latest-update-discussion

[flat phoenix]

Amazing trailer

Everything looks great except for that gaitling gun...

[round sable]

why does the event have to be in the exam period :(

[cursive crow]

Is it a guy or a girl? what do you guys think

[novel wyvern]

Gaitling gun... please no

[cunning ferry]

The maxim gun appears to come with incend ammo, cannot be resupplied or recovered in your arsenal, and slows you down.

[burnt dagger]

fire ammo in maxim for reasons untold

[kind basalt]

Girl

[cunning ferry]

Very hot lead.

[half crown]

this

[cosmic coyote]

Balance

[kind basalt]

Now long ammo bleed, that would be horrible

[half crown]

Because if it didn’t have incendiary it would be the best spam weapon in the game just spray a wall

[cosmic coyote]

What

[burnt dagger]

yeah i can see it to be not pickable on 6* due to being a slow walking dummy

[harsh glade]

Lore maybe? Seeing as the 26th was planning to gun down ai mobs

[cunning ferry]

It wouldn't have any pen ability.

[harsh glade]

That’s actually very smart

[cunning ferry]

So you won't get downed while sneaking behind cover.

[burnt dagger]

he-he yeah

[cosmic coyote]

I know my what was about bleed ammo

[cunning ferry]

Ah shoot.

🐈‍⬛

[eager moat]

What's up with that new long ammo weapon? it's literally a worst Martini Henry, whats the point of that

[half crown]

Is there a nitro challenge? I’ve seen (actually heard) like 3 nitros in my past 4 games

[cunning ferry]

We'll see when we get it atm. Maybe it'll be its own thing, or it'll just be like the Mosin Match.

[eager moat]

A new single‑shot long ammo rifle arrives for Hunters who prize precision and power. It deals 139 damage with a muzzle velocity of 380 m/s, carries 1/18 rounds, and is compatible with the “Fast Fingers" Trait. Custom Ammo types include FMJ and High Velocity.

Martini Henri with 2 less ammo and worst stats

[burnt dagger]

imagine maxim would get All Ears treatment I can see that

[half crown]

Why tho?

Seems weird

[cunning ferry]

But we don't know how it handles, how is the iron, how fast it'll go, its price...

And we don't know about its potential variants either.

[edgy trellis]

The Martini-Henry Match

[half crown]

Could it not have been medium or light?

[eager moat]

Lol yes, actually useless

Cuz martini henri wasn't bad enough

[half crown]

Make it light ammo and you carry like 50 reserve ammo

[edgy trellis]

Naw, there is no way this ain't gonna do anything better than have faster cycle with FF.
But the henry is already fast enough that it ain't gonna be worth the MV, Drop range and damage loss.

[half crown]

Then it’s just funny

[cosmic coyote]

They also announced significant changes. Hope for some nice stuff!

[edgy trellis]

Just don't see how siginifcant changes can make this new rifle relevant without basically make the henry hyper useless then.

Again, the Henry was already needing a cost nerf.
But if this thing gonna be relevant that is gonna be cheaper

And not giving the Henry that

[flat phoenix]

That's the catch 22 of adding new weapons.

[edgy trellis]

That is why I rarely want new weapons and just a major balance patch to the old ones

[flat phoenix]

Sometimes I wonder how, despite similar ideas like a gaitling gun tanking in Ideas/Suggestions... Crytek commits to trying to make it work...

I'm not gonna hate before I play it and see, but I am healthly apprehensive.

[edgy trellis]

I just don't play Hunt for those kind of things

That is more core issue with it

[torpid spindle]

I wonder what the 1890 Cavalry Rifle is based off of 🤔 single shot military rifles were out of favor by 1890, the usual suspects that would fit like the Murata Type 13 or the Fusil Gras 1874 were made much earlier

[grizzled vessel]

i wonder if its based on the Austrian Hungary Mannlicher model 1890 carbine

i'm curious about the statement: ''Deep within the massive redoubt lies a rotting, caged Boss Target, a mystery to solve for those who breach the Compound.''

[edgy trellis]

Pretty sure that is just lore reason to have a boss ready to banish inside so they can use the new compound for bounty class too

[wraith sparrow]

do we have any other stats for the cavalry gun?

would like to see maybe reload speed

[edgy trellis]

It is a single shot rifle, best guess is equal to the springfield

Only way it can stay relevant

[wraith sparrow]

wouldnt you best compare it to martini?

