💬┃general

[frank bramble]

Hahaha thanks, really enjoyed that season

Hell of a rollercoaster of emotions that's for sure

[balmy arrow]

Now I'm thinking about who to create again xD

[frank bramble]

Reflect

[balmy arrow]

Maybe try trading or is it too late to wait for the new season

[balmy arrow]

already done xD

[frank bramble]

Oh I mean you can try trading but honestly you won't be happy with MG's current state

It became very slow

[frank bramble]

Oh noe

[balmy arrow]

thought so since it's already the end of the season and there aren't many people

[frank bramble]

Yep, it worked very well till the middle of season, then the slowdown started kicking in

[balmy arrow]

then I'll wait

[frank bramble]

I would be glad to see a new person on market but yeah it is what it is

Truth is better than deceiving you it's good xD

[balmy arrow]

I will definitely start the new season at the market xD

[frank bramble]

Happy to hear that, hope you'll enjoy the stay xD

Market works well for people who are focused around one - max two characters

Since you can just sell other shit away

You won't be stuck with it like in CoF

[balmy arrow]

then this is bad news for me AHAHAAHAH

but I will try xD

[frank bramble]

I mean it depends on how hard you like gearing your character

If it's 77s and 777s even then yeah 1 character would be the way to go if you didn't have help from anyone else

[balmy arrow]

Yes, I would like to focus on one character in the new season

[frank bramble]

It worked well for me as this falconer was the only build I made this season

Then yeah you can always make a few characters but have this one main that's got the best gear

[balmy arrow]

It remains to be seen what new things will be introduced this season

[frank bramble]

For example if you wanted to get SW 2lp with two different rolls for two characters then it would be a pain

[balmy arrow]

yeppp

[frank bramble]

Oh yeah, that's gonna be a deal breaker or the opposite

[balmy arrow]

Every season I don't know which character to make the main one xDDDD

[frank bramble]

For me it is simple, falconer all the way in next season too, I love that build with all my heart

Previously it was frost claw RM but yeah it's been gutted unfortunately

[balmy arrow]

this is very good

[frank bramble]

Yeah umbrals idk man they just hit different, those boom blade explosions tickle a certain part in my brain

[balmy arrow]

My favorite character used to be the totem shaman beta version😭

[frank bramble]

With tempest maws?

Wouldn't it work now with new minion damage affixes on weapons and other stuff?

[balmy arrow]

Honestly, I haven't even tried anything like this

[frank bramble]

You got that brutality affix now on weapons, idols give minions damage as well, enchants maybe too but I'm not sure about that one

[balmy arrow]

I used to blow up totems with an serpent's milk amulet xD

[frank bramble]

Serpent's milk, damn, didn't know that amulet was relevant like ever

[balmy arrow]

This was still in beta

[frank bramble]

I remember my first build, non-crit small glacier sorcerer with singularity

Nearly killed t4 julra with it!

[balmy arrow]

Since the release season, I still haven't found my favorite class like you

[frank bramble]

Oh damn, that's a shame

[balmy arrow]

HAAHAHAH

[frank bramble]

In beta t4 julra was the true benchmark hahahah

[balmy arrow]

for me, reaching her was already a feat

[balmy arrow]

yes yes

XDDD

[frank bramble]

I remember doing 200 corruption and nothing more than this

[balmy arrow]

190....

[frank bramble]

Then found out about smite hammerdin with uncapped smite casts per second

[balmy arrow]

for me it was a feat

xD

[frank bramble]

Oh yeah I mean even 200 was damn hard then

And that hammerdin did like 500-600

I was like my god how

Was getting oneshots here and there but still it was a blast

[balmy arrow]

then a belt with exploding zombies appeared xD

[frank bramble]

Oh yeah the infinite ward

[balmy arrow]

I was called to a map and it exploded so hard that the game crashed AHAHAHAHAH

[frank bramble]

XD my friend played that build, no need to say I quickly told him to better change it

[balmy arrow]

wondering if anyone uses the new replacement with bees?

xd

[frank bramble]

No idea tbh, exploding bees on the other hand would also be interesting

[balmy arrow]

It's as if the developers just wanted to get rid of this affix as quickly as possible

XDDD

[royal smelt]

how is everyone doing today?

[frank bramble]

Not surprised honestly, that was a cancer to fps, to everything xD

[balmy arrow]

halooooooo.I've been getting ready to go to bed for two hours now

[frank bramble]

Too much to die, not enough to stay alive

[frank bramble]

Hmm I know that from somewhere

[royal smelt]

i get the feeling folks. i ended up taking a 5 hr nap

[balmy arrow]

[frank bramble]

30 min nap after which you wake up and feel like you are in another dimension

And it ends up being 8 hours long not 30 mins

[balmy arrow]

I still have 10 days to rest

[frank bramble]

10 days, damn

[balmy arrow]

[scenic fog]

So, big question about the game: Do you guys think Orobyss should break the 4th wall?

[acoustic palm]

It's Monday here where is the plan

The roadmap

[scenic fog]

I mean the character itself

Should he know he is in a game world?

[frank bramble]

You mean if orobyss should have more awareness or what?

[frank bramble]

Did anyone say the roadmap arrives today?

Oh right next week in the announcement, wonder if it's gonna be Sunday or Monday then lol

[acoustic palm]

Aaron said Monday or Tuesday

[scenic fog]

Yeah, he's already aware of timelines, is it really a stretch for him to grasp the nature of the reality he exists within?

[frank bramble]

Damn that's too big of a question for me lol I'm no loremaster and never gonna be one, hate lore in hack 'n slashes

[frank bramble]

Oh then maybe wait till like idk 6pm, here it's 2:53 am so not really a time to post stuff

[scenic fog]

Well lemme ask you a question then Podaj, if it was done really well, would you enjoy lore if it was baked into the gameplay in a fun and compelling way? No more cutscenes, no more grabbing your camera to see a snake lady give a speech. What if everything happened baked into the flow and action of the game itself?

[tardy bison]

as long as they don't remove that cutscene of heorot getting absolutely wrecked that looks like it's from 2003. that stays.

[frank bramble]

Hm I don't think so still, for example PoE has its lore implemented in a better way and it still sucks

But yeah snake lady speech is ugh i catch myself trying to click multiple times to skip it faster and it doesn't happen

I just don't care about those things, LE's A10 visuals on the other side slap, walking on the chains for example was awesome

I care more if my slam at julra lands because that actually affects my gameplay, not if majasa speaks for 30 seconds or 10

[acoustic palm]

walking on the chain sucked here since it was floaty and it felt like a 2010 game

like imagine a bear floating above a chain, walking in air

[frank bramble]

Man you should've played Claw, the moving backgrounds were something else

[acoustic palm]

it took me out of the immersion completely to see my bear walking into air

But the werebear got stuck in so many invisible walls that ... it's not worth mentioning again.

Going to play bear in Poe 2

[frank bramble]

I remember werebear rampage that was casting lightning bolts around while rampaging, oh god

Had to move constantly at a boss, so bad

[acoustic palm]

ranted about it in the past

[frank bramble]

Yep invisible walls are the worst

[acoustic palm]

and here too, I still want to see a dev using that skill for 8h and then ask them if it was fun to play that

[frank bramble]

Ikr

Rampage is a really badly designed skill

[acoustic palm]

and then ask them if they still want to ask me for more money, yeah I have no problem to offer Poe 90 euro for a package since what I paid for works, but I feel bad to pay 5 euro when I have to reroll to something else because bugs

Speaking about MTX, T-Rex had a bugged MTX that reduced the damage by 50%

[frank bramble]

What xD

[acoustic palm]

not sure if that was patched, but I found the whole thing peak

Yeah, the MTX didn't roared which was a buff that increased dps by a lot

[frank bramble]

Oh right yeah, roar is quite important on a trex

I actually have a p2w mtx which is cherry blossom smoke bomb

It shows you the radius of a smoke bomb much better

[acoustic palm]

And here people are worried about the new class being pay to win, knowing LE it will be pay to lose

[frank bramble]

We'll see

Let's hope for the best tho

[acoustic palm]

That's my whole grip with the whole paid dlc. 5 euro wouldn't kill me, but having to pay extra when the experience is buggy, floaty and not poggers feels not poggers

[frank bramble]

I have high hopes for LE since my hopes for PoE are lost for a long time already seeing what a mess it became

[acoustic palm]

Poe is at its peak for me

[frank bramble]

For me poe's peak was 2014-2016 when it wasn't such a mess, I can't wrap my head around what's happening there now

[acoustic palm]

So when Poe was like 8 year old or so

[frank bramble]

Now it's a zoom zoom festival that lost any meaning to me

[frank bramble]

Might be yeah, I didn't follow which year it started

[acoustic palm]

But yeah, I had a blast last league with my trusty RF

Got to 40/40, did 2 builds, RF and some minion stuff

Async is nice too, waking up to 5 divines in your bank from selling things over night

[frank bramble]

Yep async is a good change

[acoustic palm]

Said a few praises in global chat, life is good

Global 4040 is amazing cuz people that are focused on challenges are there and selling is banned, so things are fun

[frank bramble]

Shame they decided to do it in fkin 2025, not years and years earlier when we had to use stupid FORUMS to list our stuff

And we already asked for trade optimizations then

But nooo they had to THINK IT OVER for 10+ years

[acoustic palm]

TBH I still use the site

Not the in game version

[frank bramble]

They probably only added this because poe 2 got it and people would be furious if they didn't

