💬┃general

[simple bison]

Which is about 43%

(500/350)

[chilly ember]

yeah but if you don't wanna go zhp you're gonna need to give up at least a couple 2nd slams for res that could otherwise be damage so it works out to not quite that much

but it's in that ballpark

[simple bison]

True, let's say 30 or 35%

Still a decent chunk of damage

But you lose out on a lot of suffixes for sure

[chilly ember]

it is, but the opportunity cost of it is pretty high on a build that already has more than enough damage to go around

[simple bison]

Yep

[mint breach]

anyone know why I cant see nemises spawns but my partner can?

[ornate urchin]

when is season 4 starting?

[simple bison]

In around a month and a half to two months

No official date

[indigo mist]

Do we have news on when the next cycle will be?

Oh nvm i just saw the text above me cool thanks.

[willow sentinel]

There is sometimes a bug with nemesis being invisible

I had it for a while

And now I dont

[south moat]

Maybe they just had camouflage on

[woven sentinel]

Can't believe it's Friday already. Not long now until finished work and then can continue either on my spinny spinny bayblade or my Uber killer

[south moat]

Spinny boi while listening to eurobeat

[primal abyss]

👀

Not me taking a peek to say Happy Friday to you all.

[south moat]

Happy Friday to you too

[main frigate]

Just admit that, we know take a peek is your jobs.

[primal abyss]

Maaybeee

[main frigate]

eeebyaaM

[south moat]

A bee? oh no

[primal abyss]

[willow sentinel]

I am having a nice Friday, could turn into an amazing one with a road map... Just saying

Go on Vandryll, just click send

[main frigate]

Judd will see your desire I believe

[severe socket]

👋

[main frigate]

Long time not see Van post any announcements, it's time for Van's turn

[primal abyss]

Is it my turn?

Welp, if I had something to announce...I'd totally would but I don't have anything to share right now.

[main frigate]

well I hope you have checked out my request about incoming event in January 2026 sent by modmail

Oct. 16th is the date I sent that message

I want it can be happened literally.

[south moat]

I've got a road map for you

[primal abyss]

Thank you for mentioning this ~ will take a look!

[main frigate]

🤷‍♀️ Alright. My messages are ignored as expected

Make sense that why no respond for a while

:(

[south moat]

It might've been read by someone else already

But it's not like they can just say "Oh yes, we'll have an event for that"
They might already be planning one but can't confirm

At best they could say "Thank you for the suggestion" or something similar to that

[main frigate]

Good chance for me to face-to-face EHG members.
Good chance for EHG learn more about their players.

It's double win.

[south moat]

Oh man
Been blasting some Eurobeat today
It has been a good day so far

[main frigate]

Just a normal day for me

and Friday is gone, Saturday now

[turbid silo]

Hey all, happy Friday!

[south moat]

u2

[turbid silo]

Thanks!

I'll be chillin in Discord again in voice playing and hanging out

[inner finch]

[main frigate]

Something in the text channel of your voice channel wait you to check

[turbid silo]

We may not be understanding the question the way you're phrasing it to us

[main frigate]

🤔 emmmmmm... So Van still no idea what am I asking

The question is I don't know why are they don't understand my questions too

[glacial crow]

the muffin knows everything

[turbid silo]

It's because the questions aren't grammatically correct and hard to understand

There's a language barrier unfortunately

[south moat]

Yes, there is language barrier

[main frigate]

lol muffin is busy at finding which brand of maple syrup will in its bag

[turbid silo]

Muffin would provide the same answers as we did regarding the event.

[glacial crow]

disturb its slumber and you will know everything

[turbid silo]

or refer you to my team

[glacial crow]

so be careful what you ask for

[turbid silo]

Happy to try to answer anything you ask us as best we can given we understand your questions 🙂

[glacial crow]

can we have a werewolf store skin for the werebear at some point?

[turbid silo]

Great to add to the #suggestions channel!

[main frigate]

I'm not sure about that because they're quite short

[turbid silo]

The length of a question doesn't impact whether it can be understood or not

[main frigate]

Yes so I wonder where is going wrong

[turbid silo]

Not sure what you are asking for with the whole role part

[glacial crow]

To submit a suggestion be sure to use the following format:

Title: [10 Character Minimum]
Suggestion: [50 character minimum]

theres nothing i can do

[main frigate]

.... Thanks, I'm not talking about that.

[turbid silo]

You have to submit it in that format. Example:

Title: I would like to suggest a new skin for the MTX Store
Suggestion: I would like to add a werewolf store skin to the MTX store for the werebear. I think this would be a great addition.

[main frigate]

I don't know which further explanation EHG want for discord role thing. Can you share which concern do you have?

[turbid silo]

I don't have a concern cause I don't understand what you're asking

[glacial crow]

i cut and paste what you said and it worked

[turbid silo]

nice 🙂

Has to be at least 10 characters in the title and 50 in the suggestion to make itw ork

[main frigate]

oh I see. Maybe I don't provide enough info about the role

[glacial crow]

we'll be howling at the moon in no time!

[obtuse bay]

hello everyone

[main frigate]

yes I want to know why

No language barrier here :)

[obtuse bay]

imagine derrick says "why not"

[gentle mauve]

hey @carmine smelt

what is the rotation here 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPYIMj4adPk

[glacial crow]

as a muffin apologist i state that he's too busy to answer you mere mortals

[turbid silo]

Why what?

[gentle mauve]

An "autobomber" in Last Epoch is a character build that requires very little player input, allowing it to deal damage simply by walking.

maybe no rotation there 😄

[obtuse bay]

do you think lightning aura will be more popular than fire aura?

[gentle mauve]

I really do not know anyting for mages, i have tried other frozensentinel LB but playstyle was terrible for me

I have found this video above and its only walking so i can try it :d

idk why but i want to leveling again from 0

thats some brain issue 😄

[obtuse bay]

same goes for me lol, I like reflect shaman, nearly 900 corruption, but my next season character will be mage for sure

[gentle mauve]

We can try together this build

[obtuse bay]

trying new chars and skills is fun tho

[gentle mauve]

When i have killed uber 5000 times with my necro abom i am very calm about the game

😄

[gentle mauve]

i am scared from my jokes

So God please keep me safe

❤️

[obtuse bay]

I thought only mike was playing necro nice job man, I just killed my abby yesterday

[gentle mauve]

I want to do it with frozensentinel build too , and make him even more popular 😄

[gentle mauve]

I love the necro playstyle, i think i am very lazy

[carmine smelt]

Pretty sure I explain that early on in the video. But there isn't really a rotation. You just use arcane ascendance after focus. Drop wall down for more damage. Use tp when you want mobility or wrongwarp buff refresh.

[gentle mauve]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1ogyq2i/finally_i_have_killed_uber_abberoth - look at my theme here, 34K views

😄

[main frigate]

Ok I see... The even isn't attractive enough

[gentle mauve]

Ohhhhhhh, i am so happy for you, the feeling is incredible

this boss is just legendary i hope they will create 2-3 bosses more for the next season

[turbid silo]

Really not understanding you, I'm sorry

[main frigate]

lol...... what hhhhhhhh

[obtuse bay]

watching the video, I like how you command minions lol

[gentle mauve]

Hahahahahaha

[obtuse bay]

you memorized uber's patterns

[gentle mauve]

yes i know everything about the fight

[obtuse bay]

its like speedrun kind of video lol

[gentle mauve]

if you wake me up at 3AM night

[main frigate]

Maybe Wick can understand.

[gentle mauve]

i will explain you everything

[glacial crow]

as in John Wick? im sure if he cant understand with bullets, he'll do his best to go to school and decipher your cryptic murmurings

[obtuse bay]

nah, sleep is more important

[south moat]

No
Ehg wick

[main frigate]

The same trouble again... I'm sorry too

[glacial crow]

who knows, the wick is everywhere

[gentle mauve]

check this video 😄

I am joking with him here D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R7TJ5Zohms

[main frigate]

oh uberroth can call Wick too lol

[south moat]

#🎥┃video-shoutout

[versed nest]

is the dev stream in roughly two and half hours?
time changes got me confused

[south moat]

yes

[gentle mauve]

@obtuse bay what is your main classbuild

[turbid silo]

You can try asking the question again.

