💬┃general

[muted cape]

Exactly yes lol I have arthritis:d

[nimble mural]

wth 😂 now I want this

[eternal bough]

im excited for the new season. i wish it wasnt a month away lol

[muted cape]

Right? End game got leveled up

[south moat]

End game got even more corrupted

[eternal bough]

yea looks fun and i wanna try out the rogue again

[muted cape]

This def feels like a season 2 update

[eternal bough]

the gap between new stuff is just too big. they gotta figure that out

[muted cape]

Theres no way redditt can be madge we will defeat it

[nimble mural]

I already booked my days off

[south moat]

Honestly I never can make dodge based characters feel good when it comes to survivability 🤔
So I just tend to not play them

[night marten]

The devs know. They hired more people to help

[eternal bough]

yeea good move. still got high hopes for this game

[muted cape]

I see popular streamers coming back now lol... after being madge for months hehe 😜

[strange umbra]

and we're still hiring 🙂
https://job-boards.greenhouse.io/eleventhhourgames

[night marten]

Of course. Business decision

[eternal bough]

i wish i have experience in video game creation id apply 😄

[muted cape]

Still waiting on the coffee fetcher position for years!

[night marten]

Bruh i applied and got an insta no later that day. Tho that position was filled (I also have no skills for the jobs currently up)

[strange umbra]

rofl

[muted cape]

Wait.. muffin is a chef grrr

Ok fine! Janitor it is

[strange umbra]

lol

[south moat]

I have worked for a game company in the past
Not something I'd go for again right away tbh

[night marten]

Game dev def isnt a 'stable' job

Esp today

[strange umbra]

I personally love EHG - i've worked at Curse/Twitch, Blizzard, and now EHG for almost 3yrs and I love it here 🙂

(among many other non gaming corp jobs)

[brazen wing]

Does EHG need any ski centre workers

[eternal bough]

wish you all the best

[strange umbra]

coming up on my 3yr mark feels surreal

[muted cape]

Ask Judd to put in a good word for us lol

[eternal bough]

hopefully the pay for the new class gets sorted out 🤣🤣

[muted cape]

Conclusion? Beastmaster and falconeer still better probs heh 🤪

[south moat]

Honestly I'd take my old job at the hospital back if they called me
But it's unlikely

[muted cape]

New class wont possibly do a billion dps

[south moat]

No billions of dps?
why even buy smh

[maiden stag]

at least 3 😉

[eternal bough]

yeah but thatst the biggest critic... game becomes pay to win

[muted cape]

Ill tell them to limit damage to 50million

[willow sentinel]

Necro mage Hungering souls ignite go brrrrrr

[muted cape]

Like theres so many more builds this game is crazy

[eternal bough]

Paladin gonna be still strong haha

what i want is what poe2 have.. some combo skills

[muted cape]

Ohh u want divine lance eh?

[eternal bough]

i think that makes ARPG's evolve

get away from 1 button skills so much

[south moat]

Yes

[muted cape]

https://tenor.com/view/lancer-fate-fight-ubw-archer-gif-20731832

[south moat]

Tbh I don't really like combo skills too much
I want to mostly press one button
and then at times use others to buff

or movement

[muted cape]

So like holy javelin?

[eternal bough]

thats fair. i just think for ARPGS to move forward the 1 skill button needs to go away.

[muted cape]

Small cd and do other stuff

[eternal bough]

love arpgs been playing since d2 but i get so bored after a time using the same skill over and over and over again

[south moat]

A lot of it does come to it just being more beneficial to concentrate on 1 or 2 skills for dmg and having other skills be more supportive
Gearing for example affects this
In LE you can only really get a lot of the + lvls to 1 skill for it to become way higher than the others
And ofc it makes sense that this should be your damage skill

Actually in Grim Dawn a lot of builds aren't 1 skill button builds

[eternal bough]

head great things. havent tried the game yet

[kind harbor]

GD is the goat

[south moat]

It's one of my favorite games to be honest

But it's a bit slow paced and there's a lot of reading if you want to understand the lore

[gloomy gorge]

meanwhile me with my thorns reflect build: "do you guys even use buttons?"

[calm zodiac]

Man

I think reddit got lobotomized or something

ppl complaining about "oh its just killing monsters in a circle"

poe just had a literal entire season of killing monsters in a circle too???????????????

[dusky dirge]

its reddit, expected nothing less

[south moat]

I thought killing monsters in a circle was the favorite thing of arpg players?

[calm zodiac]

Ikr, we love killing monsters in a circle

[south moat]

I know I do
Way more than having to go a designated area for the mechanic that only has that

Sure, you have to stop going fast for a little while
but it doesn't take you completely out of the experience

... Or isn't a tower defense

[calm zodiac]

I mean even diablo 4 now with that new killstreak thing

[muted cape]

The mechanic looks simple, fun, and to the point.

[calm zodiac]

Well, "new"

its also killing monsters in a circle lol

[maiden stag]

copied from 3 maybe ? 😉

[calm zodiac]

yeah yeah

where we'd pick a demon hunter... and shoot arrows... in a circle... to kill the monsters

[frank bane]

top review on steam is saying the DLC character is gonna be $30. any truth to this?

[south moat]

no

[frank bane]

lmao

figures

[calm zodiac]

I just paid 40 for a DLC character in diablo 2

[south moat]

We don't know the price of it yet
And I'm 100% sure they wouldn't set it to 30 when the base game is 30

[frank bane]

yo that's crazy

[calm zodiac]

Its how much it cost on steam

just look

[south moat]

Would've been 25 if you bought on blizzard (if you already have d2r)

[frank bane]

I guess it's fine when blizzard does it xd

[calm zodiac]

would it sound too crazy if i told you i also do have it there

but... well steam better 😄

[south moat]

Honestly, I do have it on blizzard launcher (not the warlock) but I might buy the warlock on steam because I reaally don't like having multiple launchers
But I'm not in any rush to play it (and don't have the money currently either)

[calm zodiac]

Technically i didnt exactly buy it

my birthday was 3 days after it came out on steam

[south moat]

People are... somehow way more willing to deal with blizzard having terrible pricing on stuff than other companies
Sure, they make fancy looking cosmetics & cutscenes

[calm zodiac]

and i got it as a gift

[south moat]

Ah, fair enough

[calm zodiac]

But if i told you i'd not have eventually got it myself otherwise id be lying lol

[kind harbor]

because blizzard caters to casuals, with families and jobs

[south moat]

Ah, the "i'm a dad of 10 kids, I work 4 jobs and have 15 minutes of free time / a month"

[kind harbor]

yes

and they make money

[calm zodiac]

i'll say, even then i never really understood that argument over there

specially if you have so little time to play

imagine using something so precious on diablo 4

lol

[south moat]

Honestly
I wouldn't even play anything at that point

[kind harbor]

at some point I started to understand it

it comes with age

[south moat]

A lot of things come with age

[maiden stag]

issue´s ... many many issue´s come with age...

[kind harbor]

it's the same with sport games

you have some free time, play for a bit and that's it

[calm zodiac]

Thats not the point, its more like

choosing a bad sports game on your own

the issue is not playing the sports game in itself lol

[south moat]

And it's fine for a game to provide service to those kinds of people
But those people shouldn't come to other games and demand "THIS GAME DOESN'T RESPECT MY TIME"

[kind harbor]

why?

[kind harbor]

it works both ways

[inner finch]

Falconer buffs, ive heard

[south moat]

Yeah, falcon now drops bears that do earthquake

[inner finch]

[south moat]

I also don't think a game should allow you to buy every part of character progression
or new weapons etc with real money

[kind harbor]

you don't have to do that

[calm zodiac]

Now that i think about it

Now that we have those idol slot changing thingies

we wont have to do sidequests anymore right?

[south moat]

It's very easy for the companies to directly nerf drop rates of gear because they sell it for real money.

Or make it harder to obtain through legit means

[kind harbor]

then you don't play games like these

but right now D4 has better reviews than LE

[south moat]

Yeah look I don't care what kind of reviews D4 has
I don't like that game, I think it's terrible

Sure, they could pay me enough to make me write a good review

[calm zodiac]

@turbid silo Hey pinging cause i saw you answering things earlier, is my understanding correct?

[maiden stag]

i played it one season .. every char too 100.. that was good enough for me.. but that was it with d4 for me

[willow sentinel]

You will still.have to do quests to unlock idols. Slots

[kind harbor]

the harsh truth is everyone says D4 bad but everyone wish their game made money like D4 does

[calm zodiac]

But you equip the thing and it change the slots

thats confusing

[willow sentinel]

Yup

[turbid silo]

Yeap

[willow sentinel]

And if they are not unlocked, the slots are not unlocked

[willow sentinel]

Wait what?
Corrupted altars will bypass the idols slots lock?

[calm zodiac]

hihihihihi

[turbid silo]

No noo

I thought he was asking if I were answering things heh

What's the question

[willow sentinel]

Ah

Do you still need to unlock idols slots when using corrupted altars?

