#📚┃off-topic

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twilit mountain
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Niiiice. I'm paused in A2 lol, just finished up with bonfire. Didn't quite get to my traditions fully (couldn't get the energy together to carve) but enough to be happy

desert jasper
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I couldn't actually sleep because sensor kept going off that bloodsugar dropping too low
But it turned out to just be malfunctioning tom

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Ended up running to act6

twilit mountain
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The sensor was telling you to log tf in

desert jasper
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I guess it was
Dmg is fine currently
My res are in a terrible shape though

twilit mountain
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Nub are you on rn?

desert jasper
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And back to trying

fierce moth
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groleshades Get enough finally. I'm angry that the neighbour have made huge noise when close to 9:00

fierce moth
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Oh. and... Maybe I bet something right.

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Quite sunny now... But time to go outside

mental talon
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Made it to Red maps, Exarch and Eater tomorrow Bedge time tho

fierce moth
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Gregory Someone in the game party is come back from US... Interesting

blissful token
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Where Wind Meet 7mil pre-registrstion ooo

fierce moth
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:(
All people I can met in real life by events whose work in game industry are game designers, game publishers or game editors

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I wonder how to meet game artists 😔

desert jasper
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Finally waking up again 🥱

fierce moth
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https://b23.tv/oy4nCgp
@blissful token What the English term for this type of physical models is?

Character... Character models? Oh... 3d prints? Emmmm 3d character prints?

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Tencent transferred the act 3 final boss to physical models for selling

blissful token
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figurine? merchandise?

deft crest
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Tornados hit them assssssssssssssssssssssss BOSS here 😄

fierce moth
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16c... Never imagine I can enjoy this temperature. 24c here

fierce moth
fierce moth
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None of mini stuff can't attract me

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Alright, options on le merch wishlist +1

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Maybe Muffin will interested in exploring that

hot crown
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For a moment I read "Unicool" without an "i". 🤨

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"Beer goggles, blind!"

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(but without the beer)

fierce moth
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I can't understand the gensis tree completely, but yes this new passive tree is as like as weaver tree in le

fierce moth
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Alright meet bugs are unavoidable in a new league even it's GGG...

neon sigil
sand wigeon
twilit mountain
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Bugs are present in every piece of published software, game or otherwise, it is basically impossible to never have one ever.

neon sigil
jade jackal
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How many knives would i get pointing at me claiming that sharing such thing in a gaming subreddit is a little off

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(or really any subreddit)

fierce moth
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This weekend is a bit busy. I just can't have plenty of time to grind poe. Plus most of poe players have played that for years, I guess inflation I must face will just go harder than poe 2

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desert jasper
fierce moth
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I found a new way to eat fruit while I went shopping in a supermarket yesterday. Taste good too :)

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Just fruit. So if it's a apple strip, the ingredient is apple only

placid yarrow
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I mean, fruits can be considered candy I guess but I wouldn't call it that

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Depends on what they did to the apple though I guess, 100% apple can still be 100% sugar if the sugar came from apples

fierce moth
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Oh good. I like fruit candy.

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In a glasses shop and waiting the eye testing groleshades

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The leg of current one is too loose

neon sigil
placid yarrow
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is that what that is though

neon sigil
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It is

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Still got good stuff in it tho. Just sweet.

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Iirc, fruit leather is a good source of fiber.

fierce moth
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What the most fashion girls here are doing. No idea what is that

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Oh Yes. Exclusive traditional architecture here. I'm more interested in them :)
(Trash phone. So can't be more clear)

desert jasper
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Hooray
managed to stabilize a breach
and it spawned a soul eater
can't kill that one

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Also my assassin is feeling super squishy and monsters hitting me instantly stuns me

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And not a fan of the treasurer hideout decor constantly mocking

sand wigeon
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@desert jasper in your opinion how’s the league

sand wigeon
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the state of “candied” refers to a specific thing

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fruit leather is just mashed/pulped/blended fruits that are then dehydrated

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they’re not candied in any way, and do not necessarily require additional sweeteners or anything

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it’s an okay source of fiber but so is just eating an apple. just eat lentils and beans and stuff if you want fiber

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fruit leather is awesome as an energy and trail snack because the sugar will process into energy overtime which is why it’s so good for travel and stuff

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which is what makes it healthy (sugary things aren’t unhealthy)

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but i wouldn’t say fiber is like a key selling point of if. it’s like saying i get more tea per tea if i eat a tea cube

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technically true but it’s not going to be fun

desert jasper
# sand wigeon <@140257855465848832> in your opinion how’s the league

The league itself seems fun
I think they should make a few changes to it. Like soul eater can just completely ruin the thing and during the league you get too little of the resource to even really use the tree properly. Like you get multiple drops every area that need to be put in the tree but you don't get the resource to activate them.

I'm also not sure what I'll do now since I spent like 14hours on 1 character and it feels kinda shit to play

sudden anchor
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Werent there different tones of skincolor for handgestures on discord before? I could have sworn i was using black ones frequently.

sand wigeon
desert jasper
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Also apparently melee has the issue that sometimes you just get ranged mobs chipping off the npc health

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I've also found like 5 bluepritns already

fierce moth
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I just come back to the front of my laptop after at outside 10h

sand wigeon
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as a melee only player

desert jasper
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Though I guess it's less problem for slams when you get your area big enough
but melee strikes might have problems with it

sand wigeon
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yeah i use stuff like whirlwind blades so

desert jasper
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And yeah, I usually go melee

fierce moth
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Hugging my cat when she hides in my quilt is quite satisfying :)

desert jasper
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Cats are wonderful

sand wigeon
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they are. nefarious

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idk what skill i want to play tbh

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i haven’t looked through poe skills in a while, i’ve forgotten most of them aside from your generic starting ones

junior oyster
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Ok time to continue a4

fierce moth
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😱 😱 😱 🤯 My Jesus... Seriously?! ||Zoe is murdered immediately after she finished her thoughts?!||

......... The twist is too shocking

sand wigeon
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what

fierce moth
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The tale in house of cards S2 E1

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Death threat from people who have powers. Too scary

junior oyster
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I love that Kirra gives no context xD

neon sigil
fierce moth
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LOVEAU sparkling water, infused with yuzu, lemon & lime. UNSWEETEDED. Zero calories and zero sugar.

Alright. Very healthy. But I can't adapt sparkling water as a drink yet groleshades

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Why British like producing something like that... Zero flavour except carbon dioxide :(

distant mica
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@fervent hazel i have an uber issue lol

fervent hazel
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kill - them - all

distant mica
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i usually wait until people need a uber kill and i bring em to mine

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or go to theres(if they have it set)

fervent hazel
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did they kill the general discussion or am i going insane? im not seeing it

desert jasper
mental talon
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Dude tree is the GOAT HOLY

fierce moth
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I'm in crypt after exploring maps blindly for a while again omegalul

No need to hurry up because I can't hurry up

twilit mountain
mental talon
junior oyster
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Meanwhile I'm still in acts

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Got rsi for playing too much

fierce moth
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groleshades Fane is a fake newbie

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I just found memory of act 2 back

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Maybe Alwheezy and Deias done with this league when I enter the endgame finally omegalul

twilit mountain
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No, I'm going quite slow

desert jasper
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I'm thinking wbout rolling a new character tbh
But not gonna be doing that today and tomorrow I've got a lot of calls to do so might go to later evening when I can start

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I guess it gives me enough time to think what I'd wanna run

junior oyster
fierce moth
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I think the campaign is pretty boring too

desert jasper
junior oyster
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Only just reached a8 lol

twilit mountain
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i have so much afk time already

desert jasper
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Yea tbh I wasn't that fast with the acts either
Did every single breach thing I saw while also talking about stuff on discord

twilit mountain
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My (now) girlfriend has been over all weekend so I've just been playing when we're not doing anything else xdd

desert jasper
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I wonder if groundslam of earthquaking is still strong 🤔
maybe slams will solve my issue

twilit mountain
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I dunno. Leap Slam of Groundbreaking is pretty good though lol

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Earthshatter is good as well

mental talon
desert jasper
twilit mountain
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Yea fair, I don't either

fierce moth
junior oyster
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I'm so used to poe2 not having flask I almost never use quicksilver

fierce moth
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I'm so used to poe2 targeting enemies automatically, I'm quite hard to go back to the handmade mode

twilit mountain
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It doesn't target automatically in PoE2?

