#💬┃general

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simple bison
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They're not asking if they should fix these things, they're asking where we think their resources should go first

thick totem
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cuz they do say 3, and when i equip em it only guarantees one, if i don't equip, i sometimes got 0 before

ruby prawn
last egret
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the polls is just another way to take survey anyway, it makes them look lost on what to focus

willow sentinel
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Idk but it made me lost interest in the build

simple bison
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I view it like this, Imagine you're a dad and you have a son that somehow had both his desk and bed break in the same day. And handy as you are you'll fix them instead of just replacing them. Wouldn't it be a good idea to ask which they'd prefer to be fixed first? Would he like to have his bed fixed first so he can sleep comfy but can't use the computer for a little bit, or would he like to have the desk fixed first and sleep on the couch or something for a while. The survey isn't asking for ideas, inspiration or anything like that. It's asking for preference. If someone somehow inerprets it as picking one and leaving the other when it's literally a ranking system then that's on them honestly, There's no basis as to which assume that just because one got ranked above the other then only that thing will get fixed and not the other.

ruby prawn
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not a good comparison. affixes not applying correctly, affixes not proccing, and uniques and sets not working seem more fundamental. this would be like your car has flat tires, is out of gas, and the ignition isn't working. which do you fix first to drive away? well you need to fix them all.

simple bison
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No. the game is playable even with these issues

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your examples would be like the game crashing on launch for 3 seperate reasons

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Obviously they wouldn't poll us on those, because it wouldn't matter what order they'd get fixed in

ruby prawn
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if some builds are fundamentally unplayable because set bonuses and uniques don't function as they should, that is not playable for those who want to use those builds

tender sparrow
simple bison
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did you miss the "imagine you're" part? x)

tender sparrow
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how can i imagine being a dad dont know hwo to be a dad

thick totem
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ye nah it doesn't work, only drops 1, i thought it might have been because of low corruption, but this time i did it on 314 corruption, needle is equipped it didn't drop 3

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just the 1

simple bison
thick totem
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just 1 harbinger eye

simple bison
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needles don't drop anything, they give you gazes

thick totem
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wait

simple bison
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needles don't give you eyes

thick totem
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oh

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wtf are gaze of orobyss

simple bison
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They grant more corruption when you kill a shade

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you can see them below your corruption count

thick totem
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what do they do

simple bison
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give you corruption

thick totem
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add corruption on shade kill?

simple bison
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when you kill a shade

thick totem
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ahh

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ye

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ok

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mb then xà

tender sparrow
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the weaver thing needs some rework man

thick totem
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x)

tender sparrow
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the tree is okay but the points they dont feel seemless

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idk maybe i need to run tombs

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but tombs + harb + beast maps feel a bit heavy

simple bison
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I kinda dislike how the tree has nodes that you can put several points into but you only ever need 1 point to travel to the next node. I'd either change it to be more similar to the passive/skill trees or make it more like the poe atlas tree where if you want to let people invest more than point into something just have duplicate nodes

tender sparrow
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idk i hope they come up with something

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mono feels much better with the updates

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UI changes are great

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tree feel what ever this league

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i am at 27/53

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probly put like 200 hrs or something let me check

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nvm about 100

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some of the tree feels decent but some does

errant sundial
simple bison
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I wouldn't mind if they tied more of the points to the ranks instead of doing woven echoes

tender sparrow
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the droprate is ass

vale panther
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Questions 1 through 3 on todays poll are the same

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just told differently

tender sparrow
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like just make it common and keep some rare i guess

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i guess the biggest issue for me rn is i am not bothered to progress the tree which is meh

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its optional

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where as i think it should be more seamless with my mono progession

simple bison
# errant sundial This analogy ain't it. I feel like this is a decision for dad to decide. A chi...

You're reading too much into it. The point is if the only two possible realities were to ask the son which they'd prefer fixed first or to just decide yourself. I'd personally ask, because they're the ones who are going to be using them and dealing with having to wait on the broken one being fixed. And who's to say their aunt doesn't live across the street where they can sleep for a few days etc, don't read too much into analogies, not every single detail needs ironing out.

tender sparrow
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so by the time i get to end game end my mono feels great cause i have alot of points put in them

brittle rock
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When's the new season?? Is this game being deliberately kept alive until the expansion is released because it's in terrible shape. When's the new season?? Because it's terribly boring.

main frigate
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What's the correct answer from CM when a player complaint your game worked in is boring?

ruby prawn
brittle rock
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Working on improvement

ruby prawn
errant sundial
brittle rock
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How long have you been playing since the first season?

main frigate
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But it's not influenced a player think it's a boring game through CM showed which improvements the team made

simple bison
main frigate
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I think it's a dead end

simple bison
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I doubt ehg would let us pick for example unique modifiers not working and then just not be able to fix it at all when we say it's the #1 priority lmao

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if they did then that's dumb of them

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and a mistake

ruby prawn
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you're getting it

simple bison
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So you're just assuming they can't fix the things in the poll and thus it's useless to even ask in the first place?

brittle rock
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The only new thing is Omen and the Rune of Desolation, which is crap at the corruption level.

ruby prawn
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idk if they could have fixed the issues why haven't they already?

south moat
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You heard it here
There's no new boss in the end game

simple bison
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they have though

main frigate
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Oh make sense then. Guide this player to tell which things are boring

simple bison
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this is a live service game, as new things come out new issues arrise

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it's not like they've never fixed unique items or affixes in the past

brittle rock
ruby prawn
simple bison
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Why not do everything perfectly from the getgo every time? because that's not a thing

ruby prawn
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sure, but you'd expect a dev team to learn from past mistakes and carry those lessons forward to prevent bugs from happening again

simple bison
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It's not like it's the exact same bugs coming back over and over, not sure what your point is with that, are you saying man you didn't do this perfectly from the getgo in the past, so learn from your mistakes and do it perfectly from the getgo from now on? Now if you're just saying LE has too many bugs at the start of each patch that's completely valid, this has nothing to do with that though.

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They could ask the questions in the survey if they had 10 bugs in the entire game vs 10000 bugs. The question has nothing to do with the volume of bugs, they're just asking in the case that the bugs of these types are in the game at the same time, which should they prioritize first in your opinion.

digital oriole
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What a timing!

main frigate
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hhhhhhh

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Chris is good at catching the time Gregory

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It's a bit too funny

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lmaooooooo I laughed harder after I saw the first comment below

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Last Epoch in shambles

brittle patrol
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They're not polling about what players want in the next update though. They're asking about bugs and other technical priorities

simple bison
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Yeah just a funny coincidence, he's not talking about these kinds of polls

main frigate
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The same type of survey, yes

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I'll expect EHG do something on results that got the most votes they get

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Lacking visions and creating expectations is what I feel indeed

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Will le go the wrong direction because made wrong decisions? Judd is the people care that the most obviously

ruby prawn
main frigate
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Well Derrick maybe agree with Cyborgwars. They have the access to go on their polls for sure.

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It's the game he working on, he will more care le than me definitely

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Love this drama anyways. Long time not laugh so hard...

turbid silo
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I saw my name

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<reads chat above>

south moat
strange umbra
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bears, beets, battlestar galactica

turbid silo
south moat
strange umbra
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nty

turbid silo
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The biggest thing with polls is that often times nothing gets done with the information gathered, and that's no good. We don't intend to do that 🙂

south moat
south moat
# strange umbra nty

Tbh only asking because I first read bears as beers
then realized I read it wrong but decided to go with it anyway

meager ingot
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so like, I actually watched chris' video

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"surveys should be for finding problems, not asking the community for solutions"

turbid silo
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That's exactly what we're doing

meager ingot
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EHG pre watched, hilariously

turbid silo
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We're finding out the most impactful things that effect players negatively and prioritizing fixes based on that data

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(along with other data too, not just that)

shrewd canyon
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u do realize their are people making mult accounts to skew ur results right......

turbid silo
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If needed, we can audit the data as well.

errant sundial
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The choices in the poll aren't "finding problems" though. It looks like the problems are already identified.

