💬┃general

[ornate lantern]

so this is technically the 5th season right? Between launch and S1 was basically s0?

[warped oak]

Reflect build still works on the next patch?

[night marten]

launch, s1, s2, s3, this is s4. so yes

[spark river]

Ya just less aoe with it

[ancient surge]

Technically yes, but s0 was no season at all, it was base game.

[ornate lantern]

checks out yeah, then with this season i will have started with every class then. Mage is the only one that remains

[night marten]

it ended therefor it is a season

[past rose]

is Goldcap increesed :P?

[night marten]

no

[past rose]

Damm

[spark river]

I'm thinking of playing a spellblade this time. Haven't played one yet. Are they fun?

[ornate lantern]

what was your guys favourite build you ever played in LE so far?

[ancient surge]

How does s0 end when it's literally Legacy :p

Or was it that cycle back then was already activated?

[past rose]

eresed strike

[west mesa]

can be very fun, be interesting to see how the changes are for it this season

[inner finch]

What season isnt technically base-game so far?

[west mesa]

rougue bladedancer shadow daggers

[mellow owl]

How do you know it's p2w? Could be really shitty lol

[ancient surge]

Frankly, confusion rating just went sky high for me, so Imma just go make dinner salad instead.

[spark river]

Ya just gonna dive in it. This game is really alt friendly so won't be a thing rerolling

[west mesa]

they are fishing

[lucid herald]

i think im gonna lock in cold aura spellblade

havent played a mage in a while and i love me some cold dot in this game

[long spindle]

ㅤㅤ

[spark river]

Yah I want to freeze shit too

[past rose]

Corrupting is life Corruption is freedom

[broken otter]

Did they change the imprint nerf or will it still go live

[spark river]

I also wanna try puke volitial zombie

[stray vector]

hey, i havent been around for a while, what imprint nerf please?

[ornate lantern]

so far I played:

S0 - Bleed Warlock, Cthonic Fissure build
S1 - Shadow Daggers Falconer
S2 - Warpath VK/ Erasing Strike VK
S3 - Frog Overlord Beastmaster, Ribbit Devotee

[west mesa]

want to see do something with marksman, admitted just because the new bow supportor skin looks sick

[lucid herald]

tl;dr: imprinting items on the weaver tree is 50% less effective, even moreso for the rarest item outcomes

[spark river]

It's bait! Lol jk

[rose hedge]

I'll just assume they wanna sell it, so it'll be opop :D

[stray vector]

oh, when did they nerf it?

[lucid herald]

with the new season patch

[spark river]

Inc this cycle

[stray vector]

i see, thank you!

[lucid herald]

it just means your farming is less shoehorned into imprints and you can do other things

like loot lizards for example

:)

[stray vector]

very good, thanks!

[spark river]

I'm mainly excited to slam things

[dusk root]

damn i can't decide on a class for s4

[west mesa]

lucky dip

[spark river]

Le is really alt friendly so you can't really go wrong

[broken otter]

• Imprint item nodes drop items 50% less frequently.
• Similar items dropped from imprint item nodes have a much lower chance to have multiple exalted affixes.
• Similar items dropped from imprint item nodes have a much lower chance to be very rare unique items.

[dusk root]

Is there new mtx armors this season i seen they have same ones for like 2 years now lol

[inner finch]

Every season has new supporter packs

how did you miss that

[west mesa]

there is new support packs, but im sure other skins will be in shop

[stray vector]

i see...are the double/multi exalted items such a problem?

it wasnt an issue since the weaver tree was implemented, no?

or will the new season mechanic provide new ways to farm multi exalted items?

[simple jolt]

how likely is the upheaval from sabertooth to trigger earthquake with the new idol?

[stray vector]

or is it just artificial stretching the gearing ?

[lucid herald]

I wouldnt call it artificial

[broken otter]

Yes

Not in MG

[lucid herald]

The thing the devs cited is that imprints were "skipping" gear progression

which is true

[night marten]

the imprinting was too strong it was overshadowing other item acquisition methods.

the devs have also said that expecting a 3t7 item on a 3lp item is not realistic. you should expect some t5's on those uniques

[lucid herald]

once you got a decent enough item you could imprint it until another of the stats went exalted, then imprint the new copy, etc etc

[stray vector]

that was the way for over a year or so xD

[lucid herald]

well yeah, from s2 to now

and now thats not in the game because it was clearly too good

[stray vector]

okay, that makes sense, i understand the thought behind it

[stray vector]

i understand, thank you

[broken otter]

In CoF it is

[lucid herald]

getting 2 useful t7 affixes on one item should be a jackpot, not the expected progression path

[stray vector]

what abt T7 + T5 ?

that would be a decent substitute while farming for higher rolls

[broken otter]

You had to farm an insane amount for it even before, now it is not realistic at all anymore no. Useless change

[lucid herald]

t7 + t5 will be pretty accessible for cof anyway

[stray vector]

hmm...

i guess they werent happy with builds min maxing T7 affixes and farm 2k+ corruption, i suppose?

since it will scale with the rewards in S4

[lucid herald]

i mean the strong deep corruption pushing builds will still exist, but in general what the imprint change does is extend the process of getting aspirational gear

[stray vector]

i see, i see

whatever helps to improve the game, right?

[spark river]

I can say for myself I got geared way too fast and quit really early last season

[stray vector]

brainlessly spamming the same echos over and over again to fish for multi exalteds wasnt such a great gameplay loop after all

[ancient surge]

If the intent was double exalt to be rare and triple veeery rare, then imprints substituting regular game play and the "Chase" aspect of even a 2T7, then the "nerf" should have been seen a mile away.

[stray vector]

oh, im fine with the change, as long as it improves the game

[fair bay]

I get the reason for the change but the part I'll be missing is getting a legendary with exalted affixes while leveling through the campaign. Was obnoxious but fun!

[stray vector]

would just suck if they nerfed it so hard that imprinting becomes a worthless slot on the weaver tree, tho

so i hope they did the math properly on that nerf

😬

[spark river]

If it's too heavy handed I'm sure ppl with rage on reddit or whatever and they could change it

[kind latch]

Ey, dumb question, anyone got a link to explain season character / stash moves to legacy? Like, how much shit to I need to cull to make sure my good test equipment doesn't get truncated?

[broken siren]

will you still be able to play offline mode when the servers are down?

[broken otter]

Its so ass people won't even come back let alone leave a negative review

[night marten]

you have to cull nothing. all yours tab go to remove only tabs

[night marten]

true offline, yea

[broken otter]

With people I mean my guild, im sure alot of others will try it out until they realize

[kind latch]

Danke sir

[spark river]

Well the game was fun before the imprint thing soo I just think you are a whiny baby

[broken otter]

Think what you want

[spark river]

I will

[broken otter]

Good boy

[inner sand]

so who's ready for "are the servers down?" tomorrow. 😛

[cobalt ridge]

SMH, minmaxers and their 1st world problems. Not like a lot of them won't be grinding to see what corruption the new stuff gets them to. The ones thst throw their toys out of the pram...? Oh well.

[alpine hare]

dont suppose anyone has a countdown/timezone adjusted timestamp for the new season?

[ancient surge]

main site has the countdown.

[cobalt ridge]

Top of the patch notes on the right

[hollow osprey]

there is an event on this discord when it goes live, with the time in your zone

[hoary radish]

So I don't play the game enough to be chasing double exalt t7 but other then imprint how else (in cof) do you get those?

[vocal sonnet]

have loot lizard ever been good?

[viral marsh]

Yes

[south moat]

Yes, they're good lizards that deserve petting

[ancient surge]

Therein is the point. You're supposed to play a while, put in effort to climb the difficulty ladder, go up in corruption. The reward ratio kind of peaks at around 1.1k corruption and you're supposed to put in the effort to make it that far.

I only ever imprinted uniques and you know what? Nemesis gave me the most multi-exalt items anyway.

[night marten]

how did you get the double t7 in the first place to imprint it?

[kind latch]

Compared to imprinting? No. Will have to sadly waste weaver points next season on lizard nonsense nodes.

[ancient surge]

I was going to flex that titan heart off of my ES VK from season 2, but maybe it's better that I can't paste the picture. Suffice to say, T7 ES, T7 mana and T5 health made it on there because of a double T7 (I forget source, but most likely nemmy) body armor that I managed to work into that shape. Even copied it too back then, but hit the 3 affixes 1st try.

[fallen arrow]

Fix the server ms/ping EHG!

[ancient surge]

I'm not going to argue for or against anything other than: Put in the effort, play smart, persevere, you will get rewarded by RNGsus :p

[tardy rover]

is there an overview of all the changes in the new season somewhere?

[viral marsh]

Yes in #news

[minor verge]

bois, how clunky is Skele Pop? Wanted to play something akin to CE/DD but having the skele mage doing the pop looks kinda eh

[dusk root]

do these armor sets from the pack work on every class? like this rogue looking one

shadowy

[clever cape]

How can I read sub-describtions of skills, whenver I "move my mouse" to the describtions it closes the original skill window

[night marten]

Yes

[tardy crypt]

If you are asking about the online build planner, hold z when hovering over something to move the mouse around a description without it disappearing

[clever cape]

no I mean ingame, when something is in "white" colour on a particular item and id like to read that describtion

[uneven knoll]

does full offline work while servers are down?

