suggestion-discussion

[coral cradle]

Why do ice caves feel smaller then crypts then?

[wanton atlas]

if there where longer. they would collide with other nearby caves

(it was a bug before) 😦

[wintry bobcat]

ice caves feel bigger than crypts and burial chambers. Bit bigger than infested mines too

[jagged flame]

It's not hiring slaves to do it for you; you'd still be expected to fight alongside them! you're hiring them to help you; there's a huge difference between helping someone do something, & doing that something for them!

[next edge]

This is due to that way that dungeons are stored in the game.

[wanton atlas]

do you break all the ice-walls inside them?

[coral cradle]

Yes

[wintry bobcat]

You go back to that point a lot but still when people say to do something for you it involves just helping you with it

[coral cradle]

But sometimes I find crypts that go on and on by icecaves usually end pretty quick

[wanton atlas]

you as a player is tasked with proving your own worth to odin as a warrior. not as clan leader or squad commander

[wanton atlas]

then you need to start to hit walls 😉

[wintry bobcat]

well ice caves may not go as long but the rooms in it can be pretty big which fills out a lot of space. Also depends on the ice cave, some are massive so it's just rng

[next edge]

This.

[tawny cipher]

I see, is it not possible to send caves to a different world, kinda like minecraft with the nether biome, overworld, and End?

[wanton atlas]

no

[tawny cipher]

i see

[wet drift]

I mean, it's been around for 6000 years. I don't perceive the general tech level to be lower than that. I guess the "modern" part is actually the whitewash, but come on. Let me paint my walls with the bones of my enemies!

[wanton atlas]

our dungeons "hover" in the air about 3000 meter above ground

[coral cradle]

Even if we had people to hire they wouldn’t be very good. Especially in the mistlands where you can barely navigate the terrain.

[next edge]

Hence why sizes can cause overlaps.

[wanton atlas]

yes

[next edge]

They are not "instenced" like other games.

[tawny cipher]

I'm guessing that since the bug queens dungeon is tall rather then wide thats why it can be larger

[granite geyser]

If you want others to fight alongside you just:

1. Tame wolves and/or lox

2. Reach mistlands and craft dead raiser.

There, you're not alone anymore

[next edge]

My portal got covered up by a rock in the mistlands and I was pushed to the roof of the tower.

[unreal schooner]

Or write a suggestion and keep hoping it would be implemented one day

[next edge]

Devs said nope.

[wanton atlas]

😅

[unreal schooner]

If devs said than yes, nothing we can do

[wintry bobcat]

Yea boss queen just makes efficient use of the room by having it be one big open square. Unlike other dungeons that make pathways through and walls between which quickly eats up space and brings you to the boundary of how far you can go

[worn jetty]

Aha, used the search feature to try and find similar ideas and found none to be quite what i had in mind. Guess i used the wrong keywords 🤷‍♂️ . Also didn't check this channel first either, but reading now they are good points. I can see how some are opposed to it

[tawny cipher]

If the cave and dungeons are hovering over the world, wouldn't be more effective to put them under the world? or put the super large ones under the world and the small ones over?

[wintry bobcat]

You're all good. The server got hacked a week ago which deleted all history from all chats, so that's why nothing is showing up so you couldn't have known

I've seen the suggestion at least 4-5 times tho 😅

[wintry bobcat]

what would make it more effective?

I don't know why they're above, but I think it wouldn't be that different either way. One thing is that on rare occassion people will glitch out of a dungeon, and if it's above the world they'll fall to their death (or survive, if they have 101+ hp or a feather cape) and can go retrieve their loot. If the dungeon was under the world it would probably be impossible to retrive

[wanton atlas]

no and it doesn't solve issue 😄

[tawny cipher]

Effective probably wasn't the right choice of word, but if larger dungeons were placed under the would they could potentially be larger then the dungeons we have currently. and to prevent overlap the super large cavescould be rare and only be 2 or 3 in the entire world

[tawny cipher]

are all structures limited to the 64 x 64 chunk limit?

or whatever it was stated before

[wintry bobcat]

I think you'd need to understand coding a bit better to set yourself into the mindset of it (I certainly don't know the specifics). But there doesn't seem to be any reason why something should be able to be larger underground than above ground

[wet drift]

I think the point was utilising both

[tawny cipher]

Smiffe mentioned that the dungeons "floated" above the world at around 3000m. and someone else mentioned that there was a bug where the dungeons would collide with each other if they were too big.

[wanton atlas]

We call them Locations

[wanton atlas]

that was me both times

[tawny cipher]

perfect

i got the memory of a potato sometimes

[wintry bobcat]

I guess in that case having some under and some over could help, but it would still need a system of choosing which to be over and which to be under which might be complicated. Since if you end up with two under or two over who are close together they could end up overlapping

[wanton atlas]

all dungeons/caves are found in the dead center of a "chunk" so they won't collide if the end up to close to each other

[tawny cipher]

i see

but if the large caves where sent under the world map and only 2 or 3 of them existed, that could prevent the collition issue

[wanton atlas]

would not help

the RNG would make it possible they end up to close, and then cause problems by basicly merging with each other

[tawny cipher]

I see, I'm not sure what type of codding ya'll are using but is it possible to add parameters that tell the dungeons to spawn X amount of locations away from each other?

[wanton atlas]

it is but it would make the amount of caves even less

to the point of you running like a mad person trying to find "that one cave"

[tawny cipher]

true kinda like the trader or hildir

[wanton atlas]

pretty much yes

there are 100's of swamp crypts in the game

yet people can't find them

imagine if there was 100

or 50

[tawny cipher]

but if they're large enough that could make finding one worth it

[wanton atlas]

and making the world 10x size wouldn't help either 😄

[wanton atlas]

nope

because RNG would make it probably not worth it

[unreal schooner]

There are caves in the game?

[tawny cipher]

yes

does the RNG generate all the dungeons?

[tawny cipher]

does the RNG start having problems generating super large structures?

[wintry bobcat]

I have a feeling we'll see a good deal more lighting in Ashlands (and probs deep north too). I def wanna see more of it, not sure how suited it is to early game tho

[sterile frost]

Northern lights?

[wintry bobcat]

Lightning 😔

[sterile frost]

Ah I need some sleep 😴

Would be nice to see nothern lights tho

[wintry bobcat]

I like the splitting of block but dunno about toughness. Feels wrong to be incentivized to take damage. Especially when facing enemies that can one or two shot you

[rugged lynx]

Lightning arrows, or the ability to do more lightning damage definitely needs to be looked at, imo.

[wintry bobcat]

ye. I think ashlands is gonna be pretty elementally focused, prob including lightning

Especially now that Magic is on the playing field after Mistlands. Magic leads to all the elemental stuff

I hope ashlands has a good amount of ranged mobs. Mistlands I miss getting shot at

[wanton atlas]

Depends on how you look at it.

Anything larger than 64x64x64 will be a problem

For random spawns.

[wanton atlas]

@rugged lynx the player are a avreage warrior in valheim to prove themselves.
Why would a norse god lend his weapon to someone unworthy?

[brisk turtle]

What if I look at it in a tree? Or with a bee?

[wanton atlas]

how you mean?

[brisk turtle]

Lol sorry, it's a dumb joke based on an american childrens book called "green eggs and ham"

https://i.imgur.com/HtMmzHI.png sample page

[wanton atlas]

<- not american

so those children jokes just pass over my head 😅

[brisk turtle]

it's ok, I don't know about all of your cool kids books

[unkempt jackal]

Is it possible for Haldor to smuggle guns from Earth? Imagine he sells submachine guns and ammo for lots of gold. He'll instantly become my favourite merchant!

[granite geyser]

I'm sure Haldor is neither a time traveler nor originally from earth

[wanton atlas]

valheim will not be palworld

just gonna say that right now 😄

[sterile frost]

yet

[near citrus]

but the generation parameters can be adjusted so that they do not give rise to bugs even if it is expensive. and it can be made that only certain dungeons exist from x point from the center of the map, eliminating the previous ones for larger ones with more rooms. and/or different rooms, this would make people want to explore the map more.

[wanton atlas]

everything can be adjusted.
but.

1. stop asking. it won't happen
2. the more "locks" we put on things. the less RNG will work

[brisk turtle]

But what if I want to give a job to a neck? 🤔

[short wing]

Mod it.

[brisk turtle]

Artists' concept of my Business Neck idea https://i.imgur.com/HqJfoiX.png

I refuse to believe that someone has suggested this same idea before

[unkempt jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-gun-lots-of-guns-keanu-reeves-gif-17571663

I just want more things from 7d2d in Valheim: bikes, flying machines, and guns, lots of guns!

[brisk turtle]

What's 7d2d?

oh 7 days to die, sure

does that game have lizards with neck ties?

[unkempt jackal]

I'm not sure but it has businessman zombies with ties

[brisk turtle]

hmm well it'd be cooler if they were lizards

[violet osprey]

I’m sorry but what does ♻️ mean in suggestions??

[tough reef]

it has been already suggested

[violet osprey]

Oh okay ty

[tough reef]

About the needle arrow recipe, it could also be ancient bark too. I just love farming wood and arrows dont feel like arrows if they dont have it.

[karmic flax]

dont forget to read pins

[eternal storm]

The rational for that skill is to award taking the most risky tactic in the game (all-out attacks with a two-handed weapon) and, above all, allowing a very viking way of fighting, the berserkr. Honestly I was a little disappointed when I realized you can't be a berserkr in Valheim because lack of options to fight without armor and without defending yourself.

[rose swan]

I’d really like to see some sort of berserker mead that gives a damage boost at the cost of a defense debuff. I think that would be neat. And of course, it would have a 10 minutes commitment as per usual with the meads.

#suggestions message I think mining with monsters already comes with disadvantages. Since you’re not mining, you’re not getting your mining skill up, which can hinder you. Also, I think it’s an interesting exploit that velvet players like to take advantage of, and that’s a good thing imo 🙂

[karmic flax]

risk/reward too

[violet osprey]

Sorry and ok

[tough reef]

yeah its not bad in itself, its just that i really love training skills (especially farming related) but then using a lox to bring down forests makes increasing wood cutting skill feel kinda pointless?

Like its not that i want to take away farming with monsters but to instead make farming with super high skill and gear feel more rewarding

[karmic flax]

dead raiser is super good lol

you just need to combine it with the other staves

if you run 3 eitr food you can summon 2 skeletons and give yourself and them a shield within seconds

@olive yacht

[rugged lynx]

This is why I said perhaps themed on it. I never said we'd just be given Odin's own spear. We'd have to craft it, just like any other magic weapon available.

[rose swan]

Gotcha, yeah I can see where you’re coming from. Perhaps if a higher woodcutting skill allowed you to collect more fine wood from more trees and more seeds, and if a high mining skill meant a chance to find rubies or possibly other rarities, I think that would be interesting.

[tough reef]

yeah thats more what i had in mind

[rose swan]

Of course, that’s pretty complex. Just spitballing ideas 🙂

[short wing]

@olive yacht I frequently have 2 skeletons running around and if I wait a bit I can have 3, couple that with the staff of protection and you have some good meatshields.
They will get attacked first if they are the closest to the enemies.

[rose swan]

Oooh what about higher woodcutting/mining meant a weight reduction on respective items? 👀 would that be going too far? Lol

[wanton atlas]

the programming behind this would just make a super-OP weapon 😄

[olive yacht]

I still dont think so.

[olive yacht]

With 3 eitr food I won't get enough health to spawn multiple. with 2 eitr food and one I won't get enough eitr.

[short wing]

How high is your blood magic because it makes a decent difference in skeleton power and staff of protection shield.
It also lowers the eitr and blood cost.

[tough reef]

although if increasing mining would make the ore deposits give more stuff then you would want to increase the skill first on something else before ever mining anything useful.

[olive yacht]

And it takes so much time to spawn them. The dead raiser is horrible in plains and mistlands imo.

[rugged lynx]

I doubt it. You could easily it balance it by giving a delay between when it hits an enemy and when it returns to you. You don't have to have it machine gun out of your hands smh

[olive yacht]

Yeah ofc blood magic level helps but it takes really much time to level it.

[karmic flax]

sure you will, it takes a percentage of current HP

or max

iirc

either way i do this no problem with 3 eitr food

yeah its 40% of current hp

[short wing]

Not all that more time then other skills every hit a skeleton makes gives exp and every shield you have that breaks raises it as well.
So have 3 skeletons with you that back and plink things and it is fairly quick, you can even afk farm it at a greydwarf spawner or the like.

[olive yacht]

Let me make a scene. I see many seekers and now im gonna summon the skeletts. I need to go around and around to summon them without letting the seekers to kill me. Finally I escaped and summoned a** one single skelett**. Now i'm gonna summon another one but now the first one died to the seekers. Its just an infinite loop.

[karmic flax]

then kill the seeker with one of your other staves, however i constantly refresh my skeletons during downtime so this is not a problem

[short wing]

Now lets take that same scene but you noticed them before they noticed you.
You take a couple of steps back, summon your skeletons, throw on the protection shield on them and yourself.
Now you aggro the seekers and watch the magic happen.

If you happen upon mobs and they get the drop on you then the dead raiser isn't really the tool to use, go for the staff of embers then.

The dead raiser is good if you get to set the battlefield, either by jumping on rocks / trees so you are above the mobs and can prepare your skeletons, summon all three up there with you, throw on the shield and push the skeletons down.

[karmic flax]

yeah, different weapons for different situations

[olive yacht]

I know almost perfectly how to use the dead raiser, but its still bad. I've always ran to terrain where mobs cant hit me, but it takes so much time to summon them that its way easier and faster to kill them by yourself. Its almost impossible to spot the seekers before they noticed me because its so misty in the mistlands.

And fuling villages are really easy to spot. So i summon my max skeletts and throw the shield. But the village just absolutely destroys the skeletts.

[short wing]

Let's agree to disagree. I love the dead raiser and I see it more as a defense mechanism than dps, I use it more to stall the mobs and make it so that I don't have to move as much, which means I can do more dps with my staff of embers than if I didn't have the skeletons with me, any dmg they do is just bonus.
Certainly saved my life a couple of times in infested mines.

