valheim-chat

[cosmic igloo]

just off topic to the fenris discussion

[elder glen]

Oh ye

it is offtopic fenris set tho

Is it pointless to make a wolf cape if I have maxed lox one

[hidden gorge]

style points

[cosmic igloo]

just cosmetic reasons

[elder glen]

yee it looks fine ngl

[tepid prawn]

I prefer wolf cape with wolf armour and lox cape with padded or root armour for looks

[elder glen]

Ohh, I just had my wolf one on, IT HAS A WOLF HEAD ON

[hidden gorge]

neither are very expensive, it's not like investing into a battleaxe/warhammer. you can max them both out fully without a big hit to your resources

[elder glen]

I only want to be huted again by wolfs now

[cosmic igloo]

ya hunted event is rly nice actually, once u can manage it ofc

[idle storm]

thing is that raw armor becomes progressively less useful as you advance. Seekers will rip you to bits even in maxed padded armor if you don't block and carapace does very little to keep you alive when entering ashlands, so you may as well wear fenris and use the extra speed to just dodge instead. The permanent fire resist for the full set is also quite helpful.

[tepid prawn]

it happens reasonably often because you do not need to be at home for it

[cosmic igloo]

i think on normal raw armor is fine. just from my experience

[tepid prawn]

true especially Flametal + Ashen Cape, with it you can survive Warriors and Asks much better than with carapace armour or anything else

[cosmic igloo]

i mean stuff will still hurt i guess, but i think on normal diff, raw armor at least gives the player some room for error

[round otter]

Use the flesh rippers in unison with the armor set, and you can stun most enemies with the middle attack up until the ashelands. I'm using the fenris set with the askvin cape + an eitr hood and I love it

Just don't get hit though and ur good

[elder glen]

Ohhh making it rn

[idle storm]

Well yeah, you're fine once you have maxed armor & shield for the current biome. My point is that every time you enter a new biome you'll be very squishy as a heavy armor user while fenris users are at 100% defense all the time pretty much, a new biome just gives you a little extra stamina and better dps. It's also much less vulnerable to starred enemies (you're dodging anyway, so the only difference is more hp to chew through).

[round otter]

yessir and once you can get the protection staff it helps accommodate for the low defense stat

[idle storm]

and even a fenris user can generally take a hit or two from non-starred enemies, so it's not like there's no room for error.

[elder glen]

Ohhh great greatt

[cosmic igloo]

ya true

are charred mobs the most boring enemy type in the game?

just every combat engagement is the same and im bored

seekers were cool

[round otter]

what difficulty are you on

[cosmic igloo]

very hard atm

[round otter]

for me the charred enemies are kinda interesting at how they coordinate together lol especially the marksman

[cosmic igloo]

but i play mage so normal/hard/very hard is like the same tbh

[round otter]

whats ur elemental magic level

[cosmic igloo]

47

[round otter]

Yeah that also helps alot lol

[nocturne wolf]

Charred warriors can do something no other enemy can (feint attacks) and the marksmen volley is very unique too, with melee weapons they've one of the more interesting enemy groups to fight

[idle storm]

50 elemental magic is were it starts to get fun

[cosmic igloo]

ya charred warriors are cool with their tricky melee, but the thing ismelee sucks in ashlands so i dont really get to have any cool sword fights anyways

[round otter]

I've been hardstuck sub 35 because of stupid deaths 🗿

[nocturne wolf]

I don't have any problems using melee in ashlands

[round otter]

what do you use for clearing out swarms?

[nocturne wolf]

Friendly fire is very effective. Sword primary and polearm secondary are also useful attacks for groups

[cosmic igloo]

its just too many projectiles, every fight is sooo annoying as melee

[idle storm]

Demolisher also works. It's what i used on the PTB landing so it shouldn't have any issues now.

[nocturne wolf]

Only if you're not dodging well enough

[cosmic igloo]

ya.. just dodge 4head

prolly, and dont forget the twitchers. not only do they have projectiles, but they have greydwarf AI pathing on steroids

good thing that they die in like 2 fireballs at least

[idle storm]

how is greydwarf pathing an advantage for twitchers? It's annoying, sure, but they'd be much more dangerous if they just kept attacking instead of randomly running in circles.

same for fulings really, most of the time i just cut them down before they even try to attack

[nocturne wolf]

For charred it’s probably so you don’t kill them as quickly, so they can throw more skulls before they die.

For fulings it would make more sense to only do it with other enemies nearby. It works for groups but not 1-2 lonely fulings.

[cosmic igloo]

because in group scenarios they run away and then come back to sneak hit you when you focus on other mobs

and it makes it more difficult to hit fireballs

[idle storm]

Which is annoying but not an actual threat.

[nocturne wolf]

Charred twitchers are just trying to be annoying, not dangerous. That’s the warriors and archers job

[cosmic igloo]

annoying things in a combat scenario makes things more difficult which is a threat...

[idle storm]

Imagine if they just circled you at a distance and kept lobbing rocks while backpedaling if you come closer

[cosmic igloo]

ahh ok what is this convo guys :d have you not played ashlands

[nocturne wolf]

No, they need to get closer eventually so melee weapons can be effective against them

[idle storm]

That sounds like a problem the melee player needs to solve, not the enemy AI

[nocturne wolf]

I haven’t played ashlands in a normal playthrough but I’ve done a lot by using a commands character with appropriate equipment and skills during testing

[cosmic igloo]

mostly talking to zock

[idle storm]

i played through once in PTB as a mage and another after release as melee

[cosmic igloo]

anyway so what do you guys think about ashlands relative to other biomes? how does it stack up or how you say

because i value it extremely low

[teal matrix]

I enjoy it

It's frustrating, but I enjoy that because it keeps me engaged

[idle storm]

i like the design and gem weapons (melee and staves), but after you've raided a few fortresses and crafted your stuff there's just nothing to do there except farm food ingredients. There's no point exploring since everything looks the same, the fights all feel the same too

[cosmic igloo]

i enjoyed the high mob density at first but the charred mobs just has worn me down

[vital umbra]

i like the stuff that there was.

[cosmic igloo]

ya i feel the same

[teal matrix]

Given, I've had a whole one foray into the Ashland

[idle storm]

MIstlands on the other hand i explore just because you find really cool spots every now and then. The same for other biomes. Ashlands lacks that and it's a shame imo

[vital umbra]

I'm a fan of some of the things in the biome

[cosmic igloo]

mistlands is extremely beautiful but the rocky mountains everywhere is annoying

spacebar simulator

[idle storm]

Once you get a feather cape i don't think it's an issue. Parkouring around the rock spires is actually kinda fun for me.

[nocturne wolf]

Combat is my favourite part of valheim (and valheim has my favourite combat) so I’m very happy to have a biome where the fighting never ends

[cosmic igloo]

it helps.. but certainly still an issue, you still have to climb up those mountains

even mountains is less severe on the climbing thing

[hazy verge]

Kinda wish we had invasions enabled for when we hit Ashlands. Kinda sad I wasn’t there when the server was made to persuade them

[azure yacht]

What?

[vital umbra]

green

[vocal rivet]

They had raids turned off when they reached Ashlands.

[elder glen]

Oki guys how about this, wolf skewer + eyescream + serpent stew

[cosmic igloo]

if you're using fenris then just go 2x stam 1x health imo

[elder glen]

and try to never take hits?

[cosmic igloo]

ya

[elder glen]

W

[cosmic igloo]

its a better way to play anyway, on harder difficulties u cant really ever afford to take hits

so better to get used to it

[elder glen]

I could also be able to run

tactical escapes will be available
-# don't mind the spelling

[cosmic igloo]

ya

[elder glen]

W

[nocturne wolf]

Armor doesn’t matter, do this always
Or now with feasts, a perfect balance is possible

[tacit crystal]

I usually mix some armor during Mountain/Plains phase: Fenris legs, heavy helmet and either heavy, Fenris or Root chest (depending on situation).

[vital umbra]

i wear whatever is newly available in a biome and stick to progression even if it hurts 😎

[nocturne wolf]

I always use new armor too. The only armor I’d want to keep through biomes is fenris but the one time I tried making it I had awful luck and haven’t tried again since.

Although I will be trying in the playthrough I started recently for the bog witch

[vital umbra]

i love that a small update convinced all of us to play the entire fucking game over again 🥴

[cosmic igloo]

same

[nocturne wolf]

I try to start over with every update. If I haven’t played a game for a while, I prefer to start a new save.

[cosmic igloo]

full fenris in ashlands until i get mage set + vine staff

[tacit crystal]

From sick looking hood fella to even sicker looking hood fella, amirite?

[cosmic igloo]

ya :D

[kind pendant]

I love using fenris, but it also hurts to just leave all those sick armors behind 😔 I’ll try doing a mix, but fenris doesn’t always looks good with other armor pieces

[gray sand]

Looks > Stats

Food > Armor

[nocturne wolf]

Jumping > Rolling

[gray sand]

And food enables more jumping.

[vital umbra]

correct

imagine caring about pierce resistance when the sacrifice you make is looking like a hobo.

[gray sand]

Imagine caring about armor resistance when you're either blocking or jumping, making your armor pointless 😉

Or just... Bonemass 😄

[vital umbra]

yeahh if like deathsquitos and seekers or whatever causes you so many problems just stick to farming 🫢

#1024264966712340510 🧡

fascinating pfp

i see

[wintry valve]

speaking of which, is resistance applied before or after armor?

[gray sand]

Before.

It is Damage Reduction
It is not Reduced Damage Taken

[wintry valve]

You are talking about a formula?

[gray sand]

Just terms in general that can both apply to "Resistance"

DR happens before armor (what Valheim does)
RDT happens after.

