💬┃general

[compact dawn]

EU faces similar issues as well as far as i know.

[kindred aurora]

And what?

[compact dawn]

didn't say that, just stating a fact

[kindred aurora]

There are games that make a profit despite a bad economy

And if you dont

You close shop

[compact dawn]

not really arguing with you, just saying competition is tight

[radiant kiln]

hmm there's actually no point evidencing a country's economy as a reason for a game's lack of players, otherwise it would be something noticeable across all other games?

[kindred aurora]

I think even if there was a 1960s style economic boom, season 1 and 3 wouldn't have turned a profit

[compact dawn]

150k ccu is not a small amount of players, but it's about how much money the players have

[kindred aurora]

Torchlight infinite have peak 15k players, yet turn a profit

If the economy was truly that bad

How is that possible?

[compact dawn]

wasn't that inital sales? do they run a live service? (honestly asking, don't know)

[kindred aurora]

wow what is that question

Of course torchlight infnite is a live service

Its identical to LE cycles/poe seasons

[radiant kiln]

the real problem is their monetization system which themselves described as bad, not exactly the player count. for sure they are getting more aggressive with that going forward, if they decide to keep going that is

[kindred aurora]

and its an f2p game, there are no "initial sales"

[compact dawn]

ah, it's produced by china, they have a much lower cost of living, the profit margins can be much higher with smaller user bases

they probably have a larger Chinese market, they don't share the same servers normally

[kindred aurora]

If what you are saying is true

90% of the live service games would be dead

The problem is that the skins are very safe, they are simply not attractive in the slightest

Just look at the skins in tochlight/the first defendant

[compact dawn]

A lot of live service games now have clients for China, which is going thru their tech boom that the US had 2 decades ago

[kindred aurora]

Those are skins that make me want to buy them

They gotta make the skins a lot more attractive

Survive first, worry about pising off a tiny vocal minority later

[stoic frigate]

TLI has a massive playerbase in Asia, and a very large mobile playerbase, Steam players, especially in NA and EU, are a minority in that game

[compact dawn]

Looking at GGG's operating costs, 70m in 2024....

they have a 35% profit margin, which is very good....

next filing in December will be very interesting, can see how well PoE2 did...

[woven sentinel]

What's happening?

[compact dawn]

very little

[main frigate]

Nothing will happen really until EHG announce something so we can hold a new discussion

This server is recovering its wounds slowly

But their wounds are too much + the medical condition isn't good so the recover speed is slow

[sonic sinew]

guys i got credits to use in store and there is nothing looking good enough to put on

tbh i like diablo 4 season pass pay 10 bucks or whatever and u got goal to complete season pass besides killing abby and quiting playing.

[inner finch]

If you have epoch points and youre not interested in anything, its better to just save those

use em when better stuff shows up

[sonic sinew]

picked up helmet i like

[inner finch]

Its a good time to remind personal transmogification will go through changes

Its stuff EHG specifically mentioned working on

[sonic sinew]

that blue glowing one cause i like it thats it aha

[proud steppe]

hello guys i dont know if this has already said here but the new filter ingame anti-profanity is a total garbage

[silver wren]

hey do you have mods enabled

i want to remove idols and rename it to something else as I am a muslim and i must avoid shirk idolatry, i want the game to be more accessible to people like me and our household

There is an untapped market, if you remove idolatry from your video game, all the muslim world will begin to play it resulting in more sales. I know for sure that you will get so many more players from middle east because that is one reason why we dont play certain games, its the idolatry and blasphemous elements in video games more generally.

If I could just change it with a mod it would solve the problem

[proud steppe]

how you can implemented this thing ingame when the filter blacklist common langage english word

[brittle hollow]

Idolatry…

[night marten]

could you please put a report in game with the improper message and such. there has been a few reports of this recently

[silver wren]

it might not seem like a big deal to non religious folk but it stops islamic people in their tracks before they buy it

[night marten]

i dont know if anything changed on our end, so its kinda weird timing

[night marten]

this is more of a #suggestions thing, so the devs will actually see it

[silver wren]

even if someone bought it, they would stop playing it until they can remove the idolatrous aspects

ok thanks you

[proud steppe]

@night marteni will try but this was this morning and i have forgot but i use only english chat ( and not my native language ) so it will probably resurface but from what i remenber Hardcore is blacklisted, though i can understand why; but always using HC terms sometimes is boring

[night marten]

yeah just whenever it happens and you think it shouldnt, report it. i've seen like 4 people kinda randomly over the last day or so

idk if we did change something or its a weird bug or something. but if it happens and you think it shouldnt, report it. and then we can see what actually happened to flag it

[south moat]

No
Against the tos of the game.
you can mod the game if you play offline but they will not help you if you break your game and you aren't allowed to talk about it in here

[inner finch]

[stoic frigate]

I have tangible evidence of this not being a thing lol

[inner finch]

There's absolutely no flowchart where discussion about this turns out healthy lol

[stoic frigate]

Oh I know

[inner finch]

I would also like to ignite a fire in chat by saying Last Epoch includes tons and tons of games of chance (it is one giant game of chance), alcohol and alcohol related things our dear OP should have infinitely higher priority of avoiding

[night marten]

please dont make me be here today

[stoic frigate]

Hey man, you're the volunteer

[inner finch]

its ok

as long as mods are gone, users can go wild

[short vessel]

Big "harry potter is devil worship" energy...

[stoic frigate]

Ye olde anti-D&D era of the 90s

[inner finch]

This is why my draft of the true next generation ARPG has classes like Italian Chef

[short vessel]

Also... fairly certain the actual gods in the game themselves would be a bigger issue than the idols lul

[peak osprey]

now that you mention it, it's pretty strange that the traveler gets powers through idols dedicated to the same gods they've slain in combat before

I guess you have infinite timelines to choose from to make it work

(it kinda bothers me the timeline blessings are called blessings, who are you blessed by when you kill the abomination? but admittedly I have no idea for a more lore accurate name)

[inner finch]

For all we know, those might be blessed by Eterra's own powers

But this is a bit of a Diablo complex, yes, where some of your gear is based on powers and characters far weaker than you are

[peak osprey]

thats part of it, the other part is that you literally kill Majasa while carrying her idols, and they keep working all the same

[inner finch]

There are ways where this can work, technically

You are also handling a possessed version of her

[calm jay]

Idk the traveler seems a bit on that sort of omnipotent level. Kinda like how in WoW, Illidan tells new Demon Hunter characters that ||they also have an immortal soul like him||, honestly just assumed they were like. Wrestling their own blessings

Taking raw magic/power/macguffin and turning it into advantages, or blessings. I do kinda see the point about walking up, slapping Gods and then taking their idols like "thanks for the fire damage nerrrrrrrd"

Call Waterboy ||a washed up has-been|| and then thank his idols for empowering you

[night marten]

my only lore rebuttle to this is the traveler is only this powerful thanks to the epoch, which itself is a insanely powerful object (if you recall who its ACTUALLY from). these 'blessings' we acquire, are through the epoch itself, not the being we have beaten giving us something. this is why the epoch is on the 'blessing' window, we are taking their essence thru the void (much like the harbingers do to the timeline bosses)

also not all the idols are from the gods. we use plenty of 'heretical' weaver idols and that being is still very much alive. i think of these idols as small little deposits of w/e entity's power, and dont really ever fade and not direct links to their power.

[inner finch]

If anything, the idols seem like they were built by worshippers who empowered them

and not at all by any god

[night marten]

also possible

esp with Hartons idol quest

tho then i would question why they have power at all

ill see if i can get the loremasters attention

but i will def remember to ask next lore stream next season

[main frigate]

This is a calculator for damage type. You will get different results when you fight with different enemy type with the same type of skills. It's fun of this system, think which type of skills you use to deal with multiple enemy types. https://www.pkmn.help/offense/

Is it possible to find somewhere can combine damage type system with passive trees and skill trees?

Or current le's gameplay includes something as similar as damage type system already?

[thorny sapphire]

how do I avoid Egg of the Forgotten slamming the item I put in?

I hit replace, empower, and then later challenged a nemesis and it dropped a legendary instead of an LP1 item

[south moat]

You can't
It's rng
It first tries to give you LP but if it fails it gives affixes

[thorny sapphire]

is it better to empower the egg twice and then do a replace, if that's possible?

[south moat]

I personally do that since it can also give you exalted affixes on other items

[muted cape]

yes.

empowering the egg twice gives you higher opportunity of rolling lp, and increasing stats on the item naturally.

[south moat]

And yeah, that too

[south moat]

Good morning, Vlad

[willow sentinel]

@silver wren I saw your suggestion. It seems that you are not aware but modding, and modifying the game in any way is against TOS. So EHG will not help you mod the game. However they don't want to waste time and ressource fighting mods. But you are on your own.

[willow sentinel]

👋👋👋

[south moat]

Got any plans for the day?

[willow sentinel]

Getting ready for my final exam tomorrow

[south moat]

Ah, good luck mate

[main frigate]

good luck

[main frigate]

What I know is this server is under bad luck

[karmic prairie]

its not that serious, when your religion was created there were no video games even why would it care about couple names in it? 😅

[gleaming wind]

new season When ?

[south moat]

There has been no official news about it but probably in january.

[simple bison]

late dec-jan is the current estimate, no official date

[granite ruin]

Thanks to @carmine haven for reminding me to update this server to disallow random unwanted friend requests.

[copper sorrel]

why dont you like friends?

[granite ruin]

I don't like random requests from public servers by people I've literally never interacted with. It's 99% of the time some sort of scam.

[shut quiver]

Its one thing for that person to make such ridiculous claims but its altogether a different thing for u to believe that person. Chances are he could just be random internet troll calling himself of a particular religion just to start shit

[karmic prairie]

i mean i dont see anything wrong with my answer regardless if its troll or not

[shut quiver]

Theres an old saying on the internet that goes something along the lines of "don't feed the trolls"

[inner finch]

There are lots of layers of irony there, but peeling them might turn on the alarms

[night marten]

yeah

lets just move on considering the person isnt even here

[thorny sapphire]

thank you!

[simple orchid]

New circle in 2025 or 2026?

[south moat]

Probably in january.

[main frigate]

Unless EHG willing to sacrifice the Christmas, it will on Jan.

