💬┃general

[willow sentinel]

They or it will come with the Xpac

[weak ravine]

Will there be an expansion?

[vocal sonnet]

a paid one yes

[weak ravine]

Of course!

[vocal sonnet]

or is it the classes

[weak ravine]

But...

when?

[vocal sonnet]

next year or something

[weak ravine]

Oh.

[willow sentinel]

Xpac is free if you own the game

Class(es) will have to be paid

[vocal sonnet]

but the class will be paid

oof

[weak ravine]

Oh, nice.

So its next year.

[willow sentinel]

They will launch with the ps5 release

[vocal sonnet]

i'll see how much they are first they better not do a diablo and charge $40

[weak ravine]

Thought we get it next week?

This week, sorry.

[willow sentinel]

Somewhere next year

[vocal sonnet]

theres a new patch this weekj

[weak ravine]

I know.

But it's free, aside from cosmetics.

[willow sentinel]

Yup

Just a classic season

With a bunch of paid mtx

[weak ravine]

JuSt a ClAsSiC SeAsOn?!?!?!

[weak ravine]

Shattered Omens, baby!

[vocal sonnet]

season of the idol

[stark canopy]

Not yet, it will be done probably in like a week from now :/ There's too much other stuff to update.

[ionic vale]

no probs

[ancient grove]

So season start is on thursday?

[willow sentinel]

Yup

[ancient grove]

Oke 😄 Might be that I start one week later with it but gonna be funs havent played for a year or so

[fair wing]

morning, leveling practice time. 😄

[shrewd moon]

Hey guys whats looking like the winners of this patch? I couldnt see many massive nerfs

[woven lintel]

Sorta the same stuff that was already meta ngl

[outer tundra]

Mage

[shrewd moon]

3rd season of judgement paladin start despairge

[woven lintel]

Tbf I think that one flask meta build got gutted

That was first Uber kill

I could be wrong

[outer tundra]

One flask?

[woven lintel]

I just mean that one build

[tidal laurel]

Oh boy.

Between Crimson Desert, Diablo 4 season, Warframe update and new Last Epoch season, I’m gonna be swamped between now and July it seems

[willow sentinel]

Start bleed hammer

[night marten]

or...literally anything else. no one is forcing you to play the same starter

[inner finch]

Honey, its time for your judgement hammer flattening

Come join the b-hole boys

[night marten]

i will not be joining you in your bhole enjoyment

[inner finch]

Shame...

[night marten]

im gonna be starting with detonate ground forge strike cuz brutality

[willow sentinel]

Oo

[tidal laurel]

I’m gonna be playing with the rogue changes

Because this game actually encourages experimentation.

[willow sentinel]

I was really excited to start fire aura

[night marten]

it does! rogue looks awfully spicy this season

[willow sentinel]

But the more I cook my Werebear

The more delicious it smells

[night marten]

xylem?

[tidal laurel]

Particularly bladedancer

[night marten]

yeah it has so many options with bladestorm and shadow rend

[willow sentinel]

😏😏Nope

[night marten]

spiiiicy

[dreamy sentinel]

Hi guys! 1 quick question, its a bit hard to asnwer

What do you think about Rogue shadow build, I want to make one by using only 1-2button max for map clearing and bossing.

Based on new realised info its possible to make build I want? or it will consume a lot of mana and will need to spam at least 3 buttons?

thanks for your time! ❤️

[tidal laurel]

Spell blade mage also looking pretty appetizing too 👀

[night marten]

rogue isnt known for having 1-2 button builds really. they utilize all their skills pretty frequently

cuz you need skills to move, to make shadows, and then skills that shadows use

[woven lintel]

Is the gameplay loop not quite tedious ? Seems like 4 button combo that has downtime based on veil cool down ? Albeit I guess sorta just have to deal with it if want big boom

[tidal laurel]

I don’t know if any of the classes have builds like that

[karmic prairie]

its ok

just a combo every 3-4 sec

[night marten]

thorns is 0 buttons...warpath is one button, a lot of sentinel builds are just generate and spend

esp when healing hands and sigils are pretty much auto anyways

[willow sentinel]

🧨

[night marten]

and rogue really likes flow, so you wanna be using all the buttons

[night marten]

ah. le boom

[willow sentinel]

Took me so long to find a freaking dynamite emoji

[night marten]

XD

[willow sentinel]

There is none on discord

Had to use my phone keyboard emojis

Werebear Shatter Totem

[primal abyss]

Good day, everyone 🙂

[willow sentinel]

Looks juicy as heck

[primal abyss]

[vocal sonnet]

gib spoiler

[shrewd moon]

If something is better than others its difficult to ignore

[vocal sonnet]

I know the thorns got nerfed hard but it seems like it'll still work with the thorns corruptions now

[shrewd moon]

Warframe about to have the most toxic meta ever and its gonna be great

[night marten]

sure, but there are plenty of builds in that same tier of judgement

its not like its the only thing that can do what it does

[tidal laurel]

what makes you say that?

[shrewd moon]

Its so face tank and easy prog... might be even better now early game is faster

[shrewd moon]

Cyte sobek getting fixed, infinite punch through and about 30metre aoe lol

[severe socket]

Hey Van. How's your day so far?

[tidal laurel]

ok

I'll stick with Rhino + Strun Wraith Incarnon

Strun Wraith is very, VERY good both in and out of incarnon

[primal abyss]

So far not so bad. It's monday of patch week soooo

[severe socket]

Wonder what the CCU count is gonna be on release day.

[night marten]

a mere 3 days

what was s3? like 70k?

80k

if they break 100 i think it'd be 'successful'

[obtuse bay]

3 days left

[severe socket]

I'm still mad at the fact that MM never got any attention, but it is what it is.

[simple bison]

The day will come friend

[south moat]

At least there's a new skill that you can use with bows for now

[severe socket]

In another 8+ months, I reckon, if ever. 😏

[simple bison]

I waited quite some time for spellblade changes and tbf fire aura is still there lul

But maybe spellblade will actually be the best mastery for it now at least (tbh it's still close lul)

[pearl sandal]

is it close? there really arent many ways to scale it and all the ways we do have are best in spellblade, so unless another of the masteries completely outpaces in total stacks kept up I don't see how its close

[simple bison]

The nodes to scale it like the resistance one are still on the left side of the tree

You don't need to be a spellblade for them

[pearl sandal]

sure but spellblade has firebrand for 360% fire res

and a 54% more multiplier vs spreading flames enemies that actually works for FA unlike most mores

(not to mention the new spellblade mastery bonus of 40% conversion of melee flat into spell flat)

[carmine cargo]

Did erasing strike get buffed some time again or is it still S tier since season 2?

[broken trench]

still good

[tidal laurel]

MM?

[severe socket]

Marksman.

[tidal laurel]

Ah

[mental cedar]

why am i not getting vids in youtube about new sesaon and meta and all that stuff?
ppl not gonna play next season? is it dying?

[pine herald]

I just saw someone mad at marksman been ignored on reddit too lol

[south moat]

Content creators don't have access to the testing realm so they can't really do proper guides
mostly just about what's been in the patch notes and theorycrafting

[mental cedar]

ohhh maybe that's why
i hope it's not dying tbh, i enjoyed the previous two seasons(didn't like the dinasours much tho)

[primal abyss]

I know content creators are making coverage videos regarding news and such. Also, make sure you check out the official Last Epoch Youtube channel for Seasonal news.

Youtube Algorithm too haha

[mental cedar]

which? i think my algorithm is focused on diablo 4 and poe1 now

[south moat]

But yeah they've made a bunch of covers about the seasonal news

[wheat tiger]

Dr3adful made quite a few videos in the leadup here, I was actually surprised to see him back lol. Lizard irl and frozen sentinel (who ironically is a mage main) also been posting a bit

[ancient surge]

I would not rely on algorithms for my news, even if it comes to games I may still be interested in that don't stay active on the radar for too long.