[calm zodiac]

Oh the question was if equipping one of those new altars would unlock the slots without having to do the quests

because honestly thats my biggest gripe with the campaign

[coarse swallow]

No, idol slot unlocks are still required

[turbid silo]

^

I saw Kain typing and figured I'd let him send his message cause I had a hunch it was an answer

[calm zodiac]

Gotcha gotcha

[coarse swallow]

Kain typing? Either an answer or promoting bees.

[turbid silo]

BEES!

[calm zodiac]

Well fair enough, i was hoping that would be a skip for those

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/bTryN.gif

[tidal laurel]

just saw the trailer, and I got a potentially dumb question:
what are echo chains?

[south moat]

Or maybe to link the Initial E video

[turbid silo]

Echo Chains are a set of Echoes "chained" together. They feature a unique encounter in each and culminate with a large version of the encounter. In the trailer, it shows an Omen Window chain and it ends with an Omen Champion Window Echo

[coarse swallow]

To add for further info: https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/looking-ahead-in-last-epoch/80230#echo-chains-8

[south moat]

I hope they also give good stability

[tidal laurel]

neat!

Definitely looking forward to it!

[calm zodiac]

So similar to the evolving beast but in map form if i understood correctly

[tidal laurel]

I just hope I'm in the minority of being drawn into Crimson Desert a week before this drops ^^;

[turbid silo]

Kinda, but not really. Each Echo doesn't evolve except the final one.

[south moat]

I know you're not the only one
because I've seen at least one other talk about it here

[sharp path]

when a new season releases, what happens to uniques and such of previous season?

[south moat]

if they get balance changes it will affect all versions of it

[tidal laurel]

oh, of that I have no doubt

Just hope I'm in the minority, not the majority which it looks like is a distinct possibility because it means the majority of the usual audience will be here instead of playing Crimson Desert.

I'm gonna try to split my time between both when I can once this drops

[woven harness]

I bought Crimson Desert, but will put it down on the 26th. This patch looks really good

[willow sentinel]

Derrick breaking my heart

[south moat]

Shame

But I guess it would go against the normal dmg types sentinel has

[turbid silo]

Sowwe!

[zinc blaze]

sentinel is truly allergic to cold damage

[inner finch]

Love the art on Ash Wake, love it

More items that look like this, please

[south moat]

Aren't we all?

[zinc blaze]

idk about u but I'm not

gimmie the -40 degree weather

[south moat]

Alas
These days I get the flu way too easily
I still enjoy weather between -20 to -30C

[upbeat folio]

Guys, few things about corruption are unclear to me. Does the rune require forging potential or not? I guess not? Can you brick an item by corrupting?

[south moat]

You can make an item unequippable by corrupting (but it's a rare outcome)

I don't remember if it requires FP or no.

Mike has answered it in #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs

[south moat]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message
"Yes, you can use a rune of corruption on an item with 0 forging potential"

[upbeat folio]

gr8, thanks!

[heady night]

Probably a unique that does change its just not shown yet

Have hope!

[olive horizon]

Ah please be a good update i need another arpg besides d4

[muted cape]

Dev stream soon? 😱

[inner finch]

Also - double ring set warms my heart

More please

[coarse swallow]

There is something warm and fuzzy feeling about a set matching with paired slots

[inner finch]

Warms my Diablo heart

Id like to see more of them not just as sets, but as viable endgame items we can wear

[gray dagger]

new LE season looks very good, that trailer was awesome lol

[haughty coral]

It looks aight, I'll give it a crack

[turbid silo]

Two teasers shared on the Dev Q&A stream!

[bronze turtle]

those look pretty fun

[inner finch]

Keep em comin

Love mechanics altering uniques

[turbid silo]

Another unique update shared on the Dev Q&A Stream

[nimble mural]

Skeleton buff

[indigo wolf]

hype hype hype

[inner finch]

Lots and lots of minion stuff hhuh

[last crane]

EHG likes minions. right?

[karmic prairie]

judging from their necromancer "rework" not really

jk minion have been op for 6 years

[inner finch]

This is a question with a very complicated answer

[karmic prairie]

ballista and abom still 2 best builds in the game with 0 competion tbh for corruption pushing at least

for bossing at least we have like 10+ broken builds

[last crane]

was this loot filter screenshot not a teaser?

[turbid silo]

Oh yeah, let me add it 🙂

Filter updates!

[last crane]

Perfect, thanks!

[inner finch]

Fire fire!

[turbid silo]

Updates to Logi's Hunger!

[inner finch]

EHG wants us to play minion builds on S4

[signal mica]

They have the best minions so makes sense

[maiden stag]

yeah looks like

[brave yoke]

hope theres bigger changes after how long its been

[signal mica]

For sure feels like forever and still another month

[maiden stag]

yeah 184 days feels forever.

[inner finch]

I will not play minion builds in S4, too bad

[spark shale]

Was reign of winter updated? Was away for a while

[turbid silo]

Bane of Winter is being updated in Season 4

(see teaser above)

[dusky dirge]

i just hope i can play the game again in s4, in s3 i got unplayable lags after around 30 minutes of running monos

[spark shale]

No I mean the bow 😅

I've been waiting for so long for it to be updated.

[turbid silo]

Updates to Ravens' Rise!

[nimble mural]

guess im playing minions

[olive horizon]

New rogue abilities make me happy, I havent made it to endgame more than once just because I can't find another playstyle I like. Plus campaign is a bit of a drag doing again, these portals might help.

[steel bear]

We didn't have a mid season reset did we ?

[nimble mural]

nope

[steel bear]

Thank you

[turbid silo]

Final teaser of the day! Wings of Discord update!

[heady night]

thank you thank you

now time for me to do my part muhahaha!

was the loot filter update for loot filter or merchants guilds?

[north pond]

is this for Bazaar search only or lootfilter too?

[heady night]

i forgot

[carmine arch]

Noob question but would this be worth taking over evolutions end?

Might want to try minions

[turbid silo]

Bazaar

[turbid silo]

Only one way to find out! 🙂

[night marten]

if its fire minions, yeah prolly. you get it a lot later tho

[heady night]

dang just realized merchants guild is going to be fun this season with people seeking corruption stuff

[karmic rover]

I’m hoping that Last Epoch will come to Xbox 🙂

[night marten]

maybe one day

[ionic vale]

are there any confirmed loot filter stuff coming day 1?

just wondering if i cook loot filters pre or post season 4 launch thats all

[sturdy acorn]

question @turbid silo what do you guys think about allowing us poor souls to skip the tutorial on new characters?

and I am not talking about the popups, but the tutorial starter area

[simple bison]

There isn't really one?

[night marten]

yes we know there are new corruption filters and stuff. mike said on stream today. and i think i remember some other changes that were teased a while ago.

nothing you do filter wise today is going to be 100% correct on launch. but you can get most of it set up, but it will need tweaked

[oblique plume]

when primalist reworked skills

swipe

lol

[limpid lake]

excited for the new patch, just watched the trailer. Are Rogues the only ones getting new skills or will other classes be getting some too? i know it's a lot of work so i'm happy either way

[main frigate]

Twitch. Blizzard.

Make sense why Judd hired you

Everyone know more famous the company is, harder to be entered this company to work

🙏 Your guys are too amazing on working experiences

[strange umbra]

honestly it was my personal project on a WoW Auction House addon that had the most impact on getting hired at EHG

its why one of the 1st things I did was write the backend/DB stuff for the Bazaar

[main frigate]

I miss your work perfectly hhhhh

Because I play cof all the time...

MG mean I must start my journey from zero

🤔 Not sure if 1.4 is the new season worth me to play le from zero

One month I need at least if start from zero because I'm not sure how much playtime can I have per day

[night marten]

just rogue this patch. next season is paladin

[limpid lake]

The rogue skills look awesome, i love the whole shadow clone builds

[night marten]

yeah, the new shadow set looks really good too

[tough terrace]

is there a list of all new items somewhere?

[night marten]

i dont think so. doesnt look like the forum post has been updated with today's teasers. or the trailer.

can try looking in #🎥┃video-shoutout and see if someone has made a video for it

[ionic vale]

yeh no probs

its second hand nature atp

im going two chars this season. league starter beastmaster, probs frogs

and build for zhp ballista

[night marten]

not touching any of the new stuff eh?

[ionic vale]

blade dancer ehhhh

and what was the other skill

[night marten]

shadow rend and bladestorm for rogue

[zinc crest]

I mean we barely know anything about the new stuff yet, hard to plan around it

[ionic vale]

ik both skills are base rogue

but bladestorm probs has to do with a blade dancer build no

or melee

atleast

and i ceebs for melee

[tough terrace]

sad, ty

[night marten]

sure, but not trying them out or looking at them at all seems weird. at least to me anyways, part of the fun of new seasons is to try new builds

[ionic vale]

yeh leveling build no probs

[night marten]

bladestorm looked pretty ranged in the trailer? might scale off melee but it def wasnt melee range

[ionic vale]

we'll see

its an existing node in umbral blades

so i imagine falc builds will change somewhat

[night marten]

good

[ionic vale]

ive never played falc tho xD

i really wanted to play something busted this season lol

[night marten]

then play falcon XD

its only been op since launch 2 seasons ago

[night marten]

its just really hard to make a list of items that still could change since its not actually released yet, ya know? nothing is set in stone until we see the patch notes

[tough terrace]

oh yea for sure

i was just trying to be lazy 🫠

[sharp path]

Why are my windows getting invaded, wth

(you know, Omen Windows)

[main frigate]

EHG have sync something like pervious hype week, patch notes, announcements and trailers on xiaoheihe but they're not upload something as frequently as reddit and the own forum so it's still EN-based community @simple bison

🤔 They have Chinese translation team but I guess they work on translations in official in-game versions mainly. Still lack of maintenance of community obviously

They depend on Krafton, I suppose they should have more resources for developing communities in different languages now.

