💬┃general

[fervent lintel]

Glad you recovered it

[modern cape]

Starting to feel a little like Blizz around here. Paid classes and recipes instead of content or any actual info aside from what we already knew.

[unique drum]

Isn't the road map just 2 more seasons then expansion? Don't think they provided significant details

[night marten]

I mean if you clicked the link it sends you there

But this is all it is

[willow sentinel]

The road sign

[rancid pulsar]

the huge check mark is so funny

[fervent lintel]

It says "content updates" under Season 4 & 5. What more you want? 🤷

[trim obsidian]

the expansion is free but the class is an optional dlc

like bruh

[willow sentinel]

Idk if its sarcasm or not

But what I would like is to know what the content will be, sort of

[trim obsidian]

content duh

what else would it be

[chilly ember]

*subject to change

[trim obsidian]

right my bad the content updates wont be content updates after all

[willow sentinel]

You know

Smth like this

[trim obsidian]

it will become content downgrades

[chilly ember]

ye i’m just jokin about how it’s funny that basically the only thing it says is content updates and then it has a subject to change disclaimer xd

[chilly ember]

i get why they didn’t go fully down that route as a lot of that stuff got moved around or changed a lot but more of a middle ground between what we got and this would be nice for sure

[trim obsidian]

wish they would just go full restart instead of selling themselves to krafton

doubt they will ever get away from that ai greedy company

[keen mica]

Krafton kills everything it touches

[trim obsidian]

true

[trim obsidian]

:why is he telling the truth:

[keen mica]

[fervent lintel]

Krapton wants to sell you COD8

[trim obsidian]

in a year and a half subnautica 2 and LE will be fully AI made

[night marten]

That is the roadmap

[willow sentinel]

I personally don't mind if things get changed tbh

[viral marsh]

You'll kill monsters the same way Will Smith was eating spaghetti

[trim obsidian]

lmao

[royal tree]

is online mode still a thing? trying to log in to multiple servers but getting a lost connection message everytime

[night marten]

yes

sometimes giving steam a full restart will help

[royal tree]

gonna uninstall and try again

[royal tree]

it worked

[coarse swallow]

[chilly ember]

i don’t either but a lot of players do

[inner finch]

Yo festive Gregory

☕

Gregory plushie sales could have saved EHG, just saying

he could have solo'd everything

[red jolt]

I just tried creating an Acolyte and I really like the Lich builds. What skills should I invest in to get through the early game more easily?
If anyone has any suggestions, I’d really appreciate hearing them

[inner finch]

I really like Cthonic Fissure

I feel like its a very safe way to quickly jump onto level 70

in Warlock spec ofc

[zinc blaze]

🥞

[obtuse prawn]

My hype for S4 will never die!!

Actually works out well not bumping with POE 2 again

[woven sentinel]

Who wants to come keep me company whilst at work?

[inner finch]

how where

[woven sentinel]

I dunno sing for me haha

[inner finch]

suyre

ill do it

[woven sentinel]

Haha legend DJ. Next trailer not for another hour or so . Basically a concert 😂

[inner finch]

next trailer... for what?

[woven sentinel]

Collection

Work in warehouse dispatches

[inner finch]

oh shit you are forklift certified?

[woven sentinel]

Yes sir

[inner finch]

Check the rizz on that dude

[woven sentinel]

😂

Hey DJ

[inner finch]

?

[woven sentinel]

Check out #📚┃off-topic

Our forklifts require codes to run. Have to enter your own code in

Deffo not texting and driving

[inner finch]

[woven sentinel]

I said deffo not haha

[inner finch]

well, its better than driving a bit drouzy from a friend's wedding

i totally didnt

[woven sentinel]

😂

Now do I be naughty in morning and go for a McDonald's breakfast haha

[inner finch]

im not built for this kind of food before 12PM, no way

[woven sentinel]

Haha. I finish 5.30am in morning

So could go get something if I really wanted to

[inner finch]

oh it makes sense than with a backwards clock

[woven sentinel]

I'm covering nights for a few days

Then back to my normal am shift

Bloody Christmas music at 11:50pm eurgh haha

[inner finch]

i would have sung some xmas songs myself, shame

chestnuts roasting on an opeeen firreeee...

[woven sentinel]

Na fairytale of New York for me. The proper lyrics. None of this censored crap

[calm jay]

Don't joke

Plushies are the new craze

[ionic vale]

how soon into jan can we expect season 4

[calm jay]

Some of those Makeship plushies hit ludicrous goals for indie RPG maker stuff

[woven sentinel]

Unsure but 2026

[ionic vale]

das a whole 12 months

so its no longer jan but ealry 2026?

[woven sentinel]

God tell me about it

[ionic vale]

so march

[woven sentinel]

We don't know exact date

But we can predict Jan 2026

[calm jay]

Whoa whoa whoa pump the brakes

You're out here bein' an AoC andy but you're miffed about a month or two's wait????

[woven sentinel]

Who

[ionic vale]

KEKEKEK

[calm jay]

Hamster lol. I'm ||mostly|| joshin'

[woven sentinel]

Ah

Anyways must look "busy" for the cameras haha

[calm jay]

o7

[woven sentinel]

Beat thing about nights. No fricking deliveries but omg it's soooo boring

[inner finch]

i would go insane doing nothing at work

[woven sentinel]

Yayy it's midnight I can actually do something and check all freezer temps haha

[woven sentinel]

Hense why I want you to sing for me

[inner finch]

look brother im up for 20 hours now im pretty busted, but i know one of our dear EHG members would love singing to you over voice chat

[acoustic palm]

My bet is for February 2026

[woven sentinel]

Haha go get some sleep than bro

[calm jay]

End of Jan - mid of Feb would be my guess but that's just based on Trust Me Bro vibes

[inner finch]

By now i dont even care if Season 4 arrives in march, as long as it has a major series of exciting features

[inland hull]

yea i know what feature it will have. Unlimited portals - 5$, ressurect scroll - 1$ each

[night marten]

we already have unlimited portals tho

[inner finch]

ill pay, but only if Gregory is there

[inland hull]

we already have free classes too ;D

[night marten]

Thats not really the same thing at all. Lol

[zinc blaze]

yo a portal that just has gregory next to it

[inner finch]

LE needs more Groles

[dreamy acorn]

real roadmap when?

[fervent lintel]

Holy crap the filters on this server are sensitive, lol

It wasn't even a swear word, nor graphic

Nor racist

wtf

Kinda cool that EHG drops this bombshell then bounces out for the rest of the month, though, ngl

Definitely 10/10 rage bait

[inner finch]

This is very EHG core, sadly

Create utter confusion with confusing hints, go away, let the playerbase go nuts, come back far later to explain

[woven sentinel]

Back to work. Only 4 hours to go yippie. @inner finch decide for me. McDonald's breakfast or no breakfast haha

[inner finch]

my advices are controversial

[woven sentinel]

Lol

[obtuse bay]

hello hello 👋

new emote

[sterile oracle]

lol we dont know anything about the new class thats possibly a year off, perfect chance to get annoyed

and sweeping grand statments

[stone edge]

The one thing we do know, is the one thing that is upsetting everyone -- that it will cost extra to get. I'm not sure what you're on about, it's been stated multiple times now, by EHG. Soooooooooo you think people don't have a right to comment on it, and/or be upset about it?

[sterile oracle]

its a full year off, with no details, its absurd to get worked up about it.

[brittle hollow]

It’s not upsetting everyone.

[keen mica]

There's a lot of factors leading to people being upset. The krafton acquisition, ehg saying nothing will be changing after the acquisition, to the announcement of paid classes. After saying there won't be any costs after the initial $35 cost.

It's also krafton...

They kill everything they touch

[woven sentinel]

I'm not upset

[keen mica]

Also dropped probably the worst road map ever dropped

[elder barn]

what roadmap xdd

anyone calling it a "roadmap" does not know the definition of the word

[keen mica]

Exactly

[brisk slate]

The cm or dev who wrote the announcement called it a roadmap

They are wrong, but that is what it’s called

[elder barn]

That's the joke.

[weak tulip]

Anyone know where I can find the roadmap? I've only been able to find a picture that says seasons 4 and 5 will exist at some indeterminate time in the future.

[acoustic palm]

The road map is the friends we made along

Nothing more concrete than that picture

[woven sentinel]

Eurgh only 2hrs left 🙁

[stone edge]

Reading comprehension is your friend... I was talking about it being the thing that is upsetting everyone (that is upset). Is there anything else you need explicitly spelled out for you?

[main frigate]

Oh cool.

[void ermine]

Commenting and being upset is one thing, insulting the devs and wishing them harm a different thing.

[fervent lintel]

I haven't seen anyone wishing harm

Mostly what I've seen from people who are upset are 3 things:

• displeasure/worry over the Krapton acquisition
• EHG broke foundational promises that were a big part of the support and trust they were given up to now
• really, really poor communication from EHG

[waxen sparrow]

Is there any leaks on paradox? I am excited to see it

I could careless about paying classes at least it's not as cringe as paying stashes which is far more essential than a class you don't have to pay

[zinc blaze]

no, the paradox class is like a year out

[void ermine]

Maybe not here. Go watch steam duscussions...

[void ermine]

We have zero info on upcoming content other than that there will be content basically

[fervent lintel]

Nah. Those are always filled with haters, bots, fake traffic, and ideologues. You never get a rational discussion.

