💬┃general

[fallow elbow]

is the movement speed node on warpath not reflected on character sheet? I dont know how i go from 120 ms on character sheet to 100 ms when spinning which is is not a straight 80% (120 x 0.8 = 96) or (150 x 0.8 = 120)

[simple bison]

swap out your red ring for sunwreath and aoe the entire screen x)

[mighty abyss]

Anyone else getting kicked from the game frequently? first browsing in the bazaar then selecting monos.

[willow sentinel]

Wrong Vlad

[simple bison]

wtf

[willow sentinel]

I am more a pvt person

[simple bison]

mb other vlad lmao

[sour onyx]

how does Maehlin's Hubris work? if i have 100% bleed on a skill in the tree does it get converted to ignite?

[slender patrol]

i'm having very poor performance lately... 🙁 rx6900 xt, and amd 5800x3d... fresh windows install...

[ivory musk]

Drivers up to date after windows install?

[errant sundial]

We need to start a support group for victims of Poison Bone Spike from Congealed Sludge

[rancid pulsar]

hate when I find a poison bone spike in my morning bowl of congealed sludge

[undone cedar]

i stoped the game before S1, and i love what it become in S4

[inner finch]

Its... interesting what 3 years of game development can do to a game

[rancid pulsar]

strides for sure!

big ones? I suppose that's subjective

[undone wave]

Another 7 years, and they might actually fix the memory leak for real this time

[inner finch]

Now that ive finished Crimson Desert, and somehow 170 or so hours disappeared im... not entirely sure i wanna join S4. I might take a raincheck and come back when S5 is out to a more wholly accumilated list of changes

[hard basalt]

might as well wait for S6 expac

[molten fulcrum]

Did it on 1k corruption with spin2win, only issue is random white monsters like sludges that hit 6k each

[rancid pulsar]

yeah it feels very dependent on having good radial clear with your damage, not so much the raw DPS you're doing

[inner finch]

Im quite the opposite to this opinion

[rancid pulsar]

I'm playing the dot pool smite build and the clear is fine but for dense content like that, not a great fit

[inner finch]

I think that S5 will be a celebration of EHG's Last Epoch

And that's for people who are reading this to interpret what i mean by it.

[rancid pulsar]

s6 orobyss gets released from his crusty prison and you can put him back in for the low low price of 15 american dollars

what a steal

[errant sundial]

I've been playing every other season the additions each season has been awesome.

MG/CoF was huge obv.
Weaver season.

The corrupted items is a great change imo.

[ashen raptor]

so on maxroll, the interactive visual parts (skills and gear) havent been loading on any of my web browsers for a few weeks now. anyone else having issues?

[undone wave]

Instead of nerfing Falconer, they'll just make the DLC class 100x stronger

[errant sundial]

DLC Pigeoner. Has like 12 birds.

[molten fulcrum]

New paywalled classes will 1 shot 5-man party uber aberroth

With 10% of its max hit

[rancid pulsar]

It better, honestly

would be disappointing if after all that fanfare it's horribly fair and balanced

[wintry bridge]

Hey folks, I have a question about attack speed. Is the Increased attack speed on the weapon multiplicative against the weapons base attack speed like in some other ARPGs, or is it additive with all other sources of attack speed, and then multiplied by weapon base attack speed? Thanks in advance.

[tall tundra]

hell yeah just got my first Red ring drop and it dropped with 1lp

[twilit grove]

the fireball bullet hell in omen hit like a truck

[simple bison]

All sources of increased attack speed are added together and then multiplied with the weapons base attack rate which is then multiplied by the skills base speed

[wintry bridge]

Good to know! Thank you!

[errant sundial]

When skills scale off two attributes, how is that scaling calculated? Do you guys know?

Is it like int multiplier * dex multiplier?

Or is it added both together for a singular multiplier?

[rancid pulsar]

when something is "increased" it means it'll be additive with stuff that does the same thing

i.e. if your shatter strike is getting increased damage from Dex from Int and from increased elemental damage on your ring, that's all added before multiplying, so you have some diminishing returns there

not every skill has the regular 4% increased damage per point of attribute, so always double-check to make sure, but most of them do

[raven holly]

Corruption made me finally understand why people have a hard time quitting gambling !

This shit is SO. MUCH. FUN. 😂

[queen pond]

Anyone got some ideas for what builds would work well together for a 3-4 man party in hardcore?

[turbid silo]

Glad you're enjoying it !

[queen pond]

Looking for builds that would buff each other / synergyze well together

[primal abyss]

Personally, I usually solo HC and it doesn't last for long so I don't have any suggestions there but perhaps folks in #🪦┃hc-discussion could help out or provide some more insight

[raven holly]

Got a huge corruption chain of maxing stats, getting good affixes on my gear and idols this morning. It felt really good and thrilling.

[vernal crest]

Respec skill feels so bad

takes way to long get point back

[inner finch]

I think EHG got the memo pretty straight, I hope. At least from Rax's video

[vernal crest]

i hope so

[primal abyss]

We do peek at videos and the like 🙂

[turbid silo]

Nice! That sounds thrilling just reading it haha

[hard basalt]

guys while you're here, can you check what happened to devouring orb hits not applying debuffs bug

[slender patrol]

sure

[hard basalt]

I reported this on the bug section on season 2 and it's apparently still here

I can't even find that old bug section anymore

[reef dock]

What's it gonna take to have the old Spirits of Fire(?) boss "CORRUPT" voice line play when I use a rune of corruption?

[slender patrol]

the performances are horrible with shadow rend build

[last egret]

most likely because aside from shadow rend you also proccing 500 cascades per second?

[slender patrol]

i would agree to be a problem, but with a 6900 xt, a 5800x3d as proc, 32 gb ram and a fresh debloated windows install, on a m.2 ssd, i should be able to be above 20 fps

[last egret]

i mean the build all flashy explody etc, the game just cant handle that

it is what it is

[steep river]

If you hold Alt when you're looking at the Skill, it should list the stat scaling. For example +4% damage per Intelligence or whatever. I believe those are increased, so additive.

[inner finch]

Nothing on this green planet of ours can handle LE's light-source spam builds, not even a 5090 and a 9950X3D

[slender patrol]

then flame reave and devouring orb are also problematic?

in s3 i had way more performance

[last egret]

nah they are pretty optimized by this game standarts

[slender patrol]

hum, i reinstalled windows but i don't think the xmp profile did change

i should check that

[last egret]

the performance for some skills is something, like shadow rend does 1/8 of screen clutter that Kinetic Blast does in PoE and despite that its till way more performance running around shooting 20 explosions from KB

[primal abyss]

If you are able to reproduce it in-game, open up the IGBR via F8 and submit a report with as much info as you can

[hard basalt]

does it pull gameplay from x mins ago?

should I reproduce it first and f8, or just f8 now and write it up

[primal abyss]

Reproduce it if you can, if not you can submit one but the closest to when it happens, the better

[hard basalt]

welp, slam worked out

guess that's my karma

report submitted, hope it gets fixed this time

[primal abyss]

Thank you for that and happy to hear you had a good slam.

[errant sundial]

Yeah I realize that part. I was just wondering if it was one cumulative bucket or separate buckets. Thanks for the explanation!

Also, is % damage from attributes scaling a diff bucket from % increased damage from other sources?

Like, each point of (attribute) vs Increased damage from fire damage on your ring. Are diff buckets right?

I don't know if I'm understanding correctly lol. I kinda wing it a bit tbh.

Under most circumstances, it doesn't matter. Just curious how it's calculated in le

[steep river]

I believe the game puts all those increases together, additive. This part of the in game guide goes over the math for flat added, increased/reduced additive, and more/less multiplicative https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/increased_added_and_more

[errant sundial]

My planner calculates all my additive % increases but doesn't account for attributes in that list.

So I assumed it was a separate bucket for attribute scaling.

[cerulean shard]

i know this has to have been asked a thousand times. what is madness?

[errant sundial]

I still think it might be. Can anyone confirm?

[hard basalt]

since they're additive they'd be in the same metaphorical bucket

additives are one big happy family

[errant sundial]

Icic makes sense it won't appear in planner cuz it depends on the skill used.

Thanks guys. Makes sense.

[steep river]

Hold Alt and it'll give a description. It replaces the default bonus for an Attribute with a different bonus.

Intelligence usually gives +2% Ward Retention per point. Madness changes it to instead give both

• 1% Spell Critical Multiplier per point.
• 1% increased bonus damage taken from critical strikes per point.

[simple jolt]

every time i watch star wars i want to do a lightning coldsnap build but it's so bad lol

[cerulean shard]

ahhh thank you. i completely forgot about the Alt thing to see description. my bad. again thank you

[steep river]

Unfortunately the planners don't have much for DPS calculations yet. LE Tools planner just has a couple so far.

If you're familiar with PoB for PoE, people are working on making a fork of that for LE, but it's still a work in progress https://github.com/Musholic/LastEpochPlanner and https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1sar1j2/last_epoch_planner_v0110_corrupted_affixes_minion/

[wild badge]

so endgame is just even more Nemesis grind now? 😭

[night marten]

it basically always was...how'd you get your multi exalt in the first place?