[livid crystal]

3rd level of the dead raiser should have 20% chance of spawning the rancid remains

[karmic flax]

yeah the dead raiser is used to tank damage for me while i throw fireballs or ice at them

[livid crystal]

i dont use magic at all bc i play with my friends and i just defend the mage so idk how it is

[olive yacht]

what?

[livid crystal]

when you upgrade dead raiser to lvl 3 it would have 20% chance to spawn that green skeleton

[rose swan]

Rancid remains is a special poisonous skeleton

[olive yacht]

but anyways, i have to say that the dead raiser is super cool.

[granite geyser]

Aren't those skeletons on par with fighting seekers? Summoning multiple per level would be broken

[olive yacht]

of course i know that

[livid crystal]

i dont think so, even if thats only 20% chance

[short wing]

You can cheese a bit and turn friendly fire on, destroy the none rancid ones and resummon till you have three rancids.
I think, haven't tried it.

[olive yacht]

Okay let's just end this "fight" because we will just go back and forth. Dead raiser is super cool but I still think that the raiser is bad.

I will now try to use the raiser way more and I will come back someday to say what i think of it.

[brisk hollow]

Dead raiser is only bad if you aren't portalling where you want to go, using the butcher knife to harvest skelets until you get the three you want, and then ensuring that they remain bubbled. They do insane damage if you can micro them into the forms you want for the content you intend on doing.

I find Dead Raiser to be the best tame for crypts, caves, mines, etc. If you have the patience for it...

It also expands your eitr damage types from Blunt+Fire/Frost to include Slash and Pierce from the Skelebros.

@median fossil I recommend looking for solutions to fall damage in the content ahead of you.

[median fossil]

Yeah I've bumped into some, let's say, spoilers, mentioning the cape or something. So far I'm in the mountains and there's not much to counter that yet. The fall damage isn't too much of an actual problem to me, but it just feels weird to keep taking damage for jumping alone. Unless it's a super flat surface, chances are damage will be taken. It shouldn't be like this. Even running & jumping around the forest is apparently risky lol.

[pure patio]

Yeah, I have always thought that our fall damage distance should (slightly) scale with our jumping skill. It is kinda silly that there's a point at which we can jump high enough to hurt ourselves on flat ground.

@open dagger There's a method to the crop madness... you can't use a scythe with real carrots, turnips or onions, you need to pull them out of the ground. Barley and flax grow above ground, though.

[wintry bobcat]

Honestly I think dead raiser will go hard in ashlands. Seems like better terrain for them and with okay ||blood magic skill || they should hit pretty hard especially if you have 3 of them (haven't played late game since hildrs, but I'm excited to try lvl 3 dead raiser). Basically another players worth of damage at high level

[open dagger]

i know but not everything has to be realistic right?

[wintry bobcat]

Throwing ||fireballs || at a field of corn and having it harvest instead of incinerate is a bit surreal for sure 🤭

[open dagger]

could bake the barley into bread at an instant lol

[pure patio]

I dunno. I personally like it, I like the variety in how even sometimes similar tasks are accomplished. I might accede that player damage shouldn't hurt those crops, only enemy damage, but that's about all I could see as beneficial.

I like how the Mistlands crops are basically invulnerable, and I'd bet it's because of Gjall 😉

[wintry bobcat]

oh didn't know that. They just can't be damaged?

[pure patio]

Not that I have experienced. I think you can punch them, but that might be it. I'd have to test more to be sure.

[pure patio]

@tranquil jay it would be cool if we could build a nest with flax or barley or something and chickens would preferentially lay in an empty nest if they could access it. Maybe not allow nests to be constructed too close to one another like they do with the work station upgrade radiuses and such so we can't just make a factory farm.

[wintry bobcat]

@spiral fog There's intentionally gaps in weapon progression through biomes so you can't just stick to one weapon through the whole game and to balance things I believe

[rose swan]

Oooh I really like this idea

[sly reef]

#suggestions message i think only mosquito would be too easy, cuz of root armor, it would be like more farming then defending your base

[open dagger]

hmm right they should add deathsquito to the seeker and gjall raids that would be better

[unreal schooner]

How about deathsquito brutes?

[pure patio]

I mean... gjall already spawn ticks, which are basically walking skeeters that do more damage

[rose swan]

#suggestions message I think it would be really neat if we could make some sort variant of stone/brick out of stones combined with bones fragments. If I’m not mistaken, I believe there are example in history where bones dust was used in construction.

Maybe some sort of fine stone bricks, with less of an edge than the current stone structures.

[pure patio]

Bone tower shields hang nicely on the walls...

[sterile frost]

I use them to decorate my walls

[unreal sandal]

didnt vikings used to have shields on their boats?

what if we can add shields to our boat to make it more tanky?

[karmic flax]

@sterile frost the list is actually alphabetical, according to their ID

So chest and leg pieces are near the top, while headpieces are further down, because like bronze for example:

ArmorBronzeChest
ArmorBronzeLegs
HelmetBronze

[wintry bobcat]

Think I've seen that suggestion 20-25 times

[unreal sandal]

yea i just checked xD

[karmic flax]

Only that few?

[unreal sandal]

atleast my beam suggestions is holding up pretty well

[karmic flax]

It builds support i guess

[unreal sandal]

lmao nice one

[rose swan]

#suggestions message must have missed that one, thanks for pointing it out! Gave my ‘support’ 😁

[sterile frost]

I meant to sort by actual names alphabetically, not by their IDs. This means the sorting will look different in different languages but that's okay. I just want to find things faster without having to guess what their ID alphabetically starts with

[shell tartan]

Makes sense that they're listed by their IDs internally, but player side, don't feel too good.

[rose swan]

Maybe I’m in the minority here, but I actually like that turnips are inedible. I feel like it kinda makes carrots still viable and unique in that they are crops that can be eaten, so it still feels worth it to me to farm carrots even after I have access to turnips.

[karmic flax]

onions can be eaten too though

[rose swan]

Ahh I did not realize that! Yeah, it would be absurd to request that onions should become inedible haha but I could never imagine eating a raw onion 😅

[shell tartan]

Why not? It's crunchy and spicy

[sterile frost]

Plus it keeps people at a distance

[silent echo]

Cobblebone... in seriousness, I have also been longing for some way to put bone fragments to use. Skeletons are so plentiful, having so many fragments and nothing at all to do with them just makes me a bit mournful. I think pre-server-nuking there were some suggestions for vanity armor pieces or more extensive decor using bones. I'd be happy for anything, tbh, but decor or combining bone usage with the idea of a different style of building piece like the wattle and daub thing would be great.

Also, I've heard of people crunching raw onion, but it always seems to be one of those disconnected things where there isn't a shared culture or trait that I can pinpoint, it's just random people who think it's completely normal surrounded by other people who are horrified by the very thought. Very odd phenomenon

[desert otter]

I think they should rename Very Hard to Try Not to Die difficulty. It's simply ridiculous #suggestions message

This mode is perfect for people who enjoy fighting from a distance

or exploiting the dodge rolling mechanic

[silent echo]

It would be interesting if they scaled parrying up and only parrying for that difficulty. Then using shields would be high risk/high reward and be a rewarding skill-based tool. But I think in server v1.0 it was indicated that stuff like tweaking difficulties is at the very bottom of the priority list as long as they're still developing biomes.

[desert otter]

I think they completely overlooked this, they never really tried playing through on very hard mode themselves, they just casually doubled the damage

It's very unbalanced

For now I'll stick to playing on hard difficulty, it's still manageable. I don't want to rely solely on dodge rolls or worse, tower shield

[silent echo]

Yeah, it was a strict numeric difficulty jump, so they didn't have to put substantial devtime into it. It's been available as an option long enough that the parry and block issues have been observed and discussed more than once by players. Balancing it fully doesn't seem a high priority, probably because they would have to balance every new biome going forward as well. It's just easier for them to wait until main content is done and then do it all at once, if they decide to.

[rose swan]

100%, I think cobblestone or something similar would be a good start, just because you naturally come across hundreds of bones in a regular playthrough. With that being said, I wouldn’t be opposed to some other options people have suggested; fertilizer, broth, clothing/armor, pottery, there’s plenty of options. Maybe even offer bones at some sort of altar in your own home for some sort of buff. The list goes on for sure. I’m optimistic we’ll see more uses for bones in the future, and I’m sure Irongate will deliver something solid.

[silent echo]

They've done a good job reincorporating things like metals into later recipes, so I have high hopes as well... same for troll leather. New recipes using those would also provide reason to tromp around in the Black Forest during late-game.

[desert otter]

Oh so this parrying issue has been raised multiple times in the past and they ignored it? that's very lazy development in my opinion. I mean I understand they have a small team but they could have at least assigned one person to focus on balancing instead of everyone just adding new stuff and neglecting balancing

[wintry bobcat]

exploiting dodge rolling?

You mean just timing you dodge rolls well or something else?

[silent echo]

It's been discussed and most definitely taken note of, but game development takes time and the game is not yet complete. Having priorities isn't lazy, it's just a matter of workflow... it's not like combat balance can be severed from the rest of the game and portioned out for a random team member to do. Particularly when the entire team is needed for the new content, lmao.

You polish after a carving is done, or you will just create more work for yourself after you make the next cut.

[rose swan]

Respectfully, I’d rather the game be fleshed out in its entirety before getting into the depth of a specific game mode that is a self-imposed challenge. I’d say it’s unbalanced for a reason, yeah? Like sure, some tweaking could be done, but the whole point of the harder difficulty is for some added challenge. Not trying to be rude, just trying to give some perspective.

[desert otter]

I mean exactly that. The mechanic is ridiculously OP. As someone who plays Dark Souls like games I find the timing in this game ridiculously easy... I could do it blindfolded lol

[desert otter]

To me balancing should be top priority but I respect your opinion

[brisk turtle]

The game options sliders are not intended to be supported as a core part of gameplay, they are more like tweaks you can play with if you want to try something different.

It's not a bad idea to look into "very hard mode" more in depth, but it's something that I don't expect them to do maybe ever, or at least not before 1.0.

Fun suggestion though!

[silent echo]

Yeah, this exactly. The focus on core gameplay over optional challenges and settings affects more of the playerbase, and thus makes sense to me. I do understand complaints about strict numeric difficulty curves (it's something I find annoying in a lot of games that have it), but I also get why the devs are less interested in fiddling with that at this point.

[wintry bobcat]

hmm I'd say it takes a fair bit of skill and should be rewarded. You still gotta stamina manage and you don't get big powerful damage windows with rolling as you do with parrying, and one failed roll could easily mean death on very hard

And parries don't seem to require any better timing than rolls to me

[brisk turtle]

I think maybe some folks assume the world options are like standard difficulty sliders, where even the high difficulty modes are intended core versions of the game, but Valheim just has the one core mode, and the world options are very basic tweaks that are afforded to players more for flexibility because they're easy to implement, vs. core components of the intended gameplay

[silent echo]

Yeah. It's a context really only afforded by having some awareness of the devs' intentions and the development history of the game. It's understandable that players without that context would be frustrated.

[desert otter]

Yeah but my main point was that parrying is useless because it's not balanced for the difficulty level. You have to either fight from a distance, use tower shields, or rely on rolling. So there's no point in making buckler or round shields

[wintry bobcat]

I do still find the bucklers and round shields pretty useful (playing very hard permadeath rn) but I agree blocking could use a little boost. Maybe giving +30% block power as part of the difficulty. It's totally manageable if you grind up block skill but who wants to do that.

Still currently it works fine for me for regular and 1 star enemies, just can't do it on 2 star enemies or practically any brutes (troll, golem, etc.) of my current biome. Also this is all with maxing out the shields

Also aren't tower shields gonna be way worse at blocking than other shields are at parrying??? The success of your block/parry will depend on how much stagger is taken which depends on health and damage (which depends on block armor). A towershield generally has less block armor than another shield does on a successful parry

[brisk turtle]

That's only if you're using the "not part of core gameplay" high difficulty mode, right? Just making sure we're on the same page

[silent echo]

It's such a shame that old discussions on the topic were lost when the server was hacked. I recall seeing at least a couple very in-depth discussions between players about thr current difficulty modes and how to navigate them to maximize fun and challenge.

[desert otter]

I've already pointed out having level 100 block skills doesn't matter. I have tested it against trolls, elites, fulings, wolves. Maxed out set and 100 skill

[brisk turtle]

I think frustrations like these often come more from expectations than anything the devs are doing or not doing 🙂

[brisk turtle]

But this is in the context of the "very hard mode" which to my knowledge isn't intended as a core gameplay mode?

[wintry bobcat]

Just because it isn't core gameplay doesn't mean it can't get a bit balance. Just important that we don't implement anything to balance very hard that will affect balance of other modes. So any change imo should for sure be very hard specific. Like again, adding a +30% block power for very hard mode

[desert otter]

Did any devs mention difficulty level not being part of core gameplay in the past? That's ridiculous

[silent echo]

Yes, that is functionally what I said. Lacking context (and thus having misaligned expectations) leads to frustrations for players. I was just agreeing with you, Arnþór, not blaming the devs.

[desert otter]

I think you mean it's not part of top priorities

[brisk turtle]

Let me see what I can find to verify for you, but the "world modifiers" are, as far as I know, not intended to be core gameplay modes, outside of their default settings

[silent echo]

It's mostly semantics. When it's been discussed in the past, the expressed sentiment from dev team members was basically that the default difficulty and settings was considered the highest priority to complete, and particularly adding new content over performing QoL adjustments. QoL adjustments would get their own spotlight right before v1.0, to keep the team from having to retread territory as they add new things.

[brisk turtle]

I don't think it's "ridiculous" but I can understand why you might be more familiar with games that have all difficulty modes fully supported

[wintry bobcat]

I believe the settings themselves say it but devs mentioned it too leading up to hildrs that Normal is really the intended valheim experience. They've been pretty open about loving to give players options with other settings, but we shouldn't expect Very hard, no map, 0.5 resources, 3x resources, teleporting metals, etc. etc. to be fully balanced or make sense with the rest of the game as it is not what the game was built around

[silent echo]

While the difficulty slider is acknowledged as part of the base game, it isn't the same as the primary experience, which they want to polish first.

[desert otter]

If that's true it's disappointing. My friends and I for example always pick the highest level difficulty available, in any game. But when it's unbalanced it really sucks

[silent echo]

Unfortunately, not every game can suit every player. I do understand the disappointment, even if I also understand the devs' chosen priorities. They do have limited funds, time, and passion.

