📚┃off-topic

[sand wigeon]

omg

i'm saying flicker is more expensive than what you're playing and the gear you have as-is is already bad, you're playing easy content so it's hard to notice

you can't realistically afford the stuff required to play flicker rn

[fierce moth]

Frodo, come on!!!!!! It's so closed.

[stone anvil]

epic

[twilit mountain]

Faust. Mate. Why don't you have Ghost Reaver taken.

[fierce moth]

....I don't understand why he just standing and gazing at the ring

[stone anvil]

he's fighting to urge of keeping the ring

the ring is power and If he throws the ring, he will give up on that power

kirra !!!

wait

@fierce moth have you played shadow of mordor?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/241930/Middleearth_Shadow_of_Mordor/

[sand wigeon]

good game

[stone anvil]

this game is so good If you want to learn more about the rings

[junior oyster]

If I use this on will it change only 1-3 random and the rest stay the same colour?

[twilit mountain]

others will stilll change

[maiden widget]

cos i am an idiot and forgot i swapped out of a lightning cluster previously thanks for that

[junior oyster]

I had a feeling so decided to sell it for 80c

[maiden widget]

storm drinker carried my leech so leech + es recharge felt pretty good

also noticed that pob doesnt support the beast so ingame crit is way better than expected

[twilit mountain]

You can get an i83 rare belt with 18% increased strength for less than a div btw

[warped wren]

At this budget is this build even worthwhile

[twilit mountain]

No lol

[warped wren]

A few mil dps for that level of currency is some KEKW stuff

[fierce moth]

Done all movies about the lord of rings finally. Good series but the ending is a bit boring... Too peace and the sound is too little.

Hobbist is the best indeed!

Time to go back to think my painting...

[fierce moth]

interesting... A game attach with the lord of the ring ip. Make sense on why this game have lots of reviews.

Now I heard that.

[twilit mountain]

There are many LOTR games

[fierce moth]

It's quite cool to kill Mordor's soldiers by yourself 🤔

[twilit mountain]

It's like, one of the biggest and most well known IPs on the planet

[fierce moth]

like?

[warped wren]

Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War are the two biggest iirc

There is also Lord of the Rings Online

An MMO

There's that survival game Return to Moria

[twilit mountain]

Return to Moria, Shadow of War and Shadow of Mordor (idr which one is the first one), Lord of The Rings Online, Tales of The Shire, Gollum (this game sucks)

There's a bunch of older ones based on the movies, back in PS2 and GameCube era

[twilit mountain]

Fun game ngl

[warped wren]

Gllum

[twilit mountain]

I missed getting every expansion for free by like three days last year :<

[warped wren]

I have never played either LOTRO or Return to Moria

Not my genre

Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War I have mixed feelings about. The first one, Mordor, had enjoyable gameplay while I found War very grindy though the Nemesis system is undoubtedly cool af

But my god, the lore

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1265780/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_Gollum/ Oh just find that and want to ask why is it sucks

[warped wren]

It's so dogshit

[maiden widget]

there are even lotr arpgs for gameboy advance that are pretty ok for the time and platform

[twilit mountain]

Incredibly poor in basically every fashion. Bugged to shit, bad gameplay, terrible writing.

[warped wren]

It's so bad it's almost a scam lmao

[fierce moth]

And the price is high

🤔 I should check relevant videos about shadow of war

[stone anvil]

this looks like a movie 😭

[warped wren]

Shadow of War is pretty good if you're not a LOTR nerd

[twilit mountain]

In fairness, the canonicity of the games is pretty up in the air, much like everything past Tolkien's death is

[fierce moth]

I never try the mode of "watch a movie, like it so much, find relevant games to play, leave the own review" so... I don't know what the feeling will be in this process

It's a new world, a new experience and a new life... 🤷‍♀️

I just done the movie then watched an another one before

[fierce moth]

My game just prepared and wait me to click that

Quite busy if I want to learn more about gaming but remember to take care of painting skills... emmmmmm I'm not done house of cards yet, too. Poe 2 coming soon.

This new mode is great definitely... No time to think too much on negative stuff.

[warped wren]

There are extensive notes and letters for the posthumous published works, all meticulously restored by the late Christopher Tolkien. I think Return to Moria is probably the only game that stays true to the lore?

[sand wigeon]

"accurate to the lore" =/= canon

the canon relevance of shadow of mordor and shadow of war is in direct question and has been included in some canon statements and discluded in others

additionally, posthumous works do not technically factor into canoninity if the series is written by a primary author

posthumous works run into the issue of "it's posthumous, there is no way to know for usre if it would have been published or not"

and unless it's published it can't even begin to affect canonicity

tolkien fans generally sepeperate by "tolkien's canon" and "christopher tolkien's canon" and "media canon"

the canon of the movies is different from the books which are different from the games which are different from the posthumous works which are etc etc

so basically the canonicity of the games is pretty much in the air, much like everything past Tolkien's death is

[fierce moth]

Ok done house of cards s3 too. S4 on the plate.

[mental talon]

Didnt hit Cast Speed but good enough we walk

[warped wren]

made 29d after liquidating only div-worthy stacks of essences from 20 maps

investment ~7d

if I liquidate the rest into chaos I'd have maybe 32-33d I guess?

maybe a bit more

[fierce moth]

Morning: 💤
Noon: 💤
Afternoon: 💤
Night: 💤
Midnight: 💃 🕺 🎮 🎧 🍿

My brain always learn nothing until I woke up from a nap at noon. I always active at night but I must go to sleep early to get up early next day. It last in the whole life when I must go to school...

And the society require everybody must wake up early in morning and work on the whole morning and afternoon.
Never get used to this schedule even I tried hard for 10 years.

I still want to stay up late.

The day always too noisy and the night always quite peace.

[placid yarrow]

I ain't missing

I can almost guarantee deadeye, I forgot to equip her with her augment so I think it'll get there after that

19 damage from across the map

Imagine missing this massive thing

[fierce moth]

Interesting. It's a random video I viewed just now. I have the same sketchbook... But acrylic markers I owns are under different brand and my sketchbook is bigger.

Worth to give it a try 🤔

[placid yarrow]

Absolute beast just pulled off 2 grazes and 3 dodges to survive on 1 hp holy

Everyone lived ez clap

[desert jasper]

First ultimatum I did in maps gave me a divine

[vagrant topaz]

Pog

[twilit mountain]

Peak

[desert jasper]

I'll admit nothing mr trialmaster man

[twilit mountain]

First of the day

[fierce moth]

......Cool. Slept 2h again. The noise from neighbour's feast is exhausting

[desert jasper]

Pog

Though I've to say
I'm not sure why 2 cuses in the setup? I don't see source for additional curses 🤔

[twilit mountain]

Cinderswallow

[desert jasper]

ooh
Yea I completely overlooked that
Thanks

Got my first inscribed ultimatum
30 orbs of scourings as reward

[junior oyster]

Eater altar?

Or wait is it ultimatum

Yea gotta be the latter

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, Ulti.

[junior oyster]

Btw absolutely love the build that was given to me
https://pobb.in/pPoq5wzO-AkT

Probably can't do ubers with it but it shreds most content in maps

[desert jasper]

Hmm
it might've been a mistake taking Beyond nodes after I took all the ultimatum stuff & expedition things
Spawned Beidat in my 2nd t16 map and it's taking ages to kill him

It's not like he does any dmg to me but you know

[junior oyster]

I forget beyond exists

[desert jasper]

I don't usually pick Beyond because it can be pretty rippy while not really being very rewarding

[junior oyster]

Which altar do you use?

Eater or exarch?

I'm guessing eater because of placement of beyond nodes?

Nvm you said you went ulti hmm

Then again you also took exped lol

[desert jasper]

I'm not doing eater or exarch
I guess I could add eater though

[junior oyster]

Maven?

[desert jasper]

yes

[twilit mountain]

I use Eater cuz I live in a single map

[junior oyster]

Honestly I could quite easily change to eater but if I do I don't think I'm doing ritual

I kinda want to go cosy and just do blight lol

[twilit mountain]

Blight do be decent money

[junior oyster]

Knowing me I make no money no matter what I try to do lol

[placid yarrow]

You can make money doing pretty much anything as long as you're consistent and learn it properly

Obviously some things are better than others though

[twilit mountain]

Let me rephrase. Blight is free money. You put the freeze enchant on one ring and the burning ground one on the other, build chill towers in front of meteor towers and plop some stun towers around the path and literally just stand there while the blight runs itself.

Builds with sub-500k DPS can endlessly farm blight ravaged maps just by doing that

[placid yarrow]

sub 500k dps 💀

what build is this

[junior oyster]

Oh my build doesn't even need towers lol

Not sure about blight ravaged ofc

[twilit mountain]

On blight ravaged you either do what I said above or you have roughly 30 million single target damage with no ramp time.

[junior oyster]

Yea I did blight ravaged back in tota I think?

