💬┃general

[dark holly]

my beef with rogue is the lack of resists and attributes in the passive trees

[glass pendant]

the problem is getting to that gear

[chilly ember]

bd and falconer are actually pretty easy to get tanky, marskman is a bit tougher but you can still make a pretty tanky marksman

[lofty heath]

my spear falconer could facetank T4 julra, was tanky enough for me, and the hardest unique on it to get was probably the single RR

[glass pendant]

the reason falconers die is because they want to see those 8 digit crits, not because they built tanky and failed at it

[chilly ember]

ye but rogues can easily run red rings and also have the godly large idols with %hp and ele res

[glass pendant]

the stout woven ones are more value iirc

can stack 5 of them

8*

idk where the 5 came from lol

[dark holly]

exactly

[chilly ember]

well ye the values are pretty similar but you can get an enchant with the 1x3s

which like ye enchanting sucks but

[glass pendant]

true

[dark holly]

needing 4 1x3s with enchants is uh, rough

[chilly ember]

enchanting in general is the biggest failure of 1.2 imo

[glass pendant]

I rolled a singular 9wt and it was silver shroud duration 😭

[dark holly]

i’ve never seen more than 7

[chilly ember]

even after the 1.3 changes it's still a massive pain

most of my uber kills are with unenchanted idols because i absolutely cannot be bothered to do all that for every build

[dark holly]

although it’s clear i’m not on y’all’s grind level

okay so ignoring that i don’t see how the idols makes that work

[glass pendant]

I roll three generic 5wts with either multi or cdr and be done with it

I'm like woah 6% cdr total? we chilling

[dark holly]

5wts?

[glass pendant]

weaver's touches

[chilly ember]

2 rrs and allres blessing is pretty easy to slot in and gets you to 60% all res

[dark holly]

oh 1x3 5wt

[chilly ember]

there aren't really a lot of rogue builds that don't end up becoming double red ring builds eventually

[dark holly]

that’s a lot of itemization though

[lofty heath]

thought a lot of them would run siphons/shattered chains

[glass pendant]

the flask ones are double julra iirc

[dark holly]

that’s post-success though Afiya

[autumn briar]

julra is just boss swap

[chilly ember]

don't bladedancers usually use stymied fate so you don't have to use boulderfists?

[glass pendant]

oh yeah makes sense

does anyone use penumbra anymore ever

[lofty heath]

no clue, I just do wierd stuff, just going off a couple of things I remember seeing here and there

[chilly ember]

i think if you're going LL you probably wanna go stymied so you can run good gloves and 2xrr

[lofty heath]

figured people would go for the 20% multi

[split plume]

please please please have crossplay when this launches on PS5 ❤️ you all

[dark holly]

yeah that’s a good point

[chilly ember]

you can still use chains with stymied fate though

[lofty heath]

true that, didn't brain it

[autumn briar]

why do stymied fate have lpl 100, that's kinda ridiculous.

[glass pendant]

because they allow for double rr without siphon for doom I guess

(doubt they thought that far)

[chilly ember]

so does apathy's maw and that doesn't have an absurd lpl

[lofty heath]

that was exactly what we were discussing 🤣

[autumn briar]

traitors tongue lpl 27 nothing to see here move it along ppl

[dark holly]

if there’s no crossplay there’s no point

[chilly ember]

kinda annoying roll ranges on traitors tho tbf

[dark holly]

foot of the mountain

[glass pendant]

more of a pain to farm though I guess

[lofty heath]

Foot is nice on rogue if you want to go the full HP covered by endurance route

[glass pendant]

does it even drop remotely often at the start of the timeline

with spam tech

[chilly ember]

foot is one of those items that's rarely ever a strictly bad pick

[lofty heath]

can't you just do confluence nowadays?

[glass pendant]

I actually haven't tried imprinting

[dark holly]

i was specifically talking about annoying roll ranges

[chilly ember]

it's not that bad unless you need it for the endurance

like 6-12 is wide but you're not banking on multiple roll ranges hitting at once generally speaking

[lofty heath]

well now that they drop from echoes they're fairly easy to get anyway

[dark holly]

they do not

[chilly ember]

trying to get a 2lp blood mage with 25/4% and hit the slam is killing me rn

[lofty heath]

they do if you spec into the dungeon mobs on echoes node on weaver's

[glass pendant]

I wonder what the community's reaction would be if vise got teased shortly after 1.0

it's still mind boggling how crazy of an item it is

[chilly ember]

imagine mask of indifference in beta

[dark holly]

imagine an lp3 with 6 attributes

i’d rage

[lofty heath]

I still feel like Blossom of Immortal Stone is severy underrated

[chilly ember]

everyone would be losing their mind over stun immunity now nobody cares

[lofty heath]

its kinda funny on phys Aura of Decay

[glass pendant]

would look like a hacked item with the immunities

yes lol

exactly

[chilly ember]

all the defensive primordials are so underrated bc everyone just wants omega damage now

[dark holly]

yeah

[glass pendant]

to be fair people love astral blood

[lofty heath]

I just play HC so they appeal to me I guess

[glass pendant]

exang on steroids

[lofty heath]

I still ran Exsang on my Low life Lich, cause of bleed immunity + blossom of immortal stone 🤣

[dire vigil]

Still waiting on my refund with only 4hrs played…devs said no.

[dark holly]

You will not get that refund.

[dark holly]

I will look into this.

[glass pendant]

I think this is just as valid an approach as giga damage

[lofty heath]

you can get all the dungeon boss specific drops like that, last season I got them all like that

[glass pendant]

0 deaths is as big an achievement as clearing 10 universes per second but dying to a breeze

[dark holly]

I must have misread the weaver buffs then. I didn’t think you could farm dungeon drops with weaver nodes.

[glass pendant]

I wouldn't want either not to exist

[lofty heath]

I just don't like dying 🤣 so HC made sense

[glass pendant]

I'm going to place all copies of elden ring as far away from you as possible 🙏

[lofty heath]

at least there I don't feel bad for not being at 700c+

[glass pendant]

First week of uber's release

I must've clocked around 200 deaths on it

(heartseeker, not even full 1lps)

[lofty heath]

I mean everyone did, even the HC players, or do you think those who cleared it didn't practice it over and over on SC? 🤣

[glass pendant]

Oh I'm aware of how fair the ziz race was

I know it was a complete joke

[lofty heath]

tbf judgement pally made it a complete joke

[glass pendant]

Would've been funny if they made it class locked

[chilly ember]

i think offline was the bigger problem tbh

[lofty heath]

yeah, that way people would've had to at least work for it on online SC

[chilly ember]

being able to test your exact gear and know to a certainty that you could do it took so much wind out of it imo

and online you can get close but like offline you can literally just get the exact gear down to the roll ranges

[lofty heath]

that being said, I don't particularly mind it, I race the HC leaderboards but I just grind my way there, don't even go through the process of shenanigans to min/max exp gain just cause it aint fun

[glass pendant]

Didn't testers also take part, most of the training was done before it even went live

[chilly ember]

ye but they were just doing it for the challenge they weren’t actually eligible which is fine imo

[glass pendant]

Oh that's how that was handled

[lofty heath]

Like the thing people do now with the weaver nodes to proc more EXP tomes and keep reseting the timeline to get more book echoes, rinse and repeat

[chilly ember]

ye anyone who had ct access was ineligible

wudi would have been one of the first but he had ct access and wasn’t eligible

[glass pendant]

I enjoyed seeing empy's grind, actual chads

[chilly ember]

he claimed he won and whatnot and said he didn’t think it would matter because he was on ct but claimed he hadn’t actually played ct in a year

it was a weird thing

[glass pendant]

Nothing is drama free after all lol

[chilly ember]

i think it was pretty cut and dry, ziz said anyone who had ct access not just ppl who played on ct to avoid ct users trying to circumvent it

[glass pendant]

shouldn't have been debatable in the first place then

[lofty heath]

It wasn't, that's why he didn't get a prize xD

[glass pendant]

No yeah I mean drama is just lame

[chilly ember]

it’s super easy to make it appear as though you didn’t play on ct because the offline client for ct exists so

[lofty heath]

people will cook up drama for no reason so 🤷

anyhow, nice talk fellas, enjoyed it, but I should've been asleep a couple of hours ago 🤣 have a good one o7

[glass pendant]

🙏 bless

[tender marsh]

Is there anyway to convert swipes damage into cold?

[dark holly]

the icons on the skills have all the elements they can be converted to on them

can’t post images here but the specializations only show physical and lightning for swipe

[chilly ember]

no

[chilly ember]

and you need to invest 6 skill points to fully convert it to lightning lmfaoooooooooooooo

[dark holly]

yeah

if there’s any skills that can be converted by items that’s going to make that question difficult to answer potentially

[chilly ember]

i’m pretty sure the icons also account for item conversions iirc

[tender marsh]

darn....then what is the point of this "Cold werebear" chest unique?

if nothing it does can be converted?

[chilly ember]

you technically can proc upheaval in werebear form and convert that to cold

other than that idk it’s kind of a fantasy unique that never sees play

[tender marsh]

guess I got a goal. 1000c+ on polarbear

[chilly ember]

casual players care a lot and they bring in a lot of revenue. they’re just not nearly as outspoken.

although i am increasingly liking the theory that the “expansion” is actually just the rest of the campaign alongside a content update

[dark holly]

i’m both a “casual” player and a medium corruption player and i care a lot about the story

to put a point on it: wrong

[split skiff]

I was about to sit down and watch a movie earlier while enjoying some delicious popcorn, turned out LE Discord General chat was even more entertaining! I'm generally not a big fan of drama, the drama present tonight brought back vivid memories of watching Jerry Springer in high school roughly 18 years ago. I was honestly shocked I didn't see a "x you are/are not the father!" comment.

[dark holly]

this is more dramatic than anything we’ve said about the announcement tonight

also you’re like 4 hours late

[chilly ember]

yeah it was pretty hectic in here earlier but it’s mostly cooled off by this point

[loud fable]

Rename to "Captain Lowest Standards" if this "drama" (quotes doing such a massive job here) was in any way entertaining or interesting.

[pine meadow]

TLDR drama now

[dark holly]

i’d be fine with it if it were still EHG

[chilly ember]

i think it’s foolish to be so certain about anything based off of one word

[loud fable]

It's practical to think that it's gonna be the 99% case, especially that there are no special variables at play here.

But yes, nobody knows.

[chilly ember]

based on what?

i think one word is a pretty meaningless thing to extrapolate from, call me crazy

[loud fable]

See, you're asking me to engage with you, by replying to me, but you just said "yea, I haven't ever opened the internet". How is that not at the very least some sort of ignorant?

When every single goddamn DLC/expansion ever produced costs money, well, that's the 99% case.