[frank bramble]

Okay but

I mean literally making a forum post on forums and linking the stuff there

With the prices

[acoustic palm]

Yeah that was in 2010 when they had 5 employees

[frank bramble]

No, it was later too, in 2014 for sure it still was since I remember doing those posts lol

[acoustic palm]

Ah, well game was still young back then

I wasn't playing it

Poe is like 16 year old noe

Feels like comparing vanilla wow with retail

[frank bramble]

16 yo? So it was 5 yo in 2014

[acoustic palm]

Let me google Actuality

[frank bramble]

Still quite a long time to implement async trade

They just didn't want to do it because trade was supposed to be painful

[acoustic palm]

No actually 2013

[frank bramble]

And that's their words

[acoustic palm]

so it was it's first year

I only played with the site, which added some friction, but considering how good the site was. And the filters. It wasn't THAT bad

[frank bramble]

Oh okay, then maybe then it was justified that they didn't have the operating power or some other shit but later on they really had no excuse yet they didn't implement it till 2025

[acoustic palm]

I would take the site vs whatever LE has tho

Hell even vs wow vanilla action house

The filters were really really good, what sucked was that it had to be synced

[frank bramble]

LE'S market is also 1 year old iirc and it got a lot of polish already

[acoustic palm]

I only tried it once and played SSF even since

But having 25 npcs, one for each item sucked lol

[frank bramble]

I mean at least you know where to go so you don't need to search for base in addition to mods on it

[acoustic palm]

At least with Poe you could search items via your POB and it would give you the best option.

I loved that feature. I still use it

[frank bramble]

Yeah pob saved this game imo

[acoustic palm]

I mean for some people PoB is the real game

[frank bramble]

Exactly xD

[acoustic palm]

I saw some cast on portal build these days

Wacky stuff like that made me love poe, since you can think about builds that make no sense, I remember going troll aura bot which made people weaker

Joining parties and watch them cast and attack slower while dealing no damage

Lol

[frank bramble]

Eirikeiken?

That was my favourite poe content creator xD

[acoustic palm]

I don't remember who I copied it from

My first build was str stacking zombies and I loved it

Playing a witch with like 1500 str

[frank bramble]

There was a guy who literally gave people -100% damage and like negative cast speed

Brutality support on an aura + generosity was tasty xD I think it was that

[acoustic palm]

Lol

Yeah, see, for this wacky stuff to work you need to allow freedom. And for most of your stuff to be bugless

[lunar obsidian]

so. dead game?

[frank bramble]

xD why

[frank bramble]

Actually it's bugless or bugged so it works hahaha

[lunar obsidian]

cause of terrible developer and company decisions it seems

sad to see this game die.

[frank bramble]

I mean if the game doesn't start making money it will die anyway, apparently maybe stash tabs shouldn't have been free

Pooe made you have to pay for every stash QoL option and here we are

[lunar obsidian]

oh well

game had a lot of potential.

[frank bramble]

It still has

[lunar obsidian]

far too many misteps now to take it all back

nah

it's toast.

[frank bramble]

Okay just don't remove your posts if it goes another way okay

[lunar obsidian]

for sure

[brittle hollow]

Yeah such a shame for the game…

LE Dead, POE2 endgame Dead… D4 best

[frank bramble]

D4 best you wanted to say

[brittle hollow]

Fixed!

[acoustic palm]

D4 good, I got depression when zi watched the patch notes

[lunar obsidian]

d4ghey

[frank bramble]

Ayyyy

[acoustic palm]

I still play all arpgs like an addict tho

[frank bramble]

I remember my wife wanted to buy our friend D4 for release and she asked me if it's a good idea and I was like NOOO DON'T DO IT

[brittle hollow]

I have no idea what they did. I tried the PTR though and it wasn’t pretty compared to current season. People are going to rage

[frank bramble]

Those 600 people playing D4 for sure are going to rage xD

[brittle hollow]

Nah it’s got a lot more people playing and we all know it lol

[frank bramble]

Biggest flop of the century because yeah concord is just a meme

[acoustic palm]

Yeah, people that say LE reddit is toxic should see D4 reddit soon

Tbh Arpg players are kind of toxic

[frank bramble]

Reddit in general is a cesspool

[brittle hollow]

I should definitely have not started reading the Reddit of LE after the announcements lol.. with the discord being as it is…

[frank bramble]

Only subreddits I noticed holding their level are the NSFW ones lol

[lunar obsidian]

ya because people like @rain burrow shill d4 hard whenever they fart the right way

[brittle hollow]

And yeah Reddit is… Rhykker said it best about ARPG’s in his latest video. Players just want to complain.

[acoustic palm]

Would people pay for NSFW MTX in LE. Show them some ranger rogue pics or something

[brittle hollow]

People would lol

[frank bramble]

Rogue barefoot mtx when

[acoustic palm]

Write them down, if only LE was aware of this, they wouldn't be owned by krafton now

[frank bramble]

Rogue bathwater, man EHG is missing on SO MUCH MONEY

[brittle hollow]

We need people like Rob to shill LE hard whenever EHG farts the right way . That’s the solution

Shame though.. sold to Krafton now game ded

[frank bramble]

It won't be dead for a few more years for sure imo I think but yeah the vibes aren't good

[scenic fog]

Judd did an interview recently and said Krafton has nothing to do with the paid classes.

It's on Rhykker's channel.

[acoustic palm]

#📚┃off-topic message here

[brittle hollow]

The vibes are never good lol

[acoustic palm]

Watch this kind soul

Bad English but he had good spirits

[lunar obsidian]

ah so you're telling me EHG is just pieces of sht

got it.

[brittle hollow]

Truth is they made so much money that they got greedy and want more

[frank bramble]

Sent you that aurabot build eirikeiken did

On off topic

[acoustic palm]

Guys, don't be toxic

-# Without me

[frank bramble]

But yeah summing it up EHG will need to step up a lot in order to keep the players, I love this game and i genuinely believe that we'll get some nice content surprises in the future

Not all hope is lost yet, at least in my case

[acoustic palm]

Gonna play 1.4 obviously, since I am rotating arpgs as I mentioned, but they are not seeing extra cash from me

[scenic fog]

Well, they did go back on a kickstarter promise but it was for a justified reason: The game's survival. The promise did not age well, and we all realise mistakes in hindsight, this was one of those.

Have you not been passionate about something so much so that it blinds you to certain things only to later realise a course correction is needed that you can only know you have to make in hindsight of a situation? It's called being a human being.

When "business" becomes an excuse to rob people of their humanity, it makes the world a little bit colder.

[ornate vine]

They needed hindsight to know that mediocre seasons and garbage mtx would lead to a lack of profit ?

[frank bramble]

As I said before, free stash tabs were a mistake

[scenic fog]

Everyone has to start somewhere.

[acoustic palm]

Tbh, you can't have paid game and paid stashes, one or the other

[frank bramble]

Then maybe yeah, paid game was a mistake and stashes should have been paid, at least we know the latter pays off

[acoustic palm]

Imagine the uproar if they make stashes paid in 0.4

[scenic fog]

Why not both in-game gold tabs and tabs for like... 50 cents?

[frank bramble]

50 cent per tab and those CoF T6 hoarders would rapidly stop

[acoustic palm]

LE didn't get bought for charity, they would want that 96m back so eventually they may get really aggressive with monetisation

[scenic fog]

Transmog needs to be paid, for sure.

And how about alternate models for classes that are mtx?

[acoustic palm]

Like people will beach about it, but 96 m is kind of a lot and eventually krafton will want that money. So yeah

[ornate vine]

The game needs to be way better for people in general to want to pay for this stuff. That’s their issue. The quality of mtx is also just bad. But not surprising when the look of the game is also bad

[frank bramble]

I've been talking about lack of mtx for ages, like how the hell did we get only 1 falconry mtx and it was for a 1.3 patch when it was nerfed already

Also shitload of other skills/items could have so many nice skins yet nooo

[ornate vine]

Krafton ain’t ever getting that back. That money must’ve needed to be spent to create a loss to relieve their tax burden or something. Accounting geniuses will know

[acoustic palm]

Yeah, companies sometimes also get debt at bank just because it's cheaper paying debt then paying taxes

So are you guys ready for season 4 in April or something?

[frank bramble]

Please it can't be that bad lol

I won't find that many items to improve XD need 1 to complete the build hahaha

[short vessel]

Also a lot of the mtx was just kinda average

[frank bramble]

That's true too, only sentinel got those nice fancy cosmic mtx

[short vessel]

LE's styling is generally a bit more gritty

But a lot of the sets went a bit more cartoonish

[frank bramble]

For example umbral blades still don't have a single damn mtx like what the hell

Unless I'm wrong then correct me

[short vessel]

10 billion dodge trails

[frank bramble]

So true damn

Yet no razer footprints

[short vessel]

Primal scorpion got a really good looking mtx... cos it was a copy paste of an enemy model

:/

[frank bramble]

Oh ouch

Didn't even know that

[short vessel]

Tbh

It still looks great

[frank bramble]

I would love a pigeon mtx for my falcon and instead of featherfall it would be shitfall so every mob gets shat on

Toucan isn't bad since memes but yeah pigeon would be awesome

[scenic fog]

Just give me my skeletons and bone golems in 1920's servant attire and I am happy.

So I can live my funny parody of Downton_Abby, the lady necromancer of the crypt.

[frank bramble]

Btw i noticed you're doing a lightning meteor build am I right?