I did the strat you mentioned above

I'm aware of that xD

I started with blight but finished with harvest

Gamba'd mb with apo card and then quit the game

[twilit mountain]

Blight used to be even more free but then they nerfed scout towers

[twilit mountain]

Anything that uses CoC, CWC, or CWS on day 1

[placid yarrow]

I guess I just never did anything like that right off the bat and did a starter build if I wanted to play anything like that

Like when I did CoC ice spear I started with death's oath

[junior oyster]

Ok why does this thing look like a chicken leg

[placid yarrow]

which tbf is a shit choice for a starter since it has nothing to do with CoC ice spear and you need a complete respec but respeccing isn't that expensive in the grand scheme of things

[twilit mountain]

Ultimatum gamers have no damage because the entire strategy is go in, stand in the ring until it's over, and then leave

[placid yarrow]

heh

I might've gone a little overkill with accuracy

Having 100% hit chance on enemies behind full cover do be nice though

[warped wren]

As long as you don't go triple teal and go triple Amber instead

Triple Teal kinda overwhelms the towers and becomes much more reliant on your damage

[sudden anchor]

I remember messing around with towers, trying different stuff, like flame, freeze, buff etc. Sometimes i came rly far into waves most of the time i only had the fun of trying. Always stayed excited for these map mechanics tho.

[twilit mountain]

Triple teal... that sounds like triple Spheal...

[sudden anchor]

Bc i was a bit afraid at first of pumpkin overflavoring

[fierce moth]

I think it's an interesting thing to compare standard bread under European's rules and Chinese's rules

(Chinese bread usually be eaten as a type of snack)

[sudden anchor]

those look like milkbreadlings with some sweet filling?

thats really interesting. we think of very different things in middle europe than you do in china.

[fierce moth]

Because cream cheese, Nutella and peanut butter is rare in Chinese food

Or they count as western food

[jade jackal]

This bread and anything milk really should be

This is a very year 2000+ thing

[junior oyster]

Flatbread exists too 🥹

[jade jackal]

Well bread is welcome

Im here for a good time, not a long time

[junior oyster]

I thought you wrote wet bread for a minute

[jade jackal]

wet bread is not welcomed

[junior oyster]

I'm tired xD

I mean if you dip the bread in a curry or something it's now wet bread ;)

[sudden anchor]

do you folk not have normal bread? like a bread with butter on it is some basic stuff here.

what do you eat jelly with?
just googled: jam, not jelly.

[junior oyster]

Jam

[sudden anchor]

yes, i got that false

[junior oyster]

I was just kidding

I'm aware Americans (not sure about both continents) use the word jelly as opposed to jam

[sudden anchor]

oh hahaha

[junior oyster]

Yea they tend to say peanut butter and jelly whereas we say (if we even have it ofc) peanut butter and jam

[jade jackal]

baaaaaam

[junior oyster]

Jelly to me is the wiggly stuff

[jade jackal]

peanut butter and jaaaam

[junior oyster]

Ngl I don't think pb & jam is popular in the UK

[fierce moth]

We doesn't eat jam.

[junior oyster]

But do you eat jelly on bread?

||We technically do when we make trifles but that's a different story||

[fierce moth]

No this habit. This habit isn't exist.

[junior oyster]

You should try a trifle if you get a chance

Custard on the top, middle is bread and bottom is jelly

Usually

[twilit mountain]

What y'all call jelly is dubbed as "jell-o" here because the brand ended up being the default name. Kinda like some parts of Europe with adapting the name of "hoover" for a vacuum.

We get really weird about what is jelly, jam, or otherwise. Generally speaking jelly is the smooth spread while jam has bits and pieces of the fruit in it.

[junior oyster]

Yea I was kinda aware of the jell-o thing but I forget about that at times lol

[fierce moth]

Parfait is the word I remind of after I googled pictures about trifle... That's a type of dessert term come from Japan, people in China enjoy it as an expensive dessert because multiple layers and various textures...

[twilit mountain]

Parfaits go pretty hard, just annoying to assemble at home sometimes lol

[junior oyster]

I've never had parfait but doing a google search suggests it's usually frozen?

Whereas trifle is basically chilled at best

[fierce moth]

parfait = advanced trifle

[sand wigeon]

they’re two separate things

[twilit mountain]

Not frozen, just cold. French variant they tend to be more of a meringue-like texture.

[sand wigeon]

jelly and jam are two distinct things here which are also distinct from jell-o

[junior oyster]

So you have peanut butter and jam?

[fierce moth]

But... Sigh. Traditional Chinese seldom eat cream. The only creamy food they accept is birthday cake. Enjoy dessert after meal never in their mind.

[sand wigeon]

i mean you could

the dish is still called peanut butter and jelly though

jam is made from whole fruit whereas jelly is made from fruit juice

[junior oyster]

My point still stands. We call it peanut butter and jam

[fierce moth]

They always complaint birthday cake is too fat because of cream. They prefer just eat the cake without cream.

[sand wigeon]

so jam is chunkier and jelly is smoother

[junior oyster]

Again though pb & jam isn't popular enough in the UK to matter so I'm not fussed

I was just making a little joke

[sudden anchor]

i like the us version of jam, where jelly is another category of it. will adapt that.
also you keep talking about pb. in central europe milk butter is far more common.

[junior oyster]

And I do appreciate the explanation

[fierce moth]

it's understandable though, dairy isn't popular until people get richer. Yogurt and relevant drink still is the popular one in dairy

[junior oyster]

I'll be honest I don't know what milk butter is aside from butter?

[sand wigeon]

it depends where you are

in the americas, dairy is one of the cheapest things you can produce

it’s not seen as high class or anything

[sudden anchor]

yes

[junior oyster]

And yea butter is more popular in the UK too. We put butter on toast, sandwiches and even spuds lol

[sand wigeon]

“even potatoes” it’s like the most normal thing to put on potatoes

it’s a core ingredient in mashed potatoes lol

[junior oyster]

Sorry I meant to clarify jacket potatoes

[sand wigeon]

baked potatoes yes

[fierce moth]

Soy milk is much more common than dairy unfortunately

[sand wigeon]

also very normal for them

[junior oyster]

It's an option and I refrain from having butter lol

On jackets

I like mine with just cheese and beans ty xD

[sand wigeon]

i usually have my baked potatoes with butter, shredded cheese, sour cream, garlic and onion powder, scallions and bacon if i have it

[fierce moth]

Fried beans & Pork floss in garlic flavour let me love with eating beans recently because they're crispy & salty. I'm addicted in that.

Perfect choice for snack when watching a tv series or a movie

[twilit mountain]

I am loving seeing the language differences here ngl. It's really fun seeing different terms for the same things.

(If that sounds sarcastic or disingenuous, I'm sorry. It isn't supposed to be.)

[sand wigeon]

oi bruv mah name’s guy chapman i luv me a jacket potato and rumbledethumps

[twilit mountain]

Average Alfabusa audiolog

[junior oyster]

Lol wth

[sand wigeon]

wut

[sand wigeon]

yeah

[junior oyster]

That's London. Every else is bro

[sand wigeon]

i know

i’ve dated enough british people dw

[desert jasper]

I should've read the eater altar properly
Who knew it's a bad idea to pick up lower recovery per endurance charges when you've like 7 or 8 of them

[placid yarrow]

Classic overwatch ambush where pretty much everyone misses everything pog

Out of 5 overwatches I got one graze and one hit I think lmao

[warped wren]

It's so aggravating. Like b**** you are literally PREPARED TO SURPRISE THE ENEMY, act like it

[placid yarrow]

I wish you could ambush but just with grenades

like just throw 5 grenades at them bro

can you guys not coordinate that or what

[warped wren]

It's been so long since I played XCOM2 but every time I think about going back to it I remember how much the aim mechanic made me rip my hair

[placid yarrow]

That's why I'm just stacking as much accuracy as I can lmao

[warped wren]

Apparently W40K Chaos Gate Daemonhunters doesn't suffer this problem but to make up for it the enemies are health sponges

Idk if that's good or bad, I should play it eventually, it's in my library

[placid yarrow]

My main sniper usually has over 100% even if they're behind high cover now

but everyone else it's a casino

[warped wren]

Yeah snipers you can overcap, i recall

[placid yarrow]

You can on everyone it's just a lot easier on snipers plus it's more useful since you can just keep them on high ground and not really move them at all

other people you wanna give utility and stuff to since they're not out of harms way

[warped wren]

I think in XCOM 1, in the final mission, my sniper solo'd literally ALL those alien turds by using repetitions of the one shot one kill in a single round

OP af

[placid yarrow]

yeeep

[warped wren]

Those close quarter assault guys are pretty broken too

[placid yarrow]

The grenaders have a similar skill in xcom 2 but idk if you can transfer it to snipers since it specifically calls out the heavy cannon

yeah rangers and snipers are goated

[warped wren]

You can get like unending melee in a single round and wipe out half the enemy numbers by just chopping them to pieces

[placid yarrow]

The dlc classes are pretty neat too

especially templars

[warped wren]

The robots are kinda whatever i feel

But yeah those special cult classes are cool

[placid yarrow]

Yeah they're meh. They can be nice to use as mobile cover and for experimental heavy weapons and stuff but they don't replace a maxed out unit for sure

They're decent stand ins

LMAO I can't melee the archon because mf chose to float in an occupied tile so it put him above everyone

The only thing about rangers is when you melee and spot like 2 other groups of enemies and now you're cooked

for some reason the enemies have 0 communication amongst themselves until you see them lmao

[warped wren]

Yeah I used to pair them with the scout grenade

The one that reveals a big area

[placid yarrow]

yea

The support class also has a skill that gives them massive sight range

[warped wren]

The funniest, though not most optimal, class is the one that can get absurd bonuses to hacking

I remember I once hacked one of those giant deadly ball robots

[placid yarrow]

Yea

[warped wren]

Funniest shit ever

[placid yarrow]

I usually start them off as healers but then spec the anti robot stuff later with the training center

[desert jasper]

A few more of these pls

[placid yarrow]

We're about to become one with the theatre seats

[desert jasper]

Also just 3 more ultimatums and I'm at 27 challenges

[stone anvil]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IadDrXeOybM?si=HgIyhdLoEfwYY80I

I need to finish other games first!!

