suggestion-discussion

[granite geyser]

Having said that, they haven't officially said anything about it, and there are no plans for a PS port so far. Whether this might or might not change in the future no one knows (probably not even the devs)

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/this-gif-4354544

We are working on PC, Linux and Xbox versions

[rose swan]

#suggestions message I like the idea, but I feel like ooze is poisonous and would actually harm the soil? 😅

I like the idea of cultivating ground with bones similar to paving a cobblestone path. Perhaps the effect of ‘vert fertile’ ground could simply be faster crop growth, or higher yield of seeds.

The only issue with that is that there would need to be some way (imo) to lock ‘very fertile’ cultivation behind iron. Perhaps an iron hoe? Of course, that adds even more iron dependency. Hmm…

[mortal edge]

yes, as you said, the gui is simple and easy to understand, but in the end it is simple, it can be made high quality and easy to understand, and I don't think it's a children's game, it's not a game for 9-year-old people, it doesn't need to be kept very simple for comprehensibility, personally I'm not 9 years old, which I wouldn't like even if I was 9 years old, this design is kept too simple for someone who is not 9 years old.

[granite geyser]

Why fix what's not broken?

"But in the end, it is simple"

Yes, it's a simple game, that's the point. And...

"It can be made high quality and easy to understand"

Again, why fix what's not broken? I'm not really sure what is being tried to be discussed here regarding the UI, what is "high quality" here?

[mortal edge]

minecraft is also a simple game, but it is the most popular game in the world with the biggest player base and the most popular game in the world right now, do you know why? They do things that you don't understand, they IMPROVE, do you think there would still be this level of player base if it wasn't IMPROVED?

[scenic ocean]

Valheim is improving though.

[ruby girder]

Personally I find valheim's simple gui more appealing than the "high quality" ones
It's simple, it works.
The complex designs, no matter how well thought out they are, end up feeling too overwhelming

[mortal edge]

yes it is being developed, but do you think it is enough to develop only gameplay and new game systems, it should not be a very difficult thing to develop the gui design, there is not a lot of code written behind it, they will only update the pngs of the ready-made code and the button click area, they can do something very simple and very beautiful, why the life bar appearance is like a battery

[mortal edge]

this may be your opinion, maybe you haven't seen good design or you live on a desert island where you can't see good design, but good design attracts people.

[ruby girder]

and that is your opinion

[mortal edge]

Yes, this is my opinion, and I don't keep my opinions simple

[scenic ocean]

It is enough to focus on gameplay.
The game still isn't done, we've got Ashlands and Deep North to come.
Improving gui is less important than finishing the game.

[ruby girder]

🤷‍♂️ people already gave you an idea of how much they agree with your opinion

[rose swan]

Please don’t follow Minecraft’s example, they’re doing a lot of things that are generally not good. Like micro transactions lol

[mortal edge]

Yes, I agree, in game systems are much more important, but it is enough to put it at the end of the development order, what I mean here is not "you will do this first", you can put it in your development order.

[scenic ocean]

And to refer to Rianu earlier: Why? The gui works fine as it is.

You know what isn't fine?
Surtlings.
Hate those guys.

[pure patio]

Surtlings are just annoyances, even in groups. I'd put them as less annoying than deathsquitos or drakes, honestly

[granite geyser]

Literally everything you say is based on what you think...

Which certainly doesn't reflect what the player base actually thinks. You're one plus a few more players vs several millions of others

Especially considering it hasn't been stated on how it needs to be fixed/tweaked/overhauled

[wintry bobcat]

Surtlings have been really annoying for me lately bc I'm running around in leather armor and a stone axe and keep getting surtling raids

[mortal edge]

If millions of players jumped out of a window, would you jump too?

[granite geyser]

I can tell them to fix the bugs...

Which is worthless as I'm literally not telling them which ones

[wintry bobcat]

probably yea. Sounds like fun and they prob have a plan

[granite geyser]

Me and the squad moment

[wintry bobcat]

I trust my bros

[mortal edge]

the most annoying design part right now is the life bar, energy bar and food bar, these designs look very simple and bad. My personal opinion

[granite geyser]

My personal opinion

Key wording.

You dislike them and want them changed. If they changed them others will dislike them.

What did they accomplish in the end? Literally nothing

[wintry bobcat]

I've never had a problem with the UI but I will say I have seen some pretty snazzy old norse game stat bars in other games that I prob wouldn't mind in Valheim

[rose swan]

I think the life bar and energy bar are good, I think the stamina bar is ok. Maybe sometime after release they could add different looks for the GUI, but I also believe that the current look is a specific style.

[granite geyser]

Again, it is a simple game, therefore things will be simple

[karmic flax]

I like the retro feel of valheim ui, not just the same as so many other modern games

[rose swan]

100% agree with this. I never understand when people complain about the game looking like it belongs on PS1… I think that’s a great thing 👀

[unkempt raven]

Keeping the ui simple is a concious design choice, I can't really see that changing much.

[rose swan]

The UI could use a touch up at some point maybe? Like others have mentioned, the lists in the cauldron/forge etc are getting pretty extensive. As far as GUI goes- I think it’s fine, and I personally like it a lot.

[unkempt raven]

yeah, more sorting options or filters than "everything, alphabetical after internal ID" would be welcomed. :>

[granite geyser]

If the complaints were about things missing like ways to organize crafted items, that would make a lot more sense...

But this was about the appearance, yeah, that really isn't an issue

[unkempt raven]

Yeah the complaint seemed to be that "they have a simple look and don't look like vikings have designed them."

I mean more viking-y looking UI stuff wouldn't be out of place in a viking themed game but I've never thought of it as missing.

[olive yacht]

Huh

[wanton atlas]

the general thing about vaheim is "less is more" and "don't overcomplicate things" 🙂

[arctic wharf]

We could always use abit more building pieces though, and I would not mind a tiny bit more depth to the combat now that we are reaching the end game 🤭

[olive yacht]

As long as it’s stuff from the Viking era I don’t see an issue 🤷‍♂️

[rose swan]

Don’t want to beat a dead horse, but what would be really nice is a way to place those beautiful small tress and bushes 👀

[arctic wharf]

or even just some vines, the one thing everyone LOVES to use creative mode wise but we don't have in base game

[brisk hollow]

I just hope the deep north has walruses to fuck around and find out with.

[vestal parcel]

I need more wooden floor options

[pure patio]

That's what rugs are for 😛

[rose swan]

Ahh yes, my favorite wooden rug!

[pure patio]

Floors is floors, you want 'em to look different you puts rugs on 'em 😉

[vestal parcel]

I need more rugs too!

i’m greedy

[unkempt raven]

The real floors are the rugs you make along the wall.

[pure patio]

The real fun is putting a red jute rug over a hole in the floor for people to fall into

[rose swan]

Using 1m floors and rotating them makes for a really cool effect

[unkempt jackal]

What is the rationale behind staggering with a tower shield? The enemies get tired from bashing the shield so much that they decide to take a rest?

[pure patio]

Pretty much 😛 Similar rationale as being able to parry projectiles.

[silk halo]

not entirely

[unkempt jackal]

Makes sense!

[silk halo]

tower shields as is are pretty useless

[pure patio]

Just that tower shields are almost useless for anyone in the game beyond training up blocking currently, so a minor change might make them an actual alternative. They still have the speed penalties and such.

[silk halo]

it would be giving them a useful function where they didn't have one before, as opposed to parrying which was good on melee mobs already

[rose swan]

That’s a really solid idea @pure patio , nice!

That’s a great way to cater towards more heavy builds. I’d really like to see some heavy options- slow and tanky, dealing lots of counter damage and such.

[karmic flax]

Yeah. Gives an extra feeling of being an immovable object your enemy has to content with

[rose swan]

#suggestions message I’m far from an expert, but I think the size of the team now is ideal- it really helps to retain the image and personality of Valheim. What would more developers do for the game as a result?

[silk halo]

really wanna rofl react that one

[karmic flax]

Theyve already tripled the team since release

Plus I'm sure they know better if they need more people

[rose swan]

Right, I agree as well- leave the expert work to the experts haha.

Anyways, tanky builds- I really like playstyles where I feel like an absolute unit lol

[silk halo]

don't let Macarbre hear you saying that, he'll say you just want to be a damage sponge xD

[scenic ocean]

The best tank stat is dps. Boss can't hurt you if you tunnel. <3

[wanton atlas]

the what now?

[rose swan]

Hmm? There was a suggestion that was ‘add more developers’ but it’s gone now

[wanton atlas]

oh that old thing

it's not ment to. but people keep asking for it without understanding the complications

just like you say.
more devs = less personalised style of the game
more devs = more meetings = less content but with longer development time

[granite geyser]

@dusky aspen you mean suggesting the exact same thing that has happened since the start of the game?

Every armor makes you stronger already...

Idk why the reply to that other unrelated suggestion as well

[wanton atlas]

unless he means like the weight belt does?

[brisk turtle]

also "more devs" isn't really a reasonable suggestion. The devs are asking for suggestions about the game they're developing, not suggestions on how to develop their game. I can understand how that might be a fine distinction for some folks, but to me it's pretty obviously two different things

[granite geyser]

That's what I was thinking at first (which does sound interesting admittedly)...

But not like that's clear, especially due to the reply

[rose swan]

Yeah I was a like confused as well

[granite geyser]

Which is why the "suggestion" was fortunately deleted 😌

[brisk turtle]

yeah "makes you stronger" sounds like weight belt effect. It would be interesting to have another piece of gear that adds to your weight limit to free up the slot or increase your capacity even more, but I thought the devs had ruled that out 🤔

[rose swan]

As an end game armor, that could be an interesting additional effect. Since all that would be left is building and exploration I suppose.

[granite geyser]

Depends on what the theme of DN will be.

Someone once mentioned it was stated that the last biomes wouldn't be as building-focused but I could never get solid proof of that

I was surprised that the theme of ashlands seems to be the players being an invading force that lay siege on an allegedly organized enemy faction's fortresses (aka all-out war) so I'm curious on what DN will be.

And unless they want to stretch that theme so it goes world-wide (which does sound kinda epic), don't think they're going to do the same theme twice in a row

[rose swan]

Ahh interesting. I guess we won’t know until DN. I’m sure it will feel very ‘final level’ ish. It’s far away, but I’m curious as to what it will bring.

[scenic ocean]

I kinda hope that normal wood structures don't protect you from the Deep Norths weather. Like, if you want to build a base in the frozen hellscape, you better be coming with some quality materials.

Could argue that that notion would fit better in Ashlands because y'know... wood doesn't like fire. But I don't like the premise of a biome just straight up murdering your base just because. DN would just not care about your wood walls and freeze you anyways.

[karmic flax]

@split gale People very rarely get timeout on first infraction. Most of the time they just get a warning reminding them of those rules.

[split gale]

True, but regardless, I feel like everytime that occurs, or even when there's a warning, the user has no clue of the rule.

Seemingly, at least. They could read more, then know it, but they don't.

[karmic flax]

Its been a while since i joined the server, but i thought the rules just popped up when you join

[split gale]

Oh, in that case, the suggestion is already implemented. I hadn't seen it, but I rejoined when the server was getting setup after the intrusion.

[karmic flax]

But anyway, if you dont rrad the rules, and you get warned for something minor like that, nothing more is gonna come of it as long as you follow the rules after that.

[dusky aspen]

Yes I was referring to the belt effect. Could be added as a side boss armor though. Or like a collect them all theme and its made from parts of the troll like mob from each biome.

[untold urchin]

...wait where exactly is that rule? Given I'm dyslexic as hell but I've gone over them twice just now.

Eh, just found it, a footnote on the 'keep things in their proper channels' rule.

[wanton atlas]

@split gale the most common thing someone gets warned for is writing in a non-english language 🥲

Yet it's there in the rules people have to agree on upon entering the server also

[arctic wharf]

I still think a small secondary team working autonomously from the core dev team to work on side additions that flesh out the old biomes could work very well without a whole ton of oversight and guidance needed from the core team.
But that's just my opinion.

Everyone should respect that it's The current IG teams long and hard worked on project and all decisions regarding it will always remain with them.
It's fine to share opinions, but less fine to insist your opinions are right and others are wrong... and especially not fine to insist anyone is less than because they don't agree with your opinions regardless of who they are. (From IG or just another fan in the community)

[wanton atlas]

@sly reef that isn't possible what so ever to do :/

[arctic wharf]

Starts thinking of ways to accomplish it.... 🤔

An overlayed texture with more defined features that increases In opacity based on skill level? A few different variations of the player model with different levels of body definition?

It's possible but tedious to implement and entirely unnecessary.
Especially when you consider this is not a 0 to hero story AND the body will be hidden most of the time under your armor 🤣
(Just to name a few reasons)

Anywho, just was humoring the idea really haha

[wanton atlas]

basicly destroy all armors in game, apply things to the player model that didn't exist back in 2017-2018 and then

game will never finish because people keep asking for updated things 🥲

I looked at a baldurs gate 3 stream the other day

it had.. wonky textures

so people bugreport issues instead since armor get's dragged out and pixels break.
meanwhile some metal armors aren't solid but move when the character moves like it was made out of cloth

[arctic wharf]

It's silly to say anything is impossible, but I will preface that I understand certain choices can limit what is compatible without changing said choices.
The best example being how the simple height map controlled terrain mesh can not support chiseling into it for caves. In order to get that sort of functionality you need to make a different choice on how to handle your terrain such as the well known voxel terrain. But that choice still comes with it's own set of limitations.