[kind pendant]

I just know there will be those few times you will get hit, but if I have fenris?? I really shouldn’t worry no more, or just make some sick looks

[wintry valve]

Wait I just noticed something. I was browsing the wiki, and I see that Lord Reto is basically just a two star charred warrior?

[gray sand]

Make sick looks.

[wintry valve]

Well... "just" a 2 star. He seems to have a lot of health for just that.

My point is, I cant find a two star warrior roaming around?

[kind pendant]

Fenris armor looks pretty sick already.. wonder if I can make anything cooler

[wintry valve]

nvm, we can...

[kind pendant]

Yeah very rare though, if I am right, I’ve never seen one through any playthrough

[wintry valve]

But if he act just like any charred warrior, he seems "easy"

[kind pendant]

Hell nah none of that is easy when they deal like 310 damage in one hit..

[lone topaz]

Full flametal gear that 2 star warrior does 100+ health with stagger lol not fun

[wintry valve]

yeah but I can kind of fight them relatively well without getting hit at all

[nocturne wolf]

He has the same move set but much higher stats than a charred warrior, but because of that he’s very easy

[wintry valve]

unless he does funny stuff like new powers or summoning monsters, I think its just a question of patience

does he walk faster?

[nocturne wolf]

You don’t even need to worry about other enemies while fighting him. It’s just a 1v1 against a blue charred warrior

[wintry valve]

dang

[lone topaz]

Same exact patterns as the normal charred

[wintry valve]

just tickle him with crossbows or something

[lone topaz]

Confined in a small cave

[nocturne wolf]

I used melee weapons the same way I do against a red charred warrior

[wintry valve]

how small we talking?

[nocturne wolf]

Roughly the size of a troll cave maybe? But a little more rounded? It’s been a while idk

[lone topaz]

And shorter i think

[wintry valve]

might be a problem when

[lone topaz]

We had 6 people fighting him and it was cramped in there to say the least lol

[nocturne wolf]

If you can kill charred warriors without taking a hit, you can kill Lord Reto

Just don’t even try to block or parry unless you have a bubble

[wintry valve]

yeah but its kind of inconsistent, the way I currently do it, but I do not use a "proper" weapon

I use the mistwalker

[hidden gorge]

... which is not "proper" how?

[lone topaz]

Honestly thats better than other options

[wintry valve]

its too short

[nocturne wolf]

I bait an attack, sprint jump back, and sprint forwards while coming back down to hit with a secondary attack. Repeat this until the bones aren’t living anymore.

[wintry valve]

People suggested to use a polearm

[nocturne wolf]

Mistwalker and silver sword are both great options for charred warriors

[lone topaz]

Ashlands undead in general ^

[wintry valve]

Oh it works really well. Its just that sometime a one star charred warrior lands a hit on me because it decided to not do a feint or something and I do not like that

[nocturne wolf]

Try to dodge in a way that avoids both possible attacks

[wintry valve]

Well... yeah

[vital umbra]

try not taking damage

[wintry valve]

These days I mostly just default to crossbow. I just made a ripper too.

[nocturne wolf]

I wish they had more than sound to let us know if they were feinting or not

[wintry valve]

Also I just made a whole flametal armor. I dont have the cape yet.

[nocturne wolf]

You don’t need it, feather cape is better
Unless you want to get hit (why?)

[wintry valve]

I dunno, 16 defense sounds neat

[lone topaz]

Go for speed vs Reto he will pretty much one shot you regardless of armour

[wintry valve]

I mean I want to make everything. Ill choose after what I want to use.

[cosmic igloo]

what difficulty u playing ? @wintry valve

[wintry valve]

normal

[cosmic igloo]

ah ya flametal armor is ok then

[wintry valve]

Ive never been a fan of when games makes enemies hit harder to simulate difficulty

I come from an era where harder means more baddies. THAT was fun

But then again I had a rocket launcher

[lone topaz]

More diversity of ai movements is fun to but just scaling health and tankiness is not fun to play harder in agreed

[cosmic igloo]

just forces u to dodge stuff more, which is the difficulty

[wintry valve]

I think doing that makes some features gradually more obsolete.

[vital umbra]

i love being healthy and tanky

[wintry valve]

Like, one of my main issue in Elden Ring is how much armour doesnt matter, so much everything one shot you, by the end. Just don't get hit.

I think its more interesting to have different approaches to a posed problem in a video game. If the solution is "lol just roll" like I heard all too often, its not interesting.

[cosmic igloo]

i hear ya. armor should serve a purpose. maybe buff it and also make it more expensive

[wintry valve]

So, if I were to play this game on hard, I understand that the big awesome flametal armor is kind of useless

[azure yacht]

Also encourages to play differently rather than going for the exact same tactic you used 100 times before but are now complaining "bruh game too repetitive".

If enemies hit too hard now, then switch to a different playstyle focused on movement and dodging.

But complaining about issues is much easier than thinking on ways to solve them

[wintry valve]

man. I hate when I type the exact opposite of what I mean to say. French moment, I guess

[vital umbra]

I dont wanna be forced to switch playstyles ever lol

[shy marlin]

oh boy

[azure yacht]

Then... don't play the difficulty mode that makes you do that...

[vital umbra]

The only reason i would want to is to make things new for myself on purpose.

[wintry valve]

Im just lamenting that there are better ways to do difficulty.

[vital umbra]

"difficulty mode that makes you do that"?

[azure yacht]

You said that as if the game will automatically and unavoidably change the difficulty at a certain moment

[wintry valve]

me?

[vital umbra]

I don't quite follow, Terrarias calamity mod has revengeance mode then death mode then infernum mode, each of them a huge jump in difficulty, and each of them you can be a tanky melee user.

stat bloats for difficulty is a boring idea

[azure yacht]

Terraria is also very extremely different from valheim...

[wintry valve]

I think you should rephrase that

[vital umbra]

good ideas are good ideas and bad ideas are bad ideas

✨

[azure yacht]

Like, literally the entire development of the game and the mod are different, and that's just mentioning the fact that terraria is 2D and makes pathfinding easier

[hidden gorge]

it's not valheim, its valheeiiiiiim

[azure yacht]

Lol I see it. Fixed

[vital umbra]

i also found terrarias calamity mod to be exponentially more difficult than valheim in all aspects, and i still liked it, because it was creative bullet hells and wacky ai, not just big numbers.

I don't really know what we're talking about i inserted myself into something on-going, I only noticed something i got caught up on, That being something about being forced to change playstyles.

[azure yacht]

Because the game allows it to be done that way.

You are expecting too much from valheim if you think it can have too much complexity

[vital umbra]

There is no changing playstyles in terraria, You choose a class and you stick with it and if you are bad you get good with that playstyle and then it works.

[azure yacht]

You will be disappointed if you're expecting DS levels of combat and boss fights.

[vital umbra]

the charred warrior is already more interesting than like most enemies that are just fast and hit hard, but even when they get starred or say lord reto its just kinda silly.

[wintry valve]

Im actually enjoying most of the fights.

[azure yacht]

Because the devs designed it that way

Valheim devs designed it this way

🤷

[wintry valve]

Which is a step above DS and the like

[hidden gorge]

Don't Starve has similar levels of combat and fights -- but it took me a moment to realize you were talking about a different game 😦 (oops wrong reply)

[azure yacht]

Yes, and that's the maximum amount of complexity we can have.

But seem like people are expecting bosses to go full elden ring demi gods

[wintry valve]

I dont like this mentality. Stuff can be changed, even the devs change stuff they made in this game semi regularly. It can be improved upon.

[cobalt canyon]

35 seeker meats worth of seekers in one mine

[vital umbra]

i don't remember how it used to work but wasn't health and blocking like overhauled awhile back.

[cobalt canyon]

I nearly broke my frostner

[idle spoke]

Dont starve is really hard game tbh

i dont find it interesting at all

[azure yacht]

I have been expecting a raids overhaul and it's one of the earliest features in the game.

Take a look at how they still are after almost four years and two major biomes.

People need to learn how to manage expectations

[vital umbra]

it was like my childhood game on steam, that and starbound.

[vital umbra]

Development cycle has focuses, Not everything can happen in a short amount of time, Its not like thats not going to happen, Other things clearly have been updated and thats all there is to that.

[hidden gorge]

but you like valheim? which is like the same game but 3d?

[azure yacht]

Draugrs and skeletons are among the first enemies in the game, both have the exact same attack animation

[idle spoke]

valheim is nowhere the same game as dont starve?

[vital umbra]

I don't know how it works with 1.0 being the end all be all update but i felt like making it so all the content is there (biomes wise) and then polishing it is the way to go.

[hidden gorge]

graphics wise, but game loops, exploration, mobs, bosses, etc. are quite similar

[cobalt canyon]

Wait wait wait, everyone hold up -

When you say DS, do you mean Don't Starve or Dark Souls?

[vital umbra]

Valheim already is like dark souls lmao, Whats anyone talking about, Theres dodge rolls and big boss fights.

[cobalt canyon]

(Both are very applicable here)

[azure yacht]

I'm aware.

But that just means they will never give any focus on certain features because of that.

Again, raids are among the earliest features. And they have never being touched beyond just adding more

I'm hoping they will overhaul events, but expecting they will not

[idle spoke]

Dont starve is much harder, much less begginer friendly and has nothing to do with valheim other than being survival game which doesnt even have the same system of food and etc
So each survival game by your logics is the same if its just a survival game

And yes i dislike dont starve completely

[vital umbra]

Its dark souls skyrim minecraft, end of sentence.

green

[azure yacht]

Heh, Just noticed the same acronym

I meant Dark souls, as in, the dark souls series

[idle spoke]

I would equal Valheim to Terraria + Minecraft child with different graphics

[vital umbra]

well it may have more bosses than minecraft but not nearly as many as terraria

[azure yacht]

DS series is solely focused on combat and being an action RPG.