[wheat tiger]

Actionrpg also had a couple videos on the new season, it's his video that made me tempted to start forged weapons forgeguard

[vocal sonnet]

dreadful is a good cc

frozen is THE mage guy pretty much

[night marten]

you can look at #🎥┃video-shoutout if you want videos

[wheat tiger]

I do have to say, I feel like people are underplaying the spell blade changes. I feel like it's gonna have a lot of really fun and unique viable builds. If I wasn't deadset on forgeguard it would be my pick for sure

[mental cedar]

will do,
any vids recommended about how skipping the campaign and stuff? i need to refresh my memory😂

[wheat tiger]

Lowkey I think it's gona feel more different than rogue, even though rogue got two new skills

[vocal sonnet]

funny enough dreadful just brought out a vid

[loud zealot]

Anyone starting as warpath void knight? Im wondering how the changes will impact the build

[night marten]

no. 1 i dont skip the campaign. 2 the way you unlock things in the monolith has changed this season with the 'knowledge of orobyss' so it could be faster to not skip the campaign now

[night marten]

almost no changes negatively tbh. its still gonna be really good

[wheat tiger]

The big change pretty much only affects the endgame of the build kinda, it should feel pretty comfy up to there

It was a really really good balance what they did to it, nerfed the ceiling pretty much without changing the floor

[ancient surge]

Still uncertain about that. You need 5 knowledge and it's 1 per chapter 9, 10 and 1 per monolith that is in the lower half, with 2 for the upper difficulty ones + 1 of the level 90 ones to get to empowered.

[night marten]

also the changes to idols and altars will likely make up for w.e it might have been missing

[ancient surge]

Technically speaking nothing really changed, if you can go into monos early, you do an extra timeline or two and you're golden.

[mental cedar]

ohh that's new, i remember just skipping after a certain part, going to monolith and get a key, kill the boss
my memory is disgustengly bad but yea thanks i'll check the changes this season

[night marten]

you do ch 9 and 10 to get your atts anyways and faction...and then get xp blessing from fall of the outcasts, and then the last 2 points from reign of dragons for hit res or crit avoid and already in lvl 90s

im not saying it will be faster. im just saying it could be with the changes

and you dont have to rng your way into a temp sanc key

[ancient surge]

Different build do different things, so yeah... maybe some can just skip the 2 attributes and blast through later?

[night marten]

that was the strat this season...but it was changed this...so it may or may not be better still.

no one has ran it obv

cuz no one has played on it

[ancient surge]

I personally never skipped, I delibaretly took a more chill approach to leveling, get to drink in the details, not hoof it to endgame.

[mental cedar]

fair point

[vocal sonnet]

Usually you kill the tree, go do normal mono's, do a temporal to unlock factions

[mental cedar]

i'm an endgame game enjoyer😂 😂 i hate campaigns in genreal

[ancient surge]

Was it not the common skip to get idol slots going then mono a bit and then finish off campaign at your leisure anyway?

[night marten]

usually yes...but now with a different unlock path in monoliths and ch9/10 giving credit to unlock the lvl 90s...and not having to do all the monoliths in order, this could change

[ancient surge]

I am strictly an uber hunter, but that doesn't mean I don't pace myself ever so slightly, take things in their stride, enjoy the ride as it were.

[vocal sonnet]

ill prob go mono's anyway so I can focus on getting whatever unique the build I use needs

[ancient surge]

Eh, I normally would get to monos on the 2nd full day of the season, not long after, maybe 3rd day morning empowered. An extra day or two doesn't hurt none when the end game is rather, uh.... repetitive :p

[lucid herald]

i still think lagon skipping will be meta

chapter 8 is short but its also boring and probably will remain better to farm one temporal key in monos then do 9 and 10

instead of unlocking factions then running back to monos youll probably actually finish the campaign

[night marten]

im sure pretty much everyone is going to start like that cuz its the 'normal'

but alternate routes are sure to at least be tested

[inner finch]

If one thing is certain in life, besides death, is that we are going to have plenty of time with this season to do everything we want out of it

spring has just began and brother, we have all summer

[calm jay]

Mmmm... big season

[south moat]

Death and taxes

[calm jay]

And LE!

[inner finch]

LE is in the bucket of things that are definitely not certain anymore, friend

cherish these times we're experiencing right now

[calm jay]

Yeah, sad true fact

[red fox]

[zenith pewter]

it's 26th yet?

[primal abyss]

It is not but sooon..

[zenith pewter]

soon is not soon enough 🥲

[south moat]

It'll be here before you realize it

[south marsh]

I've had so much work today it went without me noticing

Now I can barely think tho

[wide scroll]

Will there be drops on Twitch?

for the next season

[south moat]

Yes

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/omen-windows-coming-to-last-epoch-march-26/80541

They're in that post

[wide scroll]

ty so much

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/iJu7BbgD50L.gif

+1 😛

Good morning Travelers!

[south moat]

Good morning Muffin

[primal abyss]

Good Day Muffin

[pulsar geyser]

thursday cant come soon enough lol

[digital oriole]

For every major release i find judd amaze me, each time his face. Man himself annauncing update, a CEO. You never see that in any gaming scene.

[digital bridge]

Good morning guys!!!

What are yall leaguestarting?

[digital oriole]

Me not doing season, waitng to go to core

[frosty ridge]

Hopefully servers not down Thursday

[digital bridge]

Im thinking im going to go falconer for leveling then go bladestorm/shadow rend

[primal abyss]

Good morning Fando!

I think...I'm starting with Mage.

Bladestorm and Shadow Rend ❤️

[vocal sonnet]

your class doesnt match what you've just said xD

[primal abyss]

I knooooooow, it's because Fando mentioned it.

[night marten]

detonating ground forge strike

[primal abyss]

LOOK. I'm already torn okay.

😆

[opal sable]

Any chance we get chrono trigger inspired mtx in the future?

[willow sentinel]

Werebear

[tidal pagoda]

If Im looking for a melee build based around insane attack speed, where should I start?

[primal abyss]

What class?

[willow sentinel]

Rive

[tidal pagoda]

Doesnt matter

[primal abyss]

Aah

Vlad with the Rive lol

[tidal pagoda]

Flay lich looked kinda cool. I just love fast attacking melee builds that arent squishy lol

[night marten]

rive is good. spellblade with shatter strike or flame reave esp with patch

[strange umbra]

Skelly Mage Death Blossom build - lets goooooooooooo

MINIONS AND MG FOR LIFE

[south moat]

Bees it is
The sweet honey, it calls to me

[strange umbra]

lol

[primal abyss]

Imma Bee a Mage Magebee. Beeage ? Bumble Mage?

[glass pendant]

Bee patient guys, it's around the corner

[inner finch]

if EHG ever does press kits - just put some honey in it

[vocal sonnet]

Im gonna go LB first, ive not made one, then if some sort of cool meteor build comes out i'll switch too that.

Then maybe the bee explode build

[primal abyss]

[sharp whale]

Can someone please confirm if the frostbite/frozen nodes on shatter strike tree changes once you convert it to lightning?

[pearl sandal]

They do, anything relying on an enemy being frozen is changed to an enemy having 10 stacks of shock I believe

[night marten]

it specifically says frostbite is changed

[frosty ridge]

Shatterstrike didn’t get changed that much tho

[vocal sonnet]

MG or Cof

decisions, decisions

I may just go MG

[night marten]

its still a high attack speed skill, esp with recasts, which is what they asked about

[pearl sandal]

I always play CoF because buying gear is just cringe to me

[sharp whale]

But would the tooltip for razor ice change to lightning

[pearl sandal]

Tooltips in the tree don’t change, but the effects do

[night marten]

well since frostbite is changed to shock...and shock does no dmg...it doesnt need pen

[tidal pagoda]

I mean, not really? It "attacks" quickly in the sense that its a lot of attacks at once, but you only click once and it does all the repeats/attacks afterwards. Vs say, having 14 aps on Swipe. Its a different feeling entirely

[sharp whale]

But wouldn’t pen be good for shatter that it would now have the lightning tag and any LB procs?

Or is it only pen for shock

[night marten]

razors edge only gives pen for frostbite...like it says

shock doesnt do dmg...so it needs 0 pen.

[frosty ridge]

If you’re looking for a melee build erasing strike is king by far. So fun

[night marten]

are you trying to say that shatter strike doesnt do insanely better dmg with attack speed?

because...it does insanely better with attack speed

[sharp whale]

I understand kinda useless then for lightning

[night marten]

and since the person asked for high attack speed skills/builds

[tidal pagoda]

No. I’m saying it’s a different feeling of pressing your skill once and it attacking 40 times vs having 40 attacks per second attack speed.

[night marten]

but you still have 40 attacks per second

you just also get recasts

[tidal pagoda]

Yes. I know. I said it’s a different feeling. lol

[night marten]

right

[tidal pagoda]

Like pressing unleash in PoE vs having that fast of cast speed.

