📚┃off-topic

[fleet ravine]

One could say some people need to touch grass more often, but I wonder if it'd be more of an insult from me to say that I touched less grass than they did in their lifetime?

Not that it matters in today's world. Go outside, get stuck on the phone, so at this point it's more about looking someone else in the eyes, I suppose.

[jovial bane]

yk if nobody did it in like two weeks I think it's a badly designed encounter

especially if it's meant to be farmable unlike say ultimate content in FFXIV

[desert jasper]

Honestly, when the new pinnacle is available in legacy ofc it'll be beaten within hours
remember when aberroth came to the game and he was beaten in like
20hours or less on a fresh start?

[jovial bane]

ye

and even with ultimates in ffxiv they toned it down, because it was a bit ridiculous

iirc ucob is a 40-45 minutes long fight with one mistake being wipe, and playing close to perfection clears it in enrage time ?

[desert jasper]

That doesn't sound very fun to me
I've also not killed the ... omega? in MH wilds
because I kinda hate the idea

[jovial bane]

ye, now they are shorter afaik

StS2 changes make sense, most of the cards nerfed felt too good

[jovial bane]

tbh I hate phrog parasite with burning passion as well xD

[jagged igloo]

I had so much fun with StS, been wondering if I should give StS2 a spin

[junior oyster]

Not enough energy

Didn't even realise it was a kill

[junior oyster]

Yes

[jade jackal]

They got DarkHaven turbo-funded last minute on Kickstarter, back from the absolute void, amazing

[brave bolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRBMXHWGTWU

Context: Legendary Drops covered the topic of the judge ruling in favor of the original creator of subnautica, & krafton is in a spot of trouble as they got ousted for trying to use chatGPT to weasel their way out of paying their developers. (more context would be appreciated if anyone knows more on it than I do.)

[gilded elm]

Guess who Krafton is most likely to try and squeeze to offset the money they're about to owe the Subnautica creators?

[brave bolt]

Pretty sure we both already know the answer.
(that is unless EHG are wise enough to be ahead of the curve.)

[low ravine]

anyone played dragonkin? how does it compare with LE?

[shy sage]

I seen a discussion about this game before...?

Oh yes this one #📚┃off-topic message

[fleet ravine]

You know, it finally clicked that I've seen this dragonkin title way back when on a stream somewhere. Never got remotely interested back then outside of me liking fantasy dragons in general.

[jovial bane]

the financial curve ?
I believe the problem was they were ahead, but despite that got shafted

[brave bolt]

My point being:
krafton losing against unknown worlds entertainment, means they will most likely refuse to change themselves & repeat the same thing, if not similar, to other companies under their banner, including Eleventh Hour Games which is most certainly a bad omen yet to come.

[jovial bane]

yeah, I fear the same

I hope it won't be the case, but yk

[brave bolt]

But until it comes to pass (or not) I bide my time and have patience.

[maiden widget]

why would they change if they won

[fleet ravine]

Hot take: blowing into yogurt ain't helping me much. As has been the discussion all over this server, yeah, we all are weary about it. Some of us are giving EHG the benefit of the doubt and some go further by supporting them such that they can prove they are worthy to their contractual owners.
If, colloquially speaking, what goes into the toilet hits the fan instead, I'm fairly sure most of us will react accordingly.

[low ravine]

🤔 seems like it takes repeating content to extreme quite a bit, like what is this
"The dungeon requires you to kill waves of waves enemies in the same dungeon to fill the bar and it will take you 1h or longer to do that, it's where I left dragonkin last time."

[maiden widget]

supporting them such that they can prove they are worthy to their contractual owners.
that seems kinda weird. you should support them when they make mtx you want to own.

I'll not start buying things I dont want just to support anyone

[fleet ravine]

To each their own, really. But withdrawing support for them preemptively is more of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[solemn harness]

I think that's the point for a lot of the people that focus on it. The same thing happened with PoE when Tencent got involved.

People just decide they hate a particular megacorp, or disagree with the direction a game is going, and start their own personal crusade over it.

[jovial bane]

isn't the Subnautica 2 the case of pretty much damned if you do, damned if you dont ?

[fleet ravine]

Look, I'm not a lawyer, I just write software.

[silent steeple]

Yeah I was surprised by this as well but apparently it only takes about 10 mins or so and not an hour

[jovial bane]

yeah, with Subnautica 2 the development was super smooth. So smoth they would hit 250M$ bonus

Which caused the whole drama

[silent steeple]

I would like to say thats true but I know how much I spent for overwatch skins back in the day and I hated that company 😂

[maiden widget]

I don't withdraw they need to sell me stuff I want

Big difference

I'm even fine with paying for expansions if they're good

[brave bolt]

This.👆
Reward devs for adding good things to the game they are making. (even better if it is part of a free content update & equally so if it appeals to you as a customer, & if the base game already had a price tag to begin with.) while giving them absolutely nothing if they underdeliver on certain things or even just core gameplay mechanics in general.

Bungie is a perfect example of 100% under-delivered garbage & overhyped nonsense.

[neon sigil]

I tried it. It was on release though. It felt like LE beta.

It'll probably be a great game if you give it time just like how le evolved into a great game.

[low ravine]

🤔 guess ill pass for now, wanna find one game or two for my handheld, ig grim dawn will do

[neon sigil]

Grim dawn is getting a huge dlc soon

can't wait tbh

[low ravine]

Pretty sure is this year but dunno which month

[neon sigil]

It was supposed to be for q1 I think? But got delayed

[low ravine]

what delayed again

[junior oyster]

I love the asdfmovies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcwqUf_B5mM

[sand wigeon]

bungie literally just delivered one of the best games of the genre ever made

when was the last time bungie underdelivered? destiny 1? shadowkeep? where is this undelivering?

[brave bolt]

Which was?

[sand wigeon]

…Marathon?

[brave bolt]

Well how about that.
Good day.

[sand wigeon]

what

[twilit mountain]

Insisting Marathon isn't good is hilarious. It's very highly reviewed on every platform that requires someone to actually play the game to review it. The main complaints it has gotten are entirely performance related.

[sand wigeon]

i’ve played every extraction shooter i can think of and marathon stands above a lot of the others in a lot of ways

alongside arc raiders and tarkov

but das okay this person just believes they’re right and that their opinions are inherently more valid and like yeah that’s real that’s how most people feel about their perspective

they’re also in server called “DEI Detected” and have it set as their account tag (god could not get that out of me) so i think they’re just, y’know, of a certain type

it’s kinda cute how immediately these types of people run from a disagreement, because if they’re not sitting in an echo chamber they struggle to formulate their thoughts

[twilit mountain]

Oh they're a loser, got it lmao

[warped wren]

oh my god one of those

💀

[sand wigeon]

ikr

i was so ready to have an actual discussion

[brave bolt]

did said discussion include the context of the now resolved plagiarism scandal involving anti-real? or maybe it was the part where they removed the red war which customers actually payed for on day one before they went "Free to play" which is essentially a proverbial slap in the face to those who actually bought it day one (which in turn also dissuades people in the future, from even buying early access titles to begin with knowing there can be even more worse rug pulls than that.)
there are plenty more examples where that came from that doesn't just come from bungie, it is just a matter of when one decides to seek out context at their own volition, but don't let that stop you from making an informed decision.
if you or anyone else want to simply play games or even an extraction shooter, not a problem. just don't expect the internet of today to take anyone seriously.

[sand wigeon]

yeah sure i can discuss those

so the “plagiarism” thing was definitely an issue but by all metrics i think it’s been resolved

the company apologized excessively, replaced stolen assets, paid them for it and then also credited them in the game files and it’s been shown they were hired to do more stuff for bungie

which is cool, i think they’ve resolved that in a healthy way

and like i’ve paid for every destiny thing that’s become free

i definitely think red war needed to be removed

it didn’t make sense to be around any more and it was srsly bloating the game

i remember pre-sunset and post-sunset, the game ran smoother, everything loaded faster, it was less laggy, servers needed less maintenance

it had a lot of benefits and it was content that had no real reason to be around anymore

and like i paid for it all at full price

even new players were more overwhelmed by the story (story that no longer had the connecting seasonal stuff) and it was causing problems for them too

i think the sunsetting was good

and like marathon has one of the best and most consistent art directions rly anywhere rn. not to mention it takes the best parts of arc raiders and tarkov to create a unique blend, one where the mechanics hold consistence and balance, smth those other games haven’t even managed to do yet

so yeah marathon is essentially one of the best games in its genre, it’s immediately boosted itself to “one of the three,” the other two being arc raiders and tarkov (though they appeal to very different groups)

i think saying marathon is bad when everyone playing it at least can recognize it’s good, even if it’s not for them, is a little silly

and like going back to destiny 2 going free to play, as someone who’s been playing destiny since destiny 1, the free to play change was amazing

i’ve met so many beautiful and kind people because they went ftp

it was a very good change

“more people playing the game i like” is just not a bad thing in my eyes

[desert jasper]

Tbh I don't like those kinds of games and I don't like the artstyle of Marathon so I'm not even remotely tempted to play it

[sand wigeon]

that’s so chill fr

[twilit mountain]

And that's perfectly valid

[sand wigeon]

extraction shooters are not for everyone yeah

same with, y’know, that type of space sci-fi cybersystopia

like i’m not a fan of historical settings myself so like peaky blinders? i’m sure it’s rly good but i’m not a huge fan

[brave bolt]

So from what I am reading here, I say only this:

• I already mentioned in my previous comment about the anti-real plagiarism being "now resolved"

• wouldn't it have been wise for bungie to have measures in place in the past to ensure that such occurrences would have never happened to begin with?

• by saying that the red war should have been removed, is it or is it not an allegory for "bungie should have no problem removing something people had already payed for?" & on top of that, if people think that such content is "bloat" just waiting to be removed by the developers who made the game, wouldn't that point out that bungie has no idea how to even optimise the game without having to remove things? Thats like saying the awakening quest in warframe should be removed after X amount of time despite being there in the beginning as a hypothetical example.

