@fallen dew sorry for getting you back now, could please help and check with me if my instllation and the other thing i showed you the other day work?
#Installation VM
junior cargo
because i just started my HA again and it took 9 min of the docker application to start
and its still booting in slot B
also it just said "Home asssitant CLI not starting! jump into emergency console..."
i restarted and just got: "Error returned from Supervisor: System is not ready with state: setup"
junior cargo
so looks like manually choosing Slot A works, but still, many errors appears when booting up even though it works now
fallen dew
There's so many conversations across all my server I can't possibly remember every one of them. I gotta know the context. You write too many messages for me to find it. What errors?
junior cargo
There's so many conversations across all my server I can't possibly remember eve...
i am very sleepy do you mind doing it tomorrow or anothre day?
fallen dew
No that's fine.
junior cargo
also i am having a problem with Zigbee2MQTT, it says its on but every time i got to the tab/page it says " do you want to start it?"
The add-on seems to not be ready, it might still be starting. Do you want to try again?
fallen dew
Check the logs.
fallen dew
Seems like your adapter is missing.
junior cargo
adapter? my zigbee stick?
junior cargo
if i go to HA hardware page and search for the zigbee dongle i do not see it in there
i am not sure what i need to do though, i have it enabled it on the Virtual Machine, so it should technically see it
fallen dew
What VM software do you use?
junior cargo
What VM software do you use?
virtual box
on a mac mini
i am pretty sure it sees it, cuz i am able to add it again
fallen dew
Try to power off the VM then and start it again. Also share a picture of the VM's options.
junior cargo
Try to power off the VM then and start it again. Also share a picture of the VM'...
alr, i just turned it back one, do you want to see a pic of the usb port or what page?
fallen dew
Yes. USB settings.
junior cargo
bruh i lost my phone one sec
fallen dew
Why would you need your phone for a screenshot?
junior cargo
cuz i cant take a screenshot on my old mac mini
its aready a miracle if it loads HA ahaha
ok so
fallen dew
It says invalid settings detected.
junior cargo
after the restart its working
fallen dew
Yay.
junior cargo
It says invalid settings detected.
oh thats because i have put too much memory
i have put like 7 of 8
and it says it might stop the OS to work
fallen dew
2 is enough.
fallen dew
Minecraft on HAOS? Kinda stupid in my opinion.
fallen dew
You can limit it its memory.
fallen dew
It will use all of it over time due to cache. Leave at least 2G to the OS.
junior cargo
yeah but if i do then it will work badly the server
it already says limit reached or something in the minecraft logs
anyway thats fine, ill see about that after
do you mind checking with me, why that timed and failed thing happens when booting up?
i dont see the text anymore, but it was about something maybe with like “agent” or systemcl”
junior cargo
mhh
fallen dew
You can run login and then systemctl --failed on the VM.
junior cargo
right now?
fallen dew
Yes.
fallen dew
Probably network related.
junior cargo
fallen dew
What does journalctl -ru systemd-time-wait-sync.service say?
How is the VM's networking configured?
junior cargo
How is the VM's networking configured?
ethernet one sec
fallen dew
I want to see the VM config for networking.
junior cargo
yeah
junior cargo
How is the VM's networking configured?
can you tell me also if i set up adguard home correctly? cuz maybe its that
fallen dew
Perhaps. See this: https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/issues/896
junior cargo
fallen dew
Just check if something was blocked for the VM's ip.
junior cargo
this is how i set it up on the router, idk if its correct
every time HA is off wifi will not work as the ip its connected to HA
fallen dew
Oh that explains some things.
junior cargo
damn
fallen dew
HAOS cannot resolve shit during boot.
fallen dew
Do not run important services in HAOS.
Perhaps put it and minecraft in another VM?
Or run it on a separate device.
fallen dew
Yes.
junior cargo
how do i do that?
i followed the adguard home instractions: Configure your devices To start using AdGuard Home, you need to configure your devices to use it. AdGuard Home DNS server is listening on the following addresses: 192.168.1.165 172.30.32.1 127.0.0.1 ::1
fallen dew
Just create a debian VM, then follow their docs.
fallen dew
Yes. It's what you have.
junior cargo
what does debian mean?
fallen dew
Debian is an operating system.
junior cargo
ok so let me understand this, the problem is that my wifi is connected directly to my HAOS, which means HA cannot load and boot because its not connected to the wifi yet
am i right?
fallen dew
No. HAOS cannot resolve things at boot because the resolver which is a addon on HAOS is not started yet.
junior cargo
and to have it started it needs wifi?
fallen dew
No.
junior cargo
fallen dew
That has no relation.
junior cargo
ok then i dont understand what adguard does with all this
fallen dew
I'm not sure how to explain it simpler. You might want to read up on the basics of how DNS works.
Basically HAOS depends upon itself to make google.com into a ip. The service which provides that function is not active during boot.
junior cargo
so what i need to do is, have this server already started before i start HAOS?
junior cargo
thats about debian?
fallen dew
A very simple way would be to let HAOS itself use another DNS server, not adguard.
junior cargo
but i am confused in one thing, how would i need to set my adguard home in my router then, how other people do it? did i do anything wrong?
fallen dew
But this doesn't need to be answered solely by me. Maybe we can close the thread and you ask in the open channels.
junior cargo
A very simple way would be to let HAOS itself use another DNS server, not adguar...
but if i do that, then adguard will not work right?
fallen dew
Yes it will.
junior cargo
but then the question is, did i set it up wrongly then?
fallen dew
Like I said, read a bit about DNS and DHCP. I'm mobile and explaining all this is too hard right now.
junior cargo
ok but
so everyone that uses adguard home on their router they also have a different VM for adguard?
fallen dew
No. Like I said the simplest way is that HAOS uses 1.1.1.1 or something and the rest use adguard.
Just depends how you set up your networking stuff. In my case adguard queries my router. Other let the router query adguard.
junior cargo
OH
so you would want HA to use the normal IP and then everything else will use adguard home once HA started
fallen dew
But if you don't know the basics of DHCP and DNS nothing will ring a bell and I don't want to explain those basics to you. Or anyone.