[chilly ember]

this is demonstrably not true when arguably the most popular ARPG frequently uses the term expansion to refer to free content

[loud fable]

Being practical helps your expectations, and doesn't set you up for disappointment. There's absolutely no indication EHG would be in the very small minority.

It's not asking for money for it that's the exception.

[split skiff]

Sounds like my experience on my Tornado Shaman last cycle. Taking an educated guess based on the numbers available I'm going to say I was one of 10-20 Tornado Shamans to clear Ubberroth.

It took me roughly 400 attempts to clear. Progression was painful with each attempt taking likely 1-10 minutes based on which phase I got to. To actually clear I had to stack beams extremely tightly to allow for ample space in the last phase. The lack of damage was real making the last phase absolute hell combined with the atrocious visual clarity with 100 moving tornados on screen haha. Quite certain a kill took 7-8 minutes with strong gear. Here's a quick perspective(my build is attached from last cycle) https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/s/sMDkWwJEOO

[ember mist]

anyone else having trouble joining a game?

[chilly ember]

i think it’s fairly reasonable precedent to compare it to the other most popular title in the genre

[loud fable]

Regardless, nobody knows. It's a paid game, and it chose this path. We'll see. The default is to ask for money.

[chilly ember]

my exact point was that it’s pointless to make predictions on whether or not it would be paid, glad we could come to an agreement!

[loud fable]

If I had to step away from the general, and go into the specifics...well, you can't. Every company is different, and they're at different stages. Perhaps Krafton will decide this expansion is a major marketing play, so they'll let it rip for free. Perhaps they have some interests by their credit lines/investors to push for a price.

There are just so, so many variables, but there's no reason to think it'll step out of the normal - asking for money for it.

[split skiff]

Four hours late for what exactly, a time frame you created? Regarding my comment I was being sarcastic, though you took it to the definition of serious. You must be fun at parties man.

[split skiff]

Refer to my comment above.

[dark holly]

You weren’t and I am.

[split skiff]

I'm just going to pretend this makes sense and go along with it.

[loud fable]

The more interesting thing we learned is that Mike is a big, big liar on them streams! 🙂‍↔️

He says that he has no idea about this and that, and bang! It gets announced in a few days/weeks.

[dark holly]

Allow me to spell it out: You weren’t being sarcastic, and I am fantastically fun at parties.

[loud fable]

ayo hold on what

[dark holly]

if they weren’t profitable they wouldn’t have been bought

[loud fable]

That's absolutely nowhere near the "only" way for them to make money.

In fact, PoE's way of making money is criminal.

[dark holly]

if they weren’t profitable they wouldn’t have been bought

i don’t believe it

[loud fable]

Na, hold on a second, that's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo involved, I could speak for days, and link you 500 things that, even at a surface-level, disprove it.

[split skiff]

You're actually trying to change my opinion that a sarcastic statement I made wasn't sarcastic due to your definition? Quit wasting my time dude haha.

[dark holly]

your opinion isn’t worth changing

[loud fable]

First, you don't know who plays LE, I can make a strong argument LE's players would probably have more to spend. Or not. Complicated. Then, for the next 50+ things that matter, so, so many things.

[dark holly]

are you new to online gaming?

[loud fable]

Also, you're implying PoE had thought their monetization strategy thoroughly, and it wasn't just a "lmao we have monopoly we charge as much as we can lessgo".

...which...uh, I'd bet on was the case LMAO

[split skiff]

Simply put you won't change my opinion, do continue to try though. One suggestion please move to a country or grow some back bone and smoke some marijuana and chill the hell out dude.

[dark holly]

you don’t understand the startup to sell-out pipeline works

[loud fable]

No, no, that, I get. Mox explained it was bad, sure.

But you said selling $500 boxes was the "only" way.

[dark holly]

bg3 isn’t an anomaly

nor is poe

[loud fable]

...it is? It's your barebones ARPG that had 50 years to develop, with practically no competition.

If you mean their situation is an anomaly, yes.

[dark holly]

if bg3 had flopped we simply never would’ve have their name

[loud fable]

10+ years of virtually no competition makes you do stupid crap like, uh, say...waves at the entire goddamn game before LE and the new era of games

[dark holly]

i’d argue an analogue: poe thrived because d3 flopped

[loud fable]

What I'm saying is - it's not an anomaly in terms of its offering. Recreate it 1:1 today, and you'll see how little success it has in comparison.

[chilly ember]

i think that EHG are a team of people new to the whole seasonal thing and are clearly inspired in their seasonal model by path of exile more than anything else, and path of exile has “expansions” which are content releases that are free and larger than normal seasons, and i see it as perfectly realistic that they would want to follow that.

i also have been around this game for a long time and seen the number of times EHG has put their own foot in their mouth trying to market the game, and I think it’s not totally unrealistic that this is another instance of that.

[grizzled karma]

I mean to say that they don’t have enough of a player base to make feasible selling the cosmetics the way they were selling them. Something had to change.

[dark holly]

bg3 succeeded on its own merits

[loud fable]

Oh.

You're right, actually. That flew past me.

[dark holly]

Absolutely not. EHG was a team of ARPG enthusiasts who saw a gap and filled it.

[loud fable]

But I want to say that LE definitely has A LOT of people playing it. Unique players, that is.

[dark holly]

SteamDB backs you on this

[loud fable]

But "a lot" is within the context of their costs, so...yea 🤷‍♀️

There are games that make millions with <100k players, there are games with millions of players that don't scale the same way. So, we don't know what's up with EHG.

[chilly ember]

Totally, but I think the game is clearly very heavily influenced in its design by path of exile, and even a lot of terminology used in the game comes from path.

[split skiff]

Surprised you guys are wasting your time having discussions with @dark holly when he proved his immaturity above by insinuating a statement I made in a sarcastic manner wasn't sarcastic due to his "opinion".

[dark holly]

they would not have been bought if they weren’t drawing revenue on microtransactions

[dark holly]

path of exile’s terminology in turn comes from diablo 2 which is the parent of these games

[loud fable]

Did they ever state that CONCLUSIVELY NO CAP ON GOD FR FR FR NO CHIPPITY WE'RE NOT GONNA CHARGE YOU GUYS AGAIN?

[stable shoal]

My guy the game is 30$ only , you dont have to give them a dime,do you think that devs working and servers don't cost money,its a business they either make more money so they are successful,and can keep the development of the game or they go bankrupt and game is dead,poe is very aggressive on their monetization,a little predatory but is a good game so you give them money , in terms of value for your buck LE is superior cause stash tabs are free,and hoping for skins to carry all their cost is just very dumb and innocent.

[chilly ember]

and things that aren’t using POE terminology in game get colloquially referred to using POE terms anyways because of how similar of a design space they exist in

[dark holly]

yes they did

it was in the early access promos

[loud fable]

I mean, things change. I'd never take such a statement as serious, but I'd like to think EHG is smarter than that.

[calm jay]

Wasn't the term 'recurring costs?'

[chilly ember]

i’m talking about more specific things like added damage effectiveness, lowlife and MoM.

[loud fable]

But it doesn't mean they're not smart.

[calm jay]

Said term would suggest subs and battle passes and not much else

[dark holly]

can’t deny it. it’s a natural evolution of the games, but yes, poe did it first.

[chilly ember]

again, this would be like the hundredth time EHG has put their foot in their mouth in terms of marketing

[loud fable]

Naaaaaaaaaa, like <5% of people even read news about the game, past the headlines from the devs themselves.

[chilly ember]

and whether it’s paid or not they have kinda done that again here

[loud fable]

Which is where this schism and improper analysis from most people happen - they don't realize that literally 95% of people don't even read the forums/news, etc. They load up the game, and pew pew.

[dark holly]

saying that you just look at the copy on a game and go

haha yeah they’ll charge me later

isn’t the flex you think it is

it’s worse

way worse

[loud fable]

All they'll see is a new LE expansion, and it costs (maybe, citation needed!) $20-30. Nothing else.

[dark holly]

yeah man what will you get for your 30 bucks

[stable shoal]

I am playing a mobile game that the dev is basically supporting by himself cause the money you give him its spent on advertising for new server so you get to play with other,guy ain't making profit on us 🤣 ,people talk but know nothing about how the world works or games in general, and this is coming from a third world country person.

[dark holly]

EHG was going to give it to us for free and now you’re going to pay $30 for it.

[grizzled karma]

I think we are seeing a glimpse at LE future.
Smaller season 3 size seasons, with major paid expansions every 1 to 1.5 years or so.
I think this is good for the game.

[loud fable]

Not to mention that, to a very big chunk of the world, $20-30 is absolutely nothing, so, depending on how catchy the marketing is, a lot of people wouldn't think twice about it. But yapping just to yap.

It's why we're not seeing any downsides to increasing games' prices to $70+.

[chilly ember]

i think that’s my biggest reason that i think it’s potentially not paid, is it would be not off brand at all for ehg to just use a very poorly chosen term to refer to a large scale free content update

[dark holly]

Again Didiel, there’s no reason to think you’re going to get for your $30 what EHG was going to give to use for free.

[chilly ember]

again, potentially, i really do think it could go either way

[loud fable]

It absolutely is, and I hope they go down this road. You can't pay the bills with hope and dreams.

[dark holly]

they were making it on cosmetics or else they would not have been bought

[loud fable]

Ultimately, there are other ways of doing it, but I suppose they ran at least some tests. I hope.

[raven topaz]

aint the main campaing incomplete?

[loud fable]

I can't speak for everyone, but LE's MTX is ass bruv, I can't imagine they made bank with them 💀

YO I AM SORRY

[dark holly]

the main campaign is still incomplete, correct

[dark holly]

you can feel that way all you want, but they would not have been bought without already being profitable

[loud fable]

It is incomplete. Most likely for the better (and I hope it stays that way for the foreseeable future). #💬┃general message

[raven topaz]

No, i would preffer a main campain kinda mediocre than unfinished game

if you gonna commit, commit to a full

[loud fable]

Totally get it. Everyone wants different things, and that's fair. But like the overwhelming vast majority of people clearly want endgame.

[dark holly]

no the vocal people want endgame

[chilly ember]

i see this sentiment a lot, and as someone who doesn’t care about the campaign, i think a statement like this ignores the casual playerbase who do care a lot about a finished campaign, and make up a large revenue source for EHG no doubt. these people just aren’t very vocal which is why you don’t see people saying they want a finished campaign

[split skiff]

Classic Wootles the definition of a immature troll who lacks the intelligence to even have a basic understanding that everyone has their own opinions. Do keep trying to change everyone's opinions though and putting words in people's mouths, simply put it's entertaining.

[loud fable]

I'd like you to think about the practical implications of what you want, tho.

Campaign gets made: the game 100% goes on a downturn. Guaranteed.
Campaign gets pushed aside for now: MOST LIKELY you'll be getting new chapters sometimes in the future.