With a primordial set sharded staff

[scenic fog]

Yeah, my staff has 800% value

well.. 793% but who's counting.

[frank bramble]

Yeah so I remember good enough lol

I remembered it being 792 but I might be wrong hahaha

How is it btw?

[scenic fog]

My lightning blast tooltip is almost 80,000

It's a very mana hungry build

[frank bramble]

I played lightning meteor in like 1.0 I think or earlier but it didn't really catch on

Oh yeah had that too

Especially if you had multiple crit procs, the meteors would drain all your mana in a matter of seconds

[scenic fog]

But once I spam the lightning from the sky, bosses die in seconds

[frank bramble]

Hm damn, have you tried it on uber?

Or is it not viable due to mana costs

[scenic fog]

I have never made it very far Podaj, I don't think I have ever faced even normal aberoth

[frank bramble]

Ah okay, was just curious

I played this build with a vilatria staff + helmet like a year ago or more so I don't think aberroth was even out then

Also isn't that experimental t7 mana affix on belt quite good for you or does the potion amount on harbinger make it useless

[scenic fog]

My lightning sorc is named Ramuh, naturally.

[frank bramble]

Wait wait Ramuh? Like that mummy from FF?

[scenic fog]

The old man with the staff

[frank bramble]

Oh yeah the guy from flooded temple

[scenic fog]

really big beard

[frank bramble]

Must have mistaken it for someone else but it's a FF-related name right

From FFV

[scenic fog]

from many ff's Ramuh is a lightning summon

[frank bramble]

Or wait maybe I'm talking about the place where you were getting ramuh

[short vessel]

The thing with scorpion

Is that at base it already looked very similar to some of the enemy scorpions

Especially considering that the main scorp build works around casting eterra's blessing on the scorp with no autotarget

[frank bramble]

Oh I see, it arrived in FFIII but yeah that name instantly reminded me of when I was blasting FFV

[short vessel]

Tbf the only enemy scorpions that use the same skin as the mtx are like 3x the size of the summoned scorp

[frank bramble]

You're talking about those giant ones?

[short vessel]

The giant necrotic ones yeah

[frank bramble]

Oh necrotic ones, not the fire ones

[scenic fog]

I posted in item showcase my lightning blast tooltip and some contributing items.

[short vessel]

But honestly the primal scorpion visual rework was really badly done playability wise

[frank bramble]

Man planner is fkin wack on a mobile, can't see crap

[short vessel]

It made the scorpion less visable, it fixed the bug with the nova vfx being under the floor but changed the vfx to one that's extrenely faint anyway

The lightning scorp before the visual rework was this bright blue scorp with sparks coming off it

Now it's a really dull blue

And almost impossible to see the visual change on when zoomed out

[frank bramble]

I don't really know how those scorpions look like, I just slam them till they're dead

[fervent lintel]

What do y'all suppose are the most interesting builds right now (not necessarily the most powerful)?

[short vessel]

What do you mean by interesting

[fervent lintel]

Mechanics interact in fun/unusual ways, or they scale differently from common builds, etc

[short vessel]

Well, i play scorp nova BM which is pretty interesting. Is hybrid melee/caster minion enabler, scales mana efficiency using attunement, damage comes from aspect of the viper stacking + str

[frank bramble]

Sounds too complicated for my peanut brain

[short vessel]

My setup is actually incredibly zoomy for a bm, having 160% increased MS

Able to speedfarm ~700 corr

[frank bramble]

160? That's yuge yeah

I'm 128 idle on my falconer and like 143 buffed or maybe 153 i don't remember but for sure less than 160

[short vessel]

i've got primordial MS vanguard boots

lul

plus the ms from two red rings, a divine girdle, pale ox and double naal's tooth

and another 10% haste effect from idol enchant

and the 8% movement speed on BM tree

[cosmic dove]

why are so many bots from this discord are trying to add me XD

[main frigate]

how many

[cosmic dove]

so far 10

[south moat]

I haven't had any in a while from here

[main frigate]

✨ Avoid spam Boost ✨
(single use, can be used for 1 (one) month avoiding session of 20 spams, results not guaranteed)

[silk oasis]

Hi

[south moat]

Hello there

[silk oasis]

Hows my fellow epochers doin, yall been playing?

[obtuse bay]

you know this week is new roadmap week

[main frigate]

Then Poe 2's weekend

[exotic solar]

Good, tower of babel and hell clock how about you?

[fervent lintel]

Operation Babel is a good game if you like old school dungeon crawlers mixed with anime aesthetic and the ability to dual class

Has some gooner bait, but nothing too excessive that I've seen

Definitely seen worse in Cyberpunk or TES mods

[zinc blaze]

darktide's new class is fun

[zinc blaze]

I've seen such horrors in those modding communities

[south moat]

Oh the things you'll witness

[zinc blaze]

never again

[south moat]

I was just about to link you some saucy mods from there

[zinc blaze]

[south moat]

I've to say
I was looking at some oblivion mods just during the weekend because was feeling like playing the good ol' oblivion
And so many of the mods are just ugly
even the "prettier" things are just... "I painted the faces of all women with makeup and made them look like ... adult entertainment workers"

[main frigate]

In a shaky bus, on the way to drive out from the village.

[inner finch]

Skyblivion

worth the wait

[main frigate]

I always made typo recently...

[fervent lintel]

i to wurdz gud

[main frigate]

@royal kite I'm not sure what are you mean
#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[south moat]

He's one of the "now you need to pay for literally anything that EHG does" ppl

[inner finch]

because funni

haha everything costs money now lel

[dapper plume]

uuuuhm guys chat is not working on HC online :S

now i cant see if there is a beast rift in my mono's =.=

[acoustic palm]

morning

[gritty helm]

always has 🧑‍🚀 🔫 🧑‍🚀

[inner finch]

Sounds like an HC feature

[main frigate]

I have something for you, in off topic

[acoustic palm]

capys

monthly reminder that this is the only arpg discord that doesn't allow pics in general

[south moat]

For a while we didn't have pics allowed anywhere

[acoustic palm]

Toxic animals I guess

[willow sentinel]

Cool story

[south moat]

Very much so

[acoustic palm]

God forbid one of the 5 active members posting any pic

I guess it makes sense now, considering LE will drop the roadmap and the quality of it may draw more people.

[short vessel]

wtf

i've had 3 random drop double T7's today

[main frigate]

They must draw more people if they don't le go to the death. This server has lost 40k+ people in 5 months.

[fervent lintel]

If they were good at drawing people, we would have good cosmetics 😏

[acoustic palm]

There is no guarantee that more people in discord means more people buying the game, but dying social media is not a good sign

[fervent lintel]

It was a pun 😉

[acoustic palm]

Nod nod

[short vessel]

okay

[acoustic palm]

We are just here to vibe

[short vessel]

i just hit the nastiest slam

[fervent lintel]

Yeah, I was using the other meaning of "drawing," like sketching

[autumn briar]

i found a 3lp brewmaster in s2, perfect roll too. ended up not using it coz it was so good.

[south moat]

Was it too good?

[autumn briar]

yep

missing on a giga item feels bad, so you just dont use it

[short vessel]

no pain no gain

(says the guy who got the slam first try)

[autumn briar]

mg made me desensitized a bit, now i just go for 3t7s and if it misses i just buy another

cof was different, so much blood sweat and tears into getting stuff

[short vessel]

the gamechanger for CoF imprint farming

is primordial exalt imprints

it went from me seeing like 3 items (i see single and double T7's) to like 6-7 per sealed riches proc

i got 3 double T7's off a single proc

[autumn briar]

hm, actually havent tried. will see if i can make something for science

[proven anchor]

can ya explain this like im 5 and never played before? need to borrow my crayons?

[short vessel]

primordial/sealed affixes skip tier rerolling

so you just get the roll to see if they will replace an affix in the usual slots

that roll is more likely than a T7 in a regular slot not rerolling

[proven anchor]

ok tks

[tawny spire]

2 gamer questions from people who actually play not the ones who sit in chat

[sleek laurel]

Hey! When Will we know if we have or not to buy the next dlc

[night marten]

s4 is free. s5 is free. the expansion is free (sometime next year at least). the paradox class is paid (also sometime next year at least)

[tawny spire]

eagles - penubra ring does it stack for lethal strike for shadow daggers giving it 100% on hit?

[night marten]

should

most chance things like that stack

[copper sorrel]

So much free stuff. Is it not worth anything or what?

[night marten]

100% free games and updates totally not worth for sure

infact free things in real life are also worthless. total trap

[south marsh]

You basically get a free story patch and a new league to play with the old characters while the new class is paywalled

[copper sorrel]

That makes sense, you're right. We should be thankful it's an addition to the amazing base game

[south marsh]

They've set themselves for criticism no matter what because
1 - the new class is op = p2w exclusivity
2 - new class is equal or worse to the others = money stealing slop
They just can't really win with this situation idk what they are thinking

[night marten]

unfortunately, yeah

if s4 and s5 are amazing, it will help quite a bit tho

[ornate vine]

just gives people a sour taste in general when you sell content on a game that feels unfinished and clunky

[south marsh]

You already paid for the game and you don't really pay for the expansion but let's be honest the expansion is 50% the new class

If they made some godlike skins or outfits for the new class and monetized that I'd have absolutely no problem might even buy it

But that's just ridiculous

[night marten]

there is no information on what the xpac is and how it relates, if at all, to the class

saying its 50% is entirely fabricated

[exotic solar]

Making up numbers is fun tho

[primal abyss]

Good day, everyone! Hope you all are well

[night marten]

4 out of 3 internet people agree

[ornate vine]

wouldn't be surprised if the expansion either contained the class and/or other content. And now shrunk down to essentially be a "season" as everyone gets the content but still allows them to charge an additional fee for new comers for the xpac+game bundle.