[waxen sparrow]

I could careless about haters

[zinc blaze]

If a steam game has more than a tiny community, I've never seen their steam discussion board being worth reading

[waxen sparrow]

I am just excited to see how the new class goes

[zinc blaze]

It will be interesting

[void ermine]

There is speculation that paradox classes are "just" augmented skills formed into a class. Like from the old roadmap

But i have no idea

[fervent lintel]

I had an idea earlier that it would be interesting if they are re-typed versions of existing classes, so you could try builds that scale with different gear. For example, the Sorc's Magma Orb would be default poison type on the new not-Sorc.

This way it's easy to produce the content, reasonable to charge for it, not obviously OP out the gate (though will inevitably have outliers that need tuning), and is reasonably completely optional for people who don't want to buy.

[scenic fog]

Are echoes loading slower than usual for anyone else, or just me?

[zinc blaze]

If the rune augment thing for skills gets turned into paradox classes ima be sad

I'd want a paradox class to be something distinct from the existing classes, like a what if about the character

[waxen sparrow]

Lol the community is already angry for Paid classes if they locked in a promised system to paid system

They will lose their entire playerbase and that's a bad choice

[zinc blaze]

yea

[waxen sparrow]

I would rather pay a new fun class than locking a system to a class

Lol 😆😂

Tbh if the new class lets me pick 3 different classes from different characters

It would be more fun

Suits the name of paradox class too

[fervent lintel]

Well, most of them are on vaca until next year, so if you don't want to pay for classes, give them a reasonable alternative as a collective community. Tell them what you would pay for instead, because they need to earn more than they were.

[zinc blaze]

a build your own mastery thing would be interesting

but would so heavily make minimaxing a thing

[waxen sparrow]

Imagine bro

Scorpion build with AOD

Hahaha 😂🤣

Massive poison penetration

[zinc blaze]

Acolyte base with necro, beast master and uhh forge guard for all the minion stuff

[waxen sparrow]

And it's very easy for primalist to get int

[compact dawn]

I'm not sure if that's possible anymore, it depends on how involved Krafton is now, and once the agreement is made they can't back out what they promised Krafton.

[fervent lintel]

Something like GD's dual class could be neat. Make a frost dryad / sorc hybrid

[waxen sparrow]

Tbh inputting grimdawn system would be interesting for paradox

It's worth paying for

Imagine skeleton build empowered by beast master passives

[fervent lintel]

I realize it can be sticky for that reason, but if the community gave them a strong affirmative alternative, I'm pretty sure they could negotiate with Krapton on that basis

[waxen sparrow]

Its lit

[zinc blaze]

thats the min max part I'd dislike being locked behind a paid class

[waxen sparrow]

Well it's paid for a reason anyway

That's the fun part

[compact dawn]

Hopefully the paradox classes are better then their roadmap

[waxen sparrow]

But hey at least we don't have to pay for stashes

[zinc blaze]

its paid because EHG needs money, if the class is just straight up better than the not dlc classes ima be sad

[fervent lintel]

Imagine being the EHG rep going to the Krapton rep with, "Hey, I got two deals here. Which sounds better?"

• A) Go with existing plan that angers the player base and threatens to sink the ship
• B) Players agree that this other thing is reasonable and they are happy to buy into it

[compact dawn]

I'm using the road map as an insult now.... such as "That's as informative as LE's roadmap"

[waxen sparrow]

I'd go B

[silk compass]

"guys, why my paid character is nerfed?"

[waxen sparrow]

I am happy with paradox but first they have to meet that said paid class will satisfy customers

[fervent lintel]

It just requires the community to figure out what B looks like so they can offer it to EHG

[waxen sparrow]

I am giving it out

[zinc blaze]

and get a large group of people to agree on something

[waxen sparrow]

Mixing 3 classes of your choice

[fervent lintel]

That's the rub

[zinc blaze]

as interesting as mixing 3 classes is thats op af and causes balance issues for classes that aren't even that classes fault

[waxen sparrow]

Ok I'll keep on preaching about my idea in general

[compact dawn]

Maybe I'm just cynical, but the fact the road map made no mention of skill sigils, I'm guessing they are using them instead for paradox classes 🙁

[zinc blaze]

its like multi classing in dungeons and dragons, its a min maxing dream

[waxen sparrow]

Let paradox class be a mixture of existing class

[indigo mist]

they do that and I might as well uninstall... because that whole skill sigil from the old roadmap was the thing I was most excited about.

[waxen sparrow]

I highly doubt this because it will just anger majority of the community and it's not even appealing to buy

Yeah people are already angry about paid class

[compact dawn]

I hope you are right, I really do

[waxen sparrow]

Hiding a new system in a paywall will be the worst decision

[indigo mist]

bro... they already are doing this with the paid classes.

[zinc blaze]

as a side: I hope they unbind a lot of skills from certain uniques

[waxen sparrow]

How about we preach everyday that paradox class would be just a mixture of mixing classes

Would be better

[zinc blaze]

no

I'd rather a fully unique take on the class and not just combo-ing things together

which honestly sounds kinda lazy

[waxen sparrow]

Imo it looks fun tho

[zinc blaze]

fun because you can giga specialize and make a build thats way stronger than normal

[waxen sparrow]

That's the best part

[zinc blaze]

its something for like a 1 month league like POE does

[compact dawn]

BTW there goes the chance of having more then 3 masteries per class....

[waxen sparrow]

I can finally play fire Eq with paladin mix

Fire earthquake I mean

[compact dawn]

All new class idea's will be for paradox classes

[zinc blaze]

yeah, again if thats what the paradox class ends up being ima just dip because that kills any disire to play something thats not a paradox class

[fervent lintel]

Who knows--maybe they do the WoW Death Knight thing. That was successful... right?

[zinc blaze]

if the dlc class expands options and playstyles sure why not I guess

if its just better overall, no

[fervent lintel]

"Heroic class"

[waxen sparrow]

Isn't death knight class just the existing acolytes class

[zinc blaze]

theme wise thats kinda just void knight I guess

The heroic class thing was just you need a near max level character to make this class because originally you were going to need to convert one of your not death knight characters into a death knight

[ancient sequoia]

you just kinda blew my mind cuz yes kinda, except we don't get a horse

[fervent lintel]

No, I don't care about the theme. It was the concept of what the class was in relation to other classes.

[zinc blaze]

but the testers disliked that so a character level requirement was added on the realm

[waxen sparrow]

Basically reaper is deathknight class tbh

[zinc blaze]

which eventually went away and is now they just start at like level 15 or something

instead of lvl 1

[ancient sequoia]

ye but no horse

[waxen sparrow]

Horse is overrated

[fervent lintel]

That's because it needs its armor

[waxen sparrow]

When you can float like a final boss

[zinc blaze]

death horse mtx for reaper form, your reaper form now rides a skeleton horse

bonus mtx to give it armor

[waxen sparrow]

Why need a horse when you can float like a final boss hahahaha

[zinc blaze]

be sitting on a floating horse, ez

[waxen sparrow]

Lol

[ancient sequoia]

cuz horse

[waxen sparrow]

Funny but reasonable

[fervent lintel]

MTX where the horse rides you

[waxen sparrow]

Ghostly horse is even better

[fervent lintel]

That came out wrong...

[zinc blaze]

sus

[compact dawn]

you knew what you were doing

[waxen sparrow]

How about you just have an Umamusume pet instead

[ancient sequoia]

no you are on theme. 🫡

[main frigate]

hold on, ghost horse? Give me one please

[compact dawn]

that's just called a follower right?

[waxen sparrow]

Yes but still technically a horse

[compact dawn]

PoE had that one pet which was just a guy who taunts you constantly

[ancient sequoia]

I thought that ws a mythical creature called a girlfriend

[fervent lintel]

A whorse

[indigo mist]

there's also the goblin troupe... but we don't talk about that one.

[waxen sparrow]

That's actually worse

[zinc blaze]

gotta get the anti pet shark thing that eats other player's pets

its supposed to make the gobos stop playing music

[compact dawn]

I bought the vulture supporter pack, and land shark EXPLICITLY to murder the goblin troupe

[zinc blaze]

yup mtx to kill mtx

[compact dawn]

talk about making an MTX to solve a problem they created

[waxen sparrow]

Is this an actual thing in Poe?

[fervent lintel]

Gotta get a frost elemental that boots the other pets out of zone

[compact dawn]

yes

it can murder any pet on command in town, but I bought it for the goblin troupe and mimic

the pet comes back after about 10 seconds, but it disables it's sound effects for like 30+ seconds

[ancient sequoia]

honestly though I feel pretty stuck with a lot of builds. I hope more stuff becomes more viable in the future

[zinc blaze]

your a saint

[ancient sequoia]

ooops did not mean for that last message to be a reply

my bad

[waxen sparrow]

Can you tell me about the name of the pet that eats other mtx

[compact dawn]

Just doing my part 🫡

[indigo mist]

I love Last Epoch more than PoE mainly because of that... The whole Customizability of skills was such a fun system.

I wholeheartedly suggest the game to my friends... can't say the same right now since the announcement of the paid classes.

[ancient sequoia]

it is fun but also frustating at times

[zinc blaze]

the skill tree concept for each skill is great

was excited to combo that with like cluster jewels for the skill's tree (me randomly thinking) and the rune system thing

[compact dawn]

The Vulture is from the supporter pack for PoE2 (usable in PoE1 as well). The land shark is almost like a dog (4 legs) but looks like a shark, it digs into the ground and comes out under the pet eating it.

