❔┃ask-the-community

[deep moon]

a guide i've seen said it can't

[candid elm]

No, Sealed is completely ignored for LP Crafting. It doesn't count toward the 4x required affixes and it won't be used in the transfer.

On a positive note, that means you can use Despair Sealing to effectively remove an affix from the possible transfers

This page gives details on the Seal chance, of note is that on an Exalted item with 4x affixes a T1 is a guaranteed Seal https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/seal-chance

[calm schooner]

Thank you! I was really confused because I have seen guides claim both yes and no

[storm blaze]

The only way legendary can have a sealed affix is by Nemesis doing oopsie
as far as I know

[candid elm]

You can use an item with a Sealed affix in the LP Crafting, but that Sealed affix will be ignored

LP Crafting does let you transfer Experimental affixes.

But not Reforged Set affixes or the Personal & Champion affixes - as they're both Sealed. And not the T8 Primordial affixes - also Sealed in a special second Sealed slot

[calm schooner]

that's good

[fringe iris]

folks any idea what this is about?

[analog needle]

Restart game

[fringe iris]

steam issue?

[fallen whale]

same issue here, must be a steam issue :/

play "full offline" is working... that's all

[charred bolt]

I think it may be beyond even steam, maybe something aws related?

[fringe iris]

aws?

[charred bolt]

yeah seems many sites which rely on cloudfront are having issues right now

[fringe iris]

guess we wait it out

[fallen whale]

i tried to imprint a 2T7 sentinel body armor on my primalist, hoping to get 2T7 primalist body armor... but i am not sure it works like that ? already got 1T7 body sentinel... just bad luck ? does it help me to get more primalist body too ? or not at all please ?

[fringe iris]

Steam seems to be back up

[calm schooner]

Currently in 500c and I was wondering if the dual T7 droprates ever get significantly better.

[charred bolt]

I think he's talking about imprints, not slams. I believe it'll generally keep the same body armor class most the time, but every now and again switch the class

[candid elm]

You're right, it clearly said imprint and my brain skipped right over it

[meager junco]

yes but the odds aren't great even if you say double it going from 500 to 1000

[chrome quail]

would the most ideal way to gain mana be through passive stat increases (spellblade with shattering strikes as a focus)? I have added mana and or mana regen on everything i can.

would the most ideal way to gain mana be through passive stat increases (spellblade with shattering strikes as a focus)? I have added mana and or mana regen on everything i can.

[rocky rapids]

you just use mana strike, the opportunity cost of sustaining mana any other way on shatter strike is too high. generator spender sucks but it is what it is

[faint cape]

Cooldown mana strike usually works well enough

[chrome quail]

Darn. That really bums me out. I was wanting to avoid mana strike I’ve done a couple builds with it already. Thank you for the insight.

[chrome quail]

I’ll check that but I’m messing around with a build that fires off elemental nova as often as possible so I need sustained uptime on melee.

[nimble bolt]

Just to clarify i understand this correctly, if i cast a curse on someone, and then hit that person iwth chaos bolts does that mean the timer on the curst resets every time i hit the person?

[icy drift]

yes

[nimble bolt]

Neat, thank you

[stone granite]

Let's say I'm putting a set affix onto a weapon, does the weapon type have to match the one in the set?

[high tusk]

Someone please help. I have prismatic gaze as part of my loot filter for uniques, but it's not showing. Am I missing something

This is the rule set

The same rule works fine for Calamity, but not prismatic gaze

[faint cape]

Yes; if it's a 1h set sword, its affix can only go on a 1h sword

[nimble bolt]

how does this work with rares and bosses and champions? I cant imagine it allows you to instakill them too

[analog raft]

it clips different depending on monster rarity

[nimble bolt]

is there a guide somewhere that explains what it does to different enemy types?

[analog raft]

does hittting alt not say?

[nimble bolt]

sadly no

[meager junco]

it works the same on all

[analog raft]

all the 'kill threshold' is similar i believe

[nimble bolt]

So it can instakill bosses that are at low % hp as well??

[meager junco]

ya

[nimble bolt]

o.O

wow

that sounds strong

[meager junco]

yeah sorta

[candid elm]

Kill Threshold works on bosses as well.

[nimble bolt]

especially considering i can get that up to 18%

interesting

[analog raft]

'reduced affect on boosssess'

[nimble bolt]

it doesnt even say that

[analog raft]

good grief my keyboard just had an aneurysm

may be an old post and im misremebering. i thought it affected rarity differently maybe thats patched out

[rocky rapids]

cull is generally not super valueable on bosses these days because of boss ward. it used to be mandatory on every build back in the dynamic dr days but these days it's more of a "nice to have"

[nimble bolt]

i see

[faint cape]

PoE2 does that, but not LE

[analog raft]

ah, easily could have switched that lol

[nimble bolt]

am i dumb or is this a typo, shouldnt it be "you and your minions deal additional melee necrotic damage and spell necrotic damage" not "your and your..."

[vernal sail]

What is the most amount of affixes you can have on an item?

[nimble bolt]

5 i think, 4 by default +1 sealed

[vernal sail]

Okiii I'm pretty newish to the endgame so yeee

[nimble bolt]

all good

[desert tree]

Correct
Please #tooltip-hunt

[nimble bolt]

I had no idea that even existed, thank you

[desert tree]

Technically 6
4 affixes
1 sealed
1 primordial affix

[versed garden]

how does the corruption affects imprinting system? does it make imprinting proc more frequent? or just affects the affixes that procced item has

[meager junco]

more frequent

[versed garden]

did anyone datamine this or we just think this way

[calm schooner]

#feedback message
@small prairie
Felt like I'd let you know that Rampant Coast solves all your issues mentioned. I'm swimming in primordial mats.

[desert tree]

Even bones ?

[formal osprey]

You can make bones not the bottle neck through bags still, I think? Not 100% sure. But you gotta buy a lot of bags if you wanna use your mats. Then you get way less items

I like amber bags still. Also possibly unique or rune even for lategame CoF. Atm I'm early in char found though, so I might even have bought a glyph bag

[nimble bolt]

yall ever upgrade a piece of armor youre using and then it BECOMES TOO HIGH LEVEL FOR YOU TO USE

https://tenor.com/view/reee-pepe-frog-angry-angery-gif-18421495

[desert tree]

Oopsie

[nimble bolt]

I forgot about that when I was upgrading

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-pepe-pepehands-crying-gif-12683546

[calm schooner]

Yes, even bones.

[calm schooner]

Nah, I just lose 20 FP at the first Havoc attempt and question my decision to play the game

[small prairie]

that's the issue, duh, too much mats, too little bones

[calm schooner]

Then word it better, duh.

Also, scroll up. I swim in bones as well.

[small prairie]

it clearly says we lack bones, idk how do you read it

[calm schooner]

I don't intend a debate or whatever though, so feel free to ignore if it's unhelpful 🤷‍♀️

[small prairie]

scroll where, you can make bookmark

if you mean to spend on bags to even the ratio, that doesn't help when i try to farm at least 2LP item, too little bones

[formal osprey]

My initial feeling was that rift beasts were just for the items. Maybe a mistake due to hype over the new and shiny uniques. But anyway I didn't use any bags early game.

Late game, bags seem more questionable. I still like unique bag early, and amber bag overall, but I can't really tell if they're good. Primordial uniques just cost way too much bones though, making it all wonky

[deep moon]

i like in theory how there are options like this, but in practice i find it overwhelming how many crafting possibilities i need to consider when looking at a good-ish item 🤕

[calm schooner]

In reality, none of it matters, because your first havoc will give you -20 fp

[formal osprey]

Ngl, I kinda feel like the main way to obtain primordial uniques should be rift beasts so you're not farming 200k bones until you get your item then randomly amass 400k when you have your item. Any super specific currency used to purchase them from Skarven feels like it will go that way too. An imprint on weaver tree where you could imprint a primordial item and riftbeasts start dropping it would be cool. Plus riftbeasts should have a pointer in echoes, like tombs and echo objective

So they could just balance bones vs bags

[calm schooner]

It always surprises me how the community will nitpick the tiniest of details (in this case about Rift Beast) but is okay with the whole FP gamba, imprint gamba, cache gamba lol

[formal osprey]

Power creep is a thing

Making a system more intuitive has an intrinsic value, power creep is more a combination of new options needing to be competitive and losing power (nerfs) feeling bad

[calm schooner]

I have no idea how that relates to anything

[formal osprey]

Deterministic crafting makes more power more easily acquired

[calm schooner]

You mean like playing MG?

[formal osprey]

I'd say lack of variety and fun progression in endgame is a bigger problem than non-deterministic crafting. As is, the game just kinda ends

[formal osprey]

You can do it several ways

[calm schooner]

People usually switch to trade when the method of obtaining stuff sucks

[formal osprey]

Idk, I think trade can be fun in itself

Not swindling people, but just adapting to a community and supplying something people use, find an efficient way, and pump out currency to get whatever you need

[calm schooner]

Every game kinda just ends after whatever the final fight is

Aberroth is the BBEG of the current game

[formal osprey]

But then why are you super worried about getting 2 guaranteed slams on uniques?

[icy drift]

In before we get 2 guaranteed and people complain 3lp is still 50/50

[formal osprey]

Yeah

That's why I don't see the point of such a change

I feel like theorycrafting offers a lot of options and can allow you to enjoy the game for a long time. Furthermore, with gradual increase of effort to acquire ever more perfect gear, into complete absurdity to acquire stuff like LP4 red rings, there is a basically infinite time sink to gear up. But before you're even done, endgame just becomes corruption scaling + uber abberoth and crafting (system*) that while allowing more investment to get increasingly perfect results, you would wanna have more fun fueling your crafting with content to get stuff from

[blazing glacier]

There's a lot of "chance to change..." rolls for imprints, you have a chance to lose T7 and chance to change class. I have quite a few non mage 77 helms even though I imprint mage helm.

[calm schooner]

Unsure if I made it unclear to understand, but it's the amount of gamba layers, not one specific gamba

If raw drops already are incredibly low and 2 Havoc attempts 0 FP the whole thing, making you repeat from 0 and you add Rune of Removal gamba and imprint procs are not only rare AF but also only give mod tier but not specific mod and then you have to Havoc gamba again and on top of that Glyph of Chaos gamba the proc for other mods (because the random mods from the imprint proc are likely bad) and then you also Eternity Cache gamba, that's when it's a problem.

I'd be happier with "ingredients are made harder to obtain, but once you do, you get the item you wish".
In PoE2, if I get my base + Omens + Essence, I guarantee the item I wish. I consider that system superior.

[blazing glacier]

I don't even think the rate / difficulty of acquiring gear is in a bad spot tbh, it's just that the current system has a lot of power plateaus and where big RNG events are positioned in the process makes it feel like a dopamine buzzkill when you get past a certain point of progression.

Imprints are also so overbearingly strong for acquiring super fine tuned items compared to other methods (cough... prophecies) right now that it also feels like you don't really have much variety in the process. 90% of end game minmax is just waiting for imprint procs

[formal osprey]

Maybe it's just a bit of a plateau before uberoth yeah

I haven't done uberoth to be clear, but I abandoned my CoF+MG hybrid seasonal stash to do it on char found

[blazing glacier]

The drops themselves are also a huge part of what makes ARPGs exciting, that "loot slot machine" but because of how disposable the drops themselves are (eg. an exalt has a very low chance of becoming upgrade due to FP, a unique might be gauntlet of strife food if the rolls are all bottom or low rolled 3LP being worse than a 1LP if the slam misses, etc.) it ends up killing a lot of that excitement that would exist.

In deep endgame there currently isn't anything that really excites you on that next drop (perhaps in MG a giga valuable item to sell). There is no ultra rare powerful rune, no item that could "eventually" become good deterministically (perhaps how much effort it takes is still random), etc.

