🔪┃rogue

[flint turret]

16% inc hp is pretty good no?

[steady cypress]

btw @serene crane

the set weaver ring

it's bugged right?

it should only increases legendary affixes of weaver weapons

[serene crane]

Yea but other altars can roll that too while boosting more idols? Or others cant roll the %inc hp?

[serene crane]

Yea, weaver weapons including corrupted affixes... do you think it boosts non-weaver weapons? 😄

[flint turret]

i mean yeah sure but i havent farmed omens like at all outside of ones i got in maps randomly

[steady cypress]

yes

tested

it. That's why I said it's a bug. And I believe you saw it too

and when it is fixed, how many percent of dmg will be reduced do you think?

[serene crane]

Some decent amount for sure, but the build will still work... I havent tried it myself with non-weaver weapons, its pretty weird something like this would still be bugged

[steady cypress]

wdym your weapon currently is a non-weaver weapon https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BxvJwYGd

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (15) / Marksman (52) / Falconer (26)

General:

▸ Health: 1,560, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 251.44, Regen: 9.76/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 113 Dex / 23 Int / 23 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 16% / 33% / 16% / 58% / 28% / 30% / 51%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 28%, Threshold: 312
▸ Dodge Chance: 29% (990)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (808)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 4%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Decoy / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Heartseeker

[serene crane]

Yea but you still get bonus from set completion by Entwined ring, not really carying about the set bonus itself

[flint turret]

i see they still didnt fix the harbingers in fading brink? just got hit with fire line from harb for 11k on 580 corr

2 seasons no fix smh

[steady cypress]

I mean, you should not have the increased legendaries effect with the weapon you are using

[serene crane]

Fading Brink still more annoying than Uber...

[steady cypress]

entwinned or not

but now you have it due to a bug

but I think the build still works if it is fixed

but tbh

I doubt that players will report this one

[flint turret]

yeah uber hits me for like 9-10k with triple slam

[steady cypress]

it does not make any build broken

while the "bugged" bonus is actually very nice

[serene crane]

Idk... right now in the planner I only have Rainbow sword, Entwinned and Abandoned and attack speed is 12%... If I put 52% maxxed out roll attack speed in either slammed affix or corrupted, its 65%; I remove the abandonded ring and its still 65%... the set completion bonus doesnt affect this at all

Might be different ingame tho

[steady cypress]

I tested in game

that's why I said it's bugged

you can remove your bow to see how many bow attack speed is reduced

[ebon jungle]

are you sying the attack speed persists?

[tribal yarrow]

Got perfect corruption roll on velocyns jaw

Feels good

[ebon jungle]

show

[tribal yarrow]

Tomorrow, gotta sleep now

[wary cedar]

sleep at 3pm is crazy

[flint turret]

map???

im in hogvarts

[wary cedar]

pls buy the map dlc

thank you

[ebon jungle]

known bug

just keep advancing

[serene crane]

Into the unkown with thee, traveler.

[ebon jungle]

9 quivers wiht 3 lp

only 2 hit the wanted stats

none shurikens or icicle

4 of them was corrupted with 1 stat not being present that i needed

still 0 shurikens

[serene crane]

hot take, but every class should have something like this... for rogue it could be like "Schizofrenia" where you would always count as a shadow and your max amount could be +1 max shadows

[ebon jungle]

agreed

[serene crane]

From almost 30 bows, I only got Shurikens once and it was a sh!tty t1, worse than my 0LP one... but Icicles I got few times

[steady cypress]

the bow attack speed is 50%

if it drops more than 50% then the item is bugged

[serene crane]

eh, it would also be cooler to have more corruptions like shuri/icicle on bow/quiver... the only weapons with something like this are 2H melee weapons with summong Forge Weapons...

[flint turret]

i hate they make a shuri on bow crit a corruption instead of a unique or smth

putting a build enabler behind 100 corruptions is a crime

[serene crane]

Could be for sure both

1.4 overall could've had a loooot more stuff... altars are nice, trying to get omen idols you need sucks quite a lot, Omen's Veil is a solid 10/10 clusterfvck, Observer fight is pretty cool, but the loot... could be a lot better aswell tbh

[flint turret]

unpopular opinion: omen idols are overrated, huge ones are better because of 8% inc health per huge idol affix

[wary cedar]

for wings of discord omen idols are big tho

[serene crane]

Super depends on the layout you wanna do 😄

[wary cedar]

can you overcap on Penetration?

[dusk rose]

I always die with necrotic, does this somehow always bypass dodge? lol

75% cap res

[wary cedar]

its skill issue

i never die of necrotic

[serene crane]

There is no cap afaik

[dusk rose]

right, good for you congratulations

[marble zealot]

This 100%, actually made me want to not progress gear anymore

[wary cedar]

i have a 3lp ROW, i dont know how i would feel about swaping it out for one with shuri affix 😔

[serene crane]

Well what necrotic attack tho? Like those beams from Weaver mobs you can dodge, but they just hit so many times its no very probable you get to dodge them all

[dusk rose]

so those beams are multihits on 1 beam?

[serene crane]

Cold-converted shurikens would be amazing tbh... surely one day we'll get all converts...

[serene crane]

Yeah, its like channeled attack

[dusk rose]

fast ticks too?

[serene crane]

Whenever that Weaver mini boss starts spinning, its better to just stand back and wait... then they do some crappy attack

[wary cedar]

thanks

[dusk rose]

I hope mum's proud

😉

[ebon jungle]

i think personally ive been mentally broken now. 180 turn.

too much farming leading to just a few items with no results

[serene crane]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/FateweaverLachesisStaff

here, the first one

[wary cedar]

thats just how the game is intended

[serene crane]

I guess another great thing to add to this could be imprinting a corrupted item in the new Omen tree so increase chances of getting whatever corruption is there on items you're corrupting of the same type
#suggestions message

maybe its time to kidnap some game dev

[flint turret]

who is this?

[digital path]

should be the one holding big rock

[sour salmon]

is it normal for not capping all the resistance rougue but still survive 100 corruption?

[steady cypress]

hi guy

is bleed falconer a stupid idea vs uberroth right now

[buoyant roost]

yes its okay

damage is more important

if you clear fast -> nothing to kill you 😉

[sour salmon]

I never build rouge before this face really surprise me so much

[ebon jungle]

never seen this lul

[buoyant roost]

too bad can choose only 1

what corruption are you chasing?

@serene crane
not to know whether im lucky or not 😄

[serene crane]

Niiice 😄 now to find out If its actually good for shurikens or not really much 😄

[buoyant roost]

its going to do something I guess 😄

[sour salmon]

does the dummy show real DMG ?

[light tendon]

What's better for HC? I'm leveling a Rogue right now.
Shadow Cascade or Rend?
I've seen both Bina and Raxx play them respectively.

[buoyant roost]

rend/cascade 😄

[flint turret]

wow exulis has such a bad droprate omg

[light tendon]

Maybe my terms arent accurate.
The former is doing this:

Hold down Shift, Synchronized Strike, and Dancing Strikes for automated damage rotation.

The latter is doing this:

Spam Shadow Rend at your target while inside Smoke Bomb.

[white steeple]

my advice is latter, I have not tried it but it sure hell beats dying and repeating echoes cuz your character gets stuck in the ground because of dancing strikes

[half nova]

Online just avoid moving attacks imo

Offline do whatever since you won't randomly get stuck

[topaz forge]

Does anyone have a good loot filter they can share? I just hit monos and I'm running a bladestorm bladedancer

[flint turret]

just got ravs which i dont need 2 times in a row on elder gaspar kekw

[pearl forge]

meanwhile me having to farm lagon zzzz im so sad they deleted the 1 phase

so i always have to run around

[serene crane]

Good old times of 50 prophecies without seeing a single Ravs, and then, just to get t1 healing effectivness from egg

[flint turret]

cant get a single rr still. 250k favor today +150 ascend runes on rings 0 rrs

[flint turret]

yeah ngl this is fristrating. this season i killed gaspar like 10 times for triggering other prophesies and got 4 ravs from him, 1 being 1lp+max rolls

while the seasons when i needed them i could kill him 50+ times and not get any

and prophesies too

[muted cradle]

anybody using Lich's Envy to get +4 Shadow? ( with Legends Entwined)

[velvet bridge]

Why does everyone use Zeurial's Hunt without lightning skills in these falconers I'm seeing on the ladder?