The LE polls neither "find problems" nor "ask for solutions". They simply ask the community, which problems matter to you most/least.

shrewd canyon
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you litterally thanked one of them in ur last news things

turbid silo
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I wouldn't be able to know if said person was doing that.

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Unless someone said something like this heh

meager ingot
turbid silo
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If I had it my way, all things would be fixed in a snap of my fingers, but sadly, magic doesn't work that way 😉

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And I'm sure everyone else would agree haha

simple bison
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Magic works in other ways? burn the witch!

shrewd canyon
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only thing i want is for the choice blessing pop up to have like a long delay in mons

meager ingot
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So there I was, being hooked up to the Golden Throne to join the Astropathic Choir

south moat
hard basalt
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I did hear that hitting the electronics were the way the ancients fixed them

shrewd canyon
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thats it i understand that other then that if u edit how the blessing works will brick alot of thing but just adding a 15 second delay would fix it

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sort of work around

meager ingot
strange umbra
south moat
strange umbra
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rofl

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Muffin is old

simple bison
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I mean that still works

strange umbra
simple bison
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wires and stuff still exist x)

hard basalt
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can we give LE's code some spanking

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just to see if the old magic still works

meager ingot
strange umbra
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yes

south moat
meager ingot
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oh no, floppy disc

hard basalt
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that shit was expensive

strange umbra
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Loved me a good ol' AOL Chatroom 😛

south moat
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Wide spread internet wasn't a thing back then

turbid silo
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AIM, ICQ, mIRC

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Never forget

strange umbra
shrewd canyon
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aim i can still hear it

strange umbra
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my wife and I got married before consumer smart phones existed

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lol

meager ingot
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one thing about old tech that's wild is like

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my grandpa worked on the cameras for the CIA satellites during the cold war

south moat
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But yeah. Floppy disks were used for school stuff etc

meager ingot
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those things had to drop the film canisters to be picked up and processed

strange umbra
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Ya in HS floppy disks were part of school supply shopping

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for my AP comp sci classes lol

meager ingot
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no digital transmission, they had to actually get the spy satellites film and develop it 😭

turbid silo
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I remember installing X-Wing on my 486 66hz with 16 MB of Ram on 6 3.5" floppy disks

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👴

strange umbra
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my 1st PC was an old 486 DX lol - I installed WIndows 95 and Diablo 1 and my HD was full

turbid silo
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Lets go!

meager ingot
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I can't believe kilobytes were considered at some point

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now anything less than a meg is a rounding error for personal shit

strange umbra
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my parents have a home movie of me getting a 56k modem for Christmas when I was .. 16? 17? and you can hear me being so excited to play Starcraft with green lag on Bnet

south moat
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I honestly can't remember my first windows
i think it was 95

strange umbra
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That was my 1st PC that I bought myself - but I used MS-DOS and Windows 3.1 w/Networking before that quite often

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1st language I learned was BASIC

simple bison
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sounds pretty basic

south moat
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Oh yea
I remember using ms-dos
it was wild time

meager ingot
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if humanity ever had a Golden Throne it would totally be to keep the internet going, wouldn't it

strange umbra
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and now I have multiple grandchildren 😛 lol

south moat
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Ah well
got to sleep
gn nerds

simple bison
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gn

meager ingot
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oh right Tim Berners Lee is still alive

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bro's definitely getting entombed under DARPA HQ

turbid silo
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I remember the days of NetZero as an ISP because my mom wanted my brother and I to stop gaming and taking up the phone line so she stopped paying for an ISP and we found this free one haha

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And now it's my career -- funny how things work out 😄

strange umbra
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haha NetZero - wow

shrewd canyon
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OMG I FORGOT THAT EXISTED

simple bison
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I'm too young for allat

turbid silo
strange umbra
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I had AOL and then my neighborhood was the 1st in my town to get "high speed internet"

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Road Runner

main frigate
turbid silo
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omg roadrunner

simple bison
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The height of my age is using CD's lul

strange umbra
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lol

turbid silo
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lmao

meager ingot
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broooooo

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holy shidid

main frigate
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How will EHG use data is what I interest

simple bison
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I had halo 2 on cd for the pc

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was lit

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Feel like not that many people know it even came out on the pc

strange umbra
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I would uninstall Diablo 1 and install Starcraft 1 when I wanted to play a different game lol

turbid silo
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I'm going to see about showing some insights for how we're using it in Eterra Monthly. I've got to think about presenting it clearly so there isn't any confusion.

meager ingot
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visceral memories of when DVD took over holy

simple bison
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Think we had like 500 ps2 CD's

turbid silo
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I remember having my bookshelf just packed with boxes from games

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when they came in this size....

main frigate
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Good trick to attract me to check out eterra monthly omegalul

strange umbra
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lol

errant sundial
meager ingot
# turbid silo

When disc 1 takes a minute because it has the installer, then you put disc 2 in....

simple bison
shrewd canyon
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lotrbfmerotwk had like 10 discs

turbid silo
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Get done with the second disc almost to get the "out of memory"

simple bison
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Someone tells you to have a good day, does that mean they want all other days to be bad for you?

meager ingot
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third disk is a few kb a lot of the time they just couldn't fit in the first two lol

errant sundial
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First with the kid with the broken furniture.

meager ingot
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ever heard of a cognitohazard?

errant sundial
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The poll measures both of those things. Which is most important, which is least important.

A gesture of "have a nice day" is never an insult (unless meant sarcastically lol)

main frigate
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I'll feel it's ironic because my days are worse than that people a lot

meager ingot
errant sundial
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That's ridiculous lol

meager ingot
main frigate
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Of course, I don't think Derrick's life will go any bad because he have blessings from the valve :)

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Valve is his charm

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Maybe my charm is hided in deep sea or sanctuary, who knows. I still finding

severe socket
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Hiya Derrick.

turbid silo
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Heya @severe socket

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How are you

thick totem
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dot damage from mobs is so overpowered

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xD

night marten
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Dots have been nerfed so much over the past 4 seasons. Lol

thick totem
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still too strong )x

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nah

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once i get armor applies to dot

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i should be fine

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but still

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getting OS by dot even tho im at 150% all res

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is

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hurts my brain

severe socket
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||Yet ANOTHER (the 6th one so far) train trip back-and-forth across half the country imminent (father-in-law's health issues still)||. I can't handle it. -_-

steep river
# thick totem getting OS by dot even tho im at 150% all res

The Resistance cap is 75%. Unless you have an Item or Passive that works on Uncapped (total regardless of cap) or Overcapped (total minus cap) Resistance, there's not much point going past 75 Resistance.

It could help with something like Shock or Marked for Death, but you typically don't need to gear for that

rocky bloom
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Guys, I’m a total noob. I have way too many items in my stash and honestly don’t know what I should keep and what I should get rid of. Is there some kind of rule of thumb for this?

For example, uniques: should I even care about uniques that I’m not currently using, especially if I’m not planning to make another character? Can I just shatter them, or should I just hide them in my filter?

turbid silo
full saffron
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@dull glade Notes dropped

night marten
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probly easier to show the uniques you want than to hide all the ones you dont tho

acoustic palm
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@dull glade check the other discord man, patch notes up

rocky bloom
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like i.e. im playing shadow cascade bladedancer: does that mean i can hide any rarity two-handed and offhands?

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or is there maybe a t7 two handed mod i could transfer to a dagger?

night marten
night marten
rocky bloom
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thanks very much!

mint dove
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ahhh i put in 8 LP1 items into the turtle thing and got 1x 2LP and the other 7x 0LP - is that about right? or did i get unlucky?

tawny dome
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Can I make progress on my online character in offline mode?

main frigate
main frigate
tawny dome
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Got it thanks

mint dove
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holy moly! just got 2x LP2 rerolls from nemesis eggs!!