[fervent lintel]

Honestly, POE technically has way more customization for skills--but they have nerfed them all into the ground over the years to the point that it feels like there aren't a lot of valid choices

[ancient sequoia]

i do love it but I am also on version 12 of my most current warlock build and it is still shit that can't beat abberoth

[zinc blaze]

jeff the land shark gaming

[compact dawn]

It looks a lot like jeff actrually

[zinc blaze]

and that the open nature (which is fun and enjoyable) does cause things to be used by other types of builds which causes balance nightmares

[indigo mist]

I should really go back to playing Rivals.

[fervent lintel]

The biggest mistake in that game's development was caring about "balance" too much

It's so "balanced" that it's not much fun anymore

[zinc blaze]

like we have an int stacking wand using juggernaut as one of the top builds currently

its cool and interesting, but like nerfing wands doesnt help the archetype and nerfing jugg cooks one of the few strike builds in the game

[fervent lintel]

They will nerf the skills... again

And the gear

[zinc blaze]

and wands will not be used for another like 5 years

[fervent lintel]

Yup

[zinc blaze]

[ancient sequoia]

god I hope not I want to use wandering spirits in a meaningful way

[indigo mist]

I don't mind nerfs as long as it's about balancing the skills making other non used skills viable.

[arctic cairn]

Nerfing dive bomb on damn negative damage, even pure ambrulla so bad this days

[zinc blaze]

yeah thats not gonna happen

[compact dawn]

balance is important because of FOMO from the player base. Despite what you may personally think, most people will naturally gravitate to the meta builds for efficiency sake. The idea is to try to make that as nebulous as possible so people don't get bored with the same class every season/league.

[zinc blaze]

it took like 7 years for them to kill ancestor totems and buff melee gem numbers and what do ya know melee can actually do things now

[indigo mist]

I just hope to god EHG doesn't do the unthinkable and nerf everything just so that paid class would look like the best class in the game... like some kind of artificial inflation

[fervent lintel]

Nerfing almost never results in actual balance though--there's almost never a proper revisit to further tweak them. They let the skills die until they run out of ideas and want to 'add variety' by reviving dead ones

[arctic cairn]

Bring other builds same lvl, not like nerfing on the ground

[fervent lintel]

in theory, sure

What actually happens is a meta always forms because the old stuff isn't viable anymore

[arctic cairn]

Imo how many times they need dive bomb and meanwhile not bringing other skill stronger lmfo

[zinc blaze]

look at how they gutted cleave of rage, they made its rage to aoe ratio worse and then cut the max rage you can get in half

for being super restrictive on weapons, its barely bigger than regular cleave

[indigo mist]

yeah... most players would rather play the meta than make their own builds and that's entirely up to their choice.

[compact dawn]

It's not really a theory, it's an observed well understood phenomenon.

[indigo mist]

^

[fervent lintel]

It's a common assumption based on misreading patterns

[compact dawn]

It still looks really bad when 50% of the player base plays the same class.

[indigo mist]

it has happened a few times already with the "recent" patches

it's not just a theory anymore.

[zinc blaze]

are we talking LE rn

[indigo mist]

yes

[zinc blaze]

judgement paladin vs ubber abby

[fervent lintel]

I'm more talking about POE, but have seen it in countless games

[zinc blaze]

whatever multiple screen clearing thing rogue is on

never bladedancer

[compact dawn]

LE is it's own issue, i'm talking about generally. It happens the exact same way in every ARPG

or even fighting games or anything that has "classes"

[fervent lintel]

Like how Diablo 2 nerfed multishot to no longer shotgun, but allowed hammerdin to be basically the best pre-high runeword build for the rest of time

In the current era, a shotgunning MS wouldn't even be broken

Just strong

[compact dawn]

Balance is important in general for people's enjoyment of the game. Older games got away with bad balance due to how slow information spread back then. Most people didn't even know Paladin hammerdin was good unless they read the forums, and most people didn't, and even today still don't

[fervent lintel]

My problem isn't that nerfs ever happen--it's that they are almost never revisited except for cynical "engagement" reasons

And neutering so many skills in a game like POE has the byproduct of enforcing a specific meta, whether intentionally or not

[main frigate]

#suggestions message Ghost horse like them, right?

[ancient sequoia]

why else would you ever revisit them? if something is good then it is good and you don't talk about it, it's only ever bad stuff that gets talked about

[fervent lintel]

No, when something is good people cry that it's "OP" because so little else is viable in comparison

[compact dawn]

What's the meta for PoE1?

[fervent lintel]

Hence why so much gets nerfed to begin with

[ancient sequoia]

very true

I stand corrected

[waxen sparrow]

Can't relate why people cry out a class is op at most I just find them boring and move on

It's not like this is a pvp game nor racing PvE game

[ancient sequoia]

yeah I don't mind if certain builds are good or OP I just want other builds buffed so that they are really good and cool too

[waxen sparrow]

Yeah that's a good one

[fervent lintel]

"Balance" is never achieved through these endeavors either. It's a fool's errand.

[waxen sparrow]

That's why they keep on buffing classes each season

[fervent lintel]

Just make everything is fun as possible--that would be a worthy goal and design philosophy.

[waxen sparrow]

This season is BM and acolyte buffs

[compact dawn]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers Granted Witch in general is a little bit over represented, but still 31% across all ascendancies isn't horrible. Highest Skill usage is 8%, balance is pretty good

[fervent lintel]

You will always have outliers, and that's okay

[waxen sparrow]

Remember when falconer used to be the most broken class

Now every other class can keep up on falconer

Some even faster

[zinc blaze]

you can look at wow classic for a live showcase of that balance problem, any raid team has like 20 warriors (out of 40 players)

and half the classes are like a one or two of comp wise

[compact dawn]

Yeah, and from what I heard a lot of people aren't happy with it.

[zinc blaze]

yea, TBC fixes a lot of the class balance, but people do really want classic+

and what classic+ is, is different for everyone

[fervent lintel]

And a game like WoW should theoretically be easier to balance, because you (as the dev) can set arbitrary metrics based on existing average data to decide what sorts of outputs each spec should be expected to perform at with given gear levels. It's surprisingly easier to be more scientific about it in that game than most.

[zinc blaze]

1. don't forget the specs aren't separate in class wow, mixing and matching on their skill trees is big
2. I do really wish this edition of wow classic came with a balance pass

[compact dawn]

Generally all games want metrics to know what is overperforming and what is underperforming. GW1 was famous for this, any skill that was used too much was nerfed each patch, and any skill underused was buffed. It was a never ending cycle of balance, but the community liked it because it constantly shifted the meta

[zinc blaze]

tho I could see actually balancing it annoying a lot of the old fellas

[fervent lintel]

The trees have more or less "correct" and "incorrect" options, and you can balance around the most commonly taken nodes for raid content.

[zinc blaze]

thats fair

like every warlock taking 5 points in improved corruption and no one ever playing survival hunter

or the idea that fire mage is a thing and having 90% of molten core being fire immune

[fervent lintel]

But with this methodology, you would even be able to account for Survival hunters that do elect to raid

[zinc blaze]

I wonder how many survival focused hunters have gotten into a raid

theres gotta be at least 10

[fervent lintel]

The secret is that they cosplay as rogues to sneak in, then once the raid starts they summon the pet and make sure Taunt is on

[zinc blaze]

ah yes the rogue with the twohanded sword

Ima miss the current retail survival hunter in Midnight, being a melee sword dude who also throws bombs at people is fun

[fervent lintel]

You are under a false impression. Every weapon is a hunter weapon.

[zinc blaze]

but of course

every hunter needs their 20 macros to hot swap between all their weapons

[fervent lintel]

The class is basically Gilgamesh from Fate/Zero

[zinc blaze]

gimmie Gilgamesh from history

or at least civ 6

[compact dawn]

I'm thinking Warhammer

[fervent lintel]

I don't remember what he gets in Civ6. I keep thinking of Hammurabi.

[zinc blaze]

he's the war cart guy

who also will always accept a declaration of friendship on the turn you meet him and will always renew it cause he's a bro

[fervent lintel]

That must make you the beast

[zinc blaze]

he's not called giglachad for nothing

[fervent lintel]

I'm a fan of Mansa Musa, Suleiman, and Yongle

[zinc blaze]

Musa my goat

[fervent lintel]

Got others I like too ofc

But they are so fun

For Suleiman, it's specifically the one with the unique governor

Not the religious one

But Musa's gold cartel can get so nuts sometimes with a little luck--using the leylines and starting near a wonder helps a lot

[zinc blaze]

I've been pranked by the leyline society too many times to count

[fervent lintel]

Me too

Definitely a coin flip

[zinc blaze]

praise the void

[thick lotus]

[woven sentinel]

Home sweet home now haha

[plain grail]

it was a good run

gg's

[indigo mist]

don't be so pessimistic... we still got 2 more cycles before we get the expansion.

[main quiver]

Good thing their roadmap really showed us when it's coming and what we can expect for it! (Sorry for being pessimistic xD)

I thought it was hilarious that they put a disclaimer asterisk on the seasons saying it is subject to change when they didn't really show anything haha

[gritty helm]

I have not made my mind on the expansion, and probably won't until I see it. But the roadmap was, yeah

If roadmaps were steaks, that one would be still mooing on the pasture. It was that undercooked xD

[brittle hollow]

Thank you for teaching me how to read! I was missing this crucial skill all my life. Your comment opened new paths and I can use my new friend "reading comprehension" to achieve all my dreams! Be blessed mr. Dire and your explicitly spelt out help!

[autumn briar]

Subject to change is the number of seasons before the expansion.

[rancid pulsar]

Merry christmas season travelers!*

*subject to change

[gritty helm]

I unironically think they should embrace it.

[south moat]

Embrace the corruption

[gritty helm]

Embrace the *subject to change

[acoustic palm]

is game good yet?