• "sunset" in the case of D2 is really just a corporate buzzword for "we are removing content people paid for" on the basic level.

• what other extraction shooters do you know about or have played besides what is already mentioned? I know of the Single player Extraction shooter "Escape from Duckov" & I also used to play division 2, granted it didn't lean too heavily into the extraction formula but some parts of it (i.e. dark zones being one.) stood out.

Also: this is coming from somebody who has been burned one too many times by bad business practices coming from the AAA industry.

[sand wigeon]

• cool i didn’t see haha

• i mean sure it would’ve been better, hindsight is 20/20, they didn’t know at all how the development of Destiny would progress

• i mean i do think it was a good thing, their game was a mess and it was causing problems. it would’ve been better if they had a system where they didn’t need to do that, and could archive it properly, but their engine wasn’t designed for that sadly. it was the best option given the circumstances imo

• i mean no sunsetting has been around for ages, it always just meant “the phasing out of old content,” it’s referencing meta shifts and changes not removal of content, they just coincided for destiny

• i have at least 100 hours on tarkov, arc raiders, arena breakout infinite, hunt showdown, delta force, gray zone warfare, vigor and dark and darker. i wouldn’t rly count division but yeah i have playtime in both division 1 and 2

[desert jasper]

Also, good morning 🥱

[twilit mountain]

Morning, welcome to daily off topic discussion.

[sand wigeon]

good morning nubs

how are you today!

[desert jasper]

Oh boy, the daily off topic discussion
My favorite

It's honestly too early to say, just 5:40am and just got a cup of lemon tea with some honey
But how are you today?

[sand wigeon]

i am

very very high

and have been for the last twenty four hours

but i’m good!

[twilit mountain]

Honestly that tea idea sounds great, I should check the cupboard

[sand wigeon]

i should make tea AND cocoa

[desert jasper]

I once got a package of something like chocolate tea from my sister (also chili tea, same brand)
They were the foulest things I've ever tasted

[warped wren]

on what

[desert jasper]

Life, clearly

[sand wigeon]

cbd oil

nothing bad

[warped wren]

[sand wigeon]

just accidentally took too much

[warped wren]

I used to have a bottle of it

but I left it back home

[sand wigeon]

damn…

[warped wren]

idk dad must have tossed it by now

[sand wigeon]

chocolate and chili tea sound awful

[twilit mountain]

I'm gonna double check that later, it might be THC lmao

[warped wren]

lmfao

[desert jasper]

She got them to me because they sounded exotic
I really wish she hadn't
They didn't even taste like chocolate or chili

[sand wigeon]

yeah idk how you’d get those notes from tea

[sand wigeon]

(i have been wiggling about like a worm for about ten hours)

[brave bolt]

Dang, quite a few games there I haven't played (mind you I ain't too big into extraction shooters to begin with, doesn't mean I do not know about 'em though.)

Here is a few I have played:

• Warframe: 852.9 hours logged, actually longer than that in-game because most of my playtime was back in the xbox ecosystem, same can be said for a dozen others like Division 2, haven't touched that one on steam as the many balance issues carried ot by their respective company was just too much of a disservice to the point of moving on from it to better pastures.
• Last Epoch: 704.3 hours.
• Warhammer 40k Darktide: 150.2 hours. Not a big fan of the extraction mode they released recently as it is too easy to get lost in the map, so I'd rather stick with the original & the best in standard mission format.
• Crackdown 1, 2 & 3 (quack quack, motherducker. still funny, shame it ain't on steam.)
• Gears of war 1 through 5 (including judgement) did not like how the story in 5 went but Augustus Cole Train was the funniest, & the best character out there.
• Prototype 1 & 2 on xbox 360.

The list goes on...

[sand wigeon]

none of these have anything to do with a discussion about extraction shootera

i only listed the extraction shooters i’ve played

i’ve played more than extraction shooters

i’m not that mentally ill

also are you ai generating these responses

[brave bolt]

Who said you were matey?

[sand wigeon]

whe?

it was a joke

HAEA?

idk funny silly joke. laugh it or smth

[warped wren]

Darktide's Expeditions is only an "extraction mode" in the loosest possible definition

the game literally has no pvp component (and thank god for that)

[sand wigeon]

yeah if there’s no pvp it’s more like

a horde shooter or co-op survival game or smth

extraction shooters are rly heavily denoted by their pvp

[brave bolt]

Indeed. PvP would have been a disaster waiting to happen in some capacity. I wouldn't know how, but I can imagine just how "heretical" some of the prisoners on the battlebarge could be.

[warped wren]

it is exactly that yes

[sand wigeon]

:D

[sand wigeon]

are you a real person

[warped wren]

Dream even more unfiltered today than usual

[sand wigeon]

oh i’m sru

dur

sry!

[twilit mountain]

It's the drugs

[desert jasper]

Horsde shooters... I tried playing Back 4 Blood with friends
And it feels so badly balanced
And then I found out that the devs had nerfed literally all the good stuff used by players

[twilit mountain]

Yeah which sucks cuz B4B is super fun when it goes well

[warped wren]

ongoing issue with any horde shooter really

how do you balance power creep with player fun, and who do you balance around

Darktide has an utterly insane skill ceiling

[brave bolt]

That or the paranoia of dead internet theory since IGN has been using very sus accounts to write articles.

[warped wren]

but the average skill level is in the gutter

[sand wigeon]

they’re ignoring me

i am so bereft of attention

[desert jasper]

Apparently they also worked with speedrunners and said they'r enot going to make any changes based on speedrunners
Only to nerf the living shit out of everything they did

[warped wren]

at least Darktide is an actually challenging (if you so choose) pve-only horde shooter, that doesn't pander to its Reddit-brained audience

cough cough Helldivers 2 cough cough

[desert jasper]

Yeah and I'm not even remotely good enough for the high tier stuff

[warped wren]

still don't have A.S.S. title

I'm not terrible, but neither am I consistent

I was doing alright in old havoc 30s, but current havoc is much, much harder and haven't attempted it lately (because screw that partyfinder yuck)

[desert jasper]

last played september 24th
didn't realize it's been so long

[warped wren]

oh boy, you didn't play scum?

[twilit mountain]

I have 23 hours in Marathon and I've owned it for like, 56 hours. I have a problem.

[warped wren]

launch scum was... an experience

[warped wren]

do you remember the feel of bread, and the taste of water?

[twilit mountain]

I've had a bottle of water next to me at all times!

[warped wren]

respectable commitment to hydration, I applaud

[desert jasper]

But did you have any of the water?

[twilit mountain]

Yes actually. I've been putting in effort to do better on that, I get dehydrated a lot

[solemn harness]

I made that mistake the other day. Water? Check. Remembering to drink any? Mission failed.

[sand wigeon]

oh god scum

oh

different game

i'm oblivious

[brave bolt]

At least you even did havoc missions, the party finder may as well be as useless as a screendoor on a submarine, best I can do is the usual run-of-the-mill damnation missions, maybe even a few auric missions depending on team composition.

Playing the Arbites class is nice though.

[sand wigeon]

so skullstachio

why aren't we talking about bungie

[warped wren]

doggo good

[sand wigeon]

i thought you wanted to have a discussion

[twilit mountain]

I just refilled my bottle a bit ago actually. It's uh... 24oz I think?

[desert jasper]

I don't really get the feeling of being thirsty these days so I have to remind myself to drink
and then suddenly I drink the entire 0.5L glass at once and more

[twilit mountain]

Hmmm... I'm gonna go refill this again. There's cookie crumbs in it lol

[sand wigeon]

we got girl scout cookies!

[desert jasper]

I'd be surprised if you didn't in the situation

[brave bolt]

After ye derailed it here? #📚┃off-topic message
I'm on to you...

[sand wigeon]

i rly don't think you are

[brave bolt]

(of course gif embeds don' work here...)

[sand wigeon]

i was asking a question you're free to respond to everything i said

plus you never said if you were or weren't

[desert jasper]

Sure got quiet in here

[brave bolt]

💤

[twilit mountain]

We're Marathoning

[desert jasper]

Good luck, remember that it's not a sprint

[twilit mountain]

True, sprinting is actually bad!

[sand wigeon]

i am not capable of playing this game rn

but i am anyway

[maiden widget]

It's still amazing how fatshark makes it impossible to just play with your friends and always tries to force quickplay onto you

New mode says private game yet opens quick play only for me and I just want to chill with 1-2 friends

[twilit mountain]

I am so good at this game

[warped wren]

oof, sounds like Bugtide

[maiden widget]

yeah very likely although could be deliberate like with the way worse bots (always ranger lvl 1) compared to vt2

[desert jasper]

Finaly killed Incarnation of Dread and got the Lich's Circlet.... with spiders doubled

[maiden widget]

you know the drill

time to reroll

[desert jasper]

Nah
Also, apparently if you raise spectre out of a serpent warrior it just doesn't do any attacks if it's defensive
when it should only be using the projectile attack + aura on hit while defensive

[junior oyster]

Bring on Megaman in Sonic racing CW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxvGeyjqhG4

[hardy crane]

@rough wharf - the backend server side stuff for the WoW addon I work on is a MASSIVE sprawling k8s cluster running many .net microservices, with many replicas, all dsitributed message driven - processing all WoW auction house data for every server, in every region, for every game-mode, across the entire planet - every hour

[rough wharf]

Ooff, I imagine kafka when you say that

maybe CRDTs

though i haven't worked with those data types, just read about them

[hardy crane]

ya its pretty crazy lol - I built it all myself and I am the sole maintainer (of that portion of the project)

going on 13+ years now

feels wild

[rough wharf]

what are some like key concepts (pattern/system design wise) you had to develop while going through it in the years to achieve this level of scalability and availability

[hot crown]

Parenting moment: son dozed off using my stomach as a pillow. Adorable. 🙂

[rough wharf]

Real definition of rich

[gilded elm]

Amidst all of the Marathon hate, I'm pleasantly surprised to see one of my favorite 40k content creators, Bricky, make a positive review https://youtu.be/WtAVBZDZHfY

[sand wigeon]

because the hate is overblown

it’s like the smallest of minorities

anyone actually playing the game loves it

[twilit mountain]

Destiny's long time PvP sweats are going crazy. Wallah is pulling off some extreme amounts of bullshit in Cryo runs rn.