Valheim only has combat as an important feature but not the focus as you have many other things to do such as building and farming

[cobalt canyon]

I build big box and am done with building I come here for exploration and combat

[hidden gorge]

no, there are differences between survival games. Don't Starve has different food and graphics, yes -- but it has many more similarities than differences.

Other types of survival games are very much different, like Conan/ARK/Icarus are very much practically the same game which I would classify as a different sort of "survival" altogether (survival-lite or -esque)

[vital umbra]

I really try to not care about building but i can't help it....i want my shack to be cozy..

I don't know what this dialogue became the only point i wanted to make is the idea of forcing a playstyle is kinda ass

[vital umbra]

....but the game doesn't really do that anyways? so i don't know what brought this up

I still did tanky warrior in the ashlands and against fader, less so against reto but i still have bonemass

[hidden gorge]

have you played don't starve though? that is what I'm arguing is much more similar to valheim, and I thought it curious that someone else views it so differently

[vital umbra]

i have 500 hours in dont starve and i see no similarities 😎

[idle spoke]

I am still unable to see how its simular to valheim in any way

[vital umbra]

I can see the fact that you have to eat food, fight, and explore being similar.

[idle spoke]

You dont have to eat food in valheim

you dont starve even

[vocal rivet]

You'd be stupid not to.

[cobalt canyon]

You kinda really do though

[vital umbra]

you kinda do, wether you like it or not, try playing the game with no food.

fight fader with 50 stamina, go ahead.

[cobalt canyon]

lulz

[idle spoke]

You are not forced to as in Dont starve thats the point

Hypothetically you can pass the game without eating food

[hidden gorge]

starving is quite a rare form of death in don't starve, believe it or not

[vital umbra]

you are forced to in valheim if you don't want to suck ass and ragequit 🤣

[vocal rivet]

Your point is that it's a completely different game? Gotcha.

[idle spoke]

Yes

[vital umbra]

I would feel forced to eat food in valheim by like....the swamp atleast...

[cobalt canyon]

Nah I ain't that stupid (I tried to punch fader with bare fists for an hour, at least I had cooked meat)

(Side note, you don't even outpace his health regen)

[vocal rivet]

Looking forward to Squirrel Nutkins' no-food run.

[vital umbra]

I would say that if an option is viable in like 5% of scenarios you're pretty much forced to, You can kill the moonlord in terraria with a fucking lawnmower and no weapons....but i don't even know how someone accomplished that.

[shy marlin]

No food run is completely doable and honestly wouldn't be that bad on normal

[vital umbra]

breh

[cobalt canyon]

Yea? try it....

[vital umbra]

I would die i think somewhere in the range of 6437 times.

[shy marlin]

Already kind of have

[cobalt canyon]

under 30 deaths?

[vital umbra]

did you also have a peg-leg and use a cloth whip to attack enemies

[cobalt canyon]

And what's "kind of"

[hidden gorge]

is the exploration in valheim not for gathering resources as well?

[shy marlin]

That playthrough was at the plains with 0 deaths before I quit playing it so

[vital umbra]

if you weren't using the keyboard with your feet it doesn't count

[shy marlin]

Funny joke except I actually have rheumatoid arthritis and do play valheim with my feet + hands so 🙂

[vital umbra]

🫨

[cobalt canyon]

Ok so if you quit playing it....is it still "unnecessary" to eat food

[vital umbra]

I just don't know if thats a troll or way too convenient

[shy marlin]

No I'm not joking I actually have three pedals, one is for the blocking input, normal attack and special attack input.

[keen cliff]

that's pretty awesome actualy

[vital umbra]

Alright it doesn't count if you're not turned away from the screen and looking at it through a mirror with the sound muted and one eye blindfolded and using a trackball with your elbows

[cobalt canyon]

• locked at 30 fps

[vital umbra]

.... I.E me when i was playing on my main pc

[gray sand]

Lock it at 31 fps just for funzies 😛

[vital umbra]

that was most of my experience with valheim, probably 800 hours of 1200 hours until i got a gaming laptop

18-28 fps on medium settings

and when a friend lent me an old dell laptop to play with him while at his house i got 3-7 fps 😍

[tepid prawn]

Morgen are sooooo much fun! Best thing ever

[errant knoll]

Tbh my build tend to be quite blocky, this is no different, however my plan is to make a spire (black marble basement, grausten 2 floors wood 2 floors), and then expand downward and outwards from there since the build is right at the top of a mountain.

So the lower parts should absolutely never have a support problem, if the top is supported fine

[vital umbra]

hi siren

[errant knoll]

But the spire is the only thing I'm actually making at the moment, the rest of it will be for later if I feel like it

And I really don't wanna use console commands for it lol

[errant knoll]

Hello! How's your day been?

[hidden gorge]

spires are cool. the only problem is stairs feel terrible to use, and ramps take up so much space

[vital umbra]

entropic, way too little daylight, winter kinda lame for that.

[errant knoll]

Yeah this is my first real "form over function" build

Moving here is going to be inefficient for actually the playing the game but the builds not made for that, I already have my meadows base which looks horrible as hell but let's ms play efficiently

By the way is there any particular reason we don't have 1m length roofing yet?

Clipping some of these designs is just so horrible and no way to get it both even and nice

[gray sand]

Because the build menu is already super saturated with options and navigating it isn't that easy on consoles. So adding even more stuff to it would hurt that portion of the playerbase.

[vital umbra]

well thats too bad cuz theres going to be more building anyways 🫠

[hidden gorge]

iirc mods exist already which expand building significantly

[errant knoll]

I'm a console player and don't mind that, at all

[vital umbra]

based

[gray sand]

And if you definitively spoke on behalf of 100% of all console players that would be enough for the devs to add an assload more building pieces.

But you do not 🤷‍♂️

[vital umbra]

by that logic just remove building or something

more does = better in this regard.

if you don't want to go through the effort of scrolling to the options then just don't..?...

and those who want them can be left actually happy.

[errant knoll]

Why is it that every time we talk yo7 always seem so pissed off at me?

Any thing I personally don't like about the game the reasons are never good enough.

I think the game could benefit from a thing, there's always a reason why it's bad.

You know defending the game at every single turn isn't going to get one of the developers to date you, right?

[vital umbra]

🫢

[errant knoll]

There's allowed to be things that can be improved

[hidden gorge]

this is not a proper argument for a sub-par UI

[gray sand]

Well ok then...

[vital umbra]

it can seem like that with some people that just want 0 things to be changed sometimes by the way they talk 🥴

like someone arguing against auroras in the deep north yesterday

[gray sand]

Why is it that every time we talk yo7 always seem so pissed off at me?

Any thing I personally don't like about the game the reasons are never good enough.

I think the game could benefit from a thing, there's always a reason why it's bad.

This, I would have replied to.

You know defending the game at every single turn isn't going to get one of the developers to date you, right?

This, is "Hi, I'm 12 and this is the only burn I know."

[vital umbra]

really makes you think doesn't it

[mental wren]

Such passionate gamers

[vital umbra]

I am fine with the ui and fine with the building menu and fine with getting more build pieces and i want more build pieces, whoever somehow disagrees with everything i feel like should be given the option to not have to deal with those things i guess? but the games quality shouldn't be sacrificed to a minimalistic state.

[hidden gorge]

there are lots of "opportunities" to improve the building UI

[vital umbra]

I couldn't actually muster up a single idea myself or the want for it so i'd have to be enlightened 😆

[hidden gorge]

which would allow for better accessibility into a richer set of building options

[gray sand]

Change all slots to bestagons instead of squares 😛

[vital umbra]

what the fuck is a bestagon

[hidden gorge]

hexagon

[vital umbra]

what

what does bestagon mean then

[gray sand]

Type "bestagon" into google and tell me the top result 🙂

[hidden gorge]

you can lead a horse to water...

[vital umbra]

uhhhhhhhhh

okay then

[gray sand]

Is that the Obi-Ron version of ALLLLLLLLLLLLL-righty then?

[errant knoll]

Not 12, it's a genuine question.

Every time anyone has a single issue with the game that I see, you're always defending it to the death, and the one current feature (at the time) you didn't defend to the death was one developers were already confirmed changing.

[gray sand]

And that leads to "They aren't going to date you!".... how exactly?

[errant knoll]

Because no game is perfect, it comes across very much as sycophantic towards the creators

[gray sand]

Oh right... it doesn't lead there... by any thinkable conversation norm that any grown person would ever use.

[earnest dust]

Does anyone else day 1 just build long paths nowhere with the hoe?

[teal matrix]

Can't say I do

[gray sand]

Paths, yes.
Paths to nowhere, no.

[earnest dust]

Missing out

Paths nowhere are so peak. I can just take a stroll

[hidden gorge]

don't need to make a path for that

[earnest dust]

You do

[teal matrix]

Can do the same without a path tbf

[earnest dust]

Gotta find my way back

[teal matrix]

On a no map play that makes more sense

[gray sand]

My "mindless timesink" activity is clearing out all the twig trees that make forests harder to sprint through.

[earnest dust]

I do that cause I'm too lazy to chop down trees

[teal matrix]

I just farm if I'm going for mindless

[idle storm]

i do sunken crypts

[gray sand]

How does that work? Plant... stand still for 3 days?

[teal matrix]

Plant everything, read manga/webtoons, harvest, repeat.

[gray sand]

Yeah that's afk-ing, not doing a mindless activity in the game.