[wild badge]

ya but now it's just even more

[night marten]

nah...pretty much the same

thats how you get the multi exalts. pretty much everytime

unless you just got a good drop

[wild badge]

but back then i could imprint them

[night marten]

you still can

[wild badge]

i only needed one good

now i need a nemesis drop for every craft i try

[wild badge]

not for multi exalted tho

[night marten]

yes...you can. nothing is stopping you

reduced rate doesnt mean 0

[hard basalt]

just like, 90% less

[wild badge]

if the rate is lower than just getting a second exalted from nemesis instead, it's practically 0

because there is no reason to bother with the mechanic then

[hard basalt]

endgame is slamming 7/5s and corrupting now

[errant sundial]

Yeah that's okay. As long as I know how it works, I can at least properly weigh stats against each other.

I was overvaluing attributes cuz I thought it was a diff bucket than other % additive.

Thanks again

In diablo 4, attribute scaling and other % damage scaling are separate buckets afaik. In LE, apparently same bucket

[night marten]

you know what...i am so tired of having this discussion. idc anymore

just make all teh gear drop at t7

that way no one is missing out on anything ever

[wild badge]

you missed the point then

[hexed coral]

I mean ive dropped 2 red rings from prophecy, 2 from imprint, the idea that I can invest ONCE into prophecies for red rings, and imprint them, and then focus on other slots while I essentially afk farm the chase unique EVERY build wants is fine

its RARE for a reason

I like that tbh

imagine dropping 10 magebloods a day

and youre not even a valdo farmer

get real man

prophecies make it so easy

use redemptions

on double exalts

like

chillllllll

[night marten]

it doesnt matter. any nerf=bad doesnt matter what it means for the game

[rare dune]

fun not allowed

[hexed coral]

the game is already loot explosion sim

if you want items right away go to offline

[night marten]

should never fail, should never have anything bad happen

[errant sundial]

I mean, if that's what you want it to be.

I try to push pretty far in this game but multi T7 exalts have never been a realistic goal for me lol. LP2 T7 T5, is as far as I go.

Now there's corruption, so T7 T5 good corruption is already pretty ambitious.

If multi T7 is your gear aspiration, yah Nemesis spam is prob the quickest path there, but mind you, that's just cuz these pieces are harder to come by now vs when imprints were busted.

[wild badge]

my point was just that the best endgame mechnic for uniques AND exalted is nemesis....
why not make different mechanics?

[steep river]

Thankfully, most stuff fits into the increased/reduced additive and more/less multiplicative. There's a few odd wordings like Doom ailment gives enemies "4% increased Melee Damage Taken" but that's apparently multiplicative even though it mentions increased.

[night marten]

just make everything drop lp4 and all t7s

[hexed coral]

exactly

[night marten]

that way no one was to work and play the game for anything

[hexed coral]

double T7 is a pipe dream insan

[night marten]

just log in and complain the game is too easy

[hexed coral]

I mean, it would be cool if there was a DIFFICULT HARD way of attaining them deterministicly (which there is)

[night marten]

and that there isnt enough content for your 2 hours of perfect gear

[hexed coral]

getting 30 doublle T7s that you NEED every day is ridiculous

[errant sundial]

Like, gear economy is an ever changing thing season to season.

If T7 T7 was the thing to do in prev seasons and isn't anymore, adapt to the new thing.

[hexed coral]

it takes the value away from the fact that it is literally BIS

[inner finch]

Virtually improbable gear is how one ARPG got to be relevant for over 25 years

[wild badge]

ya they can be rarer, but have if use different systems for uniques and exalted, even T7/5 is hard with the low FP from exalted that arent from nemesis

[hearty ferry]

a product has to adtapt itself to reach the costumers, not the way around, haven't you heard about that?

[earnest prism]

just had a omen running out from the arena bro escaped 👀

[hard basalt]

fear is fun

[hexed coral]

nah thats how you end up with D4

and retail wow

boring slop

give me chase items

[errant sundial]

Also, the more geared you already are, the more scarce and tiny future upgrades will be. That is just the nature of ARPGs man.

If you're at a point where T7 T7 slam is the most feasible upgrade for your current situation, you're prob in the 99.99% percentile in gear quality. Can't complain that you can't upgrade quickly anymore.

[hexed coral]

not items I get because I clicked a button or imprinted into the "drop for free" slots

[hearty ferry]

with milions players and keeping up while the supreme super ultra best arpg ever made is.... loosing?

[wild badge]

still not the point 🚬

[errant sundial]

Maybe not the point you want to arrive at but it's the truth

[hexed coral]

is that why poe1 is still the most played arpg of all time or

[hard basalt]

his point is that there's no alternative to Nem

[hexed coral]

are you saying D4 is more popular bc its not

[hard basalt]

it's the truth but it's kinda offtopic to what he's talking about

[hexed coral]

try to guess how many viewers d4 has on season start vs poe

its not close

its orders of magnitude in difference

d4 is watered down slop

good for them cornering the watered down arpg market

[errant sundial]

My endgame is a mixture of uber farm, omens veil farm, regular echo chains. Woven or omen/beast stuff. Some Nemesis.

Choose your own experience. If you wanna farm Nemesis nonstop, you do you.

[hexed coral]

dont ask for LE to join them though...

LE has some real potential, and Im a POE addict

[wild badge]

not every build can rawdog uber, some need gear

[hexed coral]

if they follow D4 in tailoring content to literal mouth breathers, its gg

[hearty ferry]

the eternal potential king

[errant sundial]

What build you playing that double T7 exalted is the make or break between defeating uber?

😂

[hearty ferry]

been seeing ppl talking about potential from years now but im still waiting for it to show up in any of the new updates

[hexed coral]

yeah I killed uber and I dont have a single double T7

I agree im still not satisfied

but

to say you want OP mechanics in the game for more than the season they are released is silly

even GGG adds a new broken mechanic for players to mess around with every league, then next season when it goes core, they make it a lesser version

its basic

[errant sundial]

Many builds can beat uber before they get to a point where their only upgrade path is farming Nemesis for double exalts.

This is a build issue my friend

Not a game issue

[hexed coral]

people just want to outgear it bc they die due to positioning diff

its a get good issue

my build kills uber in 2min flat

thats pretty fast

[wild badge]

double T7 still not the main point for me. my build requires different gear for uber ( i havent even tried him yet ) instead of the gear i use for echos. so i just need overall more gear - and all this is all through nemesis

[errant sundial]

The less skill you have, the more gear you need. And the less gear you have, the more skill you need.

Every arpg

[hexed coral]

and if I dont position correctly, I die

There should however, for every game, be a point where you are ABLE to get gear sufficient enough to insta phase ubers tho

like POE you can straight up get a BILLION DPS if you invest enough into an ice trap build

or a strength stacker

but ice trap is better for burst and insta phasing

LE doesn't seem to like that, and nerfs shit that come close

[wild badge]

i m not fighting a boss for 20min where i m not allowed to be hit once
this aint dark souls

[hexed coral]

if it takes 20min you need better gear

[wild badge]

that's what i said no? xd

[hexed coral]

you prob dont even have LP1 with 1 T7 slam if it takes that long

you shouldnt be looking for double t7 if it takes 20 min

you cant go from crawling to running in the olympics lmao

[wild badge]

idk how long it will take, havent tried yet

[hexed coral]

so why make that point

[wild badge]

i can do one try tho

[wild badge]

other people had around that time with the build

[hexed coral]

also depends on your build, if you are trying to make a more tanky build, thats one way to counter uber, vs zhp giga dps builds

which build

judgement pally?

took me 10min last season with judgement and mostly lp1 with some lp2s

[wild badge]

ya i also said i need different gear for echos and uber, i need to be more tanky for uber so i can take a hit, but dmg will get lower with this then

[hexed coral]

very slow fight but I was unkillable

[wild badge]

i m doing heartseeker

[hexed coral]

ah Im not a rogue player so I cant estimate there, but rogue should be higher dps vs tanky

you should prob lean into as much damage as possible tbh

[wild badge]

i can tank maybe one hit but no more then lmao

[hexed coral]

bc some of his mechanics, unless you have block, a shit ton or armour, maxed res and some extra DR on top of that + 4.5k hp you will prob get 1 shot still

like ground of destruction is insta 1 shot for my build always

even if I step on it for .1 sec

[rigid sable]

Is there a way to unstick? I occasionally get an issue where my character locks in place mid-animation. Abilities don't work, I can't move, I just stand there. Now that I'm in monoliths, it matters a bit more having a way to fix it.

[hexed coral]

so every fight, my only goal is to make sure that shit is NEVER where I am going to be walking

ever

or else the pull is bricked

[wild badge]

wait i need to be on 500 corr for it or?

[hexed coral]

otherwise I kill him in like 2min

Ill time it in a min

yes

500 min to place the echo

[wild badge]

then i need to do that first

[hexed coral]

and it doesnt scale with corruption, so im at 800 and its the same as if it were 500, boss hp is the same always

[wild badge]

ya i read that already in the note of the echo

[errant sundial]

That's so out of context. I'm talking about adapting to season mechanics lmao.