Same result, different feeling

[night marten]

sure

[calm jay]

IIRC most cases of elemental changes like this do so, right? I want to say there's like one or two cases where this isn't true and they make sure to mention it

[night marten]

yea its normally listed

[sharp whale]

Is it possible to change the element type on LP affixes?

[short sphinx]

did they change anything about dungeon bosses btw? Julra is beyond frustrating in the higher tiers and her attack visually aren't very well done imo

[broken trench]

more damage

[pearl sandal]

No

[sharp whale]

So the +levels to shatter strike mod will always roll with cold damage?

[pearl sandal]

Yes

[sharp whale]

Good to know, thanks

[night marten]

nothing was in the patch notes

[sage niche]

Hi everyone, does anyone know if the price of Last Epoch will drop further when the new season is released? Or is the current 20% discount the lowest it will get? I just want to buy the game at the lowest possible price.

[night marten]

no one knows anything about sales. they just happen. i doubt it'd get any lower as more content gets added tho

[meager gazelle]

Hi all, I have a question for the die hard fans of ARPGs. I played Poe2, D3 and D4 following guides during season resets and really enjoyed the games. But I started playing LE and loved the crafting system, I always wanted to find out is playing the game yourself, using items you discover as you play and making your own builds more fun or am I bound to end up completely confused or with a bricked build that’ll end up searching a guide for a new character? Just wanted to hear some thoughts on this as set items weren’t really used s2 of LE always thought it was weird.

[frosty ridge]

tbh even if the game goes on sale its usually $30 from 35. its worth the $35 tbh

[lost elk]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[meager gazelle]

Nah i already own the game. I just wanted some opinions on following a online guide or playing yourself and building yourself

[pearl sandal]

This game is the absolute best for playing on your own and not following a guide, it’s really easy to make a build that works well enough to get to empowered monos

[frosty ridge]

i was replying to the other guy asking if the game is going on sale

[meager gazelle]

Whoops

lol

[frosty ridge]

you can't brick a build. respecing is pretty much free

[pearl sandal]

If you understand the basics of flat/increased/more damage that’s enough to get a good grasp of skill building

[wet loom]

It's pretty hard to brick a build. Though, the corrupted item stuff will make it easier to do. But it'd only be that item.

Even a c-tier build can do most content. Once you get used to "more" vs "increased" it's all a bit easier.

[meager gazelle]

I’ll give it a shot with mage in s4

[wispy notch]

I'd say that the burden of knowledge in Last Epoch is lower than that of other aRPGs, especially since respeccing is far cheaper (You can change your mastery choice too). How easy you find it depends on your general game knowledge and "feel" for game mechanics, but as long as you understand the basics you should be able to reach end game and do most of the content.

[meager gazelle]

Thanks all!!

[pearl sandal]

An easy mistake people make is not getting enough flat dmg sources. You can have all the mores in the world (and yes they are very important) but small number X more is still small number haha

[pine herald]

Do most contents include...What the name of that new boss from omen echo is...

That boss require 400c to challenge

[frosty ridge]

the campaign is a place to try different skills and see what you like. and then empowered monos is when you have the concepts of a build in place

[wispy notch]

That'd be too early to tell imho. It's supposed to be easier than uber abberoth, but that can still be enough to stop a lot of builds.

[pearl sandal]

It’s supposed to be between abberoth (est. 300 corr) and uber (est 1k corr)

[frosty ridge]

uber isn't 1k corr

[wispy notch]

Then again, depending on your build uber abberoth is anything from "being able to almost ignore all game mechanics in uber abberoth" to "15 minute showcase of pure player skill".

[pine herald]

What the name of boss in fractured prison is

[pearl sandal]

Observer I think?

[pine herald]

Thx

[strange umbra]

Vision of the Observer

[pine herald]

Will C-tier can do observer too?

DPS determine the max damage for sure

[idle fossil]

When is new season?

[vocal sonnet]

26th

[static junco]

do we know what class is getting focused in season 5?

wondering if i should play primalist/druid or wait another season

[broken siren]

bladedancer is getting updates 🙂

[night marten]

all we know is paladin is gettings its 5th skill

[wet loom]

I hope it's a cool lightning thing

The bonkier the better

[static junco]

didnt paladin did a rework in s2...?

[barren mural]

good luck everybody on season

[broken siren]

thanks Kartal 🙂

[barren mural]

mike are u here?:)

[broken siren]

yes 😄

[barren mural]

hw re u mate

[broken siren]

Kartal getting 100k corruption

I'm good 🙂

[barren mural]

nononono:)

no more push:)

i have jobs

[broken siren]

nonononon

[barren mural]

i ll help for my friends

[broken siren]

your job is Last Epoch

🙂

[barren mural]

nonono

i played poe-torchlight and others in every season already:)

but i have jobs just i ll play for my irl friends

[broken siren]

Kartal I'm making a bladedancer again!

They buffed up my build!!

[barren mural]

again?):

[broken siren]

yes 😄

[barren mural]

haaha

maybe u can do more corrp in this seaso

what was?6k?

[broken siren]

i did 6k corruption yes

[barren mural]

nice

[broken siren]

im going to brick so many corrupted items

can't wait

[barren mural]

My fun is in high corruption. I can’t play 1–2k corruption 🙂 I’d rather die 50 times in the same map than play that low :

i hope u are enjoy in new season

[broken siren]

what about 1000000000 corruption

how long will that take

[barren mural]

i can give a trick:)

just play ballista and bring ur a friend with bear build. so duo gameplay

u can go high corrp. what u want

best duo in this game

i ll play explosive ballista alredy

[night marten]

kinda with all of sentinel (more vk tbh) but...its still missing a skill. getting a skill does not equal a rework

[red valley]

what is the absolute fastest movement speed tech, completely ignoring damage/defenses?

I want to create screenshots of full zone maps (do these exist somewhere?) and just want to zip through areas extremely quickly on some random level 90 character

[cobalt fable]

lets go @night marten

[night marten]

why

[simple bison]

Sports team reference I assume

[night marten]

but.....nothing happened?

[simple bison]

Go eagles!

[night marten]

XD

[strange umbra]

rofl

[broken siren]

I think Muffin should be a pinnacle boss 🙂

[strange umbra]

so fun fact - I am a huge fan of the Venture Maidens D&D podcast - and years ago they did a 1-shot for me for my birthday

and the "boss" we fought was a Muffin golem and fire spells made it stronger (hardened) lol

[broken siren]

yay! 😄

[earnest oasis]

ghostflame

[bronze slate]

that monolith change means that it is possible to start from the scratch doing monoliths with a starter?

[molten fulcrum]

What is the meta minion build for uber abberroth rush?

[red valley]

no, you still need to get to End of Time

Dreadful made a video about progression

[vocal sonnet]

you still have to do story

[molten fulcrum]

Just ask someone on chat free tp

But u have to get idol slots and passive points from campaign, it takes almost full story before that crab boss, then ur maxed out

[austere totem]

is it 26th yet

new season comes out in the 26th right?

[mellow owl]

Yes

[austere totem]

yet

yes

[left flint]

anyone know why im locked to 60fps? vsync is off . so stange i had this issue before but totally foget how to fix it , thanks

[quick patio]

still have no idea what build to play, any suggestion?

[ancient surge]

The only correct answer is bees. We all know it.

[willow sentinel]

Steamer mode?

[grand rover]

i think i remember having to hard lock fps to the actual game itself in my nvida's control panel. So it might be your actual graphics cards setting specific to the game if you have ever changed it before or maybe use some sort of game profile.

[loud zealot]

Guys, I never played LE very seriously, but always end up playing a bit most of the season starts, always using Maxroll as a baseline to choose decent builds.

My question is: For those who see that and also from other sources, how accurate are those builds tier lists?

Also would like any suggestion for builds that are not minions, has good clear speed, good single target damage (aiming to kill uber bosses), somewhat tanky enough to be forgiving if you mistep here or there.

The last 2 times I played it, I chose Erasing Strike Void Knight, because it seemed like a good choice for those, but also didn't search too much

[night marten]

Maxroll tier lists are ok if you understand they are only basing it off their opinion, limited build selection, and knowing that their tier lists are (currently) based off last seasons power and theorycrafting without any gameplay. It is not all encompasing or perfect.

[short onyx]

their leveling guides are decent at least the ones with full videos

[vocal sonnet]

maxroll is 50/50

[night marten]

Tho based off the patch notes...most everything that was good last season, is also good this season.