[gritty helm]

Trick question, was it ever bad ?

[rancid pulsar]

I mean yeah

[gritty helm]

Probably in some alpha stage, yeah

[acoustic palm]

Gonna be honest with you lads, but for me the game was always mid, but since I am an arpg addict, I played it

[lucid mural]

Same

[acoustic palm]

It's just a bit better than wolcen. But the animations, floaty combat and sound design don't excel in any point

[gritty helm]

Personally I found it fun despite not liking the genre a whole lot

[short vessel]

yaaaay 3/4 idol enchants done

[main frigate]

Remind me of I don't play wolcen for a while

[indigo mist]

yeah... that asterisk meant "maybe 1 cycle.... maybe..."

[main frigate]

Wolcen is quite fun to play but... Poor playbase now so down my interest a lot

[fickle salmon]

morning

do we have guilds in this game??

[gritty helm]

my guilty pleasure aRPG nobody played os Inquisitor Martyr, but it might be the IP

[south moat]

no

[indigo mist]

it's because it's warhammer

which is why nobody played it...

[fickle salmon]

whoa really um it defo is solo play hey

[gritty helm]

as in everybody avoids warhammer ?

[inner finch]

I never avoided WH, all i need is a WH game i actually would enjoy playing

[dense jacinth]

True wh is a a massive property with millions of fans

And unless you like rts total war is out lol

What do you have that is fantasy based you can play?

40k has way more variety in games

Og warhammer has rts lol

[tawny spire]

Is Dj electronic around - I found another reason why his electronic brain is wrong about how things are settup and how things are not OP but broken ---- BOW DMG ---- for a marksman -- does not affect bleed dmg ailments - yet 80% of skills use ailment applied to increase damage. Do you care to comment on this round earther electronic?

I KNOW its hard to grasp this concept when you only play to level 20 and just get all your information from players who run trainers, but I would love to hear your thoughts on this

[dense jacinth]

Lol never mind apparently he was meaning 40k

[dense jacinth]

Isn’t that the real way to play? The uber efficient way?

Lol

You know instead of having fun and figuring out things yourself?

[tawny spire]

no @inner finch this guy thinks everything works perfectly so I am curious as to why he think a seperate damage type which only affects a couple things yet on most items, doesn't work. He is the guru of knowledge here aparently

[dense jacinth]

You don’t question the guru for shame for shame 😳

[inner finch]

Man, why am i even paying rent for my current apartment if i can just move out and live free in someone's head like that lol

[stable shoal]

Agree make him pay for it

[stable shoal]

Btw you should spend some time learning what affects bleed damage instead of getting mad that bow damage doesn't have an effect on it

[tawny spire]

roflmao he is the one who enjoys verbally abusing people and giving false information - so curious as to what bullshit he has this time

[inner finch]

Look, im not a developer at EHG. If they built awkward mechanics, its just how it is

LE is full of questionable design choices

[tawny spire]

hmmmmmm it's like I do not have thousands of hours in this game? Maybe I do understand how bleed works, and also how physical dmg increases bow dmg more than the bow dmg stat itself - which makes 0 sense

marksman hasn't worked since release as a class - still do not listen to community - but now we get PAID beta test classes F yea

things in game already don't work ---- its like lets throw mud at wall see what sticks

[stable shoal]

Are you sure cause its same btw 100 increase phy its same as 100 increase bow damage if the skill is bow skill and its physical

[tawny spire]

no it is not the same at all - it is on paper - not in actual effect

[stable shoal]

Heartseeker seeker exists btw

[tawny spire]

physical damage scales higher than bow dmg

heart seeker is trash

[stable shoal]

You are clearly a noob BTW good job haha

[tawny spire]

really

explain to me how I have spent 300 hours trying to get heart seeker to be useful - but somehow I am a noob - I cannot wait to hear this one - go for it

[stable shoal]

Instead of malding idk put those thousand of hours into learning how to play

[tawny spire]

please I am all ears - heartseeker is good how - and lets refrain from being toxic eh?

[stable shoal]

If you can play comfortably 1500 corr with hearthseeker then how its bad🤣

[night marten]

there seems to be some confusion here. ailments get 0 help from flat damage on any weapon (melee, throw, bow) doesnt matter. they do get attribute scaling though

and obv attack speed cuz more hits = more stacks

and things from SKILLS itself help. like heartseeker does 10% more damage, also gets passed down

[tawny spire]

Refering to everything on MM adding bow dmg - but not physical or what is really needed like you said speed

there isnt a + axe damage hahaha

[night marten]

i mean yeah its called + melee damage

[inner finch]

if you wanna increase your bleed damage, its time to get physical

like that song

[tawny spire]

im still waiting to hear how you play corruption 1500 with just heart seeker lol

so I can laugh my damn ass off

@stable shoal the floor is yours - please heartseeker 1500 explain

well would appear jella actually does not have an answer for this

[tawny spire]

any idea why mourning frost / ballista phys pen / armor shred didn't get patched like early in the season? the infinite scaling is kinda hilarious

[stable shoal]

I guess some people really after thousand of hours cant tell the difference between flat bow damage or increase or dont know how ailments work 😅

[tawny spire]

okay I asked you to show something showing heartseeker build at 1500 and you just huck an insult again

got anything or just keyboard warrior in there

nvm Jella you haven't played since release how you can comment on a skill you have never used before is beyond me

[proper sluice]

Honestly I do not think ailments get attribute scaling at all. This is an info that has been spread but is not true. Am i wrong?

[stable shoal]

You should go to the rogue channel and take a look,not because you may suck means the skill is bad ,sometimes you just can't make something work cause you dont know how to make it excel, chakrams without synchronized strike doesn't work

[stable shoal]

If erasing strike applies timerot and erasing gets increase damage per strength , getting strength will increase ailment damage of timerot at least it should in some cases its bugged

[tawny spire]

yea jazz like str increases physical dmg -> increases bleed tick damage

[proper sluice]

Where has this been confirmed

officially

[tawny spire]

what do you mean, that has been a thing since day 1?

[proper sluice]

because some ailments on Last Epoch tools specify that scaling, but most like ignite or bleed do not

[stable shoal]

In the same way that more damage modifiers in the skill three modify the ailment damage increase to said skill from stats works

Go ask around you will get confirmation but again sometimes its bugged like in the plague acolyte skill case

[proper sluice]

yeah I get what you mean, but I personally think it's just untrue. It scales only with that increase in damage - for example for ignite fire damege or damage over time - and with nodes of the skill tree that specifically increase that ailment damage

I've looked extensively

there's never been any confirmation of this hypotesis

[tawny spire]

jella again - you do not play the game please do not try to help someone when a mechanic may have changed and you do not play

[proper sluice]

which was always assumed as true on reddit

[tawny spire]

Jazz

check this

[ivory thicket]

stats have never increased the damage of dots

[proper sluice]

thank you

[tawny spire]

strength impacts physical damage and armor - when phsysical damage goes up - bleed damage goes up

[proper sluice]

strength does not improve physical damage

[tawny spire]

there is a reason my bear ticks for 393k on his 10 bleeds because he scales from strength - applies the bleed - the physical damage effects the bleed stack - problem solved

[proper sluice]

it improves, as it says "skills that rely on raw strength" aka, skills that say that they scale strength

[inner finch]

strength improves skills that use strength

with the strength tag

[proper sluice]

probably because minions have a lot of physical pen and you got stats in the tree that increase dot from minions?

[tawny spire]

no - I remove ONLY strength from this equation - bleed damage goes down

[stable shoal]

Go read the ingame guide

[tawny spire]

why I am sitting at a training dummy - upping and lowering my bleed simply by removing a piece of strength gear

why do I need a game guide when I am watching it happen

[inner finch]

what other affixes does that piece of gear has?

[tawny spire]

nothing that affects the bear

simply gloves with JUST strength

[inner finch]

one single affix on it?

[tawny spire]

electronic I play past lvl 20 I know how to test things

[inner finch]

Hover over your heartseeker in your skillbar - what tags does it currently have?

if you can't even properly read my nickname, we need to do things slow

or understood my sarcasm over me telling you I only play characters up to level 20 and start over

[tawny spire]

heartseeker - physical - bow attack - dex

[inner finch]

Good, now we can use very globally understood mechanics to help this skill do more ailment damage if your main outcome of damage comes from bleed ailments. That means you need to focus on things like "increased damage", "increased damage over time" and "increased phisical damage"

Bow damage won't change how ailments work, since you dont rely on bow damage for your ailment damage

[tawny spire]

but again it is ONLY minions that are affected by the attritubes when applying this crap - that is why it is called infinite scaling and there is a combo with armor shred / pen with morning frost boots that legit break ballista no one talks about it - only complain that reflect fully geared is to strong even though it can barley pass 1500-2k

[inner finch]

the arrows are just a delivery mechanism of applying DoTs if you go for a bleed build

that means any direct damage from your skills is irrelevant to buffs

[tawny spire]

dude your playing checkers I am playing chess

not to mention physical dmg actually increases dmg of heart seeker more than bow damage does

which makes 0 sense

and the skill is bad either way

[inner finch]

heartseeker is a fine skill. Its not a top performing one, but there exist heartseeker builds that farm well beyond corruption 300

[tawny spire]

attack speed does not up the recurve speed - it is a flat control - just how fast your shoot the arrow then base mechanics take over and break your entire build - WHICH IS WHY IT SUCKS

[inner finch]

just off the top of my head i can mention one variant, the cold one

[tawny spire]

300 corruption is a joke?