[simple orchid]

Nice

[inner finch]

That other dude is willing to sacrifice Christmas, but im sure EHG would wanna give their employees a well deserved rest

[main frigate]

Cool. Then I can enjoy Muffin well :)

[inner finch]

And since now EHG gets to decide when to start the season after GGG has set a date for a major update, im quite certain it will be at the very least W3 of Jan

[simple orchid]

I'll be on vacation 😎

[main frigate]

Anyways, I think many of them will start their holiday since today

[urban iron]

Anyone knows if there is there a new cycle on the horizon this year?

[south moat]

There hasn't been any official #news but I'd be willing to say it's in January.

[ornate urchin]

when does next season start?

[brittle hollow]

Read the message right above yours

[inner finch]

[woven sentinel]

2026

[sonic sinew]

@ornate urchin when its ready :D

[strange umbra]

good morning Travelers

[balmy arrow]

[night marten]

greetings

[honest belfry]

Eterra save us. You guys summoned the Muffin. WHAT DID YOU DO?!

[strange umbra]

[main frigate]

Maybe... This one

[main frigate]

つ ◕◕ ༽つ Summon 1.4 date and roadmap ༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ

[south moat]

Greetings Muffin & Wick

[distant flame]

Hey guys! I just started playing LE after so many years of poe and some diablo, do I miss out alot playing on eternal?

[south moat]

Legacy has all the same content as the seasons do
So you'll miss out on fresh start and fresh economy

[distant flame]

Oh cool, so its fine atm since I'm learning, tyvm!

[south moat]

Yeah, it's 100% fine

[glacial crow]

so because of the drama surrounding krafton i just noticed mixed reviews on steam (review bombing), that they cant recommend LE now, even though no development has even started "under their influence"... what madness is this?

[main frigate]

Wow another new traveller!

It's a good day

[glacial crow]

no im not "new", i got 500 hours into the game, i just joined the channel, nothing more

[inner finch]

Welcome to the Internet lol

If there's anything that has been proven in recent years, is that one small trigger causes quite the chain explosion

And pile-ons are common

[glacial crow]

i remember they did that to dr disrespect over a minor incident, and now he's the worst person ever and loses thousands of subs for just making one simple human mistake, as if we're so perfect

to be honest with you i really dont care about ai taking over. as long as i get to bash monsters and get loot i really dont care

[south moat]

oh, it's lysette again

[glacial crow]

??

[inner finch]

if it is, you're getting good at it

[glacial crow]

who the fk is lysette?

[carmine smelt]

"Minor incident" I see what you did there

[glacial crow]

a krafton shill?

[main frigate]

What Krafton want the most is profit from EHG after they invested a lot of money so they will not want to ruin EHG

[inner finch]

Frozen is a Microsoft Excel shill

[carmine smelt]

I use Google sheets wym

[inner finch]

traitor

[glacial crow]

i just got shocked because of the review bombing for something that hasnt even happened yet. the game hasnt changed overnight or anything

[shut quiver]

The last time I was on this server was when the news broke out and everyone only talked about krafton. I come back months later and its still the same topic being talked about

Only difference is I got to see a few rage baiters this time around

[inner finch]

There are a particular few users who, for some reason, go through the effort of creating new Discord accounts and returning here over and over

[carmine smelt]

Yeah it does seem like rage baiting. I think its just a small group of trolls feeding off whatever drama for shits and giggles.

[inner finch]

admittedly, i can't figure out why they go through this effort

[glacial crow]

just like with the review bombing thing, i wonder if those users are real steam players or bots

[carmine smelt]

Idk I'm sure some of it is real. People want to protest AI stuff, guessing those reddit threads encouraged a lot of people to do that

[inner finch]

The reviews are very real, most of them have between a few dozen hours of play, to a few hundreds, to some thousands

[carmine smelt]

Fair yea. It's probably in protest of Krafton then mostly, directed at EHG

[inner finch]

for the record, Im also 100% behind the reason to be frustrated at EHG being owned by a company that's proud to stomp on human creativity and staff wellbeing for the sake of profits

[glacial crow]

so is krafton like a tencent wannabe?

[carmine smelt]

Yeah thats fair and all, but as with most things there is a lot more nuance than that

Not all AI tools are just generating media

[inner finch]

The whole CEO admitting he wiped chatGPT chat logs about asking how to avoid payment sort of sealed and shipped it for me

if he can solve world hunger, i'd reconsider lol

[south moat]

Imagine putting something in chatGPT that's related to your business and thinking it's gone after you "wipe" the logs

[shut quiver]

Not trying to be a devil's advocate here but if Im running a business and if I have access to a tool that would reduce the amount of time, resources, money and man power on my side, I'd be a fool to not use it. I'd then wait and see how the compromised quality affects sales. People complaint, they always do but if they're still buying my product despite complaints then u know...

[inner finch]

Maybe he could have typed "how to make a 750 million dollar investment in a franchise that only ever made about 100 million in profits"

[carmine smelt]

Not to defend that, but I would hope executives pursue all angles. They will cut costs within the rules that bind them, I dont really see a problem with that, if we begin expecting companies to self regulate and be better than the rules that exist we will be really disappointed. We should hold them accountable for breaking rules and trying to change the rules to favor them imo

[inner finch]

My rule about LE is simple. The first glimpse of corporate driven enshittification and im out

[south moat]

Yeah but you shouldn't use 3rd party one then because that will leak. And they technically could use any code etc you put in there

[carmine smelt]

Idk im just beyond the point of expecting CEOs or whatever to just do the right thing out of the goodness of their heart

[turbid silo]

Good day all! How are we doing?

[inner finch]

Hi Derrick we were just discussing cakes, what's your favorite?

I love cheese cakes with lemon

[south moat]

Good day, Derrick
Mine is chocolate cake with some orange in it

[turbid silo]

Oh that is a tough one

Red velvet cheesecake or the black tie mouse cake from Olive Garden heh

[shut quiver]

Thats either an oversight or a business deal under wraps/wip or just whatever they wanna do. That wasn't the point I was trying to make. My point was in general regards with the whole AI issue in video games. People complain about how bad ai usage is/will be but they still buy the product tho. And thats enough for any company to continue using Ai. Sales.

Oh! Idk something something sweet

[south moat]

I should bake something for Christmas actually 🤔

[turbid silo]

I'm a huge cookie fan. Chocolate chip easy favorite.,

[south moat]

How huge cookies are we talking about?

[turbid silo]

Oh I meant like a big fan of them, not size lol

[south moat]

I know
I was making a joke

[turbid silo]

I like this place where I live called Insomnia Cookies

They have regular and deluxe versions and the deluxe is about twice the size

But I'll eat either 😄

[inner finch]

where i come from those might have very different ingredients...

[glacial crow]

i just checked them out, theyre from korea, and when a western venue signs their soul to the east, then i pretty much can tell where its going to go unfortunately, its what destroyed cryptic games and so many others. yeah im with you here.

i also noticed an inordinate amount of korean mmorpgs that try to nickle and dime to death lately as well

[main frigate]

I want to ask Derrick any tips for surviving in fps games, but this topic maybe too vague... I just know nothing and keep dying because I don't know how to dodge bullets.

emmm... Play games need some gift, I admit.

[obtuse bay]

meanwhile playing last epoch and we are not sweating

[willow sentinel]

We also had at least one good outcome with GGG and Tencent

[glacial crow]

maybe because tencent is not run by smooth brains, maybe they understand the balance between profitability and what players actually want. krafton is not tencent yet, theyre still in their diaper phase

[willow sentinel]

Indeed, but your sentence was very broad and generic.
It's not always a bad thing when western companies are getting acquired by eastern.
I do agree we can be concerned about what's coming.
Wait and see

[glacial crow]

guild wars is an example of western/eastern fusion done right, but its rare

[willow sentinel]

And to the Tencent is not run by smooth brain, not too long ago Tencent was "the big bad guy that was trying to squeeze money from every company it was acquiring", it would ruin every company it's buying etc...

[glacial crow]

its kind of like the rush hour movies, you have to know what youre doing to make it work

and if you dont know how to make it work its a disaster

tencent are brilliant, but that doesnt mean the rest are

[main frigate]

if you want to talk about le, this topic is what I want to know more. #💬┃general message

[obtuse bay]

you can use this https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

[main frigate]

I mean upgrades for gameplay, not the planner

[obtuse bay]

this is a suggestion then 😭

[main frigate]

Too rough as a suggestion. I don't even know what do I want to suggest

[buoyant turret]

owning a cat is the single best reason to not own a pc case with a top facing power button 🙄

[fair wing]

What do you mean? Its not your computer. It's your cats.

[buoyant turret]

heh music blaring hard focused in game only for the windows shutdown sequence to start and i look down and shes sitting right on the case. paw still holding down the power button as if to mock me

[thorny sapphire]

Idk Mercedes my cat hasn't done that

He's not a monster

[honest belfry]

Reasons why this happened:
Food had not been received in the last 30 minutes.
Scritches had not been received in the last 5 Minutes.
She was bored.
She wanted to.
You didn't want her too.
All of the above, simultaneously and it's your fault for not reading her mind 0.5 seconds before her impulses took over.

[thorny sapphire]

He's just stood in front of the monitor and caused me to die in game lol

[buoyant turret]

its like im a kid again and my mom just walked in and shut the nintendo off. i dont know how i feel about this

[honest belfry]

You know that actually works as the best analogy. Cats see humans as just big weird cats who can't hunt or take care of themselves.

[thorny sapphire]

My dad did that once when I was playing World of Warcraft. We didn't get along at that time lol

[distant flame]

Whats the best faction to pick up as a new player in the legacy realm or whatever? Merchants guild is active for trading?

[proud steppe]

@thorny sapphire same here when i was a lot more younger than now ( 45 yrs ) at that time my parent disconnect wifi when i was about to finish the labo of theobomos on Aion

for those who have play to aion the labo was about 6-7H for 100% clear in the vanilla before he get simplified ( almost the same thing in Poeta )

[honest belfry]

It depends on how you want to play. If you enjoy chasing your own loot, go Circle of Fortune. If you'd rather buy and Trade, go Merchant's Guild.

