installation-archived

[tender wren]

Restoring a backup needs some time. Especially on a low end board like the RPi 3B+.

[amber dragon]

OK, giving it over night then. 10pm here now, allmost bedtime anyway

[zealous lily]

Hi. I have installed Home Assistant on a KVM in ubuntu. Its running. but I'm missing add-ons .. so I went to system information, and it says it's a docker setup.
ANyone have an ide of what I'm missing in this context?

[tender wren]

How exactly did you install it?

[zealous lily]

followed this guide https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux

and choosing the KVM option

[grand pivot]

Where does it say it's 'a docker setup'?

[tender wren]

So you downloaded the qcow2 image and created a VM with it as storage?

[grand pivot]

Like this?

Version    core-2023.9.2
Installation Type    Home Assistant Container

[zealous lily]

https://pastebin.com/54bYHu3E

[tender wren]

2023.5.3 🤔

[grand pivot]

That's also an old core version

[zealous lily]

I downloaded the one from the same page

[grand pivot]

I conclude that you either didn't follow those instructions, or you're connected to a different instance

[zealous lily]

Ok.. That's hard to comeback from..

I don't have any other instances running.. had one on raspberry pi 4, but the SD card died today. (no backup)... so I was trying to create an alternative on my mediecenter

The only part of the guide that hasn't been followed is that I'm using a bridge connection instead of the one in the guide, to make it easer to reach from other endpoints in my network

I do have a docker environment, but only 3 containers. None of them HA. I would love to go that way, but would be missing out on the Add-On's that I find a bit critical

https://pastebin.com/z88u8XDp Here is the config for the VM.

[tender wren]

That doesn't match with your system info.
OS 10.5 (which has been released in August) in the VM
and Core 2023.5.3 in the system info...

[zealous lily]

😕

so a HA is running somewhere in my environment

[tender wren]

Do you have a HA container running on the host itself?

[zealous lily]

not that I remember.. but that would be the best options... I did play with this in june as well. .but had the options to play with RPI4, so jumped over there

Ill be dammed. There is a core. Guess i went away from that from the dame reasons as docker.b

[grand pivot]

since you're already running other containers, I wouldn't personally consider lack of addons in a container install justification to build a whole HAOS install

hardly "critical"

[zealous lily]

I miss the add-ons

you only get them from building the whole setup

and I'm starting from scratch since the SC card died anyway 😦

[grand pivot]

they're just containers

in any case, you're certainly welcome to enjoy HAOS and addons

[zealous lily]

😉

do you know if there exist a guide to remove the core version in linux?

[grand pivot]

stop it and delete the venv

[zealous lily]

fair

[grand pivot]

and make sure that you're not trying to launch it as a service

[zealous lily]

well.. tomorrow.. better hit the bed.. the wife's birthday is tomorrow

[hasty apex]

hi guys. Is there a way to cleanly shutdown a HA OS instance? Do I just yank the power?

[tender wren]

When you go to Settings and the menu there, you can select to restart HA.
In the popup you can select Advanced options - 2 additional options are offered then.
The last one is to gracefully shut down the system

[hasty apex]

thank you!

[winged marsh]

Is there a trick to restoring to a new device. I restored a backup from a RPi3B running HAOS to an x86 machine running HAOS

looks like most things are working, but some of my ESPHome smart plugs are not workinmg, some are

[raven forge]

A restore usually needs a reboot

[winged marsh]

I did that

i guess I can try to delete them and re-add them, i dont have much automation set up yet.

okay its working now. Looks like everything is working. Oddly that went smoother than last time when I tried to restore the Pi 3B to a Pi 4. Now to test if it can compile ESPHOME firmware

one last thing, is ther ea way to manually change the IP{

I set the mac address to be reserved with the IP of the prior HA device but its not changing its IP.

[raven forge]

If you reserved this in your router's DHCP reservation section then you need to change the MAC there to your new machine

[winged marsh]

I didl. But yet again it was just being a punk, after a third restart it finally grabbed teh reserved IP. Hopefully that fixes my weather station and I can go to bed

[lament steppe]

Good morning guys,
I'm running HA for few years now and I decided to perform fresh installation (probably I'm just asking for complications only)
Anyway my first idea was Docker installation but I also want to use Proxmox.
Is there any point to use Docker instead of native proxmox HA VM installation?
In the end I will also create another VM as a Docker host (media server, cloudflared, adguard/pihole, z2mqtt, mqttbroker etc.) mostly for learning purposes but idea of docker HA in small proxmox environment isn't like overdoing stuff?

[raven forge]

<#installation-archived message>
I don't think it's overdoing. It's using the hardware to your liking and its fullest extend

[lament steppe]

Okay, thanks. Should I expect some sort of network issues setting up mariadb/influx db or even cloudflared as docker containers and connecting HA VM?
I'm still thinking that's Im asking for issues since everything is running smothly but I can always revert with backup. Probably I got a tons unavailable entities, crap loaded into db and that kind of stuff and that's kinda meh. I'm also using lovelace ui which is very nice but maybe its time to use something else like mushroom

[raven forge]

I couldn't tell you

[worn shore]

Hey all,

I'm going to install 2 home assistant instances on the same server (with 2 nics), and have each nic their own home assistant ports.