[fleet ravine]

Nicocain probably nailed it straight on the head, in that is' a generic phenomenon. If you want actual picture, you look at how many are actually enjoying the title vs those that are not in the context of total player count.

[sand wigeon]

just look at review sites where you're required to at least purchase the game vs ones where anyone can review

there's a clear distinction that isn't present in most reviews for a game

it shows obvious external negativity

[twilit mountain]

Been holding a stable 50k-ish CCU for the past week. It dips during late night for US hours and rises back up when we get back to daytime. It's unrealistic to expect it to hold the exact same number as launch day like a lot of people claim it should, especially when it's a game where you can't just like "sneak a run in between chores/jobs/whatever". It's also very console weighted, on average I run into like 6 console players per 1 PC player.

[fleet ravine]

I'm not very well versed in the communities surrounding strictly multi-player titles. I have played more of them in the past, but was more invested in the playing of game than the talking about playing the game myself. I have played Destiny 2, but was well averse to PvP by that point. Tried it for a bit, see if I could get some more gear rewards from it and it was... ok enough, but not necessarily pleasant.
Nowadays, whenever I see a game that involves squad/team play, I see clearly how just being friendly does not imply coordination. What I felt, but never thought through back then.

[twilit mountain]

Generally, D2 just didn't have much gear for non-PvP reasons sourced from PvP activities. There was a few outliers (Mountaintop, Recluse, a couple Trials guns) but most of them were in a very different sandbox and are no longer relevant.

[fleet ravine]

Sure, but I was more on about the people that played the same title as me and what I'd notice in-between the playing of the game itself.

[twilit mountain]

Fair enough. PvP in groups tends to need like, consistent play together to get the coordination and feel for each other's playstyles before y'all really click and can be a proper team.

[fleet ravine]

I am a sort of experimental lone wolf, so team play is nearly a foreign concept to me. This does not mean I never stopped to look at the team as a team, so my PoV is a sort of observer PoV, take that as you consider.

[jovial bane]

Marathon seems like stable, niche game numbers wise

I guess one could argue it will be a commercial failure, but that's more of a problem with the industry, rather than game's quality it seems

[sand wigeon]

it's an extraction shooter, it was always going to be niche

[twilit mountain]

It did stay in pretty high sales charts on all platforms for the first week and the two weeks leading up to release, I think the reason it doesn't reflect in CCU is just due to how you have to play it (current "endgame" map being locked to pre-made squads, a gameplay loop/formula that necessitates "big" sessions rather than appealing to quick in and out play, a lot of game knowledge needed to feel like you're making any progress meaning a bunch of out-of-game researching)

Not to mention it's really just not very casual friendly, so it isn't going to pull in the Arc Raiders level of playerbase since the community here is, frankly, quite ruthless

The game heavily encourages killing on sight. There's an entire faction with some of the best weapons and upgrades in the game that is progressed only by straight up murdering other players.

[jovial bane]

True. And it was likely going to be more niche than Arc Raiders given barrier of entry.

But at the same time if someone said to me, or I've read the article that stated "Sony expected it to have lets say Marvel Rivals numbers" I'd believe it as well, as stupid as it sounds

[sand wigeon]

what sony expects and what bungie expects have always been different tbf

[twilit mountain]

Out of touch doesn't even begin to explain Sony's views on the gaming industry

The main reasons Rivals has high numbers are 1) it's free, 2) it's an extremely well known IP across the globe, and 3) it's beyond casual friendly.

[jovial bane]

Spot on.
Battlefield 6 situation, and bits of what Jeff Kaplan said about OW2 expectations in an interview really reinforce that belief for me.

[twilit mountain]

Personally I am extremely excited for the future of Marathon. This current latest map shows an incredibly interesting philosophy for design imo. Where Arc went with "PvE that is supposed to accentuate the flow of PvP" Marathon has gone with "high stakes PvP to fight over the high reward PvE boss".

[jovial bane]

I might have liked Tainted Grail a bit too much

[jovial bane]

tbh ? In my eyes that only proves that AAA game reviews have inflated scores. If someone scored Tainted Grail a 6 on relase, yeah that's fair. IMO that game is an 8, maybe and a half. But I'm playing a vastly improved version and a delta of 1 point is very understandable

on the other hand the language used in some articles compared to language used in say Avowed. Yeah that's more blatant

[desert jasper]

Got 1 div from shipment & 2div worth of tattoos
and 1 div from mappers

[warped wren]

I finally set up my mappers after I realized I had 3mil gold lying around

[placid yarrow]

That philosophy kinda reminds me of dark and darker

[gilded elm]

Yeah it sounds like Marathon is unapologetically PvP-focused and knows what it wants to be.

That's going to be a niche audience, but there's absolutely a market for that.

I played EVE Online for over a decade, I can definitely understand that adrenaline-fueled high stakes gameplay.

[abstract karma]

i would understand that if EVE ships would be controlled dynamically and not trough elements of RTS

pilot ship and try dodge / attack like in some Scrapland or newer games like last update of No-man Sky just hit differently in space battles
But is probably about what one more prefers

[neon sigil]

I got my defenses online. I can afk in dots now :v

[warped wren]

Baller

Where are your armaments? Did you swap builds?

[neon sigil]

Yeah, this is my second character.
I haven't even started on the damage side yet though lol

[warped wren]

Ah

[neon sigil]

I'm using my holy strike build to farm the divs for this

[warped wren]

What is it, cyclone shockwave?

Or what

[neon sigil]

I'm still trying to figure that out, so far it's just the defensive setup.

[warped wren]

If you want to use cyclone primarily for damage instead of as a trigger to enable something, then Tumult is probably better

[neon sigil]

oh that looks amazing :D thanks for the rec

[desert jasper]

Killed king of the mists 13 times in row
got the body armor 8 times, 6 amulets
no perfect corpses

[warped wren]

Any corpse outside of perfect tiger is worthless anyway

Because of that new scarab

Kinda funny seeing turtle go for 10c or whatever lmao

[desert jasper]

Wait, perfect turtle is only 10c ? 🤔
maybe I'll snag one

I didn't really check any of the prices

Oh yea, I should try corrupting my holy relic for maybe 21/23
and also should get a 21/20 anime guardian

[gilded elm]

Wrote this handy little PowerShell function so I never have to remember another sysadmin command ever again, wraps around Claude Code lol

[junior oyster]

First time dying to this badboi

Bottom decked well laid plans which pretty much cost me the run

[blissful token]

Yo maybe i am bashing LE but why is the Twitch Drop period so short? 4 days?

[junior oyster]

That's more than enough time. Most people probably quit by the time the twitch drops end

Unless this season will be really good

[blissful token]

Feels like a weekend sales or something

[junior oyster]

And I'm not bashing le. I really am hoping it finds its footing

[blissful token]

Also 8 hrs of watch time.. daheck?

[silent steeple]

2 hours of watch time each day

[desert jasper]

Yeah, 8 hours is a bit much
but they also start before the patch is even out

I don't really mind tbh
8 hours goes by fast

[fleet ravine]

I could math it out, but really, just set up a browser tab on an LE channel and let it run, tab muted, carry on with the grind, do other things around the house, whatever. 8 hours in 4 days is nothing if you're not even actively there, just checking in to make sure the stream's still running.

[desert jasper]

Just have to remember not to mute the player because then it might not count as watching it
and if it's not the only tab of that browser and it's not the one that's open it might also not count

[fleet ravine]

That really comes down to how twitch keeps handling and doing it. I have not had a problem like that in the past, personally.
And yes, I said browser tab, not player. Player being muted is known by the platform, browser tab should not be.

[desert jasper]

Yup, tab can be muted

[sand wigeon]

that is like not enough time lol

most drops run for two weeks minimum

[stone anvil]

3 days 8 hours kinda a lot

[sand wigeon]

have you heard of having a job

[stone anvil]

or being busy

[sand wigeon]

not everyone can sit at their computer with twitch open, even if they work from home, especially with how many businesses monitor computer usage during work hours

[sand wigeon]

yeah

like, "just open it and leave it playing!" whoops i woke up late and need to go go go

[fleet ravine]

It is a little more on how your browser works, really. The tab with twitch just has to be running, and there are settings and shenanigans that may interfere. Each tab is more an instance of the browser, but localized into one window.

[sand wigeon]

yeah

generally you can mute the tab, but not the stream

[stone anvil]

I will suggest dropping it down to 4 hours but Idk If it's still okay for 3 days

[sand wigeon]

just bump it to two weeks like most drops so that people can do it on their weekend

or has time to hear about it

[fleet ravine]

I'm just saying that there are options. It's up to each and every one of us to see if we can make something work for ourselves.

[stone anvil]

why not both?

[fleet ravine]

If you're busy enough that you can't set up a passive accumulation of hours while you do your thing, well...

[stone anvil]

dropping watching time and increasing event time

[sand wigeon]

sorry i was on a business trip ig.

or smth.

like c'mon

why are we defending a corporation denying their handouts of free, worthless cosmetics people might just enjoy having instead of going "yeah they could definitely bump up the time" lmao

[stone anvil]

honestly we all want the drops but we must find a way that's working for majority of players, I don't think 3 days-8 hours is enough for the event

[fleet ravine]

To be fair, I don't know how business trips work such that one gets no internet or no time for a laptop to run a single extra browser tab on mute in their downtime, but I also don't think all that many people live such lives, so there's that?

[sand wigeon]

most people on business trips don't have a laptop

and for like half their trip don't have wi-fi

also business trips are like one of the most normal things in any job

[fleet ravine]

For a certain social strata, maybe?