[distant flame]

Cool I'll start with fortune maybe

[proud steppe]

honnestly CoF is always the best

[thorny sapphire]

Legacy realm is a different ball game but personally I had no luck chasing my own loot and I still don't grasp the crafting system terribly well. I would've never gotten my build off the ground if not for merchant's guild

I do want to try CoF if only to max out rank with it

[inner finch]

CoF has a lot going for it in the way of a single player experience

[distant flame]

the trading in legacy realm is kinda meh or people play there?

[proud steppe]

legacy = NO interest at alll imo, season mode is atm ultra empty so i not imagine the emptiness of legacy

[thorny sapphire]

oh I have no idea. it also gives you the ability to gamble using the favor but CoF is probably better for single player

[distant flame]

got it so Cof it is xD

[proud steppe]

at the release of the game COF & merchant were almost equal but after the modifications of the 2 main faction cof is passed before merchant

yeah, It is subjective

[distant flame]

tnx

[south moat]

Oh that's super rough

[proud steppe]

but the main problem of the cof prophecy is that you will neeed a good loot filter because of the overwhelming drop

[thorny sapphire]

I use an aggressive loot filter because I hate looking at garbage loot. I'd rather miss items than see too many xD

[south moat]

I usually don't use a loot filter until I'm in monos and get annoyed at the amount of loot on screen

[thorny sapphire]

I think I used one while leveling too

I'm not crazy about items dropping that aren't usable by my class

[glacial crow]

youre not filtering out lysette, dont forget to add that to the loot filter

but could it be you dont want her filtered out?

thats a question only you can answer

[autumn briar]

here we go

[glacial crow]

im just sarcastically asking because i have no idea who the person even is

whenever i join a new platform i am playing allong with whatever antics are going on

[autumn briar]

both need a good loot filter. i'd say the mg loot filter is more annoying because you have to cater to 20 builds and you have to keep updating it when new builds are discovered

[proud steppe]

i dont use ultra strict loot filter because i play 3 classes

[honest belfry]

Stop asking about Lysette. It's not relevant to the conversation, or LE

[glacial crow]

its not unreasonable nub called me i was her alt account, and i seriously dont understand whats going on

[proud steppe]

atm i play only my paladin reflect HC and continu to look for better item for my nec & rogues

[glacial crow]

who the fk is lysette?!

[honest belfry]

An account that is no longer part of this server.

[glacial crow]

fine just dont accuse me anymore, im just here to weep about krafton

nowadays with all the weird ai technology i sometimes dont know if im talking to real ppl or programs

[glacial crow]

now you got me interested, is that an uber boss ive been missing out on?

its usually the drama queens that make for the best fiction

[woven sentinel]

Let's not go there. They have asked us to stop

[honest belfry]

They are already gone

[woven sentinel]

Oh lol

[stoic frigate]

You gotta talk about the ancient drama if you want to be safe. Like Sam "Look What You Took From Me" Joko

[strong echo]

If it was not made for sitting, why is it made of warm?

[buoyant turret]

two 140mm fans exhausting hot air and a bluetooth antenna to chew on. Petco couldnt make a better perch

[thorny sapphire]

I'll have you know that I bought all the parts and assembled this cat warmer. This cat warmer is not a prebuilt.

[woven sentinel]

But cats do love to sit right on top lol

Mine does all time but she gets right close to the power button lol

[tawny spire]

I see a sin valentine - the ultra uber murderer

[thorny sapphire]

I have the actual desktop beneath a corner desk so his little cat head would bump the desk if he sat on top of it. He does perch on the desk though where the warmth from the desktop travels upwards 🙂

[woven sentinel]

Is that my sodaprime?

[tawny spire]

yeeeee baby

[woven sentinel]

My god Ur even better looking than how U told me lol

[tawny spire]

ROFLMAO

[inner finch]

For the record, this is like the 4th time, and every time users were correct about it. This one also left. we had a few shared servers - it left them all.

4 for 4

[thorny sapphire]

😏

[woven sentinel]

So soda. U killed Uber solo yet?

[tawny spire]

with the bear you made me yea, no where near as good as you. Trying to remake the build on my CoF

[woven sentinel]

Hehe , lots are trying to copy my bear

Wait until they realise it's literally only set up for Uber. I can't do shit in corruption with it haha 😂😂😂😂

[tawny spire]

well I ended up getting way more minion dmg than you, however, I realized to late that it was the crit multi that did th burst dmg

sooooo back to the drawing board lol

[woven sentinel]

Lmao 🤣

Well it's finally good to see you on here bro

I'm gonna shoot as gotta be up in 6hrs for work oof. . Hopefully be on after work if not I'll deffo be around on discord

[night marten]

We are aware of the current state of things, promise

[tawny spire]

have fun sin

HAWKMAN!!!!

[night marten]

Howdy

[cobalt fable]

averielle is still here?

she was a fun mod

[inner finch]

Yes she was. Her contract was over and she had to leave

[cobalt fable]

ok ty

[tawny spire]

how you been brotha

[night marten]

Just chillin. Gettin ready for winter

[kindred aurora]

Another dead Krafton game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFTnZBfgSOk

Hope its not a sign of things to come

These guys sure have a reputation

[brittle hollow]

But this is not that dead game’s discord.. or Krafton discord..

[calm jay]

Always important to look at where a project was. Some things are scuttled before these big names get anywhere near em, then get pinned with the crime when they were just cleanup detail. Not that I wanna absolve Krafton, but

in my adult due diligences

[compact dawn]

Krafton is the publisher, Effectively they are the money man, with very minor input in regards to game design generally. The failures of games under them isn't nessessarly the fault of Krafton. While they can "kill" games, you will find that many games fail due to failures of management in the studio's themselves. Krafton spun off of Bluehole (PUBG) as a holding company after all.

Not really defending them. I'm very neutral to the idea of publishers in general. I just don't automatically doom/gloom over them. At the end of the day, the only one who wants EHG to succeed more then anyone else is Krafton, because it's their millions that's on the line.

[stoic frigate]

Krafton isn't the publisher though dude. EHG is the publisher. Krafton owns EHG. They didn't sell them publishing rights, they sold them the company.

[compact dawn]

Just like GGG is owned by Tencent, Tencent doesn't run GGG however they are acting as publisher

[stoic frigate]

Tencent isn't acting as- you know what, nevermind. You're right, uh huh, yup. They're acting as a publisher by doing 0% of what a publisher does. Sure.

[compact dawn]

Krafton isn't running the studio most likely, They bought them, and are expecting EHG to run the show.

Tencent is acting as publisher, why do you think GGG made PoE2? Tencent gave them the money to do that.

[buoyant turret]

they own 100% of ggg they arent giving money to anybody its their asset

[compact dawn]

It was the deal that was struck, to make PoE2

just because a publisher owns a studio it doesn't mean they are in direct control of the day to day of that company. A LOT of studio's are owned by publishers, but don't list games as being made by the publisher.

Developer and publisher are very distinct terms for a reason. Developers make the game, publishers figure out how to market it (and often fund)

[buoyant turret]

as long is there is progression and not regression or complete overhauls i dont care who owns or runs it

[proud steppe]

not sure, when a publisher vampire buy popular developer studio by injecting mass money the result is always the same Profit and Pressure on the studio

and there are a lot of exemple ( Gameforge is a far worse case they have killed a lot of studio )

[main frigate]

Sounds pretty ridiculous hhhhh

Plus don't understand the meow language

Cats see humans as just big weird cats who can't hunt or take care of themselves, and don't understand the meow language 💯

[carmine smelt]

Rule 7 - English Only, there is an unofficial BR LE community though with over 1000 members

[south moat]

But cats know you provide food for them and if they have problems they'll seek your attention

[woven sentinel]

Eurgh don't wanna go to work

[south moat]

you got to

[obtuse bay]

hello 👋

[main frigate]

she's good at provide emotional support, it's what I missed the most.

Never can find it back from another people because they're not Ave.

😭 💔 Sorry. Still hard to accept.

[simple bison]

Krafton is not LE's publisher currently

Just because they publish games and they own EHG doesn't automatically make them EHG's publisher

[compact dawn]

Fair enough, though I wouldn't be shocked if they became the publisher, at least for the console versions.

[simple bison]

Me neither

They likely are the publisher for the playstation version considering EHG have stated the acquisition is basically what made it possible

[main frigate]

? Past news showed someone want to become their publisher.

[simple bison]

Yes but they declined

That was likely before 1.0

[main frigate]

...emmmm I mean news on this month. I forget who

[simple bison]

I know what you're talking about

that was in the past

They just only talked about it recently, but it didn't happen recently

[main frigate]

Diablo co-creator and Skystone Games president David Brevik. Yes.

[simple bison]

yep

[main frigate]

emmmm I forget what's skystone games too

hellcard. Yes.

[spice oar]

Hello, is there any information about how long this league will last and when the next one is?

[night hare]

No. Best estimate is some time in January

[cobalt fable]

good, because they dont do anything good

[tropic crown]

is this game 2d?

[buoyant turret]

yep top down typical arpg

[south moat]

The game is not 2d

[buoyant turret]

isometric 3d whatever you want to call it

[polar ravine]

Hey, any news about when the new season?

[buoyant turret]

jan maybe nothing official

[south moat]

Yeah, it'll be in the #news when there's something

[shut quiver]

Nvm my previous msg..i just realised I could just scroll

[tropic crown]

maybe isometric 4d since you can move through time too?

[buoyant turret]

flux capacitor engaged

[tropic crown]

oh wait its 5d since there are different timelines too

damn this game is deep

[stoic frigate]

5D Chess With Multiverse Time Travel coded

[buoyant turret]

wait till the next act theres a psychologist npc that tells you all your previous choices were bad and you need to jump in your memories to fix them

[tropic crown]

you can checkmate with just the king in that variant

so what's the 6d?

is that just a normal dice?

loaded dice

/roll sides d100

where is my gambling npc bot

[inner finch]

inside Last Epoch

[tropic crown]

is that how i make last epoch inside?

[inner finch]

You need to find the first epoch first

[median wind]

hiiii

[inner finch]

uh oh

[median wind]

I'm bored

[inner finch]

Discord marked you as a spammer

[south moat]

I see

[carmine smelt]

This feels too much like real life, I can't

[median wind]

YESSS DISCORD SUCKS

[buoyant turret]

the inception is real

[woven sentinel]

Where's my lover soda

[obtuse bay]

here's your dr pepper, sir

[woven sentinel]

Lmao hey vulj

[obtuse bay]

jello hello 👋

[woven sentinel]

How's it going

[obtuse bay]

trying to finish longest zombie game, and checking whats people doing for thanksgiving lol

best I can offer is deserts

I am not a cook

how about you

[calm zodiac]

its 17d

[obtuse bay]

OMG

ROADMAP

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY

LFG!!!