[hexed coral]

@night marten btw I was a "imprint was fun why nerf" stan a week ago, but honestly the fun of the game does get stale for me in previous seasons, where as im stilling playing it rn bc I have goals still and want to find red rings for getting a cool corrupt and stuff. So like, retention as a goal for the nerf is working for me, because the dopamine spikes are larger bc less frequent. But the loot goblins will always complain. anyway no need to reply, but just know, coming to the light is always possible.

[main totem]

rarity from corruption is applied to the area though. It says it isn't affected by corruption and it is indeed missing the health/damage bonuses from active modifiers, but it still shows rarity and experience in active modifiers.

[hexed coral]

pretty sure uber does not give xp tho, but maybe it affects boss drops

I have gotten shattered worlds and immortal vise with lp from only a handful of kills already

[rigid sable]

How is this not in known issues? This season I've, at least 5 times, had this happen. Character freezes, can't move, can't activate abilities.

[main totem]

becasue it isn't happening to others?

[primal abyss]

As soon as this happens, hit F8 and submit an IGBR

[rigid sable]

I've done it 3 times iirc. The other couple times I just exited and played something else.

[hard basalt]

a lot of things don't get to known issues

[errant sundial]

I was really upset at myself for not imprinting red ring first time. I assumed it just increased the rate proportionate to its innate drop rate, so I'm better off imprinting items that I sell often.

Didn't know I bricked my lottery ticket dispenser.

But it would have trivialized the whole season for me if I had unlimited MG gear.

I feel you on this.

[hexed coral]

it did happen to me actually

just had to alt f4 tbh

I could actually interact with the UI, swap abilities on hotbar, click social panel etc. but couldnt move or use abilities

very weird

[primal abyss]

Quite weird. If you submit IGBR, it most def will be looked into

[hexed coral]

yeah if you go MG and you get a red ring, I would imprint that shit insta despite the nerfs. im a COF guy and even still I just run it in 2 imprint slots while I farm prophecies for other things tbh

[hexed coral]

happened during campaign day 1, so I doubt any submission would do anything besides create a report for you guys. If its still useful even without relevant logs/game data Ill make one just so it shows up on the back end for you guys

[errant sundial]

I did. I was complaining yesterday about the nerfs. And then a red ring dropped last night lol.

They're not as valuable as they used to be tho. There are other alternatives now. Legends entwined. Even the new corruption rings can make insane stats

[simple bison]

Dancing strike?

[hexed coral]

yeah the corruption rings are grabbing my attention, I havent farmed them yet. I assume the new boss drops them?

[rigid sable]

Same. The skill buttons even "depress" when I hit the key, but nothing happens. Menus work, but the character is frozen and can't activate abilities, traversal or otherwise.

[hexed coral]

I killed uber but not the new boss lmao

[errant sundial]

I had an incredible one in my hands

And corrupted it one too many times

Lmao

[primal abyss]

creating a report for us when it happens helps us the most. So if it happens again, help us out and submit that.

[hexed coral]

will do

[hexed coral]

hit f8 and submit a report if it lets you

[primal abyss]

Thank you very much!

[rigid sable]

Nope. I'm pretty sure it happened once on my sentinel and the other times have all been on acolyte. I'm pretty sure it isn't a specific skill/action that triggers it. I'll just be running around playing and suddenly be frozen.

[errant sundial]

When i corrupt something and fail, can't help but laugh. It's just such a troll.

[simple bison]

Huh interesting I know there's a but with dancing strikes that is kinda consistent but I hadn't heard about it otherwise

[pliant geyser]

New player here. Any channel where we d4 refugees can gather?

[last egret]

Yes, this one

[south marsh]

is there a target lock setting for controllers btw?

[chrome lion]

Can you have to many Minions?
I have 52 on a Shaman with the BeeKeeper set - Apiarist's Comb and Idols and more..

[night marten]

there is no real fall off in game or anything

more depends on if your pc can handle that many things running around

[chrome lion]

Yeah I am starting to feel it abit

And dang it fun 😛

[last egret]

i was really trying to ID an item using scroll of wisdom for a second

[simple jolt]

we used to have like 200+ wraiths builds, fun times

[hexed coral]

build diversity is one thing POE has solved, and maybe thats just not LEs jam, we will have to see. Hopefully it is though, I think opening up the classes to some more general defenses and stuff would be a good thing tho. (block nodes for mage). Maybe even reworking the entire passive system. You still have masteries, but you have more general nodes outside of your class for defenses etc.

like the fact I cant go sword and shield on spell blade is pretty crazy imo

I mean I could, but the block would be next to useless

the passive trees definitely feel like an artifact of a bigon early access game tbh

needs reworking

[last egret]

possibility is one thing

endgame scaling is another

we need more than 1 class that dominates (or rather competes) in corruption pushing

[hexed coral]

my lich is pretty nuts tbh

beats erasing strike vk from 2 seasons ago easy

but the altars add a lot of power tbh

[last egret]

i mean current patch ES VK beats s2 ES VK

[hexed coral]

and corruptions

yeah

exactly so im biased

but my uber kill this season is 3x faster than ES VK S2

so like power creep is looking good (I think its a good thing)

[last egret]

you prob played hit version

time rot was very busted

[hexed coral]

we need more end game stuff besides just uber that is just as hard as uber or harder for better rewards. Similar to PoE juicing and strats and shit

yeah I did play hit

with echoes

and void well for mana

Mage needs serious work tho

I am tempted to make a video

[simple jolt]

i always felt spellblade is dual wield or sword/catalyst rather than a shield

[hexed coral]

on how abysmal spellblade is

[last egret]

idk why they decided that season mechanics shouldnt be present on weoven echoes, such a wasted opportunity to make people juice more and have more strats etc

its just limiting for no reason

[hexed coral]

flay mana lich is literally more of a spellblade than spellblade

its not even close

even has a mana stacking node that scales better than anything mage has AND has the best unique for mana stacking in literally any game like its insane

[simple jolt]

eh both have taken down abberoth

[lean tiger]

the thing is there will always be the one objectively best build every season and you can try to have as many close challengers as you can but it is a very hard bit of balancing. Especially with an infinitely scaling difficulty system. One of the reasons PoE has so many viable builds is because while you can almost always squeeze a little bit more speed out of your runs by getting an even better build most top end builds can do the hardest possible content (excepting delve) with 60-70% of max power which means a huge amount of builds can do it if pushed to the max. But corruption pushing is not a problem that can be solved this way.

[hexed coral]

yeah thats not the benchmark

[simple jolt]

what benchmark?

[hexed coral]

corruption pushing shouldnt even be a benchmark

its basically delve

in its essence

let the people who like pushing it use the same build every season

(see str stack jugg )

[last egret]

the difference is that corruption pushing is main endgame scaling, its not something onme the side to do

[hexed coral]

imagine if POE endgame was uber eater exarch and Delve pushing

thats basically LE

right now

[hard basalt]

there's a timerot version of ES VK now?

[last egret]

there was

[simple jolt]

there are tons of builds in the game

[hard basalt]

timerot ES VK?

[last egret]

yes

[hexed coral]

if infinite scaling content is the endgame, its a bad endgame

see wow m+

its a cop out for less content

[last egret]

i mean its what we have

[hexed coral]

PoE has that solved

yeah

[simple jolt]

not bad content, less content

[hard basalt]

how does that work

S3 build?

[hexed coral]

and hopefully they recognize that its a niche, and they add more things in endgame to farm

[last egret]

its s2 build

yo ucan find it on yt

[hexed coral]

ok fair i will edit

[hard basalt]

bruh how come I never saw anyone play it in S2 😄

how'd I miss this

[last egret]

its essentially the same as javelin time rot

people played both

[hexed coral]

like delve is infinite scaling, and for people (turdtwisterx) who love pushing it, thats awesome. But like 99% of people think that its boring, and most people like to try farming ubers for chase items, farming strongboxes for big explode of currencies, farming div cards for one super rare drop that funds their next build completely etc. Or even crafting for fun. LE has a very deterministic crafting system, which is good in its skill floor is low, but the ceiling is also VERY low.

Adding some complexity like runes of havoc was awesome, we need more of that

[hard basalt]

this looks really funny

[hexed coral]

playing during the beta vs now is night and day, but it still needs a lot more, and with faster pacing

[hard basalt]

it deals no damage for a while

and then suddenly chunk

[simple jolt]

they stated their philosophy is geared towards playing the game in between seasons of other games. which is why it's balanced at 300 corruption, now 400 corruption

[hard basalt]

guess it got gutted together with javarot?

[simple jolt]

that coupled with extremely long update cycles creates a lot of staleness

[hexed coral]

yeah I think thats an unfortuate philosophy

why would you willingly make your philosophy to be the 2nd choice

make your game so good that people are not just checking out the season, but planning for it

[simple jolt]

yeah i didn't get it either, doesn't seem like they need to they have a great game here

[hexed coral]

again, besides last season, (was just a small patch to me as opposed to a full season imo) the game has made good choices in its improvement, but it needs a hell of a lot of work to be competetive, which I hope it becomes, and it needs to be faster in getting it done.