[main frigate]

Semi-Chinese/bot-Chinese is why I think many games will force players to learn English

One of exclusive features of indie games (it's make sense because indie games usually doesn't have enough money for localization)

[south moat]

It's very expensive to make a good localization that's actually consistent and also is kept up to date when new content comes out or changes are made

And you can't just use stuff like google translate for it

[main frigate]

hah there's an interesting point. AI translation VS human translation

[south moat]

Like sure, you might get a sentence that's technically correct
but uses a wrong word here or there
or stuff that doesn't make sense

And it gets worse if the other language has different structure of sentence

[obtuse bay]

what about chinese to english translate
https://www.tiktok.com/@chinesewithmegan/video/7289390168182705441?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

no translate is better than bad translate

[south moat]

Or like let's say you want to talk about the weight of something and it's light weight
but you end up using the other word that it can be
instantly it just makes no sense

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[south moat]

Agreed

[main frigate]

lol maybe no other skin colours in China (Chinese only) so they don't know how to translate

But international people usually live in communities which form of the white, the black etc so it's a culture barrier

[obtuse bay]

even with barrier, you are with us, this is what matters

and for nub and others

we can learn so many things here

If we had local language, we mostly would chat with local people

necessity of english is good in this way

[south moat]

Eh I wouldn't be using Finnish here
I wouldn't be at a global thing to just chat with other Finns

[obtuse bay]

what If there was finnish channel

[south moat]

Nah

[obtuse bay]

devs could create channels for each languages in the game but they need mods

[obtuse bay]

I forgot we are chatting in general lol

hello deradikon

[balmy arrow]

Halo

[obtuse bay]

we need lizard language in the game

only lizard gang members can understand this language

|| join the gang or we will steal your loot ||

[south moat]

Go ahead, it's yours
It was never mine to begin with

[obtuse bay]

|| then why you clicked on this? you wanted this, you are the chosen one, nub, join us ||

[balmy arrow]

🫂 🤘

[tender marsh]

Just watched the trailer. Seems neat

[native haven]

Is the update gonna cost monie?

money

[tender marsh]

no. it's just a standard seasonal reset

[south moat]

Yeah it's a free update

[strange umbra]

[south moat]

gm muffin man

[strange umbra]

hiya nub

[tender marsh]

hope there's more "idol altar" variants then what was shown. I use 4 2x2 idols. and not a single variant in that quick tease of them had "corrupted tiles" that also fit 4 2x2 idols

and all 4 2x2's are mandatory

[south moat]

if I'm not mistaken the purple slots in the variants boost the idols that hit those
so maybe you could still get away with less than 4 of those

[carmine smelt]

there is one

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/copy?gid=2069026663#gid=2069026663 I put em all in a spreadsheet

first one fits 4x 2x2s

[strange umbra]

also lots of unknown info about them - so things may or may not be as mandatory in 1.4 🙂

you'll have to wait and see during hype week! 😉

[tender marsh]

yeah my build is very weird but fun at the same time. I use a harmony of the first one alongside 4 aftershock idols too make what I call the "DoT Quaker". Extremely unique and fun

[south moat]

But I don't wanna wait

[tender marsh]

that link doesn't work for me

[strange umbra]

you can fit 4x 2x2 and 4x 1x1

[tender marsh]

ohhhhh HELL YEAH

[strange umbra]

😉

[tender marsh]

it's time to make the world tremble with the might of my quicksand

[strange umbra]

rofl

[tender marsh]

got it to corruption 1216 this season. Gonna go for 1600 next one

[south moat]

I wonder how much rng there is to getting the right layout you want 🤔

[tender marsh]

never got my LP4 harmony. But maybe next season

[south moat]

I've a 3LP spoon but I haven't got a good wand to slam it with
so it's just sitting in my stash

[carmine smelt]

got a planner? I am curious

[tender marsh]

wonder what the "corrupted tiles" in the idol layout will actually do. Like will my "38% to cast a aftershock on a nearby enemy on melee attack" increase in percent chance for double procs? will it convert it to fire damg? so many possibilities

[tender marsh]

Not anymore. It was on my old computer from like 2 months ago. Got a new one because the old one went the way of the dodo. It's why I stopped playing. Because i'll have too build it back up

it was jank as hell and unoptimized. that's why I know I can go for corruption 1600 next season

Extremely damn fun and satisfying to play tho

[carmine smelt]

Surprised you made it that far with an unoptimized harmony build, that's a tough item to build around properly, must have been a pretty spicy setup

[tender marsh]

yeah at least the "beta" stage of testing is done. The second I yoink a harmony I can instantly start where I left off

[carmine smelt]

2T7?

[tender marsh]

yeah

physical damage and atkspd

went beastmaster for the massive amount of "free stats" it gives too make up for the fact harmony makes you use a bunch of blues

with the aspects

and then 15 points in shaman too unlock earthquake

[karmic prairie]

but you can already do that, the ss you linked allows 4x1 2 times and 1x3 which was impossible

[obtuse bay]

idol sluts are like puzzles with different possibilities 🙂

[karmic prairie]

pretty much any other combination besides 3x 4x1 and what i mentioned was already possible

[obtuse bay]

I want to see damage after having these changes

If they haven't nerfed some gears, people can go over 1k corruption easier in s4

[balmy arrow]

I don't think there are any major difficulties this season either

[obtuse bay]

no megalizard 😞

but I can play rogue for trying new skills

[balmy arrow]

skin for abomination

[balmy arrow]

Yes now I also want to try a new skill

[obtuse bay]

Prepare for trouble! And make it double!

[south moat]

But we can have a megawizard

Who might or might not be a lizard

[obtuse bay]

🎩

👚 🪄
🩳
megawizard

[strange umbra]

I know - The guy I was responding to said that none of the new ones you could do that to and I was just showing him one of the new ones that you actually could

[carmine smelt]

4x 4x1 or 4x 1x4 too

[karmic prairie]

doubt they would allow it

[carmine smelt]

wym we've already seen layouts for those

unless the purple things have some weird mechanic that prevents it

[karmic prairie]

was there 4 grand? i wasnt looking at all of them

[dull topaz]

Yeah I was just looking at that 4x2 on each side with 3 purps

assumed the purps allowed singles

[karmic prairie]

no

purple is the moved tile

[dull topaz]

Weird cos at 36 seconds in the bro sticks a 1x3 right over a purple

[carmine smelt]

there are two layouts with 2 4x2 grids

one vertical one horizontal

[stray glen]

The purple slot generates some kind of special effect we still don't know about.

[carmine smelt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1qxxv2y/last_epoch_dev_stream_teasers_good_corruption/ here

[tender marsh]

it's more then just the "moved tile" it's a corrupted tile. You can see in the trailer someone puts a idol into it and their idol "corrupts" so it will also have some type of effect on your idol you slot into it

[stray glen]

Crazy thing 2x Huge and 2x Ornate Idols, all of them corrupted by the purple slot.

[karmic prairie]

120% profein veil duration incoming kekg

[carmine smelt]

4x frost claw pls

still bad tho 🙁

[karmic prairie]

causse mage is trash

[carmine smelt]

true, we need giga buffs

[raw cosmos]

I havent played thise season 3 at all

any build recomendations to kill uber aberroth? and should I go COF ou MG

[karmic prairie]

play a decent build like abom for once

[carmine smelt]

LOL bruh you trolling

[karmic prairie]

nope

its actually s good

[carmine smelt]

I'll take my LB over Abom any day

that clunk

[karmic prairie]

my fav build of 1.3

[carmine smelt]

not for me

[karmic prairie]

full screen 1mil crits

xddd

uber 40 se

[carmine smelt]

wat?

[karmic prairie]

max block

[carmine smelt]

does it explode or something

[karmic prairie]

just double strike

[carmine smelt]

why is it full screen though

[karmic prairie]

aoe minio affix

gloves+amu

the new one

[carmine smelt]

is it bugged or something I can get AoE too and my meteor is still smol

[karmic prairie]

nah it just alreadyhad big aoe

cause game had no minion aoe before

xdd

[carmine smelt]

damn I didn't see the good clear abom, everyone was saying it was slow

[silent pivot]

I've never seen abomination clear fast either, every video looks roughly the same clearspeed as bear beastmaster, aka slow

[main frigate]

🤔 it's more than 7 types of idol altars?