[arctic wharf]

Hehehe, yeah I get that as well. Every single suggestion I always ask myself, "would the game truly benefit enough from the addition to make it worth considering?" and "would the effort and time needed be worth the payoff?".
It is part of my vote 🤭
Have to be strict and ofcourse keep a tight vision in mind. Or as you said the development will never end.
Most developers hope to finish their project some day so they can work on something new.

.
Whew, sounds like some real graphic snobs for that BG3 situation btw 🤣
Being fun over perfectly realistic = win
So none of that would matter to me as long as it does not kill the immersion in the same way say... a huge seam in the skybox somewhat does.
Looking at you pal world skybox...
I can't unsee it now 😅

Not that, that game even has to worry about immersion anyway.

[wanton atlas]

oh?

what's with palworlds skybox?

haven't played it so haven't picked up on that

[untold urchin]

#suggestions message
This isn't Fable and I suspect the majority of people these days prefer their viking models built like runty waifs.
But maybe some charitable modder will take a crack at it

[untold urchin]

The seams where the skybox wraps are really conspicuous and there's a bright as hell blue field around the horizon

Incidentally, playing it felt a bit like valheim at first but with automation and micromanagement.

...as much as both get suggested here, it just made me miss valheim and I hung it up after a few dozen hours. Babysitting furnaces in valheim is micromanagement enough without furnace operators getting moody or deathly ill every two seconds.

[granite geyser]

Using the stonecutter to craft materials that can be used to build visually different stone pieces besides the ones we have seems so obvious now...

[scenic ocean]

I only thought of it when I was looking at my build menu trying to find the right black marble piece and grumbled that I wasn't the builder so I shouldn't have all this stuff to sift through lol

[arctic wharf]

behold, the edge of the cube which probably has the edge where the texture seam was cut! It can be a bit more noticeable when rotating the camera to different angles. 🤣

Can't post my screen grab in this chat tho 🤔

Sent in a DM, just this once ❤️

Thankfully it is more than a silly game, so a little error like this is not exactly a big deal. It would be far worse in a game aiming for a rich environment.

[scenic ocean]

the cube

[brave grotto]

Hey guys,i just thought of a something and i wonder if its possible to somehow make the whole map to only have 1 certein type of a biome?

[granite geyser]

Nope

[scenic ocean]

Mods?

[brave grotto]

U know a mod that can do this?

[granite geyser]

Probably better continents.

But that's not discussion for this channel

[scenic ocean]

Not off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure I've seen a few though. I don't use world editting ones

[brave grotto]

Oh,mb,i thought im in general,soz.ty.

[granite geyser]

General isn't the right place either.

It's #mods-discussion

[brave grotto]

Oh,ok. Thx.

[scenic ocean]

I do like the idea of having something else spawn in the Draugr Village chests, I don't think scrap iron is the right one. Maybe Ancient Bark, Ooze or Guck? Guck actually seems neat, alternate source of the green.

You clear out Draugr, you want loot a little better than flint or a torch lol

[granite geyser]

Being able to build stone pieces before even killing eikthyr is extremely broken

[scenic ocean]

Iron Arrows would cheese the hell out of Eikthyr, Trolls and Elder. Like, yeah you can get them from chests but that's: 1: Up to chance. and 2: In the swamp.

Or worse, you scrape a Serpent Scale shield in meadows lol. It'd be kinda annoying getting the serpent but you wouldn't need to replace that shield for a hot minute.

[granite geyser]

They can already be cheesed regardless of arrow type.

I would be more concerned on the stone pieces part when the strongest enemy you would face in your base is greydwarf brutes which can very certainly not break through stone

And that's post-eikthyr, pre-eikthyr would be much worse on that regard

[karmic flax]

Metal arrows are a waste

[full prairie]

never made metal arrows, about to make a ton of obsidian arrows though

[karmic flax]

I generally use arrows in 4 categories:
Wood arrows on almost everything
Fire arrows on elder
Looted arrows on moder
Needle/carapace arrows on more difficult enemies

[desert fern]

how many arrows can we craft with one metal bar?

20 for all types of metal?

[granite geyser]

Yes, but should be like 50

[rose swan]

I like making iron arrows 🥲 but obsidian arrows are extremely convenient, I’ll admit.

50 arrows per ingot would actually be a nice improvement ^

[ruby girder]

it's iron tho

[peak magnet]

I was watching the latest dev talk and they mentioned some frustration about exploration in the Mistlands. I have definitely had similar feelings with the lack of visibility and verticality. I have always thought Wisp Arrows would be an interesting solution to this (can't remember where I first heard this, it wasn't my origenal idea). But an arrow that temporarily acted as a Wisp Torch where it landed would be very usefull and not too over powered (at least I don't think). This would also give some more utility use to the bow even after getting a crossbow.

[cursive pelican]

maybe the arrow could also carve a path trough the mist (like the laterns but only temporary)

[peak magnet]

I think that was actually the way I originally heard this idea. I would love that implementation as well. There have been so many times where I am above the mist and just want to see what is below and thought it would be really cool to fire an arrow to scout it out.

[cursive pelican]

yup

[rose swan]

@loud marsh #suggestions message here’s a really solid idea for a rework of tower shields! I like the idea of a shield bash as well though, could be neat.

[loud marsh]

Oh thank you :D

[lone prairie]

I dunno, shield bash seems like a waste of stamina. Why hit with a shield when y can hit with an axe/sword/mace?

[loud marsh]

I feel like it could add a nice flow to combat. There are only a few combos in the game and an extra move that does not come from a completely new weapon type could be nice

[rose swan]

Shield bash could be a quick way to interrupt an attack, could be a tower shield exclusive thing?

[loud marsh]

Like imagine being able to extend the basic sword combo with Sword 1 > Sword 2 > Sword 3 > Shield Bash > Sword 4 and then end combo

And it gives an insentive to getting a tower shield

While it costs a bit more stamina it adds some more damage

And it kind of sort of balances out not having parry wiht the tower shield

[lone prairie]

Well if y can shield bash and effectively blocking same time - yea, eather way just hit hit with a proper weapon

[rose swan]

Bashing could have high knock back as well, could use your defenses to shift the zoning of combat.

I will say, I think standard shields are fine, it’s just tower shields that I think need a little TLC

[loud marsh]

Yeah let standard shields have the pary and then tower shields can get the bash

[brisk turtle]

I think traditionally shield bashing is something you do with smaller shields? Heavier shields are more to just be a wall, so giving it an attack doesn't make sense to me 🤔

[loud marsh]

Does not even need to be like a hit, if we are talking tower shield bashing then it can be just a good hit forward with your body weight

[brisk turtle]

but I do think it would be cool if tower shields were more of a viable strat

[brisk turtle]

ah sure, that could make sense. like a bull rush?

[loud marsh]

I mean for a tower shield a bull rush sounds nice

[brisk turtle]

a knockback would be kind of interesting. or a trip

[loud marsh]

More like just a quick shove forward using the shield and your body weight. Not dealing too much damage, more like giving you breathing room and maybe dealing a bit of stagger buildup

Tbh I would actually be perfectly content with a bull rush if it does like 1 damage but makes enemies ragdoll. Not die just flop over a few seconds XD

[karmic flax]

You can already make weapon stands with just item stands on a beam. More freedom to make it look how you want it to

[unkempt raven]

I wouldn't mind a different ladder climbing animation but certainly not normal walking. You don't walk normally up a ladder, you climb it.

[karmic flax]

@pulsar gazelle cant you technically do that with current crystal walls? I mean theyll be thicker and cost more, but...

[pulsar gazelle]

They stand vertically, so when I was trying to place, they weren't snapped to anything. I could try shifting the snap position, but we'll see. Shifting snap position does not work how I'm looking for

Can I post a screenshot to show what I'm working with?

[karmic flax]

I get what youre saying, yeah

Might be able to use doors to get a close enough snapping point

[pulsar gazelle]

Oh, I see what you mean. They can cluster together to make multiple snapping points.

[karmic flax]

Yea

[unreal schooner]

So now we have those walk and talk discussions even in suggestions.. i think i gonna quit till july 🫠

[pulsar gazelle]

Ok, I tried that, but it's too thick 😦

And it isn't a close-knit snap.

Cage floor works for now, but the crystal would be so cool.

Example in #building-screenshots

[granite geyser]

@fathom cargo that's... Literally how it works right now

[wanton edge]

Yeah I wish folks would consistently mark stuff as ashlands spoilers 😅

[unreal schooner]

I mean you can quickly understand there could be spoilers when you start reading, but what's the purpose of making any suggestions about stuff that is coming soon but hasn't come out yet? Try it, experience it after the launch, and then make suggestions.

Btw i don't know what that suggestion was about though

[wanton edge]

Yeah, I immediately skipped reading it, but its easy to read spoilery words even when you're trying to skip it. And some folks don't put in any lead in or buffer so by the time you realize its spoilery its too late 😖 I've already seen several big spoilers from folks carelessly dropping info in suggestions or suggestion discussions

[unreal schooner]

I just hope that with that amount of rumours and fake news spread all over here i still didn't get any actual spoilers😅

[wanton edge]

I mean, IMO offering a suggestion while they are still in the idea phase isn't necessarily bad. Easier to pivot or add something. The team can do with it what they will

Just mark it as an ashlands spoiler pls 😭

[unkempt raven]

Suggesting things that already are in the game is pretty pointless anyway though, even if it's spoiler-related.

[unreal schooner]

I expect 2 possible types of those suggestions. Either you suggest that smth devs have just teased you with should be already changed or you make some unrelated not worthy suggestion based on what they have teased you with. Both types are rubbish imo

[desert fern]

suggest it!

[granite geyser]

As if it wasn't suggested dozens of times already

[pure patio]

@slate fossil That multi-hit penalty is by design. Most weapons have it, swords and some two handed weapons are unique in not having it.

[slate fossil]

even on undamageable objects? @pure patio

[pure patio]

Yup. You get the penalty hitting the wall when swinging at skeletons in the crypts, etc.

[barren elk]

#suggestions message dude i had something similar in my mind but this is even better currently players will never reach skill lvl100 or even close to that so this would make it a lot better

[pure patio]

Chasing high skills is not intended in general... the Mistlands is tuned to skills around level 30-40. You should very rarely be able to max out a skill, and it is in no way necessary.

[granite geyser]

I've known for a while that people just look for ways to frustrate themselves and blame others for it.

But it's a hard-to-swallow pill.

[unkempt raven]

Reaching skill 100 is perfectly doable, it's just pointless and somewhat time consuming.

[pure patio]

I have only ever naturally achieved 100 in jumping and running. But I have defeated every boss in the game 😛

[unkempt raven]

I've had bows in upper 70s in the plains, I think, just from using them as my main weapon, no intentional grinding. Never been at 100 in anything, I'm too reckless. :p

[granite geyser]

@olive yacht

https://www.reddit.com/r/valheim/s/C2Vq20nd8A

[olive yacht]

Holy shit they did it

Now we need resin fire balls

[pure patio]

Bile Bombs exist?

[wintry bobcat]

NoobGoldberg may be on to a great idea

[rose swan]

Imagine you’re sprinting, you have virtually no stamina loss. You level up, then suddenly you can’t run anymore lol

I like the idea of apple trees, but I think it should be more simple than that. It would be neat if they were like beehives, where you place/plant it and kinda forget about it. When you shake the tree, maybe you get like 5 or 10 apples or something. I know Vikings are fruit, including apples, but I don’t know what dishes they would’ve made? But apple pies would be cool. Maybe apple seeds can be purchased from Haldor as a late game item or something.

[granite geyser]

@wintry canopy

1. Don't post multiple suggestions in one post

2. How would that work in solo?

[winter cobalt]

Why would you make a biome harder for no reason lol

[sterile frost]

hmm 😂

maybe wearing Ashlands armor can negate all of these effects

also I'd like some challenges, I just feel like the game's gotten too easy

[wintry bobcat]

At least world modifiers helped a bit with that

[ruby girder]

#suggestions message
I dunno about moving backwards but attacking would be great

[honest salmon]

About an apple recipe, a viking re-enactment group I was with for a while used to cook a mean pork-apple stew, very tasty indeed. They tried to only use ingredients vikings would have had access to.
The perfect apples for that stew are so called cooking apples, fairly big and not too sweet, a kind of apple I can imagine vikings would have had.

[short wing]

No taters then?

[honest salmon]

Definitely not, taters are from south america

[short wing]

Yeah they came to Europe after the vikings visited or settled.

[sly reef]

#suggestions message but u can use carts on the ship, if u need more storage

[short wing]

That isn't working as intended though.

[sterile frost]

24 👎, I think this is my new record

[mortal lichen]

You're just doing it on purpose aren't you?