[south marsh]

To clarify myself I consider the "what's new" to be the expansion so the class is half of my equation for what's new

[exotic solar]

Good day! I am good how about you.

[ornate vine]

they can also just call everything in season 7 or whenever it comes "expansion content", whereas before they would've had to split between season 7 content and expansion specific content.

[south moat]

Good day, Van

[night marten]

but you have no information on anything xpac related other than its existence sometime in the future. there isnt enough information on anything to even begin to say things like that with any accuracy at all. its all just made up

[primal abyss]

👋 Doing peachy~!

[night marten]

we dont even know if they are coming out at the same time. lol

[gritty helm]

I would not be surprised if expansion was a season update as well, just bigger than S2

Hello there

[exotic solar]

That would be neat tho, bigger than S2 is good.

[primal abyss]

[south marsh]

With the information I have currently I know that the expansion will have a new class and I speculate region/story build up with a new league mechanic for farming so in my own personal view it's justified to say 50% that's all

[night marten]

'bigger' than s2 is going to be hard if they stay on a regular season shedule

[night marten]

you 'know' nothing. its just bad guesswork

[gritty helm]

But my point is, I doubt we will have seasonal update when Expansion drops. Expansion will be the update

[exotic solar]

It is an expansion, i think its ok to have some expextations.

[gritty helm]

I forgot what games did that

[primal abyss]

With all of the things being discussed, I would def remind folks to drop their fun ideas in #suggestions or their feedback via #feedback. #Youneverknow

[night marten]

no one knows anything. hell most EHG people likely dont know anything about it yet. lol its so far away

[icy junco]

If only they'd tell us

[south moat]

It's too early to show, really

[gritty helm]

Telling too early can backfire as well

[south marsh]

Already did

[gritty helm]

cough Cyberpunk 2077 with mantis blade climbing cough

[primal abyss]

As far as other details, the team is working on a more detailed roadmap and post with deets regarding the upcoming seasons and expansion.

[exotic solar]

Ok, my great uncle works at EHG. He told me they are adding religions instead of blessings

[south moat]

Still working on it?
So I assume we don't get it today?

[icy junco]

It's just gonna have a big asterisk saying "subject to change" anyways, since nothing is planned until right before release I guess

[exotic solar]

A small passive three that you can progress with echo quests, boss kills, boss kills with extra mods and corruption milestones.

[primal abyss]

I wish I could tell you but right now I'm just getting in but when we got news you'll get a ping as usual

[exotic solar]

Each church has its own three and unique effects related to that mono boss.

And bunch of general stuff

Calling it rn.

And you get like 3-4x the bonuses of that church if you use only that one and no other.

[ornate vine]

roadmap is gonna be like "end game improvements" "visual upgrades"

[tawny spire]

yea just wondering if its 50 and 50 to make 100 or if its 50% x 50% --- trying to make BD work

[night marten]

its chance, to apply an ailment. it should be 100%

[tawny spire]

mm okay

so hard to make mele work this season lol

[scenic fog]

Good morning travellers :)

☕

[south moat]

Gm tigress

[acoustic palm]

Hello

[shut quiver]

Everyone on reddit, twitter (and discord?) who offer free, unsolicitated advices will riot if they see this

[night marten]

the truth hurts sometimes

[honest belfry]

Morning all!

[south moat]

Gm Wick

[honest belfry]

How is everyone today?

[acoustic palm]

Dooming as usual

Good ole dose of dooming

[scenic fog]

It's like people lose all sense of logic and hold people to unrealistic standards.

Oh wait.... they do...

[willow sentinel]

But they promised

[south moat]

I'm pretty good, I suppose
should make some food soon tbh

[night marten]

ask me again when/if the roadmap actually hits

[acoustic palm]

I don't care about promises, we all break em, white lies and what not. I care about bugs, they can do better, we know it. I expect less of them, and more content, thats it, deliver that and you have that 5-10 euro for your dlc class.

[honest belfry]

I won't promise today because I'm not in charge of that call, but it is coming. I've seen it personally

[acoustic palm]

Does it has more than one page?

[night marten]

you know another EHG employee once said that too 👀

but yeah, ik its 'sometime this week'

[willow sentinel]

Early in the week too

[honest belfry]

Not sure. Our forums don't use page breaks so I'm not certain. And even if it did, it would matter on page format

[acoustic palm]

Ah, so its written format, not a picture.

Got it, should be good.

[night marten]

lmao 🎣

[obtuse bay]

ehg team hypes me up with this new roadmap conversation

they can't say anything until its coming to #news but when they speak about it, they are really excited

so they are cooking something

I smell it

[icy junco]

I do hope it's clear that it's not really the roadmap that's important, the fans want to look forward to something exciting

[obtuse bay]

I'm looking forward to hear more content in season 4, more explaining about paradox classes and maybe gameplay video? this would be amazing

[willow sentinel]

Paradox are like sometime late 2026 at the earliest

[south moat]

I don't think we are getting paradox stuff yet

[willow sentinel]

I dont expect anything on them

But starting to know stuff about s4 would be nice

[south moat]

Yeah
Hopefully something you can do in the areas without it being a separate area

[burnt reef]

Gooood Morning!

[night marten]

oh aaron is here already. must be today

[willow sentinel]

Lol

[night marten]

s4 content...maybe a list of s5 content. maaaaaaaaaaaybe a trailer for s4. i would expect nothing else

[balmy arrow]

[acoustic palm]

i think they have a full patch notes with 30-40k lines of changes, bug fixes and new content, skill changes too, oh god, many buffs for un unperforming skills, new items, every mtx reworked to a good state, AI improved for pets, hitboxes fixed too so we don't get stuck in air or flat, more mobs variety, better graphics in a new engine, i can see it

we are saving the save design for 1.5

[night marten]

thats not happening. they never have full patch notes until like 1-2 days before launch

and they also are not re doing the entire engine

remember, realistic expectations

[acoustic palm]

another capybara mtx would do

[shell wadi]

I think last epoch will end like wolcen

[kind latch]

This guy gets it.

[acoustic palm]

One thing that LE needs to steal from PoE is the ability to upgrade support packages over time

And challenges

[torpid moss]

I just saw recent news on youtube. Do we have any knowledge on what this Paradox Class mean? Is it just like another class or smthng entirely different. I did not like the sound of Paid DLC or Paid Class but do not want to judge without enough knowledge.

[night marten]

we know nothing

outside of it will exist at some point

[candid atlas]

john snow coming out of nowhere

[night marten]

winter IS coming. (snow next week)

[torpid moss]

ok I see. Will wait for the news than.

[night marten]

we should have #news 'early' this week in the form of a better roadmap.

[cobalt fable]

i hope krafton is out

[shell wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/show-me-the-money-gif-gif-8685844190966791089

If you want to play new characters😁

[main frigate]

#suggestions message
It remind me of #news message

[night marten]

i feel like i have said this a few times already today but 'realistic expectations'

[main frigate]

I wonder how to do "$#@&%!*", one of challenges from bingo cards

[obtuse bay]

good catch, and this is actually good example of challenges

I mean it looks more fun than chasing for more corruption

[obtuse bay]

lol some of bingos- get cm to talk about food
mike answers your question on steam

[acoustic palm]

i hope we have mechanics that involve more than one (1) mob

[south moat]

It will be 0.5 mobs

[night marten]

this is something mike has talked about on stream also agreeing with. says they have heard pretty clearly the players want more than a boss.

if i were betting, id bet that we get it

[obtuse bay]

I also bet on this one

the one thing I wonder tho, where they will add to new boss

[acoustic palm]

in my hideout

[obtuse bay]

good one

[gritty helm]

monkeypaw curls, it's something like EA instead

[odd lagoon]

does anyone has connection problems? after about 10 secounds?

[fathom carbon]

👋

[autumn briar]

Lizard streaming. Announcement soon?

[south moat]

I'd say it's not today
because they release those announcements at 11th hour

So sadly we have to wait for tomorrow
||Just look it getting posted within an hour from this message||

[chilly ember]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-fan4stic-fantastic-four-the-thing-say-that-again-gif-9345984830195785978

[south moat]

It's very intentional, posting them at 11:00 am of whatever timezone it was

[inner finch]

Announcements on a Monday is sinister

This is what Tuesdays are for.

[autumn briar]

i was hoping he had some inside goss, coz he appears randomly streaming after being mia for months. but appears he was just busy irl

[south moat]

Monday is best for announcement though

[inner finch]

...

Surely not today... right Derrick? right?

[night marten]

The only day better than today. Is yesterday

[inner finch]

Oh hamburgers...

[south moat]

But I'll be patient and wait for it to be ready and sure about the wording so that it's as clear as can be

for minimal misunderstandings to happen

Which will still happen, obviously

[inner finch]

We are getting the /dance function

[south moat]

Finally
The crossover we deserve
DDR x Last Epoch

Dance Dance Epoch

[scenic fog]

Last Dance Revolution.