[sand wigeon]

i've had business trip offers at retail work

[fleet ravine]

Or maybe different parts of the world?

[sand wigeon]

most of their consumerbase is american

[fleet ravine]

That I wouldn't know.

[sand wigeon]

business trips are most common in canada-usa, western europe and asian countries such as china, japan and thailand

just saying i don't think we need to lobby for a longer time on twitch drops lmao

[fleet ravine]

In rough statistical numbers for the US, we're talking about some 1-1.5 million people who go on business trips. Conversely, the population of the US is about 340 + million.
Statistical relevance, much?

[sand wigeon]

sry how does this matter?

[fleet ravine]

Apologies, I did not know LE is a game for people that go on business trips regularly.

[stone anvil]

let's change the topic, do you guys think can people watch streams approximately 2 hours a day for 3 days in a row?

[sand wigeon]

i think you missed my point

[fleet ravine]

It's not about watching, really. People who want to watch will pick their own thing to watch or do directly and some of us work with using our technology to our advantage to cover that 8 hour for all the stuff. It's a given during any twitch campaign that channels of the catergory see a big increase in... lurkers.

[silent steeple]

The idea behind twitch drops should be about exposure of the new season or the game itself. Longer the exposure, higher the chances of new viewers learning about it. Idk if just 4 days of exposure would accomplish that

[sand wigeon]

all i was saying is that people have lives and i think four days is too short and i think it'd be good if more people had more of a chance to get the drops

that way people have more of a time to learn about the drops and more time to learn about the new season

somebody going on a business trip was just one of many examples why four days is too short

it wasn't rly about, like... business trips as a concept

[twilit mountain]

Unfortunately it seems to be more about making their product look more played/popular than it really is.

[sand wigeon]

again, idk why we're even entertaining "no four is fine," it's free for this corporation to bump it up and bumping it up only has benefits

[desert jasper]

Yup
A lot of people watch things on twitch just for the drops and then they can use that artificially elevated number for purposes

[fleet ravine]

In a sense, even the lurkers matter. Every viewer matters, since it bumps the category's relevance to the algorithms that decide what goes on the generic twitch front page.

It's a system that game companies use to garner some interest in their product when their product is relevant, such as aprgs and seasonal content.

[sand wigeon]

damn they should like, let their viewers be bumped up for longer then.

that's crazy ong

[fleet ravine]

I mean, I know next to nothing about the ruleset of marketing, but I do see its tools and effects.

These campaigns are not for us to get cosmetics, it's for the game to gain exposure. The cosmetics are the bone they throw us to do so.

[sand wigeon]

you do not need to be defending the corp i promise

[fleet ravine]

It's not even about the corporation. Any business with a product needs exposure. It's just a reality of the whole system

[sand wigeon]

it's literally not the convo i'm having tho

[fleet ravine]

What, that you would like LE to get more exposure in general? Apologies, I may fail to understand.

[sand wigeon]

no that i think people should be able to get the cool drops lmao

[fleet ravine]

So literally the part that the cosmetics are the bone to entice us to participate in the process of the game getting more exposure is all, then. Ok, fair enough, I have said my piece, carry on.

[sand wigeon]

yeah because i care about the consumer and not... the corp's analytics lol

[fleet ravine]

To that I say that maybe you should look at the system that leads to such situations in the first place.

[sand wigeon]

no thx

[fleet ravine]

Fair enough, then I apologize for intervening.

[sand wigeon]

i'm not engaging in pseudointellectual convo over twitch drops lmao

[blissful token]

I just feel it is abit scummy to run for ~4 days only. What about those who wants the cosmetics but were not aware of the Twitch Drop? Minimum of 2 weeks like other Twitch Drop campaign as buffer isnt too much to ask for. The 8 hours watchtime makes it even tighter for those who only knows about it later.

Many of LE season launch in the past were not very well-received/unknown cuz LE lacked in advertising it.

Is this supposed to induce FOMO instead?

[placid yarrow]

Lmao

He's too gangster to look at us straight

[sand wigeon]

by the gods, henry's come to save us!

[shy sage]

Watch streams 8h for a mtx isn't sound cool. It's too time-consuming.

[placid yarrow]

You can just have it on in the background tbf

Nah wtf they're doing my pebbles dirty with that value

[vagrant topaz]

Open a stream, put sound at 1%, reduce the window, go to sleep

GG

[fleet ravine]

Just mute browser tab instead. Although unsure how it works on phones.

[shy sage]

Hhhhh I like your idea

[vagrant topaz]

That's what I do everytime 😎😁

[placid yarrow]

That's the meta fr

[fleet ravine]

Precisely that

[blissful token]

for some reason i can mute the stream (not tab) and it works for firefox but not chrome

[placid yarrow]

Stretch he calls it

[jovial bane]

All the work and time allocation stuff aside I think 8 hours with such a short campaign time will pretty much ensure everyone will just open the tab and run it in the background.
That sounds like going against the spirit of what twitch drops for watch time are meant to be IMO :/

[fleet ravine]

But that's what most tech-savvy people who also play games do. For me personally, I have my short list of streamers I support by watching and lurking consistently and none of them are arpg players. If there's a drop campaign for a game I play, then I open a new tab, plop a streamer in, mute tab, go on with my life.

[jovial bane]

oh nono, I think what people do is reasonable

I think the combination of view time, and campaign length will pretty much funnel most people into doing that, and that kind of defeats the intention behind the twitch drops

[fleet ravine]

Yes an no, Twitch campaigns are more about bumping the game category up in popularity and thus expose it to more people that may not know it even exists. We are living in an age of probably unqantifiably many games on the market.

Not all people go in with a target, some just go in on the front page and look around, or in the category of arpg, let's say, and look about.

It's less a campaign for us who are already here, it's more about making more people aware the game exists, is kicking still.

[jovial bane]

hmm, in that way it makes sense

[fleet ravine]

There can be deeper discussions about it, but hey, at its simplest, it's all about exposure.

[fleet ravine]

(as a continuation from #💬┃general message )
I agree that achievements that only exist within a game having actual meaning are more testament to the sad state of affairs that life itself is in.
At the same time, games have a rather complex and multi-lateral role in developing children. And I don't mean video games here. The concept of a game was more a way to develop aspects of the new human and really their brains. Socialization was also a key factor. Then we went and made vidja games that we can play as adults. And then the can of worms opened...

[rich bolt]

And what kind of development would you have in copying someone else's build and min/maxing the game just to beat it

[fleet ravine]

Therein is the thing. We who play games play them in very different ways than the children we once were.

[rich bolt]

On one hand you have exploration/logic/critical thinking on the other you have copy paste

[fleet ravine]

If RL provides those, do you go seeking for them in a game?

[rich bolt]

Nah I optimize my work and life but I take my sweet time exploring and testing stuff in games since they have no real repercussions

[fleet ravine]

Precisely.

[rustic meteor]

Oh this arpg has 100000 possible build combinations and some actual freedom in character building. Let's just copycat stuff cause you have to farm corruption 1500 just to flex!

[rich bolt]

Is it even a flex if you copy something someone else streamlined for you

[fleet ravine]

My job is not the most engaging, so I turned to games to see some different ways of approaching problems. And then RL got more complicated :p

[rustic meteor]

Btw why offtopic , aren't we ontopic?

[rustic meteor]

Idk tbh was just guessing some random motivation

[rich bolt]

Idk I don't really care where I lead a conversation as long as the company is entertaining

[rustic meteor]

But anyway everybody can play its own way

Personally i play arpgs mostly for character building

[fleet ravine]

I was merely arguing that the way we play games is a reflection of what else is a part of our lives.

[rich bolt]

The true motivation in copying builds is completing something that others consider difficult but for me personally this achievement is like sitting on a rollercoaster with so many safeties it feels like a drive to the grocery store

[rustic meteor]

I will not gatekeep, as i said i don't want to say others what's fun and what's not

[fleet ravine]

There is another little bit about arpgs: yes ,a lot of gear, no, not all of them work off of each other.

[rich bolt]

Absolutely no critical thinking or excitement of finding something new

[fleet ravine]

I don't intend to gategeep either, it's more a topic of thought.

[rustic meteor]

I just know that if it wasn't for theorycrafting/building i would probably wouldn't even play arpgs

And i do since diablo 1 😂

Being and old fart

[rich bolt]

I remember my first character in D2

Never made it past normal

[rustic meteor]

Mine was frenzy barb which totally sucked cause no gear 😂

[rich bolt]

I made a paladin but I put everything in strength

[fleet ravine]

I work a rather mentally demanding job in the form of bug fixing ancient software with only myself to really rely on. I solve logic puzzles for a living in a way that mixes both "what was the intent" with "what is the current demand" such that the end result is compatible with the rest of the software and the demand is satisfied.
Beleive you me, I don't need more puzzle solving in my games. I take only the light forms.

[rustic meteor]

To each his own

Everybody has his needs/taste

[rich bolt]

Can you imagine a full strength paladin facetanking diablo's lightning attack?

That was me

[fleet ravine]

I am also speaking of a sense in which yes, a pre-built build has merit.

[rich bolt]

I was so surprised when I died before my zeal swings ended

[rustic meteor]

Stat distribution was easy to fk up in d2 first time you play

[fleet ravine]

Even pre-built builds can be judged on their merits. You can go in and ask yourself "why does this make sense" And "How does this setup feel in terms of what the game has to offer". There is insight to be gleamed from that too.

[rustic meteor]

20+ yrs later i still play project d2 occasionally,you guys ever tried?