[fierce moth]

You always can find pros in a field...

...This artist play illustrations with acrylic markers in a pro level.

Of course... Materials she owns are pro level too

[stone anvil]

https://youtu.be/3YwVj9vsS5k?si=taWoYfPx-XDvgmBf have you seen this artist?

[fierce moth]

Yes, his skills are pro. He's famous on both of youtube and bilibili

Oh not quite famous on bilibili... But it's fine

He can earn a lot money from youtube than from bilibili

[stone anvil]

there are more talented artists but they are not lucky to show their talents on social medias like these ones

[fierce moth]

The mountain of improving art skills just never have a top

[stone anvil]

well said

patience and passion on your dream what makes you stronger

[placid yarrow]

Them aiming towards Narnia will never not be funny

Because they can't have the bullets go through the enemy

[stone anvil]

someone said in the comments

Been playing this game on and off for almost 8 years. Whenever I see that 85%, I tell myself “so I got about a 50/50 chance to hit or miss, got it.”

[sand wigeon]

untrue i am the best writing to ever exist

[placid yarrow]

That's really optimistic tbh, if it says anything less than 90% it's nothing short of a miracle if you hit

That's why you gotta take away any chance the game has of making you miss

This would be a 178% chance to hit without deadeye

High cover? Hunkered down? Doesn't matter, it's hitting

But then you get the brain balls with like 30 hp and 5 armour or something dumb

[stone anvil]

it sounds funny lol

[placid yarrow]

It is until they deal like 8 AOE damage to your entire squad and revive every enemy you've killed so far all in one skill

Those things are kill on sight lmao

[stone anvil]

so OP wtf

are you saving the game before entering the battle?

or just admitting your luck and go on?

https://youtu.be/s5xzWfZBU1s?si=4SI7qQYFe8-HsFPW

this game is rage baiting ngl

the videos are funny to watch

but Im sure I will get while playing lol

[warped wren]

I have never save scummed as hard as I did in XCOM2

each run has so many "f*$%& this game" moments istg

[mental talon]

Great now there's two of them.

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2azfUcHYhOY

Time to laugh for a while.

[placid yarrow]

99% of the reason I play ranked lol

And both are always exaggerated, normal always takes like 20 mins when it says 15 min and ranked takes like 20 seconds when it says 1 min

[fierce moth]

Alright, a damn grey black acrylic marker ruined everything because of ink flooding.

It's the last picture, this work can't be saved.

[vagrant topaz]

💀💀💀

You have a too good normal mmr sir

You need to int your next 150 games

[placid yarrow]

It's just that nobody plays normals at around diamond ig

I bricked my account after I decided to see what rank I could get a couple years ago

Before then I only ever played normals

[fierce moth]

Ordered 30 maple leaves online. I need to check out how real maple leaves looks to paint maple leaves...

[desert jasper]

Completely forgot that 2 friends were on a vacation in China for a week until they sent some vacation pics

The food looked good and so did the... 3rd hotel they were at
the first one had a water accident in their room and it had like 15cm of water on the floor when they got back from day out

[fierce moth]

I want to own so many friends like Nub too

[desert jasper]

It's not that I've many friends
I've a bunch of close friends I've known for years

[fierce moth]

Oh then maybe classmates or roomrates.

They're the group whose easy to touch and develop friendships, of course, can you make friends with them and keep a connection for years is depend on... lots of elements.

[desert jasper]

I don't keep touch with any of my old classmates or roommates

[sudden anchor]

Ive got a friend from my first 4 years in school i still think about sometimes, but havent been in touch since decades. Hes just one small City away from me too, its not like i dont wanna meet him, i do, but at the same time not feeling like forcing it. I Just feel we will meet some day and its gonna be a good moment.

[desert jasper]

Yeah
Known my best friend for over 30 years. We don't hang out like we used to because he moved to another city

[fierce moth]

Alright. They restrict Chinese to play English version. They're different launchers. I can play the game from Chinese one only...

Clear edge it has.

[placid yarrow]

Interesting

Are there any differences outside of the language?

[fierce moth]

🤔 UI is the same. Maybe contents are the same. I'm curious about can a Chinese meet a France in this game

But I think language is the biggest block to communicate lol... Lots of special terms must translate in a different way

The international version includes Traditional Chinese. I'm downloading Chinese version to see if English is available.

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ Unfortunately, it's as I said. Chinese version is Chinese only

[desert jasper]

Got from a card

[twilit mountain]

Peak

Pretty sure it's bad now sadly

[fierce moth]

wow get shotted by a gun looks scary... Blooding, chaos, fear and helpless.

[desert jasper]

Apparently still 1div

[twilit mountain]

Fair enough

[fierce moth]

@hexed wagon Hi, I'm a Chinese live in China. It's what I know about where winds meet. No ways to play English version of where wind meets because Chinese ip is prohibited in English version? I want to play this game with friends in Europe and US.

[desert jasper]

Who is marunaru? 🤔

[stone anvil]

why they made this 😭

[placid yarrow]

It's semi normal. Same in places like korea where some accounts are linked to your social security

like in league

[stone anvil]

wow and this is game company...

[desert jasper]

Also it's very common for the chinese version of a game to be separate from the other versions

[placid yarrow]

Yeah there's several reasons for why some games have seperate clients in some countries

[twilit mountain]

Chinese client PoE is wild

[placid yarrow]

Don't they have auto pickup pets in it

[twilit mountain]

Yup

[placid yarrow]

and in-game trade since ages ago

[twilit mountain]

And people use the market as storage lol

[twilit mountain]

Yeeeears

Stash tabs expire every league so a lot of people just don't buy them

[desert jasper]

That sounds awful

[lofty wren]

auto pickup pet sounds amazing though... fking harbinger

[desert jasper]

They're limited time so you have to be buying new ones

[fierce moth]

Toucan has arrived

[fierce moth]

....Another surprise from house of cards. I met that favourite coupe here... Benz SLK class

But this car is outdated now... That was quite fancy and modern back to 2014-2015.

[fierce moth]

Figured out why I always unsatisfied with artworks paint by acrylic markers. 80 colours are too less for a stunning colour transition unfortunately so no amazing details I can make with 2 closed colours are available per hue... 🤷‍♀️
5 colours on the same hue but different saturation and value at least if I want something with stunning colours :(

On my voxel art, I use 3. Well, I admit 5 will look better a lot than 3 when deal with complex textures.

Alright I guess the fate want to test me how to make good sketches when colours are limited...

[warped wren]

@twilit mountain the right way to blast legions xdd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxzyPy-w7a0

[twilit mountain]

Standard rich people shit, can't be bothered to care tbqh

[warped wren]

at least one of the new uber uniques isn't dogshit

there is hope

[twilit mountain]

None of them are shit, it's the usual power imbalance we get with boss uniques

[warped wren]

surely

[twilit mountain]

Give it time. Someone will break it.

[stone anvil]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZQcyDONcr2k?si=5oPnuUMGURVBaNjN have you seen this?

In the comments, they say "he's using Loomis Method" , I'm not a profesional here but this is amazing

just using single pencil and drawing these- I mean... ❤️

[fierce moth]

I respect artists who can draw anything amazing by a pencil only, they must master at shading.

What I want is learning colours... Different direction. I want to use colours themselves to draw.

That's what impressionist painting done.

I 100% go into mad when I want to learn using lines to draw something because I want every line on the perfect direction so I will erased and erased and erased... Then the work is ruined by erased too much.

(Compass drawing is not included because they're accurately themselves. My case for copying an artwork only)

Paint something by colours directly solve this issue. No way to remove colours from the paper once I dropped the ink/ pigments but I can do minor changes so it's wrong and keep wrongly if general position are wrong. But the minor difference on shapes can be edited easily.

Pencils painting is a type of art which full of creativity and aesthetic. They looks pretty good and I hope I can handle that one day 🫡

[stone anvil]

hey 🤣 don't be harsh on yourself, you are great artist

besides everyone has their own tastes

this means- everyone loves different arts

this is old painting made in 1957 I think... but sold for 46 millions $

[fierce moth]

The S class team for the first lady in house of cards s4 remind me of a photography, a white S-class stay in front of a wood cabin near a lake in a forest.

That's my favourite promotional picture from a car.

[stone anvil]

you love cars, don't you

[fierce moth]

yes, but never have a chance to drive a car after I get the driving license

[stone anvil]

I hope you can buy the car that you've desired one day

[fierce moth]

... I even don't realize 4 years are gone after I took these pictures.

They're come from the car exhibition I visited last time, November 2021

The chair is top level comfortable

I know s class have coupe version. That's the luxury car I want.