[south moat]

I wonder what kind of dances the characters would even know

[inner finch]

I know a title that jokingly made that and crafted lore based dances with some background to it

but im once again forbidden from publically mentioning the most hated ARPG of this century

[south moat]

I've no idea which arpg you're talking about tbh

[short vessel]

Hey man if you can have a star wars just dance crossover

[south moat]

Oh man that's a blast from the past

[heady night]

https://tenor.com/view/gjirlfriend-gif-14457952604098199169

I need that update for my fix

[short vessel]

Tbh the main just dance went wilder than the crossovers

Actual goddamn jojo storylines

[lean otter]

i cant figure out the build i am trying to do. i want to do a ailment build by stacking bleed and damage overtime multiplier, but it wasn't doing high enough damage for Corruption 100, so i switched to crit and same issue. i am using Umbral Blades, Flurry, Smoke Bomb, Shift. . i am only level 90 now. i tried looking up builds but nothing is like what i am doing or trying to do. looking for suggestions.

[south moat]

Sounds like you weren't inflicting enough stacks with high enough damage
You know that ailment chance can go above 100% to cause multiple stacks, right?

[lean otter]

i have 600% bleed chance and 1000% DoT

i am rogue i forgot to say that

[south moat]

Well yes, only rogue has umbral blades & flurry

[lean otter]

i just switch to crit and still like i just feel stupid

maybe i just i have to get my level up

[south moat]

Which one was your bleed proc thing, ummbral blades or flurry?

[lean otter]

i do the most stack with Flurry at 140 to 150 stacks, umbral blade i like using but it gets about half the amount like 70 plust of minus 10

plus or minus

my hp is 1200

my armour is 40 %

[south moat]

Yeah that's just not enough stacks really
and 1200hp oof

I think it's a case of just not really using the right skills for bleed

I don't really play a lot of rogue though

But when I was playing bleed last time I could get 1000+ stacks on bigger targets

[lean otter]

a 1000 stacks!!!!! wow. yeah the big targets is 150. like i cant grasp how to get that much stacks

[south moat]

Well tbh it was hammerthrow paladin with also proccing smite for extra stacks of bleed

[lean otter]

i hear paladins just dont die ever

[south moat]

Oh I died plenty, I'm not that good and didn't put in that much effort to my gear

What mastery are you playing, falconeer I guess?

[lean otter]

blade dancer, i use duel wield swords

i see alot of build for Falconeers

[night marten]

Can you just link your build using an importer like le tools

[lean otter]

Eagles should i equipe my before gear?

i switched to crit

[night marten]

The math aint mathin

Which ever build you wanna do and want advice on

[lean otter]

let me switch i really want to do bleed

give me a few

okay how do i link it?

i feel like i missing an item cause i was at 600 % bleed chance and now it says 470%

[autumn briar]

Go to this site https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/spicorr/character/spicorrmerchant but instead of spicorr put your account name and instead of spicorrmerchant put your character name

[night marten]

Or go to

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

And hit the import button and put in your info

Either works

[lean otter]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Thibby/character/Thibs3393

oh oops import button brb

[autumn briar]

that worked

[night marten]

Ya thats fine

[autumn briar]

also once you do that you can click view in build planner and save, this will create a snapshot of the build at the current time

[lean otter]

so theres multiple DoT i see

so is my build bad?

[night marten]

Blessings are bad. Siphon is terrible for dot. 38 in base rogue is way too much. Shadow cascade is poison specd not bleed. O bleed chance on either sword

[lean otter]

i havent beat all the corrupted monolifts. SIphon let me look

[night marten]

Alot of your item bases arent great. You have entirely too much res

[lean otter]

i know i am to get blessing to get resistance to drop resistance items. all my resistance is my blet and boots, i think.

where is siphon i cant find it

[night marten]

Your ring

[lean otter]

i use to it to leech

so i will redo Siphon ring

the game is pretty easy till corruption 100

[night marten]

The first jump to empowered it pretty rough

But you should still be able to manage with what you have

[lean otter]

so to many skill points in base rogue, swords should have bleed chance, so i should just do more stacks instead of increasing DoT; right?

i got some work cut out

[night marten]

Yeah chance to bleed for more stacks

Eh. Honestly you can craft a lot of the gear you need

[lean otter]

i do craft. i like it.

thanks for putting things in perspective

i beat one monolift but they so hard. i am looking my rogue skill tree.

so rogue skill tree should have just the 20 skill points? i see why i did what i did.

[south moat]

Yeah, you usually put just the 20 in there to get access to the other trees

[lean otter]

i did have disembowled in the rouge but i switched it to get more glancing blow stuff.

i am really thinking on this now

hey yeah i did have different swords.

i might for scrapped my old ones

[unique drum]

Is there a network monitor thing like poe has? I'm rubber banding like crazy

[frank bramble]

mtx for umbral blades when REEEEEEE

[lusty grotto]

[short vessel]

Crafting + imprints actually gets pretty in depth at the top end huh

[fervent lintel]

Mostly it gets a lot more grindy because you're combining ever increasingly rare components together and hoping you get the result you want

With 1-2lp items it's relatively straightforward and not overly hard to get an item with 2 ideal affixes on it

But when you start hunting for a 3rd or 4th lp, and the corresponding item for it, it gets to be really time-consuming

Especially if the wrong affixes slam

[modern bridge]

March 26th is absurd lmao

[brisk ember]

this game is dead now lol

[jade oxide]

I wish this was what we got when they revealed the roadmap.

[fathom umbra]

if the game is dead.. leave the discord

[blissful spear]

holy shit two more chapters

[unkempt lily]

@turbid silo hey what’s up, you pinged me?

[buoyant turret]

wow. they are going to lose a huge chunk of the fan base waiting on that

[placid phoenix]

Ar eomen windows basically poe rituals?

[near kayak]

march 26th ill be hyped for poe2 0.5 lmao

[placid phoenix]

omen windows*

[dusty cipher]

is there any dlc needed to play last epoch or is it still fully playable with basegame?

[vocal hull]

looks like it

[placid phoenix]

I like it

[austere totem]

holy moly, march????

[naive wadi]

Did I just read season 4 in march? 7 month long seasons seems incredibly long..

[jade oxide]

feels like we have to wait till like 2027 for the expansion...

that's a long ways off..

[acoustic palm]

lmao I was right with the April

[fathom umbra]

LE's getting Breaches season 4

[hexed fossil]

Paradox classes scrapped?

[turbid silo]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/looking-ahead-in-last-epoch

[candid vale]

end of march seems.. way too long of a wait ngl

[rocky niche]

Rogue updates finally. So shadowrend is the missing Bladedancer skill

[rare oracle]

No shot the new league is just breach...

[placid phoenix]

ritual, not breach

[naive wadi]

Not trying to throw any shade as I understand it's a smaller studio but a 7 month long season is going to consist 2 months of active players and 5 months of people finished with season and playing another game..

[fathom umbra]

I thought people alwawys wanted LE to add things from Poe though?!!!!!

[pure sorrel]

literally nothing about paradox classes in the blogpost?

[vernal spoke]

Bruh that is literallly almost a year for next patch.. tf we doin here

[fair creek]

they just ping everyone for a patch that's 4 months away after announcing their awful monetization? lol.

[placid phoenix]

I do, i like that its like ritual

[sterile vault]

March 26 holy GG. Big disappointment

[turbid silo]

A year? It's 3 months away on March 26th 😄

[rare oracle]

Give me delve in LE! I YEARN FOR THE MINES!

[autumn sapphire]

lol March 26

[pure sorrel]

looks nothing like ritual lil bro

[glad dawn]

March, christ.

[vernal spoke]

😂 When u launched season 3 it was on aug 26 right?

[fathom umbra]

12 months = 3 moths, duh!!! @turbid silo Kappa

[naive wadi]

Last season started when?

[next cairn]

I know ARPGs arent about the campaign, but locking the final chapters of the campaign behind an expansion seems outrageous to me, for any games kek

[untold skiff]

Math is hard. It's over 4 months dude

[austere totem]

damn you right, 2025 is almost over

[cedar widget]

Absolutely ritual

[sharp gull]

Wow I friggin knew by the way they were talking that they hadn’t done crap with season 4

[placid phoenix]

You blind? lol, you click the center, activates a circle with mobs that rush you

[coral vector]

Never @ me if the event is 4 months away

[fair creek]

locking out classes too.

[blissful spear]

the tooltip for rune of corruption says "they item may no longer be usable after it is corrupted"
so it isn't destroyed

[acoustic palm]

1 year leagues let's gooo

[sharp gull]

1 year leagues dude lmao indeed

[inner finch]

ah crap they did

[pure sorrel]

call it ultimatum if anything

[sudden palm]

lmao these devs are something

[austere totem]

last epoch 2 when

[fathom umbra]

I guess math went out the window for alot of people these days

[haughty zinc]

End march? U kidding us?

[honest crow]

LOL did they remove the clown emoji?

[modern bridge]

Sorry but aRPGs shouldn't be more than 4 months for a new season. 7 months is diabolically awful.

[placid phoenix]

Ultimatum already closer than breach, ill take that

[vernal spoke]

Wake uP. u REALIZE that PoE is literally cycling stuff within 3months MINIMUM. August to march for 1 patch 7 MONTHS MAN

[bronze ravine]

march....im sorry to say this but they are pushing updates way to slow, its killing their game

[lean vale]

Much better roadmap

[untold skiff]

LE 1 ain't even finished yet mate

[sudden palm]

no way 😂

[ocean idol]

they just can't win, half the community asks for more news and detailed roadmap, other half says shut up don't ping me 🤷

[half flint]

7 months is so long for one league lol . I dont get it

[blissful spear]

damn rogue won the skill lottery, three new skills in a row

[glad dawn]

This fumble has to be studied.

