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I couldn't actually sleep because sensor kept going off that bloodsugar dropping too low
But it turned out to just be malfunctioning 
Ended up running to act6
The sensor was telling you to log tf in
I guess it was
Dmg is fine currently
My res are in a terrible shape though
Nub are you on rn?
no
went back to get some more sleep
or try to at least
And back to trying
Get enough finally. I'm angry that the neighbour have made huge noise when close to 9:00
Made it to Red maps, Exarch and Eater tomorrow Bedge time tho
Someone in the game party is come back from US... Interesting
Where Wind Meet 7mil pre-registrstion ooo
:(
All people I can met in real life by events whose work in game industry are game designers, game publishers or game editors
I wonder how to meet game artists 😔
Finally waking up again 🥱
https://b23.tv/oy4nCgp
@blissful token What the English term for this type of physical models is?
Character... Character models? Oh... 3d prints? Emmmm 3d character prints?
Tencent transferred the act 3 final boss to physical models for selling
figurine? merchandise?
Tornados hit them assssssssssssssssssssssss BOSS here 😄
16c... Never imagine I can enjoy this temperature. 24c here
https://www.artstation.com/colingeller
64 concept art projects about Doom: eternal + 36 concept art projects about Doom: dark age.
This pro is impressive.
figurine oh yes. Thanks
None of mini stuff can't attract me
Alright, options on le merch wishlist +1
Maybe Muffin will interested in exploring that
For a moment I read "Unicool" without an "i". 🤨
"Beer goggles, blind!"
(but without the beer)
I can't understand the gensis tree completely, but yes this new passive tree is as like as weaver tree in le
Alright meet bugs are unavoidable in a new league even it's GGG...
THESE ARE SO COOL
bugs are present in every level of development
Bugs are present in every piece of published software, game or otherwise, it is basically impossible to never have one ever.
not impossible, but the level of investment to have good qa is way too much for a game.
When lives are on the line, or the law requires it, qa is much, much better. But on that scale gaming is literally the bottom tier.
How many knives would i get pointing at me claiming that sharing such thing in a gaming subreddit is a little off
(or really any subreddit)
This weekend is a bit busy. I just can't have plenty of time to grind poe. Plus most of poe players have played that for years, I guess inflation I must face will just go harder than poe 2
about any sane person would agree i'd say
Yeah I don't like it
Generally don't like ppl putting their kids on the internet
I found a new way to eat fruit while I went shopping in a supermarket yesterday. Taste good too :)
Just fruit. So if it's a apple strip, the ingredient is apple only
I mean, fruits can be considered candy I guess but I wouldn't call it that
Depends on what they did to the apple though I guess, 100% apple can still be 100% sugar if the sugar came from apples
Oh good. I like fruit candy.
In a glasses shop and waiting the eye testing 
The leg of current one is too loose
Fruit leather is literally candied fruit.
is that what that is though
It is
Still got good stuff in it tho. Just sweet.
Iirc, fruit leather is a good source of fiber.
What the most fashion girls here are doing. No idea what is that
Oh Yes. Exclusive traditional architecture here. I'm more interested in them :)
(Trash phone. So can't be more clear)
Hooray
managed to stabilize a breach
and it spawned a soul eater
can't kill that one
Also my assassin is feeling super squishy and monsters hitting me instantly stuns me
And not a fan of the treasurer hideout decor constantly mocking
@desert jasper in your opinion how’s the league
it isn’t
the state of “candied” refers to a specific thing
fruit leather is just mashed/pulped/blended fruits that are then dehydrated
they’re not candied in any way, and do not necessarily require additional sweeteners or anything
it’s an okay source of fiber but so is just eating an apple. just eat lentils and beans and stuff if you want fiber
fruit leather is awesome as an energy and trail snack because the sugar will process into energy overtime which is why it’s so good for travel and stuff
which is what makes it healthy (sugary things aren’t unhealthy)
but i wouldn’t say fiber is like a key selling point of if. it’s like saying i get more tea per tea if i eat a tea cube
technically true but it’s not going to be fun
The league itself seems fun
I think they should make a few changes to it. Like soul eater can just completely ruin the thing and during the league you get too little of the resource to even really use the tree properly. Like you get multiple drops every area that need to be put in the tree but you don't get the resource to activate them.
I'm also not sure what I'll do now since I spent like 14hours on 1 character and it feels kinda shit to play
Werent there different tones of skincolor for handgestures on discord before? I could have sworn i was using black ones frequently.
yeah deias said that unless you’re a heister (like me) it’s actually pretty rough rn, even if the mechanic is fun
not that i remember
Also apparently melee has the issue that sometimes you just get ranged mobs chipping off the npc health
I've also found like 5 bluepritns already
I just come back to the front of my laptop after at outside 10h
oh that is rough
as a melee only player
Though I guess it's less problem for slams when you get your area big enough
but melee strikes might have problems with it
yeah i use stuff like whirlwind blades so
And yeah, I usually go melee
Hugging my cat when she hides in my quilt is quite satisfying :)
Cats are wonderful
they are. nefarious
idk what skill i want to play tbh
i haven’t looked through poe skills in a while, i’ve forgotten most of them aside from your generic starting ones
Ok time to continue a4
😱 😱 😱 🤯 My Jesus... Seriously?! ||Zoe is murdered immediately after she finished her thoughts?!||
......... The twist is too shocking
what
The tale in house of cards S2 E1
Death threat from people who have powers. Too scary
I love that Kirra gives no context xD
It is is in reference to being fruit leather.
LOVEAU sparkling water, infused with yuzu, lemon & lime. UNSWEETEDED. Zero calories and zero sugar.
Alright. Very healthy. But I can't adapt sparkling water as a drink yet 
Why British like producing something like that... Zero flavour except carbon dioxide :(
@fervent hazel i have an uber issue lol
kill - them - all
i usually wait until people need a uber kill and i bring em to mine
or go to theres(if they have it set)
did they kill the general discussion or am i going insane? im not seeing it
General is still a thing #💬┃general
Dude tree is the GOAT HOLY
I'm in crypt after exploring maps blindly for a while again 
No need to hurry up because I can't hurry up
Biting you
Rude
Fane is a fake newbie
I just found memory of act 2 back
Maybe Alwheezy and Deias done with this league when I enter the endgame finally 
No, I'm going quite slow
I'm thinking wbout rolling a new character tbh
But not gonna be doing that today and tomorrow I've got a lot of calls to do so might go to later evening when I can start
I guess it gives me enough time to think what I'd wanna run
Going through the acts again is so damn boring though
I think the campaign is pretty boring too
I don't mind it
I just kinda tune out and suddenly I'm lvl 50 something
Only just reached a8 lol
i have so much afk time already
Yea tbh I wasn't that fast with the acts either
Did every single breach thing I saw while also talking about stuff on discord
My (now) girlfriend has been over all weekend so I've just been playing when we're not doing anything else xdd
I wonder if groundslam of earthquaking is still strong 🤔
maybe slams will solve my issue
I dunno. Leap Slam of Groundbreaking is pretty good though lol
Earthshatter is good as well
I'm going to be playing for quite some time. I just finished my 4 Voidstones so now I'm figuring out what I want to farm
I don't really like how earthshatter plays tbh
Yea fair, I don't either
:)
I'm so used to poe2 not having flask I almost never use quicksilver
I'm so used to poe2 targeting enemies automatically, I'm quite hard to go back to the handmade mode
maybe the controller is better in poe2
because she uses controller
Oh maybe
Alright
Got the groundslam
Was gonna run a few labs for quality but 4 runs in row it didn't even give the option for quality lol
gonna do that tomorrow
this league i was under mine average time since i stopped here or there and used build i havent ever used (poison based)
full acts + initial map and 3 labs
nothing extra but trying to do dexterity stack cobra lash
new mechanic is OP tho (till they nerf it) you can easily make 5 / 6 link armors
now i need chaos at least to buy new gear >.>
Does anyone have a good breach tree I can follow?