[carmine smelt]

I think we've seen 8 so far 🤔

at least 8 anyway, maybe more I missed

[main frigate]

#📚┃off-topic message
Alright then my guessing start to go wrong

[carmine smelt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1qxxv2y/last_epoch_dev_stream_teasers_good_corruption/#lightbox there are 8 here, I think the ones we saw in the trailer were the same iirc

[main frigate]

maybe no relationship between horn colours and available altars

[silent pivot]

I'm pretty sure there's at least one that was shown earlier, but wasn't in the trailer

oh hm, maybe not

[carmine smelt]

I just checked, the trailer shows the same 8 we saw before

wait a minute, the trailer shows a 2x2 adorned idol that currently can't drop

[silent pivot]

I saved a video someone uploaded earlier, when they were first revealed; and it does show 9, but one of them is a repeat 🙃

[carmine smelt]

a normal adorned silver idol

which is exclusive to throne of ambition unique right now

[silent pivot]

happens, they generate items using dev tools for videos all the time

[carmine smelt]

yea probably placeholder, but if so, that means its something new still

could be corrupt

[willow sentinel]

There is also a 1x3 "shattered" Acolyte idol

[muted cape]

im so hyped LOL

home boy aaron had some base takes today too

[silent pivot]

34 more sleeps until season 4

[muted cape]

yeah got some more games to tide me over like resident evil and such

but once season 4 hits im gonna lock in speed run to abby then chill.

[main frigate]

I can't chill in this game because I'll become aggresive again and want to compare my process with other pros

Maybe I just don't feel safe

[muted cape]

I wouldn't worry about that much, i'm, not a pro either 😄

just have fun, and enjoy the game how you wish to play 🙂

[glacial crow]

anyone down to smoke and play

[simple bison]

Comparison is the thief of joy, for pretty much everyone there'll always be someone above them in the leaderboards/that has better gear or more corruption

[sturdy acorn]

exactly, yet those 5 minutes annoy me every single time xD

[worn geode]

Hi anyone can help please to level up ? im new

[lunar garden]

Happy Birthday Last Epoch

[north belfry]

Happy Birthday indeed 🥳

[main frigate]

One more day before le's birthday

[neat sorrel]

Im not sure what i want to think about them introduced paid content tho. Beeg no no usually.

[rancid pulsar]

#👥┃lfg 👍

[willow sentinel]

You still have at least until the end of the year to see it

Feel like you still have plenty of time to play before quiting the game

[willow sentinel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008691671871016960/1474539138366836881/image.png?ex=699a3716&is=6998e596&hm=1b8232067d99c1e48b33162537d7154446eef45c40feba6a21fc9d374c51f999&
Somehow @simple bison keep getting buffed

[south moat]

He can't keep getting away with it

[simple bison]

I stopped using it tbf

but I might go back now :P

[willow sentinel]

Oh really?

What's your body armor and your primo then?

[simple bison]

more damage

[merry abyss]

i love it for heartseeker aswell 🙂

[willow sentinel]

The belt?

The Frenzy non functioning belt?

[simple bison]

well it was confirmed fixed in season 4

[willow sentinel]

Ah but you are already planning for s4
But in s3 you used wing of Discord right?

[simple bison]

yea

[main frigate]

I still want to complete heartseeker + cinder strike combo (burning daggers), but I'm not sure any relevant updates in 1.4

if burnning daggers can trigger with or chain with these 2 new rogue skills, how to make it work

EHG spoiler nothing

[willow sentinel]

Dirty CT abuser 😏

[simple bison]

nah they confirmed it somewhere publically

think reddit

[main frigate]

I want to know any updates for marksman's passive tree too...

My burning daggers marksman is uncompleted so I want to make it done at first

Oh. Maybe still need to use that classic dragonsong bow

I feel these 2 new rogue skills are for bladedancer builds more

[exotic solar]

I live and breathe this

Marksman passive tree so bad

[merry abyss]

im waiting for the wildfire buff

[merry abyss]

why is it bad? MM has so many strong nodes

mm is not bad because of its passive tree

[exotic solar]

Compared to other classes not many strong nodes or nodes are very limited on what they provide

Many nodes are outdated and boring too

[south moat]

I'm sure MM gets some changes too
just not skill changes

[merry abyss]

Marksman or rogues are limited because of missing skills or skill synergies.

[exotic solar]

I hope they just remove that elemental arrow part

[main frigate]

what wildfire is...I forget

[south moat]

the ignite spread amulet

[south moat]

Yeah I've to admit they don't feel very good

[willow sentinel]

They are a lot of dmg for rain of Arrow

[merry abyss]

I agree that the gameplay around elemental arrows doesnt feel good, but the nodes are very strong for HoA/DA and channel flurry

[exotic solar]

Because they are designed for rain of arrows

[polar hamlet]

will there be a ptr before the season drops?

[main frigate]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/search?query=wildfire&in_description=1&exact_match=0
OoO Never use that, looks cool

[simple bison]

not a public one no

[exotic solar]

And someone in dev team loves that build since 2021 because its still there

[merry abyss]

The Rain of Arrow passive is the most useless passive node in the tree. I hope they will rework it to somehow synergize with HoA itself

[willow sentinel]

That's my bad, I mentioned rain of Arrow instead of hail of Arrow

[merry abyss]

No problem, people often confuse the two 😉

[willow sentinel]

But yeah, RoA is so weird

[main frigate]

Do wildfire amulet suitable for burning daggers? It's a skill combo base on fire damage so maybe more ignite chance and more fire penetration will help

[willow sentinel]

HoA is quite strong but I didn't enjoy playing it

[south moat]

I wouldn't recommend wildfire amulet at all

[exotic solar]

Marksmans is specilized on attack speed and her signature skill is detonating arrow which is bottlenecked by mana regen...

[merry abyss]

i wanted to mix it with HS and dagger procs to stack ignite

[exotic solar]

Since 2021

And people think i am overreacting

God i am so salty on marksman

[merry abyss]

the new rogue set looks promising though and could make the playstyle less clunky

[exotic solar]

Its a great league start set

[willow sentinel]

Correct
Will have to see

[exotic solar]

Flat glancing blow is awsome, that set can be paired with shield and you would still cap your glancing blow

Glancing blow+high block should be juicy

[south moat]

Honestly I didn't check the set well enough yet
like what it gives

[exotic solar]

I cant post pictures

Depending on snap shotting rules, Scissor of atropos could be BIS

[main frigate]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWkDvp9Q
My marksman build is weak at defence, I wonder what I can do to improve else... I max my offence already

[slow cloud]

Marksman, Level 99

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (74) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,234, Regen: 245.82/s
▸ Mana: 134.62, Regen: 8.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 101 Dex / 3 Int / 3 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 123% / 77% / 74% / 86% / 58% / 113% / 89%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 55%, Threshold: 514
▸ Dodge Chance: 29% (1007)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,885)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 107%

Used skills:

Shift / Shurikens / Heartseeker / Cinder Strike / Smoke Bomb

[main frigate]

🤔 Not my business if EHG just update 2 new rogue skills

[merry abyss]

Best defense advice for marksman...alot of movementspeed and wasd 😉

[south moat]

They are making more changes than just 2 new.

[exotic solar]

Apart from more hp, there is not much room tbh

[main frigate]

Not lots of shift and movement speed ?

[exotic solar]

I would go no bonus HP/ endurance tresh hold and wall of nothing body and seed of ekiddrasil with ward retention treshold

Necrotic rings

[merry abyss]

i think traversal smoke bomb is better than Shift these days. The extra armour from shift/shuriken combo doesnt do much at higher corruption when you get oneshot anyways. But the free dodge from constant silver shroud sustain can save you

[main frigate]

🤔 So it mean I need... Wait how to get more affix slots on a item? Current runes can upgrade affix tiers only

Set affixes doesn't make sense for me

[acoustic palm]

Woo, I saw the trailer and we finally have the technology to kill things in circle, :pog:

I'm really excited about breach and about RF boots, and no walls too.

Never been a fan of lossing my gear to corruption, so theres that

Yet, for a 8 month league, I was expecting a bit more, hopefully they will make up for the little content with bug fixing, AI, sound and end game overhaul

[wispy sedge]

I dont understand why people complain about this. EHG is NOT blizzard. If they pump content once a year that fine. blizzard does a few times a year and you have to pay for every bit of it. NOT with EHG. Last epoch is exactly what it is Last Epoch not diablo not anything else. EHG is the company it is. NOT blizzard. the sooner we take games for what they are vs what they arent the more this company is going to succeed. Keep doing your thing EHG. cry babies are cry regardless.

[acoustic palm]

People are allowed to voice their complains for a paid product aren't we? Last league people already voted with their wallet and if company had to be sold so stay afloat. With a peak of 88k, that died out ot 10k in day 3. People expect content, cry babies feed your game.

[south moat]

Also if they put out content only once / year (which they haven't done so far) they're not going to get people paying to keep the studio up

[acoustic palm]

LE isn't blizzard, Diablo makes more money via MTX than LE does

And right now LE needs more players thats the truth.

[fathom crest]

it never stops

[vital sonnet]

Random guy here, i think a lot of us really do want the game to succeed but it just isn't in the best spot right now, it's in a self destructive cycle right now, long waits reduces players, reduced players causes long waits due to less income, the only thing we can really do is hope they can find a good solution for both problems.