[teal matrix]

Yet it's still a mindless timesink

We never specified "in-game"

[gray sand]

My "mindless timesink" ->activity<-

[hidden gorge]

it's inherently implied

[idle storm]

it's the Valheim chat

kinda obvious what's being talked about

[gray sand]

afk-ing is a passivity, not an activity 😉

Otherwise I would have just said my mindless timesink is "sleeping irl" 😄

[teal matrix]

Right, but I'm still at my controller. I don't walk away from it.

It's right there in my lap when it's time to harvest or respond to a raid 🤷‍♂️

[hidden gorge]

you might be missing the point of what an "activity" is

not doing anything is not it

[teal matrix]

Likely, doesn't make what im doing less of a timesink though.

[idle storm]

i mean reading manga is an activity. It's just not playing Valheim.

[earnest dust]

Read murim login gang

[teal matrix]

Especially since I am still doing things in game, just with space in the middle

[idle storm]

also are we really having a multi-page argument over the exact definiton of being afk? 🤣

[hidden gorge]

I mean... the topic is mindless timesinks... I think its appropriate

[teal matrix]

Nah, it's a multi page discussion over what constitutes as a "mindless timesink" iirc

[vital umbra]

This.

[vocal rivet]

Are you new?

[lunar sapphire]

Hey guys, please welcome Jen to the scene, she’s new 👍

Here’s the chats, over here is the cafeteria, and over there is the boss fight televisions. Streaming player boss fights 24/7

(Not an official new person, just playing on what Derek said “are you new?”

[gray sand]

Hello Jen!

[hidden gorge]

hey, why wasn't I invited to the cafeteria?

[lunar sapphire]

New people only?

Smh

[teal matrix]

Smell to much like crawfish

[hidden gorge]

that's fair... dunno what I was expecting looking like this

[teal matrix]

Gotta spruce it up, lil hat or somethin

[hidden gorge]

a sombrero would look quite spiffy

[teal matrix]

Dapper even if you add a poncho.

[calm scroll]

hi guys

[limpid void]

my instances is at 38000

[vital umbra]

i found a group of groupers

i reaaaallly wish there was an anchor system because this trying to slow down is so ass

[hidden gorge]

jump out of the boat

[gray sand]

Leaving the boat brings it to an immediate stop. So yeah, just jump out.

[vital umbra]

it is like impossible to catch these fuckers without a stamina potion

[gray sand]

Nah, just gotta raise the skill.

[vital umbra]

veeeeeery veeeeeery slowwwwlyyyy

it hasn't leveled up once this whole time

are herring still useless

[gray sand]

They turn into Raw Fish like everything else?

[tepid prawn]

trollfish is where its at rn, such a good mead

[vital umbra]

so for the effort its worth, generally useless.

[gray sand]

Troll and Angler are the top 2 fish, yeah.

[vital umbra]

if the goal is raw fish perch and pike are 10x more viable.

[tepid prawn]

yeah only worth for the hat

[vital umbra]

it took me longer to even find a herring than any other fish so far....i mean except tetra, no fucking idea.

[tepid prawn]

thats the general consensus, they are hardest to find apart from tetra

[vital umbra]

i straight up skipped fish wraps like every prior playthrough but now it seems i should be levelling fishing...

[tepid prawn]

angler is great stam food, also the trollfish, apart from those 2 its just: Do you want the hat or not? imho

[vital umbra]

of course i do, i want every single thing in the game bc ego.

🧡

[tepid prawn]

then you gotta catch I think like 7 herring and 7 tetra and the others and get fish wraps as a bonus along the way

[vital umbra]

(i don't know its that exactly, i'm a completionist at heart)

holy fuck anti sting takes 3 groupers....bruh i was all happy that i got 5 to make a stack 😾

i know i'm never even gonna use this silly potion but man

[tepid prawn]

I mean, kill 2 abominations and you have unlimited time repellent, root chest

I think its great for helping people in bronze recover their corpse etc

[vital umbra]

i tanked a deathsquito while wearing clothes for fishing purely because of a padded leggings, it would take 4ish hits for one to kill me.

[nimble aurora]

and we all know how useful and simple to obtain that is

[tepid prawn]

+20 swim and fishing is cool though

[vital umbra]

in terms of fishing that sounds big actually

[tepid prawn]

And don’t forget how pretty it is

[vital umbra]

once i first picked up a fishing rod i noticed a big difference between level 0 and level 15

[nimble aurora]

true, but having to go to both ends of the world is kinda painful

plus nothern salmon take so much stamina

[tepid prawn]

I often buiild a rainproof meadows island base that requires swimming haha

Not that you can get it at that age

[nimble aurora]

true

[vital umbra]

imma make a deep north base just to see what happens when it comes out.

[nimble aurora]

…ever seen what happens to buildings during a sinkhole

[tepid prawn]

But I’m running a 2 server community where you’re allowed to bring that across if ya want so that’s fun

[nimble aurora]

oh cool u got any spots left?

[tepid prawn]

Did that with Ashlands but actually still haven’t gone through that portal haha

[nimble aurora]

you’ll probably fall straight into a bonemaw’s mouth lmao

[tepid prawn]

Yes see #1024264966712340510 but it’s based in Australia haha

[nimble aurora]

thats all good, i happen to also be based in australia

sydney servers i assume

[tepid prawn]

Yep

[nimble aurora]

ah im in qld thats fine

ill check it out 👍

[vital umbra]

13 fish in a day, thats not horrible.

[keen cliff]

well that's interesting. the map button on my xbox controller stopped working. restarting game to see if that helps. the computer is certainly recognizing the button press

i think i saw someone with this bug before..

[rustic plume]

is the bog witch patch available already on pc xbox app?

[gray sand]

It's been available for weeks.

[vital umbra]

any word on the mistlands update

[gray sand]

They are working on Hearth and Home, then Mistlands.

[vital umbra]

hearth and home, sounds stupid, i want mistlands now, bad devs.

[candid shale]

Fishing hatttttt!!!!!

[placid copper]

How good can the crystal battleaxe be? Asking because I like two handed/dual wielding weapons and it's the only two handed battle axe. The dual wielding one is like endgame

[shy marlin]

The crystal battle axe is the best tree chopper if you can hit 2 or more things 🙂 that's about as good as it gets for the CBA

The heavy reduction on movement speed and slow attacks holds it back massively

[placid copper]

To be fair I love the two handed hammers so...

Slowness doesn't really bother me all that much. Also I'm a light armor user so

[odd helm]

it's pretty, it can parry pretty well

secondary staggers pretty quickly

it's not an endgame axe but it is quite good

did I mention it's pretty

[placid copper]

I'm just wondering how long it can go for.

Until the berserkir's obviously.

or would I have to swap to black metal fast

[odd helm]

considering jotun bane is kinda meh in mistlands honestly I don't see why you wouldn't still use it throughout, if you enjoy it

as long as you get used to the windup speed of the first attack it's not bad~

that said, the blackmetal atgeir and the himminafl are both excellent polearms

[placid copper]

I definitely plan to swap to berserkir's tho cause dual wielding axes as a viking is awesome.

[odd helm]

fair enough~

[peak lark]

on the vs battles wiki where would valheim odin be placed?

[placid copper]

So it's one of those weapons where at max upgrade even into endgame it could probably do okay.

Even if it's not the best.

[wintry valve]

is valheim prone to create memory management issues?

[rain flare]

Not that I know of

[placid copper]

What's the best food combo for light armor users? Mostly hp or mostly stamina? Or a mix of both?

[plush umbra]

-# funnily enough upgrades don't even increase its poison damage, only slash, it really is just the mistlands' unfortunate joke weapon in every way

[gray sand]

Bad joke.

[hidden gorge]

the poison axe? yeah it's awful. even if I were doing an axe only run I'd skip it

[placid copper]

I was talking about crystal battle axe

[plush umbra]

oh oops

it has its niche
though i wish there were more after it

[gray sand]

If the first attack on battle axes was like.. 0.2s faster I would love them.

[placid copper]

I personally love them. Special attack, run up, swing

instant crit

[plush umbra]

i stand by that that's an interesting thing to set them apart from other weapons, coupled with how fast the two swings after that one are

[placid copper]

also special attack can snuff out attacks so hard

[gray sand]

You lost me at having to run after attacking. #ReasonsIHateFrostner

[plush umbra]

-# smh

[placid copper]

Sounds like you don't play fighting games

[gray sand]

-# HoldingYourHeadStill

[gray sand]

That's a leap and bound...

[plush umbra]

-# sing mh harder

[hidden gorge]

I like that it's different, but the initial swing is way too slow to be useful, especially when fighting multiple enemies, which is otherwise what the wide swing would be perfect for

[gray sand]

-# Calls Scarlet and says "Plz help, Winter is damaging her neck from the shaking!"

[placid copper]

So many fighting game strategies involve tech chasing or catching people after a knockback or what-not

I'm used to this

[plush umbra]

well enemies don't just teleport to you, there's usually a pretty long period of time in which they run up to you while you either wait for them or walk up to them, which is almost always long enough to start that combo up

[hidden gorge]

they don't all approach simultaneously

[plush umbra]

but by swing 3 there's a good chance you're hitting more than one, and that's where most of your damage is

• you can kite them in circles to bunch them up

[hidden gorge]

again, kinda defeats the purpose of the wide arc

[plush umbra]

i've had it come in handy quite a few times for how little i've used it, compared to other weapons

[hidden gorge]

yeah you certainly can get lucky, but its too long of a windup to be reliable imo

[placid copper]

Look I'm just wondering how late I could get away with using this thing lmao

[placid copper]

As someone who used 2 handed hammers for the longest time, this is nothing

[plush umbra]

and i'm saying it's a decent pick if your playstyle works well with it.
we had someone here not long ago who swore by it in ashlands

[placid copper]

How'd they hold up?