[clever cape]

many items/skills have this

[uneven knoll]

hold alt

[radiant kiln]

Wait, did they just basically nerfed T7 gains throughout all current forms?

[south moat]

yes

[red fox]

y

[mellow owl]

No, only imprints

[vocal sonnet]

t1's will still be easy you just wont be able to get a bunch of double t7's from trove

[velvet jungle]

When will the game download be available?

[steep river]

In the patch notes post, at the top, there's about a 15 minute video linked that summarizes the update and shows some clips https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-shattered-omens-patch-notes/80571

[tardy rover]

thank you

[night marten]

Exactly when the patch drops, at 11am cdt

[steep river]

It should be available to start downloading when the servers come back up at <t:1774540800:f>. The servers will be down for 24 hours before then. During the downtime, if you want to play offline, you can set the game to full offline in Steam to continue to play Season 3 until the update.

[rare dune]

what is the thing called that doubles passive mastery?

[cobalt fable]

ah yes last season i got cooked by bad internet, no pre-download is so cancer

[prisma folio]

hope you're able to get it downloaded before the season ends

[cobalt fable]

[rare dune]

can wraithlord eat bees to power up?

[wispy furnace]

any info on the file size of the patch for season 4?

[night marten]

Nothing official

[viral marsh]

200 GB

[wispy furnace]

thanks for the answer

[dusk root]

patch comes thursday?

[viral marsh]

#💬┃general message

[slim smelt]

can somone remind me how do you get set item modifiers on items that arent set items?

[shut pollen]

did the server just shit the bed?

[quick snow]

great bridge shatters set items into set affix shards

[primal abyss]

You have to use the set items in the Great Bridge Echo ^

[regal yoke]

yes

How will I ever practice my 14th thorn totem playthrough 🥴

[primal abyss]

Looking into it c:

Are you unable to reconnect?

[shut pollen]

nope hanging on logging in then getting unable to connect

[lean storm]

I got kicked too. had to restart the game and i havent had an issue yet

[ornate siren]

LE-52 error

[lean storm]

nvm...still having connection issues.

[primal abyss]

Thanks for confirming.

[ornate siren]

thanks for looking into this vandryll

[worn harbor]

stuck in loadingscreen when go to a new zone

[primal abyss]

Of course!

[shut pollen]

my buddy could reconnect too, im still hanging

[dusky void]

Anyone else get stuck on random loading screens? Happend twice to me today. First time when loading "The Surface" map and just now when entereing "The Lotus Halls".

[ornate siren]

it connects then puts you into a que

[primal abyss]

Try a different server just in case but informed the team and gonna see if it was a blimp or something else. Yeah the transition to different zones usually require server check so

[ornate siren]

it might be hit or miss not 100 stable yet

[ornate siren]

appreciate you! this is community engagement / help TY

[eternal palm]

hit a que on login, but got logged in and zone transferred with no issues just a moment ago

[quick snow]

if a blimp took out the servers i think it would be down a bit longer...

[eternal palm]

prolly meant blip

[primal abyss]

This reminds me of one of those grade school word problems.

"If Vandryll, Kain and Derrick were riding a blimp and it decided to hit a server..."

I meant blip but imma double down on blimp

[viscid cipher]

Gotta watch out for those blimps! 😵‍💫

[primal abyss]

I got yoooou~

Alright try now

Just because why not

[viscid cipher]

I am now sad there is no blimp emote. 😩

[ornate siren]

yeah were good it seems

[primal abyss]

But there is... a

BEElimp

The team will keep an eye out on things though

[pine herald]

Nice replacement

[turbid silo]

Looks like servers are good now. We're monitoring.

[pine herald]

What about a beelimp mtx?

[primal abyss]

It was ||some bees that got lost in the hive||

[eternal palm]

oh beehave

[half flint]

Does it take long to get a Primordial?

[primal abyss]

Uh.. depends. Sometimes you can get lucky and one can drop or you'll have to just farm for them. With the new Echo Chains for rift beasts coming in Season 4, it might help make that easier

[steel mesa]

Also depends on the primordial you're trying to get, some of them take less grinding than others

[half flint]

thanks . Wanted to start Frogs as soon as possible 😄 Hoping i get lucky and the nerf is not too much

[eternal palm]

I had the t-rex head drop for me from the rift beast, and I'm able to buy one after about 4 days of hard farming, but none fit my current build atm.

[primal abyss]

I think you'll still have fun wtih frogs

I farmed for the Rex on my first toon...only a day later to get it to drop

🫠

RNG amirite?

[eternal palm]

rng 👍🏻

[steel mesa]

It took me forever to grind out the set ring for my mage build the first time

[eternal palm]

is anyone looking at the fact that if you roll an affix off you can get it back 2 rolls later?

[vocal sonnet]

primordials shouldnt take too long now with echo chains

you can kinda focus on it

[eternal palm]

or heck, 1 roll later if you're unlucky

[steel mesa]

ye I'm pretty excited for echo chains

[vocal sonnet]

one of the first nodes im taking on the weaver tree

infact it may be a thing I do super early so I can get stability chains to do the normal mono's quick

[ornate siren]

TY EHG appreciate all you guys do

[ancient lagoon]

flay lich or lightning blast runemaster?

[steel mesa]

LB is easier to get going but Flay Lich is stronger I think. It requires a lot of gear to feel good though.

[turbid silo]

Np! Our pleasure

[ancient lagoon]

can you recommend a Lich starter build to respec into flay later with gear?

[vocal sonnet]

dunno lb mage is kinda nutty when done

[steel mesa]

I mean we're comparing 2 of the most broken builds in the game xd I've seen faster uber kills with Flay so that's why I consider it stronger but I prefer LB cus I'm a mage main

[split shard]

I played necrotic lich last season and it was online as soon as flay was unlocked. You just needed any source of shared melee necrotic.

[molten fulcrum]

They said it back in 1.0 too, and servers couldnt handle too many players

[ancient lagoon]

can you share a guide for it?

[bronze turtle]

i mean no dev can expect the amount of players coming in, not even the "better game" of poe has good servers lol

[split shard]

I’ll see if I have an old link. Online planner build for day 3 before season starts.

[steel mesa]

poe servers are complete trash every league so I'm used to it in these games

[hallow hull]

damn the game goes off for a whole day before a season 😱

[bronze turtle]

ya i just expect every single game to have server problems at start of seasons, its not really the devs fault, cant blame them they will try to fix it the best they can but they can never account for the server instability

[steel mesa]

funnily enough I've never had server issues out of torchlight, everyone else sucks with servers

[ornate siren]

how can they have issues they have 100 people playing their game

[split shard]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZNZGzPB
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXPpM9bo

Rough outliune of how I started.

[slow cloud]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (76) / Warlock (15)

General:

▸ Health: 4,081, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 729.51, Regen: 14.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 114%, Regen: 4/s
▸ Attributes: 9 Str / 10 Dex / 57 Int / 9 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 64% / 64% / 64% / 72% / 72% / 85% / 45%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,595
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (188)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (2,987)

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Rip Blood / Harvest

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (78) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,541, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,203.02, Regen: 19.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 90%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 6 Dex / 45 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 73% / 73% / 73% / 83% / 83% / 76% / 36%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,385
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (130)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,139)

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Rip Blood / Harvest

[ancient lagoon]

thank you!

[split shard]

Any time.

[molten fulcrum]

Its more than 10k on steam during early seasons

[ornate siren]

it was a joke more than anything else

[molten fulcrum]

But its kinda true tho, its like 5k-5k on eu/us servers so way less than poe or last epoch, i never had issues in torchlight but poe1/poe2/last epoch every 2nd season has some server issues

Poe related server issues are always the eu servers, the rest of problems come from eu people moving to other servers so those start lagging/dc people too

[ornate siren]

wanna talk about server issues go play that dumpster fire called D4

[bronze turtle]

but d4 is dead

[molten fulcrum]

Thats cuz 1k players play it

[ornate siren]

been dead for a long time for me... you cant turn chicken shit into chicken salad 🤣

[steel mesa]

D4 is my least favorite arpg but calling it dead is hilarious

[ancient lagoon]

damn, watched some videos and really can't decide between lb runemaster and flay lich, they both looks fun to play and strong...

[molten fulcrum]

Play abom necro

[bronze turtle]

im still deciding if i want to play some sort of mage, go back to heartseeker, or give void shield throw a run

[ornate siren]

its more perspective than anything else ... game has no value for me unfortunatley

[steel mesa]

there should hopefully be more viable mage builds this season

fingers crossed.

[bronze turtle]

i dont care for viable i only care for fun

[ornate siren]

well there you go! your gaming experience is different than some people

[ancient lagoon]

never played LB so variety of builds on mage is not important for me too

[steel mesa]

they are one in the same for me, a build can be fun but if it can't clear all the content I don't wanna invest my time into it

that's mainly because this game doesn't have much content tho, the main goal is to do uber

[earnest oasis]

no.