barley clearling 300 corruption you are not even doing regular abberoth lol

[inner finch]

well beyond 300 isnt barely clearing 300

If you can't understand basic english, you will keep fumbling the understanding of how game mechanics work

[tawny spire]

oh also DJ we tested that Irva guys build with the void thing you were trying to show off

we used the exact same items - none of us got his dmg - however we did figure out how he makes his videos

[proper sluice]

Agree with Soda here. Heartseeker with the cold variant can push to 1k corruption but it feels weak AF.
It was the first build i pushed at higher corruption and remember feeling "holy cow, this game is hard". Then I swapped to warpath void knight and with half the stats I was running 1.5k like drinking mojito

[inner finch]

HS took a hit in S3, but its still viable for people who want to finish endgame content

[tawny spire]

hell even if you switched to a blade dancer / or falconeer you would of been clearing 1500 with ease

marksman has always been a joke

[proper sluice]

There's is simply a design fault in balancing because defensive stats in comparison to damage scaling from mobs

[stable shoal]

Yo man check ask community chat cause for some reason cant post photo here thats enough confirmation for you

[tawny spire]

dj heart seeker cannot do end game content sorry

[inner finch]

Than everyone who clears endgame content with it is spoofing their gameplay

[proper sluice]

armor becomes much better that dodge between 1k and 3k corruption. Silver shroud becomes better than armor above 3k corruption

[inner finch]

We're back to "everyone is lying"

[stable shoal]

There is a guy at 2.7 corruption with cold hearthseeker if its that bad then how could he do it

[tawny spire]

if their main skill is heart seeker - they are not clearing uber it is actually not possible unless its a 30 minute fight

[tawny spire]

what helmet is he using

[stable shoal]

Idk i feel people think I cant make something work this must be trash

[proper sluice]

I mean, yeah you can offscreen from 1km away and pray you get weak shades of orobyss

I bet every shade of orobyss was a 30 minute fight

that's not fun

[stable shoal]

Didn't you say its a 1k corr one build seems not so much

[tawny spire]

even going full glass cannon with morning frost and 220 dex it takes heartseeker forever to kill anything

[stable shoal]

Btw you should be pushing corr with confluence of fate far better and less one shots

[tawny spire]

mainly because dusk shroud doesn't apply properly

LOL WHAT

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[proper sluice]

thats cheating

[stable shoal]

Trust me if it take him 30 min he aint playing that build

[proper sluice]

Just for the challenge, he might

[tawny spire]

@proper sluice again he doesn't play the game he watches videos and gets wrong information

[stable shoal]

Lmao what kind of argument is that

[proper sluice]

Trust, it is a pity party even at 1k corruption with heartseeker

If the guy did it he put an insane amount of effort

[tawny spire]

I am still waiting to see this heartseeker cold build doing 2.7k corruption

no link

nothing

[stable shoal]

Its literally made for that why you think the hp scaling is far less than normal shade i can tank the 5 at same time with my lich

[proper sluice]

I also think pushing above 1k corruption is useless tho, but that's a whole other topic

[tawny spire]

you can tank all 5 on your lich at 1k corruption - also bullshit

[stable shoal]

We are all minmaxers if we are playing above 1k corruption bud

[tawny spire]

1100 is a good farming point more 77 -6/7 loot for slamming

[stable shoal]

Nah pushing above its good as long it doesn't make you die a ton or takes forever to kill bosses more triple t7 gear from nemesis

[proper sluice]

Yeah but we know farming 500c is 98% as effective as farming 1200

[tawny spire]

who told you that

I can prove you that wrong in 10 words or less

[stable shoal]

We also know that nemesis get affected by corruption so a nemesis with 2k corr will have a better chance to give me triple t7 than a 1k

[proper sluice]

leeched data for 2T7 farming

[stable shoal]

So you should farm at 2k corr if you can handle it

[tawny spire]

nemesis is not affected never has been

[stable shoal]

If you are good and higher go for it

[tawny spire]

jazz whoever told you that is 100% wrong 1100 is the break point for 77 farming.

[obtuse bay]

huh

[proper sluice]

yeah it is true that corruption influences the chance of base items being exalted, but the increase is softcapped at 500k and almost hardcapped at 1200

[proper sluice]

There's a small increase, doesn't make much of a difference

[stable shoal]

Not what I said i said nemesis empowering

[proper sluice]

especially sicne you can compensate it farming faster

[proper sluice]

empowering has no modifications with corruption

[stable shoal]

Conquered tower nemesis will go bonkers at higher corr

[tawny spire]

it is a huge difference - you are listening to COF players who run with different % odds - so you need to specifcy 700 for COF only

[tawny spire]

correct

[stable shoal]

For exalted it does have an effect

[tawny spire]

and until a dev says it does I will show them data of 3,000 recorded nem kills it doesnt

[proper sluice]

I got my first 3T7 at 343 c from nemesis

[stable shoal]

Higher corr allows for it to give you an even possible 4 t7

[proper sluice]

never got any at 2k

[tawny spire]

also wrong

[proper sluice]

you can get a 4T7 even at 500, chance is minimal both at 500 and 2k c

[stable shoal]

I got some and higher corruption drops it more often have tons 2t7 and 1 t6 so almost triple

[tawny spire]

jella you are full of wrong information whoever the F you watch needs to stop spreading false information

I get 4t7 at 500 in COF all the time

[proper sluice]

but there's actually no point since we all know that it's hard to craft them into the specific affixes you want

[stable shoal]

Yo man I showed you the proof either you take it or not ,play at higher corruption if you need confirmation about things

[proper sluice]

Plus there's some crazyness about 3T7 as well but they are just non considered in the game design, you do nothing good with those unless by chance they roll with all the affixes you want. Good luck with that

[stable shoal]

A YouTube 1k corr or less every week aint beating a minmaxer ever

[acoustic palm]

I just had a burger

[proper sluice]

I did, but i didn't see any proof tbh 😂

[brittle hollow]

I’m thinking of getting popcorn. Getting salty here

[obtuse bay]

good content right here

[acoustic palm]

People debating like the game has more than 3 days of content.

[leaden pond]

Corruption does effect Nemesis. The rest is RNG
#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[stable shoal]

Typical YouTubers they know everything 🤣

[obtuse bay]

lisan el gaib

[stable shoal]

Just do some research took less than 5 min to find confirmation about stats and dots btw

[proper sluice]

Wait what are you ranting about now

[stable shoal]

Don't want to spread misinformation

[gritty helm]

🍵

[tawny spire]

Vapor players have proven this multiple times that it does not litterally 2 days after this post - most of us got muted or banned for correcting them with data

[proper sluice]

i thought we were having a civil discussion here

[stable shoal]

Go read bud

[muted cape]

Mmm Wengari BBQ

[proper sluice]

Still have to see your proofs man, just link them

[tawny spire]

Jella again - the dev information is wrong because if it wasnt - a ballista would not be 1 shotting orby at 28,000 corruption lol

[acoustic palm]

Mods can we please have more toxic emotes?

I feel like the current category can't allow us to fully express ourselves

[proper sluice]

I read quite a lot, tbh, I don't get why you are getting salty. I don't know everything and you don't either so let's try to get something real from this discussion rather than hate

[muted cape]

If you all want best minmax info ask my good friends over at maxroll, either lizard, bina, or volca.

[brittle hollow]

This whole channel has become a toxic emoji lol.

[gritty helm]

This reminds me of the times when I've played league of legends

[tawny spire]

pass lol there builds are hilarious and based around 200 corr for ease of use for players

[proper sluice]

I don't see any toxicity, let Jella prove his points

[muted cape]

I mean like actually talk to them

[tawny spire]

jella still hasn't shown off this 2.7k corr cold heart seeker build

[acoustic palm]

Check out the cat I found in #📚┃off-topic

[tawny spire]

Oh I have - I stand firm on my statement, it was like talking to averelli

[inner finch]

🚬

At least fresh bread is out at the bakery nearby, and you know im all about it

[acoustic palm]

🚬

[tawny spire]

@stable shoal where is this 2.7k cold build for heart seeker I AM STILL WAITING

[proper sluice]

Btw @stable shoal you called me a youtuber that's a first. Thank you! 😂

[acoustic palm]

Can you all please check the cat in off topic and give it a heart, thank you. Your support helps me continue making quality content

#📚┃off-topic message

[tawny spire]

you had me go look at a stupid cat?

[inner finch]

somehow, in the most ironic way

this sums up the last 15 minutes here

[acoustic palm]

❓

[proper sluice]

i love heated discussions about the game, it shows passion

[tawny spire]

that was not quality content - entertaining - or a valuable waste of my time. There are discords for cat lovers

[acoustic palm]

Dude that cat is pure feline

[inner finch]

I think the cat is absolutely adorable

[acoustic palm]

I know that we have poor taste since we are last epoch players but still

That cat is peak.

[tawny spire]

I hate cats disgusting animals

[south moat]

Nobody cares

Bad bait

[tawny spire]

my point exactly

[acoustic palm]

all my homies love cats

[tawny spire]

I am still waiting for this 2.7k heartseeker build @stable shoal whenever you want to share your source onthis

[obtuse bay]

@stable shoal I think I found your build https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1k8b3le/zhp_shadow_frost_heart_seeker_2000_corruption/ and items https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/-Aso-/character/WhiteBoba

[inner finch]

im ok with him sharing cat videos instead. I think there's plenty for everyone

[obtuse bay]

no tanky- focusing on off-screen kills

[muted cape]

last epoch is the best. I think I have played most games with minions in them, and they just dont scratch the same design itch. Grimdawn was good, but nothing else is even close for me. 🐻 🐯

[tawny spire]

this is season 2

[main frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezY_gmVBNs
MEANWHILE AT LAST EPOCH 💀 From Hawg

New meme videos is arrived. Full of fun as usual 👏 👏

[tawny spire]

Whiteboba
Marksman, Level 100
Tombs of the Erased

This is why I want people to site where they get this information from when they do not even play the game and say something is amazing

[obtuse bay]

have items changed?

