feedback-discussion

[chilly nova]

I'm so confused where they're coming up with these changes. And I'm so tired of seeing people say things like "just wait and try it out."

We've taken that approach for years now. I wait, try it out, don't like it, give feedback, and things never get fixed appropriately.

I don't have enough faith in your product decision making abilities anymore to just wait and find out.

All this has me bummed out, because it all might end up being bad enough that I finally quit Hunt for good.

Will you guys actually commit to reversing your decisions quickly if it sucks?

Cause you almost never have in the past, so your approach here is not very encouraging.

[frozen crater]

I think the an important yet missing part of this piece of feedback is that 'things never get fixed appropriately for YOU"

I see a lot of your aggressive feedback posts that I do not think represent the community at all, which may be a facet of self awareness that you lack entirely

[chilly nova]

This is rich coming from you. I was going to try and respond with a thought out response, but looking at your post history, it's not worth it. So many condescending responses, believing that only your opinion is right and seeming like you're just here to argue with people. Very hypocritical for you to have said this to me.

[frozen crater]

I have genuine debates regarding controversial mechanics, but I am fully aware that my opinions arent shared by the rest of the community

if you believe that to be condescending, then I must be really mean

[chilly nova]

I already blocked you. Don't waste your time.

[frozen crater]

https://tenor.com/view/annoying-orange-blocked-scared-frightened-gif-20934646

[chilly nova]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/s/JGFhkEbbVN

[flat sandal]

four games literally zero action at all. that should just not be a thing if there is zero point for anything outside of pvp

[chilly nova]

Wait, you've seen Hunt senior devs say that?

[analog sigil]

not hunt senior devs

a couple friends of mine

[unborn dagger]

That's why I keep suggesting to have a death timer for solos dx

[stuck blaze]

They are hunt developers?

[hot vigil]

Me too, but here we are :p

[analog sigil]

no?

[onyx vigil]

Horrible changes in this announcement. Necro, burn and health chunks are what makes Hunt unique from other shooters. Some of the most epic and memoriable fights are based around rez mechanics. I wish there was an opt out. Combine that with all the fire to burn hunters that was introduced and increased and you might as well just toss the res mechanic and just play any other BR.

[rotund obsidian]

an opt out of what? balance changes? huh

[onyx vigil]

Necro one time use, hunters burn twice as fast. Choke timers halved.

[rotund obsidian]

I like the choke timers halved and necro change but i'll admit, the faster burning is definitely questionable. I just don't see how you could opt out of a balance change like that lmfao, "oh yeah we nerfed necro but he opted out so he can use it infinitely lol"

[onyx vigil]

Opting out was a sarcastic comment. I don't know who they asked that said they wanted these changes but I imagine it was one one end of the bell curve and not the majority of players.

[hot vigil]

If the reverted the amount of burn options, I think it would be really good honestly.
Now you only need 1 burnable per solo (either they burnout or get shot one more time), it is less likely to miss something to burn with if you catch a solo.

[onyx vigil]

Yea. What is it like 5 flares for 10 hunt bucks. Way to easy to burn with everything.

[rotund obsidian]

Seems like devs WANT everyone to just be burned constantly, though. At that point why not just make bodies naturally decay or something. I don't understand making flaregun/fusees THIS strong

fuckin. 12.5 seconds to stop a teammate from losing a bar. ugh

I hate the spam burn meta, especially when it doesnt even limit your own movement like firebombs can.

[onyx vigil]

If you're not on top of your teammate you better sprint to choke or don't even bother. The res mechanics are truly what makes Hunt fights unique. We have some terrible players in our group but res'ing them back into the fight keeps them engaged. If they are down for the count on the first shot + flare... say goodbye to a lot of the lower end players that get one shot and are out

Also, that does not encourage rushing a boss room to break a stalemate. You go down inside to a shotgun and get burn camped without time for your teammates to make a full rotation.

[tiny pivot]

After a while I’ve sat and I think the necro change is the best of both worlds imo

My personal perspective of “if you get up once and die again it’s basically already over, necro isn’t very useful” and the majority community (SEEMINGLY) “as long as I have revived I will wait until the moment I burn out”

Both the players fighting necro and the solo have a chance, having full free resto is nice and merges the problem of resilience necro by only allowing you to revive once or you’re fucked. Combined with faster burning you either HAVE to surprise and combat rez (which is, in some’s eyes the ideal way to use necro) or counter play/hope you don’t get burned and use that one revive way later to avoid fighting entirely

[hot vigil]

Question is tho, why do solo just get a free full restore?

Not even resilience, like all bars back

[onyx vigil]

Personally I think the change is hot garbage and makes the game less unique

[rotund obsidian]

I'm glad to see necro spam gone, that shit was more annoying than solo necro by a mile

[onyx vigil]

Yea, the solo getting full HP on use is dumb. You cannot one shot them when they get up... that is worse

[rotund obsidian]

I'm conflicted on the full hp thing, like i get the whole 'second chance' thing and i like the fact that the 125 breakpoint is less important in that case, but also i think reviving and tanking a bodyshot while you stand up is dumb

[hot vigil]

Yeah wouldn't mind it too much if it was 125 hp.
Like if you've been downed once.

[radiant river]

or just make it so you're at 150 max hp but only 100 actual hp

[rotund obsidian]

yeah so basically nerf resilience back down lol

[onyx vigil]

It would be nice if they asked their community instead of just assuming that this major overhaul is what we wanted... There are already a ton of ways to negate the res mechanic without all of this. It required you to make choices. Now you don't have to make choices and you get largely ignore it.

[chilly nova]

I'm a pretty aggressive player as it is, and burning is still annoying to me, even when I'm going to fight back instantly. People don't really use burning to break stalemates. People just burn instantly to further their advantage and get an easier second kill. It basically allows them to snowball the other team member.

Stalemates happen at the lair before anyone has died.

[radiant river]

people never actually know what they want

[chilly nova]

We already have the flare pistol spam. It's gonna be even worse. People burn cause they don't want a real gunfight. They just want an easy kill.

[radiant river]

yeah I don't like how hard they are leaning in the direction of burning

[onyx vigil]

I have more hours in Hunt than anything else on Steam right now. I know I don't want this

[chilly nova]

Burning used to be about breaking stalemates and stopping people from running into the bushes for 10 minutes. That's not at all how it's used anymore

[radiant river]

yeah it really encourages a meta where you're just right next to your team the whole time and any plays that involve splitting up are punished very harshly

[chilly nova]

Probably will honestly be more of a camp fest because of it

[onyx vigil]

The devs are trying to make a dozen changes at once. When they get done we won't even recognize the game as Hunt. Slow changes are better than many rapid changes.

[chilly nova]

So they'll end up just worsening the problem they were trying to solve

[radiant river]

yeah since the first death can mean way more now (burning is stronger and necro is less common) it may result in people playing even safer

[onyx vigil]

I agree. If there is no point in trying to stop a teammate from burning then it goes full camp mode

[radiant river]

choke beetle is honestly starting to seem kind of necessary if you don't want to hug your teammates the whole time

[rotund obsidian]

yeah ive adopted the choke beetle already, it sucks that it's at bloodline 46 though. quite a while where i cant use it at the start of a prestige

and now with burning even faster, almost no chance i'll have time to get to a relatively safe spot, throw it, and fly to the body before they burn off a bar

[radiant river]

burning a body also allows the team that is burning the body to completely camp and there is now a timer on the other team forcing them to push into them.

leads to way less interesting fights

I mostly stopped playing after the last event ended because the lack of ways to regen your bars just made the burn meta very stale

[onyx vigil]

Sounds like the new meta is long range rifle camping. That way you don't get burned instantly.

[chilly nova]

It feels like rather than promoting fun gunfights, they're trying to promote sneaky, campy kills, traps, and shotguns

[onyx vigil]

@devs I encourage you to put a poll on here asking if people want this change...

[chilly nova]

So, are these changes because of people that knew the surveys were happening? I'm trying to figure out where they came up with all this

It feels like a mix of solutions to problems that don't exist, and some solutions to problems that do exist but the solution was made by people that don't play the game much

I'm also curious if they'll actually ever tweak it if people don't like it. I was totally right about the flare pistol having worsened the quality of gunfights and made people burn camp more, but it seems like they're sticking to that decision forever

[onyx vigil]

I imagine this is 5/6 star complaints.

[chilly nova]

Idk about that. I'm a consistent 5 star and have none of these complaints

[onyx vigil]

There are definitly differnt types of 5 star. Those that will camp a body for 25 minutes and those that will take it as an opportunity to overwhelme the other team

[chilly nova]

Yeah, not trying to say I speak for all 5 stars. I guess I was more trying to say it feels more like feedback from a certain type/style of player rather than a certain MMR level

[onyx vigil]

You're probably correct there. Since a lot of us bounce from 5 to 3 star and back I really should focus on the players themselves.

[chilly nova]

And especially in that range, we all know MMR means virtually nothing

[onyx vigil]

MMR is what they should focus on lol...

Not wasting time on changes we are not asking for

[chilly nova]

I've gotten dumped on by 3 stars plenty before that clearly could keep up in 6 star if they wanted

[chilly nova]

And this is why I wonder about where they're getting these drastic ideas. I sorta wonder if there's a leadership push for them to make big changes cause money is tight or something. Complete speculation of course

[onyx vigil]

The last survey they did there was a lot of feedback about hunters getting their health bars back and getting back into the fight and how there was too much of that. But that was because of all the ways they offered getting your health chunks back in the events... Hope that did not use that as the basis for their decision. The events were much different.

[chilly nova]

It feels like burning buff is wanted by people that aren't confident in PVP, so they need a crutch to win a fight

[worthy verge]

Hrmm, am I wrong in thinking the planned gunplay changes favor snipers too much? Sniping is niche in hunt, and I'd be saddened if most games start getting multiple snipers every time.

[tiny pivot]

Probably compensation because if they just made it one dry revive with the other nerf people would probably freak out
Really I think it’s a fine balancing stroke, solos get a full, sooner cooldown extra life at the cost of fire burning faster and only having one revive. Incentivizes actually using your res in combat to surprise people, I like it

[lean estuary]

Sneaking and traps are fun though…campers are obviously annoying, but I miss the days where people took a little more time to strategize instead of sprinting everywhere

A lot of the time It’s hard to get your random partners to pay attention and be patient

[chilly nova]

We must be playing a different game. People are so timid to move nowadays.