Yep.
You might have to give HAOS a static ip to be able to set a fixed DNS server for it to use. It s a good idea anyways if you run a DNS server on it.
junior cargo
one more thing though if its not a stupid question, why would i need another VM, i still dont get it
junior cargo
i see, but how would you run adguard home from HA on a different VM
fallen dew
HA has nothing to do with adguard.
fallen dew
It just happens that it has an addon for it. Adguard can run outside of HA.
junior cargo
ok, but then why is it an addon if i cant use it?
fallen dew
I didn't say you can't use it.
junior cargo
i am still confused on why all this wont work if i followed the setup guide
fallen dew
Some addons are just a stupid idea.
fallen dew
No.
junior cargo
and how do other people use it without problems?
fallen dew
I'd recommend you ask them.
Look the reason I'm so snippy is because I want you to learn the basics of DHCP and DNS first.
If you want a real answer I'd need to have you run nslookup, show me your router and adguard configs. set a static ip and DNS and all that jazz which isn't feasible if you don't know the basics. I also can't do this right now due to being mobile and I get pinged all the time in a thread like this. Others can help you with this too. I think the thread served its purpose.
junior cargo
ok, so just to confirm, at the end the problem of all my booting and stuff its the wifi and adguard home?
fallen dew
I think it's related to your DNS basically being unreachable.
I don't know for sure though.
junior cargo
👍 ok, well i will check and see for adguard and see how it goes after, thank you
fallen dew
WiFi? I thought you use ethernet.
fallen dew
Maybe.
junior cargo
💀 damn
junior cargo
on the VM?
how do i stop from giving me the other stuff from the other code, i cant type
junior cargo
idk if this is important, but from when i got the new router and modem, the IPv6 it always been disabled, idk if need it?
junior cargo
fallen dew
Try this: #1194551982342545510 message
You also want to use a static ip for HAOS and 1.1.1.1 as DNS server.
You should reserve the ip in your router to avoid conflicts.
junior cargo
You also want to use a static ip for HAOS and `1.1.1.1` as DNS server.
so not 8.8.8.8?
for the command
fallen dew
Doesn't matter. You can also use 8.8.8.8.
fallen dew
Try servers then rather than server.
I usually test my commands but I'm not at my PC.
junior cargo
says “command completed successfully”
fallen dew
Now just follow the rest. You can change the ip and DNS in the GUI under network. I might be slower to respond now.
junior cargo
its ok, i think i will do it later, i need to go to work soon anyway
as the rest you mean, with what? with the other VM or what you said about
fallen dew
This rest: #1194551982342545510 message
Forget about the second VM for now. You're not ready yet 😄
junior cargo
😂
junior cargo
This rest: https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1194551982342545510/1...
you mean not the code, but like what they talked about in general in all that thread?
fallen dew
No, I meant my message.
Click it again and see what it highlights.
Uh. I made an oopsie.
junior cargo
it highlights the thinkerer message with the code
fallen dew
Yeah I see. Sorry. I mean this: #1239740630847197274 message
junior cargo
oh you meant your other message
ok sounds good
the good question is what is what i had earlier, i forgot what it was earlier 💀💀💀
but i will try thank you
what should i put this as? https://ibb.co/BBztWR5
leave it default as it is?
fallen dew
Leave as is but change the DNS.
junior cargo
also for chaning the DNS server to 1.1.1.1 where should i do that in the network interface? https://ibb.co/Pwz6KS5
i am pretty sure when i did the adguard home thingy i did it on the IPv4 address distribution
fallen dew
No you change the DNS in HAOS.
I'd also like to see your router's DHCP and DNS sertings.
junior cargo
oh still in this page https://ibb.co/BBztWR5 ?
fallen dew
Yes.
fallen dew
Yes.
What you linked looks more like the DHCP reservations. Not sure why it says DNS.
junior cargo
no clue, very confusing, one sec
you want dynamic DNS?
welp theres nothing in the dynamic DNS page... https://ibb.co/DtFfpX6
thisi is IPv4 instead https://ibb.co/wMN1vKz
fallen dew
Hmm. You can set which DNS ip the DHCP clients get. You want to set that to the HAOS ip.
The router itself should use 1.1.1.1 as well.
junior cargo
ok the “dynamic dns” tab?
junior cargo
fallen dew
Did you enable DHCP in adguard?
And before you ask, no you should probably not.
My guess is service in that picture is what you want to change tomthe adguard ipl
junior cargo
Did you enable DHCP in adguard?
probably not
i never changed settings in adguard home i am pretty sure
ohhh
here? https://ibb.co/Gkqb9mM
in service i can only choose between "disabled" and or "DHCP server"
do you want me to change the "start ip" to 1.1.1.1?
junior cargo
https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1239740630847197274/123993991264...
so put it to disabled?
junior cargo
This picture. Change service to the HAOS ip: https://ibb.co/wMN1vKz
ok so
its in the "start of the ip"
ok so this is what i see
then when i click "edit" this is what i see =
do you want me to add a connection here?https://ibb.co/JFR8vJM
fallen dew
That last part is the reservation for HAOS I talked about.
There has to be a place where you can define which DNS server the DHCP client get sent.
fallen dew
So basically you cannot automatically hand out your adguard to your clients.
junior cargo
he says this though: Now, you might ask, why not just change the router in the broadband ethernet settigns so it uses 1.1.1.1? Well, I COULD
fallen dew
You should do that anyways.
junior cargo
to use 1.1.1.1?
fallen dew
The router itself.
junior cargo
he says this though: `Now, you might ask, why not just change the router in the ...
you mean to do this?
fallen dew
Yes as I explained earlier.
The router uses that, any client connected to the router will get your adguard handed out. Well that was the plan.
You really need to google some of this stuff.
junior cargo
ok but i am confused then, didnt we just say we cant do it?
fallen dew
Yes that's why I said it WAS the plan.
junior cargo
are you saying i need to make a dns and then with all devices i need to change it and put it which ever ill put for the router?
fallen dew
I'm not following.
junior cargo
Yes that's why I said it WAS the plan.
i know, but i dont get the part you say "you should do that anyways"
fallen dew
Do you know how DHCP works?
junior cargo
it gives ips to devices?
fallen dew
The anyways part was to kake the router use 1.1.1.1. not to hand ojt 1.1.1.1 to clients.