[formal osprey]

True, intrinsic value of items is low. I do like that stepping stone into a required unique is almost never high though. Then I just haven't really gotten into slamming much aside from LP1, LP2-3 with t7/5/5/5, or LP4

Maybe some playstyles should actually be gated behind some grind

[calm schooner]

This is likely a c level issue, but I practically never see my imprints proc.
Also once the imprint procs, you still need to

• Havoc and likely brick
• Glyph of Chaos the random (mostly bad) modifiers and likely brick
  before you make it slammable / usable anyway.

[blazing glacier]

This is fine, having weird "meme" type builds that could function but only with good gear is kinda fine to chase fun.

[formal osprey]

Yeah

[deep moon]

do you people always carry around a spare legendary in case a nemesis egg pops up?

[calm schooner]

I used to, until I discovered that you can access your stash from the egg menu, so not anymore.

[blazing glacier]

Oh, I take that back, 4LP drops feel amazing if its something you actually want, because you know if you spend a bunch of time farming the perfect exalt you know that time won't be wasted

[deep moon]

this helps, thanks!

[formal osprey]

I'm kinda thinking, uniques could be more valuable on LP0 and then most mandatory effects could migrate to when they update the skill system. If a unique still enables a skill functionality, then that should be intentional to create hype, require some effort, and build excitement

[calm schooner]

I think uniques are fine mostly. It's the exalts I personally take an issue with

[blazing glacier]

I do wish COF had some sort of way to get excitement out of extremely rare items they don't care about. Like if I could turn my 3LP Razorfall into eternal cache RNG juice

[formal osprey]

I'm thinking Naal's effect could be a modifier you could get deterministically in new skills system, but Naal's Tooth gets modified to turn your raptors albino (with a cool model) or something

[blazing glacier]

tbh yea, even though the stash is accessible it is a bit annoying to dig through it while enemies slowly trickle in towards you and most of your screen is obscured by the menu.

[calm schooner]

^ It always feels like enemies just pop in the moment you open dialogues / menus in this game too for whatever reason, even after seemingly full clearing

feels like a very cheap way of trying to kill my char lol

[blazing glacier]

but already in LE much of your power progression is locked in skill and passive trees, I think this makes that even more significant

[formal osprey]

True I guess. I just think that if they would try to make uniques more exciting, one thing is that the baseline unique should be better without LP but rarer. But build enabling effects should not just baseline become rarer and require more time to grind out, at least imo. To me that's the biggest upside with LE uniques system, that getting LP0 on anything is relatively easy

[calm schooner]

Some uniques are already borderline impossible to get until very high levels

e. g. Rahyeh's Light

[formal osprey]

I just know Naal's Tooth can take some time on season start or char found, which I think is not optimal because raptors are sort of officially pack companions, at least if you look at spriggan (though obviously things are flexible, some other minion could crop up with a node treating raptor as a solo companion)

What feels odd is that spriggan has a node around a unique, not a unique around a node

[blazing glacier]

I think it'll always feel weird to compare all uniques of a given amount of LP because they are not balanced to be "on the same level". Eg. LP1 kestral is kinda weak, LP1 Red Ring is pretty great.

LE has the LP level system to solve more accessible often weaker uniques becoming irrelevant late game.

Rare/High LP level items got significantly more benefit out of the guaranteed 1LP change than lower LP level items, for example.

I think either LP levels or rarity needs to be rebalanced accordingly, or we need something that considers LP level as part of the legendary craft process. Eg. 1LP Red Ring somehow "costs more" to guarantee than 1LP Kestral

[formal osprey]

Sounds reasonable

[blazing glacier]

Back before 1.2 you would usually have a mix of 1LP and 2LP items, maybe a couple exalts as you progress, now it's almost always best to rush a decent unique with a useful T7 slammed in each slot before doing anything else

But then the power plateau feels more significant, as the effort needed for that next step isn't a gradual increase at each stage, it's a big leap past the 1LP stage.

[formal osprey]

I think plateaus is a big problem tbh. LE implements a lot of nice ideas, but removing plateaus are more polishing the end result which I do think they need to work on more

[formal osprey]

I guess one thing I like about EHG on this topic is that their approach is seemingly "who are we kidding, raptors go in packs cuz naals", and it's also not a node about a unique cuz there's 3 pack companions on the node. I still think that if something is inofficially already accepted, it should usually be a best practice that it be officially adopted, but I get that that's probably a problem of administrating dev time

[calm schooner]

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[formal osprey]

To clarify in the general sense, if you accepted it you're not fighting it so for clarity call it what it is, especially in IT developement. In this specific case I don't know whether raptor is accepted to be a pack companion, but if it isn't then their changes to spriggan just created more technical debt (if just a tiny tiny bit)

[small prairie]

Lilith, this is setup I usually try to get, and I still say 'not enough bones'

[meager frost]

hi guys i was wondering how i should be trying to get these on my weapon
i havent found an exalted at all with both of these rolls

[small prairie]

there is a trick to have any mod 2t7 exalt with at least 1 of desired mods, if your affix is not empty to craft desired mod, use glyph of despair to free the slot, and then use rune of havoc to swap t7s between mods

craft desired mod before swapping though

[cyan knoll]

You can, you just have to play all builds, all classes 😄🫠

[blazing glacier]

I mean fair but if your goal is vertical progression all this provides is horizontal progression. In MG it would contribute to your vertical progress

Thats why some sort of salvage system would be cool. Turn giga rare high lp drop into something valuable

[cyan knoll]

Sure but then what’s the point of MG? You’re describing the main downside of CoF that MG is good at. If you “fix it” then it makes the faction choice less appealing.

I agree vertical progression is a mystery for CoF. It’s mostly the “magic find faction”, so most of the extra drops are garbage, even the rare ones you do not value.

But that’s the gist of arpg’a no? You get a rare drop, might be a good reason to start a new build.

[calm schooner]

the point of MG is circumventing LEs atrocious "crafting" system by just buying what you need

[small prairie]

if the mechanic allows it, use it to your advantage

[cyan knoll]

I don’t see how you circumvent it. Someone still has to craft it. And if it’s not crafted that’s just part of the baseline casino that is unrelated to the FP costs of crafting rng

To echo on FrozenSentinel’s comment: it would be fun to do something about the rare, unvalued drops. However that only makes sense in a world where someone that can’t have it cares. The meta perception is part of the equation and there’s nothing you can do about it at the time of it dropping, other than salvaging it for some kind of currency. And personally I don’t want to see this game go down a route of having another casino layer of that kind of currency.

I’d highlight that if there’s rare-drops-that-someone-in-mg-would-care-about then that item should’ve been filtered out for you in the first place and replaced with something more engaging in CoF.

[calm schooner]

No matter how many times I think about it, I can't wrap my head around people being ok with the status quo

[cyan knoll]

But perhaps the system is fine and what frozen is experiencing is natural curiosity to go play MG. I see no fault in that.

[calm schooner]

Let's look at the steps of getting a usable Exalt and the general >1 LP gameplay loop:

Reroll for Rune modifiers at the CoF until your hands go numb.
Hope to drop a couple Runes of Havoc.

Spend days~weeks to get a double T7 Exalt drop.
Try to make it imprintable: you want a 1o/77.
Your Runes of Havoc will drop your FP by 20 each, and your Runes of Removal will hit the wrong target.
Wait for another double T7 Exalt drop.
Repeat 20 times until you have an imprintable Exalt.
Congratulations, it only took you like a month of playing 15h daily.

Wait days~weeks until your first imprint proc due to how bad the proc rates are.
Keep improving your FP by replacing your imprint with the new one.
Repeat 3 times. Your imprint is now 50 FP.

Several weeks later: Good, your first proc!
Rune of Havoc to make your prefixes T7 and get a 77/xx.
Your Runes of Havoc will drop your FP by 20 each.
Wait until the next imprint proc. Repeat 10 times.
A couple dozen attempts later, you now have a 77/xx.
You're now 2 months at 15h/d in.

The imprint drop modifiers are random, so you try to fix the suffixes with Glyphs of Chaos and reroll them into random modifiers.
Repeat 20 times until you now have a 77/xx with usable suffixes.
Congratulations, you now have a slammable/usable Exalt.

Time to bring it the Exalt and Unique to the Eternity Cache.
Eternity Cache said No.
Repeat everything from 0. Sucks to suck.

Now do this 11 times, because that's how many item slots you have.

The funniest part is that I've seen people call this "deterministic", it's completely bonkers.
In PoE2, you farm your base, Essence and Omens for like 2~3 days and then make your desired item.

I did bring it into feedback + suggestions, and it is clearly by design.
But when I read the forum post about the game "unfortunately being less profitable than expected": Yea I'm not surprised people quit.

Anyway: that's why you'd play MG.

There are only 2 possible consequences for anti-player mechanics:

• people find ways to avoid them (MG)
• low player retention

I love the irony of the "how to make slammable bases" text doubles as a guide and "this sucks" lol

[candid elm]

The exact steps will vary by the unique you've got. A good starting point would be an Exalted 1H Axe with a random T7 and either the Minion Melee & Bow or Minion Melee & Spell.

Example item:
T7 prefix.
any prefix.
any tier minion melee & bow/spell suffix.
any suffix.

First step, to try to get the second minion melee on the item you'll need an open suffix slot. If the other suffix on the item is low tier, try Glyph of Despair. On an Exalted item with 4x affixes, Despair is guaranteed to Seal a T1. As the tier goes up the chance becomes lower. Chart here https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/seal-chance. Alternatives to Despair: If below other suffix is below T5 you can try to Chaos and hope it randomly turns into the suffix you want. Minion melee & bow/spell are rare, but it's possible. If the other suffix is T5+, then it's just Removal and hope it removes the other suffix, but if it removes the T7 you're starting over with a new item.

Let's say either Despair or Removal was successful, so the item has
T7 prefix.
any prefix.
minion melee & bow/spell suffix.
now open suffix slot.
And if Despair, then also a Sealed suffix that won't be used in LP crafting.

Second step, craft on the second minion melee & bow/spell suffix. Now that the item has 4 affixes again, third step, use Havoc and hope the T7 is shuffled onto either of the minion melee & bow/spell suffixes. Fourth step, if there's any FP left, you'd craft up the non-T7 minion melee & bow/spell suffix to as high as you can get it. So you'd hopefully end up with a T7 and T5.

Optional final step, if there's still FP, you can use Rune of Creation to duplicate the Exalted item. Giving you an extra chance to try again with the LP 2 crafting, as you can only guarantee 1x affix transfer. So you'd the T7 and there's a 1 in 3 chance the T5 you want is also transferred. If it isn't, you try again with your duplicate or start over by making another Exalted.

[calm schooner]

🙂

[candid elm]

Before 1.2 the entire Eternity Cache was randomized. You just had to hope it transferred something usable.

1.2 update added that T2+ Temporal Sanctum gives you 1x guaranteed affix transfer.

I like the 1x guaranteed and would rather it not go back to the old system, but compared to the old system, it's very easy to make a great 1 LP item now. Especially with Havocs. Almost too easy

[calm schooner]

I agree that getting one wanted T7 drop and a usable 1 LP Unique is reasonable.

[meager frost]

very helpful i lvoe you goat

[nimble bolt]

LOL love when that happens, or when you use a rune of removal and manage to remove the right affix but lose the max amount of FP

[candid elm]

You're welcome, Rune of Redemption is another option if there's a T7 suffix and the other suffix is a minion melee & bow/spell.

I personally haven't had much luck with that

[calm schooner]

You're making this sound like the item isn't gonna be at 0 FP after the 2nd Glyph

[blazing glacier]

It's not a binary (either you have targeting or you don't) problem, there are many systems and balances that already exist. I'm not suggesting to make progression easier, what I personally think end game needs is more agency and opportunity to invest effort/RNG into specific goals. "Roll a new character" to use a rare drop is not really what I mean.

EHG already has gone into this direction with the woven crafting echos, Turtle / Strife are examples of what I mean. These are great for agency. Strife can make a terrible roll unique into something useful. Turtle can take something with not enough LP to be a worthwhile upgrade and make it useful.

These are both end game gear sinks, I'm just suggesting a different type of gear sink.