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Wdym?

desert jasper
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maybe the controller is better in poe2
because she uses controller

twilit mountain
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Oh maybe

desert jasper
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Alright
Got the groundslam
Was gonna run a few labs for quality but 4 runs in row it didn't even give the option for quality lol
gonna do that tomorrow

abstract karma
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this league i was under mine average time since i stopped here or there and used build i havent ever used (poison based)

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full acts + initial map and 3 labs

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nothing extra but trying to do dexterity stack cobra lash

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new mechanic is OP tho (till they nerf it) you can easily make 5 / 6 link armors

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now i need chaos at least to buy new gear >.>

stone anvil
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trying jotunnslayer but weirdly game doesnt let me to take screenshot

junior oyster
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Does anyone have a good breach tree I can follow?

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Currently I have specced into armour cuz I want 6l chest until I get covenant 6l

maiden widget
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dont think theres one to copy just increase what you need and decrease what you dont then gamba

junior oyster
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Sadly no 6ls yet

warped wren
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They really need to tweak defense breach

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If you're not playing some crazy screen explode build, you're likely to get cooked in hives if you don't spawn enough defensive blessings

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Kinda annoying

desert jasper
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Alright
Ground Slam feeling pretty good
though I can notice the ranged monsters attacking the npc out from my range
and when I go & kill them the melee ones reach her from other side

warped wren
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yeah they are hopefully fixing that soon

desert jasper
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Yeah they released what we are working on
and one of the things is making the ranged ones get a bit closer before attacking

warped wren
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it's infuriating to lose the hive on the literal last wave

desert jasper
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I haven't even seen a hive
Then again, I've only ran like 5 maps and decided yeah I'm not playing this starter more

desert jasper
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I'll take it
Wish the fire was phys roll but eh whatever

abstract karma
fierce moth
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Do players in act 6-10 share the same town with players in act 1-5 in poe? I can't check out how many levels they are as like as poe 2.

desert jasper
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I've no idea
I think no?
but what does it matter really

fierce moth
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Nevermind, it's UI's fault. Keyboard one can show player levels but controller one can't

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I don't enjoy the campaign until I'm in act 3 tom Odd. Maybe because I can use pure chaos skills finally

fierce moth
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Facepalm So I can't use that until I can kill Izaro, alright

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So much restriction I have before act 6

real kayak
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are you new to poe 1 kirra?

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hope you enjoy it. it's A LOT to learn.

desert jasper
fierce moth
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Compare with any players here... Yes I'm a newbie in poe

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I have asked tons of silly questions before lol
It's better a lot after one year later, of course

abstract karma
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Rest of gems except awakened is in npcs with flask and jewels or in a3 library or in act 6

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if you dont play ssf then dont way literally many 1lvl cost one alchemy if its ruthless mode

fierce moth
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Alchemy orb...Opened poedb to check out which one is it... Oh I'm so poor that zero alchemy I have because I'm just reach the end of act 3

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Taking a break because it's the request from my neck

desert jasper
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The tree gave me my first div

fierce moth
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groleshades It's no way that it will not taste good

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It's Kinder cowboy butter seasoning

stone anvil
fierce moth
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Like that. Slow ms + handmade target slows the rhythm a lot, no idea how to balance the dodge for enemy's patterns and the offense from my skills

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hah... Forget I have quicksilver flask... I don't craft that yet

stone anvil
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btw how is wuthering waves

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people say it better than genshin impact

stone anvil
# fierce moth

I remember this boss, summoning many things, and transforming to demon,

like 3 or 4 phase, sheesh

abstract karma
# fierce moth

This is ruthless mode ? In this act you shouldnt have problem kill them, what weird build you trying

fierce moth
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hah... Poe's character animations acts odd and tricky to get adapt for me. Yes

fierce moth
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I pass that already but all combats in poe act like that

sudden anchor
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Looks hard to dodge/heal against this long. Can someone recommend an easy build for poe2? I wanted to mess with sorc, bloodmage, but i dont have the time and energy to figure it out by myself and wanna progress the Story in easy mode preferably

fierce moth
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ok just complete 1st trade in this league because I want a sage wand with increased spell damage and to chaos damage over time multiplier, 1 chaos orb for the deal

fierce moth
abstract karma
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Reason: outdated graphics >.>

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Dont look on me ive played these except infinite and d2/3 becuase blizzard making it stupidly complocated

stone anvil
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diablo 4 couldve been better...

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diablo story, trailers are so good, graphics are not bad, the game monsters, areas actually hype but I remember when Kripparrian played it first on youtube, the game didn't have lootfilters and organized stash tabs... but main reason why people hate this game imo is blizzard

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lmao, it is not coincidence

fierce moth
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lol yes it's not! hhhhh

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I never watch any of his videos until this one

desert jasper
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2nd div of the league
from shipment

candid sage
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did a thing for ball x pit

fierce moth
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shipment?

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?! It mean kingsmarch still in poe?

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groleshades I didn't go further enough to get tons of currencies in that league unfortunately

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Played a chaos build with wrong ascendency, it ruined everything

desert jasper
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No need to upgrade the place anymore
all buildings are fully done

abstract karma
fierce moth
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Huuuuuuuuu... Quite cold.
I said I want 16c here yesterday then... Well windy all day then and it's 15c now indeed groleshades

I'm happy for my clothes can be switched :)

distant mica
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Derrick 😄

distant mica
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1297% now 😄

fierce moth
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I just watch a guide video about how to make original Satay sauce, I think this sauce have the access to compare with Kinder seasoning... The same cause on sauce for Char Siu 🤔

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The common of them is... All of them for meat seasoning

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Oh...And XO sauce! Yes. I love that.

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Citric acid in dry seasoning? emmmm

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I wonder why rice concentrate is in multiple kinder products...

desert jasper
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Rice is cheap

fierce moth
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But no rice is more cheap

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Wow quite prime exactly. They know black garblic can bring special flavour

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I learnt I can add lemon peel/mustard seeds/milk powder/cane sugar (brown sugar)/black cherry juice on seasoning from Kinder.

dehydrated onion/dehydrated garlic or onion powder/garlic powder is common in commercial spices omegalul

distant mica
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URM Bear op much?

neon sigil
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🐴 i want to draw or play poe.
But instead I'm procrastinating on discord.

distant mica
twilit mountain
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Well that's annoying. Indigon more than doubled in price in under 12 hours.

twilit mountain
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Just means I have to farm longer ig. Irritating though.

fierce moth
desert jasper
fierce moth
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My brain can do one thing one time only

desert jasper
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Serious answer: you don't draw while you're playing

fierce moth
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🙃 I wish I can do both at the same time

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Or... sleeping when I'm drawing :)

desert jasper
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Well
If you try drawing while you're playing
You're not really playing
or you're not really drawing

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Sure, you can take a break from playing to draw
or break from drawing to play

neon sigil
gilded elm
fierce moth
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I can't hurt that at all... Quite unfortunate.

real kayak
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hurt his feelings by running away and ignoring him

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I love poe for the fact you can accidently juice up rares to the point of immortality

abstract karma
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worst thing is that if you manage kill this "uber" mob (this is einar monster tho) you drop from it nothing 😄

fierce moth
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Woke up from a dream just now. The dream is I join in an event which located in Hong Kong but I'm far away from this city so the school invited me to take a plane. I knew nothing about what will going on the hotel I will live. The roommate talked me it's a room with 6 beds. When I reached Hong Kong and taking a taxi go to the hotel, the sky is quite dark because a storm is happening. Heavy rain blur everywhere I can see.

Then... I'm awake.

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groleshades I just took a nap, never know this is a nap with a dream

fierce moth
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wow this hideout looks fancy, very cool

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groleshades lol tangled hideout looks very interesting, I like the interaction

sand wigeon
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some magic cards i made (i know the verbiage isn't 100% correct)'

fierce moth
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lol this hideout is quite unique... I mean why someone want a pure grass in the hideout...I'm confused

sand wigeon
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in case you want to go for a nature look?

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you can place tons of custom articles, there's trees and stuff

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you add it yourself

fierce moth
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🤔 top 3 hideout I likes (temporal list only)

  1. Tangled hideout
  2. #📚┃off-topic message I don't find its name yet
  3. Ravenous hideout
desert jasper
fierce moth
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yes it's a fantastic news :) Free hideout!

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Oh. Super simple. It's on the 1st one of the list

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Blingblingbling shining handrails.