[obtuse bay]

reflect shaman, this was a long fight lol

[gentle mauve]

How minutes in uber fight

[obtuse bay]

I've never played uber, just aberroth

[gentle mauve]

oh D

[obtuse bay]

I'd die instantly without knowing how to dodge I have 2k hp

no wards

[main frigate]

Due to this question is at the dead end, let's switch to another question.

||I want to exchange something by fan art collection. EHG will not give money reward so I think roles is a good idea. It cost EHG nothing.||

[gentle mauve]

I remember when i killed regular abby for first

i was happy almost all day

😄

[obtuse bay]

I waited 3 days to kill aberroth

[turbid silo]

Sadly, we don't have a program or anything in place where we give roles in Discord for fan art.

[obtuse bay]

it was actually worth

[gentle mauve]

Ok, so you need to upgrade yourself to start fight with uber one

[main frigate]

Ok we're on the same channel now. Yes it's why I ask.

[obtuse bay]

yes and If you are up for a game, I have 15 harbinger eyes

come, join the game xD

[gentle mauve]

i have 200 maybe idk

i am not logged

😄

[main frigate]

As this logic, I guess Derrick don't understand what I have asked in suggestions too... Alright

[obtuse bay]

neverlucky, another time xD

[gentle mauve]

prepare yourself for uber and i will help you to kill him

😄

[obtuse bay]

⚔️ 🛡️

not again...

who are you dude

[main frigate]

another hacked people

[obtuse bay]

he is coming here to share same pictures everyday, so stubborn

[woven sentinel]

hi

bayblading time

[gentle mauve]

@woven sentinel hey booky 😄

Where are you my boi

[woven sentinel]

bayblading in echos

[gentle mauve]

ill slap your 01!

dont kill my lovely mobs

brother 😄

[woven sentinel]

food time brb

[obtuse bay]

uber eats

[glacial crow]

so abby is general aberoth and ubby is the uber version

i want to eat a ubby pizza

[woven sentinel]

do u have any ubers set?

[glacial crow]

my stash is clouded with all kinds of crap

i think LE is too lenient on stash size

while D4 barely lets you have anything

[woven sentinel]

time to do a stash clearout then, i cleared out all my non lps and kept lp1s,lp2s,lp3s, i cleared like 11 tabs

[glacial crow]

are you really a grandpa, how old are you?

[severe socket]

There's no such thing as too lenient.

[woven sentinel]

30 next friday, it was a joke between a member and i, i moaned at being 30 next friday and they said ur a gaminggranpa now lol

[severe socket]

← 38yo, youngster.

[glacial crow]

well that makes me older than i wanted

regardless, sorry my stash is a mess, and im drunk right now so i cant be much of help

[woven sentinel]

well i did LP1S in lp1 tabs, etc and u will clear so many tabs trust

[severe socket]

Drunk is a state I'll never truly understand since I have no bad habits at all. 🤷‍♂️ 😅

[glacial crow]

well mr. perfect, maybe imperfection will be a fresh new start

[severe socket]

Nor will I ever understand why do people WANT to get drunk in the first place.

[glacial crow]

drunk, and possibly high too. i got some grass on the side

[woven sentinel]

drink away bad thoughts, pain etc multiple reasons why

[severe socket]

Fair enough for some people, I guess, but definitely not for me. Powered through a number of losses within both immediate families over the last 6-7 years.

[woven sentinel]

@obtuse bay what u needing from uber abberoth??

😛

[obtuse bay]

food splitter

[severe socket]

So a chef's knife? 🤪

[woven sentinel]

haha yeah blacksun then, thought u needed the relic or something

[severe socket]

Speaking of... FOR THE LOVE OF, I REQUIRE A DECENT FRYING PAN

My cooking is HORRID because my current one is such a fossil that literally EVERYTHING sticks to it unprovoked.

[woven sentinel]

right im gonna jump off and rest.had a crap day and wanna forget about it all

[severe socket]

Rest is something that evades me like a plague. Haven't had a proper sleep in years now.

By design apparently.

[glacial crow]

vampires like me sleep a lot, although technically i only need 4 hours of sleep

thats half of the average human

after 4 hours im fine

i think what i do afterwards is because i just enjoy it

[frank ridge]

any funny build for paladin with 2h weapon?

[glacial crow]

isnt that void knight?

i believe ive seen 2h options in the tree there

the idea is of the void knight "im a blackguard, im rebelling against the sword+shield convention, so im taking the arthas "fk u all" route"

which btw, is an excellent concept, because i hate paladins, and making an anti-paladin is the way to go

[chilly ember]

idk about “funny” but javelin and crit hammer are both great paladin builds that use 2h

[obtuse bay]

dev stream shoutout

after last stream Ive seen some people in chat who didn't know about it and got surprised

[jagged dock]

guys how can increase my coruption i been doing the whole maps but dont see it go up

[obtuse bay]

you need to find special echo (called Echo of World) in your monoliths that gives corruption, it is always same echo and looks like this #📚┃off-topic message

[jagged dock]

thank you

[jagged dock]

im watching a video from 3 years ago on how to farm will anything have change?

to the current path

[obtuse bay]

nope. fast way to farm corruption is same

1. how much corruption do you want
2. farm corruption in the SAME monolith repeatedly until reaching your desired corruption
3. other monoliths have catching-up system for corruption, let's say you have 1000corruption in just 1 monolith and when you play other monoliths and destroy Echo of World, the corruption will increase wildly and other monoliths will have the same corruption which is 1000 🔥

[obtuse bay]

NEW ITEM DROPPED ON STREAM. LFG!!! 🔥

[night marten]

looks very good imo. hope it looks like that in game

[inner finch]

[muted cape]

Whats that?

Hmm my internet too slow right now

[night marten]

mikes teaser

or at least one of...i got to the stream late

[cobalt fable]

it will be funny if they release close to poe 2 ||again||

[glacial crow]

muffin will destroy krafton

muffin invented chrono trigger, he will reinvent how to walk again

[cobalt fable]

prayge

[glacial crow]

dont sneak that poe crap in here

class identity is sacred in an actual rpg

i dont want gems to define my class, i want my own skill tree

poe = worse than d4

poe is for hipster losers

[worldly fossil]

[glacial crow]

its cool to be right

i told you, snakes and wolves are trying to sneak that poe garbage in

but dont let them

as lysette said, an rpg without rpg is an oxymoron

[south moat]

But aren't you lysette?

[glacial crow]

i agree with a lot of wat she said, and i sort of took inspiration from that

[south moat]

Also poe and LE have very largely same player base.

[south moat]

Yeah, right...

And I guess there's way more "hipster losers" than LE player base

[glacial crow]

yeah i cant be friends with someone b/c that would make me the suspect

fine whatever you want

and its weird how youre tracking every user, dont you have a life?

[south moat]

I do
Just some people stand out a lot

Like you. always saying you're drunk or high

[glacial crow]

i dont give a damn about her, i voice my own opinion.

and i am sober fyi

if she wants to destroy herself thats on her

[south moat]

#💬┃general message

[glacial crow]

damn drugs, i hate that shit

[worldly fossil]

[south moat]

#💬┃general message

Clearly sober.

[glacial crow]

she hates discord, you want me to bring her in?

i can, but obviously i have to pay her or something

[south moat]

Whatever you say.

[glacial crow]

if i was her, i wouldnt be making drama for attention. i only care about gaming content

[south moat]

Right.

[glacial crow]

better believe it, now moving on

if i was her, then go ahead and check our IP adresses, they will not match

im in usa, she's in new zealand

[south moat]

Because vpn is not a thing
And surely a random discord user can check your ip.

[glacial crow]

just make sure you check for the usual suspects because obviously we got nothing better to do

sigh, lets just move on

[cobalt fable]

this guy is even more problematic than me

poggers

[glacial crow]

yeah im here to sabotage you all, bohoo

jeez i cant even say anything

ask yourself, what is my motivation?

none = obviously

some semi-indie dev studio doing whatever they can, obviously theyre not listening to an iota what youre saying

theyre pretending desperately that they do, but they dont

[south moat]

They're not even pretending.

[glacial crow]

and thats truly the sad part

i feel bad for this studio, i really do

they promise everything with talk like "we're better than triple a slop", but deliver nothing

[south moat]

You're welcome to make suggestions in #suggestions

Just writing stuff in the general is not the way to make suggestions.