[quartz ivy]

i feel ya. but think of it this way. it took time for the season because of the swap over. now the game has serious money behind it and it also has a lot more hands on deck to make this content. as players we need a good launch to s4 to drag people back in, and i think thell be able to do that

[night marten]

They have hired people but a lot of that was during s4 development..so they havent really worked on all of s4 together. S4 does need to be good and you should see improvement (esp with no direct competition the week of) But a majority of the returns from hiring will be felt in s5

[karmic prairie]

There is only one vicious cycle le monetization is noy profitable = less income=less resources=worse monetization. Their mtx really flopped firstly due to goofy artstyle of body armors, secondly cause devs refuse to look at meta and thinking that if they make serpent strike mtx everyone will be pogging out when in reality nobody plays it. Do we have acid flask mtx? Abomination? Ballistad? Summon bear?

Bad decisions after bad decisions

[quartz ivy]

ill take that!

[vital sonnet]

While I've read both pings directed to me i honestly have no good responses to either as it's 7:40am with no sleep tonight, but hope it provides some solace in the fact i read them I'm just incapable of good conversation just gave my own small take, apologies friends.

[quartz ivy]

@night marten i just fear people are not going to wait another 3/4 months on top of what they already been waiting for s4, if s4 doesnt do something

[quartz ivy]

nah youre spot on, Jeff. get some sleep

[karmic prairie]

They said s4 will be small and trailer proves it. From what they said they are bankiing on expansion with console release

Will it save the game? We will see

[quartz ivy]

🙏

[karmic prairie]

I personally feel like they need to step up their monetization game and not with paid classes for sure

[quartz ivy]

i dont have any issues with paid stuff if the game is fun. im not one of the ones that expects all future content for free because i bought the base game for 35 bucks

make it fun and ill give you money lmao

[karmic prairie]

Nobody sane expects it but for example i buy mtx and many of them in almost every game that i like. And le is the only game that i somewhat like but bought only 1 sup pack cause everything else looks just bad

[quartz ivy]

the mtx might be the worst in any arpg,

i did buy all the packs though, so jokes on me

[night marten]

Yeah, maybe. Gamers will always want new things tho. But s4 is important for sure

[wind sierra]

Happy 2nd anniversary, LE! Today marks two years since the 1.0 release. Good luck!!! 🥳

[void hatch]

I wouldn't mind if they released seasons once a year if they were good. Season 4 took about 7 months, but the trailer already made it clear that the content is equivalent to a 3-month season. I'll probably play for a week to test out the new skills, and that's it. I'm not going back to grinding monos. I also don't expect bugs to be fixed.

[night marten]

I need to know how you quantify how much content belongs in a 3 month season vs 7 month season. Like what are you measuring or comparing?

[void hatch]

I meant the content is shallow.

Other than the 2 skills, there's nothing really new

[night marten]

New mechanic isnt new? Attribute switching? Idol layouts? None of this is new?

I genuinely want to understand

[void hatch]

Killing monsters in a circle and idol layouts wasn't what people expected after so much waiting.

I personally was expecting something as big as S2.

We got another S3 instead

[night marten]

What were you expecting?

A large portion of the player base wanted a mob mechanic and thats what this is

Again calling it big vs small what are you actually comparing?

Is it just a faction? Is that the differenence between s2 and 3/4?

Or lack of a tree like weaver has?

[ornate vine]

It’s not enough. It’s another coat of paint on derelict building. Development pace is extremely slow. No benefits to Krafton seen so far

[carmine arch]

I actually kinda liked season 3 other than some bugs and some items not working correctly or needing tweaked to work better

[night marten]

Well yes. It takes time to incorperate new hires into the company. Hiring people in the middle of s4 development was never going to drastically increase s4 production

Its not like you flip a 96 million dollar switch and everything gets better instantly

[simple bison]

It's pretty normal for productivity to actually go down at the beginning of hiring waves

[ornate vine]

They don’t need more people. The output doesn’t match the staff they have. It never has

That’s why no season has been profitable

[night marten]

Please tell me the inner workings of the company and who isnt working productively

[ornate vine]

The output doesn’t match the head count and expenditure. It’s not a difficult concept. How would I know who is actually pulling their weight and who isn’t. That’s micro. I’m talking about the macro

[severe socket]

I do kinda agree on this. The game of LE's magnitude does not require such a huge staff to maintain and develop, especially with the current cadence.

My opinion, naturally.

Wonder how exactly they would justify inflating the staff size to the current level.

[night marten]

Well you talk like you know. You keep stating your opinion as facts so im just asking for the facts your are basing things on

[brisk sun]

after this season we waiting another year for expansin right?

[night marten]

Probly but there is s4 inbetween now and then. There is not set date for s5 or xpac

[ornate vine]

I’m basing it on the seasons we get. 😂

What else man

[night marten]

So no actual facts about anything.

You not liking something does not correlate to them not being productive

[lean berry]

I sort of agree, production output is disproportionately lower compared to headcount for LE.

But I've always said LE's biggest problems seem to exist at the management level.

Which tracks tbh

[ornate vine]

If you think the length of time to produce these seasons is them being productive than that’s up to you. They’ve not hit the 3-4 month season target again.

[night marten]

Yeah they said months ago when they gave us the date they werent going to hit the 4 month date and focus on doing a better quality season with more polish while they hire more people

[void hatch]

If consumers aren't happy, then they're not doing enough.

Are you an EHG employee by any chance?

[night marten]

Consumers need to be realistic tho.

Consumers cannot simultaneously complain the dev cycle is too long, want more content is smaller cycles, and complain when the devs get money to hire people to make more content in the smaller cycles

[night marten]

No moderator is an EHG employee

[lean berry]

Nah, it's not that.

Let's back track.

What was the biggest season LE ever released and how long did they spend working on it?

Compare that to the smallest season in Diablo 4 or PoE, how many devs worked on that and how much time was spent?

[night marten]

Define what a big season and small season are

[abstract vine]

anyone know of any big surprises for today being the anniversary? that is today right?

[night marten]

On a weekend? Not likely.

[ornate vine]

I am being realistic. They can’t keep up with any of their competitors. Hence why this game is dying.

[night marten]

Must be why they hired more people ya?

[lean berry]

It's a difficult thing to quantify, I wanna just say "major mechanics" but it's too vague. The scope of LE's seasonal updates are consistently underwhelming based on widely shared public criticisms and the exceptionally low retention rate compared to other ARPGs.

I don't doubt EHG has the talent, but with the way content has been released, it makes me question whether that talent is being correctly managed.

[night marten]

Yeah, thats kind of my point that started the entire convo. Lots of people keep saying 'le too small' based on a trailer that we know isnt everything. But when asked what is small vs big no one has an actual answer, cuz it is hard to quantify. But if as consumers we cant give the devs consice feedback on what small and big is, is it really fair to hold the devs accountable for also not knowing what small and big is?

[lean berry]

I've seen live service games run by way smaller teams that push out way more content and have way better player retention across seasonal content releases, outside of ARPGs.

It feels like EHG should be able to do way more with what they've got.

I started working at my company when it was around EHG's size and we wrote so much software and pushed out so many new products and feature updates in so much less time, comparatively.

[brisk sun]

The problem is in "remote". Projects are not pushed to their productive limit when everybody's not face to face.

[lean berry]

No, it's not that. I work fully remote as well. We do it fine.

Our entire company is fully remote.

Several hundred people.

[night marten]

Yeah thats not a thing. Lol

Remote work is fine

[lean berry]

We've been fully remote since covid and our company has grown through the roof, productivity has gone way up as well.

[night marten]

Which seasons were underwhelming? 1 and 3? Was 2 fine?

[brisk sun]

Personally I dont see that happening. I'm not saying everybody but there's definitely will be one dude that works 1 hour and does nothing all day and u never now.

[lean berry]

How long did 2 cook? That was a long gap, no?

[night marten]

1 and 3 were like 4.5 month. S2 was 9. S4 will be 7

And obv 1.0 was like years

But thats a seperate can of worms

[lean berry]

You do know. You should be able to know how much work is being output, which is the only metric that actually matters: productivity. Is the work getting done as required? If yes, it doesn't matter where someone is working from.

[night marten]

Idk how to tell you this but this guy exists at in person work as well

[lean berry]

Right, I remember that long gap and while I think season 2 was good, considering the time spent it did feel underwhelming.

There's almost no such thing as "slacking off" in practice. In practice, we call it "bad management."

When I used to commute, you think I didn't just "pretend to work" because it was more important to look busy than do actual work?

Spoiler: I did.

[night marten]

So even tho s2 was good, it was still underwhelming? I can understand 1 and 3 to an extent but 2 was probly the best that le has done given 3 seasons is a small sample size compared to diablo and poe's decade+.

But if s2 was good but also still underwhelming/bad...what would have make it good? Or is comparing it to other games just a lose lose for le?

Also thank you for giving answers. Having an actual discussion is nice and enlightening

[lean berry]

Ideally more than one major mechanic, for me. I don't feel class balancing / rework or pinnacle content really falls under the "major mechanic" category.