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🤔 Wow a bunch of free assets available in the hideout stash to play error and trial, too cool

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A new gate is opened

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emmmmm.... I can't enter the waypoint after the big cage is placed, such a pity...

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Ok solved. It can become the motivation of everyone just enter this hideout must use their travel skill once time to go out the cage.

It will be an interesting interaction :)

hot crown
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You're into torture, I see.

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Matches well with poe's whole aesthetic, I guess.

quaint forge
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Classic

fierce moth
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The popular clam chest is live in poe too so I using that. I place it here because go upstairs to get my measure is a buff for their values psychologically.

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My crafting bench is on this direction so the stash on the same direction so I don't need to run

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I'm thinking which item is suitable to place behind the clam

real kayak
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if you wanna see other people's hideouts they've crafted

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some really cool ones

fierce moth
fierce moth
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:( bugs in poe 2 are more seriously.
The clam stash is gone, I want to summon it back from hideout stash, but the model is invisible and I can't move then. I'm trapped

real kayak
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there are some good ones lol

ebon meadow
junior oyster
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I mainly like the nier ones

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I don't know what nier is though

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As in what that game is all about

desert jasper
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Ah, Nier Automata
I enjoyed that

tawny sand
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i loved nier and nier: automata

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well except for the wall of text part in the first nier

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my eyes get tired reading the white text on black screen for a LONG time

obtuse rune
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Nier = amazing.

real kayak
junior oyster
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That's what I was referring to xd

real kayak
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2booty

fierce moth
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I want to test my skills on... Environment artist. Imagine how will an professional environment artist do with limited assets is what I'm doing

desert jasper
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I should actually fire up the nier automata soundtrack again

obtuse rune
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That entire soundtrack is amazing.

desert jasper
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Well
Almost all of it is

tawny sand
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what songs do you not like on it?

desert jasper
tawny sand
desert jasper
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There were like... 2 other ones too
but I can't remember those ones

sand wigeon
desert jasper
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I like them too
Not for what they show
but for what you can do if you've got the idea and skills

sand wigeon
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do something that isn’t losercore tbh

sudden anchor
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LOOKING for an app that lets a noob like me add cool giflike effects to pictures in a few minutes. Like adding laser shots

desert jasper
sudden anchor
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I have a cute nephew but on this one pic he looks like a little gremlin devil haha

sudden anchor
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Looking for tutorials rn, thanks guys. Im getting to rly like this, maybe my new hobby

fierce moth
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🤔 Do alcohols are common drink for private meetings or public parties in your life so "would you like drink something" type of invitation is a type of greeting?

desert jasper
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Coworker asking "wanna grab a drink after work?" sure, depending on the day

fierce moth
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Another unfortunate moment.

twilit mountain
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I only drink with people I trust. Mainly my partner or roommate. I also have a hard limit of one of whatever it is we're drinking, being drunk sucks and I don't want to slip into old habits again.

vagrant topaz
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Not being hangover is better than being drunk

desert jasper
vagrant topaz
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I stop at 3 drinks

desert jasper
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I also used to have a problem with drinking
So these days I have only a few if I do drink

placid yarrow
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I drink like 1-3 cans/glasses of beer a year lol

fierce moth
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"Where my clam stash is"

fierce moth
placid yarrow
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I don't think much of it

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I don't really drink myself, but I'm fine with it in moderation. It's obviously still bad for you (there were some biased studies a long time ago that thought a small amount was good for you but they didn't account for some things and have since been debunked)

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but a lot of things are bad for you, like eating candy

fierce moth
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🤔 I find alcohols always taste bitter, no idea why people like the bitter

placid yarrow
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I think it depends on the drink, some of them aren't bitter at all, but I personally don't enjoy the effects of alcohol and I agree it doesn't taste the best either usually. I'd rather drink something else

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which is why I very rarely drink

desert jasper
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Yeah, it really depends on the drink

hot crown
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I don't drink at all.

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What's even the point of it.

twilit mountain
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I uh... like the taste of alcohol, so you can probably figure out why I have to moderate pretty hard omegalul

ebon meadow
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I drink almost 3 liters of beer every night ,one in pub after work and 1-2 at home wile playing before bed

fierce moth
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lol first time to know I don't need to wait these wombgift to grow... I just need to place it in slot then fertilize then I can get loots

hot crown
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...Kirra, with all due respect, sometimes things you say sound unhealthy if(/when?) put through the translator...

ebon meadow
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Hmmg ?

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It's instant

hot crown
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"wombgift", "fertilize"...

ebon meadow
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Xdd

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We are broken dirty mind read between it omegalul

hot crown
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Doesn't help that I'm an actual parent privy to all the details of childbirth >.<

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DOESN'T HELP that I've also completed THAT PARTICULAR SIDE QUEST in Grim Dawn's Malmouth...

desert jasper
hot crown
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I know. That doesn't help either.

desert jasper
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Not an issue with translation

hot crown
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Noted, but still sounds weird when taken out of PoE's context. 🥴

junior oyster
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Poe is weird

desert jasper
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Yeah
I mean
"Oh yea, I got to make this tree pregnant" already sounds weird

fierce moth
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lol

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Yes. poe sound weird sometimes

hot crown
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"sometimes" would be one hell of a stretch 😄

desert jasper
hot crown
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Can't ever forget that one.

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EVER.

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One part of me wants to say to the devs, "you sick f--ks, wtf do you think you're doing here?", another wants to give them the maddest props out there for keeping up the athmosphere.

vagrant topaz
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Whats the name of the quest ?

junior oyster
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Near the end

desert jasper
junior oyster
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Right

hot crown
fierce moth
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You can collect different arms from the pregnant tree even. More weird.

hot crown
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...it just keeps getting better, huh Kirra?

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.<

vagrant topaz
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I havent done the dlc

hot crown
# vagrant topaz I havent done the dlc

||Look up "womb level" on tvtropes, and you'll have a rough idea about what you're dealing with, except it's a LITERAL INCUBATOR IN ALL POSSIBLE SENSES which makes me sick to my stomach.|| You've been warned.

desert jasper
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Okay so, spoilers
||You find out they've been capturing women and forcing them to give birth to aetherial kids that are all messed up||

vagrant topaz
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Lovely

desert jasper
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Honeslty, I respect them for keeping the theme

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They probably couldn't have done that if they were under a publisher really

hot crown
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I'm more than happy that they're indie.

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I mean, look at krapton and raw fury.

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The moment you get involved with a publisher like those (especially the latter), chances are you're finished for good along with whatever IP you're working on if they feel like it (case in point: Superfuse, which has monetary value of ZERO as an IP last I checked the background of Stitch Heads' bankruptcy case).

stone anvil
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krafton has pubg and since they have many studios, I don't think they will be making necessarily bad decisions If they are not greedy

placid yarrow
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That's correct, a subsidiary can be closed down entirely by the parent company if they wanted to, not sure why they'd do that if they purchased the subsidiary for a pretty penny though

desert jasper
#

Man, this pizza I baked earlier is delicious

stone anvil
#

nom nom nom

placid yarrow
#

it's like taking money and just flushing it down the toilet for no reason

desert jasper
placid yarrow
#

that's one thicc pizza

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almost looks like lasagna

desert jasper
placid yarrow
#

that's not how that works

desert jasper
#

It was nowhere as thick as a lasagna

placid yarrow
#

It wouldn't fall under losses

stone anvil
#

imagine next gamescom they will have place for last epoch and players can try next seasons etc

placid yarrow
#

Maybe korea has some crazy tax law though, unsure

placid yarrow
hot crown
#

Korea also has a massive thing for senseless grind if the first couple of Lineage 2 installments is of any indication.

stone anvil
hot crown
#

Which actually bleeds over into real life if we study their work culture now that I think of it...

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But what do I actually know...

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...sigh.

desert jasper
placid yarrow
# stone anvil I haven't found it but I trust you, its good for interaction and I would like to...

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hot crown
#

I want to have faith in LE. I really do. But, knowing what EHG has involved themselves with and the overall state of the game (plus Judd's last public post about LE bleeding funds), I just... can't.

placid yarrow
#

there are a couple of videos of the booth too, i'd need to find them though

placid yarrow
#

There's no use in worrying

hot crown
#

Waiting and seeing is the only thing left to do.

placid yarrow
#

yep

desert jasper
#

Sadly
Wait & see is the only thing most of us can do

hot crown
#

I mean, I've lost my last shreds of hope by now, tbh.