[plush umbra]

supposedly well, and i can see that working out

[hidden gorge]

not a masochist, sorry

[plush umbra]

they were anticipating the enemy's approach to hit them with the juiciest swing and using the secondary for knockback to create distance.
with how slow ||charreds|| walk, that honestly sounds like a very manageable way to fight them

[reef widget]

Been playing a single player world up to swamp now, taking it easy. I feel like telling here that I appreciate the balance of the game. ⚖️ I'm no coward when a raid come to me, but I'm rewarded for being cautious (meaning not dying).

[dark dirge]

is 450 weight maxed?

[shy marlin]

No

You can get some temp buffs to increase it.

[placid copper]

what is the best light armor? I know Fenris and like Ask are talked about a lot.

[gray sand]

300 base
450 with belt
700 with belt + pot?

[plush umbra]

then there's fader's power and corpse run

[shy marlin]

Fader buff

Yup 👍

[gray sand]

-# This is where you add the numbers I missed so we have the full list 😛

[plush umbra]

-# i forgot them, i think one of them wasn't 150, but corpse run definitely is 150

[shy marlin]

Fader is +300

And 10%? movement speed

So max is 1k realistically but 1.150k is highest possible

[gray sand]

Nice.

[placid copper]

So, uh...

What IS the best? Lol

[gray sand]

Ask if you're using stuff that swings fast.
Else, Fenris.

[placid copper]

So basically since I'm using big axe, fenris

[gray sand]

Yup.

[placid copper]

It's weird to me that gear from the MOUNTAINS is unironically the best for so long but eh.

not against it.

[gray sand]

Oh, the Frostner cultists find it BiS in the Ashlands 😛

[placid copper]

Eh? What's BiS?

Lol

[gray sand]

Fighter games don't have Best in Slot? 😏

[placid copper]

Eh, some do. But I never heard someone call it BIS

[vital umbra]

mistwalker still better

[placid copper]

What is the best way to train Axe EXP without risking getting myself stomped into the floor? Cause I'm at the mountain stage rn. I have max troll hide with a max root harnesk chestpiece so mountains aren't TOTALLY safe yet. (I'm waiting to get Fenris armor cause I like light armor.)

[gray sand]

Bonemass.

[placid copper]

Isn't he not weak to axes tho?

[gray sand]

Build like 10 Stone Axes and go whack him.

[placid copper]

I thought he's only weak to blunt

[gray sand]

Weak is BAD when leveling. You want RESISTANT.

MORE HITS = Leveling.

[placid copper]

Ooooh that's fair.

[placid copper]

Question though. Don't you think I should use something a bit better than stone in case he starts wrecking my crap? Lol. (I'm not very good at the game.)

Well tbf I do have my crystal battle axe

[gray sand]

No.
Just bring your highest mace for when you want the fight to end and kill him with that.

[dark dirge]

where is the most ideal location for base we are at iron age already still staying at starting location do we stay atstarting location or move?

[placid copper]

So my level 3 iron one.

[gray sand]

Yup.

[placid copper]

Depends. Do you have taking items through portals on?

It's in the modifiers.

[dark dirge]

yea we can take items through portal

[placid copper]

Like ores and stuff?

[dark dirge]

yes

[placid copper]

Ok then, honestly you can just stay where you're at. You'll only need a small base in the ||plains|| for farming there and I THINK in the ||ashlands||?

everything else can be grown in the meadows and stuff so.

Basically don't worry too much about making full on bases.

Most you'll have to do is make a farm in I think like two specific biomes to get crops

[placid copper]

Also someone fact check me on this

I could be wrong but I think only 2 biomes require a base unless you don't have taking ores through portals on

[dark dirge]

thanks bossman

[placid copper]

Yeah I think it's just 2 biomes. Someone who's more aquainted with the mechanics of that will have to fact check me

[fossil oar]

mushrooms need mistlands iirc

[placid copper]

Wait I thought farming mushrooms was a mod?

[fossil oar]

the mistlands specific mushrooms

[placid copper]

Ooooh.

[fossil oar]

red/yellow ones yes

[placid copper]

Ok so basically it's like, the last 3 biomes that need a base at.

The rest you should be fine without one.

You don't even need like, a full fledged base.

Just like a small hut with a protected farm.

[dark dirge]

ok thanks bossman i tell this to my fren

[vital umbra]

Insert gif of billy butcher "that was diabolical"....me testing the berserkir mead on a fuling village..

another W for pure warriors

[tiny tiger]

this is only a theory and its based on my personal experience with the game as I cant find any info regarding this on the wiki, but do copper and tin ores in black forests become more common the further from the centre of the world you are? Ive heard that there is a feature like this with crypts where crypts further from world centre tend to be bigger on average and im wondering if ore frequency is also the case

[solemn matrix]

@tiny tiger I don't believe so, I find just as much throughout black forest. Pretty sure it's random generation based from seed. Regarding the algorithm for crypt. Perhaps.

[placid copper]

So, your strategy KINDA worked, but uh... I did manage to die to him 😅

Only once luckily but I did get a lot of axe exp so

I think I'm just too vulnerable to reliably do that trick rn

[gray sand]

But you just... roll. And never take damage.

[placid copper]

I'm a parry person so.

[gray sand]

Yes, but parrying bosses is useless.

[placid copper]

Worked for Bonemass. Until I missed one too many but we don't talk about that.

[gray sand]

It working doesn't make it useful 😉

It is a waste of stamina.
Bosses cannot be staggered.
Rolling costs less stamina than parrying and avoids all damage.

[tiny tiger]

My plan worked! Until it didn’t

[placid copper]

Okay but counterpoint. He stopped attacking for a HOT minute when I parried him.

[gray sand]

Bosses = Roll or Jump
Everything that is not a boss = Parry

[placid copper]

Still worked. I killed him and got a trophy

[gray sand]

He has long pauses between attacks regardless.

[placid copper]

So hey.

[tiny tiger]

Well that’s all that matters in the end if he’s dead you win

[placid copper]

Having Frostner in my back pocket for when stuff hit the fan really worked out 💀

[tiny tiger]

You got frostner pre boneless?

[placid copper]

Bonemass*

[tiny tiger]

Gg lol

Autocorrect L

[placid copper]

Also no I didn't. I was grinding axe exp off him cause I got the crystal battle axe and my axe level was like 2 💀

[tiny tiger]

Ahh

[placid copper]

Bumped it up to 20 tho so hey

[tiny tiger]

I find he’s good for farming bow skill too

[placid copper]

Once one of my buddies get on I'mma ask if he can help with this.

Not even with the boss. Just ad clear so I can focus on the boss

[placid copper]

You can stand on his spawner and never get hit so

Just keep shooting him

[silver oracle]

i might be ready for bonemass

[placid copper]

What'cha workin with?

[nimble aurora]

found 2 silver veins on top of each other

[mental wren]

I tried yagluth not too long ago and he was the easiest so far

[nimble aurora]

yeah the boss design is cool but the fight is super easy

[silver oracle]

max iron armor, max banded shield (for parrying) max iron mace and max huntsman bow

[placid copper]

Yeah no you're ready.

[placid copper]

Just get poison potions and you're good.

I beat it in troll armor with a harnesk chestpiece and an iron mace.

[nocturne wolf]

You could also make tonic of ratatosk if you have found the bog witch

[placid copper]

All you need is poison potions.

[placid copper]

You really ONLY need poison potions.

And a blunt weapon or ice weapon.

[nocturne wolf]

I know, but if he’s already found the bog witch it can’t hurt to make more

[opal prairie]

Morgen gjall.

[silver oracle]

I have poison potions and medium healing potions

[placid copper]

Yeah you're overkill then LMAO

Like, that boss is quite literally gonna be easy. Just watch out for ads and be ready to time your parries and dodges.

[gray sand]

Don't parry.

[nocturne wolf]

Regular blocking, rolling and walking back are all better than parrying against bosses
Although if you have a buckler blocking probably won’t work

[mental wren]

The poison wasn't actually too troublesome but I dislike the wet debuff a lot.

[nocturne wolf]

If you’re rested, you have 200% stamina regen. Wet reduces stamina regen by 15%.
If you’re rested and wet, your stamina will be regenerating at 92.5% of the speed of only rested, it really doesn’t matter that much.

[mental wren]

that was the only thing I remember being annoying about swamp ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vital umbra]

but parrying is cooler and more fun

[placid copper]

And also standard blocking gets you knocked back

way further than if you parry

[mental wren]

Parrying trolls is my favourite so far.

[nocturne wolf]

I only parry enemies that I can’t stagger with one hit, if I can stagger in one hit, I do that instead because it’s faster.

[mental wren]

Ye takes three hits for me to stagger a troll. A parry tho is yummeeh

[opal prairie]

Yeah and if you combine that with a knife the troll doesn't stand a chance.

[mental wren]

I haven't tried knives. Frankly I'm usually too scared to even get close to anything that looks remotely aggressive.

For the longest time all I used was bows. Now for abominations that sucked, and wolves are not ideal to fight with bow either as far as I got, so the crystal axe it was, mainly cuz it looked cool and powerful.

[hasty grove]

You should try a game of troll balls, you parry the troll and then use the mace special attack while crying out "TROLLBALLZ!"