[flint turret]

for flat throwing damage most likely

[obtuse ledge]

Shades are not shadows

[flint turret]

First time struggling to get RR. I'm on around 500-600k ring favor and 200 asc runes without a single RR yet. Guess that's karma for getting 4 ravs from 10 Gaspars

[buoyant roost]

unlucky. I havent got a single one as well

[wary cedar]

i got bad corrption affix on every RR i got

[buoyant roost]

i got bad corruption affix everyting 😄 😄

[wary cedar]

T1 Healing effectiveness 🗣️

[serene crane]

50% of corruptions and weaver affixes being minion crap stuff

[pearl forge]

idk if corruptions are weird but i have also been unlucky

like 15 weps and all of them were bad or whatever

[buoyant roost]

so.... not to happy so far with the bow shuriken 🙁

[serene crane]

Lightning one?

[buoyant roost]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDxZ4Dd7

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 76

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Rogue (28) / Marksman (50)

General:

▸ Health: 1,122, Regen: 23.8/s
▸ Mana: 149.31, Regen: 15.04/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 40 Dex / 8 Int / 6 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 61% / 123% / 101% / 91% / 24% / 72% / 50%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 38%, Threshold: 224
▸ Dodge Chance: 25% (675)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (457)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 6%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 4%

Used skills:

Bladestorm / Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Heartseeker / Decoy

[buoyant roost]

yeah not complete for sure.

but given how much throwing I have.... it's not really "that" great

[serene crane]

For sure it needs more bow speed 😄

[buoyant roost]

gotta get lucky on that bow 😄

[serene crane]

Corrupting 0LP Gathering Fury will hopefully hit it 😄 body with +Hs has also bow speed; Draining Arrows is ezpz pick

[buoyant roost]

yeah boddy can go with +hs

im waitin for a good Urzils

[flint turret]

Why urzils, for multishot?

[buoyant roost]

lightning shuriken

oh wait

[serene crane]

Got no Static Shell instead with Ocearon? 🤔

[buoyant roost]

its not urzils

static shell*

[flint turret]

I found it hard to get a decent amount of inc damage while making a budget bow shuri planner

[buoyant roost]

still no single ocaeron. or i did not pick them 🙁

[buoyant roost]

the best option is "while wileding a bow"

which I think to make T8 on helmet

[flint turret]

Instead of 115 flat damage?

No way bruh

[buoyant roost]

where did you get 115 😄

[flint turret]

112 I'm sorry

[serene crane]

If you can skip Peak, which shouldnt be THAT hard to farm with 3LP, t7 flat lightning for shuri and the converversion with Hs recurve chance sounds good for the helmet I'd guess 🤔

[flint turret]

Yeah but how to get a decent amount of inc? Ucenui is decent but without shattered 180 stats is hard to get

[buoyant roost]

yeah no need for peak, especialyl with 10% crit in smoke

[flint turret]

So far the best idea I got is throwing idols with suffix amp and discord body

[buoyant roost]

I think there's enough flat dmg

[flint turret]

And it's even probably gonna be t7 inc damage on a bow

But I'm not really counting on that, I'd be happy with decent 0lp shuri drelk already

[serene crane]

Exulis might help with that If you manage resists... but thats a big "if" and also losing flat throw, so... eh

[flint turret]

Exulis can work but it would need to be attunement + int convert

And exulis drop rate is pretty terrible

Nihilis with 40%+ mana Regen seems more obtainable

[serene crane]

Yeah I went for like nearly 30 kills and got... 3? 😄

but at this point with the lightning build I wouldnt worry about stats for Red Rings, especially slammed 1LP, just some Ocelareon and nice Exalted ring and call it a day

[flint turret]

Even "budget" bow shuri is really hard to get going tbh

Oh yeah also exulis means missing t7 throw

But that can be okay with mourningfrost, but mourningfrost adds a whole pile of different issues

[serene crane]

smells like zhp

[flint turret]

Even if we ignore minus res, splitting shuri from light to cold is pretty bad as is, because of shock, light pen in shuri tree and light shred

Yeah zhp is one of the solutions but I'm not doing that

And it won't work well with multi rend

Because of delay

For hs it's probably a good idea tho

[buoyant roost]

I think zhp is the only way sadly

[flint turret]

Maybe I should stick to phys after all, xithara 2lp with throw+mana Regen, and phys throwing idols

[serene crane]

For the Rend-Multi dont you just want Tabi?

[flint turret]

No I probably don't

[buoyant roost]

I need to hit good redemptions 🙁

[serene crane]

Is it still the same one?

[flint turret]

I don't need that many shadows, it will just drain me faster

[buoyant roost]

I guess not bad

[flint turret]

Yeah I guess I need to experiment with phys planner I was too absorbed by lightning

[serene crane]

Phys looks super strong and probably easiest to scale 😄

[buoyant roost]

where will you get more for physical?

xithara's?

[flint turret]

Honestly I think multi rend is not great of an idea overall, the only thing that it would be able to do better than hs is single target damage at melee range probably

And why would I really care about that

There so many issues to solve going from hs to rend multi

[serene crane]

idk, at melee you can just do the Hs with shuriken shield instead... it shreds things and looks visually cool 😄

[flint turret]

Physical gets inc more easily because of idol suffixes

[serene crane]

Yea, also, you're missing SMoke Blades in Bomb

[flint turret]

And yeah 30% more from xuthara

[buoyant roost]

oh yeah. forgot throwing is there XD i was watching bow

[flint turret]

Hs also can just stack as with gathering fury and as slams without worrying about milking your mana dry

And hs can use wisp even for double casts

[serene crane]

I doubt 5 points in Shadow Hunter is needed at all, you already have 59% base bow crit chance, 20% from crit vulnerability, the 2% should scale it well enough... if you entirely converted Shuri into lightning, then Barbed Arrows in MM looks useless, Arrow Storm is cool... for 3 seconds, I'd move them to Draining Arrows... ezpz healing and bow speed all the time

[buoyant roost]

oh yeah barbed needs to be removed.

I got so screwed with corruption on omni

because for ulecei's

i need attunement and intelligence

[serene crane]

Lightning shred is also missing unless Im blind 😄 overall it looks good, just needs tweaking around and stuff

Yea those corruptions on amulets are there a loooot

I'd say 9/10 amulets I corrupt, they get this stat conversion corruption

[flint turret]

I would never corrupt an amulet, it's like 80% to Brick a build kekw

[buoyant roost]

yeah. lessons learned sadly

[serene crane]

At least you didnt get the minimum rolls...

[buoyant roost]

yeah. but unusable on this char sadly 🙁

[flint turret]

You can swap to Uber relic

It's pretty good

But yeah getting inc is an issue

[serene crane]

Maaaybe, but good roll for better effect of Frenzy might be also big for Hs, which you can also get as idol corruptions for better Frenzy effect

[buoyant roost]

what would oyu say inc should be combined

around 1000%? more

[serene crane]

btw you're missing act 9 and 10 quests for 2 all stats

[flint turret]

Yeah at least 1k id say, and it's already hard to get

[buoyant roost]

i have a 1000% currently

and thats without the t8 affix

my flat is 42 amu + 35 relic + 36 gloves + 25 ring + 26 ring + 29 quiver + 20 shuriken tree

[flint turret]

How did you get enough points for flat in shuri

[hasty fjord]

Anybody playing shadow cascade blade dancer? I am following the maxroll build, but I still can't spam the rotation with the mana efficiency idols.

[flint turret]

That would need like 30

Ah you didn't get neither pen nor multi nor "more", yikes

[flint turret]

And NO ENTRY POINTS? C'mon man don't do that

180% more damage for 3 points

[buoyant roost]

oh thats what im missing 😄

i totally forgot about htat node

the video just to show the frequency of the shurikens

I dont htink I need ricochet really. so 2 points i can remove from there

since my pierce is +25% only anyway 🙁

[serene crane]

@buoyant roost I'd move this around, Puncture feels really nice for map clears so you dont have to worry about Bladestorm

[buoyant roost]

hmm.

[serene crane]

Razorfall is also a thing, +2 for throw skills, 3-12 dex so better damage and also a bit of recurve chance

[buoyant roost]

yeah razorfall for sure.