It also tells the clients which DNS server to use. That's the part which we want to change to adguard's ip.
The router itself uses 1.1.1.1 to resolve the requests.
Technically you don't have to change it bit it's good practice to not use your provider's DNS servers.
What you can do is to disable the router's DHCP server and use adguard's.
junior cargo
ok, is there a BUT about this?
fallen dew
This is somewhat advanced.
And you lose your existing leases.
If adguard goes down you have a problem, obviously.
junior cargo
If adguard goes down you have a problem, obviously.
so its basically what its already happening..
junior cargo
so my only option remains to turn off adguard?
fallen dew
There's lots of options but I do not want to recommend them to you.
The actual issue you ran into is already solved by setting a static ip and using 1.1.1.1 for DNS in HAOS btw.
junior cargo
so? what does that mean?
fallen dew
🤔
The issue you have right now is that your clients will not get the adguard DNS set via DHCP. HAOS is not the problem we try to solve right now. Remember the time sync?
junior cargo
oh that? you mean its fixed?
fallen dew
Maybe. Did you have adguard as DNS server set in your router previously?
junior cargo
ye i thtink so
fallen dew
Then yeah. You see, HAOS asked your router for the ip of the timeserver, your router asked adguard. Adguard was down.
junior cargo
i am trying to find where i set adguard home, i am not sure where i did it
fallen dew
In your case the only option is to let the router ask adguard again.
junior cargo
Then yeah. You see, HAOS asked your router for the ip of the timeserver, your ro...
yeah i understood all that part
fallen dew
But... Let HAOS itself not use the router/adguard but 1.1.1.1. Makes sense?
junior cargo
and i also understood that the fix would be that my computer that is using HA needs to connect to the router with a different DNS so it can start without problems
and then when HA is started all the other devices will use the adguard ip
this would have been the fix to the problems right?
fallen dew
Yeah. You already gave HAOS a static ip and 1.1.1.1 as ip formitself and the dns plugin.
HAOS should be fine.
fallen dew
Now you just have to tell your router to ise the adguard ip as its DNS.
fallen dew
Yeah but you clients ask the router and your router asks adguard.
fallen dew
You just have to take caution not to cause a loop or a dependency issue like with HAOS.
junior cargo
so now everything its working
junior cargo
You just have to take caution not to cause a loop or a dependency issue like wit...
that happens every time i boot up HA right?
fallen dew
Adguard should not ask the router for example.
junior cargo
which is doing it right now?
fallen dew
I don't know how you configured it.
I think it uses quad9 or so by default.
Go to work with nslookup.
junior cargo
in VM?
fallen dew
No.
junior cargo
where do i use that command?
junior cargo
on my terminal right here? ok
fallen dew
nslookup blockeddomainhere iphere.
As ip try your router, adguard/HAOS and 1.1.1.1.
I guess you know where this is going.
junior cargo
no its ok, but i am confused what code i need to use on the terminal now
is it like this? nslookup blockeddomainhere 1.1.1.1
fallen dew
What does it say?
junior cargo
junior cargo
fallen dew
Oh come on. Blockeddomain is supposed to be something that is blocked on your adguard.
fallen dew
Alright now try that domain with the others.
fallen dew
Other DNS servers.
junior cargo
so other devices?
fallen dew
Your router and adguard. Should result in the same.
junior cargo
ok ill try on another mac
fallen dew
No?
junior cargo
i am confused then ahah
junior cargo
oh so now its this?
To start using AdGuard Home, you need to configure your devices to use it. AdGuard Home DNS server is listening on the following addresses: 192.168.1.165
junior cargo
This is exhausting 😦
i am sorry🥲
fallen dew
Try that ip.
junior cargo
its all diferent
fallen dew
Show me.
junior cargo
fallen dew
I'm not joking. That's what it should return.
fallen dew
That's not so great.
Check the DNS settings in the router again.
It should be the adguard ip.
junior cargo
WAIT
THERE YOU
GO
thats where i setup adguard
thanks, now i rememeber where i put the ips and stuff
fallen dew
Now the clients will ask the router, the router will ask adguard, adguard will block and then ask 1.1.1.1 or whatever you set.
HAOS should not depend upon adguard since it is hosting it but you took care of that.
junior cargo
It should be the adguard ip.
btw yeah, the ipv4 was already adguard home ip
so yeah
fallen dew
Hmm.
fallen dew
Your router didn't respond to the DNS request.
Other than that all you have to do is give HAOS a static lease in the router as I explained earlier and see that adguard uses 1.1.1.1 as its reference.
junior cargo
a static lease as in a static ip?
fallen dew
Yeah but on the router side.
You don't want the router to give .165 to anything else.
junior cargo
ah mhh
ok, thats a good question on how to do it
i found this `"Static IPs per se cannot be configured other than on the device itself.
Static IP means that a device has an IP address without querying a DHCP server.
Unless you are looking for Static DHCP Lease Reservations, which are not static IPs ipso facto."`
is this by any chance connected to what we are doing?
fallen dew
You want to configure a static lease or reservation for the 165 ip in the router.
junior cargo
ok but i am not really sure how do i do that
fallen dew
You should figure out why your router doesn't respond to nslookup first.
Trial and error.
Or just do what I did. Google DHCP reservation verizon.
fallen dew
No.
You had it earlier and I even told you that.
I'm done with this topic for the day. My neck is killing me and I have stuff that needs my attention.
junior cargo
You had it earlier and I even told you that.
i opened so many pages, tabs and whatever, that i have no clue
wanna continue this later or tomorrow?
i cant really do much on my own, so please :)
fallen dew
I told you everything you need to know, just gotta google it. If you rely on me spoon feeding you everything this will not end well or in a timely manner.
junior cargo
ok but i would prefer someone help, as you know a lot more, and i dont want to mess it up again
look what happen after googling it stuff💀😂
fallen dew
I'd recommend you ask in one of the main channels. #zigbee-archived for example.