Gunfights used to be exciting and about smart rotations, movement, and positioning. There used to be Winfields and Sparks all over the place.

People just sit around and wait for someone else to move now.

Crouch walking isn't fun

[lean estuary]

I like how it’s a creative game, it doesn’t just boil down to a formula about proper rotation technique. Confusing your enemy, tricking and trapping are all legitimate parts of fun fights

[chilly nova]

The high intensity gunfights you get every once in a while are the only reason I have kept playing for this long

[lean estuary]

Cool

[arctic flame]

@signal silo did you watch the video they nerf the necro solo xD you just get necro one time now

[wheat vapor]

I don't think it's a straight nerf

It'a rework imo

Solos usually only get to revive once per match.

Idk, as a solo player I like this change

Plus, team necro nerf is a blessing.

[wheat vapor]

Games will be much more dynamic and burning won't take forever.

[fallow jacinth]

Poll about bullet drop #latest-update-discussion message

[tiny pivot]

I’m confused, did I miss something, is bullet drop being added

Because if so, Crytek is doing well, but that’s gotta be something they make clearer, put it in a title or a twitter post jfc

[rotund obsidian]

It was in the latest dev video

[tiny pivot]

Must’ve been at the very end in a super small mention that’s crazy… I watched like the first 3 mins before work that is absolutely crazy to just drop in a random post

Sure am not excited about that

[rotund obsidian]

yeah it's like the last minute of the video

[hot vigil]

I mean it is 1/5th of the whole video lol

[thin remnant]

#feedback message you've gotta be kidding.. they're making compact drop slower than long? Do the Devs even know how guns work lol

[crystal plume]

It's called ✨balance✨

We're not playing a milsim

If they made long ammo have the least amount of drop then we would be just enforcing long ammo being the best at everything, which it currently is

[zinc hinge]

unpopular opinion, remove scopes.

[empty oasis]

Remove guns, keep scopes

[lean estuary]

Remove players, keep guns

[thin remnant]

just make everything drop the same ig

itd be more realistic and less immersion breaking

[lean estuary]

@half stag thanks for keeping up the good fight for long weapon names

Fucking bonkers that they want to change the Winnie to “Ranger”

[thin remnant]

the majority of players DON'T want bullet drop... why crytek

[empty oasis]

keep players, remove map

[lean estuary]

Now we’re talking

[crystal plume]

No offense but I genuinely cannot imagine that reasonably breaking anyone's immersion to a degree that it would be a problem 😄

[thin remnant]

im just quirky ✨

[empty oasis]

Shadowleap not realistic form of teleport. games unplayable for me now

[thin remnant]

this is joke yes

[lean estuary]

Ahh don’t get excited, it’s not unplayable. Just stupid

[empty oasis]

ye

[thin remnant]

ok thx

[lean estuary]

It would be kind of interesting if there was a constant drop rate for all ammo, but a fall off in velocity over distance too, so different ammos had different curves. Regardless, I’m looking forward to seeing how it feels

[queen zinc]

I am glad to see Necro getting a heft nerf

I do think Necro should be a higher cost trait
Its basically an automatic, always get, like Doctor
And I would argue necromancer is able to easily have just as, if not stronger, influence on a fight.

[thin remnant]

doctor is absolutely not an automatic imo

it costs 9 points

thats a lot of points

[queen zinc]

Which you easily have after any successful hunt

And if you dont have a successful hunt, your hunter is dead and you start fresh

[thin remnant]

so then its not an automatic.. its a second game trait.

[queen zinc]

Its automatic in the context of "as soon as you can"

[thin remnant]

i dont always get it

[queen zinc]

Rookie mistake

[thin remnant]

i usually get it on my third but sometimes second

i run regen shot and a lot of times vigor

[queen zinc]

Regen is handy, sure

But you cant always predict a fight, or when you will need immediate heals

[thin remnant]

it lasts so long man

[queen zinc]

Or what happens all too often- activate regen, fight draws out, regen runs out

[thin remnant]

just pop it after or before fighting the boss and itll probably last your fights

or just pop it when a fight strats

starts

[thin remnant]

i dont usually let fights draw out that long

doctor is great sure

but if i have regen

i can just wait to get up to half hp then pop a medkit

which doesnt take that much longer

but yes doctor is great

frontiersman is more important imo >:)

[wicked dust]

Doctor is probably the most required trait in the game. Between that or necro pre nerf

[thin remnant]

kiteskin

[unborn dagger]

Nah physician imo more important over doctor.

Gets you back in the fight quicker

[wicked dust]

✨no✨

[unborn dagger]

Yes

[wicked dust]

I don’t have the energy to debate this

Gg

[glass shuttle]

with centered crosshair please also unlock weapon sway from the camera PLEASE
it will screw over these crosshair generator plebs

[queen zinc]

Depends your playstyle

I play solo mostly, so drawing out fights is necessary to defeat larger teams

But anyone who doesnt just "rush" is gonna run into that counter balance for regen

[thin remnant]

yeah i agree with this

depends on your playstyle

which means its not a must pick

its a must pick for some

which is what a trait should be imo 😄

[queen zinc]

At high elo, your fights will typically draw out

[thin remnant]

Although I personally don't rush constantly, just if I can't push and the enemy refuses to, I'm not gonna sit around and wait for one of us to get a lucky headshot

[queen zinc]

One team wont give the other a big enough window to just quickly wipe a team

[thin remnant]

i mean yeah but you gotta consider

regen shot lasts a damn long while

especially if you only pop it before combat initiates

i also rather spend my points on frontiersman than doctor so i have more heals in a fight in that way

imo those traits are all p balanced

[queen zinc]

Dcotor gives you effectively "6" heals

[thin remnant]

only if you dont regen and get down to one hp every time you get shot

[queen zinc]

When dealing with high damage long ammo encounters, you are gonna need the strong heals

[thin remnant]

yeah long ammo is owie lol

but when i use regen by the time ive gotten back in cover, gotten my medkit out and finished the heal im usually at enough hp that the medkit gets me back to full. and if not, by the time im back out of cover and shooting the regen shot does the rest of the healing for me

if not with a bit of waiting

im not disagreeing doctor is an s tier trait, for clarification

[rotund obsidian]

weak vits are kinda good now paired with regen

[thin remnant]

making weaks inject faster was good

but please for the love of god revert krag damage buff

[queen zinc]

Hy?

Why

[chilly nova]

Necro? Not at all.

[queen zinc]

Necro is absolutely top tier for any team game

Reviving teammates without having to expose yourself is ABSURDLY valuable

And I honestly find it bad for gameplay, as it just lends too much forgiveness

[chilly nova]

I'd say probably 95+% of the time, necroing ends with me getting another kill out of it, cause they just revive spam their friend instead of fighting me.

[rotund obsidian]

honestly i think resilience was better than necro, but ofc paired together they were monstrous

resilience still a top pick tbh

[chilly nova]

I honestly get more value out of ghoul than necro

And conduit for my mental health so I don't have to constantly be annoyed by stamina

[queen zinc]

Maybe at low elo

But at higher elo, it can easily provide a free revive if you have good fight timing and awareness

A good player doesnt "spam" it

[chilly nova]

I wouldn't really consider 5 to be low

[queen zinc]

He keeps it in his back pocket, waiting for the right moment

5 is a weird place

Because low 5 and high 5 are totally different beasts

[chilly nova]

Low 5 isn't really 5. That's 4

[queen zinc]

Arguably it should be

But yeah

[thin remnant]

Because it took away its personality and now it's way too strong, it also moved the meta in the wrong direction with another long ammo buff

Krag was actually a balanced gun before, I used it all the time

[chilly nova]

6 stars revive their partners into deaths all the time lol

[queen zinc]

Ive never seen that

[rotund obsidian]

Krag ammo buff was cool but the damage buff was not good

[queen zinc]

Except intentionally baiting a shot to help locate a shooter

[thin remnant]

yeah this

[chilly nova]

Necro is just another way to promote camping

They say they do stuff to fight it, but half the game design promotes it

[rotund obsidian]

I hate the state of dead bodies right now. They either get necro'd in like <15 seconds or they get burned and hard camped, depending on where they go down

[thin remnant]

marksmans are bad for the game imo

i would like them removed but people would cry, so i dont think they should

[chilly nova]

I don't really run into snipers that frequently. And tbh, sparks sniper is super fun to play at medium in-compound distances

I run into shotgun players doing nothing but crouching around a corner waiting for you to run into their shell more often

[rotund obsidian]

guys i solved the bullet drop dilemma 🤯 heres my mockup: fill in the bottom half of scopes so that they cant see below the aim point, just like ironsights. that way everyone has to flick up or guess where people are when they're hidden below the sight

[thin remnant]

what star are you lol

not trying to star shame

but it is relevant to the discussion

[chilly nova]

Like I said, 5

[thin remnant]

tf

[thin remnant]

EPIC

[chilly nova]

I constantly feel like I'm the only aggressive player in the lobby

I see people with 4k+ hours extracting rather than taking fights all the time too

But honestly, it seems like it's just the type of camping that changes through the ranks

[tribal wyvern]

Bullet drop might actually be what we need. Aslong as the distance is shorter than weapons current headshot lenght.

Like winfield is 150m,so aslong as the start of the drop would be maybe 100m.
Or Mosin sniper at like 150+ or something.

But prepare for the hackusations with the new "lethal at any range."
Your report list will be 10x as high. That frightens me a bit ngl, how would you ever know now if someone cheats? Atleast now if ppl headshots me 5x with a nagant silencer at 200m, I will know.

But after this update, it can be a legit lucky kill.

[rotund obsidian]

see like this would be a bit more reasonable. instead we get pax starting to drop at 10 meters.

[unborn sandal]

I really hope they reconsider

[rotund obsidian]

I think it's insurgency where it's hitscan up to 100m, then after that it's a projectile with drop? I'm not sure exactly how that works but i'll say it feels good

[thin remnant]

what taco said, bullet drop is fine but make the sighted range reasonable.

[tribal wyvern]

What? really?

Or was it sarcasm 😄

About the pax

[unborn sandal]

Sighted range (when dropoff starts) is 10 meters in one of the dev videos

[tribal wyvern]

Man i saw good changes, i write to my mate like yo we gotta hit up hunt in august.
I play it more, i get to the drop off and im thinking about my idea.

And then they do this. I don't wanna play CoD man.