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So waiting and seeing is indeed the last thing left to do for me specifically.

stone anvil
#

exiled mages, factions man,
step by step they are improving the game

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btw they achieved this with small team is amazing

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Ive played the game just for few weeks but the early access game released on 2019

desert jasper
#

It's not that small a team anymore

stone anvil
#

they will get faster when updating things, I think mike said this on stream

#

and looking at old patch notes

vagrant topaz
#

Getting the colours you want in poe is pretty annoying

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I am glad they got rid of it in poe 2

stone anvil
#

gem sockets?

desert jasper
stone anvil
#

buy tabula rasa

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or whatever its called

vagrant topaz
#

Its in my bow

stone anvil
#

Idk what armor we were crafting but I remember it had 3green,2red,1blue and my friend was telling me, it was 1/15000 chance to get lucky like this

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good days

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I hope you get what you want

desert jasper
vagrant topaz
#

It just cost a lot of Chrom

desert jasper
#

I mean yeah

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and then getting the links is that 1500 if you want to guarantee it

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But you can do it

stone anvil
junior oyster
#

Honestly I think chromes are worse than links now

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You can guarantee 6l with either omen or 1500 fusings

vagrant topaz
#

Shoot !! I missed 2 trials in act 8

junior oyster
#

But chromes can be quite expensive if you want particular colours

vagrant topaz
#

💀

junior oyster
#

There is only one trial in a8

desert jasper
#

oh yea Vlad, can I add you to friends on poe?

junior oyster
#

One in each act from 8 to 10

vagrant topaz
#

I always get confused because there are 3 in act 3

junior oyster
#

And thankfully none in maps

#

I mean there are but they are only used for offerings now

#

Which is so much better

desert jasper
vagrant topaz
desert jasper
#

character

junior oyster
#

Immediate death sentence lol

vagrant topaz
fierce moth
#

I just reach the act 5 town... Closer to the 1st ascendency

desert jasper
#

But seriously Vlad
lasagna at this hour?

abstract karma
#

you are tortuting yourself 😄

abstract karma
#

welp then problem will be max latency

fierce moth
#

hhhhhhhh first time to see Judd wear an suit... It looks a bit funny with his hat

abstract karma
#

Find mine nickanme if you wanna help with lab - XHersikX

fierce moth
#

suit = formal, hat = casual. It let him looks a bit funny when they go together...

👍 I will add you after I get up

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purple hat don't match with grey suit too 😂

real kayak
abstract karma
#

damng one guy in our guild snatched from dumb guy this for 7divine - that's hella insane and cheap 😄

desert jasper
#

That's insanely good

abstract karma
#

yea that guy has 90/90/90 cap so try cal it 😄

junior oyster
#

Did necro not used to get a skill that you'd cast every few seconds?

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I guess they replaced the skill with a static buff

desert jasper
jade jackal
#

There's a bot attack on the server

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A bunch of users with Juludzui in their username just spam friend requests

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@gloomy steppe @rare egret @grim depot you all suck

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@vagrant topaz for your guys consideration

desert jasper
#

Ah, those again

vagrant topaz
#

<@&1161418687471956101>

placid yarrow
#

what

vagrant topaz
#

Sorry I am in bed

placid yarrow
#

lmao

abstract karma
#

your eyes will be doomed if you read from bed and in dark

desert jasper
jade jackal
#

smh FrightenedGroleWrongDirection🥐

neon sigil
twilit mountain
desert jasper
neon sigil
desert jasper
#

Rip

ebon meadow
#

define eyesight

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and i m still slow

fierce moth
#

@neon sigil lol maybe you don't join the 1st fan art competition from Poe 2 is a good idea... Results are 100% unexpecting.

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groleshades Alright, then I will focus on poe anyways

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First time I can't agree with results for their fan art competition from beginning to end omegalul

mental talon
#

@twilit mountain Sometimes it be like that.

fierce moth
#

🥴 I stick on how to confirm to send

fierce moth
real kayak
#

I remember you saying you were in China, don't they have their own realm / servers and different version of poe?

fierce moth
#

Chinese version don't have EN at all :)

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I play the game by Singapore realm

real kayak
#

ah ok

twilit mountain
#

My ass is rerolling already, Impending Doom PF xdd

fierce moth
#

Ok I get it without troubles :)

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The 1st ascendency is done. Progress is reset.

abstract karma
#

well idk if you can mee in different servers in towns..
maybe just should your character nickname without #number

Either way since you are in East timezone idk if we meed this weekdays since i have only time for game only evening which is like 1-6am for you 😄

#

and i guess that by that time in to weekend you could have cleared labs up to 2nd at least

junior stirrup
fierce moth
desert jasper
fierce moth
#

#xxxx

junior stirrup
#

You add friends by character name, not account.

abstract karma
#

or character name and not account

fierce moth
#

......But why it isn't exist

abstract karma
#

CRHersikRC is keepers nickname

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Welp because character search doesnt work with acc nickname but characters on server.. Weird since you then can write in any realm/league but whatever

fierce moth
#

(I wonder who's toilagamer)

neon sigil
#

Need to clean it up tho

twilit mountain
#

I love him. Can I take him out to a pub?

desert jasper
#

Time to log in and see how many divines my boats brought back

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No divines
I'm so poor

mental talon
#

Within 10 Essence, love to see it.

twilit mountain
#

Ew

#

Dude

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What tf

mental talon
fierce moth
#

groleshades Alright. My brain have relaxed enough. It should remember to press enter now.

fierce moth
#

house of cards, s2e4.

Raped. Sexual assault. A classmate in the college. Saw him again after 30 years. Commission ceremony.

😱 Oh my god. It's the most amazing part.

#

Such a pity that I don't have a chance to face the classmate have forced me by overturned my desk, made jokes about my voice, convinced another classmates to isolate me and captured all available help.

Well she is quite gut. I chose to try forget this thing alternative...

desert jasper
#

Was wondering why it's taking so long for my ship to return
went to check and turns out I forgot to send them...

desert jasper
#

Also
I reaally should've checked the price on that foulborn unique
severed in sleep with +5% to minion crit

#

Turns out it's valuable and I put it for 1c

fierce moth
#

why poe just no npc help me to identify items

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I want to change my flask but I need scrolls, I have zero

desert jasper
#

Usually the npc that sells wands and stuff
Or Helena in your hideout

blissful token
#

@fierce moth

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Crepe always seem like alot of work

fierce moth
#

Crepe cake with sponage cake base always bad because I want to enjoy cream only. It can reduce a lot of cream

blissful token
#

Oof but i guess the sponge isnt alot

vagrant topaz
#

A crepe mille feuilles !!

sand wigeon
#

(small little doodle for some of my writing)
(det, ulus, sil, ima, sum, vati, pati, itas, exce, ein)

junior oyster
jade jackal
#

Radical, brave, and extremely controversial

neon sigil
south gust
sage flame
fierce moth
#

groleshades... Good...good morning... I don't know why 2h was gone after I lay on the bed and want to take a short relax only

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.... Quite easy to be passed out longer than the time I expected when 20:00-21:00

fierce moth
#

I have no idea why many artists can produce excellent artworks everyday, their brain just full of imagination and passion

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I can produce something in a day but it will spend tons of passion so I need a long time to recover

neon sigil
#

sometimes it's faster to take a 20 min break and come back than it is to force yourself to finish.

fierce moth
#

Figure out the idea from a bunch of architecture assets isn't a easy thing... The level of brainstorming trigger the warning of "I should sleep" lol

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yes yawning is seriously

sudden anchor
#

Take care of your body, it is part of what process of a good artwork is made of.

jade jackal
#

We know famous 16th-19th century painters were all healthy in body and mind 🙂

ebon meadow
#

Spetially mind xdd

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That goes for music and poetry to

sudden anchor
#

They did what they could do at that time and settings. Or maybe their thrive was to destroy themselves, thus creating famous paintings?

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When youre not busy capsulating your flow of creative energy onto paper, including the thinking of how you gonna do it, its best to not become caught in that state amd.move to something else. Perhaps the energy is moving you towards sleeping, try to master that for the next 8 hours or how many sleep cycles you need.

jade jackal
#

🥠

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Amen to that

junior oyster
#

It's so cheap but I still can't afford it lol

twilit mountain
#

Is that a 6L price?