[steel mesa]

it is though. seasons typically peak around 20k.

[molten fulcrum]

Apperently it was 23k players on recent leaguestart day2, then it falls off by 10k over a week

[steel mesa]

people are just delusional because they hate gacha xd

the game does fine

and say what you want but they push out content way faster than this game.

[ancient lagoon]

this is true, TLI is one of the best arpg

[molten fulcrum]

I have no problems with torchlight besides their p2w endgame, and yes only endgame is p2w you cant argue with that (aka deepspace with drop pets if you know)

[steel mesa]

oh I agree, if the game didn't have p2w drop pets it'd probably be my top arpg

[weak ravine]

Can someone explain to me the new idol system introducing on March 26th?

[steel mesa]

I still manage to push pretty far into the endgame with only level 1 legendary pets tho so I don't complain too much

[molten fulcrum]

Use new feature to boost ur idols when hitting the shiny squares and corrupt ur idols i guess for bonus stats

[ancient lagoon]

i have no problem with p2w in TLI because i manage to get to deep space last 2 seasons 1 week after season start with only buying BP, also deep space is not even worth it, profound is almost same profits with lower investments

[steel mesa]

I was making over 1k an hour in profound with a f2p strategy so last season was great

[quasi moon]

I haven't played since the launch of this game I have no idea what class to roll

[earnest oasis]

I like TLI because the challenges actually mean something, doing the challenges gets me 1 more copy of pet, so I collect 4% more damage for next league

[ancient lagoon]

but i'm playing every season from release, and for a new player it's probably feels much worse in terms of p2w

[molten fulcrum]

Deep space is the ultimate farm basically if you cant farm it you lose out on 5k/hr strats and stuck on "f2p" profound strats 2-3k/hr max thats it

[ornate siren]

yes this season was way longer than it should have been but considering what has taken place during the last few months {new ownership} and EHG currently adding more resources to make this game even better moving forward you not being fair in your critisism.. if this happens again and is the norm then what you said in your post is 100% valid

[ancient lagoon]

same, no other arpgs holds me more than 2 weeks, because lack of meaningfull challenges

[steel mesa]

I am being fair because this isn't the first time we've had a super long season.

[quasi moon]

thats pretty much every arpg, I suffer from the same thing

[ornate siren]

if thats fair i dont wanna know what unfair is

[steel mesa]

it's ok to be a LE super fan

[ancient lagoon]

you clearly don't know what are you talking about, my friend is a whale and has almost all c6 mechanics pets, but he still farm like 2-3k/hr and he didn't like deep space too

[ornate siren]

its not being a super fan just calling you out for what it is

[steel mesa]

nah it's being a super fan, excuses don't matter when they consistently struggle to put out content

I still like the game tho

[ancient lagoon]

well in TLI you get free drop and battle pet of your choise if you manage to kill SS20 boss, and they are pretty hard to kill

[ornate siren]

have fun and enjoy the game

[quasi moon]

ah thats kinda neat

[ancient lagoon]

the problem with TLI is lack of meta shake, still same mana stack BB and TS builds is the strongest

[molten fulcrum]

Still chinese with 100T builds rush compass strats in DS 4-5k/hr with their maxed pets, its almost double the fe/hr compared to profound strats, and DS is locked behind pets

Lets say u invest 10k fe and get back 11k u made 1k fe profit over how many hrs?
Now if you have the pets for it you will make 30k fe and 20k profit and if it took 4 hrs then its 5k/hr instead of 250/hr

[vocal sonnet]

tf are you guys on about

[steel mesa]

TLI makes playing the game rewarding which is why I like the game

[ancient lagoon]

little correction, battle pet you get from other challeng called city defence it's pretty boring actually, but need pretty min maxed build too

[steel mesa]

poe used to feel rewarding pushing my build farther and farther but they've deleted a lot of aspirational content so I get bored pretty fast now

[night marten]

Lets take the torchlight stuff elsewhere

[molten fulcrum]

Just play some offmeta zdps zclear build then every upgrade will feel rewarding

[ornate siren]

thank you

[steel mesa]

But not the poe stuff? Your bias is obvious

[ancient lagoon]

i don't really care about things like this dude, game is fun to play, fubgun in poe is farm MUCH MORE than me too, even without p2w, don't see the point for this comparings

[steel mesa]

idk how fubgun does it

[ancient lagoon]

nah, you know how wink wink

[steel mesa]

dude has a headhunter farmed out by day 2 every league

[ancient lagoon]

there is CLEARLY no p2w in poe wink wink

[steel mesa]

lmao

it's impossible to avoid rmt in a game with a market

ik a lot of people make crazy money off of poe leagues

[vocal sonnet]

can I stick the reduced mana cost prefix on scepters onto the firestarter torch?

[tiny shoal]

Guys is season 4 launching on march 26th 16:00 GMT? is the time correct?

[vocal sonnet]

yes

[bronze turtle]

should be able to, i think torch is a scepter

[vocal sonnet]

so I could stick it on the torch for -11 spell cost? maybe I could use this on self cast meteor then

[ancient lagoon]

ahhhh screw this, gonna play LB runemaster, Flay lich looks fun fast and flashy but i'm afraid of slow and hard start...

[bronze turtle]

honestly lb is just so smooth and the fact you start it at level 1 for me is just so nice. think even if LB gets nerfed into oblivion, id probably still play it just because of how nice it feels to me

[south moat]

Poe stuff too.

[ancient lagoon]

is it like old poe Arc right? never played it, but from YT vids it looks like good old Arc

[bronze turtle]

ya its basically just arc

it does kind of ramp up though, it doesnt fully chain like arc does, you need to cast it a few times to get the stacks of arcing along with the points in its tree but ya its just arc

[steel mesa]

with enough cast speed even the single target node can feel great for clear speed tbh, LB is just a good feeling skill that makes perfect use of spark charges

[ancient lagoon]

i'm convinced now, i love Arc

[bronze turtle]

speaking of spark charges, i really want to try the new lightning conversion to shatter strike and get the idols to have a chance to proc spark charges on melee hits. idk if there is an internal cooldown to it, but i like the idea of hitting like 20 times with shatter strike and applying 20 spark charges at once

[cobalt fable]

titan quest 2 will be the poe killer

[west ivy]

Wonder if ignite FG can work with smelter's wrath, not a whole lot of ignite there

[broken siren]

what are you guys doing while in the LE S4 waiting room? 🙂

[earnest oasis]

you can make 13k in a single overrealm map max juice

[vocal sonnet]

do you play LB as level 1?

[bronze turtle]

its the first ability mage gets

[vocal sonnet]

i thought people levelled glacier/ shatter

[bronze turtle]

i mean you can but you dont get them level 1

[south moat]

It's not as good for lvling until you get the gear

[simple bison]

Glacier is the usual go to leveling skill on mage

[stark frost]

Glacier is pretty great, I did that for season 2.

[night marten]

with being able to rotate now while channeling, furnace is going to help the ignite part out quite a bit

[bronze turtle]

i know if im playing spellblade, i will swap to shatterstrike because its a fun skill and i really like the melee mage archetype, but that doesn't happen until obviously you unlock the spellblade mastery. LB is quite literally there as soon as you make the character and you can instantly start using it unless you decide you are just going to melee everything with your scepter. i just personally enjoy LB because its more smooth and just more fun to see arcing lightning than i do waiting for glacier to spawn and hit the target. its just personal preference at the end of the day. i know a lot of people prefer to do like hammers on sentinel, but as soon as i get warpath, thats my leveling ability right there until i decide to swap to something

[stark frost]

Yeah definitely personal preference at the end of the day. I like the "omae wa mou shindeiru" of glacier when leveling 😆

[west ivy]

Mana strike frost claw tho

[nova gyro]

Saw you guys post the hiring ad, let me know if you need a forklift driver

[gilded juniper]

I would like to apply for the opening: stay at home janitor.

[topaz lion]

I have a claude code subscription can I apply to UX designer

[proven grove]

I'm glad they're hiring, scared that they aren't successful and with krafton losing $250mill like I'm spooked we won't have last epoch for years to come 😭

[low merlin]

So, why am I being pinged for a job posting?

[sleek laurel]

So they just did a rogue improvenent ?

[bronze turtle]

that sounds like an interesting build, i've never given frost claw to much of a try but its interesting lol

[jade oxide]

~~If you play LE you’re basically unemployed ~~

[steel mesa]

frost claw used to be absurd, still a very fun skill

[autumn river]

Are they hiring a whole dev team? Everyone left huh?

[icy kiln]

Yeah an @ everyone for a job posting like... Wtf man lmao

[void wolf]

💀

[mossy folio]

when the patch comes out there's no way im not doing lightning throwing shurikens

[west ivy]

There's also a dagger that casts LB when you hit with frost claw

[fiery barn]

The fact they had to post job hunting on discord is actually hilarious

[void wolf]

They’re probably just hiring ppl who know how to use AI knowing krafton

[runic oyster]

not really

[autumn river]

https://giphy.com/gifs/put-the-fries-in-bag-just-irmWQvmRgBiavdo8fH

[kindred harbor]

Love all the middle finger and trans flag emojis though lol

[rose hedge]

that's a pretty cheap way to reach 200k people if you ask me

[mossy folio]

i mean the clair obscur team found their music guy on what, soundcloud?