[glacial crow]

its okay im not here to bring you down, im just dissapointed that LE has so many ideas and wonderful mmo-lite aspirations, that they're just not delivering

i feel like im taking crazy pills

mike says in his streams "yeah yeah, we're working it"

but the truth is, theyre not

[south moat]

Ah, I see you have insider knowledge about what they're doing.
Maybe you should post their roadmap.

[glacial crow]

unfortunately i know too much yes

its so cynical i want to cry

i absolutely despise when certain devs gives so many false promises but dont live up to it

"yeah guys, i love it, it sounds awesome, we'll implement this idea, like never okay? but we're still cool right?"

thats how you stab someone in the back with a pretty smile

mike, with all due respect, you need to stop playing the rockstar, and start actually making a game

arpgs is a complex business, you need to focus

and listen, if you cant do it, i got a team who can. we'll make median xl in diablo better than ever before

if im not totally insane.. i believe i read somewhere in-between, that LE aims to the best arpg? well you got an EXTRMELY, long way to go

you got a good baseline, class identity, and all that

but thats not enough, you need to go further

now MIKE. instead of playing the fake rockstar on your every livestream on the weekends. why not actually live up to the hype?

the silence speaks for itself. now get to work, you have 5 years ahead of you if youre going to beat d4 and poe

you might stone me to death, but in 10 years from now you'll thank me

[night marten]

Mike isnt incharge of LE. He streams cuz he wants to, not cuz he has to. Just like all the ehg people there

Also please tune down the personal attacks

[glacial crow]

mike is too softcore is my point. he's so cute and fancy, to the point where' truly not going to see changes

did you notice he makes so many wonderful promises that never come true? go figure

[night marten]

He never promises anything acutally.

He is a voice at the table. But again he isnt in charge of le

[glacial crow]

yeah thats my point. mike will deliver absolutely nothing in your 2 hour live stream of listening to him

[night marten]

He isnt supposed to tho

You are bashing him for not doing something that he isnt supposed to do

[obtuse bay]

If you had signed NDA, would you leak some updates?

[glacial crow]

im not bashing anyone, im just lamenting that there's nothing that can be done in the grand scheme of things.

[obtuse bay]

big picture

[glacial crow]

its just like politics you know. they give you the prettiest smile, but deliver nothing

[obtuse bay]

even we hate too, nothing we can do

[south moat]

Ah yes
not leaking whst's coming in an update is the exact same as politics

[glacial crow]

im sorry if i destroyed your expectations

[obtuse bay]

btw did you see stickers

this is my man xD

[south moat]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[night marten]

I mean i was here

[simple bison]

You're allowed to voice feedback and criticism but remember to follow the rules please.

[south moat]

Just in case you had left, mate

[night marten]

Lol. Its all good

[strange umbra]

WHO HAS DISTURBED MY SLUMBER

lol ❤️

[simple bison]

Oh god not this guy ❤️

[south moat]

It might've been me

[honest belfry]

I wasn't sleeping but... same question

[strange umbra]

rofl

[south moat]

And with that I'm going back to sleep

[muted cape]

Get back in the server box!

[glacial crow]

i have a great inspiration for you guys, remember the 1990 IT movie? i am eternal child? i am forever

consider it, it will work

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/vmuu4Phzlxb.gif

[glacial crow]

the muffin agreed, I AM ETERNAL, ME, I AM EAT THE EATER WORLDS AND OF CHILDREN

[simple bison]

Is that a gif from a different language with English overlayed on top

Classic

[main frigate]

which word is fleshing on the gif

[glacial crow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw1lBodVv8

[strange umbra]

lol probs

[glacial crow]

Kill me? me you are priceless brat

[muted cape]

Btw whats for thanks giving?

[obtuse bay]

Nein 🐇

[glacial crow]

I am ETERNAL

[obtuse bay]

eggs?

van 👀

wait he's not here, the joke is over xd

[glacial crow]

do you know what the kids are resisting?

making a good game

we dont want that

[strange umbra]

bacon cheddar muffins

[glacial crow]

how many calories is that?

you probably dont know what to know

[night marten]

👀 you have my attention

[muted cape]

Can only imagine muffins greatness guys insane chef

[glacial crow]

muffin executes youre timely death with overdosing on calories

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/ZycY.gif

[glacial crow]

which is actually a great way to make an arpg

kill em all right?

yeah you see, muffin supports mass destruction

good man, bless his heart

because, now listen carefully, there can be no hippies in an arpg!

you have to kill em, all, kill kill killl

[strange umbra]

[glacial crow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvPnrT84Z3M

KILL KILL KILL

i was once awoken by the moon then i wondered what did it want?

BLOOD

[strange umbra]

Ive got the epoch tattooed on my hand - im time traveling to the 1960s - you cant stop me

☮️

[glacial crow]

i told you, the muffin is gonna destroy us all

im gonna hide under my bed

[strange umbra]

[honest belfry]

Curious to know how I will be destroyed. Defeating an eldritch horror has never been done before

[glacial crow]

the muffin is the lovecraftian deception, make war, make love nonsense, its all just a smoke screen like that overpowered rogue smoke ability

he's going to get us all

but you know what i like it, i want to be part of the cosmic horrors

sign me up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvPnrT84Z3M

almost got them, almost, but we'll finish the job. kill them all!

im going to go back, and im going to kill them all

the LE team will abide by the cthulhu clown

its inevitable

kill them all, let none tell you different

[icy burrow]

hey, in season 2 when i played, every time i did "X" to show the hidden itens by filter it shows the rule number of the filter that was hiding the item, that doesnt work anymore? im not seeing the rule number...

English is not my first language, forgive me for the mistakes 🥹

[glacial crow]

its too bad, i was just waiting to murder the entire world

but okay

check your item filter again. the trick is to not add too many rules to a singular rule

so just go step by step and then it will work with you

[simple bison]

If you go in into the filter menu it'll show you the numbers

Shift + F

[glacial crow]

there's an unspoken bug, if you add too many rules to a singular, its going to decompress

which is just like the map bug that should be fixed

just add one simple to each rule and you'll be ok

so many damn bugs, fix it you guys

because quite frankly i want to add 33 different rules to a single loot filter, but it wont let me its just gonna bug out

so to compensate i just create different loot filters for a single one, that should be evident in the first place

are you bearing with me? the loot filter only works to a certain extent is what im saying

[icy burrow]

thank you so much, only can see the number if the filter window is open the same time 🫰🏼🙏🏼

[glacial crow]

dont thank, they still havent figured if they wanted horizontal or vertical progresssion

they havent even fixed the godamn map for fux sake

instead lets make 2 hour livestreams every week to keep the fans happy

now dont get me wrong, i love the game, i love the baseline on making your own build

but you have to take it much further than that

[worldly fossil]

im happy

[glacial crow]

doggy bone for you

i want to state i absololutely despise mike for just showing up and not delivering

so many ideas i agree with him

and so much thats never going to happen

mike reminds me of santa claus

yay, im here, and yet i dont exist!

[worldly fossil]

who is mike

[glacial crow]

indeed

[worldly fossil]

sings u a song bcuz jone waste yore toye monme yorall redii the voice insoide moye yedd

[glacial crow]

is that irish or welsh?

[worldly fossil]

[glacial crow]

the irish are pretty much useless. atleast the welsh produced christian bale

yeah but what about absu thats cool black metal band

only their first album

and they're essentially texan anyway

barathrum vitriol is their only good work

[halcyon sable]

hello, any date new season?

[simple bison]

Somewhere around late december (no official date)

[halcyon sable]

=((

[calm badge]

is there any list of allowed names?

ALL NICKNAMES ARE UNAVAILABLE AND THE ONES THAT I WANT TO PUT ARE NOT GIVEN BY THE GAME ITSELF AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[glacial crow]

kudos to this channel taking all kinds of crap, thats how you make a great game

unlike the d4 channel where even your dog is censored

thats why LE is going to beat them all

may the muffin be with you all, bye

[simple bison]

Like for your in-game account? it should just be able to use your steam username

[steady bison]

Any pros here can help me

[south moat]

Just ask the question

[woven sentinel]

morning

[south moat]

Gm

[woven sentinel]

how u

[south moat]

Tired, and you?