[serene crane]

set Zerrick boots might be better at this point too 😄 30-50% crit multi to throw, movement speed and leech rate

[buoyant roost]

I need thos 2 points though for shuri

[serene crane]

I didnt really play that build, but from what Ive tried Sync strike => Shift and I had no issues

[buoyant roost]

otheriwse I have to go +shuri on helm

maybe elecons for armor

[tired hinge]

Hi, can someone explain a noob why the "artifice of devastaion" bladestorm relic isnt a part of this build ?
Seems obvious? Is it mostly because bladestorm is just a deliverer of shurikens ?
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/bladestorm-bladedancer-guide

[buoyant roost]

I guess the only reason for the heart is 20% hp

but its a weird choice as well

[serene crane]

you can run Artifice for sure, its just Heart is big hp boost... 2LP Artifice with +2 to throw skills should be fine to get, just slam flat throw damage there and ideally health and its okay

[serene crane]

Also those Puncture procs from killed enemies, when they crit it counts as a bow crit so they can also trigger shurikens... it looks pretty funny when the entire group just explodes with so many shurikens

[buoyant roost]

yeah I wanted to ask this

so just tested. ucenui's gives around 300% dmg boost

if im not screwewd by my amulet 🙁

[serene crane]

You could try getting a ring with +7 attunement 🤔

[buoyant roost]

but int is converted to madness 😄

[serene crane]

23% mana regen loss is whatever 😄

[buoyant roost]

i can try to see whether it works

yeah i planned to reroll that mana regen

[serene crane]

It still counts as int to skills and items that work with int (or stat conversions like that)

[buoyant roost]

I got this 😄

[serene crane]

Biiiiig

now corrupt it

[buoyant roost]

nooooooooooope

[serene crane]

affixes gone

[buoyant roost]

probably XD. or set to miniumum

let me try getting that attument ot see whether it works

yeah it does 😮 nice

[hasty fjord]

I am following Bina's advice on holding shift + sync + dancing in the correct order, but after 4 rotations I have no mana and therefore not enough ward, and I die in higher corruption. I despec'd dark allies (2+ shadows with 100% more mana cost), it works fine, but based on bina's comment that it needs those idols to function and to even have a T8 mimicry will improve it, but at the moment, I can't sustain it with dark allies.

[flat falcon]

If you're playing the starter one, do you have the mana regen on the rolls?

I couldn't play it without that, and with the mana blessing to give yourself some cushion. Once I hade the blessing and mana regen rolls on the rings/belt, I have never run out of mana.

[buoyant roost]

my ring rolled into damage over itme XD now i need to find that shit. i got ocaeron though 😄

[serene crane]

Hopefully you get LP on it 😄 ideally new Omnis, but well, I guess it is what it is 😄 I'll also have to swap some stuff and find slams for my gear on the ignite Hs-Shuri...

[buoyant roost]

NOT CORRUPTING IT OK?

[serene crane]

Im telling Misery you arent corrupting your items

[buoyant roost]

So I switched hemlet to have +4 Shuriken. And whats funny dps tooltips changes from 65k to 64k

[serene crane]

eh the tooltips is kinda whatever there 😄

[buoyant roost]

yeah. but I can get T8 on armor who cares 😄

though on Static Shell that more armor is interesting

[serene crane]

also some more damage to shocked enemies, same like Ocearon 😄 Elecoe is nice too, Discord is cool aswell but its primo slot

[buoyant roost]

I think im going to get mass + throwing damag eweaver idols

just with HP on top hopefully

[serene crane]

Yea and 1x1 weaver idols can have 1-2% lightning pen prefix

[buoyant roost]

but these are hard to get.... sadly

do you think this gest converted to lightning pen? i dont think so. does not say so

[serene crane]

I dont think so... idk, if it fully converts to lightning from phys it should just convert the shred too 😄

[buoyant roost]

no way to test that 🙁

[serene crane]

Well you would see lightning shred on enemies 😄

so I guess the only solution is Lagoon blessing 🤔

It would also look a bit weird, but as Ragu said, Ember amulet with fire converted Heartseeker and it would still shoot more lightning shurikens 😄

[buoyant roost]

but why would you conver hertseeker. its barely going to do any damage anyway

ah okay to proc

i was also thinking truesight XDD

[serene crane]

More procced shurikens, yea 😄 also you could then take Elemental Arrows, but thats kinda whatever, just tiny damage for heartseeker and also the ward gain

I guess its worth trying since your Primo slot is pretty much free 😄 just need to manage the resists; also -2 to all skills... 😄

3LP Glass doesnt even look that much rare 🤔 just the price I guess

[buoyant roost]

yeah. I have 1LP one> i can try throwing in the +throwing on it and test on dummy

[serene crane]

You might also have to check crit chance If its good

[buoyant roost]

with the buff from smoke certainyl good

this is right now. 1 missing in shroud but who cares

man getting from lvl19 to lvl20 skill on 100 cc is pain

[flint turret]

it does

if you convert 100% to light

phys shred at the bottom however does not

[buoyant roost]

yeah that one for sure. okay but thats good enough as well

so +4 shuri on helm is worth it

[buoyant roost]

This is withou the uceneis buff, which brings the lightning up to ~910

[kind adder]

It does not

Confirmed with Mike a couple weeks ago

[flint turret]

i tried it less than a couple of weeks ago

and it worked

[kind adder]

Tf Mike

Hold on

[flint turret]

unless some recent patch broke it it should work

[kind adder]

That was on 4/2

[flint turret]

i dont wanna log in, but feel free to check )

[kind adder]

How would you check for lightning pen?

[flint turret]

just hit a dummy

[kind adder]

Just bigger damage numbers?

[flint turret]

pen is basically "more damage"

[kind adder]

Interesting

If it does work I'll have to re-allocate some points in my lightning shuri build lol

[flint turret]

but if i remember correctly it didnt work at 100% efficiency

i mean my damage went up but not as much as 48%

[kind adder]

Gotcha

[buoyant roost]

@serene crane I dont know what is in the puncture lol but it clears shit? how? i dont understand.

[flint turret]

better always double check yourself, i have been jebaited countless times by devs answers already

especially this season and the falconer release season

[buoyant roost]

I mean it kinda matters really much 😄

I will test it soon somewhat

[serene crane]

It bangs punctures to enemies around and If it crits, like it should pretty much all the time, it can proc the shuriken corruption from the enemy that died

[serene crane]

If if converts, then you should see lighting shred stacks on the dummy instead of phys shred, no? 🤔

[buoyant roost]

I dont think you do for penetration?

the penetration should just deal more damage, but it should not show in the debuffs

[viscid finch]

guys, what is better for shadow rend with umbral, dammage with dagger or throwing damage ? on idols.

[buoyant roost]

damage with dagger

if you have dagger?

[kind adder]

Not for lightning pen, only lightning shred

[viscid finch]

i have thong in right hand, and sword in left

[velvet bridge]

What in the heck does "Ability (Left to right)" even mean?

[buoyant roost]

yeah then damage with dagger. you get double

[buoyant roost]

on your skill bar. in this case your Q (if using keyborad normal layout) will get the shroud

[viscid finch]

ok thx.

[velvet bridge]

Oh, so ranking it up just moves the ability?

Or adds another..?

🤔

[buoyant roost]

it does not do anything with the ability

you set up which ability you want there

it just decides which of the slots will activate it

[velvet bridge]

Weird. I think I regret putting points into this 😹

[ebon jungle]

any uber killers on rn? would you mind helping me kill a few until i get a shattered?

[wraith nacelle]

question has any one tested if you have this node and the explosive node umbral blades do they instantly blow up ?

[light tendon]

what lvl can i / should I spec from generic Falconeer leveling into Shadow Rend build

(i have all the listed starter gear)

[unique umbra]

what's the best lp1 slam for omnis on rogue (not throwing build)

[wooden lava]

Has to be crit multi

Feel free to correct me, but I don't see any better slam

[flint turret]

211 hp is pretty good on amulet

[buoyant roost]

penetration if you lack it

[tawny lodge]

wahts better anyway...penetration or "more dmg"

[sour salmon]

any guideline number for how much Health should I have for 300 corruption?