Currently I have specced into armour cuz I want 6l chest until I get covenant 6l
dont think theres one to copy just increase what you need and decrease what you dont then gamba
Sadly no 6ls yet
They really need to tweak defense breach
If you're not playing some crazy screen explode build, you're likely to get cooked in hives if you don't spawn enough defensive blessings
Kinda annoying
Alright
Ground Slam feeling pretty good
though I can notice the ranged monsters attacking the npc out from my range
and when I go & kill them the melee ones reach her from other side
yeah they are hopefully fixing that soon
Yeah they released what we are working on
and one of the things is making the ranged ones get a bit closer before attacking
it's infuriating to lose the hive on the literal last wave
I haven't even seen a hive
Then again, I've only ran like 5 maps and decided yeah I'm not playing this starter more
I'll take it
Wish the fire was phys roll but eh whatever
Welp not exactly tweaking but they have some support for hives to planned
Do players in act 6-10 share the same town with players in act 1-5 in poe? I can't check out how many levels they are as like as poe 2.
I've no idea
I think no?
but what does it matter really
Nevermind, it's UI's fault. Keyboard one can show player levels but controller one can't
I don't enjoy the campaign until I'm in act 3
Odd. Maybe because I can use pure chaos skills finally
So I can't use that until I can kill Izaro, alright
So much restriction I have before act 6
She did play back in Settlers
I remember helping her a bit with my assassin
Compare with any players here... Yes I'm a newbie in poe
I have asked tons of silly questions before lol
It's better a lot after one year later, of course
Transfigured can be used in moment you buy it in trade and in ssf its basically lab gamble
Rest of gems except awakened is in npcs with flask and jewels or in a3 library or in act 6
if you dont play ssf then dont way literally many 1lvl cost one alchemy if its ruthless mode
Alchemy orb...Opened poedb to check out which one is it... Oh I'm so poor that zero alchemy I have because I'm just reach the end of act 3
Taking a break because it's the request from my neck
The tree gave me my first div
wish everyone had responsibility while producing and selling these and there are many brands who just sell unhealthy things for lower prices because people can only afford, sad but truth
Like that. Slow ms + handmade target slows the rhythm a lot, no idea how to balance the dodge for enemy's patterns and the offense from my skills
hah... Forget I have quicksilver flask... I don't craft that yet
you played every ARPGs havent you xD
btw how is wuthering waves
people say it better than genshin impact
I remember this boss, summoning many things, and transforming to demon,
like 3 or 4 phase, sheesh
This is ruthless mode ? In this act you shouldnt have problem kill them, what weird build you trying
hah... Poe's character animations acts odd and tricky to get adapt for me. Yes
No, normal mode
I pass that already but all combats in poe act like that
Looks hard to dodge/heal against this long. Can someone recommend an easy build for poe2? I wanted to mess with sorc, bloodmage, but i dont have the time and energy to figure it out by myself and wanna progress the Story in easy mode preferably
ok just complete 1st trade in this league because I want a sage wand with increased spell damage and to chaos damage over time multiplier, 1 chaos orb for the deal
Never play d2, d3, tq, Slormancer, Hero siege tl, tl 2, tl 3 and tl: infinite
Reason: outdated graphics >.>
Dont look on me ive played these except infinite and d2/3 becuase blizzard making it stupidly complocated
diablo 4 couldve been better...
diablo story, trailers are so good, graphics are not bad, the game monsters, areas actually hype but I remember when Kripparrian played it first on youtube, the game didn't have lootfilters and organized stash tabs... but main reason why people hate this game imo is blizzard
lmao, it is not coincidence
2nd div of the league
from shipment
did a thing for ball x pit
shipment?
?! It mean kingsmarch still in poe?
I didn't go further enough to get tons of currencies in that league unfortunately
Played a chaos build with wrong ascendency, it ruined everything
Yes.
No need to upgrade the place anymore
all buildings are fully done
zero div so far but i dont play trough weekdays so much >.>
Huuuuuuuuu... Quite cold.
I said I want 16c here yesterday then... Well windy all day then and it's 15c now indeed 
I'm happy for my clothes can be switched :)
Derrick 😄
1297% now 😄
I just watch a guide video about how to make original Satay sauce, I think this sauce have the access to compare with Kinder seasoning... The same cause on sauce for Char Siu 🤔
The common of them is... All of them for meat seasoning
Oh...And XO sauce! Yes. I love that.
Citric acid in dry seasoning? emmmm
I wonder why rice concentrate is in multiple kinder products...
Rice is cheap
But no rice is more cheap
Wow quite prime exactly. They know black garblic can bring special flavour
I learnt I can add lemon peel/mustard seeds/milk powder/cane sugar (brown sugar)/black cherry juice on seasoning from Kinder.
dehydrated onion/dehydrated garlic or onion powder/garlic powder is common in commercial spices 
URM Bear op much?
🐴 i want to draw or play poe.
But instead I'm procrastinating on discord.
draw me a mean looking bear in armour for my pfp 😄
Well that's annoying. Indigon more than doubled in price in under 12 hours.
Draw while playing PoE
rip the Indigon dream
Just means I have to farm longer ig. Irritating though.
how to do that
Magic
My brain can do one thing one time only
Serious answer: you don't draw while you're playing
Well
If you try drawing while you're playing
You're not really playing
or you're not really drawing
Sure, you can take a break from playing to draw
or break from drawing to play
👀 maybe, dm me the idea and any references and if I get to it I will.
Ay, me too. Just got this last night
I can't hurt that at all... Quite unfortunate.
hurt his feelings by running away and ignoring him
I love poe for the fact you can accidently juice up rares to the point of immortality
worst thing is that if you manage kill this "uber" mob (this is einar monster tho) you drop from it nothing 😄
Woke up from a dream just now. The dream is I join in an event which located in Hong Kong but I'm far away from this city so the school invited me to take a plane. I knew nothing about what will going on the hotel I will live. The roommate talked me it's a room with 6 beds. When I reached Hong Kong and taking a taxi go to the hotel, the sky is quite dark because a storm is happening. Heavy rain blur everywhere I can see.
Then... I'm awake.
I just took a nap, never know this is a nap with a dream
The latest game made by Wolcen joined in gamescom Asia, it's the trailer
wow this hideout looks fancy, very cool
lol tangled hideout looks very interesting, I like the interaction
some magic cards i made (i know the verbiage isn't 100% correct)'
lol this hideout is quite unique... I mean why someone want a pure grass in the hideout...I'm confused
in case you want to go for a nature look?
you can place tons of custom articles, there's trees and stuff
you add it yourself
🤔 top 3 hideout I likes (temporal list only)
- Tangled hideout
- #📚┃off-topic message I don't find its name yet
- Ravenous hideout
I do have that hideout but can't remember the name
i think it's one of the default ones
yes it's a fantastic news :) Free hideout!
Oh. Super simple. It's on the 1st one of the list
Blingblingbling shining handrails.
🤔 Wow a bunch of free assets available in the hideout stash to play error and trial, too cool
A new gate is opened
emmmmm.... I can't enter the waypoint after the big cage is placed, such a pity...
Ok solved. It can become the motivation of everyone just enter this hideout must use their travel skill once time to go out the cage.
It will be an interesting interaction :)
Classic
The popular clam chest is live in poe too so I using that. I place it here because go upstairs to get my measure is a buff for their values psychologically.