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that makes up for losing all those LPs on the turtle lol

wet heron
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Does last epoch survey players?

thick totem
thick totem
thick totem
willow sentinel
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So in a area lvl75+ with 75% Res you take 0% extra dmg

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Only thing you can mitigate with extra resistance is if enemies have sources of Shred Resistance

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Like psn stack ailment, mark for death, shock etc

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Which is pretty rare in the game, and I wouldn't invest in extra resist for that case

thick totem
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vmad

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vlad

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help me

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how is that getting automodded in suggestions

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Title: Show which loot filter rule shows each item in nemesis window if any
Suggestion: pretty much as title suggests

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oh

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my bad

willow sentinel
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I guess the suggestion isn't long enough

thick totem
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MINIMUM

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-_-

stable shoal
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You gotta learn how to type perfectly or the bot makes it disappear rofl

thick totem
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my brain goes

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50 characters...

willow sentinel
thick totem
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and autofills the rest as 'maximum'

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force of habit of synthesising

willow sentinel
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It's one of the reason I don't post suggestions anymore tbh

stable shoal
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Oh I know thats why I dont do suggestions or feedback i already got auto deleted like 2 or 3 times

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You want my opinions here they are 😅

thick totem
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too bothersome to retype all that

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maybe that's something you guys could do something about mods?

stable shoal
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Yesterday poll was good ,the first 2 were mid need more abroad questions instead of same thing

thick totem
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maybe not have it be deleted just for us, or have the bot re say our message but it only being visible to us? i think that's possible

stable shoal
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Or say we're you are messing up so you can fix it

willow sentinel
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I'll ask Derrick if that smth we can have

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The bot dming you when it deletes your suggestion

thick totem
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yup

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that'd be good, i've seen that from other bots

slow cloudBOT
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Spellblade, Level 98
Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Spellblade (91)

General:

▸ Health: 1,631, Regen: 19.72/s
▸ Mana: 340.21, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 152%, Regen: 67/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 36 Dex / 45 Int / 15 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 127% / 105% / 136% / 78% / 77% / 85% / 124%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 388
▸ Dodge Chance: 21% (696)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,606)
▸ Block Chance: 15%, Mitigation: 27% (493)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 66%

Used skills:

Surge / Flame Ward / Flame Reave / Lightning Blast / Enchant Weapon

thick totem
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i should be at 99 something crit chance against ignited enemies

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16 total base crit

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388% crit chance from dex from that spellblade node

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and 60% more crit chance against ignited enemies

thick totem
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ye nvm i had a crit avoidance mod on my previous echo i think

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@willow sentinel

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don't look too hard into it

willow sentinel
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Lol

thick totem
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xD

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ye

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saving you time

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that was it

willow sentinel
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OK 😅

rocky bloom
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thanks much!

thick totem
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oh right

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i almost forgot

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imma rename some rules so you know what to activate or not

exotic solar
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Did they started new season leaks?

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Or did new season get delayed?

thick totem
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any news on when we can expect a big bug fix patch?

molten fulcrum
thick totem
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you mean new bugs patch? xD

fleet sinew
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Hey, any guide to skip campaign??

willow sentinel
willow sentinel
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If you are on an alt character you can use dungeons stop jump through some bit of it

main frigate
pure crow
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what are the defensive buffs that masque gives if you allocate his point in the weaver tree?

short vessel
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nobody knows

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cos nobody has ever allocated that node :L

pure crow
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this is why i was curious lol

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i thought it would be like that node in the poe atlas where huck can join you and such but i can't find any info on the masque node anywhere

willow sentinel
main frigate
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Do EHG release seasons as usual after expansion is out or the focus will on updates of expansion?

south moat
main frigate
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I'm confused why they want to release an expansion instead of releasing seasons consistently

night marten
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expansions are just really big seasons

main frigate
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Paid classes can be included in a season

night marten
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mike already said the expansion LE:O is just 1.6

turbid silo
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Good day Travelers!

umbral phoenix
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I finally subscribed to Discord Nitro and can write wishes🫠 🙃

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Guys, is it possible to send only one suggestion at a time?

severe socket
severe socket
willow sentinel
willow sentinel
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If you respect the format you can post as many as you want

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@turbid silo Sorry for the ping
Is this smth that can be set up?

umbral phoenix
willow sentinel
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Ah that's a different issue

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You can post as many suggestions as you want, but you can't go over the character limit indeed

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Need to split them in that case

umbral phoenix
turbid silo
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The problem with that is everyone has to have "allow direct messages from server members" turned on

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and many do not

turbid silo
quiet pilot
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I am looking for the UniqueIds for the lootfilter. Does somone have a list or table? I saw that Baalzevuv was looking into generating one but I believe he since left the server. I also am not competent enough to extract from the network tab in lastepochtools.com which frozen sentinel suggested so that doesnt help me :(

daring coyote
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Btw, "molting" from Shift isn't cleansing shock. Reported on f8.

elfin wharf
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hi im name whats your drunk

turbid silo
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That's no good, I'll let folks know!

elfin wharf
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drinking and last epoch-ing

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loot responsibly

storm wadi
main frigate
umbral phoenix
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Why doesn't the bot process my message into suggestions? I seem to be following the format.🤔

balmy arrow
umbral phoenix
turbid silo
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I apologize for failing to deliver the proper message and content with these polls. I'll be working to deliver better ones before the next one goes out. This is on me and I want to do better for you, our players.

turbid silo
main frigate
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@bitter python Why you use Mike's nickname here heavybreathing

strange umbra
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Good morning Travelers! muffin_hi

turbid silo
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Good morning Muffin!

south moat
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Yeah that's a different EHG_Mike, pretending to be the madhatter

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Probably soon people getting private messages from that guy

strange umbra
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I reset their nick

grim sinew
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Woop woop happy freaking Friday !!!!!!!!!! How's everybody in ettera doing today!?

strange umbra
grim sinew
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Ha I work 3rd shift just got done with overtime so no coffee needed 🤣

main frigate
pure crow
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hey derrick, im going crazy trying to find info on this as can't find it anywhere, what are the defensive buffs that masque gives if you allocate his point in the weaver tree?

quick snow
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While exact in-game numbers fluctuate based on node investment and scaling, community testing indicates that this buff primarily increases your survivability in these specific Woven zones by granting stats such as:Increased HealthIncreased Health RegenerationReduced Damage Over Time TakenVoid Resistance

quick snow
pure crow
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hmmm interesting. thank you! I've not seen any like super obvious increase in hp but ill keep an eye out for those other things now too when i next see him

grizzled karma
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They should ditch polls AND ditch roadmaps.
Spend that time elsewhere.

quick snow
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but it's generally accurate

pure crow
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hmm im very sceptical in that case because i asked chatgpt in extended thinking and it after thinking for a minute and searching could not provide any direct sources confirming what it does

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and what it says it may be is ward gain and less damage taken so different from your response

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this is why im hoping a dev responds with the real answer

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as the fella above when i asked a few hours ago made the joke, literally no one seems to know

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this whole problem would not be around if the alt view just had the info what the buffs are

turbid silo
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I updated the feedback and suggestions to allow prevent messages with returns after title:, feedback:, or suggestion: to be accepted

pure crow
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derrick im going insane please tell us what this node does lmao

quick snow
pure crow
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its so annoying as there is no visual indicator when its active like others buffs and effects, so can't see any way in game

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especially if its random everytime

granite kindle
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wait when is the update even ?

pure crow
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there is no update news?

quick snow
pure crow
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yeah thats what im trying now

coarse swallow
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I'll inquire with the team and see if there's more specific information we can provide. I'm not sure why we would hide the specifics, so I expect to be able to get something for you.

pure crow
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thank you!

coarse swallow
# pure crow thank you!