[whole scaffold]

As it is now it is objectively just a worse martini lmao

[wraith sparrow]

yea, im waiting on the reload speed before making that judgement

but seems that way right now

[edgy trellis]

I mean, it is objectivily worse than the martini in every way, so I hope it at least gets faster reload

And honestly

[wraith sparrow]

springfield also has bleed which is god tier

[edgy trellis]

That ain't gonna make up for it

Yeah

this gun just seems like trash

something for poor hunters

[wraith sparrow]

new weapons dont seem to have many variants

but i was hoping maybe we can have a variant or two that is unique to this weapon as opposed to the other single shot rifles

[edgy trellis]

People have been burned out on variants and whatnot

[whole scaffold]

Well what can you even give this damn thing anyway

Anything that sounds like a decent idea the martini / sparks already has it

Unless it has a 2 slot variant

Which might be interesting

But even then the spark pistol is like, right fucking there

[edgy trellis]

Honestly it being a "poor mans weapons" also just doesn't work

Bc like go into a match and you'll get makos and berthys with spitzer all over the place

[wraith sparrow]

a mace variant i guess

but yeah, maybe it has the best cycle/reload or something

(that begs the question if bringing a single shot with fast reload matters that much but you know)

[torpid spindle]

Sure but you gotta survive until you get something like that, especially if you're in a team and don't have the luxury to rat around.
I think there's a missing factor to the 1890's addition, either they're going to rebalance the Martini to really give each of them their own strengths as sub-Sparks single shots, or they're open to buffing the rifle soon after it gets added. Even if it's unimpressive now, it's a new piece on the board to fiddle with and have a niche for itself. Maybe it's just the fastest fast-fingers in the west, the way the Terminus is a shitty shotgun until you put levering on it.

[wraith sparrow]

Yuh I suppose so

[whole scaffold]

You know had they given it spitzer it might've been interesting

But no, it gets HV because fuck you ig

[wraith sparrow]

If you give it spitzer it might be really crap though

since it will still not one shot 1 small chunk missing targets

and you just have a really slow rifle as opposed to any other spitzer

anyways, im always happy to see new weapons

just always want them to have some sort of place ofc

[edgy trellis]

Dunno man, don't need a buffed henry martini, I think it was fine as the "worst long ammo rifle" in the game.
It just needed a 20-30HD reduction in price to reflect it.
They are both single shot cavalry/carbine variants long ammo rifles, so it feels weird to design and produce a whole rifle like this.

[whole scaffold]

Well it is a single shot, meaning it should be capable of running 2 ammo types

[edgy trellis]

That I don't mind bc I don't think spitzer should be a thing lol

[rotund hemlock]

I think another long ammo rifle thats worse than the sparks or martini is just boring

[whole scaffold]

And I'd be inclined to agree

Still, having spitzer on a single shot would give it something different from the martini, and would actually give it competitive MV to play with

[rotund hemlock]

i'll use it because its new but thats it

[whole scaffold]

With 300 something MV, how much would HV make it? 450? 500?

[edgy trellis]

100%
Again, my only two wishes for the henry was a 20-30HD discount and brass shell buckshot custom ammo.
That would make it truely its own thing.

[nimble magnet]

You got a medium ammo weapon that is worse then Centennial and Vetterli

And it was fine

[edgy trellis]

HV is usualyl +100m/s for 3-slots

[rotund hemlock]

Brass buckshot?

[edgy trellis]

brass shell

[rotund hemlock]

What is that?

[edgy trellis]

It was buckshot shells you could put into martini henry

[wraith sparrow]

if you mean the 1865 carbine, its at least unique, has a cool unique reload and its damage is pretty good

[nimble magnet]

Well, gotta see the new one and see how It works, right?

[edgy trellis]

I mean

[wraith sparrow]

Yee that's why I asked for other stats

[edgy trellis]

It ain't not rocket science to assume how it works

[nimble magnet]

Either way, all 1865 got is the silly reload

Still bad vs Centennial and Vetterli

[frail dawn]

What is the new gun?

based on?

[rotund hemlock]

DUDE THATS SO FUCKIN COOL!