[vocal sonnet]

sometimes theres a person has mega knowledge of a build and its a gg guide, sometimes its a bit copy and paste

[night marten]

Any nerfs are going to be offset by corruption and altars

You can also use lastepochtools or #🎥┃video-shoutout

For other build ideas and guides

[onyx swan]

Yo, are these patch notes from 20th the latest and final

[visual frigate]

last epoch tools is so cool

wish there was a site like this for other games i play

[night marten]

They should have some updates at the bottom, but yes

[visual frigate]

pulsar black hole bosser looking juicy

[wild badge]

is there any build that goes deep into movespeed and utilises Vaion's Chariot?

[willow sentinel]

I haven't seen any

The 3 sec cd on Vaion is a buzzkill

[wild badge]

i was more looking at the 1% increased dmg per 1% increased movespeed

[willow sentinel]

Ah

[short vessel]

Scaling increased is easy, scaling movespeed is hard

[willow sentinel]

I think there is the same thing on Wrongwarp too

[wet loom]

I love the concept behind the Chariot boots, but they don't really offer that much

[wild badge]

sadge

[chilly ember]

profane veil makes pretty good use of them

[short vessel]

Should be like 2% increased damage per 1% ms

[chilly ember]

honestly just lower the lpl a little and it should be fine

it has nice stats, 100ms is giga easy to get and 100% inc is pretty nice, they have allres and good armor too and they're pretty fast, but 90 lpl is a lil steep

[onyx swan]

Soo not seeing many nerfs to paladin? 🧐

[wild badge]

do you even need nerfs in a game like this?

it's not pvp or something

[onyx swan]

You do yeah... and you need a meta change on a new season as well

[wild badge]

but why?

i just play a different build every season, idc if it's good or not

[vocal sonnet]

because it gets boring otherwise

[wild badge]

you can just play other builds yk?

[vocal sonnet]

and some builds cant be played without nerfing certain things

[onyx swan]

I do understand that train of thought, but for example if you play HC, or race leaderboards, or push for first ubers etc. It's already a done equation you know

Pally super OP last season, will be pally and rogue again 80% on HC ssf

and only rogue because of the reworks

[vocal sonnet]

pally is always gonna dominate HC because its so safe

[onyx swan]

which is why it needed a nerf

[wild badge]

well how many % of people do that tho?

[onyx swan]

I do

[wild badge]

how many % are you? xd

[vocal sonnet]

the warriors fury nerf allows other warpath varients with the new idols/ changes

[onyx swan]

idk the numbers, i'm sure there are ways to find out %, but you see how you can play casual and just play a build to vibe and that's fun for you, other people wanna play it differently you know

[wild badge]

sure thing i just thought those leaderboards are class reliant

so instead of rushing first uber kill on hc with meta build you maybe get that with a not so meta build or something

and be the frist one with that build

[onyx swan]

It's been a while since I played but IIRC the leaderboards are all global unless you're looking at arena which is class specific

so it'll be XXX on paladin first to kill new uber encounter

[wild badge]

ya i only know that leaderboard

are there even first uber kill leaderboard ingame?

ik there will be a corruption leaderboard in S4

[onyx swan]

basically just forces you to play that class without any nerfs or buffs you know if you want to place competitively

I didn't actually try it last season I just saw everybody and his dog running it because giga dps and immortal so

[wild badge]

i am a simple man, i just want to be a ninja

[onyx swan]

The new blade skill and shadows do look fun

To metacuck or not to metacuck, that is the question

My sorc got more nerfs than pally lol feelsbad

[wild badge]

imma do some cascade stuff

[idle fossil]

What time is new season live on Thursday?

[wild badge]

11:00 AM CDT!

[granite prawn]

Waht's being done about the servers?????

[night marten]

they work on the servers every patch

there were basically no major issues at all last release

[granite prawn]

no I me3an right now .... all day its been one disconnect or hung loading screen after another me and my frineds basically unable to play

[night marten]

have you sent in any reports about it?

[granite prawn]

we are east servers

[night marten]

cuz you would be the first complaints i've heard all day about them

[granite prawn]

response times are in the hundreds of milliseconds according to login screen, it usually says 15ms for me

been getting worse all day in the last hout I lost 3 echos to disconnects I just tried to port to act 10 to go to hunt merchante and disconnected on loading screen my friend in seattle on west is seeing the same things constant disconnects and hung loading screens

Iwe both use different server location both have 1GB bidirectional fiber internet so its not our connection and other games like POE and D4 today withgroup play were flawless no issues so that makes me think its LE servers

keep getting "You lost connection to the game server" also at one point today all my cosmetics were stripped off my character and my settings in game for like mini map size and opaqueness were reset it was like my settings reverted to a day ago or something ... really weird

Also of note in case devs are looking my last disconnect when I reconnected all my cosmetics were stripped again.... maybe an issue with MTX cosmetics causing disconnects or crashes.

gonna leave all my cosmetics disabled for now maybe that will stabalize gameplay.

[night marten]

nah the mtx thing is a known bug for a while...fixed in s4 but this is the workaround that was given until then https://discordapp.com/channels/368953963267096586/414295382625878037/1432741243200475148

[granite prawn]

Thanks

[pastel badger]

Is it just me or do the builds look pretty similar to the last 2 seasons?

[inner finch]

what builds?

The ones LE content creators have been churning out?

[outer canopy]

So im pretty dumb in making build so far, what build is the best in party? i play healing hands with aura to boost my friend's damage, this season what build should we match with? mage with black hole looks fun, but can i scale void damage with my auras?

[calm jay]

Most if not all the Paladin stuff is very general, pure damage boosts and stuff

[vocal sonnet]

I mean the patch isnt out so we dont know which new build is actually good, theres a few that have been theorycrafted which seem decent but they are all untested

[outer canopy]

yeah i do give fire dmg if i can and some crit too

[vocal sonnet]

The bee exploder build looks funny af

[outer canopy]

isnt patch out tho?

[calm jay]

Javelin has a deployable buff you may be interested in, although Idk what to drop for that

Smite/hh/aura/symb/jave or judg I guess

I'm just not sure Javelin does more than Judgement would

[wild badge]

only in text

not ingame

[outer canopy]

last season my friend played beast build it was fun but slow haha

[outer canopy]

ahh aight

[night marten]

i mean...yeah...most CC's are going to reuse the same builds each season...cuz its more time efficient to only update than build from scratch.

also there is only so much theory crafting you can do without actually playing the patch

[frosty ridge]

Any paladin build

[coral iris]

hey guys what is the difference betwee the eternal and the seasonal realm?

[night marten]

only the economy really. season gets reset.

all content goes to both

[grave hornet]

is it me or there is some problem with cosmetics?

[night marten]

if they are removing themselves on logging, https://discordapp.com/channels/368953963267096586/414295382625878037/1432741243200475148

[grave hornet]

:'c and this will be solved with s4 patch?

[night marten]

they have said it will be yes

[grave hornet]

thanks ❤️

[short sphinx]

whats the launch time on the patch again?

[silent pivot]

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[wild panther]

Does anyone have a formula for the cast speed calculation on Soul of the Mountain? Not sure how to deal with the multiplicative cast speed decrease and want to try to figure out optimal attunement to cast speed ratios etc for my build

[ionic vale]

looking for a league starter falc build

using one of the new abilities

[late plank]

Do people not level with hammers at all anymore?

[night marten]

hammers are a fine level for sentinel

you dont need perfect optimizatin while leveling unless you actually need those seconds back

[lost elk]

Bleed or Ignite hammers makes easy work of the first few chapters

[late plank]

Any of yall got a planner link? i cant find any

[proven gyro]

bonjour des quebecois par ici ?

[ripe holly]

How do I get one of those awesome looking purple EHG hats?

[plain osprey]

i assume if i start the game now, in 3 days ill need a new character to play the new season, right?

[night marten]

You dont. They dont have a merch store

[signal mica]

I watched a guy on YouTube do it, hammers look like fun

[night marten]

If you want the fresh economy, yes. But you can play in legacy and get all the new content

[signal mica]

Think they were bleed hammers

[plain osprey]

legacy gets season content too?

[signal mica]

Yes

[plain osprey]

i thought only season got the events and mechanics etc and legacy was just normal game

[signal mica]

Pretty awesome feature

In other games perhaps

[plain osprey]

fair enough, if theres no difference i guess i dont need to wait xD

ty

[signal mica]

I prefer starting fresh and experiencing the new stuff

[lyric edge]

you might want to wait if you want to try the new rogue skills if thats the class your picking

[plain osprey]

i just bought the game

was going to play necro of some sort

[signal mica]

Good price eh on sale

Minions?!