[sly reef]

It's just feature, u can also throw out thing from your inventory to the ship, it also should be working

[short wing]

I works, I've done it but getting the cart onto the karve requires some shenanigans and isn't really meant to be done but it can be done so why not.

[sterile frost]

No way, ma'am 👀😂

I genuinely want the game to be more challenging

I mean Hardcore is fine but I've become so skilled at avoiding attacks it becomes tedious

Any difficulty below Hardcore is also easy because of the predictable attack patterns

[short wing]

Play it drunk or at least with drunk glasses on.

[mortal lichen]

Just go naked without a rested buff, same deal

[sterile frost]

I'm not a masochist

[ruby girder]

debatable

[silk halo]

sounds like a good point to take a break from the game and get some rust back xD

[unkempt raven]

I think it's a bit late to suggest major stuff like that for Ashlands now anyway, that would require everything in there being balanced around those debuffs.

From how I understood what Smiffe said the other day it's mainly balancing and tweaking that remains for Aslands to be ready for public testing.

[granite geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-taste-hahaha-funny-creep-gif-15086659

[unkempt raven]

Well, balancing and rebalancing and "oh we need this thing for this to be right" etc.

[unreal schooner]

those maps for a nomap suggestions are the main reason i once stayed on this server lol

[granite geyser]

@crisp sedge seasons have been denied already.

It isn't a farming sim either, so trying to making farming more complex beyond how it is already isn't happening either.

And also please try to post suggestions separately

[crisp sedge]

Didn't know, I see. I still think Valheim would really benefit from more horizontal progression, not just gear-gated bosses. It has such an amazing world and people have already played for hundreds of hours, just wish it had more variety besides. Maybe randomly generated dungeons / portals or something.

[full prairie]

Probably more the realm of mods as that sorta strays away from the original intent of the game

[rose swan]

Dungeons are already randomly generated, yeah?

[wintry bobcat]

more stuff like Hildrs quest?

although I guess her stuff is just more to do, not necessarily giving you new stuff to progress with

[crisp sedge]

Absolutely! The game world is huge as is, so much potential to fill it out with content.

[rose swan]

This is my personal opinion, but I found the quests to be super cool, and the dungeons are really great! The rewards are the weakest part in my opinion 😅

[full prairie]

I was mainly referring to the horizonal progression idea, not based on boss locked gear. The main premise of the game is boss locked gear (there's ways around it yeah but that's the core mechanic)

[rose swan]

Ahh gotcha, I see what you’re going for. Yeah, I’m with you on that

So you’re wanting more dungeons/side quests and such?

[karmic flax]

@hollow elm || https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Dvergr_stakewall ||

[full prairie]

Uh not explicitly, but I wouldn't see those ideas as an issue at all

[hollow elm]

I was thinking more of entirely metal stakes. Durability was my priority.

[karmic flax]

Ah, well they at least have twice as high, and dont degrade in the rain

[full prairie]

I think he's talking about the ones that's point outward, not the ones that are walls

[rose swan]

|| there are dvegr sharp stakes as well ||

|| https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Dvergr_sharp_stakes|| <mistland spoilers

That being said, it would be neat to have more vertical pointed iron spikes to put in a moat or something. Though it wouldn’t very useful, since mobs typically don’t fall in moats lol.

[dusky aspen]

Question is there a way to send full fleshed out reviews of the entire game. Especially if some of the things are ideas you want to mention to the devs but think would be huge spoilers if the general fanfare discovered them?

[rose swan]

Hmm maybe just post in the title of the review that there will be spoilers?

[karmic flax]

Did you see what i linked in spoilers up above?

Nvm i linked the wrong page

Meant to link what you linked lol

[rose swan]

Haha I figured you did! No worries, they’re both very similar objects lol

[wanton edge]

@arctic wharf thank you for the labeled spoiler warning! 🙏💜

[toxic dawn]

Isn’t there already a way to turn off looping biome music? It’s the continuous music option in settings I believe

[rose swan]

#suggestions message here’s a big ask- but what if we more music? Like some alternate tracks? Maybe in the far future, after release or so?

[arctic wharf]

That has been a past suggestion too, and it has gotten a 👍 from me 🤣
More great music to give variety in my travels? no brainer, heck yeah!

[pure patio]

I selected an alternate track by making my base on top of a cleared out Fuling village

[arctic wharf]

smart, I debated doing that with some of the minor POI's or text stones in the dark forest too.
Sometimes makes me wish we might get some version of a karaoke for the base to give a set track that plays within a radius 😁

entirely unneeded ofcourse haha

[rose swan]

I’ve thought about building an abbey on top of a burial chamber just for the music lol

[brisk turtle]

Honestly kind of surprised there are so many upvotes for my pasta idea 🤣

[rose swan]

Love me some spaghetti 🤌

Probably won’t see pasta, but it’s a fun thought lol

[ruby girder]

@haughty narwhal
#suggestions message
There's already one in world modifiers

[granite geyser]

@haughty narwhal

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/World_Modifiers

[rose swan]

#suggestions message your nephew has a wonderful imagination! I love this idea lol even if it is better suited for a mod

[brisk turtle]

I'm hoping the devs decide to troll us by adding, like "bonemeal bug pasta" or something really gross that they can claim is technically still pasta 🤣

[unreal schooner]

I was impressed with how accurate this was in terms of their shapeshifting abilities and also a fun way to make them less useless in mid and late game

[ashen tinsel]

My intent was an intermediate option between loop all music and play music only once before silence. The boss/raid music is much more engaging and less likely to become repetitive (unless farming/training), and defaulting looping to off like I've done feels off. I want an option to have only the combat music loop.

[wanton edge]

yeah it is kinda startling when the boss music just stops and you're fighting in silence - I have a love/hate relationships with it. Its easier to not panic without the music, but sometimes the lack of music pressure leads to dumb mistakes 😅
Regardless it can be rather weird/jarring feeling

[brisk turtle]

I do love the idea of a neck boss or mini boss though

[full prairie]

@coarse carbon devs won't add bears, I couldn't tell you why but they're firm on it

[coarse carbon]

How can I trust a moose, that this isn't just moose propaganda?

[full prairie]

Believe me, it's one of the top requested additions and they've been firm on it

[full prairie]

if the server didnt get wiped you could search for "bear" in suggestions and youd get a ton of results

[coarse carbon]

Woof. Well, thanks for the update, I'm new to the discord channel,

[full prairie]

no worries, for future reference, its best practice to use the discord search function to see if someone has suggested something similar before, and try to limit yourself to one suggestion per post

[karmic flax]

the main reason for not adding bears, etc is that they want less real life creatures and more creatures they make themselves

[coarse carbon]

That makes a lot of sense! Probably so much fun bringing their visions and ideas to life.

[bitter lodge]

There’s enough dangerous creatures in the swamp already

[rose swan]

#suggestions message This is a fun idea! I think it would be a nice feature if you could somehow see it coming as well, that way you have at least a little time to prepare.

[wintry bobcat]

@lilac elbow already a thing

[arctic wharf]

If they mean magic/mana increasing mushrooms, then yeah.
I was guessing they may be meaning a different kind of mushrooms though 😅
Hard to say, there is no elaboration.

[brisk turtle]

@lilac elbow - the devs have stated many, many times that they have no plans to add bears

[lilac elbow]

I was thinking psychedelic trip.

Like you enter a dream world if you consume the mushroom

[brisk turtle]

I suggested this a while back and folks weren't enthusiastic about it 😅

I also doubt the devs would add more drugs to the game, but I think it would be funny. Something for mods, I guess

[arctic wharf]

ah, so I did indeed assume correctly 🤭

[wintry bobcat]

faet also suggested it a few hours ago

[fluid olive]

I’d suggest things but people might say they’re bad :(

[wanton atlas]

It doesn't really matter what people think.
What matters what you think about them. In the end upvotes/downvotes dont matter if it's a good idea

[ashen tinsel]

@low marsh Since structures can be placed inside eachother, you can place virtually anything on anything by hiding another block inside. A quick fix can be to place a wood pole inside the butcher block, then placing the item stand on that. Online guides can show how to do this seamlessly. The devs making crafting blocks support tiny amounts of weight would be good in my opinion though.

[low marsh]

okay i tried the small floor piece and it did not work... i will try a post.. thank you!

[fluid olive]

I need people to think I’m objectively correct tho :(((

[wanton atlas]

I have confidence in you 🙂

[fluid olive]

Okay deal

[wanton atlas]

@low marsh it's not that easy to just allow for 1 build item on 1 certain object 🥲

[wanton edge]

The bees are sleeping PJs or pillows/pillow cases would be super cute

[olive yacht]

@lilac elbow we already have magic mushrooms

[granite geyser]

@hoary vessel

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Fenris_Set

[hoary vessel]

I didn't know ty

[full prairie]

I really think the ability to craft and place runestones would be great, im not gonna put it in suggestions bc im certain its been mentioned before, but it makes sense given that those who came before could make them and leave them behind

the runes on the surface could be a different color as well to differentiate between player placed ones and naturally generated ones

[open dagger]

people already suggesting stuff for deep north the heck

ashlands isn't even here yet

[karmic flax]

people have suggested stuff for mistlands, ashlands and deep north all along

[granite geyser]

But it's speculated to be close to being released so might as well suggest DN when they're still not deep into its development.

It's worse if they were and reach a stage where it's too late to implement suggestions bc they already set up their minds on what it will be

[open dagger]

well i haven't looked at it from that perspective

[open dagger]

this talk about deep north actually reminds me of a dream about the deep north i had on tuesday i think

[brisk turtle]

yeah IMO way too many suggestions are just logistically impossible from a development standpoint, or require revisiting earlier biomes, etc. etc. I think suggestions have a higher liklihood of seeing dev engagement if they're tailored to the stage of development the devs are in for that area. at the moment ashlands is almost complete so any suggestions for that should be finishing touches, minor stuff, easy to implement, and it makes sense to make open-ended suggestions for deep north that might inspire devs in an early stage of development

[rose swan]

#suggestions message this is a solid idea!

[karmic flax]

[open dagger]

it's useful for that world where you don't find yagluth instantly good work👍 could for sure get rid of some frustration

[brisk turtle]

Before you make a suggestion:

• Read the pins
• Search previous suggestions so you don't repost
• Don't suggest things the devs have specifically ruled out
• Consider what would be required to implement your idea. Each of the following requires dev resources:
• • Coding
• • Art for textures
• • Models for new items or mobs
• • Art for new UI
• • Code for new UI
• Is your idea in line with Valheim's theme of a lonely viking overcoming increasingly difficult challenges in the afterlife?
• Does your idea include changes to core or fundamental aspects of the game design, like terrain generation?

What should I add to this?

We need the "list of stuff that's not happening" reposted...

[karmic flax]

smiffe will post a list like it whenever he gets around it it, it's not pressing

[brisk turtle]

Something like what I have posted above would be good, too, I think

Folks need some guidance and I think some just don't even consider the dev resource angle when suggesting things

like "easy idea just add a new boat"

or "easy idea just make more random terrain"

[karmic flax]

and that's just up to perspective imo. smiffe can also weed out stuff like that

[rose swan]

I will say, it’s hard for the player to consider the work/coding. Most players aren’t experts on the subject, and just want to give feedback.

But yeah, that’s a good guide!

[brisk turtle]

It seems like just saying something like "FYI, the following things are each separate tasks that require a dev to do them, so when you're suggesting things, consider what it might take to implement, and understand that the more work something takes, the less likely it is to see devs do anything with it"

But yeah, definitely don't want to censor anyone, just proactively provide information that might increase the quality of suggestions and give folks a better idea of the pipeline from suggestion > implemented into game

[unreal schooner]

But you've just defined a good suggestion. If every suggestion was like described here, we wouldn't need voting at all

[arctic wharf]

Say, tar burns right?
Why not a tar-tipped arrow that acts as the upgrade higher tier fire arrow 🤭

Aside from the slight supply problem that is...

[karmic flax]

i keep suggesting a two handed sledge using a growth trophy that splatters enemies with the tar effect, they have yet to put it in the game

[arctic wharf]

A lot of cool stuff can still be done yeah. But I do know as is often mentioned, they are hyper focused on steady development of the remaining biomes.
Just going to casually drop how nice a small secondary team for extra additions to past biomes could be again. 🤣

Aside from that, who knows. Perhaps past 1.0 🤷‍♂️

[karmic flax]

@terse cedar its very unlikely they'll ever add pvp features or increase the player cap in any significant way. that's not the sort of game they want to make

[coral cradle]

I think we might get fire arrows from the ashlands

[granite geyser]

Translation:

Very unlikely = literally 0% chance

The suggestion is the exact opposite of what they want the game to be

[arctic wharf]

ah, that would be a good time as well yeah

[unkempt raven]

Ashows.

[brisk turtle]

can't wait to see all the new weapons in ashlands

ashlands ||especially if it's true that it's the biome with the most new weapons not even counting the gem variants||

[rose swan]

Maybe put that in spoilers by the way 😁

[brisk turtle]

Eh is that a policy? It's in the preview...