[wintry bobcat]

I got really discouraged from Very Hard when I started it, mainly because of difficulty parrying. I've since been playing some really tryhard Hard mode tho which felt pretty balanced, and then went back to Very Hard and I'm loving very hard now. Just a bit better block would be nice

[silent echo]

It may serve you to peruse mods for more detailed difficulty options. The mod community for Valheim is very passionate and robust, despite lacking official support at this time.

[brisk turtle]

Again, though, not to say your suggestion is bad or anything! Just forwarding info from previous dev feedback on other suggestions

[desert otter]

no worries, I get everyone's perspectives. If the devs are not interested in balancing right now, fine, tho i loathe it. I just had to bring it up cause I really can't stand battling from a distance or constantly rolling, or relying on the tower shield

[rose swan]

I’m sure being a Dark Souls player, being rewarded for a successful parry is nice. I can understand the frustration where parrying is not a matter of risk/reward, but is essentially not an option. I don’t have personal experience with higher difficulties in Valheim, but I hope someday those game modes are touched on for the players like yourself who enjoy that extra challenge.

[brisk turtle]

it will be interesting to see what direction things go in after full release! I'm sure they will want to move on to other things, but I'm sure they won't abandon valheim entirely, at least not right away

[wanton edge]

I would say, its not that devs aren't interested in balancing - they do care about the intended gameplay being balanced. Its just the world modifiers are "extras" and not the intended way to play valheim. Think of them as "if you want to screw around with parameters go ahead, but we make no guarantees about how fun it will be", not a difficulty setting as you might be used to seeing in other games

however I do wish at some point they look at fine tuning some of the modifiers, as I think they do add a lot to the game

[brisk turtle]

Yep I think we're all on the same page

[fleet lintel]

Kind of an interesting problem in that people want to be able to utilize a skill based tool, parrying, to make the game easier on a difficulty setting which intended to be more difficult.

Which on the surface is fine. There are plenty of ways to maintain a variable of player skill while still making a game more difficult.

But principally the only way to get 100 in a skill in valheim is practically never die. And if you have 100 block, and presumably aren’t dying much, is the game appreciably difficult for you? More ways to utilize skill to not die when you’re already not dying seems little counterintuitive.

At a certain limit it seems hard to make a game like valheim more difficult, which to me translates directly into “more difficult to not die” without just removing tools from the toolbox entirely.

They can’t buff parrying in very difficult too much before it’s starts to encroach on the difficulty of just hard. Or do they also need to buff parrying in hard but not as much? Could go down into a bit of a difficult balancing rabbit hole.

I’d also venture to say that in a survival game combat difficulty is more of a mechanic to drive the need for crafting progression of gear, tools, and food. It certainly has a central role in the game but it isn’t what I personally think of as the focus of the game. So while there is certainly room to make any aspect of a game, combat or otherwise more engaging and rewarding, I wonder how much focus it would require to balance the harder difficulty settings in a satisfying and consistent way.

[ruby girder]

#suggestions message
@rose swan
honestly I was gonna suggest an apple tree for ashlands or something lmao I haven't seen exactly how ashlands looks but something like "fire apple" tree or something sounded nice

[granite geyser]

@lusty hatch characters from other worlds being used is a decision, it will not be changed

[lusty hatch]

That's for the devs to decide.. thank you.

[ruby girder]

honestly I agree with that mostly, but I think a simple solution satisfy both sides would be just show the number of worlds a character has been to in the player list to the admins of server
That'll allow admins of such server to kick/ban such players without forcing any kinda functionality
The same could be expanded for modded clients

just an idea

[granite geyser]

I know, that's why I said it, it was them who decided it

[granite geyser]

I'm assuming that as a way to have an idea on the skills.

Gear is much more important than skills and is the main concern about these "issues"

[wanton atlas]

Hi. Developer here.
We aren't going to lock out characters from joining servers.
And we cannot prevent users with mods to join a server either. (because it's a loosing battle right from the start since modders are 10000's of people versus 14 developers) we can never ever win such a battle.

The game was made with the intention to play with your friends and family

[near citrus]

creation of suggestion for the ocean:
Note that snake meat allows you to make a very good food recipe with ingredients from the first biome. This is because the exit to the ocean can occur from the first day of play.
In that sense, I understand that if at some point dungeons existed in the ocean (different dungeons) they could be of different levels:
1- for example a whirlpool (chunk) you go by boat and find it (press e to enter)
2- mini islands where a Dungeon is located, you can enter using the crypt keys. (different with enemies whose level is from the second or third biome and 4 and 5) I mean that they have damage similar to those of those biomes.
3- ghost ship (only 1 on the map) powerful enemies at the same level as the Ashlands enemies. (with an internal chunk that is the interior of the ship)
The player will explore the ocean and will be able to enter the dungeons that he has found as he progresses in the game. located in different spaces on the map.

[desert otter]

You're way off base here The main issue is that parrying becomes useless on "Very Hard" difficulty, not that it makes the game easier. I'll point out again the level of block skill doesn't make much difference, I have done tests with different maxed out sets and maxed out skill. Ranged weapons and the dodge roll mechanic are what make the game easier

[unkempt raven]

I expect difficulty levels will be looked at properly when the game is nearing completion. I think it makes a lot more sense to do that as one of the last things of the development process rather than as early as now with lots of stuff left to add to the game.

[desert otter]

I get it...given the small team and all. But I'll say finding a balance between adding new content and improving existing mechanics would be appreciated by us players who actually dive into the game

[unkempt raven]

The only relevant thing to consider for allocating dev time during development is "what is the most sensible way of allocating dev time to end up with the best result when we release the game?"
We're not playing a released game that gets extra stuff, we're playing an unfinished game while it is being developed.

[fleet lintel]

Yeah, I get it, you can’t parry on very hard. The lack of the ability to parry certainly makes the game more difficult, and is a direct consequence of the damage multiplier. Which is the primary variable they use to make the game more difficult. But being able to party successfully without a doubt makes combat more manageable and therefore easier.

I may not be directly addressing your concerns, so much as musing about the complications of trying to make parrying viable on “very hard”

[granite geyser]

Harder difficulties provide different experiences.

If parrying/blocking stops being an option, then fight differently. What would be the point of playing in a different mode if you could still spam parry enemies and kill them easily? The entire point of the slider would be irrelevant if the exact same strategies you could use before were still valid

[short wing]

Kill it with fire will be viable for most of the content we have now.

[desert otter]

I want to be able to parry, even if it means sacrificing more than half of my hp, I really want to parry. Otherwise what's the point of having a round or buckler shield? Also if I were to bring up this view of yours in any other major game that balancing difficulty should be the last consideration and only adding new content should be focused on, they'd deem it nonsensical. But then again let's not compare Valheim to other major games given that those games typically have large teams.
That's all from me, and thanks for the discussion. I truly appreciate everyone's input.

[unkempt raven]

I'd have the same view on any major game that was still unreleased and under development. 🤷‍♂️

[rose swan]

Haha that would be neat! I thought finding apple seeds would be interesting in the Ashlands as well. Fire apples, I didn’t think about that. A spicy apple pie 🤌

[ruby girder]

Definitely could be nice, maybe an eitr food due to the "magical" nature

[visual goblet]

@lusty hatch You suggestions make total sense and are very needed, it would be great for us, players.
It’s such a shame that the devs response is “game meant for friends” aka laziness/lack of knowledge. It’s hard to code such features, although they are in mods for years now.

[sterile frost]

isn't this game publicly released ?

[unkempt raven]

It's in early access.

That's not the same as being released as a finished game, but as a specifically not yet finished game that is still being developed.

[visual goblet]

Without ServerCharacters and AntiCheat, this game would have an even smaller playerbase. I know a lot of people, myself included, that refuses to play without them. My friends no longer play this game, and according to IG, it’s meant to be played with friends, shame.
But we are lucky enough for multiplayer not being splitscreen. That is a certified sure way to stop cheating!

[sterile frost]

ah

[granite geyser]

They don't want it, they won't implement it. Accept it and move on.

And thinking that the game would have a smaller player base without those mods is just not true at all. Didn't the game get millions of players in the first weeks? I'm pretty sure those mods didn't exist at the time. And not everyone plays with mods.

Please stop confusing personal opinions with facts

[short wing]

It is a single player game that can be played with friends it isn't meant to be played with friends.

[visual goblet]

Devs "Not wanting" is a valid argument for fans only, not for players. Those features existing would improve the experience of playing this game, that's a fact. Nothing more to say really.

[granite geyser]

So players and fans are not the same thing? That implies players play the game but actively hate it. That doesn't make sense.

If you play the game, you like it, making you a fan of the game/company, I don't understand the difference there.

Either way, the players are responsible for the people they bring to their games, not anyone else's. They shouldn't take that as their responsibility when it isn't. If you don't want griefers, don't play with strangers. Simple

[wanton atlas]

🤔

the same old debate I see

[visual goblet]

A difference between a fan and a player is that the fan is more worried about defending the devs decisions than to actually think about those decisions

[wanton atlas]

1. modders can go around any kind of "server protection" in mear seconds.
2. trusting someone is the best safety.
3. if we added server-character-locking. There would be equal number or higher number of players asking the the oposite..

just to name a few things

[visual goblet]

so, power to the cheater, not power to the server admin? Makes sense.

[wanton atlas]

and server-sided characters have the other problem "if the host leaves. then what"
all those hours, your character you worked so long on. is now gone.
you can't help a friend in need with a boss, a self-made quest or anything

[wanton atlas]

the forced password is there for a reason

if you choose to give your password away. that's on you

[visual goblet]

Brilliant idea I came up in seconds: A server character can be played offline in your world anytime.

[wanton atlas]

how do the game know which is which?

why shouldn't a player be allowed to visit other worlds?

[visual goblet]

You are telling me the game doesn't know if its a local game or server?

[wanton atlas]

"no sorry friend. I can't visit your server and help you since my character is locked"

[wanton atlas]

it does not

a world is a world

seems you don't like flexibility

since I can take a world I play by myself.
upload it to a hosting site.
have friends play with me on it.

or the oposite.
a group of friends stop playing.
so you download the world from the hosting site and continue to play on it by yourself.

[granite geyser]

Wouldn't the gaming community be a place worth living in if people accepted that the people that make games just want to make the game they want and, most importantly, the players are not above them just bc they bought the game. Accept it and move on, your solution is to use mods, and if you use them, why keep complaining about it? You already solved your problem

[visual goblet]

So a optional configuration was suggested and refused but I'm the one that doesn't like flexibility? I'm literally suggesting more flexibility.

Your scenario makes no sense "no sorry friend. I can't visit your server and help you since my character is locked". What? The server owner would obviously be the one that controls if the characters on their server need to be unique or not. If they ask for help, they wouldn't have that feature on.

[wanton atlas]

now that is asking alot

like a way to "lock characters to a server" while also being able to let them be free to visit other worlds
by some kind of switch?

a players character is a file stored on your harddrive or steam cloud service

a "server locked character" is stored only on a dedicated servers harddrive

so being able to use a setting or a switch somehow, to allow for block or allow certain character files to transfered, sometimes. on or off?

[eternal wyvern]

What about a way to see if a character has entered other worlds? This way an owner can prevent them from playing if they want.

[wanton atlas]

that's like a big task for any programmer than it would benefit almost no one

[visual goblet]

Yo Smiffe, I really think you should give ServerCharacters 2 minutes of your time, you would be amazed by what it does based on your questions 🤣

[wanton atlas]

there is a way already. but not for the server owner no

but remember.
mods can do anything depending on what the programmer wants it to do

if you want a mod to delete world-history. someone can do that

if you want a mod that specificly goes around a server-sided mod. you can do that

[eternal wyvern]

I think it would be helpful for the owner. This way, they can see it and communicate to their friends to just remain in the server. Also, accidental or trivial visits to another world would not automatically prevent them from playing the server.

[wanton atlas]

well

trust your friends

if the game was made from the ground up as a co-op game or multiplayer game.
there might been some scary nGuard or something to prevent cheating tools to run

but I think like 99% of our players actually like to be able to run mods without cracking stuff or having to do some wierd woodoo on there computers

[visual goblet]

Trickery...

[visual goblet]

Now you trying to set in fear, arguing that anti cheat would make it so then mods need cracks and "weird woodoo".. Damn. Waste of time.

[wanton atlas]

google nGuard and controversy :/

[eternal wyvern]

That's fair haha. I was just offering another way it could be implemented without impeding on people's ability to visit any world, to give the power in the hand of the owner. All in all, it's not something I believe the game needs.

[wanton atlas]

helldrivers 2 use it and alot of people don't like it at all

[wanton atlas]

ytou can just edit the player-file to remove the traces of being on another world 😅

[karmic flax]

yeah, i dont think adding custom content into the basic game is a good idea, definitely not from a popularity contest

[granite geyser]

@near quartz the 10th world is Valheim.

[near quartz]

@granite geyser i understand that. '''The 10th Realm – Realm of Secrets:
Throughout Valheim, '''

but thats just ideas within more to the actual realms themselves, allowing players to explore the different realms with new quests and or motive to the realms

[granite geyser]

You're picturing the "10th world" as if it was another world, but it isn't. The 10th world is Valheim itself

[near quartz]

but thats exactly why i said throughout valheim.

[brisk hollow]

reading comprehension doesn't exist anymore. spell it out explicitly like a lawyer or get downvoted.

[granite geyser]

"Unveil hidden portals to the enigmatic 10th realm"

So basically, throughout valheim you encounter runes that will let you discover hidden portals that lead to... Valheim again, which is the fictional 10th world as stated in the game's lore.

Unless there are two 10th worlds in the same universe, which surprisingly sounds even weirder

[rose swan]

Are you suggesting more worlds that would be new maps basically? Or essentially something like mega dungeons?

[near quartz]

well i was basically speaking from a 3rd person, because if there is more than 1 realm, who knows if im from realm of humans and or realm of elves. im just giving a 3rd person aspect talking about valheim the 10 realm

new realms to alternate worlds, but these worlds are hidden within runestones, or hidden by a portal in secret areas across valheim. for example, only way to open a poral to the city of aesir aka the golden city, is by sacraficing gold, rubys, etc to open that certain portal and being able to actually adventure outside of the 10th realm

not as just a new biome, but a whole new world in general, not as big, but big enough to get the idea across/

[granite geyser]

You're very extremely overestimating the capabilities of both the dev team and the game itself...