SEEN IT

[night marten]

neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeews!

[mystic dew]

...First...expansion? What were all the updates so far, then?

[simple bison]

It's here lul

[simple bison]

seasons

[obtuse bay]

@main frigate @woven sentinel WAKE UP, WE HAVE ROADMAP

[night marten]

FREE EXPAC

[hollow fossil]

Bringing anything to a family gathering is something you should be proud of. A lot of lazy people who won't even try - just do what you can

[simple bison]

it do be free

[jade oxide]

…paid dlcs

[strong cedar]

Alguem do servidor America do sul?

[simple bison]

It's free

[granite kindle]

Wait paid dlcs ? 💀

Wait I'm confused paid or not 💀

[mystic dew]

Nope - FREE DLCs!

[granite kindle]

Fuk yeaaaaa

[ocean idol]

Just read the post

[pine yarrow]

"The one we’ve heard the most is simple: “Will the Last Epoch: Orobyss expansion be free for existing players?” The answer is Yes."
Brother can ppl read

[willow sentinel]

Lets GO !!!!

[pine yarrow]

holy

[night marten]

ew, locking classes behind a paywall

[granite kindle]

LOGIN

[balmy arrow]

[mystic dew]

The devs have been very clear on this - you buy the game, you get all the things for free except for costumes and stuff.

[night marten]

a little further down it says some paradox classes are paid dlc

[jade oxide]

what part of this is free

We’re calling this new category Paradox Classes, and the first one will debut alongside the upcoming expansion as paid DLC for players who want to explore new playstyles.

[ember frigate]

yea its jover bye bye LE

[sudden palm]

eh, so the new class is b2p?

[obtuse bay]

derrick dropped a bomb!!

[young peak]

So, expansion is "free" but you have to pay to play the classes?

[simple bison]

The expansion is free

[graceful jungle]

keep reading

Paradox Classes, and the first one will debut alongside the upcoming expansion as paid DLC

[ocean idol]

The part that isn't that, which is everything else

[unkempt sphinx]

paid dlc, big L

[rocky niche]

[half dawn]

just jumped back into the game.. wish i could join one of the guilds ASAP when starting off

[kind harbor]

new expansion for LE? Well... how about no, I will just buy new expansion for GD

[calm zodiac]

Wtf I think of the discord and suddenly some news get posted

[granite kindle]

Oh. So the new classes are not free ?

[graceful jungle]

paid classes 💀💀💀

[granite kindle]

[past torrent]

lol bruh that roadmap has so close to 0 info on it

[ocean idol]

It's a free expansion with totally new paid classes in a new system

[simple bison]

Correct

[graceful jungle]

when there are unfinished classes already 💀💀💀

[sudden palm]

ikr paid classes and PoE 2 is getting druid for free in 0.4

[night marten]

ok, 2 seasons before xpac. so late 2026ish

[ember frigate]

its so jover

[drowsy hound]

Oh i forgot about this game

[ripe stone]

🤡

[whole dust]

poe 2 won

[proper iron]

the roadmap literally just says theres a season 4 and season 5 then a dlc like what was the point of even making the roadmap

[silk compass]

the day has arrived

[simple bison]

There aren't? all classes have their 3 masteries

[scarlet dock]

Free expansion! What's in the expansion? A new class you have to pay for 🙂

[plucky crescent]

paid classes yikes

[vocal sonnet]

so basically no new content until expansion but season power seasons

[half dawn]

i dont think the alternate classes are paid. i think its just bad wording

[rocky niche]

I think the classes come with the Orobyss DLC no?

[balmy arrow]

lmao

[round lake]

So instead of great skins they force us to pay for dlc. Rip.

[silver bobcat]

It’s over paying for this game while Poe 1 and Poe 2 exist

[plucky crescent]

, and the first one will debut alongside the upcoming expansion as paid DLC

Sure

[kind harbor]

in their broken and unbalanced state

[cobalt fable]

free exp, paid dlc, krafton ladies and gentlemen

[unkempt sphinx]

tencent wana kill LE i think

[pine yarrow]

Making that classes paid is
A decision

[ocean idol]

No that's what's outside of the expansion. Idk why they put them in the same paragraph, clearly it's Season 4 -> Season 5 -> Expansion + Paid DLC classes

[night marten]

oh. well. that was a quick read. rip

[half dawn]

oh gross

buying classes

[silver bobcat]

Was a good run lag epoch devs good bye

[silk compass]

krafton moment...

[granite kindle]

Damn krafton gg this game.

[dry hemlock]

paid DLC

[round lake]

Krafton shhh.. next: classes and content made by ai

[granite kindle]

Can I refund 💀

[final totem]

worst type of stuff... new class locked behind a paywall..

[dry hemlock]

promise broken

[dim jungle]

paid class

[obtuse bay]

I wanted more details lol

[dim jungle]

LOL

[dry hemlock]

goodbye

[dim jungle]

go fck urself

[tawdry spade]

paid classes huh

[karmic prairie]

and the first one will debut alongside the upcoming expansion as paid DLC for players who want to explore new playstyles
and the first one will debut alongside the upcoming expansion as paid DLC for players who want to explore new playstyles
and the first one will debut alongside the upcoming expansion as paid DLC for players who want to explore new playstyles
🤔 hmmmmm

[dry hemlock]

thanks for lying to the playerbase for years, hope the $96 million was worth it

[golden shell]

time to see them walk back on the first being free after this backlash

[inner sand]

the new class thing sounds interesting.

[night marten]

bruh, same. the only real info we got in kinda when the xpac is coming. after s5. so like next winterish. and paid dlc classes.

[granite kindle]

Will steam let us refund ? This game is costly in my country . Should've bought poe2 async trade stashes

[zinc rock]

so they plan to sell us new classes as a paid DLC each?

[ocean idol]

Finally paying for further development of a game after playing continuously developed content for years, I'm fine with this

[sonic warren]

bad. me angy.

[calm zodiac]

Lol y'all are really damn broke lol

[past adder]

I will buy the class i love the game 💖

[azure peak]

Classic cope

[limpid bluff]

Not about being broke

[copper sorrel]

They need money or no game at all will exist except offline

[limpid bluff]

This is a joke

[haughty lake]

each season barely any content and still asking for cash to play new classes 💀

[obtuse prawn]

These guys, let them come out with the season stop the endless crying already

[hearty forum]

hmmm ... paradox classes....

[inner sand]

this. plus the new class isn't required to play the game

[errant verge]

Ooof

[proven glen]

paradox classes sounds like something an AI would come up with.

[errant verge]

Paid dlc class

[tawdry spade]

luckily there are a lot of great arpgs on the market that don't nickel and dime their playerbase

[round lake]

Steam not. But your country should. Head to customer right authority if you bought early when was promised free all

[obtuse prawn]

Sounds like your mom

[errant verge]

That’s tough

[sand cosmos]

first AI expansion

[final totem]

people out here eating D and telling themselves it's a hotdog trying to cope hard

[half wind]

season 4 early 2026, jesus christ I wonder if they will keep anything they say after "we want to have a proper season cycle" lmao

[calm zodiac]

Nah fr, I'm broke, but like complaining about paying 5-10$ while getting the expansion for free, like, my god

[azure peak]

Also the dlc isn't going to be out for two years yet

[karmic prairie]

KRAFTONN POWER SLOP CLASSES $$$ 🤑 💰 KRAFTONN POWER SLOP CLASSES $$$ 🤑 💰 KRAFTONN POWER SLOP CLASSES $$$ 🤑 💰

[granite kindle]

I'm glad fitgirl is here. I won't need to buy the classes

[inner sand]

they literally wrote they are doing things to increase quality during seasons and then will speed up time between

[trim island]

This a yikes from me dog

[blazing coral]

If their mtx wasn’t ugly af they might have made some

[obtuse prawn]

This discord is so toxic, such babies holy crap

[unreal knot]

Put a nail in it, it’s over lol. It was a fun run for LE

[inner sand]

poe's more toxic. lol

[silk compass]

waaaa

[karmic prairie]

who will bet that paid classes will be the most op ones

🙂

[sonic warren]

so made the expansion itself free but took the class, separated it and made it paid still.

[night marten]

as a reminder chat, do try to be respectful. you can be upset and disappointed without being rude

[errant verge]

This whole read was a yikes from me lol

[granite kindle]

Yea I will ask steam suppor that they promised free dlcs except cosmetics and now we get this paid dlc 🤣 what a corporate take over

[round lake]

They are like one punch man s3 era - instead of great work with skins. Doing one coin skins and expecting money so charge us and broke promised

[inner sand]

and gain what advantage? it's a pve game

[graceful jungle]

are you sure about that fam? because shaman only has 4 spells

[muted estuary]

that's literally a problem, I have free store credits, but there are no nice looking mtx

[errant verge]

I wish things were better this feels like a race to the bottom

[trim island]

Oh no people are calling out anticonsumerism! Better call them babies!

[pine yarrow]

Im fine with paid content
As long as it's not at game price

[round lake]

Steam dont care. Only consumer authority in your country

[vocal hull]

I'm paying $10 for a class to beat Uber first settle down brokies 💅🏻💅🏻

[stoic quail]

Paid classes now? Unsubscribe

[granite kindle]

I mean it would probably be still balanced but the game promised new stuffs to be free out of cosmetics

[eager iron]

Hahaha paid classes. RIP. Game is already years behind poe and now it’s killing itself . What a joke

[zinc rock]

Id rather pay for more stash tabs lol

[calm zodiac]

Y'all need to apply for jobs my god lol

[jade oxide]

the roadmap is barebones and mostly a nothing burger, sure expansion is free and thats nice, paid classes isnt a new thing but kind of foreboding given the game is still pretty open ended and incomplete right now, especially with its story

[magic moth]

YOOO HYPE NEW CLASSES GET MY MONEY

[hearty forum]

Its game breaking lack of novel diversity.