[tawny lodge]

at least 3k+ depending on ur other def

[sour salmon]

thanks, been fixing my freaking low DMG for 2 day and finally I can focus on defense

[tribal yarrow]

here's the perfect roll I got when corrupting Velocyn's Jaw

[flint turret]

Pene on amulet rarely worth it, only under certain conditions for certain builds it might be worth. In terms of damage, increased damage or multi is almost always better on amulet imo

[buoyant roost]

I mean.... usually you dont have a choice between those two on an item. Penetration is like "more dmg" in general, so a higher number there wins.

[buoyant roost]

If you have high enouhg multi is not worth it. Past 500% for example

if you have 0 penetration, 15% penetration will add 15% more damage, so that's decent

[flint turret]

Even at 500 it's still far from clear. Going from 500 to 558 is more than 11% more damage, while pen offers 15% pen. At this point you would already have shred which is 20% and even if you don't have other pen sources it's going from 120% to 135%(on bosses) which is basically almost the same increase. And chances are that you have other sources of pen to add to it

And if you consider tanky rare enemies it's gonna be 160 to 175%, which is less than 10% even

Tl;Dr slam 211 hp kekw

[serene crane]

Unless its t7 I wouldnt even bother... and even then its probably better to have like a 2nd slammed affix

[buoyant roost]

i spent all of my rune of havocs and more than half redemption yesterday on rolling quiver affixes 🙁

[serene crane]

I like how we all are rolling for the Hs/Multi-Shuriken builds and we're just getting broke

[buoyant roost]

I guess last builds in the season 😄

[serene crane]

wdym, are you trying to tell me you arent making poison heartseeker-shuriken shield with armor shred stacking converted to poison?

[distant pewter]

speaking of meme builds

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ozwXdDyr

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Rogue (24) / Bladedancer (71) / Marksman (13) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,668, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 150.51, Regen: 16.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 33 Dex / 12 Int / 14 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 87% / 91% / 116% / 840% / 19% / 30% / 65%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 63%, Threshold: 614
▸ Dodge Chance: 19% (652)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (801)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 25%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 92%

Used skills:

Shift / Shadow Cascade / Synchronized Strike / Lethal Mirage / Bladestorm

[buoyant roost]

how did you know

[serene crane]

Its great, trust

[buoyant roost]

dot marksman = death sentence 😄

[flint turret]

to be fair it all depends on a build. if a build has an easy access to tons of inc (like cascade with inc per shadow or umbrals with inc per dusk) and easy acess to multi (cascade with jormun\lirakas\reen or umbrals with multi per blade) then pen can easily be bis even as the first affix

[flint turret]

im not even at the point of farming bows and quivers yet, im 600k favor deep on unique rings without a single rr

i just wanted to imprint it while i farm bows sadge

[serene crane]

Thats pretty unlucky... 😄

[flint turret]

and 200+ asc runes on rings too btw

yeah i usually would expect 1rr per 300-400k at worst

cant really complain after i got 2 close to maxroll 1lp shattered, mid 2lp shattered from 20 ubers and 4 ravs from 10 gaspars which i sadly dont even need

[serene crane]

Naaah its super much fine 😄

[sour salmon]

I have some question about Rouge:

1. If the skill node says: More Damage for Shadow Cascade, does it mean the poison stack it cause deal more damage?
2. Passive or item affix that said Skills used by Shadow deal Increased Damage, Does it mean poison stack cause by the Shadow Deal increasd Damage?

[buoyant roost]

does it say more HIT damage or just more damage

2. this should only refer to the general skill damage I think. not the dot behind. but not entirely sure

[serene crane]

Should still work for DoTs unless it says like "increase melee damage by" and so on

[sour salmon]

nope, it only says like "Shadow Cascade deals more damage"

like this:

[buoyant roost]

yeah that works on dots applied by the skill

[steady cypress]

Hi guy

Is there any uber viable falcon centric build this season?

[pearl forge]

think all the umbral bs still works as folconer

unless you mean one that uses things like dive bomb or falcon strikes

[steady cypress]

Bs?

[pearl forge]

bullshit basically the whole umbral package

with creating shadows and then popping them

when rend or something

someone that played it could tell you better than me i only kinda play LM

[flint turret]

okay, made a semi-budget phys bow shuri planner... still kinda hard to get https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qb6WVdzw

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (25) / Marksman (52) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,714, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 179.02, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 40%, Regen: 36/s
▸ Attributes: 20 Str / 45 Dex / 20 Int / 20 Att / 48 Vit
▸ Resistances: 73% / 73% / 73% / 77% / 66% / 89% / 94%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 950
▸ Dodge Chance: 54% (2155)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,500)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 35%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 95%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Dark Quiver / Bladestorm / Heartseeker

[serene crane]

JUSE and few others posted a video with it, pretty much oneshotting Uber and being done with the season after a week or two... 😄

[buoyant roost]

@serene crane NOT CORRUPTING IT

[serene crane]

@wary cedar

alright sir, you asked for it !

[wary cedar]

corrupt it

if you dont gamble you already lost

[serene crane]

Before we had to push corruption in echoes, now we also need to push corruption on gear

[buoyant roost]

NO

[serene crane]

I kinda like Crystalwind for the armor shred, but could just use exalted quiver anyway... Sanguine is nice tho with bow speed and health... other than 2xRR and Shattered it should do super fine 😄

[flint turret]

shred is useless on hs

it has innate 100% its more than enough

[wary cedar]

i ll find you

steal your pc

and corrupt it for you

[flint turret]

yeah i have 2 shattereds with 10 and 9 allstats its fine, but rrs bro

[buoyant roost]

isn't wielding a bow better?

[flint turret]

why?

it goes lower

[buoyant roost]

because you get 45% throwing and 45% increased physical

so its 90%

increased damage

[flint turret]

its 45

[buoyant roost]

how?

you get ALL damage increased by 45%

[flint turret]

yes

thats why its 45 kekw

[buoyant roost]

yes but in the formula when a skill has "throwing" and "physical" tag you get both increases 😐

[rugged pollen]

no you dont

[buoyant roost]

how so 🙁

[rugged pollen]

they are AND not OR

[flint turret]

you dont split the affix name by words and get x3 damage from something like melee fire minion damage

[buoyant roost]

I will ask the devs

[flint turret]

your physical already factors in throwing

[ebon jungle]

Any uberoth killer on that wouldnt mind helping me kill a few uberoths? 😭

[potent rune]

Ask in game usually there is someone who might give you a hand

Here is kinda meh

[flint turret]

you can see it clearly on lastepochtools or whatever

[rugged pollen]

i think u misunderstand this

having both tags

means the skill CAN get the bonus from both source

doesnt mean it will get the bonus twice

[potent rune]

This is 100% right

[buoyant roost]

it's very misleading sadly. because I always thought the stats you see on your screen are the actually increases

[rugged pollen]

it is

[potent rune]

Dont trust character sheet for anything

[rugged pollen]

that's why veteran players usually tell you not to fully believe the character sheets

[potent rune]

Go to last epoch tools aint perfect but its good enough

[rugged pollen]

sheets dont necessary "lie"

but you need to understand how it works

[ebon jungle]

Even last epoch is trash and dont work as intended

[buoyant roost]

kk thank you. this changes my way of thinking a lot

[ebon jungle]

tools*

[flint turret]

and there are some exceptions when double dipping on the same "stat" is possible, or rather node

[potent rune]

In some cases they just omit info that you need so you think they are bugged the passives or skill

[buoyant roost]

This also relates to skills like this:

right?

[flint turret]

all inc is additive

[potent rune]

It does the job the rest is up to you,guy who makes this needs a team to work on it ,this is not path of building which is sadge but far better than maxroll one

[flint turret]

what are you unhappy with exactly to call it trash

[ebon jungle]

the fact that its missing 40-60% flat crit rate vs ingame when standing still is amazing

[buoyant roost]

@flint turret but the skill that is ssay throwing and physical DOES get its damage increased from both increases, right? I hope that is not misealing as well

[ebon jungle]

if you dont think thats bad in terms of how you setup your build

then i guess i got bad news to tell ya

[potent rune]

I am crit capped on erasing strike but ingame says I am not you gotta do your own stuff

Maxroll one is way worse

[rugged pollen]

yes it does

but you have to account for the overlap

[flint turret]

yes it does get bonuses from either, but it doesnt double dip on generic affixes like "inc damage while weilding a bow"

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, the tags on an increased damage stat just mean your skill must have all of the tags it specifies to apply, generic has no tags so naturally it will apply to all your skills

[ebon jungle]

which is why you dont rely on the damage calculation or any calculation at all

[buoyant roost]

okay. jesus. so from one "source" it can only get either, not both

[flint turret]

but like i said there are a few "exceptions" with the most relevant to rogue being shadow daggers which are both melee AND throwing. And they get double bonuses from smoke blades, and passives from rogue and mourningfrost, which give throw+melee flat at the same time

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, and that is because there is no "+X attack damage", that is really shorthand for "+X melee damage, +X throwing damage, and +X bow damage"

[serene crane]

A lot of smart talk for one lazy Monday...