[rancid pulsar]

looking for devs under 30 with at least 40 years of experience

[fringe lotus]

When can we download the new S4 patch?

[low merlin]

I think the flying without that many leads is way more hilarious

[rose hedge]

day after tomorrow, when it comes out

[void wolf]

Especially because most games want devs that understand the game which if they’re in here they have at least an understanding of what the game is

[warped lava]

Thats a lot of job positions. Did they start a mass layoff after the paid class fiasco or something

[fringe lotus]

@rose hedge so no pre install? Can't download until 11a central time Thursday?

[mossy folio]

hopefully not

[digital fog]

Yea one position each, can't be multiple with same title /s

[mossy folio]

but i imagine someone'd make a drama video about it already

[void wolf]

They probably fired anyone against AI and are hiring AI forward people

[mossy folio]

if that was the case

[fringe lotus]

Chief keef a buster

[cobalt fable]

thats the right move imo, AI is the future

[void wolf]

Ironic name

[warped lava]

chatgpt might be able to fix the old bugs from forge master

[void wolf]

Come on we use Claude now

[obtuse kindle]

Who would make it? Who would watch it? Lmao

[leaden maple]

This… is probably true…

[runic bronze]

man, if they had some Software QA roles, i'd apply

[inner finch]

Man, every global tag is such an absolute event in this place

Idk why those are still here

[mossy folio]

people. the most irrelevant things ever can also spin out into internet drama

[runic bronze]

but SQA tends to get in the way of features, if they aren't built right

[mossy folio]

not to say last epoch is irrelevant

[obtuse kindle]

It is

[sour idol]

If they didn't require gaming industry experience, I would apply

[void wolf]

Kinda is tho

[night marten]

no one left. they are expanding

[rose hedge]

you guys think the bee beastmaster is a meme or legit?

[void wolf]

They just randomly decided to kill their own game lmao

[stiff dagger]

Can you elaborate please

[runic oyster]

at least there is a game to play before hero siege

[loud fable]

Please don't elaborate. It's offensive that you even decided to post some low-IQ crap like that 🙂

[mossy folio]

now that i look at the player count on steamdb... damn

even diablo 4 is doing better

[void wolf]

No update for like a year then the first thing they post is “hey guys we’re adding paid classes that we promised we’d never add”

[rose hedge]

two days before season start, right.. are you trolling or clueless? lol

[night marten]

well yes...the new season is in 2 days...most people are waiting, like every arpg before launch of a new season

[loud fable]

Still a big fan of deleting clearly low-IQ/low-effort stuff. Being "friendly" and "open" towards people with clear intent isn't being accepting and nice. It's just enabling them.

[earnest oasis]

its probably better working for last epoch than it is working for amazon

[mossy folio]

look at the overall stats

for the past year

[obtuse kindle]

Does Krafton expect to make that 96 mil back from EHG profits? If so how would they? And what would that timeline look like?

These are the questions I think about when I wonder about the longevity and quality of this game. Anyone else?

[mossy folio]

average daily

[edgy light]

do these people have brains

the new season starts in 2 days and they are checking player count 😂

[void wolf]

Well yea all you do is claude vibe code

[earnest oasis]

at krafton no

[versed apex]

Just don't engage. Deleting enables them as well.

[rose hedge]

these stats do not matter, that's not how arpgs work

[autumn river]

thats cap

[mossy folio]

so? not like stats cant be viewed for more than the past 7 days

[stiff dagger]

So like diablo? Aside from the promising never to i suppose

[night marten]

it is not. they were at 100 last year. they are at 120 currently.

[ornate siren]

It’s crazy how misinformed people are and just say things to get attention

[void wolf]

Yea because Diablo 4 is what you want your game to be compared to d4 is really loved by ARPG players…

[loud fable]

That is THE answer, and it pays off to just have an ignore list of 2000+, but you can't catch them upfront. I was more speaking in support of the devs. There's criticism (which is often negative, and that's FINE), then there's braindead stuff.

Ultimately, even these 2 mins I spent on this are wasted, but just loaded up to read the news, and lo and behold - chat.

[edgy light]

people stop playing late season, are you new?

to like gaming in general

[autumn river]

they were at 150k players last year and struggling to hit 1% of that now, what are they expanding for lmao

[edgy light]

people find the weirdest shit to be doomsayers about lol

[night marten]

so they can make content faster

[mossy folio]

people clearly stopped playing earlier than that

[obtuse kindle]

Each season has less returning players by the 10s of thousands. I can't imagine LE sells that many new copies a season, and the mtx is still mid so I can't imagine that making much money either.

How is Krafton going to get that 96 mil back, or is LE a loss leader for them?

[mossy folio]

are you new to data?

[runic oyster]

bub, have you ever played any other ARPG

[edgy light]

stg everyone in gaming these days joins a discord to talk about how "errrgmawwwwwh the game is dying"

[fair wing]

I donno how you do it Eagles

[versed apex]

Deleting stuff almost always ends in "see the devs know the truth and are trying to suppress it by deleting opinions they don't agree with." Let the voices go unanswered and it just doesn't matter in the end. People have fun with a good game and naysayers will always exist. Trying to constantly battle them is a bad look and doesn't really work.

[inner finch]

me neither

[fair wing]

I'd just mute the channel lol

[earnest oasis]

Watching conversations like this is what honestly makes me want to dissasociate myself from the community.
The level of elitism is just...

[inner finch]

its so easy to just instaban the clowns

[night marten]

after working customer service for 20 years irl, actually having a mute button is all the payment i need

[next rover]

People giving them attention for it are a lead part of the problem too. I just sit back and watch this all happen.

[loud fable]

No, no, we agree, and it's basic. I'd do the same were in EHG's position - it's a business, after all. Howling at the moon here.

[edgy light]

company is trying to expand and people in cord be like OH NO ITS THE END OF THE WORLD THEY ARE GUNNA GO UNDER FAST

😂

[mossy folio]

player count has been under and around 2k since end of november btw

[wide willow]

damn, they are hiring some more ppl, must be doing good 🙂

[near horizon]

Is there a channel where people talk about the actual f*cking game? What is this bullshit?

[fair wing]

I feel yeah, I was a Dell Phone tech like 20 years ago.

[night marten]

almost any channel except general tbh

[void wolf]

No one is playing the game atm

[cobalt fable]

we will talk about the game starting 26

[night marten]

this is just the first channel so it catches all the other people

[near horizon]

Yeah but there's reasons to talk about what to play

[fair wing]

Can we go back to bee puns? it was so much better.

[near horizon]

Before it starts

[night marten]

remember this

[mossy folio]

its also that there isn't a dedicated off-topic or non-epoch general chat

[runic oyster]

gonna play bladestorm rain traps and see if its bait hope i win

[inner finch]

It usually takes a day or two for the circus to leave

[night marten]

#📚┃off-topic yes there is?

[muted cape]

Here we go! Love mass chatting during a new hype season

[tender marsh]

I'll be going physical Gathering Storm Primalist

[mossy folio]

huh, my bad, had that section hidden lmao

[stiff dagger]

D4 is actually cooking lately, the new expansion next month changes the whole game. Idk about you but most adults can allow themselves $30 a year to support and enjoy the game they love playing 🤣 the issue is probably promising never to i suppose

[dreamy mist]

buzz buzz

[muted cape]

Slow mode incoming soon tm

[cobalt fable]

for now i will say i dont like krafton, anything they do is bad

[versed apex]

What's the difference between general and off topic? They're the same thing lol

[earnest oasis]

no more trolling. they're done pooping.

[loud fable]

Ultimately, LE's public numbers have been going down, but I swear that, in two years of active tracking their "private numbers", as well as others, and then looking at discussions here, I've seen like <10 people that discuss the topic in any smart manner. Even rarer, like <5 people that are trying to understand why the game might be doing "bad" (quotes super important, because the game is most likely not doing bad, it's just not doing amazing).

[near horizon]

What are you guys thinking of playing? Maybe one of the new rogue skills for me

[mossy folio]

wait till thursday

[night marten]

general is for LE talk. off topic is for other games that everyone likes to talk about

[loud fable]

Literally Practically none. I used to be an active chatter about all things LE 😭

[tender marsh]

The day of launch is almost never the problem. It's the 24 hours before that is a mess

[void wolf]

You must work in management with the way you’re trying to word it

[viral marsh]

I'm spending more time in planners than I do in game

[west ivy]

Trying ignite FG
Spell VK if I later manage to get the right grar
And then uhhh spellblade glacier maybe?

[loud fable]

No, I'm just trying to appear smarter than you. It's an easier theory to digest. Why not say that?

[tender marsh]

So I expect slow mode for all of the 25th-27th

[void wolf]

Biggest issue with LE is no fixed schedule and they’ll release the season at the worst possible time.

[earnest oasis]

biggest issue with LE is bugs

[near horizon]

There are obvious reasons why the game might not be doing well like the frequency of new content

[signal mica]

They are hopefully preparing for PS and Xbox release and a sequel.