[night marten]

its a free xpac. just like seasons. means really nothing besides its the 'end of orobyss story'

[turbid silo]

Yep, and we're using that time to deliver something that you'll all enjoy 🙂

[pure sorrel]

its 2.0 breach

[autumn skiff]

HYPE!!! Love you EHG can't wait. Take your time and cook I have plenty more alts to make until March!

[honest crow]

It was up to 50 and now they're gone

[placid phoenix]

lmao, yup

[vocal hull]

day 714 of asking for a sword MTX that makes it into a giant baguette

[rocky niche]

ShadowRend is quite cool, i like it

[noble slate]

Why people are review bombing?

[sudden palm]

i was the 47th clown react 😭

[next cairn]

isnt it not free if you're a new player (only free if you already had the game before the expansion's release)

[pure sorrel]

what about walking back paragon classes?

[acoustic palm]

I mean no one was asking them to compete with 6 Poe leagues per year, but getting 1 league per 10 months is not fun

[next cairn]

or maybe Im mistaken

[modern bridge]

Sorry, it's hard to believe that from what you've shown us so far. You don't deliver 7 months worth of development.

[coral vector]

We are just mad because we want to play the game sooner and the @ was unusually far away by normal arpg announcement standards. We will move on.

[fiery harbor]

im in the middle of it!

[autumn sapphire]

Incoming EHG “We use the time to bring you better content” 😂

[naive wadi]

Fair enough but how long/much content does each season bring? Yall are fine with 2 months of active player base and then 5 months of dormant until yall finish the next season? Surely yalls investors don't see those numbers and think anything positive.

[rose summit]

March?!?! And we only get one new skill in that time

[honest crow]

Apparently there's "too many emojis" when trying to use it so they remove that one

[obtuse kindle]

We love China owning all our games WOOOOOO CHINA YAY

[inner finch]

We're getting a Holy Lance. Paladins harken.

[coral vector]

But for now I riot

[untold skiff]

Paid classes ? No thanks. Make your MTX not look fugly and you'll make bank. Honest feedback

[lean vale]

Krafton is south Korean, idiot racist

[acoustic palm]

hey, at least it's not a 1 mob mechanic, so it's a win

[fallow sleet]

I haven't finished the article here, I just came to ask if there's more salt or not.

[inner finch]

riot mentality is redundant, read it

[calm jay]

I'ma just say your fries will be tasty if you bring 'em 'round these parts, fren

[primal idol]

@lean vale He was probably referring to tencent having a rather large share, you moron.

[rocky niche]

Spellblade mastery change is quite good. Please make it higher a bit

[next cairn]

Oh well I like mage, so I hope the spellblade update makes him giga op like sentinel rework

[night marten]

two?

[acoustic palm]

but yeah doesn't look like we getting bug fixes

[austere totem]

so does krafton own LE's assets or can they make their own aRPG with LE's assets

[coral vector]

I don’t like that the devs are in here comforting us I can’t be a angry gaming consumer in these conditions

[coarse swallow]

We would love to have short cycles, but of course, the question is creating content that satisfies within that timeframe. We don't have the built up tools and processes PoE has for those cycle lengths. So, we feel currently to satisfy content requirements, we need a bit more time. Hopefully as we build up those tools and processes, we can shorten those times.

[kind harbor]

I decided to check how happy people are about the news, but I think I know my answer from "slowmode enabled"

[pure sorrel]

that bladestorm thing is hardly a new skill cmon now

[twin vault]

By march 26 Poe 1, 2 and D4 will have releases two season… EACH

[jade flint]

And they said Krafton was a good idea and gonna deliver cycles and Eagles was disrespectful when people had concerns with that news xdd

[glad dawn]

It's crazy how my excitement for this game went from really high back in 2020 to genuinely no longer caring. Such a shame. They used to say all the right things and now it's just a mess.

[acoustic palm]

they own everything LE related, the game and the ips

[obtuse kindle]

Did they just take my perms or can no one emoji react anymore

[blissful spear]

the season mechanic looks really cool. i'm a bit worried it'll be a slog to get through if it lasts too long as it looks like it's very stationary

[fallow sleet]

I'm in the process of reading it. I just wanted to say

Many of the Spellblade updates coming in Season 4 are aimed at improving the effectiveness of triggered spells. An example of how we’re going to accomplish this is by changing Spellblade’s previous Mastery benefit from “Mana spent on melee attacks is converted to ward" to “30% of added melee damage on weapons is also gained as added spell damage”.
actually sounds kinda cool.

[maiden beacon]

i don't know if i like corruption being taken straight as is from PoE

[royal kite]

suprised we dont have to pay anything to look at the road map

[pure sorrel]

Yeah sensitive mods removed reaction perms

[rose summit]

Tbh I read that as an existing skill

[austere totem]

rip

[obtuse kindle]

😭

[coral vector]

What did POE take it from tho

[fiery harbor]

tank the timeout bucko

[gray kettle]

Haven’t most, if not all, ARPG’s that put in new classes charged us for them? D2/3/4, Titan quest, grim dawn etc

[inner finch]

im also happy that in the future combat SFX is getting an overhaul. im so tired of repetitive clanks

[blissful spear]

it got a whole new skill tree

[fallow sleet]

Oh my god? They disabled the useless reaction system?

[maiden beacon]

no clue if it's taken from somewhere else before

[pure sorrel]

oh my god? they're trying to censor people?

[kind harbor]

Oh, and no reactions, so, how much more will this game live as a live service? One year? Two? Half?

[jade flint]

Tbh 7months should give you an entire new class

[coral vector]

It’s literally 1984

[fallow sleet]

Rofl, the salt is real.

[vernal spoke]

yeah im not really askin for like 2 month cycles but... you gotta compete and deliver somehow... consistency has been a real problem lately

[brisk goblet]

krafton owns 100% of the shares

[azure isle]

Why are you naming dead/low pop games that no one plays to prove a braindead bootlicking point?

[naive wadi]

Fair I guess. You can only do so much being a smaller studio. Hopefully shorter seasons some day. 🙏

[kind lake]

LMFAO MArch 26th ok

[royal kite]

u have to pay money now

[errant verge]

Hell yeah that was a road map

[inner finch]

Orobyss promises the sun and the moon. I'm a little worried

[next cairn]

Wouldnt march 26 put LE against PoE 2 0.5?

[autumn skiff]

Take your time EHG I'm excited as heck!

[primal idol]

@brisk goblet
"Tencent is a significant minority shareholder, holding around 13-14% of Krafton, the South Korean maker of PUBG."

Real smart.

[blissful spear]

brother it's an arpg. they're all low pop.

[rocky niche]

The Swipe animation is much nicer now

[austere totem]

is the upcoming expansion the last expansion? isn't Orobyss like the main villain?

[royal kite]

cant wait to see what else they make us pay for

[rare prairie]

PD2 style corruptions. Nice.

[acoustic palm]

but yeah, gonna wait and see what they can deliver in 4 months, the content doesn't look THAT wow for the time waited, but is better than the one mob mechanic we had in 1.3

[fallow sleet]

Oh my god, procced spells from melee hit are getting buffed so hard. I know what class I'll be playing next season. I'm even going to be breaking my tradition of not playing the shiny new thing this time.

[modern bridge]

Honestly, in my mind they're doing it wrong. I think people would be happier with 3/4 month cycles that gradually added more content over time rather than a 7 month wait. Even a "Season 3.5" would go down better than nothing.

[brisk ember]

grim dawn is better, change my mind

[untold skiff]

They came with expansions though. Not just standalone class. I'd be happy to buy an expansion. But paid class is like pay to win BS

[surreal onyx]

march 26th... thats 217 days between updates, oof.

[coral vector]

Does Grim Dawn have global chat

[blissful spear]

they could do another necro league

[errant verge]

The only bummer is no new spellblade skill

[vague flint]

EHG, i just wanna point out that its admirable that you still continue your work, despite the negativity received recently. keep it up, know you are appreciated.
love y'all
(not sure what other channel to put this in)

[tulip orbit]

We got again all the "paid" bots from other competitors games to whine in order to harm LE. Aren't you tired yet..? Get a life!!

[untold skiff]

Grim dawn is one the goats to be fair

[fallow sleet]

Might happen one day.

[brisk goblet]

so you really think he was referring to tencent owning 13-14% of krafton when he said that?

[coral vector]

What

[gray kettle]

It’s because we’re getting the expansion free. You’d rather pay for both, than pay for 1? That’s a bit odd

[errant verge]

Yeah it will eventually happen

[brittle quartz]

Oh goodie, the flame war has started without me

[fallow sleet]

LOL, they added a reason to run fire aura... To get rid of them and then restore mana. LUL

[jade flint]

The negativity is warranted as the underdeliver and ignore customers feedback and concerns

[vernal spoke]

If im a good boy and i bought many supporter packs... can i get a free paradox class?? hue

[coral vector]

This guy makes me want to complain again ngl exile him from the community

[naive wadi]

I mean absolutely everyone would love 3-4 month cycles. Myself included. But just because WE want that, doesn't mean THEY are able to do it in that time frame. 7 months is way too long, and people will lose interest and play other games. Hopefully returning, but as time goes on and the hype of last epoch dying off. I see them gradually bleeding playerbase with 7 month cycles.