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It might be cheaper to buy a base one and 6 socket it then link with Morrigan, not sure, I'd have to go check

junior oyster
#

It's 15c for a non-6l

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But I don't even have that yet xD

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It's ok though because this way I'll have a goal to set for myself

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Yea morrigan is slightly cheaper but that means a fight I have to win

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Oh and ofc I'm broke anyway xD

vagrant topaz
#

Morrigan?

desert jasper
#

A beast you can capture with einhar

twilit mountain
vagrant topaz
#

Oo

desert jasper
#

wasn't there a scarab or something that makes it so that it spawns in the map.. if it has einhar in it?

twilit mountain
desert jasper
neon sigil
#

got the 2d - 3d workflow down woohoo

desert jasper
#

Hmm
in 25minutes my ships come back
i guess I'll wait for that before going to sleep

sand wigeon
#

i an keeping my eye on you

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your style is unironically perfect for a game deias and i are working on, i should learn how to draw like that

desert jasper
#

Well
get on it then GigaChad

sand wigeon
#

mmm

sand wigeon
neon sigil
#

I use aseprite for color swapping if need be.

neon sigil
sand wigeon
#

it’s likely the last thing that will be done

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i did write smth publicly available that’s in the style of the game’s writing tho

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so i’m making progress i swear

neon sigil
# sand wigeon the project isn’t anywhere far enough along for art to be on the priority list

tom if thats the case. Then my biggest advice would be to focus on making small games.

The last thing you want to do is have a big project and no workflow.

If you can make a solid game in a few days, you're far more likely to succeed on anything substantial.

For ex. My roguelike project I plan to knock out in two weeks once I have the funding. I have a programmer lined up for it that I've made games with in the past.

Making games is pretty fast once you have your workflow down.

sand wigeon
#

it’ll be small dw

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the entire project is already planned

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there’s room for expansion but it can also be kept small

neon sigil
sand wigeon
#

this IS the practice game

neon sigil
#

Ic

twilit mountain
#

It'd pretty much just be the two of us and due to it being small in scope and not having to worry about deadlines and interfering with work hours we have a lot of freedom

sand wigeon
#

i’m handling the writing (because i’m really good at that), likely the art, whereas deias is handling the programming and we’re managing design together

neon sigil
sand wigeon
#

the writing is the most core aspect

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and i refuse to write that much in “three days”

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my wrists would die

twilit mountain
sand wigeon
#

also the genre of game we’re working on is very niche

neon sigil
#

omegalul you said you wanted sonething in my style tho.

If ya ever want to learn my process im more than happy to sit down and go over it.

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Just for future reference

sand wigeon
#

idr need to learn your game making process or anything

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i really just meant that the 2d tile style works really well for what we’re working on

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and that i should learn how to make that look nice, like you do

neon sigil
sand wigeon
#

10k words a day is really my max

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horrified at the thought of a deadline lol. i’d just write and write and do nothing else until it’s done

fierce moth
#

Oh... I found the key word and that reference back. Cyberpunk...

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🤔 From the same artist who give me inspiration of neo-gothic golden church. That's another reference which match with Ave's imagination...

warped wren
#

"inspired" I guess

fierce moth
warped wren
#

Warhammer 40,000: Darktide

fierce moth
#

This world never lack of pros 😆 (this is one of concept artists who worked on Warhammer 40000: Darktide)

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Can't find any concept environment art for this game unfortunately... All of them just character art

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Oh their official ins is helpful

vagrant topaz
fierce moth
#

I'm thinking should I spend 0.5h on subway to eat meatballs in IKEA or just ride 15 mins to eat stir-fry beef noodles... @blissful token which one is your choice?

blissful token
#

Stir fry beef noodle

fierce moth
#

Oh let me see which ice cream available in IKEA now

blissful token
#

I personally dont like to spend alot of time to get food

fierce moth
#

Chocolate or Avocado. Alright I'm not interested in both of them

#

Let's go to grab beef noodles highfive

desert jasper
#

Beef noodles sound good
But all I have are these extra spicy buldak noodles

fierce moth
#

Oh not noodles. That's a type of rice noodles.

Rice in China = bread/potatoes in Europe

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The tradition is eat rice here so rice products are popular and various

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I start to eat. Bon petite :)

vagrant topaz
#

Thx tree

desert jasper
#

Sweet

vagrant topaz
desert jasper
elfin stream
#

Any Civilization gamers got a vested opinion on civ VII?

#

Haven't really looked at it since the stunted launch, now there's a sale + cool updates apparently so maybe it's worth

sand wigeon
#

It’s definitely pretty different than Civ 6, you’ll have to relearn some things, but it really is just “another Civ game”

#

(I also recommend looking at the game Humankind)

fierce moth
#

Chinese version of Poe not start the same league until tomorrow

#

A week later, I can say that

fierce moth
#

https://b23.tv/Cop2XPR
@stark pier @blissful token
omegalul Why are they can grow up in slower speed only... This video reveal the case completely.

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(This is my case too, lots of people have the same feeling, it mean a lot. So I share that)

tawny sand
abstract karma
#

Is you need only 3-4 stats 6 link this league its hella cheap

ebon meadow
#

And here I am running with 5 link xdd

#

I should get a chest at least ,weapon double my damage last night preggy tree is awesome omegalul

desert jasper
#

Didn't land the 21/20 vaal ground slam
instead the double corrupt hit 19/20 vaal

abstract karma
#

I still need a few items to achieve pure 100k dmg >.> + Eternal lab

But next upgrades are just pure divines...

desert jasper
#

What build are you playing?

fierce moth
#

No idea which magic this food company did, but this package of fried beans is extremely yummy. More yummy than I expected... Quite satisfying

#

88g per bag. Well... 44g is disgesting I think

desert jasper
#

I could go for some beans

fierce moth
#

They're fried broad beans and fried white pea beans

#

Rich fried black garlic/fried garlic flavour within

desert jasper
#

fried

fierce moth
#

I eat all junk food which Van will not eat in weekdays, yes

desert jasper
#

I mean it's fried, not fired

fierce moth
#

😂 😂 😂 ....hhhhhhhhhh thanks. I made a new joke again

#

fired beans sounds quite funny, I admit

abstract karma
desert jasper
#

Ah
yea that's gonna be awkward

abstract karma
#

welp with elusive and critical my dps would became 300k and still without these 2-3 items i would need so with tem it would probably higher

junior oyster
#

Ofc the first 6l I drop is a useless 6l

abstract karma
#

technically no L6 unique is useless but depends which part of the game

#

this league tho drop and make unique L6 trough gamble tree is way faster than making one trough craft

junior oyster
#

Apparently the non-graft version is 60c

fierce moth
#

I wish poe can allow me to shatter my gears to get currencies for reroll amounts and colour and links of sockets

junior oyster
#

You can by selling them

fierce moth
#

Such a pity these items can be destoryed only

junior oyster
#

If you find a 6l chest you can get 20 fusings

fierce moth
#

Not reach endgame yet

#

I still using 4l robe

ebon meadow
tacit pier
#

Hello there

#

I'm trying to get more into ARPGs while having a learning experience

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I'm playing PoE 1 and Last Epoch

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But I was trying to get more into the community for the genre as a whole

#

A while back I tried to join a server called ARPG Vault

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But as soon as I tried to join, I was banned by the bot

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Does anyone here know how can I get around this or talk to a mod in there?

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'Cause now I can't even try to join

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It's important to note that I was not spamming. I actually never got to really enter the server

ebon meadow
#

U can still acces server just not talk in it , get hold of a mod should be top right users

desert jasper
#

I don't think this is the right place to ask about other server stuff
also that happened way over an year ago already 🤔

neon sigil
desert jasper
#

That wizard just screams that it's gonna throw a fireball or two at me

#

Or maybe help me grill some meat

neon sigil
#

Roast fire wizard.

peak zephyr
#

I need help. Built a new PC and tried Kubuntu Linux and I fking hate it-
Trying to get windows 11 i stalled and having trouble wiping my HDD anyone smart with this stuff?

mental talon
twilit mountain
#

Eh. Nice for those who have complaints ig, I'm genuinely not bothered by the state of it in the slightest rn

tacit pier
placid yarrow
#

Basically you shouldn't have to worry about wiping your HDD, windows will do it for you when you try to install it

fierce moth
#

lol alright... The fate doesn't want me to win or even just have a seat in the 1st poe 2 fan art competition. Maybe they prefer incoming neo-gothic artwork to necropolis.