Cars is an important reason why I want to visit Germany.

Phone is changed because of an accident... I want to keep using Xiaomi phone if I can

[desert jasper]

Art is also commonly used for money laundering

[stone anvil]

it makes a lot of sense

[stone anvil]

honestly I didn't thank you enough, you have good and different perspective of view while looking at situations ❤️

[desert jasper]

I just have the bad habit of viewing things through a negative lense

[desert jasper]

I really should visit Germany again
It's been a bit over 17 years now

[rugged marsh]

some absolute lit indie games coming out,. and a very interesting game from it releases in 9 hours called slyders

[fierce moth]

lol the same

Forced myself to share something positive, last for one month then I gave it up because I can't find so much positive things to share

[fierce moth]

But I learnt how to make jokes from here, at least

[fierce moth]

Lol I never know steam profile can showcase artworks too... Cool

[fierce moth]

Alright, max amounts of colours from this brand is 120 only. I need to find a new brand if I want more colours for acrylic markers...

[desert jasper]

30 challenges...
Think I might actually go for 36 🤔

[desert jasper]

Should be able to hit 35 easily.. well, easily and easily
will need to do some grinding to get 35th
and then will need to pick one that I'd rather not do

[old dune]

• ❌ No mainstream ARPG is pure “stat‑selection sandbox.”
• ✅ Reality Break and Chronicon are the closest — they let you craft what you want with minimal RNG.
• ✅ Mods for Grim Dawn or Diablo III can simulate the “pick your stats” fantasy.
• ⚠️ Last Epoch still has the best balance right now between RNG loot and deterministic crafting, but it’s not fully sandbox.

[fierce moth]

Sketch 4 - What the most ugly sky look like ✅

(Picked up wrong colours + too less colours on the same hue so no transition)

[fierce moth]

New feature on Twitter, display your location

[hot crown]

#JustElolMooskThang

[fierce moth]

I think it's normal though, because Chinese internet force everyone online with real id for 2 years already

[hot crown]

The very fact of chinese government being so hellbent on censoring EVERYF--KINGTHING is not normal.

But what do I know.

[twilit mountain]

Yes and the rest of the world looks at that and thinks it's a bad thing, Kirra

[ebon meadow]

It's not a bad thing I do agree that people over 16 should be using their ID for internet we would have less issues with a lot of things

I don't agree on a social score on platforms like their reddits

I m basing that from Korea though not sure if every Asian country does the exact same

[sudden anchor]

so if i say i am under 16, they dont ask my id?

[ebon meadow]

U should have limited acces to things in browsers and platforms

[sudden anchor]

brainwash them young, i get it ^^

[ebon meadow]

Under 16 witch is minimal age for things like driving it's a good age

Nah it's not brainwashing the thing is to have acces to content u mostly wouldn't understand anyway or shouldn't see

Learning is good but u have to understand and have decent judgement

[sudden anchor]

some adults dont have that haha. i wouldnt know where to draw the line to say these guys arent allowed on the internet

[ebon meadow]

No they allowed from what ever age internet can be helpful a lot just have limited acces to things

I don't care if a child at 5 navigates it's just something's need to be limited for him to acces

[sudden anchor]

i dont think so. let them see stuff and decide for themselfs what they think about it

[ebon meadow]

These are just opinions anyway , I don't think my opinion is right for rest of people it is for me but I have to consider others

[sudden anchor]

yes, its cool to share opinions and hear others!

[desert jasper]

Problem is that the places that do have those "Id required" for thing like browsing the internet
Oh boy do they leak information

And I wouldn't want all my info out there.
I don't think that using real name + picture of you on the internet and sharing too much information is good either

[real kayak]

I think the main thing here, is it exposed the majority of US right wing propaganda accounts to be based out of foreign countries on twitter. Elon bought twitter, weaponized it to influence the election (among other election meddling), then used the results to destroy all government investigations on himself/companies, data mine the population (DOGE), and then dipped out of politics. No big deal though.

[sudden anchor]

That tells me this elon guy is very smart, if he can outplay governments

[fierce moth]

Which year this game event have found? I never hear this one...

Another indie game event from US... Lots of game events from America

I thought it have the own steam page but it's not...

......I never know this event if you don't share. The scary info gap...

[real kayak]

or just that everything on the planet is for sale, if you have enough money and lack a morale compass

[sudden anchor]

I wouldnt say lacking morale HAS to be involved, when outplaying the government of the usa 😉

[real kayak]

it's a requirement for office here

[sudden anchor]

And i think they have to have their morales up far higher than us normies. They need to act in magnitudes, our mere morals or the understanding of them dont keep up.

And we dont need to.

[hot crown]

Morale and moral are different words though, no? 🤔

[sudden anchor]

Is morale more like a fish?

[real kayak]

yea I meant moral compass

[fierce moth]

sorry my eyes are attracted by his T-shirt

[twilit mountain]

Are we actually trying to call Elon smart and/or having a moral compass of any kind?

Lunacy

[real kayak]

no quite the opposite

[fierce moth]

Is it a tradition in loot-based ARPG, the game director is always the person who introduces which updates the game studio has made in past?

[twilit mountain]

It's kind of just a thing in game dev in general. Cuz. Y'know. They're the director. They are the head.

[twilit mountain]

You get a pass. The other guy....

[fierce moth]

Hellclock will get console support in 2026... Ok

[sudden anchor]

It takes only bad morals and money to undermine your countrys government?

[twilit mountain]

Yes lol

Do you know what lobbying is?

[sudden anchor]

Should rich people with good morals be forced to participate in politics to counterweight?

[twilit mountain]

If I get into my thoughts on the uber rich I will be banned from this server

[desert jasper]

Yeah let's not go more into politics

[sudden anchor]

Ok i understand. Its that bad that they control free speech on discord already. Damn...

[fierce moth]

what Americans usually do to spend thanksgiving?

[twilit mountain]

Idk, I don't really celebrate it

[real kayak]

family and food

[hot crown]

The whole holiday makes too little sense to me, tbh, I don't seem to understand the intention behind it.

[real kayak]

giving thanks for the good things in your life

[hot crown]

(if I had any)

[jade jackal]

My eyes are attracted by Bruce Greene

Who is known to wear awesome shirts lol

[sand wigeon]

Typically it’s just an excuse to eat food

Most people don’t really care about any of the actual meaning

Generally, holidays have become less and less popular particularly in young, queer spaces in the USA, I’ve personally noticed

Fewer and fewer people are really celebrating anything

[hot crown]

"TURKEY!!!" - Chance, Homeward Bound

[stone anvil]

characters and places are so beautiful AAAAAA 😭

[junior oyster]

They are the same meme

Also that throne not having arm rests (or at least where he is sitting) feels super uncomfortable lol

[junior oyster]

Man I wanted to re-watch a silent voice but can't find a site to watch on

Kinda sucks

[twilit mountain]

I bought a blu-ray copy of it lmao

[junior oyster]

Why do I pay for netflix and stuff if they don't even have the good ones

[twilit mountain]

They used to have it

[junior oyster]

Yea I know

Lol

[twilit mountain]

They do still have some good stuff. Vinland Saga. Beastars. Uh...Apothecary Diaries I think

[junior oyster]

Do I have to buy it on amazon? Sheesh

[junior oyster]

ATLA the goat

[sand wigeon]

just start buying actual disks tbh

the amount of times i’ve seen stuff like FLCL, Ghibli, A Silent Voice etcetera at used video/book/game stores for a few bucks is crazy

and it’s not like bluray players are expensive anymore

[fierce moth]

Thanks for black Friday.

[stone anvil]

LFG!!!

I hope you like the game ❤️

[desert jasper]

Enjoy

[fierce moth]

The beginning is interesting and pretty smooth... 🤔 Glad to play a game which tell me what should I do clearly instead of letting me guess

5:05... Sleep at first

[stone anvil]

... 1 player was afk and lost to underleved boss

[stone anvil]

finally learned how to fly

[fierce moth]

wow people so hyped for playing a new class... Just 4 days ago. Better than keepers of the flame reveal even, on views Well better to compare it with poe 2 itself

[fierce moth]

🫠 My damage is quite low + zero gear I wear cause the beginning of campaign is quite tough to push...

I mean poe 2

10+ enemies attack me together is too common and I can't kill them quickly

[placid yarrow]

@lucid light Pretty sure CTRL+Z doesn't work in discord?

Yeah there's no undo binding

[lucid light]

it does work for me... as i said, i do not know, if this works on every keyboard . iam using german layout/language

[placid yarrow]

CTRL+Z would work on mine, it's the standard for me as well

like what does it do for you?

if I delete your message, and you press CTRL+Z will it populate that same message in the text box?

[lucid light]

If the bot auto deletes your message, you can press it and all your text gets back into the "text area", so your message can be edited and is not gone forever

its just a quick and easy way to get all your words back

[placid yarrow]

Type something, I'll delete it and see if you can get it back

[lucid light]

you want me to try it in the suggestion channel?

[placid yarrow]

Nah just here

shouldn't be a difference

[lucid light]

hm..... ok

Delte this message and you will never drop a 4LP again

[placid yarrow]

watahell

lmao

[lucid light]

Delte this message and you will never drop a 4LP again

imaooooo test nr 2

[placid yarrow]

I can make it work while typing

but not for getting back a deleted message

hmmmm

Yeah once I send the message ctrl z stops doing anything

[lucid light]

can you give me mod rights?