[void wolf]

Like releasing 2 weeks after Poe and 1 week before the biggest hero siege update

[night marten]

...which is why they are hiring more people to hit the schedule more consistently

[west ivy]

You mean expansion, not sequel

[signal mica]

No I meant sequel or new game within two years

[cobalt fable]

theres no downtime anymore

[void wolf]

Just be like poe2 and release awful updates with almost no content changes and still bring back a ton of players lol

[inner finch]

Why two years, have a sequel come out this summer

[earnest oasis]

its a weird unfinished buggy game, its a niece genre where only gaming addicts or losers play

[signal mica]

Get at it they are hiring

[grand rover]

why this summer, why not tommorrow

[night marten]

🤷‍♂️ popular names have it easier

[stiff dagger]

2 weeks is usually when a large amount of players start dipping after a new season and hero siege as cool as tue new season is, the games playerbase is nowhere near titles like d4 poe or even le

[void wolf]

Not true unfortunately I wish there was less downtime

[earnest oasis]

krafton should have elon play last epoch hardcore ladder

would pull in like 5k poe2 players

[cobalt fable]

lets talk about no pre download, and how this is the only game without one

[void wolf]

Get better internet

[earnest oasis]

there's not much to download anyways

[night marten]

you know its because of the true offline mode, as you have been told before

[viral marsh]

They had pre download s3 iirc, they won't have it on thursday?

[night marten]

they did not

they cannot

[cobalt fable]

and that why they cant compete with the big ones, true offline mentality

[void wolf]

It takes me 1 week to download the 1.5gb update EHG pls bring me fiber

[signal mica]

I hope they hire good folks game has been so fun and leading up to expansion console release is massive for them. Hope they have some sort of convention/launch meetup and invite people.

[fair wing]

oh, dude I'm so sorry

[chrome geode]

So, if they're hiring animators. Does that mean we will see better visuals and hopefully better audio effects?

[fair wing]

I feel bad for having 10g fiber now 😄

[void wolf]

I’m trolling

[fair wing]

you got me!

[cobalt fable]

im not sure you are

[void wolf]

Predownload is definitely not the problem tbh

[signal mica]

Sure but mostly for console and the next game imho

[void wolf]

Last AIpoch coming July 2026

[chrome geode]

The visuals and audio took me out of this game. Couldn't enjoy the game.

[signal mica]

Dang that sucks for you

[void wolf]

U have d2r as your tag…?

[eternal palm]

Question for the EHG guys:

Primalist Summon Storm Crow when you have crowstorm as a transversal does not activate the transversal and start a cooldown when you are under max summons...

Why don't the Skeletal Mages act the same way?

[chrome geode]

Yeah, it does. Because I've enjoyed lots of the mechanics they've introduced.

[chrome geode]

Yessir! It is a great remaster.

[viral marsh]

I think it's cause IF your storm crows die you can't use it. Skele mage can have 0 minions out and still cast it

[void wolf]

D2 is incredibly ugly

Visually and audio

[signal mica]

...

[void wolf]

There’s like 25 total pixels on screen

[night marten]

simmer down chat

[chrome geode]

Well, my comments are being removed. No longer interested in this conversation.

[vocal sonnet]

same lmao

[vocal sonnet]

heathen

[magic vector]

Can't expect much from eagles tbh

[cobalt fable]

lets go @night marten

[stray vector]

10 gigabit?

[fair wing]

Unifi UDM Pro SE 10g SPF card

[stray vector]

is that a business connection?

[signal mica]

You have an AI slop farm and such going on lol

[loud fable]

That's so true 😔 - Eagles has been a thorn in my back for two years now. The tyranny. The abuse. He's not letting me post dumb/offensive stuff. He's been deleting so many of my messages, I must be on his watchlist...and then he puts it under the "be civil" umbrella...yea, never seen anybody like Eagles.

[molten fulcrum]

Season4 when?

[stray vector]

what country is that?

[void wolf]

You’ve been posting dumb stuff for an hour now

[signal mica]

Keep up the good work mods!

[vocal sonnet]

tbh my connection is only 1.6gb

[fair wing]

Thats the equipment I have in my house.

[night marten]

https://discord.com/events/368953963267096586/1483197769995915346

[vocal sonnet]

dont need higher tbh

[earnest oasis]

my connection is 11mb

[magic vector]

Nothing has changed, cya in s5

[earnest oasis]

its good enough for everything

[fair wing]

I was thinking about going business class and getting a 25gb connection

[signal mica]

What in the

[void wolf]

People who need predownload:

[tender marsh]

cya on launch in 2 days buckaroo

[vocal sonnet]

why?

[vocal sonnet]

my guy the patch isnt out

[fair wing]

I run a lot of services from my house for my business.

[earnest oasis]

It will only take 3-6 hours

[vocal sonnet]

aah i see

[void wolf]

6-7 hours…

[fair wing]

I have 3 servers 😄

[vocal sonnet]

11mb internet?

[smoky pier]

Chat. When do I get new groles. 🤔

[molten fulcrum]

Cya in 2027 last epoch with paid classes

[earnest oasis]

I get my internet from a telephone wire from a silo

[smoky pier]

Is paid class a grole? If so, I'm all in. Take my money ehg.

[cobalt fable]

imagine p2w saves LE, its the biggest twist

[signal mica]

P2W?

[void wolf]

They should add autoloot pets

[fair wing]

dont fall for it

[magic vector]

Its a grok

[vocal sonnet]

its more p2p

[void wolf]

And mtx that give more damage

[signal mica]

A pet that picks up gold

I'd pay 19

Maybe 20

[vocal sonnet]

do pets not pick up gold?

[echo silo]

Has EHG induced layoffs that they are now trying to backfill with the recent hiring post?

[molten fulcrum]

Classes locked behind paywall is "pay to win"

[fair wing]

nope

[stray vector]

cents?

[signal mica]

Million

[night marten]

no, they are expanding their workforce to get content out quicker

[stray vector]

rupee?

[signal mica]

Damit

[round lake]

are we getting any new 3D models for unique armours? or nothing? and game remain uncompleted with no unique 3d models for armours?

[smoky pier]

Yeah. Pay to win. It's when the new stuff is better than the old stuff but costs money.

It's sort of like how stuff in s2 and s3 were better than prior season but you can pay for it instead.

I hear it is a popular form of revenue generation. Of course it could all just be smoke and mirrors.

Maybe ehg going to make a shit class we can pay for so we can pay to lose instead.

[viral marsh]

And you're winning what exactly?

[fair wing]

its Dammit, get it right 😂

[echo silo]

I am happy to hear that. With how many in the US have been affected by layoffs, its good EHG are not.

[signal mica]

Yes sir

[night marten]

some, yes. all, no. they make too many armors to keep up

[round lake]

i have not seen any new 3d models in last leagues

[void wolf]

The entire leaderboard system

[round lake]

there are really any new models?

[void wolf]

Trade

[molten fulcrum]

Access to a more powerful class maybe? If classes are paywalled they tend to be stronger than other classes

[round lake]

because devs told they don't making it as they don't have money for that or smh. So i guess if any armours having new 3d models or 0

[smoky pier]

This is why we need to band together for a pay to lose class

[stray vector]

i think EHG is property of chinese overlords

100%

[cobalt fable]

its always them

[viral marsh]

It won't be more power, there's several builds that 1 shot the uber abby. You can also play offline to get any item you want, it's just pay to play

[signal mica]

I wonder how many items we all own that were built in China.

[tulip orbit]

You call a game like last epoch to MAY become pay to win, and you ll win what exactly? Do you compete with someone?

[void wolf]

Yes

[smoky pier]

Some do

[void wolf]

You compete on leaderboards and potentially trade

[signal mica]

Well then you should be happy to pay for new content

[void wolf]

Boss rush races

[void wolf]

Fk no as soon as paid classes come I’m never playing again

[tulip orbit]

Do we have a leaderboard in this game that I don't know?

[signal mica]

So why even bother at all

[void wolf]

They promised when I bought the game years ago there wouldn’t be any paywalled content or p2w

[cobalt fable]

last epoch has so few waifus, i hope the whole p2w thing bring more waifus

[signal mica]

Makes no sense

My goodness

[smoky pier]

Tru. My wife promised not to use buy now pay later and then she did. I should probably divorce her

[molten fulcrum]

U know any form of trade in games leads to rmt? In last epoch's case its gold for trade faction, and if you have access to a stronger build that can push higher than the rest that will lead to every bot using it

[void wolf]

Maybe they should sell decent mtx and actually release leagues ppl want to play on a reasonable schedule

[smoky pier]

Why not both?

[cobalt fable]

you know what trade also brings: players

[signal mica]

They are young and learning.

[night marten]

LE has done a pretty good job last season to curb the bots quite a bit compared to the first two seasons

[bronze turtle]

takes time to do just like POE took 10+ years to do it

[void wolf]

PoE is even more p2w lmao

Merchant tabs are probably the single most p2w thing in any ARPG

[signal mica]

Stash is annoying in poe about it tbh for me

[thorny barn]

Okay that hiring post is kinda weird. That is literally the majority of the leadership team?