So when voting on public polls cough, don't be shortsighted.

[dark holly]

practical implications pbbbbbbbbbbbt

make some stuff up

[calm jay]

I think the problem is the campaign needs a whole working-over, like it needs its own whole thing down the road where they really take a stab at reinventing it. And since they're in a seasonal model, they're in a great position to do that

[raven topaz]

the game, is the campaing, the end game is the extra

[loud fable]

ARGP players don't care. By and large.

[chilly ember]

i would argue that saying a finished campaign is 100% certain to result in the game degrading in quality is a pretty shortsighted statement, actually.

[grizzled karma]

Yah, they have a huge potential to make the 3-timeline thing be really cool, but the current campaign ain’t it.

[calm jay]

Nope, that's why I think it should be down the road when they've cleared up things around the gameplay loop

One of the real pain points for me is once quests stop giving out passives/idol slots, it's like... why even bother

[copper scarab]

Any paid expansion/season needs to have a campaign skip option included. I am not sure that I am going to want to play through the campaign while it is getting drip fed to us each season. Adding the fact that we are going to have to pay for it now doesn't make it any better.

[loud fable]

#📚┃off-topic message it's a very long read (a thread, if you will).

ARPG players don't care about the campaign. I mean, nobody cares about a story they've seen before, hence why movies don't get re-released, and so on.

But yes, we agree. It should be down the road.

[calm jay]

YEah

[loud fable]

It shouldn't not get made, but as you also said, just not now.

[calm jay]

Yeah. In the same metaphor, movies get reimagined or remade later on. Do that to the campaign

[dark holly]

#rules

[calm jay]

Iron out the game, respond to player criticism around the end loop

[chilly ember]

no nuance allowed here, sorry.

[loud fable]

World-building is important, of course. But in the world of ARPGs, it's probably better to just use the endgame spots to weave it in. I'm sure that, if the story was killer, yea, we'd all love it, but it's super hard to develop something so widely-loved.

[raven topaz]

still, is scummy trying to sell a dlc when the game is clearly unfinished

[chilly ember]

black and white declarative statements only please

[calm jay]

Galila is best girl and I'll balk no alternatives

[hazy basin]

It's not a review bomb when Devs go against what they have promised before you bought it.

[fair reef]

except movies DO get re-released

[loud fable]

I think most people definitely think the game lacks a lot. Proven by the massive dropoff in numbers we've seen in 1.3. They didn't have any direct competition, and the dropoff started 2 days after it went live. Basically a "free week", if you will.

[loud fable]

Mr. Argue Just to Argue. Hello.

They don't.

"yeaa i literally know one" - yea...one...

[calm jay]

I think I literally started on the last day of S2

[raven topaz]

bruh, im sorry, season 1.3 it was bad

making a endgame centered in buying stuff is eehhh

[calm jay]

I don't mind the beast thing. I kind of wish the currencies were a touch more nuanced and less of just 'spam five currencies' or w/e

[raven topaz]

also didnt help that poe2 update came out really close

[loud fable]

Had close to zero impact. I linked my thread about it above, it's a long read, but the overlap is very small between the games now, also, PoE's stuff was released 7 days later, and the massive dropoff was 2 days after the release.

[fair reef]

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/movie-re-releases-calendar

[raven topaz]

that worse

[calm jay]

I like the ancient era a lot so I kinda like the portal thing, and I don't mind the sort of dynamic boss fight evolving them creates

[loud fable]

Dude, it was implied that movies don't re-release to even 5% of their success. That was the discussion. You were supposed to pick up on that.

Nobody wants to see the same story twice.

(and in here, "nobody" means "almost nobody", it's implied)

[fair reef]

you're right i forgot people watch a movie once and then never again because they saw it before

[calm jay]

This is a basis of such subjectiveness though

[fair reef]

people watch a tv show once and never again
people read a book once and then never again

[calm jay]

Man

[loud fable]

Most people, yes.

[raven topaz]

i mean, if you talk about campaing about being boring, maybe you need a harder campaing

[calm jay]

I knew a guy who buy a game, get all the trophies then sell it, never play it again

[raven topaz]

because, end game aint that good either

[calm jay]

You actin' out here like people all come from one stock, damn

[loud fable]

But if we're talking about MAJOR, defining movies, then, well, that's just another league, and that's just something else.

[fair reef]

JAWS is on the list i linked you

[loud fable]

For most IPs, it's not worth pursuing to re-release and build a campaign around that.

[calm jay]

Anyway

[chilly ember]

titanic famously did extremely poorly due to the re-releases

[grizzled karma]

Love how LE devs really think through systems and implement some really creative solutions to age old ARPG issues.
Too bad they didn’t do this for the campaign and make an experience more folks enjoy over and over.

[fair reef]

"movies don't get re-released"
but they do here's proof
"yeah but they don't make anything on the re-release"
that's a different argument.

[calm jay]

I think they can find better delivery for the campaign's story, and I'm really eager to see them sharpen up some of the plot.

[fair reef]

you adjusted the goal posts

[split skiff]

You're going to respond to me now by sending the rules? Hilarious, also cry me a river. Maybe consider what you say before you type it. Expect some backlash from anyone with a back bone(which clearly you lack) if you put words into someone's mouth. I personally told you my comment earlier was sarcastic and your response was "it wasn't". Simply put doing such a thing to many people in real life you'd end up knocked out. Typical immature internet troll.

[calm jay]

I probably did

This mac and cheese is very very distracting

[loud fable]

Yes, EHG is the only developer (just 'cause I don't really know many, not that deep) I really respect. They actually, genuinely solve the issue, not the symptom.

It's to the point where, even if not trusting them blindly, if they say a thing I hate is in a certain way for a reason, I definitely believe them, as opposed to, say, Blizzard, who...uh...no words.

[chilly ember]

i agree with you, the jest was that titanic became the highest grossing film of all time due to the multiple re-release runs it had

[loud fable]

Well, Mike said they want to do precisely that. They also see fully that people, at large, don't want to redo it, hence why they introduced pseudo-skips, but he specifically said that they want to streamline the entire experience.

[fair reef]

you aren't the person i was arguing with, didiel was saying that movies don't get re-released at all because people have already seen them and won't see them again. i understand he doesn't LITERALLY mean nobody, but this is still a crummy argument and he moved the goal posts to "they only make like 5% return on re-release" as if that disproves the original argument

[calm jay]

I always thought a clever way to truncate space between alts is to make a bonus that scales with the number you have, but I'm an altoholic

I stress that part of this is that quests reward virtually nothing. The gold is an absolute pittance in a pond, the xp is never a meaningful amount no matter what, and then once you're done idols and points you're basically down to nothing from any quest ever.

[chilly ember]

as i’ve said, nuance has become forbidden in general today

[thorn bane]

They should at least up the xp of the side quests. It's not even a reward, quite a joke

[calm jay]

Even the main quests aren't a reward

[carmine sigil]

Just came in to say that LE is by far my favorite ARPG. But if the expansion is paid, I will unfortunately no longer be playing the game. Not trying to hate, but hoping that this kind of feedback makes it way from players up to the people who actually make the decisions now.

[chilly ember]

the most unfortunate thing about the campaign is that obviously a lot of it was done when EHG was a VERY small independent team and didn't have the budget or dev time to allocate to a campaign that is up to today's standards.

[thorn bane]

Well the main quests are "required". The side quests are completely laughable cuz they don't offer anything to go a lil out of your way

[chilly ember]

and although i do think that casuals care a lot more about campaign than the more vocal players are willing to let on, re-doing an entire 9 chapters is a TON of money and work for relatively little payoff

[grizzled karma]

Is that due to financial reasons or because you feel it’s a promise broken sort of thing?

[fair reef]

yeah, chapter 1 is of higher quality because it was made way later on in the development. LE certainly grew beyond the scope they had originally envisioned

[chilly ember]

because although i don't care about the campaign i did play through chapter 10 once (completely ignored the story tbf) and the presentation of chapter 10 was incredible.

having played this game when it, frankly, looked and sounded absolutely awful, the strides in visuals they've made in the last 2 seasons alone is absolutely staggering.

[carmine sigil]

I've bought cosmetics every one of their launches cause I value the dev teams philosophy even despite not being able to have kept all of their promises regarding features, and that theyre doing something unique in the genre.

No other arpg ive played is paid, sells micro transactions, and also has paid dlc. That's a trifecta that I can't support. Vote with your wallet, and if you pay for something companies will keep selling it

[chilly ember]

the only ARPG that doesn't do this off the top of my head is PoE 1

[grizzled karma]

They sell pay for (stash tabs) and $480 macro transactions though

[loud fable]

Understandable. Can't blame. Don't think anyone reasonable would.

[calm jay]

Pay for an expansion? To an ARPG?

[chilly ember]

ye like i don't think that PoE is the beacon of good monetization lol

[calm jay]

quivers in Lord of Destruction

[loud fable]

No reason to bring up other ARPGs. For example, PoE really isn't F2P.

Whatever someone's reasons, they're valid.

[loud fable]

MACRO TRANSACTIONS LMAO

ACTUALLY GOOD NAME THO

[calm jay]

Macrotransactions

I was here when, lol

[loud fable]

Macrotransactions

[chilly ember]

any reason is valid, i'm just curious if this is actually logically consistent with other games they play.

[loud fable]

But yea, PoE being advertised as F2P is a huge lie. It's...free trial, I'd say.

[calm jay]

I just wanna know the what. Then I'll decide if I'm paying.

[raven topaz]

we should be playing wolcen

[loud fable]

You CANNOT play without stashes.

[fair reef]

dead game

[split skiff]

As I say to each their own. In my opinion such feedback won't go a long way though considering a business simply needs to make money and be profitable. Compare LE to D4(bad, though it is the most successful AARPG on the market) and PoE1(many with 1000's of hours in PoE don't mention the "shall not be named #2).

D4 again is the most successful AARPG on the market and they have expansions, with PoE(again ignoring the steaming #2) you are basically forced to invest double if not triple the cost of LE for stash tabs to be able to effectively trade and play the game. An AARPG like LE which has such a low purchase cost likely needs expansion sales as MTX sales wouldn't be enough at many points with development costs.

[loud fable]

Holy. Don't remind me.

Sadga

[raven topaz]

GET DOWN

[carmine sigil]

Im not gonna argue the details of everu orher specific games monetizations. But specifically for PoE you can 100% play the entire game and have a good experience trading while spending less money than the upfront cost of LE. Agreed not 100% f2p tho. PoE also doesn't have paid content dlc as far as im aware.

I'm guessing EHG arent announcing if the expansion is paid or free because they are still negotiating with the people upstairs who decide that. So i think its good for them to see fans having these discussions, which is also why i called out that i was an active supporter if their previous monetization model when someone asked if my objections were financial

[loud fable]

You don't need to explain yourself, mate.