[mental wren]

Hahahahahaha

I've got a porcupine lying around somewhere

[hasty grove]

But yeah, parry and knife is the best strategy once you get proper buckler and knife, you practically melt them by copper age

And if you enter by sneak attack, you off them in a single assault

[mental wren]

Hmmm I've got sneak level 34 so that's pretty neat. I also got a black metal knife lying around maybe I'll try that next

I'm currently being a wuss about seeker soldiers tho. I very much dislike fighting in a terrain that's so disadvantageous for someone not being able to fly.

[hasty grove]

Uhm, if you are going for a full assault you risk the disappointment of seeing the troll fall down in one sneak hit with BM knife, I think

Also a sneak spear throw to the head is a world of pain for them, I like to troll the trolls in many ways XD

[nocturne wolf]

Using a polearm, one secondary attack should stagger it with enough skill and then you can just hold primary until it dies

[mental wren]

Never used a spear. The closest I've come is the atgeir

[gray sand]

Spears are amazing.

[mental wren]

I like big circle swings, aka crystal axe or atgeir

[hasty grove]

All the weapons are nice to play, they all have pretty good points, I'm only missing the 2h sword and ashlands tier weapons

[mental wren]

The thing is, I suck at combat anyway so it's all usually ranged, or well... Roll and run, so the weapons I use are just to look cool on stuff that can't hurt me...

[gray sand]

*All but one of the weapons are nice to play.

😏

[opal prairie]

Once I have all the troll hide I need I tend to dig holes and drag trolls in there, how is that for trolling trolls.

[mental wren]

.>

[hasty grove]

I raise you to troll a troll by imprisoning him among dirt pillars XD

[mental wren]

I still remember the first time I saw troll and I was wearing nothing but a pair of pants. Freaked me out. Ran around an oak tree for a while until some skellies got involved and I got away

[hasty grove]

Never done myself, but once I've seen it live, it was hilarious XD

[mental wren]

Huh. You're on the satisfactory server too.

[hasty grove]

Sometimes I play satisfactory, yeah

Maybe I'll start a server with my friends after Valheim to learn how to make a Docker image

[gray sand]

I remember the Satis server...

[mental wren]

Mnn. I need to play that more again. When I can run it. ATM it has a tendency to get really bad frames

Valheim is more fun currently

[hasty grove]

Valheim is great fun always

Honestly is one of the games I've played more in my life

[mental wren]

...uh huh. Yeah. Uh yeah totally agree with you 🤣

[mental wren]

I can second that.

Probably only rivaled by stardew valley and mc

Ah and monster hunter rise

[hasty grove]

Nice combat, great progression system, nice building framework, interesting mechanics

[nocturne wolf]

Against any attack that can be jumped over, jumping is better than rolling

[hasty grove]

Nice, but I prefer Iceborne

[mental wren]

Planning on getting it soon.

I started playing games about four years ago so a lot of stuff I haven't experienced yet

[mental wren]

Hmm. I suppose I did that a bit but more out of panic than as a planned action.

[hasty grove]

Wilds will be great too

[mental wren]

I get a bit jumpy when someone's out for my hide.

[hasty grove]

Panicking after plains will get you a corpse run XD

[mental wren]

Played the beta. It was super clunky and I couldn't run more than 45 frames at shitty graphics but the world looks damn great and the smooth transition between cut scene and gameplay was damn wild

[hasty grove]

If you keep calm instead you can get fu(g)lins by bronze already

[mental wren]

Uh ye I had to learn to take care of seekers cuz they're just more mobile than me...

[mental wren]

I tend to not keep to biome order, had a settlement in the plains way before I ventured out to get silver...

And I sorta skipped the swamp cuz the noise is scawy

[hasty grove]

With irons you can already win a skirmish against 3-4 little bastards

Parrying + red foods makes you block over your progression level

[mental wren]

...I just hid on pillars. And tamed lox in pits that did the work for me.

[hasty grove]

That's also a way XD

Do you play modded?

[mental wren]

Yeah... I am scared. So I use terrain. Can't break my mighty dirt pillars! And nope. Never touched mods...

Eventually, when I've beaten the game and need more, but atm I can't keep up with the updates yet lol

[hasty grove]

I use mostly QoL mods, but things like breeding tweaks and tames follow when you are in the mood to raise an army are great XD

[mental wren]

I just uh... Build house, cook food, and sometimes poke my nose into a dungeon that's about it.

And well. Earthbending with my pickaxe and hoe

[hasty grove]

Yet you arrived in the mistlands

So you somewhat know your way around the fighting

[mental wren]

I suppose so

[nocturne pasture]

Do we know when 1.0 drops? like Ashlands this year but next year?

[mental wren]

My phone's scr3nnn is registering hovering as tiuchhnmm black magic

[vital umbra]

in the future 🧡

[nocturne pasture]

nobody knows but everyone has a guess

[tiny tiger]

My guess is Xmas 2025

At the rate it’s going it seems like that’s the best bet maybe only PTB rather than full release like PTB late 2025 Release early 2026?

And considering they said they wanna flesh out the earlier biomes some more it gives opportunity for a content drop early-mid 2025

[spiral dagger]

my buddy and i have been playing the ashlands for the first time the last 2 days. wow wow WOW its been absolute insanity and mayhem

[tiny tiger]

How are you finding it

[spiral dagger]

so many deaths!! but its honestly a ton of fun. having a blast. WAY better experience than that first time playing the mistlands IMO

[tiny tiger]

Yeah dying in mistlands is a very frustrating experience

[thick bramble]

valheim

[cosmic igloo]

aight they broke troll AI. im trying to get it to break copper and it mostly just keeps walking into me, never had this issue before bog witch

[merry pebble]

Yes because sample size of one Is big enough to be sure of that...

[nocturne pasture]

Deep North and 1.0 the same if yes it will be a lot earlier, my guess.

[cosmic igloo]

welp at least +1 sample now

[tiny tiger]

Their AI defo feels finicky at times they seem to walk so far around when they could just walk directly towards you

[merry pebble]

Yeah but they always did that, i was hunting them this playthrough as much as i could and didn't notice any change (started it with release of bog witch)

[nocturne wolf]

Not if you’re using wisp torches

[cosmic igloo]

its not just the "walk around" part, its they just straight up walk into you and keep pushing you forever it seems

and i was on an almost completely flat copper ore block

[tiny tiger]

Hmm must be some kind of bug with the hitboxes

he’s struggling to detect you

[cosmic igloo]

ya something's broken obviously

sometimes i get the same behavior with twitchers in ashlands, just keep walking into me lol

[tiny tiger]

Ores in general have pretty weird hitboxes tho tbh lol

[cosmic igloo]

so i just got +1 bell as a bonus yield.. i thought they fixed that stuff?

[gray sand]

Bell isn't tagged as a weapon or armor would be my top guess.

• Crafting skill no longer provides bonus yield on armour and weapons

[rapid portal]

is this why I got 2 lox capes?

[gray sand]

Today?

[rapid portal]

yesterday or the day before that. I think

[gray sand]

If it was the day before, patch wasn't in yet.

[rapid portal]

Ah, thought it was pretty neat, just gave it to my friend

[gray sand]

Largely considered an annoyance, hence the removal.

[rapid portal]

I can see that

[gray sand]

Understandably useful in MP, but as that is specific to MP-only, not enough merit to keep.

[cosmic igloo]

i've only seen you consider it an annoyance sevrahn

[gray sand]

I'm happy for you.

[cosmic igloo]

why do you talk like that lmao

you're happy for me? what?

[gray sand]

@rapid portal you understand how randoms having gif perms could end horribly 😄

[rapid portal]

Considering what my friends sends me. Yes I do lmao

[silver oracle]

stumbled into the plains today

[gray sand]

My favorite biome!

[silver oracle]

i found a 2 star mob and it dropped me to 12 hp so i ran for my life

[rapid portal]

I found myself in a pit taming a wolf, getting the "Your being hunted" raid and being out of stamina I could not get out and the wolves kept filling the pit

No chance

[gray sand]

They all fell in the pit? Even more to tame!

[rapid portal]

lmao

Trynna get those 2 stars tho. Ended up killing them

[cosmic igloo]

doing fader on very hard. die to 2x asksvins + archer that trap me between lava and boss aoe, i die. go to collect my body and run away to recover, more asksvins + voltures + star charred mobs

i swear like 80% of the difficulty of this boss isnt even about the boss itself

[rapid portal]

lmao

[shy marlin]

way i handle it is to use the ring of fire/fissure to kill the regular mobs that join in

[cosmic igloo]

ya i try to

and now valk joins the fight and 2x archers from lava and i stuytter lag and die

[weary turret]

[cosmic igloo]

aight finally killed him

5 deaths

@shy marlin any advice on playing melee in very hard ashlands? i feel like its impossible when theres multiple mobs.. i dont do enough dmg to stagger charred warriors

and my himmini swing doesnt stagger for long enough

[shy marlin]

It's rough

Biggest thing I would recommend is just having complete awareness. Even when you're fighting things you should be lookin for what's in the distance, what you can snipe, and just becoming super efficient when killing stuff

All while not being hit

I know this doesn't really help but the answer is honestly just get really good

Using the s key to move outta attacks in invaluable

If you haven't already I'd recommend practicing on hard, and getting to a point where you absolutely dominate the ashlands on hard, and then move up to very hard

[cosmic igloo]

any weapon skill breakpoints?