Channels are great to single out a single issue but we're beyond that. I'm gonna leave the thread but feel free to ping me if you specifically need an answer from me.
junior cargo
me and impact kinda found the problem, but i am not sure what i need to do at the end of what he said
junior cargo
https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1239740630847197274/123993696690...
here
so what my problem is, is that i run adguard home on HA, but every time i reboot my HA my wifi doesnt work, because it uses the adguard home ip, so when booting up HA i get some errors
@olive spire
so every time my HA is off, my wifi doesnt work for any devices
💀
olive spire
Well yeah, obvs... if you are using AdGuard for DNS resolution, and your clients are pointed to that, then they should default to a backup (if you have one), otherwise, they are just going to crap out.
Another reason to move HA (and addons) on to their own 24x7 machine.
junior cargo
"they should default to a backup" wht does that mean?
junior cargo
Another reason to move HA (and addons) on to their own 24x7 machine.
thats what impact suggest, but it was cool to have it on HA, i could see all stuff directly from HA app
olive spire
Your router config should allow you to specify 3 DNS nameservers (some allow for more, but usually not in consumer gear).
junior cargo
there was a problem in all this though, let me find it
olive spire
You're not understanding. If you move HA off your Mac and onto dedicated hardware. This wouldn't be an issue at all.
You'd still have your "cool" factor, but HA would be running 24x7 doing it's thing. Any addons would be doing the same thing. Then, you just point your DNS to that new machine and it doesn't matter if you shut down your Mac or not.
junior cargo
junior cargo
You're not understanding. If you move HA off your Mac and onto dedicated hardwar...
wait what? why
how
olive spire
And I'm guessing you are running into a problem with HA starting because it is looking for DNS resolution, but the AdGuard addon hasn't started yet. So, it errors out.
junior cargo
so lets say perphaps i have a rasberry pi right here right now, for free
should i switch to that?
😅
olive spire
Well, I would never recommend a rPi, but sure. That would work.
junior cargo
not sure what model is it though
junior cargo
Well, I would never recommend a rPi, but sure. That would work.
oh so mac is better than a raspberry?
olive spire
Personally I'd just go on eBay or Amazon and find a $100-$150 mini PC and use that.
junior cargo
i see but, cant afford it right now, unfortunately
olive spire
oh so mac is better than a raspberry?
Anything is better than a rPi. They are "good enough", but there are much better options for them.
Then go with the rPi. Is it at least a 3b+?
junior cargo
i see, well ill stick with the mac then for a bit
junior cargo
Then go with the rPi. Is it at least a 3b+?
i am not sure, i need to check
olive spire
Ok. As long as you don't shut it down, you'll be fine, I guess 🤷♂️
olive spire
I mean... the same way you are now?
junior cargo
so i would need to make a new virtual box machine?
olive spire
Personally, I'd ditch AdGuard until you have something more stable OR run AdGuard in a new VM.
Or under docker... or something outside of HA.
that's where your main problems are coming from.
junior cargo
ok so, just tell me what i should.
fix adguard? change VM? change device? etc
without spending a lot of money if possible zero😅
olive spire
I mean, that's up to you bud! I can give you suggestions on what I would do, but it's up to you to implement them.
Personally, I'd install docker and setup AdGuard there. That way you can still restart HA without the DNS problems.
olive spire
An entire VM for AdGuard is overkill, imho. You could, I just don't see a reason for it. Every VM consumes system resources differently than a docker container does.
junior cargo
An entire VM for AdGuard is overkill, imho. You *could*, I just don't see a reas...
no i meant it like, do what you said but without moving HA to VMware? or should i move HA and then also do the thingy for adguard?
olive spire
Yup. Here's what I would do:
- Get Fusion Player
- Install HAOS there in a VM.
- Remove the AdGuard Addon
- Install docker-desktop
- Install AdGuard in a docker container.
junior cargo
and i will still able to see adguard on HA?
olive spire
Yeah, you juust point the integration to your new AdGuard install.
olive spire
Actually, since it should be the same IP address, you might not have to do anything. I'm not sure.
junior cargo
100% sure i should do this? ill start making stuff
olive spire
Well, the way you're doing it now DOESN'T WORK. 😄
junior cargo
😂💀
its just buggy i guess
anyway ill create some backup for HA right now, so i have them
olive spire
But, I bet you that you will see less issues on a better hypervisor and getting your DNS sorted out.
junior cargo
But, I bet you that you will see less issues on a better hypervisor and getting ...
why isnt this VM suggest as first in the website then?
olive spire
Docs aren't always the latest and greatest and this is more opinion than anything else. I mean, you can go through the forums and look for all the issues raised with VirtualBox.
junior cargo
if my mac is slow to load stuff, for example to open apps, to turn on and etc
is it a problem for HA?
olive spire
No, it's a problem that you are running a hypervisor on your Mac Mini (and whatever else). While you can, that doesn't always mean you should.
Oh, wait... do you mean that if it would affect HA performance? Then, yes, it can.
junior cargo
ah
well, damn
cuz for example it took like 1 min to open safari app and then to open home assistant ui
😅
olive spire
Yeah, you're basically trying to use a desktop machine as a server and it's screaming at you to stop doing that 🙂
junior cargo
well it was already slow before, its really old now but yes
olive spire
Mac Mini 2012?
olive spire
Eh, just as bad. Have you updated the components in it? I have a 2012 that is DOG SLOW, but it runs Ubuntu just fine as a server.
junior cargo
no
didnt change anything to it
https://ibb.co/XWHhtzQ
i think update fucked up everything
💀
olive spire
Ugh... ok... well, there ya go. You're expecting a 10 year old machine to do stuff it's not really meant to do. The CPU is pretty much as basic as you can get, and you probably only have like 8GB ram in it. If even that much.
junior cargo
Ugh... ok... well, there ya go. You're expecting a 10 year old machine to do stu...
yeah 8 gb
olive spire
https://ibb.co/XWHhtzQ
i think update fucked up everything
Give it time. On your hardware, it could take up to 45 minutes to a couple of hours to complete.
junior cargo
damn wtf
olive spire
You're on pretty much underpowered, ancient hardware... lol plus, you've not swapped out any of the components, so I can only imagine how slow your HD is and how much work it's doing right now.
junior cargo
i might do a fresh install of the pc too at this point
at least i remove all the useless stuff
olive spire
Makes sense, I suppose? But seriously... you might need to spend some money on either the Mac Mini or get yourself a mini PC. You can get more RAM and a SSD for your Mac Mini fairly cheap.
junior cargo
but at this point i think its also cpu related
we used a lot this pc, i used to play minecraft on it and shit
its getting old
olive spire
Probably, but you can't really swap that out.
junior cargo
ye at that poin the solution is just a new pc, but i really dont have money right, i need to get a new phone first..