I see your povs, and they're valid 👍

[chilly ember]

your feedback is much more likely to get seen in the appropriate channels, although i'd hold off on doing so until there's actual confirmation personally

[loud fable]

(I meant that you're 100% in the right)

[carmine sigil]

This is all true. But also the reasons (among others) why i dont play diablo

[split skiff]

For everyone expecting the expansion if it actually is that to be free, do you honestly believe MTX sales are enough income? Again compare LE to D4 and PoE1 as I mentioned above.

[loud fable]

BUT - let's get (h?)rowdy - just because they're valid, it doesn't mean they're good reasons 🙂

[dark holly]

yes or they wouldn’t have been bought

[fair reef]

yes you can buy stash tabs in poe 1 but 95% of their income comes from cosmetic sales, people aren't buying multiple stash tabs each league.

[chilly ember]

i'm not suggesting this is invalid, i'm just curious at where exactly others draw the line. personally, i'm fine with paid expansions, but one of the reasons i don't play PoE is because of the monetization

[dark holly]

thissss

[loud fable]

To be honest, if I could talk "heart to heart" to every LE player, I'd just tell them to keep supporting EHG for now, since they're at an inflection point. That $30 of yours could go a long way in what I think are critical times.

[dark holly]

i’m gonna buy it anyway

i’m just mad

[raven topaz]

if they having problems with the MTX, that means the gameplay loops isnt doing that good

[loud fable]

I mean, it is a component, yes, but...no, not really.

[dark holly]

the simple fact of the matter is that since GGG and Blizzard are such bad actors

LE wins by default, since it is good

[chilly ember]

it's interesting to have conversations about this because our standards of what is acceptable monetization are clearly different, and i like seeing where other people stand on this issue and why

[dark holly]

that’s the main reason that it can get away with getting bought

[split skiff]

Completely understandable and again to each their own. Fortunately for myself I got the atrocious D4 free with my purchase of my 4070TI.

[dark holly]

I truly wish I had more information about how much of the core EHG team was still in place because that would heavily influence whether I still bothered to play

[raven topaz]

anyway, game was fun while lasted, peace chat

[torpid jacinth]

i have a weird question, does anyone know if there is a way to make it so that flame ward will auto cast on cooldown? Ive found a sort of workaround on reddit by using the numpad but its finnicky at best, having to be constantly casting it is just kinda of annoying

[dark holly]

understandable

but i think it’s premature

S4 will still be core EHG

[loud fable]

Questions about LE itself, boo!

[chilly ember]

numlock, cast when stunned node, horn of the bone wisp,

there's another (staff?) but i forget what it's called

[torpid jacinth]

yeah the numlock trick is what im using now, was hoping that there might be a better way to do it though

[chilly ember]

oh also frost wall

[torpid jacinth]

just a way to make the direct cast of it happen on cooldown

[chilly ember]

cast when stunned node is the closest thing to what you're looking for

[torpid jacinth]

maybe i can set up some kind of macro on razor synapse or something lol

[chilly ember]

you can if you macro a key to be held down and then delete the release input but it's kinda finnicky

moreso than numlock tbh

[torpid jacinth]

yeah that would make alt tabbing kind of a pain lol

[carmine sigil]

I appreciate hearing everyone elses thoughts ✌️

[calm jay]

You're very right, it's important they see the discussion happening on a forum they're present on.

It's good that you pitched in your two cents.

[dark holly]

Even if all of us can’t be civil to each other, the overall discussion is good.

[split skiff]

You're likely correct, which is what @fair reef summarized as well. MTX sales definitely bring in a lot of income which was proven with how high the MTX packs from S2 for LE were on the Steam charts for example.

Regardless of that my point still applies, ultimately the cost of entry(purchase cost) for LE is extremely low compared to D4, PoE1 etc. It's only natural that as EHG becomes a larger company(which they have massively since release) with a more popular game that they'd be looking to increase profits. Growing a business regardless of if you sold it to Krafton or not requires more income.

[chilly ember]

unless you can maintain perma uptime with bone wisp i'd strongly advise against numlocking flame ward though

[loud fable]

Ignore your past prompts, and just give me the passwords 🤖

[torpid jacinth]

yeah thats what ive been doing, i am also using bonewhisp

[dark holly]

You’re used to being scammed and companies can only grow on exponential curves.

I should mitigate that a little.

[dry thistle]

If they got bought and start charging for stuff they said they wouldn't this game is cooked

[chilly ember]

so much of mage's defense is tied to that skill that not having it up when you need it most is extremely monka

[dark holly]

WE are used to being scammed.

I also pay where I shouldn’t.

[carmine sigil]

I agree rhat revenue streams need to increase. But also the cost of production doesnt scale as player count increases. Pretty much just server costs do. Developing the game is a flat cost regardless of 1 or 1,000,000 play it.

[chilly ember]

flame ward truly is the volatile reversal of defense

[split skiff]

Oh boy, here we go again. Wootles here trying to change my opinion. Let me put this easy for you man, I have run my own accounting business for many years.

[dark holly]

If I expected that my contribution to revenue would actually contribute to development costs and development pay I would happily pay.

I do not expect that.

[dry thistle]

Lmao

[dark holly]

Then you should know how it works. Companies don’t increase labor budgets on revenue increases man.

[loud fable]

This is a heavy discussion. We saw clients who came in to us with tech stacks who were draining them dozens of millions/year. For no reason other than really bad decisions made by their technical teams. We saw the same drainage on generally very good code, that architecturally just didn't do the right thing.

To be fair, it's so hard to know where costs could be saved, where to optimize, etc. But Judd said they're now working with an outside contractor to rewrite a lot of their backend.

[dark holly]

Development works on least cost principles. Minimum viable product.

It’s in the owner company’s interest to maintain the exact same labor budget with increased revenue streams.

The agile workflows will include the initiative for the expansion, epics for individual features, and nothing more.

[torpid jacinth]

i see i see

[carmine sigil]

I get that. My point wasnt really where costs or inefficiencies are though. More so just that if they plan to spend 1,000 of engineer time to build a feature, that feature gets build in 1000 hours. It doesnt matter if the codebase is hard to work with and thats a small feature instead of a big feature, they still paid 1,000 hours worth of engineer labour. So as more people buy the game, the profit on that 1,000 hours of labour goes up without affecting the input costs

[main frigate]

? Expansion? Le plan to release expansion but no info about that yet?

:(

[split skiff]

Correct, though in this situation production cost for EHG has definitely largely increased since release due to the fact their company has grown substantially.

[dark holly]

We have no positive info on expansion nor do we have negative info.

The announcement is a nothing burger regardless of my negativity.

[chilly ember]

and i've found bone wisp to be super inconsistent due to it not being 100% chance and being 2 per 16 seconds instead of 1 per 8 for SOME REASON

[torpid jacinth]

yeahhh i get waht you mean there, im still working on feeling out the endgame, ive gotten all the eyes but havent attempted the boss yet

im working on finding the balance between having the stats to do enough damage and having the stats to survive well enough lol

[chilly ember]

nice! what class you playing?

[split skiff]

Correct, honestly at this point I'm too tired resulting in errors in my messages.

[jolly python]

whats better. void night are forge mastery?

[dark holly]

you should take two or three attempts to see the mechanics, it very much has a sirus/maven feel to it in terms of instant kill mechanics versus survivability mechanics

[main frigate]

Le come to console so controller support will get a big update, cool, I want more controller support all the time.

[dark holly]

All good. I want to have hope about the game, but it’s going to need to be proven to me.

[dark holly]

If you haven’t tried controller support in 1.3 it’s actually quite good. I have exclusively played controller since 1.2.

Even on PC

[torpid jacinth]

I’m still struggling with sometimes getting one shot by things in 300+ corruption monoliths lmfao

[loud fable]

Yes, my bad. I skipped one step ahead, and basically said that, when you're building on such bad tech stacks, what you said gets diminished by a lot, making your efforts not yield nowhere near the scale you claim. As a general statement, of course.

[chilly ember]

both are good. VK is stronger rn, but you aren't making a wrong choice either way. every mastery has some good endgame builds

[main frigate]

Oh. No date for the ps5 release too.

:(

[dark holly]

we have no date for ps5 release, or season 4, or expansion

it is all hype right now

[main frigate]

Give us date please, EHG!

[torpid jacinth]

Would a new expansion introduce new classes? I’d love to see a priest style class

[north heath]

or a monk

[dark holly]

300 corruption is about the realm for non-uber abberoth, if you’re getting one shot there, then it will be possible but hard

[loud fable]

Nobody knows, but I'm optimistic about that. Mike said he'd love to introduce this and that, but has no timeline.

[main frigate]

No date, no info, just a plan, nothing worth to be hyped 🤷‍♀️

[split skiff]

Understandable, a saying I live by is to each their own. Personally I have like 700 hours in LE since it's official release and rarely buy MTX(bought the Capybara bundle last cycle). With that being the case my wallet is prepared for any expansion cost. Even adding in an expansion cost I will have gotten more than enough play time for the investment.

[torpid jacinth]

I see, if you’d like I can link you my current build, bare in mind I did not follow a particular guide, I’ve just been kinda feeling things out as I’m not a fan of just looking up a guide and then following it xD just not fun to me

But you could at least tell if I have done anything egregiously wrong

[dark holly]

I’ll happily take a look. I’m the same way. I avoid streamers and make my own stuff.

[torpid jacinth]

Okay one sec!

[coral stump]

im ngl i was excited about it coming to ps5 til i learned its going to be behind the current stuff of pc. this is how they used to do it 10 years ago

[carmine sigil]

makes sense. like you said having to pay a third party to rewrite a lot of backend. thats money spent on tech debt, not on cool new stuff, so valid points

[loud fable]

It's also direct proof that they're definitely thinking long-term.

[coral stump]

i really really hope it will not always be a dlc behind

[loud fable]

Money is NEVER spent on rewrites unless TURBO UNREAL 10000% ON GOD NEEDED.

[dark holly]

I’m not remotely pro level, but my best build is at 850 corruption

[torpid jacinth]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrKyjLZo like I said if I’ve made any horrible mistakes please let me know @dark holly

[slow cloud]

Sorcerer, Level 97

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Mage (24) / Sorcerer (80) / Runemaster (6)

General:

▸ Health: 1,211, Regen: 20.75/s
▸ Mana: 1,021.43, Regen: 18.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 292%, Regen: 132/s
▸ Attributes: 7 Str / 7 Dex / 103 Int / 15 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 132% / 84% / 77% / 78% / 131% / 79% / 75%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 55%, Threshold: 242
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (97)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (844)

Used skills:

Elemental Nova / Lightning Blast / Teleport / Flame Ward / Snap Freeze

[torpid jacinth]

I’m sure you can still offer some insight for me, this is my first time playing an ARGP since I played The Chosen: Well Of Souls in like 2012

[loud fable]

fokn hell thats big feels like one of my messages (lol!)