[plain osprey]

i saw you can get pretty big boss type summons on some builds

i want a big chunky minion boss style

[signal mica]

Abomination, golem

[plain osprey]

idk the names yet xD

[signal mica]

Enjoy!

[plain osprey]

well ima wait then, i want to be in it with everyone

[signal mica]

Game is so fun imho

[plain osprey]

ill just continue on mirage for poe till then

[signal mica]

I was paying that yesterday leveling bow build and srs

I may also level a lightning build beem while

[plain osprey]

poe and diablo finally burned out, so im heading into LE for a few months

adding it to the arpg rotation

[signal mica]

Well worth it

Lot of builds to try I've barely touched like 80% in hundreds of hours

[plain osprey]

i hope so

[signal mica]

For 30$ my goodness the stash system and loot filter alone is amazing

[plain osprey]

turrets and minions are usually my favs, when i saw the giant skeleton mage build for LE i was sold

[signal mica]

Yes

Minions are why I bought it

[plain osprey]

but im a season monkey so ill wait till the 26th

[signal mica]

Worth it

I just dont know what to start 🙂 primalist or necro for me

Storm crows to fire sounds awesome but also want to do a fire necro minion army biild

[late plank]

Welcome to LE! Im personally annoyed the poe season is so good, people are talking about skipping the season launch, which is unfortunate

[plain osprey]

it is quite good

and ty

sleepy time for me, hope to see ya all again, ty for the warm welcome, arpg community is always nie

[late plank]

i honestly i dont know a game that has a clear upgrade path/plannable league starts as LE, its very good

Later!

[strange umbra]

Minions for life!

[late plank]

Aaron's necro bee queen looks neat

[short vessel]

Do note that LE does expect you to be actively pumping your minions

[inner finch]

uhhh...

[night marten]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-marvel-avengers-gif-14328153

[signal mica]

Did he end up putting attunement on gear?

[late plank]

Id have to recheck, remember hearing int stacking

[muted cape]

This is the way.

[strange umbra]

O.o

[frosty ridge]

What’s the best build for uber? Abomination?

[earnest oasis]

ghostflame

[signal mica]

He did have over 120 attunement

[rocky niche]

Will there be Twitch drops?

Where are them if so?

[remote halo]

How well does last epoch tools work on phone? Its blocked on my work pc and id like to look into it

[muted cape]

doable if you turn your phone sideways and navigate the tools in that mode.

it takes a little bit of patience but then it's easy to view.

[remote halo]

Hmmm okay

Ty

[muted cape]

yeah np just play with it

[stark canopy]

Using build planner on mobile is not recommended :D
In read-only mode (default on mobiles) it's perfectly fine, but switching to full mode and editing in there could be troublesome.

[muted cape]

ive mastered it.horizonal while viewing, and verticle while text editing and viewing text 😛

Auto-rotate.

is key. while on a phone.

[remote halo]

Ah bummer 🙁 ill just ask you to help me make something? ❤️

[south moat]

There are twitch drops, yes
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/season-4-shattered-omens-twitch-drops/80554

[ancient surge]

Enlighten this ignorant one, why is the end date the 30th at 00:01 UTC, but the campaign is stated to run until the 29th 00:01 UTC?

[south moat]

how would I know their logic

[ancient surge]

Well, not you specifically, but I may have mistakenly used the reply to link to what triggered my response.

[south moat]

[ancient surge]

At any rate, wrote it up in #feedback and hopefully I didn't misuse anything here.

[south moat]

Could also asi Van when he comes online in like 5hours

ask*

[muted cape]

pure queen bee though that build you posted also looks very interesting looks like you did max cdr for its attacks

[south marsh]

I'm pretty much set on my starter build

I tested it a little on a character just to see how it behaves

I'm satisfied

[obtuse bay]

now try it on next season, only 2 days left

[south marsh]

Yeah I gotta play with the skill points and passive points a bit

But the core is "touched by Nurgle"

Aura of decay and curses for days

It starts pretty slow but once it gets going it's quite similar to a poe build

[obtuse bay]

when you level up and obtain the gears, nurgle will be satisfied hehe 😈

[south marsh]

My concept began from the description of the Nurgle faction - heavy/tanky and wherever they walk by there is rot/poison and decay and disease

It's actually quite funny

[round lake]

how i hate nurgle inspired factions i can't even explain ;; always i fell like not dealing with something devil/evil but giving mercy to those poor sick creatures - always it makes me fell "weak".

[ancient surge]

Whilst trying to not go too deep here, I will say that the warhammer franchise is probably the central piece of the "grimdark" descriptor for universe. We may sit here and pick apart and like or dislike, but nothing about it is positive. Fantasy has a lot of themes of doing things to survive/get by and ultimately fail, as it falls to chaos. 40k is ultimately different shades of bad.
That said, we can still talk about thematic elements of this or that as a sort of easy comparison to a rather well known franchise.
I'm partial to Tzeench in that sense :p

If only I could find an equivalent for beemancer in that sense.

[sinful crescent]

Hmm, why are all my MTX unequipped on my characters all of a sudden?

[ornate lantern]

is there gonna be an S tier spellblade build in S4?

just want a build that will be able to do new pinnacle, no ambition for uber abby anyway

[broken trench]

maybe, maybe not

[willow sentinel]

#💬┃general message

[sinful crescent]

Thank you

[candid linden]

Anyone else going to play the new season?

[sinful crescent]

Fore sure! Super hyped!

[south moat]

Going to play it indeed

[sinful crescent]

I just really wish PoE would not drop stuff like right on top of LE seasons. But honestly, given up on that hope and will play LE since it´s been planned for a long time

[south moat]

At least there was about 3 weeks difference between poe1 & le season
and poe2 we hear about at the end of next month

[sinful crescent]

Gauntlet starts 2 days after LE S4

Not sure if it is the Asian servers but a bit worried about the constant DC´s I am getting today. Hope it´s not like that when season starts

[ancient surge]

Corporate warfare at its finest, in a sense. It only works if we actually behave as expected and not make our own decisions.
I took LE on its own two legs since 1.0. Now that we're staring season 4 in the face, I abandoned PoE to stick with LE going forth, however long that lasts. Because I decided as such for myself.

[sinful crescent]

Hopefully we get seasons more steadily going forward

[south moat]

Yeah but gauntlet isn't official GGG event.

[sinful crescent]

True, but it is a "reset" on one of their best leagues to date

Anyway, enough about that. S4 looks super good

Actually kind of want to go rogue for hc saf this time

[ancient surge]

GGG has a system of private leagues for their titles. I don't know the specifics, but technically any community can request their private server and it's mostly used for such events. In the past it used to be their own race events, such as the now called gauntlets on the regular. They provide open public support to big streamers that are in close relations to them that want to organize such events, down to advertising some, because invariably attention gets drawn to the title itself.

Convoluted? yes, enough that it gets lost in translation who initiated it.

[sinful crescent]

It´s a good system imo to keep everything fresh and draw attention

[ancient surge]

It is very good for the purpose of marketing, indeed.

In my talks elsewhere, several have noted that LE could use more exposure.

[sinful crescent]

Some promoted hc saf race and gauntlets would probably attract more streamers as well meaning more players

[ancient surge]

Agreed. Anything that makes sense that draws more people to the title, I am in favor of.

[south marsh]

HC is the minority of the community in any of the games if you want proper publicity you don't need some complex thing you just need to make a good game

The issue with LE is that the majority of its systems are available (or better) in poe and poe is free

[sinful crescent]

It is, but if you check viewer count during HC races for for example. People do want to watch their favorite streamer compete even if they normally play sc themselves

[south marsh]

And how many of them actually play the game

They get hooked by the streamer but give up after one death

[sinful crescent]

Guessing most people that watch a game stream plays the game one way or another?

[south marsh]

Nope that's not really true

[sinful crescent]

Ok

[south marsh]

People watch streamers for entertainment

It's watching the person not the content itself

[sinful crescent]

What other streamer than a certain aussie that streams PoE would people watch for the personality and have no interest in the game?

What LE streamer are people watching and not playing LE?

[south marsh]

That's streamers who stream exclusively a single game

[ancient surge]

The trick is that most arpg streamers actually play more than one arpg.