[flint turret]

what do you guys think would be better dps with bow shuri corruption if im going full throw:

1. gathering fury hs
2. drelkors hs with 3\3 burning daggers

might be drelkors right?

[serene crane]

I'd bet on Gathering Fury just with all the bow speed stuff... Burning raggers can proc shurikens too I guess? 🤔

[flint turret]

they cant but they are 100% throwing and i already scale throw

[steady cypress]

is there any nerf to it since ss3?

[flint turret]

Added Damage Effectiveness: 150% is not that high tho

[flint turret]

gigabuff since s3

[steady cypress]

ok we are not talking about the one shot recall stuff

normal UB still giga buffed?

[flint turret]

in this case mostly unchanged

[steady cypress]

ah ok

so for gigabuff you mean one shot uberroth?

well I can accept it if we can also map with the same setting/gear

[flint turret]

all buffs are mostly recall related

100% more damage from flow, create shadows upon recall, crit multi per blade

[steady cypress]

but if I play the way like ss3

does dmg increase?

or do I have to change the setup for recall?

[flint turret]

you have to specify how you played it

[steady cypress]

In ss3 I just press dive bomb, falcony and aerial assult

[flint turret]

probably its mostly the same

[steady cypress]

just press those 3 on cd

does recall need a different playstyle?

[past sapphire]

Was ecstatic with the drop from champion chain but then I remembered I wont be able to put Last Bear's Fury on it :/ still a great upgrade from my previous gear tho!

[flint turret]

yeah you would need to recall blades

either by shift or manually

[steady cypress]

so 4 button play?

[flint turret]

flow is 4 or 5

[steady cypress]

tbh I don't actually understand how recall works

[serene crane]

True, but I still bet on Fury 😄

[flint turret]

glad i have t7 shuri fury already at least

[buoyant roost]

so you corrupt LP0s?

[flint turret]

yeah

would take too long to get is slammed first

im already struggling to get rrs for some reason

that was suppesed to be an easy part

[serene crane]

Luckily Fury is super easy to imprint, I kept getting like 3-4 copies per proc

[steady cypress]

@flint turret also stupid question

is there anything recall falconer can do better than recall bladedancer?

[flint turret]

hmmm... more range for umbral summon and better mana sustain i guess?

they get mana per recalled blade tho so probably a non factor

[steady cypress]

because, well

I'm not sure if they are better than bladedancer in bossing and clearing

[flint turret]

i havent played either so cant say really. i dislike both combo gameplay and broken stuff in general

[steady cypress]

me too

well I can tolerate zombie

since it's not broken

but other than recall blades

there is no good non ballista build for falconer?

because recall blade is one shotting uberroth now

and well, it might even unplayable next season

because I doubt EHG's nerf and balance ability

[flint turret]

bladestorm shuri should be decent on falconer

[steady cypress]

hmm

[flint turret]

flask bladestorm too

[steady cypress]

that thing might be better in bladedancer too

bladedancer can proc even more via dancing strike?

[steady cypress]

this one might be good

but is it better than bladedancer version I wonder

[flint turret]

bd doesnt have falcon to throw flasks for you

[steady cypress]

how many percent of falcon throw can contribute to bossing dmg?

[flint turret]

i have no idea

[steady cypress]

me too

in 1.3 I remember that bladedancer, marksman and falconer could all kill uberroth in the same time

[flint turret]

im not aware of MM one-shotting uber this season

DA mastack is gone

[steady cypress]

I mean acid flask build

[flint turret]

trap flask build is dead

[serene crane]

So far the best Ive seen is the phys throw Hs-Shurilen in 38s from the guy whos name I shamely forgot...

[flint turret]

i think rend multishot shuri can do better single tartget

but i havent seen one in endgame yet

and the gear on that 38s was kinda cracked, and zhp to boot

[steady cypress]

yeah but in 1.4 both bladedancer and falconer can do the throw flask thing

[steady cypress]

it's not dead, it just become the current flask throw+bladestorm

[serene crane]

Yeah, still by far the fastest Ive seen tho

[flint turret]

true

[serene crane]

But what impressed me the most was Palading with that holy aura like PoE's RF, guy stacked like 5.4k life, over 6k with Julra proc and facetanked Uberroth's opening wave slam like it was nothing 😄

[flint turret]

i was saying from the moment they revealed that corruption that its gonna be the best thing ever for mm, and its funny how good it is and how its overlooked at the same time just because of the stupid corr grind

literally close to 0 videos of it and no guides for it that im aware of

while being probably the best MM tech currently

[serene crane]

Maybe we could get @zenith bridge to cover it (Im not sorry for the ping)

[flint turret]

i already tried

[serene crane]

#👑┃item-showcase message also check this

[flint turret]

non believers smh

[serene crane]

But it has some crazy variety of almost everything.... flat phys / flat lightning / Ember ignite fire Hs / Carrion of Creation bleed Hs / poison armor shred Hs / surely some more... then either ranger shuriken or shield one... Im not saying its all some crazy builds but with enough dedication it can go far

[flint turret]

dragonsong shuri kinda meh, it would need mourningfrost which splits shuri damage

and takes throw affixes for dex

[serene crane]

poop damage on the ignite, but with flat phys I had like 50k?

[flint turret]

ignite hs shuri can be interesting with embers

even tho shuro dont have good multies for dot damage

entry points sadly hit only

[serene crane]

Also 500c map video from sp3tan... like I dont expect every build being some super cool Uber killer, but the potencial is surely there 😄
#🔪┃rogue message

[serene crane]

I just need to make my defenses to not be squishy as hell and boost the damage itself up

[flint turret]

damage comparable to s2-3 hs tbh

i had 50s abby with 1lp gear

[serene crane]

Still quite good tho... scaling of the cold Hs with Mourningfrost and Icicle corruptions is also just great... sadly cant really do much with icicles

[flint turret]

not a fan of icicle corr, its worse than row icicle by a lot

[serene crane]

Still free stuff If you get it on RoW

[flint turret]

corr ice spike has 300% dam eff, row has 500

i would prefer shuri anyday

even without lirakas its 4 shuri in a like with 125% dam eff, not to mention tons of multies, and trow damage is much easier to get than spell

its not even close between shuri and icicle corr

i would prefer this tbh over icicles

[serene crane]

Cant be too picky with corruptions, sadly... I hope they make it a bit better controlled

[flint turret]

true

amulets have it the worst

at least let us disable the conversion if its not needed

its considered a "good outcome" but most of conversions simply just kill you

[serene crane]

I kinda doubt it'll get better, but still 😄 imprint slot somewhere that would make the corruption there more likely to appear; less minion sh!t on like 9/10 items, bit higher tiers than like t1/2... and If you decide to corrupt like 2LP, you also get 2 random affixes of any tier, not just the corruption itself

Yea one of the corruptions drained my life everytime I used a skill... thanks, I guess 😄

[flint turret]

still better than -300 hp and 50 res or -100 armor or whatever

on\off toggle would be much appreciated ngl

on the charatrer screen where stats are for example

shouldnt be THAT hard to make

[serene crane]

I guess #suggestions & pray... but I doubt anyone really pays some big attention to 99.99% stuff there

[ebon jungle]

31, 29 lol

[serene crane]

Damn, did you go with the throw helmet or something? 😄

[ebon jungle]

😭

this is why i need crit shuriken on quiver

[flint turret]

weird skill selection ngl

[ebon jungle]

with like 4-7% crit

then i can drop peak

[ebon jungle]

you think?