LE also receives an unending barrage of criticism from a lot of people frustrated by ongoing issues/bugs, some of which have been present since early access and that probably makes prioritizing content difficult from EHG's position as well. But that debt needs to be handled sooner rather than later IMO.

[night marten]

Hard agree

[lean berry]

But I know that also sounds kind of silly... "Fix bugs! but also we want MORE content"

[night marten]

So you dont consider pinnacle/uber bosses major content?

Yeah its a doubled edged sword. More content also introduces more bugs and more things to break, often times making finding the one actual bug harder

[lean berry]

I just feel an organization the size of EHG should have the resources to do more, though I appreciate that they are ramping up hiring to meet those content expectations.

[lean berry]

Not really. I don't think the majority of the playerbase will engage with pinnacle content at all. For me, I just want more major endgame content to enhance the core game loop, such as the woven echos but even more stuff.

[night marten]

S4 will be a good measuring stick on if the devs are listening to feedback well enough. S5 will be a good measuring stick on if hiring more people was the answer

[night marten]

The 'core game loop' being monoliths, correct?

Adding more content into monolith/echoes? Or special player controlled not rng spawned content?

Or adding things outside of monolith?

[lean berry]

The metric that is probably very useful to look at is retention following season launch. How much does the CCU gain or drop over a three week period? A good season will show strong retention for 2-3 weeks and a sharp drop-off starting to form shortly after.

[night marten]

Agreed. And not having to compete with poe2 3 days after will also help ccu

There is a nice buffer on both sides of le season this time

[ornate vine]

People will come to LE for a few days from the POE 1 league and then go back. The drop off will be rapid. It just doesn’t change enough between seasons and the core issues aren’t addressed. It has the worst feeling combat and probably always will.

[lean berry]

Monoliths are fine tbh, I can see how they could work similar to PoE mapping, as a vehicle for endgame content, not the actual endgame itself. So new content within monoliths/echos would be great, yeah.

[night marten]

I hear a lot of complaints about echoes being boring but they do overlap with poe maps a lot and i dont quite get how one is good and one is bad.

Outside of just le needs time for more content to put into echoes

[lean berry]

I don't think monoliths are fundamentally bad as an endgame design, I just don't think they're good as the endgame. There's gotta be more dynamics to it, endgames within the endgame.

[lean berry]

IMO it really is just the lack of content, yeah. Echoes are bland, that's all.

I don't think the design is bad.

Another thing that might help is if EHG was willing to experiment with ideas during a season and revert them at the end of the season if it turned out to be a bad idea.

This way they don't have to worry about the risk associated with having to keep a bad feature.

[night marten]

Idk if anything has been bad enough to revert tho

[lean berry]

I know, but it most certainly is a factor in their decision making

"This seems too risky, let's not do this"

[night marten]

And might feel bad to remove content from a game that needs content, good or bad

[night marten]

Yeah, ok, they playin a bit too safe. Maybe. I can see it maybe

[lean berry]

Innovation comes from taking risks. Some of the greatest innovations come from a position of being able to say "I don't care how bad this turns out"

And that's the exact model that GGG operates under with their leagues.

[night marten]

Yeah. They have the content to fall back on tho. Much safer for them to remove stuff

But i do see your point and dont disagree

Could be playin too safe

[ornate vine]

The league becomes much less interesting when the version that is going ‘core’ is what you start with. Rather than an amplified version that gets rebalanced when the season ends

[lean berry]

Yeah, you accept the league mechanic might be OP, maybe even design it to be. That's part of what makes a new league actually feel fresh. Season ends, you tune it down and remove all the garbage bits before adding it to the core game.

[night marten]

With the mechanic being op...you mean the reward/result yeah?

Not like mechanic too hard to do easily?

[lean berry]

Yep, rewarding players for engaging with those specific seasonal mechanics.

But more so than the usual systems and mechanics already in the game.

[night marten]

So like...beasts were not 'fun'. If they buff beasts its more fun? Buff reward or buff the mob?

[inner finch]

The beast system could have used a gameplay as well as a UI overhaul imo

"but how, DJ?" how much time do you have

[ornate vine]

No that was boring af conceptually. Another mechanic of ‘kill powerful monster’. It’s just another encounter, not really a league mechanic. And it wasn’t worth interacting with most of the time

[night marten]

Technically all day

Hit me

[inner finch]

I think that EHG could have telegraphed beast kill progression better in terms of UI, in the first place. Have a bit of a progression board beyond 1/3 random choice. Show us past selections and future possible selections better, and put a bit of visible branching on outcomes on that board. Maybe have some randomality thrown not just into the post-kill selection options for the next kill, but also in terms of surprising mechanics that can yield better or additional rewards. Balancing mat drops in terms of chances was also a big problem with the beast mechanics. Some drop rarity didnt really make sense.

Additionally, crafting on these materials felt like basic high:low conversion ratio, there wasnt much gameplay around dealing with them, gambling combat on them. It felt like a chore having to summon and kill those beasts as often as we had to in order to "buy" some of those primal items. in general, im not a huge fan of this linear grinding cycle in order to gamble on a best-in-slot. What happened to rare drops that ignite excitement by pure rarity of them dropping

Add beast gameplay mechanics to all of that. These beast just weren't really engaging in combat

[night marten]

I agree with the UI. IDK how many people know certain skills for beast are locked cuz of pre-req skills. And having some really nice things locked on those locked skills

I also would have liked having some legit drop only uniques outside of evos end.

Would like spending mats to buff the beast been a better option?

[inner finch]

Having an item slot's BiS item locked behind a few hours of mindless grinding isn't the right path, in any case

You could claim that's always the case, but in regular farming, nobody guarantees anything can and will drop

[night marten]

Eh. I would argue all arpgs are mindless grinding outside of a few bosses

But i do get the sentiment

[inner finch]

But the items should come as surprise drops, not as purchaseable items for currencies

[night marten]

There isnt any real player involvement

[inner finch]

Especially BiS, like, forget good items

[night marten]

Like choosing a path or influencing things enough

[inner finch]

Specifically in the beast system, im sure EHG can do a bit of work to spice this system up

but im absolutely not a fan of having "primal item shops" each season locked behind one or another currency we earn by killing some elite

I would say its a bit of modern Blizzardification of LE, but i put more hours into the Paladin on previous D4 season than on 4 characters in LE

(There was an element of item gambling with a chance to brick or make it godlike, go figure)

[night marten]

That was the sanctify thing? I havent touched d4 in many seasons

[inner finch]

Yeah

[night marten]

Hmm. Yeah i dont think they would drop the shop entirely tho. I wonder if there is a way to use the dropped currency differently

Or move more of the items to drop only

[inner finch]

Maybe as a post-season core implementation of the beast system, we can see a change in the way we can procure those specific-season primals

just some other way

(also, just a crazy idea, have them in the drop pool as a low chance drop under any farming scenario)

Sidenote - i like seeing somewhat powerful affixes on the new set items, gives them some viability as items you want to wear instead of melt down later

[night marten]

The new sets are really nice, i agree

Should compete a little better vs exalts in certain builds

Now to fix ALL the old sets

[carmine arch]

Updating sets to make them more playable would be cool

[inner finch]

2 things itemwise i'd love to see changed, and i did provide fair feedback on

Set affixes being really cool and build-contributing is one

You know what's the other? A redesign of the archaic Exiled-mage and experimental affixes

[carmine arch]

I always thought adding LP to sets would be cool. Like 2LP max because they are set items

[inner finch]

Can we have experimental affixes that do wild things please

[upper current]

roadmap is confusing

constantly the changes

[night marten]

Nah. They need their own thing

[night marten]

There has been no changes since the roadmap was put out

[upper current]

there was a couple roadmaps

[carmine arch]

What would you add for new? I figured lp would be the easiest fix but I am down for something more creative.

[night marten]

There was one with no details. And then one with actual details. Nothing changed

You just got actual info in the second

[upper current]

skill sigils?

[night marten]

Still coming. They were never given a date on the s2/3 roadmap

[upper current]

wasnt it for this upcoming cycle?

[night marten]

They just need better synergy and more stats. Legends entwined was a good start and reforged was too. They just need better stats. They do fun things already for the most part

[carmine arch]

We probably won't see that until the xpax/new dlc class

[night marten]

No. Never was. There was never a date for sigils. Same with transmog. It was announced being worked on but never a season

[night marten]

I take that back they are announced for the xpac

[carmine arch]

Something tells me that the sigils are going to be reworked into the new dlc class. I hope I am wrong though

[upper current]

i dont see the point in announcing something that isn't for next cycle

[stable forum]

they have explicitly stated skills sigils are NOT paradox class

[carmine arch]

Awesome!

[night marten]

All of this didnt come in s3 and its not all coming in s4.

This is the sigils in xpac

The entire point of a roadmap is to look beyond the next season

[karmic prairie]

or to give promises never to be fullfilled and make up hype

[rancid pulsar]

and to put a big green checkmark on stuff that was released in the past

[urban bay]

Any advice for someone who is just starting their Last Epoch journey?