My crafting bench is on this direction so the stash on the same direction so I don't need to run
I'm thinking which item is suitable to place behind the clam
hah... Worked on that about... Oh 1.5h. It's done now :)
Am I a fan of cages?
Yes.
oh pictures only? It's sad that I can't see the whole hideouts.
:( bugs in poe 2 are more seriously.
The clam stash is gone, I want to summon it back from hideout stash, but the model is invisible and I can't move then. I'm trapped
they're all available to import to your own hideout. you can also make your own and export it, so you can share your hideout with others.
there are some good ones lol
Claim it back to decoration tab and place it again
I mainly like the nier ones
I don't know what nier is though
As in what that game is all about
Ah, Nier Automata
I enjoyed that
i loved nier and nier: automata
well except for the wall of text part in the first nier
my eyes get tired reading the white text on black screen for a LONG time
Nier = amazing.
the butthole waypoint ones always crack me up when I portal in for trades
That's what I was referring to xd
2booty
I'm not decorate my hideout for fun only.
I want to test my skills on... Environment artist. Imagine how will an professional environment artist do with limited assets is what I'm doing
I should actually fire up the nier automata soundtrack again
That entire soundtrack is amazing.
Well
Almost all of it is
what songs do you not like on it?
Emil's Shop comes to mind
ah yeah that's fair, it does get kind of grating if it's on repeat lol
There were like... 2 other ones too
but I can't remember those ones
self report tbh
I like them too
Not for what they show
but for what you can do if you've got the idea and skills
do something that isn’t losercore tbh
LOOKING for an app that lets a noob like me add cool giflike effects to pictures in a few minutes. Like adding laser shots
Well yes, I do agree with that
I have a cute nephew but on this one pic he looks like a little gremlin devil haha
blingee
PicMix?
Looking for tutorials rn, thanks guys. Im getting to rly like this, maybe my new hobby
🤔 Do alcohols are common drink for private meetings or public parties in your life so "would you like drink something" type of invitation is a type of greeting?
Depends on the people and the setting
If a person I just met asked "Would you like to have a drink?" i wouldn't trust them
Coworker asking "wanna grab a drink after work?" sure, depending on the day
Another unfortunate moment.
I only drink with people I trust. Mainly my partner or roommate. I also have a hard limit of one of whatever it is we're drinking, being drunk sucks and I don't want to slip into old habits again.
Not being hangover is better than being drunk
Yeah, that's a problem
Just don't get hangover smh
I stop at 3 drinks
I also used to have a problem with drinking
So these days I have only a few if I do drink
I drink like 1-3 cans/glasses of beer a year lol
lol poe have the same issue...
"Where my clam stash is"
what do you think about people who never drink alcohols?
I don't think much of it
I don't really drink myself, but I'm fine with it in moderation. It's obviously still bad for you (there were some biased studies a long time ago that thought a small amount was good for you but they didn't account for some things and have since been debunked)
but a lot of things are bad for you, like eating candy
🤔 I find alcohols always taste bitter, no idea why people like the bitter
I think it depends on the drink, some of them aren't bitter at all, but I personally don't enjoy the effects of alcohol and I agree it doesn't taste the best either usually. I'd rather drink something else
which is why I very rarely drink
Yeah, it really depends on the drink
I uh... like the taste of alcohol, so you can probably figure out why I have to moderate pretty hard 
Open where decoration are the window , search the deco name and it will say to claim it on it
I drink almost 3 liters of beer every night ,one in pub after work and 1-2 at home wile playing before bed
lol first time to know I don't need to wait these wombgift to grow... I just need to place it in slot then fertilize then I can get loots
...Kirra, with all due respect, sometimes things you say sound unhealthy if(/when?) put through the translator...
"wombgift", "fertilize"...
Doesn't help that I'm an actual parent privy to all the details of childbirth >.<
DOESN'T HELP that I've also completed THAT PARTICULAR SIDE QUEST in Grim Dawn's Malmouth...
Wombgift & fertilize is a part of the poe league
I know. That doesn't help either.
Not an issue with translation
Noted, but still sounds weird when taken out of PoE's context. 🥴
Poe is weird
Yeah
I mean
"Oh yea, I got to make this tree pregnant" already sounds weird
"sometimes" would be one hell of a stretch 😄
And yeah
I still remember that quest
(totally not because I did it less than a week ago again)
Can't ever forget that one.
EVER.
One part of me wants to say to the devs, "you sick f--ks, wtf do you think you're doing here?", another wants to give them the maddest props out there for keeping up the athmosphere.
Whats the name of the quest ?
Near the end
I can't remember the name of it
But it's near the end of the Malmouth dlc
Right
You know, that one in Malmouth when you meet "Krieg" again...
I havent done the dlc
||Look up "womb level" on tvtropes, and you'll have a rough idea about what you're dealing with, except it's a LITERAL INCUBATOR IN ALL POSSIBLE SENSES which makes me sick to my stomach.|| You've been warned.
Okay so, spoilers
||You find out they've been capturing women and forcing them to give birth to aetherial kids that are all messed up||
Lovely
Honeslty, I respect them for keeping the theme
They probably couldn't have done that if they were under a publisher really
I'm more than happy that they're indie.
I mean, look at krapton and raw fury.
The moment you get involved with a publisher like those (especially the latter), chances are you're finished for good along with whatever IP you're working on if they feel like it (case in point: Superfuse, which has monetary value of ZERO as an IP last I checked the background of Stitch Heads' bankruptcy case).
krafton has pubg and since they have many studios, I don't think they will be making necessarily bad decisions If they are not greedy
That's correct, a subsidiary can be closed down entirely by the parent company if they wanted to, not sure why they'd do that if they purchased the subsidiary for a pretty penny though
Man, this pizza I baked earlier is delicious
nom nom nom
it's like taking money and just flushing it down the toilet for no reason
They can get tax refunds for it
that's not how that works
It was nowhere as thick as a lasagna
It wouldn't fall under losses
imagine next gamescom they will have place for last epoch and players can try next seasons etc
Maybe korea has some crazy tax law though, unsure
LE did actually attend gamescom a couple years back
Korea also has a massive thing for senseless grind if the first couple of Lineage 2 installments is of any indication.
I haven't found it but I trust you, its good for interaction and I would like to meet with team by myself
Which actually bleeds over into real life if we study their work culture now that I think of it...
But what do I actually know...
...sigh.
Yeah, they did actually do it
They even posted about it on the discord
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00:58...
I want to have faith in LE. I really do. But, knowing what EHG has involved themselves with and the overall state of the game (plus Judd's last public post about LE bleeding funds), I just... can't.
there are a couple of videos of the booth too, i'd need to find them though
I mean that's fine, just wait and see how things play out
There's no use in worrying
Waiting and seeing is the only thing left to do.
yep
Sadly
Wait & see is the only thing most of us can do
I mean, I've lost my last shreds of hope by now, tbh.
So waiting and seeing is indeed the last thing left to do for me specifically.
exiled mages, factions man,
step by step they are improving the game
btw they achieved this with small team is amazing
Ive played the game just for few weeks but the early access game released on 2019
It's not that small a team anymore
they will get faster when updating things, I think mike said this on stream
and looking at old patch notes
Getting the colours you want in poe is pretty annoying
I am glad they got rid of it in poe 2
gem sockets?