[rich bolt]

But it's such a simple game once you actually figure out what the stats do

[rich bolt]

Absolutely

The cleave melee is such a nice qol no matter what anyone says

[rustic meteor]

Yeah well it's stats enough to equip your endgame gear and the rest dump in vit. Except block builds

[rich bolt]

Yeah enough dex to get the block cap

And get the hit rate up

[rustic meteor]

Ofc splash melee dmg is amazing

Last season i rolled a leap barb and had a blast

[rich bolt]

There were some D2 veterans that were saying "it's no longer D2" yeah right buddy it's still amazing

Making a phoenix strike assassin was a blast

[rustic meteor]

It's actually better than original

[rich bolt]

Imo yeah I wish they added melee splash to D2R

Even if it was just a toggle option in single player

[rustic meteor]

Instead you had a broken warlock 😂

[rich bolt]

It's not that bad

[rustic meteor]

It seems supergood

[rich bolt]

I played warlock a bit it's definitely a good class but compared to a druid and sorc.... It's just good

I mean sorc can tp around the map farming everything and druid has so much aoe and cc

Let's not forget the hammerdin

[rustic meteor]

Yeah well hammerdin in d2 always been silly

[rich bolt]

And that assassin build with the combo resets?

Sure let's take the pd2 assassin but make it gear specific and ramp it up to a screen explosion

[rustic meteor]

Yeah well that is a d2r specific aberration 😂

[rich bolt]

That assassin build was literally the only thing that was stronger than anything in pd2

[rustic meteor]

I don't even play d2r

[rich bolt]

I loved the new graphics to be honest in terms of remakes it's a top tier one

I don't regret buying it

I can't say I love giving that company money

But for the sake of my own entertainment I'd say it was worth it

[rustic meteor]

I could even give it a go one day

[rich bolt]

If you see a good discount I'd say it's a decent purchase

Tho I'd say satisfactory is even better

I can't believe I'm already 600hr in that damn game

[rustic meteor]

Y arpgs are timesinkers

[rich bolt]

Nah I mean satisfactory

Factory automation game

[rustic meteor]

Ahh idk about that

[fleet ravine]

Satisfactory was a bit of fresh air after going through the full deal on factorio with bob's mods that add possibly twice the automation necessities.

[rich bolt]

I went in satisfactory expecting to sink some time and then I started dreaming factory lines in my dreams

This game took over my life for a while

Good thing I was on a vacation leave

Played it a whole 2 weeks without stopping

Legit got addicted

[jovial bane]

Satisfactory for some reason did not hook me up nearly as much as Factorio did

[fleet ravine]

Satisfactory was meant as a more light-hearted factorio, really. There was humor to be enjoyed as one built up a sprawling factory

[rich bolt]

I never played Factorio I just saw a video from Let's game it out about satisfactory and I just put it on a wishlist until I saw a discount

The rest is history

[placid yarrow]

Same. I am planning to revisit it though

Haven't played it since before it launched iirc

[jovial bane]

it's before the final retouches, but I like how this coin turned out to be

I've noticed couple of golden specks on the photo >.>

[placid yarrow]

I'm too busy with kcd2 right now though. Great game

[desert jasper]

My first Elder of the league dropped this

[twilit mountain]

Not bad at all

[mental talon]

Made a place holder Twilight for Jugg Str Stacker (havent played a Jugg build in a minute and havent Str stacked in like 2 years)

[hardy crane]

nice

[mental talon]

Cant do Dense Fossil spam because Delvers are askign for unhinged prices for them right now smh.

[desert jasper]

Huh
3 out of the 4 synth bosses dropped me Cortex

[twilit mountain]

Yeeeeah I'm not sure how I feel about them making fossils delve exclusive now. Delve is such a pain in the ass to build for and unlike pretty much every other "mechanic locked currency" these aren't supplemental to crafting.

[hardy crane]

wonder if I can snag a bitterbind shield with +1 max specs before I swap to LE in 2 days

[mental talon]

I'm fine with it because I've always hated how mechanics lost identity around Legion League or w.e. (I yearn for the day doing Cortex drops Triple Synthesis items again). I'll pay the toll eventually I'm just a little broke after doing some crafting and waiting for some other crafts to sell to go again lmao.

[hardy crane]

got this last night

[mental talon]

Need like 1.5 more Mirrors for the Acceleration Belt I want WEW

[mental talon]

Naisu

[desert jasper]

my minion weapon
looking a little different

[twilit mountain]

Oh yeah I looked at the shrine belt and went "nah. MB stays."

[mental talon]

I've got my Simplex crafted, Chest crafted, I need to make an Influenced Gull, and uhhh Volatile Vaal Orb a few Replica Alberon's

[mental talon]

Yeah the one I want is like 15 Mirrors. I still want it and I'm probably gonna do some degenerate farming to get it

[twilit mountain]

There's nothing in the game that could possibly make me tolerate farming that much

[desert jasper]

Which one would that be?

[mental talon]

It was Accel + Resistance but I think the last oen got sold. I'll probably "settle" for Accel + Impenetrable

Yeah that one is only 3 Mirrors.

[desert jasper]

Yeah I wouldn't farm that lul

[warped wren]

I'm currently farming near a mirror myself

Because it's about what I need to get Smite Bob Glad off the ground

[warped wren]

You can just farm dense fossils at normal depths equivalent to red maps. Friend of mine did that for a bit and made solid bank without any difficulty

[twilit mountain]

That doesn't change my stance. Mainly because the way I approach the game is if I'm playing a specific mechanic I am playing that mechanic.

[warped wren]

Not even dynamiting walls, just regular old fossil nodes

[warped wren]

So that's a good thing right? Means you'd make even more if you were to build specifically for Delve. Though you don't need to, you can just play it like any other in map farm

[twilit mountain]

Sure, if delve builds weren't already stupid expensive and primarily builds I don't really like, it'd be a good thing

[warped wren]

I mean, what you're referring to are deep delve builds

You don't need deep delve builds to farm fossils

[twilit mountain]

Yes. That is in fact how I play Delve.

[warped wren]

That's my point

Sure, that's how you play, but that's not how a lot of people play is the point. It's a good thing that people are rewarded for playing a mechanic by getting currency and items exclusive to that mechanic

Regardless of the intensity at which they engage with it

Like Heist mats are so good rn, you just put in like 20 points on your atlas tree and you're rolling in currency

[fleet ravine]

I was feeling like a flex, but since I cannot search for my 3rd mageblood on Standard via the site due to rate limiting, and I never put my characters onto ninja for poe1, well... Can't even flex that one craft that I wanted to.

[twilit mountain]

We're at odds here and neither of us are going to budge I feel. So I'm just gonna move on.

[fleet ravine]

Here's a PoE2 craft instead. And yes, it was made by me from the white base upwards. Granted, last season.

Although the amulet off of my very last character (chonomancer) is arguably the best craft I ever hit via RNG.

[warped wren]

All PoE2 crafting is RNG

Game just doesn't have enough systems rn

[fleet ravine]

And apparently discord doesn't want me to name that one omen we had for a single season that the wand I linked was made with.

[twilit mountain]

It's cuz of the first 4 letters

Classic Scunthorpe

[fleet ravine]

But ultimately, that one weapon I had for seismic way back when is probably the most bonkers craft and I can't link it until the poe site lets me see my items again.

The wand above does have a little story behind it. I had actually fumbled the craft. I then applied an annul and perfect exalt and got the lighting damage affix instead of my fail affix.

From nearly back to the drawing board to possibly better than I could've ever hoped for.

[desert jasper]

Killed Maven finally too
Died in the last memory phase

[twilit mountain]

Real tbh. Hate that rat.

[fleet ravine]

Well, it finally let me take the screenie.

I legitimately do not remember if I even bought it as is, been too long since.

[desert jasper]

Yeah, I always put it away as much as I can
I just don't think a thing like that should be in arpg
also it's not visually clear enough to me

[fleet ravine]

Maven? Was second nature to me, but the memory game is indeed the dumbest multitasking kind of mechanic I've ever seen.

[desert jasper]

Yeah the rest of the fight isn't a big deal
but the memery game

I have issues with my eyes

[fleet ravine]

You should see uber maven, though.

[desert jasper]

I'd rather not

[fleet ravine]

Of the ubers, I never did Exarch, because that's the other entirely BS mechanic. I forget if I did uber cortex, because that is also a pain of a fight.

And nothing of the recent additions, since I outright quit after Settlers.

[warped wren]

literally could not do Maven with my character this league because I can't control the movement

350% MS is too much

[fleet ravine]

I was expecting you to say flicker.

[warped wren]

Flicker would be easier because you can at least move normally and then engage

[desert jasper]

I've tried uber eater once
I just uhh don't like the uber fights.
I'm fine with them being a thing and having loot
but I don't think I can do them personally

I'm also not that good a player mechanically

[warped wren]

same. I only do ubers on characters that are idiotically tanky

and can just stand there and take it

cba otherwise

did a bunch of uber into Feared rotas in merc

kinda crazy money if you have the patience

[fleet ravine]

It's one of the reasons why I adopted the guide play style. So I could worry more about learning the aspects of the game itself without worrying about "do I go for this item or that item" and just have some goals set and worry about the piloting of build aspect, get to grips with the motion and control part

[warped wren]

ok that's 3/20 at least

[fleet ravine]

Only ever did bossing and invitations for myself and solo. But yeah, Feared was the best of the lot, in a "you're going to die because of all the one-shot mechanics flying around" kind of way.

Dodging around some atziry storm calls? Here's a shaper beam. Oh, and chayula is spinning chaos bolts about in your direction.

This one, off the same build, is my own craft, however. Nearly forgot about it, though the occultist build (hexblast mines) in settlers had even better gloves.

And this was the ammy. Also self-made.

Technically, spot the reason.

[desert jasper]

Ah yea
I haven't actually updated my flasks since I started mapping on this character

[fleet ravine]

I would advise not upgrading to that one without... hint hint

[desert jasper]

I made 30div today from running temple (got 3 Aspect drops)
but.. I've only 2div left
I honestly can't even remember where I spent a bunch of it

Ooh right
i spent 20 on buying elegant hubris

[warped wren]

I don't have anything meaningful to upgrade on this build anymore

So all the currency is going into the bank

[desert jasper]

I could get double corrupted diallas
and a svalinn
and higher lvl empowered & enhance

[warped wren]

Svalinn is 100% worth

bonkers item

[desert jasper]

Oh yea
jus tdon't have the divs for it
but i'll get there

Either drop one or farm the divs

[neon sigil]

how many are you away from it?