[sinful crescent]

They do

And they usually switch when there is either a race, sponsored or something new and shiny that they really wanna play anyway

That attracts viewers

[ancient surge]

Thing about marketing is getting streamers to play your game, expose it to their existing audience.

[south marsh]

We kinda went astray with the whole topic of publicity in a way

[ancient surge]

Most work is to convince the streamer to play your game. Monetarily or otherwise.

Indeed, streamers are people that basically work a job as entertainers that are used as post boards for products.

[south marsh]

My point is that no matter what the company does or which streamer publicized the game if the game is not good it will not get players

[sinful crescent]

There are games with horrible reviews in Steam that gets a new influx each season due to a lot of big streamers streaming their new content every time

[ancient surge]

Imho, LE has plenty to offer in a "less is more" kind of way.

[muted cape]

I think le has enough exposure until console launch so what it's already doing which is players only come if its a good patch! So 1.0, 1 2 and now looks like 1.4 will slam it out of the park

[ancient surge]

Well, fair enough then. Godspeed!

I eagerly await the day when I get my hand MTX :p

[sinful crescent]

The content that has been added and now part of the core game keeps adding a lot of value in LE I think.

[muted cape]

And big streamers already prepping for le. Rax and carn i saw earlier yesterday

[south marsh]

And how many stay around after the hype passes? This is a pointless argument when we are talking about player retention.

[sinful crescent]

I personally feel that the hunts and the weaver stuff adds a lot that was "missing" in the beginning to keep going

[ancient surge]

I know fubgun has content for LE. Also popular in the PoE community.

[sinful crescent]

They probably only want the influx to buy their packs, spend money and then not overload the servers constantly?

[south marsh]

A game grows with its community and without player retention you have no community

[ancient surge]

Player retention is low for any arpg title. It's the seasonal aspect that keeps the audience coming back, usually.

[ancient surge]

That holds true for any game, though...

[sinful crescent]

This. New shiny things, new shiny mtx, new shiny content.

[south marsh]

And I didn't say anything about a game exclusively I said publicity comes from a good game not by hype

[umbral bramble]

I mean, the whole point of games is you play them, and once you're done you move on.

Only ones that kind of void this rule are MMOS deliberately designed to consume your time.

[sinful crescent]

Can come from both

[wet loom]

Gotta play something while I wait for that Grim Dawn expansion

[muted cape]

They got us with a tucan, now its a panda...

[south marsh]

Ok which type of publicity would you say is better for a game then

[ancient surge]

But long term titles with online play like these are a little different, in that normal titles have their life cycle that is finite, game gets made, patched updated, up to a point, then scaled down within a few years (2-3) to work on the next title. online arpgs are conceived like MMOs in that they are meant to last long.

[sinful crescent]

To attract new players? I would say that having the game very high on twitch charts would be a good way to attract new players. Preferably with streamers not roasting the game

[ancient surge]

But do so without scripts...

[south marsh]

So you are moved by numbers and not genuinely well designed games?

[sinful crescent]

Where did I say that I don´t want a well designed game?

[ancient surge]

To each their own, but what makes LE not be a quality title?

[sinful crescent]

There are plenty of very good indie games that fail due to no exposure even if the game itself is super good and well thought out

[south marsh]

But you said that stream numbers are more important than the game being good and the publicity coming from the players themselves

[ancient surge]

He did not.

[sinful crescent]

I said I believe its important for attracting new players...

[ancient surge]

He meant it as an "on top of" kind of deal.

(insofar as me reading it)

[south marsh]

He said that to attract new players stream charts are the better option

[ancient surge]

There was no wording that impled as such, to me.

To be fair, re-reading, Delz did not answer your question specifically :p

You asked which is better, but Delz is more on using all the options at hand.

[sinful crescent]

To have people play your game for a long time, having a very high quality game is probably better. To get new people to try your game and get an influx of players hype/marketing/twitch charts or whatever will probably get you more players (not saying they will stay forever)

[south marsh]

I'm not even talking about additional publicity I am strictly speaking about which is the most important thing to publicize your game

[sinful crescent]

That and community

[ancient surge]

Isn't one of the classic methods called "word of mouth"?

[south marsh]

That's the whole base of my point. Without having a good game your numbers are meaningless since the players won't stay or come back to play

[sinful crescent]

Not gonna flame other games here but you can find them yourself on steam and twitch. Bad (or less than good ratings at least) do manage this with streamer hype every season

[south marsh]

That's the most solid and important form of publicity but not in terms of increasing your overall numbers but building a community

[ancient surge]

I mean, I learned about LE only at 1.0. I didn't even know it existed prior. And I learned of it via a bigger community of PoE.

[south marsh]

I found LE from a friend who loves playing PoE and D2

[sinful crescent]

I can´t even remember how I found LE. I just remember that LE and 2 other arpgs kind of came close to eachother, or at least developed during the same time and wanted to have some arpg to play outside of PoE

I actually liked them all in their own way

[ancient surge]

I started PoE solo in 2017. Over time and with a bit of a history, I ended up joining a big community by way of split off from the first guild I decided to give a chance to, see what the social aspect looks like. It was in this last community that I learned of LE and never had any regrets about it.

[sinful crescent]

LE just had more fun builds at the time and felt better

Anyway, time for dinner. Have a good one and let´s all enjoy S4 🙂

[south marsh]

Have a good one

[south marsh]

I started because of a friend and stayed because I love the simplicity of the building but the flexibility of the systems

[valid flare]

For some reason the last epoch seasons are timed perfectly for me. I grind the game like 3 weeks take a break and everytime i really want to play again the new season is like 5 days away

[ancient surge]

Less is more, right?

[south marsh]

Not even less is more but the right amount where you want it

[ancient surge]

It's in your biological calendar now 🙂

[ancient surge]

I say less is more coming from PoE, where you literally have everything and the kitchen sink thrown at you as a player.

[valid flare]

Seems like it. Only downside is being hyped and having to wait 4 days 😛

[south marsh]

For me personally it's like ....
Monoliths are my grinding itch scratched
The crafting system is simple but you have a large selection to make ur things
The loot is simple to understand but you can tweak many of its details

[valid flare]

LE is the only game of its genre i ever gotten into and didnt get either bored or overun by systems

[south marsh]

So it's simple to understand but there exists complexity

[ancient surge]

I used to call LE the sweet spot between D4 and PoE.

[south marsh]

The only thing that I might say as negative is probably the campaign which is ..... Ok that's as far as I can get it

[ancient surge]

But... LE is more than either.

PoE does not offer any form of campaign skip, by the by.

[valid flare]

I just want more flashy effects im a simple man

[ancient surge]

Number go up, monkey brain go click for me.

I would rather see what my character is doing :p

[south marsh]

Try making a flurry build and cosplay as a land mower

[ancient surge]

If you want flashy, I think our good friend Kalitarq here had one that turned your screen into a flashbang :p

[south marsh]

Ah yes the bomber

I did post the basic build without gear yesterday I think

[ancient surge]

Hmm.. to the discord search then.

[valid flare]

I wanted to do a rouge melee build next season to see hpw flashy shadows are.

[south marsh]

I was tempted to do the same but I cooked a different build I wanna test

[ancient surge]

#💬┃general message This one?

[south marsh]

That's the bomber ye

With skill lvl it changes a bit but that the base

[ancient surge]

Well, I saw it, which is why I mentioned it based on your description and how it could be considered flashy :p

[valid flare]

My gf did a lich coal thingy build with a million dashes. That was also flashy but to hard for her to execute

[south marsh]

It basically makes the map feel like nukes are being fired every 0.5s

[valid flare]

Is there a video? x)

[south marsh]

Eh... Not this one specifically

There is a similar one tho

[ancient surge]

Lemme dig up the post with the link

#💬┃general message

[south marsh]

Yeah tnx

[valid flare]

banger thanks

[ancient surge]

My pleasure, always in favor of good ideas.

[south marsh]

Mine is a bit ..... Bigger I'd say

Since I dont use the golems

So I got extra mobs and the neverending swarm of zombies

And the mana bar goes from empty to full every second

It's just an amazing experience no joke

But it's a fact that I've never used the build in lategame

[valid flare]

When is late game. I doubt i ever was

[ancient surge]

Empowered monos, technically.

[valid flare]

That is when u walked trough all once right?

[ancient surge]

1000 corruption is a sweet spot, but that's more for those that actually push for that.