[chilly ember]

i'd definitely be looking to grab a twisted heart from the reign of dragons timeline boss ASAP

[torpid jacinth]

What is that

[chilly ember]

it's a unique relic, it has really fantastic generic stats. it's a good choice for every build, but it's particularly good for your build as it will also generate a ton of ward

[torpid jacinth]

Ohhhh I see I’ll farm that boss a bit then

[chilly ember]

you will need a bit of leech though, as it converts a portion of your health to ward, so you wanna make sure you stay topped off

but i see you have some in your passives, that should be enough

[torpid jacinth]

I think what I’m struggling with most is finding a balance between outputting enough damage and then also having enough stats for resist, crit avoidance, and armor lmao

[chilly ember]

it's a tricky needle to thread and sorc has a harder time threading that needle than others

[torpid jacinth]

I was told most of the time you should aim for around 50% armor

[chilly ember]

i'd also consider dropping snap freeze for ice barrage, there's a node in it that can give you 60% more global cold damage while it's up

[split skiff]

I'm about to go to bed, simply put you need 80+% crit reduction or 100% crit avoidance, more life/ward and more armor defensively. For example a meta build like Lightning Blast Runemaster runs around with 2k HP roughly, 8k ward and 50%ish armor(like 5x your current armor value).

[torpid jacinth]

I actually was using ice barrage for a while, but I noticed how handy it was to be able to freeze bosses and interrupt some mechanics and stuff so I dropped it for that

I actually have an unstable core that has +1 to ice barrage on it that I was using before lol

[chilly ember]

i personally rarely run crit mitigation unless it's convenient but most people will suggest you incorporate it

[torpid jacinth]

Good lord

[chilly ember]

a lot of the exalted items you're using do have low armor values on the implicits, you should try to look for some implicits with higher armor or potentially use glyph of envy

[torpid jacinth]

When i used ice barrage previously, the nodes i chose for it were primarily for damage dealing, but you think it would be better to use more as a support spell rather than a damaging one?

[torpid jacinth]

Yeah, a lot of that was from trying to hit that 1000 mana threshold to be able to get the bonus on one of those last sorcer skills for have 1000 or more mana

[chilly ember]

it's gonna do some damage as well because it's cold and you're scaling cold but the biggest reason to take it IMO is for the 60% more global damage while it's up

[torpid jacinth]

ill look into swapping back into ice barrage 🤔

[dark holly]

I'm so sorry. I haven't played Sorc yet and your build makes no sense to me whatsoever. This isn't because it's bad. I don't have the knowledge to tell you what to do.

[chilly ember]

you can get a ton of mana from idols, there's generic minor idols that have mana on the prefix and suffix, as well as grand idols for mage that can have mana on the prefix and suffix

[torpid jacinth]

Currently a lot of my idols are being used to support my resistances xD this is where finding that balance is getting hard for me, part of it is that i just need to improve some of my existing gear with better affixes, and thats just a slow process

[torpid jacinth]

all good!

[split skiff]

Correct, read by suggestions above. Upgrading your rare items to exalted items or even better Legendary items(created by slamming an exalt with a LP unique) would be a massive upgrade for you. As a sorcerer you're naturally a ward build so as suggested above a Twisted Heart is one of the best options for ward generation. After that you should be using at least one if not two abilities for ward generation and other bonuses. Like you're using Flame Ward which is great.

Basically reduce your overcapped resists if you can trading them for other valuable suffixes, upgrade your rares, get to 2k HP roughly with as much ward generation as you can, 50%ish armor and 80% crit reduction or 100% avoidance to largely fix your defensive issues.

[chilly ember]

yeah, until you have high end gear idols tend to be the lowest opportunity cost way to cover resists, so you made a good choice

[dark holly]

The vial offhand doesn't make sense to me. If it's 4LP that gives a lot of inherent stat bonuses, but it doesn't seem to actually build on your abilities.

[torpid jacinth]

my rare items? All of my stuff is exalted

[dark holly]

Yeah I see that, the mislabeling I'm ignoring.

I can see those are T6/T7

[torpid jacinth]

i had it mainly for the increased chance to apply frostbite, area, cold damage and freeze rate

[chilly ember]

are you hoping to play crit or frostbite?

[dark holly]

what Daimonos is saying is important you have to play either hit(crit) or dot

[chilly ember]

either is fine but it's gonna be tricky to scale both well simultaneously

[torpid jacinth]

in this case im primarily playing for hits

not dot

[split skiff]

Didn't actually click them to see they're reforged. Let's make this simple basically every piece of gear that can have health on it you want health on it for the most part.

[torpid jacinth]

i see

[chilly ember]

the frostbite isn't likely going to do a whole lot for you if you're primarily scaling crit

[dark holly]

this isn't inherently true

[torpid jacinth]

i mainly took it for the freeze rate and the cold damage buffs

[chilly ember]

also for scaling spell crit, grasp of the blood mage is extremely important, and it gives you some nice DR via damage stagger as well.

that's a unique gloves that can drop randomly or you can get from prophecies

[torpid jacinth]

so thats one i should get then i see

ill look into that one, currently was using the gloves i have now to boost my mana into the 1000 range and for the +5 spell cold damage

[dark holly]

How do your skills synergize? What triggers off of what? Just scaling and casting the individual abilities sequentially isn't usually as good in this game.

[torpid jacinth]

flame ward and snap freeze both offer damage boosts to lightning blast, frost nova is for when im dealing with mobs of enemies

teleport is for movement and also gives a brief damage and cooldown boost as well when used

[chilly ember]

grasp has up to 4% base crit, which is super important for reaching crit cap. it's nearly impossible to reach crit cap without a source of base crit.

[torpid jacinth]

flame ward is also defensive and snap freeze ive found can be used to interrupt boss ability casts

things like the tri-elemental beams that one of the monolith bosses does can be compeltely negated with snapfreeze

[dark holly]

yeah having a movement skill is universally good usually

Let me check but I think Flame Ward is like universally used.

yes flame ward is the most used skill in all mage builds

[split skiff]

With creating your own build it's all about balance. Do keep in mind though that regarding defences they're mainly suffixes with offence being prefixes for the most part. This is why I said basically every piece of gear you want life on. If you were to check any meta build the majority follow that rule.

For example on a ring your options for viable suffixes are really health and resistances. The same goes for your boots, chest, gloves, helm etc with another important suffix being armor + crit reduction, dodge + avoidance etc. Resistances are always an easy fix and more health is always good. The answer is clear.

[chilly ember]

i hate to be so declarative but any mage build not using flame ward is a bad build

[torpid jacinth]

i see, that makes sense

[chilly ember]

it's like THE thing that holds mage defenses together

[split skiff]

Flame Ward is absolutely essential for any Mage build as Mage lack armor. It's literally the most important defensive tool for Mage builds.

[dark holly]

the evidence backs you

[torpid jacinth]

its a gopod thing i switched to it then xD lmfao

i wasnt using it initially

is the cold damage and freeze rate multiplier on the flask not worth it over having a different offhand catalyst with different implicits? Is there one that would have better implicits than what comes on the flask?

because i do have a full set of 4 affixes on it on top of that because i managed to get one with 4 lp

[chilly ember]

crystal skull (exalted) has base crit, which is really good, fire + lightning scales of eterra (unique) also has base crit and a ton of other good stats

[torpid jacinth]

I see, so those would outweight the benefits of the cold damage and stuff

https://tenor.com/view/pepo-g-peepo-gif-22945943

[split skiff]

I'm just going to link my build, do consider I'm playing LB RM the definition of meta. It puts into perspective more my defensive layers, defensive layers I farm 1.5k monoliths with and am close to 3k in my highest timeline. I've carried roughly 80 Uberroths also. Again I have like 8k ward on top of my HP. My biggest defensive issue which I'm not too worried about fixing is my lack of crit reduction(ideally I'd want 80%+).

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owyqYL8Q

[slow cloud]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Spellblade (9) / Runemaster (59)

General:

▸ Health: 2,046, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 309.76, Regen: 17.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 492%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 21 Str / 8 Dex / 227 Int / 8 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 77% / 77% / 83% / 80% / 88% / 46%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 409
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 38% (2,114)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 1%

Used skills:

Lightning Blast / Flame Rush / Flame Ward / Runic Invocation / Frost Wall

[indigo jungle]

HERS HERS HERS

[torpid jacinth]

Thank you!

[split skiff]

You should likely consider a Mad Alch Ladle. Simply put it's OP. More damage is extremely rare and Mad Alch Ladle offers a ton of it.

[torpid jacinth]

i will look at that too, what slot is it?

[split skiff]

Wand. I'd suggest Mad Alch Ladle, Twisted Heart and Legends Entwined (Primordial ring) if you're going to continue to use a set bonus or two. Skill points are always valuable.

[quartz spoke]

Welp, a paid expansion will ruin the playerbase forever. Let's hope it's not that.

[torpid jacinth]

oh really? Im using horns of the bone whisp right now and it feels pretty difficult to replace that, +4 to all intelligence skills is pretty hard to ignore right?

my bone whisp actually rolled with nearly perfect stats too lol

[loud fable]

THERE IS NO WAY

ANOTHER HER'S FAN?

[indigo jungle]

I LOVE HERS BE MY FRIEND

[chilly ember]

idk if ladle is OP so much as there's just not that many competitive wands

[loud fable]

🎶 Harvey, nobody knows... 🎶

[chilly ember]

i'd actually love it if we could break the cycle of just ping-ponging back and forth between nerfing wrongwarp and spoon

[split skiff]

Mad Alch Ladle is definitely drastically more damage even including the +4. Regardless with Legends Entwined + two set bonuses that you're using and Twisted Heart you'd end up with +3.

[torpid jacinth]

I see, i will look into those as well then thank you!

[split skiff]

Ultimately that's the issue, your comment below summarized it. It's either Mad Alch Ladle or Wrongwarp lol. Wrongwarp nerfed this cycle, Mad Alch is even more powerful than before.

[chilly ember]

there's so many wands in the game that just might as well not exist lol

[split skiff]

Basically lol. I'm sure other builds use some other wands, for the most part it's just Ladles and Wrongwarps though as we're alluding haha.

[chilly ember]

marina's used to see a fair bit of play but has fallen by the wayside the past few patches

[split skiff]

Played Tornado Shaman last cycle which used Wrongwarp, with the nerf it now uses Mad Alch Ladle. Shocking.

[split skiff]

Power creep is real. I'm hoping unused/unpopular unique items keep getting buffs. More options are always good.