[warped wren]

Made another shard and a half today, roughly

Slowly chugging along ig

[placid yarrow]

Surely I can avoid them killing my units

[desert jasper]

Like 70
But I'll take a break from poe to play the le season

[fleet ravine]

Just drop a mageblood [/s].

[junior oyster]

I might take a break from sts2 to play a bit of sonic racing crossworlds and then maybe le

Looking forward to the megaman dlc

[desert jasper]

That's what I did last season
First key I got was foil mageblood with 4 flasks
Funded my entire league
Tbh I did also find svalinn later and one of the good drops from king of the mists
Even bought another mageblood and gave it to deias

[stone anvil]

surely you don't need minions

[placid yarrow]

The deck only has like 10 unit cards

Including champions

It's a Kayle control deck

Actually doing pretty well

But basically if your Kayle dies it's gg

[stone anvil]

rip

[placid yarrow]

Hence all the spell shields and frostbites

[desert jasper]

Sweet, first starfall crater I see

This league, that is

No drops, sad

[fleet ravine]

I was merely joking. I never played PoE expecting a big drop to fund my plans, only ever took it in its stride, relying on what I already dropped to plan the future. Even when starting big crafting projects that would sink 100+ divines worth of currency (provided I hit the affixes within reasonable amount of rolls).

[jovial bane]

not really, you can do the old classic called "the wincon is opponent rage quitting the game"

In magic there was one infamous case at pro level tournament in which one of the players boarded out their only wincon in game 2 iirc, he realised the mistake midway through the game but proceed to combo off anyway. Opponent conceded, because who would not include the wincon at the end of combo chain 🤣

[indigo shadow]

Wait, we're talking LE on offtopic? and talking offtopic in #💬┃general ? 😂

He man Barbies? thoughts?

[desert jasper]

Finally did Feared by myself

Dropped awakener orb, elder exalt & hunter exalt
Never killed the feared before.. Though i'll admit it was no mods one
was surprised my AG died there. no other minions died though

[jovial bane]

Ew no, I'm not opposed to the idea of some kind of He Man toys, but those proportions ? Ew

He needs to be built like Conan played by Schwarzenegger

In fact I bet he was inspired by how Conan looked in that movie

[warped wren]

In one Feared you got all 3???

[desert jasper]

Yes

[warped wren]

That's actually crazy RNG

Best I ever got in one go farming feared rotas was Church + Orb of Dominance

Or was it conflict

Idr

[desert jasper]

Too bad the elder exalt was only worth like 10c
Also not a big fan of the Dread boss either

[warped wren]

Yeah he's kinda annoying

So is Sirus

It's nice that they got rid of Chayula because that was a pushover, but Atziri was lethal enough

Putting in Sirus though

Yuck

[desert jasper]

Tbh I didn't have issues with Sirus
However when my AG died my dmg dropped a lot and suddenly no more culling strike

[warped wren]

I just hate how he's designed

Absolutely bullshit boss

[desert jasper]

I remember the first time I ever fought him
he just stood in his cloud at the edge of the arena and the cloud didn't go away
I wasn't pleased with that

[fleet ravine]

Huh, so they switched chayula with sirus in feared, then? Must be some power creep going on in there. Used to do feared with modifiers and chayula would be... an issue. But sirus is something else, since he has moves that need special attention to that go beyond any previous bosses that are also in feared. Ever watched beauty crumble? And died?

[desert jasper]

Because ol' chaluppa is no more

just like the other breachlords aren't

[fleet ravine]

I see, they really are merging the stories now.

Xesht is... maybe more mechanically complex, but not what I'd call fun.

[desert jasper]

Well... yes?
What did you expect
They did want to make some kind of how do we go from the old breachlords to the poe2 version and why there's suddenly a playable chaluppa discipline

[fleet ravine]

They couldn't settle with just "PoE2 picks up some decades later", they have to change PoE1 to better match the story of 2. So much for easily distinguishable titles.

[warped wren]

You'd have to be completely lobotomized to not be able to distinguish between PoE 1 and 2

[fleet ravine]

Instead of, idk... revisiting old bosses and mechanics and bringing them up to date?

For now, yes.

I meant more in the sense that one of their initial stated goals was to keep them separate.

[desert jasper]

They still are separate
And honestly the old breachlords were terrible

[fleet ravine]

After the outcry of not keeping 1 around that forced them to keep 1.

[desert jasper]

I'm not sure what you mean there

[fleet ravine]

Poe2 was meant to replace 1. Then players went up in arms and forced them to keep 1 around.

But I wager they're working on that :p

[desert jasper]

It wasn't meant to replace poe 1? literally never was

[fleet ravine]

It was. The poe1 campaign was supposed to be a separate campaign path in 2.

[desert jasper]

it was originally meant to be patch 4.0 for poe1 and then they expanded it so much that it became poe2

not a "replacement"

Originally there was no "poe2"

[fleet ravine]

It has a funky history for sure.

[warped wren]

What are you talking about PoE2 wasn't even a thing originally, like nub said it was supposed to be a massive expansion for PoE. But then they realized that the amount of changes they were stuffing in would make it a different game entirely, and they were too constrained by existing things in 1, so they took the leap to make it a separate game

This is literally fully explained, fully documented history, just look at Chris' speech and interviews from his last Exilecon

[fleet ravine]

Looking it up. While the history is recorded as design shifts, I was also privy to the player base's outcries at that time.

[warped wren]

I just told you

There was no outcry. People were just flabbergasted at GGG deciding to suddenly make 2 games. There was plenty of hype even then

Outcry only came later after 0.1 and people realizing how crap so much of it was

You can look at Chris' speech, Octavian's first interview, Ziz's interviews from that 'Con, Mathil's, Ziggy's, even Nugi's

Their reasoning is fully explained, and while players were surprised, some concerned, a few skeptical, nobody was like omg how dare you I hate this

[fleet ravine]

I'll grant you that one of the things I deliberately never did was look at press stuff. But also because of that I lost track of time and may be confusing dates at this point.

[warped wren]

Yeah so you don't know what you're talking about basically, thanks for wasting my time

[fleet ravine]

I was too busy at that time minding my own business and reading the takes as they came in from the community I am a part of on that end.

[jovial bane]

and the fact it affected PoE for a while as well

as in the patch pipepline, not game quality

[warped wren]

Yeah that only exploded after 0.1. Like people were annoyed in Settlers but there was cope

[jovial bane]

yup

[warped wren]

And then we had flat attack times for mace attacks in 0.1

[indigo shadow]

I mean, Mattel owned both of Barbie and MOTU

[warped wren]

Melee fixed, thanks Jonathan

[jovial bane]

I will only say that some balance changes in PoE2 are certainly ... a choice

[fleet ravine]

At any rate, I admit to not having my facts fully straight. Now, let's see how distinct they will keep poe1 from 2 in everything but the graphics in due time.

[warped wren]

At least it's kinda mid now. On launch it was literally poe2/10

Hopefully by 1.0 it might even be good

[fleet ravine]

Calling beta 0.1 a launch is a bit of a stretch, though :p

[jovial bane]

I mean it is early access launch

[fleet ravine]

If taken as such, sure. But who goes into EA and expects a full game with polish to match? (Apparently some people do)

[jovial bane]

Melee or balance ? Because it wasn't good, but 0.2 ?
Man 0.2 gave me flashbacks to the lake league

[warped wren]

I'm not the one treating it like a league, with seasonal launches and mtx sets and boxes

[warped wren]

Everything

It's getting better though

Bit by bit

[jovial bane]

since 0.3 ye

[fleet ravine]

If anything, GGG has the money from pockets goes into money to fund the game deal down.

[warped wren]

I am just heartily sick of "please follow the build guide" nonsense

Even though I really enjoyed shapeshifting, I think it's combo gameplay well done and rewarding, I'd just like there to be a lot more choice in how I build

[fleet ravine]

I am sick of recommendations to play a game this or that way. Find your own way and play it to enjoy it.

[warped wren]

Rather than one bog standard template

[twilit mountain]

The only money GGG has gotten from me in almost 5 years has been for PoE2 access because my account technically wasn't valid to get it for free. And it's gonna stay that way until I see it going a direction I'm happy with again, but as is I'm just fed mid-ass patch after mid-ass patch in two games instead of one now.

[warped wren]

Like ha ha if you wolf you use these 5 skills in this order, if you bear you use these other 5 in that order, AND THAT'S IT OTHERWISE YOUR WHOLE CHARACTER FALLS APART

Like come on bro

[junior oyster]

That's only possible for a fully offline moddable game for me

[warped wren]

You guys are known for your creativity

Act like it

[jovial bane]

what bear form ?

[fleet ravine]

I spent too much early on, being overly hopeful only to be disillusioned down the line.

[jovial bane]

But shapeshifting definitely feels like has not enough abilities, or it should have only two forms not 3 with the current skill amount

[desert jasper]

I skipped 0.2

[junior oyster]

I spent just over how much was needed to qualify for 'free' access

I think

[warped wren]

My take is more that the synergies are WAY TOO FORCED

[fleet ravine]

I spent most the money I've spent on PoE during my early time with it, well before PoE2 was a notion.

[jovial bane]

ofc they are, there are like 6 abilities per form at most

[sand wigeon]

i paid $30 for it

i wasted $30 on it

[warped wren]

Like I played Wolf all league. If you're not using at least 4 of the wolf skills (if not all), you're leaving an absurd amount of power on the table because of how they interact. It's so absurd. There's no substitute for them either

[junior oyster]

Diablo 3 archon vibes

[warped wren]

That's atrocious

[fleet ravine]

Damn them and their cosmic MTX and then their attractive MTX combination that I got a transcendence set of...