[valid flare]

Sounds like thats where i wanna go next season.

[ancient surge]

Not sure this patch will be good for those that are new to that aspiration. bunch of 10% increases to health and damage for level 100 mobs (on top of which corruption adds scaling), bunch of redesigned monsters, particularly rares that are meant to be better at killing the player character

But, this season of LE got me to actually sit down and ponder a build for myself. I blame the bees. If anything, I learned to not trust myself with a good build just going in. Took thousands of hours of PoE and nearly 1000 of LE to return to the root of me wanting to make a build that can perform up to the higher end content.

Whether bleed bees can pull through, though... TBD.

[willow sentinel]

I beelieve

[ancient surge]

Most of the build looks promising and achievable. It's the idols I'm most worried about. If the bees per 10 seconds affix on idols that can roll it stays at 0.1 weighting, it's going to be abysmal to get that, let alone the suffix that would work well. Not to mention the ideal 7 out of the 3-7 rolls.
Mostly because the idols from the altar would amount to some 30-35 bees aside from the gear itself.

In fact, base gear, with no idols is maximum 18 bees in the way I built it. But the altar can theoretically squeeze out 38 bees. (assuming maximum possible rolls)

[umbral bramble]

[willow sentinel]

Don't squeeze the bees

Bee gentle

[ancient surge]

you squeeze the idols such they pop out bees every 10 seconds.

[wheat tiger]

How long till log in time?

[willow sentinel]

https://discord.com/events/368953963267096586/1483197769995915346

Should show in your local time

[wheat tiger]

Amen

[inland valley]

hi guys, i havent played for 2 seasons and im planning to return this new one. Is putting ur items at lowest price the best way to rank up merchants guild like it was?

[willow sentinel]

It never was

You gain rank when you put stuff on sale

Not when you actually sell them

[ancient surge]

That was changed at some point.

[willow sentinel]

Nope

[ancient surge]

But I forget which.

[willow sentinel]

It was always when you spend favor

[inland valley]

yep but it was a way to not think about prices too much cause only u wanted was to be able tobuy exalteds as fast as u could

[willow sentinel]

And its when you put smth for sale that you spend favor

[willow sentinel]

I mean if you are fine with not getting money and just spending your favor, that's up to you

[inland valley]

so, the fastest way to rank up is putting items on sale?

[ancient surge]

Ah, right, the system was of getting extra favor based on sale price, apparently.

[inland valley]

oh so now u have to do it the other way? Put items at 1M? hahaha

[willow sentinel]

Gaining and spending your Favors

Gaining Favors > kill monsters

Spending Favors > selling and buying items

[inland valley]

ok ty mate

[south marsh]

I gotta admit I didn't know how the merchant league even worked I've always played ssf

[wheat tiger]

Since we're on the topic, I never tried MG. Is it worth it for someone who isn't gonna rush the game?

Or do you have to go fast to keep up with inflation n stuff

[willow sentinel]

Can't tell you, always played cof

[rancid pulsar]

MG is specifically for if you are rushing through things, and competing to try to play fast

[wheat tiger]

Definitely not for me then

Good to know

[rancid pulsar]

the more time goes on the more market will dry up, at least from what we've seen so far

[south marsh]

[inland valley]

i mean its easier to get ur desired build without being maxed, but i guess its harder to get bis build

[rancid pulsar]

I've only done MG up until this point, gonna swap this season (probably)

[inland valley]

also, u get quite crazy when u have too many items and u have to search what is their price

[rancid pulsar]

kinda daunting having to hunt down my own weird niche uniques but we'll see how it goes 😄

[south marsh]

I think that's one of the reasons while I've never played or built a character revolving around a specific item but works on their own

[willow sentinel]

Not sure that's true, I have seen a lot of min maxers swap to mg to be able to buy stuff because farming the right 3lp uniques and 3t7 exalted was taking to long

[willow sentinel]

Still on Glyph Fire Aura?

[rancid pulsar]

yep. I'm debating doing something safer for a first character though

[inland valley]

at least 2 seasons ago, after 1 or 2 weeks prices were to fuked up that was hard to buy things

[south marsh]

May I recommend my bomber Necro spec

[rancid pulsar]

naw it'd be smite paladin

[south marsh]

I feel like I've recommended that spec literally every chance I get

[rancid pulsar]

acolyte is the one class I have zero knowledge about and that's fine to stay that way for a bit LOL

[willow sentinel]

2 seasons ago > 1.1, there was gold generation abuse

[south marsh]

Hey let me just sell you an image
Think of blue nukes making you blind every 0.2s

[inland valley]

yep, was so sad

[willow sentinel]

So its fair to say it's not the real experience of MG

[rancid pulsar]

what will happen in MG is if you want to play the "popular" build (whatever that is we'll discover in the first few days of the season) you're overpaying for your items by orders of magnitude

so just keep that in mind if you want to play erasing strike slammer or something

[south marsh]

This sounds ...... Annoying

[rancid pulsar]

the flip side is if you play funky weird stuff your items are (sometimes literally) free

which is why I do it

[south marsh]

As much as I'm not a fan of endless grinding I still think that the true rpg experience is actually building your own character

Fight the RNG and make your own build

Once again that's my personal view

[ancient surge]

It is a general rule that off-meta builds are cheaper, not necessarily weaker. Player markets, which MG is one of, live by the meta and die by the meta. Popular builds or rather popular items that are common between builds naturally go up in price as demand is big, while supply is about the same, particularly when it comes to random drops (not boss uniques).

If you want to play the most meta builds, go CoF would be my opinion. Unless you're good at market use and manipulation.

I default to CoF because of PoE being market centric unless full SSF with no added benefits ptsd. I can lengthen my play time and spare my nerves if I go CoF, which is the ideal combination to actually enjoying my time playing.

[ancient surge]

Now consider this: building your own character and killing uber abby with it :p

[south marsh]

You must know I've never even gotten to Ubers so that holds no value to me

My joy of playing the game is just that playing a game not min/maxing my way to an achievement

[ancient surge]

To you, maybe not. To me, yes.

Well, I think we all play games to get something that we don't get out of our jobs.

For me, the lack of actual order is what made me want to structure a path for myself in other ways.

[south marsh]

To each their own I don't judge other ppl's fun even if I can't understand it

I can certainly relate to forging my own path

Just my goal is the journey not the destination if that makes sense

[ancient surge]

For me, it's both, but I admit, more skewed towards the destination.

I start with an idea to aim for and then follow the course and adjust my course as items come in and I work with and around what I have and don't have.

It combines both the end build concept and the adjusting as par for the course.

[severe rune]

will new cosmetics be added on s4 launch or we just get what we have the shop atm?

[ancient surge]

There will be new MTX, we don't know exactly what yet.

[south marsh]

Speaking of cosmetics is there a way to see how exactly your character will look if you equip it?

I never figured it out

[nova mulch]

There is still hope for humanity after all

[primal abyss]

Good day, travelers 🙂

[ancient surge]

Imma write a little thingy up, but I'm taking it to #📚┃off-topic

[willow sentinel]

Will Vandryll become Van-bee-ll when season start?

[ancient surge]

And muffin, flying muffin if we attach a balloon?

[primal abyss]

Oooh, I like that name, Vlad

I'll consider it

Gotta add it to my list of Bee variant names

[willow sentinel]

We will rename the studio
Epic Honey Game

[primal abyss]

lool

Thats a stretch

[turbid silo]

Happy Tuesday 🙂

[primal abyss]

Good Day, Derrick

[willow sentinel]

BeerrickG?

[primal abyss]

DerrickBee?

[willow sentinel]

It was right there

[south moat]

Hey Van & Derrick
Any chance of making the twitch drops last a bit longer? 4 days might not be enough

[primal abyss]

Howdy!

[fair wing]

morning folks

[primal abyss]

Good morning!

[south moat]

Gm Odin
or is it a bee in disguise?

[primal abyss]

One of many Bees!

[fair wing]

https://tenor.com/view/bumble-bee-gif-25525114

[ancient surge]

A single bee?

[south moat]

Yes, a massive bee

[primal abyss]

I don't have control over the twitch drop timeframe but I can absolutely share this sentiment as feedback today.

[south moat]

Right
And I guess it's also set already so harder to make changes I suppose

[quick patio]

what build you guys are playing this cycle?

[primal abyss]

Mage and Rogue!