[calm schooner]

IDK how we can call gambaing with Havoc / Chaos / Removal and praying to FP "agency"

I've also come across this on the Steam Store page and I think it's funny

[blazing glacier]

I think that's a separate discussion tbh. You can't have 0 rng or there is no ARPG imo

[candid elm]

You can use Glyph of Hope with everything except another Glyph like Despair/Chaos. So you can get lucky with that and random critical crafts.

But yeah, it's a lot of randomness

[calm schooner]

How do we jump from "Havoc / Chaos / Removal / FP isn't agency" to "So you want no RNG at all?"

[blazing glacier]

I didn't say that's what you wanted, my point was that you can have determinism and also failures

[candid elm]

If you've got suggestions or feedback, post them in #suggestions or #feedback . The devs do compile the player's input and review it

[icy drift]

I mean this is objectively true when it comes to things like affix shards as well as the lp system to an extent

as well as other mechanics

It doesn't say all upgrade mechanics are fully deterministic

[calm schooner]

Affix shards and the option to choose 1 are such a miniscule portion of the gigantic slot machine pull overall, it's still a vast misrepresentation

[icy drift]

I'd disagree

I think they're pretty major parts

[blazing glacier]

Basically what ARPG progression looks like is you want to get from A to B, the path from A to B is essentially deterministic in that you could eventually get to B given enough time and effort, where RNG comes in is how much variance is in each individuals journey from A to B.

Super deterministic would be A to B is fixed, it always takes the same amount of effort. Super RNG is that it might take one person 1m times more effort than another.

[calm schooner]

for Imprint crafting?

[icy drift]

In general

The crafting system as a whole is very deterministic, with the only rng elements being there for "saving" an item

[calm schooner]

Let's say you spend 5 hours in the campaign, then 20 more hours in normal mono and low corruption.
The remainder of your playtime is imprint farming.

[icy drift]

things like despair, chaos, removal, havoc and redemption are all used to "save" an item

[calm schooner]

And Imprint farming is "slam Havoc / Removal / Chaos and pray to FP"

[icy drift]

they make bad items have a second chance at life

but the crafting that just makes an item better (adding and upgrading affixes) is literally guaranteed every time. the only rng is fp cost

[calm schooner]

I agree with you if it's about campaign and low mono crafting

[icy drift]

but you can't "fail" upgrading an affix

[icy drift]

You're interpreting a sentence saying a thing exists in the system that's deterministic as the entire system being deterministic I feel

[blazing glacier]

Personally I think some pity system to prevent really long streaks of bad RNG wouldn't be a bad thing though.

Eg. Is in slormancer, if you roll an affix the previous outcome becomes blocked until you've cycled through every other outcome. So for havoc that could mean once you roll over a permutation you won't hit that again until you've seen every permutation

[calm schooner]

I'm saying that for the majority of the playtime, the system has close to 0 determinism.

[icy drift]

I guess it depends on how you use your time. I personally don't really chase 0,1% lp odds

Lowest I'll go is like 0.8% maybe. Usually anything lower than 1% I won't go for unless it's easy to grind out

[calm schooner]

I'm fine with the LP system, my issue is with Exalt Imprint crafting (aka your core gameplay loop after the first 30h or so), which basically entirely consiststs of slamming Havoc / Removal / Chaos and praying.

[icy drift]

So that one system isn't deterministic, but because it's such a major part of your overall progression the statement that the game features deterministic systems is false or even just misleading? xd

[blazing glacier]

I won't "chase" those odds either but if I did happen to get really lucky and get one naturally it would be nice if I had some options that eventually lead to a guaranteed outcome, even if the "cost" was 10x higher or how long it takes was highly variable

[icy drift]

Oh yeah I totally agree

I had this convo earlier with some others I think, I think you were there too right

[blazing glacier]

Yeah. It's like the imprint thing Lilith is talking about

[icy drift]

If we had some pinnacle boss or some other content or system that you either pay a big price or overcome a challenge/grind to get a guaranteed slam I'm all for it

just don't make it 300 havocs or something boring is my stance

[calm schooner]

If your core gameplay loop after the first 30h has 0 determinism, then presenting the game as deterministic is false, yes.

[blazing glacier]

Right now you brick 20 imprints trying to get a good base like no big deal. What if instead of just waiting for another base to throw into the trash bin like a disposable napkin you had a way to recycle ones you've already dropped

[icy drift]

If your imprint is your entire progression we just don't play the same way ig

[blazing glacier]

Maybe start over, not necessarily craft into the same item indefinitely as that would be direct power creep

[icy drift]

Yeah Imo whatever cost/boss/system they add should just revert the item to the lp it had

or just guarantee the slam, either works

but a guaranteed slams cost, especially for 3 lp should be steep

[blazing glacier]

What do you mean? After 1LPs are done it is just imprints though

[calm schooner]

^

[blazing glacier]

Steep and based on LP level.

[rocky rapids]

maybe i'm biased because the game used to be SO much less deterministic than it used to be but I actually think if you compare to 1.0 or beta the game is far more deterministic than it ever has been

[candid elm]

I agree. Crafting gets easier every major update

[icy drift]

A decent chunk of my uniques come from bosses

[meager junco]

25% of your slam being fixed is such huge player power

[rocky rapids]

and as we’ve introduced more determinism it seems to only move the needle as people consider the next “RNG ceiling” to be completely random

[calm schooner]

I wrote here, albeit in a slightly sarcastic tone, essentially the gameplay loop of imprint crafting step by step.
I see 0 determinism in this, it's just pure gamba.

[icy drift]

for the ones that don't yeah it's basically just imprint

[blazing glacier]

Tbh I don't think determinism and how good progression feels are directly linked. I think two systems with equal determinism could "feel" vastly different to the player depending on implementation

[icy drift]

but for the ones that do imprints don't do anything

So I really wouldn't say my entire progression is imprints

Outside of imprints you still also got your prophecies, raw drops, turtle and nemesis.

[calm schooner]

Let's say you play through campaign, do monos, get empowered, get you 1 LPs, do Aberroth.
You're like 30h in. What now?

[icy drift]

Keep going

push corruption

[calm schooner]

With imprint crafting

[icy drift]

farm the bosses you need to farm

A lot of the time not really no

[calm schooner]

hmm

[icy drift]

If i want a 2lp wings, or an lp primordial

imprints aren't helping me get that

the exalts for those are easy to get

don't need imprints for that either

Imprints are the main loop for world drop uniques

and multi exalt slam fodder

But that's not the whole game

[rocky rapids]

we used to have non-guaranteed 1LPs (which I have no interest in revisiting, to be clear) then the argument was “hitting your t7 is pure gamba” and now that a t7 is guaranteed instead of saying the game is more determenistic it just shifted the same argument to “hitting a second t7 is pure gamba”

[icy drift]

Basically my point is even if imprints were 100000000000000000000x more powerful and instantly gave you the best possible result there'd still be a lot of grinding left for a lot of builds.

[candid elm]

For example there's now:
1x guaranteed affix transfer.
Attribute swap for 1 FP, guaranteed.
Experimental craft for 1 FP, guaranteed.
Affix value rerolls on legendaries.
LP reroll, sure most are 0 LP, but even Nemesis Egg is an improvement chance now for regular 0 LP uniques.
Havocs are huge.
Redemption and now Envy give a chance that an item isn't immediately thrown out.
Set Reforge - although I wish there were more opportunities for this.
Idol enchants, re-enchants, and reforging.
Etc.

Compared to 1.0 and earlier crafting where your only options were really Despair/Removal and then hope on the 100% random Eternity Cache that you got anything at all

[rocky rapids]

also the absolute vast majority minmaxed builds can do all content in the game presently without the need for 2t7s, 2t7s are an aspirational ceiling that is rarely ever required

[calm schooner]

That's a whole separate topic though

[icy drift]

It's not?

[calm schooner]

So is the comparison to 1.0

[icy drift]

all those are deterministic systems

[rocky rapids]

how so

[icy drift]

that let you upgrade

[calm schooner]

Because how it used to be is irrelevant when I'm critiquing the status quo. It may have been worse before, but I fail to see how that devalues my point

[calm schooner]

I did specify Exalt crafting for >1 LP though.

[rocky rapids]

the reason I’m bringing up how it used to be is to highlight the fact that introducing more determinism hasn’t actually shifted this argument, it’s only raised the floor of what gear players expect to get to the next point at which more RNG is introduced.

[calm schooner]

Regardless of the past or how other systems in the game may be, if a system is "slam Havoc / Removal / Chaos and pray", I have no agency.

And this is your core gameplay loop once you have acquired your 1 LPs, for the next how many hundred hours you decide to play this char.

[meager junco]

you like the trove gameplay loop?

[icy drift]

Tbh I think the item imprints were a straight up mistake. The fact that they're relied upon as your main source of "good" items is super unhealthy for the game imo

[rocky rapids]

I disagree with your premise, but let’s assume I do agree. what content in the game are double t7s required for?

[icy drift]

0.9.8 was the golden age for loot in LE imo

[calm schooner]

That's a different topic. Which part do you disagree with though?

[candid elm]

Or to 1.1 that added Nemesis Egg. Letting you do something with regular uniques.

Or to 1.2 that added 1x guaranteed affix transfer, attribute swap guaranteed, experimental affix guaranteed, set reforge crafting, legendary values rerolls, LP rerolls, Havoc and Redemption, idol enchants and re-enchants, etc

Or to 1.3 that added guaranteed T8, Envy to change base type, idol rerolls, etc

I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff

Anyway, my opinion is that it's getting easier every major update. That's fine if it's not your opinion. Post your suggestions and feedback into #suggestions and #feedback if you want the devs to see it.

[rocky rapids]

it’s not necessarily, if they are not required to do any content they are aspirational chase items that can give players a high grind ceiling to absolutely minmax their characters

i disagree with the notion that getting 2LP double t7s is pure random, and I also disagree with your suggestion of how long it takes.

and I also view it as being fine for aspirational chase items to have high RNG, as otherwise there would be nothing to chase for.

[calm schooner]

Do you disagree with this part:

if a system is "slam Havoc / Removal / Chaos and pray", I have no agency.

[icy drift]

I agree with that statement

[icy drift]

but it has nothing to do with this

[rocky rapids]

sure, I would agree that you have no agency if that were true, but I think it’s an incredibly reductive way to view the large number of deterministic systems we have in the game.

[calm schooner]

Would you disagree that this is basically all you do after getting your 1 LPs?

[rocky rapids]

and I don’t agree that that is the entire system either.

[rocky rapids]

yes.

[calm schooner]

How else do you upgrade?

What remains after getting your 1 LP is getting your 2, 3, 4. And we need Exalts for that.

So is this not the stage where we imprint craft (and do the gameplay loop I mentioned) and spam troves?

[rocky rapids]

I think that havocs are an important tool for upgrading, particularly beyond 1LP, as are runes of removal and glyphs of chaos. but there is so much more that goes into obtaining those items especially if you want to obtain them efficiently that I view looking at it in that manner as a reductive view of 2LP+ farming.

[calm schooner]

Please elaborate

[blazing umbra]

I like imprint farming as a whole

What I don't like is that the optimization part of it as a whole feels stale currently

In a perfect world, imprinting should be "strong" in many different maps

[calm schooner]

I've seen the idea several times that Removals shouldn't cost FP.
Perhaps making Runes (Removal, Havoc) overall much less punishing could be the idea.

[icy drift]

Why though? are we weak?

[rocky rapids]

this is an incredibly complex topic. there’s RNG at every step (as is the case with every ARPG) but being efficient and experienced with the game means being able to manipulate RNG so the outcomes shift more in your favour to significantly increase the odds of desired outcomes. for example, obtaining your first double t7 drop is a huge layer of RNG here. if you just play normally, the amount of time it’s going to take you to even find a good double t7 starting point for your imprints is going to be extremely long. You’re clearly at the step where you’ve obtained your double t7 imprint bases, which means you probably understand the most efficient ways to obtain your different bases. this is true of every step of the process from obtaining your double t7 base to begin your imprint to refining your imprints, obtaining your desired uniques, and being able to maximize the likelihood of your desired outcome during a craft and slam.