Also, the realm of the aesir is literally the end goal, finishing the task the character was given is what will make them ascend to Valhalla, which is meant to be the end of the game

[rose swan]

Ok, I think I understand, so you’re suggesting different dimensions kind of? Like the nether in Minecraft for example?

[brisk hollow]

I like how light-weight Valheim is to run a dedicated server. Please don't bloat it.

[granite geyser]

Adding content for the sake of content is never a good thing.

Intensely stares at Ark

[near quartz]

exactly that.

[rose swan]

Right, I think adding 1 dimension would be a massive undertaking. 10 would be very overwhelming in my opinion.

[unkempt raven]

The 9 biomes we have is all that's gonna be in the game unless they suddenly get a change of heart which i find highly unlikely.

[brisk hollow]

Unless they're all just different spawning modifiers for whole entire other servers?

[full prairie]

10 dimensions is basically decdupling(?) the size and scope of the game

or maybe because we have 9 biomes already its slightly more than doubling? oh well

[brisk hollow]

I like the idea of Deep North being the last biome and then a bunch of releases for more stuff to decorate houses with using existing content.

[near quartz]

but after that. game just ends? whenever the game has the potential to surpass that?

[unkempt raven]

9 bosses then the game is finished - that is the plan.

[full prairie]

I think it's kinda like Minecraft where the End isn't "the end"

[granite geyser]

Yup

[near quartz]

but there itsnt going to be 9 bosses.

[unkempt raven]

There isn't?

[near quartz]

theres not even a boss for ashlands. its more of seige play.

[unkempt raven]

Oh, I haven't played Ashlands yet so I didn't know that.

[granite geyser]

What

[near quartz]

seige the fortress.

[full prairie]

Games can only give you limited objectives, after that it's up to you to determine how you play going forward

[granite geyser]

Every single land biome so far has a boss, you didn't assume the next one will as well?

[brisk turtle]

There will presumably be a boss for ashlands and deepnorth, if they follow the same pattern as existing biomes, but we don't know of course

[near quartz]

i would watch the walk and talk on youtube. because theyve said theirself. its just going to be a seige based play.

[granite geyser]

That's not what they said at all

[full prairie]

The dimension idea isn't inherently bad but I think it kinda misses the scope of vanilla Valheim, I think that'd fit better as something modders can add and really devote a lot of time and effort to

[brisk turtle]

I don't think they said that the fortress stuff is going to replace bosses? I think it's more like fortresses are ashland biome's version of sunken crypts or infested mines

[near quartz]

which is going to be a fortress. i know there will be multiple mini boss. but i doubt any new bosses will be added/

[granite geyser]

#suggestion-discussion message

There will 100% be a boss

[brisk hollow]

I wouldn't mind a bunch of minibosses in castles that spawn raids after you wipe them.

[near quartz]

we shall see. if thats the case. then the spawn point would have to be updated as well, which means start from scratch once again.

not everyone wants to start a new world when something new is added

[granite geyser]

It doesn't. Creating a new world is never necessary

[unkempt raven]

The area around the boss stones at spawn is protected from building precisely so that more boss stones can be added. Nine bosses has been the plan all along.

[pure patio]

TBF, it has been necessary in a few edge cases in the past. But it should in general not be necessary, the devs work hard to ensure that.

[unkempt raven]

There was no need to start over with Mistlands, and nothing has indicated that Ashlands/Deep North/whetever the 0th boss will be will be any different.

[brisk turtle]

Also don't forget that the game is still in early access. Everything until 1.0 is still technically "testing" or whatever.

I try to not get too attached to game saves pre 1.0 of games like this, personally

[unkempt raven]

That has been due to other (specific) issues though, not lack of space for a boss stone, unless I've just completely missed that.

[pure patio]

Issues with spawning boss altars within certain rules IIRC. There were a few worlds that didn't have Moder altars or something for some reason, but it's been a while and I don't remember the full details

[near quartz]

which is understandable, but i will say if minecraft can do a different realm. i believe valheim could too. and if they did. it would change the game and bring more people than ever too it.

[brisk hollow]

@wet drift what should the reaction emoji be? Personally I think it should be the new person discord icon.

[unkempt raven]

The moder altar was due to issues with world generation iirc (the game couldn't find viable spots to place the moder altar).

[near quartz]

especially not 1 realm. but multiple. without breaking the game. many of the realms i listed could be added to the same world as we are on right now. and not cause any lag.

[unkempt raven]

Of course they can add more stuff to the game as long as they want, that doesn't mean that they want or should.

[pure patio]

Exactly. After the fix you ended up having to make a new world I think, but like I said, a very edge case that should not be expected going forward.

[near quartz]

well its along the lines of what they are building. so i dont see why they wouldnt. but hey. just throwing the idea out there.

[brisk turtle]

Valheim and minecraft are very different games, though 🙂 The devs have stated many times that their goal with valheim is to make a very focused package. I think in some ways it's better to compare valheim to like an old-school sidescrolling game. Each biome is like one of those old-school game's levels. Once you beat the final boss, that's it. The devs don't want Valheim to be a game that people play on the same save forever

So adding other realms and stuff like that is definitely possible, and maybe some people would like it, but that isn't what the devs want to do with their game as far as they have said

[near quartz]

at the end of the day. its still a survival game. with huge potential.

[full prairie]

Or if you do play on the same save for close to forever its because you made some external goal like building a village on every major land mass or something

[unkempt raven]

It's supposed to be a game you play through and finish as far as game play is concerned. Replayability is due to various ways you can play and because it's fun and also building.

[pure patio]

I think that kind of thing is more suited to mods. Valheim is already the "10th realm" as far as Norse mythology goes, there's no lore reason to make yet another world.

[granite geyser]

You're comparing two completely different games...

[brisk turtle]

I think there will be other games descended from valheim that will probably do what you're looking for more, like light no fire looks promising in that regard

[full prairie]

I dont think anyone is saying the dimension idea is bad in an of itself, but that would be more the territory of mods

[unkempt raven]

I for one welcome a game that won't throw endless content at me so I always have a lot of catching up to do. :>

[near quartz]

assets are assets my dude. mods and downloadable content will always be in video games.

[pure patio]

Who knows, IronGate may take the engine and a lot of the work and make it into a completely new game with similar mechanics but completely different 😉 But they have pretty clearly stated the scope they're intending for this game, and stuck with it.

[granite geyser]

Barely. That suggestions seems virtually impossible even in the mod realm

[brisk turtle]

What do you know

[near quartz]

nothing is impossible. just have to be dedicated to right it out.

[pure patio]

I know the games that came before Valheim and how that all led to where we are 😛

[full prairie]

There is the problem also of many games trying to do too much and not doing any of it well, where as I think Pegsters comment about it being limited in scope means they can focus on making their core idea of the game as good as it possibly can be

[unkempt raven]

So Tolroko and Fejd? :p

[full prairie]

someone mentioned ARK as being a game like that, and I'd agree

[granite geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[brisk turtle]

yea, but the devs are dedicated to making their vision of the game, which as far as we know is planned to be a tight and focused package about the story of a viking who dies and goes to valheim to kill the forsaken, and then ends

[karmic flax]

fejd is just valheim's old name lol

[unkempt raven]

Well yes and no, it was also a different concept unless I remember wrong.

Similar but not quite the same.

[full prairie]

Thats my fault, I mentioned Minecraft first as I was saying that in Valheim like in Minecraft, beating all the bosses doesnt mean the game is over, there are objectives you can make for yourself, especially building related ones that extend the lifespan of the game

[karmic flax]

i mean its not the same, its earlier development of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2qd-3qWi-c

[granite geyser]

Anyway, to conclude this: Finishing a game in just a few years >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developing it for eternity

[brisk turtle]

Fejd looks neat

[unkempt raven]

Tolroko was abandoned becuase it got too big for one dev iirc, perhaps they'll pick that up after Valheim. :p

(I'm not expecting it).

[full prairie]

They call that development hell, DayZ is one such game and its still trash

[karmic flax]

you can see assets from tolroko in valheim, like the statue in the swamps

[unkempt raven]

Yeah, and stuff that's in the files (but not in the world) like the flyer.

[karmic flax]

yeah

[brisk turtle]

speeder bikes in valheim 1.0? 👀

[granite geyser]

Depends, not all games are developed for a long time while still seem unfinished.

Like Terraria. Terraria should've ended after implementing workshop support but they're still going. I want them to work on the sequel so badly...

I'd hate to see the same thing with valheim. Finish the game and move on to other projects pls, there will always be so much you can do with the game's limitations and you can apply what you learned on future projects to make them a worthy successor

[pure patio]

After you beat the game it's revealed that it's actually been thousands of years since you died, and you get to explore your world on a flyer... 😛

[full prairie]

That's fair, and yeah I'd agree. I can understand someone wanting to keep Valheim ever expanding though as for me personally, it's the closest to a perfect survival game (by my standards) that I've yet to see.

[rose swan]

RIP Terraria Otherworld… soundtrack is great though, I’m glad it’s accessible in Terraria.

I agree though, I’d really like to see more projects from Irongate in the far far future.

[rose swan]

#suggestions message technically there are already barrels and crates in the game that you can use decoratively, but I agree that there could be a more reasonable way of placing them.

[unkempt raven]

Getting a black forest barrel is... an adventure.

[late vortex]

whoever disliked my side flip comment run the 1s w me

[silent echo]

It would be fun if they still had to be broken to be opened even if they were directly placed, so you could drop off surprise gifts to friends that had to be broken open like piñatas.

[silent echo]

I have no idea what the 1s is. Also, my primary qualms with a side flip in valheim are that we already can roll to the side, so I'm unclear what input could be used for a side flip; I don't want to lose the side roll. The other part is just that our vikings generally aren't that nimble, at least not the way like, Link is, so doing acrobatics feels mildly out of place.

[late vortex]

bruh what

[silent echo]

You're gonna have to elaborate on your confusion. Did I misunderstand your suggestion?

[late vortex]

i asked for a front flip back flip and now a side flip

that would go crazy imagine that shit

[silent echo]

Okay. I don't like the idea for the reasons I said. While it could be fun in a silly kind of way, it doesn't seem to suit Valheim in my eyes, so I'm just not big on it.

[late vortex]

you beat a boss an pop a lil backflip

how would that harm the game tho you don’t gotta use it but i will

[silent echo]

I didn't say it would? I just don't like the idea much or particularly want it in the game.

[late vortex]

nah you hatin so hard rn

[unreal schooner]

Headspin will also be cool

[late vortex]

nah see he knows bruh

[silent echo]

Also, aside, but when did titles like "Puncher of _" and "Representative of _" become a naming convention in the server? I know Subject has a storied history of punching birds but I missed when it got picked up by others lmao

[late vortex]

tera you buggin me askin so many questions

[silent echo]

You know what. I cannot be bothered to fight the formatting further on that. And lmao

[unreal schooner]

As soon as you start representing smb you get the title. The same with punching i guess

[late vortex]

i’m a flip representative

real shit

[unreal schooner]

Just flipper is ok

[void warren]

Yells from the background: "Parkour parkour!"

[granite geyser]

That's hyper

[coral cradle]

#suggestions message I was fighting the queen and wondering why I was taking so much poison damage before I realized I was drinking stamina meads instead of poison

[unreal schooner]

Just curious, why couldn't you put those (in advance) in different corners of your inventory, so you know for sure where's which?

[eternal storm]

There's any consensus about the Elder power being underwhelming and how to fix it? Asking because search doesn't give anything. There's two issues: it's not as useful as the other ones, and it's not thematically appropriate. It's the only power with no use in life or death situations, and it's not even that useful at clearing a forest considering the bonus is comparable to getting a better axe, and the duration is not enough for a task like that. Thematically, all powers seem to give you something from the boos you killed: faster like Eikthyr, impervious to melee attacks like Bonemass, and so on. But what has the Elder to do with woodcutting? It's a humanoid tree that makes things grow, shouldn't the power being more inspired by that?

[coral cradle]

Have you seen what the elders vine attack does to trees?

[wanton atlas]

hard to get a player concensus when about 200,000 users out of 12,000,000 are on discord :/

[brisk turtle]

I like the elder power, personally 🤷

[rose swan]

I think it would be neat if the elder power also increased the drop rate of seeds, but I think it’s a pretty convenient power, essentially if you’re into base building. Even then, you can get tons of wood for charcoal. Having a strong axe + elder skill will just melt trees lol.

[ruby girder]

Personally, I would keep it's damage part, but also reduce stamina usage while farming. Together the buffs should give enough use cases imo

[bitter lodge]

I barely use Elder power, I generally have Eikthyr's on by default, or sometimes Bonemass

[wet drift]

The problem with starred deathsquitos isn't just that deathsquitos are annoying.
They are designed to die in one hit unless you go to plains too early. If you can't one hit them, you can't really land a melee hit withouth also taking one, so you're either forced into range, or you loose. Because you can't trade hits 1:1 with a starred deathsquito.

I don't think you're meant to just keep elder. Pick it use it change it.

[bitter lodge]

I still don't use it even when I go out with the intention of gathering wood, unless I'm close to the stones and changing doesn't take too long.

[wet drift]

Make stones portal

[granite geyser]

I didn't even think this would be a main issue, I just hated the idea of fighting the stronger version of the valheim version of creepers.

The fact that I read that suggestion very shortly after being sneak attacked by a deathsquito while trying to kill a growth further fueled the sentiment

[sterile frost]

@sly birch theres a problem with your suggestion, with recycling made items, you can transport them thru portals. Since the game doesn't allow carrying metals thru portals, you can just make metal armour/tools and deconstruct it. Even tho you only receive half it still goes against the game's intended mechanics

[sly birch]

ohhhh true hhhmmmsssttt

[sterile frost]

Unless you're using the world modifier to let metals through the portal then it could work. But seems kinda pointless to implement a feature just for one specific modifier, or maybe not?