[edgy trellis]

Not really, the 1865 still have its damage going on for it.
It can do some nasty long range 2-taps compared to the other two.
Ofc with the downside of bad MV.
But still have its thing

This new rifle literally have no stat given that indicate it gonna be doing anything different than a henry

[torpid spindle]

Unknown but one potential candidate is the Springfield 1890 Trapdoor Carbine

[frail dawn]

cool

[nimble magnet]

The damage is barely meaningless, still worse than those 2 weapons

[edgy trellis]

It can still do something the other two cant

That you don't value that

That is fair

[nimble magnet]

I like the weapon, but come on

[edgy trellis]

But you cannot say it doesn't do something unique

I also don't rank it high

Far from meta

But still have that weird thing going on for it.

[nimble magnet]

Eeeh

It's fine

It gives an alternative and diversity

[edgy trellis]

Also it have more ammo than any of the other two.

[nimble magnet]

The new gun will do the same, I don't wanna run Martini? Run the other one

[edgy trellis]

My gripe with the new rifle is not that it long ammo rifle for the poor, but that it literally have nothing going on for except being bad.

[nimble magnet]

I wanna nerf myself? Run the new rifle

[icy kayak]

A fuckin' gatling gun... sigh...

[nimble magnet]

I like how it feels and look? Run the new rifle

[edgy trellis]

Again, dunno, rather have crytek adds meaningful additions to the game then

[prime sinew]

where?

[icy kayak]

In Hunt apparently.

[edgy trellis]

Also, as I've said before, Henry really needed some love, so don't see how this gun gonna help with that.

[prime sinew]

source?

[wraith sparrow]

dont get me wrong i dont care about balance that much

[icy kayak]

Trailer and event description.

[prime sinew]

no mention of gatling in anything

[edgy trellis]

Also not a gatlin gun btw

Maxim LMG

more like

[wraith sparrow]

i also tend to use weapons based on how good i am with them as a whole or based on their feel

[prime sinew]

looks the same to me

[nimble magnet]

Only found in raid, only Incendiary ammo, Wide spread, slows you down by 25%, overheating mechanic and cannot be resupply or extracted

[languid mango]

The maxim not having a heat shield was a smart way to visually justify the overheat mechanic

[wraith sparrow]

tbh im more excited for the maxim than the other weapon :D

[languid mango]

Well water cooling system. Whatever

[icy kayak]

I'm really trying hard to not hate it preemptively.

[wraith sparrow]

sounds like it'll be ridiculous and fun

[nimble magnet]

Sounds like a worse avto, so idk

[whole scaffold]

There is nothing about the maxim that makes it sound any better than a meme weapon you pick up for the luls ima be real

[icy kayak]

I'd rather see some weird occult weapon than a machine gun.

[nimble magnet]

It's a military event

So kinda makes sense is there

[whole scaffold]

^

[rotund hemlock]

this

[torpid spindle]

I never want to see magic guns in the game

[icy kayak]

Yeah, I know, I know. I'm just not into machine guns in my cowboy game and the fact that you can take them away anywhere. Because this game needed more spam... riiiight.

[torpid spindle]

The theming works well of regular dudes using industrial hardware against magic threats, even getting inventive with the bomb lance and flame rifle and all that still fits with human invention against eldritch chaos

[icy kayak]

Flame rifle is super-cool. Machine gun... welp, let's wait and see, maybe it's machine fun.

[lusty jungle]

This one looks INSANE I hope it is in battlepass

[whole scaffold]

It can't pen, you're slowed down while using it and it's strictly hip-fire only with unreplenishable ammo and also overheats

Like at that point you'd probably be better off putting down 1000$ and buy an avto

[icy kayak]

I preemptively dislike the jamming mechanics and the slowdown mechanics. Opens up doors I'd rather have closed.

[nimble magnet]

So you rather the gun not having those cons?

[icy kayak]

Nah, I don't like the gun AND those mechanics separately.

Neither should be added. 🙂

[torpid spindle]

They've been allowing themselves to get weird with scarce weapons, like the spinning of the shredder or pressure of the flame rifle. This seems like a continuation of that idea, the bigger downsides come with the out-there weapons

[nimble magnet]

Idk, the weapon looks cool and add new balancing ways

Idk how that's bad

[torpid spindle]

I don't think they'd ever put jamming or overheating on a buyable gun

[nimble magnet]

Prob not

But cool for new strong scarce/world spawn weapons

[whole scaffold]

^

[edgy trellis]

Just rather not having that gun period lol

[whole scaffold]

I actually kinda like the idea of an in-world specific weapon

[edgy trellis]

Hunt is not the game I want to go to for LMGs

[nimble magnet]

It seems balanced enough I don't care

And the weapon looks cool

The whole theme is

[torpid spindle]

😂 imagine plodding your way to the boss lair with the Maxim just to absolutely shred the boss

I think it'll be fun for that, wasting the ammo in PvE and dropping it somewhere annoying so other players won't get a chance to have it

[nimble magnet]

Pretty much

[brazen dome]

@drifting vector homebro. i told you it would be cool if a maxim machine gun would be added (personally i would have done a gatlin version. but whatever)

[dreamy rapids]

like the avtomat isn't disgusting enough already.......