He doesn't provide a passive buff, rather his abilities provide small buffs when they hit you, such as an amount of ward. Unfortunately I can't get more specific info than that right now as it would require the team to dive into the code.

pure crow
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thank you for confirming, i really think the flavour text needs to be updated to reflect that then. Also this node is in desperate need of a buff then haha as thats totally useless too.

coarse swallow
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I'll add it to my daily notes - I agree at the very least it should have a description update. Gregory

pure crow
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at least i know now that it can be unspeced haha, poor masque

balmy arrow
south moat
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Hardly relevant for general

daring coyote
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Idk if it's a bug, but it's kinda bad that we can't defend ourselves when we kill Lagon and his minions come to take revenge while we check blessing.

turbid silo
desert fog
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Also not being able to skip the add phase feels bad imo, if I have enough damage I shouldn't be forced to slog through it(but maybe buff tentacle hp to compensate being able to skip)

coarse swallow
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That phase needs to be mandatory to prevent a whole lot of bugs and issues with how the stage changes between phases.

turbid silo
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Teaser shared on stream today 🙂

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balmy arrow
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wooden lizardlizard_Lenny

willow sentinel
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Morditas prison

night marten
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Yeah, def. But it also kinda looks like it could be a head of a monster. Like with morditas as the head kind of absorbed into the tree and the whole tree is the monster

strange umbra
umbral phoenix
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It's strange, there seemed to be some kind of response to my suggestions from @main frigate in this channel, but there is nothing.

inner mango
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Farmed 1m of favor on CoF. what now

simple bison
heavy anchor
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i am a idiot.

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i forgot to pick up gear while leveling.

main frigate
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I moved that

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(Of course, it look like a spam for someone only because they don't care about that)

balmy arrow
ionic copper
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Heorot juste doesn't want to drop the damn bow I'm gonna drive crazy!

main frigate
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The more crazy thing is you never can get a 2lp bow from Heorot

ionic copper
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I can't even get a simple bow with 50% droprate, I can't even fathom 1LP

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Done him 9 times already lmao

bold cloud
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Is there any way to not pick up the loot when I farm aberroth and the items won't flood the screen wwhen I enter for next fight?

modest cosmos
bold cloud
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How shld I set it so they dun appear

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Because they appear as ghost items in next fight

modest cosmos
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I'm not going to give you a filter tutorial, but I don't know what ghost items are. Sounds like a bug. I haven't had that problem with Aberroth.

pure crow
bold cloud
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i have a filter but the items are just too many and they just stay on the floor cannot be picked up

modest cosmos
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might need to clear cache and/or reinstall. that's an odd bugg.

thick totem
main frigate
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Perfect loop. You can't reach higher corruption if your gears doesn't decent enough, but you need more corruption if you want better gears
It's why always sad to hear rng does rng things.

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Hah, when EHG fix this issue...

novel comet
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You need 1lp gear mostly for that and that is extremely common to slam with the exact mod you need

brittle fjord
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If you're struggling it's likely because you aren't fully understanding all the systems in the game which might be a whole other issue but the "issue" your talking about doesn't exist.

main frigate
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Oh maybe a gap for how to define how much corruption do we need...
I think 300 is too low. It's not a good build if it can't survive in 700.

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If EHG want to expand player's time. I mean min-max lovers.

simple bison
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You never need higher corruption for better gear

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it just improves your odds, and honestly not by that much usually

wide river
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Thought the same. Popped some propehcies on 100 Corr and got many 3 LP3 and also 1 LP 4

simple bison
main frigate
simple bison
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Odds means the chance to get/do something

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your odds of getting an item on a higher corruption are only slightly higher than getting the same item at a lower corruption

main frigate
simple bison
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1k isn't that crazy, min max lovers are pushing several thousand corruption these days

main frigate
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And then fews of them will use this achievement as selling points of their videos so people believe builds are suppose to reach that level of corruption, otherwise they're not worth to play

simple bison
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Imo 1k is a pretty good sweet spot actually

main frigate
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Peak brings more peak

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Oh. Maybe it's why EHG want to hire a CM to teach youtubers how to make guides

simple bison
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I highly doubt that lol

main frigate
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I never quite hype like that for a new employee. Lots of tricks we can play omegalul

split flame
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I have said this before and raised a suggestion, but it just annoyed me again so I am saying it again lol .

Please can you let us teleport to the waypoint of the area we are in! The only way to do it right now is to leave the area and come back and that resets the map

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Love you

strange umbra
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Good morning Travelers! muffin_hi

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hope everyone is having a good weekend

south moat
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Gm Muffin
Doing good, hope you're having a good weekend

strange umbra
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better once my coffee is finished lol

stable shoal
# simple bison You never need higher corruption for better gear

Although rarity in this game is kinda mid and corruption pushing is not as rewarding as maybe it should be ,corruption pushing does have real benefits like i will get way better exalts than if I play at 100 corruption and same for uniques and gain lp Although again should be more significant

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Conquered tower for example loves corruption if you wanna make those 2t7, 3t7 and higher avaliable

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There is a reason why popping prophecy on dungeons is mid vs on maps

simple bison
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Yeah I mean obviously you should push corruption, nobody is saying 300 is the same as 1k

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but if going from 900 to 1k means you start dying and stuff its not worth it

main frigate
split flame
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Mrs away so the Mr will play

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The game..

main frigate
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Oh road to empress can fix this pity

split flame
main frigate
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Lizard (a twitch streamer) love le in real

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Through stream poe 2 can get more viewers obviously

split flame
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Anyone been in touch with the Nemsis gods today?

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If so, could you tell 'em to sort me out? They've been giving me squat all evening.

quiet pilot
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@simple bison Looking through the Discord I saw that you not only had an accurate/concordant with tunklab formula for LPL odds (which I eventually found, so ty for creating that :D), but were also working on WW calcs. At that time you stated it wasn't ready yet. Would you be willing to share your results?

I want to incorporate them into a script for automatically generating a rarity based lootfilter so I do not need to live in fear that the Circle of fortune blessed me with an equivalent of a 3LP RedRing and I ignored it

simple bison
# quiet pilot <@353213941465481216> Looking through the Discord I saw that you not only had an...

Honestly I think you'd be vastly overcomplicating it for yourself by doing it through a script instead of just looking at the items through something like tunklab and spending an hour or two making a filter. If they ever changed the lpl of an item or added new ones you'd need to put them into the database for the script each time anyway which I doubt would take any less time than just going into the filter and changing it directly

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The weaver's will graph is also pretty absurd in comparison to the lp graph I made. I used to have a little sim program that was way simpler but it didn't give the true odds, it just simulated drops. so you needed to do over a trillion simulated items to start getting accurate results that correspond with the actual odds. I don't have it anymore but I could re-make it fairly easily and quickly, although there's no real point anymore for me now that I have the graph. All this to say you're basically looking to do 10x the work for seemingly no benefit as far as I can tell

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For reference this is all the math that goes into the lp graph

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Also I'd be way more scared using a filter made by a script than one made rule by rule from scratch by hand when it comes to it hiding something I want to see lmao

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Even if said script was made by myself

quiet pilot
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You are probably correct..
But I still want to do it, just for fun :3

I unfortunately cant read anything in the image as its a bit low res (988x1235) :/
for the LP one, I already managed to convert your math into 10 lines of python; i have currently smthng like this (send u a screenshot)

thick totem
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🙏

simple bison
thick totem
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🗿

simple bison
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Bruh I just did so much bs just to realize I don't think desmos is capable of what I need from it x)

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trancendental equation wrecked me I think

simple bison
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Yeah I need desmos to give me the roots of a function as an output and I don't think it supports that, you're supposed to just hover over them x)

simple bison
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wait some madlad made a solver in desmos

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omg it works

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we're cooking so hard

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(this is LE related I promise)

haughty coral
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The circle of life 🙏

primal totem
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could someone explain how with max resist im getting hit for 5k+ phys damage in a lvl 90 mono (not empowered) by a random empowered mob

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also for reference it was a glancing blow too

strange umbra
coarse swallow
# primal totem could someone explain how with max resist im getting hit for 5k+ phys damage in ...