[flint turret]

if i had to guess its drelkor shuri hs with burning daggers?

but that doesnt really explain the absence of smoke

what does shift even do here

[ebon jungle]

before you care about what shift does

[flint turret]

i give up i dont see the idea behind all of it together

[ebon jungle]

guess why i got decoy there in the first place

[flint turret]

crit multi probably and maybe zhp to kite

if its an ignite build maybe its for shred

[ebon jungle]

not a ignite build but its for shred as well good guess

it is a dragonsong build after all

[flint turret]

why would you care about fire shred that much tho

most of your damage is cold

or am i missing something

and you could also shred with a blessing and get bladestorn to launch more shuri instead

which would make dragonsong trigger a lot more

[ebon jungle]

dont know how bladestorm works

[ebon jungle]

you are missing quite a lot from the build because i am fire conversion first and foremost

[flint turret]

anyways, whats about fire shred, isnt most of your flat damage is from mourningfrost?

[ebon jungle]

not necessarily no

[flint turret]

how come

whats your dex

[ebon jungle]

143

[flint turret]

so, most of your damage IS cold

[ebon jungle]

i have both good fire and cold flat

im still dragonsong so i dont see your point

im not reign of winter

id be a different build

[flint turret]

fire from where? dragon fang caps at 80, and you probably are running with around 60 on average

[flint turret]

my point is that 2\3 of your damage is cold

[ebon jungle]

guy doesnt understand how good burning daggers are

anyway

[flint turret]

they are cold too kekw

[ebon jungle]

youre pointing out me using mourning frost, fine

complain about me using decoy for crit multi, fire shred

and your solution is bladestorm?

that has nothing to do with the cold?

[flint turret]

im not complaining im asking why

[ebon jungle]

what you want me to do

[potent rune]

No need to get defensive when someone points out simple flaws that can make your build better

[flint turret]

i just wanted to hear an explanation about the skill selection so it would make sense

because i still dont see it tbh

[potent rune]

Since we are not perfect and know everything about the game

[ebon jungle]

Nothing hes suggesting would improve the build drastically

Nor did i ask for anything either

[potent rune]

But would it improve thats all it matters

[flint turret]

cold instead of fire shred would improve it easily

[ebon jungle]

depends on the playstyle lol

[serene crane]

Maybe cold converted Bladestorm would be interesting on the Cold Heartseeker with shuri shield and Mourningfrost? 🤔

such shame you cant convert shuri to cold aswell

[flint turret]

bladestorn for more shuri and dragonsing triggers look good, thats why i suggested it

and smoke too

[ebon jungle]

And its why i didnt ask for your opinion on any shit suggestion

If you knew the build then suggesting bladestorm woulda been completely useless

[serene crane]

Smoke on its own is just great... nice movement, silver shroud, flat dmg, cleanse, shadows whenver...

[ebon jungle]

See if you can figure out why

[ebon jungle]

Yeah but isnt a skill thatll save me from uberoth

I dont need smoke in 700c

[serene crane]

You can use it to dodge the pizza slam If needed

[flint turret]

no need to be hostile like that, the whole point was to guess the reasoning from the selection of 5 skills only exactly because i didnt know the build. If you dont wanna engage in a conversation thats fine, could have just said so

[serene crane]

I guess with Bladestorm for the extra shurikens you might have to worry about mana

[potent rune]

Dont bother he is like that a lot 😅

[ebon jungle]

Cant post anything without having a comment go WHY THIS or DO THIS

Didnt ask

The idea that because someone doesnt have a skill recommended by 99% of the community You have to go "OMG YOURE NOT USING THAT SKILL" is boring

Food for thought: You can play the game however you like. It allows that.

[serene crane]

Thats surely true... its just a recommendation what could possibly be done, no need to instantly swap to it 😄 Im posting bad decisions from my X rogues since before beta and Ragu always has some good thing to say about it what can be done better 😄

[potent rune]

Its the internet ,everyone always gonna have a commentary about something but if they are not disrespectful to you ,maybe you shouldn't be disrespectful them ,getting mad at someone pointing something feels weird

And btw you do this a lot so its a you problem more than the others

[serene crane]

But since you play Fire Hs, have you tried Ember amulet instead of Glass? 🤔

[ebon jungle]

ember amulet? instead of glass?

im using weaver amulet lol

Its why i have such high +skills

Entwined as well

But i would love to use that instead tbh

[serene crane]

Yea so the whisps can copy fire Hs => trigger more shurikens... I run it on the ignite one and its pretty cool 😄

ngl that Abandonded Weaver set amulet on its own is also super nice

[ebon jungle]

problem is my setup is skewed

What would be cool here eventually right

Get crit shuriken on quiver and youre crit cap without peak

You then get another helmet instead and now you have leech as well even tho u dont need

But also better helmet

[serene crane]

Plenty of helmets to choose from I guess... the hat with %bow+%throw damage; leech (? maybe not); %crit multi.. or maybe some unique instead

[ebon jungle]

Then you just get either snowblind or why not mask of indifference,

Yeah you could make it easier for you and just go exalted helmet

And ahve 5, potentially 6 with corruption

you mean this amulet right

[serene crane]

Yeo

Damn looks nice for 2LP

[ebon jungle]

That would kill the whole weaver, entwined setup 😭

[serene crane]

Maybe Boneclamor for more dex, some decent armor, bit of necro resist 🤔

[ebon jungle]

Isnt a bad shout either. Getting at least 3 lp is the issue id say

Id say Snowblind is the best contender

Not only because you can convert your build to cold instead and go that route but also the blind and chill is mega

I would like to argue that the only reason i survive as much as i do is because of the 4LP and the 2 bottom stats i took

Blind = No need for crit avoidance or crit dmg reduced from crits

Chill = Extra survivability because of what it does

I get snowblind and i no longe rneed those on bow or quiver

[serene crane]

Yeah I only have bunch of 2LPs, but I havent really been doing unique helmet prophecies at all

[ebon jungle]

I think i got a snowblind 3LP as well

yup lol

its been sitting there for 3 weeks or so

[serene crane]

4LP looks super easy 😄

[ebon jungle]

yep

But thats only when the game decides to give me higher total crit

[serene crane]

But Snowblind applies blind with cold skills 🤔 dont you have fire Hs? 😄

[ebon jungle]

on quiver

o ye youre right

good catch

[serene crane]

Shame there is no AS prefix and the rolls are low af... 😄

[ebon jungle]

So exalted helmet :>

[serene crane]

Yea sounds easier 😄

[ebon jungle]

decided to corrupt mine and got decent ones on my flame reaver but too bad that build is meh in comparison to this

[serene crane]

Glorehide Hood helmet base has %crit chance 🤔 not very high, but still something

[ebon jungle]

😭

[serene crane]

I got two with 52% attack speed, just the rest is pretty meh

[ebon jungle]

Best options i think

6 dex from falconry is straight up 18 flat across

[serene crane]

Yea looks good... big shame the throw only counts for birb, would be wild 😄

[ebon jungle]

Yeah agreed woulda been huge as well

[grave gale]

Anyone have an endgame planner for dancing stikes/shurikens/cascade/bstorm? I like the playstyle more than shadow rend but triksters planner on YouTube is like day 3 stuff

[vapid needle]

never crafted before, shard is greyed out when crafting set item, suggestion?

how do I make it work?

look like 4 affix is on exalted, should I remove on to make room for the set item shard?

[serene crane]

Either this or SMK but he has it with older gear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DtlLwx-5-o&t=500s

[serene crane]

What lvl are you? 🤔 might be grey because it would require higher lvl than what you currently have... else no idea tbh 😄

[vapid needle]

89 rightn ow

this I'm using

[outer comet]

I did that build and added my own wrinkles to it. Currently pushing 1000 corruption with it. I decided to add more movement speed and use some different items to add a speed flair to it.

[serene crane]

Hmmm, no idea then... anyway, you ideally want empty prefix slot, then put the one shard there to make it t1, use Depsair glyph to seal it (ideally t3 would be good so the bonus is higher, but that might depends on luck with forging potential); then you can put whatever you need in the emptied prefix slot

[serene crane]

You could use Removal rune and hope the 1:4 chance wont hit the t7... with my luck I remove t7 in 9/10 cases

[grave gale]

Wonderful ty

[vapid needle]

ah yeah seal that t1?

[serene crane]

Yea, it'll give you the lowest bonus, but it still acts as a set piece so its whats important... and once the item has a set affix, you cant slam it on unique

[vapid needle]

ugh it just removed suffix, wont work oh well

[serene crane]

Ideally you just want the prefix to be empty so you dont have to worry about gambling with Removal 😄

still 1:3 chance to remove prefix

[vapid needle]

awesome it worked, now to craft...