[unborn sandal]

It’s worse than cod. They have holos in cod. Everything in hunt is iron so you won’t even be able to see the people you’re shooting at

[tribal wyvern]

Dropoffs to hinder absurd headshots at 1km. (overexaggeration but you get my point).
Thats fine.

But hindering medium combat or long range is baaad

[tribal wyvern]

Good point aswell

[unreal mesa]

Stupid thing, the rumor of pushing out veterans could be real, but could they be trying to switch to a more melee focused combat or just try to negate sniping all together?

[chilly vault]

No

[tribal wyvern]

This is not pushing out veterans, this is pushing out everyone lol

I liked no dropoff but with no unlimited HS range. I don't need the infamous winnie/machete meta.

[unborn sandal]

This game has been praised for its combat by the community how it’s like no other game. So the devs decide to turn it into every other fps game

[tribal wyvern]

Preeetty much. It's already, even with 3k hours, tough to headshot moving targets on ranged. Imagine now with bullet drop.

You will need to relearn the entire gunplay.
So especially F you to the newer ppl who finally got a hang off it.

If the bulletdrop change is not revisited, I will play in August with heavy scepticism.

[rotund obsidian]

It was just listed as 'drop range' in the video since sighted range is a different thing that was pretty much pulled out of a dev's ass and means nothing

sighted range was just a dev eyeballing the drop on crossbows/bows and saying "yeah id say thats about where it matters"

[empty oasis]

@signal silo @thin remnant @noble lily @unborn sandal
Your post has been removed as it was feedback. Please repost it in the #feedback channel

[unborn sandal]

It’s not feedback

I made a separate feedback post

The one I put in there is not feedback

[vital drum]

Disapproval of an addition is not an idea, it's feedback.

[unborn sandal]

Then why is this fine

#game-ideas message

[vital drum]

It isn't either tbh

[rotund obsidian]

watched that one get removed in real time 😭

[vital drum]

@stuck blaze Your post has been removed, as it belongs in #feedback

[unborn sandal]

I really don’t understand why they have to go in feedback

If we put them in suggestions then we get a gauge of what other people think about it with the voting system

if they go in feedback no one ever sees it

[vital drum]

Community managers will see it and that's what matters. Voting is valuable for ideas, because they tend to be more unique. Feedback is easier to judge with volume. Actual polls will be done after release.

[thin remnant]

totally havent asked this question before, which one

[thin remnant]

Also, are these bot generated or just you? And do you have specific requests on how to word this? Because if it's just you and you decide how to do it, it'd be nice if you did something like "Your post [Post title here] has been removed as it was feedback"

to give people a better idea on what post it was and how to not do it again and what idea it was so you can properly remember it and repost it in feedback

[unborn sandal]

If it had anything to do with an update it’s gonna get removed apparently

You have to put it in feedback which no one looks at

[thin remnant]

im fine with putting my feedback in feedback

just sometimes clearly i cant tell what should go where

but i dont see anything that got removed from me..

maybe i was accidentally pinged lol

[vital drum]

#game-ideas is generally for additions you'd like to see to the game. #feedback is for expressing your thoughts on something that's already or coming to the game.

[vital drum]

I'll DM you the text of your post, give me a second

[thin remnant]

I've been told before that it was more "This is bad, fix it" vs "This is bad, fix it by changing x to y and adding z to it"

by heathen that is

[thin remnant]

i see what u mean here 👍

hello heathen

[vital drum]

There is some room where feedback and suggestions combine a little, we generally don't go after posts like those

[thin remnant]

ah ok i see nice

so its a little loose

hello blue

the whole gangs here

[snow cipher]

Hey guys, did not bother to watch the most recent video but just popped in, are people serious? They are actually adding super close bullet drop to hunt?

[empty oasis]

Cado is the higher power. We abide by what the master says

[unborn sandal]

They plan to

[thin remnant]

I got your dm, guess I'll put it in feedback lol

[vital drum]

Feel free yeah

[unborn sandal]

they want to make it tarkov: Wild West edition

[snow cipher]

Dude that's horrible

[unborn sandal]

yeah

[thin remnant]

im a little iffy about it too yeah lol

you know whats worse though?

[unborn sandal]

everyone hates it

[thin remnant]

theyre adding an option to center the crosshair

[thin remnant]

most

[unborn sandal]

I haven’t seen a single person say they want it

[thin remnant]

i dont hate it

[vital drum]

How is that bad actually?

[thin remnant]

but i dont want it

[unborn sandal]

Other than diiba

[snow cipher]

They are just changing the game in ways I do not like as much these days

[thin remnant]

Takes away from hunts uniqueness, could allow for head glitching, makes the playing field uneven between the two settings

[snow cipher]

Like, I like melee, but I don't want it to be meta because guns suck

[unborn sandal]

I don’t know why they can’t leave well enough alone

The gunplay is great now

Why ruin it

[snow cipher]

Agreed, they should leave it alone

[empty oasis]

tbf, when they do that the player count stagnates and falls

[thin remnant]

i feel like the problem isnt that these changes are HORRIBLE, just that quite literally- nobody asked.

[vital drum]

Depends on how that's done, of course. From what we could see, aim point remains the same, just what you see above/below changes. But it's impossible to know from just screenshots, of course.

[snow cipher]

Yeah, this is the better way to put it

[thin remnant]

well then your field of view would be different

[unborn sandal]

Scaring away the people that are currently playing isn’t gonna help the player counts

[thin remnant]

allowing for advantages depending on the situation

[snow cipher]

Like, there are issues that should be fixed, but who asked for bullet drop

[thin remnant]

yuh

ok well i saw like one person ask for it

[vital drum]

Not fov, more like whether you see a little more above or below

I don't think that will be a practical issue

[thin remnant]

Yeah, this. By field of view I mean where you see

[unborn sandal]

If they go through with this I guarantee you about a month after the update after the hype dies down the player count is gonna be lower because people miss the old gunplay

[thin remnant]

not a massive issue

[vital drum]

I don't think it's an issue at all if I'm honest

[thin remnant]

im just skeptical

looking at how they added throwing spear..

im skeptical they might add head glitching and advantages and bugs

[snow cipher]

Yeah, like I could see a lot of veterans quitting because of that

[vital drum]

Spear is OP, but it's fun Enjoy it while it's so strong. It's a disruptor in its category, but it's a category that doesn't break the game

[unborn sandal]

I have 2k hours. If they do this I’m probably done

It’s a game with mainly irons

[thin remnant]

oh theyre doing it alright

i think

[unborn sandal]

I don’t know how they though bullet drop would be smart

[thin remnant]

i hope they at least do a poll

if the majority wants it, add it

if the majority doesnt, dont

[unborn sandal]

You can’t even see the people you’re shooting

[thin remnant]

gtg bye

[thin remnant]

ive repeated this so many times lol

[unborn sandal]

Bullet drop is fine in modern games with holos

[empty oasis]

We have no way of knowing that yet

[thin remnant]

and itd make scopes stronger bc of that

i go goodbye

[unborn smelt]

Short term it will, long term however, we'll need to wait and see

[snow cipher]

Yeah, hunt is my favorite game. I do not 100% most games and I did with hunt, have been playing for years and I miss the old days. They are going further and further away from what the game was meant to be. Scares me for the future and I really do not want to quit, but we will see what they do

[unborn smelt]

Well the fresh changes ofc, not the 'scaring away players' part

[lean estuary]

They should get some more side mounted ladder sights (see Winfield Talon) like I was saying

[unborn sandal]

Isnt that just a sight mount on the talon

[lean estuary]

How was it meant to be?

[lean estuary]

I think it’s just a non functioning aperture ladder sight right now

[snow cipher]

I mean, did you play old hunt? Just a different kind of game than it is becoming is what I mean. Like, I just do not want them to take it in the direction that most modern games do. Hunt was always different and that is what made it fun

[unborn sandal]

Exactly

[snow cipher]

Now, that is not to say that they will

[unborn sandal]

People love it because it’s unique

[unborn smelt]

It's hard to say how smth is or was 'meant to be'

[snow cipher]

I still have some faith in crytek, so I hope they do justice to the wonderful game

[unborn sandal]

The devs are trying to make it into every fps ever

[lean estuary]

Yeah i’ve been playing since 2019 i think - i’m curious what you think it was and what it’s becoming…not many people have the perspective

[unborn smelt]

The vision of what Hunt is meant to be changes with time

In the very veginning the stakes were much higher, because there were less rewards

And there were almost no warning mechanics

[lean estuary]

I’m thinking we probably have the same opinion, is why I ask

[vital drum]

To be honest, in this debate you can spin it however you like tbh

[unborn smelt]

Which made it overall much much slower

[vital drum]

You can present this as returning infinite headshot range (like it used to be!) but finally balanced with bullet drop

[snow cipher]

I mean, it's hard to explain, it's just in the feel of the game

Like, I think it is fine now

I am just worried about the big update

[snow cipher]

Please share yours, I am tired and struggling to put my thoughts to words atm

[tribal wyvern]

So you need to aim above players, how do you reckon you would see them ?

[snow cipher]

So sorry if I seem like I am freaking out, I am really not, I'm just a worrier

[unborn storm]

Iron sight era is over. Embrace scopes era

[tribal wyvern]

I hate scopes 😦

[vital drum]

As someone who enjoyed sniping in battlefield with iron sights from time to time, it's not as hard as people present it to be. You aren't generally operating a gun that can only be moved up and down and a stationary target, you can aim around and flick as well.

[snow cipher]

I too am an iron sight enjoyer

[vital drum]

I wouldn't be so confident, enough bullet drop will mean a sharp decrease in ranged play in general

[unborn storm]

Always bush, never push

[tribal wyvern]

Thats a meta far to many adopt

[vital drum]

Avoiding snipers is already the best way of doing it in my experience, bullet drop could simply make that a lot easier, making long-ranged play a lot less likely

[lean estuary]

Haha, oh sorry it’s ok. I’m coming at Hunt from more of the visual/audio design side, but I notice the gameplay design changes too. People bring up the hardcore vs. run’ n gun playstyle changes a lot, which I agree is happening

[snow cipher]

I mean, you do make a valid point, sniping in battlefield isn't too bad

[tribal wyvern]

Battlefield, as in the more modern ones or like Battlefield 1 ?