There's a lot of potential factors at play here, and I don't mean maybe. The highest possibilities is something like a buff or nerf at play (eg. rampaging enemy affix or stacks of armor shred), or it may have potentially been an attack that's not intended to be taken (eg. a telegraphed slam that you're intended to move out of). Just because it's not uber endgame, doesn't mean it's not deadly!

Of course there's also the possibility something needs a nerf! Report it!

coarse swallow
warped vine
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Needs nerf

granite kindle
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if i play offline then i play on another pc do i still have the progression i have ?

hard basalt
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altho if you want to be double sure, you can copy the save files manually

balmy arrow
coarse swallow
# warped vine Yeah nemesis and bosses alike have invisibility buff

I have heard intermittent reports of invisible enemies, but not bosses or nemesis. If this is the case, I would recommend trying to verify game files as the files may be corrupted. if the issue persists, please submit a bug report after loading the enemy via F8 or the in-game menu.

simple bison
south moat
simple bison
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I had made a different one before that was just an estimate

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this one is exact

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so you might have seen the previous one

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(this one was way, way harder to make omegalul )

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it still has some things that need ironing out because the aoe of disintegrating aura is surpsisingly massive compared to the spiral it travels in so if you get more than like 20% increased aoe it starts touching more than one arc of the spiral and it gets confused

willow sentinel
simple bison
south moat
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<@&1161418687471956101> someone once again reacted with clown emote to all posts from Aaron in #🎥┃video-shoutout

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Like who bothers scrolling back to do that on older stuff

cobalt fable
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one week poe 2 , last epoch is dedge

south moat
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Well, we are almost 2 months to the season

cobalt fable
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xdddddddddd

balmy arrow
trim star
hybrid wagon
brittle fjord
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@wild badge They said that because LE has a track record of making seasons last a really long time between updates.

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Though I do think the next one is meant to be coming out soon.

wild badge
main frigate
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He will go normal once EHG buy themselves back from Krafton

south moat
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I doubt that'll happen

main frigate
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😂
Maybe? Judd just need the other chance in right time, right duration and right team.

south moat
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Yeah, they'll just suddenly have like 100million to buy theirselves back

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Totally

quick wasp
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Hello! Is Arena at Divine Era worth doing early? and can I access Circle Of Fortune at Level 51?

main frigate
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omegalul I guess Krafton will want more

south moat
quick wasp
simple bison
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Arena is not worth doing

simple bison
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your level doesn't matter

quick wasp
simple bison
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yep

quick wasp
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OK, got it!

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It will come naturally then 😄

main frigate
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Maybe EHG can do that if they get a big successful on paid classes

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Well, ptw is a senstitive topic unfortunately

simple bison
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It's extremely hard for a sibsidiary to use its own earnings to buy itself out. Usually the only way a subsidiary gets bought out internally is via private entities within the subsidiary buying the subsidiary back afaik. For example if the people who used to own ehg could raise enough money to buy it back from krafton. But stuff like proceeds from the paid class or cosmetics aren't easily used to do this kind of thing.

brittle fjord
brittle fjord
hard basalt
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yeah it's like trying to race your own foot

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the more money you make the more your buyback value is going to be

simple bison
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Basically krafton has the final say in how the money EHG makes is used. Whether it's used as dividends to krafton, reinvested in EHG or some other way. So the only way EHG can buy itself out is through external means. Which Krafton would still need to approve. You can't force someone to sell something when it's not public

main frigate
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From pure American to mixed race on blood.

hard basalt
severe socket
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(almost itching to paste a scene from Hercules with Pain and Panic processing this exact word)

snow verge
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some can help with acolyte what should i start after campaign ?

main frigate
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And I can't read more stories about EHG anymore

simple bison
severe socket
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Can't be any worse than Superfuse at this point, to be honest.

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(granted, the latter is very much dead on early-access arrival, deader than dead currently, Raw Fury buried its devs hard and never even batted an eye)

main frigate
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No idea, I just know I can't break my oaths.

severe socket
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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EHG is in one hell of a tech debt hole still.

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Wonder how long it's gonna take for them to make a dent in it.

main frigate
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Businessman will not care the reputation if it's not influence money go into his wallet

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Krafton still live quite well through they're bad under player's eyes

strange pond
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hi i have a lot of thing to sell if anyone want to trade omegalul

south moat
strange pond
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in the market we can trade

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in gold

simple bison
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Yes but advertising that you need to sell stuff doesn't really do anything

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you can't meet up with someone and trade with them really. The only way for someone to buy your items is through a bazaar listing and at that point if someone wants your items they'll find them and buy them

strange pond
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bc i have too much in my bank and its hard to sell

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thats why

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i make good prives

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prices * for my bros

pulsar bison
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anyone willing to jump on discord and help answer some loot filter/crafting questions for someone new to the game? I'm using the https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/flay-mana-lich-guide#loot-filter-header build and the loot filter generated using the tool on that page, but I don't know what to do with the items it's highlighing green once I get them. I know this is super nub, but help is appreciated. I've watched multiple videos on crafting and loot filter, but it seems like the way the filter is set up dictates the rule set. Help >.< please

simple bison
pulsar bison
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@simple bison thank you! Again I'm like two days into this game, so sorry for basic questions. For some reason I can't paste screen shots in this discord

simple bison
severe socket
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Welcome aboard ^_^

severe bay
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hows them surverys going lmfao

stable shoal
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What i dont understand is why its a survey on their forum ,instead of forum,reddit,discord idk if they are somewhere else i for one have never login to their forums

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Last survey was good ,the first one bad,second one mid

lyric panther
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Hi guys, what is the approximate date for season 5?

night marten
night marten
native mirage
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I think I found a way to fix my crafting issues...

I can farm all the uniques I want and have all the lp I want but I need to be running nemesis encounters to get high enough double or triple t7's on exalted bases that I can use runes of havoc and redemption to land good affixes eventually use rune of creation to duplicate than use those bases to slam onto my higher LP best in slot uniques - and I can use weaver to run a ton of the nemesis encounters and I can get weaver amber by farming the shit out of rift beasts that I can build a good lineage to farm bones and horns that I can rerun using all the rift beast weaver nodes and then farm a fully optimized rift beast and never reset them.... something like that?

languid rover
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And that would sum up what happened by imprint nerfs

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You made the already insufferable grind even more insufferable cos it's full on RNG on what nemesis gives you depending how he feels that day

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But it's fine, EHG did say they might overturn the nerfs or at least tweak them , so I hope it does happen cos the game is way less fun without it for me personally

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Will see in S5, as it stands I have no "viable" improvements left for my char outside of some BiS omen idols but grinding those is just... No thanks

main frigate
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heavybreathing rare to see Judd end his sneak

native mirage
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Yeah I think I’ve hit most 2 affix T7/T6 and it seems going from that to either 3 slam or bis corrupt is going to be more time and effort than I am interesred in before POE 2 comes out, so probably run it back season 5

smoky osprey
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@main frigate @stable shoal #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message
Yeah, corruption is an endgame mechanic, but for exalts corruption is more-or-less useless. Nemesis gives SIGNIFICANTLY better exalts than corruption rarity/prophecies will, and nemesis exalts are the same at every corruption level

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Corruption matters in endgame for me still, mostly for favor gain and LP chance

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But for anything where I need a better exalt to make my item better, it almost has to come from nemesis

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I dropped an AMAZING staff. I use a primordial staff. Got something on the right base, double T7, open prefix. It was incredible.