[tawny spire]

build has

you are not doin it with this anymore lol

[obtuse bay]

I am asking though, I don't know If items have changed or not

[acoustic palm]

[proper sluice]

in the very video where he shows the first 2k corruption map where despite off-screening, he dies. As said, it is a pity party

[tawny spire]

Oh well first of all you don't need peak of mountain you can hit 120% crit just from the build itself - secondly it uses mourningfrost which takes already a nerfed build and makes you not viable again

[proper sluice]

ahahah

[obtuse bay]

mourningfrost got nerf?

[tawny spire]

no its a way to supliment damage - but you cant do that with heartseeker - main reason soon as you shoot out the projectile - and it recurvues - it is not based on your bow attack speed its an animation which slow down damage

the skill is inheritly flawed

[obtuse bay]

it must be still working then but it's not tanky

[tawny spire]

lolol Kirra - the best part is people are calling this pay to win ---- when if you READ THE POST --- you are basically paying to beta test some garbage while the old stuff isn't fixed yet - which I find even more hilarious, they are mad about the wrong thing

[tawny spire]

Uh My build is similar to this, and I can assure you - even at 200 corr you can get blasted into space by a random arrow out of a tree lmao

also boss killing - yea no lol

you can't use decoy you HAVE to have hail of arrows BS just to even kill a damn boss

the entire build is dot

[obtuse bay]

yes, but it literally kills the boss

you can't say, it can't

[tawny spire]

yes I can

[obtuse bay]

nah 😂

[tawny spire]

brother you could kill a boss in naked gear givin enough time and patience that is not argument for anything

[south moat]

You could show Soda the perfect build that does like 8k corruption and instakills everything and he'd go "that's from last season so it's not valid" even if it received no changes in patch

[tawny spire]

ah the ol Jelkor Blast Knife - also there is a build that does do that and is currently 30k+ for the people still doing it

[tawny spire]

also heart seeker took a fat nerf what are you smoking

surrounded by idiots I swear to god, you are the same people probably crying about a pay to win class, when it is actually beta testing a class facepalm

[obtuse bay]

wow, so you are better than us huh

[muted cape]

alright lets move on from this, I don't see any positive or constructive discussion

[proper sluice]

this escalated quickly

[tawny spire]

no this comment here - saying it did not recieve changes - so stupid

[main frigate]

Make sense. 21% recent positive review rate now.

Overall positive review rate is dropped from 83% to 81%

[tawny spire]

I am dying at some of these comments - people are so damn dumb, they do realize this "paragon class" is a throw mud at wall see what sticks --- and if its fully broken all you did was basically pay for something I am sure they will include like a profile icon or something. Its just a beta test of new class ideas - Hell it could be a Void Mage with a bow? No one knows

I am dying at this video though, on a positive note krafton isnt 10 cent

[muted cape]

hawg vids crack me up, the ehg and poe one was top tier comedy

one day i'll bring back my comics

[tawny spire]

I was really hoping to see a floating muffin in the baywatch one lol

just drowning and saying F it, I would of died laughing

any one know if there is a mana effiency totem or item for puncture to lower the mirage cost ?

[willow sentinel]

Sorry but I don't understand this part
You can keep shooting at the same speed

[nimble topaz]

when there will be some good news?

[willow sentinel]

Hopefully

[nimble topaz]

we are waiting since a lot of time

and i'd like to see Krafton incoming with some good news (maybe and i hope)

[willow sentinel]

🙏

[muted cape]

I have faith, always have

[nimble topaz]

we should have, also this game if i see the actual numbers is almost dead

[proper sluice]

most people have nothing left to do until season 4

[muted cape]

that's why it's my job to help community. last epoch isnt krafton, it's YOU and our devs.

[willow sentinel]

Numbers now aren't really representative of anything
We will have to see numbers when new seasons come out

[nimble topaz]

i stopped more or less after a week because i have almost done all the contents

the endgame is not enough

[willow sentinel]

Like most people

[muted cape]

I mean no arpg is enough 😄

[willow sentinel]

That's why looking at numbers now is a bit meaningless

[muted cape]

its the curse of the formula that we crave 🙂

[nimble topaz]

this is not correct. If you take poe 2 have 6 times the LE numbers. Same for D4. And that 2 are both worse compared to what people expect

i expect from LE much more

[muted cape]

not for season 2 though. season 2 had higher numbers then poe2's update

[tawny spire]

Oh morning vlad, when it recurves it is a set speed, it would actually be good if it recurved based on bow attack speed - basically you are shooting a slow dot to apply other dots into them

[willow sentinel]

Oh I see

[nimble topaz]

to be honest there are no games in the ARPG world to pick you attached to the screen for the whole season. I remeber when i was playing D3 i was always there for the entire season. Somthing is not working well in the ARPG world (and LE is not perorming well too)

[muted cape]

which gets me thinking.. HMMM maybe it doesnt matter how long the league dates are from eachother, as long as they are good people will always come back.

period.

it's a very fun rollercoaster ride. i'

i'm so pumped for season . lucky even numbers?

[tawny spire]

I think those of us who have played forever have all agreed the current model does not work, especially when the season brings something EHHHH ---- not to mention more broken things lol

[nimble topaz]

we need much more co-op contents

bring a seasonal theme is not enough

[muted cape]

yeah season 2 might actualkly need to be the base model design.

[main frigate]

I'll vote their contents by my fan art. If contents are attractive and satisfying, I will give them my gift :)

[muted cape]

content as large as that well now more.. so probably multiplay that however much upgraded dev resources they have

[proper sluice]

I just hope for a prohecy rework.

[muted cape]

yeah I think the worst thing to do for a game is rush. set a long term content of 2 massive updates, faster then an expansion, slower then trying to speed through quick margin deadlines

more flexibility, and freedom

[tawny spire]

I think its more of Ban - expectations VRS reality - set expectations to high - cannot deliver - then do a mud throw hoping it works

[muted cape]

well, with more job openings posted, maybe I should score the area for a genius developer

[main frigate]

emmmm last epoch have attached me for the whole season in 1.0 and 1.1. The side effect is I burnt out quickly in 1.2 and 1.3.

[muted cape]

so did the monolith system burned you out?

[main frigate]

Champions and possessed enemies

[muted cape]

have you tried not focusing on those objectives now? more options to farm.

[main frigate]

I must face them when I focusing on another things like prophecies, I can't avoid them 🤔

[nimble topaz]

that was the past. We are now in the future....

[muted cape]

have you tried mg?

[night marten]

currently as a player base, we want :

no campaign, but finish the campaign that is there so the game is 'done'

longer time between seasons so there are better mechanics, but less time inbetween seasons becuase its not enough game yet

more balance, but dont nerf the build I am playing cuz i dont want to waste time

more bug fixes and more/better mtx, but cannot take money to hire more people to do this and it needs to be done now and dont forget about the new season

[muted cape]

another solution is to play a build that does not require heavy proh farming. this is easily achieved if you only ever want to beat normal abby, and not ubber

[main frigate]

It mean I must start from zero 👀 I'd like to try MG

[willow sentinel]

I see what you did there

[main frigate]

All of my progress are offline so...

I'm thinking which build worth to play if I play le from zero again

[muted cape]

all based but 1, and 4

players want no campaign? it's in every arpg, and mandatory for a multitude of factors other then going from point a to point b.

[main frigate]

4 sounds funny hhhh

[muted cape]

4 is.... well they need to find the best people for ehg and not just anyone.

[tawny spire]

Well I mean mele is in such a horrible place - what do you even need uber abby for besides the relic you need for mele XD

[muted cape]

i'm never doing an uber boss unless theres a minion item in it

usaed to be for a long time i never did julra t4 because I could fARM the minion gloves already.

[tawny spire]

oh you mean one of the what 3-4 ways we can effecitiantly kill uber hahaha

[muted cape]

and under current conditions I could go beat uber abby rn on good old bear but I want to only beat a hard boss that has the minionm power I need to make it op

not be baseline op, but not weak.

[main frigate]

1.2 hooked me longer because I must grind to farm these woven echoes to try what are they and what are their sense. I don't interested in playing them again and again after I learnt their gameplay, includes... set item shattering

[muted cape]

right, you want more mechanics I know

I'm thinking the monolith system is like the hub of all

[main frigate]

Explain how print system work please! 👀

[muted cape]

we will stuff the monolith system even more

[calm zodiac]

sadly nobody understand printers, they got a mind of their own

[muted cape]

put the item you want inside to multiply the odds of finding similar or exact item that is imprinted. it's not required thouugh for anything other then high corruption

[main frigate]

hah yes. Let's grab @primal abyss to ask that :)

Good day, Van

[primal abyss]

Good daaay. What's up?

[main frigate]

Use the most simple and clear sentences to explain how print system work please! 👀

(how do you know which item is printed?)

[primal abyss]

as in imprinted?

I need this to be clear for context... because print and imprints are about to be two different things from me haha. I would say explaining imprinting won't be done in a single sentence

[south moat]

Hey there Van

[main frigate]

Oh... Yes. Imprinted.

[proper sluice]

@primal abyss I think he means "how do you know that any item dropped is actually an imprint proc rather than an organic drop?". Right, @main frigate ?