Just go all red on full armor base like me 
Idk what armor we were crafting but I remember it had 3green,2red,1blue and my friend was telling me, it was 1/15000 chance to get lucky like this
good days
I hope you get what you want
I guess getting that on an int base would be very low chance
but you could also just force it
set it to 3 sockets on crafting bench, force them to be the color you want
and then set it to 4 sockets, if it's not the color you want back to 3
repeat until the color you want
repeat on the 5th one
and then the 6th one should be easy
It just cost a lot of Chrom
I mean yeah
and then getting the links is that 1500 if you want to guarantee it
But you can do it
I am glad I'm not dealing with this type of crafting on LE 
Honestly I think chromes are worse than links now
You can guarantee 6l with either omen or 1500 fusings
Shoot !! I missed 2 trials in act 8
But chromes can be quite expensive if you want particular colours
💀
There is only one trial in a8
oh yea Vlad, can I add you to friends on poe?
One in each act from 8 to 10
Oh nice !!
I always get confused because there are 3 in act 3
Sure
And thankfully none in maps
I mean there are but they are only used for offerings now
Which is so much better
what's your character name?
Character name or account name ?
character
Immediate death sentence lol
hah I never know these videos, thanks
I just reach the act 5 town... Closer to the 1st ascendency
But seriously Vlad
lasagna at this hour?
if you wouldnt be on console i would push you trough ascendency geez 5act without 1st insane buff
you are tortuting yourself 😄
Good news: I'm a pc player 
welp then problem will be max latency
hhhhhhhh first time to see Judd wear an suit... It looks a bit funny with his hat
Find mine nickanme if you wanna help with lab - XHersikX
suit = formal, hat = casual. It let him looks a bit funny when they go together...
👍 I will add you after I get up
purple hat don't match with grey suit too 😂
you know first lab is in act 3 right?
damng one guy in our guild snatched from dumb guy this for 7divine - that's hella insane and cheap 😄
That's insanely good
yea that guy has 90/90/90 cap so try cal it 😄
Did necro not used to get a skill that you'd cast every few seconds?
I guess they replaced the skill with a static buff
Not sure what you mean with that
There's a bot attack on the server
A bunch of users with Juludzui in their username just spam friend requests
@gloomy steppe @rare egret @grim depot you all suck
@vagrant topaz for your guys consideration
Ah, those again
<@&1161418687471956101>
what
Sorry I am in bed
lmao
your eyes will be doomed if you read from bed and in dark
Jokes on you
my eyes are already doomed
smh
🥐
You can't fool me, I'm legally blind!
I might be getting eye surgery soon
😔 I'm losing my eyesight too.
Rip
@neon sigil lol maybe you don't join the 1st fan art competition from Poe 2 is a good idea... Results are 100% unexpecting.
Alright, then I will focus on poe anyways
First time I can't agree with results for their fan art competition from beginning to end 
@twilit mountain Sometimes it be like that.
🥴 I stick on how to confirm to send
Maybe I should find a town to meet you and add you face-to-face... That's the only way I know
I remember you saying you were in China, don't they have their own realm / servers and different version of poe?
ah ok
Illegal
My ass is rerolling already, Impending Doom PF xdd
well idk if you can mee in different servers in towns..
maybe just should your character nickname without #number
Either way since you are in East timezone idk if we meed this weekdays since i have only time for game only evening which is like 1-6am for you 😄
and i guess that by that time in to weekend you could have cleared labs up to 2nd at least
Hit Enter after typing it in?
Ohhhhh I forget I can use enter... 

I think I need your special numbers behind your nickname
#xxxx
You add friends by character name, not account.
or character name and not account
......But why it isn't exist
CRHersikRC is keepers nickname
Welp because character search doesnt work with acc nickname but characters on server.. Weird since you then can write in any realm/league but whatever
✅
(I wonder who's toilagamer)
i got busy with my own projects anyways.
This one was fun.
Need to clean it up tho
I love him. Can I take him out to a pub?
Time to log in and see how many divines my boats brought back
No divines
I'm so poor
Within 10 Essence, love to see it.
;0
I want an official verification from GGG so I looking for any chances.
Well next piece, the last one too, I still thinking.
Alright. My brain have relaxed enough. It should remember to press enter now.
house of cards, s2e4.
Raped. Sexual assault. A classmate in the college. Saw him again after 30 years. Commission ceremony.
😱 Oh my god. It's the most amazing part.
Such a pity that I don't have a chance to face the classmate have forced me by overturned my desk, made jokes about my voice, convinced another classmates to isolate me and captured all available help.
Well she is quite gut. I chose to try forget this thing alternative...
Was wondering why it's taking so long for my ship to return
went to check and turns out I forgot to send them...

Also
I reaally should've checked the price on that foulborn unique
severed in sleep with +5% to minion crit
Turns out it's valuable and I put it for 1c
why poe just no npc help me to identify items
I want to change my flask but I need scrolls, I have zero
there is npc that does it.
Usually the npc that sells wands and stuff
Or Helena in your hideout
Crepe cake with sponage cake base always bad because I want to enjoy cream only. It can reduce a lot of cream
Oof but i guess the sponge isnt alot
A crepe mille feuilles !!
(small little doodle for some of my writing)
(det, ulus, sil, ima, sum, vati, pati, itas, exce, ein)
I'm an icing guy. Practically hate cream
Radical, brave, and extremely controversial
ive never had a crepe
Crepes are the best!
Based 😎
... Good...good morning... I don't know why 2h was gone after I lay on the bed and want to take a short relax only
.... Quite easy to be passed out longer than the time I expected when 20:00-21:00
I admired your passion, seriously.
Nothing I want to paint and it last 2 weeks
I have no idea why many artists can produce excellent artworks everyday, their brain just full of imagination and passion
I can produce something in a day but it will spend tons of passion so I need a long time to recover
taking breaks is key.
curating your passion is a skill. You gotta have fun, play with the medium, and take breaks when it becomes too much.
sometimes it's faster to take a 20 min break and come back than it is to force yourself to finish.
Figure out the idea from a bunch of architecture assets isn't a easy thing... The level of brainstorming trigger the warning of "I should sleep" lol
yes yawning is seriously
Take care of your body, it is part of what process of a good artwork is made of.
We know famous 16th-19th century painters were all healthy in body and mind 🙂
They did what they could do at that time and settings. Or maybe their thrive was to destroy themselves, thus creating famous paintings?
When youre not busy capsulating your flow of creative energy onto paper, including the thinking of how you gonna do it, its best to not become caught in that state amd.move to something else. Perhaps the energy is moving you towards sleeping, try to master that for the next 8 hours or how many sleep cycles you need.
It's so cheap but I still can't afford it lol
Is that a 6L price?
It might be cheaper to buy a base one and 6 socket it then link with Morrigan, not sure, I'd have to go check
It's 15c for a non-6l
But I don't even have that yet xD
It's ok though because this way I'll have a goal to set for myself
Yea morrigan is slightly cheaper but that means a fight I have to win
Oh and ofc I'm broke anyway xD
Morrigan?
A beast you can capture with einhar
Funny big (and rare) beast, has a few special recipes to it, such as 6 linking.
wasn't there a scarab or something that makes it so that it spawns in the map.. if it has einhar in it?
That's gone now I'm pretty sure
Ah, probably
I don't really keep track of the changes that well
got the 2d - 3d workflow down woohoo
Hmm
in 25minutes my ships come back
i guess I'll wait for that before going to sleep
hm.
i an keeping my eye on you
your style is unironically perfect for a game deias and i are working on, i should learn how to draw like that
Well
get on it then 
mmm
what program did you use for this?
I use clip studio paint with anti aliasing turned off to make the pixel art. Then I use a vectorizer to upscale it.
I use aseprite for color swapping if need be.
i could walk you thru my process.
Im also open to projects rn as long as i have time to work on my main project.
the project isn’t anywhere far enough along for art to be on the priority list
it’s likely the last thing that will be done
i did write smth publicly available that’s in the style of the game’s writing tho
so i’m making progress i swear
if thats the case. Then my biggest advice would be to focus on making small games.