But it had 31 FP, so it was dead on arrival

stable shoal
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Yeah corruption is a mechanic we have but it really doesn't do much for exalts sadly ,aside of nemesis scaling with it for the exalts, kinda sad that best thing you can do is push one timeline as much corruption you can handle just for nemesis exalts.

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Rarity in this game is weird ,maybe in the future can be improved somewhat uniques get a lot more benefit than exalts and even then its not that huge

smoky osprey
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I thought corruption didn't affect nemesis exalts?

languid rover
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Affects the chance of the items in it starting already exalted afaik

hard basalt
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it also affects power up chance

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corruption not affecting nemesis is just for LP chance

stable shoal
stable shoal
hard basalt
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yeah the info gets a bit weird imho because of phrasing

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there was that one post from mike where he said it didn't affect, but it was actually referring to LP

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there was another post confirming it does work on empower for exalts

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lemme see if I can dig it up

stable shoal
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Well for sure there is a difference then for example at 2k corr I get 3t7s a couple and at like 3k plus corrupt 3t7 and 3t7 1t6 becomes doable

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I have some insane imprints from my buddy that was farming at that corruption

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For example I played a ton and only when I went full lich 2k plus corruption my exalts started becoming 3t7 on nemesis

smoky osprey
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I'm only farming at 800 and got several 2T7+T6

strange elm
main frigate
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Is it enough for a marksman with 1lp firesong and gears with single t7 only to kill normal Aberroth, I mean kill that under 2 mins?

simple bison
south moat
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Also that's not enough information really

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But yes

main frigate
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Oh dragonsong, not firesong

simple bison
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still yes

main frigate
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GigaChad My brain is washed by got

south moat
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Ofc there comes the player skill, your passive tree etc to question

main frigate
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Oh...That player who I got his character planner had left this server GigaChad

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Alright.

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@severe socket Have you killed normal Aberroth successfully?

severe socket
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That, plus I'm on hiatus again.

main frigate
elfin wharf
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making a poison rogue build i am learning as i go.

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i wonder if i even know how to read

south moat
elfin wharf
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hahaha i am learning thing i am pretty sure i should have long time ago but i am loving it i think this poison ninja fast af boi rogue build might work

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fingers crossed

main frigate
main frigate
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@turbid silo No guides for burning dagger marksman with the latest version (new rogue skills) on Youtube and letools. Do you have any ideas how to build the skill combo with any of that 2 new skills? One of them is enough.

lone vine
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is there not a bug report option via here? Im trying to use in the in game to share screenshots but I need to attach to show the bug and it won't even let me hover over my issue for the screenshot it's selecting

simple bison
turbid silo
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Good morning all 🙂

south moat
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Gm DerrickG

turbid silo
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Hopefully that helps 🙂

main frigate
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groleshades But it don't use any latest rogue skills

turbid silo
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You want a build that uses Shadow Rend? Bladestorm?

main frigate
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Any of them. No biase

south moat
turbid silo
south moat
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Friday will be here before you realize it
Now is that a good thing or a bad thing

turbid silo
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Good thing!

turbid silo
main frigate
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Mastery skills only?

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To be honest, I never use markman's mastery skill

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How will you combo current skills if you must use shadow rend or bladestorm in your skills combo for your marksman, it's what I ask

turbid silo
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Oh I was asking about those cause I thought you meant using the new skills as well 🙂

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brb gotta restart, updates

main frigate
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Shadow rend & bladestorm are new skills, yes

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😅 .....I'm confused where the confusion is

strange umbra
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Good morning Travelers!!

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Hope everyone had a good weekend ❤️

turbid silo
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Alright, I'm back, sorry about that 🙂

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BIOS needed updating

south moat
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Gm Muffin

turbid silo
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Hey hey Muffin!

turbid silo
turbid silo
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I think if you use that build and just swap in Shadow Rend it may be feasible. There are likely better items that make it stronger supporting Shadows. Here's what I messed with so far, I just haven't touched any items yet.

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Another option is swapping out Decoy for Smoke Bomb cause of Sinister Plan being so nice

wild knot
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mmkay i got tied up in the D4 expansion/season but thats done now lol. time for LE 😄 I'm thinking something primalist potentially

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nvm going rogue. never gave rogue a fair chance since before falconry was added lol

turbid silo
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Jinx 😉

main frigate
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🤔 What shadow rend help in the skill combo?

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I'm not sure how it connect with another skills

turbid silo
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Oops I mean to swap out another skill with Multishot

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cause the synergy between Shadow REnd and Multishot is nice

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Let me see here

main frigate
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🤔 Oh. Maybe you need a upgrade for the build you posted

turbid silo
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I need to change what I posted, yes

main frigate
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Add items you prefered on this build too please :)

turbid silo
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I will try, that takes some time

main frigate
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Boots, gloves, relics, helmets, idols etc

wild knot
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only level 4 but shadow rend feels kinda nice. getting that early is kewl

turbid silo
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Yeah super nice

main frigate
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🤔 Wait, if you didn't play burning daggers yet, which build for marksman is what your played before?

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Or you don't give a play for this mastery yet?

turbid silo
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I haven't done a Marksman yet - I've done Bladedancer so far 🙂

main frigate
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Oh so I ask your black hole by accident. Cool, it'll an interesting coversation of logic

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Pre-plan your marksman lol

turbid silo
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Haha, this is helping!

main frigate
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It need more time on planning if you never play this mastery indeed

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Make sense that different definitions of new skills we have too

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All of them are new for you hhhhh

severe socket
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👋 Derrick, Muffin.

main frigate
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Yes EHG is a team which let me have similar feelings often

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Because we speak in different channels

wraith portal
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every time i launch i get e-51 twice and then my third launch allows me to log in, then about 1/4 of the time I get a character screen error and have to restart anyway

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ive tried reinstalling and verifying anyone else experiencing this?

turbid silo
severe socket
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As much as I hope the changes to Dark Quiver I proposed earlier take form in one way or another, I have creeping doubts about it.

coarse swallow
viral halo
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Hey there,

just some general thinking... cause i more or less read everything in here... xD
The feedback from:
#feedback message
Would Rank 11 from CoF "Items that drop as rare have a 25% chance to drop as exalted" try to convert these rewards to exalted items or is that echo reward a fixed reward?!

As for CoF, this echo reward would be a decent one then. Good for shards and good for 100-200 corruption in my eyes, because you start to need exalts only in the 2nd half of the Harbinger faction, in my eyes, so 150+.
That reward would be bad for MG i would say, but not entirely for CoF players. Getting decent yellow items feels okay in the early progression. Getting flooded with only exalts instead and always exlated not rare, would be a bit too much.

Just some thoughts.... 🤔

main frigate
plucky storm
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Dude these black market tokens are so useful earlier on.

coarse swallow
main frigate
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I ask for them to personal study only

simple bison
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the references they used for their environments?

main frigate
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Yes, these pictures about real architectures & real items

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Belong to work of concept artists, if make it clearer

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Derek should know more details

coarse swallow
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You're looking for concept art for the Circle of Fortune's observatory?

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I don't think we have any concept art from the observatory we can share unfortunately.

turbid silo
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I think she's looking for reference material (i.e. real life locations)

main frigate
coarse swallow
median pivot
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Hello everyone, sorry for the long text
I'm having a problem in this game and I'd like to know if this is common or if it's just happening to me
Idk if this is the right channel for this (I apologize if it isn't)
I simply get dc every time I enter an area where I can see other players
I can play on the monolith for 8 hours without any problems; this only happens in areas where I can see other players
I've already followed the recommendations in the "Know Issues" tab, I use ExitLag and it still happens. Is there any other solution?

tame rune
coarse swallow
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coarse swallow
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If you haven't verified game files, that would be the best first step

viral halo
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coarse swallow
# main frigate Do you mean CM can't ask art stuff from art team?