[night marten]

just enjoy it. do what you think is fun. dont try to minmax the fun outta everything first go thru. all the skills are good enough to get into the endgame

the ingame guide with 'g' is an amazing resource for new players and will answer tons of questions

[urban bay]

Really appreciate this mate. Thank you 🙏🏻

[woven harness]

The crafting is still the best out of all ARPGs. Cant wait

[urban bay]

Been watching videos on the crafting have to admit it looks great and very easy to use so I’m happy

[willow sentinel]

So any guesses to what these are??

And is there a silver idol here?

[night marten]

the silver idol is an unused base type for throne. just dev shenanigans i think

[willow sentinel]

Probably

[woven harness]

Rune Of Corruption should be fun

Not sure when to use them in the crafting cycle for an item

[willow sentinel]

At the end

Because you can't modify the item after

[tender marsh]

did people actually expect all of this to drop in a single season?

[night marten]

the guy seemed upset that the roadmap had changed but there were no dates on that original one so idk

the only thing we dont really have a date/info for is the transmog

[quartz ivy]

@woven harness holy. this dudes a legend. i remeber those NeverWinter days

[obtuse bay]

but it's changed for better

If he knew first roadmap...

[acoustic palm]

lets be realistic, no company ever respects the roadmaps fully, they are more of guidelines of what the company thinks about implementing and thats fine

[brittle hollow]

What I see is that they have implemented all but 2 in the roadmap and are implementing one in the xpac.. does it suck that they didn’t do it on time? It does… but at least they are doing them

Because there are bosses and monolith upgrades in each season

[steep river]

some of the systems, like sigils, became much more involved and got bumped when they were further expanded

[brittle hollow]

There is that as well. Which may be a good thing. We will have to see.. it would be nice to see their initial thought behind sigils though

[inner finch]

I still havent decided if scope creep is a good or a bad thing

Im especially on the fence after being here 7 months into the start of the previous season

[torpid vessel]

Anyone know if there a similar spell/skill to Poe2 Firestorm in this game?

[night marten]

you can kinda do meteor like that

[carmine smelt]

#❔┃ask-the-community message actually think this looks a lot like PoE firestorm tbh xd

minus the weird angles they come at

[willow sentinel]

Hey Frozen, did you test Glyph of Dominion dmg?

[carmine smelt]

Its on my todo list, havent yet. Do you mean DoT?

[willow sentinel]

Yup

[carmine smelt]

Yeah idk I need to play around. Ignite kinda just sucks, I tried with igneous and got up to 5m dummy ticks with really pushing it, I can't imagine GoD can do better

Maybe diff ailment convert idk

Maybe using some of the other skill synergies

[willow sentinel]

I tried revik Blizzard a while back, and was very disappointed

Maybe it could be decent with the reowyn staff

[south moat]

Haha
no

Sadly

[heady night]

essence weaver with that new set ring sounds creazy. but i guess the random part of the unqiue affix might hold it back idk

[willow sentinel]

You get a random procc once every 3 sec

I have a hard time imagining it's good

[heady night]

maybe they changed it....hoping!

[silk compass]

we gonna have paid classes in this new league?

[thorny mesa]

I havent played this game in a good while, how is build diversity in this game?

[zinc blaze]

no the paid class is in the first expansion not this league

[willow sentinel]

And that's still 2 seasons away at least

[obtuse bay]

some people come here from news to news

and some left the chat when they saw to paid classes and now asking

it's like curse almost

[inner finch]

Sometimes i wonder if even announcing their existence this early was a good idea at all

[zinc blaze]

I woulda waited

[inner finch]

yeah, have the game at a better state to soften the blow

[obtuse bay]

it's almost a month left for s4

hopium for better season ❤️

[rancid pulsar]

one of the runic invocations is pretty much just a firestorm, IMO it's one of the better ones but I haven't explored it much

https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/runic_invocation28_meteor_pelting

the new amulet they teased might honestly be perfect for this, if the aoe scaling works favorably for the meteorites like the description implies (always best to test before going all in)

[carmine smelt]

Damage wise yeah one of the better ones, targeting kinda not great

[heady night]

ayo i just read the little story quips or whatever is called on the set items and in particular the ones named weaver is very, very interesting.

"The coalescing Weaver had no more need for mundae eyes."

"What was once protection became only a burdensome cage as the Weaver spun a greater form."

spooky

[night marten]

Honestly the flavor text on a lot of the sets and uniques are kinda cool

just aint no one ever read em

lol

[zinc blaze]

love the rogue hat + shield where the living are raiding an immortal empire boat... captain is just happy he gets to free whales instead of focusing on raiding the dreadnaught

[inner finch]

We live in a build guide society

[woven harness]

If they continue to get this game in a good place, I would glady pay for a HUGE DLC which includes a new class. That is money that would have been used for Diablo 4 anyway, but I am not giving that game one more penny. SO, its a push!

[buoyant nacelle]

Hi, I haven't played since the start of the season, but my son wants to play so we are both starting fresh. What is the economy like right now, is MG (my season starter was MG and it is maxed out) viable right now, or better to go CoF at this point?

[simple bison]

I'd go CoF

[zinc blaze]

circle of fortune, its super late in the current season so the market is kinda dead

[buoyant nacelle]

thank you both, appreciate it

[novel rampart]

Is there any form of group advertisement like guilds.

[strange umbra]

not at this time 🙂

[tall lagoon]

I've always been a solo player, what's the appeal of guilds in a game like this? Socialization?

[acoustic palm]

Sharing memes with like minded people

[stable forum]

I don't know about how others do it, but me and my friends use the guild feature in poe to pool resources, though that's not really something applicable in LE

[acoustic palm]

Sharing maps or something, meeting in hideout

[chilly ember]

a lot of folks run in groups to rotate troves and share imprint food

[acoustic palm]

LE really needs to work on ways to receive money

Like I can cry about many things, but they did the best in making the worst possible MTX in any arpg I ever played

They have to make stuff that is sellable

I own 2 x 60 support packages and the set armors look so bad that it's not even worth using them

I hope they will rework old MTX

[muted cape]

Really? I thought a bunch of the armor sets were pretty amazing, not quite poe level, but good enough that I feel good wearing my mtx

[tall lagoon]

I like the last couple of sets a lot. I use Weaver cosmetics on 90% of my characters

[muted cape]

Season 1 and 2 were amazing sets, season 3 was the only meh release, besides the tucan

The tucan is amazing!

[acoustic palm]

The ones I bought was before s3

I am not on PC now, let me see if I can see the dlcs on steam

Primal legends is actually from s3

[muted cape]

Yeah

[acoustic palm]

Yeah, I dislike all the sets, the sci fi/ fantasy theme doesn't match the game at all, the hunter one looks muddy, the mage one is decent

The pet is nice

[muted cape]

Really? You dont like the orobyss set, the tentacles set, the vanquisher set or the storm set?

[acoustic palm]

No 🙁

[muted cape]

😭

[acoustic palm]

#📚┃off-topic message proof of ownership

Oro doesn't fit the theme, tentacle one just looks too bad and the last one is decent for mages

Probably mixing the names, but the idea is there

The capybara is their best MTX, but LE could feed it more polygons

[woven harness]

I want this game to thrive and succeed. It is the "goldilocks" of ARPGs.

[main frigate]

It's supposed to be a VIP player ⬆️

[acoustic palm]

all I want is more capybaras

[mighty raven]

the support packages are awful

[acoustic palm]

At least if they granted titles in discoed so people could see my poor financial choices and learn from me

[main frigate]

The other interesting point. Only players whose gave them money on kickstarter owns colourful roles

No ways to get colourful roles.

[novel rampart]

Is it possible to make a discord section for clans, would love to open up a chapter to my community for last epoch.

[south moat]

But there's the youtuber role for example.
not a paid thing

[ornate mulch]

the updates are all nice, but hope they added more endgame as its a very requested feature by a big chunk of gamers

[tender marsh]

the end game is currently infinite? What are people asking for more of?

Also in the trailer it said "adding echo chaining" to end game. is that not adding more to end game?

[lean berry]

It may not be enough. We'll see how player retention looks in S4 during the first few weeks of the season to gauge whether it was enough or not.

[tender marsh]

No seasonal game keeps it's seasonal launch numbers. Not even the heaviest hitters

[lean berry]

Of course not, but retention is a metric that matters a lot, and how long that retention lasts is specifically of great value. The "heavy hitters" as you put have strong retention for at least three weeks. LE's past couple of seasons dropped off hard, well below the expected retention figures.

[tender marsh]

LoL goes from like 12million to 1m in a week on season launch, PoE1 goes from like 700k to 30k in a month

[lean berry]

Losing 90% of your players in a new season or league after 3 weeks is normal and not a bad indication. But LE loses 90% of its players within the first week.

This is a problem.

I don't think we should be shielding EHG from this reality.

[tender marsh]

that's how seasonal games work. Log on, have fun and hit lvl 100 in like 1-2 weeks, if you feel like min-max optimizing your build you stay and if you don't you log off

[lean berry]

That is not in fact how seasonal ARPGs work, in terms of success metrics. Engagement falling flat after just one week is in fact not normal in the ARPG market. Ask any player who plays PoE, PoE2, D4 the past few years. LE's retention is simply weak.