[devout pawn]

I didn't even play last update because I knew krafton would screw it up, paid classes lmao glad I didn't invest more in the game tbh

[simple bison]

There's no number of skills for each mastery that needs to be reached, they've stated this since ages ago. And this doesn't mean they'll just stop balancing and adding to previous classes

[errant verge]

lol does this imply that the new masteries will be all paid? Like oops new blade dancer skill? Paid

[granite kindle]

Steam does allow this tbh

[woven sentinel]

I just Seen YAYYYYYYYYY

[ocean idol]

Wow such an anticonsumerism thing to announce 2 more free seasons and a free expansion and then finally extra optional paid dlc classes when everyone's already buying dlc's for every other game

[proper vault]

feeling a little wolceny after this accouncement lol

[ripe stone]

Crazy to announce paid classes when hero siege announced their paid classes will be transitioning to free

[round lake]

I will to pay 400$ on good skin. Not 10$ on paid class

[cobalt ermine]

one fvcking year lollllllllll

[cobalt fable]

that was the definitive kick in the balls

[inner sand]

how does it break the game when the game's pve?

[radiant kiln]

honestly, how do people expect the devs to make money? cause they ain't getting it from skins. its pretty obvious something like this was coming and it should, since they'd already stated the game was barely profitable

[calm zodiac]

Hell no, I'm sure if I buy all characters they release it'll be cheaper then what I used for stashtabs in poe2

[hearty forum]

read words.

[jade oxide]

the second half of the post is a job recruitment ad

[calm zodiac]

We're in 2025, it's already normal

[trim island]

On a game that initially promised otherwise? Yes that's anticonsumerist

[junior elm]

Jeeez, just give YouTubers 24h and they will destroy this game for such decisions as paid classes

[inner sand]

I did and that's why I asked the question

[pure dawn]

Yo wtf paid classes?

[granite kindle]

Poe1 and poe2 don't ask you to buy druid when it have 7 classes already

[errant verge]

The tough thing too is accountability- if you won’t keep stuff to 4 months then don’t say you will

[candid kayak]

Make really cool cosmetics that people want to buy.

[zinc rock]

Same. Even a paid expansion - a real one with shitton of content would be more reasonable in my eyes.

[ember frigate]

make better and more cosmetics duh

[fierce swift]

sad

[sudden palm]

will the new "expansion" have another free sentinel rework? 🥹

[eager iron]

Lol get off your knees and STFU

[cursive mortar]

Will AI be used in those new classes?💀

[round lake]

Because tyey do shhh skins... Fire skin guys and employee someone who can create them quality?

[silk compass]

PUBG nightmare is back

[uneven falcon]

they could release constant seasons, create good mtx and other microtransactions that make us want to pay similar to another arpg

[magic moth]

Yes!

[inner sand]

what happened?

[copper sorrel]

Where did they promise that? I want to take a look

[hybrid wagon]

the borderlands approach is pretty good in my opinion

[silk compass]

kraften happened

[inner sand]

oh

[ocean idol]

I'd rather choose to buy druid if I like it than buy stash tabs and characters to play any classes

[fossil thicket]

New "roadmap" is not giving anything new 😄

[granite kindle]

That whats they said bruh

[fallow sleet]

I'm just here to see what overreactions we're getting this time.

[woven sentinel]

Jesus Christ chat is POPPING OFF holy damn

[trim island]

F2P games can make money just fine with cosmetics, this is a game people are already paying upfront for

[ashen chasm]

i dont know about paid classes, krafton is bearing its fangs already

[eager iron]

They’ve been saying that since the beginning

[fathom carbon]

It didnt take long

[errant verge]

The roadmap is paid class and sit tight

[dim jungle]

? you only pay for stash space

for a free game

this game already costs 45 fcking dollars

[woven sentinel]

I like this game so I would support that tbh.

[devout pawn]

Lmao so true, they announced it as something to be hyped for hahaha

[tight sigil]

that was the big roadmap that took months to make? season 4 and 5 than an expansion. 0 details

[wary spear]

"it's gonna be free" "you need to pay for paradox classes" GG, Last epoch shot themselves in the foot

[jade oxide]

my issue with that is that id rather they at least have a completed base game (story) first before they do this

[karmic prairie]

p2w KRAFTON CLASSES, new SPIRITBORN EHG edition 🥵 🤑 p2w KRAFTON CLASSES, new SPIRITBORN EHG edition 🥵 🤑 p2w KRAFTON CLASSES, new SPIRITBORN EHG edition 🥵 🤑 cant wait

[calm zodiac]

They literally announced that the dlc is free and ppl are focusing on paid classes that they may not even like lol

[zinc rock]

Actually, I would like to understand what is an expansion, what is a paradox class, what price are they thinking, are they planning to sell each class as a standalone dlc?

[devout pawn]

I'm not spending a dime on this game ever again personally

[formal star]

Can't say I agree with the paid class decision, hopefully this doesn't come back to bite them or they find a way to reverse on it.

[magic moth]

People realy want EHG to make the game bigger for free

[ocean idol]

and I'd rather play it over the free game that I think is worse Idk that's like acting like every game that isn't HK/Silksong should be boycotted cuz Team Cherry released 5 free dlcs and a huge game for $10-20

[late idol]

Paid DLC for classes when you compete against POE? Nice try lmao

[wary spear]

Making classes paid is insane for how the game had been progressing lol

[tropic panther]

a lot of people upset about paid classes but go out and spend $100 a week on fast food

[hybrid wagon]

true but that should be coming anyway. better than locking the story behind money

[granite kindle]

Rip subnautica and now this game. Don't touch krafton games

[silver shale]

*They said the dlc is free for people who own the game before the dlc launches

[late idol]

Dead game, enjoy the copium

[young timber]

deciding to do paid classes over paid dlc is certainly a decision. a stupid one, but it is a decision

[dim jungle]

????? what type of argument is this

[calm zodiac]

We don't know any details, the brokies are just mad lol

[ashen chasm]

i also want to support, i bought the support packs and mtx because i genuinely liked the game, but its whats being locked behind paid dlc

[copper sorrel]

Ok and how would you make your case to steam? Just saying "ehg said there will be no paid dlc and now there is. I want my money back"?

[errant verge]

The paid classes sucks more because of the constant stating new masteries and classes are a long way off

[round lake]

Single skin will outsell entire dlc purchases which is proven by industry even for single player games.

But they do shhh skins, with metal bends like plastic on moving parts and looking like fortnite from og era instead of immersion.

Give us just goood skins and we will support you.

[calm zodiac]

So it's going to be free for you, what's the issue?

[errant verge]

New stuff is only a long way off if you don’t swipe

[radiant kiln]

yeah these people think the devs are being paid from the 20 bucks they spent 2 years ago lmao

[magic moth]

Guys guys there is uninstall button in steam and you can even leave this discord server. FOR FREE 🔥

[jade oxide]

yeah, but either way this is the current state of the game we have and then they announce paid dlc on the horizon, not a good look at the least

[sudden palm]

only 1.6k players and they announce paid classes can't wait for PoE 2 Dec 12th

[pure dawn]

“People be spending money on food instead of fake pixels” is not the argument you think it is man 😂😂😂

[ocean idol]

Frankly it makes more sense that this is the only way to make them actually happen?

[silver shale]

I am not everyone
It's way harder to recommend a game to someone when they have to also buy 7 different expansions to play the game

[granite kindle]

Brokies here brokies there. When poe2 and poe1 is ur biggest competitor lmao. Goodluck playing ur diablo 4

[unreal knot]

The whole point of an ARPG is to play the new stuff, it’s not free if they are charging for the new classes to play

[unkempt sphinx]

LE was always mid at best. It felt like it needed a bit more work to be up there. Now with adding class dlc in todays age, is great way to kill your remaining playerbase before it even gets there, or as it happens. GL EHG team.

[spice cobalt]

Today on "I checked into this chat after a notification knowing I'll regret it and I was right"

[calm zodiac]

I'm fine paying 5-10$ for a class I like, it's not like I need to buy every single class.

[half dawn]

They said that the expansion is free, but the paid DLC is for classes. They are two separate things. Have to buy the class.

[woven sentinel]

Nothing I don't think. Just additional characters to play with. And tbh I like this game a lot I will spend £50 for it.

[errant verge]

I’d rather pay for an expansion then a class or have them bundled together

[jade oxide]

though the overreaction to people not reading the whole thing is 🤡

[devout pawn]

Also once started getting money for new classes why would they ever again improve or update the free ones when a brand new one would make money, rip last epoch it was nice while it lasted

[white lake]

paid new characters is a fuking choice fp lmao this is not going to go well, what are they thinking? disaster to disaster and people need to start questing who is directing these decisions. holy

[tropic panther]

when you are spending $40 at mcdonalds for 1 hamburger and a medium fry when you can buy food at the store for alot less. Says alot just don't be lazy 1 day and cook at home and pay for the class.

[fallow sleet]

I wonder why these salty people keep coming back every announcement.

[pearl orbit]

Guys, LE is becoming almost half as expensive as POE after stash tabs, clearly jump ship right now /s

[pure dawn]

I’ve always said this, I’ll say it again.
Paid content will split the playerbase and kill the game

[dim jungle]

paid new class guarantee its going to be overpowered as shit compared to what already exists

[calm zodiac]

They said the expansion will be included in an updated purchase of the game, just chill.

[round lake]

Single skin will outsell entire dlc purchases which is proven by industry even for single player games.

But they do shhh skins, with metal bends like plastic on moving parts and looking like fortnite from og era instead of immersion.

one skin can outsell dlc by over 10 000%

[arctic bison]

lmao people be like "I refuse to pay a single dollar for that game that I deeply enjoy"

[fallow sleet]

Like shouldn't you have quit long ago?

[magic vector]

🤡 Paid class 🤡

[woven sentinel]

Did U pay for vessel of hatred in diablo 4?

[main frigate]

which influence will they bring?

[magic vector]

New paid class is actually clown

[stoic frigate]

Paid DLC. RIP. Thanks for the 2k-ish hours.

[ashen chasm]

people already bought the game with they money what do you mean not a single dollar

[magic moth]

I'm trying my best to understand what they want

[fossil thicket]

You could have published that roadmap ages ago. Zero news on that Image.

[solar moon]

Ain't no way people really upset about the paid classes. This game has been free forever like it ain't that big a deal.