Thats my 2 cents

game good, I hope it gets better

tldr

[lean tiger]

if they can reliably make people come back play for a couple of weeks and maybe buy a cosmetic for the skill they really like this season they are doing the best they can in the current gaming market

[chrome lion]

I have ben on LE sense Alpha and it have come ALONG amayzing way 😄

[simple jolt]

who here remembers the passive grid lol

[last egret]

i think the progression steps is very unclear after empowered (aka 100c) and they should start working on this. Game should tell you at what corroption level you get more stuff, and maybe they also need incentivize people to push corruption more, make it more streamlined and add breakpoints for generic rewards (maybe progression rewards), like small rewards for every 50 corruption and some big rewards for each 200 corruption maybe. Probably will look something like that:
. . . • . . . • . . . • <- breakpoints

[hexed coral]

breakpoints I think would go a long way

[lean tiger]

And if they cap the special rewards at a specific corruption level like 500 of 1000 that gives people and clear goal and benchmark for build viability.

[hexed coral]

1000 corruption makes 2-3lp more common or something idk

again, I think corruption and infinite scaling content CAN be a trap

more content is always better

always

[severe socket]

@primal abyss Truly sorry for intruding... Any news for me?

[steel mesa]

infinitely scaling content feels more like a temporary cover up for not having as much content tbh, it's really not that fun to reach a point where you one shot everything or you also get oneshot making defenses worthless

[severe socket]

The whole thing reminds me of an infamous WoW hamster wheel.

[turbid silo]

What is the original question?

Apologies for chiming in 😄

[severe socket]

"Just keep spinning, just keep spinning, just keep spinning, spinning, spinning~"

[primal abyss]

I have none for you currently. You're playing online or offline?

[severe socket]

#💬┃general message

[turbid silo]

Oh nvm, Vandryll is here 🙂

[hexed coral]

valdo maps in POE are the ultimate test of a build tbh, especially the voided ones. but that is just due to the way the econ is set up, which drives a lot.

[severe socket]

I had sent a bug report earlier today regarding Shadow Rend unable to throw Chakram-mode shuriken. Linked above is my online character in question.

[primal abyss]

Also don't be sorry and you're not intruding

[hexed coral]

LE def needs deeper crafting sinks, more power creep, more content, better trade interface and then maybe trade will finally have a chance over CoF

which I am fine with I like CoF

[steel mesa]

I do feel like having breakpoints at certain progression levels would be huge for the game though. Like brand new drops that can only be farmed at high corruption levels or just general loot buffs to important drops like havocs.

[hexed coral]

yes

[night marten]

we are getting corruption tiers in the xpac...at least according to the roadmap

[hexed coral]

makes chase uniques interesting that only drop 1000 corruption +

then you need a league starter than gets there, and then maybe the gear you farm there you swap to a stronger build

[last egret]

tbf i dont have much issue with amount of content as of now, i have issue with how they handle this said content. No juicing allowed, no real goal to push corruption aside from some unclear prog steps that nowhere seen in the game itself. The game just don't want you to play it, this is how i feel most of the time.

[hexed coral]

literally the POE recipe, and its perfect

I hope they do that

[turbid silo]

So you're saying the combo of Chakram and Loose Pockets isn't working?

[hexed coral]

but you would need to create deeper ways of crafting beyond lucky 3-4lp drops

[severe socket]

It would appear so.

[night marten]

for those that havent seen that roadmap for s5 and xpac (which may or may not be s6)

[frosty ridge]

a lot of builds wont be able to push there tho

[severe socket]

At least I fail to see them thrown on both leap and land.

Regardless of whether any enemies are around or none at all.

[hexed coral]

well maybe with their updates in season 5 and expansion a lot of glaring issues get fixed

pray

hope

make suggestions in suggestions channels

[steel mesa]

well for me it's not the amount of content, it's the fact I can't customize my experience and juice mechanics. like imagine if you could add 10 roaming rift beasts or add 20+ champions to a map or have 3 nemesis encounters per map instead of taking 3 maps to finish your item.

[hexed coral]

real

the map layouts are huge too, like if you want to do a tomb, and rift beast, and nemesis, and omen, the map takes 10 fkn minutes

its crazy

[steel mesa]

map layouts are SO big in this game and there's... not a lot going on. you spend a lot of time traveling from pack to pack.

lmao same brain

yeah

[last egret]

ye i mean, running woven echoes and not seeing current season mechanic on them is weird design decision

[hexed coral]

make tomb shorter, make riftbeast zone shorter, make map smaller

[frosty ridge]

yeah power creep currently makes it so all the new skills and builds can reach it while the older builds take a bit more time. i think the idea was to give each char a significant power boost each season so that in the expansion corruption pushing is more even across classes

but we shall see

[severe socket]

For the record, I do see Shift being able to trigger Shuriken regardless of its normal mode or Chakram.

Unless there's something at play I'm missing here...

[hexed coral]

yeah mage needs some love, I started mage, and holy its so bad. Idc what anyone says, sure uber dies from every class bla bla, its bad

ward gen is bad

[steel mesa]

the layouts need to be reduced a ton rly, I get bored a lot because we don't have the movement speed and can't spam movement abilities to make gameplay in this game feel seamless

[hexed coral]

ward sucks

HP and leech is king

ward needs some tuning

all mage gets is "mana spent gained as ward" as if that competes with my 1M HPS leeching lich

crazy

[last egret]

i think the big part of why its boring is no random layout generation, if you play a lot you basically run same layouts all day long

[hexed coral]

random layout (procedural generation) is also a copout for bad design

PoE has maps that are the same, with some procedural generation, but the layout it 95% the same each time

thats the best way to do it

basically the same, but some nuance so you cant script it (bots)

[severe socket]

So you mean to say that Diablo 2, which was almost entirely procedural (albeit in 2d which helped in a way), is bad design?

[last egret]

i mean this is one thing that makes mapping a bit more alive tho

[hexed coral]

its a remnant of a time where they had no other option

procedural generation back then was huge

[severe socket]

What if I tell you that not every single map has to be handcrafted?

[steel mesa]

I've played diablo 2 recently. It sucks compared to modern game design in the genre.

[hexed coral]

but in 2026 there are ways of making interesting procedural content. Like PoE does. You can choose layouts you are familiar with, but the map isnt 100% the same each time

[severe socket]

It's a huge deal, making even one full scene.

[hexed coral]

D2 was an absolute banger for when it came out

but if you made the same game now, without the nostalgia, I don't think it holds up. (in its OOB state, and not modded)

[steel mesa]

idc if a map is procedurally generated or not, I'm just tired of maps in this game being gigantic and spending a long time hunting down a mechanic

[last egret]

people dont care about layouts in d2 anyway, they click manapots and tp the whole zone

[hexed coral]

yeah

[severe socket]

Like, it's okay if you pick the same biome within the scene and design it in a way similar to a 15-tile puzzle, in that the pieces can be shuffled around in any way.

[lean tiger]

PoE does spend a lot of dev time on map design which is why we seldomly get new areas or biomes

[hexed coral]

ye something like that perhaps

so long as the 15tile puzzle is compact in its arrangement

if I have to go from tile 1 to tile 15 and the space between is 15 tiles ( a line) then thats prob bad. In general anyway. I mean some maps are big and open, some are long and narrow. That is fine

but dont make them super huge, with a million narrow corridors and where it takes me 5 min to go from 1 end to the other looking for the omen

[steel mesa]

I have a surplus of corruption runes so I don't even bother with the omen anymore if it's not in my path to the other mechanics :x

[primal abyss]

So honestly I think its because you took Night's Approach with Shadow Rend

If you wouldn't mind, try refunding that skill point and seeing if it procs then

[simple bison]

It is why

[last egret]

the fact that its their self made engine plays bigger part here, they probably knows what thy doing and not afraid to create new tech, most likely Unity is a lot more limited engine than whatever PoE has considering we dont even have ANY frame gen nor FSR/DLSS yet at all

[primal abyss]

Because it takes away the condition required for Loose Pockets

i.e Jump, move, etc

[lean tiger]

good point

[severe socket]

"Shadow Rush can still move you". Could the condition be tied to that instead?

It's counterintuitive, imo.

[lean tiger]

the PoE engine is a piece of work in the good and the bad way. The good old times of disabling audio in the .ini files to deal with cpu bottlenecking come to mind.

[severe socket]

Or just make a notation that Loose Pockets has no effect if Night's Approach is allocated.

[steel mesa]

looks at how we still can't use both controller and mouse and keyboard in PoE

[simple bison]

When you take nights approach you stop "leaping/landing". shadow rush can still move you, but you're still not leaping/landing is basically the gist of it. I do think it's pretty unclear and unintuitive. More clarifying text would be nice for sure.

[steel mesa]

their engine def isn't perfect

[west sundial]

@turbid silo About this Forging Basics 1 - Unable to Complete / Stuck / Can’t Craft

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/forging-basics-1-unable-to-complete-stuck-cant-craft/81104

Any news? Nothing from the forge works yet, yesterday we were checking this with @round copper

[last egret]

You guys better of leveling new character than waiting for fix

[simple bison]

Honestly yeah, that quest is within the first like hour of the game

[turbid silo]

No sign of the ring anywhere on their account? Stash? Inventory? Etc.?