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But it let me to improve my efficiency, a good try on completing something in 1 day... So I learnt something too

#

On the other hand, not much contents in poe 2 can inspire me before they release all acts and add more maps for the endgame 🤷‍♀️

fierce moth
#

I still think this part, protect the mobile switch is quite tough especially at the end because I can't move and 2 cold totems keep shooting at me. They reduce my health quickly (And enemies drops a bunch of loots... Visual block)

junior stirrup
#

Not sure how accessible it is on controller, but I find that disabling loot labels in hectic fights with Z tends to help with focus.

#

(and then forget to turn them on for ages)

placid yarrow
#

Mariah Carey posting all I want for Christmas on the first of November should be a crime lmao

muted parrot
stone anvil
#

I finished Devil May Cry 5 and definetly recommend it If If you like action and some anime.

#

I didn't believe first because graphics are still amazing today

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and fave cutscene omegalul

twilit mountain
stone anvil
#

kirra reading all of these

#

few seconds later

junior oyster
#

Yes kirra search neversink filter

#

Alternatively someone can probably provide you with a filter

ebon meadow
#

someone take her to a blight map xdd

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and let loot

#

se how fast that filter be done

desert jasper
#

It would probably crash her game

ebon meadow
#

mostly ye a

#

but there is that funny situation where u cant even walk becouse of items

desert jasper
#

I can't remember last time I did a blighted map tbh

ebon meadow
#

that, timeless conflict , maybe good rituals to

#

delve

desert jasper
#

Ah yea
I need to do some delving actually

desert jasper
#

I had forgotten how much I hate some delve nodes
like the undead rhoa nest one

desert jasper
#

4 deaths in poorjoys when I was at 97% when I started it tom

ebon meadow
#

I love delve I can play the whole league lol

#

Al my characters how delve on atlas tree even before Kirac

desert jasper
#

I enjoy most of Delve
Was atlas tree a thing before Kirac? 🤔
I honestly can't remember

vagrant topaz
#

I think they mean they take delve pts in the tree before taking kirac pts , no ?

ebon meadow
#

Yep

desert jasper
#

Ah, right

ebon meadow
#

Don't really care for map completion rather set a good azurite pool

#

Well sulphite really

desert jasper
#

What I don't like in delve & heisting that it doesn't progres your mapping / bossing
Because you're not doing atlas while you're doing that content
Sure, you can get maps while doing it but you're not running them

#

But sometimes it's nice to just set time for them

ebon meadow
#

But u get the xp witch is Ur char development it's easier to do it at lets say level 80 instead like 68-62 when u get to maps

#

Also yea delve if u have completed some maps ,can drop maps very nicely

desert jasper
#

I was like ... 75 or 74 when I got to maps on my alt this time

ebon meadow
#

My favourite thing is trash curency stacking to ,u need to roll u Maps when u get to yellows already

#

And having to chaos them is annoying I prefer scour alch

ebon meadow
#

Also I noticed the have a very high gem xp rares like the first reworked ones

desert jasper
#

I can't resist breach
I see one, I do it

ebon meadow
#

Yea it's beautiful

#

Was one of my favourite mechanics before for xp

desert jasper
#

At one point I was overlvld in the story so I didn't get breach for like 3-4 zones

ebon meadow
#

I abused the hell of it when I got to BA lasted like 10 levels

junior oyster
#

Breach in poo1 feels like abyss in poo2

ebon meadow
#

I just keep resting zones from town since mostly it's at the exit

#

Pretty much yea ,I like that they went with this overwhelming combat instead dancing with something tanky with starter character

#

And I personally want to thank the team or dev that left souleaters out

#

I think I saw like one there and pretty sure it was dragged from zone

#

Is some silly regen mods on some of them but that's ok at least they don't get deadlier every kill

desert jasper
#

I prefer the abyss of poe2 to abyss of poe1 tbh
Or the style of it.
What I don't prefer is some of the abyssal monsters in poe2
like the ones that have that dmg immunity every few seconds is dumb as shit
and if you get the 2 spear wielding ones as a legion it's also awful
the one affix on them that makes hem spread chaos dot at their feet is one of the worst things if you're playing a melee character

ebon meadow
#

Yea abyss also got reworked and it feels a bit odd to me now in poe1 ,also that mob that flickers for every single hit is atrocious

junior oyster
#

Ngl but I feel like abyss and breach are one and the same

#

Just branches

ebon meadow
#

That MF with souleater is most annoying shit I ever seen u can only get like 1-2 hits in before its gone in to imunne again

desert jasper
#

I don't know
I feel breach & abyss are very different

ebon meadow
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It feels like not the mechanic but the base engine of the fight is the same in breach Poe 1 and abyss from Poe2

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They carried over the structure of mechanic

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Also we don't have same onion layers of defence mechanics in games so that's why abyss in Poe2 feels a bit more scarier

desert jasper
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Tbh I should probably fix the defenses on my slayer
He gets slapped a little too easily

ebon meadow
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I need to get on POB and go bleed on my flicker it's getting there level 86 now need las lab

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Every time I get on I just start blasting maps now I have full delve bar with is going to take me good 4 hours to drain

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Need a new axe with bleed to ,mine is still blasting blues and a lot of rates with one tap

desert jasper
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Good axes are super cheap this league
I felt kinda dirty for getting a 750dps one for 50chaos

desert jasper
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ooh another div from shipment

desert jasper
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Thanks ritual

desert jasper
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That was like 1 & half divs worth

fierce moth
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@twilit mountain Broken bridge in act 7 have a waypoint or not?

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Just a quick question.

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Find the waypoint of a map in campaign become more and more annoying...

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alright, no.

desert jasper
fierce moth
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what about when I'm in this map?

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poe can't show this one and character icon at the same circle

vagrant topaz
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Open the world map, and hover over where you are

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If there is a blue symbol next to the name

desert jasper
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The icon after the area name also shows if there's a waypoint.

vagrant topaz
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There is a wp

neon sigil
fierce moth
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Never notice a mini icon is here

sand wigeon
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Pinging Deias for that is really funny

vagrant topaz
sand wigeon
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(Technically hasn’t started yet)

neon sigil
neon sigil
fierce moth
sand wigeon
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It’s just such a small thing

sudden anchor
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Any people here that can recommend a chill stream of someone playing a game? I am used to watching grubby, whom i love and want to explore more

sand wigeon
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Diregray

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Rx_hydro

tawny sand
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i like nookrium, i'm not sure when he streams tho. i usually have to watch his youtube

sand wigeon
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I mostly watch VTubers TBH

stone anvil
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I am not the game fan but the studio who makes this animations 🔥

fierce moth
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I just never watch streams to chill... lol

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Listen music is my only chill way

stone anvil
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music feeds the soul and seal your wounds

fierce moth
fierce moth
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tq 2 increase the price after Nov. 11th so it's on sale now

junior oyster
stone anvil
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they had same price with poe2

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5$ is not too much imo but new players who seek for ARPGames will think twice bcs If we don't count diablo, tq2 has highest price

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W for last epoch

fierce moth
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No, Poe 2 is much more expensive because you need to purchase stash pages

stone anvil
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but they are giving you points in poe2 bundle, you can buy few stashs and much more If you wait discounts

sand wigeon
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They’re all overpriced

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How about that

fierce moth
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I pretty...Ok you win

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(I mean Hallow is right)

stone anvil
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depends on country, inflation, life standards... yes and no, I won't argue that omegalul

fierce moth
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I pretty dislike games which have Chinese exclusive version because it mean I must afford expensive exchange rate (Chinese yuan : US dollars) to get pure experience in English community.

Chinese version have Chinese only, which mean it's isolated and I can communicate with Chinese only. But most of Chinese don't have time or good hardware to explore a game for a long time (life limitation).

I want to keep improving English and observe the difference between different languages/countries on logic.