[main frigate]

hungry

[woven sentinel]

worn out from gym

[glacial crow]

youll never be ronnie coleman, but at least you can get inspired

[woven sentinel]

not trying to be ronnie coleman

just trying to loose weight

[glacial crow]

ronnie is great though

i used him as inspiration when i used to workout

even if jay cutler beat him i dont care

[main frigate]

My mum cooked another unique dish tonight: Sweet black pepper beef stir fry with sweet purple onions

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

I'm glad I have a few rice puddings in the fridge to enjoy after have to eat her unique dish

[south moat]

Just remembered it's father's day tomorrow
I probably should get a gift or something 🤔

[woven sentinel]

i think armor/gear linking gone again, can anyone else confirm?

[glacial crow]

what isnt gone? the muffin has dissapointed me

the embarassing amount of bugs i will not even mention

[south moat]

Muffin is server guy as far as I know
not responsible for bugs.

[severe socket]

Speaking of cooking... damn, do I need a decent frying pan like STAT.

My current one is ages ago and doesn't have an anti-stick coating.

[strange elm]

I need to decrease or remove the flashy effect from warpath graphical effect it somehow irritates my vision and when using steam deck it making me sleepy as hell as well
Anyway to decrease flashing effecting or skill effects ?

[glacial crow]

you probably need to smoke weed and drink some booze

otherwise no one can help you

where would i be if i hadnt detractors?

pedantic fake police officers

[south moat]

And here I thought you were sober like you claimed.

[glacial crow]

im never sober, im born sober

like i said you would make an excellent pedantic officer

why havent you applied yet? what are you doing with me?

i only i wish i was such a cop as you

[south moat]

Nah I just kinda hate potheads and alcoholics

[glacial crow]

i do too, who the fk wants to be near a moron

[copper sorrel]

Sounds good, ngl. I had some alaskan pollock with chinese vegetable mix, international seasoning AND wildberries. Today a good friend brang some leftover cheese i put over, heated and mixed in. The base recipe was already good, but lacking some fat maybe. Now it was glorious.

[glacial crow]

geez this guy makes me look like a noob, i love it

i love fish, especially with tomatoes somewhere

but besides that i wish i had your experience

i'll just let bear grylls take over from here

[main frigate]

it's PRETTY BAD sorry.

[copper sorrel]

I once tried to add tomato sauce to the pollack. Didnt like it, but i can see some fresh sliced tomatos hitting different or dried ones, which are insanly good.

[glacial crow]

pollack are you polish? or am i tripping?

[copper sorrel]

Lol, misstyped. Im from a german speaking country and funnily here this means 'polish citizen'

[glacial crow]

close enough, see i told you i have insight beyond your average normie

lariat sounds a lot like larian studios, despite their b3 sucesss, their crowning achievement will always be the first divine divinity game

bg3 is just a crowd pleaser

why do i know everything? im princess morbucks, im basically god

[severe socket]

Never played BG3.

Likely won't ever understand its charm.

[glacial crow]

youre not missing out on anything

[severe socket]

I know. 🙂

The whole (A)D&D thing is so far away from me, I can't even begin trying to fathom how the heck am I gonna get acquainted properly.

Or whether I even should in the first place.

[glacial crow]

i havent had food in a while

i wonder what the experience is like

thats why im so skinny, yikes

[jovial maple]

you guys should try shape of dreams

[glacial crow]

in dreams i talk to you - "frank booth"

[glacial crow]

i am aberroth thats why they tolerate me

theyre trying to figure out whats the ultimate boss

my real name is abaddon though

but whatever you want

[simple bison]

I'd recommend divinity original sin 2 instead, imo it's a better "video game" even though bg3 has better narrative and stuff. People generally agree that dos2 has better combat since it's not tied down trying to emulate a pen and paper game

[obtuse bay]

fellas fellas mods devs and travelas 👋

[severe socket]

Noted, but again, the whole D&D thing is wildly beyond my comprehension.

[stable shoal]

I mean speaking of larian divinity ego draconis was peak ,even with them not having much money and running out of resources that game was way too good.

Sad they never tried again to do same type instead of dungeon and dragons style which is great specially divinity 2 original sin but man ego draconis was awesome

[calm badge]

Is there a language distribution on the channel? I just saw almost 4,000 marks in "welcome" that there are Russian speakers.

[south moat]

The server is English only.

[void peak]

its one of these gaming sessions again. Every little change shows me a bug, missing scaling tags, wrong wording, ... If I report and show all of them I wont play 5 mins today xD

[gentle mauve]

@carmine smelt your autobomber build is just incredible, man. This is walking simulator

[carmine smelt]

It's more like floating or flapping but yeah 🙂

[gentle mauve]

flying walking simulator, walk in the air, indeed

incredible, thank you very much.

[woven sentinel]

about to do some uber smacking if anyone wanna watch 😄

[south moat]

Smack them übers

[timber tree]

do supporter pack go on sale ?

(stupid question proly)

[glacial crow]

the past was never great, now life is great

the people who miss the good old days were never there

the life expectancy in the dark ages was like 30-40

[inner finch]

As the saying goes

• Your stomach thinks all potatoes are mashed. Your brain thinks all memories are true.

[night marten]

i dont think they have ever been on sale

[timber tree]

ok i just bought it anyway

this game is cool glad to support it

[blissful ridge]

do u know how this works when i bought a pack, but want to buy a better pack? i dont get a "discount/refund" for the old one or?

[timber tree]

i dont think so?

if it works like in poe then yes

[glacial crow]

cats vs dogs?

i prefer hamsters, but lets go

[blissful ridge]

looking forward for the next season, try to play it mostly on steam deck haha

[glacial crow]

next season more t-rexes

ugh

[south moat]

20 t-rexes for everyone

stat

[blissful ridge]

does someone know when the next season starts approx?

[south moat]

Approximately late december or in january
no official word and if somebody knows they can't reveal it yet

[glacial crow]

does a t-rex enjoy a t-bone steak?

[blissful ridge]

mh ok maybe time for the next build to try until the next season

[south moat]

yeah, you should have enough time for a build

Just don't get burn out

[blissful ridge]

no, because he cant reach it with his arms

[blissful ridge]

that doesnt happens 😄 i play since early access and only play how much i enjoy 😄

[south moat]

I'm kinda jealous, honestly

[blissful ridge]

maybe i get my 1k hours until next season 😄

[glacial crow]

t-rex probably would be miserable at counter strike

"where's my hands these players are butchering me"

[blissful ridge]

t-rex would be shotgun player, spray and pray

[glacial crow]

lets hope he prays a lot, he's gonna need it

[blissful ridge]

loved the old CoD Times with "spray and pray" xD but not much praying was necessary 😄

[glacial crow]

destiny will defy prayer anyway, face the slayer. t-rexes know this, because they cant do anything, why? because they lack arms-length

[timber tree]

i thought this season just started this primal one?

[glacial crow]

primal t-rexes, everyone thinks these creatures are awesome, yet theyre totally useless

they cant even make a decent cup of coffee ffs

[blissful ridge]

it started in august

[timber tree]

oh rip

when does it end?

[blissful ridge]

how someone said maybe end of december/early january

[glacial crow]

rip blood is when it ends, it never does

because why should it?

[inner finch]

If you drop soap on the floor, is the floor clean or is the soap dirty?

[blissful ridge]

depends on where u drop it

if u drop it in prison, then it doesnt matter if the floor is clean or the soap is dirty

[inner finch]

Words to live by

[glacial crow]

shawshank redemption

i will say this though, no t-rex is allowed in my jail, they cant even open doors

doors, the eternal enemy of the t-rex!

[bold axle]

Jan season wud feelbadman 😭

[glacial crow]

every time i see a door i will try to sympathize with all you t-rexes out there

thats why we invented automated doors i guess, so these "small-handed" t-rexes can make their way in

[blissful ridge]

yeah dec would be better imo

[pseudo heath]

hi. anyone here can help with a carry on uber aberroth?

[south moat]

@woven sentinel should be able to
He's not online currently though, seeing that it's late evening for him

[pseudo heath]

thank you @south moat

[glacial crow]

i am eternal i am the eater of worlds

you all taste so much better when youre afraid

[blissful ridge]

carry for uber aberroth? xD

i wanted to laugh about you, not to give u a carry xD who cant kill it, should accept the skill issue xD

[glacial crow]

i think ubby should be impossible

[south moat]

Why put something in the game that would be impossible?

That's just stupid

[pseudo heath]

cool @blissful ridge you have a nice day too

if it makes you feel good about yourself to ridicule others...then you be you ok?

