers that lol

[hexed forge]

This one is different right?

The one that was underground was a bit more to the east

[acoustic osprey]

hold on i'll check

oh, nah, that one already existed

[hexed forge]

@fast forge You were right about the road leading into a mini-guts tunnel.

[hexed forge]

I see

Either way fence !!

[acoustic osprey]

it is right near the one that has a hyper fence gate

[lethal moat]

They have a launch ramp! >:3

[acoustic osprey]

rah!!!

[hexed forge]

-248,292.209, 543,066.472, 21,909.647

[acoustic osprey]

so it is just a straight through tunnel?

we need a name for those
can't really call it GUTS

[hexed forge]

oh god east plains is so different

[hexed forge]

Nah

Looks like its actually just a normal GUTS tunnel. It doesnt have an ending so it must be underground

[acoustic osprey]

coolio