💀
even that has a slow cpu ahahha
olive spire
Yeah, I get it.
olive spire
lol oooorrrrrr get a second or third job 😉
junior cargo
they didnt even say thank you for all the automation we have, for example turning on or off all the lights at night, automatically so they dont have to click shit and they can just go to sleep.
😂😂😂
junior cargo
lol oooorrrrrr get a second or third job 😉
me, i cant work :/
so i need to relay on my parents money, which they dont want to use for this stuff...
💀
btw i just got a message: Home Assistant CLI has been terminated.
olive spire
Ahhhh... ok, yeah. That sucks... Just tell them you need a better computer to do stuff on. lol
junior cargo
bro just got killed
junior cargo
Ahhhh... ok, yeah. That sucks... Just tell them you need a better computer to do...
ahhaa and they will say, isnt that 900$ gaming pc you have already not enough
💀💀💀😂😂😂😂😂
my HA just restarted, and by having adguard home off, i got no errors on the boot up :/
olive spire
Interesting, I wonder if it fell back to your router for DNS?
olive spire
Ah, there ya go. So, one problem "solved".
junior cargo
well, if i am going to use adguard somewhere else yes
but yeah
is zigbee2m always slow to start up?
olive spire
Shouldn't be, but on your system, hard to say if it's normal/abnormal.
junior cargo
i see
compared to all other addons it takes more time
now its on and working..
ill download backup on my laptop and then ill fresh install the mac mini
why this Creating a backup is not possible right now because the system is in freeze state.
olive spire
Try restarting the VM. That usually occurs if a backup is already in progress or HA is under a lot of load.
olive spire
And that's from HAOS?
junior cargo
yes
olive spire
That's a problem with the virtual hard drive. Did you switch over to Fusion or are you still using VB?
junior cargo
still using vb
this come out when rebooting
also got error returned form supervisor: system is not ready with state: setup
this is so buggy
olive spire
Yup. Get off VB. Seriously. Try any other hypervisor.
junior cargo
i need to get the backup first... AHAH taking years lmao
how much does it take you to enter your dashbord from when you click on boot up ?
olive spire
10-30 seconds.
junior cargo
WHAT
olive spire
Sometimes less. BUT... I run Container on a pretty powerful machine.
olive spire
No addons or anything like that.
junior cargo
i see, but you have them on another thingy running?
olive spire
I have other containers on other servers, yeah.
olive spire
Eh, I've been in IT for a long time, so this is all second nature to me.
junior cargo
also normal to take a lot of time to do a backup?
olive spire
Again, on your hardware... probably.
junior cargo
Again, on your hardware... probably.
damn
the machine to run ha is on a windows?
like a windows pc thats what i mean
olive spire
My HA server? No. Linux.
junior cargo
i see
olive spire
(Debian 12 to be specific)
olive spire
lol soooo not the same 😉
junior cargo
i just got Unknown error, see supervisor logs
while trying to do a backup
:/
again, it happened again
would the core be the full backup? or just the main things?
should i just save that one and then use just that for restoring?
olive spire
That seems awfully small. Take a look at your /backups directory and see what's in there?
junior cargo
That seems awfully small. Take a look at your `/backups` directory and see what'...
thaats on like file editor in HA?
or do i need to go to my file explore
olive spire
Yeah, you can use the file editor I think.
junior cargo
Yeah, you can use the file editor I think.
wait though
cuz those backups are being stored to an external drive
this is where i save them
olive spire
Ok, then you're good. The backup should have been copied there.
junior cargo
@olive spire hey sorry, do you know by any chance how to download VMware?
the website changed from the video i sent, so i dont understand what i need to do
oh well i am fucked
how do you get it for windows or whatever else?
olive spire
Sorry… just saw this. Yeah, looks like you have to jump through hoops to download Fusion now. 😔
junior cargo
Sorry… just saw this. Yeah, looks like you have to jump through hoops to downloa...
through hoops?
so what should i do?
🥺
olive spire
Didn’t you say you had a rPi laying around?
junior cargo
i even reinstalled macos 💀
olive spire
That was before I knew how old your Mac is. lol
olive spire
Use the rPi. Even if it’s a 3b+ or whatever, still going to be better than running on your Mac at this point.
junior cargo
is it possible and does it make sense to use the rpi for ha and then addons on the mac?
cuz how can i run a lot of addons on the rpi it wont handle it
olive spire
Nope. But, one thing I saw was that you’re using the Plex addon. That would be better as a docker container.
Don’t run a lot of addons? You don’t have the hardware (yet) to do everything you want to do. Cold hard facts man… 😔
So, were it me, I’d put HAOS on the rPi with a few addons THAT YOU NEED. Things like Plex and stuff I’d run with docker on your Mac. Still going to be slow, but at least better and with fewer issues.