[pure dawn]

Bro that costs 6 or 7 dollars lmao you are so out of touch

[jade oxide]

everyone forgot games like bl2 having paid clases

[arctic bison]

Bro you literally paid, many years ago, 30 bucks

[calm zodiac]

I've spend 90$ on stash tabs alone, let's not cope and pretend that people that play Poe seriously don't spend more.

[fallow sleet]

To be mad.

[surreal oxide]

It's not an expansion, it's a patch with delusions of grandeur. Paid classes are just a non starter.

[tropic panther]

you know what else kills games not making money to keep the game running

[dim jungle]

the game costs 50 fcking dollars

[cobalt fable]

look at my name

[wary spear]

It's just crazy to me, i look at path of exile and they never had paid classes or anything like it. And to open the post with yeah the dlc is free to then say the classes cost money is dumb s

[arctic bison]

Meanwhile WoW cost 15 bucks/month

[pure dawn]

Make better cosmetics people will spend money on

[silk compass]

🍿 👀

[charred haven]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-detector-bitcoin-rd-btc-my-clown-detector-is-off-the-charts-strike-memes-gif-22298893

[fallow sleet]

So much salt.

[fiery marsh]

I'm wondering how that roadmap took months to make.
It doesn't even have any new information from when they first announced they were making it!

[eager iron]

If you’ve spent over $30 on stash tabs that’s on you

[tropic panther]

they think that the devs should work for free and keep giving us content and that selling cosmetics is going to fuel the game for 10 years

[ashen chasm]

yeah, i paid for a product, dont see why i would need to pay again, do you normally pay for things 2-3 times?

[round lake]

Diablo is AAA with quality narration, dubbing audio for many languages, story, cinematics.

[main frigate]

lol

[granite kindle]

So ? Because the game is good . What can you do in Le it's only enough for 1 playthrough and there's no end game to do lmao. Imagine comparing to poe2 or poe1 when both stashes are transferable and the gameplay actually keeps you playing fr weeks and months

[sage egret]

Having paid content makes me feel dumb for buying cosmetics

[tropic panther]

their cosmetics are good but not a lot of people care about the cosmetics especially if they have 1 or 2 fire ones they buy and people really like

[fallow sleet]

I need to get out before I get invested. Stay salty, people.

[solar moon]

Which has been proven to be detrimental to the company which is the whole reason they even went to Krafton but I thought this was common sense

[mellow gate]

Are you paying again for access to the same content or something completely new?

[dim jungle]

no playable content is poe is paywalled

[silk compass]

i dont like D4 but its true

[unreal knot]

This game was literally never free you literally had to pay $35

[devout pawn]

Because it is huge and you are ignoring ramifications. Why would they work ever again on the old free classes when they can sell us a new one and make bank? Say goodbye to cool updates and additions to the base classes mate

[silver shale]

Okay so the updated version being game + dlc, still keeps the same problem of price increasing, making it harder to recommend, arguably worse that it's a forced bundle because now they are forced to pay a higher price to even try it out

[pure dawn]

So many games have ALL content for free except your cosmetics… theres so many working examples you are completely out of touch

[pearl orbit]

Endgame poe tabs cost over $60 on sale, what are you talking about. Do you play without trading?

[dim jungle]

guys we have a brand new fun class to play! 10 dollars please

[ocean idol]

It's sad that the immediate reaction is doomerism to trying to be upfront and inform your players of the extra content they will continue to get for free and clearly announce what content they're developing for money

[late idol]

It’s literally not free haha

[solar moon]

The CONTENT has been free not the game obviously

[dim jungle]

There's literally dozens of games that do this

[dark glen]

Fine with me if the paid DLC includes MTX and points for the same value

[woven sentinel]

But my point exactly is they moaning about paid characters. Vessel of hatred was for a paid Necro character

[granite kindle]

Are these people playing torchlight infinite cause they think buying classes is fine lmaoooo

[late idol]

No game with paid classes survives, it’s the end of the game.

[tropic panther]

All the games out there that are crazy pay 2 win and people are upset about spending a little bit of money for some content that they can chose to not buy

[radiant kiln]

I don't disagree, they need to improve the skins quality, I'm just saying for anyone expecting everything onwards to be completely free but the skins are delulu

[round lake]

I spent over $3500 on poe supporter packs. Here only capibara was quality. Most of skins metal bends on move like plastic and are childish quality of a first school 3D student

[devout pawn]

Inb4 review bombing

[eager iron]

Nope. I have 2k divs and mirror in my inventory now

[tropic panther]

not only was D4 pay for a character but the game is actual dog shit lol

[magic moth]

They doing expansion for free and people STILL upset ICANT LMAO

[solar moon]

Regardless quit crying about this either but it or don't. There are a lot of new players that will influx from PS5 that won't bat an eye lash to getting the extra class

[silk compass]

Last Epoch Infinite 👀

[surreal oxide]

It's mobile game ethos on PC title. It reeks of corporate greed

[unreal knot]

Are you ok? Every single game is free then????? I paid $70 for FF16 but the content in the game was there so that means the game was free? wtf are you talking about?????

[woven sentinel]

Thank you.

[ocean idol]

How many people pay subs for MMO's in here to justifiably continue to fund more content that are immediately doomering about EHG/Krafton?

[silk compass]

whata gamer 👀

[half dawn]

"EXPERIMENT" dead before it even spawned. RIP paradox class.

[granite kindle]

When is battle pass coming like torchlight infinite 🤣

[eager iron]

DLC is free. Classes are paid dlc. Different things

[dim jungle]

paid class = death of the game GL

[flat gull]

So in the future a new player would need to buy the base version of LE + Orobyss + paid dlc for classes to enjoy everything?
If so that would be a hard sell man, I hope they redo that strategy

[wary spear]

Can't wait for this game to fail now tbh, and i have 1k hours in last epoch lol

[dark glen]

Battle pass like POE you mean

[silk compass]

Krafton btw

[plain mantle]

Dropping a roadmap with no dates is crazy

[dim jungle]

thats some gacha game bullshit

[round lake]

Demo version

[solar moon]

For ever one person that leaves because if this there are 10 more that will join and support the game lmao

[turbid silo]

Hey folks, lets try to make sure we're continuing to respect people's opinions on the news we just shared. We love passionate converastion but remain respectful.

[pearl orbit]

Orobyss is free

[calm zodiac]

That part i agree.

[zealous nebula]

paid classes is the wildest thing i've seen in arpgs, ggs

[short spade]

If payed classes come out Im removing the game from my account. Idc that Im losing money for doing so.

[simple bison]

Afaik the price of the game won't go up, the orobyss expansion is basically just a free large update

[dim jungle]

Free battle pass that gives you items useable in game and paid version for COSMETICS

[ocean idol]

Frankly I expected the expansion to be paid and to be potentially willing to pay for it. Hearing that it's just new classes that I wasn't expecting to get at all, that I may not like and have the option to pay for... am I really the only one who is pleasantly surprised?

[calm zodiac]

Blizzard been doing it since diablo 2?

[tropic panther]

funny thing is 90% of the people in here complaining will still play the game and buy the class. Welcome to gaming in 2025, people doom for weeks over something and then just buy it anyway\

[silver shale]

free for existing players, they explicitly state existing players in the question, there is no world that's a mistake

[surreal oxide]

you realize that "expansion" is just an arbitrary label, right? They aren't shipping discs or something. This is just a patch with some feature neutered behind a pay wall.

[daring rock]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message What a difference ~6 years and a buyout make, huh.

[inner finch]

[jade oxide]

i dont understand why theyd announce it as an expansion though, couldnt they just announce it as a major update instead

[silk compass]

i cant buy new character, Im saving money for poe 2 druid

[onyx tartan]

gg

[zealous nebula]

yes and it is wild

[ashen chasm]

what i wanna know if if this was kraftons decision or ehgs, cause if its krafton, i guess i couldve seen it coming

[magic vector]

🤡 P2W krafton AI paid class spiritborn bullshit here we go🤡

[flat gull]

Only for those who already own the game, I'm talking about future players

[proven glen]

lmfao look at these job postings did everyone quit?

[solar moon]

Agreed. I'll just straight up tell y'all paid class is fine y'all are great devs and have been in a crazy position for a long time. Keep at it

[spice cobalt]

We should bring back not getting any updates for free, after all you paid for a product, not future products

[sudden gust]

GG. Now in game will be max 10-20k online at start.)

[magic vector]

🤡 P2W krafton AI paid class spiritborn bullshit here we go🤡

[half dawn]

understandable, but kind of disrespectful to the player base that's been here since the first round of beta tests to try to squeeze them for money to play the game. no?

[simple bison]

They haven't gone against that though? the seasonal updates he's referring to in the message will still be free

[balmy flint]

I think it strongly depends on how much access to the class actually costs tbh

[dim jungle]

BAHAHAHAHA

[coral valve]

Ayo so basically we are getting paid ascendancy from poe?

[granite kindle]

Damn what a nice receipt screenshot it before it gets removed lmaooo

[near heath]

Smbdy read LUA to see if we can ask for a payback ?

[magic vector]

🤡 P2W krafton AI paid class spiritborn bullshit here we go🤡

[outer tundra]

But you not need extra pay for play druid... Wait a minute

[royal token]

Imagine making an awesome game and then selling out. Paid class dlc gtfo

[calm zodiac]

Blizzard selling classes for over 20 years and my guys are complaining now lol

[dim jungle]

Their corporate dads told them to go make more profit

[fluid blaze]

Not a fan of payed classes, but I guess you need to get revenue from somewhere if MTX’s aren’t enough…

[north scaffold]

really? paid classes?
ain't no way i'm spending a dime on this game. back to poe.

[silk compass]

you got it

[solar moon]

They ain't squeezing you for money to play the game. It's OPTIONAL either buy it or don't. They literally said "for players that want to experiment" if you're not one of those players then don't buy it

[unreal knot]

They sold their souls. This game is dead. They get the message when the next season drops and the numbers tank

[sand sequoia]

im not gonna lie, i have been playing LE and supporting it since KS, ive bought every single supporter pack available just to financially support EHG in any way possible, i wasnt thrilled by the Krafton acquisition or by the idea of a paid expansion even though i completely get it. but to read the expansion will be free immediately followed by "paid DLC classes" is something that blows my mind, i dont think im that excited for future things, and its sad.