I'm using docker. Any way of exposing HA to a specific nic? I want to use network mode: host. If I use bridge mode I need to specify every port to "forward", but I don't know what ports HA needs? I know about 8123 for the web ui. But I'm guessing certain integrations need their own ports?

Or is there a list of ports for integrations/ discovery? I found this thread: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/is-there-an-official-list-of-ports/395592/5

[humble mirage]

You have to use host mode, but people have reported success with macvlan

[worn shore]

Thanks, I will have a look at macvlan

[sage kestrel]

My HA installation keeps crashing every night, and even after shutting down and restarting the VM for HA (every night), this occurs occationally. I used the .ova file and have successfully installed it on my Synology VM. As the error points towards some disk error, I even installed a newly formatted HDD and checked it for errors before doing a fresh VM creation and HA install, then restored from my backup. The errors keep coming, and only remedy I´ve found so far is to restart my VM session for HA. Reboot of HA itself seems not effective. Here is the error that appears in the HA CLI.

ata1.00: exeption Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
ata1.00: failed command: FLUSH CACHE
ata1.00: cmd e7/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00:/a0 tag 7
         res 40/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00:/00 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
ata1.00: status: { DRDY }

Any help on solving this would be very much appreciated 🙂

[zealous lily]

I'm restarting my setup, starting with reinst ubuntu, installing Virtual Machine Manager, and setting it up. I'm at the initial kickoff, but it hangs at Booting from HArd Disk. .. How do I find out what's going on with the HAOS VM?

[sand sorrel]

googled for hours... how do I get https on local haos without internet access?

[low notch]

you generate a self signed certificate and use that ?

or make your own CA

[sand sorrel]

how?

tried generating self signed, installed openssl on windows, it pukes errors

[low notch]

no idea about windows

[fallen lichen]

What's the errors

[sand sorrel]

cfg file was missing... figured it out and now I have https. was much harder than I expected, there could be a simple guide somewhere.

I don't need lets encrypt and duckdns, since I'm behind NAT

[low notch]

Homeassistant behind NAT isn‘t unusual 🤔

[frank perch]

prolly means CGNAT

in which case cloudflare tunnels work great, with SSL too

[humble mirage]

Even without CGNAT that works great

[frank perch]

currently doing cloudflare over CGNAT on a Starlink

and it works great

[humble mirage]

Currently using it with a static IP (v4 and v6) because ... it just works

[frank perch]

well yeah ipv6 works over the starlink too actually

[humble mirage]

Also makes it so damn easy to add another layer of auth, to anything

[heavy igloo]

@raven forge @low notch update:
I managed to get what I wanted through Docker. Way easier than what I was trying to accomplish :p
Thanks for your input and help you two!

[lofty jacinth]

hey friends, it's me again trying to sort out my kvm bridge network. I know my question isn't HA related, but I'm hoping that somebody could help this poor networking noob out 😦
I already poured hours into this... I'm running ubuntu 22.04 (server) with pretty much everything default. I've read multiple guides that suggest using multiple different tools to configure the br0 interface. I completely fail to understand which one applies to me. I think the closest match would be netplan and I do have an /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml file. but there's no renderer: networkd in that file... does that mean I use a different "renderer" and this all doesn't apply to me... ? I'm a bit worried that if I mess this up I'll lose my ssh connectivity

[fathom dirge]

I think i'm in the right place for this. i have HAOS running on a VM and after an IP address change I cannot get it to work with anything. ha > network info reports host_internet: false and supervisor_internet: false. Before having to change my server's IP due to a networking setup change this worked great, but now I am stuck and unsure what I can do to resolve this.

[raven forge]

Show us what network info says and what exactly you changed from/to

[tawdry flume]

quick question, how do i edit my configuration.yaml in safe mode? i just need to delete 2 lines and my system will work again, but i can't find how in safe mode, i'm running on pi4

[empty bloom]

the addons should be accessible, if not, take this as a learning moment and set up samba share so you can access your files regardless of HA

[tawdry flume]

yeah 🙂 the addons are not restored, but seems i can install a terminal in safe mode, gonna try that and go from there

[placid sage]

Hello, i'm new and trying to install ha supervisor with the Os on usb pen drive, all works fine, i'm on gui and says: "This may take up to 20 minutes
While waiting, some suggestions:" but during the pendrive boot is not question me anything about where to install, wich hard drive, then what is making this 20 minutes?¿

[empty bloom]

the addons will be running in the background regardless of HA, you just don't have the sidebar link

[empty bloom]

it downloads and installs all the python dependencies

[placid sage]

the the question of where goes later?

strange

[empty bloom]

I don't know what you mean by "where it goes"

[placid sage]

which hard drive install?