[arctic wharf]

Not a policy, just a common courtesy. A lot of peeps try to avoid the previews so they have a better initial experience on the contents release

I would probably do the same... if I could control myself not to look 🤣

[eternal wyvern]

There's batman in Ashlands. boom spoiled!

[arctic wharf]

Am thankful they keep a lot of the content close to their chests though for this exact reason. I personally love when devs decide to release the content to live without a testing period for this reason also, but it does always mean the likelyhood of major errors is high for said public release...
Just sad that all the content creators will jump onto any public testing as fast as possible for video content 😅

Even if you could have the self control not to watch the videos, you get spoiler images in the thumbnails.

Kinda wish the testing was a bit more private, and content creators agreed to wait a short period after release prior to posting videos. Or even just to not put images of said content for the thumbnails. That would be the most ideal for me hahaha.

Just how I would like it though yeah.

[pure patio]

@fluid olive They've considered the "quick stack to all", but because of the way multiplayer and "owning" chests while they're open works, it would be very complicated for very little overall gain as far as the intended gameplay goes.

[fluid olive]

Fair enough

[granite geyser]

Almost sure the way quick stack works now killed the option that suggestion refers to.

Otherwise they would've done it that way from the beginning

[unkempt raven]

@fluid olive - the reason given for not being able to craft with a full inventory despite the act of crafting freeing a slot is that the game needs an empty inventory slot to "reserve" for the crafted item. Games that allow crafting with a full inventory does this by having an invisible inventory slot that is used before the item is moved back into the visible inventory - and apparently there's a nonzero chance of the item becoming stuck there, making you lose the mats and the new item.
Whether there's a way to make the nonzero chance become zero and if so whether it'll be a thing in Valheim I do not know.

[fluid olive]

man i'm two for two :(

Before i even suggest it, what tech thing is stopping crafting from chests for working

[pure patio]

On the plus side, if you just hold down E when you open a chest you will automatically quick-stack everything to it, so it's easier than hitting the button

[fluid olive]

OH IS THAT TRUE

[pure patio]

Nothing technical. They've just decided that's not really gameplay they want, and it's likely also tied to the open/owning chests thing as well.

[arctic wharf]

Still waiting for my Shift-E insert all option for crafting stations 🤭

best mod that should just be base game

[unkempt raven]

I have only one real request for improvment of the game. Let me pet my wolves without making them follow me or walk.

[pure patio]

Just pet them twice. They want twice the pets anyway.

[unkempt raven]

That still stops them from wandering freely, and not too long ago they started keeping their commands also when reloaded.

Once you pet a wolf now it's stuck having a command of some sort.

[brisk hollow]

I, too, breed wolves outside my walls, only to be found in the surrounding wilderness creating drops from the local wildlife. If you pet them then they stop :(

[unkempt raven]

I just like having them roam my base.

[silk halo]

is it cool? is it fun? is it valheim?

also, don't try to make the game something it will never become like a MMO hosted by the devs

[verbal rivet]

the suggestion for only looping music if its a boss fight is a must have honestly

[rose swan]

I’d really like to see some color variations for wolves someday, I think they’re so cool to have around lol

[ashen tinsel]

Maybe not a sorting button due to said ownership restraints, but a sorting monkey or magic chest that eventually finds and stacks resources over time would be fantastic. Equivalent of "dump things in the purple chest and they'll probably be in the right place in range tomorrow"

[unkempt raven]

Will it make the bees happy?

[low marsh]

ahh... thanx... i tried to think thru the code and did not think it would be too difficult... guess it has been too long since i had to do any coding 🙂

[rose swan]

There’s been a lot of really great suggestions recently!

[full prairie]

@verbal rivet Horses are another thing devs have been firm on not adding, I think for similar reasons for not adding the bear

[verbal rivet]

ah makes sense, i just would like an alternative option to the lox

@olive yacht a recycling bench type thing is already in the game as the ||obliterator. This machine is turns anything you don't want into a small amount of coal.||

[boreal iris]

can we please have more furniture

[simple hound]

I'm sorry?

how long were you going to withold this information?

[pure patio]

Y'all terrible at reading release notes

[unkempt raven]

They contain spoilers.

[silk halo]

yes but the spoilers are optional, you have to click into them specifically to see them

[karmic flax]

It literally tells you when you hover over chests

[simple hound]

witholding that information as well

[granite geyser]

@timber heart which poison dmg?

[timber heart]

player based, for now it feels least effective of all elemental damage

[granite geyser]

You can destroy enemies from plains and even mistlands with poison (ooze) bombs and they're a "weapon" from 2-3 biomes below those enemies. Even draugr fang...

It's actually arguably the best dmg type

While receiving little to no dmg

[timber heart]

how is it better than fire dmg when fire deals about the same numbers and can be stacked?

[granite geyser]

Ooze bombs apply consecutively as long as enemies enter the poison cloud. Meaning it can even last longer than fire.

Fire arrows are completely useless beyond their tier, and you get the fire staff in that same biome which would obviously outdmg the bombs.

And still, you find the bile bombs which are the upgrade. And they deal poison and fire

[arctic wharf]

Many enemies are resistant to Poison damage which tends to contribute to it feeling weaker than fire damage.

[granite geyser]

You can even kill enemies while they're on the other side of some obstacles inside the mines

[wispy crater]

Would y'all also want a selection of consumable spell runes available to craft at the Galdur table? I would love a way to mimic the magical abilities of different enemies. At least more magic options than the 4 currently available

[granite geyser]

Fulings and seeker are neutral to it and they're the current strongest enemies in the game. Making it effective

[granite geyser]

Those options will expand for later biomes, not earlier

[arctic wharf]

I am just saying in general, it's a minor detail many might miss.

[granite geyser]

And no, it will probably not change. Early enemies and combat are definitely not balanced around having magic available so early

[arctic wharf]

While I don't see more magic ever being introduced prior to mistlands, I do know that it will remain one of the core playstyles going forward.
IG have talked about that much.

So expect to see more within some compacity within the remaining biomes 😉

[wispy crater]

I did specify crafting at the Galdur table so you wouldn't have it available until you have the rest of the magic available anyway

[granite geyser]

Ah, I see. Fair enough then

[wispy crater]

But like the fishing update giving more reasons to go back to early biomes when you're in late game, it could provide incentives to return to the early biomes for resources that are available but not used much

[arctic wharf]

My #1 hope will always be some content added within these last few biomes that gives more reason to continue exploring through the whole world and not just the last few biomes themselves.
To that end, I would always not mind even just the continued usefulness of some of their resources too. Though, they have been somewhat continuing to use them. Mostly on food ofc.

But ofcourse, it would be better to find or make an item that suddenly has uses around the world at spots that used to not mean much to us yet due to not having the right item prior to interact with it. I love how that opens up the world more and gets you excited to backtrack to the interesting locations you may have seen prior.

And how it keeps the whole map more interesting.

Not just 10% or so of it.🤭

[wispy crater]

Exactly! It'll make the exploration of the map more valuable if it means more throughout the whole playthrough

[rose swan]

Just want to see what others think. So I really like raids and building defenses for my base. But what if when you got the message that you’re being raided, you had (for example) 30 seconds to kinda prepare? I understand the sentiment of being caught off guard and that it adds to chaos of raids, but perhaps that feeling could still be captured even with a slight buffer period? I feel like this could eliminate some of the annoyance that some players feel, but still maintain a fun feature of the game.

[brisk turtle]

This idea has been suggested before 🙂 some sort of a raid warning

would be interesting. I feel like the devs wouldn't be amenable to the idea but who knows

[rose swan]

Ahh interesting! Personally I don’t mind too much, I think defenses are a vital part of your build, and if you don’t build them you’re planning to fail 👀 with that being said, I do understand a lot of players being simply annoyed at being so caught off guard- and I can agree to a point.

We have modifiers though, so it’s not really issue though 🤷🏼‍♂️

[arctic wharf]

I would personally not mind a small added buffer prior to mobs spawning. Somewhat feels like this might already exist but hard to tell.
But yeah, hard to say it is something the devs would take the time to add.

Agree on letting us craft fish into raw fish on the fly btw. Would help with inventory management too considering fish come in different sizes.

[rose swan]

I didn’t even consider that, that’s a really good point.

[unreal schooner]

Mb you need to have a knife in your inv as well then

[rose swan]

I considered that, but I feel that would be slightly too complex. I think less is more in this scenario 🙂

[granite geyser]

@frigid patrol won't happen

[olive yacht]

What if things in previous biomes gets unlocked as you progress such a defeating Moder would get stuff in meadows unlocked or something

[night cave]

well, spoiler killing the Queen unlocks seekers in other biomes. Haven't seen any misthares elsewhere tho.

[barren elk]

||Killing the elder allows greydwarfs and their variations to spawn anywhere during nights,
Killing bonemass allows skeletons to do so,
Killing yagluth allows fulings to spawn, killing the queen allows ticks to spawn||

Actually not anywhere mostly meadows and blackforest

[night cave]

@barren elk hadn't noticed the difference, but thanks for the update/correction 😀

[barren elk]

I have never seen seekers outside mistlands

[night cave]

Mostly in dark forest biome in my experience. May show up elsewhere tho.

[queen glade]

Please, more Troll mouse pads in stocc!

[open cloud]

Seekers spawn in black forest, mountains and plains at night after queen has been defeated

[wooden sable]

lol I literally just discovered Fulings in the forest today and I beat Yag like 6 months ago... that's how rarely I go out at night

[wanton edge]

I think a small raid buffer before the raid starts would be nice - especially with hildir's clothing, I'd like to chill building and farming in them but then I feel like I have to carry my armor all the time in case a raid happens, and then have to stress swap and hope I'm fast enough doing that and have to have good food on me etc.
Vs the idea of having a "in case of raid" chest you can run to with tasty food / bukeperries, and an armor stand with the functionality of autoswapping your gear (still have to take time to put it on, but it queues it all up like you can already do if you have it in your inventory), that is really appealing and makes it feel more like preparing defenses vs just trying to always carry everything you need like a paranoid murder viking

And allows me to carry more stuff for building instead of all my chunky armor

[wintry bobcat]

I like the idea of “in case you get raided” chests and use them in the Lategame sometimes. I usually have no problem getting to it and getting equipped at the start of a raid tho

[wanton edge]

perhaps I've been too paranoid in assuming there isn't enough time XD It certainly feels fast sometimes - like I have enough time to swap gear if its on me, but doesn't feel like much time to run to a chest

[wintry bobcat]

Also depends on your defenses I suppose. If you have just a little wall around your base it often takes mobs ages to break through

[finite vapor]

Lol yep I have call to arms box for the damn hildir raids, fire mead healing meads stam meads ready for that bastard. Spare arrows in box just in case too

[stuck blade]

@granite geyser you've been cooking with your suggestions lately ngl

[spark talon]

What if we get a variety of crossbows to the early stages of the game, so that there was greater competition with bows?

[rose swan]

I agree, I do like the idea of a raid overhaul like Reanu suggested, in some way shape or form. The raids are alot of fun! But I actually thinking giving a small buffer period would actually add a lot to the feature.

[wanton edge]

Yeah! I don't think I like the idea of being able to essentially choose the location of the raid, but a time buffer or potentially some other tweak I like

[unreal schooner]

I believe some potential time buffer before each raid would ruin a normal pace of the game a bit.

[rose swan]

For example, you get the message ‘the ground is shaking’ and you have 30 seconds before the first troll spawns and the raid officially begins, you feel like this would ruin the pace a bit?

[amber wind]

I feel like the point of raids is to keep you on your toes. Seems like it would defeat the purpose by letting you decide the location of the raid. Swapping perspective towards the aggressor, wouldn't you want to catch the enemy with their pants down? Isn't that the point of the raid? Why should it be different for the players?

[unreal schooner]

I think yes. It will make you switch for the raid 30 sec earlier, thus removing the surprise effect as well. Raids will become more of a routine for you and being sudden and taking you off guard is their best part currently

If the difficulty of those raids is increased then mb it won't affect the pace

[rose swan]

Gotcha, I respect that stance. To me, I still think there could very well be a surprise factor if given a short timer. You still have to stop what you’re doing and rush to get ready, and you’re still likely getting your base/defenses attacked. Maybe not me personally, but I know a lot of players get frustrated when they get raided when doing tasks such as carrying heavy loads, moving storage around, building in a rooftop, etc.

Honestly, I like that idea- I’d be all for making raids more difficult/longer/more enemies of the trade was a 20-30 second buffer time.

[amber wind]

I feel for the people who dislike raids because they are too focused on building...isn't there a world modifier to remove or reduce raids? Does enabling "passive enemies" also disable raiding? Would this accomplish the same thing?

[rose swan]

Right, I think ultimately that’s where the compromise is. Players who are annoyed with raids can simply turn them off. I think there is a small minority of players who do enjoy the idea of raids, but believe it could be tuned a bit to make them more enjoyable. They’re still really fun in my opinion. But yeah, I think you’re right- it effectively does accomplish the same thing.