[main frigate]

Yes

[muted cape]

ok kira

[proper sluice]

I think you can't know for sure, unless it's clearly an outlier, drops with a pile of similar items, and it's similar to what you imprinted.

[primal abyss]

^^^

Yeah I was about to say, I could be mistaken but I don't think there is a sure 100% way to tell if it drops... I usually just check over the item types because if you imprint something, it's probably gonna be similar to what you're gunning for

its early still so ty for accepting early morning responses 😆

Let me have my water first

[muted cape]

yeah I can tell what items are imprtined based on its stats, and range roll.

bvecause rarely will an item you want have 100% exact rolls all the time unless you mirrior or get very very lucky or are imprinting an item that has very few range rolls of the affixes on the item

[main frigate]

why EHG choose this way?

EHG have explained another things pretty well, but they fall over seriously on imprint system

[primal abyss]

I believe in honesty and If I had a more specific response you were looking for or knew, I'd tell you. I joined after 1.2 😆 but if it's something you like to see change, you know to put that idea in #suggestions

[main frigate]

An angry bird brought a note that included a list and a ranking for that channel yesterday

Oh. That's why the bird wants to know how long a feature will take to implement from the concept

[tawny spire]

you came into the lions den on a monday Van - run

stupid question van is new averille right?

[night marten]

similar positions. but there is more than one CM

and van is an actual EHG employee, not just a contracted one like ave was

wick and derrick are also CM's

[tawny spire]

I am sure you remember my rage towards a couple contracted people lol, I do like wick, don't think I have met derrirk, Love muffin, so I give van a chance

[night marten]

derrick is super new

like within this last season

[copper sorrel]

Nice glasses @tawny spire fit you perfectly

[night marten]

but he is doing the dev streams in place of mike while he is out

[tawny spire]

ah okay lol thnx lariat, Yea I have been avoiding the discord because it has been infected with stupidity for awhile it seems way calmer now

[carmine smelt]

Y'all were mixed up, the "doesn't scale past 500c" or whatever was basically for exalted imprints specifically. As far as we know the nemesis exalts do scale, but those are just for getting imprint bases, once you have the base you do imprint spam. I don't think there is any "1100c breakpoint".

And even for the nemesis thing, you wouldn't necessarily farm at a higher C just because you run nemesis at a higher C. You could dedicate a specific timeline for conq towers at a desired C. If your goal is to imprint exalt farm it doesn't seem like even 100c vs 10000c has a noticeable difference in proc rate sadly.

I will say though that for nemesis, it's possible that IF affix tiers roll individually that higher chance for exalted might have an almost squared / cubed effect for 2T7 / 3T7, etc. I haven't actually dug into nemesis that much yet, if you have some collected data on nem exalts it would be cool to see.

[cosmic mortar]

when start new season?

iddk

[south moat]

"early 2026" is the info we have

[main frigate]

Hi... Don't pollute my Ave :(

She's the best CM :)

[acoustic palm]

I had a 2h nap, still no S4 news

I really wish LE reddit had path of exile feature of being able to go directly to a staff member comment

finding a -20 votes comment in a post is not easy lol

[obtuse bay]

If there is info, they share it in #news otherwise you don't need to read whole chat

[acoustic palm]

well, thats all LE content that we have at the moment

[kind latch]

If you're in a group with someone when an imprint appears to proc and it costs resonance to give to your party member, it's an imprint. If you're MG, and it's tagged MG, it's an imprint. If the slotted item has any tags, CoF, MG, Cannot be Traded, and the procced item is not tagged, it's not a procced imprint.

[carmine smelt]

I don't think that's true if the imprint base dropped while you were together, no?

I think the gift status is also copied, been a while though maybe Im forgetting

[stone edge]

Played a MUD, back in the day, that allowed that. Hero class, that could pick skills/abilities from any other class. Let's just say, it completely broke the balance of the game, and got removed rather quickly.

[tardy bison]

Poe does it good with scion

[rancid pulsar]

scion feels like none of the other classes to me idk

[kind latch]

I expect that you are correct. I'll test that tonight after work.

[rancid pulsar]

it stands on its own two legs and I prefer that over just cherrypicking stuff from each class

[kind latch]

If resonance is used to gift an item, do you need to use resonance to give it back?

[zinc blaze]

not the mud

[hearty urchin]

wait AI-first? lmao good luck silly redditors

[quick wraith]

bring back MUD games

[south moat]

<@&1161418687471956101> someone here needing a chill pill

[sleek merlin]

deinstalling and never touching this spineless shit again

[willow sentinel]

See you, have a good time

But next time you decide smth

[brittle hollow]

Sounds good! Good luck!

[willow sentinel]

We don't need to hear about it

[rancid pulsar]

yeesh

[copper sorrel]

Its still an opinion, thus valuable if you Strip it off its insults?

[willow sentinel]

It is

But I don't announce to everyone when I decide to change grocery store,
I don't go to the cashier to tell them their store sucks 😂

I just change store

[acoustic palm]

Big if true

[willow sentinel]

If I ever decide to leave my feedback, I'll make sure to get it in the proper channel

I.e > slash the owner tyres

[acoustic palm]

I wish my local shop had a discord for that

[quick wraith]

what about the ones who call my company and we wont give them free things so they decide to threaten to post about us on social media about how they are cancelling and why

[acoustic palm]

I'm dissapointed, but as the purple gent said, there are 10 other shops to visit, you can always wait for this one to restock

not like there is a rush

[brittle hollow]

I don’t know if that was a valuable opinion personally. It was an opinion for sure but.. wasn’t very valuable.. remove the insults and you get “I’m deinstalling this”

[acoustic palm]

He gains 40 gb of ssd space

[south moat]

I always go to the cashier to tell them "This place sucks, I'm never coming here again"
Only to realize I forgot to pick up something and be back to the same store in like hour

[acoustic palm]

IF EHG sends me a capybara irl, I may consider supporting them

[copper sorrel]

To convey your critics in a humorous way works best for me.

[acoustic palm]

Also, people have to realize that devs have no power over the game, you are threatening the wrong people

[brittle hollow]

That I can agree with.

[main frigate]

what have I missed?

[south moat]

Nothing important

[fathom canopy]

Do we have to wait that long?

Well, there's no other option!

[acoustic palm]

some league legends bronze to silver all chat commenfs

[fervent lintel]

Who do you think redditors really are?

[grim sinew]

What games that for

[fervent lintel]

It says on it

[proper sluice]

The only data we have is the leaked ones for the influence of "increased item rarity" from corruption on the drop rate for timeline boss items and their chances to have multiple LPs. And on those we see a logarithmic curve with an inflexion point around 500c.
Since in both cases we are talking about chances to reroll, and not really actual "drop rates", I don't know if it's safe to assume that exalted items behave in the same way in organic drops when rerolling the tier of their affixes... but from a design perspective, probably it would be the easiest way to make everything work similarly.
And that's why I would apply that same 500c "soft cap" all around, and not only for exalted imprints (which, I believe, means any random 2T7 exalted item, anyway, if I understood correctly).

That's what I meant when answering to Soda

[fervent lintel]

🇳 🇪 🇷 🇩

😄

[stone edge]

God, I wish. Most of them are just floundering, with a tiny group of wizzes that just idle about, or just use it for a chat app :\

[fervent lintel]

There's probably too little demand to "bring them back" tbh

Isolated groups of like-interested people can probably manage some, but that's likely all there is

[stone edge]

You know Social Media is a thing now, right? People now publicly announce every grievance, or perceived mistreatment, for the entire world to see (and hopefully pat them on the back for being so stunning and brave to bring it to light)

[fervent lintel]

They were the natural precursor to 3D MMOs, and the early magic of games like EverQuest and WoW is pretty much gone--there's no mystery behind them, too many failed knock-offs, and the ones that exist are mostly "solved."

[ancient sequoia]

so the highest I have ever seen my item rarity bonus off to the side in any echo is around 600% does it go much higher than that ? it was around 450 corruption.

[stone edge]

Yeah, it doen't make it any less sad. I would argue that many of the old-school MUDs were more immersive and/or brought many more hours of plyability/enjoyment.. than even the best games released today. It's just too many people are slaves to technology, and can't handle a text-based world.

[quick wraith]

ya was almost just like a chat room while killing mobs lol usually only 20-30 people on so was a cool tight group

[stone edge]

Not only that, but they were one of the only areas where dedicated players could actually contribute to the game's development

[stone edge]

One of my favorites had 50+ players online at any given time, during its prime. And there were others that would dwarf that number... Neverwinter comes to mind. Was never a fan of the dikumud base, i tended to play more lpmud

[quick wraith]

oh nice I tended to go to smaller ones but had one around 100 forgot name though

[stone edge]

but yeah, the groups were pretty tight, and even in the bigger games, everyone knew eachother

was fun how 'clans' would form on them, and they would compete for spawns or even fight eachother on the pvp MUDs

[quick wraith]

yea clans had like trials to join sometimes and lots of other group stuff going on

I remember joining a thief clan and we had to steal from some hard to reach monster or npc to get in

[fervent lintel]

Well, I kind of skipped a step in the point I was making. MUDs existed because there was a desire for an interactable, persistent, multi-player world. The early MMOs were the evolution of this desire.

The problem is that MMOs failed to evolve it further, and many struggle to merely survive, while many others fail to. I have thought about it a lot, and I think leveling systems are why they fail in the end. The cycle of "create character, level to max, do 'endgame,' and quit" is just unhealthy for something that is supposed to be a persistent world. I'm not saying there isn't a place for progression systems, but it can't be aimed at merely leveling and raiding.