But, you’d be surprised how much a rPi can really handle. Even the 3b+ can do a lot better than trying to shoehorn everything onto the Mac.
junior cargo
ok ill check which rpi i have
junior cargo
But, you’d be surprised how much a rPi can really handle. Even the 3b+ can do a ...
is the 4 good enough?
olive spire
Yeah, the 4 is plenty for HAOS.
junior cargo
ok! good to know
junior cargo
Yeah, the 4 is plenty for HAOS.
how and what do i use to run ha?
olive spire
Download the rPi image and flash it to a SD Card using the raspberry imager. https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi
junior cargo
i never used a rpi before so give me a minute
olive spire
lol it’s just like any other computer really, but you don’t have to keep a keyboard and monitor connected to it. It’s a little server.
junior cargo
lol it’s just like any other computer really, but you don’t have to keep a keybo...
okok but what do you mean by download the rpi image and flash it
also looks like i already have a 16 gb sd card inside
it looks like its asking for a 32 gb or bigger
olive spire
You can start on a 16gb card, but yeah, 32gb is typically the minimum. You can get those pretty cheap.
junior cargo
i stole a 128 gb from my drone
olive spire
If you want to sacrifice that, that would be better 😊
junior cargo
yeah its ok
SD Card reader. This is already part of most laptops, but you can purchase a standalone USB adapter if you don’t have one. The brand doesn’t matter, just pick the cheapest.
whats this?
i dont think i need it right? cuz i can connect my SD card directly to the rpi
olive spire
No. You need it to connect to your Mac so you can run the imager.
Those are super cheap on Amazon.
junior cargo
so the download needs to be done on the mac first and then i can put the SD card in the rPi
junior cargo
ok already installed, plugging it into rPi
i think i connected everything, but idk how to show it on my monitor
😅
power, sd card, black cave for hdmi, keyboard and ethernet are connected
olive spire
You shouldn’t have to. Give it about 20 minutes or so and try to connect via the browser.
junior cargo
wait whut
oh so just like that
no inside configuration?
theres no way its that easy
olive spire
On a clean install, it should just work, install itself and then be available from the browser. You can connect a keyboard and monitor as you have and see more details, but you generally shouldn’t have to.
junior cargo
damn, on the website it does say preparing home assistant
olive spire
There ya go…
junior cargo
yes, but idk which is which ahha
junior cargo
OR you can start clean. Up to you.
all over again? no.. i cant sorry ahahah
olive spire
OMG. lol you’re a hot mess.
olive spire
Look at the latest created date on the files. Use the most recent.
olive spire
Now, here’s the nice thing. If it fails, you can just reimage the sd card again.
junior cargo
okok
olive spire
also it says 2030
lmao. HOT MESS!!!
junior cargo
anyway i am restoring a random one, lets see ahaha
its a small size backup, its not like Music assistant 100 mb
olive spire
lol good luck. At worst, you’ll have to recreate some automations and such. However, the nice thing is that if you still have the configuration files on your Mac, you can copy those over to the rPi using the Samba Share addon.
junior cargo
lol good luck. At worst, you’ll have to recreate some automations and such. Howe...
configuration files?
like backup or what?
config files arent saved in backups?
olive spire
No. In your VM on the Mac, all your HA files are still there in their current state.
They are, but since you don’t know how recent your backup is, they might not match your current ones.
junior cargo
No. In your VM on the Mac, all your HA files are still there in their current st...
bruh what are you talking about?? i did a fresh install yesterday, theres nothing in my mac anymore...
💀
olive spire
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh right right. Lol coffee is still kicking in!!!
olive spire
junior cargo
😂
olive spire
Now you just need to clean things up and you should have a MUCH better experience.
olive spire
Most of those will be fixed through reconfiguration of your integrations.
junior cargo
Most of those will be fixed through reconfiguration of your integrations.
what happens if i restore an older "core backup"
because now i need to add the addons backups and i am not sure which is which
even if its an older addon backup, what happens
olive spire
Whenever you restore a backup, HA resets to the state at the time of the backup.
olive spire
But, the addons should have been restored with the backup file already.
junior cargo
no
because it wasnt a full backup it was just the core backup
i wasnt able to do a full backup yesterday because i had problems..
olive spire
Oh ok. You have the individual addon backups tho?
junior cargo
i guess
maybe not for all of them
wait i might have done a big brain move one sec
I COOKED bro
olive spire
So, I think you can restore the individual addons from each backup (I don’t use HAOS, so not sure).
junior cargo
i connected the cloud storage that has all the backups
and i can see all of them again
olive spire
Ahhhh… perfect.
olive spire
Go for it. Like I said, worse comes to worse, you can always start over.
olive spire
Okie
olive spire
lol no problem. Happy to help.
At this point, you’re like a pet project of mine. Hahaha 😂
junior cargo
indeed
bro is running 2 HA now
need the ip too?
for the zigbee stick, do i just plug it in?
olive spire
Yup. Into one of the USB2 ports.
olive spire
need the ip too?
IP for what?
olive spire
lol ohhhhh you still have the VM on your Mac running?
olive spire
Hahahaha blame my old age.
junior cargo
😂
idk if its normal, but its taking a long time to restart after restoring the full backup
olive spire
That’s normal.
junior cargo
still no sign of life
olive spire
It has to restore all the files, db, configs, addons, containers, etc.
But, grab some coffee, eat a donut and let it do its thing. It can take up to 45 minutes, but can go longer as well.
junior cargo
the minecraft addon might taking all the time
ahaha, gotta unistall that
olive spire
lol or Plex. Plex is a big boy…
junior cargo
i see
I AM IN!
ok one sec
let me finish to watch F1
ok this are my addons, what should i keep on the rPi and what not etc
olive spire
Eh, I would just move Plex off. But, given you don’t have a lot of addons, it can probably stay there without too many issues.
You’re just not going to be transcoding 4k streams very smoothly. lol
junior cargo
Eh, I would just move Plex off. But, given you don’t have a lot of addons, it ca...
wait "given you don’t have a lot of addons" how many do you even have? hahaa
junior cargo
You’re just not going to be transcoding 4k streams very smoothly. lol
it's ok i aint really using Plex local server yet much
olive spire
lol I don’t have addons. I run Container and I have about 25 other containers running on other servers.
But I’ve seen people running 20+ addons on bigger systems.
junior cargo
damn i see, what about adguard home now
olive spire
Ohhhhh yeah. Forgot about adguard. Should be fine to stay there, but you might run into that dns issue again.
junior cargo
Ohhhhh yeah. Forgot about adguard. Should be fine to stay there, but you might r...
yeah, and theres no way for me to fix this?