[blissful ridge]

it isnt impossible but needs skill^^

[south moat]

It was meant as a reply to Lysette saying that "ubby should be impossible"

[blissful ridge]

see her/his messages and ignore it 😄

[south moat]

Honestly a good idea

[glacial crow]

but does ubby feel the same way?

maybe he thinks im the coolest person ever

[willow sentinel]

It hasn't been setup that way yet

[blissful ridge]

ahh ok, i know it was planned, but didnt know if it is setup now :3 thanks

[glacial crow]

have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

[severe socket]

Sounds like flirting over here. 🤔

[glacial crow]

or esoteric language

[glacial crow]

one day nub is gonna like me

[south moat]

Well
Considering you've ignored or blocked me

I have no strong feelings one way or another, really

I don't hate you.

[glacial crow]

i actually did not ignore or block you

i dont really care since im high most of the time

i didnt even know block function was a thing on discord to be honest

[south moat]

Riiight

Anyway, it is father's day tomorrow so I need to go and sleep

Have a wonderful evening or whatever time it is for you

[glacial crow]

21.49

im nubs hero, or rather heroine

[south moat]

Nah, my old boss was my hero

Bless her soul

[glacial crow]

thats why its a thing of the past

i am the new

[south moat]

Nah, she still is

[glacial crow]

since i am the moon, have you ever stared into her, and thought, wow this is awesome? if you havent thats fine, i'll take a raincheck

exactly catwoman from 1992 the tim burton batman movie represented me exactly

[carmine smelt]

Wat

[glacial crow]

who knows, who cares

[broken trench]

tsuki ga kirei

[timber tree]

i wish i could dye my armor

[jagged dock]

do people buy all the gear they got in ah

[obtuse bay]

you need to see people in marvel rivals

[worldly fossil]

can i join cof in offline mode?

[jagged dock]

im confused how do you get shattered chain

i have killed many shades far away

[simple bison]

Yes

[simple bison]

If you have the corruption needed it's just luck. The higher you go in corruption and further from the center the higher the chance of it dropping

It maxes out at a 15% drop chance

So around 1 in 7

The higher your corruption the less distance you need from the center to cap it out at 15%

Like at 300c you need 15 distance but at 1000 you only need 7

[blissful ridge]

is the alternate leveling path bugged now? dont get teleported to imperial era from corrupted lake...

i dont get an error or so, it simple does nothing

[frank bramble]

any working fix for disappearing mtx each relog? I'm getting kinda fed up with that, got that bug like 2 weeks ago and can't get rid of it now

[fathom carbon]

🙂

[willow sentinel]

There is a bug there

When you get out of the dungeon, you need to walk back to the beginning of the corrupted lake, use the rift there to go to imperial era

Then you can come back to the corrupted lake, and do it

[woven sentinel]

hey still need?

[woven sentinel]

thank you for suggesting me bro

[dense grove]

season 4 wen

[woven sentinel]

no offical date, rumours are late dec/jan

[dense grove]

thank

[strange elm]

Official site Forum mention it on late Dec i suppoise

[severe socket]

Imagine releasing a major patch right before holidays.

It's like deploying into production on Friday. A surefire way to obliterate your own time off.

[inner finch]

Im not a gambler, but if i had to, i'd pin Season 4 start to somewhere around week 3 of Jan

Assuming the team crunches polishes for 2 weeks post new-year's

[obtuse bay]

hello everyone 👋

[south moat]

Jello

[willow dirge]

Is harris still going through grounds and still freezing

[ruby marlin]

How long will the patch "Beneath ancient skies" last?

[inner finch]

Until Season 4 begins, then, some of the content might get reduced frequency, but mechanics will stay as a core game component in one way or another

[stark forge]

Hi everyone, when does season 3 end and season 4 start?

[inner finch]

We have no final date yet

[stark forge]

so you have to wait?

[inner finch]

Unless anyone has a time machine, yes, we have to wait

Its expected to end somewhere around 2 months from now

give or take a week or two

But delays to the time window aren't out of the question

[stark forge]

okey

[glacial crow]

are they considering adding a salvage system like in d4?

[willow sentinel]

Nope

[glacial crow]

why is everyone wanting a barbarian class on mike's streams, isnt the primalist pretty barbaric, wouldnt it be redundant?

he's got most of the d2 barb abilities like warcry and leap already

[south moat]

I guess they'd want a more classical approach to barbarian that attacks himself without transforming or using minions

[glacial crow]

its gonna be tough thinking of new archetypes b/c a lot has already been nicely covered in the available classes

although i think i have an idea here. the arcanist from elder scrolls online uses these lovecraftian tentacle powers. that could be a thing for the acolyte

then everything should be covered i reckon

[woven sentinel]

hi

[glacial crow]

quan chi from mk does it too

[cobalt fable]

a waifu like class could be good since last epoch has no waifus at all

[glacial crow]

i think theres too much anime in the world already

[calm zodiac]

Interesting, i like that date

[summer sail]

So I just bought this game yesterday.... Where would the best place to go ... To learn more about the game and characters ... I don't know alot about the game but I'm very familiar with the genre due to playing alot of other arpg

[glacial crow]

i think the story is convoluted, i still dont know what the story in LE is

otherwise, great game if you dont wanna follow those toxic meta pushers on youtube and do your own thing

[summer sail]

I'm not gonna follow any build for now

I wanna learn the game for sure ...
I wish I was playing it on a big screen. But playing on the ally Xbox rog x still don't have a dock for it yet

[glacial crow]

the game is ridiculously casual friendly, you'll learn it

[summer sail]

Perfect

Not like poe2 needing a degree

[glacial crow]

indeed

[silk creek]

wtf, is Lightless Arbor boss bugged?

Killed 3 times in a row and havent gotten a single boss drop

on T4

no helm, no boots, no uniques, just some lame drops and a few exalteds

[summer sail]

What's end game activities like?

[south moat]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[inner finch]

There's a simple mapping system

[main frigate]

😂 lol why poe 2 need a degree to play... That's pretty simple already because still under ea... poe is the real nightmare

[silk creek]

nah, i submitted a bug report

no freakin way 5x t4 Lightess boss kills only yields ONE boss drop, and that was a helm

shit has to be bugged

is using a portal charm reducing drop chances or something?

[compact dawn]

Actually yes. Each door as you progress thru the dungeon adds different modifers that you can somewhat select depending on the door you take. Some of these modifers provide unique items on boss kill

specifically floor 1 and 3 on that dungeon is where you can find the boss drops unique modifers

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/dungeons/lightless-arbor-dungeon-guide

[silk creek]

this shouldnt effect boss drops though. I can see it affecting other unique drops, but not unique boss drops

i see

only floor 3 would be what i need then, as i NEED it to drop the boss armor

and the only modifier that helps that is the 'drop 2 unique items' one

even still, kinda lame that i have to rely on that for its specific drop

[compact dawn]

portal charms are really meant to skip campaign or if you just want to get to the reward room faster (like the vault in LA) not to farm boss items

i mean technically you can just spam kill the boss with them, but as you well know it's kind of frusterating to do that.

[maiden isle]

does this game have cool visual gear in endgame? or is it cosmetics u buy t look cool?

[inner finch]

The cool cosmetics are mostly in the cosmetics shop

Unfortunately, and i might get some swords pointed at me for saying it, the dropped gear visuals is... eh

[silk creek]

the dropped gear visuals are better than what they use to be imo

however, if youre looking for transmogs and cool/flashy visuals.. you'll only get that from the shop,

and even then, its pretty limited atm

[inner finch]

Many of them can use a glow, or one of many kinds of rope effects

Stuff to add flare

[main frigate]

Judd join in the team of le server tag since today. I have wondered if he join in the club one day after the tag is here.

A question is solved.

[main frigate]

A big potential they have, yes :)

They can transfer a ugly game to current one, I think mtx issue isn't hard for them to solve

I just want an myth bird as my pet with bees 🤔

They have AI references for help too

[inner finch]

I would prefer to keep playing LE

so i hope they will have their own creative juices flowing, autonomously

[swift swift]

Bonsoir tout le monde ! ^^

[main frigate]

It's why I have a chance to try this game type by accident and go deeper and deeper, yes

[willow sentinel]

Salut mon chef ! Par contre petite chose, le discord est en anglais uniquement

[swift swift]

arf...!

[inner finch]

But when i speak Voidish, i get told to use English

[glacial crow]

void is the only language i speak

https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Oblivion_(Discipline)

[south moat]

what

[glacial crow]

just read it

[south moat]

No.