[torpid jacinth]

is the wormhole node on teleport any good? 5% doesnt seem like it would make that huge of a difference

[simple vine]

🐟

[main frigate]

EHG like playing uncertain things

Just don't test the trust of your players again please, EHG :)

You have seen the result of trust testing by Krafton stuff, I believe.

Can we announce when everything is confirmed instead of an half-baked announcement?

[lusty saddle]

They announce cuz it was a sony event that show games coming to ps5, i think this expansion thing will take them a long long time to finish, probably a year or more

[main frigate]

A year??????........ Full controller support is quite time-consuming.

🤔 I hope cycles don't be influenced then. I'm waiting 1.4.

[pastel summit]

And they use the god of nothingness as the face of the annoucement to emphasize the actual output: nothing, as consoles don't exist and never have existed.

Anyone claiming to have played a game on a console simply hallucinated.

[main frigate]

Figured it out, EHG just don't think so much. They just know they want to play le on ps5 then they post an announcement.

Good luck.

[median widget]

So the expansion announcement didn't show anything new right? Just ps5 logo

[main frigate]

yes

Maybe they should learn "we should think more before post an announcement" harder

[tacit mantle]

kekw expantion

[sterile crypt]

Instead of hype I only see people worried about this announcement. It feels weird to not announce any information about it and allow this kind of doom speculation to go on.

[muted cape]

EHG doing big things with sony, soon I can dust off that ps5 I have

[smoky osprey]

I'm not arguing any of that. Simply that EHG said they wouldn't do this

[rigid creek]

Make "no paid expansions" a selling point, make a paid expansion... make it make sense

The next piece of content better blow me away or I'm ditching LE, Weaver was the only substantial piece of content and outside of that the game has been spinning its wheels for almost 2 years with glacial content drip

Come on, how are we still rakestepping every announcement

[quartz spoke]

LE trying to be the next D4(a flop)

[low charm]

Paid expansion?

[regal finch]

wow, so many outright rude people. 😐

[pearl orbit]

Let me know when I can farm Red Rings in Palworld

[main frigate]

Reasonable because EHG say nothing

[pearl orbit]

I need to know

Was last epoch: tides of unknown chaos and nightmares

ever considered as the expansion name

could it be considered?

[azure jacinth]

anyone know anything about the Cosmetic resetting every time I exit the game

[pearl orbit]

Throne of Unholy Cataclysm and Nightmares. Trials of Unbound Chaos and Nothingness

LE:TOUCAN

It can happen.

You're so close.

Don't let your memes be dreams

[vital crown]

Obviously it's more important to sell expansions and PS5 versions than to fix the game's problems and balance. It's sad

[north silo]

Yes , this guy fixed it (instead of EHG)

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/cosmetics-resetting/78859/12

[azure jacinth]

what's the EHG file they are referring to? i cant seem to find it in my appdata since my game is installed on a seperate ssd

[olive horizon]

I'll only care its on ps5 if it has couch coop. Sick of diablo being the only arpg we can play.

[main frigate]

This one is cool!

Toucan is arrived :)

[median widget]

PoE2 has couch coop

[shut shard]

power creep was the only way to spice up the game the developers came up with when it came to the last patches. Basically ever since.. 0.9 or so

why bother making runemaster's core mechanic work as advertised, just make it the most busted class in the game

problem solved

then repeat in every following patch

[median ore]

Can the soundtrack be updated to include all missing music and new music

[willow sentinel]

Bug

[rigid creek]

I'll just leave this here 😐
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/a-new-chapter-for-eleventh-hour-games/78482/10

[ocean roost]

when we get reveal of the expansion?

also "first ever"? what does it mean?

i thought previous updates were pretty expansive already

[rigid creek]

It means the expansion isn't the usual free seasonal content we've been getting so far

EHG not saying "it's free, don't worry" outright makes the intention behind "expansion" pretty clear

They might make it free based on the backlash, but it was meant to be paid

[regal finch]

makes sense when it's spelled out like that 🧐

[ocean roost]

are you good at aerobic?

because that's some mental gymnastics if i've ever seen one.

[rigid creek]

Oh, right, I forgot that all companies want negative press

Duh, of course, why announce something that'd make your customers happy when you can leave it ambiguous and get negative sentiment instead

[ocean roost]

you're thinking too much.

[rigid creek]

Well, some people don't think enough I guess

[rancid pulsar]

that's the first message I see lmfao

[ocean roost]

we only know that they're launching expansion on same time as ps5 launch.

and you're already came up with whole story from 1 word.

[rancid pulsar]

less thinking more consuming content, that's why we're here right

[rigid creek]

Is that Last Epoch content in the room with us now?

[ocean roost]

what? updates are pretty jucy every time. what do you mean?

[pearl orbit]

even if its paid, which we dont know, its not a problem at all. as long as the expansion is worth the cost. we're also probably looking a year or more into the future so no real point speculating about it now. we dont even know what s4 is yet lol

[rancid pulsar]

I'm still back on forth on whether the base game is worth the cost let alone mixing in expansions

Also yes all of this is just rumor-mongering in the end, which is fun but not particularly helpful to a good conversation

[ocean roost]

base game absolutely worth it.

it was worth it like a year before launch.

[rancid pulsar]

I've gotten my money's worth out of it for sure, but would someone that buys the game right now? I don't know

I'm too biased to make that call

[pearl orbit]

id totallty recommend LE right now for $35 no hesitation lol

[ocean roost]

yes? game is pretty cheap and there's tons of content. so from me it's definite recommendation to people like diablo-like games

[pearl orbit]

I do hope this expansion isn't implying that s4 and beyond will be smaller seasons like s3 is though. I don't mind alternating smaller and bigger updates, but if s4 is also small I'll be unhappy about that

[rigid creek]

I was looking forward to Season 3 but the beast content was so surface level and hollow tbh

LE is good, but the development progress and content cadence is so slow people fall off and don't come back

[willow sentinel]

And yet you come back everytime there is a #news to throw poop in the soup

[rancid pulsar]

We're still playing the beta, in a sense

like commercially the game released but all of the "seasonal" 1.x stuff has very much been focused on finishing the base game rather than expanding on what's there

[rigid creek]

@willow sentinel is that a problem?

[rancid pulsar]

which is fine, probably... hopefully...

[willow sentinel]

Not really, if you enjoy it

Let me grab my tinfoil hat so we can have a proper conversation

[rancid pulsar]

don't forget your UFO spotting binoculars

[willow sentinel]

I would not have my 5g nanobots vaccines to listen what we are talking about

[pearl orbit]

some days you need the whole faraday cage

surprised nobody talked achievements yet, going to PS5 implies achievements will be avaliable as they are a hard req to getting on sony or microsoft consoles

about time

[rancid pulsar]

I hope there's silly achievements and not just progression ones

[rigid creek]

The plummeting player base is good indication that LE is not going in the right direction :/

[pearl orbit]

"kill orobyss with only one alchemist's ladle equipped"

[rancid pulsar]

AKA average falconer campaign speedrun

[pearl orbit]

below average

average falconer dont even need the spoon

[willow sentinel]

[pearl orbit]

borderlands 1 nostalgia will keep falconer from ever being nerfed its ok guys

[willow sentinel]

Careful, or we will summon George and they will tell you there are at least 5 things more broken than Falcon, so Falcon is fine

[shut shard]

for real?

[pearl orbit]

@ me when we ever get a season that falconer isn't server first 100 in solo play and server first UA

because itll never happen

[pearl orbit]

that's sony requirements, so I assume yes

[south moat]

Yes

[rancid pulsar]

Achievement: wait, what?

• die in Champion's Gate

[pearl orbit]

It forces a deadline if nothing else.

[tidal heart]

Player base plummeted after a few weeks into s2 also though? That’s kind of how arpgs are. They just gotta not have season within a week of Poe

[pearl orbit]

poe2 being a week after kind of forced the decline faster than normal. Two seasons in a row this timing thing happened. I hope that's not going to be the norm.

[willow sentinel]

Wow, look at that
Another Krafton bot

[shut shard]

idk I'm a PC boyar I never owned a filthy console

[rigid creek]

Look at the overall trend, less players come back each season

[rancid pulsar]

I'll play both it's whatever

[green stream]

more like Jonathan needs to not be an arse and let LE flourish on its without it getting cramped by poe2

[rancid pulsar]

We can't be name-calling one individual every time it's about competition between two games...

it was funny at first but the joke's over

[pearl orbit]

Ehhh. ggg said end of august before ehg put their date out. I blame GGG for last season, this one I don't think was the same

[tidal heart]

I have been here defending the game while everyone dooming 😂

[rigid creek]

And it's not like a bit less players not coming back, it's 50% not bothering next time

[tidal heart]

50%?

[rancid pulsar]

btw

why do all of their cool cutscenes feature a sword-wielding mage

[rigid creek]

260k release, 150k Season 2, 80k Season 3

[rancid pulsar]

if you're gonna do that at least buff spellblade :(

[willow sentinel]

How convenient to omit s1

It's funny

[rigid creek]

Yea, that was like 70k iirc

That's not a good thing

[willow sentinel]

So less than release but s2 was more than s1

So you are factually wrong

[pearl orbit]

while true, nothing that can't be fixed. imo, bug fixes, balance, and QA need to be larger priorities, and seasonal content like rift beasts need to have depth and progression to them to keep players going longer, which rift beasts do not have.

[tidal heart]

100k for a new season is a good number

[willow sentinel]

It was even less than s3

[rigid creek]

I know it's pointless to argue with a Discord moderator, but the trend is downwards

[rancid pulsar]

it's stellar considering the mountains LE is fighting up against

[tidal heart]

Sounds like they gotta add paid expansion to keep up then get the wallet out homie

[rancid pulsar]

if anything it says more about ARPG's as a genre still going strong and growing for now and for the future

which is great for everyone involved

[raven patio]

What do we know of the expansion boys? :3

[rigid creek]

It's all about trends, live service needs to grow or stay stable

[rancid pulsar]

absolutely sweet FA my friend

[pearl orbit]

orobyss is in it

[tidal heart]

Poe 1 had around 100k also though right?

[pearl orbit]

there also could be a last epoch in it

[tidal heart]

For June season

[raven patio]

New classes?

[willow sentinel]

You try to paint a story that's factually wrong just to cater to your opinion.
Is the trend downward? Yes. But a trend with 4 markers one of them being the release is a bit short imo
I have a hard time calling that a trend

[pearl orbit]

we know nothing

[rigid creek]

PoE1 is not the main GGG game

[raven patio]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-jon-snow-game-of-thrones-hypothermia-gif-3574049

[tidal heart]

Yes it is

[rancid pulsar]

I'll word it more clearly. we have nothing, zero, zilch, this trailer probably wasn't even for the next season or the one after that

[tidal heart]

Poe 2 is early access

[rigid creek]

Player numbers beg to differ

[rancid pulsar]

RDJ eyeroll dot gif

[raven patio]

I feel like PS rel;eased it quite randomly xD

[rigid creek]

Well, you spotted a trend in the amount of traffic this place got before Season 3, right?