[serene crane]

ezpz 😄 set affix in prefix, seal it, put whatever you like there and either Hope glyph+upgrade it or you could use Envy glyph to uprage and change the base of the ring

[light tendon]

There's no way to add a % to the affix range within filter is there?

E.G. if I want all idols that have "Elemental Resistances", that's easy, but teh range for large idols is 3-8%. Any way to set it to only show like the 90%+ range of the affix?

[serene crane]

might get unlucky with FP, sometimes its just brutal

[vapid needle]

yeah I got it, it's not perfect but it'll do for now, I will collect more items

[serene crane]

Mmm, I dont think so? 🤔 you could still put needed enchant on it, then corrupt it and might get the max rolls... else maybe ask in #❔┃ask-the-community, theres more people active there

[dark mortar]

Better to run snowblind or peak for cold heartseeker? Build guide has peak but I feel like snowblind is better for defensiveness. Is peak just used for crit? I think my crit chance is >50% without peak

[vapid needle]

next time I'll do a better job on set item crafting, I learned a few things, thanks Olvrin!!

[wary cedar]

Snowblind is for the cold res 🥶

[dark mortar]

I'm struggling more with phys res than cold atm lol

[wary cedar]

i mean depends on your standards, but a lot of people just ignore phys res

[serene crane]

All good it kinda all matters how the item drops.. if it has empty prefix/suffix, low tiers that you can seal away to make empty slot, or to Chaos gamble... then hoping FP wont screw it over 😄

[dark mortar]

I'm still getting one shot a lot at 300 corruption 🙁

[vapid needle]

Yup and gotcha

[dark mortar]

Most of the time is phys hits as I'm 40ish percent

[wary cedar]

i have -12% phys res

[dark mortar]

How do you not die immediately in monos?

[wary cedar]

kill them before they touch me

also i just dodge most of the stuff

[dark mortar]

I end up getting swarmed in any of the omen things and just can't not get hit

[wary cedar]

smoke bomb -> guranteed dodge + enough dmg so you can kill fast

[dark mortar]

Hmmm maybe I'm not playing correctly, or my damage is really low

[wary cedar]

you can import your build in lastepochtool and have me take a look

🤪

[serene crane]

make sure you link it with all items corrupted

[wary cedar]

imagine not corrupting

playing S3 in S4

[serene crane]

you might also not run any primordial item

no altar

no weaver/enchants

but enough about channeled flurry Mountain+Bastion shield builds

[dark mortar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/function101/character/Elil

I'm not corrupting my belt

Or my only red ring

[wary cedar]

😡

[dark mortar]

I had a pretty good glove slam and it turned into a rare 🙁

[serene crane]

If anything I'd throw the RR in Nemesis egg 😄

[dark mortar]

I'm also missing points into my skills prob because I switched omni

[dark mortar]

Yeah I should

[ebon jungle]

Ive already corrupted about 50 lp3 and i still had these hidden in my stashes 😭

[wary cedar]

you have more ehp against one shot than i do
so your problem most likely is dmg, you do miss some crucial affixes, Dex - Level of Heartseeker

[dark mortar]

Yes I need to run more lightless, only 2 chests so far and none with lp

[wary cedar]

you dont have Dex on any Item beside the rings xd

you need way more

[dark mortar]

I have a 4lp ring sitting in stash, haven't done a single exalt with more than 1 t6/7

[wary cedar]

@dark mortar also stop using Shift, take smoke bomb traversal, will help a lot with survivability

[dark mortar]

I can't

It's bugged on controller 🙁

[wary cedar]

multi exalted items are not a thing in S4 anymore, dont bother to much

[wary cedar]

get a keyboard my dude

[dark mortar]

It targets enemies and you jump into their hitbox so you can't dodge abilities

[wary cedar]

not having traversal smoke bomb really hurts the build

[dark mortar]

I got carpal tunnel so I can't use mice for very long 🙁

[wooden lava]

Can someone tell me what I'm missing when people say multishot is bad and heartseeker is good? I've tried them both out with decent gear and multishot still feels better in clear, single target, and survivability

Is it just the late-late gearing of heartseeker has a higher ceiling?

[wary cedar]

then dont listen to the people and play what you think is better or?

[wooden lava]

It's not that I'm trying to refute it. I just want to know why that's the standard sentiment. Like, am I missing something?

[dark mortar]

What t7 do I go with on ring then? Dex?

[wary cedar]

Dex everywhere where you can

Gloves, Quiver, Boots, Reliq Rings

Body Armor and Helmet got other good stats so Dex isnt as high priority there i'd say

[dark mortar]

I was prioing t7 hybrid health where possible

[wary cedar]

i think heartseeker is just more range so it's safer, and idk why multishoot should be better on surviving?

[wary cedar]

yeaaa, no

only for belt

[dark mortar]

I still feel like 2k hp is so low

[wary cedar]

well most builds focus on dodge, since some bullshit will always one shot you, with dodge it can't

[wooden lava]

That I can understand. To me, they both feel comparable as far as general survivability. The one thing that makes MS feel 'safer' is that it gets health back faster (from my own testing) when you do take damage.

That obviously doesn't help when it comes to one shots which typically happen more often in close range

[wary cedar]

should be the same discussion as cold heartseeker vs. fire heartseeker with dragonsong

one is close one isn't

[flint turret]

my only hope of getting a decent amount of inc damage for bow shuri

[wooden lava]

I see. Alright, makes sense. When I was testing cold HS, I was still in the groove of running up to mobs anyway so I see why it would be safer overall if I had just gotten used to not being in the face of enemies

[wary cedar]

btw you have this, maybe thats why

[wary cedar]

i sometimes play cold heartseeker still like that xd
but i m not really pushing corruption, just chill and farm

[dark mortar]

I like my rampancy, ok?

[flint turret]

+discord

[wary cedar]

i dont see how you manage the uptime

[wooden lava]

I don't even really see the cost:benefit working out for going beyond like 500. I've already accepted that I won't be killing Uber Abby with these builds regardless so it's just fun to see what does and doesn't work while chilling

[wary cedar]

same same, i m just trying to push my gear as high as i can

once i m done i will push corr and try uber

and that will end S4 for me then

[dark mortar]

Either black arrows or a manual puncture every so often

[wary cedar]

hmm

better would be 'get frenzy on evade'

or something like this

since puncture isnt reliable, espacillay not against bosses
and for dark arrows you kinda have to actively look for them, which i find quit annoying

[dark mortar]

Yeah I would like to get frenzy on evade, isn't there an amulet that gives it?

[wary cedar]

you can get "you have frenzy" on reliqs with corruptions

[dark mortar]

I don't mind picking up the arrows to be honest, it's pretty easy to path around to them unless I'm dodging something

Or in a big omen veil thing but if there's a lot of density I'm getting frenzy from the free punctures when things die

[zenith rivet]

Got my 1st Uber Abberoth kill and he was a bit too generous, no Relic though

[wary cedar]

@dark mortar but you seem to follow the maxroll build, remember there are other variants of the build that get more dmg, so enemies get less time touching you

[dark mortar]

I was following some guys from the ladder at first but I was dying too much, I'd rather clear slower and die less

I need you spend more time farming and crafting probably, I got a 2lp bow and 3lp quiver on my first drops of both items and slammed them with not great items because I thought the lp chance was high. Haven't seen a 2lp bow since

[wary cedar]

yet you come here asking why you die so much

[wary cedar]

2lpbow 3lp quiver is somewhat the norm
3lp bow is 1 in 3700 and 4lp quiver is 1 in 1k so that's still doable

[dark mortar]

Well I still die but a lot less than before lol

[light tendon]

Several nodes in Shadow Rend say "...for Shadow attack".
Does this apply only to the sweeping melee attack, or will it also apply from indirect Shadow Cascades from the Shadows

[dark mortar]

I couldn't complete Pinnacle omen echo at all even at 100c now I can actually do it

[light tendon]

Here's another example, FWIW.