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USD : CNY = 1:7. 1219 groleshades

stone anvil
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btw your english is not bad

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better than my english omegalul

desert jasper
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Oh her English is pretty bad.

sand wigeon
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It is, yeah.

stone anvil
stone anvil
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@candid sage meanwhile my shaman xD

candid sage
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looks like a proper shaman

placid yarrow
cyan sonnet
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good to know there is a use cases page. The pubg uses don't bother me and are more or less acceptable uses imo. The GenAI in inzoi though is what really blows. So long as it mostly stays away from last epoch I have no complaints.

placid yarrow
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I personally think the inzoi thing is kinda cool. People usually use it to put themselves and family/friends (and I guess whoever they want) in the game without having to spend 3 hours tweaking a character creator, I don't see why it's so bad. And for the clothes thing they have premade textures and stuff but they can't cover every possible type of clothing so they have it as an extra option. I personally don't really see the issue but if maybe there's something I'm missing I'd be more than happy to learn

cyan sonnet
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"Generative AI is bad in the artistic sense cause it is not creative, it is just replicative. It creates from analyzing and tagging past works and then replicating what it things would be tagged the way the prompt wants. So it is inherently dependent on humans producing art first, then looking at the art and replicating it.

Morally AI is bad cause it gets trained on pirated art. Artists live by selling and licensing their art. It is a bad enough attitude for humans to pirate art for their own personal pleasure, but a huge company pirating millions of artworks to use without a license in building an AI model is quite clearly an affront. Of course the artists lose, they lose license money, they lose recognition, and then they even fain competition from programs replicating their works.

That doesn't mean the concept or development of AI is a bad thing or a bad idea. It is progress and it can help us humans be more productive. The problem is that AI is crashing a lot of the status quo in Copyright Laws and accountability for content, and we as society have no plan on how to response to that." from a person that is able to say it more succinctly than I.

placid yarrow
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I mean it's creating textures, which aren't the most creative thing ever anyway no? Like a denim texture while sure you might be able to add some creative details is not the same as a whole model/piece of art imo

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And even if it did generate let's say art that your npc can paint is that really so bad? Instead of cycling thought the same maybe 20 paintings someone spent an hour per on you'll be able to have however many since they're generated on the spot

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Like these aren't things people pour their heart into in general. Obviously someone could pour their heart into some random painting a character can randomly roll but I think you get my point

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I think people take too much of a black and white stance on this honestly, if it can reduce the boring grunt work for artists why not

cyan sonnet
placid yarrow
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Well yeah it'll obviously reduce workload, but I don't think that's an inherently bad thing either. It's like the invention of the crane reduced the need to have 10 people pull on a pulley all day. Obviously it really sucks for the people who got fired but people get fired from all kinds of technological advancements, not just things that have to do with AI and robots or whatever

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Like I don't think cranes are evil, or packaging machines that replace people having to stand on a conveyor line doing one menial task over and over for hours on end. People might see AI as being different but I honestly don't (you can for sure do bad things with AI, but inherently it's not bad is my point)

fierce moth
stone anvil
neon sigil
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I made a truck.

fierce moth
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I can see the reason after I start to watch house of cards. Too less tv series and films I watched

fierce moth
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I never will think this shape

fierce moth
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The essence of concept art is give ideas, tons of ideas.

cyan sonnet
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I can agree to it having a use in concept art so long as the finished product is completely human made

gilded elm
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I don't think Generative AI is good at concept art, because concept art requires actually novel thought to create new and unique concepts. We all know I'm generally pro-AI (with the caveat that the copyright discussion is something that needs addressing), but even I will admit concept art is a particular area where generative AI will always strugggle.

cyan sonnet
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See while I don’t think it is good at it, I do feel it is one of the more appropriate places for it to be used

gilded elm
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Concept art, aka Conceptualizing, is something that requires human creativity as input to create something truly new that AI has never been trained on.

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AI can create derivative art easily enough, but that will always be derived from existing artworks.

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To me, good concept art challenges the boundaries of what we've already experienced. It should try to bring unique and fresh ideas to the table.

fierce moth
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I will say their references always scary on amounts...

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Lots of inputs are needed to create an architecture

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and they need to learn various ways to output what are they input

gilded elm
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Generative AI is better used as a tool to generate blueprints, templates or processes for creativity, IMO especially when it comes to complex creative outputs like concept art. Not as a means to replace your own creativity.

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It's fine when people who lack the creativity for these tasks use AI (I'd definitely be one of those people), but if you are a professional concept artist, you can do better than AI.

fierce moth
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more reasonable on prices too

neon sigil
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Its already causing layoffs in the art industry

gilded elm
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I myself use AI as a tool in my software engineering job, too.

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I think it's important to recognize where its weaknesses are and adapt it to your workflow in a way that doesn't compromise on the quality of your work.

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Once you do that, you start to work with AI in a more meaningful way that enhances your productivity.

neon sigil
fierce moth
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yes, the gap is bigger and bigger... Professionals can survive well not only they have good talents but also they have more connections and resources

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What an interesting design is

gilded elm
# neon sigil The problem i see coming is that there's gonna be a bigger divide between entry ...

It's an eventually self-correcting problem. The software engineering job market has been experiencing this same issue even before the rise of LLMs. It has had the same up and down hiring swings when it comes to the entry level job market. If the quality of produced goods go down over time, consumers will be the first to let you know with their wallets and businesses producing slop will have a hard time selling it, forcing themselves to reevaluate their creative processes.

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If it turns out that AI-generated art becomes so good over time that it's no longer considered "slop" by the majority of people who consume it, that means AI is generating "good art" and that's not a bad thing, right? It's bad that people are displaced and out of work, but that's a story as old as human history and has nothing to do with AI specifically.

gilded elm
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I think this is a sensible take that validates both sides of the argument. I really think governments should be stepping in to manage this transition.

placid yarrow
# cyan sonnet See while I don’t think it is good at it, I do feel it is one of the more approp...

I find that interesting, considering some people's job at companies is to make concept art (concept artists). How come replacing their participation in the final product is more appropriate but other aspects not? This is not meant as a gotcha or anything I'm trying to see things from a different perspective since we don't seem to fully agree on the topic.

Like would giving human made concept art to an AI that then puts out a finished product be worse? If so why?

gilded elm
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Claude asking me some really hard questions here lmao

cyan sonnet
# placid yarrow I find that interesting, considering some people's job at companies is to make c...

Sorry I’ve been relatively sick with gastroenteritis today so haven’t been answering as thoroughly as I’d like to be. Essentially what I meant was using it to generate like first draft concept art/drum up ideas from the bin it has accumulated. Concept artists would flesh it out a bit more, then other artists would take it from there in scenarios where concept artists are separate from the other artists. Probably still not voicing my thoughts properly but that is closer to what I meant.

gilded elm
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These kinds of nuances are fascinating to me and I'm always happy to learn others' perspectives.

placid yarrow
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I see, I still feel like someone would need to do that work if the AI didn't so instead of having 5 concept artists you might only need 3 now, so you're still replacing people with AI in this situation. Regardless I hope you get well soon, I think there's a reasonable middle ground we could agree on somewhere but I'll leave it for another time ^^

placid yarrow
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Like nowadays nobody would be like yeah printing presses suck, how could they replace those poor people's jobs.

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I feel like it'll be similar with AI honestly. That in some amount of years when it's been around for a while people will adapt around it and it'll no longer be viewed as bad by pretty much anyone.

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I know there's the creative aspect when it comes to AI that isn't a factor in a lot of other examples but if that's such a big deal there will remain a market for human made art and things like that I think.

cyan sonnet
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My tldr take on AI is it should be used to make the employees’ lives easier, not solely the employer’s wallet fatter.

gilded elm
# placid yarrow Yeah same here. I don't think people's worries are meritless but I wonder if it ...

Yeah this is the exact thing Claude was helping me understand earlier. Claude made a good point that I admittedly didn't give too much consideration in my own thought process. I was always comparing and equating the AI job displacement to past circumstances like with the printing press. But Claude made a really good point that this both targets a large number of fields simultaneously and it targets the learning ladder within those fields which leads to a potentially dangerous recipe where market forces might take too long to correct the situation before serious damage is done to human lives.

fierce moth
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We're playing catch-up. AI tools are good on pre-education for childrens on the combination between historical stories and interactions from the modern or keeping memories and historical info in an eternal way, or improving efficiency for necessary chores or works or driving. It will let more people to enjoy convenient life as AI products are spreading like swapper, auto-driving, washing machines, dishwasher etc.

On the other hand, AI tools are swallowing entry-level jobs, which mean a disaster for unemployed people due to current job markets are toxic enough already. More people are passed by the competition of AI means less money they can hold, more unstable the society is, higher rate on crime, more pressure on feeding the old.