[glacial crow]

good, void is only for the elite

[south moat]

Well clearly it's not for you then

[glacial crow]

exactly

[main frigate]

🤔 If not... emmm I think Necrotish exist in le too.

[south moat]

Quite sure the undead just speak the language they used while still alive

Also the "voidish" isn't a serious thing
a joke

You could just replace it with "language that seems like gibberish to most people"

[glacial crow]

i speak R'lyehian too, its similar

[main frigate]

Oh 😢

Failed to keep this joke going, sorry :(

But a necropolis with many national flowers for identity of these souls sounds a cool idea 💡

[inner finch]

man, why is LE server so bot prone 🙁

[south moat]

I guess it doesn't help that they shared it on X
and a lot of bots will look for discord servers shared on social media like that

[inner finch]

It sure is a nexus of oddities

[south moat]

Truly

[steady bison]

Anybody have frog build? 🐸

[proper sluice]

Guys anybody has a fix for the cosmetics resetting?

On login and character swap

[willow sentinel]

Check the last pinned message

[proper sluice]

thanks!

[rigid frigate]

how long does this league will go ?

[carmine smelt]

I don't think that's accurate, spending 10x longer just to have a chance for the boss to drop a couple extra uniques (that I'm pretty sure use global drop loot table, excluding the boss drops) is not better than using the portal charm to farm boss items @silk creek

The body armor is just a rare drop.

[night marten]

No official date but like 2 months or so

[simple bison]

Yeah door modifier rewards that drop uniques can't drop the boss unique, it's basically like having a prophecy to kill the boss

[tardy bison]

weaver tree nodes that give dungeon mobs inside monoliths that drop dungeon boss items is the best way to farm those items. by far imo. I get 5-6 foot of the mountains per mono it procs on. you'll find pretty much everything you need.

fill up a few tabs then nemesis/turtle easy peasy

[primal abyss]

Heelllooo Travelers.

[compact dawn]

eh, one would think it should. Kind of silly the mechanic to get certain uniques is to skip a bunch of content. What's the point of ever doing the full dungeon at this point? People only care about the boss kill and the reward room after anyways. If the door modifiers gave bonuses for boss drops at least one type of player (people looking for certain uniques) would play the full dungeon.

The door modifiers as they stand are not compelling in any way to incentivize people to play the content.

[simple bison]

There isn't much of one and that's one of the reasons we have the portal charms to begin with. They plan on reworking dungeons somewhat in the future

[compact dawn]

I think a quick fix on the door modifiers would fix it at least in the interim. Just making the unique doors allowed to drop boss uniques would probably be enough to get a few people to want to play thru them

[simple bison]

Doubt it honestly. You can do like 3 if not more portal charm runs in the time it takes you to go through it normally depending on how fast you are

The door modifiers would need to be guaranteed to be boss uniques and more than one

Which ain't happening

[burnt hamlet]

When is next cycle?

[simple bison]

Late December or so

No official date

[burnt hamlet]

Ty

[simple bison]

Also bandaid fixes aren't a good idea a lot of the time

I think they'd rather just wait until they can properly fix them

[compact dawn]

Why does it matter if it did? People spam it anyways. As you said it's worth at least 3 runs to skip to the boss, wouldn't it make sense that the doors should at least drop 3x the loot (that matters) that skipping would do.

skipping makes sense for people who want the treasure rooms, but for those looking for uniques I think it should be more involved.

[simple bison]

Not really because dungeons aren't balanced around the time it takes to do them but rather around the keys

If you want to skip it you pay an additional cost of the charm

If you want people to run the dungeon you'd make charms rarer

Which isn't a good idea because currently people don't like running the dungeons

You might. But a lot of people would have less fun if running the dungeon proper was optimal

[compact dawn]

It's all about incentives. People will do anything (including running the dungeon that they hate) if the incentive is there.

[simple bison]

Yes but that's bad

[compact dawn]

you can never make content that everyone likes. You will always have people who hate certain kinds of content

[simple bison]

Dungeons in their current implementation are widely disliked

Back in 0.9 you would be hard pressed to find a single person who enjoyed them because back then we actually had to run them normally and there was even reason to do so without caring about the boss drop or mechanic

And everyone was crying about it

I'm sorry to say but you're in a small minority that wants to run dungeons normally. Hopefully once they get procedural generation and whatever else they have planned for them implemented it'll be different

[compact dawn]

That was because it was required, you've already added a bypass for people to access the loot room. The uniques are by no means required, and if someone makes a build that requires one they do so knowingly.

[simple bison]

No people would do it for the door modifiers

And it sucked

But at the time it was the best way to farm exalts

[compact dawn]

Because you didn't have other options at the time, now you do

[simple bison]

You did have the option

To not get your exalts from there lol

Like you'd run temporal sanctum and not kill julra

[compact dawn]

It's just like PoE, as you get more content, you can have more exotic types of content that is contraversal for the groups that enjoy it

[simple bison]

This is not the same thing. In Poe you can't get resonators outside of delve

Same thing goes for heist

There are exclusive rewards for the content people dislike

The only exclusive part of dungeons is at the end

[compact dawn]

Yes, but with trade you can get all of that, in LE you can trade uniques

CoF is a choice, SSF is knowing you will have to do all content your build needs. If you create a character that has gear you need from content you don't like then you go MG

[simple bison]

I'm not sure what the argument even is here. If you like doing the dungeons normally then do so. The reason it's not straight up better for boss drops than using a portal charm is because you're paying an additional cost and still having to kill the boss, that's basically all there is to it

You can save on the additional cost of paying a charm and run through it normally

[compact dawn]

it's time verses resources, no one runs them normally because it's faster and more efficient just to run mono for keys (along with other content) and buy the charms

[simple bison]

Yes, as it should be

[compact dawn]

meaning you should never run the dungeon, it's always better to skip it

that's not good

[simple bison]

To some extent yes, because it's recognized that the current implementation isn't very fun (for most)

This isn't me saying "we don't like it". This is something ehg have talked about, they have plans for dungeons. This is also why we haven't gotten any new ones for so long

[compact dawn]

if it's not fun for them there is a brute way to skip it currently (portal charms) for people who enjoy they should have a just as efficient if not more efficient method.

providing unique ways to play the game is never a bad thing, you only need to make sure you don't lock content out for other players. Which you haven't via portal charms. All that's missing is a reason for people to play the content they like

[simple bison]

I don't necessarily disagree with that, but they would need to be pretty careful with how they give incentive for doing it normally. And like I said before I feel like they'd rather just wait until they're ready for the bigger plans they have instead of doing small changes here and there that don't actually solve the issue, which is that most people don't like dungeons

I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to remove portal charms in the future, I don't think it'll happen because people would be mad but it's a bandaid fix

[compact dawn]

Yeah removing what people consider QoL is always rough

[severe socket]

(throwing a side-eye at Steam Family Link)

(though I admit, that one was a grave necessity)

[simple bison]

That was never intended to work, it just happened to work and when they started using the steam server services it stopped working because you can't link one steam account to two steam accounts basically

[stoic frigate]

Most of my characters in endgame can kill Julra literally 10 times over or more via portal charm before getting to even one door, there is no conceivable way for them to make doing the full dungeon worthwhile without making it genuinely overpowered

[compact dawn]

over powered compared to what? to how skipping it already is?

[simple bison]

Consider it's 10 keys and charms vs 1 key but you hate your life (for most)

You can't make them equal (10 is on the extreme side but same premise with less)

The key cost is a very relevant part of it

[compact dawn]

you can if you provide a unique benefit for running them normally. Again it's about incentives. Maybe a core part of the issue is keys are to common, or portal charms are to cheap.

[stoic frigate]

If you make portal charms harder to get you make people engage in unfun activities, which is bad for player perception/reaction. Same for If you nerf key drop rates since some of the uniques are so heavily built around; nobody likes losing access to build defining gear.

[compact dawn]

that's why you buy the gear from other players if you are using a character that needs the item for content you don't want to run

just like in PoE

[stoic frigate]

PoE doesn't remove access to gear. In fact usually things get more accessible over time, not less

[compact dawn]

making portal charms harder to get isn't removing access either. Many people don't play heist, but still get heist items from trade. Why can't that work here?

[stoic frigate]

Heist items have always been from Heist. They weren't a common and accessible thing from a core feature that got nerfed and made harder to get.