[unreal schooner]

The problem is that raids are different atm in terms of a real threat to you. Most of them are too easy, and giving extra 30 sec to those is too much for me. Some of them are still challenging and this frustration they bring is actually a good part, it makes your experience more vivid and colorful. Ofc there are people who don't like any type of frustration in games

[amber wind]

@unreal schooner I agree. But I'm not that far in yet. The worst raid we had was a couple of trolls appearing and destroying a portion of our base (the one we just finished building). Several deaths later, we managed to kill off one troll while another just wandered away. Then went about the bizness of rebuilding. It was definitely a highlighting moment of the game. Not fun at the time, but hilarious after the fact. 😉

I feel like rebuilding your base is part of the "authentic raid experience."

[slender dirge]

teaches you how to build better bases the trolls can't reach easily

[olive yacht]

Evrytime i try to make a suggestion with 💡 the screen only shakes! Why can't i suggest in the suggestion lib?

[rose swan]

What if we could somehow create our own tar pits? Would something like that even be possible?

[rose swan]

There’s a 5 minute timer on posting messages in suggestions

[olive yacht]

ahh, thank's for letting me know. 🙂

[rose swan]

Sometimes I forget the lightbulb too 😅 but it’s good because it prevents discussions in suggestions. No problem!

#suggestions message @acoustic goblet I believe due to the design of the game engine, this is impossible- it’s a fun idea though! 🙂

[acoustic goblet]

Oh i see haha 🥲 since the game came out i wanted to build a hobbit town

[full prairie]

its because the game is made in unity and the ground is made using a heightmap and not actual voxels

[fluid olive]

Isn’t the raid meta just to wait out the timer THEN clean up the mess

[unreal schooner]

i don't think wolves or trolls would politely wait with you. Skellies are real bros, they even get tired of the raids by themselves

[amber wind]

Veteran strategy is to kite the mobs away from your base and keep them occupied till they give up and go home. But when your base is HUGE and you are under-geared (or caught with your pants down) for the tier of mobs raiding, it is sometimes hard to do.

[fluid olive]

The only raids I actively fight are trolls

Most others just can’t do any serious damage other than KILLING MY BEES AGAIN

[unreal schooner]

You must be talking about early to mid game right?

[amber wind]

Having to tame new boars is part of the "authentic raid experience". Poor guys are troll magnets.

[unreal schooner]

I would say nasty and awful things now, but i don't get taming in normal settings vanilla kind of game

[fluid olive]

I’ve never tamed anything other than a lox that died to mosquitos

[unreal schooner]

That was not the healthiest one 😄

[fluid olive]

And a pig who mysteriously vanished one day

[unreal schooner]

probably was one of those raiders

[rose swan]

Taming has its pros for sure, especially for builders. Having a nice supply of leather scraps is good for banners, having a nice supply of wolf pelts is great for rugs and more. I think having animals around and inside your base is also great for decorative reason. A part of me wishes that there was a decent way to avoid boars getting absolutely obliterated during raids that doesn’t involve stone walls or terrain walls, because it is nice to have a simple little pasture where they can roam a good bit.

[unreal schooner]

Idk you get plenty of this stuff even without taming. Ofc you can justify it in many ways, and it's a nice mechanics at least to try, just not worth it on normal settings

I think there should be some kind of how to tame animals instructions built inside the game itself, cuz new players often prefer not to bind themselves with taming. And only later find out that it could be beneficial if... made earlier progresswise, if a 1-2 star, etc

[rose swan]

I think you absolutely get a fair supply of materials from those animals without taming, but there’s definitely potential to get more with taming, especially with 2 star animals.

There’s a runestone that implies you can tame creatures, isn’t there?

[unkempt raven]

The game tells you that you can tame animals and what you need. It doesn't tell you that you have to be near but out of sight, but that should be one of the first things you try.

[unreal schooner]

It tells you you can tame but not how you can tame

[rose swan]

The game certainly doesn’t hold your hand on how to tame, but I personally like how it kinda encourages you to experiment and figure it out, I think it’s neat.

[unkempt raven]

Well, it says the boars will eat roots of the ground so I guess that should have included berries and shrooms as well.

[unreal schooner]

For a new player it still would be a bit confusing i guess

[unkempt raven]

This is one of the major strengths of the game in my opinion. It tells you what you need and then just hints at a lot of stuff.

[unkempt raven]

My first attempt at taming boars was giving them food and sitting down next to them to show them I wasn't dangerous.

That clearly didn't work so I tried giving them food and then not sitting right next to them.

[rose swan]

I picked up on taming when I came across those little hamlets in the meadows that have half destroyed boar pens 😁

[unreal schooner]

You guys say everything correctly and i agree with you. But my point is a bit more subtle. I think adding some tool for taming could possibly add to this mechanics even more

[unkempt raven]

I saw chicken coops and expected chickens at some point. :p

[rose swan]

Hmm maybe in the tooltip of mushrooms or something it could simply include ‘boar loves these’ or something?

[unkempt raven]

That would remove the whole "discovery" part of learning about taming if yo're told it upfront like that,

[unreal schooner]

My first playthrough i tamed a 1star wolf who was terrorizing me. I spent days to figure everything out in game, eventually tamed him, called him Lucky and in 15 sec he was killed by drakes

But i really saw dozens of people just skip any taming their first time playing. Even if normally they would probably try it. Just you have a lot of variables about it prior to trying, so it makes you kinda not get distracted by it

[unkempt raven]

A lot of people just want everything to be done fast so spending half an hour taming animals and then waiting for them to breed is inefficient compared to just murderizing a few boars and moving on.

[rose swan]

It’s probably that way because as you mentioned, taming doesn’t offer a huge advantage to the majority of players.

[unreal schooner]

Mb adding some taming tool like a shephard crook or how do you call in english this stick with a hoop around the neck which will need your stamina to move a wild animal around, mb this will make it a bit more straightforward for people to try

[rose swan]

Or perhaps if a sort of lead could be crafted to move boar around with ease, this would make it more obvious that taming is a feature. Additionally, if there was an easier way to move animals around, this would could further encourage players to settle multiple bases. Of course, moving tamed animals has been talked about pretty extensively, so there’s not a lot more to add on that front 😅

[arctic wharf]

If there was more benefit to gathering animal materials in large quantities than there could be a great reason to breed, especially considering you con propagate 2 star animals for far more drops.
But as it is, yeah it's just far easier to run around killing what you find to tide you over until you past the point of their usefulness.

[granite geyser]

@clever talon which long swords?

[karmic flax]

krom probably

[rose swan]

#suggestions message interesting, I find myself sleeping all the time when I can- helps farm growth, avoid night spawns, and in some cases, prevents cold debuff.

Minecraft added a feature that deterred restless nights, and it was a disaster 👀

[granite geyser]

"Sleep feels optional"

Yeah, almost as if it actually was...

[barren elk]

Same sleeping in valheim is so useful

[karmic flax]

sleep deprived debuff sounds like hell on a multiplayer server if people cant sleep at the same time

[silk halo]

taming starred wolves requires you to be out for at least a couple nights as well, and mats you can't find any other time, like fenring trophies, wraith trophies etc

night would have to be much longer than it is now for it to be fair in any way

[rose swan]

#suggestions message this is nice thought, I’m totally on board with using the night as an advantage like @silk halo mentioned.

[fluid olive]

It also speeds up furnaces

The issue is, I don’t really spring at the idea to sleep, unless I’m smelting. The night spawns (other than wolves) aren’t really any trouble, and cold is really a nothing debuff with rested

But also, Valhiem is really good at not punishing you for not keeping up with the survival aspects, but instead rewarding you for playing along

So sleeping should give a reward for playing along, outside of just skipping night entirely

Hell, tie it with that other suggestion for night being better for sneaking and fighting, so you get a real choice for exploring and fighting

The cover of night makes you stealthier, and makes it easier to snipe or not engage at all, but you’re a cold guy and have more enemies

In exchange, day has enemies spotting you easier, more of them aggressing, but you get a nice rested buff to try and counteract it

[granite geyser]

So what happens already?

[fluid olive]

Does it? I’ve got like, 400 hours and I’ve never noticed a difference

[granite geyser]

Enemies have a harder time spotting you at night

[fluid olive]

You’re probably right but it doesn’t feel like it

Tbf, valhiem stealth just isn’t very stealthy

[arctic wharf]

It is true, but it's not always that noticable when you are running around exploring.

Stealth can be a bit funky.
Not actively sneaking = no stealth,
sneaking with low skill = barely stealthy,
sneaking with high skill = basically invisible. 🤣

[granite geyser]

@trim olive

1. A lock on system wouldn't fix the vertical combat issue

2. there's no real advantage in having directional pickaxe/axe attacks, the ground is always beneath you, so pickaxe should always hit downwards anyway. And for axes you either chop trees horizontally or you do so vertically, again, tools don't receive any benefit from being able to direct their hits

3. Try not to post multiple suggestions in one post

[trim olive]

Partner 💀 it was 2 suggestions, 2 is not a multitude; Directing the effect of the tool to somewhere as an specific spot would help with the difficult spots and angles as well as preventing the action on undesired elements; Addressing your statement: “a lock on system wouldn’t fix the vertical combat issue” Combat has no issues, it just gets very inconvenient to engage on most terrains and levels, making the use of some specific weapons not suitable for some terrain types, therefore some function, system, or mechanic could help making combat more bearable on different terrain types and levels.

If I may may suggest you something, it would be very helpful to read something more elaborated as a suggestion rather than a straight negative response, adding something that you think would be an improvement or a posible solution is actually really helpful, while saying something is not viable or possible is not as helpful. 🗿👍

[granite geyser]

Yes, you're saying it yourself, it was two suggestions, which is greater than one. And it should be only one suggestion per post

The vertical combat issue is a limitation of the character model, not the weapons. Even if they implemented a lock on mechanic the only thing that would accomplish is having a lock on mechanic that doesn't provide anything useful except that it was added for the sake of being added, the vertical hit issue would still be present.

Then you use the hoe alongside the pickaxe for better terraforming. That's the solution, being able to precision hit wouldn't accomplish anything either. And trees are either horizontal or vertical, axes can hit both by simply attacking

[trim olive]

About the tools, I understand that either you don’t know what I’m talking about or you know something I don’t yet you don’t mention it.

About the “lock on mechanic” it doesn’t need to be necessarily a “lock on mechanic” just for the sake of it so I’m assuming you don’t have a wider view of the picture so it’s pointless to elaborate about this with you because I don’t know how to explain this to you so you can understand what I’m trying to go for. I still don’t see you writing a possible solution or anything like a suggestion to overcome “The vertical combat issue” because of the “limitation of the character model” so, since there is nothing else I can say about the other subjects, until you approach with something to overcome the combat issue I have nothing else to do in this chat.

Thank you for your time 🗿🤙

[amber wind]

@royal needle The whole death penalty is broken if you create any kind of permanent levelling checkpoint, in my opinion. Creating a permanent checkpoint every skill level, or even every 10 levels just makes it so that people will spend the time to grind to these checkpoints before doing anything risky or daring. Plus, once you reach skill 100, there would be no death penalty to apply ever again. To really create a fluid skill levelling system, you have to have the penalty apply no matter what. However, you can also adjust the death penalty using world modifiers to lower the amount of skill experience lost per death (to something like 0.5% or 1%). Plus, when you die, you have a limited amount of time in which dying again won't drain your skill level. So if you die in quick succession, you only lose that 5% one time.

I'm not that far into the game, but it would be cool to see more weapons/armor/items that grant a skill bonus. In that way, having the item equipped (or in your inventory) could act as a permanent skill level...assuming you don't lose that item (though dying would mean you have to recover the item before you gain the bonus again). So far I've only seen set bonuses from armor sets. But it could be cool to see higher tier weapons/armors have individual +skill affixes added to them. Or a way to add these affixes to items or weapons permanently through an NPC or some other questline.

[royal needle]

i see your point

I just dont like the idea of you getting the 50 swords checkpoint, then dying soon after (i die a lot haha)

[wintry bobcat]

Lucky for you there are world modifiers that will make that penalty much less

[royal needle]

There could be a world modifier for it hahaha, but i see how that would be a lot of work for a small option

[royal needle]

yeah but i still suck and die a crap ton lmao

[wintry bobcat]

Death Penalty World Modifier

[royal needle]

i dont wanna keep my items haha

[wintry bobcat]

Fair

[royal needle]

thats right, im a needy son'bitch hahaha

[wintry bobcat]

I’m playing on hardcore penalty right now 😅

[royal needle]

hahaha

Ive tried playing on hard before and i liked it up until mistlands haha

im starting a normal difficulty run now (i know i could start on hard and change it to normal later but i dont wanna :))

[wintry bobcat]

Mhm I don’t like changing difficulty mid-run

[karmic flax]

@sly reef https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Staff_of_protection

also what is a "a powerful weapon (like really huge hammer or axe, or even sword)" when we have all of that already?

[amber wind]

My take is "Are you having fun?" If the answer is no, adjusting the world modifiers at any time to make the game "more fun" is perfectly fine, imo.

[amber wind]

Yes, I do wish the options for the experience loss penalty and losing your inventory were separate modifiers. But it is what it currently is.