Artists are scared by their works will be stolen for training AI because it mean they will lose the copyright, an important way to get incomes. No laws for how AI tools should train their models yet so they're still free. More artworks from pros they stolen, more powerful these tools are, more dangerous the case artists in.

placid yarrow
# cyan sonnet My tldr take on AI is it should be used to make the employees’ lives easier, not...

But how come that's not the case for a ton of other inventions? The thing is to operate a tool you need to be trained on it. Someone who copies books by hand could be trained to work on a printing press but regardless you needed like 200 people doing it manually and now you only need 1 operating a press, so a ton of people lost their jobs even if the tool made the job easier and didn't completely automate it (you still need an operator for a printing press).

Why are printing presses not unethical?

placid yarrow
cyan sonnet
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Like if some letter changed how it looks when everything was done with quills or whatever the people would quickly adapt and change it. While with a printing press you gotta manufacture the new letters die, install it and train people on how to use it etc

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So it would take longer to adapt

gilded elm
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I think it's normal and okay to phase out jobs for labor that can be performed by AI.

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But it does need to be managed.

placid yarrow
gilded elm
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The cost in human livelihood of such displacement should weigh heavily.

placid yarrow
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It was more of a manpower and money shortage than anything

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Books were always in high demand, but the supply was simply too low because human labour is expensive

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Since you couldn't hire peasants to do it, they had to be literate

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So they were paid a decent wage

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And sure AI has a bigger impact than maybe any other technological advancement but I don't think that should change the fundamental ethics of it tbh

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If something is bad it's bad even when small

gilded elm
placid yarrow
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Yeah laws are still so far in the past for sure

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If someone trains their AI on your art without your consent you should be able to take action imo

gilded elm
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In fact, I would even go further and say that if such strong copyright laws already existed, AI wouldn't be as widespread as it is today because today's models were trained almost entirely on content that they were not licensed to use in that way.

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So while I think AI is good, I think the way in which it was introduced to the world was bad.

placid yarrow
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They should only be able to train ai on art they've licensed, purchased, or made. Or that is public domain (this is a type of licensing)

gilded elm
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That is how you reach the path of ethical AI art.

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Consent.

placid yarrow
gilded elm
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For sure, I just hate how this really cool technology came into popularity by effectively stealing its training data.

placid yarrow
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Yep agreed, it put it in a really bad light and now I feel like people think it's objectively evil just because of people using it to do things that should be illegal

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It's like nobel and dynamite almost lol, good invention meant for one thing (mining and industrial applications) that ended up being used for something else that people thought was really bad (war) and the inventor ended up being hated for it

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like during his time nobel was seen as a super bad guy, only after his death did his image start to change

gilded elm
placid yarrow
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yep

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I think it's a pretty accurate parallel in some ways

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If AI was used for non-scummy applications and trained on data they rightfully owned from the get-go I don't think it would be seeing nearly as much hate if any tbh

gilded elm
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Yeah, I truly am not a fan of Sam Altman and OpenAI. I had respect for OpenAI as a non-profit research company. It's something completely different now.

placid yarrow
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That's why to me you shouldn't hate AI as a concept or invention, but the people misusing it (even if it seems like everyone's misusing it)

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A lot of people seem to have the stance that if AI is used at all it's bad, which I think is unfair

gilded elm
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Yep, I effectively see Microsoft/OpenAI as bad actors in the AI space. Sure, they move the technology forward, but they do it at the cost of its image and reinforce the negativity that is associated with AI today.

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I expect it's just a matter of when the AI investment bubble pops. Eventually investors are going to realize that AI is not anywhere close to realizing the potential being promised by some of these companies (Microsoft/OpenAI is literally trying to sell investors the promise of AGI "soon")

tawny sand
fierce moth
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I pretty afraid of I will replace by AI because I have nothing can be compete with that. I don't have both of crazy level of talent and stable income to learn AI tools and use them in part of my workflow...
What can do is learn as more as possible. Learn anything.
:(

gilded elm
# tawny sand and it'll be bad too, Nvidia is apparently 16% of the US gdp

Is it? Never realized it was that much... hard to believe, actually. S&P500 will take a hit, I fully expect it to. It will recover, just don't know how long that'll take. I think most people have the majority of their retirement money in S&P500 (I myself also invest most of my money in Vanguard's VFIAX which tracks the performance of the S&P500).

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All of my dad's government retirement money is in S&P500 too, basically. He's retiring this month, heh.

tawny sand
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i can't remember where i read it or saw it, but it was said if the ai bubble pops it'll be 4 times worst than the 2008 housing crisis

gilded elm
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Yeah I agree that the investment bubble is probably massive at this point.

placid yarrow
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Yeah I do think there's a lot of overinvestment in it

gilded elm
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Sooner or later, investors are going to notice that AI advancement has stagnated.

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And with enough time, that money in AI is going to get pulled out.

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Unless we see some major breakthroughs in the current limitations of LLMs

tawny sand
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Funnily enough, that Burry guy (proponent of the housing crisis, Christian Bale acts as him in the Big Short film) has betted 1 billion against Nvidia recently

fierce moth
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But I need AI too because it's quite good at making me happy when I'm sad without bothering people. It solve the lonely/helpless issue well

gilded elm
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VFIAX (basically S&P500) for the past 3 years. That includes the big decline in 2022. It's insane lol

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There's no way this was gonna stay this high for so long. It's gonna burst eventually.

tawny sand
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yeah i think it's bound to happen

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the rich will get richer and the poor poorer, as it was, as it were, as it will be

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or however the phrase goes

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as it was, as it is, as it will be i think?

fierce moth
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everyone want to be the rich but not everyone have the chance be the rich. Cruel and realistic

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Fuxking poor.

tawny sand
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in other news eu5 is pretty fun imo, hoping to do a multiplayer session this weekend (but I doubt we'll finish, game's long lol)

gilded elm
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I would try it if I didn't have a grudge against Paradox and the years of their greedy monetization practices

tawny sand
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fair. they've gotten slightly better. the ck3 and vic3 stuff has been good

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i hear stellaris isn't doing so hot though but i don't like stellaris

gilded elm
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I've only played Stellaris as far as their games go, and that experience just left me feeling salty about Paradox as a studio and publisher.

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Stellaris is a good game, but the monetization strategy really sucks.

tawny sand
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i just find stellaris really boring for some reason

gilded elm
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I keep buying these cheap indie games I either don't play or barely play. What's wrong with me lol

tawny sand
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i think the most recent indie game i bought was tavern keeper

gilded elm
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Yup, bought that one too yesterday lmao

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Got it with the Game Dev Tycoon bundle, because it was actually cheaper than buying just Tavern Keeper alone lmao

tawny sand
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lol

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game dev tycoon is kinda meh, tavern keeper is cool though

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i played through most of the campaign i think but then eu5 came out

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and i have 25 hours in eu5 now lol

gilded elm
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I find it hard to refuse these kinds of ratings lol

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Could be an interesting game to wind down in bed with on my Steam Deck

tawny sand
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it has a really well done intro cinematic

gilded elm
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Also heard that it was a narrated experience as well, with good doses of comedy.

tawny sand
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yeah campaign is, dunno about freeplay

gilded elm
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Haven't booted up the game yet, but definitely high up on my list of new games to try soon

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Ah, wasn't even aware there was differences.

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Still, I'll give the campaign a try for sure.

tawny sand
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i wouldn't know the differences, i haven't tried freeplay yet

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but campaign has been funny so far

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now i'm just waiting on transport fever 3 for my next big simulation/strategy game

gilded elm
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Hopefully I can be the most ridiculous and inept tavern keeper lol

fierce moth
stone anvil
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Im so tempted to play LoL but resisting... I hate it

neon sigil
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lil robo dude.

gilded elm
tawny sand
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oh that reminds me, the vampire survivors devs are making a Warhammer Survivors in conjuction with the boltgun devs

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er, collaboration

neon sigil
gilded elm
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Yep, Warhammer Survivors is already on my wishlist :)

fierce moth
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Facepalm The weather with the sun is crazy hot. 30c now because of the sunlight

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I doubt it's winter or it's summer now

fierce moth
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Paint ices let me feel more 🆒 😎
Completed 40%.

sand wigeon
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I wish my ice was that square

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Good job btw

fierce moth
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I never see ices in this shape too... Thanks for the reference.

Appreciated.

celest wagon
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Someone did THE oopsie

desert jasper
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What else is there to do at position 1