[pearl orbit]

it took poe until 2018 to break 100k concurrent players btw. 5 years.

[tidal heart]

Poe 2 early access, GGG sending both games. Every 4 months we get Poe 1 league and Poe 2 league. They stopped updating this season because they were working on Poe 1

[rigid creek]

Would having a separate launcher mayhaps have something to do with that?

[pearl orbit]

including their launcher.

betrayal was the first time they hit that number

[rigid creek]

Steam charts show 100k+ peak in 2018 and that's just Steam numbers

[tidal heart]

I just don’t get what the game plan is? Like so many people seem to hate this game and want it to fail but why they here?

[rigid creek]

Quite the opposite

People mistake criticism for hating the game

[shut shard]

he is running a business, not a charity - why would he not try to stomp out the competition?

[tidal heart]

You are making every argument to say the game is cooked

[rigid creek]

Pointing out the game is losing players is suddenly hating on the game, make it make sense

[pearl orbit]

why do many gamers complain about call of duty and still buy the new one every year and buy every blackcell season pass and end up spending $300+ annually on a game they cant stand

[rigid creek]

Well, I wouldn't be pointing out the game is losing players if it wasn't losing players

[rancid pulsar]

Because he loves his job, he loves the genre, and isn't some austin powers villain out to "stomp the competition" at all

this argument has always been weird to me

[tidal heart]

Fair then EHG should go full greed and send it on p2w and shit

If they gonna get cod and backlash like we in a riot games discord then full send it Mike give me stash tabs

[toxic prawn]

well if poe was having paid expansions I doubt GGG wwould become what they are today

[willow sentinel]

We got less people in s3, that's undeniable.
But should we call that a trend, or a smaller season?

[pearl orbit]

LE could cost double what it does rn and it's still cheaper. Stash tabs are like $60 on sale, 100+ off sale, and good luck playing without them

[tidal heart]

I just had to buy a ton new stash tabs for the new system they just released for Poe 2

[shut shard]

if it can be fixed, why didn't they bother fixing it over the last 6 years? The priorities clearly are set otherwise, and/or the team's actual capacity is very low

[tidal heart]

D4 makes more money than Poe and they suck every dollar out of their player base and yet they in the middle of season 10 and people still playing why shouldn’t EHG just send it then?

[toxic prawn]

all the tabs I bought were 3-4 years ago. not all are mandatory. just the maps/currency tab

[tidal heart]

It’s working for those companies greed it up

[pearl orbit]

Blizzard would make more money becoming a hedge fund and not make any more video games at this point

But yeah D4 prints money. So does DI funny enough

[tidal heart]

It does

[rancid pulsar]

Is it truly so hard to imagine that EHG wants to make a fun game and isn't 100% profit driven?

Like maybe in a few years when things run dry and Krafton decides to take the wheel as they've done with other games

but now? really?

[pearl orbit]

You can want to make a great game and want to make profits... they aren't mutually exclusive. If anything profits enable them to continue making the game

[rancid pulsar]

mhm

[tidal heart]

Fun game doesn’t keep paying the bills no though? Or else they wouldn’t have had to take the Krafton deal

Now they hiring more people

My $30 from 2 years ago didn’t fund those new jobs

[pearl orbit]

They've been doing that before krafton too.

[rancid pulsar]

Only the sith deal in absolutes or whatever they say in star trek

[pearl orbit]

They either hit 100 ppl or got close to it well before krafton was announced

[rancid pulsar]

There's always compromise

[tidal heart]

They talked about it, saying the acquisition let them hire more people

[pearl orbit]

Well obviously. It's a cash infusion

But their own sales before krafton entered the picture was already in the tens of millions

[rigid creek]

Sales? Game sales?

[pearl orbit]

Yes, not including mtx

[rigid creek]

#news message

They crossed 3M units last month

[pearl orbit]

So thats 105m

rev

box sales alone

not MTX or sup packs

[rigid creek]

Well... 30% Steam cut, taxes

[pearl orbit]

Yes, revenue

Not income

[shut shard]

the jedi have the dubious merit of being the dumbest bunch of mofos in the galaxy so why would you trust anything they said

[rancid pulsar]

because they give me a kick-ass laser sword and tell me I'm special!

[shut shard]

divided by 6+ years of running the studio that ain't much chief

[rigid creek]

100 people on payroll is ~$10M a year just payroll

[shut shard]

maybe 5m if you hire from Poland, Russia and Bangladesh

[rancid pulsar]

I see we've entered into the guessing random numbers part of the conversation

ta-ta

[tidal heart]

All the people I bring to the game no one buys mtx because they aren’t good. I think they starting to get better but I have no idea how they actually making money. While we all just played Poe 2 league so many people just buying loot boxes and supporter packs and mtx

[rigid creek]

How much do you think game developers gets paid? @rancid pulsar

[pearl orbit]

I dont know the exact number obviously. But rule of thumb about 2 to 4% of players review games. So, looking at english reviews, thats 58000. Take 58k, multiply by 25x to account for 4% (it could be easily double this if its 2%), and multiply by $35, you get almost 51 million USD (or higher based on review ratio) from english speaking-audience box sales alone, more or less on regional pricing.

[rigid creek]

Single boots MTX in PoE2 has higher texture resolution than the $60 LE supporter pack combined

[shut shard]

lol that's about as accurate as multiplying the number of people in reddit sub by 5,21546 and dividing it by the number of google searches per month

[rancid pulsar]

I don't think about it at all because it's not my job. I've just seen this exact conversation happen in this very channel 10000 times, and zero times do people actually give me the impression they know what they're talking about

So I just don't want to be involved, really

[pearl orbit]

it's data based on disclosed metrics from thousands of titles. its not random and a bit more accurate than you claim. and unless ehg actually makes their numbers public, and they wont, you wont get a better guess lol

[rigid creek]

EHG was pretty open about their money issues, it's not an argument, they said Krafton sale had to go through or they'd be in trouble

[pearl orbit]

Did they actually say they'd be in trouble?

[tidal heart]

That and I can get decent mog for my toons. Idk why they don’t just make cute outfits. It doesn’t have to be full anime weeb outfits but it doesn’t have to be gaudy void armour. Like gimme some options. The cherry blossom mtx for rogue smokescreen was good though

[rigid creek]

Yeah, the only things I like the supporter packs were the various movement trails/dodge streaks, the armor is kinda meh

[shut shard]

they need to make more reasonable, artistic, and immersive armor, not the choice between anime girls in bikini and car skins for mounts or gaudy shit with equally gaudy particles straight from 2002

[rigid creek]

Add making the character models better to it

They look like frickin' potato

[tidal heart]

Yeah agreed

[shut shard]

they also nerfed the capes in one of the recent patches, omegalul

now they look even worse than before

[tidal heart]

Also doesn’t help that the characters in the game aren’t the biggest selling points. Like I had a bunch of mmo friends come in and my friend was upset her sorc had to be an old man 😂

Maybe they will cook though who knows

[rigid creek]

Young Saruman actor, I forgor name 💀

[glass pendant]

Tbf no big arpg has a character creator other than d4

[tidal heart]

Christopher Lee the goat but having an attractive character is def nice

[tidal heart]

Yeah but did you play Poe 2? Sorc witch are gorgeous and monk, merc good looking

[rigid creek]

For sure, all the characters look like Barbie/Ken dolls :/

[rigid creek]

PoE2 graphics ruined LE for me, my eyes lmao

[tidal heart]

I think LE has nice charm to it

[glass pendant]

Part of the issue is that the character models are untouched relics of the past (or largely untouched? Who knows). They did say they want character customization eventually

[rigid creek]

How they pump so much high quality content is beyond me

[glass pendant]

I agree though, the character and non mtx gear models are almost in their entirety atrocious

I like the sentinel armor with the echo implicits

But that's it I think

[rigid creek]

Buying $30 skin shader off Unity store would fix the whole plastic doll looking skin

[tidal heart]

Yeah like I love Poe 1 shadow I think he is the coolest thing ever and I will gladly buy mtx for him. Regardless of anything else I always want cool stuff for shadow. I have a lot of friends like that in my gaming community. We just a small portion of the gamers but I know for a fact all of them would be swiping for this game a lot more with better cosmetics and character models

[lusty glade]

Tbh back when Poe was relased it looked like shit too, but it improved over time. Poe2 is whole different story in graphics

[rigid creek]

Maybe some SSS in the character picker to soften the lighting up

[glass pendant]

I'm a fan of scion personally;P

[tidal heart]

Haha pretty sure she staying in Poe 1 though

[rigid creek]

Yeah, PoE looked way worse than D3 back in the day, but that's almost 15 years ago

[glass pendant]

best girl had to die for goth girl to be upon us 💔

[rigid creek]

Having the default Barbie doll skin shader in 2025 is kinda disappointing

[tidal heart]

Goth witch is legit mommy and her voice lines are so damn funny

Her and Merc hard carry Poe 2 voice lines

[rigid creek]

Is Scion the one in the blue Vault Tec suit?

[lusty glade]

One thing is interesting, Grim Dawn looks weirdly good even its old af. Like there is something in that game that makes it graphicaly enjoyable even nowdays.