[hoary pollen]

When testing Mistlands on the Public test server I died a LOT and my stats suffered ) but I learn't how to beat the biom.

[hoary vessel]

I feel like they are going to release public test

[karmic flax]

yeah they will

[granite geyser]

@sly reef please play the game before suggesting

Also

For this #suggestions message

See this
#news message

[granite geyser]

They can't announce something they don't know, if they're still not sure, they still can't say anything

And not following that protocol would probably be a huge detriment

@hoary vessel @royal needle it's impossible

[hoary vessel]

?

[granite geyser]

#suggestions message

[hoary vessel]

Wydm

[royal needle]

You mean like water physics?

It wouldn't be proper water physics, it's also on a 2D heightmap, so it would be easy to implement

[granite geyser]

The water is already a heightmap. What you ask is already there.

Difference is that what you want is make it at a certain altitude. The way of doing it with current water system pretty much means raising the heightmap to mountain level and I'm sure flooding almost the entire world wouldn't be a good idea

[unkempt raven]

Ah yes. Has been conclusively ruled out by the devs because it pretty much would mean redoing a lot of the development and break all worlds, but "it's easy to implement."

[hoary vessel]

Bro doesn't know what a fountain is

[arctic wharf]

For the water at different heights, I don't think it is neccessarily hard to code, but rather it just comes with a whole host of problems that have to be solved due to being able to edit the terrain.

There is for sure ways to go about it, but not easily.
All of these "problems" sort of vanish the moment you can't manipulate the terrain though, hence why it was easy enough to add water rooms within the ice caves for example (which are technically placed far up into the sky).

[unkempt raven]

Water inside unbreakable terrain works well, but that comes with unbreakable terrain and won't be any sort of flowing water.

[arctic wharf]

Yeeeeep, I don't think any flowing water even exists though.

Aside from tar, which doesn't count. 🤣

[rose swan]

Stupid question, I’m very ignorant when it comes to coding and stuff. But why is tar so different when it comes to liquid physics? I just discovered tar pits recently for myself, and the liquid physics are great! Is it possible for something similar to be done with other liquids? Just curious for the sake of learning is all.

[unreal quiver]

Only if those liquids were in similar size to tar pits.

It cannot certainly be done in a large scale as anything bigger than a pond would destroy most PCs.

[rose swan]

Well first of all, I’m glad you’re back Uno, haven’t seen you since the hack!

Ahh that makes sense. Guess we’re lucky enough to have tar lol

[olive yacht]

#suggestions message we already have that @sly reef

[brave glen]

large scale liquid sim obliterates game

[rose swan]

Interesting, good to know, thanks for sharing!

#suggestions message misunderstood this suggestion entirely lol this would be a neat feature.

[sly reef]

I can't see massage, what are u talking about?

[olive yacht]

hahaha

[sly reef]

Hehehehe

[rose swan]

#suggestions message what happens when you die and your skill level drops below the requirement? 😅

[wintry bobcat]

Uhm, I'd assume that then you could no longer use the weapon requiring a higher skill than you have? What else would you expect?

[pure patio]

The whole point of skills is that they're intended to be an addition to base capabilities, not a gate of any kind. Not to mention that would make the game even more grindy than it already is.

[wintry bobcat]

Yea it would feel bad making it that much harder to switch to a new type of weapon. Quite awful imo

[karmic flax]

what's that? the first crossbow is mistlands tier? too bad you don't have 60 crossbow skill to use it

[wintry bobcat]

skill issue (quite literally)

[rose swan]

Yeah, that’s what I was getting at lol, would probably not be a good feature.

[wintry bobcat]

Ah so was a criticism not so much a question

[pure patio]

Socratic dialogue, leading people to their own answer through questions 😉

[unreal quiver]

I'm certain people would universally love that...

[royal needle]

Bollocks

[unreal schooner]

#suggestions message if we can't have a single (1, one) small and secretive lynx, we'd better not have any cats at all

[royal needle]

KITTIES

[royal needle]

Dont deny me my kitties

[mortal lichen]

Devs have said multiple times they don't plan on adding cats, ever.

[unreal quiver]

I've only accepted the adding of bats and the upcoming vultures as to add more normal animals to the list

And I really wish they changed the current normal animals into something much more valheim-fitting

[rose swan]

||I’m wondering if the vultures will just be those sort of reskinned birds though? Kinda like the crows in the Black Forest? Might just be a source of feathers possibly.|| Ashlands spoiler kinda

[unreal quiver]

They appear in the last video

[fluid olive]

I'd like a sabercat from skyrim, but im biased

[untold urchin]

||Imagine having to fight through a crowd of carrion birds for your corpse; would be a deterrent against running in naked to grab your items.||

[wintry bobcat]

@stark ermine I see your spear of flames and raise you a spear of lightning

Although I guess it might get similar to himmin afl

[arctic wharf]

Would love if repair just repaired everything myself hehe... its like that for quite a few other newer games and there is a mod for it in valheim too, and ofcourse obviously I must admit I prefer it quite a bit.
That plus the shift + E insert all from a mod is like the simplest yet best two mod additions IMO.
Such small things but a lot of spam Inputs removed. 🤣

[amber wind]

Yes, single click to auto-repair everything eligible in your inventory seems like a simple QoL improvement...a no-brainer way to not waste people's time. I really don't see the downside besides losing out on the satisfying sound of multiple repairs being done in rapid succession. I'm okay with losing out on that.

If they were clever, they could even implement the sound by just having it trigger the sound effect multiple times subsequently instead of all at the same time.

Or...go the other direction making it take multiple clicks to repair a single item. Each click is like the strike of hammer, returning only a portion of the item's durability. Really make repairing everything fully requiring a few dozen clicks...prolonging the agony.

[unreal quiver]

Kinds funny how people keep suggesting ashlands stuff as if it'd make a difference

The biome is close to release, everything that will be there must be in the tweaking stage. Chances of something completely new being added mid-development are pretty much 0%

[brisk turtle]

Nothing wrong with ideas!

[unreal quiver]

True, but would be better to redirect that brain power into ideas for DN or even better, ocean

#OceanShouldBeDoneBeforeDN

[brisk turtle]

Best to let people direct their brain power wherever they want

[short wing]

Except for world domination, that never pans out.

[amber wind]

Suggest everything. Expect nothing.

[untold urchin]

Suggest everything. Be malded at by people who think you're making the game too easy and get buried in recycle emoji.

[unreal quiver]

Problem is when they suggest everything and expect everything as well...

Which must be like half of them

[wanton atlas]

problem is. most people suggest the same thing over and over and over :/

[short wing]

There's not nearly enough over in that sentence. Over.

[wanton atlas]

like. what would a waterfall add to the game besides ambiance?

want to die by crashing a boat down stream?

or be soft-locked from traveling on them?

[brisk turtle]

some of them want the ambiance, some of them probably want moats

[brisk turtle]

It would help if we reposted the "Stuff Devs have ruled out" list. Also did you see this post I made?

#suggestion-discussion message

I think something like this would be helpful to pin and maybe require people to read before posting a suggestion

because right now there is a lot of wasted effort going into suggestions that will never happen and devs wading through them

[wanton atlas]

I can never force someone on discord to read anything before posting :/

[brisk turtle]

There are like onboarding things now 🤔 And also maybe you could have a role you have to opt into before you can post suggestions or something.

IDK. There are potential solutions to this problem I guess is all I'm saying

[wanton atlas]

I wish I could but onboarding don't help

if I lock suggestions behind a role. people will post suggestions all over the place

[hoary vessel]

More terrain changes so every meadows wouldn't be the same maybe boosted fishing locations and animals gather around rivers which waterfalls make

[brisk turtle]

this does not sound like valheim to me

[hoary vessel]

I just told what they COULD bring

[wanton atlas]

can't make that

[hoary vessel]

Not what I want them to make

[brisk turtle]

I think a lot of people want valheim to be a game its not because it was sort of the first one in its relative genre of open-world chill survival crafting. There are soo many more games like it now that everyone should be able to find the niche they want I hope

[wanton atlas]

and animals usually only go to waterfalls in anime/movies / hunting games 😄

[hoary vessel]

Have you ever been hunting?

[wanton atlas]

yes

[brisk turtle]

Smiffe's point was, I think, "what would waterfalls add to Valheim's core game experience", not "what could waterfalls potentially do in any game"

[wanton atlas]

potentionally we can add a billion things.

[brisk turtle]

Valheim is about a lonely viking battling progressive challenges in a spooky afterlife - I don't see what waterfalls would add to that sort of game

[wanton atlas]

and then add a bilion years of game development time :/

[hoary vessel]

But you have to remember most suggestions are just things people thought would be nice and finding think much more

[brisk turtle]

right, which is why I think we should have a "what makes a good suggestion" kind of guide

[wanton atlas]

another thing most people won't read 🥲

[brisk turtle]

so at least some people will read it

[hoary vessel]

But I'm not sure do developers actually read them

[brisk turtle]

some will! It's not zero! I tried to help with some of the work 🥲

[wanton atlas]

I am an actual developer 🙂

[brisk turtle]

the developers read every single suggestion

[hoary vessel]

So most people don't want to right an essay

[brisk turtle]

if you are writing an essay that's probably not a good suggestion

[wanton atlas]

it can potentionally be

[hoary vessel]

Thats why I said Im not sure

[wanton atlas]

if it's good, spaced out and easy to read

[hoary vessel]

If I understood your point correctly you wanted people to think what would they bring to the game

[brisk turtle]

RE: a paragraph being an ok suggestion - Potentially, I guess, but most times when people put a whole paragraph it's multiple suggestions, or way too specific a suggestion

[hoary vessel]

Not sure about others but I can't tell why something would be good for the game in little words bc there is so much to think about is it really necessary will people like it what is the point of the addition

And much more

[hoary vessel]

That is a whole other problem usually when someone has multiple suggestions In the same message I personally don't agree with all his suggestions

[brisk turtle]

The pins request you put only one suggestion per post

[hoary vessel]

I know

(this conversation is keeping me sane I have a long train ride so please dont leave)

[brisk turtle]

lmao

sorry, I won't be here forever

[hoary vessel]

I know I have to find other people to talk to

[unreal schooner]

A good suggestion =/= an upvoted suggestion. Why people keep confusing it

[short wing]

Stops lurking Hi there.

[hoary vessel]

Not always

[hoary vessel]

Hello

[unreal schooner]

Ofc it can be both but most of the time these are completely different categories

[short wing]

I see you have stumbled upon Ales to talk with, don't drink Ales or you'll lose a talking partner.

[hoary vessel]

And what do you mean but =/= never seen it

[unreal schooner]

Not equal

[hoary vessel]

Oh I agree I thought you meant that they were equal

[unreal schooner]

I am just passing by, temporary solution to talk to

[hoary vessel]

I promise I won't I'm more of a juice drinker

[short wing]

I'll be around for another 3 and a half hour ish, so I can take over when you are gone.

[unreal schooner]

Ok, i'll pass on you then rn

[hoary vessel]

I'm going to be in a train for the next 4 and a half hour's depending on when mobile data is good

Been reading through suggestions people really don't like ereandels suggestions

I remember talking with my step father like two years ago or something it was close after launch we were talking and the idea of Battle Royale came in my mind and we talked about it our idea was like split people into teams and divide the map into quadrons every team has their own quadron and then people build and gather loot and after some time people can go attack the others and last team standing wins like in walls

Now the idea doesn't sound really good anymore and I would be scared to post it

[short wing]

Something like that was posted before the hack.

[hoary vessel]

It would be kinda cool if I had like a big friend group and like prep period would be couple weeks

But other wise not that good of a idea

[short wing]

Most of ereandels suggestions aren't thought out, weird or confusing, the ones that are clear and not weird do get some traction.

[hoary vessel]

In my opinion they are not all bad but not like things I want in valheim

And some are just I think I Write

[short wing]

There are a few good ones but they are in the minority.

[hoary vessel]

They just aren't Valheim like ideas they would work in other survival games but blood magic? Not for me

Or something like thor boss fight

[brisk turtle]

?

[hoary vessel]

He means that a good suggestion doesn't equal an upvoted suggestion

[brisk turtle]

Yes I was just wondering how that related to the previous discussion

[hoary vessel]

No idea

[unreal quiver]

Especially considering what's good is completely subjective

[mortal lichen]

Hm, 3 in 1 suggestion there

[brisk turtle]

@pliant vortex FYI it's preferred that you only put 1 suggestion per message so it's easier to vote on 🙂

[hoary vessel]

His point probably is that suggestion can have a lot of upvoted and be bad in his opinion

[unreal quiver]

And the opposite

[pliant vortex]

Will do in the future! 🙂

[brisk turtle]

FYI the trapdoor has been suggested a lot! No idea if the devs have said anything about it

I like the idea of hanging skins on walls!

[hoary vessel]

Trap doors are nice but what we really need is big gates

[pliant vortex]

If someone thought of it before it´s usually a good idea

[unreal quiver]

Oh look, another "add water physics" suggestion that has been adamantly ruled out hundreds of times bc it's literally impossible to do but it's suggested again...