[ocean idol]

It's literally still true? New expansion, areas, eras, and maps are not classes

[round lake]

You guys are not respectful to your promises. Not being respectful to your EA. All EA guys should have it for free.

Or we will hit customer right authorities. You are not respectful with regional oricing racistly making them higher for poorer countriest.

Make you promises at least for EA people

[granite kindle]

People who are complaining aren't playing blizzard games. Maybe u should think harder 🤣

[short spade]

Oh boy, I sure do love shooting myself in the foot

[royal token]

I bought supporter packs because I supported ehg but it ain’t ehg no more.

[solar moon]

And what do people expect they weren't making money off cosmetics hardly. Don't no whales play this game lmao

[near heath]

And to be honest... we paid the game to help them... cause with offline mode you can dl it everywhere without any restriction to play...

[ocean idol]

It's a true receipt that is staying true according to this announcement

[half dawn]

Shills gonna shill.

It's an experiment they want to work with. It's a paid class and you know it's going to outperform others.

[calm zodiac]

Oh yeah sure, none of us played diablo 2/3 lol

[pure dawn]

They could but they intended you to pay for it but got huge backlash so they backtracked to it being free and pivoted to paid classes

[proven glen]

👺 LETS BANKRUPT A PRIVATE EQUITY FIRM TONIGHT 👺

[tropic panther]

I heard Hello Kitty Island might go on sale for black Friday. Might be a good time for yall to pick it up.

[mossy smelt]

Blizzard has an IP and fanbase 10,000 times the size of LE. They can afford to lose players. LE can't. You can't be disrespecting the players and backtracking on promises made when you're the small fish in a hyper-competitive market.

[short spade]

"how can we turn our playerbase against us?"

[zealous nebula]

agree

[strange raven]

Paying for a class is some Blizzard like stuff, and every ARPG should do it's best to NOT replicate any models that Blizzard has actively with the Diablo franchise.

Having said that, I will buy it though, because I am mentally broken when it comes to giving game developers support through blind faith....

[pearl orbit]

apparently devs are required to work for free. the entitlement is crazy

[severe rune]

Brutally true

[calm zodiac]

I'm a POE player just like i'm an LE player, but saying stash tabs are cheaper its just plain BS, ive spend over 100$ on tabs alone, not counting the overpriced cosmetics.

[granite kindle]

I didn't so I don't are lmaooo. Why do you think everyone played the same games u have so ur fine eating slop whatever a company throws at you lmaoo

[dim jungle]

free how, the game costs money

[half dawn]

They literally sell the game and MTX lol

[zenith hemlock]

xD

[true meteor]

Jobless individuals complaining in here

[short spade]

games dead, end of story. byeeeee

[novel kiln]

PoE1 devs have been working for free for a decade now?

[dim jungle]

They just sold the company to a corporate giant to make money

[zenith hemlock]

payblock classes for paid game with mtx xD good job nice game xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[pearl orbit]

poe is more expensive than LE, even if you dont buy MTX and just buy tabs

[thorny sapphire]

I mean I'm not terribly fazed. I've spent like four times as much on D4 and people need livable wages

[plush obsidian]

Paid classes are just…yikes.

[glad rose]

now I kinda regret buying the woven legend pack (bought it even though I didn't like it to support the devs)

[granite kindle]

Poe1 has more content and it's free 💀

[jade oxide]

which is probably the worse option imo, if they made it a paid expansion and bundled a class with it i’d bet people would treat it more in line with a destiny 2 expansion lmao

[dim jungle]

and that corporate giant said come back to me with 100% profit margins or we are going to fck you

[graceful furnace]

I'm not suprised after Krafton take-over. Just dissapointed

[unreal knot]

They didn’t start that way???? And never charged for the game

[silk compass]

this

[novel kiln]

all content in poe is free. poe is free.

[round lake]

Games making 10 000% of license sales from skins. Even for single player games.

[true meteor]

That's on you for buying something you don't like, maybe don't do that

[eager iron]

You CHOOSE to buy those tabs though. There is no part of the game you can’t access without them. Plus the game is f2p. Terrible argument

[near heath]

you choose to ( i thik i put 50€ in it to have all important tab) but you can do it for the 30€ base cost of LE in POE

[flat gull]

Free for people who already own the game. New players on PC in the future and PS5 will need to buy 3 separate things to enjoy everything the game has to offer (base LE/ Orobyss / Class DLC) and that sounds like a pretty hard sell tbh

[magic moth]

Discord server for "been closer with consumers" was a mistake 💀

[nimble hound]

Krafton just out here speed running being the most hated publisher

[solar moon]

I'm not a shill lmao I'm one of the harshest critiques out there for games. I just don't think this is a big deal. We waste money on things all the time with no meaning but we're complaining about a class lmao

[muted estuary]

there are literally just 2 must have stash tabs in poe... everything else is just QoL

[loud spruce]

DLC Classes - RIP.

[ocean idol]

It's not even just entitlement tbh, it feels hypocrisy. Idk why people are fine paying extra money for other games and dlc's but not for LE. If you were a purely free to play player for every game ever I could respect that after season 6 and the new expansion you may be dipping or at least firmly not buying the classes. But.. you can still play the free stuff for free?

[granite kindle]

Don't touch whatever krafton buys

[glad rose]

please reread the words inside brackets

[dim jungle]

you can play the entirety of poe with 0 dollars

[calm zodiac]

Either you're bs on purpose or you're a tourist who never played more then 50 hours in the game, no buying stash tabs is not optional.

[zenith hemlock]

patch 1 and patch 3 was a mistake and now we get new amazing info

[pure dawn]

I agree with you but I’d still quit the game.

The moment an ARPG has content behind a paywall all my motivation to grind vanishes.

It was a good run LE, farewell

[silk compass]

i cant wait to buy poe 2 druid

[wind phoenix]

EHG Didn't prioritize creating cool skins and other things to buy in the game, they really needed to focus more on that if they wanted to make money

[calm zodiac]

No you literally can't.

[near heath]

it's kinda hard with not the currency and 1 page to sell item ( especialy this league)

[kind vale]

If MTX sales weren't enough, pay walling playable content will really be a fail

[ocean idol]

I think this makes sense if it's content that you would grind for but classes aren't content that you grind for?

[tropic panther]

see ya

[golden anchor]

Not sure how I feel about paid paradox classes. Theres already balancing issues I feel like everything is just gonna worse than those Paid classes

[half dawn]

The promises made to the community before 1.0 ever launched were that there wasn't going to be monetary and pay for play incentives.
Locking a class behind paywall goes directly against what they said in the very beginning.

[solar moon]

Bruh y'all can literally quit lmao PlayStation players are about to eat this up lmao

[thorny sapphire]

The paywall has always been the price of the game. I gather you're only playing free to play games, then?

[magic moth]

Wait for this clown to return after some new news to say that again here

[eager iron]

I promise I have more hours in Poe than you can dream of having lol. It’s optional. No matter if you’d enjoy it or not, by definition. It’s optional

[unreal knot]

They also treat us like idiots. Like oh the expansion is free but we will charge for the good stuff. When GGG has to change their stance they just come out and explain why they a tens ping something EHG has become soulless

[silk compass]

My time playing was worth the money spent

[pure dawn]

Makes me feel like I’m playing an incomplete version of the game.

All my motivation goes away

[round lake]

In poe you have quality skins. Here you cant buy anything. So they cant made money due to bad skins artist. When 2D artists making so good graphics for uniques. Then we get fortnite power ranger for 50$ xd

[radiant kiln]

but yet they made an open topic for this discussion few months back and most people said they didn't care for skins all that much 🙊

[near heath]

as i said , currency + 1 selling page, all other aren't mandatory ^^

[kind vale]

No one plays ARPGs on playstation (less then 1000 people, maybe less than 100)

[novel kiln]

lots of ppl play ssf and couldn't care less about market

[silk compass]

whata gamer 👀

[zenith hemlock]

clown your ass @magic moth only patch 2 was actually good, no aspirational content, mtx were shit so no surprise they havent sold, although bought one for patch 2 cuz finally some good changes

[copper sorrel]

I understand being slightly upset they dont hand you stuff for free, but the og game aint a pass like for example the one i bought for witcher3 which gave me all later dlc for free

[solar moon]

Things change and we either get with it or don't it is what it is. We either play this and get on board or play something else. Nobody is forcing anyone to play or not to play

[pure dawn]

wtf do you mean, I pay the game I have access to all the features lmao

[urban frost]

When's ps5 release?

[dim jungle]

thats true poe skins are expensive but they look beast, and they deliver on their updates so people buy supporter packs

[simple bison]

Guys criticism and voicing your opinion is totally fine but please try to keep it respecful.

[calm zodiac]

Sure its optional, you'll play the game just the same as someone who has all the tabs they need, yeah, if you're not a tourist you're ragebaiting.

[dim jungle]

the skins in this game look like someone shat on a character and uploaded it

[ocean idol]

I enjoy the game and support the devs, but we've been arguably playing an incomplete version this whole time tbh. Your feelings are valid but I just can't relate

[magic moth]

You can leave this server FOR FREE like you love and want

[granite kindle]

You are a diablo 4 player idk if ur opinion stands 🤣

[thorny sapphire]

You can't win games you don't buy. That's my point
It's a stupid metric

[pure dawn]

Do not call me clown. <@&1161418687471956101>

[solar moon]

You have literally no data to support your claim at all there's an ass load of players that play arpgs. Poe2 and poe1 has a LOT of console players as well as d4 and last epoch gonna eat good too

[signal arch]

chat moving so fast they wont find out that im fat

[silk compass]

these guys cant wait to buy poe 2 druid

[wind phoenix]

yeah I guess because the skins are not great, clearly it worked well for POE, along with all the other things the whales buy like divination cards and creating uniques and all that.

[graceful furnace]

Nah you for sure can play a poe with no stash tabs. I did that i have 5k hours on that mf and I've played like 1,5k without them. Was it tedious? Hell yeah, I agree. But not impossible

[calm zodiac]

Currency, essence, map + a few quad tabs

[kind vale]

those games are completely free. LE is not

[tropic panther]

I thought you quit, why you asking for mod help. Just leave the discord.

[pure dawn]

If you don’t understand paywall content that’s on you.