[primal abyss]

Yeah, I reached out about this after testing it some and will do that thank you for sharing this, though

[west sundial]

No, it's the same situation as yesterday when you talked to Dai, the tutorial item was broken/destroyed. I know there's no way because it's from the tutorial. But it happened. Some bug, I know it's not just happening to me.

[turbid silo]

Let me reach out internally again to see what we can do

[severe socket]

Please keep me posted.

[primal abyss]

So I've reported this and it's being looked into! Take some credit for this one, haha

Thank you

[severe socket]

😅

...Unrelated, but I'd really, REALLY like to have more proper elemental conversions and proper support thereof on rogue's skills.

Lightning for umbral blades, shadow cascade, sync strike, etc., or cold for shuriken, for instance.

Hopefully skill sigils will cover that aspect.

[round copper]

Would appreciate this being solved. Because honestly I am still playing the game but this increases the difficulty of playing this game, its really not great. Would appreciate a work around for now.

[stable socket]

Maybe a dialogue option to get a new ring? or a skip tutorial option that completes the quest

[west sundial]

Look, honestly I'm playing the game a lot too, if the solution is 'create another character' I will get really discouraged 🙁

[turbid silo]

I'm chatting with developers now about adding a failsafe that will complete the quest that have reached level 15 or higher and the quest is still active.

[simple bison]

NGL the quest should just not lock you in that place and auto complete if you finish the next main quest

[turbid silo]

Looks like it won't be in this update, but it will be in the next one so not too far away.

[night marten]

this update must be coming soon, eh? 🙂

[round copper]

When is the next update?

[turbid silo]

With the fix for your issue, no promises, but aiming for next Wed.

[round copper]

oof 8 days :<

Alright appreciate the feedback though, its quite awhile for fix that halts progress. Hopefully its all good by next week then.

[blazing terrace]

2 times in a row dc after emperors remains while teleporting to end of time in quest chain. making me run all the way from lotus halls 😄 Anyone else having problems atm?

[turbid silo]

Yeah, sorry, I wish it could've gotten in this week 🙁

[verbal orbit]

how long does it take to carry an alt from 1-70 by leeching monos

[frosty ridge]

Sometimes in mg when you list an item for the cheapest price and then research the item isn’t listed in the cheapest order

Is that just a visual bug since it’s my item or is that an actual bug?

[gusty thunder]

I got a a sceptre with t8 cast speed and has an open prefix/suffix but cant figure out anything else to put on the sceptre for Reflect Shaman. Does any of the spell or on hit affix work? Maybe mana spent gained as ward?

[shy isle]

Is it just me or is the Woven echos for Experimental items not dropping?

[plush shard]

We getting new classes ye?

[night marten]

not for a while. but eventually

[plush shard]

Lame

[tacit mantle]

This is a big one

[willow sentinel]

Its really rare

[snow vigil]

it drops, just think to boost the chances to fight these guys and they will finish to drop lthe echo

[green ore]

Any news/updates on the offline portal disappearing bug?

It's getting rather tiresome having to relog and losing rewards

[night marten]

just waiting on hotfix/patch. i think tomorrow

[green ore]

Thank you!

[night marten]

i would be very surprised if they didnt get a fix in since its a fairly significant bug for a week+ now

[bold lichen]

Hi I cannot log in to forum. What is workaround?

[onyx flame]

when i get prophecy for set relic , and drop dopelganger , it is drops as full set , if my COF rang enough ?

[night marten]

yes there is a CoF rank bonus for dropping a full set

[inland anvil]

Does the single player story still end at Snake Lady? I saw a ...12 gig? ...patch the other day. Before I boot it up to check, figure it's easier to just ask if the story is continuing forwards yet

[night marten]

depends on which snake lady you are reffering to

majasa in ch 9 is no longer the end of the campaign, no

tho the story continued last season.

this season, s4, has been out about 2 weekish.

[simple bison]

@night marten If you're playing with disintegrating auras, do you feel like this seems right in terms of the spiral and disintegrating aura aoe with base stats?

Blue circle is aoe

I feel like the spiral might be too tight

afaik it should be correct according to what mike gave me unless I did it wrong lul

[willow sentinel]

Haven't played hammers in but that's tight

[night marten]

not even close

i get like, maaaaybe 2/2.5 rotations on hammers

not 5

[simple bison]

Don't worry about the amount of rotations

just the distance between each one

[night marten]

the roations are still too close

with no area, doesnt look like the auras would overlap much

on the actual path

[simple bison]

that doesn't make any sense because when I do the math it checks out 😭 😭

[night marten]

yeah

[simple bison]

oh wait

nope

[night marten]

could also just be the bad visuals on aura. its not consistent

[simple bison]

he said base radius is 2.2, and after each 360 degree rotation it should only move out by like 2.6

so like

wut

it should overlap given what he said x)

[night marten]

god idk, it kinda pulses

its hard to get a decent look at it

[simple bison]

wait maybe they just don't use the angular change but only the tangential speed

that'd make it spread out more the further it got

[willow sentinel]

Do you know if Lava Burst in ST gets converted to void eagles?

[simple bison]

because for some reason he gave both but you can only use one

[night marten]

i am pretty sure it doesnt, but i dont have the gear on yet. i need like 7 more lvls

i want it to, but i am not holding my breath

[willow sentinel]

I mean Sigils burst does

But yeah

[night marten]

it def overlaps at the start, but on its final rotation, i dont think so. you wanna look at it?

[simple bison]

Nah it's fine, just the fact that the distance between them change over time let's me know they're likely using the tangential speed and not the angular speed

he hit me with a red herring lmao

Now I gotta figure out how to make this new curve 😭

the angular velocity one was so nice and easy to do math on smh

wait

does it feel like the hammers start out slower and get faster?

I feel like it does

[night marten]

yea

[simple bison]

Yeah idk anymore lol

[night marten]

tho that also just might be cuz its turning sharper so it looks slower

nah, definately faster

[simple bison]

The fact that the angular and tangential speed variables aren't linked makes legit no sense x)

Maybe it is an archimedean spiral and our brains are just playing tricks /copium

The fact that the archimedean spiral just has this presented for me makes me wish it was one so bad

Idk I just don't believe that the base radius is 2.2 I think x)

that's so massive

4.4 meter diameter

those things are tiny man

You're telling me bastion of honours range is less than one disintegrating auras diameter?

idk fam, seems sus

or maybe their visuals are just nowhere near their actual aoe

[inner mango]

merchant guilds after 1week is a shame

[night marten]

yeah, it doesnt look as big as bastion. but the edges are very undefined and pulse so its hard to really see clearly

[ebon rain]

What is the best favor farm for CoF

[night marten]

1853 dmg with no void conversion, 1853 with void conversion. I am going to say that it does not convert

[carmine arch]

dude uber abby needs to not want to go to the corner all the time

you try to bait him out and he just throws his ranged bs at you

you come in close he will never move

endless loop

he needs a move that forces him to reset in the middle or something

[lost garden]

can someone tell me what spiderling packs mean from the woven tree?

[carmine arch]

also this weird bug with the ground turning gray and flashing is kinda lame

[earnest oasis]

LOL

[night marten]

just means more spiders. its not super deep.

[opaque dust]

Anyone around that would mind popping an oerdyns watch for me to flip some boots to int?

[sweet moss]

learn his attacks

[errant sundial]

gotta learn how to move him

its not easy and sometimes it seems like he breaks his own rules

[carmine tinsel]

Guys can anyone help with this or know about this bug? I get sanctum keys but they just don't show up in my key slot in resources tab so I can't enter sanctum.

Just looted another one 5 min ago and key slot is empty.

[quick snow]

maybe that's my problem.....

[simple bison]

Are they maybe not transferring to your key tab? Search your stash for them

Otherwise idk, never heard of that before

[hallow mist]

How hard is it to get the frogs helmet

[muted cape]

Very easy. Just run beast rifts until you get the currencey to buy it, and then eventually just keep buying it for lp drops

[south moat]

You can also ofc just get lucky and get it as a drop from the beasts

[carmine arch]

Gotta learn his moves and saying he breaks his own rules basically makes my point that he needs to be more willing to move

[carmine arch]

That doesn't stop him from wanting to fly to the corner.

[sweet moss]

js position him better

[carmine arch]

👍

[novel locust]

I didn't realize rune prison complex was so impossible to get, I just want a Fractal Tree so I can roll a Javadin lol

[eternal timber]

can anyone think of a sentinel / generic thing that only affects skills that cost 10 or greater mana per cast?

I remember reading it once somewhere but cant find it now

[earnest oasis]

as rare as red ring

[desert nimbus]

am I the only one who cant move in the Pinnacle of Chaos arena? Half of my movement gets weirdly clipped in thin air

[lucid zealot]

The Mage nodes in the top of the Weaver tree are a good boost for mage spawns if you go for the ones that spawn them in Tombs and Cemeteries and boost the cemetery/tomb spawn rates. Maybe try that until you drop the Rune Prison Complex

You need to farm mages to drop the complex anywho, I am now reminded

[novel locust]

Yeah I've been doing that, no huge rush anyways

[sweet moss]

uber is too easy, i think he should scale with corruption

[slender escarp]

currently whats the best for uber+corruption+speed farm? Getting little bored with ES and Warpath

was thinking of shadow cascade BD

[ruby ferry]

Guys STR converted into Brutality or +1 To All skills better?