[hoary vessel]

Not nesseserily

[plain oak]

As i understand the likes and dislikes are just community opinion, and there are always going to be alot of very vocal people that dont like any change.

[plain oak]

It has?

[hoary vessel]

Nothing is impossible just needs a big over haul of game

[mortal lichen]

People always upvote cats or aircrafts, doesn't mean it's happening

[unreal quiver]

It completely depends on the suggestion itself. Not "no to any change"

[pliant vortex]

Maybe a water pump? Winddriven gives another use for the mill.
And tubing to get that moat going?

[unreal quiver]

You've been here for almost a year, you tell me...

[mortal lichen]

Yall really overestimate the game's physics

[plain oak]

Ive been in here for almost a year, dosnt mean i know WTF happens here

[unreal quiver]

Restarting the entire game development. Done in just five minutes clearly

I miss the "no" list smiffe wrote

[hoary vessel]

It would be cool to make rivers but unrealistic and I know Valheim isn't the most hyper realistic game out there

[unreal quiver]

Although water physics wasn't there iirc.

[plain oak]

Where is Smiffee's list of no-nos?

[unreal quiver]

Lost after the Great Hack

[hoary vessel]

Some no nos are In steam community

[silk mountain]

Tbh I would read something like that and would find it super helpful personally, as I didn't become active here until after The Hack, so I don't know what was often suggested before that and can't search for it.

I think a reasonable way to make people aware of a guide like that would be to either add it to the message people get when they don't add a 💡 at the start of their suggestion (meaning they're likely newer and most in need of such a guide), or at least add a direction in that message to check the pins for it to ensure they're not posting something that will be a waste of their time, and your time as a dev having to read it all.

There will always be people who still refuse to read anything, but I do think it would be beneficial for a good amount of people!

[unreal quiver]

@barren elk It's neither intended that you should reach lvl 100 nor you should even bother yourself to do so.

Skills are a nice-to-have, but they're far from being the essential core mechanic you seem to label them as

[barren elk]

Yes but its stupid that we are offered something to make us move incredibly fast and do incredible damage but we can never reach those powers

[unreal quiver]

You say that last part as if you will gain all 100 levels worth of stats the moment you reach that level

Your stats increase per level, you're could be at lvl 30 of a weapon skill and you'd be gaining the according stats from the level

[unkempt raven]

Getting to 100 is perfectly possible it just take patience and carefullness. It's also completely pointless.

[unreal quiver]

I love that way of putting it lol

Most or all weapon skills dmg are capped at lvl 75

Or stamina, idk

[bitter lodge]

Have the devs stated their stance on adding placeable ladders to the game?

[sly reef]

#suggestions message u need more healing and be mire careful

[karmic flax]

high skill is a reward, not a requirement

[amber wind]

3 solutions to your particular problem ordered by the balance of "fun vs boring": 1. Turn the death penalty down, keep (most of) your skill levels when you die. 2. Go back to the meadows and kill boars and deer till you reach skill 100. Died again? Go back to the meadows and kill boars and deer till you reach skill 100 again. 3. Use the dev console to cheat and bump yourself up to 100 skill.

[unkempt raven]

We have ladders that we can place, what do you mean with "placeable ladders"?

[rose swan]

I imagine he wants directly vertical ladders, and probably hatches and such

Which I imagine would require a climbing animation?

[bitter lodge]

Yeah, buildable ladders for inbase and such. And would probably require a climbing animation unless the devs would be happy with the character just floating upwards 😛

[unkempt raven]

iirc vertical ladders were tested and found to be prone to sending people into space or smash them into the ground. :p

The ship ladders teleport us.

[unreal quiver]

Yes: That they're already there. Since day 1

[amber wind]

How does jumping work?

[bitter lodge]

Where?

[unreal quiver]

Pegster already replied

[unkempt raven]

In your build menu, the piece named wood ladder. Not vertical ladders though.

[karmic flax]

ladders and drawbridges both worked like catapults iirc

[unreal quiver]

They probably need to work on how physics in the game work for drawbridges to work properly

[rose swan]

Put two ladders next to each other and you get an A-frame ladder.🪜 ||be sure you don’t stand on the top two steps, you could fall!||

[bitter lodge]

I should have said a fully vertical ladder

Not at an angle

[unreal quiver]

#suggestion-discussion message

[bitter lodge]

Yes I saw that

[unkempt raven]

Ship ladders work because they teleport us to a specific spot on the ship, I'm not sure that's possible to do properly with a similar object as the ship's ladder that you can place anywhere (at least not without a lot of coding headaches).

[bitter lodge]

I see

[amber wind]

I mean, there has to be some way to adjust your vertical location, as we can jump in the game...we slide down slopes...you can even use the devcommand and fly around.

[unkempt raven]

Yeah I'd guess it's possible, but I'm not sure it would be worth the time it potentially could take to get it right.

[bitter lodge]

If angled ladders work surely a vertical one would. It could even have the same animation, walking up an angled ladder is currently janky enough it could look like climbing

[unreal quiver]

Real question is how feasible it is to overhaul the character model

[amber wind]

Why would they need to overhaul the character model?

[tropic badger]

Are servants (taming of humanoids) a thing for Valheim?

[unkempt raven]

No.

[unreal schooner]

You're a tamed humanoid for bees there, if you think long enough

[bitter lodge]

Bring a friend and make him a serf

[tropic badger]

Any reason why?

[unkempt raven]

Slavery isn't a thing the devs want in the game, and there's no friendly humanoids in the game world for you to hire.

[bitter lodge]

Well he said servant, not slave

[wintry bobcat]

servants/mercenaries aren't encouraged either I think. A lot of people have suggested hiring dvergr for various purposes but I think devs shot it down (there was at least a lot of backlash from community to such suggestions)

[unkempt raven]

The whole point of the game is that you alone are sent there to fight the forsaken.

[wintry bobcat]

@barren elk skills are just for those who like to grind them, they're not required for anything. If you're at 30ish you're fine

Also some are hard to get up high, others level quite quickly naturally. Right now I'm in mountains but I'm already at 60 for several of my skills (and I even have hardcore death penalty on, so lose all skills if I die)

[bitter lodge]

The point of being alone seems a tad moot when you can bring in friends

[unkempt raven]

A small group can also be alone in the world. :>

[amber wind]

You and your 9 friends alone are sent to fight the forsaken....PS. I am agreeing with Pegster...just amending the statement.

[tropic badger]

But you can tame animals to ride them, can't you? So where's the difference? A nox for you to ride or a dvergr to clean your house, I don't really see any difference.

[amber wind]

Hmm...how would taming a dvergr to clean your house create an advantage towards fighting the forsaken? PS. I'm genuinely asking, I could be convinced.

[unkempt raven]

No difference between a sentient being and an animal, no. Certainly not.

[unreal quiver]

To remove their limitations

[bitter lodge]

I think you're looking into this too much. However as for the suggestion, I don't think servants should be a thing. Just do it yourself

[unreal schooner]

Gives you extra comfort

[unreal quiver]

Are you really comparing taming hostile creatures to slaving other humanoids?

[unreal quiver]

I really hope human right activists never know I've owned pets. Otherwise I will be charged and arrested for literal slavery

[bitter lodge]

🙄

[amber wind]

I understand that Dvergr were once intelligent sentient creatures that were punished for attacking the gods. So in that sense, they are kind of like undead human beings...so you can't really "tame" them...it would be like enslaving them. The stones in the game say to basically break them, and pound their bones to dust. That is Odin's will....so no taming...no enslaving...no hiring.

[tropic badger]

Hmm, could it be because I, and a lot of others, don't really give a $^@£€ about the forsaken, and only want to build medieval castles? 🤪

[unkempt raven]

I think you may be confusing dvergr with greydwarves.

[unreal schooner]

those dwarves are all the same

[bitter lodge]

Is there something morally wrong with "slaving" a bunch of pixels?

[amber wind]

Absolutely! I understand where you are coming from. Unfortunately, it's up to the devs and their vision of how they want people to play the game that will affect how the game is developed. Otherwise, I would suggest you make friends with the modding community to figure out how to mod the game into the game you want to play instead.

[unreal quiver]

And what do slaves have to do with that? I've seen plenty of people build castles, no slaves at all on sight...

[tropic badger]

What about skeletons? 😀

[bitter lodge]

Can I point out the original question was for a servant, not a slave.

[amber wind]

Same as the Dvergr...just older and more feeble.

[unreal schooner]

Bone dwarves

[lone prairie]

devs ruled out all servants/slaves/etc.

[unreal quiver]

Yes, the game's target audience. They implement that kind of mechanic and rating goes up, and why would they want their rating to go up?

[tropic badger]

You really got hung up in that word, didn't you? That's why I didn't use it, I used servant, others used the word slaves.

[bitter lodge]

What?

[unreal quiver]

Sure, but does it matter?

Devs said no, devs won't add it. Honestly, that alone should be enough to kill this discussion

[tropic badger]

Where did they post that servants etc was ruled out? I can't find anything like that in here.

[amber wind]

I think UnOriginal is talking about the Content Rating...like M for Mature in the US. Is that what you were talking about?

[tropic badger]

Where dud they say no?

[unreal quiver]

Their game, their decision. Accept it and move on.

It's not like it affects you at all not having a mechanic we haven't needed all this time

[unreal quiver]

In the msgs that were deleted when server got hacked

[amber wind]

Well, they haven't yet...I don't know if they will in the future, but so far it hasn't been implemented. 🙂 But hey, no downside to making the suggestion.

[unreal quiver]

@wanton atlas

[bitter lodge]

I can see why trigger warnings are needed these days. Mention a certain word and someone has an emotional breakdown

[tropic badger]

And they didn't repost? If they really, really didn't want it, wouldn't they repost it?

[karmic flax]

just trust that they were, it's also about not making too much automation

[lone prairie]

there was a dialogue with the Smiffe, and he said that odin send you to valheim and it is you who should pass the trials, not y servants

[rose swan]

Even dialing things back to mercenaries for hire, it’s still against the vision. You’d have to do some digging to find the developers response.

The idea is to prove yourself as a Viking warrior, not as a Viking manager 🙂

[unreal quiver]

As if it was a hurry...

They do more stuff than being in this server

[tropic badger]

Even if the vikings had a bunch of treller. Strange.

[unreal quiver]

I'm still very worried at the "siege being doable solo"...

Please let it no be friendly NPCs

[bitter lodge]

If you want servants, just bring in a friend and make him do your housework. Simple

[amber wind]

I dunno...I could see them just not implementing it if they really didn't want it in the game. Achieves the same goal.

[lone prairie]

well, we are not came in valheim to live, we came here to complete a trial and go on, so no trells, thriving cities, etc.

[rose swan]

#suggestion-discussion message

Here’s a conversation from Smiffe on hired hands and the like 🙂

[bitter lodge]

Bringing in a friend it is then!

[amber wind]

Valheim is all about teaching you self reliance and responsibility. Now stop doing your homework and go play the game!

[sly reef]

Why here in the game no tortures, i mean u literally can kill and enemy, but can't cut off some toes and fingers?

[bitter lodge]

Doesn't really vibe with the game now does it?

[wanton atlas]

#suggestion-discussion message

[sly reef]

So true

[tropic badger]

@wanton atlas Hmm, doesn't look very much like viking culture to me. 😂

[rose swan]

It’s Valheim culture 😉

[wanton atlas]

I won't get into argument over this. read my enormus list soon™️

[sly reef]

Or just enemy can express feelings like fear and u can let poor fuling go and he happily told u where is his village

[amber wind]

It's a game, everyone...it's whatever the IG devs want it to be.

[tropic badger]

Nah, I'll take that discussion directly with the developers. Just sent them an e-mail.

[rose swan]

Hmm… but Smiffe is a developer?

[bitter lodge]

🤔

[rose swan]

Maybe servants and hired hands would be a great mod? 🙂

[tropic badger]

Well, then we take it in the e-mail. I can't write what I mean about his vision about viking culture here, I would be banned. 🤪

[wanton atlas]

I am one of Iron Gates Community Managers and the person who is mostly responsible for Discord

[bitter lodge]

Spoiler alert; the devs say no to the email 🤣

[wanton atlas]

not yet

[sly reef]

But soon?

[bitter lodge]

But likely?

[wanton atlas]

I can't even find it 🤔

[tropic badger]

I'm from Norway. I'll jump in the car, drive over, invite them to a night on town, and tell them what I mean. 😝

[unreal quiver]

You should start questioning what you are suggesting

[sly reef]

Email? U can't find email?

[wanton atlas]

not yet 🤷

[tropic badger]

[e-mail]

[wanton atlas]

yes 😄

[tropic badger]

That's where I sent ut.

[sly reef]

What's wrong, some vikings also did that, but rating 13+ can be the main problem

[bitter lodge]

It's just not kid friendly

[amber wind]

Nothing wrong with making suggestions...

[unreal quiver]

It's some of the suggestions themselves being the problem

[wanton atlas]

1. no they didn't
2. game doesn't need the ability to do that
3. seriously. just don't

[tropic badger]

Do you seriously think this game gets anything under 13?

[unreal quiver]

They also did... Other stuff.