[signal mica]

I'm happy with the QoLnin Last Epoch where buying stuff from them makes it worth it for me

[signal mica]

Why I think they are working on other things, PS, Xbox and potentially a new game

[cobalt fable]

last epoch 2 lets go

[near horizon]

As Eagle has stated, they are hiring more people to put out content faster

No one has left

[signal mica]

Sure but it's more at the same time

[molten fulcrum]

I mean poe is free to download, u dont need trade to finish acts and after that new player can decide whether they like it or not and want reach endgame with trade

[thorny barn]

If you suddenly hire a lot of senior positions and leadership positions the implication is that those either have not existed or the existing ones for some reason are longer present.

[near horizon]

Not really

[night marten]

more than one person can have the same title

[near horizon]

The implication can be that they are hiring more people to put out content faster too

Yep what Eagles said

[signal mica]

Let us hope so, the seasons for all these games is kinda lame

[night marten]

they are hiring to put out more content faster (which everyone complains about)

[tulip orbit]

Or maybe a new project

[thorny barn]

More then one department lead? In over 25 years of working in some rather large organisations I never had that kind of thing happening.

[signal mica]

Mike already confirmed multiple console releases 🙂 so they have to prepare the ports or however that works

[quick snow]

you literally can't win with these people but you are still out here maintaing the rank. Respect

[smoky pier]

True. Organisations never restructure so that existing personnel get new job titles and hire more underlings

Never seen it happen

[night marten]

no. only playstation. there is no multiple

[thorny barn]

That is a dishonest argument and you know it.

[signal mica]

Yes they are not stupid

Not having it on Xbox and not preparing for it would be a major L

[muted cape]

They have two patch teams i beleive. Theres a group for current patch and a group for next patch according to a random mike dev stream ages ago, and they probably want a group so they plan two patches head

[cobalt fable]

they should move to NZ , easy to get work force there

[night marten]

there is something stopping them from doing xbox. mike was pretty tight lipped about it.

[smoky pier]

Haha. No.

Director -> Senior Director -> VP

[signal mica]

Mike said the first console release in the context that their will be multiple.

[quick snow]

maybe they want their leads to be heads, or heads to be senior, or their seniors to be executives.

[muted cape]

So we have less wait time between the high quality patches 1.0 1.2 and 1.4

[signal mica]

Nintendo then lmao

[tulip orbit]

Imagine speculating conspiracy theories about job hiring posts like companies never post such things.........

[low cradle]

I have a really really dumb idea.

Lightning dancing strike swords.

[cobalt fable]

are you kidding right? you didnt put 1.3 which was the only GOOD patch

[earnest oasis]

they have lead ai engineer covered

[low cradle]

Ye old fantasy glow sticks.

What do you think?

maces could work too

[signal mica]

Go for it

[smoky pier]

Hard sell on this troll 😉

[thorny barn]

Sorry I do not trust Krafton and for a good reason so when suddenly they hire a bunch of leadership postions at once that is in my book a very much legitimate questions. And even if you internally structure it into two teams you do not hire B suit heads for each department that makes no economic sense to do. Plenty of other studios including GGG and Blizzard or even a bunch of life service games have those kinda structures but unless you have several hundred employees such a structure makes no sense cost efficency wise.

[cobalt fable]

trolled by a mod, i feel ashamed

[signal mica]

Also preparing for a sequel or new game would be smart if they can manage it over years without taking too much from current missions

[muted cape]

I just meant the biggest patches content wise, and nope 1.4 is clearly the best in my not so biased opinion (dont look at the thing inside my vegeta :d

[smoky pier]

You might say it is the most bee-autiful patch

[quick snow]

EHG employees are not Krafton leadership xD

[low cradle]

It's relevant to know that the skills last epoch devs have developed could easily make a 3d arpg like warframe or monster hunter.

[thorny barn]

They are literally 100% owned by Krafton, so yes they are.

[low cradle]

Last epoch is for all intents and purposes a 3d game where the character can only move in 2d from hwo the physics engine works.

[signal mica]

Probably part of the deal with krafton to create a game imho just my theory

[crimson torrent]

guys i got a question. At which part of the campaign do people start skipping and go straight to monolith?

[muted cape]

Correct. Ehg does its own thing. Doesn't matter if tencent owns it or krafton

[earnest oasis]

typical skip is at lv 38 at temporal sanctum

[signal mica]

Depends on the player I always do campaign fully though may jump in if Im op

[round lake]

they don't even have money to make 3D models for uniques so idk why they even was sold to krafton... they are bancrupcs

[thorny barn]

In what fantasy world does it not matter if someone else has 100% control of a company?

[crimson torrent]

okay so once you get the waypoint then you just go to monolith then?

[low cradle]

I'm still intrigued if there's a way they can bring the fact that their game genuinely supports verticality vs POE's "stretched plane you can't walk on." into a genuine game mechanic.

[signal mica]

You would have to look at the contracts they signed

[night marten]

pretty much 0 EHG people have left since krafton bought them out. i know of one CM. other than that, mike, justin, agent, muffin, kain, karv, holly, judd...most of the big senior crew is still there

[viral marsh]

Either end of heorot(when you have all idol slots) or when you're lvl 20-30 to have the power to kill the enemies and survive.

[thorny barn]

It is a known fact that Krafton has 100% ownership that is without dispute, which means they have operational control of EHG.

[smoky pier]

Y'all need to get angrier. Eagles seems bored 😉

[earnest oasis]

you work your way into that town to get the passive point from the snake woman and in the town on the way to her is a lady who gives you a key to open the temporal sanctum door in the desert. Have to go back to her to collect her skill point once you open it.

[night marten]

istg

[signal mica]

I don't know much I play some games for a few hours a week... lol

[earnest oasis]

then you just do monoliths till you get a temporal sanctum + portal charm

[quick snow]

those things are not synonymous

[thorny barn]

Let me be clear I am not trying to dooom and gloom. I like the game otherwise I would not be here. It just was odd to see something like this that is all because it is by any reasonable industry standard unusual.

[thorny barn]

Yes they are, literally legally by definition.

[earnest oasis]

very unusal to see it advertised in discord

[quick snow]

Legally 💀

[night marten]

sure. I am just giving some other context to what you are talking about, thats all. there hasnt been any mass layoffs, they have gone from less than 100 workers last year to 120 and hiring more. this is an expansion, not a backfill

[fallow iris]

On the day that 1000 more people from the gaming industry have been sacked too

[night marten]

for w.e reason, EHG posts hiring stuff all the time in discord and their forums.

[wise forum]

I want the game to survive, but after the whole Subnautica 2 fiasco, I can't help but be worried about the future even slightest bit, yunno? I don't think that's unreasonable.

[earnest oasis]

a discord announcement is fitting for QA and other little stuff but for the entire senior staff of the company its very weird for discord

[low cradle]

Opinion dancing strieks shurikens. Bleed or crit.

[thorny barn]

That itself is not uncommon if you want to hire modders or people with in depth knowledge of the game I would even argue.

[night marten]

being worried is fine. coming in the discord everyday stating you are worried is a different thing

and some people cross that line

ALOT

[lost elk]

Kind of in the DNA of EHG to look for talent within the community, given how they started

[low cradle]

Crit gets to use shadow daggers bleed gets to use smokescreen as movmenet

[thorny barn]

Factorio did this as well and some of its now senior leadership was hired from community members for example.

[fair wing]

wait, there's a line? 😂

[signal mica]

Could be some genius levels in here

[night marten]

yeah its hard to see with how many people cross it XD

[signal mica]

I myself wanted to get into game development mostly writing and art

[low cradle]

I am factually a genie. Realisticly dumb dumb look at cat go mlem mlem

[signal mica]

Alright then

[low cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/tongue-out-cat-viralhog-bleh-mocking-gif-16677169314631534293

[fallow iris]

Lines everywhere!

[low cradle]

Look at it go mlem mlem @signal mica

[signal mica]

My goodness

[cobalt fable]

got my name from the subnautica incident too

[lost elk]

ALOT's aren't real, they can't hurt you

[cobalt fable]

glad to see fellow subanutica fans

[night marten]

omfg get off my back about my typing i know its bad

XD

[signal mica]

Favourite food for long gaming sessions, snacks, drinks? I love almonds, walnuts, dark chocolate and green, peppermint tea with honey.

[low cradle]

I need somoene to call me stupid.

I'm thinking of salt the wounds bleed shadow dagger hybrid

[quick snow]

You've adequately expelled the trolls. Well done

[sullen otter]

Nicotine

[signal mica]

Triple patched?

[night marten]

you mean i can finally PLAY MY GAME that now has me disconnected

[cobalt fable]

monster energy drink (not sponsored)

[green ore]

Hey EHG peeps, hope you're all doing well.

[thorny barn]

All other things aside though is it just me or are the different idol layots quietly a bigger feature then people give it credit for?

[signal mica]

Tea coffee for me

[night marten]

its kinda huge

[sullen otter]

Preferably lol

[signal mica]

Be safe

[low cradle]

oh damn

[cobalt fable]

is it tea or is it cofee?