[fallow sleet]

Then play another game? I feel like you'll be less angry if you just play games you think are fun.

[calm jay]

I am liking the look of spellblade changes being teased here, yeah

[primal idol]

@brisk goblet It is just as likely as if it was your position, but if we apply context- it is what makes the most sense. You have been wrong once already, not doing any research prior to running your mouth. So, I am gonna stick with my original assumption.

[acoustic palm]

the company doesn't have to fulfil the customer feedback tho, the customer doesn't have to play either

[kind harbor]

Yeah, like they didn't do it just to still charge you and claim that expansion is free

[next cairn]

I wonder if the sentiment would be way better had they not reveal the paid class thing until it's released

[coral vector]

Oh your seriously upset your not just memeing oh no

[brisk goblet]

lol gl 👍

[heady night]

Ooooooohhbhh

[ionic wave]

I paid with my hard earned money for this game, i own the game, i wAnT COnTenT nOw <.<!!! LE BAD !!! my life is ruined

[next cairn]

like EHG would probably farm hopium by only saying that the expansion is free dawg

[fallow sleet]

Dude, salt is never fake. It's always real. Do not underestimate how ridiculous people will get just to be salty.

[coral vector]

AHHHHHH

[primal bough]

So no season 4 till March thought we were having 3 month cycles

[heady night]

Leettttss gooooooo

[vernal spoke]

I believe having this long of cycles is bad for the long-term health and future of this game. People will ignore and just forget/ not bother when a new cycle comes out

[tulip orbit]

Are you the diablo enjoyer....?

[coarse swallow]

I'm not at all saying it's not true, but as a CM it's my goal to gather feedback. This is particularly important to us - what feedback do you feel we're ignoring, knowing that it's physically impossible for us to continue without changing monitization models?

[fallow sleet]

So a game you hate might die. Exactly how is this a problem?

[naive wadi]

Agree

[modern bridge]

Yes, in my opinion the issue they have is with scoping. They're trying to aim for too much per season. If they can't do a full season's worth of content, just do a reset mid season with some balance changes and let people go again.

[acoustic palm]

Remember the original roadmap and we had season 4 and season 5 until 2027 with a small *it may change? That's right, because we are getting only 1 season until expansion

[cold vine]

March? lol

[coral vector]

I liked Diablo 3 ROS and Diablo 2

[untold skiff]

I'd rather pay for one and recieve both. Paywalling classes incentivises making it OP so people will buy said class. And then it'll just start to snowball if the monetization works.

[fallow sleet]

Valid concern. Not one I share, but valid.

[primal island]

march 2026, wtf guys what happened, whats going wrong i thought the company had more resources now wtf another 2 season a year scenario? wtf what a mess

[vernal spoke]

@fallow sleet did i say i hate this game???? Your painting a picture with no brush. I've played this game since 0.7 and go out of my way to support this game with supporter packs and putting in 2500 hours into this game. ragebait

[agile flame]

When does the season made entirely by ai drop?

[simple bison]

Paywalling expansion content incentives them to make that content the best content as well.

[surreal onyx]

question Kain, is there a reason its taking significantly longer again to pump out seasons? seems like we got around that 4 month mark with ancient skies and now going back to nearly a year for another update, is there like a big internal overhaul? not being negative just wondering

[coarse siren]

welcome back vaal orb

[tiny mantle]

best? no. Strongest? yes.

[modern bridge]

I'd like you to consider alternative options. Nobody wants 7 month season cycles, and you can't deliver them quicker - so give us something different. Give us a mid season patch with heavily reduced scope to let people re-do the season without additional content. Do some balance changes, maybe add in some experimental class changes and you'd have a lot more interest than saying "Hope you enjoyed it, come back in 7 months"

[spice river]

paywalling expansion content when the base game is not finished is weird

[vernal spoke]

I will take LE over PoE2 and 1 in a heartbeat @fallow sleet

[flint night]

interesting to see new season coming is Breach from PoE and corruption mechanics

[glad dawn]

So the expansion will be 2027? Are we to expect another 7 month gap between S4 and S5?

[coral vector]

I think they overestimated cosmetic revenue and desperately need something to sustain their business. I don’t find this surprising at all. In a rational world we’d accept they aren’t the top dog ARPG on the market and they have to make decisions to pay their developers.

[untold skiff]

Then worth paying for no ?

[ionic wave]

base game will be done with the free expansion, 2 more chapters? Problem?

[primal island]

maybe at least give us some cumunication in between instead of dead silence

[muted wharf]

you wouldn't last long then

[fallow sleet]

Uh, I don't need to bait what's already there?

[coarse siren]

bladestorm seems neat

[calm jay]

I think this is a solid response regardless, honestly, if they're going to take until March anyway then do a reset on the new year with changes, seems like a fantastic compromise.

[cold vine]

March is insane guys, lol

[acoustic palm]

the fun stuff is that poe 2 will also have 0.5 at end of march

[ember condor]

I don't like how it effects the fairness of "competitive" events like the boss rush for Ubberoth in SCFHC. We're just supposed to take it on faith the class won't be overtuned when the game balance is consistently out of whack now? Then you stack a literal cash prize on top, and it's just a whole feelsbad situation.

[fallow sleet]

We’ll share more changes to Spellblade in upcoming posts, including improvements and ways to gain Fire Aura!
I am, in fact, a Fire Aura enjoyer, and hope to see what comes of this.

[vernal spoke]

in LE or PoE haha

[modern bridge]

You're going to get a lot of backlash when the season releases too, because unless you deliver a truckload of stuff in March people are going to say it is not worth the wait.

[coarse swallow]

A lot of ancient skies was the latest chapter, which was actually been in the works behind the scenes for more than a year, and the patch was not well received for the content additions. So we need more content, which means more time with our current tools and processes.

[simple bison]

I'm not saying if it is or isn't but saying a paid class is more p2w than a paid expansion is weird to me, they both incentivise the devs to make it stronger than the free stuff, whether it be content you grind or a class or whatever. They have publicly stated that they won't intentionally do so but all we can do is take their word for it either way. Imo a paid class is better than a paid expansion since it doesn't divide the playerbase

[misty flame]

March and holiday closure haha

[primal island]

yep, idk how with more resources they are having even wider gaps in launches wtf

[half pelican]

Is game in abandon mode since sell off ?

[coral vector]

Oh there was a sell off

[vague flint]

I believe, regardless of what they deliver, people can and usually do find a way to twist it into being a "bad release"
EHG cant win in these scenarios anymore
Its quite a loud negative part of the community

[half pelican]

Ya they sold it to krafton

[coarse siren]

wait wtf

[flint night]

yep they sold out

[woeful ermine]

RIP LE

[honest crow]

Season reset would be nice

[agile flame]

Can't wait till krafton replaces the entire company with ai, it'll probably be just as shit as it is rn anyway lol

[coarse swallow]

We did actually play with this with imperial uprising, and got absolutely blasted for it, haha.

[coarse siren]

the next season is in march

[fallow sleet]

Honestly, whether you pay for just a class, or the class and some other content, doesn't really change the odds of the new class being overpowered. It could totally happen regardless of the delivery method.

[jade flint]

The concern about Krafton was hugely ignored by EHG, promising it would make cycles faster, which we now know for a fact is not true. Concern about what Krafton would essentially do to monetization of the game was ignored. I personally feel like the concerns about the lack of new content in such long development times are ignored as well, saying a few skills or small changes is enough to warrant 7-8 months.

[heady night]

You know whats funny. I remember mike hinting thr class with thr least amount of skills would get new skilsl. I look at rogue and thought "would the add two new skills to rouge?". I am a happy camper

[honest crow]

Put a poll out if players want a season reset or not lol

[coarse siren]

welcome back settlers league

[acoustic palm]

Cycle 1 (Feb 21, 2024) to Harbingers of Ruin (Jul 9, 2024): 4 months, 19 days
Harbingers of Ruin to Tombs of the Erased (Apr 17, 2025): 9 months, 12 days
Tombs of the Erased to Beneath Ancient Skies (Aug 21, 2025): 4 months, 6 days
Beneath Ancient Skies to Season 4 (Mar 26, 2026)- 7 months, 5 days

IDK what they're thinking with a release schedule this messy, a semblance of consistent releases is a must if you want returning players.

[simple bison]

Not wrong, new classes tend to be op whether they're free or paid. You always want the new shiny thing to be well, shiny. You don't want to release something and it's dead on arrival no matter if it's paid or not.

[sharp gull]

Having read the roadmap I am much more excited for last epoch but with every step forward it seems like you guys insist on taking another back ….last big developer interview it was mentioned the framework was in place for 3-4 month leagues….so why now are we back to another 7-8 month lul between the very sparse season 3?

[night marten]

the devs have done tons of other options, and the player base always yells at them. at this point players are never happy, so just let EHG do whatever they think is best.

[untold skiff]

My point is I'm happy to support a project I enjoy and follow but the way EHG went about it is just soooo bad. Like this game was built out of the community, if y'all needed funds just tell us ? Instead of some shitty roadmap (even worse than D4, couldn't believe it either) revealing the monetization written by what feels like corpo spin on it.

[surreal onyx]

okay thats understandable, do you guys still think that over time with more developers and income you will be able to strive for the 4 months again or is it likely to keep this slower pace with more sizeable patches?