[placid yarrow]

no

[lucid light]

you can try it yourself in the suggestion area

[placid yarrow]

I did

[lucid light]

just leave a message, bad formated

[placid yarrow]

didn't work

[lucid light]

ok...

[placid yarrow]

That's why I'm so confused, if it's a setting or something

[lucid light]

oh... are we spamming this channel or is it fine?

[placid yarrow]

Which channel?

this one?

[lucid light]

this.... don't know if some think we are spamming or so^^

[placid yarrow]

No we're fine

And you just use the normal discord client without any addons or anything right?

[lucid light]

just the pure default settings

[placid yarrow]

Reason I'm so interested is because I'd really like to be able to ctrl z lmao

and you're using the desktop app right?

[lucid light]

i mean, i have my normal logitech software opened in the background, but nothing special

[placid yarrow]

Yeah that shouldn't matter

[lucid light]

if i write something in the suggestion channel, can you see deleted message?

i could try it another time, if it still works for me^^

[placid yarrow]

I mean you've shown it works

via getting the message I deleted back

[lucid light]

yeah

[placid yarrow]

by using ctrl z right

you didn't copy it or anything

[lucid light]

and i promise i didnt copied it before*

yes

[placid yarrow]

yea I believe you

so there's no need to mess around with the suggestions channel

[lucid light]

This might be the new meta for suggestion/feedback channel... but weird, that you cannot use this "feature"

[fierce moth]

🤔 ctrl +z work!!!!

[placid yarrow]

Yeah maybe it's just me then

[lucid light]

You better not make a mistake then 😌

[hot crown]

Protip: make a draft in Notepad before sending it.

[sudden anchor]

Or if youre in a rush, make a photo with your phone.

[desert jasper]

Hmm for some reason I wasn't getting stunned against the expedition mobs with these mods
🤔

or at least my cast when stunned wasn't proccing at all

2nd time that's happening with expedition today

[fierce moth]

Yo my 🍁 is delivered

Mini 🍁

[sudden anchor]

Anyone playing piano? Im off to a chill session and want to push myself a bit at the end. Not sure what training to choose.

[fierce moth]

😎 I'm happy for that (it's a layout training)

[ebon meadow]

Technology is getting ahead of us might be some sort of clipboard app running in back ,I had it before but it was on a tablet and android ,basically it would auto copy text after suirtain amount of characters has been typed

Could hold the text box for few seconds it would bring back 8 last copyed texts window

Pretty sure touchscreen Lenovo laptops had the same feature

Now that I think about it cntr Z backing up the text box is a bit weird mine was just cntr C

[sudden anchor]

what are your most emotional christmas songs? i want to learn to play one and currently looking into them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FngKoHaGaqg might be it, but waiting for you folks input

[ebon meadow]

Brother I worked in shops for last 10 years and listening to jingles for 8 hours or more on repeat makes me despite the music

And everywhere u go is same stuff , I like my repeated music but holy ...

[sudden anchor]

yea, being forced to listen to music + on repeat sucks :/

[ebon meadow]

My eye tics during Christmas at work lmao

Don't get me wrong I have same playlist from 16 years ago and I listen stuff untill I m bored but Christmas music it's just shivers at this point ,I just go classics

Top songs from 1990 till today is fine

[junior oyster]

Terraria frost moon

It's very emotional to see yourself getting ripped

[fierce moth]

After 3h... Half of them on the sketchbook now.

(Hand-drawing is a good choice for spirit-consuming)

[fierce moth]

Use a Macbook to stream and post the announcement on twitter in 2014. Well... I don't even know what Apple laptop looks lol...

I know iMac only because I used that in a ktv a few times

What I knew in 2014...Emmmm

There's a few iMac in a ktv, Apple pc system is very tricky to use.
I'm isolated by classmates.
My score of maths and physical is chaos.
I enjoyed to solve questions relevant to Mendelian inheritance so much because it's part of exams and I'm good at that.
It's prosperity period for the car forum I viewed and I addicted in scrolling posts from that.
Roco kingdom is the favourite game but my pc is trash and my parents prohibited me to play because my scores are bad.

[stone anvil]

but what about right now??

[stone anvil]

map size in days gone made me tripping

[fierce moth]

🤔
Judd responded AI doubt finally, appreciated that.
I understand 0% about Paradox Classes.
Thanks Jesus, roadmap is summoned!

No idea which theme for s4 is, the iconic cover for s5 seems relevant to deep sea monsters?

[mental talon]

Paid classes

[fierce moth]

will you buy that?

[mental talon]

No

[fierce moth]

@radiant comet what do you think of paradox classes?

General is exploding by messages so let's change a place

[twilit mountain]

Welp, I'm out for good lol

[mental talon]

My sides are in orbit right now ngl

[twilit mountain]

People really out here defending it too "Borderlands 2 had paid classes!" Yeah! And it sucks there too!

[fierce moth]

paid classes is the top hot topic now hhhh

[mental talon]

I'm gonna grab the popcorn, this is peak content hour for me

[fierce moth]

hhhhh popcorn is on my hand already

[junior oyster]

Yea I'm not down to paying for LoL like heroes

Or heroes of the storm rather

As that's what I'm more familiar with

I understand they need to make money but this can't be the way lol

[twilit mountain]

Wheezy ya mind if I slip you an invite to my server rq?

[mental talon]

Expansion is also paid btw since people missed it, it's free for current owners and will be "wrapped into the base game price"

[mental talon]

Yeah sure

[fierce moth]

#💬┃general message
Oh yes this message is the key

🤔 Players feel betrayed by paid class

[junior oyster]

No content should be paid lol

Aside from cosmetics

Make better cosmetics and sell cosmetic only battlepasses

Even D4 got that right

[twilit mountain]

I am fine with paying for content when that is the standards you have already set. You don't get to rugpull me by saying all playable content will be free and then doing the exact opposite

[fierce moth]

👀 Paid classes remind me of torchlight infinite, one of reasons I quit is paid classes

Well. This point is deadly...

[twilit mountain]

TLI only has one paid class per season nowadays

And funny enough unlike before it usually doesn't even crack top 5 in performance

[twilit mountain]

As in after one season ends the class goes free

[fierce moth]

The only way I can accept is buy the whole game

I can't agree with this choice too

It's scary if runemaster become part of paid classes... I think it's the iconic featured character in le

[junior oyster]

Originals won't become paid classes

Damn this menu looks sick

So much better than the original menu lol

[twilit mountain]

I thought that wasn't out yet

[junior oyster]

You are correct :P

https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/grim-misadventure-197-sounds-of-asterkarn/150139

[twilit mountain]

Ahhh okay

First half of 2026 ain't bad

[junior oyster]

Yea it's only been delayed by like a year

Lol

Also I hope this and StS2 don't release around the same time

I won't know what to play lol

[twilit mountain]

I'll give the like 20-some employee company working on like 3 different games at once some leeway

[junior oyster]

Oh yea me too lol

I'm not complaining

[silent steeple]

I know this is off topic channel but the general channel has a lot going on there and some of it seems down right repulsive, so...

Any idea what its all about?

[junior oyster]

Check the ping?

In #news

[silent steeple]

I didn't read it but isnt it a roadmap

[twilit mountain]

And announcement that the expansion is free only for people who own the game already, base price will go up to compensate, and there is going to be a separate paid class.

[silent steeple]

Ohhhh

Wait this is exactly what AGS did 😂

Oh well! Ty

[fierce moth]

Players think paid classes will influence balance so le will become a p2w game, players who paid for new classes can be boost up so remain players can't get a good experience.

[twilit mountain]

I don't give a damn about if it's unbalanced or not. I was sold a product and told that my purchase would mean no further purchases down the road outside of cosmetic. They flipped that, so they lose a customer in me. It's that simple.

[fierce moth]

I think it's a possible thing indeed. Money bring more power.

@blissful token @gilded elm New le drama is here :)

[blissful token]

I havent read the post yet

[silent steeple]

Its not just about balance tho. The whole principle on which arpg games were built is u can play the game as any class u want. Role play as a paladin or a mage or a hunter and so on. The very idea of taking one of those classes and keeping it behind pay wall goes against the concept of arpg and turns the already dwindling player base of arpg into even smaller one

[blissful token]

but i saw paid classes

inb4 LE goes the monthly subscription model like FF14 :P

gotta pay to play certain classes

oh wait thats expansion iirc

[twilit mountain]

GW2 in the corner sustaining a healthy player base for a decade or so off of just expansion sales and cosmetic sales.

[silent steeple]

When amazon games released the expac RoTAE, they locked it behind paywall despite the fact everything essential for end game was in that expac. Anyone who would buy the game during expac release would get it for free but for updated(higher) price and anyone who bought earlier wouldnt get the expac at all. That one decision cost them a loss in player count which didnt recover until this season. And ironically its also their last season

[fierce moth]

p2w issue + Paid classes belong to part of paid dlc

It's what I see.

🤔 I think p2w issue is more serious

[silent steeple]

Idk

Its like every time I come back to this server some sort of announcement is made and theres a drama 😂

[jade jackal]

This is my binding of isaac with LE

[abstract karma]

so you are tester but can you even leak data from it _?