The last thing you want to do is have a big project and no workflow.
If you can make a solid game in a few days, you're far more likely to succeed on anything substantial.
For ex. My roguelike project I plan to knock out in two weeks once I have the funding. I have a programmer lined up for it that I've made games with in the past.
Making games is pretty fast once you have your workflow down.
it’ll be small dw
the entire project is already planned
there’s room for expansion but it can also be kept small
Ye, practice games are still good to do tho.
Cause they help you learn to work as a team. And you iron out any issues prior to knocking something real out.
this IS the practice game
Ic
It'd pretty much just be the two of us and due to it being small in scope and not having to worry about deadlines and interfering with work hours we have a lot of freedom
i’m handling the writing (because i’m really good at that), likely the art, whereas deias is handling the programming and we’re managing design together
Ye, i like gamejams tho cause they have deadlines.
They force ya to get the ball rolling.
Iirc, my first game was made in 3 days.
the writing is the most core aspect
and i refuse to write that much in “three days”
my wrists would die
Deadlines make me incapable of doing anything :D
also the genre of game we’re working on is very niche
you said you wanted sonething in my style tho.
If ya ever want to learn my process im more than happy to sit down and go over it.
Just for future reference
that’s not what i was getting at
idr need to learn your game making process or anything
i really just meant that the 2d tile style works really well for what we’re working on
and that i should learn how to make that look nice, like you do
Oh nah im just going on a tangent from earlier.
also my output is high but it’s not THAT high
10k words a day is really my max
horrified at the thought of a deadline lol. i’d just write and write and do nothing else until it’s done
#🎨┃fanart message
@desert jasper let me guess,,, Him?
Oh... I found the key word and that reference back. Cyberpunk...
🤔 From the same artist who give me inspiration of neo-gothic golden church. That's another reference which match with Ave's imagination...
same same but different
"inspired" I guess

Which game?
Warhammer 40,000: Darktide
This world never lack of pros 😆 (this is one of concept artists who worked on Warhammer 40000: Darktide)
Can't find any concept environment art for this game unfortunately... All of them just character art
Oh their official ins is helpful
I should buy that at some point then
I'm thinking should I spend 0.5h on subway to eat meatballs in IKEA or just ride 15 mins to eat stir-fry beef noodles... @blissful token which one is your choice?
Stir fry beef noodle
Oh let me see which ice cream available in IKEA now
I personally dont like to spend alot of time to get food
Chocolate or Avocado. Alright I'm not interested in both of them
Let's go to grab beef noodles 
Beef noodles sound good
But all I have are these extra spicy buldak noodles
Oh not noodles. That's a type of rice noodles.
Rice in China = bread/potatoes in Europe
The tradition is eat rice here so rice products are popular and various
I start to eat. Bon petite :)
Sweet
Pog
Any Civilization gamers got a vested opinion on civ VII?
Haven't really looked at it since the stunted launch, now there's a sale + cool updates apparently so maybe it's worth
If you like Civ you’ll like it
It’s definitely pretty different than Civ 6, you’ll have to relearn some things, but it really is just “another Civ game”
(I also recommend looking at the game Humankind)
Chinese version of Poe not start the same league until tomorrow
A week later, I can say that
https://b23.tv/Cop2XPR
@stark pier @blissful token
Why are they can grow up in slower speed only... This video reveal the case completely.
(This is my case too, lots of people have the same feeling, it mean a lot. So I share that)
i thought it was fine when i played it, but i haven't played it since tbh so I guess it didn't really stick with me
One c in trade btw
Is you need only 3-4 stats 6 link this league its hella cheap
And here I am running with 5 link xdd
I should get a chest at least ,weapon double my damage last night preggy tree is awesome 
Didn't land the 21/20 vaal ground slam
instead the double corrupt hit 19/20 vaal
I still need a few items to achieve pure 100k dmg >.> + Eternal lab
But next upgrades are just pure divines...
What build are you playing?
No idea which magic this food company did, but this package of fried beans is extremely yummy. More yummy than I expected... Quite satisfying
88g per bag. Well... 44g is disgesting I think
I could go for some beans
They're fried broad beans and fried white pea beans
Rich fried black garlic/fried garlic flavour within
fried
I eat all junk food which Van will not eat in weekdays, yes
I mean it's fried, not fired
😂 😂 😂 ....hhhhhhhhhh thanks. I made a new joke again
fired beans sounds quite funny, I admit
assa dex stacking cobra lash
so till i have way to push chaos it's basically all-poison or pure critical elemental cobra lash
Ah
yea that's gonna be awkward
welp with elusive and critical my dps would became 300k and still without these 2-3 items i would need so with tem it would probably higher
Ofc the first 6l I drop is a useless 6l
technically no L6 unique is useless but depends which part of the game
this league tho drop and make unique L6 trough gamble tree is way faster than making one trough craft
Apparently the non-graft version is 60c
I wish poe can allow me to shatter my gears to get currencies for reroll amounts and colour and links of sockets
You can by selling them
Such a pity these items can be destoryed only
If you find a 6l chest you can get 20 fusings
U think ? How is this helps my flicker lol I m am axe spec but maaaan
Hello there
I'm trying to get more into ARPGs while having a learning experience
I'm playing PoE 1 and Last Epoch
But I was trying to get more into the community for the genre as a whole
A while back I tried to join a server called ARPG Vault
But as soon as I tried to join, I was banned by the bot
Does anyone here know how can I get around this or talk to a mod in there?
'Cause now I can't even try to join
It's important to note that I was not spamming. I actually never got to really enter the server
U can still acces server just not talk in it , get hold of a mod should be top right users
I don't think this is the right place to ask about other server stuff
also that happened way over an year ago already 🤔
That wizard just screams that it's gonna throw a fireball or two at me
Or maybe help me grill some meat
I need help. Built a new PC and tried Kubuntu Linux and I fking hate it-
Trying to get windows 11 i stalled and having trouble wiping my HDD anyone smart with this stuff?
@twilit mountain https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3874760
Eh. Nice for those who have complaints ig, I'm genuinely not bothered by the state of it in the slightest rn
I cannot. I can't even join it
Yep, but up until now I can't still join the server because I banned for no reason at all (I literally got banned as soon as I entered it) and it still bothers me. Also, I wanted to get in because I'm playing post PoE and LE now and I wanted to get deeper into ARPGs
If you use the windows media creation tool to make a USB and then boot through that usb windows will give you an option to format the drive before it installs windows
Basically you shouldn't have to worry about wiping your HDD, windows will do it for you when you try to install it
lol alright... The fate doesn't want me to win or even just have a seat in the 1st poe 2 fan art competition. Maybe they prefer incoming neo-gothic artwork to necropolis.
But it let me to improve my efficiency, a good try on completing something in 1 day... So I learnt something too
On the other hand, not much contents in poe 2 can inspire me before they release all acts and add more maps for the endgame 🤷♀️
I still think this part, protect the mobile switch is quite tough especially at the end because I can't move and 2 cold totems keep shooting at me. They reduce my health quickly (And enemies drops a bunch of loots... Visual block)
Not sure how accessible it is on controller, but I find that disabling loot labels in hectic fights with Z tends to help with focus.
(and then forget to turn them on for ages)
Mariah Carey posting all I want for Christmas on the first of November should be a crime lmao
No lootfilter club 
(It‘s horrible with the league mechanic later)
I finished Devil May Cry 5 and definetly recommend it If If you like action and some anime.
I didn't believe first because graphics are still amazing today
and fave cutscene 
Kirra. A filter. Please gods get a filter.