[vital drum]

I mostly did that in BFV

Since it has bolt-action rifles that are relevant for Hunt

[snow cipher]

Yeah, so what are your thoughts on the visual and audio comparatively? I think I like a decent bit of the visual and audio, but not necessarily gameplay

Even though I do not mind the necro nerf

[unborn sandal]

Hell let loose does it right

[unborn storm]

Winfield marksman high velocity replaces mosin spitzer as the most meta weapon. Such a big plotwist

[unborn sandal]

It has bullet drop but it’s realistic

Doesn’t affect your shots until 200+ meters

[snow cipher]

I also am not sure I like the new lobby

[snow cipher]

Yeah, I do hope if they add bullet drop that it is realistic

[unborn sandal]

We know it’s not

[tribal wyvern]

While 200m might be to far in Hunt. I think earliest 80m for weapon like Winfield would be fine. And longest 150m for Long ammo until it affects drop.

[empty oasis]

Thats not really realistic though

[unborn sandal]

They show guns with bullets drop starting in the 10-15 meters range

[vital drum]

I think Hunt is the most fun at close to mid range. If bullet drop is set up to make that the focus, it could end up being a positive for my gameplay tbh.

[tribal wyvern]

Thats like crossbow range lol

[vital drum]

I understand the appeal of sniping, but it's way too strong in Hunt rn

[lean estuary]

I notice a tone change in the newer skin designs, and the ideas they include in designs and the writing….it’s less serious overall, not treating the games concept with as much of a grounded perspective as they were originally. The newer stuff feels like it could be for any old game…so that worries me. There are warning signs.

[unborn sandal]

It is though

guns don’t poop out bullets

They’re schmoovin

[tribal wyvern]

Also can we please have gameplay > realism.
So even if 15m for a pax was "realistic."

I want to shove that down the trash. I want fun.

[vital drum]

Hunt's scopes are also set up pretty badly with no notches for correcting bullet drop. If that doesn't change, being precise and doing repeated consistent shots will be a lot tougher

[snow cipher]

That actually is super true, they do not seem to spend as much time and effort on the design choices they make. I did not really even think about it that way, but you're right. I see where you are coming from now, wanting the older stylistic choices of hunt. Maybe that is part of what I was feeling and didn't even realize. Definitely food for thought, thanks for the new perspective

[vital drum]

The problem with that number is that we don't know curves for that drop. It could be minimal for tens of meters before it becomes noticeable

[snow cipher]

True, that could for sure make it better

[lean estuary]

Sure. To be honest, I see a lot of people share this same view on Reddit, not so much on here.

[vital drum]

If pistols don't have a separate bullet drop curve to rifles, then making those numbers smalls will make sense. Because otherwise you'll turn pistols into rifles with infinite headshot ranges we're getting

[tribal wyvern]

Depends, if you aim at the chin, even that very small dip can make it a upper chest hit

[snow cipher]

Yeah, I find a few on here that agree with almost every opinion of mine, but also got the complete opposite. Internet for you lmao

[tribal wyvern]

I basically want bullet drop to just be non existant. But if it HAS to exist, not impact short-medium. And very small noticeable on long distance. And very long it should affect.

[vital drum]

That could be true as well, depends on how it's set up

I don't think that should be an issue within 30-40 meters. If it is, I'd prefer that changed

[tribal wyvern]

Well pax was 15m. I want the gameplay of shooting someone accross a compound and not need to also lead the shot but now guess above his head.

[vital drum]

Yeah, but we don't know the curve. We know that compact has the flattest curve, followed by medium and then long being the sharpest

[unborn sandal]

The single action army (the gun the pax is based on) shot .44 Henry. .44 Henry had an effective range of about 200 yards, meaning the bullet drop and moa were not significant enough to really matter up to that point

[vital drum]

It could effectively be negligeable for those additional 15-25m

[tribal wyvern]

Isn't that also just another buff to long ammo tho in general? Adding another mechanic that affects compact the hardest

[unborn storm]

Average iq: necro burn is a solo nerf and bullet drop is sniping nerf

Reality: solos ressing 1 time at full hp and sniper slaying those ironsight plebs

[vital drum]

Curve itself is the opposite, compact has the best curve

It doesn't drop as much

[tribal wyvern]

So it starts dropping earlier, but drops less.

[vital drum]

From what I understand yeah

[unborn sandal]

So what you’re saying is I bring my new army for long range and my mosin for short range

[empty oasis]

Bullets start dropping as soon as they leave the barrel. What matters is the sight zero for that particular loading. If its zeroed to 200m then it will be high at 100m because of the arc

same if its zeroed at 25m. it'll be low at 100m

[vital drum]

Would be kinda funny, but it won't be that way in practice of course 😄

[unborn storm]

Winfield marksman HV + silenced nagant HV fanning is gonna be my new. Solo meta loadout

0 fucks given to bulletdrop

[tribal wyvern]

Nagant silencer fanning ?
ooof

I'd rather go chain pistol

[snow cipher]

I am rocking that bomb lance + katana lmao

[unborn sandal]

Silenced nagant fanning is amazing what are you on about

[tribal wyvern]

No

[vital drum]

It's amazing just because of how it feels and sounds tbh

[empty oasis]

pewpewpewpewpewpewpew

[unborn sandal]

it shoots insanely fast

[tribal wyvern]

The amount of time ive either missed or survived a whole magazine at 5-10m from that pisspoor gun has made me hate it

Ye it misses insanely fast

[unborn sandal]

And the spread isn’t massive

[unborn storm]

Just my ammo slave betch for more new Winfield sniping meta

[tribal wyvern]

To big to make it reliable

Conversion is the true fanning gun.
Chain is also horrible but you get more bullets

[snow cipher]

I am a schofield fanning guy

[unborn storm]

Chain fanning fmj is the avto from AliExpress

[tribal wyvern]

Truue

[lean estuary]

Fanning a Silenced Nagant will mess up a guys hair for sure

[thin remnant]

lemat fanning is decent

but yeah scottfield is the best fanning imo

[snow cipher]

Oh man, give me a lemat flame fanning and I dig it

#feedback message
This, I like the necro change and what not, but burning does not need to be everywhere anymore. I think we could use a burn nerf.

[empty oasis]

Yeah, the insta burns are unreal and that needs to be reverted

[snow cipher]

Yeah 100%, it's just too crazy now

[empty oasis]

I'd say revert all but fusees so they have a niche

[thin remnant]

agree

and starshell

[empty oasis]

db doesnt need to ignite downs and flare has too much range. Fusees at least make you be within throwing range so theres some risk for the reward

[thin remnant]

im one for seperating starshell and flares and making starshell a better version

[snow cipher]

Hmmm, that's an interesting idea, I could be down for that

[thin remnant]

what one

[snow cipher]

Oh, I just meant the fusees one lol

[thin remnant]

k lol

[snow cipher]

I would be down to make starshell viable for sure though

[thin remnant]

i was gonna say i posted in sugg-ideas about the starshell and flare seperation

it was a while ago i think you upvoted it blue

[snow cipher]

I think I did lol

[thin remnant]

making it more like slugs vs buckshot

but for db vs starshell

[snow cipher]

And yeah, I think you did well with the idea overall

[empty oasis]

I mean, they slowed the burning rate of downs originally and back then all we had were lanterns and fire bombs.
Now its sped back up and everything can set you on fire

[thin remnant]

yeah lol

burning was made a bit crazy

[snow cipher]

Yeah, it's just overtuned right now

[thin remnant]

on another note, choke bombs should have some kind of world item alternative

so that theyre not literally necessary for any kind of team play

but still handy because you have them right at your disposal

[empty oasis]

So should poison bombs tbf

[snow cipher]

Yes they should, was it you who put that idea in the suggestions?

[thin remnant]

no

but i agree with the guy who did.

Maybe have like, water bottles or something idk
or buckets, idc

even another smokey thing would be welcome

[snow cipher]

Oh, well I liked his implementation too, with the actual stuff they used to have

[empty oasis]

bags of sand would be simple i'd think

[snow cipher]

It was cool

[thin remnant]

thats a good idea

yeah i would want bags of sand for sure

[snow cipher]

#game-ideas message
Here was his suggestion

I liked the look of it

[thin remnant]

oh cool i see it

yeah i like the idea

i think id rather sand bags than that but i agree we totally need smth

[snow cipher]

I'd be fine with sand too

[thin remnant]

maybe ill post in sugg-ideas about the sand bags, thanks heathen lol

[snow cipher]

Like, it does not have to be as strong as chokes, or as ranged, just another option lol

[thin remnant]

yeah

so theyre not NECESSARY

im p much always down for adding more variety to potential playstyles

the fact that you NEED 2 tool slots, often 3, filled up with specific things to play is kinda annoying

[empty oasis]

@vocal wolf #game-ideas message
There's already an lfg for console

https://discord.com/channels/350201607788429323/674287458980069376

[thin remnant]

[medkits and chokes, sometimes melee]

[snow cipher]

Very very true statement

[vocal wolf]

I cannot find it 😅

[thin remnant]

they linked it

[empty oasis]

!lfg

[marsh garden]

Be sure to check out our LFG (looking for group) channels to find a partner:
For PC: #na , #eu, #asia, #oceania, #south-america
For consoles #looking-for-group-console & #looking-for-group-xbox
Regional LFG channels: #ru-поиск-игроков & #br-procurando-grupo

[vocal wolf]

Says I’ve no access

[thin remnant]

then you didnt checkmark the console role

when joining the server

[empty oasis]

update your role for playstation

[vocal wolf]

Oooh I joined years ago on pc

[thin remnant]

is there a !roles command

guess ill find out

[vocal wolf]

It’s since died

[thin remnant]

!role

[marsh garden]

You can add or remove roles to gain access to different channels or be notified of different announcements in the id:customize section.