But if I were to mention half of them I would be banned. Doesn't mean they should add those as well.

[bitter lodge]

Smiffe what's the word on vertical ladders being added to the game?

[unreal quiver]

You were already told. Smiffe was the one who mentioned why they won't be a thing

He's pretty much the only who hangs around here apparently

[wanton atlas]

ah. good you brought them up.
basically it's a problem with them since they need to be a specific height only. and then we have to match the climbing animations etc etc

alot of work, for just the verticality

we choose before to cut that out since it saves time we can do other things with

[unreal quiver]

Btw, now that you're here. How feasible would it be to overhaul the character's model?

[wanton atlas]

big nope

[unreal quiver]

Would it destroy the character if attempting to do so?

[bitter lodge]

Understandable

[wanton atlas]

we would have to re-do every single armor piece

[unreal quiver]

Just that?

[wanton atlas]

but what for?

[unreal quiver]

The animations: vertical hitbox issue, climbing animations, etc

[rose swan]

I think the ultimate question is Smiffe- are vertical ladders that involve 90 degree climbing possible/feasible?
(Not my question by the way, just a question some others have recently had)

[wanton atlas]

everything is possible. it's just the "cost in work hours" for what gain

[karmic flax]

The question to that question is how much other stuff are you willing to give up for them to divert work to that?

[wanton atlas]

there is a reason most games avoid vertical ladders

[unreal quiver]

Hire more devs ||wheeze||

[sly reef]

Do u want smth like that #screenshots message?

[rose swan]

Not possible, devs took their millions and ran 😤 ||kidding obviously ||

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[sly reef]

Huh

[bitter lodge]

wth is that 🤣

[unreal quiver]

That's pretty blursed

[sly reef]

There are also a bit similarnes with albion online character #screenshots message

[wanton atlas]

@tropic badger I found the email.

[sly reef]

No way

[wanton atlas]

yea way

[sly reef]

What about skin color like void, i mean like dark hole?

[wanton atlas]

Void?

[sly reef]

Smth like that #screenshots message

[wanton atlas]

no

wouldn't make any kind of sence

[sly reef]

It looks good

[wanton atlas]

doesn't make any kind of sence from a player-model perspective

[bitter lodge]

Ereandel, you’re definitely full of unconventional suggestions

[sly reef]

Probably

That's hurts when my massages got deleted on my eyes

[wanton atlas]

Valheim discord is PG-13 and considered a safe-for-work level of discord server

any more of that will not be tolerated

[sly reef]

So, cutting off the mob head is included in pg-13?

[wanton atlas]

no. they poof in a cute smoke puff

[sly reef]

But if they did so, it means that the head should go with cute smoke, in that case we should cut off it before enemy die, what is even worse

[bitter lodge]

I think you should just let it go

[unreal quiver]

You're thinking of Conan exiles, in that case you could just play Conan exiles.

Why wanting to change the game to something that doesn't even remotely aims to be?

[wanton atlas]

or Kenshi

I think it was even before Conan Exiles

[sly reef]

Just instructive toughts

I mean i love this game in what case we have it now, but it was just interesting for me to see how some mechanics will works in game

[rose swan]

#suggestions message what I like about this one, is that last year I did a LEGO Viking war village build for Christmas, and because I’m a nerd I read the entire pamphlet about how the set came to be and what Inspired it. There was a whole section dedicated to Viking culture, and it actually included pottery to my surprise. All this to say, I think pottery could be neat 🙂

[unkempt raven]

Pottery would be nice, I just don't see what gameplay purpose it would serve.

[amber wind]

Variety! It would keep things interesting. 🙂

[rose swan]

You could put rupees in them and roll around and destroy them maybe?

[unkempt raven]

I'm not sure indian currency fits a viking themed game.

[rose swan]

Thought rupees were Hylian currency? Still not viking though, fair enough!

[pure patio]

...they're named for the Indian currency

[rose swan]

Maybe my joke didn’t land 😅 I was making a Legend of Zelda reference

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/link-zelda-cuckoo-illestzz-run-gif-16788331

[unreal quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/well-excuse-me-princess-well-excuuse-me-princess-well-excuuuse-me-princess-well-excuuuuse-me-princess-well-excuuuuuse-me-princess-gif-20004656

[pure patio]

I know 😉 I'm saying they're called Rupees in LoZ because of the Indian currency

[unreal quiver]

So Zelda is set in India. Got it

[sly reef]

If u talking about early access(for Kenshi from 2013 to December 6 2018, for Conan Exiles from 2017 to May 8 2018) So Conan was released before Kenshi, but first versions of Kenshi was created before Conan

[rose swan]

@unkempt raven so this is just a fun thought (like 5% suggestion, 95% just a fun idea to throw around) about pottery. A good while ago, me and another user were brainstorming some ideas about a forsaken power swapper #suggestions message #suggestion-discussion message . Perhaps some form of pottery could be an upgrade item for an altar?

[wanton atlas]

player -> teleporter -> swap boss power

[rose swan]

Most players already use a portal to return to spawn to swap powers, so an altar could serve as a quality of life change to simplify the process and cut back on portal/loading screens. This could also be a boon for players who play without portals. (Snipped from my suggestion a while back)

But yeah, it’s a small thing- nothings broken, so why fix it? 🙂 easy enough to just make a portal.

Selfishly, I love the idea of having the upgrade objects for such a station being some cozy objects to put around the base- candles, books, pots, etc 😅

[wanton atlas]

yeah. but Odin wants you to come to the starting temple for a reason 👀

[rose swan]

Oooh I see, fair enough!

[wanton edge]

Repeatedly? I definitely like the idea of coming back with your initial trophy after your victory, but after that is teleporting back to the starting stones everytime you want to go wood farming fun/important?

[brisk turtle]

Odin says yes apparently 🤔

Why does everyone have pink flowers in their name 🤔

[sly reef]

How about with altar on first day superpower will last on a half less, or be on a half affective, on the second more effective... And on day 6-7 it will work normally?

Or u need offer smtg to Odin to change superpower

But it is still better for players with no portals

[bitter lodge]

Looks pretty I suppose

[brisk turtle]

adding something like that sounds annoying to me personally 🤔

if I wanted to switch my powers rapidly I would just be out of luck

and setting up a whole new subsystem for an alternate way to switch powers that makes it so they're less effective over time is a ton of development resources for something that I imagine very few people would use

[sly reef]

I mean if dev said that u need special ritual for Odin to be in the spawn, how about adding side affects to the altar

[sly reef]

But it looks great

[brisk turtle]

I don't think they need to add extra effects to the system. There really aren't that many complicated systems in valheim. I have said this a bunch but it's pretty clear to me Valheim is like a 3D version of an old side-scrolling game. It's meant to be really simple

It's not supposed to be an MMO or a game that you play forever or anything like that. It's supposed to be a game where you roll in, face increasingly difficult challenges, and then it's over

The devs have said this many times

[sly reef]

Ok, but how about any sacrifices to change power? Like 1-5 heads?

It is less complicated, but still have side effect

[brisk turtle]

I don't think they will change the way the sacrifice + power system works. It's simple, effective, and I don't think is lacking anything

Fair to suggest ideas though! I just don't anticipate the devs being interested in changing that system at all

[sly reef]

But i think it's give more interest in changing the powers, at least for me, who still on day 296 walking around with the first one

[brisk turtle]

IDK I think the people who never change powers are a very small amount but I could be wrong!

I know I change powers frequently especially when leveling.

I use Eikthyr is for running and exploring, Elder for gathering massive amounts of wood for building or charcoal, Bonemass for killing subsequent bosses, Moder for sailing, Yagluth for other fights, and I use the queen for mining

[rose swan]

I agree, I think over complicating it would detract from the purpose. I personally like the idea of having a buildable altar with some fun objects to upgrade it with. Gives me an excuse to build a little room of worship that has an in-game function 😁

Just a fun idea to think about and throw around, nothing wild.

[silk halo]

leg day

[eternal storm]

Wouldn't it be nice if each part of armor sets (like troll or root armor) would give a 1/3 or 1/4 of the set bonuses (depending on how many pieces that set is made of)? It would allow players to get more choices in mixed armors, and wouldn't mess with people who already love the whole set.

[arctic wharf]

I noticed it hehe

[wanton atlas]

yes

[short wing]

There is no specific leg day for me, I've got to constantly train my legs a little because of a knee injury.
Same with the core for lumbago.

[karmic flax]

@pure drift you can use the world tree, sun or moon to get your bearing. All of them start in the east. And vegvisirs if you stand still will turn you towards the boss in nomap mode

[wanton atlas]

@drowsy heron Valheim isn't a representation of the "normal" world.
it's a completly diffrent dimension from the normal world that the vikings lived in.

And from a gameplay perspective. adding any normal creatures, when you can add basicly anything.. isn't that very very plain and boring?

[drowsy heron]

Fair point, still it could break a bit of boredome that creeps after 5 cycle of doing the same 1. Find materials 2. make good armor and weapons 3. stack with food 4. find and kill boss

[wanton atlas]

I mean.. you have chickens and wolfs you can pet 🤔

[drowsy heron]

and boars and lox

More animals can provide more fun in late game

[unreal quiver]

Been playing for years and I still have fun despite doing the exact same thing 🤷‍♂️

So that isn't really true

[unreal quiver]

Then think of things more unique and fictional rather than the same boring ones you see in 90% of the games out there

[short wing]

Not true for you, true for other people.

[unreal quiver]

Exactly

[rose swan]

That’s alot of bears 👀

Bearheim?

[pliant vortex]

I like the rabbit idea. An early tameable critter, easy to tame but low meat reward

Goats would be nice. Meat and milk. Hides of course

[rose swan]

I feel like the boar is already a solid early tame that fills that niche, would you agree?

So my take, regular animals are important because it gives a sort of ‘anchor’ and understanding of the world. They’re also relatable, and therefore easy to understand and get the point across. For example, the chicken is clearly a source of eggs, no one questions that. I think we have a really solid selection of real animals that add a lot to the game. With that being said, I don’t think Valheim would be better if it had more animals necessarily, especially in already existing biome. A deep north goat or goat-like creature would be neat 🙂

[wanton atlas]

there is already a sort of rabbit in the game 👀

[rose swan]

I’m really excited to meet the mistlands spoiler > ||mist hare||, I want to see what it’s all about 🙂 so close!

[unreal schooner]

#suggestions message
Don't get this suggestion. We have all three points already in nomap, except for merchants. Those you still have to stumble upon, but that's also how it initially worked.

[rose swan]

#suggestions message here’s a similar suggestion 🙂

[hoary vessel]

He didn't know about the bosses and navigation

[unreal schooner]

It's not similar at all. It says about that 'weird' map icon most new players can be confused with or even miss it. The nomap suggestion just mentions traders along with bosses which already can be located in nomap

[rose swan]

Read a little further down, he mentions that it would be a bonus for no map mode. How does one locate the merchant in no map mode? Haven’t tried the game type yet.

[unreal schooner]

Yea, he means in normal game you get those bag and shirt icons, in nomap it could be hugin who hints you a bit. But the point is i don't think we need anything to help you locate merchants. First, it is just merchants, one can see finding them as a bonus not a main goal, second, stumbling upon them is the funniest part of whole exploration experience.
So it's not the same as bosses, who can be still found with vegvisirs in nomap and are indeed the main goal of the game.

[rose swan]

#suggestions message additionally, I think it would be nice if there were alternative ways to get iron late game. ||like maybe the fortresses could have iron as loot?|| obviously Ashlands is pretty close so it’s not super useful to make suggestions regarding it, but figured it’s worth mentioning I suppose.

[wintry bobcat]

I like the fact that iron can be gotten from Mistlands

That's something fun about mistlands. It revives the needs for early game metals (bronze/copper/iron) but also gives you means of obtaining them in that biome

[unreal quiver]

I would mind the iron grind less if we get more sources of it in late game

[wintry bobcat]

I feel like the two sources in mistlands are pretty good

It's funny how many sources of iron there are in the game tho, even tho a lot of them are kinda useless

[final wraith]

You get Iron in the Mistlands and from Ooze drops etc, there are other sources than swamp running with a wish bone and doing swamp dungeons in late game.

[wintry bobcat]

Mistlands bridge structures and sword/armor remains and swamp crypts I'd say are all solid sources

Oozers, fish, surface level scrap piles, destroying doors in mountain caves, etc. are other sources but damn they're slow/unlikely to yield much

[unreal quiver]

I know, I meant even more for later stages

[final wraith]

Curious why some people dont want improvements to tamed animals?

Apart from farming meat and hides early game, they seem pretty pointless from entering the Plains onwards.

[unreal quiver]

Wolves are op as a fight companion, even at normal level, and starred wolves destroy almost everything

Lox are similar, on top of that they're better than you at sprinting.

It'd be more pointless to have wolves as a mount when you already have lox. At that point why even have lox as mounts if wolves have the same purpose? And it's implied they would be faster

[final wraith]

Are you playing a modded version of the game? normal wolves and one stars are squishey as hell.

[karmic flax]

Whats the point of an anchor? Boats freeze in place if no one is touching them