Yes kirra search neversink filter
Alternatively someone can probably provide you with a filter
It would probably crash her game
mostly ye a
but there is that funny situation where u cant even walk becouse of items
I can't remember last time I did a blighted map tbh
Ah yea
I need to do some delving actually
I had forgotten how much I hate some delve nodes
like the undead rhoa nest one
4 deaths in poorjoys when I was at 97% when I started it 
I love delve I can play the whole league lol
Al my characters how delve on atlas tree even before Kirac
I enjoy most of Delve
Was atlas tree a thing before Kirac? 🤔
I honestly can't remember
I think they mean they take delve pts in the tree before taking kirac pts , no ?
Yep
Ah, right
Don't really care for map completion rather set a good azurite pool
Well sulphite really
What I don't like in delve & heisting that it doesn't progres your mapping / bossing
Because you're not doing atlas while you're doing that content
Sure, you can get maps while doing it but you're not running them
But sometimes it's nice to just set time for them
But u get the xp witch is Ur char development it's easier to do it at lets say level 80 instead like 68-62 when u get to maps
Also yea delve if u have completed some maps ,can drop maps very nicely
I was like ... 75 or 74 when I got to maps on my alt this time
My favourite thing is trash curency stacking to ,u need to roll u Maps when u get to yellows already
And having to chaos them is annoying I prefer scour alch
Yea it's easier this league if u stoping for breaches xp go brrrr
Also I noticed the have a very high gem xp rares like the first reworked ones
I can't resist breach
I see one, I do it
At one point I was overlvld in the story so I didn't get breach for like 3-4 zones
I abused the hell of it when I got to BA lasted like 10 levels
Breach in poo1 feels like abyss in poo2
I just keep resting zones from town since mostly it's at the exit
Pretty much yea ,I like that they went with this overwhelming combat instead dancing with something tanky with starter character
And I personally want to thank the team or dev that left souleaters out
I think I saw like one there and pretty sure it was dragged from zone
Is some silly regen mods on some of them but that's ok at least they don't get deadlier every kill
I prefer the abyss of poe2 to abyss of poe1 tbh
Or the style of it.
What I don't prefer is some of the abyssal monsters in poe2
like the ones that have that dmg immunity every few seconds is dumb as shit
and if you get the 2 spear wielding ones as a legion it's also awful
the one affix on them that makes hem spread chaos dot at their feet is one of the worst things if you're playing a melee character
Yea abyss also got reworked and it feels a bit odd to me now in poe1 ,also that mob that flickers for every single hit is atrocious
That MF with souleater is most annoying shit I ever seen u can only get like 1-2 hits in before its gone in to imunne again
I don't know
I feel breach & abyss are very different
It feels like not the mechanic but the base engine of the fight is the same in breach Poe 1 and abyss from Poe2
They carried over the structure of mechanic
Also we don't have same onion layers of defence mechanics in games so that's why abyss in Poe2 feels a bit more scarier
Tbh I should probably fix the defenses on my slayer
He gets slapped a little too easily
I need to get on POB and go bleed on my flicker it's getting there level 86 now need las lab
Every time I get on I just start blasting maps now I have full delve bar with is going to take me good 4 hours to drain
Need a new axe with bleed to ,mine is still blasting blues and a lot of rates with one tap
Good axes are super cheap this league
I felt kinda dirty for getting a 750dps one for 50chaos
ooh another div from shipment
Thanks ritual
That was like 1 & half divs worth
@twilit mountain Broken bridge in act 7 have a waypoint or not?
Just a quick question.
Find the waypoint of a map in campaign become more and more annoying...
alright, no.
If the area has a waypoint you haven't found it shows icon like on the map
what about when I'm in this map?
poe can't show this one and character icon at the same circle
Open the world map, and hover over where you are
If there is a blue symbol next to the name
The icon after the area name also shows if there's a waypoint.
There is a wp
vlad do you play dnd at all?
Thanks a lot
Never notice a mini icon is here
Pinging Deias for that is really funny
Sadly no
Never got into it younger, and got no irl friend playing it
I just joined a DnD campaign :D
(Technically hasn’t started yet)
noice!
It's pretty fun, you said you wanted to be a tester so I had some ideas I was gonna bounce off ya.
:v oh well
why
It’s just such a small thing
Any people here that can recommend a chill stream of someone playing a game? I am used to watching grubby, whom i love and want to explore more
i like nookrium, i'm not sure when he streams tho. i usually have to watch his youtube
I mostly watch VTubers TBH
music feeds the soul and seal your wounds
Pretty right. It's the effect from whatever soundtracks you likes
tq 2 increase the price after Nov. 11th so it's on sale now
For slay the spire it's baalorlord.
This will be changing from EUR/USD 29.99 to EUR/USD 34.99, effective November 11, 2025. This was the first wave and is in effect until further notice.
they had same price with poe2
5$ is not too much imo but new players who seek for ARPGames will think twice bcs If we don't count diablo, tq2 has highest price
W for last epoch
No, Poe 2 is much more expensive because you need to purchase stash pages
but they are giving you points in poe2 bundle, you can buy few stashs and much more If you wait discounts
depends on country, inflation, life standards... yes and no, I won't argue that 
I pretty dislike games which have Chinese exclusive version because it mean I must afford expensive exchange rate (Chinese yuan : US dollars) to get pure experience in English community.
Chinese version have Chinese only, which mean it's isolated and I can communicate with Chinese only. But most of Chinese don't have time or good hardware to explore a game for a long time (life limitation).
I want to keep improving English and observe the difference between different languages/countries on logic.
USD : CNY = 1:7. 1219 
$1 = 7 chinese yuan?
btw your english is not bad
better than my english 
Oh her English is pretty bad.
It is, yeah.
LE is $34.99 USD
@candid sage meanwhile my shaman xD
looks like a proper shaman
@cyan sonnet The krafton ai announcement didn't mention subsidiaries at all from what I can see. It was mostly about how they would use and develop it in-house.
https://www.krafton.com/news/press/크래프톤-ai-first-기업-전환-선언-1000억-원-이상-투자/
Btw they have a website dedicated to ai where they talk about how they use it in games, currently inzoi and PUBG have some implemented/in the works:
https://www.krafton.ai/en/use-cases/
https://krafton.com/en/more-experience/ai/
good to know there is a use cases page. The pubg uses don't bother me and are more or less acceptable uses imo. The GenAI in inzoi though is what really blows. So long as it mostly stays away from last epoch I have no complaints.
I personally think the inzoi thing is kinda cool. People usually use it to put themselves and family/friends (and I guess whoever they want) in the game without having to spend 3 hours tweaking a character creator, I don't see why it's so bad. And for the clothes thing they have premade textures and stuff but they can't cover every possible type of clothing so they have it as an extra option. I personally don't really see the issue but if maybe there's something I'm missing I'd be more than happy to learn
"Generative AI is bad in the artistic sense cause it is not creative, it is just replicative. It creates from analyzing and tagging past works and then replicating what it things would be tagged the way the prompt wants. So it is inherently dependent on humans producing art first, then looking at the art and replicating it.
Morally AI is bad cause it gets trained on pirated art. Artists live by selling and licensing their art. It is a bad enough attitude for humans to pirate art for their own personal pleasure, but a huge company pirating millions of artworks to use without a license in building an AI model is quite clearly an affront. Of course the artists lose, they lose license money, they lose recognition, and then they even fain competition from programs replicating their works.
That doesn't mean the concept or development of AI is a bad thing or a bad idea. It is progress and it can help us humans be more productive. The problem is that AI is crashing a lot of the status quo in Copyright Laws and accountability for content, and we as society have no plan on how to response to that." from a person that is able to say it more succinctly than I.