[calm schooner]

To make them suck less to use

[icy drift]

or would you rather they nerf tier 7 affixes

and make it easier to achieve them

they can't just make all these things easier/better

we're already way too strong compared to the content we have

outside of uber abby

[desert tree]

🍿🍿

[icy drift]

even for uber abby there's a lot of builds that'll shit on him tbh lul

[calm schooner]

I agree, but I dont think that has much to do with my point of Runes currently sucking

Also I gotta read Daimonos one sec

[icy drift]

Idk I don't mind them

[desert tree]

I believe slams should be limited to 1t7+t5s

But that's my take

[icy drift]

Agree

[desert tree]

If you want multi t7/6 you use an exalted

[rocky rapids]

or 1 prefix 1 suffix

[icy drift]

Well tbh I think items in general just shouldn't be able to have multiple exalted affixes, or be limited to 1 prefix and 1 suffix at most

Or maybe let normal items be, but only be able to slam up to tier 5 or 6

[calm schooner]

I'm not opposed to reducing player power as a whole. I am not criticising that we are currently too weak either.
It's the system itself that I have issues with.
I'd welcome an adjustment to Runes.

[icy drift]

Well this would basically solve that

[calm schooner]

Yes

[icy drift]

it'd be way more determenistic to get the item you need if it's not a 4 T7 all bis affix item that you're chasing

[blazing glacier]

None of these things address the innate power of different items though. Thats the whole point of the LP system.

Having one T7 on Red Ring is a very different thing than one T7 on kestral or tongue ring

[desert tree]

Sorry, I don't really want to scroll back, what don't you like about runes?

[icy drift]

Yeah but on the kestral you can have 4 affixes

on red ring you can only have one

maybe two, but imo items should have an lp limit too

and rr for example should be limited to 1lp

if not 0 tbh

I'd be very down for a red ring buff and then just making it unable to have lp

make it even rarer too

[rocky rapids]

i’m in favor of LP caps but I think that’s perhaps a little extreme

[candid elm]

You know what I really like about LE crafting, not needing to use a site like craftofexile.com as a simulator to begin to figure out how to make an item

[blazing glacier]

LP limit is not the same as making the legendary though. I'm fine with a limit but that just changes perception of what's realistic if you aren't experienced enough to decide for yourself on a per item basis

[calm schooner]

The very condensed version is "Once you have acquired your 1 LPs, your core gameplay loop is Imprint crafting and Imprint farming, and what you do is 'slam Havoc / Removal / Chaos and pray'."

[desert tree]

One argument I have seen against that is, it will limit the amount of time people can sink in their character

[icy drift]

Don't try for a red ring then

same as people with limited time don't try for a mageblood

Pinnacle content and items are pinnacle for a reason

[desert tree]

If you limit the ceiling, you can invest less time

That's what I meant

[icy drift]

Sure but that's fine

[desert tree]

You get your RR and your char is done

[blazing glacier]

Why just make it impossible though? Even if I wouldn't farm for an item part of the excitement of ARPG is that you "could" get that giga drop at any moment

[icy drift]

Make it so rare that getting a red ring at all is the same as getting a 1lp red ring now

[desert tree]

Instead you could grind for a 3lp 💀

[rocky rapids]

based on the LE:O follow up i’m not entirely sure that is fine rn

[icy drift]

I mean I never said make it impossible

[blazing glacier]

You said limit though

[icy drift]

oh lp wise?

yes make it impossible

Like 1lp is still fine

but 2lp shouldn't even be a thing imo

because that's how you get people that feel entitled to it and complain that they can't get it

which we see a lot of

[desert tree]

Just give me garantied 3lp slams already

[icy drift]

make a 1lp red ring be the mirror of LE

there doesn't need to be something even rarer

[blazing glacier]

I'm fine with high limits that no one could realistically expect to farm. 2LP red ring for example I'm not sure where I would put that. It is technically farmable by a human

[icy drift]

Imo a maxed out character being achievable is fine

it's a seasonal game

you're not meant to spend a gazillion hours slowly getting 0.00001% more power every year worth of playtime

[blazing glacier]

Id say 3LP RR doesn't need to exist. If you need scientific notation to represent the drop chance it's probably fine to just have a hard cut off lmao

[oblique mulch]

Yus gimme guaranteed lp3 with -75% drop rate xdd

[calm schooner]

@blazing glacier I'm extremely curious what you think about "your core gameplay post 1 LPs is imprint crafting/farming" and "imprint crafting is slamming Havoc / Removal / Chaos and pray". Most of my introduction to anything, including crafting, in this game has come from you, so I'd like to hear your thoughts.

[icy drift]

If in 2-3 months as a blasted you can expect a literally BIS maxed out character that's fine by me

like 0 room for improvement

outside of maybe some rolls being a few percentages off

[blazing glacier]

I think imprints are just way too strong relative to everything else, personally.

[icy drift]

Same

[rocky rapids]

yeah I agree that the limit should be generous. 2LP for things like red ring/rav void etc should be fine

[calm schooner]

I'd be happy about Vlads suggestion of limiting slams to 1 T7 as well.
Getting a 75/55 is less of a soul sucking gambafest than a 77/55 is and also functions as a way to limit player power

[desert tree]

And it opens the choice a bit between exalts and legendary

[blazing glacier]

Basically every other source of drops that doesn't have any "similar" mechanic built in, each new layer of potential strength that exists puts imprints further above. Because that's another RNG check that has to pass without "similar" bonus.

Eg. If you want a double 77 for a slam, without imprints it's hard but I guess someone could do it with prophecies, nemesis and havoc.

Now add onto that a seal and maybe a good base type, not going to happen.

[desert tree]

Otherwise you never have a reason to go exalted since you can get one onto a unique

[rocky rapids]

the thing is, you also can’t just go in and put a LP limit based entirely LPL, you’d have to do it for each item individually because even two items with the same LPL can have vast differences in difficulty to obtain with LP

[icy drift]

Imo that's basically the same as no limit

who's getting a 3lp red ring right now xd

[rocky rapids]

2LP RR/rav void can currently be done though, especially if you play legacy

[calm schooner]

You should write that as a suggestion, I genuinely love the idea.

[icy drift]

Yes

a limit should actually limit something

lol

They can rebalance lp odds after

[blazing glacier]

I know we are talking about exalts specifically for imprints but also, good rolls on uniques with big roll ranges are actually insanely boosted by imprints.

[icy drift]

but 2lp red ring shouldn't be a thing imo

[desert tree]

Now, should they nerf imprint or boost the rest?

Or both?

[icy drift]

Just nerf imprints

[calm schooner]

if they just nerf imprints and keep the rest as is, it will suck even more

[icy drift]

Make them complementary instead of the main source

[rocky rapids]

it limits it to what can plausibly be obtained anyways

[rocky rapids]

change imprint trigger conditions so they can actually be reasonably obtained by doing a variety of content

[calm schooner]

if we had the one t7 limit on slams however, that would make the progress of obtaining slammable exalts for 2~4 lp uniques much more player friendly.

[desert tree]

This is very true

[rocky rapids]

that is the number 1 change that needs to happen to imprints imo

[blazing glacier]

I think both, the COF prophecy system needs an overhaul. It just sucks late game. It almost gets to the point where even rolling my prophecies is a less productive use of time than just farming more imprint procs. Literally the time it takes to spend the favor I already earned is barely worth it.

[calm schooner]

I use CoF rerolls for Havoc, because it is the main way I'm getting any at the moment

[rocky rapids]

only thing prophecies are worth for in super endgame anymore is idols and guess what the one item you can’t imprint is

[desert tree]

Rerolling proph makes me want to jump out of the window

[calm schooner]

same

[blazing glacier]

Prophecies are basically good for getting your imprint base

Lmao

[oblique mulch]

Don.t worry guys soon🤣

[rocky rapids]

guys we get 500 favor for joining cof now and they added like 5 new icons, CoF qol is saved!!!

[desert tree]

I am already not buying the item I want (and that's fine I like the loot explosion)
But ffs just let me buy the prophecies I want, and in bulk

Or a least press space bar to reroll faster

[blazing glacier]

Also the fact that exalt imprints basically don't get boosted by COF seems like an oversight.

[calm schooner]

I'm gonna write your idea in the suggestions now

[rocky rapids]

i think there should be some downtime (mike mentioned downtime between blasting sessions being important, and i agree) but reducing the downtime from an hour to 5-10 minutes would be so much better

turtle is the most fun downtime bc turtle gamba xd

[desert tree]

Oof

I hate it

[blazing glacier]

It would be a huge bandaid and I don't think it's the correct solution, but just replace the entire prophecy system with a few imprint sockets and I'll be happy

[desert tree]

I like what it does, but the ui/ux

Same with great bridge

And the reroll thingy

[rocky rapids]

I think honestly like ux changes would go a long way

ux changes and lens improvements are all that is really needed, imo

there was a long post someone made suggesting a bunch of lens changes back in season 2 and it was fantastic

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/s/mgDQOXPZjx

genuinely one of the best suggestions i’ve ever seen made about this game

[meager junco]

you mean keeping them?

[calm schooner]

I don't know why we can't just purchase prophecies from the vendor

[desert tree]

Lilith, just to bounce back on the suggestion you posted.
If you have a 7755 or 7655 or whatever, you can slam it. But only the t7 you locked will stay t7. The rest would go down

[cyan knoll]

It feels backwards, no? MG should have high baseline drops so they can sell shit, COF should have imprints and the prophecies (but no passive cof boosts)

[desert tree]

Maybe there is an argument for allowing multiple t6

[calm schooner]

I think only allowing 75/55 slams would elevate exalts more as a viable choice over allowing 76/66

I would love to see that idea implemented, there are so many benefits to it

[desert tree]

I meant 6/6 not 7/6

[calm schooner]

ah

[blazing glacier]

Yea thats what I mean

[blazing glacier]

Sure yeah actually, except for the things you can't target with prophecies like boss drops

[meager junco]

imagine the mg rage lol, 60-90% chance to retain a T7

[brazen remnant]

Is rogue easier to level looking for a faster class

[shut walrus]

hey I have a question... is gifting gold to a friend with the MG allowed?

[candid elm]

there's an older pin the MG channel that was posted by a previous community manager back when the game still had player to player trade that says

[candid elm]

player to player trade has since been removed and to help combat RMT and gold sellers, the devs do monitor trades on the Bazaar.

buying a junk item from your friend for millions and millions of gold will set of flags that it's a suspicious transaction, may be RMT, and can get your account banned

random example, this player sold a junk item for 230 million to a gold seller, got caught, and tried to argue their way out of it in the ask devs channel of all places #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[rocky rapids]

has anyone else experienced a bug where shared timeline progress is not available to their alt despite having unlocked empowered on a previous character? and if so is there a workaround?

[wraith moon]

Is anyone having issue with rubber banding? It’s kinda hard to enjoy the game.

[mighty adder]

trying to farm gear for my character, i tried to gloves on last epoch tools but find anything and max roll didnt have a dedicated farm info on it, is it just smt that is a world drop from bosses,chest etc

[meager junco]

that's 6 affixes:
need a double T7 item
make ias primordial
seal frailty (from a champion imprint or gylph of despair)

[mighty adder]

ahh i see cheers mate

[meager junco]

best shot is probably a non-champion imprint with plated gauntlets 2 T7 of stats/attack speed, frailty, and hybrid hp sealed

[mighty adder]

alr thanks

[mortal finch]

Is there any chance to buy S1 supporter pack ? I just miss it...

[teal ibex]

Do 'more damage' mods from skill trees apply to triggered skills (like multistrike triggering smite) or only subskills unique to that skill (like smite triggering fissure)?

[desert tree]

Only subskill

Unless specifically called

[barren beacon]

Hi I'm new to the game and haven't leveled any char past 50

is there a trading function in this game like poe trade?

[desert tree]

There is an auction house

[barren beacon]

is it feasible to buy some decent items while i'm still around 40-50?