[vocal wolf]

Right yeah cheers I asked other day in general

[empty oasis]

!jumbo

[vocal wolf]

And got swerved

[snow cipher]

That's also why I kinda liked this idea a guy had about making a perk for syringes to have more uses per syringe or something of the like, just to make it so you did not always HAVE to bring a medkit

[thin remnant]

yah

[empty oasis]

Star for you

[thin remnant]

yay thank you

[vocal wolf]

Thank you so much, genuinely didn’t even realize been soloing and it’s not been as fun as I remember

[empty oasis]

I'm going to go ahead and remove the suggestion

[vocal wolf]

Yeah no worries, just me not realizing cheers

[snow cipher]

Good luck in the bayou

[thin remnant]

i suggested the sandbags 🙂

[snow cipher]

You got my vote 👍

[empty oasis]

I'd make them at least as common as lanterns and really they'd need to be more common imo

[snow cipher]

I mean, that's definitely true if they keep the burn how it is

[empty oasis]

Well they'd need to be as common just to keep up with lanterns. Then you have fire bombs, etc to contend with

[snow cipher]

Ah yeah, that's true

So yeah, probably as common is what I would go with

More common though if the burn meta stays

[thin remnant]

yuh

[snow cipher]

Could make some guaranteed ones spawn too, unsure though

[thin remnant]

itd be nice if every compound had at least one

and boss lairs would have like 3

[snow cipher]

That's kinda what I had in mind, 1 or 2, and yeah layers could have more

[thin remnant]

layers?

https://tenor.com/bed3Y.gif

[snow cipher]

Sorry, tired lmao

[thin remnant]

damn it

[snow cipher]

I was correcting it as you were too lmao

[thin remnant]

you edited it so now my gif doesnt make sense

can you add the typo back pwetty pwease

[snow cipher]

Why not lol

For the memes

[thin remnant]

[thin remnant]

you know what

[snow cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-meme-gif-20880973

[snow cipher]

What?

[thin remnant]

i edited the suggestion

in honor of you

[snow cipher]

You are awesome brother

That made my day

Lmao

[thin remnant]

Heathen whatever you're writing rn you have to include the word potato in it

[empty oasis]

@obsidian sorrel #game-ideas message
Traits that interact with darksight: serpent, vigor, poisonsense, blade seer, vigilant, necromancer, and remedy. Plus witness and shadowleap are on the way

Vigor is great for non stam shot boss fights and cross map runs (pairs great with determination and greyhound) as well as paired with regen shot and will pair nicely with witness (a significant nerf to ghoul imo)

Serpent is a great utility perk for teams as well. Let's you avoid meatheads and soundtraps at clues as well as snagging a bounty off of an exposed hunter corpse

Vigilant is a 1pt trait and should really be a main pick because it's a hard counter to any and all traps

Shadowleap will be useful for surprise movements and flanks

I'm not necessarily against more darksight perks but we do have a bunch already

Potato

[thin remnant]

im disappointed

you said it after, not in

good enough though

ill accept it

[turbid sparrow]

they should throwing knifes fly speed a bit

silly that axe and knife fly same speed

should be like axe 30m/s, knife 45m/s and spear 60m/s or something

[pulsar canopy]

they should also increase accuracy of throwing knives at least, axes too maybe

[empty oasis]

Axe should be faster than the knife imo
It's longer so can get more leverage during the wrist snap

[chilly nova]

Dude, that's nuts. I just realized the conversion and pax showed a drop range of 10 in that update video.... uppercut 15

This feels like a late April Fool's joke

[flat sandal]

why? should pistols not have a low value? that is when the bullet starts droppin

[wet gust]

@arctic flame yeah just remove the new weapon the devs worked hard on

[arctic flame]

i just says the spears calm down

[river zephyr]

@arctic flame I get the sentiment and agree it's OP for sure but, I love it as an addition to the game. Really needs to be fixed though.

For instance, should be a weapon slot not just a tool slot. Fix the damage on that thing for sure, because... wow.

But using it against AI is just so "duh" to me. "I'm going into some crazy ass place with dogs, leeches, bee ladies, and a big ass spider that won't come off the roof? Yeah, I'd like a long pointy stick to keep them at a distance, sure!"

[cursive gulch]

Thousands of hours and I think I'm going to quit Hunt because of bullet drop. It's just RNG at range essentially. You can't aim above a target with most crosshairs or aperature at range. It will encourage just compact ammo spamming at range which has the least drop and biggest ammo pool. Long ammo with the least ammo pool and largest drop will become useless guess work.

[split ore]

Hello everyone. 1000 hours in Hunt, playing two years as a main game these days. Like it and most aspects of it.
The news about upcoming update left me with mixed feelings.
Main thing – bullet drop. First thought for me was: “If the gunfights in Hunt usually happen on distance less than 100 meters, does it really make sense?”. I don’t see any realism in it or adding challenging/fun. With most weapons, that have big pauses between shots, gunfights are already satisfying and challenging.
And then the conclusion. Making bullet drop for distances 100-200 meters and further might be actually good idea. It will make sniping more challenging. It will make people think twice before trying to shoot a moving target, that is unaware of your presence. It will make people want to engage and come closer, because fighting on distance means a lot of miss shots and wasted bullets, that are quite precious.
Now, with making long ammo drop more, than short ammo, it sounds rather unlogic. Long ammo, that has higher speed and was made for long range fight, will fall more because of its weight? And short ammo, that flying much slower, drops later. With Winfield 1873 and scope you will have easier aim on a long range, than with Krag. At least it sounds so. Long ammo: you pay attention more on vertical aim, a bit on horizontal; short ammo – more attention on horizontal, less on vertical. Confusing.
TL;DR: I consider the best solution to leave bullet drop on small-mid distances without changes. And to make it noticeable from, at least, 100 meters and further, to make sniping challenging.

[hasty plaza]

Haven't played since the patch and watching the awful pixel-fest it is. Hearing about these other things, I may just stop playing it altogether. Been fun, but the devs aren't listening.

[queen zinc]

What makes the spear OP?

Ive played several matches, havent died to it once

Its useless if fighting from fences

Or literally any sort of cover

[faint sphinx]

drop bullet is a bad idea i agree.. i dont even understand them , they release a spear that you can throw fast like a missile and the next patch they want to add drop bullet on bullet ?????????????? my god.... wtf

to be honest drop bullet after 85 meters make no sens to me......... and YES nerf that spear or remove it ..

[river zephyr]

It will one-shot-kill you anywhere it hits you even if it's a toe when it's thrown (also when it hits you with heavy melee too, I believe). Even though tools were nerfed against bosses, the spear is all I need to take them down pretty fast. It's also able to do all this and only takes 1 tool slot.

[cursive gulch]

I can understand bullet drop on a game with mordern weapons and scopes, but Hunt relies on Iron sights. You have to aim blindly above a hunter for it to hit their head. I don't even know if that will be satisfying to do correctly. Part of what makes Hunt appealing is actually lining up the iron sights on someone's head with the right lead time on velocity. Adding Bullet drop just means you can't even see your target, and a weapon with an aperture doesn't even have room in your line of sight do to that at all.

[tiny pivot]

Bullet drop really kneecaps aperture’s which I finally felt like we’re finding a decent spot to be used with the Mako one incentivizing people to use them more

[mellow folio]

its bad enough to implement bullet drop. its double worse to not even apply it correctly by literally violating the laws of basic physics. gravity has NO VARIABLE EFFECT on an object with respect to its MASS. a feather and a hammer WILL fall at the same rate and hit the ground at the same time in a 0 atmosphere environment.

so the notion that 'long ammo' will have additional bullet drop to other variants is down sydrome logic

[empty oasis]

It's game balance. It's the same logic that says a .50-100 sparks round to the chest wont kill you in one shot

[mellow folio]

wrong. its meta-gaming and counter intuitive to the basic concepts of how reality works.

it now REQUIRES individuals to KNOW what the back ground coding is to play the game, instead of using basic instinctual knowledge and basic high school physics

[empty oasis]

So the 0 bullet drop thats currently in game adheres to these high school physics?

[mellow folio]

it is perfectly natural to choose to use a long ammo weapon because it IS superior in every way. however, this would be incorrect to assume when now having to learn what the meta coding is to so called 'ballance'

NO, however. it is CONSISTANT

applying bullet drop INCORRECTLY is INCONSISTENCY

[empty oasis]

To model drop correctly you'd have to factor in so many things that it'd appear inconsistant anyhow though

[mellow folio]

a player now has to read how the coding works to play the game to find the new meta weapon. the skin and look of a weapon is now irrelivent

[empty oasis]

You dont have to read how the coding works, you just have to get used to the drop that each weapon has just like you already do with lead time for different velocities

[mellow folio]

no one is asking for what your saying. im simply stating the facts on how ballistics works in physics and WHY long rifles are long rifles and have LESS bullet drop than pistols and short ammo. this is reality, not an opinion. your ballancing is inconsistent with facts

the weapons no longer make logical sense. long ammo has more propellant in the round, which means more energy, which means higher exit velocity from the barrel, which means it flys truer and straighter for longer and wind resistance has LESS effect on its HIGHER MASS.

additionally, long RIFLES allow the energy to propell the round further in the barrel for more exit velocity. its the ENTIRE POINT

your arguing for complete counter intuity of logic for 'balancing' what does balancing even MEAN? for who, to achieve what? just make 1 weapon and everyone uses the same thing. then its balanced

the 'skins' and appearance of weapons will no longer even matter

because there is no visual guide of clue to indicate how the pretend weapons will behave when going against instincual ideas of ballistics for the average gamer

[empty oasis]

I'm jsut going to let you rant because im not going into balistic coefficients, humidity, bullet shape, and velocities effects on bullet drop. It's a game, its not going to be completely logical. My advice is just to wait and see how its implemented instead of throwing a fit because you dont like how it sounds from the scarce info that we currently have

[mellow folio]

your projecting. i am stating facts and you dont like them

[empty oasis]

k. have fun

[rustic timber]

Don't know if this is a feature from you guys in crytek.. But being a sniper user is amazing right now.. No threes or anythign is loading in.. Quite a see through show to be honest..

Oooh.. and two four stars got mmr'ed with us being a five, five and a six. What a great summer update..

Very wise decision to bring down anything to seriously low graphic, with no shadows.. That will make the next gen look like real life, amazing in comparrison! U guys have this all figured out! xD

[empty oasis]

@fair rover Your post "Title: bullet drop will kill hunt" has been removed as it was feedback
Please repost it in the #feedback channel

[hot vigil]

There are plenty of video games that have mass agnostic bullet drop :)

[mellow folio]

correct, and your steam player stats will probably reflect that

[hot vigil]

Maybe
But point is, that pointing out that "it doesn't make sense" as it something that is gonna make the game unplayable is just silly, because there are already plenty of game out there that have done the same as Hunt doing, balancing bullet drop for gameplay and not realism.

[mellow folio]

im not making a point of bullet drop, im making a point of it being implemented completely and utterly incorrectly and oposite of how it should work.