I mean it's creating textures, which aren't the most creative thing ever anyway no? Like a denim texture while sure you might be able to add some creative details is not the same as a whole model/piece of art imo
And even if it did generate let's say art that your npc can paint is that really so bad? Instead of cycling thought the same maybe 20 paintings someone spent an hour per on you'll be able to have however many since they're generated on the spot
Like these aren't things people pour their heart into in general. Obviously someone could pour their heart into some random painting a character can randomly roll but I think you get my point
I think people take too much of a black and white stance on this honestly, if it can reduce the boring grunt work for artists why not
I don't think we will end up seeing eye to eye on this. I will agree to disagree. I have more than a handful of Artist friends that have lost jobs to genAI so I am not entirely unbiased.
Well yeah it'll obviously reduce workload, but I don't think that's an inherently bad thing either. It's like the invention of the crane reduced the need to have 10 people pull on a pulley all day. Obviously it really sucks for the people who got fired but people get fired from all kinds of technological advancements, not just things that have to do with AI and robots or whatever
Like I don't think cranes are evil, or packaging machines that replace people having to stand on a conveyor line doing one menial task over and over for hours on end. People might see AI as being different but I honestly don't (you can for sure do bad things with AI, but inherently it's not bad is my point)
writing and reading is fine, I'm bad at speaking and listening because they're not training consistently
it requires time, dont give up 
I made a truck.
I can see the reason after I start to watch house of cards. Too less tv series and films I watched
Especially... Concept art because it's what AI good at. The tool can generate 70 different chairs easily but if you learn by yourself... It take a long time.
The essence of concept art is give ideas, tons of ideas.
I can agree to it having a use in concept art so long as the finished product is completely human made
I don't think Generative AI is good at concept art, because concept art requires actually novel thought to create new and unique concepts. We all know I'm generally pro-AI (with the caveat that the copyright discussion is something that needs addressing), but even I will admit concept art is a particular area where generative AI will always strugggle.
See while I don’t think it is good at it, I do feel it is one of the more appropriate places for it to be used
Concept art, aka Conceptualizing, is something that requires human creativity as input to create something truly new that AI has never been trained on.
AI can create derivative art easily enough, but that will always be derived from existing artworks.
To me, good concept art challenges the boundaries of what we've already experienced. It should try to bring unique and fresh ideas to the table.
I will say their references always scary on amounts...
Lots of inputs are needed to create an architecture
and they need to learn various ways to output what are they input
Generative AI is better used as a tool to generate blueprints, templates or processes for creativity, IMO especially when it comes to complex creative outputs like concept art. Not as a means to replace your own creativity.
It's fine when people who lack the creativity for these tasks use AI (I'd definitely be one of those people), but if you are a professional concept artist, you can do better than AI.
It looks quite cool when standing tables in IKEA still stay on 2 legs
more reasonable on prices too
Ai is used by pros.
They save time. And time is money.
Its already causing layoffs in the art industry
Indeed, it's a useful tool to use as a companion.
I myself use AI as a tool in my software engineering job, too.
I think it's important to recognize where its weaknesses are and adapt it to your workflow in a way that doesn't compromise on the quality of your work.
Once you do that, you start to work with AI in a more meaningful way that enhances your productivity.
The problem i see coming is that there's gonna be a bigger divide between entry level artists and professionals.
Ai is removing entry level jobs, what happens when the current pros age out.
yes, the gap is bigger and bigger... Professionals can survive well not only they have good talents but also they have more connections and resources
What an interesting design is
It's an eventually self-correcting problem. The software engineering job market has been experiencing this same issue even before the rise of LLMs. It has had the same up and down hiring swings when it comes to the entry level job market. If the quality of produced goods go down over time, consumers will be the first to let you know with their wallets and businesses producing slop will have a hard time selling it, forcing themselves to reevaluate their creative processes.
If it turns out that AI-generated art becomes so good over time that it's no longer considered "slop" by the majority of people who consume it, that means AI is generating "good art" and that's not a bad thing, right? It's bad that people are displaced and out of work, but that's a story as old as human history and has nothing to do with AI specifically.
And of course... I was curious to expand my perspective on this argument and decided to get some supplementary info from Claude, and I actually find myself agreeing with your concerns to an extent lol
I think this is a sensible take that validates both sides of the argument. I really think governments should be stepping in to manage this transition.
I find that interesting, considering some people's job at companies is to make concept art (concept artists). How come replacing their participation in the final product is more appropriate but other aspects not? This is not meant as a gotcha or anything I'm trying to see things from a different perspective since we don't seem to fully agree on the topic.
Like would giving human made concept art to an AI that then puts out a finished product be worse? If so why?
Claude asking me some really hard questions here lmao
Sorry I’ve been relatively sick with gastroenteritis today so haven’t been answering as thoroughly as I’d like to be. Essentially what I meant was using it to generate like first draft concept art/drum up ideas from the bin it has accumulated. Concept artists would flesh it out a bit more, then other artists would take it from there in scenarios where concept artists are separate from the other artists. Probably still not voicing my thoughts properly but that is closer to what I meant.
I'm also curious about Cyborg's last question. What about giving human-made concept art to be fleshed out into a final product by AI?
These kinds of nuances are fascinating to me and I'm always happy to learn others' perspectives.
I see, I still feel like someone would need to do that work if the AI didn't so instead of having 5 concept artists you might only need 3 now, so you're still replacing people with AI in this situation. Regardless I hope you get well soon, I think there's a reasonable middle ground we could agree on somewhere but I'll leave it for another time ^^
Yeah same here. I don't think people's worries are meritless but I wonder if it was like this during stuff like the industrial revolution or whenever some other big invention replaced tons of people. Like when the printing press came out did people employed to copy papers and books feel the same way?
Like nowadays nobody would be like yeah printing presses suck, how could they replace those poor people's jobs.
I feel like it'll be similar with AI honestly. That in some amount of years when it's been around for a while people will adapt around it and it'll no longer be viewed as bad by pretty much anyone.
I know there's the creative aspect when it comes to AI that isn't a factor in a lot of other examples but if that's such a big deal there will remain a market for human made art and things like that I think.
My tldr take on AI is it should be used to make the employees’ lives easier, not solely the employer’s wallet fatter.
Yeah this is the exact thing Claude was helping me understand earlier. Claude made a good point that I admittedly didn't give too much consideration in my own thought process. I was always comparing and equating the AI job displacement to past circumstances like with the printing press. But Claude made a really good point that this both targets a large number of fields simultaneously and it targets the learning ladder within those fields which leads to a potentially dangerous recipe where market forces might take too long to correct the situation before serious damage is done to human lives.
We're playing catch-up. AI tools are good on pre-education for childrens on the combination between historical stories and interactions from the modern or keeping memories and historical info in an eternal way, or improving efficiency for necessary chores or works or driving. It will let more people to enjoy convenient life as AI products are spreading like swapper, auto-driving, washing machines, dishwasher etc.
On the other hand, AI tools are swallowing entry-level jobs, which mean a disaster for unemployed people due to current job markets are toxic enough already. More people are passed by the competition of AI means less money they can hold, more unstable the society is, higher rate on crime, more pressure on feeding the old.
Artists are scared by their works will be stolen for training AI because it mean they will lose the copyright, an important way to get incomes. No laws for how AI tools should train their models yet so they're still free. More artworks from pros they stolen, more powerful these tools are, more dangerous the case artists in.
But how come that's not the case for a ton of other inventions? The thing is to operate a tool you need to be trained on it. Someone who copies books by hand could be trained to work on a printing press but regardless you needed like 200 people doing it manually and now you only need 1 operating a press, so a ton of people lost their jobs even if the tool made the job easier and didn't completely automate it (you still need an operator for a printing press).
Why are printing presses not unethical?