[shy turret]

you unlock the auction house at chapter 9, so whenever you reach that you can start buying stuff. but you need to earn reputation to unlock ranks before you can buy anything useful

typically while doing the campaign and early monos, the game is ssf and people dont bother buying anything until later.

[barren beacon]

oh ffs

[shy turret]

the game is still tutorial mode at that stage, you dont really need to buy anything yet

there's a new item called a black market token though, so if there's a build defining unique that you need for your build to work, you can bypass the rank requirement and just buy it (assuming you can afford the gold)

[strange vector]

does leaving merchant’s guild permanently remove any unspent tokens from the account, or are they preserved if returning to MG later?

[icy drift]

Tokens stay afaik

Only favour gets removed

[formal osprey]

Man, his server tag is epic

Watch me get banned from it because I wrote that comment. GGG doing too little about trade friction and giving power to that server was one of like 4 times in 12 years I almost quit poe

[formal osprey]

• 2013-14: my irl friends got bored and quit
• 2018: I cut contact with my in-game poe-friends
• 2022 or something: realising RMT may be more rampant than I thought, items I was proud of crafting had significant odds to have been bought by RMTers, a discord allowed to act like a maffia and GGG showing weak or complacent (or corrupt) leadership about it (at first, though dev takes time I suppose)
• 2024: Jonathan seeming directly opposed to poe1 community

[storm wren]

I wonder what way available to avoid players to do rmt too

Why Poe 2 have so many people stay? Because they can get money from in-game items. It's a trade-based ARPG.

[blazing glacier]

Chris Wilson talked about this a bit in one of his videos, was pretty interesting. Of course they don't want people to know exactly how they detect people doing bad stuff because then the bad guys can use this info to better avoid detection. F2P also seems to have a bigger problem with RMT and bots since making an account is free.

[stone granite]

Free games will always have it worse for cheating and RMT, but honestly I don't feel like RMT affects me in any way in these games because I'm not competing with anyone

[blazing glacier]

It does affect you indirectly, unless you play SSF. There is more currency than otherwise would exist chasing a similar amount of items, except the extra currency is concentrated in the abusers. Basically items probably take more effort for you to buy as a non RMTer than if RMT didn't exist at all. I have no idea how much impact it actually has, might be nothing or huge.

Just saying that even as a non RMTer it's probably worth caring about it being dealt with in some way.

[formal osprey]

I guess it depends firstly whether you're MG. Even if you know what sells in a market when people RMT and can play on their inexperience, swiping mentality, and gross amount of resources, markets get skewed which often puts things out of balance (something the devs try to make sure is in a fun state). I'm not great at specifically that, but I've played ARPGs for 20k+ hours so I have heard countless people talk about the best strategies of (RMT)whale fishing. But when balance is broken, sure it's fun to predict and adapt to any market, except when nice things become completely unobtainable or pointlessly common for a cool fight that took a lot of dev time etc.

In CoF, I think it's mostly a question of how you communicate and what your mentality is. Relatively fundamental economics say that people compare themselves and their achievements to each other. You might be one of those people not on discord or just have a thick skin though. But baseline I'd assume a person is in fact affected by whether their gear (or something similar at least) is good compared to the people they chat with, although not always to a big extent

[blazing glacier]

I imagine the fomo factor in LE is lesser due to player power being less concentrated in gear in the first place vs PoE or whatever?

You don't really end up going from 1k DPS to 50B dps purely from gear, and even if you get 50B dps your gameplay isn't meaningfully different than someone with 50M dps since there isn't content to justify it, at least not with rewards that scale accordingly.

In PoE I look at the dudes with 30 mirror gear and it looks like they are playing a different game. Even the disposable content they run in 5 minutes costs more to enter than most people's builds

[formal osprey]

Yup

I think there are both benefits and negatives of a game where every league in poe can just take so long to progress to the end. LE would need more content, but there's probably a point where it becomes frustrating

I get fomo, or I just satisfy with making some off meta thing that's got justified choices from some perspective given the options I'm aware of. Usually the biggest reason is gear budget

[vernal relic]

Hello, I'm having issues selecting factions on alt characters. I started playing around original launch, and all of my character since have been on legacy, offline mode. The first alt I made I was able to acess factions at the first town as intended, but haven't been able to do so on any character I've made since -- I have to wait til chapter 9 to unlock them as I did on my first character. I've seen some discussion about this on 3rd party forums but no one seems to have found a fix. Been dealing with it for about 9 months

Anyone else experiencing this or know of a better place in this Discord to report bugs?

[formal osprey]

I assume you've tried to join the factions again with the same stash and it's not just your first character every season?

Or char found

Because every new stash needs a character to reach the factions in the story before MG hears about your alts by rumour or CoF sees your alts in prophecies, and they send that act 1 delegation

[vernal relic]

yes that's correct. I've never created a seasonal character or solo found character. When I open the factions tab, it tells me I have unmerged faction data and to visit the stash. I've tried the merge stash button at the stash but it doesn't solve the faction issue and I get the same message on the faction tab.

[formal osprey]

Ah, rip

That definitely sounds bugged

Bug report time

[barren stump]

How does a druid with Bark Skin (Spriggan>Bear transform) add time to thorn shield? I don't see any time being added at any point.

[barren stump]

haha https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1kd6x48/roar_of_the_woodland_still_not_working_2_year/
I think I got it

[soft cedar]

Hey, I haven't played since this game was EA years ago, and I'm a bit confused at some of the new content. How do I unlock the “Grand Brewery” Woven Echo from Masque in the Haven of Silk? The wiki/everything I google says it should be unlocked by now and available to vendor, and I need to farm it for the unique drop for an endgame piece I want. But I don't see it in the vendor list.

I've finished 8/10 of the Monoliths, I'm doing the Dragon one right now

[candid elm]

Grand Brewery woven echo can be found as a random drop, or purchased from Masque in Haven of Silk starting at Woven faction rank 6 for 2k Memory Amber, or from Cemetery of Reweaving where you can turn 3x unwanted woven echoes into a random one.

You can increase your Woven faction rank by gaining and spending Memory Amber. Each 1x gained or spent increases rep by 1.

If you don't need anything else from Skarven Bloodhorn NPC in the Rifts, one option is to purchase the bag of 5k Memory Amber. That would increase your Rep by 10k total as it's +5k when picked up and another +5k when you spend it.

[soft cedar]

That reads like ChatGPT haha. I think what I'm hearing is "If the vendor doesn't offer that echo, you need to increase your reputation/weaver points"?

Let me try another approach to asking this: Does the vendor (Masque) always sell ALL echos that you've unlocked? Or am I not seeing the Grand Brewery echo because it just wasn't in that particular batch?

[desert tree]

He always sell all the echoes he currently can

So you need to be rank 6 for masque to sell it

But it can drop before that

[candid elm]

😞 I don't use that and I'm not a bot. Sorry it wasn't helpful.

You can check your current faction rank by pushing Y key to open Faction Page and see what it lists for Woven. I'm going to guess that you're not rank 6 yet.

If you have a Cemetery of Reweaving woven echo, want to place that, run it, and throw some unwanted woven echoes in at the end, that could possibly spit one out.

That or just keep playing, maybe one will drop, or over time you can get your Woven faction up enough to purchase it.

[soft cedar]

AH why didn't I see this when I searched the wiki?! Thank you!

The faction rank 6 is what I'm missing!

[soft cedar]

Thank you! That's super helpful! And I was just being playful about the ChatGPT thing, no worries 🙂

[candid elm]

Try using https://www.lastepochtools.com and/or https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ instead. The wiki is outdated

[soft cedar]

Oh I was referring to lastepochtools, yeah. I thought that was the wiki 😅

[candid elm]

Ah ok, this page has a list of the woven echoes
https://www.lastepochtools.com/endgame/monolith/woven-echoes

[soft cedar]

Tysm

[candid elm]

The picture Vlad posted is from when you click on one

[calm schooner]

I'm curious what's considered the tankiest ranged build at the moment.

[storm wren]

hhhhhh It's beautiful :)

Like toucan has arrived

[candid elm]

Not sure about the most, but Reflect Shaman is tanky and hits enemies from range, although you do need to try to stay in front of them for Thicket of Blinding Light. If you're behind them, they're not looking at you or taking damage. I highly suspect Thicket will be nerfed or changed next major update, if you want to try it out before then

[storm wren]

You never use chatgpt for anything, right?

[candid elm]

No

It's hard to avoid AI crap now though, even doing a Google search gives you an AI summary as well

[storm wren]

AI searching is more convenient exactly

[candid elm]

The one thing I do like using, and I don't know if it's AI or just part of Messages on Android is the Photomoji thing. It just cuts out the background of photos and my wife and I use it for silly dog reactions in our texts

Such as

[candid elm]

Except when the summary is wrong or gives bad info

[storm wren]

The humorous style is as same as Wick just put a photo of "Mike is smiling" on the blog

Odd way to be humorous but it worked

Oh posted by Kain, not Wick. I mean that

[rocky rapids]

smite VK and bleed hammerdin are both exceptionally tanky

[clear swallow]

What of these pieces are an ABSOLUTE NECESSITY besides Stygian coal for this build to function at any capacity?

[sonic saddle]

Better off asking in #💀┃acolyte

[clear swallow]

Ok, thanks for the help

[sonic saddle]

But probably twisted heart

[candid elm]

Click on the Starting Gear tab for more basic gear. You'd need at least the Stygian Coal off hand to change Drain Life

[rocky rapids]

has anyone else experienced a bug where shared timeline progress is not available to their alt despite having unlocked empowered on a previous character? and if so is there a workaround?

[storm blaze]

You need to kill a harbinger on your alt
so go do one of the lvl 90 monoliths

[rocky rapids]

the level 90 timelines are locked. only fall of the outcasts is available. this has not been the case for any of my previous alts.

[storm blaze]

And you are in the same gamemode?
As in, you didn't suddenly change to solo character found or hardcore while playing softcore previously?

[rocky rapids]

correct. this is not a solo character found/solo account found or hardcore character. it still has access to my stash and faction ranks.

[storm blaze]

That's weird
I'd file a bug report.

As that should't be happening

[rocky rapids]

I have, but if it gets fixed, it’s not gonna be until season 4. that’s why I was hoping somebody had a workaround.

[harsh bridge]

Anyone know if the heath regen debuff associated with Damned debuff is flat, additive, or multiplicative?

[faint cape]

It applies 20% reduced Health Regen per stack (that is additive)

[harsh bridge]

So it can go negative?

[faint cape]

Yes, but I don't think negative health regen actually does anything

[void junco]

question about healing hands can i benefit from turn undead and halted scourge buff it says on allies i thought the player counted as an ally but i dont see the void or necrotic buff anywhere i am procing it thru smite

[stone granite]

An ally is someone other than yourself

[void junco]

thanks

[ripe wasp]

He was wrong

[void junco]

oh thanks a lot ye i was trying to figure it out cus even when i cast it on someone else they didnt see any buff so i couldnt figure it out

[ripe wasp]

Iirc not everything shows up as a buff. But I do know you count yourself as an ally for everything

[shy turret]

Is it legacy?

[rocky rapids]

no

[charred bolt]

an imprinting question, I've begun to feel that certain items are cursed and others are lucky. Anyone else noticed a large variance in 2T7 drop rates of different items when imprinting?

[desert tree]

That's wrong, you are your own ally

[desert tree]

Those 2 works but don't show a buff icon

[lean oar]

Got a question regarding the mutilate node on puncture

[desert tree]

Ask away

[lean oar]

I'm seeing the huge number from mutilate consuming my bleed stacks crit. It was my understanding that mutilate node is dealing the remaining damage of bleeds. Not converting that damage into a puncture hit. Is the crit just because the actual puncture hit crit?