[hot vigil]

Which my point is, Hunt is a game, not a milsim simulator, so it goes down the arcade route of mass agnostic bullet drop system, like plenty of other games have done :)

[mellow folio]

and died as a result

[hot vigil]

PUBG is still plenty of popular

[mellow folio]

zoom out

[mellow folio]

lol zoom out to the entire thing

[mellow folio]

its flat lined since 2019. and whats your POINT making strawman?

im not even talking about that crap game

your intentionally avoiding the POINT

[hot vigil]

No

[mellow folio]

stay on point

bullet drop increasing for long ammo vs others is DUMB

[hot vigil]

Why?

Except "muh realism"

[mellow folio]

i explained it already. not repeating myself

you cant counter argument

stay on the points i already made

i never said realism. i said logic

your projecting and putting words i never said

[hot vigil]

I counter with, that other games are also doing unrealistic bullet drops

[mellow folio]

quote what i SAID

be specific

[hot vigil]

Hoenstly don't fucking care anymore, you are being fucking obnoxius and it seems like other people also have come to the same conclusion

[mellow folio]

haha. as always, attack the person, not the issue. typical

[hot vigil]

Well, my argue was the game is not gonna die bc of bullet drop "literally violating the laws of basic physics"

Many popular games on the market does that and they are fine

Apex

CoD

PUBG

[humble quest]

Is being a flat line at 600k players for 5 years even close to dead

[rustic timber]

We don't know much bullet drop it even is. Let's not take sorrows in advance. For all we know it is just a little, to make headshots a bit more difficult for snipers, and pistols.

[hot vigil]

Don't bother this individual is severely fact-resistant

[humble quest]

Reading more yeah that's fair

[severe willow]

When is crytek going to fix this game, just got headshot at 270m in full bush cover. But here’s the problem, sniper can see me clear as day because his console can’t render bushes at that range. Please for the love of god fix rendering in your servers. That’s blatant exploitation for render distance.

[fair rover]

Its feedback but alright

If yall dont like the bad feedback dont give us bad updates half the community doesnt want

Ohh did i put it in the wrong section? Ehh idk its counts as a suggestion to, a suggestion to not ruining the game lol

[empty oasis]

#feedback-discussion message
It's completely fine in feedback, it just doesnt fit in #game-ideas

@cursive gulch Your post "Title: Bullets Fly Straight " has been removed as it was feedback
Please repost it in the #feedback channel

[chilly nova]

Is there not a bot that can just move posts instead of deleting them? I've never understood that

[chilly nova]

Except it'll be harder for ironsights than scopes

[lean estuary]

So certain, are you?

[thin remnant]

YOU DID IT YAY
Thank U
The naming the post thing :D

[thin remnant]

Because it's true
Scopes can see underneath the crosshair making it easier to account for drop and still see the target properly, but irons will have to cover their target with the gun model to hit them at the same range.

[empty oasis]

@proud narwhal Your post "Title: Aperture Sight Buff " has been removed due to "No discussions/replies."

[lean estuary]

I think Heathen said this up there somewhere, but your (and others) assumption is that the iron sights will be zeroed a certain way, when you actually don’t know yet. The drop distance at which the gun body will occlude the view of your target may happen at extreme ranges only. Ranges which you wouldn’t normally attempt with irons

[thin remnant]

Normally. Extreme ranges.
So like the different between a scope and iron sights? As in scopes will have even more of an advantage at those extreme ranges than they already did?

No matter how the drop is implemented and the iron sights zeroed, there will be a range where you used to be able to see when aiming with irons where you won't anymore.

Unless the drop is so negligible it may as well have not been added.

[lean estuary]

Sure, then you’ve encountered the weakness with irons

[thin remnant]

So we agree

[lean estuary]

TLDR: get mad if you want to, you don’t know anything yet

[thin remnant]

Why do you think I'm mad?

Also you agreed with me lol

[lean estuary]

Hold please

[thin remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitten-cat-hang-cute-gif-15904303

https://tenor.com/L59I.gif

[lean estuary]

No i just agreed that scopes have an advantage at long range, like they always did, not that they will have MORE advantage now. There may be some sight-over-bore tradeoffs or something, at very close range with the sniper scope, for instance. We don’t know!

[thin remnant]

https://tenor.com/bELUF.gif

[thin remnant]

Yeah, so you're agreeing

cheers lol

oh wait nvm youre not

okay riddle me this

how could they possibly have it so that across the longest sightline in the game, your gun model DOESNT cover the enemy with irons

if they actually add bullet drop to the point it matters and should be added

My argument isn't that this situation will be common, but that it will inevitably be the case.

[lean estuary]

It might become a skill issue if you’re trying to bullseye a pixel i guess

Better learn to estimate

[delicate inlet]

Hello every one , I need help about the audio problem I have and it started about 4 days ago , when I start the game the audio feels very weak like I can't even hear footsteps correctly but when I close the game and run it again it gets fixed... It happens so much that I can't even tell now that it is fixed or not... I tried verifying the game files but all were ok and I can't find any help elsewere , please help!

[thin remnant]

#game-ideas message did it glitch lol

!audio

worth a try lol

[soft river]

#game-ideas message

suggestion so bad you can't upvote it

insane

[trim pebble]

You had great, beautiful reasons why not add bulletdrop. It was all for us. What happened? Are changes happening just the make game feel more alive or what is going on...Ive been on it since alpha and I have never had probs with changes. But wth is this? No-one asking for this. These changes are what Acolyte is for Star Wars, someone gone rogue...

[trim pebble]

Sad thing is im not going to re-learn all the muscle memories Ive developed over 10000 hours. Why you even force this on people. Sorry for whining but it rattles me, please !Stop Bulletdrop!

[unborn dagger]

@paper belfry It's both engaging and a proper way to balance powerful traits since that gives us a reason to want to explore the map

[thin remnant]

Don't not add it, just try it in the test servers and listen for feedback.

[unborn dagger]

There is no test servers since rarely anyone used it :/

[hardy coral]

Like I'd be okay with it being added, but only if they care to alter it rapidly.

Annoying when something half baked (scope movement nerf) is added and never touched again.

[faint sphinx]

they make no fucking sens bro ... they add a spear that you can throw like a missile but they re going to add drop bullet? im ok with the no soft head shot from the compact ammo but not with the drop bullet and remove the spear or make it a weapon and carry x3 and im ok with that

throw that spear in the sky and tell me if it make sens... Legit a superman throw ...

[willow lantern]

this... I will NOT wait until I test it to complain... I have played a number of games with bullet drop and hated them ALL, those are ALL tacticool shooters that take the skill way the fuck out, you have full auto weapons and can walk your shots... and every shot is a tracer... I don't plan on waiting 'till it's in and having my entire experience of the next event ruined

[tight sierra]

Yeah I hate the argument that you have to wait to play it to know if you'll dislike it, I dislike bullet drop in every other MP shooter I've played so why would it be different here? Been playing since 2018 will probably not be after the update.

[hardy coral]

It also sucks even more because you have irons, not like an open scope where you can line it up.

[willow lantern]

whaaat... you don't like not being able to aim back at the snipers when they can easily see you through the scope when aiming above you? :)) what is counterplay

[hardy coral]

The game has been perfectly fine with the current headshot distances and flat bullets, what isn't is how powerful long ammo is compared to the rest. This bullet drop thing is a convoltued way to try and nerf it.

Instead of just lowering the damage, lowering the rate of fire, changing the damage curves, changing limb multipliers etc.

[willow lantern]

IMO... long ammo should do less damage (under 125), but keep it's damage over range better (light sharp bullet that goes fast, not as much stopping power) where as medium should do over 125 damage but hava a steeper descending curve (heavy stubby bullet slows down faster, but a lot of stopping power up front)

[hardy coral]

You could remove spitzer and rebalance the long ammo bolt action rifles around distance and limb breakpoints better while still all being below 125

Krag could even go as low as 100-110 damage but in exchange get more velocity than it already has.

[unborn dagger]

@jagged wagon My guy it's pretty self explanatory for why they're adding it in. The way bullet drop is supposed to work is the heavier the bullet is(Long ammo) the shorter the range it has until it starts to drop. They're trying to make compact and medium ammo more appealing.

[hardy coral]

Which you could do in a myriad other ways that doesn't make the game frustrating to play.

Changing the shooting people have come to the game for over the course of 6+ years.

[unborn dagger]

Im all for spitzer being removed though

[hardy coral]

Just change the damn stats on the guns (don't remove the disadvantage to the krag either wow).

[hot vigil]

This, people still seem to forget that winnie damage numbers are still good if they have long ammo reach.

[unborn dagger]

I'm all for long ammo getting a damage nerf since it has like everything else going for it

[hardy coral]

100 damage still kills with a leg+upper body

Just means you have to be more precise at a distance or simply land those headshots (fastest cycling high velocity long ammo, hit head forehead)

[hot vigil]

100 damage still drains two medkit charges

[hardy coral]

Regen shot tho

[hot vigil]

1 if you you have the most expensive trait in the game

[hardy coral]

I hate the regen shot so much, removes the healing economy.

[hot vigil]

I agree, except for how oppressive long ammo is currently.
If damage was lower over all, I would love regen to go

[unborn dagger]

At least it has a 5 second delay once hit

[mellow star]

As far as I know, the Hunt developers are going to transfer the game to p2p servers.
P2P is a very bad type of communication. Servers are created between players. That is, there are no servers. There are steam servers that lag between players. Which are just as easy to hack. A network is created between players and you join some player and play through his server, through his Internet, through his computer. You transmit information and data. Game is complete in short.
Stop ruining the game all the time! A glaring failure of p2p servers is Ubisoft's For Honor. After which they changed the server system! Stop stepping in sh*t! Watch your step! Open your eyes! Don't ruin my favorite game!

[unborn dagger]

Are p2p servers ever good? No matter what game it's always considered an awful idea.

[hardy coral]

Where does it say this? If so that's basically putting the game at end of life.

[jagged wagon]

That can be done other ways without having to add bullet drop, breaking the laws of physics, and going back on your very clear and sensible reasons for why the game hasn't had it for 6 years. There has to be more to it than that, I am not even against the idea, it might feel fun to play and something new to learn, but just dropping it at the end of the video with no example videos of the difference we can expect is why there is so much controversy around it. lets be honest we all play because of how good it feels to shoot a gun in hunt, let alone land that killing blow, and there is a lot of sentiment around "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[queen jungle]

Source for this?

[vital drum]

Are you confusing things because they're moving to a decentralized backend? That's not for match servers, that's for the backend that handles menus, matchmaking etc. They're going to have multiple locations, so if there are issues in one region, those don't cascade to the rest of the game.