🥲
olive spire
Hmmmm you could, but it would require another rPi (or some other 24x7 always on machine).
junior cargo
Hmmmm you could, but it would require another rPi (or some other 24x7 always on ...
mac?
so at that point ill run plex too no?
olive spire
Things like AdGuard that do DNS resolution for your network should be on something that always runs.
olive spire
mac?
You could run it as a container on your Mac, but if you turn the Mac off, adguard will also be off, so same issue.
junior cargo
my mac has been always running yeah
at least i give a purpose to the mac, if not it will just take dust
olive spire
Ah, ok. Well, there ya go. Just run the docker version on your Mac and point your router to that.
Yup, I get that.
olive spire
Download docker desktop on your Mac. It’s easy.
Then just follow the instructions on the adguard website.
junior cargo
alr, i will do it a bit later, ill check better if HA works well and all!
Thank you again boss!
olive spire
You’re welcome ☺️ Let me know if you run into other issues.
junior cargo
You’re welcome ☺️ Let me know if you run into other issues.
i just checked the rPi on the monitor and it appeared a message "Error returned from supervisor: system is not ready with state: setup"
anything to worry about?
olive spire
Yup. Reboot it and let it try to setup again. This was after you restored your main backup?
olive spire
Turn off the pi. Let it sit for 30 seconds and then plug it back in.
junior cargo
just straight up unplug the cable?
olive spire
Yup
junior cargo
ok
ok
so no error this time, nice!
now.. i have installed and logged in Docker, wtf i need to do now ahahha
oh you said to check adguard home lets see
olive spire
Yup. They should have a section for running it under docker in their docs.
junior cargo
yeah i am very confused on what i am clicking ahahha
The image exposes two volumes for data and configuration persistence. You should create a data directory on a suitable volume on your host system, e.g. /my/own/workdir, and a configuration directory on a suitable volume on your host system, e.g. /my/own/confdir.
i am not sure what this means
olive spire
Just create a folder on your Mac. Name it AdGuard and then create the two subfolders. Then, in the docker config, pass those two folders.
junior cargo
i think i messed up something
`Pull the Docker image
This command will pull the latest stable version:
docker pull adguard/adguardhome`
how do you run this code?
on the mac terminal?
olive spire
Yup. You can also do it through docker desktop too.
olive spire
In Finder, create the folders, the use the path of those folders (like /Users/{your username}/{where you created the folders})
olive spire
docker run --name adguardhome
--restart unless-stopped
-v /my/own/workdir:/opt/adguardhome/work
-v /my/own/confdir:/opt/adguardhome/conf\
Set them in the -v params.
junior cargo
oh sorry, all this in the terminal again
olive spire
Well, you CAN use desktop as well, but it’s easier in terminal imho.
junior cargo
/Users/homeassistantserver/Desktop/AdGuard/confdir
/Users/homeassistantserver/Desktop/AdGuard/workdir
this are my paths for the folders
where do i need to put instead of what
junior cargo
no ok but do i change also the /opt/?
docker run --name adguardhome\ --restart unless-stopped\ -v /Users/homeassistantserver/Desktop/AdGuard/confdir:/opt/adguardhome/work\ -v /Users/homeassistantserver/Desktop/AdGuard/workdir:/opt/adguardhome/conf\
or like this
olive spire
Nope. Leave the /opt/ stuff alone.
junior cargo
`docker run --name adguardhome\
--restart unless-stopped\
-v /Users/home...
so yeah like this
i havent changed the opt i have changed only the one after -v
olive spire
Perfect. Try running it.
junior cargo
it answered with
olive spire
???
junior cargo
thats all
lol
`Last login: Sun May 19 13:58:12 on ttys000
homeassistantserver@Mini-di-Home ~ % docker run --name adguardhome
--restart unless-stopped
-v /Users/homeassistantserver/Desktop/AdGuard/confdir:/opt/adguardhome/work\
-v /Users/homeassistantserver/Desktop/AdGuard/workdir:/opt/adguardhome/conf\
`
it looks like this
olive spire
Try running docker ps -an and see what it returns.
junior cargo
cant find image 'ps:latest' locally
olive spire
Ugh. Typo. Sorry. docker ps -a (I’m on mobile atm)
junior cargo
homeassistantserver@Mini-di-Home ~ % docker ps -a
CONTAINER ID IMAGE COMMAND CREATED STATUS PORTS NAMES
8b3cf3214e58 adguard/adguardhome:latest "/opt/adguardhome/Ad…" 33 minutes ago Up 33 minutes 53/udp, 53/tcp, 80/tcp, 67-68/udp, 443/tcp, 443/udp, 853/tcp, 853/udp, 3000/tcp, 3000/udp, 5443/tcp, 6060/tcp, 5443/udp AdGuardHome
homeassistantserver@Mini-di-Home ~ %
olive spire
Ah, there ya go! It’s running!
You should be able to open the http://Mac IP address:3000 in a browser.
junior cargo
this right http://127.17.0.2:3000/ ?
junior cargo
Hmmmmm no. That doesn’t look right.
its the one that Docker gave me in the logs page
junior cargo
Try http://localhost:3000
just that it doesnt work
olive spire
Yeah, that’s the docker internal address. It might work, but I doubt it.
junior cargo
didnt work
olive spire
Just use the IP address for your Mac.
olive spire
Hmmmm maybe it’s not port 3000 🤔
I gotta run in a few, but check out the docs. They should list the port to use.
junior cargo
I gotta run in a few, but check out the docs. They should list the port to use.
i havent done it yet, but i was checking the rPi performance..
and it says 1.5 gb of 2gb of ram are being used
olive spire
Yeah, that sounds about right.
junior cargo
😨
junior cargo
Yeah, that sounds about right.
ah, so its good?
olive spire
Like I said... don't overload it and you should be fine.
olive spire
Yup... but, you're going to want to squirrel away some money to get something better eventually. You can get by on 2GB ram as long as you don't go crazy with addons.
Yup. Like, don't throw VS.Code server on it, the pi will start crashing from a lack of memory.
Keep addons to the things you ACTUALLY NEED.
And, if there is an addon that you want (like Plex or something like that), see if you can throw it onto docker on your Mac... split the load as much as you can.