[edgy trellis]

At least this thing cannot be ADS

[drifting vector]

Are you excited

[half crown]

I am excited for maxim but I’m probably only going to touch it once or twice

[blissful quartz]

World War Hunt showdown seems interesting

[icy kayak]

I'm not saying it's going to be bad, let's wait and see. Out of all the suggestions, a machine gun. Sigh.

[blissful quartz]

I assume the new compound thing is gonna be a military camp with trenches probably

[brazen dome]

YES

[half crown]

What changes do you like to the game

[dreamy rapids]

Actually this excites me the most

is it gonna be scarce or can you buy it?

[brazen dome]

i dont understand why i would pick that one over the springfield/sparps/martini

[edgy trellis]

That have happened before or?

[edgy trellis]

I mean it is literally just worse than a martini henry in every way

[nimble magnet]

regular weapon pretty sure

[blissful quartz]

I think a battlefield gamemode with a hunt showdown spin on it could be interesting, like two large teams fight in a map with grunts and what not

[nimble magnet]

personal preference

[dreamy rapids]

yeah that

im excited to see new guns

[dreamy rapids]

that's like asking why would anyone use a cadwell pax over the scottfield

[half crown]

Yes

Within the last two years

[dreamy rapids]

the scottfield is free and technically better since it has the fast loading thing

but people still paly cadwell pax

cause of preference

[silver meteor]

This new event looks baller af

So many delicious US army skins

my heart is satiated

[edgy trellis]

Basically Garden of the Witch, Judgement of the Fool and Circus 2 was good events, with some good (and some questionable) changes :)

Tarot cards and compounds

bile weavers

bears

[dreamy rapids]

yeah that

im missing that

[edgy trellis]

and compound remixes

[half crown]

I loved the compound remixes

[dreamy rapids]

i wanna buy the reckoning son and Sgt. bridgewater cause i like the us army skins

[half crown]

I thought we were gonna get them back with Bileweavers but no

[silver meteor]

Did anyone spot the new single shot gun in the trailer?

[edgy trellis]

Just don't play Hunt got LMG gameplays

So I don't care for the maxim gun

Don't think it gonna be broken

Just a non-addition to me

[silver meteor]

Can't hoard them neither which is a good choice

[dreamy rapids]

Ok so now i read that the jamming is in case it overheats

it isn't random

[half crown]

Based on text though it seems like it’s more likely to jam when hot not simply just a mechanic to work around

[edgy trellis]

And 25% slow down, so you not gonna see people dragging them around lol

[silver meteor]

That's completely fine tbh

I am no mood to see people just playing the game normally with something like this. A gun like this should force a very unorthodox playstyle.

[edgy trellis]

Tbh I just think it is a hard limit, like a reverse version of the pump mechanic for the flame rifle.
You over heat and its jams at a set point.

[edgy trellis]

Do love the wisdom to make it flammo

[half crown]

Yes

[edgy trellis]

So we don't get people wallspam 50 bullets

[half crown]

It will look cool too with all the tracers

[edgy trellis]

On a night map

[silver meteor]

What could the 1890 cavalry rifle be

it's a single shot but what weapon is it based on historically

[half crown]

a cheap ass long ammo gun

[silver meteor]

Has anyone spotted it in the trailer?

[dreamy rapids]

Also is fun to me like, so the US army just didn't know about what was going on on lousiana and colorado until the two scouts went missing?