[crystal plume]

Yeah Hunt ain't gonna go P2P

[river basin]

Guys if necromancer is going to be a burn trait, does that mean I don't have to waste my time babysitting solo hunters anymore?

[idle folio]

Only if you kill them twice

[river basin]

Nice😼

[unborn dagger]

Yeah laws of physics isn't an importance here, balancing is. Hunt is not striving to be this ultra realistic simulator game and never has been. I agree that they should show a video example of something as big as this though

[stark fulcrum]

Also allows faster play instead of patching every time someone grazes you bc it went past a bar.

[lean estuary]

I hope I’m imagining it differently that how it will be…sounds like it could feel so weird to play with

[unborn dagger]

It does, which is why I feel like something as big as this would be good for a test server even though that's barely used

[lean estuary]

I’m also imagining the “killing blow” won’t feel too much different than the delay we already have. It still might be fun after the adjustment period is over

[lean estuary]

Good point

I remember feeling out the shot drops of all the guns in Pubg, eventually you get the hang of it, and at close and medium ranges everything still feels like damn laser blaster

[mellow star]

I hope so, thanks

[signal silo]

#game-ideas message

I'd say this should be expanded to any one handed weapon. Why can't I wield an officer and the saber?

[lean estuary]

Im all for this since our characters always have a free hand (currently) while shooting a one handed gun

[signal silo]

Ikr?

[harsh topaz]

There is a bug when hunters that have taken rotjaw is not registerd as taken and thus flash does not show up on the map

[empty oasis]

@onyx urchin Your post "Title: MMR Rebalance" has been removed as it was feedback.
Please repost it in the #feedback channel. Throw me a DM if you'd like a full copy of the text

[tidal grove]

4 games in a row with rain, we are fed up with these climates where you can't hear anything. We have enough with the nights when everyone is camping, for God's sake.

[odd wagon]

god forbid crytek make the game interesting

[empty oasis]

@paper belfry #game-ideas message

While I am in no way opposed to more hunters with hoods, we do have a lot already

[boreal jacinth]

So we need to discuss the bullet drop mistake made by the hunt devs

Heavier bullets do not fall faster than lighter bullets

[paper belfry]

But not assasin like, thats what i meant, reptillian aprenticce is close

[boreal jacinth]

In fact they would fall slower because they are faster

Galileo 1500s would like to have a conversation with you devs

[empty oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-horse-spank-exhausted-wake-up-gif-17245109

This convo, in one form or another, has already happened approx 5,673 times since that video

Pointing out that it defies physics, as a main point, while ignoring that so does the current model that lacks any drop is just funny at this point

[boreal jacinth]

No I'm fine with bullet drop being added

It should have been a thing a long time ago

[empty oasis]

Lets be honest, Whoever wrote the text probably doesnt have a background in shooting or an intimate understanding of ballistics as relating to firearms

[boreal jacinth]

Even if so.....that's like 6th grade physics

I learned that from a lady with an apple and a penny dawg

[empty oasis]

But its not trying to be realistically accurate so who cares?
It's describing game balance in a world where you can teleport, get back up after being shot in the head, and see "auras" of enemies with the magic power of demons

[hardy coral]

It's such an wkward way to try and nerf long ammo.

Just change it in any other way rather than messing with the shooting that people have been accustomed to for almost 6 years.

[boreal jacinth]

Counter point, the bullet speeds are measured in a realistic fashion according to the devs and the game listings

[empty oasis]

But the damage isnt. We can pick and choose stuff all we want to either attack or defend any particular addition. I'm pretty meh on the whole thing but i'm reserving final judgement until I actually get to try it

[hardy coral]

I don't see why it's needed over any other balance choice, it'll suck just, holding breath to what degree.

[boreal jacinth]

Well damage actually is if you calculate slowdown of a projectile over distance, while yes a mosin at 500 meters headshot would still kill you IRL they are putting the unlimited headshot range back into the game

[hardy coral]

That's another choice that sucks.

[boreal jacinth]

Saying "this bullet is heavier so it falls faster" just makes the devs look like idiots

Or at least uneducated

[empty oasis]

The chance of you living and continuing to fight after being hit in the chest by a .50-100 (.50-110? dont remember the exact loading)sparks round or a 7.62x54r mosin round at any distance is slim to none

[boreal jacinth]

And naw I was around for the unlimited head shot range in the beta it was better that way

I thought the sparks in the game shot the old .45-70

[empty oasis]

No, the springfield should be .45-70 as should the mako iirc

[hardy coral]

Bornheim match with HV better at long range headshots than mosin after patch

[boreal jacinth]

Can we get a feature where if I shoot someone with the nitro it knocks them out of their boots ?

[hardy coral]

Headshot ranges for rifles have been generous for some time, the pistols REALLY don't need unlimited headshot.

[empty oasis]

I just want a cartoon sized hole to appear on their hunter

[boreal jacinth]

That's the real unrealistic gun

"you hit him in the are" 700 grain bullet he has no arm

I could hit you in the big toe, you are dead

[empty oasis]

So is 12ga slugs (1 oz or 440 grain) not 1 tapping you at more than 16m but 🤷‍♂️

[hardy coral]

I think people are more accepting of abstracted/gamey damage than they are of physics (when implemented).

Bullets flying straight is ofc unrealistic but it serves to make the gunplay crisp and focuses it instead on angles and the muzzle velocity.

[empty oasis]

And from what we've heard that'll still be the case in most fights. Again, I'm just gonna wait and see before getting too worked up about it

[hardy coral]

If it's not applicable in the vast majority of situations why add it.

If it's just for longer ranges then it just serves to make snipers more annoying since the scopes let you compensate way easier.

[empty oasis]

Personally? I think it's to make deadeye scope actually be relevant but thats just my own tinfoil hat theory

[hardy coral]

You make the deadeye scope relevant by removing the movement speed penalty on it since it's an irons sidegrade.

It was perfectly good before they blanket nerfed scopes to try and reign in mosin sniper and lebel marksman.

[rotund obsidian]

maybe for you, im just built different like that

[chilly nova]

Lol, my partner was pressuring the bounty team so hard while I was burning. It's so stupid that you want burning to go faster. He won the 2v1 as well. And you want burning to be faster? You act like it's to solve stalemates and camping, but burning just really makes the attacking team have a larger advantage and makes them camp more.

It was an active fight the entire time before they burned too. It was never a stalemate. The only stalemates happen when people sit around the lair, when people burn, and when people have shotguns.

The only time burning is too slow is waiting for a solo to burn out, and that can be solved other ways.

It's crazy how wrong so many people are about this change. Flare pistols did the same thing. A flare pistol is so easy to use. I used to be able to prevent teams from burning by pressuring them. Now they can burn for free with a flare with no risk to themselves.

I should be rewarded for pushing a team in a 2v1 and winning it. They shouldn't get an even larger advantage because they got the first kill.

It makes everything about the first kill, which will make people camp even more.

More game decisions need to focus on duos. That's what this game was designed for.

[hot vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[grizzled sleet]

i really thought we had a rotjaw bug because this little mini rotjaw event wasnt even posted in the game or even at least the steam page...

[rotund obsidian]

@amber stirrup #game-ideas message so you just want them to not be scarce traits? i think rampage being all over the place would be a nightmare

[queen jungle]

Buyable remedy and rampage, no thank you.

[wanton imp]

yeah no thanks

[empty oasis]

@rustic timber Your post "Title: Fix graphic bug before Next gen Update" has been removed as it is feedback.

Please repost it in the #feedback channel

[rustic timber]

You are so good at physics.. Like amazingly good at physics.. You should be very proud of yourself. However.. It is not a mistake to try to balance the long ammo meta, that has been hauting this game for a while. Two ways where optional.. One was nerfing the long ammo, and pistol sniping in some way.. Or buff the medium and compact ammo to match the long ammo meta. I think they made right choice..

[thin remnant]

This isn't the way to do it.

They could do something slightly realistic.

Make long ammo under 125 damage, it'd feel less wack

[rotund obsidian]

idc about realism but its kinda just counterintuitive and i think they coulda just nerfed long ammo instead of making it harder to use

[thin remnant]

changing a whole core gameplay mechanic for the sake of nerfing one thing is iffy

[thin remnant]

yeah

just make it pen less or do less damage

whatever

you have stats, change em

[fair basalt]

damn feedback is nothing but bullet drop

[thin remnant]

yeah lol

im not surprised its very controversial

and a very dramatic change

[fair basalt]

nobody even talking about the real issue (carcass gunrunner oiled up quest line still bugged)

[thin remnant]

wat

nah, the real issue is every bug ever

glitching into terrain, crosshair disappearing

and immolator buff

/poison ammo nerf

[sonic goblet]

@thin remnant @queen jungle Your posts have been removed from #feedback. Please post your own Feedback. Do not copy and paste Feedback messages. Whether this be your own or other users' posts.

[thin remnant]

sorgy

[rotund obsidian]

@sinful latch i had the idea of just making it so you could shoot the boat/carriage (or maybe like, a bell hanging from the top or something) to add 30 seconds to the timer, which would accomplish the same thing, but that would work too. the extra range check already exists from the horses tweaking or the boat horn when someone enters a wide radius of the extract, so they could probably do that somewhat reasonably

[sinful latch]

Ya! I've just been in too many scenarios where I'm in a compound with a team but there's an extract to the west and an extract to the east and they take off opposite of me. It takes ~15 seconds to notice by lightning bolt movement they're making a run for it.

Typically, that even is too much time to get to the block range depending how effecient it is to get to the other side of the compound.

I just want to be able to contest a cowardly team slightly better without empowering extract sniper campers.

[boreal jacinth]

No it's not a mistake, however it is a mistake to give a reason for weight to be the factor that causes the bullet to drop rather than just saying "long ammo has a shorter range and higher drop off than compact ammo"

The words involved in the decision matter and the "reason" for the decision should have had enough forethought put into it instead of making the player base think the devs are not educated enough to know how physics work

I'm not complaining about the solution, it's the language used explaining the solution that is idiotic.