[tender marsh]

Like I did this with the current season of PoE2. Wanted to make a super attack speed werebear with procs going off. But all of werebears skills have like a -50% less atkspd modifer on em. No point optmizing what the game actively fights against. Was fun tho

[lean berry]

The point isn't that players drop off, the point is how quickly players drop off. If you've played LE seasons, compared them to PoE1/PoE2/D4 seasons, you'll know the drop off in retention for LE is not normal by comparison. Acknowledging this reality is the first step to recognizing that LE has major problems with player alignment and engagement. LE as a game, EHG as a company, are not in a financially good position and they shouldn't be shielded from this reality.

[carmine smelt]

didn't all the bear skills not scale with attack speed at all basically, like calamity and rampage

[lean berry]

That is, if you genuinely care about the game's success.

[tender marsh]

I was using "basic attack" swipe. It scaled but not enough too my liking for my procs to feel wacky

got too like 4.3 swipes per second. was looking for 8.0 or higher. didn't matter if it was good or bad. I would have just found it funny

was using the support gem that shoots out little meteors if you attack "ignited targets" called it the "firecracker bear" from all the little explosions felt like 4th of july

did all content fine even ubers. but wasn't wacky enough for me to feel like diving deeper into optimization

I live for the wacky

especially in "power fantasy" arpg's

[carmine smelt]

oh that had a proc limit

kinda lame xd

[tender marsh]

yeah they didn't want "molten strike" from PoE1 coming back. Some nonsense

It's a fun skill

[carmine smelt]

i just did the giga BM CoC thing, was crazy enough for me

[tender marsh]

the more atkspd I get the more my PC wants to explode. Fun for the whole family

Is there a way to make earthquake deal "cold damage" currently?

wish "tempest weapon" on the gathering storm's skill tree worked with spears. it would be a fun thing to throw in my harmony of the first one build

[main frigate]

Xbox change a new CEO let me think will EHG change a CEO too 😂

Not sure do krafton have this power or not

I guess a new CEO maybe good for a famous company but not good for a game

[main frigate]

Just a small new encounter, maybe focus on the fun from collecting corrupted idols and idol altars, "omen", an new encounter based on different branches of corrupted items is the biggest selling point based on the latest trailer.

The second one is 2 new rogue skills.

Want to escape from infinite corruption? See you in expansion

[dim phoenix]

Next season will be great! We will be finally able to play with this seasons uniques since they will be fixed then. Right?

[gilded juniper]

i hope we get more info on the idol altar setups.

[south moat]

We will, no worry

[acoustic palm]

Allow me to color my capybara or something for extra 5 dollars

I applied to LE as a game designer so I can make more capybara content and then retire

[severe socket]

Capybara, you say...

[intense Namipon flashback.gif]

[acoustic palm]

It reminds me of a guy that took a job at a gaming company just to fix a bug that was annoying him for years, he quit 30 mins after fixing the bug and testing it

[south moat]

I think that didn't actually happen and was essentially a shitpost

[dim phoenix]

I would love to fix berserker belt myself if thats what it needs. But im afraid that theres a reason why its still bugged

[acoustic palm]

Researched it and it was true

The incident is commonly linked to Jeffrey Atwood, who shared a story about a developer who was annoyed for years by a bug in League of Legends.

A player was extremely bothered by a specific client bug in the game. Instead of just complaining, he applied for a job at Riot Games. After getting hired, he located the bug in the codebase and fixed it. Shortly afterward, he left the company.

Riot developers have acknowledged versions of this story internally and at talks.

[south moat]

It's apparently fixed for season 4

But yeah, I wish they did fix stuff like that even later to the season

[dim phoenix]

That would be so nice, I could finally play my build

[eternal kayak]

holy cow

so the new attribute stacker amulet , i shatter its mods and craft it on an exalted item and go for Tier 7 or Tier 8

+1 Level to all skills per 120 attribute

can i craft 2 set mods on exalted items or am i limited to 1 ?

if both set mods , have the same set effect i mean

[south moat]

You can have only 1 set affix / piece

[eternal kayak]

when i craft a set mod does it start Tier 1 or 5

[south moat]

Tier 1

[eternal kayak]

ah so its potential limitation

to add , upgrade , seal , and havoc

[south moat]

Also we don't know which one of the affixes becomes the set shard

[eternal kayak]

so i gotta find good base with T7 exalt with high potnetial

wait u mean its fixed ?

i dont get all mods shattered as shards ?

each set drop a fixed type of mod when shattered u mean ?

would be a shame tbh if the +1 level doesnt drop as a mod

[south moat]

Yes, you don't get all the affixes as a shard
it's only a specific one
like for Vilatria helm
the item itself has: +1 to level of lightning spell skills, 12% to 20%lightning pen, 4-8 int and 1% shock chance per int

The shard for it has:
shock chance per int & lightning pen
starting from 0.1% shock and 1% to 2% pen on tier 1

[eternal kayak]

how i can know what shard drops on shattering for each set i couldnt find info in the last epoch database

also yes would be so sad if +1 doesnt drop as shard from new set amulet , set gear are already much abandoned

even Lastepochtools doesnt show set affixes

[south moat]

... But lastepochtools does show set affixes

[eternal kayak]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAsEYCYHYg

for example if see the set item it self

does it show which affix here ?

[south moat]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/search?query=set&in_description=1&exact_match=0

[eternal kayak]

oh mine was empty might i have done something

[south moat]

It's because the affix itself isn't marked as a set item

[eternal kayak]

but where are the affixes tho , in the link u gave me i see the set bonus effect only

[south moat]

No
it clearly says on the first item there which is "Blade of the forgotten knight reforged"
what the tiers of the affix give

[eternal kayak]

let me understand this maybe i have miss understood the whole thing

So i have this Set dagger

Blade of the Forgotten Knight 

+50 Mlee Damage

+(25 to 35) Void Melee Damage
+(35 to 50) Void Spell Damage
(30% to 70%) increased Void Damage
(15% to 25%) Chance to gain Haste for 1 second on Hit
15% increased Attack and Cast Speed

What i understood when i shatter this dagger in the woven echo i'll get a shards , but not random mods , each set item will shatter a certain fixed affix every time i shatter it , lets assume this dagger will only shatter Void Mlee Damage which is the fixed affix to shatter every time

now when i craft Blade of the forgotten knight reforged on an exalted item , i'll get Void Melee Damage if it has open prefix , and it will add the set effect (2) and (3)

am i wrong ?

[south moat]

That's not a dagger.

[eternal kayak]

one-hand sword my bad

but hope u understood what am trying to deliver here

[south moat]

Shattering that always gives a shard that always gives you increased void damage & chance to gain haste for 1 sec on hit
it will count as a set piece and will give you the set effects, yes. If you have the other set pieces or the ring that counts as a set piece

Also it's not void melee dmg that the set shard will give
i already posted a picture of it for you in #❔┃ask-the-community

[eternal kayak]

oh that pic is a huge help

can search there make sense

it adds both void melee and haste as 1 affix ?

thats nice

so basically the devs set the fixed affix for the reforged set shard , we just hope its a the juicy ones for the new amulet

[south moat]

It's not void melee.

[eternal kayak]

yeah saw it

[south moat]

It's increased void damage
which applies to all your void damage

not just melee

[eternal kayak]

the pic u provided was a help i see all reforged affixes now on letools

yeah gotcha

[south moat]

But yes, it's both in 1 affix

[eternal kayak]

the new amulet has

+1% Critical Strike chance per 40 Total Attirbute
+1 to Level of All skills per 120 Total attributes
+197 Ward decay threshhold
+18% lightning Resistance
+18% poison Resistance

so the new amulet set is " Legendary Affixes on Equipped Weaver's Will weapons have 50% increased Effect"

Depends on what affix is set for this amulet , could be meta , i hope its the +1 level , set items are pretty much abandoned , yes the effect is cool , getting a good weaver is already a hassle

if its just the crit chance which is still good but you to have a very very good weaver , compensate a unique amulet

[south moat]

Even if it's the +1 to skills
I doubt the tier 1 is gonna be +1 for 120 attributes

[eternal kayak]

yeah thats fine , i expect it to have worse attribute on lower tiers

its an attribute stacker amulet , and u have to give up 1 red ring for it to complete the set to if u wana use the set , so worse attribute on lower tier make sense

what if we go to tier 7 oh boy

[south moat]

It will probably be strong on very specific builds, yes

[eternal kayak]

for example +1 level per 200 attribute , on tier 1 , and per 100 attribute on Tier 7

but honestly i dont think we will get it as a shard cuz it sounds op , you will have to use the original set item to equip instead maybe who knows which is still strong if u can stack attribute

[rancid pulsar]

if they care about it being balanced it should just be "+1 if you have this many attributes" and not scale beyond that point

so the incentive to use the original set item stays

compared to just slapping on a set affix

[eternal kayak]

i mean how much level we can get from amulets in uniques isnt it +2 ?

basically you need 240 total attribute to get that +2 isnt it that tough already with red rings ? so why not squeeze +1 or even +2 at most on attribute specialised build