We can't just release internal resources at will unfortunately. They may be slated for some special use, may have resources on them for future content, or may have some other special restriction. We have to go through an approval process every time we release art.

main frigate
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How am I go through an approval?

coarse swallow
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It's something we would only do for an event, such as a stream, or in coordinated marketing. It's a process that takes time from team members working on the game, losing development time, and the associated cost of those hours, sorry.

main frigate
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Oh so back to hire an sr. CM thing

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Only that future CM can apply the approval

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It'll a disaster if he/she don't know art at all... Facepalm

simple bison
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That's... not connected

median pivot
main frigate
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It match with Kain's words.

median pivot
simple bison
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Oh yeah, vpn's and proxy's cause issues all the time

viral halo
# median pivot I bought this game over the weekend, it was the first time I installed it and ev...

oh, i see...
I don't know if the "player" areas are on a different server than the instanced areas, i had the feeling some time ago.... maybe your provider has some routing problems towards these areas IF they could be on different servers at all?!

Can't give any more input on that sadly, good luck on your end 🙏

Maybe a bit uncommon, but maybe IPv6 protocoll might be a problem? Some websites at least hate that and if you disable it the website magically runs smooth xD
(This is an option you find in your internet connection area, by rightclicking that connection and than go to properties or so...)

native mirage
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Any info on farming LP 3 foot of the mountain? About how many dungeons on avg at t4?

viral halo
median pivot
native mirage
viral halo
viral halo
native mirage
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twin wyvern
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Hello. Is the in-game bug reporting tool the best place to report bugs? I've been using it a fair bit this season, and wanted to know if there is also some other place I should be writing that stuff down.

willow sentinel
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It is the best place

half wind
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polar sand
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Today is the day we will get imprint fix? heavybreathing

simple bison
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they're not bugged

polar sand
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Wdym multi exalts imprint doesn't work

simple bison
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it does

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it just got nerfed

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also there was never a multi exalt imprint

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it just could and still can drop multi exalts

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it's not meant specifically for multi exalts

polar sand
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No they don't work, if they drop 20 times rarer essentially they don't exist anymore

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They are broken

simple bison
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lol

south moat
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Don't think they'll make a balance change like that mid season

simple bison
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definitely not

half wind
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"Please press F8 ingame to report your issue" 🙂

polar sand
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😭

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I hope they will fix it or rebalance however anyone's wants to call it. Late game really sucks without it.

simple bison
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I personally disagree, I think it'd be better if they removed imprints altogether the way they work currently (and were working before the nerf)

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I don't think they're healthy for the game

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That's not to say they shouldn't be replaced with something else though

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I think the idea was good but the execution was poor

polar sand
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Removing imprinting will be very healthy for PoE

marble axle
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it would

polar sand
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Nail to the coffin, the day they remove imprint I'm moving to PoE and never look back

south moat
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Think they said they agree they overnerfed them

simple bison
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I agree with that too but I don't think they should just buff them, they need a restructure imo

south moat
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But that doesn't mean they'll buff them to be as good as they were
because they don't want them to be the best way to get gear

simple bison
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The only way to stop that is to make it so the item you put in doesn't scale the output power wise. which is what I want

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because they'll become the best source of the best items no matter what eventually the way they work currently

polar sand
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They've worked perfectly with LP and crafting, now crafting is almost pointless late game

simple bison
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Was it pointless before imprints existed? no, we just went back to how it was before

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this is a classic case of why if you give players something it's 100x harder to take it away, because they think like this

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Nothing died so imprints could exist

polar sand
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No it wasn't because you could craft for multi exalt leggies, now it is pointless with imprint nerf

simple bison
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I'm talking before imprints existed

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they were introduced in season 2

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They're a new addition to the game

polar sand
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It is the only addition that keeps game fun at late stage when you want to min max. Wtf they take away the toys?

simple bison
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Because the toy was insanely op lol

polar sand
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No it wasn't, it was fun and they going the early PoE road where player fun was enemy

simple bison
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The fact that the entirety of endgame item progression hinged on this one single thing is proof of it

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It meant that stuff like ground loot, prophecy rewards and pretty much every other system that gave items were overshadowed by this one thing that was so insanely strong that it was the only thing that could drop items of a certain power

polar sand
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It was essential mechanic now player retention shows how big mistake was to nerf it

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It wasn't overshadowed, you still had to use everything to get decent item

simple bison
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The player retention is no different this season from previous ones. Season 3 which had higher peak players had the same amount of players around this time after the season launch

polar sand
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It was very well tuned, it allowed for multi exalts items late game, now it is essentially impossible

simple bison
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It was so insanely not well tuned that is a crazy thing to say x)

polar sand
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It was very well tuned they should revert the nerf

simple bison
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If a single mechanic is the cornerstone for you entire item progression so much so that nerfing it causes you to think endgame item progression is completely destroyed then it was not well tuned

polar sand
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Taking away imprint killed all the progression, you basically can do up to 1T7 and the rng corrupt and that's it

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It made multi LPs and crafting meaningless

willow sentinel
south moat
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Oh hey, a gif from Vlad that isn't borkedfor once

simple bison
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gotem

polar sand
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Before or after the nerf, I was equally shit at this game, which is proof that it didn’t change the balance it only made the game less fun to play

short vessel
simple bison
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Sure but then I'd like to see it restructured as a CoF only thing

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but that would get massive backlask too lul

short vessel
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nah, IMO give CoF a level that reduces the nerfs

simple bison
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Sure that'd be fine too, but I still wouldn't want imprints to be the sole thing holding up CoF

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They're changing how prophecies work next season so we'll see how it ends up

short vessel
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prophecies need to be better true

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but fundamentally CoF needs to heavily touch on all loot avenues

simple bison
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I'm totally on-board with imprints being better for CoF. But I still don't like how they function where a better input equals on average a better output. It's a self feeding loop where you get better and better gear until it's the only thing capable of producing gear of a certain power

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Imo all imprints should be is "I want more of this unique or base type" and that's it

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they shouldn't scale whatsoever with the input item imo

short vessel
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that would fundamentally ruin them for CoF

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i feel

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it makes them basically prophecies

simple bison
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So be it. The only way to get better gear on average should be doing harder content imo, not doing the exact same content and slowly improving your imprint

short vessel
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i feel like that's more harmful than the alternative

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cos that pressures people into meta builds

simple bison
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I disagree, I would be fine it they completely deleted imprints with no recourse

simple bison
# short vessel cos that pressures people into meta builds

Yes that's fine. Obviously it's not a good thing to feel preassured into playing meta builds but to me the entire point of an arpg is doing harder and harder content for better and better rewards, imprints in their current form go completely against this

south moat
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Imagine if imprint slots wer ejust given to CoF

simple bison
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Now obviously doing harder content is still worthwhile despite imprints, but no single system should go against that paradigm imo

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If the imprint scaled with corruption that'd be fine with me, but then the input would still be static

short vessel
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also a big part of LE's endgame loot design is that fundamentally scaling harder content isn't supposed to scale your loot that much?

simple bison
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as in "i want non-unique rings" is all the input you can give it and the output is solely dependant on your corruption

simple bison
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and they don't want to make it so those insane builds get like 4 T7 exalts

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maybe the corruption tiers and whatever else they're doing in LE:O will help alleviate that

short vessel
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i disagree, i think it's good game design to prevent build Fomo and reduce the amount of pressure to just stick to meta builds because diverging hurts your ability to progress

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ofc fundamentally stronger builds can progress better anyway

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you don't need to rich get richer them

simple bison
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I think that's a valid opinion and that it's just a matter of preference on that topic honestly. Regardless we don't need imprints to scale with an input item for either side of that topic to be happy

simple bison
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To me it completely defeats the point of trying to strive for power

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Let's say our baseline is being able to do all content

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should a build that's twice as strong as a build that can just about do the hardest content not get rewarded somehow?