[shy marlin]

wdym

[cosmic igloo]

like get min 50 axe skill

[shy marlin]

I'd say you'd want at least 60 bow skill

everything 60 is fine for ashlands vh

[cosmic igloo]

ah dang ive been super slacking on bows

meme'd a bit with xbow but feels kinda lame

[shy marlin]

ye bows is gonna be the biggest one, you can just pew pew pew asks/archers/valks down

xbow opener --> bow pew pew pew is the strat

[cosmic igloo]

damn so even with melee setup im not gonna be meleeing 😔

[shy marlin]

yea

sad reality that ranged builds are basically just melee+ in valheim

[cosmic igloo]

ok well ty, time to grind some lvls then :D

[shy marlin]

if you can record I can also review gameplay footage if you want

[cosmic igloo]

ah thats rly kind :) thx a lot. ill def ask for that if i keep struggling

btw what melee weap setup do you recommend? im guessing berserkir axes at least

[tacit crystal]

Klossen + Thundering Berserkir Axes for groups is one of my favorite combos, switch axes to Primal version for single target (starred enemies, bosses). Himminafl or Demolisher for knockback and stagger against large groups.

[silver oracle]

killed bonemass

[cosmic igloo]

sounds good. wouyld be cool with an ashlands atgeir with jade enchant

btw does immobilize even work on bosses?

[tacit crystal]

It does.

[cosmic igloo]

lol nice, ya i think i noticed my vines stunning fader sometimes but i wasnt sure

[drowsy vortex]

I read on reddit that underneath the Jotun skulls (the ones with soft tissue inside the head) there are veins of soft tissue, much like silver ore or something like that.

I tried digging under 2 heads just now and I cant find any soft tissue, anyone know something about this?

[tacit crystal]

Yeah the vines from Wild staff has chance to immobilize like Jade weapons.

[cosmic igloo]

i also tried digging further and found nothing

[hasty grove]

Maybe you mean inside the skull?

[drowsy vortex]

nope, beneath it

[hasty grove]

Never seen soft tissue under the skull

[drowsy vortex]

so probably trolls trolling then

[merry pebble]

Nope, reddit being reddit again

[merry pebble]

exactly

[hasty grove]

Maybe the redditor wasn't exactly well versed in English

[merry pebble]

Or was using mods and doesent know what is and isnt in vanilla anymore

[drowsy vortex]

was actually several people commenting in response that they've done the same and found tons that way

but trolls do come in numbers

[cosmic igloo]

deep state controlled reddit bots

[hasty grove]

Before opening the thread have you seen a "the earth is shaking" message by chance? XD

[cosmic igloo]

lmao

[rotund parrot]

I am sure they just found more soft tissue inside the actual skull that just goes deep and most of it is underground but we all know the whole skull is filled with soft tissue

[silver oracle]

great, against the wind again

[tacit crystal]

That's the spirit of the game. Something always against you (usually the wind).

[hasty grove]

Ehi guys, somebody uses dedicated server with docker? I'm not getting where the plugins actually are, and I'd like to remove a few mods

[merry pebble]

Fokls in #dedicated-server might help 🙂

[hasty grove]

If only there was someone to answer my question 🥲

Well, maybe I'll get an answer later

[merry pebble]

There will eventually 🙂

[cold elm]

Whil you wait you might want to check for a docker discord, possibly specific to the docker implementation/image that you use as it sounds like it's more to do with docker than valheim

[hasty grove]

Thanks for the tip, didn't even think there was a docker discord XD

[silver oracle]

so i guess the next biome is the mountains?

right, i should find a merchant

[candid basalt]

Frost mead is your friend

[silver oracle]

I have that recipe unlocked

[hasty grove]

Bring a few bottles with you, and a few bottles home...

Also, do not underestimate bonfires

[elder glen]

what is the obliterator for?

[light moat]

You can put items and materials in there and pull the leave to ‘trash’ them. You’ll get some coal in return.

[elder glen]

I almost threw my weapons thinking it'll make them hit lightnings

I should turn hints on

1 coal in an exchange for a max silver sword sounds uncomfy

NO wait CAN I THROW ANYTHING AND GET COAL??

[plush umbra]

the fun part is that it wouldn't even be 1, it'd be 0.1

[elder glen]

even resin?

[tacit crystal]

Actually it is 1 coal per 10 items (other than trophies or wood), so 1 Silver sword would have given you nothing.

[plush umbra]

(arrows are also an exception, it takes 20 arrows to make 1 coal)

[elder glen]

Oh

[tacit crystal]

Helper helping to remember 🙌

[rare sparrow]

Yes, even coal xD
-# and you’ll got 1 coal for 10

[elder glen]

Big Nice

[tacit crystal]

You can put anything on it, so not counting the exceptions you get 1 coal per 10 of any items. Exceptions are 1 coal per 5 wood, 1 coal per 1 trophy and like Winter stated, 1 coal per 20 arrows.

[elder glen]

W

[tiny tiger]

For some reason my computer crashed on me earlier but it actually ended up working out as it reverted me to before a 2 star draugr archer wrecked me

and I ended up getting 5 extra iron from redoing the crypt

[elder glen]

W

[tiny tiger]

As man I’m still missing 2 iron for a level 3 iron pick

[cosmic sail]

How long until content creators realize that love potions allow you to effectively tame trolls for mass logging operations?? Every video is "not really sure what the point is" or "just a joke potion". Plus it pays for itself!

[trail pelican]

to be sure it does make it easier to reliably summon one or more trolls to break things for you, I think realistically the reason that's maybe not the most useful for that function is its mostly early--before you have tools or tamed lox--that it's useful, but you aren't likely to stumble across bog witch until swamps by which point you're either past or just about to leave this stage; later, it's probably still more efficient to use your own axes/picks and or ride a lox (which can knock down and break down trees sprinting into them) than bothering with summoning and dodging trolls to do it

[high flume]

trolls can easily smash through anything from copper to forests, the potion has plenty of value! a blackmetal axe can tear through pines, sure, but not four at a time.

[cosmic sail]

I will be the first to admit that I have a soft spot for ol' Pauly and his talent for logging, so I haven't ever looked for more efficient options. However, even if it's less efficient that a lox or something, it's now accessible from anywhere in or near a black forest.

I am very excited to make use of them on my next playthrough. I'll be calling trolls in to clear spawners in the swamp, draugr villages, and other things that present a hassle in early-mid game.

And of course to clear acres of land for my usual black forest build. I don't know about most, but I always build my first permanent shelter in the black forest rather than the meadows. Once you learn to get along with the biome, it's just plainly superior. Trolls are a big part of that.

[nocturne wolf]

I would build a base in black forest but my friends never want to

[rotund parrot]

Yeah I do the same thing it helps in many ways, getting a constant flow of wood, stones and eyes, speeding the copper age so much and making getting the troll armor much easier

[cosmic sail]

Try finding a cluster of three copper deposits so there's a spot worth investing some defenses into. Then build a nice little mining and forging outpost with a good perimeter that demonstrates how peaceful it can be (especially if you sleep through the nights). After a little time there, you might be able to convert them into black forest dwellers. Also remember roads. Roads solve on of the biggest annoyances of the forest: Knowing where in Odin's realms you're going. @nocturne wolf

[merry pebble]

Dont click this guys, i hope it desent need to be said but still...

[high flume]

there's also 3 m's...

[rotund parrot]

To be honest, even if there wouldn't be spelling mistakes, you shouldn't click random links

[tacit crystal]

One of our group sometimes chooses pretty hazard places for bases. While we were progressing through Black forest phase in one of our worlds he went to a boat trip and chose a location for our permanent base: a small patch of Black forest between Plains and Swamp and Mountain in background. Fulings from other side and Draugrs and Blobs from other side harassed us quite early there.

[keen cliff]

that sounds like a great place to watch biomes fight each other, if you set it up right 🙂

[errant knoll]

It's way easier to build in the meadows but i have to agree that black forest makes a superior spot

[azure yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[errant knoll]

Truly I think the best spot for big, fairly easily defensible bases is swamp though. The landscape itself provides lots of "foundation" for you to work with, letting you build wide and tall fairly painlessly

[azure yacht]

Enemies easily get wet so if you have frost damage you kill them more easily

[elder glen]

Was there a chest that works exactly like shoulker box or was I dreaming

[azure yacht]

No

[elder glen]

Dreaming then

[azure yacht]

#screenshots message

This just made me think: How far can the emojis appear vertically? And how close you need to be for them to render?

@wide topaz (You might know the answer to this)

Starting to think how feasible those sign "features" could work in no map, more specifically the floating signals

[wide topaz]

If you'd like to test your thoughts, here's some stuff that may help:

- On a sign, you can enter <size=x sprite=y> where x is a positive integer for the size of the sprite, and y is the sprite index of your choice, in Valheim, seemingly 0-20 are options.
- The character limit on signs is 50, so if you want more space, you can do <size=x> then copy/paste a unicode emoji symbol
- To change the vertical position, enter new-line characters in the sign, which is \n, and its size depends on the size of the text entry, in this case, the size=x value.
- So my sign text entry is: "<size=300 sprite=10>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"
- The rich text tags section of textmeshpro covers most of the available modifiers for valheim text, which you can find here: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.textmeshpro@4.0/manual/RichText.html

[cobalt canyon]

The render distance would probably be the build piece of the sign, not the symbol itself

[wide topaz]

You're correct. @azure yacht I've posted a picture of how far away it appears. It could be a useful method of creating in-game beacons, too. Which is a funny thought.

[azure yacht]

That actually makes perfect sense in hindsight

Also, been trying follow the instructions and sometimes i get it right and sometimes not

If I want a text floating very high up that says "Home" , how would I do it?

[cosmic igloo]

man how are you supposed to play berserkir axes on harder difficulties in ashland? the first attack doesnt do enough to stagger and because the animation is so slow, you barely have enough time to dodge their attack and you just get 1shot

i guess youy have to stagger first with atgeir? but i have lvl 40 polearm and its not even close to staggering enough to swap weapon

[fallen zephyr]

I don't use fist weapons, but parrying might help. I've found the easiest way to level Block is during the Skeleton Surprise event.