[sly birch]

well the suggestion was coming from me going autopilot and not realising i was in crafting tab not upgrading so maybe if there was a separate upgrade station? that allows you to upgrade forge and crafting table items

but that's just extra coding and mechanics for no reason

i'll just pay more attention next time ahaha

[brisk turtle]

the obliterator was the dev's answer to recycling items 🙂 I don't expect them to revisit it haha

[brisk turtle]

I use it for wood-chopping even with extra resource multiplier turned on. Makes gathering core wood and fine wood faster for sure. And yeah why don't you have a portal to the stones? 🤔

[bitter lodge]

I always have one, but I'm saying even then I don't bother with it as I honestly just CBF 🤭

[rose swan]

The elder comes in clutch when you’re tired of running out of wood so you decide to collect thousands lol. My stately is to use elder power to chop down trees, and I’ll place the 50 stacks just anywhere really. Once the power runs out, I work on bringing all the wood back while it recharges. Of course, it’s not perfect, and yeah you end up chopping wood sometimes while you’re waiting on the last few minutes of the recharge, but it’s pretty efficient.

[ruby girder]

laughs in 50k wood

[sterile frost]

Is it just me who plants trees on hills and cuts them from top to bottom? they just fall over breaking themselves

[unkempt raven]

A treeavalanche? Not only you, no. ;p

[rose swan]

Isn’t that an actual thing that loggers do? Learned that from a show called ‘Big Timber’ lol

[full prairie]

In tree plantations they may do something similar where they precut all the trees without felling them, then fell the ones at the top which then pushes over all the rest

[serene igloo]

@open dagger you have an obsession with deathsquitos :D

[open dagger]

they are cool

and very original and never cause any problems whatsoever

[eternal storm]

I don't see how getting more wood, one of the most easily renewable material there is, can compare to having the option to run away from enemies that could kill you with one shot, surviving such shot, or even not getting screwed by bad wind in a hot sailing situation. Since you can't have more than 1 power at the time, I'd rather have a life-saving one that one that, at most, is just mere convenience for having an ultra-basic commodity, and I wonder how many players ignore that power after having used it once (like I did).

[brisk turtle]

If I'm being honest I don't think the subject warrants as much scrutiny as you're giving it

[rose swan]

I see where you’re coming from. So it’s more of a situational thing. Moders power does you no good when you’re in a dungeon, right? Eikthyrs power is admittedly one of the best and most used, but it’s not useful when sailing, yeah? So essentially what I’m getting at, is that there are different powers that are complimentary to different situations. I’ll agree that some powers are more useful than others, but I think every power has its time and place.

[visual goblet]

Elder power could be both for wood cutting and mining bonus, since copper/first metal is introduced in Black forest. Perhaps mining bonus comes from future bosses but imo that wouldn’t make sense because it’s the end game

[unreal schooner]

To get it after Elder is killed is also kinda late at least for copper mining

[granite geyser]

Queen already gives mining power

[desert otter]

There must be some new metal to mine in the Ashlands. They wouldn't introduce mining power this late in the game.

Its just a guess

[open dagger]

its actually ingame already it just doesnt have a use

[desert otter]

Indeed, the flametal. They could remove it like they got rid of the cobwebs from the Ashlands. I wouldn't bother mining those yet

[open dagger]

and deathsquitos with stars would make sense because theres even bats with stars

[serene igloo]

Yeah but they only live in Hildir dungeons

[open dagger]

them maybe make them live in the hildir dungeon as well?

idk

[silent echo]

problem there is that deathsquitos are built for wide-open spaces, to fly away and then charge you in a straight line. currently, no dungeons are wide-open in that way, and I believe it's been discussed that making dungeons too large creates issues with RNG spawning them, so making a dungeon that's good for deathsquito attack patterns isn't super feasible

[open dagger]

that's true hmmm

[silent echo]

It's also not something I think many players are super interested in, so starred deathsquitos may just have to be something that remains in the domain of mods ^^;

[finite vapor]

starred squitos are just going to make root harnesk even more mandatory in plains instead of being a convenient option. personally i dont like being forced to play a certain way otherwise death. squitos already hit hard and are fast and spawn frequently.

regular squitos already mess up mistlands mobs pretty good

[rose swan]

Ooooh that’s a really good point Henrik, never thought about that.

‘Heavy armor’ definitely needs some love

[open dagger]

i also didnt think of that wow

[finite vapor]

well i played on hard and veryhard mode which is essentially adding stars to everything, and squitos are terrifying, can not enter plains without root vest on

unless you want to die XD

2 star very hard mode mosquito gonna be 360 dmg 💀

[sterile frost]

You meant from Mistlands

[eternal storm]

The problem is not powers being situational, all of them are: running is useless while sailing, elemental resistance is useless against big melee enemies, and so on. The problem is Elder power being useless when you go somewhere and you need a power to save you skin in that situation. There is not a single situation when felling trees can save your life, so you'll never take that power with you when you go adventuring, which is like 99% of the game unless you only play to build wood castles.

[rose swan]

Right, so isn’t the solution to swap your power depending on the situation? Like if you’re going somewhere, maybe ElderPower shouldn’t be in your kit.

If you’re adventuring, then you should pick your power accordingly, right? Is the problem that the ElderPower is purely non-combative?

[pure patio]

Wait... people use powers other than Bonemass or Eikthyr?

[sterile frost]

Moder

[rose swan]

@proud sky I believe Irongate has mentioned that this will not be implemented, though you can ‘chain’ moders power with friends to effectively extend the buff.

[karmic flax]

Yeah sailing favors multiplayers already

[proud sky]

Oh i didnt actually know that. Thanks!

[wanton edge]

What if you could build altars like mini standing stones for each boss, to make swapping powers more convenient? You could place an elder one down by your tree farm, or at an outpost you know you'll be doing some chopping at. Put a modor one by your dock.

[wanton edge]

I really love the idea of the elder increasing drop rate of seeds!

[karmic flax]

Easier to just have a portal to spawn

[rose swan]

This is really cool idea. Everyone just makes portals to spawn anyways, so it would be neat to have a little altar at base, or like you mentioned, at a tree farm.

[wanton edge]

More tedious though - I'd rather set up a cool thing that turns it into just a simple click vs staring at a portal screen twice every time. Also would serve as a visual reminder to swap, and a cool decoration

[rose swan]

100%! Portals are easy enough to make. I really like the idea of having an altar or prayer room in my base lol. Like a little church of sorts. I’m going off topic though lol but this would also be beneficial to no-portal playthroughs.

[wanton edge]

Yeah! Having more functional yet cool looking stuff to put in my base is always welcome 😁
That was the reason I first thought of it honestly, was my no map playthrough. But this discussion reinforced that it could be a neat addition for the core game

And you wouldn't be able to build it till after you hang the appropriate boss trophy at the standing stones - so you still gotta go to the stones to do that. You could even make it take a boss trophy to build? Depends on how difficult they want to make it

[rose swan]

Maybe it could function similar to workbenches and forges. You have an altar, then small totems/objects that surround it to ‘upgrade’ the altar to have more powers.

You could go fancy, and each boss crafting object could be unique. I think there’s a lot of opportunity there 🙂

[wanton edge]

Oh yeah! I didn't think about that, definitely different ways to implement it 🤔

[eternal storm]

Not just combat, it has no use in any dangerous situation, so you'll leave it at home. And even having to hop to the starting area to switch your usual power for the Elder one, you'll see that in early game it might fell trees with one less hit, which is even worse, not to mention all that wood you can't even collect in that small time frame because of their weight. Some people use it, it seems, but I wonder how many forgot about it after trying it once.

[eternal storm]

Moder for those long boat trips that can always end bad or take too much time. The other ones I still don't have them but seem useful to fight hard enemies doing elemental attacks, which are more than a few, and having more spells at disposal (maybe, not sure about that). Compare any of the above to felling trees a little faster, and tell me it can compare.

[rose swan]

Altar
A placeable station that allows the player to swap powers. To unlock more powers, upgrades must be places around it to level it up, similar to the workbench and forge. Of course, the boss must be defeated before the power can be accessed. Some example upgrade objects could be books, candles, statuettes, etc.

Most players already use a portal to return to spawn to swap powers, so an altar could serve as a quality of life change to simplify the process and cut back on portal/loading screens. This could also be a boon for players who play without portals.

What do you think @wanton edge ?

[eternal storm]

I meant just the suggestion channels here. About all the player base, I can only assume that getting more wood for a while is not an exciting as ability you want to take with you when exploring new territories or facing bosses (the most exciting parts of the game, at least for me), but who knows...

[wanton edge]

Oh nice! I was doing the same thing XD. I was thinking of leaving the mechanism open to however the devs want to implement it - maybe adding a couple examples as brain fodder

Buildable Forsaken Power Swapper

Make it so after you hang each forsaken trophy at the standing stones, you unlock some sort of buildable altar or totem that allows you to swap to that forsaken power.

Currently everyone just uses a portal to the standing stones - imagine instead having an elder one at your tree farm/outpost, a moder one at your dock, etc.
This would eliminate staring at portal screens; allow for convenient placement and visual reminder to swap powers to encourage folks to swap powers more according to what they are doing; and add another funtional yet decorative build piece for our bases.

Bonus - for no portal playthroughs this would be a massive boon.

I tend to get a little wordy though, feel free to suggest edits 😅

[rose swan]

LOL we were both cookin’ at the same time! Yeah, I think that’s pretty solid!

[wanton edge]

🤣

[rose swan]

Post it in suggestions for sure, I think it’s solid! Lol I’ll admit, in my version I snuck in some objects that I’d just like to generally have for decorative purposes 👀

[unreal schooner]

It's a yes from me, even yeses

[wanton edge]

Done! The upgrade idea is neat, I like that system and it would be cool to see more done with it. Though it might discourage the specificity of placing particular boss powers in particular places?

I really think switching comfort to that system, using a fire as a central hub and furniture as upgrades, would be so cool

[unreal schooner]

Any ideas on how it should look?

[wanton edge]

Also with the server wipe - maybe worth reposting the elder power increases seed drop from trees idea? I do think that would be a nice little buff, help with birch and oak replanting

[unreal schooner]

In terms of design

[rose swan]

Yeah, I definitely considered that having it as a station would make it less flexible, but I also imagined it would encourage more extensions to the base. Either way!

I agree, that would be super neat 👍

[unreal schooner]

What about feathers?

[wanton edge]

Hmm - if they go with requiring boss trophies, I think that should of course be incorporated.
Though some of those heads are huge 😅 🤔
I'm thinking made of stone, cool carvings - could have cool metal inlay if they want it to take metal. Could see the elder being a combo of wood and stone

[rose swan]

I was thinking the elder could be about a one meter crude figurine of the elder, but with a little more a ‘dead’ look. It’s important to remember that the player isn’t worshipping the forsaken, but rather basking in the glory of their demise haha

[unreal schooner]

You should get whole bird nests with that power and be able to bring those birdies to your base and let them fly freely there, then if you need them, there's a special knife somewhere..jk

[wanton edge]

Yeah that is important! Something that indicates you're syphoning energy from them or something

More feathers would be a fine little addition too for the elder power

[rose swan]

Eikthyr
-a large leather bound book.
-a deer skull (much smaller than Eikthyr trophy)
Elder
-a candle shaped like a hallowing elder head
-a 1m crude figurine of a ‘dead’ Elder
Bonemass
-an effigy made of bones
-an ancient ceremonial iron axe
Moder
-a small statuette of a dragon made of stone
Yaglith
-a golden crown
-a golden goblet

Just some ideas for objects that I brainstormed ||while in my meeting at work||

[granite geyser]

@sly reef what structure of the world?

[amber wind]

I think they meant create the land masses, elevation and biomes the way they want them made instead of it being randomly generated.

Maybe like a "custom world builder" app that lets you paint a custom landscape? I don't see how this would be possible without a 2nd application that you would run and work on prior to "publishing" the world to play in. It's a neat idea, but probably outside the scope of the dev, and may be a HUGE ask for modders...if I'm understanding the suggestion correctly.

[unkempt raven]

I think that's possible with mods now. I've seen some rather... unconventional worlds, like recreating Northrend and Middle Earth.

No idea how well-functioning those worlds are, though.

[granite geyser]

Afaik, those break very frequently and easily

[unkempt raven]

I'm not surprised.

[amber wind]

Break as in crash to desktop, or things stop working?

[granite geyser]

I think both. Probably the world itself not working/opening

[pure patio]

Regardless, every one should require a trophy of the boss to construct it, so you will have to defeat them at least one additional time if you want to be able to access the powers from anywhere else in the world than the sacrificial stones

[rose swan]

100%, totally agree. I almost wanted to pitch that bosses additionally could drop some sort of material, but I kinda like the incentive of fighting them again. However, I could see why people would lean towards not wanting to fight them again since they’ve already proved themselves.

Of course, I fight the bosses multiple times just to hang their heads up around my base lol

[pure patio]

Yup. So I'll need to defeat them 3 times if that gets implemented... 😛

[rose swan]

Challenge accepted

[amber wind]

scratches head at trees growing from stumps suggestion ...that's not how trees work...

But it would be cool if the small saplings that grow in the woods turn into big trees once you've cleared the area after a while...not sure how difficult that would be to implement though.

[low marsh]

So i suggested regrowing trees... i got all down votes... what are the cons of having trees regrow?

[low marsh]

just saw your post... but it is how trees grow... if you cut off the top of a tree but leave at least one healthy limb behind the tree will regrow

[low marsh]

my thinking is that you do not want a tree growing up thru your base, but it would be nice to let the forests repopulate

[amber wind]

You can always replant the trees ||with the seeds once you unlock the cultivator||.

[amber wind]

@sly reef There is already a kind of "durability" built into the weapons and tools. What if, as the durability decreases, the effectiveness of the weapon also decreases? So a weapon at 50% durability will do less damage than one at 100% durability. Then perhaps, you could introduce something like whetstones that could fix a bit of durability (25-50% per use?) and keep the weapons sharp at at max power. This could be in addition to the 100% free durability fix from the workbenches and forges? Patch kits for armor, repair kits for weapons.

[low marsh]

yeah.. but there are never enough seeds.. i have a server just for clear cutting... it got so bare i had to load a new one... i finally gave up and just spawn in wood on a separate server

[amber wind]

My goodness....how much wood do you need?