[low cradle]

shadow daggers got nuked huh nvm then

[signal mica]

Not at same time haha

[low cradle]

i forgot how much it got nerfed because of umbral blades

[tender marsh]

Alongside our altars now having rolls and stats on them? This is quite the insane buff for idols. Idols are no longer little things you throw together to meet res checks and for little boosts. Idols will now be equal to weapons in terms of power they give

[cobalt fable]

alright i though some madmen invented a tea of cofee

[sullen otter]

Some builds will go absolutely bonkers with these idol buffs

[signal mica]

Also love ginger turmeric tea mixed with dandelions leaf and root

[sullen otter]

Can’t wait maaaaaan it’s gonna be so much fun with a new season finally

[signal mica]

Blackberries also a great snack

[cobalt ridge]

Caffeinated sparkling water, cheese, beef sticks, granola bars

[near horizon]

What build are you thinking of playing?

[sullen otter]

Guys pls I’m getting hungry

[signal mica]

Cheese also a good one

[near horizon]

The omen windows are a main draw for me

I love PoE breaches

[signal mica]

Beef sticks yumm

[thorny barn]

I will probably league start as mininon acolyte again like literally every other league. I have a huge soft spot for it despite it not being top tier.

[signal mica]

Bacon and chicken wraps

[cobalt ridge]

I ❤️ Aldi

[signal mica]

Same here

[low cradle]

Am I the only one who can't stop losing myself to how well the new blade dancer tree is designed.

[muted cape]

A hybrid of tea and coffee dirty Chai 😋

[sullen otter]

Zombies will have some top tier variations this season, no? At least in theory

[muted cape]

Ohh nice we are lag ago!

[near horizon]

That's cool. I'm not sure what I wanna play yet. Maybe Warpath, or Judgement? Or the new rogue skills

[hollow torrent]

I'm glad throwing is actually being added as tags in the trees now

[low cradle]

So many of her offense/defense nodes are fused

[thorny barn]

Yeah some decent buffs for sure. I am looking forward to play ALL of them.

[signal mica]

Exploding zombies is disgusting

[near horizon]

How come?

[low cradle]

She's almsot forced to be a "Human fighter" a little bit durable a little bit of damage class.

[cobalt ridge]

What sorcery is this!!

[tender marsh]

I will be having the same thing I do every LE season launch like a ritual. Beef Roast, Cornbread, Blackberry Cobbler, Hand cranked vanilla ice cream to go with the cobbler, and about 4 pre-prepped veggie smoothies for vitamins and minerals

[signal mica]

Nice

Mm cornbread sausage pie sounds good

[tender marsh]

I love the first 3 days of launch. Big chillin with good eats

[low cradle]

Wait a second.

[sullen otter]

Real excited to see how it pans out. Both puking dot zombies and the veil pop one. Not a fan of combo playstyle myself but I’m sure it’s gonna be bonkers

[low cradle]

Thinks

[thorny barn]

My biggest challenge for the new cycle is to pry myself away from Satisfactory. Because darn is that game addicitive.

[low cradle]

Thinks again

Do blade dancers tree nodes give two types of bonuses because shes the dual wield class. IS that supposed to be intentional/thematic.

[signal mica]

Never played it

[tender marsh]

I love "proc" playstyles. One skill that does 3-5 different things at once. I love chugging out the most a single skill can do by itself

[signal mica]

Satisfactory is on sale I see

[tender marsh]

comboing is for the birds

[sullen otter]

Seems like it’s the direction they are taking the game so bet you’re pretty excited

[tender marsh]

Yup. I played a Zealer in Diablo 2 with the "principle" runeword chest piece. Allowed every swing to shoot holy bolts. Laser light show that got rid of the "physical immune" ghosts for me

and because zealer has so many free skill points. I was able to actually scale the holy bolt decently

super fun

[signal mica]

I do wish more games implemented more things that Diablo II has

Many are trying

[tender marsh]

I want a extremely good "Divine bolt" unique to come to LE

[sullen otter]

This

[signal mica]

More uniques in general

[sullen otter]

I had so much fun with divine bolts but played it after LB last season so fell a bit short

[tender marsh]

I want to relive "zealer". I want to go absolutely insane with attack speed and procs

[signal mica]

A mix of frenzy barb and zealer perhaps

[inner finch]

Divine Bolt gigachads

A self aiming multi projectile healing ranged attack

That multiplies its projectiles based on enemies on screen

[signal mica]

Lol

[inner finch]

That costs nothing too

[signal mica]

Sounds like a mod

Yep

[tender marsh]

I want a Divine Bolt unique that causes Divine bolts to gain homing but now have a "pierce cap" and can loop around and hit the same target multiple times

[signal mica]

With the ability to increase map density

[tender marsh]

And put it on a very weak weapon but give it a bunch of attack speed and survivability

[night marten]

i have never made a build with these yet. i need to one day

[inner finch]

"too late" now, but it can still work

Divine Bolt in its prime broke the game

[tender marsh]

so it's not broken out the box. But if you scale it, it becomes a literal snake of light that mows thru enemies

[pastel sonnet]

Is there anything you gotta pay for in this upcoming update? Serious question btw - not sure when the new class drops

[tender marsh]

no. all seasons and every thing in them is free as long as you bought the game. The only planned content to cost money is the paradox classes

[inner finch]

Seasons dont cost money

[pastel sonnet]

Okay bet I’m hype then

[signal mica]

I mean even when the classes come out you don't need to buy them

[tender marsh]

yup

[pastel sonnet]

I was worried it was gonna be a spirit born situation

Haven’t been following the news

[signal mica]

Lock runes and mercs behind it

Or warlock and lock QoL 25 years in the making

[pastel sonnet]

😂😂

[tender marsh]

I will look at the paradox classes when they come out and if I see one I like I shall buy. I am a simple man. I see a theme I like I will play it

[pastel sonnet]

Same

[signal mica]

For sure

[pastel sonnet]

Anyways ty

[signal mica]

Bees!

[toxic wyvern]

struggle is real, have played VK mostly erasing/warpath. I kinda want some lazy build without not much APM. Was thinking of Queen/Frog some minion build :D Any ppl have ideas for lazy build supposedly UBER aberroth viable?

[sullen otter]

I have like 700+ hours in the game dor what? 25 dollars? I personally love the game so I’ll gladly pay for whatever they throw at me. But each to their own ofc

[night marten]

it really doesnt get much less apm then warpath. lol.

i guess thorns is less

[signal mica]

Abom

Maybe not

Nice see Rax posted a youtube video about LE glad he will be playing

Honestly was not expecting the Queen Bee to look like it does...

[earnest oasis]

ill ask my mom for $20 when the class comes out

[signal mica]

Lol

Price of a pizza or 2

My son spends 20-40$ .most days on food...

[earnest oasis]

id rather eat a potbelly sandwitch than play last epoch tho

[signal mica]

Ouch

Really?

[toxic wyvern]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/abyssal-echoes-void-knight-guide#video-guide-header was thinking of this

but kinda wanna see gameplay smoothnes :P

[bronze turtle]

not sure if heartseeker is uber abby viable but thats pretty smooth and smooth brain compatible

[toxic wyvern]

how is minion builds? Like Beequeen or Frogs? :)

is frogs chill?

[fallow iris]

Can't wait to play lightning blast autobomber on league launch, Again.

[quick snow]

same, dude

[restive solar]

anyone know at what time we can play tomorrow?

[fallow iris]

I can't lie, I'm going to do the same thing in PoE2 when that comes around, I just like lightning builds

there's something about it

[fallow iris]

It's not tomorrow my dude

[steel spade]

for some of us it is ig

[fallow iris]

Oh right, yeah, sorry

[restive solar]

🙂

[fallow iris]

UK brained comment from me 😄

[restive solar]

At what time the 26 😛

[quick snow]

it's everything i wanted D2 lightning mage to be

[steel spade]

u can check on last epoch site

there is timer there

[oblique lodge]

how many hours untill release? is it today ?

[restive solar]

okay thx 🙂

[steel spade]

and as for now 1 day 16h

[west ivy]

You can check the event

[vocal sonnet]

it is now xD

[fallow iris]

That's the spirit 😄

[fleet berry]

is the new season live now ? ( currently at work )

[broken siren]

OMG less than 2 days for LE S4!!! ❤️

[signal mica]

Time is going so fast

Pretty excited to play

[clear bay]

just to know, when will the Last Epoch - Primal Vanquisher Supporter Pack be removed? next season? since i still see the woven one purchasable 😅 and atm i cannot buy that

[night marten]

Each pack lasts 2 seasons. Weaver goes away in april, primal whenever s5 releases

[lethal hound]

Btw, not trying to be insensitive but right now I check discussions of steam for next patch why do people just hate the game so much (most is about paid DLC and campaign)? At least in this discord people seems mostly care about engdame builds, theorycrafting,... which is actually good in this game. There are many balancing and bugs for the builds but it is still good overall. Do stuffs like campaign actually very important in ARPG that could make people angry like that? Since for me I just view campaign as leveling stuff to reach maximum level to try new builds and minmax them to clear endgame contents like uberroth. Other discords like grim dawn is also about builds and theorycrafting too. I almost see no questions about story and campaigns in the discord of these games, so I just wonder.