[jade jackal]

im just waiting for more information.

[fierce moth]

lol well... This server is changed in a invisible way.

The blood isn't pure anymore

[junior oyster]

No look at my post below

[silent steeple]

Well at least there's still Grim dawn

I recently lvld up a new char too there

And if u want purity, that server has a lot of them. Absolute elitists who don't tolerate anything other than perfection 😂

[abstract karma]

Hmm so #news
That means that LE becoming SP with paid DLC's and wont rely purely on cosmetic anymore like PoE

[junior oyster]

PoE also had paid stashes but we can ignore that

[abstract karma]

PoE has a lot of micros which are P2C but still you can enjoy game purely free that doesn't change..

And some updates especially these with new story content after XX years were worth more than some online ARPG's with their paywalls or some single player ARPG of modern era and their DLC's

in past DLC meant a lot of content slightly lesser than original game.. Todays Games DLC's are fractions of these past times

[twilit mountain]

PoE's pricing structure has them on sale on a regular, consistent basis as well as giving you equal store points to your purchase of a pack of cosmetics that you can then use to purchase the tabs. And it has been this way for its whole lifespan.

[abstract karma]

and they are alive, how many online ARPG's can say that

well cross fingers for LE but i think i can see how modern era of players will react on such changes unfortunately especially with Krafton reputation
(whatever they have real power or decisions around game its still EAST not favourite company)

[fierce moth]

lol

[abstract karma]

that was fast..

such "Mordor" will increase with latest news rapidly

[fierce moth]

I'm sorry to see EHG giving players a chance to do some meme about taunting le...By announcements they posted.

Place the bomb underground then active that by themselves... Too ridiculous

[abstract karma]

but that group is also right by these memes..

There are tons of things which can go wrong with approach they trying to make with this upcoming expansion..

IT would be normal if this game would ne just pure singleplayer game..
Titan Quest and some others also brough with DLC's new classes
but
It doesnt work for online serviced APRG's

it just makes harder for fanbase to like game

[silent steeple]

Also, something about sorcerer being costlier than runemaster doesn't sit well with me

[mental talon]

The timing is actually hilarious.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/269210/eventcomments/690868131878423336

[abstract karma]

Hero Siege had this model for XX years if they cant make money ofc they will direct opposite..
That's common thing even in normal classic themepark MMORPG

[fierce moth]

Posted by Derrick. I doubt that.

[silent steeple]

Come now! He cant actually say "yes, it is p2w" 😂

[abstract karma]

Literally first same comments on forum

and they have right.. this is one of these tons things which can go work with this decision in ONLINE arpg

for SP why not

[stone anvil]

frankly prices look photoshopped and fake, and different prices for different masteries don't make sense a lot

[abstract karma]

welp i've bought LE in early access so hope i will try expansion and after probably decide if LE is worth to look up to or not

[abstract karma]

idk if this message is real or sarcasm - literally that post is tagged as "MEME"

[vagrant topaz]

Unfortunately I will agree with you here
Even if they try their best, newly Reworked /release masteries often sail ahead of the rest

[mental talon]

Yeah because it's a joke?

[stone anvil]

I hope so

[silent steeple]

They have to sail ahead. Its better for a new class/mastery to outperform and be nerfed than the other way around. And its even more important for that to happen if its paid class 😂

The question is, how long will it take to bring in the nerfs

[jade jackal]

EHG unfortunately has no tools to guarantee that

[stone anvil]

If new classes were bad than old ones, would you still buy it

[jade jackal]

if new classes are worse, i wouldn't wanna pay for them, that said, i wouldnt want to pay for them either way

[fierce moth]

I will pay for mtx only. I will not pay for any paid classes.

But I welcome EHG change my mind. Judd think his game isn't hard enough lol... Now he want to challenge himself with paid classes... All the best.

[stone anvil]

thanks for being honest ❤️

[silent steeple]

If i didnt have this game and learnt that classes or even one class is locked behind a paywall, i wouldn't even bother buying the game because im the kind of the gamer who would randomly decide to pick the game even after years and start a new play through. I want to have that kinda accessibility

[vagrant topaz]

They don't own a calculator unfortunately

[abstract karma]

its not like they hide classes behind paywalls only but whole content..
It just that ppl which buy base game will play it till get to "locked" content

[jade jackal]

They down own Frozen Sentinel

yet

[gilded elm]

I'll be blunt. Paid classes are a big yikes.

[jade jackal]

a calculator is very useless in LE. mechanics, documented or otherwise is king

[jade jackal]

What i can only assume, since EHG is good at splashing water over boiling oil with announcements and only coming back later after flames have consumed the playerbase, is that its a single pay ticket for the mechanic. maybe, idk

[vagrant topaz]

You know what I mean

When you get skill like Erasing Strike and Entangling Roots in the same game, there is a number problem

[jade jackal]

There's this bus ride meme with one dude looking at the open horizon and one at the mountain seeing nothing

i'd like to believe that only caring about if builds are fun to play is my side of looking at the horizon and enjoying the ride

[abstract karma]

i mean in current modern era of players and gaming developing from corporates

• who though that this would end for brighter tomorrow for them ?

[abstract karma]

You just remained me that Log Horizont 3 will be online service game from NcSoft >.>

[jade jackal]

We might be looking at the craziest outcome out of a flowchart that includes an option of not investing enough in cosmetics and transmogification in a videogame

[abstract karma]

that's forbbiden word - transmogification

[gilded elm]

Maybe they saw D4 "get away with it" with Spiritborn and Runewords being paywalled behind Vessel of Hatred and thought they could do the same.

[abstract karma]

welp D4 can get with anything when Where Winds Meet found idiots which paid for $40k Boat

[gilded elm]

I've been calling D4 out about it. I've consistently maintained that Spiritborn and Runewords are P2W since before VoH even launched.

I was laughed at and ridiculed for it (particularly in D4 Discord) because people at the time couldn't comprehend how an expansion was P2W.

Apparently D4 players didn't understand that locking a class and power mechanic behind a paywall while allowing those same players to play with base game players who didn't have access to those things, on the same servers, in the same parties, was P2W.

I've said it for D4, and I'll say it for LE. Locking classes and power behind a paywall is P2W and it's a huge red flag that should be called out.

[jade jackal]

Look, the current business model of live service ARPGs is a losing model

but im sure there are much more humane ways to handle it

one way to avoid it is to not make it a live service model, just release it as a seasonless single player experience and deliver updates when they are ready, like GD

add coop if you really must

[gilded elm]

Yeah if this wasn't a live service game, it would be a considerably different story.

[silent steeple]

But see thats the thing. Theres absolutely no need for every game to go down the live service route

[jade jackal]

This studio crushing treadmill is just what players expect at this point out of ARPGs

[gilded elm]

Last Epoch seems to have moved more base game units compared to Grim Dawn, but when you factor in employee wages and server costs, I bet Grim Dawn came out way ahead financially.

[jade jackal]

Crate is not intending on losing their approach

Its crazy that they took a whole different game as a side quest

which ive heard amazing things about, and will definitely try

[gilded elm]

The amount of quality coming out of Crate, and the number of people they're doing it with, is astounding.

[silent steeple]

Look at v-rising for example. Not really an arpg but still an amazing game and with every update only got better, with their latest expansion bringing in whole new area, a bunch of bosses and another hundred or so hours of gameplay(if started fresh). Not a live service game but did an amazing job which retains loyal and growing playerbase

[abstract karma]

i think you overvalue Crate a bit..

Reason for Grim Dawn still being in rather DLC's and updates than making properly new Sequel or Game is that last engine they used is basically titan quests..
They dont wanna risk engine upgrade or switch for new game

That's how it looks for me when i see their developing announcements

[twilit mountain]

But they're making a Grim Dawn 2

[gilded elm]

Remember that Grim Dawn only sold 60% as many base game units compared to Last Epoch, but they also did it with only 6-7 full time employees (EHG has ~100 employees on payroll? Not sure). None of GD's revenue went towards live service costs, either. Cloud hosting isn't cheap, I would know, I work for a "cheap" cloud hosting provider and we're constantly getting customers trying to escape from Amazon AWS, Google Cloud, Microsoft Azure due to how expensive they are (EHG uses one or some of these providers for server infrastructure and it isn't cheap).

[jade jackal]

yeah servers are giga-costly, especially these days

[abstract karma]

after how many years there is some promise ? I mean that period is just too big.. They were just afraid to risk.. Grimd dawn was by their last DLC's pretty much completed

[jade jackal]

for Crate? as long as it might take

even if its 7 years

[twilit mountain]

Can I get a translator in chat please?

[gilded elm]

Crate's reputation has earned them a "take as long as you need" allowance from the vast majority of their fans, including myself.

[jade jackal]

Crate sticks to the No Man's Sky way of making games. run a crew as slim as you need, pay them salaries, and update your product to the best of everyone's fair capabilities

[gilded elm]

You can see that with Fangs of Asterkarn, some fans are impatient, but the general tone is that everyone is still very much hyped and positive about it, despite the delays.