But I would DEF save up to get yourself a cheap mini pc. You can find some decent ones on eBay for $100-$150 that will blow both the mac and pi out of the water.
junior cargo
Yup. Like, don't throw VS.Code server on it, the pi will start crashing from a l...
vs code?
olive spire
If you don't know what it is, don't worry about it 🙂 (it's a code editor/IDE, but VERY heavy in ram and cpu usage)
junior cargo
If you don't know what it is, don't worry about it 🙂 (it's a code editor/IDE, b...
studio code server?
olive spire
Yeah, that. Avoid it.
olive spire
Your hardware will choke and call you names.
olive spire
lol do you? I don't remember seeing it in your addons.
junior cargo
olive spire
Myy "personal" recommendation is to remove it/disable it. We've got a lot of forum posts about it just going nuts with ram/cpu usage.
junior cargo
😂😂
olive spire
lol whatever... shut up... 😛
olive spire
File editor or add the SAMBA Share addon and edit it over the network. Either one works better than the addon does.
junior cargo
proceeding to unistall it then
samba share means i can also do it remotely?
or what does that mean
olive spire
Yup. Samba share shares out your config and other folders that you can access from another machine on the network.
olive spire
but what?
junior cargo
its just that
i use a vpn to use ha remotely
so i am not sure what samba would do if i already have ha accessible remotely
olive spire
Having HA remotely and having the /config directory shared are two different things. So, while you can access HA via VPN, you may not be able to access the files on your HA remotely (without File Editor or vs.code). With that said, if you want to keep the addon, keep it... it's just been known and reported to cause issues with usage and you're already on underpowered hardware. It's really your choice. 🙂
junior cargo
no no vscode i can remove it
olive spire
I want you to have the best experience you can within your budget 🙂
junior cargo
i didnt know about that, it was the only addon that i visually "learned" how to use and i dint know about others
olive spire
lol there's always at least 3 ways to do anything in HA (usually).
olive spire
Once you install the addon and configure it, you should be able to see it in your Finder. under Network.
Then you can edit on your Mac.
Or you can use the File Editor as well. Both work. But, if you use the share, you can download and use vs.code on your Mac.
junior cargo
ok got it working i think
olive spire
Woot!
junior cargo
if i live my interent connection, will i still see them under network?
olive spire
Ummmm... over VPN, you might be able to.
All depends on how you have your VPN setup.
junior cargo
oh so remotely means from other devices on the same internet
thats what you meant?
olive spire
Yeah, locally, 100%. VPN, depends on how you have VPN setup and where it terminates into your network.
junior cargo
AH i see i see okok ty
one more quetion, do you know if theres a better "Media" / "Media Sources" tab?
because its a bit ugly and a bit annoying
olive spire
Better? Not really, that's baked into HA itself. You might be able to find a custom integration, but I don't know of any.
junior cargo
Better? Not really, that's baked into HA itself. You might be able to find a cus...
ok ok ty
olive spire
Anytime:)
junior cargo
i connect an external storage to music assistant, but when i click play on one of the songs i have it doesnt start
any idea?
damn not even if its a spotify song... its so slow and it doesnt play any musics
olive spire
Hmmmm... no, I have no idea about that...
junior cargo
hey, i am still stuck with this Docker thing, could help me through it?
i dont really understand what the docs say i need to do
olive spire
Sure. What ya got?
junior cargo
I think i am at the "create and run the conteiner" step now:
is it this what i need to run?
docker run --name adguardhome\ --restart unless-stopped\ -v /Users/homeassistantserver/Desktop/AdGuard/confdir:/opt/adguardhome/work\ -v /Users/homeassistantserver/Desktop/AdGuard/workdir:/opt/adguardhome/conf\ -p 53:53/tcp -p 53:53/udp\ -p 67:67/udp -p 68:68/udp\ -p 80:80/tcp -p 443:443/tcp -p 443:443/udp -p 3000:3000/tcp\ -p 853:853/tcp\ -p 784:784/udp -p 853:853/udp -p 8853:8853/udp\ -p 5443:5443/tcp -p 5443:5443/udp\ -d adguard/adguardhome
from what tehy put in the website i only changed the part at
- v
the one we said yesterday
olive spire
Yup. Alternately, you can use a compose file as well.
junior cargo
no idea what it is but ok, one sec, let me try and run this again on the mac
`"docker run" requires at least 1 argument.
See 'docker run --help'.
Usage: docker run [OPTIONS] IMAGE [COMMAND] [ARG...]
Create and run a new container from an image
zsh: command not found: -v
homeassistantserver@Mini-di-Home ~ %`
i got that
olive spire
Hmmmm. Ok. hold on, let me test it on my system.
olive spire
Damn I hate docker commands sometimes...
Ok, do this... on your mac, create a file called docker-compose.yml. Put it in your /Users/homeassistantserver/Desktop/ folder.
junior cargo
just desktop or inside the adguard?
olive spire
In the folder up there ^^^
In that file, paste this in: services: adguardhome: container_name: adguardhome restart: unless-stopped volumes: - /Users/homeassistantserver/Desktop/AdGuard/confdir:/opt/adguardhome/work - /Users/homeassistantserver/Desktop/AdGuard/workdir:/opt/adguardhome/conf ports: - 53:53/tcp - 53:53/udp - 67:67/udp - 68:68/udp - 80:80/tcp - 443:443/tcp - 443:443/udp - 3000:3000/tcp - 853:853/tcp - 784:784/udp - 853:853/udp - 8853:8853/udp - 5443:5443/tcp - 5443:5443/udp image: adguard/adguardhome
olive spire
Yup. That's fine
junior cargo
done
olive spire
Alright... now, in your terminal, go to that folder: cd /Users/homeassistantserver/Desktop/AdGuard/
Then run docker compose up -d
junior cargo
homeassistantserver@Mini-di-Home AdGuard % docker compose up -d
yaml: line 1: did not find expected ',' or '}'
homeassistantserver@Mini-di-Home AdGuard %
i think i didnt create the file correctly
i am not 100% sure how to do it on mac
olive spire
Make sure it matches what I put in.
junior cargo
i copied and pasted