[prime sinew]

another springfield trapdoor, a remington rolling block or a winchester 1885 are my guesses

[dreamy rapids]

I tought it was a world known thing since so many people from all over the world come to hunt

[prime sinew]

judging by the fact they didnt get any support, i'm guessing the high brass knows, but are covering it up

[silver meteor]

Im going to guess it's a rolling block

[wind zenith]

I think it's more of a thing where you have to be in the right kind of underground circles to hear about it

If that makes sense

[edgy trellis]

They did

[half crown]

wtf is this

[edgy trellis]

A skin for a gun

[half crown]

is this just an uppercuts skin

[silver meteor]

A skin for the converion pistol

[dreamy rapids]

looks more like a trueshot to me

[torpid spindle]

Trueshot has a cylindrical barrel rather than the hexagon of the conversion/uppercut

[silver meteor]

It's a conversion pistol, look at the barrel

and the cylinder isn't big enough to match the uppercut

[dreamy rapids]

oh well

i already have a prefered conversion skin

onyx iron

[torpid spindle]

I wonder if the Ned Kelly DLC will come with a single shot rifle named Betty

[silver meteor]

I wouldn't be surprised if he comes with a skin for the new gun

[dreamy rapids]

This looks like a nice rifle

it says 1890 tough

maybe we should search for single shot rifles from that year?

[silver meteor]

It's most likely a rolling block

This is my guess

[dreamy rapids]

oh that's the read dead 2 sniper

yeh it could be that

[silver meteor]

Was used pretty extensively by the US army till the 1st world war

so it makes sense

[edgy trellis]

Too long

We know it is cavalry model

[silver meteor]

Ah shit yeah

[silver meteor]

Then it's probably this one

Although they do have a carbine version of it

It just makes more sense to me from a variety standpoint as we don't have a rolling block rifle

[edgy trellis]

I mean, this is literally a strictly worse Martini-Henry, so not like this addition is going for variety to begin with lmao.

[silver meteor]

Gameplay wise yeah, i meant more the action

it's fluff, i know, but i don't have anything else to say in it's favor

[plush plaza]

Devil card + maxim 1895

new meta

[silver meteor]

Addition of all time

[cunning ferry]

"The Devil card doesn't work with the maxim gun"

That could be the case, given the card doesn't work with shotguns (does it work with Shredder and FR tho ?)

[silver meteor]

It works with the nitro, yes

[cunning ferry]

Nitro isn’t a shotgun.

[silver meteor]

Oh wait you meant shredder as in the weapon

[edgy trellis]

Eh, if you wanna pick a devil card and run in and find a 50 bullets, no refill gun for 1 round, I'd say it is fine.

[silver meteor]

It does not

[cunning ferry]

Alr

[ember meteor]

New boss target eh?

[nimble magnet]

Nothing about that was mentioned, but who knows if they want to surprise us.

[edgy trellis]

We are getting Butcher 2

[edgy trellis]

Most likely just a boss inside the new compound, so it can be used for bounty clash too

[ember meteor]

Does that mean just a trapped boss target or a boss target called the Caged lol

[nimble magnet]

In the trailer it was just assassin

[ember meteor]

Damn…

[hard prawn]

It might be a sidegrade to the Martini if FMJ doesn't reduce its muzzle velocity a lot (we already have the weird case of Pax Trueshot where it loses like... 5 m/s?). Or if it has an even faster reload time, which would be weird as hell given the already fast Martini reload, but still something it might do better.

I kinda doubt the devs saw the stats on that thing and didn't see any issue. Unless they plan to balance it by its cost, which wouldn't exactly make a lot of sense unless an economy overhaul is in the works.

[edgy trellis]

FMJ ain't really worth it on long ammo, so even if its ends up losing less MV and have more MV than long ammo, it wouldn't be worth it.
I assume it is more meant to be a side-grade to Springy, with same reload speed, better damage, but worse MV.
Which I don't mind too much, issue is just that Henry is already the worst long ammo rifle in the game overshadowed by the Sparks, so I just feel like this is diluting the Henry, when we could just have made the Henry like 20-40HD cheaper.

[hard prawn]

If it lost like 10 m/s, I'd consider picking FMJ still. I mean, you don't gain as much as compact and medium ammo do, but it still is + 10m until damage drop-off (and I think you can penetrate two metal sheets or so? Not that it matter 99% of the time). 50m is still within the "usable" territory with 370 m/s imo, but I love the 1865 Carbine, so perhaps I'm just used to my bullets taking a working week to be delivered.

That being said, I'm kinda playing the devil's advocate here. I also think its viability looks iffy.

[edgy trellis]

Just feel like another long ammo gun was what we needed the least.

[hard prawn]

Yeah, agreed on that one.

[edgy trellis]

But guess it is not another bolt action one lol

[deep pebble]

saw the new Road to Hell trailer

too embarassed to tell any other adult I ever liked this game now, since this is what they'll see if they look it up lol

[cosmic coyote]

huh

[torpid spindle]

Cool guys killing monsters?