Basically I thought it would only ever be a huge white number because dots can't crit

[desert tree]

Correct

[desert tree]

And correct again

[lean oar]

OK so I don't have to worry about scalling puncture damage

[desert tree]

Since numbers are combine for clarity, if at the same time you get a crit and a dot tick it shows yellow

[lean oar]

Yeah OK thats makes sense. I was worried I'd had some fundamental misunderstanding

Thanks for clearing that up

[desert tree]

Here I want to clarify smth

More Dmg nodes in Puncture skill tree will make Bleeds from Puncture do more Dmg

Same thing if there is a stats that says "Increase Puncture Dmg". I don't play rogue so I don't know if it's a thing, but I Sentinel we have Inc Smite Dmg on idols

I don't know if that relevant in your case, but it's worth mentioning

[lean oar]

I'm applying the bleeds primarily with umbral blades and just consuming them with puncture. So I've forgone most of the Scalling of puncture

[desert tree]

OK perfect

This stands for UB too

[floral finch]

damned nemesis cooking, 3 wildfire amulets and all bricked ffs. is there any really fast way to farm bones and stuff to buy those?

[desert tree]

Double Imprint the echo with one big beast I believe gives a lot of bones

You can also get the gold blessing

And get Zerrick in your echoes for extra gold > extra bones if you fight a beast

The node in the WW tree that gives beasts a pack of mobs is nice too, because they drop bones

[quiet wolf]

so is there any way to make it that only evade uses wasd direction? shift (rogue movement) is unplayable like this for me.

[storm wren]

Why my panel looks like that, no slide bar for performance

#💬┃general message I can't find that

We use the same version of app?...

[deep moon]

Not as far as I know. The 3 drop-down options for movement abilities in the settings all we have right now. Hoping they'll make what you request an option for the next patch coz it's a really popular request and I want to too

[rigid delta]

Can someone help me understand how to keep companions alive at high corruption?

[teal ibex]

Any ways to decrease enemy attack/cast speed apart from chill?

Class doesn't matter. I'm just remembering the halcyon days of temporal chains, curse effect, chill effect vortex occultist and wondering if I can recreate slow-motion bosses

[icy drift]

nope

[teal ibex]

Tragic. I'd hoped I'd overlooked something

[icy drift]

Even if you hadn't there wouldn't be anything that lets you get to that level. But yeah you didn't

[desert tree]

Attribute stacking, Inc Minion Hp, giving aspect of the Boar and a way to sustain (some leech most likely)

[icy drift]

I highly doubt we'll ever get to that point

[teal ibex]

It was very funny. Spoiled me for learning Sirius on other classes

[queen python]

Hi all I don’t mean to be cheeky but does anyone have any spare leveling items please I’m doing a shaman build I have just started after a long time away thank you 🙂

[shut walrus]

doing the campaign can be done easily by just picking up the rares that drop

[queen python]

Cheers buddy thank you 🙂

[shut walrus]

no problem 🙂

[high tusk]

Can torn rifts (Riftbeast side zones) spawn on woven echoes like Unclaimed Troves and Cemeteries of Weaving?

Anecdotally, I feel like they don't, but I'm unsure if I'm just not paying attention.

[rocky rapids]

no.

[cloud summit]

<@&1161418687471956101> there is some weird spamming going on in multiple channels

[undone otter]

[turbid lark]

where do i get temperal sanctum keys? i have lots of LP not being used, and i have never found a key. Level 74 Marksman.

[uneven oak]

Keys are all drops from mobs in the world. If you are not in endgame yet drops can be on the rarer side so if you get unlucky its not uncommon to go dry until you hit empowered monoliths

Timeline bosses or arena rewards are probably your best bet. Item Rarity should have an effect on the drop rate / if multiple drop at a time

[uneven oak]

This just looks liek Dread Shade

I wasnt at the stream and haven't played Necro in awhile tho

[storm wren]

!?

When Dread shade become this shape?... lol I can't recognize it at all

[uneven oak]

some aura around minions is like 99% Dread Shade in most cases

[storm wren]

Make sense, just this shade which for minions is necrotic

[uneven oak]

im sure his skill bar would show you

[storm wren]

lol my impression for dread shade stay at a ghost floating at the head of a minion

[desert tree]

Pretty sure that's a mtx

[storm wren]

This is a normal dread shade

Oh. Don't know it have mtx...

[uneven oak]

you can confirm if its the mts by checking in the store

[turbid lark]

is there a way i can turn a rare into an exalted? or its not like magic>rare?

[uneven oak]

Exalted is drop only

[turbid lark]

ok thankyou

[storm wren]

hhhhhhhhhh 😅

I just finding skill mtx which match with that

Oh get it. Thanks, Vlad

No idea what the floating stuff is yet, though

[desert tree]

Puppeteer ???

Like the hand that move a puppet

[storm wren]

Ohhhhhh... Appreciate it so much. So they're hands

🤔 Interesting concept it have

[desert tree]

Kinda classic puppeteer idk

[storm wren]

I'll never think about that without le

[desert tree]

Maybe its a popular thing in the west

[storm wren]

it remind me of shadow play

A historical way to enjoy animation

Like that, but it's closed to be disappeared because too less people want to learn and enjoy that. We have phones now, we don't need this way to get fun anymore... Such a pity

Yes, it's the most interesting and cool mtx I seen. Puppeteer is quite cool in game

[turbid lark]

does anyone know why my damage on killing stuff is only in the 1-6k damage range? im a fully built heartseeker rogue. are the "damage numbers" broken for heartseeker or something?

[verbal fable]

is there a german speaking ... need support

[icy drift]

Enemies have 87% damage reduction at area level 100

[icy drift]

If it's a technical issue please open a support ticket

!support

[ripe brook]

Anything we can help with? We've support articles and a contact form at https://support.lastepoch.com/.

[calm schooner]

I've been wondering why the Rahyeh we fight deals Void damage and is Void related, when the whole Rahyeh conflict was in the Divine era, and Void is associated with the Ruined Era.
Does it imply that Orobyss corrupted / manipulated Rahyeh into starting the war in the first place?

[toxic echo]

it does imply this, yes, but its not specified yet. assuming that this is part of the missing 2 chapters....or it could just be a very later version of rahyeh that was corrupted after the war

[calm schooner]

That's a pretty big plot twist

[latent saddle]

What's this little plus sign and the number that let me add stability about?

Is it just free stability? How does the number recharge?

[calm schooner]

Temporal Keystones let you add stability.

In the Temple in the Sky, Eterra refers to the Observer as "my brother". Is this meant literally?

[latent saddle]

Thanks!

[chrome quail]

Two questions: what is the impactfulness of fire penetration (or any) in terms of damage? Is it worth investing in for a fire damage build, or is it conditional? Is less damage taken stats cumulative? If I have two red rings do I add the less damage stats on both?

[toxic echo]

pen is essentially a more modifier, its always useful. though all stats are conditional cuz something else might be more useful in terms of dmg/easier to get

dr isnt cumulative. so if you have 2 rings 100-10%=90-10%=81%

[chrome quail]

Thanks! I am not a math brain but why is 90-10 =81 and not 80?

[toxic echo]

10%

not 10

[desert tree]

It's 10% less dmg, so it's multiplicative
The math is like this
100% x 0.9 x 0.9 = 81%

[brisk zenith]

Hello travelers,

TLDR: please help me find a build, not brainless 1 button, not piano.

I’m a relatively new player on LE (second season playing) and admittedly I dont have much time to play, so I have not been able to explore much. I also don’t watch build guides because I want to find my own.
However I’ve had a hard time finding an engaging build so I’m asking for advice here.
Last season I played chaos bolt + fissures warlock and it was awesome. This season I’m trying Flay reaper and it’s honestly boring. Also tried sprigan druid but it was simple and not engaging.

[stone granite]

maybe judgement paladin?

or melee void knight

[faint cape]

The Rahyeh we fight in the Black Sun timeline is resurrected by Orobyss at the end of the Imperial Era, long after he was killed at the end of the Divine Era. Also note that the monolith timelines are alternate "what if" stories that don't happen in the main timeline/campaign.

[cyan knoll]

LB runemaster might be for you if you enjoyed fissures warlock.

[brisk zenith]

LB being the main skill and the traversal proccing runic invocation?

[cyan knoll]

RI optional, but usually there's space for it.

[desert tree]

Multistrike + Smite Paladin/ VK
Storm Crow Beast Master

[teal cobalt]

question about the prestige/elite/ect (whatever you wanna call em) classes. do i naturally get access by going through the story or is it just like a set level requirement type deal?

[faint cape]

It is part of the story quest

[teal cobalt]

thank you 🙂

what's odd is i think i just got there in the story. LOL

honestly thought it should've taken me more than 2.5 hours of play to get to it but that is just me

[faint cape]

Nice! lol

[teal cobalt]

now to wait till i can put points into said mastery class 😉

[high tusk]

Can someone explain what Incubated Silk does? Does the enemy inside provide more Memory Amber? Or is the value of this node to avoid the little scurrying bug in inside?

[dull wing]

Hey all I lost my in store cosmetics does anybody know what happened?

the game community decided to troll me instead of help lol

[toxic echo]

!support

[ripe brook]

Anything we can help with? We've support articles and a contact form at https://support.lastepoch.com/.

[icy drift]

Maybe try to verify the Integrity of your files. Outside of that I'd contact support

[dull wing]

yeah none of my DLC is showing up

[calm schooner]

Does Oerden's Watch allow me to swap my Legendarys Attunement to Intelligence or does it not work with Legendaries?

[desert tree]

Nope

[calm schooner]

rip

Why are some item icons yellow and others white in the prophecies?

[desert tree]

White icons are for generic types

Like White body armor means "Armor"

Instead of Body armor

[calm schooner]

oooh ok

[void pulsar]

the seasons content, are cumulative? im just starting S3 with a new season character (already lvl 54), but i couldn't find any tomb from past season. 🤔

[candid elm]

Yes, Tombs and Cemeteries are still there. But you won't get a Torn Rift - yellow-ish color with an Ancient Era side area - in the same area with a content like the Tombs side area. But you can get Mysterious Rifts - green-ish with just Rift Beast.

If you haven't found any Tombs or Cemeteries, keep going and you'll find some sooner or later

[narrow harbor]

guys where do you farm rehyeh's light

[soft cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRgLMCsDMQ

[high tusk]

Also COF - prophecies for Unique Shield

[hidden mortar]

Heya guys

new player here.

May I know when finish season 3?

Also when will start the new season

[icy drift]

It'll be in a couple months or so

And season 4 starts when season 3 ends

[hidden mortar]

thanks buddy

May I know if the content of the season will be available also in offline mode?

[icy drift]

Yes

All content is available in all modes on release

[turbid lark]

Understandable, but I clear stuff basically one shot in my monoliths at the moment, but it still shows low damage text, when sheet damage of my heartseeker shows at least 32k

[cyan knoll]

If your base attack rate is lower than 1.00 it's natural for each hit to be smaller than your dps estimate value (also taking into account thing like armor, resists, etc.)

[turbid lark]

what im saying is i kill super fast, even with 1 or 2 attacks. i kill faster than my brothers necro that hits average 1m crit. its displaying less than 5k hit damage, i just think the damage displayed from heartseeker is wrong XD

[cyan knoll]

What number are you expecting to see?

[turbid lark]

at level 80, not 3-5k hits lmao

[cyan knoll]

At level 80 that sounds about right. Especially with starter gear.

[turbid lark]

are you naturally negative? lmao - why are u assuming i have starter gear XD

[fallen parcel]

Cause at level 80 you have very basic gear unless you have boosted slammed gear from an alt thats why,idk why you get mad🤣

[cyan knoll]

Yeah, level 80 is day 1 stuff when your char is less than 24hrs and you're at or below 100 corr.

If you had blasting gear the higher speed and XP would naturally push you to 92-94.

[storm wren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/s/kLZ0uUhPM7

Take a note here... What a detailed review is 👍

[frigid walrus]

anyone know why i'm not seeing rifts once i get to echos?

[desert tree]

Unlucky ? Or maybe not exploring enough ?