[junior oyster]

I miss archon

[sand wigeon]

so is your name accurate on purpose or did god compel you

[fleet ravine]

No, that was just me being way too impulsive back then.

Character growth in RL, imagine that :p

[neon sigil]

Bruh my biggest issue in poe2 by far

I love doing wacky off meta builds but that just isn't really a thing there

[warped wren]

Yeah it's pretty stupid

[junior oyster]

I remember the hype for shapeshifting xd

[warped wren]

I think shapeshifting gets rewarding combos right

So there's hope

[neon sigil]

I use to do mace strike witch. And then it got double nerfed q.q

[warped wren]

Lack of freedom is more of a pervasive issue rather than shapeshifting issue

[desert jasper]

A friend complained about them nerfing stuff between seasons (just yesterday on call he complained about it, both for poe1 & 2)
how apparently his poison char in poe2 standard has been hit so hard that it's not even worth playing it anymore

Tbh I think he doesn't even have any deflection on that char, just evasion

[neon sigil]

they raised attribute requirements on 2h'ers then nerfed giants blood. Double whammy

[desert jasper]

And then he also complained how in late season poe2 it's so hard to find bow upgrades
said that "the next actual upgrade would be like 200 divs"
and I'm sure that he could find an upgrade for cheaper than that

... also he keeps asking me for price checks

[junior oyster]

It's his way of saying poo2 sucks

[desert jasper]

Oh he definitely is extremely annoyed

[warped wren]

Your friend sounds clueless because the level of powercreep that game has seen in just a year is insane

[desert jasper]

He's not much of an arpg player tbh
I do try my best to give him advice when he asks stuff
but

[junior oyster]

Ngl poe2 is something I'm going to avoid for a while. I hate being punished by both exp and map loss

[desert jasper]

The map loss isn't a thing in lower tier maps, only like
higher tier with a lot of mods

[junior oyster]

Yea still a no from me

[desert jasper]

They luckily gave up on that only 1 attempt
even the pinnacle stuff isn't only 1 attempt anymore

But yeah, I get that

[junior oyster]

Then again I'll never be convinced exp loss is a worthy mechanic

[silent steeple]

Remind me, once the game launches all of this will be reset, right?

[obtuse rune]

No matter what game, XP loss hurts my soul

[warped wren]

That still sucks ass

[junior oyster]

Yea and ggg brought it over from d2 😭

[warped wren]

There is no reason for it to exist when xp loss and mechanics loss is so punishing

[obtuse rune]

Traumatized dramatically when playing FFXI years ago. The gut feeling that you lose a level 😭

[junior oyster]

And made it way worse

[warped wren]

The world would be better off if game devs stopped deepthroating D2 and moved on

[junior oyster]

I love grim dawn and the exp loss is way less punishing but I still dislike it

[desert jasper]

They said no reset
just that the beta characters are moved to their own thing so they can't interact with new characters in any way

[junior oyster]

I think he is talking about certain game changes?

Like map loss no longer being a thing?

[desert jasper]

Oh
No idea about those 🤷‍♂️

[junior oyster]

At least not while you have the map 6mod+ and you only get 1 chance

I don't know but I hope they change their minds

Then again if I die in a 6mod map it's most likely a skill issue

[desert jasper]

We'll see what they'll bring with the end game rework
If it even comes next season

[sand wigeon]

i remember when i was playing the campaign on release and literally did not have the damage or survivability to progress on a poison build

[desert jasper]

Yeah, when I played it in season 3 it took me a long time to get past act2 boss
because I hadn't found a new bow for 10 lvls

[warped wren]

Yeah they buffed it since. There's a few good bow poison builds that exist now but IMO it's quite stupid because they scale the same way as any other attack i.e. hit damage and crit

Gas clouds critting is thematically very dumb if you ask me

[desert jasper]

They just hit especially dense part of the gas cloud

[warped wren]

[desert jasper]

But yeah, I don't like that they scale in the exact same way
and how the best way to scale anything is + levels

[warped wren]

Tbf it's not like poison in PoE1 is super interesting either

In fact it's actually awful and the only good builds with it are either jank as hell or expensive as hell, often both

[desert jasper]

Yup
But ignites too scale in same way...

[warped wren]

Well yes but actually no dot gif

Ignites have much easier access to prolif, and because they're hard capped at 1, they generally have much better scalers

Single poison got nuked out of nowhere this league

[desert jasper]

I meant poe2 ignite

[warped wren]

It wasn't even exceptionally strong

[warped wren]

Oh that, yeah ailments suck ass in PoE2

Zero identity

Brainless use

[desert jasper]

But alas, it is what it is
maybe they'll eventually change it

[sand wigeon]

(i didn't know about gas clouds when i played to clarify)

(but the combo with it got booted anyway lol)

[twilit mountain]

(If you scale ele damage with the funny poison gloves and an ele xbow then poison grenades are still good)

[sand wigeon]

(yeah)

[warped wren]

You can even do the whole cloud + poison flower thing + poison rain thing now

I think aer0 leaguestarted that in 0.4 and it was pretty stupid damage

And Dreamcore just went gas cloud crit

[sand wigeon]

it's rly funny comparing to when i played

i actually had to get carried through sekhema because fights would have been like an hour long

and the only game i'll suffer that much for is dark souls 2.

[twilit mountain]

(Hi, I'm the carry)

[sand wigeon]

ano was there too iirc

[desert jasper]

Hi carry

[sand wigeon]

it's THE carry

get it right

[twilit mountain]

Hello 👋

[sand wigeon]

i rly need to watch all of jjk but i can never get through hidden inventory arc because i don't care about any of the characters

[twilit mountain]

It flows far better in the manga where you can get through it in like, 20 minutes

[warped wren]

My 0.1 experience with maces was some of the most miserable time I've ever had in gaming

[twilit mountain]

Meanwhile it's like 9 episodes of the anime lmao

[sand wigeon]

and my favorite character also goes away after the first season

and my second favorite is a side character

and then the other character's i like die

so the show is rly just "wow i don't rly care about any of these people"

[twilit mountain]

Remember how we had one genuinely crazy mace build in 0.1 and they patched it out as soon as it went public?

[sand wigeon]

lmao

i remember you ranting about it

[warped wren]

Default attack with splash and HOI yes

And before that Stampede with armor break and HoI

Which was patched out in like 2 days

HoI + HoT pops lasted two leagues

[twilit mountain]

Don't worry they also patched out VF!!

[warped wren]

Can't even make this shit up

VF?

[twilit mountain]

Volcanic Fissure

[warped wren]

Ah right that jankness

[sand wigeon]

pina colada celsius flavor: 7/10, pretty good but the coconut is pretty muted. it mostly tastes like pineapple ngl but like that's good too 'cause i like pineapple, but it's a little one note

[twilit mountain]

The skill that has not been used even as a support skill ever since that nerf

"Bug fix" sorry

"Oh it crashes instances" okay? Fix that then?

[warped wren]

It's unhinged, the difference between staff melee and maces

[jovial bane]

I don't quite hate 0.1, because I feel like it was also the most diverse patch builds wise

the rest kind of started narrowing things down more and more

[warped wren]

Diversity is legit a myth. It only exists because the game is relatively unexplored. All so called diversity is completely bound by whether devs allow specific interactions to work or not

And generally they don't

And there's no consistency between cases either

[sand wigeon]

can't have more diversity than #deadlock

(different genre of game but w/e)

[twilit mountain]

I had a bow in 0.1 that was like, 450d in value that I used to test skills and that's how I found out that in the entire bow catalogue there was a whopping 4 usable "main skills" and two of them were only good for clearing maps lol

[jovial bane]

if go by different genres I think something like Pathfinder 1e is very hard to reach, let alone beat

[warped wren]

They are so, So, SO careful and actually terrified of abuse cases that the game is basically play as intended or fugg off

[sand wigeon]

slopfinder

[jovial bane]

[fallow vessel]

@mild spruce it says you play Remnant 2

[mild spruce]

Yeah, why?

[fallow vessel]

would you be kind to give me strong statement on how it improved compared to first installment?

[mild spruce]

Oh 2nd is SO much better imo, graphics are gorgeous, the class and subclasses are amazing and it has so much more replayability and with prisms, alot of endgame min maxing

[fallow vessel]

what about world leveling? I remember first had the problem where everything is always stronger than you and you are constantly behind

[mild spruce]

Depends on difficulty, generally it stays at your gear level or 1 above (also no armour leveling so it's much smoother to upgrade gear)

Class level does matter a bit but I never noticed it be too harsh

[sand wigeon]

i've also played it, remnant 2 has better systems across the board

[mild spruce]

Although some bosses will ofc kick your ass xD

[sand wigeon]

remnant 1 was more a tech demo than anything, but remnant 2 is genuinely an amazing soulslike

[fallow vessel]

is there ability to fist enemies?

[sand wigeon]

it's like going from demon souls to dark souls 3

yeah there's melee combat, it is a gun game first and foremost

[fallow vessel]

https://giphy.com/gifs/movie-brad-pitt-ow9hMM6lSVq0w

[mild spruce]

Define fist. You can full melee and tank if you have the right gear and build

[fallow vessel]

fist weapons

[mild spruce]

I'm pretty sure

[fallow vessel]

since you're talking guns, well

are there crossbows?