Builds are... tbd

[south moat]

I'm planning on going bees primalist
just a walking, breathing beehive

[vocal sonnet]

got a feeling someones gonna find some broken bee build

[south moat]

Yeah, me

[tall lagoon]

I'm going with a fireball spam to proc meteor and frostclaw build I saw on reddit, but adapted for lightning

[quick patio]

saw a lot of paladin sugestions but i dont know yet

[primal abyss]

Aah, that does sound kinda fun 😮

[south marsh]

Hmm I just made myself another lawnmower build to test on the new season I'm so excited

[umbral niche]

Very first time playing LE with bro, gonna roll a warpath void knight and that lightning rampage bear build lol

[tall lagoon]

I'm hopeful for it, we'll see if it can keep up with the mana costs though!

[vocal sonnet]

I want a meteor build but a casted one

I dislike all these proc builds

[tall lagoon]

I'm 95% sure I saw one updated for season 4 that cast meteor directly, can't remember if it was on maxroll or lastepochtools though

[south marsh]

I'm starting with a Nurgle lich and then I'm gonna build a lawnmower after that I'll probably test a runeboy

There will definitely be a bomber Necro as well since I've made one every season so far

[willow sentinel]

Put some thornshield on those bees

[unborn relic]

Anyone else still undecided on a build to play?

[south moat]

If I can remember to do that

[primal abyss]

It's I.

Class I got, specific build... whatever just clicks with me haha

[south marsh]

Well lemme tell ya bout my bomber necro

I'm joking

[proven gyro]

des francophone par ici ?

[willow sentinel]

Oui mais faut parler anglais ici 😁
Regarde dans #1361743745116016780 il y a quelque serveurs français
Notamment celui de Spiiike

[lucid herald]

welp a cyclone is going to hit my city this weekend

thats fun

hopefully no power issues

[proven gyro]

ouf rare les franco dans ce jeux

[primal abyss]

Please be safe!

[grim sinew]

Gonna try mixing squirrels and bees !

[halcyon sky]

Do we know if you can still do legendary slamming on LP uniques that are corrupted? or must you always do legendary slam => then corrupt?

[tidal pagoda]

Yup. Lots of cool options this patch.

[surreal inlet]

why is there 1.5k plauers only , game dead ?

[night marten]

you cannot. corrupt is a final step

[halcyon sky]

I see. I figured, but wasnt sure since technically it's not crafting to combine legendary and unique 😄

[night marten]

yes, its dead. there is definitely not a new season in 2 days for sure

[halcyon sky]

it's literally at the very very tail end of a season right now. next season starts in 2 days

[halcyon sky]

I keep hopping between like 4 builds across 2 classes in my mind 😄

[lost elk]

Why is the new season defiant? 😛

[earnest oasis]

yea

[willow sentinel]

🪦

[willow sentinel]

I was so sure I'll start fire Aura

I changed my mind

Let's see if I change again

[night marten]

you know i make this typo all the time and i am really not sure why

[halcyon sky]

Same actually. I keep jumping between Fire aura => meteor/blackhole => bladestorm shurikens => shadow cascade

I think I might go rogue since I played mage last season

[vocal sonnet]

yes you and everyone else

[night marten]

not everyone

[vocal sonnet]

everyone

[halcyon sky]

Never said i was original ;D

[modern pagoda]

I've never built a build on my own but I'm looking at this Shattered Lance set and I'm not sure if it's good or not. What are your impressions?

[lost elk]

Tsunami changes currently have my heart

[willow sentinel]

Does look juicy
Edit: it makes we wet

[willow sentinel]

It pretty nice yeah

[zenith pewter]

no bees? D:

[simple bison]

There's the beeteor mtx, close enough

[halcyon sky]

Maybe as an alt later 😄

[zenith pewter]

now you're us

[oblique root]

so how many days away from launch?

[zenith pewter]

2

[golden saddle]

2

[viral marsh]

2 many

[south marsh]

2

They probably chose that day so they can fix game breaking bugs on Friday and play on the weekend

Smart devs

[halcyon sky]

Just wish it came out a few hours earlier since thursday happens to be my day off (and i live in eu timezone). Now im gonna have to find out a way to play all through the night and stay awake which is getting harder as a 30+ year old

Can't believe they didnt specifically launch around my timezone and my exact lifestyle and work hours

[primal abyss]

Yeah, launching a season on Friday is scary just in case something happens. Standard for some places or studios

knock on wood

[golden saddle]

I'm just gunna wait til Friday to play. Don't wanna queue sit on Thursday

[simple bison]

I don't think LE has ever had queues

[south marsh]

Either that or the wood would be knocking

[halcyon sky]

If you dont mind playing offline, you can do offline mode with 0 queues/lag etc

[simple bison]

During 1.0 it would say you're in queue but in reality the service was just straight up not working

[willow sentinel]

I always play CoF and solo, but I can't bring my self to play offline

[simple bison]

So it wasn't a queue issue in reality

[south marsh]

I play offline since I play ssf hc anyway

[willow sentinel]

Idk why

[south marsh]

I don't want my character dying cause of a disconnect

[viral marsh]

Having no chat and see no people demotivates me to not play, I'd love to play offline for better gameplay but at what cost

[south marsh]

For me discord is the social aspect while I just focus on playing the game

[halcyon sky]

I don't recall any queues or lag last season tbf

[south marsh]

How could there be ques with so few people playing hue hue

[turbid silo]

2 more days

[simple bison]

Gotta have that checkmark on your planner

[willow sentinel]

Honestly it's probably that, easy to use the planner with online character

[earnest oasis]

whole point of playing on launch is the race

[viral marsh]

[x] to doubt

[willow sentinel]

X

[inner finch]

All of it? the entire point?

I think that the point of playing on launch is to finally get to play new content as soon as it drops, and often share the experience with others who also do

[burnt eagle]

FWIW regular offline mode (e.g. just pick offline from the menus) does still have chat, doesn't address the "want to see other characters" part though

[frosty ridge]

False

[earnest oasis]

play on the weekend with your mom then

[steep river]

I do the same. "maybe I'll want to use an online feature sometime"

[inner finch]

I wish i could, but she's more into facebook puzzle games

[night marten]

what race?

[willow sentinel]

The MG, game winning competitive race ofc

You have to win the game eagles

[night marten]

i have never heard of such a race. most not be very popular

[willow sentinel]

Did you win Eagles? No? That's what's thought
That's why you never heard of it.

[night marten]

but how can i win if i dont know about it?

i guess i just gotta get good

smh. so ashamed

[viral marsh]

You don't know about it? Do you even play the game! Smh

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/rsHkJz55t78.gif

[night marten]

i guess i just play it wrong

[half quartz]

Does whetstone gavel consider exalteds with set-affixes as exalted for purposes of doubling the stats?

[night marten]

yes

[half quartz]

Thanks!

[pine herald]

I heard race? Maybe it mean winning the inflation.

Cof players are fine.

[inner finch]

CoF players always beat the inflation, because their drops only get better with time

[ornate lantern]

Hey guys, I accidently scheduled a meetup & cinema with an old friend on thursday. Going for steak and then watching Project Hail Mary. I would only come home 5h after season launch.

So, any ideas on what excuse I can use best to cancel the meetup?

[primal abyss]

Tell them you left a window open at home and don't want any bad omens getting in

[granite kindle]

Countdown for new season

I need it 💀 so lazy to concert time zones 🤣

[ornate lantern]

https://giphy.com/gifs/shark-tank-VFYJXIuuFl6pO

[past rose]

Cancel Easy

[ancient surge]

Technically 48 hours from now

[burnt reef]

2 DAYS!

[west mesa]

here we go

[ornate lantern]

dude i literally watched a video of you 10s ago

[burnt reef]

YES SIR

[ornate lantern]

and then you post here lmao

[little orchid]

I thought discord has a feature where I can see my own timezone

[burnt reef]

it was meant to be

[ancient surge]

https://lastepoch.com/ And technically there too.

[ornate lantern]

i was checking out some shatterstrike gameplay, might go for spellblade in S4 :3

[rose hedge]

we getting p2w class yet or is that next update?

[burnt reef]

ooo brother

[rose hedge]

hope it's not more than 10 bucks :c

[west mesa]

just glad servers are down for 24hrs, mean I can get all my work done before going ham on this next season, let's go

[ancient surge]

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[night marten]

it is neither this update or the next update.

[ancient surge]

Discord has timestamps, but they are epoch time, so you kinda need an external converter.

[west mesa]

or flax capacitor lol