[compact dawn]

and yet you can still get them without running the content

[stoic frigate]

Screw it. I can't be bothered to argue against a brick wall.

[compact dawn]

I'm not arguing to remove portal charms, but being able to spam 10+ of them to get a unique shouldn't probably be a thing. At least not without a considerable investment. At the moment it's not a considerable investment, you can easily get a bunch of keys if you mono for a little bit.

The issue is running the dungeon has no purpose. Something needs to give, either running it becomes more rewarding, or the ability to skip it becomes more difficult.

[stoic frigate]

Or, maybe, idk, running it becomes not awful? Not literally the most boring thing possible with annoying gating and extended periods of nothing? Maybe it stops having you sit through an extra 3 loading screens for no reason and has something more to it than "click D every 45 seconds to unblock a path"? Nobody wants to run them. That's. The. Problem. The content. Is. Bad.

[compact dawn]

While I agree to a point (Cyborg said the devs will be reworking them at some point), the use of interesting mechanics isn't a bad thing. There are things that can be better, but at the end of the day you will either have content that is indistinguishable from everything else or have content that some people won't like. The trick for the later is to provide options for people to bypass content they don't like. For example trade, carries, and yes even portal charms. However, a balance needs to be made to insure you don't ostracize people who do like playing the content by making it meaningless.

For the record in a Lab enjoyer in PoE (there are dozens of us!). I would argue lab is a bad example because people are FORCED to run it (aside from the 10+/- people who hit 100 unascended lol), but even if it wasn't a requirement there is still enough reward at the end for people to run it as major content. That reward is, for the most part, tradable (trans gems).

[chilly ember]

you keep saying things that imply that players like running dungeons in this game when the reality is as recently as 2 seasons ago we were forced to run dungeons to actually progress in endgame and they absolutely were universally hated by the community. you’d be extremely hard pressed to find a 1.1 player who had run dungeons more than 5 times who actually enjoyed them.

[compact dawn]

That wasn't what I was saying at all. I was simply saying dungeons should have a compelling reason to run them. Not that they should be required. Honestly the Eternity Cache should be decoupled from the dungeon.

[chilly ember]

what is the upside to having an incentive to run content that nobody enjoys?

[compact dawn]

Nobody isn't true. There are some people who like them, but you can argue that they can be much better. People for the most part hate Lab in PoE, and yet there are people who enjoy that content (I would argue ascendency's should be removed from them). The same with other league content.. Sanctum is HIGHLY contentious, but people still play it because the rewards are compelling and they happen to like it.

Dungeons probably should be converted into a league like thing. Not manditory, but still compelling

[chilly ember]

nobody is functionally true. i could probably count the number of people who have run dungeons a substantial number of times and enjoy doing so on my hands with several fingers chopped off, and the rest of the community passionately loathes them because they are tedious and frustrating at best.

[main frigate]

Rewards from dungeon bosses are valuable when my build need them. So what le need in essence is more interesting builds. Interesting builds inspires everything.

[compact dawn]

You have to keep in mind, people complain more then they complement (this is a very interesting psychology conversation). Most people who play LE do not use this discord or forums.

[chilly ember]

and giving a worthwhile incentive to run dungeons creates a burden of optimal play if the incentive to do them is strong. players will do content they hate because they feel it’s most efficient and then grow tired with the game and quit shortly after (this is already a widespread phenomena in LE)

[compact dawn]

That's why it needs to be balanced, it's not better but about equal

[glass pendant]

Imo there's validity in both criticism and complaining. When those stop it's not because the game is flawless but because people stopped caring

Criticism = emotional investment and engagement

[chilly ember]

yes, people complain a lot, and dungeons being terrible were one of the most common criticisms of the game in 1.1 and earlier because there is nothing redeeming about them when you get past a gimmick that becomes boring after you’ve done it 5 times

[glass pendant]

5000 times pre keys

[compact dawn]

It's more or less this way in PoE1, Sanctum isn't better then mapping, it's about the same because of the high value items that only drop in it. Delve is the same, and a number of other league mechanics.

[glass pendant]

Charms* whatever

[chilly ember]

that would require the devs to prove that they are actually able to balance endgame reward structure, which so far they have not been able to do.

also nothing on the weaver tree interacts with dungeons so it’s basically doomed to be useless unless you make it REALLY ridiculous

[compact dawn]

so your argument is that dungeons need to be skippable because the devs are incompetent. Maybe a harsh translation, but effectively what is being said.

[chilly ember]

ye i mean you were doing a mind numbing mechanic hundreds or thousands of times a season but it had already grown tiresome and infuriating by the 6th time xd

[chilly ember]

lol

[glass pendant]

There's zero determinism to it either. Just brainlessly wait for big giant to die until 4lp peak

Which they then went and nerfed making the slog sloggier

[compact dawn]

I mean boiled down that's what it is, I don't nessessarly agree with it though

[chilly ember]

i can see why everyone else gave up on engaging with you a while ago. that is not even remotely a good faith interpretation of my argument

[compact dawn]

^

We can at least agree that dungeons need to be reworked. The rewards for running them isn't compelling, and running them for required items (Eternity Cache) isn't fun for most people.

[main frigate]

Cut dungeons is a good idea, but where should current dungeon boss exclusive drops go?

[glass pendant]

I still think they shot themselves on the foot with the corruption system. The current iteration is so limiting

[carmine smelt]

The whole point of the charm is getting a low lift solution to a problem now so they could make players happy while coming up with a longer term solution.

You are basically suggesting "oh just put in this proper solution". They want a proper solution but that takes time.

Why waste dev effort on making the bandaid prettier when a proper solution would eventually make that pointless?

They basically said we have more important stuff to work on, so they put a quick win to make players happy. Yea it's not perfect, that's the point

[compact dawn]

They already put on a bandaid fix, what's another small one to make the content relevant at least for a few people.

[carmine smelt]

To what end?

If you are going to demolish a house to build a new one, does it make sense to fix the leaks first?

[compact dawn]

The dungeons are interesting to some people, while most people are burned out, it is still has interesting mechanics for people who didn't spam them 100's of time for farming.

[glass pendant]

Even post "fix" or whatever that will end up being, I think there's merit to just getting to the boss. That way, a mapping area doubles as a bossing one. But given how the dungeon itself is one giant waste of time, it simply no longer serves the game. Honestly if it was up to me, I'd turn those bosses into boss echoes somewhere, probably as a side area inside maps with a % to appear, or % to appear on the timeline, or a woven echo or something

[copper sorrel]

Youre answering your own question. There arent enough people to justify the work.

[chilly ember]

so the 5 people who enjoy running dungeons can temporarily have a better reason to run them until they have a proper fix xd

[compact dawn]

It would litterally take 1 person to change a door modifer to drop boss uniques. Temp fix, 1 hour dev time at max.

[main frigate]

oh. Woven echoes. It's a good idea to replace current dungeons.

[carmine smelt]

It's not a "fix" though and you don't know the LE logic

[copper sorrel]

I think devs are in here. Try pinging them with your solution. This will make them happy.

[main frigate]

the ranking of tiers for dungeons can apply on woven echoes too

[carmine smelt]

I'm pretty sure loot tables are not so simple to fix though. Boss drops and global drops are very separate

Most things that work with globals don't work with bosses.

Plus it's not even a "bug" in the first place, you just assumed it should drop non globals

[chilly ember]

not only is this still worse than just using charms due to the time it takes unless you make every enemy drop boss uniques, now you’ve narrowed the pool even more to players who not only enjoy running dungeons but also need the boss drops. does this person in question even exist?

[compact dawn]

I'd imagine the doors add a tag on the boss to drop extra general loot. The bosses loot table is probably just another tag.

[carmine smelt]

Well there is 1 person at least it seems

[main frigate]

But if dungeons are cut, players have no ways to skip part of campaign

[chilly ember]

i love this game but the devs are having trouble keeping up with bugs that have been around for years, i’m gonna go ahead and say a bandaid to a bandaid that makes a grand total of one (1) person happy is not a valuable use of dev time, even if it does only take an hour

[carmine smelt]

Yeah this is what #suggestions is for. Tbh I wouldn't even mind a solution like this to properly target boss uniques but I don't think that's the ideal way to approach it

[glass pendant]

I agree, I'll be shocked if they end up plugging all holes in the foreseeable future

I love this game too but

[carmine smelt]

As a dev myself if I had a nickle for every time someone who has never looked at code told me a logic change was "just a 1 hour fix" I'd be pretty rich

[night marten]

complete sidetrack here...what bugs have been around for years are you referring to?