[wet heron]

Is there not an umbral falconer recall build guide or?

[last egret]

TriKster has one

[wet heron]

Ohh I see one but from last season. Was hoping to see an updated one

Not sure what they changed about it

[last egret]

it got buffed with corrupted items

thats the change

[wet heron]

Nice lmao

[novel locust]

why does Sierpin's Spear have +Melee damage on it lmao

it's the jav spear

[undone wave]

added melee damage applies to javelin

at 50% normal value

On spears specifically

[willow sentinel]

Also it's a nice melee weapon

Trident base iirc
So a lot of crit multi

[novel locust]

Damn I should learn how to read

hmmm I've been farming it but I figure getting a 1 LP one will be pain considering how long it took to this, and my Heartseeker build was finally starting to lift off

but shiny new build

[strange elm]

I have same issue
I can conclude: its related to your pc graphics i.e you will relate game smoothiness drops some times and that movement stuckness will kick in

Try to decrease your graphics at those specific condition it will help

[lost garden]

can weaver tree increase Primordial item's drop rate? I know I shouldn't put boss items into the slots... how about Primordial items? like Entwined ring

[last egret]

this items can be aquired only from npc

they cannot drop

there is certain drop specific primordial items, but imprints dont work on them anyway

[hard basalt]

best you can do is use weaver tree for more beasts

which gives you more chances for them dropping randomly from beasts and more currency to buy them otherwise

[lost garden]

ohh

so imprints dont work for primordial or any boss drops

thank you guys

btw how does Rune Prison Complex work? do we still have experimental crafting?

[wet heron]

Damn there’s two good rogue options to try but idk what to do. Shadow rend then just BD cascade with sync strike and dancing strikes

[last egret]

you can obviously play what you like but rend cascade is 2nd best all rounder on rogue after falconer UB

[twilit grove]

falconer ballista can handle omen? I do omen and insantly think about how zhp deal with this

usually ballista kill off screen or far away, but omen force u to stay in the circle

[wet heron]

I don’t see falconer UB on the maxroll list idk why. They have ballista falconer in s tier but is that a different build?

Uhh wish I could send pics

[hard basalt]

you can send pics on #❔┃ask-the-community

[sage shuttle]

i just dont get it, i can not get a warpath shard at all this season (playing offline so cant buy items with it from others)

[untold skiff]

Is LE gona be RIP ? Man the numbers are looking pretty low. 7 month wait for a meh season. Some good improvements but not enough to pull people back... I tried a playthrough but honestly got half way through the campaign and couldn't be arsed to slog through the rest just to be stuck doing Monoliths again. Monolith is still pretty boring the game really needs something else to do, I really hope the expansion is gona be it's big comeback. If the expansion is mediocre that will be the nail in the coffin...

[severe socket]

Days without LE doomposting: 0

/jk, obviously, but what if.

[hard basalt]

have you tried spamming the sentinel echo

[untold skiff]

44k concurrent players that's pretty alarming imo. From like 150k previous season? Not even a third logged back in

[sage shuttle]

yep, also doing shard only rift beasts. almost wonder if its locked behind a story quest progress... i skipped over half the story.

[sage shuttle]

44k is a great amount for this type of game.

d3 survived for a decade or more on sub 30k

[untold skiff]

How so ? The are relying on DLC content sales but no players mean no sales

[severe socket]

Could always be worse. MUCH worse.

There're already at least two examples of worse.

[untold skiff]

Can't really compare the 2 tho. D3 had much more funding to keep it alive.

[severe socket]

Apples to oranges. Actiblizz is a mammoth compared to EHG.

They can afford it.

[untold skiff]

LE is cool keep coming back to play but man it needs more stuff to do honestly.

[sage shuttle]

no it didn't it was left for dead and a passion project of about 10 devs up until the expac

the server costs of an arpg can be miniscule if done right.

i recommend looking into the history of d3, it was chaos and hell

[untold skiff]

Well I hope the expansion is a banger.

[untold skiff]

Lol wait wasn't that the point 😅 ... I'll show myself out

[sage shuttle]

lol not a bad joke, but honestly look into the development and maintenance of it. its a wild story.

reaper of souls, which saved the game was canceled way early into its development. it was only finished because about 10 people made it on the side and after work on their own time. it was written off as a massive flop 3 years after release, and now its one of their highest sold games.

im excited for what LE can be in the future

[last egret]

game was doomed the moment RMT was involved with auction house anyway

[marsh berry]

I genuinely don't understand people complaining

[sage shuttle]

yea that was a mandatory thing iirc, could be wrong on that.

[marsh berry]

I've been playing as SSF and all the changes to CoF and additions of Nemesis, Runes of Redemption/Havoc, and Weaver Faction makes gear progression and crafting feel possible to hit those min-max gear

Echo chains just made end game loop better

[last egret]

we are in s4, what you talking about is s2 additions

[marsh berry]

And new pinnacle is nice

I'm just talking about the overall progression of the game

Since the start of s1 to now for me

[last egret]

overall progression is no nexistent past single T7 slams for SSF, come back when you get multiple 2x+ T7 gear from imprints

[marsh berry]

Yeah that is easier with the addition of weaver faction tree and CoF level upgrades

I had multiple T7 slams on LP3 BiS uniques last season

Took a lot of farming but the fact it was possible is what makes the ssf so good

[last egret]

last season is not this season... are you just unaware of the changes or?

[marsh berry]

Yes, I know they nerfed imprints

But I am still playing and the progression is still possible

If you genuinely do not enjoy the game, don't play it lol

I don't know, man. The game is getting better for me every patch. Every new addition and change makes the game feel more complete

[last egret]

better for you, the key word

[hard basalt]

I mean if it feels better overall for you, that's valid. But it's wild to say crafting min-max gear feels more possible with this season's changes.

well, it does in a way I guess

[wet heron]

Ohh yeah I saw falconer UB but ehh I guess it sucks ass for mapping lol. It’s just a boss killer and that’s all it will ever be

[hard basalt]

more LP rerolling with the corruption counting as LP on Strife

but the slam is going to be down a notch for sure

[sage shuttle]

i love this game, just have a few nit picks. the crafting and the story leveling every char...

[willow sentinel]

Meanwhile BD kills uber in 1 more second and has insane clear

[past geode]

is there a woven acho for more idols reforge ?

[hard basalt]

you can put the cenotaph of worlds I guess

[marsh berry]

The only problem I see in terms of gear progressions is T6 affixes are genuinely useless. No ones wants to use gear with just T6 or even double T6

[hard basalt]

yeah with 1 slot guaranteed it's kinda no-brainer to at least get T7

double T6s feel zad

[wet heron]

Uhh well more like one more minute lol

[willow sentinel]

There is a video of Misha doing it in 6 sec....

[pliant geyser]

Does maxroll not have a season starter list? Most tier list builds require uniques.

[wet heron]

BD dancing sync strike seems a lot easier to gear than shadow rend. I do like sync strike a lot, but maybe I should try something new like shadow rend lol

[wet heron]

Send link bae

[willow sentinel]

https://youtu.be/XnDRKxCFOgo

[wet heron]

Reminds me of d3 when I would hear “so for this season you’ll want the blank set”

[wet heron]

Tf.. where the did the sudden burst come from

Dude had like 50 shadows lmao

[pliant geyser]

Only ever played d3 solo, so don't understand the joke 😭

[latent acorn]

It’s like some super weird combination of skills

[sage shuttle]

my first warpath shard!

[willow sentinel]

If I am getting this right
All the shadows shoots ub
So you get a billions ub
Then your recall them

[wet heron]

Wait is this the shadow rend build lizard made?

Damn have they not nerfed this umbral blade recall shit lmao. It’s almost like it’s just been left alone lol

[slate raft]

i just got this build onlien and confluenced straight to 400c @ L70 hehe

[last egret]

no this is not the one, UB versions is more for bossing

you dont click UB for mapping

[wet heron]

Ohh

Man I bet shadow rend is gonna get gutted next league lol. Idek what makes it crazy, I just know you need like several unqiues and a set piece for it to feel smooth and the mana cost is absurd lol

Need some backshots

[last egret]

i dont think it will get touched much, the gameplay is not the fastest if we consider delay between damage while mapping, the UB recall part most likely will get nerfed but the maxroll version doesnt even use that

[slate raft]

it is much slower than ballista - but immortal

[wet heron]

I think the maxeoll one uses an all rounder build but still kills uber Abby in under 2 minutes but should have faster speed farming. In speed farming, he had it on s tier

[steel mesa]

I don't think it's s tier speed farming, the delay in damage makes it actually clunky to play

[last egret]

ye

its s tier for omens tho, just stand still and click 1 button

[steel mesa]

I was playing it for a bit and the delay makes the skill feel terrible while mapping

[slate raft]

for omens it's like being in a 5 way from path lol

[steel mesa]

I'd probably care if omens gave good loot :x

but yeah it is crazy good for that content

[wet heron]

Even with all the unqiues?

[steel mesa]

ya

[last egret]

funny part is they dont even give any favor for cof

[steel mesa]

can't believe I was so excited to play giga aoe builds only for the loot to be awful lmao

[wet heron]

This is why I love trade.