[cosmic igloo]

nah i cant parry on hard/very hard

[fallen zephyr]

Ok then. Good luck, my dude. 😉

[cosmic igloo]

ty..

i guess i just have to have all skills on 60+ basically

meanwhile mage chilling at lvl 0 just spam some vines ez ez

[tacit crystal]

I remember seeing someone use Himminafl to stagger the target, then switch to Berserkir Axes and leaped with its secondary attack, staggering the target again. Was it @shy marlin ?

[cosmic igloo]

ya i do that, but the problem is my stagger with himmini doesnt stagger loing enough, so i cant swap to axes

learned it from Henrik i think

[cosmic sail]

For building impressive things with large footprints I prefer the plains. Just avoid tar pits, cut off line of sight with a stone wall, and you can tame the strongest respawning mob.

[errant knoll]

Yeah, plains is kinda like meadows, it's easy to build in. After you overcome the initial progression they become the new meadows, the "easy, quick homes" of the late game

[tiny tiger]

its been a productive day, gathered easily over 200 copper and about 60 tin

should last like 5 ingame days lol

[errant knoll]

My copper storages going bye bye as I build dvergr spiral staircases

[calm scroll]

un popular opinion, devs should remove the mist and just make it so yagluth drops a material that lets you make the black metal pickaxe

spamming wisp torches in builder mode gets old

[tiny tiger]

tomorrow my plan is to find the bonemass swamp and gather enough iron for some weaponry and armor and then get ready for the battle

oh yeah and find turnips ive still not found any

[errant knoll]

I think you can use mods to get rid of the mist or make the wisplight go further.

I don't think the mistlands would capture that unique paranoia without the mist

[tiny tiger]

endgame mistlands should provide a better form of mist removal, i hope something like that is implemented before 1.0

[calm scroll]

yes

make wisplight have 5m more radius or somethign

[tacit crystal]

Another trick: hit 2 first swings at air before the target and then connect it with 3rd and 4th dual hits.

[azure yacht]

Fyi, for an opinion to be unpopular the opinion in question needs to be disliked/disagreed by plenty/majority of people

[tiny tiger]

you can quickly unequip and reequip hammer it should make the transition to dual axes faster

hammer doesnt have any equip frames

[cobalt canyon]

<voffset 10> I think (number sets the height)

[cosmic sail]

Don't you dare take away my mist! How else will I shroud my ceiling?

[tiny tiger]

with the new and improved mist torches!!

create mist instead of dispersing it 😉

[trail pelican]

naw, they should just add a build piece that clears a HUGE radius of mist away using the ceramic plates (so gated behind queen) and maybe black core, some refined eitr, ad other stuff, and for before the queen is killed add 2-3 upgrade levels of wisplight requiring more wisps, silver, and (maybe) refined eitr each of which adds an additional "wisplight ball" circling you clearing away mist and/or expandign the one/each wisplight ball's clearing radius per upgrade level

[calm scroll]

i like this

since ashlands tier gaulder table lets u upgrade mistlands staffs

[trail pelican]

it's otherwise perfect as is IMO, although the idea of a torch that ADDS mist is an interesting concept as well--not really much use I can see for it, besides visuals, but that (visuals alone) is a big part of the building aspect

[tiny tiger]

have the wisplight upgrades gated behind structures in the mistlands

maybe 1 upgrade is in the infested mines, another in the dvergr structures

[trail pelican]

oh that could be cool

[tiny tiger]

refined eitr being an upgrade ingredient would work too

[cosmic sail]

I posted a screenshot of my Mistlands build in the #building-screenshots channel. I personally really like being given constraints/challenges because they inspire unique solutions.

[azure yacht]

#suggestions message

[smoky obsidian]

Does anyone know if Hildir and Haldor have a lore story ?

[tiny tiger]

Dvergr who sell wares throughout the lands of valheim

[smoky obsidian]

okay

lol

[tiny tiger]

I’m sure there’s more to it

[merry pebble]

They didn't want to do what all of the other dwarfs were doing (mainly mining and researching stuff iirc) so they started travelimg and trading

[smoky obsidian]

how do you know that ?

but that's interesting

[tiny tiger]

still haven’t found haldor man I want this belt already

[merry pebble]

Some of the lines the dvergrs say

[trail pelican]

yup, that one gets my upvote too--i'm just repeating something(s) I've literally formally suggested before

[trail pelican]

don't you mean "mainly, dying to voluntarily walking into lava"?

[merry pebble]

Heh, i believe they are from the whitebeards clan of them 😄 (mistlands dvergr) Its the redbeards that walk into lava

[light moat]

There are different clans? And they have names? 👀

[keen cliff]

does anyone build scaffolding when they mine flametal? i get so nervous on those damn lavaiathans. i need a better approach that feels safer

[merry pebble]

Yep! 😄

[light moat]

I just climb the tower by jumping and start from the top and mine my way down- I’ve never fallen

[trail pelican]

...isn't Haldor's beard red though?

[merry pebble]

Hmm, not sure...

[light moat]

Huh, that’s extremely cool! Gotta spend more time with Dvergr lol

[merry pebble]

Oh! It is!

[tiny tiger]

Is hildirs beard red too

[trail pelican]

given they're siblings, we can probably safely assume that's most likely the case

[tiny tiger]

Appears to have a white and red dress and green and red necklace

[shy marlin]

Yes I’ve done that

[merry pebble]

If you look at the bottom of the pages you will see "Show quotes" for anyone interested 🙂
Mistlands dvergr:
https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Dvergr_rogue
https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Dvergr_mage
Ashlands dvergr:
https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Ashlands_Dvergr (here they talk about Haldor and Hildir in faction base talk section 😉 )

[shy marlin]

#memes-and-clips message @cosmic igloo

[cosmic igloo]

ah leap with axes ok ill try it

prolly have time enough to do that

also slayer is pretty based, bait attack, jump and as you land you strike

[shy marlin]

Yes

Or just as a warrior is approaching you just time the special sword attack

Hit em before they approach you and get big damage in

[tacit crystal]

Secondary attack should be enough to stagger non starred Warrior.

[cosmic igloo]

ya i tried that some but its scary because sometimes i dont knock back and they stab me as i stab them

my sword lvl isnt very high too so i dont stagger much

[shy marlin]

I know it does on hard haven’t done vh melee Ashlands in 2 months

[cosmic igloo]

its 15 lmao

[tacit crystal]

I'm only playing Hard on my newest world, haven't gotten to Ashlands yet.

Vh seems like menace to me.

[cosmic igloo]

on mage it feels like hard=vh

but ya lvling bow was good, i shrekt a lot of charred dudes with it

[split patio]

add me if u want to play valheim with me

[vocal rivet]

#1024264966712340510

[light moat]

Thanks for sharing!

[light moat]

Hmm I must be missing something- the quote section is empty?

For the rogue page at least

[cobalt canyon]

Should make the Eitr refinery spit cut through mist

[merry pebble]

There should be white letters "Show quotes" with dotted orange line underscoreing it 🤔

[arctic garnet]

would 15 degrees of aiming melee attacks up/down really, really be so unreasonable? Just 15 degrees?

[vocal rivet]

Yes.

[trail pelican]

you mean just like the raw refined eitr as a drop clears away a radius of mist?

[cosmic summit]

My hot tub keeps turning off. Does it need a chimney?

[pliant hatch]

yes

[trail pelican]

not even necessarily a chimney, just a lack of obstruction of the pipe where the smoke comes out, otherwise build up of smoke will periodically smother the fire until enough smoke particles decompose to allow it to start up again--i'm not sure if you have a totally unsheltered hot tub if rain puts it out though

[cosmic summit]

Bleh. I'll need to figure out a different place to put it then. I can't raise the roof of the basement without rebuilding my entire house

[vital umbra]

heyo

[keen cliff]

i guess i'm a big wuss. it feels sketchy as hell. doesn't help that i did fall off and into the lava to insta-die one time lol

[elder glen]

Wait THE FROSTNER wasn't a two handed hammer

[nocturne wolf]

No, it's just a mace that looks like a hammer

[elder glen]

I LOVE IT

I thought it'd be like smacking the ground and freezing the surroundings

[cosmic igloo]

jesus christ melee is so fcking pathetic compared to mage. its so sad

the lightning weapons are so cool ... damn

[vital umbra]

😾

[elder glen]

ngl it looks like Mjölnir

[vital umbra]

try taking one hit without your cowardly bubble 😤

[elder glen]

you know what I'm learning greek

[cosmic igloo]

lmao 1 hit kills me also on melee

[nocturne wolf]

Not if you kill the enemy first 😉

[cosmic igloo]

oh i guess nvm it doesnt kill me on mage

[vital umbra]

what kinda """"melee"""" build did you have my guy

[elder glen]

You mean I'm happy with my melee weapons being OP while there is a far greater mage weapons ?

[vital umbra]

my last character with flametal armour was a beastly tank in the ashlands in 95% of scenarios

[cosmic igloo]

what difficulty

[nocturne wolf]

Not until the final two biomes, and in my experience they aren't as strong as most say they are, but maybe I just need to try them more

[vital umbra]

🗿

[nocturne wolf]

🗿 difficulty?

[cosmic igloo]

anyway being hit is irrelevant

[elder glen]

IKIK

[vital umbra]

As soon as that is mentioned i lose interest, i use the difficulty that is reasonable 😛

[elder glen]

Aaa blobicycake, should I leave my iron mace now and use the hammer instead?

[vital umbra]

If someone is playing on a harder difficulty it is not the norm or baseline for something.