[frigid walrus]

i've cleard 2 monoliths, can't remember seeing any since i left the quest line

[desert tree]

They are not garantied

So probably unlucky streak

[frigid walrus]

just didn't know if there was something i needed to do, a known bug, or anything else i just didn't understand about them

[desert tree]

Do,nt need to do anything special
No bug that I am aware of

The spawn rate scale with area lvl and corruption iirc

[frigid walrus]

ok, thanks man

[next shore]

I get infinite loading screens when transitioning between zones about 20% of the time, and "echo already in progress" error from time to time. Tried checking steam files and moving the game to another drive

[turbid lark]

with the Nemesis thing... the Egg of the forgotten.. if i put an item in that, does the item disappear? like can i put my weapon in it and then do the upgrade feature? or do i have to use a duplicate item?

[desert tree]

You have to use a duplicate

You actively put your items in the egg

[turbid lark]

okay thankyou, i guess ill buy a basic version of my bow, and hope to roll something cool on it! LD thanks

[storm wren]

My understanding: A game dev team which own a pay-to-play game without any subscriptions or poor mtx sales will not have power to fix bugs because these bugs just inflect endgame, endgame is what core players (poor percentage of all players) plays only, which mean less potential to get money from them.

🤔 ...That's a good bomb to explode the player's mood if it spoke from the dev side

[livid bolt]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/multistrike/tree is the Blitz node (on the right) working also for additionnal swords ?

[icy drift]

1 000 - 6 000/0.13 = 7 700 - 46 000 so it checks out

Sheet DPS doesn't take monster DR into account

[gilded sentinel]

what is ASDASD?

[paper magnet]

Doesn't look like any Last Epoch item I've ever seen

[gilded sentinel]

i have this text on every other item

maybe localisation error

also in russian translation most interface button names don't start with capital letters

[desert tree]

This most likely

[faint cape]

Look at the game's chat window when you first enter an echo, if there's a rift anywhere in that echo, it prints a message about a nearby rift right after loading in, so you know to look for one

[crystal jackal]

@wintry oyster why do you stack time rot duration with idols if cycle of decay in anomaly is bugged and does nothing?

[wintry oyster]

do you want to do 100 damage over 3 seconds or 300 damage over 9 seconds?

[crystal jackal]

nothing in your vid survives 9 sec 😅

[wintry oyster]

when you press anomaly your dots bleed out immediately

so you'd cash out 300 damage with a 9 seconds dot instead of 100 for a 3 seconds dot

[crystal jackal]

ah, so it does work even with the bugged version of quicksand

[wintry oyster]

even if quicksand wasn't bugged you'd want enough duration to have full uptime on your rot

which you would not have with javelin and no duration increase

[crystal jackal]

since im dev orb version, they keep reapplying

[wintry oyster]

im not familiar with big dev orb

[crystal jackal]

it just stands there and keeps appying TR evet sec

every

anyway, just killed normal aby with the build last night in HC

[desert tree]

Gg!

[wintry oyster]

nice

so you have 1 orb applying time rot every second for its duration?

what's the "cooldown" on that orb

[crystal jackal]

yeah, I spawn 8 orbs and then consume them to make a big orb with this node in dev orb

[desert tree]

That node confuses me a bit

[crystal jackal]

have scuffed gear, the CD right now is 2,9seconds, but you need to cast it 4 times before you can make a new big one again

[desert tree]

With the less dmg per Orb

Is it additive or multiplicative with it self

[wintry oyster]

should be additive

[desert tree]

Because the exemple says 3 Orb get 12% less dmg

[crystal jackal]

8x100 and 8*6 when I consume 8

[wintry oyster]

i mean 0.88 damage multiplier doesnt check out with either way of doing the math lol

[crystal jackal]

hmm, I dind't even read that...that has to be a typo though 🤔

[wintry oyster]

prob a mistake

[desert tree]

Is 8 the sweet spot?

[wintry oyster]

ye

[crystal jackal]

yes, but 6 and 10 are not far off

and I pretty much always have an even amount of orbs due to this one in volatile reversal, unless I f something up

[desert tree]

Yeah I used that too when I tried to make Spell DoT DOrb

[desert tree]

Is that with additive or multiplicative?

[wintry oyster]

additive

multiplicative (but im pretty sure it's not)

but ye i think dev orb doesnt technically need duration aside from quicksand

like u should have over 400% timerot chance which is 4 stacks per second, so 12 stacks over 3 seconds which is the base duration for timerot

assuming you have full uptime on that dev orb

but ofc in practice quicksand exists

[crystal jackal]

at 300c now and everything insta dies that's not a boss. regular trash even dies from 1 regualr orb

so I think durtaion might be the play even for this build

[wintry oyster]

ye i use normal dev orbs to clear trash

[faint cape]

The stacks are not multiplicative with each other, but the total more damage and less damage multis are multiplicative with each other, so the first one is right

[wintry oyster]

yeah the question was whether stacks were multiplicative with each other (for the -6% line specifically)

now what i want to know is hypothetically if you consumed 20 dev orbs, is there a world in which you can heal your enemies 🤔

[icy drift]

Negative damage doesn't heal, it would just not do any damage

[wintry oyster]

yeah i figured

but since i don't know of any other way to do negative damage i was wondering if that was actually coded into the game 🤔

[crystal jackal]

guess I've reached the point in the char progression where the game actively starts to try to get you to rage quit again.

[shut walrus]

why does my lastepochtools planner say I have 58% movespeed? I have 108% in game

[crystal jackal]

mouse over it, it shows you which sources it counts

if you have crab ring for instance, that's not counted. or anything coming from spells

[shut walrus]

ohh i have crab ring and shattered worlds

that must be why

has anyone had the bug when they start a fresh echo sometimes for the first 5 seconds the enemies are invisible? I already reported this with f8 like 2 weeks ago

[icy drift]

I get that sometimes but not for 5 seconds, maybe 2 max

[shut walrus]

for me its definitely at least 5 seconds. I actually go out and using my sync strike + shadow cascade and can kill invisible enemies that drop loot.

[loud lion]

Can Egg give more than 2 LP on an item ?

[sonic saddle]

Yes

Is rare tho

Just like regular 3lp drops

Also how rare depends on the item

[loud lion]

Hmm im trying to figure out the process to get better stats on items.. do people turtle 1LPs first and try to get multiple LP2 before trying to increase base stats of an item? And if bricked getting LP through an egg can those be sacrificed to increase another LP item?

[icy drift]

Depends on the lpl

If you're CoF you can roll stats on uniques that have 20 or lower lpl before putting them in the egg

[sonic saddle]

In general i'd get a bunch, get them all egg'd, use the ones that get affixes to reroll bad rolls to try and get better rolls, turtle everything

Repeat

[icy drift]

if they're above 20lpl just get the lp first

or if you're mg

[loud lion]

Thought you couldnt turtle items that LP is already on

[sonic saddle]

It's the opposite

[icy drift]

You can't egg items with lp

[sonic saddle]

You can only turtle things that have lp

[icy drift]

turtle it has to have lp

at under 20 lpl if you have the CoF bonus you can loop them forever

If what frozen said about the egg lp roll function is accurate. I haven't checked it myself but I trust him

and it's consistent with pretty much all other lp roll functions

[loud lion]

Sorry for me when you say LPL im getting lost my b.. im thinking like 1-4 LP... you are obviously talking about something else

[icy drift]

LPL is the effective level of the item when it comes to rolling lp

higher lpl makes getting lp rarer

Like an item can have a level requirement of 70 but an lpl of 0, making is extremely easy to get lp

even guaranteed with CoF

[loud lion]

Hmm ok another dumb question how do you check LPL?

[icy drift]

You can't in-game

you have to look it up on a third party site like le tools

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/unique

Level for legendary potential is lpl

[loud lion]

Appreciate it ill check it out.. if they are LPL over 20/21 though at that point the process would end up being a bit different

[icy drift]

yeah at 21+ lpl I'd roll for lp first using egg and turtle

[loud lion]

Basically because through egg even if turtle bums it, its almost a guaranteed LP

[icy drift]

since egg won't always give lp

[loud lion]

Gotcha ty

[sonic saddle]

Counterpoint: if it's higher LPL you really don't wanna roll high LP on a bad roll

Cos you get less opportunities to reroll it

[icy drift]

Yes but you get less chances at that higher lp if you do that

since you gotta sacrifice potential turtle fodder

frozen mathed it out I think

[loud lion]

what if you have for example a high LP item that dropped with bad rolls?

[sonic saddle]

Egg others, use results that have that many or more affix rolls to reroll

[loud lion]

gotcha... how about weaver tree? higher LP or better stats?

if you had to choose one or the other*

[icy drift]

The thing is high lpl uniques will often become legendaries when you egg them too, which you can use as reroll fodder

it's not unusual to get 2 affixes on fairly high lpl uniques

[loud lion]

k I appreciate your guys help ty makes a bit more sense now.

[sonic saddle]

Not really sure what you're asking here, the weaver tree doesn't really offer that choice

[loud lion]

imprinting*

would you imprint a higher LP lets say LP3 or an LP1 with better base rolls

[sonic saddle]

Ah, hmmm

Depends on the item and/or your build and/or your goals

If the item has a singular critical stat you'd rather get more that drop with that stat being high

[loud lion]

gotcha

[faint cape]

@wintry oyster Posting here to not dissuade Mike from pulling up more actual numbers. Potion drops are not super simple, this is what I have on them from patch notes etc.
When a potion tries to drop, it checks a 16 radius circle around it (pretty huge area). If there are any potions already in that area, 12% chance to cancel the drop. If there are enough potions already on the ground to bring you to full potions, 85% chance to cancel the drop.
There might also be a simple full/not full check, not sure on that.
We don't know the base drop rate yet nor the drop chance on damaging a boss. Bosses have a rate limit as well.

[wintry oyster]

thank you

[meager frost]

what should be the first thing i farm for?
this is vk wp

[shut walrus]

shouldnt i be losing gaze of orobyss if I die in confluence of oblivion?

[hearty scarab]

Hey I'm pretty new. I need the helmet "chorus of the anurok" how to farm a unique the best way?

[fallow geyser]

This one is a primordial unique so you can‘t get it the usual way, need to hunt rift beasts for it to drop/buy from vendor.

[storm blaze]

Think it was made in 1.2 that you no longer lose gazes if you die there

[open marten]

Hi guys, does anoyone Has issue like i do? I try to play LE on Lenovo legion go, i select Full offline mode, but Once i am in the Menu everything stutters like hell, even the music (basically cant even click on anything) ... I verified files, re-installed the game, nothing seems to work

[icy drift]

If you have an nvidia gpu go into the nividia app and "revert" the optimization it does on the game

same thing goes for amd gpu's and adrenaline

[open marten]

I have AMD adrenalin, what do u mean by reverting optimalization?

I set Up a performance settings for LE

Or how to revert it ? Im kinda noob in these things

[icy drift]

Sorry I don't have adrenaline (I'm on an nvidia gpu) so I'm not sure how it looks there. Basically just try to turn off any control it has over Last epochs settings

[open marten]

I see, will try...

Because i did play the game before on different handheld and it worked

[teal cobalt]

why is the ingame lfg chat channel so useless?

[oblique mulch]

cuz game kinda dead atm and also most ppl don,t wanna team up n play solo instead🤣

[teal cobalt]

what a fookin joke

[oblique mulch]

i ounce was looking for trove sharing farm in lfg and IG chat for 40min until i found guy who wanna team up xd

[teal cobalt]

might as well go back to playing diablo

at least last time i touched that game it had a functioning lfg system and not just a channel XD

[native sail]

The vast majority of ARPG players don't really play in parties, it's rather uncommon for any player to player interaction to be longer than just trading an item

[mystic kraken]

hello people im a beginner and i really wanted play the primal serpent , its a subnod of serpent strike sadly , i see no one build this on internet , so do you have any idea or suggestion ? for exemple copy the scorpion venom build a little bit or try the nod that do poison penetration to us and all primal serpent , really thanks you for the help u can give to me

[chrome quail]

is the dps calculator for skills remotely accurate?

[crystal jackal]

yes and no.
if the number get higher, than yes, it's more dmg.
but there are a lot of things for certain skills that's not included in the DPS calc. so the DPS number on the tooltip wouldn't chance even if your dmg increases.

so the problems is if you swap a piece of gear with something that's not included for something that's included.