[low marsh]

lol i guess too much 🙂 spawned in about 200 stacks for my daughter yesterday... i dont use nearly as much as she does but i do not want to build on a barren waste land either

[amber wind]

I'm playing on a server with 2 others, and we have built 3-4 forts in various points (usually close to the next biome we plan to invade) and we have barely made a dent in the trees. I would say we've probably chopped down 0.00000001% of the trees....and we already have tons of tree seeds if we ever needed to replant.

Oh...try increasing the drop rate too? If you just need a ton of wood for building, increase the drop rate to 3x while chopping. Decrease it again when exploring/adventuring.

[low marsh]

i play on a server with 4 others... we each build our own bases.. .those stockade walls take a LOT of wood... i usually just build stone walls.. this time i am trying to use less because i cant be bothered to cut wood anymore... i have spent HOURS of my life doing it and no more... but yeah i tend to keep a stock of about 24,000 wood for projects.. not unusual to use the majority of it

[amber wind]

Yeah, we've found that increasing the drop rate to at least 1.5x reduces some of that fatigue, without blowing everything else out of proportion.

[low marsh]

the drop rate adjustment is a new thing... i will have to try it on my private servers.. i do not maintain the server... will have ask.. GPortal does not make changes easy..

[karmic flax]

Im 99.9% sure damage isnt affected by durability

[amber wind]

Aye...I was adding to their suggestion. It always seemed to me like the durability/repair at the workstations thing was kind of half baked/never finished. Like perhaps it should require materials to fix. But I guess it's been that way for so long that that's just how it is now. 🙂

[karmic flax]

Alright, its late, im probably missing stuff sorry

[bitter lodge]

@earnest sentinel That would require a big rework of the game engine, and I'm fairly sure the devs have already stated no to it.

[ruby girder]

#suggestions message
I was thinking about this too, A gate and floor for the copper walls would be great

[wanton atlas]

[granite geyser]

@tawny idol There's literally nothing stopping you from going to either of those biomes even before you reach mountains so the biome progression would still be perfectly trivialised

[wanton atlas]

you can do the first 5 bosses in any order

but we cannot tailor RNG for player made challenges :/
and we cannot guarantee either it will spawn

[wanton atlas]

indeed.
Vikings ain't dwarfs

[charred yoke]

I would like to see some focus on multiplayer. The ability to have up to 10 spawn points in different meadow biomes and let PvP be a server setting. Also allow for creation of teams, either while playing or when you enter the game the first time. Team members would have no or reduced player damage and would be able to see each other on the map if enabled, without anyone else seeing them. Would open up for some interresting fun multiplayer games with friends.

[wanton atlas]

neither of that is what we have plans for

1. valheim isn't a multiplayer game. it's co-op PvE.
2. it's not a PvP game. your suppose to progress towards a goal. not fight other vikings
3. Valheim is not balanced with PvP in mind what so ever

There are multitude of other games to play if you want to PvP.

[vital torrent]

Dvergr house keeper to make your base little livelier. 😊

[unreal schooner]

Valheim mister handy

[olive yacht]

#suggestions message bro... THAT IS A GOOD SUGGESTION! I REALLY HOPE the devs add it because then hildirs hard quests would be more rewarding. I dont want just some stupid clothes after hard work of sailing.

[unreal schooner]

What if you have no money to pay him, would he kill your hens one at a time untill you find money?

[vital torrent]

I think it would be one time payment. The treasures start to pile up anyway in Valheim. 😊

And I don't want what he does to be too BIG, but some chores like the lights in bigger bases would be great.

And the material would be gone anyway as a cost.

[unreal schooner]

And he would always take random cooked food from your food chest so you would have to hide it from him

[vital torrent]

And really, adding Hildr and the Merchant was already great. Dvergr's should be utilised as friends. 😊

[unreal schooner]

I don't want to be skeptic about your suggestion, but i think he would bring more irritation to you than actual help

[charred yoke]

Maybe... but PvP in valheim is still fun, maybe because the balance doesn't matter. We've had some quite fun games with setting up in different areas away from the middle with different communities and raiding, but it required us to bring stuff for a ship. 🙂

[vital torrent]

It is all in the programming how well it works. It can be good or bad.

[full prairie]

I'm pretty sure it's not really possible on unity

[olive yacht]

Damn man :( just why so many people vote " 👎 " for that dvergr house keeper suggestion. I think its the best suggestion i've seen ever. its just so lonely in your base when solo. the house keepers would really bring some life to it. :D

[full prairie]

Don't take the thumbs downs too personally, there's a lot of different reasons why someone might thumbs down it

[wanton atlas]

most people have realised that just re-using the same thing from previous biomes are kinda boring, when we instead offer new things instead

[unreal schooner]

No it's more about different players preferences. If you want that torch to be fueled up, i want another one, if you want that egg to be picked up, i don't and so on

[olive yacht]

yeah im not taking them personally. im just sad because i think its a very good suggestion. bases in solo just feel so empty.

[vital torrent]

Thanks Rasi. That is just my thought. ❤️

[wanton atlas]

@vital torrent we don't want NPC's to lift your load as a player

you are there to prove your worth as a warrior to odin

not as a tribal warrior or a chief

[vital torrent]

And I don't mean we would have many Dvergrs popping up after. Even one would be great. 😄

[vital torrent]

By... putting up lights? "peers"

Just joking btw. 😛

[wanton atlas]

super-hard no to such a thing

basicly. you could just tell him to go kill all the bosses for you. while your lazy viking just go fish

then the Dvergr would be freed from slavery, be let into valhalla and your viking would be eternally damned to be left to die in valheim. and turn into a draugr (basicly sasuage drops for another viking who might be worthy)

[vital torrent]

But, it would be salary, so no slavery. Although, work nowadays could be seen as slavery depending on your employer...

Fine, the house keeper would pet your animals and talk to you. Roam the house only?
I just tried to invent him to do also stuff a little. 🥺

[wanton atlas]

it works like Thralls

you buy a slave, but you still pay some kind of sallary over time so the thrall can buy his own freedom

[vital torrent]

I guess that would be the viking way... 🤔

[wanton atlas]

altho we don't want that 👀

you prove your worth

not for you to prove your thralls worth 😅

[vital torrent]

But Dvergrs are lovely! (Unless you hit them by accident and they kill you)

[olive yacht]

what if you give them weekends? So it wont be slavery. They would work for five days and then take two days resting in their bed or something

[wanton atlas]

Dvergr are in valheim to farm materials 😉

[unreal schooner]

You sign a 50 page contract beforehand

[vital torrent]

Other choice for a suggestion I thought would be special skin to a wolf. To make it really a pet dog and it would look different. But that was really trivial.

I mean as simple as, it would be brown coloured and having "tricks" function.

By a quest again more than buying. But similar thought anyway.

[olive yacht]

well.. could you add something else to make your base feel more alive?

[wanton atlas]

dogs, boars, loxes 🤔

[unreal schooner]

talking boss trophies on walls..

[olive yacht]

they do something but not much

[wanton atlas]

and remember. the game is ment to be played by

1 player. or a friendly group in co-op
for 1 play session. not 1000's of hours

so many people compare valheim to a MMORPG. which over time bloat the content so much. that beginners just refund the game because it's to overwhelming at start

[fluid goblet]

it could still have as much content as MMORPG and have it exposed as Valheim already does, little by little... the overwhelming feeling comes from being exposed to ALL of it at the same time

make it 99 forsaken

93 biomes left to develop

[silk halo]

1.0 due 2115

[granite geyser]

I just remembered that the entire argument I made about automated NPCs was lost during the Hack Wars...

And it was a long one ;-;

[silk halo]

automated NPC's cost money (in other games), so have them require paying like 5000 gold per day or they leave, making the player at least farm gold for the privilege or some other equal cost to the value you get from them

[pure patio]

Hire mercenaries, pay them, get them killed, take the cash off their corpses, lather, rinse, repeat?

[silk halo]

they could also have an upkeep cost like a certain amount of food/wood/stone per day

and need housing of their own

so to benefit from their services at all you have to go to massive effort and cost

[wanton atlas]

1.0 never

maybe in the year 2525

or 3535

no one will get that reference anyhow 🤷

[silk mountain]

If man is still alive...

I came to say that buying a housekeeper from Hildr is slavery, but I see that has already been discussed

[silk halo]

we already have skeleton slaves

[unreal schooner]

For me that is still a futurama reference, not a song reference

[amber wind]

In the year 9595!, Valheim releases version 0.5...

Just poking fun Smiffe...😄

[pure patio]

@olive yacht skeleton armor is already the shield staff...

[olive yacht]

did you read my suggestion to the end?

[pure patio]

I did. Doesn't change that that's the intent. They're already very powerful.

[olive yacht]

it would be cool to have even some armor. i was talking about one single armor piece not full armor. even some 8 defense would be cool.

[spiral fog]

average 1 star seeker reaction to 8 armour:

[olive yacht]

my skeletts still die really fast and i have to resummon them REALLY often when fighting loxes example

[pure patio]

Yeah, they are weak to blunt damage. Lox do a ton of blunt damage. Why would they not die quickly?

[amber shuttle]

you can give them a shield with the protection staff

helps them survive longer and distract the enemies more

[olive yacht]

im literally just explaining how it doesn't really work either to strong mobs

[pure patio]

You need to level it up for it to do more good, but it is pretty much the point. They are not supposed to do your fighting for you, they are a distraction for the enemies.

[olive yacht]

i love how im just always complaining about the dead raiser😆

[olive yacht]

it takes really long

but whatever

[amber shuttle]

it does, but it's worth it

nothing beats throwing fireballs while Bob, billy, and Billybob soak up the damage and aggro

[pure patio]

Remember, you're a Viking, not a necromancer. The point of the dead raiser is not to have a bunch of minions and avoid combat entirely yourself. They are there to assist.

[karmic flax]

You can do two things at once. Summon skeletts under a greydwarf nest(without bow) and farm skill + mats

[olive yacht]

yeah i've always done that but it still takes much time but yeah i get the point guys, i need to level it

[wanton atlas]

pro-tip.
let the dead be dead 👀

[olive yacht]

lmao💀

[amber wind]

Question about the items needing a forge/stonecutter in the area to build. Once the items are built, can you remove the forge/stonecutter and still keep the item? Can it be repaired?

[rose swan]

That is correct. They cannot be repaired.

[silk mountain]

#suggestions message @spiral fog From what I understand of how the water in game works, that's likely not viable. Since all water is at a standard level across the whole map, it wouldn't be able to just be added or removed in particular spots.

[karmic flax]

yeah, water is always at the same level, even underground

[ruby girder]

#suggestions message
I really love this idea, requiring stonecutters for paving has always felt like a weird requirement especially due to their limited range and constant need to move them for a road.

[wanton edge]

Yeah its a great idea!

Much more straightforward than a stone cutter cart, which is the other idea I've seen floated to solve that problem. Long walls would still require lots of stonecutter moving, but that doesn't seem as egregious of an issue to me

[unreal schooner]

A pocket stonecutter will obviously solve all the problems 😄

[sage chasm]

Goblin Chieftains
Examples:

• a spear goblin gets the last blow on you... then that mobs home village will spawn a Chieftain whos main weapon is a spear, most troops will be spear and decorations around the village will praise the spear.
• a sword and shield goblin ... then spawn a sword and shield Chieftain (could even have random chance of being buckler, round or tower shield) ... etc... etc...
• a berseker Gob spawning a Chieftain dual wielding two-handed weapons with a village portraying the dumbing down of the goblin troops.
• a mage gob spawning as a Chieftain that uses multiple staffs/magiks with different area of effect spells and buffs for their troops.

Suggestion: https://discordapp.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202312684364910612/1208585957897539645

[desert otter]

I know this has been suggested many times in the past, but I'm curious why devs are so against adding bushes, various small tree types, vines, and other decorative flora to the cultivator menu?! I understand that berries, mushrooms, and thistles might discourage exploration, fine, let's not include them. But other decorative plants that offer little besides maybe wood should be included. I'm sure it's just a matter of adding them to some arrays in the code, it shouldn't take much programming time at all. I'd imagine the majority of players who enjoy building want this.

[desert otter]

I just looked there's a simple mod for this, but I don't wanna use it. People on this server are hardcore vanilla purists, they loathe any screenshots with mods

[wanton edge]

its unlabeled modded screenshots that get the most ire, and its because it is very easy to cause confusion/false expectations to people who see the screenshots and don't know its modded. If you disclose that you used a mod for planting decorative flora with your screenshots folks wouldn't get that upset

[unkempt raven]

I can't recall any specific opposition to adding purely decorative bushes and stuff either, that something hasn't been added to the game doesn't mean that the devs hate the idea, it means that it hasn't been added to the game (at least not yet).

That doesn't mean it will come, of course, as not adding a bunch of stuff just for the sake of adding more stuff is one of the main design philosophies. Pretty much everything in the game serves a purpose gameplay-wise, purely decorative bushes would just be decoration.

[granite geyser]

They aren't

[granite geyser]

And this isn't true at all. There is literally a whole section dedicated to modding...

[silk halo]

imagine you saw the shots and assumed those things were available and then bought the game for them, only to find out they aren't even place-able in the game you bought for them

[bitter lodge]

They are?

[bitter lodge]

Something not limited to just Valheim

[silk halo]

at best it's misleading, at worst, IG could be accused of false advertising

[granite geyser]

Probably saw like one or two users disliking mods and immediately went "literally all +100k users in this server hate mods smh"

[bitter lodge]

Only it was an official advertisement, which it wouldn't be.

[silk halo]

you underestimate the stretches folk are capable of xD

remember we're all hardcore vanilla purists xD

[bitter lodge]

Eh, I used to be, then I tried the auto repair mod 🤭

As I've said before I'm against mods that completely change the game balance, but little quality of life things like auto repair I'm all for

[silk halo]

yeh but it's not a use mods vs not argument, it's about keeping the vanilla screenshots channel for vanilla builds using vanilla methods and items, to avoid the situations i referred to

[bitter lodge]

I seriously doubt anything bad is going to happen. Has there ever been a precedent for this situation?

[silk halo]

in other games certainly, not here afaik

and tbh they'd have a hard time disproving a claim if they allow unofficial content to be displayed in official channels

[unkempt raven]

Prime example in #building-screenshots just now, looks amazing and people will want to build it and there's no indication at all that it's not possible to do it in Valheim unless you know from experience that what you see is modded.