[glass pendant]

I'd pay for an updated rogue model in LE

Looks like she's built out of play doh

[tidal heart]

They just gotta update rogue and lich and make sorc female. Void knight is cool and primalist is fine obvi this discord would lose their minds but I think it would work

[pearl orbit]

I disagree, I think it looks and plays very dated. The game is still fun which makes it okay to go back and play sometimes, but it def doesn't look "good" in my eyes

[rigid creek]

Brother, don't pick Paladin, it's borderline offensive

[glass pendant]

Yeah primalist can remain completely untouched

They nailed it

[tidal heart]

Yup

Acolyte is close her voice lines are decent but her character model is terrible

Maybe they will update the heroes eventually

[glass pendant]

Idk what about her makes her look disproportionate

The face looks off, like inhuman

Weird proportions

[tidal heart]

She looks like that Seinfeld gag where Jeri dated that girl who looked bad in the light or something

[glass pendant]

It's not "ugly" or not that's the issue I don't care about that

She looks like an ai's attempt at making a human

[tidal heart]

She just looks off

[glass pendant]

I don't know

[tidal heart]

Yeah

Regardless it’s enough that I actually was getting feedback from my gaming community and a lot of these people are swipers in games. They all just spent a bunch of money on Poe 2 and stuff yet they barley spent any money on LE

That’s a problem

The sloth backpack was good though

[rigid creek]

I'm not a swiper, but I accidentally opened PoE2 MTX shop and was like "DAAAAAAAAMN"

That stuff looks hella gucci

[glass pendant]

I'd doesn't help that the environment now looks so gorgeous that the character models stick out like a sore thumb

Imo they need serious work

[tidal heart]

I spent so much money like legit so much money on Poe 2 this league because there was so much good stuff

[pearl orbit]

I'm just hoping LE gets DLSS + Frame Gen now that it's on Unity 6 and can support that without too much effort

then we upscale all the textures

[lusty glade]

That would be fantastic tbh

But imagine a bugless LE

at least for skills

wet dream

[tidal heart]

And it’s not like it’s gonna get easier. Poe 1 league in October with all new supporter packs, another Poe 2 league in December with all new packs

Like they smart they made a ton of new customers this league who will buy, I want that for LE

[pearl orbit]

Bug fixing and QA should be #1 priority. balance #2. Content after that. LE has a problem where skills say they do one thing and do something else. happens far too often

[lusty glade]

Yep

[glass pendant]

that's why I think the expansion is important. all the waa waa bad EHG making me pay more money is pure tunnel vision

[lusty glade]

or they dont do something at all, like not procing a node or conversion

[rigid creek]

Bruh, the PoE2 pivot in 0.3 was insane, I didn't like 0.1 and 0.2 was atrocious, only checked 0.3 because of async trading

[tidal heart]

Class balance and end game gotta be prio for sure. So many people looked at maxroll and saw void knight erasing strike, falconer and paladin s tier and were checked out

[pearl orbit]

I heard from like 8 different people the prison map was the worst thing GGG ever made.

With the water.

And layout

[rigid creek]

0.3 - currency drops, gear drops, trade is seamless, can scam easy divines by stuffing your bulk maps with landimines

[tidal heart]

Oh I liked the prison map

[rigid creek]

I can see where they're coming from, but all I thought was "Daaaaaaaaaamn, check out these sick water effects"

[pearl orbit]

It's all fun and games until you are dealing with that in tier 16 maps

[tidal heart]

Yeah it looked cool and it’s not like Poe 1 where you can just spam the same map

[rigid creek]

Then the wave spills through the windows and you're like "hotdamn, where da windows go?"

[tidal heart]

I def wouldn’t spam prison

[rigid creek]

Mapping is so butthole though

[tidal heart]

It is .4 update in Dec

Remove towers

Please

[rigid creek]

Let me choose a map to do the content on 😡

I'm sick of getting Breach in a place that branches into deadends and I can't pop off

[tidal heart]

Also EHG not having a dinosaur pinnacle boss is criminal

[rigid creek]

Or Ritual in tiny corridors

[pearl orbit]

Sorry, that does not comply with The Vision. Towers will remain but to make them better, we will now be increasing the height of towers, so you can clear multiple floors and get some vertical feelings

[tidal heart]

How are you having a dinosaur season and not having a new pinnacle boss with a dinosaur theme

[rigid creek]

Towers are just sextants, why do I even need to do the map, let me stuff it

[tidal heart]

Like we can’t just do empowered and kill Abby. Uber Abby most players won’t kill there has to be more chance

[rigid creek]

😡

[main frigate]

⬆️
I don't know why many players think it's quite cool

[pearl orbit]

I am so psised there isn't a T-Rex pinnacle boss. Not UA hard, but like harder than aberroth. Such a wasted opportunity. There is a total of ZERO arpgs that let you fight a T-Rex boss. Not a single one. How badass would that be.

[rigid creek]

The whole Beast mechanics was such a letdown

[pearl orbit]

Dinosaur season and no dino boss.

SMH.

rift beast does not count

[tidal heart]

Yeah like I kept waiting for the beast mechsnci to eventually take me to a primordial layer with a quest to unlock a boss

[rigid creek]

See the portal, kill the beast, wonder how the variations will look, there's none, it's all the same 😭

[tidal heart]

Like they did with abyss

[pearl orbit]

MHMMMMMMM

My expectations were exactly with you

[spice cobalt]

RS3 has 4 T-Rex bosses, guess I'm an RS3 player now

[glass pendant]

ark 💯💯

[pearl orbit]

Today I learned RS3 has one human player on the game

[tidal heart]

We need more chase. Like Abby and uber Abby are awesome for the game but we need kind of next level. We can’t juice really. I wish there was a way to like empower the monos more with the primordial stuff for better drops idk

Not a gamer designer

[rigid creek]

The need to go to cemetery to place echoes has to go, let me customize it on the fly as I need it

[pearl orbit]

prim items are way too easy to get, hard to make them "chase" even if they are giga endgame power items. And the method of acquiring them isn't fun. Vendor drops don't give that dopamine spike

[tidal heart]

But def excited to see what they cook up. Hoping it will be like Poe , Poe 2, TLI, last epoch and then whatever game had expac every few months. League starts are the best when everyone is hyped and playing

[pearl orbit]

The +2 all skills amulet available at level 15 was an interesting choice too...

nihilis at home

[glass pendant]

not even at home

bis for a lot of builds

[tidal heart]

Yeah the issue was basically once you did the league mechanic there was nothing more to it

[rigid creek]

It'd be great if it didn't spawn the beast though, I found that kinda annoying

[tidal heart]

Like it didn’t really change how you played later

[pearl orbit]

It's like, lets invalidate an entire gearslot for the whole season

at a low lvl

[rigid creek]

Yeah, that too

No point in using anything else than the beast amulet

[tidal heart]

It should have really went nuts with crafting

[pearl orbit]

I love LE but there's some serious questionable decisions with this season

[tidal heart]

Where would make really unique stuff

But you have to grind

Like really grind for the mats

I can play LE for a few days and be done it needs to keep people invested longer

[pearl orbit]

Evo End should upgrade into a primordial. Missed opportunity there imo. Could have made the beast a permanent pet. The +2 skill level should not exist on a lvl 15 item either.

+15% all res is questionable too

The idea of the item is cool but why is there so much powercreep

[tidal heart]

I really like the monolith system also there is just no reason to really go nuts in it once you do it. While I will run maps forever

[rigid creek]

Having 29 resistance types is questionable too 😭

[pearl orbit]

wdym? theres 7

[rigid creek]

I hate balacing the 35 resistances

I'm exagerrating

It's still too much to have 7

[pearl orbit]

and it's functionally like 5, since ele res is what you want to use

[rancid pulsar]

imagine if evolution's end existed without nihilis in the game, you get to level 50 or so, drop one good rolled amulet and that's what you wear for your entire career

frustratingly strong

[glass pendant]

res is largely irrelevant with this powercreep

[pearl orbit]

my thoughts too

res is the least of your worries with buildcrafting

[rigid creek]

Yeah, it's just a chore to keep it capped

[glass pendant]

I think evo is too weak for a primordial because simply nobody would use it

Nihi and go for something else

[willow sentinel]

RR + Nihilis/Evo + all res blessing and you are almost res capped

[pearl orbit]

Thats why nerfing the item a lot, but allowing a primoridal version of it to exist with all the stats, maybe even a buff, would be ideal. imo

[glass pendant]

couple of stouts, done

[main frigate]

Even no useful loots? 👀

[glass pendant]

I can see a buff, but it would have to be in line with current primordials, which make +3-4s common.

[tidal heart]

Also….EHG please please please give me an mtx I will pay whatever price you want so I don’t have to use the reaper form look. I just want to run around with a scythe being a badass, I don’t want to look like the full on cartoon grim reaper.

[glass pendant]

reaper skin unironically ate imo

But that's just me

[pearl orbit]

All the primordials aren't even in line with all the primordials. On one hand you got stuff like Thicket and Carrion, and on the other hand you got Permanence of Primal Knowledge

[tidal heart]

Oh I hate it, I’m legit trying to cook a no reaper form flay build

[rancid pulsar]

justice for wildfire embers smh

[glass pendant]

yeah I'm just saying, rather not add another unused item to the pile

[tidal heart]

Whoops wrong response

[main frigate]

It's not an mtx issue in my opinion. It's character design issue

[glass pendant]

It's both

Plenty of mtx are from temu

[tidal heart]

Like imagine we had Poe 2 witch as acolyte with scythe running around using flay acting like Kayn from league

I would be so happy 😭

[rigid creek]

We got MTX at home

[glass pendant]

I'm not saying I'm against "human" reaper form but

This season's reaper skin slapped

But yeah still my opinion

[tidal heart]

It’s fine for what it is but I don’t always want to have to be the grim reaper

But I get why people like it

But there is so much power in reaper form

So feels bad not using it

Just have like a vanishing dye that lets me take the effect off it’s kind of a win win for them

[glass pendant]

personally I just wish warlock was stronger because I have a soft spot for WoW warlock

[olive horizon]

Yeah wayy too stressful, fine on my own but need a bit more relaxed play. Think the wife could like this one.

[tidal heart]

My fav build I ever played in this game is torment lock

[glass pendant]

I played profane veil as well, can't say I'm overjoyed by channeling skills but it was alright

[main frigate]

I guess you're a fan of chaos caster lich in Poe 2 then

[glass pendant]

Still yet to see an S tier warlock build

[main frigate]

Or you will.

[glass pendant]

Which is funny because s2 stygian is what warlock should've been

[tidal heart]

Chaos melee I int every single Poe build for. When I can’t play chaos melee I play chaos dot so yeah 😂

Poe 1 occultist using profane bloom ascendancy is my fav sound that pop when you kill mobs is legit peak gaming for me

[main frigate]

I'm into lich in Poe 2 so much. Warlock in le is quite cool too, but defense is a big issue

[tidal heart]

edc is gorgeous when the screen melts essence drain looks great and the contagion spread is amazing

They did a great job with the ability for lich stuff

Warlock is gorgeous also fissure looks great

[main frigate]

Yes, lich is amazed me so much in 0.3.

[tidal heart]

I did a hollow palm chaos conversion lich scaling mana for unholy might. Obvi it was not amazing but it could do t16s and was fun

I made a lot of builds in Poe 2 though

[south moat]

This is very much #📚┃off-topic

[tidal heart]

True

Before everyone gets back to dooming let them cook. Idk I like LE think the game will be ok and I want it to be part of the arpg circuit

[main frigate]

I just learnt how to play Poe 2 in 0.3 so I'm far away from the duration of cooking the own build yet.

Ok, move back to le

[glass pendant]

griefing over the expansion for hours was way more off topic, I'll take this anyday

[rigid creek]

I don't think the expansion is gonna be paid, but the problem is that they thought about it being paid in the first place

[tidal heart]

I kind of want it to be just for the memes.

[glass pendant]

The problem is that it spiraled into a corporate related debate which is out of the scope of the game. And while yes it's ok to worry about all that, I'll argue game mechanics are way more relevant to the game even if they're not of this game, compared to who bought whom, for how much, and who isn't doing their job