And as for the actual DPS number, it's not comperable between skills

[chrome quail]

i have flame reave at something like 160k dps (with enchant weapon on), but on the practice dummies its substantially less (40kish on crit), but more in the 10k on crit for non bosses

quite a spread

[crystal jackal]

yeah, you can only use that number to see if a gear change is making it bigger or lower. (as long as all the stats are calculated)
you can't translate it into actual dmg numbers in the game

so, target dummies have 0% dmg reduction, while actual mobs have that scaling with area lvl. and I think bosses have aditional scaling.
so if you want to compare 2 skills or 2 setups, always do it on the same target dummy.

[chrome quail]

oh fair point. i suspected as much. im still working on the build but im closing in on full murder everything. I will keep this in mind.

[toxic echo]

Also keep in mind that the 'dps' number takes into account crit and dot dmgs

And attack speed

[chrome quail]

how does it account for stacking damage?

i could have 20 or 50 ignite for instance which is different damage

[toxic echo]

So like if you have enough speed to lets say hit 4 times a second (with the return reave)..40kx4 is fairly accurate

Idk the exact formula is uses for dots and such

Ik it skews the dps.shown a bit tho

[chrome quail]

gotcha. i havent put the return reave in yet. thank you.

bossing is really the only hold up im having right now.

[sleek parcel]

Anyone having performance issue with Windows? Like suddenly the games slow down a lot for 2-3 seconds

[meager frost]

? :3

[icy drift]

The arena boots

or added void damage movespeed boots

I can't remember for sure but I'm pretty sure vaion's chariot works with wp

You'll be faster with darkstrides though

[meager frost]

Thank you friend

[terse pecan]

The 1% increase to damage per 1% movement speed boots (Vaion's). How are these not being used more? Is it personal damage that does nothing for for minion builds? Global damage? Surely insane late game as you get shattered worlds relic etc? Im at 140% MS on Bearmaster for example. Thoughts?

[storm blaze]

in general if it doesn't specify minions it doesn't apply to minions in any way

[desert tree]

You get 1 boosted tick of WP every 3 sec

[desert tree]

1. Its just for you
2. Even for you its not that amazing, when you already 1000-1500 Inc Dmg

[icy drift]

Really? That's interesting that it works that way

[icy drift]

140% increased damage is like a 10% actual damage increase for most builds. It's not that crazy

[terse pecan]

Fair enough but if im at 1000% increased damage and get 100% increased damage i would be at 2000% increased damage, atleast my mind wants it so bad lol

[desert tree]

Yeah, I think Mike said its because its a channeled moving skill . Nothing Snapshot there

[icy drift]

No you'd be at 1100%

It's additive

[desert tree]

Thats not how Increased Dmg works

[icy drift]

Interesting since a lot of channel skills do snapshot still

[desert tree]

Yes

[icy drift]

But I know warpath is a bit special

[desert tree]

Also Warpath scale with AS

[icy drift]

Ye

[desert tree]

Where other channeled dont

channel my inner Mike

Well technically they do, but not the way you want them

[icy drift]

bruh

I can believe that it's the first hit. But I wanna test it myself

but at the same time I don't wanna do arena

[desert tree]

I might have a pair

Let me check

Also there is a woven echo now

[icy drift]

o yea true

[desert tree]

Well I dont have a pair

And its time for me to go get my kid from school

[icy drift]

Yeah I don't have one either lul

[desert tree]

That shows how popular arena is 😂

[icy drift]

yep lmao

[quick crypt]

I am relativly new to LE and played 50h without knowing the game so i found out how to price check my items. Is that an accurate pricing?

[crystal jackal]

can you unlink a stash tab after duplicating it?
so that you can change just 1 think on it instead of having to setup up everything from scratch?

[icy drift]

seems about right

[austere peak]

Hey everyone, I'm playing sentinel, if I create a legendary relic with the mana affix from this mage relic, will the mage class requirement carry over to the legendary or will I be able to use the legendary with mana affix on the sentinel normally?

[icy drift]

No, mana on relics is not a mage only affix

the mage class restriction would only carry over if the frost claw affix got moved over, since that's a mage only affix

[faint cape]

As long as you don't transfer the frost claw affix, the relic's class requirements will not change.
Also, you won't be able to combine that exalt with a unique item that already requires sentinel.

[blazing glacier]

yea pretty sure focus still worked this way

wp weird angle

[icy drift]

Yeah I'll have to test wp to make sure it doesn't snapshot since Mike has given mixed answers

[faint cape]

iirc each hit (well, swing I guess would be the better term?) is a separate skill proc, but haven't played around with it in a while

[icy drift]

That would make sense with how wp behaves

[hidden mortar]

hey guys...the cosmetics that I bought, can be use in offline mode too?

[high tusk]

Yes, it should work in offline as well.

[candid elm]

Yes, they work in offline now as well after the 1.3 update. But note that if you're playing in Full Offline mode, you'll need to log into regular offline or online once for the cosmetics to register and become available in Full Offline.

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-beneath-ancient-skies-patch-notes/78635#heading--cosmetics-improvements

[nimble bolt]

how does the exquisite blood node in flay interact with things like this as well as the necrotic conversion? if i take both does it become a necrotic explosion instead of a blood explosion? and will I still get the reduced reaper form cooldown from this node if its been converted to a spell?

[chrome quail]

Hey there. Via idols I have added +8 to fire damage, is the change to that reflected somewhere in the character sheet? Also I have reliquary nest, so does increased effect have any effect on a +damage mod?

[harsh bridge]

Does an aura effect that applies ailments count as 'hitting'?

[shy turret]

take it with a grain of salt. the auto price checker otten auto populates fields that aren't important to the item, so it limits the results too much. if you get one result only, your item is either extremely rare or the filters automatically applied are way too strict and you need to remove some of the ones that arent important, or lower the auto populated numbers by a notch or two. if you have a maxed out stat, then it puts that as the minimum (sometimes that is even incorrect, because of rounding). that in combination with all the other auto populated stats gives a result that isn't really correct in the context of what that item is worth. Also, if you see an item that was listed 29 days ago and hasn't sold, there's a reason why it hasn't sold in 29 days. it's either extremely overpriced or extremely rare. 1lp nihilis is not rare at all.

[ripe wasp]

You would need soul ripper to convert it to necrotic explosions and it will replace the bleed/physical explosions. You won't get the melee dmg for macabre dance but you can still reduce the cooldown of reaper form

[nimble bolt]

Awesome thank you, the cooldown was primarily what I cared about

[faint cape]

No. Generally speaking, things hit when they deal non-DOT damage.

[unique locust]

I'm running into an issue where the cosmetics I apply are not retained after the game is closed. I have toggled the Steam Cloud, verified files, even uninstalled and reinstalled and still not luck.

Any suggestions on how to fix?

[faint cape]

If there was a stat line for it in the char sheet, it would show up there, but pretty sure it's not in the char sheet.
Yes, reliquary nest affects all stats on your non-unique idols; it multiplies whichever part of the stat has a roll range.

[near vale]

At what level do you think a non-LP Harmony of the First outlives its usefulness?

[ripe wasp]

Depends on the build but for melee it could prob carry to empowered. Normal monos are pretty easy and most things can do them without much gear

[harsh bridge]

does cast speed affect channel speed?

[icy drift]

No

If what you mean by channel speed is how many ticks of damage per second you get

[harsh bridge]

That is what I meant. Thanks. Does anything affect that?

[icy drift]

nope

sometimes the skill will have nodes that do

but no stats do

There are channeled skills that specify a scaling, like warpath with attack speed for example

same with channelled flurry

think they're the only examples though afaik

[dire cloud]

does Seed of Ekkidrasil work with spriggen rage ?

[blazing glacier]

idk level 50 or so? 100 flat is a lot, plus more if that is being boosted but 1LP is 1 in 4, even more common counting nemesis / COF. No reason not to use one with a T7

[rocky rapids]

yes

[faint cape]

Rage is mana

[quick crypt]

So i just would have to put the desired/important afixes in the filter along with the lp, right?

[blazing glacier]

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[main hull]

Guys, does this node make gathering storm scale from the cast speed? Or is this still a melee skill even after picking this node?

[shy turret]

Yeah. Nihilis is kinda hard to price tbh. The implicits also need to be considered and there's no filters for that

[quick crypt]

For how much shuld i sell it? What would you spend?

[shy turret]

I'm not at computer so I can't see prices sorry

[sudden trellis]

why couldn't I choose one affix to slam?

[fallow geyser]

Did you do Sanctum T1?
Choosing an affix is only available in T2 or higher

[faint cape]

It makes it scale with cast speed if you have a staff equipped

[normal turret]

I'm a newbie. Which should I choose, Merchant's Guild or Circle of Fortune?

[desert tree]

MG > Buy your gear
CoF > Get more drops

[eternal finch]

hello, i have to much unique legendary and idole in my chest, can i have any tips to sort pls 🦆

[fringe iris]

How long is left of this season folks? do i have time for another new char?

[desert tree]

Its been 2 months
Should last around 2more

[desert tree]

Are you planning to use them ?

[eternal finch]

some yes, some no

[maiden yarrow]

Hey guys,
Technical question ahead:

I'm having severe performance issues with Last epoch in certain segments of the game. (95% runs smoothly). It's always depending on the area, where I'm at. My pc is pretty up to date, running a rtx 5070 and Ryzen 5600 CPU.

The areas where I encounter the problems (problem = FPS drops from 140 to 5-20)

• "The Keeper's Vault in the ancient era where you go to rescue the old guy. Some segments here cause severe FPS drops. Literally 1 step to another segment changes FPS from 140 to 20 or vice versa
• same happens in the majelka waystation.
• new chapter: Basically all the new areas after you ascend the chains to the sky temple. My average FPS was around 14 there. In the coast regions and the hive it was all fine at constant 140 FPS.

Anyone has an idea what could cause these issues? If I get said maps in the monolith of fate, same technical problems arise.

Before it was only affecting me in my campaign play through, but with addition of the new chapter and those new maps causing the same problems I decided to ask about that here.

[thorny terrace]

Dev is going to know better, I would in game bug ticket in the areas you see issues in and then hope they make fixes in patches later

[foggy narwhal]

What's the echo that lets you respec the attribute affix on gear? I thought it was Rune prisons but this just replaces affixes with experimentals.

I know I've seen it before but completely forgot which echo it was

[maiden yarrow]

Oerden's watch

[foggy narwhal]

Thanks

[wooden ravine]

Hey everyone — I keep getting one-shot by Uber's attacks despite trying to dodge or predict them, and it feels like the slightest mistake kills me. I know “skill issue” is part of it — but before I chalk it all up to that, do you see anything in my build or skills (link below) that’s making me too squishy / preventing me from killing Uber?

🔗 Character link: https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Ljarnill/character/SniffiesGuyOpenDoor

Any pointers (gear, defensive mechanics, resistances, skill selection, passives, etc.) would be greatly appreciated.

[icy drift]

Better crit mitigation

34% reduced isn't enough

[candid elm]

One issue is that your Reduced Damage Taken from Crits is 34%.

[icy drift]

Otherwise not really, you're tankier than pretty much any character I've ever played tbh

[wooden ravine]

thank you @icy drift and @candid elm any recommendations how to include that in my build?

[rocky rapids]

also the bastion of honor range is deceptively small, make sure you're staying close enough for your block to be up

[wooden ravine]

good point

[icy drift]

Your 3x1 idols can have it as an enchant

Up to 10% per is an additional up to 40% if you get it on all 4

but it can take a while for sure

you can always just swap your gloves for a pair with the affix too

[candid elm]

You can get it on any Armor slot: Helmet, Body Armor, Gloves, Boots, or Belt. And on Shield
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/suffixes/AOwRgrEA

So try to squeeze a bit more in. You don't have to be at 100%, but a high value will help with Crits.

Can also get it on Idols as well https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/suffixes/ABwTgrEA