[mild spruce]

I mostly did occultist throwing ace build ( shocks enemy on hit, blows them up and spreads in a huge area)

[fallow vessel]

because I remember first barely had anything other than some bs like remingtons

[mild spruce]

Yeah, iirc the 3rd dlc had the trinity crossbow, not sure about any others

There is also a few regular bows

And instead of just standard healing with the heart, there is variants (i personally used the no instant heal but has passive regen)

Overall incredible game and dlcs, well worth a playthrough or 50

[fallow vessel]

I need to "sell" it to coop buddy...

which makes this all harder

harder in sense difficult, not the other one

[mild spruce]

Just buy it for them smh

[fallow vessel]

they're less broke than I am atm

problem is winning their time

[mild spruce]

Hmm, that makes it difficult indeed

[desert jasper]

A friend was under the impression that I had played the 2nd one
and kept asking me where to find stuff for something

[mild spruce]

Maybe just spam them with some gameplay vids of it and say "this could be us smh"

[fallow vessel]

problem is that we tried the first one and were left with VERY bitter impression

so it's hard to proselytize that second one is much smoother

[mild spruce]

Send them this:
I've beaten both and can confidently say that the 2nd one is at LEAST 100x more fun

It's peak

[fallow vessel]

thanks for your time, just did

[desert jasper]

Alright, beat the campaign of Space marine 2
It was shorter than I expected tbh
Good game

[junior oyster]

This makes me want to see the new MM game even more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHQL5wRpdhQ

[desert jasper]

Shame that the previous voice of megaman isn't coming back
because he got told he can't be in union for it

[warped wren]

Yeah the campaign is kinda short but very high quality

I highly recommend running the operations at least once, just with bots if you're not interested in multi-player

Their plots intersect with the main campaign

[desert jasper]

Oh yea, we are going to play them with 2 friends
Played the campaign with them too

[jovial bane]

took me forever, but I'm happy with the result 😄

[sand wigeon]

those look awesome

[junior oyster]

Please EHG remove the glow from the eyes

[placid yarrow]

The drip is starting to become immaculate 🔥

[desert jasper]

which game is that?

[placid yarrow]

Kingdom come deliverance 2

[desert jasper]

Ah, I thought so but wasn't sure
Yeah that looks good

[placid yarrow]

I got it during the spring sale a few days ago, it's been super good

[desert jasper]

Mm fair
I didn't actually buy anything from the sale so far
But I got gifted dying light
I don't think I actually care for the game but I can try it out with friends

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I had been waiting for it to go on sale

[candid sage]

i know its a skill issue...but i tried KCD1 like 3 times and i could never get out of the starting town

[placid yarrow]

Nah honestly the combat in the first game is kinda messed up lmao

[jovial bane]

I love the armor in this game

And honestly I think there is nothing wrong with skipping KCD1 and going straight for KCD2 despite being a sequel

It's much more approachable than the first game

[placid yarrow]

yea same the second one obviously references the events in the first one but they recap them decently usually

[jovial bane]

yup

[placid yarrow]

so you can get the gist of what happened

[jovial bane]

and combat is much easier to get into, all thanks to 4 directions for blocking instead of 5 (and that 5th one was getting in the way quite often) and I think they toned down the combat skill effect

[placid yarrow]

Yeah but I don't think the combat got any less fun because of it tbh

I prefer it in kcd2

[jovial bane]

basically the bigger the difference in numerical skill in KCD, the easier or harder it is to attack or block, because the animations are faster or slower respectively

yup, in KCD1 you are pretty much expected to grind out the initial combat skill in the training arena

[placid yarrow]

Lol trying to sneak kill high level enemies with ass sneak level and having the perfect block timer be like 0.05 seconds was brutal

[jovial bane]

yup

[placid yarrow]

I legit stopped looking for the shield and looked at the characters instead because as soon as their hand touches yours it appears

Naked henry was running around killing fully kitted out knights with an old dagger

[jovial bane]

xD

But yeah, KCD 1 because of its mechanics was definitely not for everyone.
I like how they've managed to make KCD2 much more approachable while still having that feeling of difficulty like in KCD1

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I mean if you're not careful the enemy can still master strike you for like half your hp in this one too lul

can't just be swinging

We need mutt armour

[jovial bane]

and some enemies will mess you up, thankfully it's quite easy to tell how difficult the enemy is

more armor = pretty likely more difficult

[placid yarrow]

Damn I didn't know it was possible but I just found a bed worse than sleeping on a pile of straw

like surely just sleeping on grass is about the same thing

[jovial bane]

huh

I didn't know it was possible either

[placid yarrow]

I mean looking at it, it makes sense lol

Backbreaker

[desert jasper]

I'd sleep on that, once
just to feel it

[placid yarrow]

Like get some leaves or grass or something to put on it smh

They just have a shitty leaf pillow from the looks of it

[desert jasper]

No leaves or grass allowed

Got to have the full experience

[jovial bane]

I've slept on the floor with thin bedroll underneath couple of times

I wonder whether it would feel worse

[silent steeple]

Wrong channel, mb!

[placid yarrow]

I'm not even a hoarder man just my equipment I have on is over 100 😭

Okay I just realized I'm carrying an entire library, might be contributing lmao

[neon sigil]

Ahhh the catalyst for tgm in the elder scrolls

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I basically weigh at least this much just from my equipment lul

[twilit mountain]

Owner of TFT finally got banned all these years later and is having the crash out to end all crash outs and I am dying

[desert jasper]

Oh, why did he get banned?

[twilit mountain]

He's a known RMTer. Has been for years.

[desert jasper]

Yeah
Honestly I'm just surprised it took this long for the ban to happen

[twilit mountain]

Same

Homie dropped four multi-paragraph @everyone pings over it and is trying to paint this as like "life ending" lmao

[desert jasper]

Hmm... I'd comment something on that but I don't think the server here would like it

[twilit mountain]

Deadass says "I gave my LIFE to this game", my man you have a wife and two children, grow up. Give your life to them.

[desert jasper]

But don't you see, nwo he might need to find an actual job

Honestly, not sure what he was thinking
that he just was immune to ban? (honestly, probably did because it took so long to get the ban)

[junior oyster]

Damn poor dude

He needs to touch grass

Or maybe just play some sts2 🤣

[solemn harness]

I can't think of a more deserving person to get banned from PoE tbh

[junior oyster]

I dared not saying anything in the tft but I alway found it weird how rich the guy was

I hope his mates that were in on it get banned too lolol

[twilit mountain]

Like two leagues ago he had 5 challenges done while wearing about 20+ mirrors of gear

[junior oyster]

Yea

[solemn harness]

I wonder how GGG finally managed to catch them, I know rumors have been circulating for years but the accusations never seemed to stick well enough

[junior oyster]

There was also a dude on YouTube who would always accuse him of cheating but he would get laughed at

Also I can't seem to access the off topic channel on tft but that might be my phone issue

Holy moly I can't chat xd

They gotta protecc the poop owner xd

I'm gonna get banned from tft surely

[solemn harness]

badge of honor as far as I'm concerned

[junior oyster]

It's too bad I liked some of the people there

Heck one of the mods even helped me with a build last poe league

He's on this server too

[solemn harness]

true, there's a lot of good folks on the server

[desert jasper]

Honestly, good riddance for tft

[solemn harness]

just a small handful of admins at the top that are a bit egomaniacal

[junior oyster]

Arkillion

He helped me with a nice build

[junior oyster]

I won't be surprised if tft dies now

[desert jasper]

Honestly I hated that it was the "go to" thing for services and if you got banned from there it could make your trading a lot harder

[junior oyster]

Tbf aside from mirror services we shouldn't even need tft

Or bulk buying I guess

[twilit mountain]

I have used TFT exactly one time because I needed a bench craft on like, hour 7 of the league

[junior oyster]

Can't lie I used tft a lot to kill bosses and stuff

[desert jasper]

Got these from 4 maps

Got 1 nurse
still 40 left

and 1 patient

[twilit mountain]

I stopped opening cards this league after farming about 2500 of them and the best pull being worth like 80c

[desert jasper]

Tbh I should've probably sold them
But alas
I opened them already

[junior oyster]

Last league I pulled a mirror shard card out of 2k cards

Then checked the price and found it was only worth like 5d or something

Decided to dupe it and it poofed

[twilit mountain]

Yeah the single mirror shard card isn't worth a ton because it's a high amount of cards to get 1/20 of a mirror

Same reason Patient is worth so little. It's like, 1/512 of a HH or smth

[junior oyster]

Awww mods went and deleted all the comments

[desert jasper]

on the tft server?

[junior oyster]

Yea I mean the ones criticising jenebu

[desert jasper]

No criticism allowed

[junior oyster]

I didn't even know jenebu had pinged everyone because I muted the server lol

Thanks Deias for the heads up lol

[desert jasper]

Should've just done reactions with clown emojis
and get banned for that

[junior oyster]

Can still do that lol

Oh wait no

Can't do it

Lol can't do it on the poe1 chat but can on the poe2 chat xd

[twilit mountain]

Yeah no prob

[desert jasper]

Tbh I've never used tft
and not on the server

[junior oyster]

Probably for the best

[fallow vessel]

I thought I clicked a wrong server for a moment

[fallow vessel]

YOU SUMMONED THIS!!!

[desert jasper]

Ah yea, steam sales still going on

[mild spruce]

Just another reason to get it

Cheap and peak

What more could anyone ask for

[mental talon]

Have a fun LEague start today friends, I hope the servers aren't cooked for you guys have fun homies.

[desert jasper]

Cheers alwheezy

[jovial bane]

it's today ?

OH DAMN

I thought it was in 2 days

[desert jasper]

Ofc they wouldn't release on saturday

[sand wigeon]

i think you mean #deadlock patch

thank you #yoshi #icefrog

[stone anvil]

yoshi yoshi

[mental talon]

🫡

[desert jasper]

Someone on poe forums saying that it's a bad idea to ban the tft guy because "it's organic movement around the game and essentially part of the game"

[placid yarrow]

Control Kayle > aggro Kayle ez

[desert jasper]

@twilit mountain Did you see the leaked tft mod chat message..?
Or supposedly leaked from there

[twilit mountain]

No, hit me with it, I love this drama

[desert jasper]

I'll send it to you in dm, if that's alright?

[placid yarrow]

Lol the owner spam pinging in the news channel was something

[desert jasper]

Yeah... now he's threatening to do... things at exilecon

[twilit mountain]

Yeah go ahead

[junior oyster]

If you don't mind can you send me it too?