[bitter lodge]

I think you're looking into this way too much

[silk halo]

lol, rn it's an accident waiting to happen

[bitter lodge]

@wanton atlas Would this be an actual issue Smiffe? Valheim accused of false advertising because of this reason? I don't see it ever happening. I could of course be wrong.

[wanton atlas]

valheim false advertisement?

[bitter lodge]

If someone saw a screenshot with mods and assumed it was the vanilla game, and bought the game because of it, but then found out it was mods

[wanton atlas]

well

it's probably down to where you see such modded content

[bitter lodge]

I said it would be an issue only if it were an official ad, which it wouldn't be

[wanton atlas]

like. if we as Iron Gate Studio upload pictures of modded content onto our webpage, steampage etc. it's probably bad

but if you see a streamer playing modded content. it's not as bad

it will reflect very poorly on the person who then lies about "yeah, this is vanilla"

[silk halo]

well the issue at hand is modded content in screenshots in official channels

[wanton atlas]

hence #mods-screenshots exist 😄

[bitter lodge]

Official channels, but not an official advertisement

[wanton atlas]

yeah

[silk halo]

problem is ppl are still posting modded stuff in screenshots and building screenshots

and not the mod one

if that gets fixed i don't see any issue

[desert otter]

Nah, people here are just die hard vanilla purists. They loathe seeing modded content cause they want it in their game but refuse to install mods so they take out that frustration on the one posting the screenshot. If a simple mod like allowing planting of existing game stuffs annoys you, that's on you mate

[granite geyser]

Not only you're misinterpreting what mechanic is saying what you say is still wrong lol

Again, just bc you saw like two people saying "mods bad" doesn't mean literally the whole server follows the same principle. You're definitely reading what you want instead of what is being actually said...

[brisk turtle]

Nothing wrong with preferring a vanilla experience over a modded experience. People shouldn't be negative to folks who prefer the modded experience either, though. Just let everyone enjoy the game they like to enjoy

[desert otter]

I used to share screenshots of my building progress on the old server but some zealous vanilla purists kept telling me to post them in #mods-screenshots because I used Infinity Hammer for precise building. Then when I did post in the mod channel they told me not to because my screenshots didn't have a lot of modded content in them

[brisk turtle]

Sounds like the mod screenshot folks should chill 🤷

[desert otter]

so do the fanatic purists

[brisk turtle]

I mean it makes sense to me if there is a modded screenshot channel and a not-modded screenshot channel, then anything with modded content should go in the modded screenshot channel. 🤷

[unkempt raven]

Yeh, imagine wanting modded screenshots in the channel for modded screenshots and not in the channel specifically for vanilla screenshots. The audacity!

[desert otter]

The audacity to think the Infinity Hammer adds anything to the game aside from letting you place things 1CM to the left or right. But let's stay on topic, what's the reason for this? #suggestions message

[silk halo]

the audacity to think a mod is a mod....

[brisk turtle]

Yeah, I don't want to seem like a "fanatic" or anything, but if there are clearly-marked areas for "modded" and "not modded", I would be annoyed if I saw modded content in the not modded area. There are some games that I don't like seeing modded content for because it kills my immersion. Valheim is one of them 🤷

#suggestions message

This may just be a setting that needs to be changed, if the intent is that people should be able to reply. Discord forum channel settings are annoying

[unkempt raven]

I don't see a reason to not be able to respond when the Seeds channel was turned into threads - I thought that was done to avoid cluttering the main channel with spam like the old channel was. I remember people being surprised by it but can't recall seeing any reason given. My guess would be that it's an oversight.

[desert otter]

It does seem like an oversight but the channel has been up for a few days now. @wanton atlas is this just an oversight or is there some good reasoning behind it?

[silk halo]

on the whole it should just be extremely clear what belongs where and what doesn't, to avoid all confusion

[unkempt raven]

Yeah, much more sensible to draw a line at "mods vs no mods" than "mods that change the game this much bit not more vs mods that change the game mor ethan that".

[desert otter]

Nah you wouldn't know if it's vanilla or modded if I showed you my building where I used the precise build mod, unless you're a rabid vanilla purist

[brisk turtle]

You're probably underestimating how easy it is to tell if something is modded. Post the screenshot in #screenshots and I'll tell you what the giveaways are

[unreal schooner]

If you can make it that way so noone can tell if it is modded, then it's ok ig

[unkempt raven]

I guess spawning things with dev commands is sort of a grey area, but while not vanilla under some definitions since it's not meant to be a part of the game it's available for everyone with the game when you first get it so it is vanilla in that sense.

[desert otter]

Mate, you just proved yourself as an overzealous purist. Now you want to inspect my buildingsreally closely looking for any signs that they're not totally vanilla? Anyway on the old server I remember there was a message pinned saying it was fine to share buildings made with mods in #building-screenshots

[brisk turtle]

No, I want to point out to you the places that make it obvious that something was created with modded building tools, because you seem to think that anyone who notices obvious telltales is an "overzealous purist"

I don't actually care if modded content goes in whatever channel, as long as the devs rules are being followed, but I am also contending that it's really easy to tell when something is vanilla vs. not vanilla

[silk halo]

why care so much that you would go to such extreme lengths to conceal mods, rather than just post modded content where it's supposed to go?

[unkempt raven]

It generally is easy to tell if you know what you're seeing. If you're new to looking at that kind of stuff it's hard to know.

[desert otter]

I never tried to conceal anything lol. On the old server, i kept telling them it's fine to post there but they keep insisting because they're purists and think they're better than everyone else. If you've ever used infinity hammer you'd know it's only good for precise building. Anyway we're going off track, so quit tagging me because I'll just respond

[silk halo]

has nothing to do with being purists as i explained earlier, further discussion is meaningless

[rose swan]

Late to the party, but I’m optimistic that we’ll see some more placeable decorative flora. As far as I know, no one is against it- other than plantable berry bushes, but obviously there’s a line. I had an idea that I sort of dropped, but I think having a separate tool for decorative flower from the cultivator would be great.

Staff of Ratatosk
A purely decorative tool that opens up a build menu similar to the hammer or cultivator. This item is purely for natural decorations (see below). This allows for a complete separation between functional objects and purely decorative ones. Perhaps the staff can be obtained late game or part of a quest? I believe this would be a great immersive item that can satisfy those who want to simply place natural objects without mods.
-‘plant’ an ancient tree.
-using respective seeds, place young/small trees.
-plant mushrooms that do not regrow, as well as other flora.
-plant bushes that do not grow berries.
-place a bee nest

Found it 🤷🏼‍♂️

[unkempt raven]

Would love to have something like that but I don't expect it since it'll just be "extra stuff" rather than things that have an actual gameplay value. Then again, the same can be said for Hildir's stuff so I'm far from certain that we won't see more decorative vegetation added at some point.

Also, being able to plant all kinds of decorative vegetation would remove the challenge/satisfaction of building a base around natural vegetation.

[rose swan]

Right, it would probably be like a minor update, If even before 1.0, if I had to guess. Definitely not priority.

I do agree, but I think the trade would be worth it. There are so many amazing builds that utilize flora creatively. ||Smitty is my favorite||

[unkempt raven]

Yeah I certainly think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

[unkempt raven]

||Smitty is my favorite|| One of my favourites as well for sure.

[rose swan]

The number of builds that I’ve done that are completely based around even just one small fir tree is kind of absurd 😅 but they look so good!

[sly reef]

I am talking about that u can create form of world, where should be the island, how large, how hight, so its like terraforming while creating the world

[rose swan]

Ah, so world generation options? Like size for example? I believe people have suggested stuff like Pangea style maps.

[unreal schooner]

#suggestions message dr martens?

[rose swan]

I immediately thought of Samus’ jet boots lol

[rose swan]

Personally, I don’t think portals need to be any stronger than they currently are. I think if you’re going to take the risk of building an exposed portal, then one of the consequences should be the possibility of getting attacked right after teleporting. If you want ore protection, then the portal should be safeguarded better. Just my opinion!

[granite geyser]

So telling you to post in the correct channel makes you a vanilla purist? Following that logic then mods are all purists bc that's exactly what they would tell you anyway. There is literally a rule stating that users should keep to the topic of the channel.

On the other note, people from that channel play modded like you, meaning that doesn't have anything to do with vanilla at that point so idk why you still brought up the point of purist still needing to chill

[wanton atlas]

@weary edge eh what?

the game auto-snaps building pieces

[weary edge]

@wanton atlasno they don't, placing posts to surface, tried snapping another below it. I can place it next to it and as long as its touching it works, but looks wacky, pieces do not snap to one another like Icarus snaps their building features.

has partial snap feature like walls to walls, and doors, but posts not in the same aspect feature...

[ruby girder]

try cycling snap points to find the right one then snapping. Pretty much everything in the building tab snaps.

wdym by posts btw?

[weary edge]

i can stream it and show proof

[unreal schooner]

I think he means say horizontal beams don't snap vertically to each other, no?

[ruby girder]

Ah I see
could be, yeah they don't

[granite geyser]

What posts?

[wanton atlas]

I don't understand anything

some build pieces don't snap. but it's very limited (like signs)

[unreal schooner]

He means long posts/beams don't snap on their longer side to each other, which is true

[wanton atlas]

right

so fun fact about snap points

they create lag

🙂

so adding snap points to something is "lag expensive"

and specificly for some spammable objects. it's even harder

I haven't tried how "bad" it is. but as an example. building a solid cube of stone floors and make it like 64x64x64 would probably add a trillion instances

[silk mountain]

Bro also put two suggestions in one post

[unreal schooner]

Nice, that what we all should shout after him leaving the conversation 'it's laggy!'

[wanton atlas]

some put 10

[wanton atlas]

some people learn to work around these limitations tho

[silk mountain]

Question: does the suggestions channel automatically put the light bulb emoji? I can't imagine people would be unfailingly consistent with that but I also was unaware discord had such a feature

[wanton atlas]

nope

people actually have to put the 💡 in

[silk mountain]

Wow so they really are just that consistent, ngl I'm impressed

[wanton atlas]

else our Odin bot will delete it and send you your deleted suggestion in a DM

[silk mountain]

OH got it

[wanton atlas]

it's to prevent discussions in that channel

altho some people still do it by "reply to" feature. but I delete those since it's basicly either piggybacking or stealing a suggestion

[ruby girder]

i always thought it was a weird thing but that makes so much more sense
very smart

[wanton atlas]

yeah. else we developers would have to scroll through 1000's of lines. to find something

[ruby girder]

true

[brisk turtle]

wait is each snap point an instance? 😭

[rose swan]

Hmmm not sure about boots of levitation. But I wouldn’t be opposed to a set that was basically a builders set. Lower stamina cost for building, weight reduction for woods/stone, stuff like that.

[granite geyser]

For the first you have hildir sets, for the second, a cart

[rose swan]

Ahh, I haven’t experienced the Hildir sets yet, was not aware of their effect. Carts might be difficult to get on a second floor or roof 😉 either way, it’s kind of a non-issue in my opinion, I was just responding to a suggestion. Additionally, meginjord is a good answer to a ‘builders buff’ if you will.

On a side note, this is probably a silly question- but what is an instance, and why is it bad?

[wet drift]

Honestly, seeing as we already have slow falling capes, even levitation boots wouldn't be way way too crazy if they ate a ton of eitr. You wouldn't be able to fly around, but perhaps go to the top of a mistlands cliff.

The problem comes from the combination of slow falling and levitating.

That being said, I would very much be in favor of something magical being utility, and not just a combat alternative.

[wet drift]

In non-Valheim-specific terms, an instance is just a copy of something. But what I assume is meant here is just that these points are "a thing that exists", not just something the game makes on the spot. (I'm not sure whether that is obvious, or obviously bad, I've never tried making this kind of system)

[unreal schooner]

Wait a second.. ok, nvm 😶‍🌫️

[rose swan]

I will say, building structures has a handful of challenges, but they’re all good and immersive challenges in my opinion. Like falling is a big risk of course, managing materials is an important factor, and having a diet that revolves around building is important as well. Building feels rewarding and the challenges are fun to overcome.

[granite geyser]

Stuff like that is why I'm so mixed on the implementation of magic.

Now everything "makes sense" bc you can just throw eitr at it...

We should've been left vanilla

[rose swan]

Honestly yeah, I 100% see where you’re coming from. I think if we had boots of levitation for example, some of that cozy immersion could potentially be intruded on. That’s just my take 🙂

Houses that build themselves! 🪄

That’s kinda where I fall on automation as well, if we just had little helpers refueling torches and planting crops, a lot of that connection with your home would be lost.

Too many time have I built something decent in Minecraft, only for it to not really matter because I have farms that make quite literally every item in the game.

[granite geyser]

make feather falling cost eitr

[wet drift]

As magic undeniably exists in the world, and the progression is gear based, it would honestly have been weird if we never tapped into it.
Optimally, magic shouldn't be the easiest way to do very normal things, but should be useful for very specific things. That's why I like the idea of levitation boots that eat like 5/eitr per upwards unit. Suddenly having eitr and eitr regen is gonna feel pretty useful in the mist, but it doesn't majorly change how you travel.

It'll get you up the cliff, but no further.

[mortal lichen]

......welp that explains a lot

[karmic flax]

@pure vine you can make your own sun dial

[pure vine]

👀

[unkempt raven]

@pure vine you can just bui-Larsi beat me to it.

[karmic flax]

or just look at the sun and compare to minimap

[pure vine]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-gif-25165864

[wanton atlas]

yes

[karmic flax]

sun and moon rise in east, go south and then west

so if you face them, then look at what direction you're facing, you can tell how much is left of day/night

[pure vine]

Genius.
But still, a nice, sundial model could be fun.

[wanton atlas]

I've seen 100's of working Ingame sundials 😄

[karmic flax]

yeah

[pure vine]

I still haven't made one but maybe I should. 🤔

[wanton atlas]

it would actually be harder for us to make one than for players to actually do one 😉

[pure vine]

Ah, nifty.
Thank. This is good.

[brisk turtle]

now I know why my stone towers are causing so many instances... sob

Is there any possibility of making the snap point instances go away after a time? And then you can poke it with a hammer to make them come back?

[wanton atlas]

I've argued for this aswell. but the problem is "what if it fail to come back" 😄

in multiplayer

meaning your entire house could explode 😄

[pure vine]

Houses exploding is not ideal.