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if not then what's even the point of getting better gear for either one

short vessel
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it already is

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it gets through that content faster, it progresses its build faster

simple bison
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That's not necessarily true

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being stronger doesn't mean you're faster

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some builds move at mach 5 while only being able to do like 500 corruption

short vessel
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it absolutely is, because gear upgrades scale exponentially in terms of chance of acquisition

simple bison
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while others move at 100% movement speed but can do 5000 corruption

short vessel
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a stronger build fundamentally does content with more common gear

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gradually, it will simply outpace the weaker build in content completion by virtue of it having to delve less into that degree of exponential chance scaling

simple bison
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Okay let's say me and you are playing two builds, we're gotten though the early and mid game and are now at the late game. Let's say it took me 3 days less than you because I'm playing a stronger build and could do abby and ubby with less gear. What is left in the game to motivate me to push harder content IE corruption, if higher corruption does nothing but make enemies stronger?

short vessel
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why would you do it anyway when it already does extremely little?

simple bison
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Just because you're capped at 1000 corruption shouldn't mean my loot should also get capped at 1000 corruption no?

short vessel
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why do people do it?

simple bison
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Because it does make a difference

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you're saying you think it'd be good design if it didn't make a difference

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But that would completely obliterate any motivation outside of I guess leaderboards for pushing content

short vessel
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i don't think it makes nearly as much difference as people percieve it to

simple bison
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I mean we have the math behind it

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it does a pretty decent chunk

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There's no gated loot in LE above 500 corruption so you'll see people get insane loot at like 200 corruption or whatever

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but people at 3000 get that same loot like 2x as often

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(random numbers, don't read into it too hard)

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But I think the fact that people at low corruption from time to time get something insane heavily skews the perception of corruption doing very little

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it actually does a decent amount

short vessel
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cyborg i'ma need more than random numbers on this one rofl

simple bison
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I mean you can look at lp scaling for example

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the difference between 500 and 1000 corruption is fairly decent

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and LP is actually one of the worst scaling things

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since it's logarithmic scaling and bad logarithmic scaling at that

short vessel
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i've looked into LP scaling plenty and no, it isn't a fairly decent difference lol

simple bison
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Let's say we're talking about the ash wake boots, 60 lpl

short vessel
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sure

simple bison
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at 500 corruption on CoF your chance of getting 0 lp is 41%

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Actually kinda terrible example the lpl is too high lmao. so yeah in this case the scaling is horrible to onlky like 39%

short vessel
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it's not that the LPL is too high

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it's just that LP chance scaling with corr is just like that

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look at aberrant call

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38 lpl

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3lp is a relevant LP for this

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at 500 corr it's 1.1%

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at 2000 it's 1.19%

simple bison
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12->8%, to get 0lp between 500 and 1000

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that's not bad imo

short vessel
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...who cares about 0->1lp numbers on aberrant call?

simple bison
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not 0 -> 1 lp, but 0 to any lp

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you can't just look at the odds of getting 1lp, you have to look at the odds of getting 1 or higher

short vessel
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whoops, yeah, but the vast bulk of that is into 1lp

simple bison
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I mean yeah? 1 in 25 get lp extra is not bad

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Like I said lp scaling is one of the worst scalings in the game

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but even so this is a difference

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if you're hunting for 2lp+ it's worthwhile

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plus you have to consider you're dropping more of them in general

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now systems like prophecies and stuff have made ground loot kinda obselete tbh but it's still a thing

short vessel
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no i'm not taking into account random drops for this on CoF

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lol

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no

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cmon mna

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if MG, sure

simple bison
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I mean I just said they're basically obselete I agree with you

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But my point remains, if these scalings didn't exist at all the only reason to ever go above 500 corruption would be leaderboard

short vessel
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okay lets steelman this

simple bison
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why make the game harder for no additional reward

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the fact that it scales at all makes it worth pushing to me

short vessel
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IMO the strongest loot scaling with corruption is rare boss drops

simple bison
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That is true

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it's not a horrible log scaling lul

short vessel
simple bison
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Why not though

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It inherently preassures people to play stronger builds

short vessel
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mostly cos people would hate the idea ._. like optics matters

simple bison
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I mean I think both of our stances would be horrible for optics currently lul

short vessel
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i mean

simple bison
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mine is to remove imprints as they are now (and maybe replace them with something else) and improve corruption scaling up to a limit. I'd prefer it if we had a corruption cap.

short vessel
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my stance is essentially

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"current loot scaling is fine, imprints needed nerfing but not this much and they HAVE to allow CoF to multi-exalt farm to give item faction parity in multi exalt access"

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cos having played MG this season

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the average player still has multi-exalt access through MG

simple bison
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as in current imprints

short vessel
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no, imprints are perfect for it because any "multi-exalt content" will inherently annihilate any sense of item faction parity

simple bison
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Like to me a perfect world would be having corruption capped at let's say 1000, and any reasonable build with good enough gear can do near 1000 corruption. with the strongest builds being able to do 1000 corruption comfortably. And having multi exalts start dropping at like 700-800 corruption and be more common towards 1000 corruption

short vessel
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if there is multi-exalt content

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then that's all MG will be

simple bison
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And then they'd make arena not garbage

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and people can compete in arena

short vessel
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the market would be absolutely flooded with multi-exalts

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double

simple bison
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I mean I wouldn't mind that

short vessel
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triple

simple bison
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Why are we limiting who has access to multi exalts if it shouldn't be tied to insane difficulty of content

short vessel
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it's not about limiting access

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i mean they would immediately become the default

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on MG

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like

simple bison
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I mean right now people feel like they should be the default everywhere from the looks of it after having imprints just spew them out for a couple seasons

short vessel
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and i agree that's bad!

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they were accessible in MG this season

simple bison
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Okay good I do too. But if we keep imprints as they are now and just buff them a bit, that would still become the case

short vessel
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and that's all they should be

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because there was typically a stronger alternative

simple bison
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Because imprints currently don't really scale with content, anyone can get them to the points of printing multi exalts eventually if they buff them to where getting multi exalts from them is reasonable again

short vessel
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in mass slamming like, 7+5 stuff to go for corruptions

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and double T7 was typically relegated for when you didn't have a good corruption to go for

simple bison
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If anyone gets multi exalts from current imprints, everyone gets multi exalts with them. I think that's bad

short vessel
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i think that's fine on CoF

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i don't think it's fine on MG

simple bison
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I completely disagree honestly .I think it's horrible if someone at 100 corruption can slowly build up to multi exalts through imprints

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(extreme example)

short vessel
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MG can farm at 100 corr to get multi exalts

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and you can't stop that

simple bison
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True I don't mind that

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as long as they earn a pittance at 100 corruption

short vessel
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why draw the line at CoF doing that

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i mean they really don't

simple bison
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if it takes them 10x the time then they can torture themselves to get multi exalts

short vessel
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even with your idea for imprints

simple bison
short vessel
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you know what i found to be the strongest money maker in MG this season?

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imprinting titan heart

simple bison
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I'm not surprised

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and I think that's bad

short vessel
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we both know that doesn't scale much with corr

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why?

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it's a meta build item

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and even if it wasn't titan heart

simple bison
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Imagine if imprint proc rate scaled with corruption, so that if you tried imprint grinding a meta item at 100 corruption you barely ever got any and as such needed to grind way more for insane items

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I think that'd be great

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but currently you just imprint a meta item, print it and sell it for nearly as much money as people doing way harder content

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I think that's horrible

short vessel
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i think it's fine, because it lets you play what you want to play

simple bison
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The only exceptions are things like exulis and ubby items that are pinnacle boss specific

short vessel
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and guess what, those uber boss items are even better money makers sooo

simple bison
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I completely disagree, if you're playing a shitty build that can only do 200 corruption you shouldn't be coddled and rewarded nearly as much as someone doing 1000+ corruption

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And trust me I think you know I don't play the most meta builds either