[compact dawn]

I have coded btw (mostly scripting), depends on how clean the code is, and how they coded loot drops

[carmine smelt]

A lot of the Mage bugs that got fixed with LB becoming meta have been around for ages

I'm just happy they got fixed though, a lot of bugs are really sneaky

[night marten]

yeah, as long as they are fixed, awesome. some bugs are definately reaaaally hard to track. lol

[glass pendant]

Hope lb doesn't get nerfed to oblivion, mage needed this

[night marten]

but i am curious about the ones daimonos is reffering to

[copper sorrel]

Whats lb?

[night marten]

lightning blast

cuz like, after a while, some bugs just feel like features

and i dont see 'oh thats a bug'

[inner finch]

FS, can i recruit you as a QA engineer

[chilly ember]

shield rush desync still exists offline and mana refund is still borked in both online and offline
nether coating still works on non-direct
silver shrouds still don’t work like 40% of the time
you can still die in reaper form if the damage is high enough

those are some of the ones that come to the top of my mind immediately

[compact dawn]

Reminds me of Tribes 1, skiing was the best bug

[glass pendant]

There's a few annoying ones. Silver shroud not working always, some traversals desyncing you and getting you stuck in the terrain, a myriad of chatbox bugs especially when it comes to party, friends still sometimes appearing offline

I could probably think of more but I haven't logged in a while

[chilly ember]

btw the nether coating one should stay but they should just update the tooltip at this point tbh

[carmine smelt]

Haha tbh writing tests is probably the part I hate the most about my job

[glass pendant]

My number one request is fixing the character sheet personally

[chilly ember]

also idk how old this bug is but the most disruptive bug for me is that my shared timeline progress seems to be completely borked which has completely killed any desire for me to roll more alts

[night marten]

i see a lot of silver shroud complaints. and i wonder if the skills are nondodgeable and thats why its not proc'ing

[chilly ember]

but it’s not like it’s consistently certain attacks or anything

[compact dawn]

game is too fast to have undodgeable attacks on non bosses

[night marten]

also the reaper form thing i dont think is a bug. this is from letools. so if its big enough it would kill both forms

[chilly ember]

watch the vod for when terek did uber on magic gear and you’ll see how buggy silver shroud is

[night marten]

lol, one day it will be adjusted

[compact dawn]

well some attacks not being dodgable on bosses I think is fair

depending on which ones obviously

[chilly ember]

the problem is not attacks being undodgeable it’s that the same attack will seemingly decide at random whether it’s dodgeable or not during the same fight

[compact dawn]

one of these days we will have dps for minions 😛

[carmine smelt]

What about it?

Tbh id rather wait for a full overhaul, like skill specific sheets

[glass pendant]

I want every piece of info related to my character to be visible and accurate

I don't want to pull 3 external tools for basic information

[carmine smelt]

Ah yea

[turbid silo]

Hello! How was everyone's weekend?

[compact dawn]

Doing ok, just annoying everyone in chat apparently

how about you?

[night marten]

yeah their social system...leaves some things to be desired

[carmine smelt]

To be fair, is the PoE sheet with all its info even useful? There are so many conditions that go into your actual damage that a in game sheet is never going to fully measure. Unless it has those config options built in which would be wild

[glass pendant]

Whenever I want something from the game I love, I don't look at what people outside of the game are doing and how well

[chilly ember]

is it worded this way in game too? I don’t recall this line being in the alt text or anything

[glass pendant]

It's what I want from LE in particular

PoE can do its own thing

If I find something missing I won't be like "well the competition isn't doing that either"

I find that counterproductive

[carmine smelt]

I'm not saying PoE doesnt do it well therefore there is no problem, I'm saying that in-game sheets might actually not accomplish what you want

Unless they are wildly complex

[glass pendant]

There's a halfway point between what we have and perfection

[compact dawn]

It's useful to be inspired or see what you like/don't, but yes it can be even better

[glass pendant]

I'm happy with a solid 50, I don't expect a 100

[chilly ember]

basically the LEtools character sheet minus the EHP (as ik they won’t add that) would even be a big step up

[carmine smelt]

I'd be happy with a PoB built into LE but I feel like it would potentially be overwhelming

[glass pendant]

How's that fork coming along? Still worked on?

[night marten]

yeah. if you alt over the skill it pops up

[chilly ember]

i’m surprised to learn that isn’t a bug but that does really conflict with the main text

[night marten]

healing you to full says nothing to do about ignoring remaining damage from hits

tho i do kinda see where you are coming form

[compact dawn]

would be neat if it just netigated the hit that pops you out of reaper. GW2 did this with death shroud, gave it a little bit of utility to absorb a big hit

[carmine smelt]

Even like subskills and stuff. If you play LB most of your damage is spark charges. If you have capped crit for LB and not spark charges it doesn't show your DPS going up to get more crit, even though it is beneficial

[glass pendant]

Death shroud was a fun mechanic yeah

[turbid silo]

I am doing pretty good, just relaxing on this chilly Monday morning

[compact dawn]

I LOVED necro in GW2. Got consumming dark down in that area thing because of DS abuse lol

[glass pendant]

Hope the community hasn't been too heavy on your shoulders Derrick, we can be a handful

[compact dawn]

That's good to hear, nice to have some RnR

[glass pendant]

I've been keeping up with the news posts

[night marten]

calling me fat?

[chilly ember]

that is certainly how the main text of reaper form reads, to me

[turbid silo]

Well, relaxing and working 😉

[turbid silo]

Haha, naw, you've all been great

[glass pendant]

Handful not grahful 😞

[stoic frigate]

Blade Paladin in Vengeance is still broken when converting 👍

[glass pendant]

Grabful*

Ugh can't type

[turbid silo]

I have those days

[stoic frigate]

Been "fixed" at minimum twice this year btw

[turbid silo]

What's broken with it? Make sure to submit an in-game bug report!

[night marten]

oh, the pen doesnt convert? so like it doesnt change to fire pen with ignite when made fire?

[stoic frigate]

It literally doesn't work if you convert your damage type despite it being suipposed to. It has been reported multiple times by several people.

[compact dawn]

conversions is always such a nightmare

[chilly ember]

last i heard if you converted vengeance to fire it changed it to fire penetration with time rot per uncapped fire res

[night marten]

that node feels like a pain in the butt. does it change the pen? the ailment? the res scaling? lol

[stoic frigate]

That was the previous issue with it yeah. Then they "fixed" it to "work" but it just does nothing now if you convert lol

[chilly ember]

it’s supposed to change all 3 at least that’s what mike has said but so far we have had no such luck

[stoic frigate]

It is supposed to change all parts of it to the relevant damage type. Void convert? Void pen with Time Rot scaled by void res. Fire? Fire pen w/ Ignite scaled by fire res, etc etc. But yeah, it ain't doing shit

[night marten]

aight

[glass pendant]

that's one way to balance sentinel 😏

[compact dawn]

would be an interesting way to balance, fix or create bugs to classes instead of buffing/nerfing them. Much better community sentiment when patch notes come out, basicaly stealth fixes/nerfs lol

[turbid silo]

Gotcha, if you don't mind sharing details on how to make this issue occur, I'll be happy to share it with the team to hunt down the bug report(s)

[severe socket]

👋

[turbid silo]

Hey Hey

[compact dawn]

eating cheeseburger flavored doritos... they... kind of taste like a cheeseburger with strong pickle flavor o.O

weird chips, not sure why I got them

[turbid silo]

How are they

There are some strange flavors you find nowadays heh

[main frigate]

CM manager lead to hang out in voice, is it a type of new event they mentioned for "all community new corner streams" in eterra monthly?

[rancid pulsar]

fake burger flavors in other foods are inevitably like 80% pickle

sad non pickle enjoyer noises

[compact dawn]

They are ok, kind of taste like a McD cheeseburger

not exactly a high bar, but it's kind of novel.

[turbid silo]

Just wanting to spend time more with you all 🙂

[main frigate]

Sometimes I wish I can think things in a simple way like Derrick

[obtuse bay]

I am interested to watch your streams

[main frigate]

I can addict in le like Derrick's level if back to 1 year ago