[dark mortar]

I was mostly just wondering about the helm because it seems like snowblind is a bit more defensive if you don't need the increased crit as much

[wary cedar]

i dont play peak, i dont even have the crit chance on my bow lol

[dark mortar]

What do you use instead

[wary cedar]

idk honestly lmao

i have the crit rate chance nodes in heartseeker tho

[wary cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/ohthemisery/character/miiisery

[dark mortar]

I've bricked like 5 omnis so far, haven't seen a max rolled one yet

[wary cedar]

was my 2nd try xd

[dark mortar]

Jealous

Farming them is so boring

[wary cedar]

i will still try to get one with rampancy

if i get good source of frenzy

[dark mortar]

The thought of getting a bunch and rerolling them for for 2 skills and good resists and then try to corrupt for rampancy sounds like it would take days and I'm not about that

[wary cedar]

well that's the game lmao

[dark mortar]

Yeah I get that, even using the strat of resetting timelines to fish for the map can be so long with bad rng

I ran a timeline from 200c to 100 without seeing it, like 20 or so resets

[wary cedar]

what strat

never heard of this

[serene crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F67IXe1HV2M&t=571s

[dark mortar]

Check binaqc on YouTube, he has a guide

Yeah that one

[ashen jay]

hello guys
playing this BinaQc build: https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/shadow-cascade-bladedancer-guide
holding 3 buttons down always
and sometimes me character just staying and cant do anything (no stun on me, in the screenshot i'm staying like that for about 2min and cant loot)
is there any solution or bug report?

[zenith rivet]

its a bug that happens while using Dancing Strikes, the only fix i know is exiting the game

[ashen jay]

damn, it happens 3-4 times in 2 hours(

[zenith rivet]

unfortunatelly it happens a lot

[flint turret]

my pride and joy

[serene crane]

Ive played it for two days, wasnt holding down 3 buttons at once because that sounds lowkey lame and never got stuck

[ashen jay]

but it works)

[zenith rivet]

im guessing you got lucky, i was playing the dancing strikes/bladestorm build earlier in the season and would end up stuck a few times a day from Dancing around

[flint turret]

i guess this settles the decision between phys and light shuri

[inland yacht]

poison pools from acid flask don't stack right? monsters can only be affected by one at a time?

[serene crane]

2/3x this, 2x as Omen idol and Pyramid altar would go wild 😄

[flint turret]

all ready

+discord

[serene crane]

Biiiig altar 😄

[flint turret]

im considering going for tundra with it

and just have atround 80% crit reduce

cant say im a big fan of peak, but 25 allstat is nice for rrs

[marble zealot]

I tested the drelkor rend shuriken and pure multishot shuriken for quite a while today

[serene crane]

I'd worry about that once I had RRs 😄

[marble zealot]

unfortunately multishot shotgunning only results in max 1 proc of shurikens

rend version still has good damage but it lags too much

[quartz fable]

right boys, I'm done with the season. Time to corrupt the 4LP before we log off. Let's get it

GG go next lol

[serene crane]

Yea but every multishot arrow crit can proc shurikens, no? 🤔

Mmmm, yea, that sounds super lame 😄

[flint turret]

yeah i ditched the idea for now, currently going for a budget version https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bjqd27xW

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (25) / Marksman (56) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,930, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 170.86, Regen: 8.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 32%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 41 Dex / 16 Int / 16 Att / 49 Vit
▸ Resistances: 88% / 79% / 75% / 74% / 75% / 70% / 75%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 1,025
▸ Dodge Chance: 44% (1625)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,770)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 35%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Dark Quiver / Bladestorm / Heartseeker

[flint turret]

i dont have idols tho

only this one is semi decent

shred is totally wasted tho

[serene crane]

Yeah, getting omen ones is just super dumb luck...

[wary cedar]

game is telling me something

[shell hamlet]

Anyone have a build i could use thjis on? Randomly dropped for me on another class

[serene crane]

I run it on fire Heartseeker with shuriken corruption and Ember amulet... aaand maehlin gloves to convert bleed chance into ignite 😄

[flint turret]

i dont really need omens

i need 2x2 and 3x1

oh dam i do need 3x1 omen

regular 3x1 doesnt have useful prefixes

[serene crane]

Well 3x1 is basically 4x1 😄

[flint turret]

no

it doesnt fit

i cant replace anything

neither 2x2 nor 3x1

4x1 doesnt fit even tho i really want it

[serene crane]

What... no... I mean with affixes

[flint turret]

no they are completly different

3x1 doesnt roll vit

literally 0 useful prefixes

[serene crane]

Not all affixes then but some ye

[flint turret]

well yeah i guess ill settle with suffix+weaver for 3x1

still i dont have any with throw and 2x2 too

actually this will do i guess

[serene crane]

Good enough for now ye 😄

[shell hamlet]

any chance youd got a planner for it?

[serene crane]

Yea but it needs a ton of work tbh
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Olvrin/character/Shuriken_Giga-spam

[wary cedar]

i reached 200k Tooltip unbuffed

[light tendon]

what act is the target dummy - and what's the most efficient way to get to it if I did the Temporal Sanctum skip

[ebon jungle]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

not liek this

😢

dodged in to the middle so the beams beamed me up

otherwise i stood on the fire circle, 1 beam, 3 pools of void and didnt die which is insane :kekw

[serene crane]

Yea can facetank quite alot 😄 but the Frailty is also a bit brutal

[ebon jungle]

skill issues certification handed over to me just now

[buoyant roost]

corrupt it

[wary cedar]

already is 😔

[buoyant roost]

I don't see it says corrupted heartseeker

[wary cedar]

if i could i would

[buoyant roost]

that would be the thing. ruined skill XD

[buoyant roost]

erm I use this on my cascade fire ignite 😄

[serene crane]

use these before you corrupt

[wary cedar]

i dont play this game

[flint turret]

can anyone tell me how unique rerolls work with corruptions? i mean what do i have to do to reroll a 3lp item? do i need to:

1. slam the 2lp then corrupt it and reroll 3lp
2. corrupt 2lp unslammed and reroll 3lp
3. both work

[serene crane]

corrupt slammed 2LP to give it 3rd affix, then it works like 3LP

[flint turret]

okay so 1lp peak go into turtle, 2 lp are slam with whatever to reroll 3lp, got it

[serene crane]

Yep... and all the garbo bricked Omnis and Nihilis from egg as easy fuel for 2LP rerolls

[flint turret]

i dont even have a decent 1lp nihilis, and i probably wont need it for now i decided to go with phys xithara

still need to farm 3lps

i have only 1 lowroll

[buoyant roost]

@serene crane meh

[topaz forge]

Can you not get legendary dagger prophecies to try and target farm traitors tongue?

[buoyant roost]

why not

[topaz forge]

or is it labeled as unique but still can drop traitors?

[buoyant roost]

if you farm unique dagger prophecies, you will get traitors

"hopefully" lol 🙂 I mean you get other unique daggers as well

[topaz forge]

ok so it is unique. I was looking for legendary lol ty

[serene crane]

Eh its not the worst, but it should just shred Julra a lot faster? 😄 also 1k health 💀

[buoyant roost]

I think the attack speed is a must on bow

[flint turret]

bro forgot he needs bleed for entry points

again

[buoyant roost]

I got poison

should work as well?

[flint turret]

yes but no bleed

its 90% for poison and 90% for bleed

[wary cedar]

why is this number going lower with every "upgrade" i make? 😔

[buoyant roost]

again misleading tips 😄 I thought its either? and no matter what max is 90%

[serene crane]

100% 😄 speed king 100% https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRtYaYkh74o

[flint turret]

and where is light shred if you are light

[flint turret]

try it on a dummy, unless they changed it s4 it was 90+90

[buoyant roost]

I did like 5-6 stupid boss and didnt get it yet 🙁

[buoyant roost]

I have 1 point to put in bleed 😄

[serene crane]

You get max 90%, shouldnt matter if there are bleed or poison stacks... unless the tooltip completly lies? 😄

[buoyant roost]

I mean if that is the case just hiding 90% more in plain sight is next level gaslighting by EHG 😄

[flint turret]

have you tried it or its a speculation

[serene crane]

For your build you want it for sure... for DoTs is crap :c

[serene crane]

I didnt try it, its what the node says

[buoyant roost]

how to make sure

[flint turret]

hit the dummy

[ebon jungle]

lul

[flint turret]

i really dount they ninja changed it in s4 it worked for both bleed and poison since forever

[buoyant roost]

yeah thats good dmg 😄

[buoyant roost]

1 point in bleed not enough to reach 30 stacks 🙁

[flint turret]

why 1