[stone edge]

Yeah, thats the big problem i have with the newer MUDs.. with the older ones (Ultima/EQ), the rush to max level wasn't as important, since even players within 75/80% of max level could contribute

but now, with the maxlevel gatekeeping, it's impossible

so it's just a rush to max, since gear is obsoleted, so quick, between levels

[fervent lintel]

Level, gear score, parsing, blah, blah, blah... all if this crap aimed at "end game," which should be anathema to a persistent MMO.

[stone edge]

that's another thing.. i remember in EQ, when a top-tier drop, was still relevant 2 or 3 expansions later

now, everything is obsolete from patch to patch

get top ilvl, bis raid gear? well, it's outclassed by green drops in the next expansion

[fervent lintel]

Not just that, but it causes "raid logging"

These players are effectively not part of the game world anymore

[stone edge]

dps parsing is such a cancer on gaming communities

[fervent lintel]

I like parses. I dislike the abuse of them.

[stone edge]

mythicio is just an extension of "lets destroy the gaming community, all in the name of faster epeen progression"

[fervent lintel]

As a way for me to measure my own performance and compare A vs B vs C, I want to be able to run parses.

[stone edge]

yeah, they are great for personal use

but that's not how they work, unfortunately

[fervent lintel]

The problem is when you are allowed to see others parses--whether they are running a parser or not--you instantly introduce the toxic elements

[stone edge]

yep

[fervent lintel]

Namely, comparison

[stone edge]

and that elitist mentality becomes the driving force behind everything...

[fervent lintel]

Whereas with self-only parsing, you can only see others parses when they choose to share them, and that is usually in the name of looking for improvement/help

[crimson obsidian]

P2W = game over

[stone edge]

yeah, and thats how it was early on.. but it was also because the parsers weren't 100% accurate, depending on chat filters

[fervent lintel]

And latency

[stone edge]

but now, the games themselves cater to full-parsing

[maiden sky]

@kind latch the only clear indication I have ever seen on an imprint drop has been “cannot be traded.” Same as how EE drops.

The other thing I have tested and tried multiple times are imprints always require obsidian to trade.
I haven’t tested retrading an imprint.

[fervent lintel]

I think of RS didn't have the open pvp element, I might have given it a try at some point. Plenty else about the game looks appealing.

[stone edge]

i was actually in a guild that would stop after every boss fight, and evaluate where everyone's performance was, compared to the raidlog community

[fervent lintel]

Yuck

[stone edge]

and if someone had 2 bosses of <75% performance, they were replaced

it was such cancer

RuneScape?

[fervent lintel]

It's that Jurassice Park meme of, "You were so busy trying to figure out if you could, you never stopped to ask if you should."

[carmine smelt]

I dont think we can draw many conclusions on how exalts work from uniques and LP, there are a lot of differences there. We also can't necessarily assume exalts work the same in nemesis as random drops, or as imprints.

What we do know is that for imprints corruption does scale unique LP, but it doesn't really give you more 2T7s. It seems like imprints have a strict set of rules that start with your given input then make various modifications to it to end up at the final result.

Some mechanics seem to take corruption as an input (like imprints but not nemesis) for LP, but others not, and the ones that dont seem to just default to 0 corr level 100 area if none provided, or a lower area level if provided.

For legendaries in nemesis it seems like the added affixes and tiers work like weaver will with a number of tiers added based on LPL and a 25% or so chance to add the tier to a new affix instead of existing when applied.

For exalts its likely different with some base weightings for each tier and some modifiers that can increase the chance for the given tiers. (Eg. More exalt for COF boosting both, more T7 further boosting T7).

I also don't think it just adds a certain number of tiers as going from T3 to T5 seems more common than T5 to T7.

My hunch is that "rarity" for exalts modifies the weights of T6 and T7 affixes similar to how corruption modifiers LP. But corruption to LP has a behind the scenes curve, while I'm not sure if rarity does the same. Its also possible that rarity has a different "curve" for item tiers than it does for rarity as "exalt" vs "magic" vs "normal" is more of a pseudo item rarity than "set" vs "unique" vs "exalt/magic/normal"

[stone edge]

I've found that many some open PvP communities aren't that bad.. especially the older ones

because they actually WELCOME newer players, because they rely on them to keep the game afloat.. instead of scaring them off with contant PvP abuse

might be worth just trying it for a bit, and seeing where that community falls

i havent looked much into RS myself... although I have been considering giving some older games a chance

[fervent lintel]

Nah, open PvP in general is a hard pass for me. PvP and progression systems don't mix, and I absolutely abhor systems that take your gear away.

[stone edge]

because newer games are too 'insta-gratification' for my liking

[fervent lintel]

If I want to PvP, I'll play a game designed around it

[stone edge]

oh yeah, those are a hard 'no' for me as well

expecially online, where my death might not always be my fault

Shadowbane was an AWESOME pvp game

😉

[fervent lintel]

Especially at the hands of a griefer

[stone edge]

i think it's been shutdown for a while now tho

i generally hate pvp, but i really enjoyed Shadowbane

[fervent lintel]

Like, imagine playing LE and you're cruising through some monos, minding your own business. Then some dude randomly enters the zone, is way higher level/better geared than you with a PvP-oriented build, and just wrecks you while you never stood a chance. Then he gets to take your gear.

Absolutely no thanks.

[proper sluice]

that's dope insights. Thanks, man. Always appreciate your precision. I follow you on this hunch that magic/rare/exalt is a continuum from normal items, rather than having a different set of rules for each rarity. But probably with some extra rules. For example, T7 never drop before lvl 90 monoliths, but it might as well be seen as just an additional rule when the tier rerolls (something like: check area level - if more than 90, don't reroll, if lower reroll).

[stone edge]

fully agree there.. lvl-limited pvp is the only way to go in an open-world like that. to prevent that maxlvl vs newbie griefing, that just destroys new players from wanting to continue

Dark Age of Camelot or LOTRO had well done pvp... where the majority of the game was pve, but then they had specific zones just for pvp/rvr

i had fun with LOTRO's pvm (player vs monster) take on it..

[fervent lintel]

ESO did okay on its PvP because there was a AvBvC faction zone for limited world PvP, and it had team vs team battlegrounds. The PvP was all opt-in, so I really enjoyed it.

[candid olive]

Just heard the news that EHG sold out the company and now they are running a scam game. Pay for a game, release virtually no content over a year and then sell for big money to charge more for the content. Nice bait and switch.

[lament apex]

Greetings all, havent played this since '23, I hear lots of things have changed for the worst, but this is my itch, and hopefully LE scratches it 😄

My hopes is I can just craft ridiculously powerful avatars and have fun w/o needing to care about all the pay to win crap.

[brittle hollow]

I’m like 90% certain it’s the same accounts logging in or same people making multiple discord accounts just to say the same thing over and over again now…

[candid olive]

Or how about just accept that people are upset

[fervent lintel]

Nah, it's herd mentality from watching biased content creators and coming here to repeat the mid takes

[candid olive]

Check my chat history. I have been critical even before.

[fervent lintel]

So have I

I'm not opposed to criticism

It's just lame when people come in randomly all saying the same thing

[candid olive]

Well I came to say it because I just found out about it

[fervent lintel]

And all lacking the other context

[candid olive]

I have the context, but it doesn’t change the facts.

[fervent lintel]

Which context do you think I mean?

[lament apex]

From my standpoint, I bought the game on a promise in '23. However, I am just not going to engage in that change and hopefully it doesnt detract from my enjoyment.

[fervent lintel]

Fair

[candid olive]

Wait until the content drops for a DLC and it’s 50 bucks. They paid 90 million. They are going to get a return on their investment.

[fervent lintel]

They are going to try

[candid olive]

The paradox class is just a pilot program. They will continue to charge for stuff.

[lament apex]

I saw the bit about classes being locked behind pay walls, but thats just classes they have added right?

All my original 5 are still playable.

[fervent lintel]

Yes

Classes they will add*

[lament apex]

Then I have the game I paid for, no harm no foul.

[candid olive]

It’s a pilot program. Soon they will add new ascendencies and make you pay for those too.

[fervent lintel]

They still broke the promise, but that's a reasonable way to look at it

[candid olive]

You do, but remember how they said they were working on so much cool stuff? All that is paywalled now.

[lament apex]

I just gotta get to mid January when Hytale releases, so i am digging deep in my steam library till then 😛

[fervent lintel]

You don't know what is or isn't. You're being reactionary and assuming a lot.

[fervent lintel]

Try Pillars of Eternity 2, if you haven't

One of my fav games

[lament apex]

I did great with the first one, loved it even. But it takes a long time to build up and I dont want to pay for games seeing as I have Hytale coming. Ashes of Creation and the whole EA debacle is also really screaming at me and I am resisting...

[fervent lintel]

Pillars 1 is a lot slower paced than 2, but also missing one of the best features of 2--dual classing

[stone edge]

I'm actually more curious about their statement regarding the seasonal/expansion content itself: "Anyone on PC who owns Last Epoch before the launch of the Orobyss expansion will receive the expansion as a free update. New players and PlayStation 5 players will be purchasing Last Epoch, all of its seasonal content, and the Orobyss expansion as one updated purchase."

I mean, that's how it works, for 'free expansion content' -- if you own the game, the expansionis free. Why elaborate this much?

[fervent lintel]

Yeah, basically they are probably going to raise the price but include the expansion with the game so they don't have a fragmented player base.

[lament apex]

I will more than likely try it on its next sale, I did not know about the dual classes. I have played the heck outta Grim Dawn for that very reason.