[unreal knot]

You earn respect. This is something that EHG has lost. Don’t tell us what to do

[zenith hemlock]

+1 <@&1161418687471956101> kick that @magic moth guy for clowning everyone and introducing toxicity

[keen shoal]

I bought the game 5 years ago and have a few thousand hours logged. Paid classes is a no from me. Cosmetics and paid QoL things are absolutely fine, the company has to make money. Classes locked behind a pay wall? Ill pass on that behavior

[surreal oxide]

If druid release came with a price tag I'd have the exact same reaction. It's a shit decision that reeks of corporate overlord greed

[inner finch]

My **only **problem with this piece of news is an early supporter - EHG set everything and everyone on fire once again without expanding on the mechanics and caveats of said paid mechanics, letting speculations run wild until they will have to extinguish the flames themselves later, when another chunk of the player base gives up.

[solar moon]

Doesn't matter they'll buy it. Console has been playing gaacha games for quite a while now they're used to buying classes lmao y'all just spoiled on free.

[silk compass]

true

[half dawn]

if you watch any of the old dev interviews and play alongs, they said they wanted to be different from other ARPGs... looks like they are by charging for a class lol

[coarse swallow]

Please remember to remain civil in chat. Dispute the ideas, not attack the person.

[sullen spoke]

paid classes, LMFAO

[granite kindle]

Guess I'm going to my favorite girl fitgirl ❤️

[mighty moss]

Called in the mods like a killstreak I'm weak

[dim jungle]

They must be smoking if they think the money gained from adding a PAID class will offset the money lost from losing fck tons of supporters

[wraith condor]

this is only the begining imagine what ll they try to sell next season

[round lake]

Imagine skins with metal that bends like plastic.

All ea people should have stuff for free
otherwise we can hit goverment customer authorities for breaking promises from EA of a product and not delivering it

[shut steeple]

last nail for me

[silk compass]

I can respect all the peoples, bc a can wait to buy poe 2 druid

[ocean idol]

Just a hypothetical but if they just straight up begged for money cuz cosmetics and qol wasn't enough to keep going, would you donate? If you would, how would that be different from being promised new classes as a reward and being given the option to let other people donate instead to play them?

[tropic panther]

he pulled the ultimate Karen card. The complain and snitch.

[loud spruce]

Sat quietly and let the Community run wild - then decided to "Clarify" things - while opening 20 more holes in the conversation. Classic Corporate backpedaling.

[vocal topaz]

If you play SSF this is certainly one way for it to be f2p

[spark river]

I'll just try to get someone else to pay for the paid class

[round lake]

Ai krafton season with p2w classes

[unreal knot]

O now you care about the community? This is hilarious after what you just posted. The irony is at an all time high with you guys.

[sullen spoke]

If you like paid classes, react with ✅
If you hate paid classes, react with ❌

[pure dawn]

You split the playerbase between the haves and have nots

[round lake]

Imagine if any of the classes will be meta. It will become f2w

[granite kindle]

I only played ssf since EA 💀 idk why I bought this game. I did it to support them and now I should've just bought stashes on poe2 🤣

[lost wigeon]

i honestly like paid dlc

[inner finch]

This is EHG behavior prior to current events, tbh

[loud spruce]

They under priced all of their cosmetics by a 2-3x multiplier against the actual market value. This is what happens when "gamers" make a game - and dont surround themselves with good business people.

[night marten]

i mean we were already here but...

[warped lava]

Paid class surely won't affect balancing xdddddddddddddddddddddd

[dim jungle]

hey guys welcome to my build guide for Spiritmancer the all new "Paradox" class, it does 100 mil dps and it shits on all the other classes, only for 9.99 please!

[balmy arrow]

I still bought all the DLC xD

[sullen spoke]

dlc is fine but classes tbh would and COULD easily be overbalanced to where it outshines any unpaid class in the game

[round lake]

To not being able to create any good skins and delivering childish power ranger designs.

[zenith hemlock]

what ideas, when the first news we get is monetization "vision" and not game changes, improvements, new mechanics, new building possibilities? When do we get boss which is between aberroth normal and abberoth uber and one harder than aberroth uber?

[nova glacier]

man im probably in the minority but as a COF purist paid classes do not affect me in any substantial way beyond more builds to try

[sudden palm]

sounds like you want another sentinel rework

[radiant kiln]

I'd agree but the cosmetics available are not average market as well so...

[ocean idol]

So the argument is that they should have charged way more for the cosmetics people in here are saying aren't worth buying already?

[pure dawn]

Hopefully the persons who called me a clown is timed out, that’s unacceptable

[pseudo geyser]

roadmap: season 4 and 5 coming

[opaque fossil]

as if the game was balanced in the first place xdd

[granite kindle]

Torchlight infinite gameplay 🤣

[copper sorrel]

Krafton devs are humans too and need to eat. You think otherwise?

[lost wigeon]

i don't mind p2w either

[round lake]

https://tenor.com/view/garou-one-punch-man-anime-opm-season-3-gif-8640489578546184390

[balmy arrow]

Let me see this class again. People are always rushing things.

[zenith hemlock]

just create better mtx or effects

[silk compass]

LE infinite

[muted estuary]

the problem is... their cosmetics looks awful

[loud spruce]

Absolutely - it is well known that the money comes from the whales. When whales literally run out of things to buy BEFORE they hit the amount of money they are willing to spend - thats a mistake.

[night marten]

we are enforcing rules as per normal under #rules

[surreal oxide]

Ok, it's valid concern. To offset this risk in a fair and stay balanced, we will be implement a new feature that requires all users to repay for each base class they want to unlock as well. It's the only way to keep things fair.

[cobalt fable]

@warped lava really likes paid dlc

[ashen chasm]

dude grow some thick skin lol, one insult and youre having an emotional meltdown

[graceful furnace]

The class could be dogshit and it still is not ok. It's about the way of going about it

[warped lava]

krafton doing gods work at light speed

[left geyser]

Falconer will still be the goat surely

[outer tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/raiken-cat-hang-die-bitya-gif-26309780

[urban frost]

When's ps5 release

[unreal knot]

Im glad I was in chat at the start of this collapse. It was a good run folks. Let this be a lesson to people selling your soul will always catch up to you

[granite kindle]

Where's my battle pass and mobile version so it's like torchlight infinite 🤣

[ocean idol]

Costs more to do that, assuming that wouldn't clash with the game in the first place, so yeah it would still have to cost more no?

[round lake]

Skins outsell even assassin creed games. Its better for everyone.

[silk compass]

thanks krafton I love krafton holy krafton

[calm zodiac]

I also do like paid DLC, remove the brokies from the game and i dont have to wait server queue

[pure dawn]

I’m having an emotional meltdown because I’m calling for civility? That’s new

[north belfry]

Probably Q3/Q4 2026.

[sullen spoke]

We hear you! So what we're gonna do now is release a dlc for FREE to all who already own LE. And as a special thank you, we're making paradox classes completely different and new to LE, which you will need to give up your hard earned paycheck for. Can't promise it won't be overbalanced from the other classes, nor could it possibly be broken on launch day as well.

[balmy flint]

There are other ARPGs besides Diablo that have charged money for content including additional classes… I want to see how much it actually costs before throwing a fit

[granite kindle]

Corporate plant ? 🤣

[round lake]

Just made your 2D artist made skins and not outcource it.... Uniques are great.

[zenith hemlock]

cost of skin is not proportional to cost of skin creation/development time

[balmy arrow]

So why do people know in advance that it will kill the game and do millions of damage?

[silk compass]

can we have gacha in LE please?

[loud spruce]

Catch up to Judd while hes sitting on a beach with a drink in a coconut with a little umbrella. Cash out and get out. Smart moves, i hope the rest of the squad who started it gets their cut.

[cobalt fable]

gacha and waifus next pls

[calm zodiac]

Nah just gave up discussing things fairly, going to ragebait now

[balmy arrow]

There is no need to rush things

[eager iron]

Lol people that talk like this are actually poor. Good try though

[radiant kiln]

bruh you don't even know the cost yet

[granite kindle]

Okay I'm waiting to roll my classes

[ashen chasm]

no, you just got your feelings hurt, lol

[zenith hemlock]

daily missions and login bonus pls

[dim jungle]

yooo lets add lootboxes to the game. 1.99 per roll and you have a chance of winning a new beast set item

[pure dawn]

Did I? Who said?

[graceful furnace]

That pretty simple? Would you buy a class that's mediocare at best? Ofc not, they have to make it fun cool and strong for people to whip out 15 $. So if you like cool stuff you're at crossroads. Pay more which devs said won't happend or get screw

[half dawn]

So last epoch... selling out to Krafton... a company that wants to be 'AI-First'... wants to upcharge on classes that will most likely be spit out as ideas from ChatGPT

[sullen spoke]

knowing krafton it'll be as much as your mortgage

[balmy flint]

Like keeping it a buck here if it’s $5 for permanent access to a new class that’s hardly worth whining about

[calm zodiac]

Yes i'm actually poor, but not poor enough to complain about a 5$ character lol

[left geyser]

just get good IRL and buy the class if its OP, skill issue if you cant buy it TBH

[unreal knot]

Nope Krafton will create an AI generated message saying the EHG people lied. Then admit they were wrong in court

[ashen chasm]

being 'civil' and calling for someones ban/timeout isnt being civil, its being butthurt

[loud spruce]

youre right having principles is rarely worth it.

[eager iron]

You know the price? Weird

[dim jungle]

Make it so when you start the game your assigned a class, and you have to do rolls to get a new one. 1 free roll and the rest cost 50 Epoch Coins!

[novel kiln]

huge difference between can't and won't

[sullen spoke]

if it's $5 im fine with it. if it's $20 they reaching, if it $30+ then we have a problem

[zenith hemlock]

such attitude is reason for gaming downhill

[mighty moss]

Stamina system for running monoliths when

[balmy flint]

My principles are consistent, I’ve bought expansions for Titan Quest, Grim Dawn and Diablo 2/3/4

[pure dawn]

Hum no it’s not.

You do you though, if you like being called a clown don’t say anything when it happens

[ocean idol]

Do you think there is actually zero extra cost to create more effects/more detailed assets/hire "better" artists, etc or just that it would not be enough to justify the cost? The other person said the existing ones should have already costed 2-3x more