[jade jackal]

Don't take loans, don't over expand, never promise anything grandioze

[abstract karma]

Nah.. you No Man's Sky team saved their own asses to not threw game out of window but it was also their terrible decision to release game in such state in the first place

[gilded elm]

Yes, yes it was. I don't think anyone can say otherwise. But also, that's not really the important part about that. The important part is how they carried themselves post-release.

And to most people, that seems to matter more than the initial decision to release a game in a poor state.

[jade jackal]

Hello Games redeemed themselves 7 years ago

since then its only been an industry playbook on how to run a successful indie team

[silent steeple]

Nope. It was sony's call iirc

Yes, the poster boy did exaggerate a lot about the game and it was over hyped as hell but the ultimate call to release it in its state was sony's

[abstract karma]

Just saying that i wouldn't put Crate and No Man Sky team to same package..

From mine point of view Crate just prolonged sequel too much while they first game was pretty much in stable state.. it just some time from their DLC's releases

[jade jackal]

Sony offered tons of money for a publishing deal, which might be the most important lesson out of all of this

[gilded elm]

I'm not a spiteful consumer. I generally don't give companies the "benefit of the doubt" but actions mean a lot to me so if I see a company trying to own up to their mistakes and failures, then I hear them out and give them a chance and watch what they do.

I've had to do that a lot with LE recently.

[silent steeple]

Same. But also as a gamer, I try to support any company/publisher as long as they stick true to their philosophy. The moment they make any decision that goes against their own philosophy, I find it a lil difficult to trust them or continue to support them

[jade jackal]

at the end of the day, we choose with our wallets

[gilded elm]

I agree, and we're seeing the foundations of EHG's philosophies start to erode in their recent announcements and communications.

[silent steeple]

Exactly

If u cant respect your own art and see anything beyond monetary value, don't expect me to respect it. Sounds a lil harsh but thats how i feel

[gilded elm]

I genuinely like EHG, or what it was and I hate to see them in this position because they are creating something I care about. I want them to succeed and I understand they're in an impossible position to try and become profitable (aka sustainable). I don't know what the best course is for them... I just know I don't like the current course.

[jade jackal]

liking EHG is what makes this whole thing harder

[stone anvil]

I get more sad when I like something

[gilded elm]

Yeah, really wish I could be positive about EHG and the future of LE because I care about that. At the end of the day, EHG is a business and will live and die by the rules of business and they're rapidly approaching the point where they might lose mine.

There's obviously rage baiters just farming reactions out of people from this news. But most of the people active in this chat are reasonable, long-time fans expressing serious concern about the future of the game.

[stone anvil]

this is why we don't have emotes on general-chat rn

people like trolling and rage baiting

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I hate to see great people in the LE mod team being overwhelmed and stressed by this.

Both on Reddit and Discord

[candid sage]

we big chillin here. lol.

[gilded elm]

That's good, hope it's not taking a big toll. I respect you guys doing your thing.

[candid sage]

i only got called a shill like, twice. its pretty tame XD

[fierce moth]

I give up to read them

[candid sage]

nah. i dont let internet words bother me

[twilit mountain]

Vlad's getting dogpiled on Reddit atm

[candid sage]

ah, yeah. i dont touch reddit

i dont envy those that mod there

[gilded elm]

I saw that, Vlad doesn't deserve any of that :(

[twilit mountain]

Fr

Bro ain't even getting paid for this shit, cut him some slack

[junior oyster]

Wouldn't be surprised if people think he is ehg lol

[vagrant topaz]

I dont care at all

[gilded elm]

We love you Vlad ♥️

[vagrant topaz]

Bro is a rude twat and got TO for it

[fierce moth]

I love this channel so much and appreciate EHG provide this channel... It's an important way to build the community

[abstract karma]

why read 1 hour long paragraph when you can just sink to some game or different hobby

[vagrant topaz]

The rest is a toxic crap ^^

[twilit mountain]

Yeah ik, I just happen to like you and went up to bat

[gilded elm]

Reddit hive mind mentality is one of the reasons I just stopped using Reddit as much in the past few years.

[jade jackal]

I hope Frozen does

[junior oyster]

I only visit reddit at work and browse through it

[gilded elm]

It's so easy for someone to create drama on Reddit by omitting context like that guy did in the thread Vlad is getting hammered on.

[fierce moth]

I'm watching a video about how to build an career as an artist

[junior oyster]

I never chat though

I'm a lurker

[vagrant topaz]

I see that but dont spend your life force on that
I had some time to waste while cooking and the kid in the bath

[abstract karma]

isnt better than ban them just ignore them.. (i know reddit general rules) but this way you know Toxic becomes Radioactive toxic 😄

That's how it works in reddit, you do something which make more "heavy" reactions becames "havier".. It better just rot it off

[vagrant topaz]

I appreciate it though

[gilded elm]

Basically guy on Reddit tried to portray himself as a victim of censorship when in actuality he was a rage baiter.

And Vlad got criticized for censorship.

[vagrant topaz]

I just wanted to tell what really happen, show the truth
Got met with bad faith and toxicity

Its fine, I dont use reddit all that much ^^

[gilded elm]

Bad faith and Reddit, name a more iconic duo.

[abstract karma]

Find normal place in reddit is "heaven"..

80% of Time if you react on Haters, Baiters it makes worse.. Ussually best option is just downvote these idiots to make their message sink

[gilded elm]

Reddit communities are usually karma-driven hive-minds. Upvoted opinions carry weight and you kind of have to be proactive about combating misinformation and misrepresentation.

[desert jasper]

I'm not even going to bother checking general for a while tbh

[abstract karma]

Basically described also Streamers and Youtubers.. 😄

[candid sage]

smart

[twilit mountain]

It's pretty bad in there

[gilded elm]

Who would have thought off topic is the place where nuanced and civilized conversations can be had even with people who disagree with each other.

[desert jasper]

I did for a while
But I'm trying to chill, maybe have fun and it was just uhh
not worth it for me

[abstract karma]

yea really smart o.O

[twilit mountain]

We still have our moments

[placid yarrow]

I'm playing horizon forbidden west this game is lit, I ain't letting this distract me from killing robot leopards

[vagrant topaz]

I feel like its been like that for a while ^^

[abstract karma]

then you are surrely happy from upcoming next "sequel" of Horizon 😄

[gilded elm]

We do, there's plenty of turd-flinging we do to each other, but at the end of the day we still have infinitely more reasonable discourse with each other than #general or Reddit lol

[stone anvil]

I like seeing your profile picture pepeLove

[placid yarrow]

lmao

[silent steeple]

Btw what games have u bought or are planning to buy on current steam sale?

[neon sigil]

i need to work on that.

[placid yarrow]

They're making a third game?

dope

[abstract karma]

Nope.. that's dope on that

[desert jasper]

I'm grinding out challenges for the poe league
31 currently

[placid yarrow]

Horizon forbidden west, just got it today. It's been great so far

Have been waiting for it to go on sale

[gilded elm]

I remember wanting to try that, but didn't because I thought it required a PSN account (which I have, but don't want to use)

[candid sage]

amazing series of games

[silent steeple]

I was planning on buying that. Would u say a controller is absolute must for that game?

[placid yarrow]

Agreed I really enjoyed the first one

[placid yarrow]

Absolutely not

[abstract karma]

HORIZON STEEL FRONTIERS (sry caps just copied that) - its upcoming game in this franchise but tottally diferent vibe.. basically "online service game" so
you know - ugh

[placid yarrow]

I played the first and am playing the second on M&K

[placid yarrow]

aw man

Hopefully they keep the singleplayer series going

[stone anvil]

reading general chat for 30 seconds made me dizzy, let me have fun a little

[abstract karma]

I also wanted 3rd episode of this series though i think that wait i can't say a s.. it would be spoilers 😄

[twilit mountain]

Thanks! A friend of mine made it for me :)

She's also done a good amount of PoE fanart, I can go grab her forum link

[twilit mountain]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2868617/page/1
Been a little while since the thread was updated, but I'm pretty sure she entered something in one of the recent contests.

[plain swan]

okay. I have to ask as a non american.. Why is it called Football when most of the times it's carried by the players?

[twilit mountain]

I have no idea

[silent steeple]

No no. Football is football, u know..soccer. American football is what u are referring to and we don't question american methods

[gilded elm]

poggies

[vagrant topaz]

Total 0 ??

[abstract karma]

idk but in EU is soccer just Football and in mine league we actually dont have world for Soccer

[gilded elm]

Prime Visa card, I spent some reward points lol

[vagrant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/ghosts-gif-15907258359504655800

[plain swan]

I was asking about American since I stated "Non American"

[abstract karma]

4 TB with current gaming standards of bloat data hmm 20-35 Games most

[silent steeple]

Yup! We just don't question american methods

[abstract karma]

Always find it funny when i see some long lived series like Fry Cry to heavily expanse in needed GB space 😄

[gilded elm]

Got fed up with continuously running out of space on C:\ for my development-related work, mostly.

[abstract karma]

why its all called "local disk"

[silent steeple]

Okay kidding aside tho, from what i know about it, that game is an amalgamation of football(soccer) and rugby. But in stead of coming up with a new name, they just stuck with football

[stone anvil]

buying 1 big ssd
buying 5 small ssd

[gilded elm]

What do you mean? Those are just default disk names.

[abstract karma]

i mean i would renamed it for how to say sorting what which disk is mainly used for

[gilded elm]

Yeah but I do need one disk that is very big because I need lots of storage on C drive for all of my development-related libraries, container images etc.