[glacial crow]

Got my first mageblood this league

Sht wrong discord

[half pelican]

Yeh game will likely be similar to torch light infinite I imagine prob less gacha, but they'll def make the "new" class way OP

[rose summit]

Maybe more communication around this part? Because I'm lost how the conclusion is more content. Rather than, a more streamlined cycle

[fallow sleet]

Was that the one halfway through the season that added the nemeses?

[flint night]

i got two from the tree in 1 day lol

[primal island]

congrats, at least someone got good news

[coral vector]

Ignore everything you know about this game. Ask yourself what happens after every entertainment buyout. It’s over man

[stray vector]

Thank you for the great update 👍🏻 , can't wait for the new updates to come, take your time, keep cooking, things are what they are, can't change the schedule so just gotta wait, this huge toxicity changes nothing anyways 🤷🏻‍♂️

[agile flame]

Ya no cares bro

[calm jay]

In fairness most discussion about Krafton happens on a level of business acumen best reserved for lemonade stands and kindergarten projects. It's like when people complain about mortgage being cheaper than rent, it just displays this broad misunderstanding of the entire scenario at large

[ember condor]

100% agree

Its been the hardest part of getting any friends to log in. New content completely absent for most of a year.

[coral vector]

I mean it’s a near perfect precedent it’s very foolish to ignore

[coarse siren]

if last epoch really wanted to monetise classes they could do what torchlight infinite does where paid classes are only paid the first season they are added

[primal island]

i didnt want to go for the doomer train of thought but its more and more looking like it

[untold skiff]

Bro if this channel isn't a divided playerbase I honestly don't know what is.

[jade flint]

Maybe the problem is the game and options, not the player base voicing themselves.

[simple bison]

Honestly I don't disagree the communication could've for sure been better, it seems like it kinda came out of left field for the majority of the community that the company wasn't doing well financially. But regardless if you just ignore how they worded themselves we'd likely end up with the same outcome anyway, now maybe there'd be less outrage and loss of trust from some of the community had they communicated better but alas I think paid something that isn't cosmetics was inevitable regardless

[half pelican]

I like LE I supported it in beta and played each season but I will say I won't return for the next due to the sell off and if anyone else is an seasonal arpg tourist like myself I'm guessing you won't either

[normal hound]

They should just cancel season 4 and 5 and then package it all into the expansion they need to stop with this seasonal crap

[simple bison]

I meant divded as in "hey bro wanna play some LE?" "Oh nah man I can't party with you since I don't have x DLC". With paid classes this isn't an issue

[untold skiff]

Let *Krafton do you mean 😑

[glass pendant]

I've been watching silently for a bit now, and while I have my own opinions on things, I'm just going to say, people calling the paradox class "pay for power", assuming the playing field among classes was.. even up to this point? Because huge gaps of power between builds has been a thing for as long as the game has existed now. And people kept playing niche builds despite the meta ones being free. So... what exactly is changing here

[coral vector]

2025 buyouts in the entertainment sector aren’t going to magically be any better than the last decade of them. It happens nearly everytime and I only say nearly because I’m sure there is at least one exception

[glad dawn]

Genuinely insane to think the expansion may not arrive until 2027 lmfao

[coarse swallow]

I think this is a really big conversation about development times. And I agree that currently we don't have the built up tools, systems, and processes to match other development studios that have been at it for much longer than us. We feel there's a certain expectation for how much content an update should include, and to match that we need more time than said studios currently - which we hope to cut down - this can't happen instantly the moment we've been acquired.

[acoustic palm]

can be used to corrupt an item, modifying it unpredictably.

Man, this EXACT verbiage sounds REALLY familiar.

https://ibb.co/Kc8P7ZV7

Either way, welcome addition to the game... In March.

[primal island]

i suported LE buying the top tier suporter pack of every season, im not feeling like it anymore this situation is geting worse by the day

[ember condor]

With how inconsistent seasonal releases have been, a Grim Dawn style expansion system is actually something I'd prefer at this point.

[agile flame]

Games been shit since launch, tbh. No one should be surprised it's still shit

[rose summit]

Simply that one is pay walled

[fallow sleet]

I've been slowly getting used to it. I think in a few more seasons I'll be super zen about the division. Or I'll drop the game in disgust because they finally did something that ruins the game for me. But I don't think it's productive to really fear this moment. I won't lose anything if the game ever becomes unplayable for me. It's not unplayable right now, and that's all that matters.

[night marten]

not in this instance and the rest of the conversation

[autumn briar]

ffffffffffffffffffffff

[simple bison]

Not really, It was gonna either be late 2026 or sometime in 2027

[glad dawn]

and you don't think that's insane?

[tulip orbit]

You have 15 classes with hundreds of different skills to try to. So you tell me you have no content until March?

[primal island]

by the time season 5 arrives poe 2 might already have launched and might be over idk guys

[rose hedge]

if you're reading this, you're cute :3 ❤️

[simple bison]

Not really? it's what's expected for me

[stray vector]

no u

[muted wharf]

What about Paradox Classess?

[autumn kindle]

I hope this game succeeds because I love arpgs and having different options etc, but having to wait this long for seasons could kill the game tbh

[glass pendant]

So the answer to "what's changed" is nothing. There will be 1-2 things stronger than the rest, and people will still play niche builds. Unless the fact that one of them is now paid, suddenly makes the drive for niche builds wear out

[simple bison]

They'll come at the same time as the expansion, so 2027

[normal hound]

Yeah it’s evident that the seasonal system isn’t working for them, which is fine it’s hard to pump out content that fast. Take a year or so make a massive expansion sell it for whatever price, then use those profits to make the next expansion

[agile flame]

Your living a delusion wake tf up

[calm jay]

I think the real statement is that you have a wide roster of age groups, but that's just my guess. Lots of us here who paid up for Lord of Destruction who were completely unphased at the threat of paying for an xpac, lots of people here who said the prenup guaranteed them the promise in the divorce

[night marten]

there is no info besides what we knew before. they are coming sometime during/after the xpac over a year from now

[fallow sleet]

I mean I'm also in this from a really different angle. I'm not looking for a forever game. And while I don't resent people wanting this game to be their forever game, I am glad it doesn't have to be for me personally.

[sour idol]

I still like it way more than poe2 which I feel has the opposite problem of LE

[primal island]

i thought the expansion would come in december with s4 man a lot of people thought it too

[untold skiff]

Still an issue. If they get the balance correct sure, I agree but with the current balance I'm not inspired with confidence tbh. We will see on release tho. If they do good work I'll continue my support. They gota work on the bugs list tho honestly it's miles long. Fix that foundation of the game

[stray vector]

could you elaborate?

[night marten]

no the devs were very clear the xpac was at least 2 seasons away

[simple bison]

I'm not sure why you'd think that when they literally said it would be after season 4 from the start

[night marten]

s4 and s5 were always coming first

[half pelican]

Honestly guys the commited streamers for LE have already abandoned the game and moved to Poe 2 to save their asses cause they know it's over

[shell valve]

People still play this game?

[muted wharf]

They were included in last roadmap but now they aren't so there i a concern that they just scrapped it

[acoustic palm]

Did EHG used AI in this road map as the corruption is vaal orb description copy pasted?

[analog estuary]

Is the paid class still a thing?

[flint night]

think the time new season launches in march, poe1 new season should also be releasing in the same month

[toxic fossil]

Will every season/big update be with 6 months in between?

[ember condor]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for the seasonal thing to have worked — but enough promises have been failed at this point, if we're gonna pivot, pivot.

Open up some modding too and the community can host seasons just like with GD.

[night marten]

yes

[coral vector]

I mean literally every video game company buyout has led to failure and this is a particularly bad year for everyone

[fallow sleet]

They were PoE streamers from the onset. They're not "Committed streamers".

[coral elm]

I'm confused. Are we not getting an update for December or January then?

[analog estuary]

😭

[simple bison]

Honestly I'll give it a 40% chance the class sucks, 40% chance it's pretty strong, 15% chance it's giga op and 5% chance it's balanced

[next cairn]

I think it represents the frustration over some of the old statements that they wouldnt have any paid content (gameplay stuffs, not cosmetics), CMIIW. I feel its not necessarily about the paid class in of itself. But the implications behind it (like how EHG might be incentivized to make them more powerful, where the direction of the game is going, etc)

While I guess its possibly for the better chance of survival that they switch into this type of monetization, I think its also fair for the players to give major backlash. It's to give a sign how players feel about the direction we're going. Especially since players have seen a lot of (admittedly more greedy) other devs/publishers going worse and worse after the first broken promise.

[primal island]

if people like ME who read and consume every LE releated stuff because i love the game didnt know that, who do you think did?

[half pelican]

Bro c'mon you know what I mean

[rose summit]

No, in march

[night marten]

no one knows what the goals are timeline wise and even if EHG posted them, they have met their timeline goal like 1 time since .9. it is anyones guess

[stray vector]

you think this year was bad? wait for 2026

[glass pendant]

Which I genuinely believe is completely irrelevant to the game balance

[shell valve]

Paid class without even finishing the campaign first what a joke

[muted wharf]

They were included in last roadmap but now they aren't

[calm jay]

My guess is either it's some weird obscure mechanic that you have to solve a Rubik's cube to play proper, or it'll just be some steel donut class that can do everything, like all damage types, can heal, summon, tank, ranged, melee, caster etc etc.

[jade flint]

Well obviously the decisions made aren’t good if the player base thinks negatively of it. Why would a player trust in Krafton when the decisions aren’t getting better or game is getting better? Also you really love to blame the players and people with concerns. How you are still a mod is beyond me.