[last egret]

this is s3 again in a way that you can just buy bones from this fragments that drop from omens

lol

[steel mesa]

yeah

at season start I was buying temporal keystones to speed up my corruption but now it's just to get bones

[last egret]

so regarding corrupting set items

is the only good outcome is basically maxed affixes range?

[steel mesa]

seems that way

[ancient surge]

Been running into a funny little visual bug twice so far, where getting lightly stunned whilst moving or initiating a move action or something during combat, the character basically stops animating any movement, but functions as normal until the next attack/skill use, after which regular animation resumes.

[last egret]

5% chance

bruh

[ancient surge]

On the subject of oddities, I've been meaning to ask about those big scarab rares. Seems to me that they have a different hitbox while surfacing than when fully surfaced. Because while they are surfacing, I basically have to force getting into melee range, should it matter, while being basically pushed away without being able to hit and do damage or build stacks or whatnot. Is this a feature by this point, having been the case since launch?

[hard basalt]

does the turn into reforged one set the other affixes to random?

[last egret]

i dont think its possible outcome

doesnt say yes

[hard basalt]

oh I mean, if it's reforged it loses all the standard set's affixes right

does it generate a new set of affixes to replace those

[shut shard]

hardly the only mob with a wonky hitbox, try hitting the trex while it's swiping and side stepping all over the screen

try hitting it with mana strike for extra challenge

the volcanic graal (draal? vraal?) mobs also get completely buggy model/hitbox if they reanimate from the familiar affix

[slate raft]

will gauntlet of strife woven echo proc cof boss fortunes?

[last egret]

https://ibb.co/4nBcQL1Q this is funny corrupt

[undone wave]

I thought falconer was bad, 305 million crit with BD, the whole damn class is broken lol

[willow sentinel]

I don't understand
Falconer was never bad, and this is BD

Oh I get it

😁

[undone wave]

I meant bad as in absurdly op lol

[willow sentinel]

Rogue is a baddie indeed

[wet heron]

Woah

[acoustic palm]

You know that the league was successful when most of the messages in the discord are from white roles and not colored

An improvement from 1.3

[undone wave]

Is it? That just means less people who spent more money on the game are sticking around

[willow sentinel]

So white is better than coloured? Is that what you are saying?? 👀👀👀👀
joke obviously

[undone wave]

I didn't wanna say it, so I'm glad a moderator said it

[last egret]

this without context on certain subreddits will go hard

[wet heron]

Man I guess 1.3 really was a letdown? Lol. Probably why I skipped it lol

[willow sentinel]

🙏🙏🙏

[last egret]

it was alright, copy paste of s2 mechanic with vendor that sells uniques

[willow sentinel]

It wasn't the best league for sure

[hard basalt]

evolution's end is such a wasted opportunity tho

it could've been soooooo great

I hope they take another look at it

[last egret]

ammy became useless once they deleted +2 from it

[hard basalt]

was it even that strong/popular before?

[undone wave]

I liked 1.3 because of reflect

[willow sentinel]

Yes

+2 skills +all res +all Attribute

[last egret]

i mean the implicits are very good, combine it with 1 LP slam and you have your endgame amulet

10% ms also

it was very good for certain skills that are starving for skill points

like LB

imagine if it was still the same, couldve corrupt for another +1 now

[acoustic palm]

:monkas: it's nice to see new names and more people discovering the game

[hard basalt]

oh yeah I missed the implicit

[last egret]

i think what wouldve been better if this amulet was just blank unique with some "grow" potential, similar to weavers items, and every time you kill beast with certain modifiers you have a chance to add the mod of specific pool to the item

[undone wave]

I like that idea a lot

Like build-a-bear, but build your own amulet

The beast that spawns is just a gimmick that's more of a hinderance than a help, since he just body blocks you the whole time

[last egret]

i often confuse him for enemy

he also just makes whole screen clutter

if they wanted to go with this idea further, the beast shoudlve been way smaller, maybe the size of OIIA cat even, and just give some generic buffs

[undone wave]

Or have the beast be permanent, instead of only lasting 20 seconds during a boss or elite, so that at least minion builds could actually utilize it properly

[jagged charm]

anyone know a good amount about ballista falconer?

[last egret]

corruption ladder does

[brittle fjord]

You place Ballista, stuff dies, you keep moving

[last egret]

insane tech

[steel mesa]

I know that it deserved to get nerfed into the ground instead of trap.

[last egret]

i remember one guy being mentally ill about ballista "nerf" back in s2 when they nerfed the aoe of explosion

said the skill is dead

xdd

[hard basalt]

that sounds even more pepega for arena ladder

if anyone's still doing that

can cut out even the "keep moving" part 😄

[steel mesa]

I mean you have to be mentally ill to take that build to 10k corruption tbh

absurd

[willow sentinel]

Last season someone took ballista to 50k (last I checked)

And Warpath got to 110k

[main frigate]

what about someone go ham on builds they played so every builds had taken to 500c+?

[broken trench]

warpath had a whole other thing tho

[steel mesa]

it was annoying watching the nonsense people did to take warpath to absurd corruption levels

[main frigate]

they maybe just enjoy big numbers

[languid rover]

i dont really know why people are mad about other people going high corruption

like, let them do what they want

[undone wave]

That's not why they're mad

[pure briar]

Any 1 here that playing warpath and have killed Uber Abbrath ?

[broken trench]

a few I bet

[pure briar]

im struggling so much trying to kill him, even thow my items are great, i did kill him before as erasing strike but as a warpath i dont know why im so weak 🙁

[broken trench]

you might need to slam your face into it a lot

might be gear can link your imported character on lastepochtools

[pure briar]

@broken trench Do you also play Warpath ? do you might if i link you my char and take a look on it and maybe tell me what i should upgrade or change ?

[tulip wedge]

Can someone help me level up my reroll ?

[pure briar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/agent007/character/BlackJack

[fallen elm]

Hey guys, where can I report a bug?

[broken trench]

I think you’d have a tough time on uber

you need t8 channel cost on helm

need t7 mana on nihilis, falcon gloves for t7 mana, better siphon, belt slam is ok maybe hp is better than cleanse, get highest crit chance slam on weapon and corrupt them

You are missing a lot of damage from only having 2 pts in warriors fury

which is probably because of mana cost w/o more t7 and t8 channel cost

also you aren’t using an idol altar which can help mana a little and give shred/damage

should max out your res blessing too

[willow sentinel]

Ingame, press f8

[fallen elm]

ty

[lucid prairie]

man, i miss the old post monolith echo area music

[whole spire]

Morning have been loving the game since 1.4 dropped but one bug bear - are the team looking into the positioning of Omens - always in a corner up against a wall or other obstructions

[pure briar]

Well thx alot mate, but the highest crit chance on 2 hand is 18% i have 17% is that really a big difference ?

[broken trench]

yeah you stack crit multi and crit chance

[past rose]

Are you supose to get a orbys after 1 mono at higer corruption ? at my higest it keep happend like i was catchign up. so i could keep pushing higer corruption after 1 mono.. so 800 to 1000 corruption took me 15 min, and my higest befor was 700. did i miss somthing in the patchnotes?

[broken trench]

also your multi affix being t2 isn't that great

[hard basalt]

if you have lots of gaze yes

[past rose]

aha it was so easy XD

ty

[pure briar]

Ive got the crit multi from curroption thow, well about the Idol Altar what should i look for there, been very unlukcy to drop the Pyramidal of dysis

[pure briar]

May i link you one i just found, cant send you a message because we not friends on discord

[broken trench]

yeah my altar isn't great either i have +10 mana/refracted slot and +2 omens idols

[pure briar]

Can you add me on discord mate so I can show you the idol, I can’t add you because it’s says you don’t accept friend request 😅

[broken trench]

i think you can upload images in like #🔱┃sentinel

[pure briar]

thx, i just linked you the one ive got ❤️

[primal abyss]

Good day, everyone.

[night marten]

early day today?

[south moat]

Hello there Van

[primal abyss]

the waits for no one

[spark coyote]

Guys, where is the fastest place to farm a 2h Exalted Axe ?

[willow sentinel]

Prophecies

[spark coyote]

ohh

thank you 😄

[round lake]

The most common comment is about enemies to being to weak and LE to not have any difficulty and we get a pool if anything need nerf ;;

[severe socket]

Hiya Van 👋

[primal abyss]

Hiyas Shadow

[swift swift]

bonjour tout le monde !

[severe socket]

👋

[turbid silo]

Let me know if you are around, I can assist with your bugged quest issue 🙂

Good morning all!

[primal abyss]

Good day sir Derrick and Snake

[ancient surge]

How come one of the loading screen hints still mentions the good old condition to access empowered which was completing all 3 level 90 timelines? I think we've been through 2 changes to how to access empowered by this point.

[round copper]

Morning. Heya, otw home in 20mins?

[primal abyss]

Thanks for this callout. 🙂

[ancient surge]

I may have noticed it before, but ADHD makes it so I forget about it by the time I finish the echo I was going into.