[karmic flax]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-explosion-tenet-going-in-reverse-going-backwards-kaboom-gif-18325589

[brisk turtle]

Wait why would the houses explode if the snap points suddenly disappeared? Oh... because of how the structural system works... oof

I feel like there must be a better way of making it happen in the backend... hope y'all can make a berakthrough some day 🥲

[wanton atlas]

just imagine your house explodes like one of those plains obelisks 😄

[brisk turtle]

yeah, no, I get it... just a big bummer that the building system is so awesome, but it's also inherently more lag the cooler your building base is... 🥲

[wanton atlas]

yeah

some games tries to do the same, but avoid the problems

[karmic flax]

i got about 25-30k instances in my main building, which is in the water, so almost all the instances are from buildings, instead of like trees, etc lol

[pure vine]

I used to lag furiously in any semi-busy area that had, like, a few too many trees so I'd only build in wide clearings near water.

[wanton atlas]

it all comes down to your hardware

the better it is, the more it can withstand when it comes to hardware

[pure vine]

I have hardware that isn't as ancient anymore so that's less of a problem now.

[wanton atlas]

define ancient 😉

[pure vine]

8-core i3 930 @ 2.3GHz I think was my old processor.

[wanton atlas]

my mates 4090 + 7950X3D processor still comes to a crawl when we build like mad 😄

Valheim could probably bring a NASA computer to 1 FPS if we tried

just build enough 😄

[pure vine]

Build the entire map. NYC made of stone, iron, wood, and viking screaming.

[wanton atlas]

nah

just build within LOD distance of the player

[pure vine]

In my old PC's case, just build anywhere. Like a campfire. Or an outhouse.
Game's a hell of a lot more optimized these days though.

[wanton atlas]

atm. RAM seems to be a big thing

while CPU bound

I got a 7700X with 6000MT/s RAM @ CL30

[pure vine]

Got a hand-me-down PC from a friend and it blows my old one out of the water. i7-8700 @ 3.2GHz, 12 processors. GeForce GTX 1070.

We might be a little off topic on suggestions discussions.
I had a few good ones (believe it or not) that were lost when those trolls purged the server. Forgetting what they are. I'd be happy to have wind chimes though. I would still like some more meads with fun effects to be honest 🥴

[unreal schooner]

What is the approx distance for building parts to disappear completely from your sight? On very high settings?

Long time ago i figured it as approx 200 m. Is it correct?

Mb 180 m

[distant cypress]

Just wanted to say I bought the game shortly after its release but have just been getting into it recently and I absolutely love it. The gameplay is very adducting and fun, and it always keeps me going to see what I can unlock next. I also love the building and the ability to terraform the land thank you for this gem ❤️

[pure vine]

I wish my friends liked it too, but we seem to prefer completely opposite games in every way 😔

[distant cypress]

yeah I know the feeling

[amber wind]

cough cough make new friends cough cough

[wanton atlas]

depends on what buildings. some have longer LOD distances, some have shorter

[unreal schooner]

Say stone wall?

[karmic flax]

@thin bridge not possible

[thin bridge]

well, i can imagine that it could be a huge modification. Anyways, it is always good to ask 😛

[silk halo]

roughly 3 chunks even at crazy lodbias settings ye

the "active area"

3x3 active, 5x5 loaded, 9x9 generated

[unreal schooner]

what is a chunk?

[karmic flax]

areas of the map

64x64 meters

if you see weird straight lines in game, that's a chunk border

[silk halo]

you can make them out clearly over my lake build (looking down on the lake)

if i'm one side of the lake i can't see my buildings on the other

even with everything maxed

[rose swan]

What about like a weird curvy stone line after you pathen an area?

[rose swan]

👀

[karmic flax]

Not sure what you mean tbh

[unreal schooner]

I think it's also a border of a 'chunk' then

https://www.reddit.com/r/valheim/comments/zi88i1/does_anyone_know_what_this_stone_line_in_the_soil/

[karmic flax]

that looks like terraforming from before and after mistlands interacting

[unreal schooner]

Ah, ok

[low marsh]

@pure vine
The sundial you requested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvjK_v3Dj2A

[pure vine]

Yeah, I forgot about this completely.

[wanton atlas]

@mental tiger hi chris. Cool to see a Alpha player around 🙂
A 2nd build hammer has been suggested a few times.
Tho I'm not sure people want to "juggle" diffrent build hammers just to access more build items :/

[mental tiger]

Hi Smiffe! thanks for the quick reply 🙂
Maybe just as an idea, you could make the old wooden hammer obsolete by completely switching to the new hammer at a certain point. (how could this work : at a specific point, based on progression in the world, dont add new building objects to the wooden hammer , so new one is crucial to be used)

[hollow crystal]

arent you supposed to only suggest 1 thing per message

[wanton atlas]

I am

mostly because it's bad to do so and also people can't really upvote or downvote them

[bitter lodge]

Two build hammers sounds silly imo

[wanton atlas]

having to juggle 2 hammers because they allow diffrent building options you mean?

[bitter lodge]

Yeah

[silk halo]

we could just upgrade the current one at a certain point in progress, give it some fancy details/materials added perhaps

(along with a boost in durability)

[bitter lodge]

That would make more sense. Just upgrade it with something only attainable in the later biomes like Mountains or higher

[bitter lodge]

@mortal edge Cool idea but seems a little pointless since you have a timer and other players can just say how much time is left for them.

[mortal edge]

the only thing is that it's effective, every detail adds charm to the game

[wanton atlas]

@low gull how powerful? 🤔
usually the draw-distance will break your PC anyhow if you adjust it to maximum or go a little more

[weary edge]

I'm spoiled for building when I play Icarus as to how pieces fit together and I not need to stand in a special position in order to get a snap angle for placing, I come to Valheim and my ability to build is so primitive. Understand everyone has their own design, I often wonder if they ever compare other platform aspects of how mechanics work. Vertical Wood Posts do not snap on and this is a major turn off, I have to make certain sacrifices in order to build on stable floors and terrains.

[low gull]

RTX4090 with AMD 7800X3D and 32GB of fast RAM

[granite geyser]

Everything in the building tab snaps

[weary edge]

@granite geyser incorrect

[granite geyser]

Correct*

All building pieces have snap points and you can snap them on other pieces.

The only ones that don't have it are some in the misc. Tab and most furniture

[weary edge]

Vertical Square posts Do not, they will snap to a corner floor from under but you have to view it from under to snap it, and if you can't see the angle from under than it snaps to top if that is the angle, as far as together Nope!

[ruby girder]

you cycle snap mode from top/bottom/auto using q/e and easily snap verical posts as you like

[granite geyser]

Then press Q and E while trying to place them in order to alternate between snap points

[ruby girder]

all building pieces can cycle using their snap points

[weary edge]

Will test right now, Logging back in

[granite geyser]

Having to move around to find the correct point stopped being an issue a long time ago

[rose swan]

The snap feature was one of the best things added to Valheim lol. For builders at least.

[ruby girder]

I wasn't there in those times, lucky or tbh it would've bothered me too lol

I mapped my q key to a mouse button so building is very easy

[rose swan]

I don’t know, I find building in Valheim to be one of the most (if not THE most) satisfying experiences, it’s incredibly intuitive.

[rose swan]

Building docks was rough 😅

[ruby girder]

in it's current state, definitely

[ruby girder]

i bet

[wanton atlas]

what CL on those ram?

[weary edge]

@granite geyser I was wrong, that Q & E is exactly what I was looking for, Makes building so much perfecto

[wanton atlas]

you can probably use the LODBIAS command and try yourself 🤔

[low gull]

Forgot about that - thanks I'll try it

[wanton atlas]

but alot of things are hardcoded. like grass popping in your face

[rose swan]

@weary edge what would you think about workshops extenders (in addition to upgrade objects) that would give a flexible area of building? For example, you place a workbench, and on the edge of its radius you could place something- let’s say, a tool crate that isn’t costly, as a sort of pylon? And perhaps these pylons could be linked together?

Personally I really enjoy the building system how it is, I think it’s extremely creative and immersive.

[brave glen]

#suggestions message a fist weapon that are boots you wear on your hands would be funny
Double knockback hand-boots

[rose swan]

Just thought of this as well, but if you were able to place walls/floors down without a workbench, you’d be able to exploit a lot of enemy AI, and I don’t think that would be ideal. It’s like Fortnite, as soon as you shoot someone a skyscraper spawns.

[short wing]

No building while you have aggro? Only building with a workbench near if you have aggro, ...

[unreal schooner]

I would suggest adjustable areas, as i suggested with resting areas. You don't need to move a workbench, you can just readjust its area differently. Thus you in fact can make it 4x more effective

[brisk turtle]

#suggestions message

A chest with a built-in sign doesn't feel like it would fit valheim's aesthetic, and also add extra stuff to the building menu and / or increase instances on existing chests. I greatly prefer the existing separate chest and separate sign system

[brave glen]

#suggestions message
That sounds cool, but I worry it’d end up walling off a huge amount of the game to people who didn’t look it up and couldn’t figure it out
for example, people who see a wolf painting and think “oh it’s game decor” and then go on their way

[karmic flax]

I feel like sometimes i should remove odin's ♻️ and replace it with the following:

[pure patio]

I can't increase that reaction 😉 I don't do the Nitro thing.

[karmic flax]

Huh, i thought they let people add to it as long as a nitro user had added it. Lame

[pure patio]

Nope. Some of the animated ones, but not the super reactions. Which are different, apparently.

[karmic flax]

Yeah its just flashy effects on regular emotes, animated or no

[bitter lodge]

You didn't get a 4090 just for gaming did you?

[wanton atlas]

why else get one?

put it in your bankvault?

[sly reef]

#suggestions message how about that the battle horns can aggr the mobs in large area or decrease some mobs aim, or even decrease cost of death(i mean here good way to safe your stats in late game praying in this way), Does my thoughts make any sense?

[rose swan]

I’m having a little trouble understanding. So the first part, you’re suggesting a way to increase aggro and/or spawn rate?

[sly reef]

Firstly, sorry for my English, and secondly, I meant to have the mobs run at you from a larger radius. Which can be used as an opportunity to aggr the mob from a safe distance for you and have more time to prepare for battle

[sly reef]

But now i am thinking there more disadvantages, than advantages of this idea, first we cant control agro, but how about that we can called the strongest mob from the group to duel and after defeating him all other mobs would have a decrease in stats?

[rose swan]

No need to apologize, thank you for elaborating! I think it would be neat if there was some sort of consumable that allowed more enemies to spawn. Similar to the battle potion in Terraria, if you’re familiar. Perhaps some sort of mead, or perhaps by offering something (like bones?) to a bonfire or something.

[sly reef]

How about if there would be a challenge horn that can be used to sammon a different location 2 star raid?(or the better horn then the better mobs -> more resources)(start from meadows to the last location) What can be improved to better versions, and can be used once a 2-5 days, but in catch that u only can used it in location of mobs u need, and only in 1 plase per 100-400 meters

[granite geyser]

@zenith fog Jungles don't fit the viking/norse setting at all.

And have been denied as well for that reason.

As well as new biomes in general. The ones that are present are the ones we will ever get

[bitter lodge]

Just for gaming it seems like a waste. The 4090 is a productivity/creation card. Unless you’re gaming on a 8k multi screen set up.

[wanton atlas]

can also be for future proofing 🤔

[rose swan]

That would be interesting- like a raid that you Simon yourself that’s especially tough, I could see that.

[sly reef]

#suggestions message i think gue design is simple and easy to understand, what is better for new players, and if u hate it u can just change texures for it

[rose swan]

#suggestions message I’m skeptical of this because then we’d see even more exploitation of greydwarf automated farms 😅

[granite geyser]

@olive yacht how would that work in solo?

[brisk turtle]

#suggestions message

@olive yacht the devs have multiple times specifically ruled out any kind of multiplayer rowing being added, just so you know 🙂

[olive yacht]

no rowing in solo, just on the rudder as usual

[olive yacht]

i hope someone makes a mod for it then

[sullen ermine]

Yeah, but it doesn't have to be as bad, just a little bit. Small reward for exploration. Details about how it could be done is beyond me though, just thought it would add some extra depth.

[scenic ocean]

So, how would people feel about Foods that grant specific bonus'? Similar to meads, but they take up a food slot. They would still provide some stats, but very little given the 'level' you're at when you can actually make them?
Like a mistlands tier food that gives 30 Health and 10 Stamina, but it gives you +10 Hp regen per tick or something.

They would cross the line into meads kinda hard I get, but they could provide interesting effects given they come at the cost of lowering your overall potential stats. (Since you can't just have 3 big boi foods)

[hybrid ether]

Got an idea for the cartography table on a no map game, have it where you design your own to what you think is going where and you input that and others can see where you have gone roughly and others can add to it with markers, so it will be a blank map with a draw option

[amber wind]

How about using the table opens the map, but in a no map game it is the only place you can view the map.

[finite vapor]

U can just carry it around with u

[hybrid ether]

Well I don’t think the actual map should come up in a no map, just the ability to draw up what you would have on paper on your desk, like you would if you were in the real world mapping roughly where you gone if your stuck in the bush somewhere and it saves on the actual map, you have no curser or anything, just the drawn map on the map

[karmic flax]

Sailing already favors multiplayers

[fluid olive]

Actually an amazing suggestion. If for no other purpose than to write ominous messages on the map table for your friends

[hybrid ether]

Yea, and after you draw your version of the map and hit save, it’s there for the next person too and they can add to it, then can choose to save the combined versions or erase what they think is wrong and correct it then save it, it would have to rely on everyone playing as a team and no one to be a d1ck

[granite geyser]

Interesting. But probably no one would use them considering it would be much more worth using actual food to raise hp/stamina while you still use the meads for the extra bonuses

[scenic ocean]

Fair enough. Probably true even if the foods gave 5% movement speed. Thank you for the feedback. <3

[unkempt raven]

That kind of stuff is great in games where min/maxing is a thing (and the various foodswouldbe ideal in various situations), but it isn't really in Valheim.

[tribal sable]

There's a mod for that 🙂 https://www.nexusmods.com/valheim/mods/2532

[granite geyser]

@slow moss your post was removed for a reason, that channel is for suggestions, not questions.

If you don't want it to be removed then you could at least post it as an actual suggestion.