[flat sandal]

#feedback message
@copper mantle So, I mean no disresoect at all. It's just funny how two people can look at the same thing and come to two completely different conclusions. I though the changes made and planned are mostly really good and show that the devs think about that stuff the same way we all do. The spear is a bit funny but I'm sure it will find it's place. For me it was just a total non issue thus far, I never got killed by it and when I use it it is strong for pve but I don't think I would choose it for pvp unless for the memes. Also maybe if they added and Achilles skin 😄 What other bad changes were there apart from solo necro? 😉

[fair rover]

I mean adding bullet drop to a 6 year old game suddenly is just a 0 iq idea who would of guessed the community is pissed lol

I honestly couldnt think of a worse idea for something new to add to hunt, its almost like whoever suggested that dumb idea actually wants to kill hunt

[flat sandal]

I think what they are going for is keeping the game pretty much the same in 95% of scenarios while being able to balance some weapons into their niche

[fair rover]

0 chance the devs actually play hunt if they think bullet drop is a good idea

[fair rover]

Balance what? Uppercut by making it 123 damage and a bullet drop of 15 yet it still cost 414?

Balance snipers by making them even more op then ever before?

[flat sandal]

but it won't be as easy to land long range shots with it while it probably feeling normals where it should

[fair rover]

Balance slugs on shotguns by making them now 1 shot to the head at ANY range? Cmon dont lie to yourself nothing is getting balanced

[flat sandal]

we dont know that

[fair rover]

... we do? Idk if you didnt pay attention to the yt video but they said the bullet drop would be low on spitzer ammo

[flat sandal]

why is that a problem and other gun could do that better. not so familiar with slugs but I dont understand that point

[flat sandal]

but it could still be higher then compact

[fair rover]

Could, but it wont

[flat sandal]

cause its long ammo still

well anyway, the point is it might not make a difference in most cases

[fair rover]

Because its a SHOTGUN do you not remember when the slate came out while slugs were still able to long range headshot? Slate slugs were the only weapons being used at that time 🤣

[flat sandal]

still i dont see why you think it will be op now.

[fair rover]

Okay put it like this, if compact ammo has low bullet drop plus infinite headshot range now then the snipers will just use winfield and lemat snipers

[fair rover]

Then your either a 3 star or dont play the game enough

[flat sandal]

or you just didnt explain it at all

[fair rover]

Nothing needs to be explained.. slugs with infinite headshot range lol

[flat sandal]

is it easier to hit with slugs?

[fair rover]

....it means you can use a shotgun which can 1 tap close range while still being able to use your weapon for long range

The whole point of a shotgun is the thing slaps at close range but it worthless at long range

[flat sandal]

and you think they won't account for that?

just cause it was bad then doesnt mean it will be nad now

[fair rover]

Becsuse they said EVERY weapon now can one shot at ANY range

[flat sandal]

now dont leave hanging crytek 😄

and do you know the drop it will have?

[fair rover]

Once people learn the drops it will mean nothing

Same way any good player with a bow still can hit you at range

[flat sandal]

never got headshot by a bow at long range ever

cause I'm 3* I'm guessing

[fair rover]

One because nobody uses a bow at range due to its heavy falloff and two nobody used bow much to begin with

[flat sandal]

but it would kill you in the head right?

[fair rover]

Doesnt change the fact that people can still hit bow shots at range, and obviously slugs wont drop as bad as a bow

[fair rover]

Now it will

[flat sandal]

I'm sure it will be alright

[fair rover]

Mhm sure

Fun fact, trying to gaslight yourself into thinking the new update it good doesnt help crytek see that its not, if we want them to make a good game we need to call them out when they make mistakes

[flat sandal]

adding drop has undeniable pros and possible cons.

[thin remnant]

It also has undeniable cons lol

[fair rover]

Even if it did have more pros then cons (which it OBVIOUSLY does not) most older players will not try to relearn all the guns again and instead will play the next fps game come out

[flat sandal]

honestly don't like the way you are talking but okay. Funfact, bulletdrop is coming there is nothing we can say or do to stop that from happening. not before it was out anyway. Or do you expect them to scrap it when it's pretty much finished cause of unfounded concerns by some?

[thin remnant]

I expect them, hopefully, to release bullet drop to the TEST SERVERS and listen for community feedback.

That way we don't ruin the game if it's horrible

[flat sandal]

no many depending how subtle it is, you can have bullet drop that is effectivly like having non

[fair rover]

Do i expect them to drop it when almost everyone hates it? Yeah thats what every decent game dev would do if they tried to add something then got heavily bad feedback on it

[thin remnant]

Then there's no point adding it lmao

[flat sandal]

just saying, that is why I wrote "possible"

[thin remnant]

Just. use. the. test. servers. devs. please

[fair rover]

Exactly, glad someone here is using their brain

[proud palm]

does anyone experiencing high in asia even im in asia? please help kinda new to the game im thinking of refunding it if it has large factor

[thin remnant]

But it's not helping your case, is it? Because even in that situation, bullet drop is a bad change that is unneeded.

[thin remnant]

high ping?

[flat sandal]

obvioulsy there is controversy but that doesn't mean the majority dislikes it

[proud palm]

Yeah im from PH in some other games my ping is good but in hunt high ping

[thin remnant]

Also there's no "possible" in the message i replied to
[yes, nerd emoji me, i know. There, I did it myself.]

[flat sandal]

there is though

[fair rover]

... all you have to do is look at all the feedback to see the majority dislikes it, hell even look at hunt youtubers most of them that posted about it dont seem happy about it and they probably have tons more hours then any of us ever would

[thin remnant]

"no many depending how subtle it is, you can have bullet drop that is effectivly like having non"
technically no "possible". That word is no where to be seen ☝️ 🤓

[flat sandal]

that isnt what you replied to

[thin remnant]

🤨

Scroll up

if it says something else ig discord is broken

[fair rover]

Anyways though, bullet drop being suddenly added to a 6 year old game when nobody asked for it is a bad idea, end of story lol

[thin remnant]

I am strongly in the position of using the test servers to see if it's any good and I'll never change my mind lol

[fair rover]

Why do we waste all this time giving them feedback and filling out the little after even forms for them not to listen to us

[thin remnant]

They do listen

[flat sandal]

you scroll up^^ it's what iot started with

[thin remnant]

it just takes them 6 months sometimes

which is better than nothing

[fair rover]

If they listened none of this would of happened to begin with

[thin remnant]

oh, you shouldve replied to the message you were referring to then haha

the one you replied to was one where i replied to you and the one of you that i replied to didn't contain "possible"
🧠

[flat sandal]

well it's a series of replies

doesnt matter

[fair rover]

Look at the last updates, posion nerfs, krag being heavily buffed, uppercut is getting the heavist nerf ever, infinite headshot range, bullet drop.. ive never seen anyone suggest any of that

[flat sandal]

train of thought you know^^

[thin remnant]

lol

i've seen like one person suggest bullet drop and thats it

[fair rover]

One person suggested it out of how many players? Lol

[thin remnant]

i dont know why they're so against just using the test server that they made ;-;

[fair rover]

Id like to see it tested as well but i dont think they can until the new engine

[flat sandal]

you really like them test servers^^

[thin remnant]

yes i do

i wish the devs did too.

[flat sandal]

I'd be nice though I'll admit

[fair rover]

I mean its a test server its ment to test stuff like this

Kinda the whole point

[thin remnant]

if they add bullet drop and its bad [which i think most likely it will be] im probably gonna quit hunt until i hear news that they removed it

[fair rover]

Again though i dont think they can show it without the new engine, but if they can they should asap

[flat sandal]

yeah, devs werent really vibing with the community in the time I was part of it. At least they seem to try to change that

[fair rover]

Same with me as like most of everyone else, that plus old gen getting kicked off will probably just end hunt tbh

[flat sandal]

true

[flat sandal]

it may as well totally explode. It's going to be a wild ride regardless

[thin remnant]

JUST AVOID ALL OF THIS AND USE THE TEST SERVERS!!!

https://tenor.com/vWPLx6JQo3u.gif

[flat sandal]

lol

[thin remnant]

maybe

[flat sandal]

now they have to

[fair rover]

Hate to see a game die in such a stupid way like this but like its quite easy to avoid if they still continue to work on bullet drop thats on them

[thin remnant]

maybe if every day i shout in here to use the test servers

maybe i'll increase the chance of them using them by like 0.00001%

and MAYBE

maybe thatll be enough

https://tenor.com/b0H2q.gif

[fair rover]

I dont think bullet drop is even fully coded to begin with

[thin remnant]

yeah but when it is

[fair rover]

If it was i feel like they would of shown it off

[thin remnant]

dont release it straight up

put it on the test servers

[flat sandal]

it was supposedly test played

[thin remnant]

yeah, by crytek lol

not by the actual community

[flat sandal]

yeah but it's probably ready to go more or less

[thin remnant]

will be* supposedly test played. or maybe its done already idk

[fair rover]

By who? The devs aka the only people to think this is a good idea? Them testing it means nothing

[thin remnant]

^

[flat sandal]

yeeeees, just saying it is probably ready

[fair rover]

Thats like if i tried to sell you some magical potion that cures everything and i claim it works because i tested it, that sound believable? Lol

[flat sandal]

if you rely on me coming back to you after then yes

at least I'd think that you truely believe in it

[fair rover]

They dont rely on it crytek owns other games lol, and still your missing the point

[flat sandal]

dont think I am

[fair rover]

Point is the creator being the only one to test something is worthless

[flat sandal]

well it just isnt

[fair rover]

You need actual people to test it

[thin remnant]

i wouldnt say worthless.

but its far less valuable than getting outside feedback

[flat sandal]

it would be preferable but here could be compelling reasons not to do it

so you think they should not even have bothered testing it themselves?

[thin remnant]

no, thats not what anyone said lol

[flat sandal]

well if it's worthless

lol

[fair rover]

...idk how hard it is to get the point but hard enough for you not to get it i guess

[thin remnant]

I think that was an exaggeration, but idk. I'm not Joseph.

I disagree about it being worthless

[fair rover]

It is

Obviously..

[thin remnant]

Let us stay civil my friend

🧘‍♂️

[flat sandal]

dude you are totally over the top with your points. I am trying to help you get away from the exptremes. never a good place to be

[fair rover]

Hard to stay civil over here when this dude doesnt get something after i explain it multiple times

[thin remnant]

[Just use the test servers, ooooh~] 👻

[flat sandal]

okay bro. cya

[thin remnant]

👋

[fair rover]

👋

[thin remnant]

do u agree they should just use the test servers

[fair rover]

Again, i dont think they can test bullet drop until the new engine

But if they can then obviously add it to test servers with everyone complaining out bullet drop they have to atleast show it to us