I use D, E, F, G for my Steam library.

[fierce moth]

emmmmmm... Well. Maybe I'm the most poor one.

[abstract karma]

D - modern games
E - 2015-2018
F - 2008-2015
G - old school games with a few MB to GB

[gilded elm]

Nah, that's plenty for most people. I'm just unusual lol

[gilded elm]

Yeah, you're not far off. That is almost exactly it.

Games like BG3, PoE2, KCD2 etc are all on my D: drive.

[fierce moth]

lol Hersik is a true gamer... Respect

[plain swan]

aight. Understood.

[abstract karma]

lucky guess

[fierce moth]

Art assets/references/softwares are mixing with my games in a big disk

[gilded elm]

Speaking of football, this game is actually quite good

[abstract karma]

you could always divide it on two sectors

[fierce moth]

I still pretty new to games so I don't even sort all games into a file yet

[silent steeple]

Just in case u missed it :p

Okay kidding aside tho, from what i know about it, that game is an amalgamation of football(soccer) and rugby. But in stead of coming up with a new name, they just stuck with football

[gilded elm]

Steam makes it easy for you to choose where you install your games

[fierce moth]

Yes I choose E always

[jade jackal]

did we finally make it to football roguelites?

[fierce moth]

I never know you can play your storage with 5 mini disks lol

[sudden anchor]

very good song. reminds me of chrono trigger somehow

[gilded elm]

Not a roguelite/like! :)

I'm playing through the story mode atm, but I guess there's online competition too which I'm less interested in. Honestly it's a wholesome story with good soccer mechanics.

[plain swan]

lazy americans (jk jk) 🤣

[gilded elm]

Apparently it's a "gacha" type game where you are pulling for characters, but it's also just buy once with no in-app purchases so that part doesn't bother me.

I hate most English anime VO though, and this game is no exception. I instantly enabled Japanese VO and it's been amazing.

[twilit mountain]

Teehee

[abstract karma]

meanwhile me after 3 weeks thinking of taking break from PoE

[jade jackal]

i took a break too, somewhere around March lol

ever since

[fierce moth]

My break started from I realized channeling spell is a yike in endgame of poe

[gilded elm]

I gotta push my BALL x PIT NG+, wanna at least completely finish Fast 9 on base game and NG+

[placid yarrow]

Holy I just did a sidequest and it gave me 2 skill points when I only had 4 total so far

We're ramping

[desert jasper]

What are you playing now?

[twilit mountain]

Pulling together gear for PBOD

[desert jasper]

pbod?
peanut butter of death?

[twilit mountain]

Penance Brand of Dissipation

[desert jasper]

Yeah, it came to my mind right after I wrote that

[warped wren]

There's a few that work

But it needs gear

Or you go totems

Stormburst Totems are extremely solid. For self cast there is Incinerate of Venting but not cheap

[desert jasper]

She was trying to do Blight of contagion

[warped wren]

Rough

[desert jasper]

Especially when you try going CI with only 2k ES and no recovery or other defenses

[warped wren]

Idk why GGG likes to take a dump on selfcast unless you're Elementalist

[warped wren]

Yeah I recall that incident lol

[desert jasper]

Like sure, it's rough doing channeling spells
and you're probably better off doing something else
but yeah, sure you can do them

[mental talon]

Oh hell yeah what's this for/what're you playing?

Brand? Or something secret?

[desert jasper]

#📚┃off-topic message

penance brand of disspation

[mental talon]

Classic I cant read moment.

[desert jasper]

We are ARPG players
none of us can

[mental talon]

Nah that was a big Dentge for me

[twilit mountain]

Yeah as said, PBOD. I don't get to level it yet though, my partner wants to aurabot for me

[vagrant topaz]

How does it play ?

[mental talon]

If you need gear let me know assuming I havent sold most of my old shit

I still need to Mirror a body armor and shield and if I do (before PoE 2 0.4 comes out) you can have my stuff

[gilded elm]

It's fun, there's just a lot of story and non-soccer play before you get to the good/fun soccer stuff.

[twilit mountain]

I have clicked. So many times in the past two days. What isn't shown is the 9 35% effect RMR clusters to the side.

[mental talon]

Oh damn it Deias I wish I knew you were playing Herald Stack (I assume based on Astrolabe)

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, it looks funny

[mental talon]

I literally just sold these

I would have given you them

[twilit mountain]

Don't worry, I have plans to hate myself called Tailwind/Elusive boot crafting

[mental talon]

Oh like these

[warped wren]

This is probably a result of playing too much of the game, but I've come to despise playing inefficient builds for my first character. The game is MUCH more fun once you have money to blow on dumb shit, and it's easier to earn that money with a good and efficient build

[desert jasper]

Ah man
General is still going
at least it's change

[twilit mountain]

Yeah like those

[mental talon]

You know the Beastlock method? It saves so much currency if you do tbh

[twilit mountain]

Just without being 29% qual because I'm not rich enough to afford those bases

[twilit mountain]

I do, don't worry

[desert jasper]

I mean yeah, I agree with that
my league start was a poison wander
Oh boy did I regret that so much

I've never been a good wander player

[mental talon]

HELL YEAH

Oops my caps lock

[twilit mountain]

I keep trying to like wanders and I keep finding that unless it's mines I don't like wand skills

[warped wren]

Wanders are insane fun

I just wanted to do something different this league

[desert jasper]

The last time I played one (before this league) was poison power siphon with barrage support... Not sure if it still even works with barrage

[twilit mountain]

I made an okay int stack wander in a recent league and like. Sure it was strong. But I jsut didn't like the feel of the skill, I could never quite put my finger on the precise reasoning though

[desert jasper]

I've only twice tried doing stat stacking builds
And oh boy I can't craft

[mental talon]

But Deias if you need anything homie and I can help, hit me up

[twilit mountain]

My favorite crafting is just plain jane ES gear. Because it's stupidly easy and people still buy it for some reason.

[twilit mountain]

I will keep it in mind o7
I gotta get back into the ultimatum mines to farm up money to work on a shield and boots now. Gloves II'm just going to be really lazy.

[mental talon]

k if you dont finish shield before I mirror a new one you can have mine

[desert jasper]

I died in like 4 ultimatums in row today
Just... something instagibbing

[twilit mountain]

Sadeg. I got two government mandated deaths yesterday (I pulled too many non-ulti mobs into the ulti)

[mental talon]

Berek's explosion is so overkill I might genuinely just make a Cast Speed/Pen regular Wand and sell my Explodey one tbh

[twilit mountain]

Overkill and overpriced imho

[desert jasper]

Tbh only once I managed to catch those exploding crystals under my feet after I died
But that was after i died and they were still there

[mental talon]

Saves me 1 Mirror, I wont complain tbh

[twilit mountain]

I don't care how nice that double or triple explode clear feels, ain't worth 50+d in my eyes

[desert jasper]

At first I thought it was because of Beyond
but then I killed the beyond boss before doing the ulti

[twilit mountain]

Possible bad luck kicked in and smth phys gibbed you

[desert jasper]

Yeah, that could be

Ah well
I decided to leave them for a while
want to get the next lvl before I throw myself at them again

[twilit mountain]

I'm at a cool 97, could probably go to 100 on this if I reeeally felt like it

[junior oyster]

I'm 98 but still on my first toon

It's sooo slow exping

[twilit mountain]

The heiro is gonna disappear soon (I'm out of character slots again)

[junior oyster]

I decided I'm done playing as anything but witch

[desert jasper]

94 for me
I'm considering doing the grueling game grinds challenge
I'll soon have 2/4 of them
And then it's like
do I wanna do pinnacle bosses + mods on invitations
or do I wanna grind 100 argus LUL

[junior oyster]

It's like d2 for me all over again

Just playing necro in d2 😂

[desert jasper]

or I guess I could just pay someone to carry me through

Ah, so many choises

[abstract karma]

i have dps but no defence 😄

That's why i couldnt kill maven, sirus or uber elder/shaper.. (while these 2 are actually f.. easy even in uber mode)

[desert jasper]

I did kill Maven for the first time solo this league
never killed any of the ubers
apart from you know, uber elder

Really not a fan of memory game + the moving things in maven fight in last phase

[abstract karma]

Memory maps are only profitable maps you can get without need of heavy juicing which was nefrted this league

[desert jasper]

I kinda don't like memory maps tbh
I don't think they should have t17 mods when you can get super low tier ones as them

[junior oyster]

I just honestly hate the idea of 16.5s

It feels like at some point they'll bring out t18

[desert jasper]

Nah we jump to t20 instantly

[abstract karma]

me too but finding normal T14-16 map which has additional implicit stats like +% maps/scrabs/currncy is almost impossible otherwise
Either 17 or luck with these memory maps

[desert jasper]

I haven't even done a t17 this league

[junior oyster]

I've done a few but not worth the trouble if you don't juice them

[abstract karma]

^

[junior oyster]

Decent source of gold though

[desert jasper]

I could do them for the challenge that's uhh...

But then I'd still need to do one of the zana ones

Like sure, I could throw in 5 scarabs that don't really do anything unless I interact with the content

[junior oyster]

Yea 175 is not going to be doable for me I think