I feel like this applies to other examples like the printing press too though? It made it so people no longer really know how to write things by hand nearly as well as before so if something changes and goes wrong they won't really know what to do since they no longer have the knowledge
That is an unfortunate example there since before the printing press it was essentially still just the 1 person copying books by hand and due to that there were significantly fewer books and they weren’t widely available. That said I get what you meant lol
Like if some letter changed how it looks when everything was done with quills or whatever the people would quickly adapt and change it. While with a printing press you gotta manufacture the new letters die, install it and train people on how to use it etc
So it would take longer to adapt
I think the scope and impact of AI might still be too broad. Things to consider is how many jobs are displaced and how quickly are they being displaced.
I think it's normal and okay to phase out jobs for labor that can be performed by AI.
But it does need to be managed.
It wasn't though, yeah there were fewer books because even if there were 200 people copying per press the press produced like 20000 people worth of books in the same amount of time if that makes sense
The cost in human livelihood of such displacement should weigh heavily.
It was more of a manpower and money shortage than anything
Books were always in high demand, but the supply was simply too low because human labour is expensive
Since you couldn't hire peasants to do it, they had to be literate
So they were paid a decent wage
And sure AI has a bigger impact than maybe any other technological advancement but I don't think that should change the fundamental ethics of it tbh
If something is bad it's bad even when small
I strongly agree with the idea that copyright laws need to catch up. I don't think it's okay for anyone to train an AI model on copyrighted works that they don't have permission to use for that purpose.
Yeah laws are still so far in the past for sure
If someone trains their AI on your art without your consent you should be able to take action imo
In fact, I would even go further and say that if such strong copyright laws already existed, AI wouldn't be as widespread as it is today because today's models were trained almost entirely on content that they were not licensed to use in that way.
So while I think AI is good, I think the way in which it was introduced to the world was bad.
They should only be able to train ai on art they've licensed, purchased, or made. Or that is public domain (this is a type of licensing)
100% agreed. And when laws reflect that in reality, then you create a business for artists to license their artworks to AI companies.
That is how you reach the path of ethical AI art.
Consent.
I think it would've been slowed down for sure but I think it'd reach the same point in the end anyway, just a little later
For sure, I just hate how this really cool technology came into popularity by effectively stealing its training data.
Yep agreed, it put it in a really bad light and now I feel like people think it's objectively evil just because of people using it to do things that should be illegal
It's like nobel and dynamite almost lol, good invention meant for one thing (mining and industrial applications) that ended up being used for something else that people thought was really bad (war) and the inventor ended up being hated for it
like during his time nobel was seen as a super bad guy, only after his death did his image start to change
That's so crazy, I knew nothing about this.
yep
I think it's a pretty accurate parallel in some ways
If AI was used for non-scummy applications and trained on data they rightfully owned from the get-go I don't think it would be seeing nearly as much hate if any tbh
Yeah, I truly am not a fan of Sam Altman and OpenAI. I had respect for OpenAI as a non-profit research company. It's something completely different now.
That's why to me you shouldn't hate AI as a concept or invention, but the people misusing it (even if it seems like everyone's misusing it)
A lot of people seem to have the stance that if AI is used at all it's bad, which I think is unfair
Yep, I effectively see Microsoft/OpenAI as bad actors in the AI space. Sure, they move the technology forward, but they do it at the cost of its image and reinforce the negativity that is associated with AI today.
I expect it's just a matter of when the AI investment bubble pops. Eventually investors are going to realize that AI is not anywhere close to realizing the potential being promised by some of these companies (Microsoft/OpenAI is literally trying to sell investors the promise of AGI "soon")
and it'll be bad too, Nvidia is apparently 16% of the US gdp
I pretty afraid of I will replace by AI because I have nothing can be compete with that. I don't have both of crazy level of talent and stable income to learn AI tools and use them in part of my workflow...
What can do is learn as more as possible. Learn anything.
:(
Is it? Never realized it was that much... hard to believe, actually. S&P500 will take a hit, I fully expect it to. It will recover, just don't know how long that'll take. I think most people have the majority of their retirement money in S&P500 (I myself also invest most of my money in Vanguard's VFIAX which tracks the performance of the S&P500).
All of my dad's government retirement money is in S&P500 too, basically. He's retiring this month, heh.
i can't remember where i read it or saw it, but it was said if the ai bubble pops it'll be 4 times worst than the 2008 housing crisis
Yeah I agree that the investment bubble is probably massive at this point.
Yeah I do think there's a lot of overinvestment in it
Sooner or later, investors are going to notice that AI advancement has stagnated.
And with enough time, that money in AI is going to get pulled out.
Unless we see some major breakthroughs in the current limitations of LLMs
Funnily enough, that Burry guy (proponent of the housing crisis, Christian Bale acts as him in the Big Short film) has betted 1 billion against Nvidia recently
But I need AI too because it's quite good at making me happy when I'm sad without bothering people. It solve the lonely/helpless issue well
VFIAX (basically S&P500) for the past 3 years. That includes the big decline in 2022. It's insane lol
There's no way this was gonna stay this high for so long. It's gonna burst eventually.
yeah i think it's bound to happen
the rich will get richer and the poor poorer, as it was, as it were, as it will be
or however the phrase goes
as it was, as it is, as it will be i think?
everyone want to be the rich but not everyone have the chance be the rich. Cruel and realistic
Fuxking poor.
in other news eu5 is pretty fun imo, hoping to do a multiplayer session this weekend (but I doubt we'll finish, game's long lol)
I would try it if I didn't have a grudge against Paradox and the years of their greedy monetization practices
fair. they've gotten slightly better. the ck3 and vic3 stuff has been good
i hear stellaris isn't doing so hot though but i don't like stellaris
I've only played Stellaris as far as their games go, and that experience just left me feeling salty about Paradox as a studio and publisher.
Stellaris is a good game, but the monetization strategy really sucks.
i just find stellaris really boring for some reason
I keep buying these cheap indie games I either don't play or barely play. What's wrong with me lol
i think the most recent indie game i bought was tavern keeper
Yup, bought that one too yesterday lmao
Got it with the Game Dev Tycoon bundle, because it was actually cheaper than buying just Tavern Keeper alone lmao
lol
game dev tycoon is kinda meh, tavern keeper is cool though
i played through most of the campaign i think but then eu5 came out
and i have 25 hours in eu5 now lol
I find it hard to refuse these kinds of ratings lol
Could be an interesting game to wind down in bed with on my Steam Deck
it has a really well done intro cinematic
Also heard that it was a narrated experience as well, with good doses of comedy.
yeah campaign is, dunno about freeplay
Haven't booted up the game yet, but definitely high up on my list of new games to try soon
Ah, wasn't even aware there was differences.
Still, I'll give the campaign a try for sure.
i wouldn't know the differences, i haven't tried freeplay yet
but campaign has been funny so far
now i'm just waiting on transport fever 3 for my next big simulation/strategy game
Hopefully I can be the most ridiculous and inept tavern keeper lol
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3949040/RV_There_Yet/
Another light multiplayer game, which is excellent in terms of sales like peak
Im so tempted to play LoL but resisting... I hate it
lil robo dude.
https://youtu.be/yVhKvl0s6Bs
I knew there was a reason I'm still playing for Warhammer+
oh that reminds me, the vampire survivors devs are making a Warhammer Survivors in conjuction with the boltgun devs
er, collaboration
Yep, Warhammer Survivors is already on my wishlist :)
The weather with the sun is crazy hot. 30c now because of the sunlight
I doubt it's winter or it's summer now
Paint ices let me feel more 🆒 😎
Completed 40%.
I never see ices in this shape too... Thanks for the reference.
Appreciated.
Someone did THE oopsie
What else is there to do at position 1