[turbid silo]

Sounds great 🙂

[ancient surge]

By the by, if I may ask, how's the patching of monster damage going? I know it's for DoTs that basically melt through all defences, but I still think bumblebear does some rather weacky levels of damage, at least comparatively to everything else. DoTs and the odd one-shot potential damage levels are really the only things keeping me in ~650 corruption at present. I say odd, because most rare mobs don't present that much of a threat outside of a very select few, discounting siege golems, because you get ample time to get our of their shots.

[turbid silo]

Just tag me when you are home and I'll start a DM with you

@primal abyss Good morning!

[turbid silo]

We're still collecting feedback from players for enemy DoT here.

[last egret]

aside from dots, currently the most bs meter monster in the game is ceramic pot

[ancient surge]

the cermaic ones? They do the damage, but you also have plenty of doging window for them. The bumblebears? They are unfortunately both numerous and they also just appear out of the sky and are invulnerable until they actually land.

[snow vigil]

these Congealed Sludge kill me every day

they are terrific

[ancient surge]

The one omen variant that relies on DoTs has at least 2 mobs that do riddiculous levels of damage, the slug and the skelly mages with their flaming skull that can get hairy to survive if you don't single out and murder the mages asap.

And yeah, I'm just trying to think and list those mobs I just feel are a little overtuned in a way. Those that literally stand out amongst all the rest of the things that want to kill you :p

[night marten]

personally i like the idea of having to target specific mobs like that.

what i dont like is being melee, and having the insta ondeath effects that i cannot avoid while also having the psn inflicted by the insta ondeath effect be obscenely powerful

[ancient surge]

Yeah, the playing field does not need to be perfectly leveled, but the outliers with one-shot potential should have counter-play, really. Then you can only blame yourself that you died :p

[round copper]

Heya! Im home ~

[night marten]

yes. all arpgs have a melee penalty, that is fine.

i dont even mind on death effects, like the lithracs have them...but its delayed so i can at least move. the psn burst on death is instant. cant avoid it

[carmine arch]

Try not using a meta build that one shots him?

[sweet moss]

or have good gear??

or be good enough to know the fight?

[turbid silo]

Alright

[turbid silo]

Added you as a friend

[steep hill]

Does someone know if haste has an effect on dancing strikes movement speed?

[short sphinx]

damn i deleted t4 julra in like 6 seconds, don't think i've ever played a build this strong no wonder i was struggling in past seasons lmao

[carmine arch]

I mean you probably don't know the fight at all because you are playing one of the busted Uber one shot builds this season lol

[sweet moss]

so, idk why your attacking me, im sorry that you cant do uber - or even js position him correctly, i play bladestorm, i play shadowrend, both meta fun builds, i also killed it on a meteor sorc i made, not meta not good, also killed it on a fire aura spellblade

[ivory musk]

dude how many times can you fail a 1/3...

i slammed this staff 25 times now, never got the affix i wanted

[sweet moss]

i also do 4 man uber carries, if you need help js ask

[sweet moss]

turns out, a lot

[ivory musk]

ok, failed the slam, but corruption came through and saved me. Just randomly slammed 101 crit multi and crit multi vs frozen, after failing the sanctum slam 25 times

[sweet moss]

congrats 🙂

[carmine arch]

Because your a passive aggressive ahole lol. Thanks for confirming you use Mostly one shot builds so that proves the point I made. I also have killed him plenty of times in last seasons with a VK ES and harvester lich (not mana flay) so far from using the simple one shot builds like you did. I just asked for him to not gravitate so heavily to a wall.

[sweet moss]

your mad at me because earlier when you were complaining i gave advice

you also skimmed over the fact i do carried with 3 afk people, and i killed on meteor sorc - a meme build

he also doesnt gravitate to a wall... thats your own positioning error

[night marten]

@carmine arch @sweet moss move on

[steep hill]

Does someone know of haste or Movement speed in general has an effect on dancing strikes?

[languid rover]

that one also spawns the whirlwind mech

if it spawns on top of you, GG

0 counterplay, just pops into existence and deletes u

at least i think its the same one, might just be double omen worst combo too

[ivory musk]

I just know that the omen slugs kinda decimate me...

those things do entirely too much dmg

[merry ore]

I am running into the exact same issue, I have reported a bug but did you find a workaround for this issue maybe?

[languid rover]

pretty sure the slugs decimate everyone no matter the build, if u get hit once or twice its over

i can take 1 on the chin, 7 at once is a little too much to ask for

[ivory musk]

k, then at least it's not just a me problem

[languid rover]

slugs, skelly mages, and the whirlwind machines are just little too overtuned in the omen mechanic, they are stronger than most champions the omen spawn lmao

[main frigate]

lol odd conflict. Hi, someone never kill uberroth is here :)

They go ham too hard.

Meta builds VS non-meta builds is no sense when a game have zero fun

[desert nimbus]

Nani

Sometimes I just enjoy watching mods deal with people in AskDevsChat is that weird?

[turbid silo]

Give it a shot now

[eternal palm]

sort of, I think... Don't kill the mobs so fast. Wait until Eterra is done talking before moving on to the next statue

[merry ore]

@eternal palm I just found out for me I used Temporal Sanctum to skip part of the campaign but I needed to do that part over again to fix it. Thanks again though!

[tulip orbit]

harvest flay lich is soooo smooth and awesome!!!

[errant sundial]

Congealed Sludge strikes again

I can build tankier and tankier but there's not a whole lot I can do to withstand those

[night marten]

really the only thing is a cleanse

currently

or some obscene amounts of dot mitagation...which i dont think exists

[ivory musk]

is it a dot? It just seems like a very fast hit that somehow goes through all resist to me

[hard basalt]

I've been wondering that too

when I looked it up on tunklab it says yes to the "is a hit" line

but the damage tag is DoT, not hit

and when I died to it the killing blow damage is like, 6k which seem steep for a DoT tick

[errant sundial]

I didn't even know it was a debuff

I have boots that cleanse on evade

[ivory musk]

holy, just pulled a 2LP truesight glass

[fallow elbow]

anyone know why my timeline didnt spawn with a corruption reset node?

[ivory musk]

what do i even try to put on that...probably fire pen huh...

[fallow elbow]

my timeline spawned with 4 chains + 2 cemeteries covering all 6 spots around spawn and no reset point

[hard basalt]

could be a bug perhaps, I think I saw one recently on reddit

[fallow elbow]

i guess i have to go find a orobyss i can kill at 2k corruption

[hard basalt]

if you do any node does it not spawn on the next empty nearby node

[fallow elbow]

yes the one orobyss near spawn i cant kill 🙂

need one with different abilities

[ivory musk]

lol, corrupting totally ruined the amulet 😄

rolled the slammed mods to t3 and t2

[hard basalt]

oh, I meant does the sanctuary not spawn after you do a node next to an empty node

[fallow elbow]

no it does not

i think it's just coded to spawn as one of the starting nodes but all 6 of my starting spots were taken

[novel locust]

What do y'all think is stronger Javadin or Heartseeker?

[night marten]

jav

tho it does depend which jav build

there do be a few of them

[novel locust]

I only know the one on MR

And Electrify

But I heard phys is better

I did drop a fractal tree finally though no LP, haven't egged it yet

[shut shard]

nah you can get it to spawn in any position in the web if for example you return to a half complete low corr web

[shut shard]

is heartseeker even played without the icicle bow? at which point it's hardly a heartseeker build anymore

[novel locust]

True lol I've been using that

[fallow elbow]

please elaborate as i would love to not have to go all the way out

[shut shard]

just do any echo with open space around and it should spawn nearby

as long as the conditions are met

[fallow elbow]

when you say "it" what do you mean exactly

im referring to the reset node, not orobyss

[shut shard]

but that's the web reset node? Or do you mean the sanctum/corruption reduction?

[fallow elbow]

yes

is there somewhere on this discord where i can post a screenshot

[hard basalt]

#❔┃ask-the-community can

[fallow elbow]

#feedback message i posted a screenshot here

you can see what my timeline looks like and no sanctum is spawning

[shut shard]

oh no biggie I'm just sure nobody in EHG playtested the all echoes are chains node

[fallow elbow]

my guess is that the 2 cemetery spawn spots bricked it

[shut shard]

so they forgot to put in a few failsafes

check back in 2.5 they'll fix it

[fallow elbow]

so yea now i have to go all the way out and find a shade i can kill

[night marten]

f8 and report this in game as a bug. throwing it in feedback isnt super helpful since it doesnt give any game data

[fallow elbow]

cant attach the same screenshot in game but i will report it

[night marten]

when you hit f8...it takes a screenshot

[round copper]

THANK YOU ALOT haha! Its working fine! I can craft now 😭

[turbid silo]

Hooray!

[lost garden]

qq whats the biggest difference between Tomb and Cemetery? I know both can enchant idols and only Cemetery can put echos on the map...

so is Cemetery generally better ?

[shut shard]

that's the big difference, one is for map building, the other is just some extra juice on the side of your normal echo

also some drops are unique to the woven firstborn like inheritance of the erased

a common item in single minion builds

[lost garden]

ah I see. so if I play mage, which means Cemetery is more useful? and is Tomb better for farming amber? compared to Cemetery ?

[shut shard]

neither is "more" useful, but tombs are full echoes where the tomb is the main objective