[crystal sage]

When will LE be released on PS5?

[latent tinsel]

best pet builds for new season?

[lucid herald]

late 2027 it seems

[lucid herald]

vomiting volatile zombies and summon skeleton fire death knights both seem very good

technically you can play both on one build

[latent tinsel]

i played wraithlord for s1 and havent played since. is he still top tier too?

[lucid herald]

no idea

[latent tinsel]

i tried a few beast master builds but didnt like them, now i hear theres some frog build i yet to try

[signal mica]

Lot of minion builds, I'm still not sure what I'm doing, wanted to do fire minion necro, but also think a totem or storm crows build be fun on primalist.

Might just start necro try to make a decent fire build and then switch primalist after and try that and see which one I can make a fun bee build

[pale summit]

frog build was very good last I played

[crimson torrent]

guys, how dead is reflect shaman/paladin build for next season?

[tender thistle]

how much do you think the bee set will cost on league start in the bazaar?

[frank scarab]

It seems to be relatively common. I imagine you could get it pretty easy just by popping runes of ascendance.

The data mined stuff says something like an 19% chance.

[tender thistle]

alright

i'm glad

so will be pretty easy to get

is it just better on primalist?

[signal mica]

I'd say early on the set is good for any minion build but that's just me, be a great leveling set for people that do the campaign

[frank scarab]

I am not going to start out targetting bees. I am thinking I want to start the season with a static orb or glacier sorc, but I am definitely going to try to hit up a bees primalist later for those bee idols. I don't like transformation mechanics, so I will probably try for beast master.

I never liked the idea of replacing the character I made with something else in a transformation.

The alters should bee a big buff to bee idols.

[signal mica]

What is best as the set offers bleed and poison what other skills, minions, companions go with bleed and poison

[frank scarab]

I have not played in a long time, and I have not taken the time to figure that part out yet.

[signal mica]

Yeah same

[frank scarab]

All I know is that mass producing bees is cool.

[signal mica]

I figure can have upto 60% good roll on two set pieces wonder why they did that

Why not just have one or the other

[frank scarab]

I am not even sure I will shoot for the 3 peice bonus.

[signal mica]

The queen buff is what frenzy and haste? May be wrong

[frank scarab]

Maybe. I did not see that on her info, but that does not mean I know anything.

[signal mica]

So without those buffs they are slowww

I think they need a good amount of attack speed and movement speed

20% increased attack speed and cast speed with frenzy from the queen, 30% increased movement speed from haste.

The cast speed helps summon them fast, I had no idea makes sense I guess

[versed pawn]

best starting build for someone who do not have alot time to play please

[oblique root]

Does LE have challenge rewards like poe1 leagues?

[signal mica]

I mean check youtube but I always go minions, it depends what you want and what you like, I am not sure tbh, I know hammers can be used from start to finish, never done it though

[signal mica]

Not sure don't think so

[bronze turtle]

as far as im aware there are no challenge rewards, or at least ive never paid attention enough to check. same as poe 1, i always have to be reminded before the league ends to log on and claim it

[empty ingot]

Hey guys, quick questions: Was Erasing strike void knight nerfed in the past couple of cycles? Kinda skipped these past couple of cycles so I'm not sure if its still a good build or not

[frank scarab]

Erasing strike has been reworked to inscribing strike.

[late plank]

why do people say that the race to empowered is onna be shorter? youre gonna need to do 5 timelines instead of 4 before the lvl 90 timeline....

[frosty ridge]

erasing strike

[autumn briar]

ES was slightly nerfed in season 3 but was still S tier. there were no further nerfs in season 4, but gets some power creep from new idol stuff and benefits pretty well from brutality (new amulet)

[frosty ridge]

i mean it got a 20% nerf in season 3 thats like taking a drop out of the ocean

[plush garden]

Whatever happened to boardman21? He was one of the OGs

[autumn briar]

he made a brief appearance at the start of s3 but then disappeared again

[stone geode]

Hype train!!!!

[frosty oasis]

Question: Can I level up with Warlock mastery and then switch to Lich mastery? I'm new to LE

[muted cape]

last I heard he was still driving trucks

[plush garden]

he needs starlink so he can join us.

[muted cape]

yeah that's what he said awhile back i'll have to hit him up and see if he's playing in season 4

[upper current]

think EHG is replacing everybody?

[night socket]

Any playing here in south east asia? What time and date for the opening of the new season?

[autumn briar]

yeah

[bronze turtle]

need to do technically at least 3, there are 2 timelines that give 2 points each and you just need to do a minor one and you get the 5.

[frosty ridge]

yes but it gets more expensive the more you level

but still manageable

[ionic vale]

eh

so

when they say 3am friday itll finish

how likely is it to go over

cause imma wake up for 3am but i dont wanna wake up and it still be in maintenance

australian times sorry

[frosty ridge]

just wake up at a reasonable time because you never know

[late plank]

i thought the 2 pointer was from campaign

[bronze turtle]

i think for both chapters it gives a total of 2 maybe its 4 i cant remember, but they also gave i believe its lagon and the undead dragon timeline bosses 2 points as well for the people who basically never do the campaign

[late plank]

oh thats interesting

[bronze turtle]

oh was wrong its dragon boss and um

fall of the empire which i think is the void sailor undead guy?

[south marsh]

If my opinion matters I'd just wait till the weekend because the release date is set at the current day only for safety reasons for example if there is a bug that makes the game unstable they can hotfix it before the weekend

[signal mica]

I messaged him, he helped me build my first real cold minion build. Get this man a steamdeck hahahah

[south marsh]

So if you want a better overall experience it might be better to just wait 1-2 days

Just saying

[bronze turtle]

i will say, is there a reason they chose the dragon timeline boss and hartan? i feel like instead of hartan it should have been lagon since its well lagon.

[late plank]

in the screenshot, were those on the bottom right and top left? like the further reaches from the center?

Just finished my first sub 8h empowered run :3

[bronze turtle]

uh im not sure, i havent really paid attention to the screenshot. i kind of thought it was still the same layout but its just the hub is in the middle basically

[ionic vale]

THING IS

i woke up on patch "release"

two seasons in a row

and there were no problems

have i jinxed it 💀

[late plank]

Thursday night is board game night, and this is Ultra Music Festival this weekend, which my friends hangout and watch together with huge speakers.... for 3 days

worse possible timing

[frosty ridge]

im afraid you just did

[uncut osprey]

Please [Last Epoch] me daddy!

[vernal hornet]

Man. I owe a huge apology to the sound design team for this game.

I've been playing since 2018, and I just always kinda play non-diablo ARPGs with sound/music off, and gyatt DAMN does End of Time's theme go so hard.

I just wanna vibe to this all the time after work now.

[keen mica]

sound/music on is always the best way to do it

Will we be able to install the patch before launch or will we have to wait until it goes live at 11 central?

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/nxy1m5VwJX5.gif

[strange umbra]

when it goes live - due to offline, we do not pre-release our patches

[keen mica]

Gotcha

[tender marsh]

Gonna have so much fun. Gonna be going Physical Gathering Storm. With these buffs to stacks being used multiple at a time now I won't have like 700 stacks due to my attack speed being higher then the spend per second. should result in me doing way more damg due to a storm bolt going out roughly 6 per stack use

[strange umbra]

I'm going Skelly Mage Death Blossom - cant wait!

[frosty oasis]

is there any starter build for lich ? 🙁 i caant find anyone

[keen mica]

I'm gonna be a basic sentinel player and go vk crit abyssal echoes I think. Sounds fun

Idk how good it'll be as a starter tho

Farming omni

[tender marsh]

if I don't plan to use a movement skill is 140% MS good enough

[keen mica]

Should be plenty

You'll be zooming

[plain mantle]

I wonder if I can use Bees on necromancer

[strange umbra]

you can 🙂 AaronActionRPG has a video guide out already

[keen mica]

That bee set looks so sick. Cant wait to play around with it

[tender marsh]

Bee's on a necromancer? Know what this calls for?

A Mosquito MTX for bees

or tiny little bats

Dracula build?

[keen mica]

Bats would probably make more sense

[tender marsh]

bats would also allow the mtx to sell. Mosquitos are kinda fugly

[calm jay]

Little flying imps

[sleek rover]

yo i dont need to buy anything for the new patch right?

[sweet moss]

if servers are late im goign to cry

js want to let yall know thius

[sleek rover]

same

[sweet moss]

and im blaming ehg muffin

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/bZxpS.gif

[warped vine]

https://tenor.com/view/pull-the-lever-wrong-lever-wrong-lever-kronk-pull-the-lever-kronk-the-emperors-new-groove-gif-27333081

[willow sentinel]

Good morning travelers

1 day and 10 hours to go

Just enough time to change your season starter plans 60 times

[ancient surge]

60? efficient.

[spice cobalt]

Morning! Judging by the reactions on the last post it looks like the idea of employment scared quite a few people lol