[empty bloom]

additional files will be added to the container, so wherever the container is located, I would assume it's on your flash drive

[raven forge]

There is no installer. Flashing = installing in this case

[placid sage]

but i flash a usb, and i want to burn in a ssd

are you saying me that i need to burn the ssd directly like the usb?

normaly iso installs burn usb, then the installer on the hard drive

[humble mirage]

However, there's no iso, and no installer

[raven forge]

Then flash it onto your SSD

[placid sage]

ok thanks

how i can shutdown the os after installed?

from gui or from cli?

[humble mirage]

There's an option in the gui, but obviously if you do that there's no automations running

[placid sage]

how to do it?

[empty bloom]

why does it matter? You're wiping and installing anyways

just power off the machine

[placid sage]

i like to do thinks correct

maybe tomorrow i want to close it

[empty bloom]

then wait until it's finished installing

[placid sage]

is finished

but i dont see how to do it

[empty bloom]

then via the UI there's a way to shutdown

system -> upper corner

[placid sage]

i see restart, but not shutdown

[empty bloom]

click it

expand advanced option -> shut down system

[placid sage]

fine thans

where i can find the sonoff devices?

[empty bloom]

depends on how you integrated them

[humble mirage]

Probably in the bin once you realise how bad they are 😛

[placid sage]

china style

[neon glen]

🤷‍♂️ I've got a bunch of temp sensors, buttons from sonoff and it's been very largely fine

[placid sage]

and how i install there, i'm new

[humble mirage]

How you install what?

[placid sage]

sonoff devices in HA

not appear there

[empty bloom]

There's no simple 1 button click way to add sonoff from what I've seen in the past

[placid sage]

how to enable ssh on HA?

to access yaml files

and thinks like that

[raven forge]

You install the advanced SSH addon. For editing files I'd recommend the VS Code addon

[placid sage]

i install vs code, more fine

sonoff lan is my problem now, i don't know how to manage this sonoff devices i have in ewelink page

i have so many door sensors and i want to send me a telegram message when are closed in schedule time

[empty bloom]

https://ewelink.cc/ewelink-works-with-home-assistant/#

[placid sage]

in the tutorial say open supervisor tab on the left, but i don't have it show

[grand pivot]

that's quite an ancient image

looking for the addons page in

[placid sage]

fine thanks

so many ewelink devices not supported

[humble mirage]

That's the problem with WiFi

[zealous lily]

Hi. Anyone strong in virual environments. I'm trying to figure out how to create a virtual HA on Virtual machine manager in ubuntu, where the HA gets an IP that is reachable in my network

Any idea on where to look for inspiration/Howto ect?

[humble mirage]

Well, that'd be bridged networking

[zealous lily]

yes..

But I do have to set it up elsewhere?, or ?

[humble mirage]

Google for ubuntu kvm bridged network found me https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KvmWithBridge

[zealous lily]

thanks.. need to define the bridge first, I see

[fallen flax]

Hello, is it possible to install an SSD after completing the entire installation on an SD card without losing the entire configuration?

[humble mirage]

Yes

https://www.home-assistant.io/common-tasks/os/#using-external-data-disk

[bitter oak]

today is the day when i want to move my HA from LXC on ubuntu to HA OS. Is any procedure to migrate HA?

[humble mirage]

Take a backup, download said backup, restore to new install

[bitter oak]

ok, so this is how i think, thanks

[scenic grove]

hi so i've been gone for a while

thought about it and bought a rpi

used the mac imager

and now the GPU is corrupted (3 flashes)

[grand pivot]

which RPi? Did you flash the right image?

[scenic grove]

RPi 4 model b

HOME ASSISTANT OS 10.5 (RPI 4/400) was flashed

any help would work

but this is my first time

WAIT

does it require a SD Card or can i use a Flash Drive

cuz i used a flash drive

[grand pivot]

all the instructions say SD card over and over

[scenic grove]

so i NEED one

😦

but it says suggested

no required

[raven forge]

The "true" recommendation is a SSD

[scenic grove]

that helped 😐

[grand pivot]

You don't want to run HA on a flash drive. It will be slow and unreliable

[scenic grove]

awww

[raven forge]

Well technically a SSD is a flash drive too. I can see two reasons for the SD card suggestion.
Pi users likely already have one and USB boot seems to be finicky and needs some adjustments.

[scenic grove]

oh

well that is sad

😭

[frank perch]

99% of the rpi projects use an SD card

[scenic grove]

i'll check that statement brb

so anyways

can anyone help

with 3 flashes (gpu corruption thing)

green light rpi

[grand pivot]

https://www.home-assistant.io/faq/usb_boot/

you're trying something might just not work with the hardware you're using

[frank perch]

did you read enough to confirm my statement?

[scenic grove]

no i lazy

[scenic grove]

checkin

[frank perch]

so you can explore the world of maybe working usb drives, or follow the guided tour on known working SD cards

[scenic grove]

wait do you have a link i could check

[grand pivot]

no

[scenic grove]

i'll get a sd card if i want it

[scenic grove]

😦

[frank perch]

well you can lead a horse to water

[tender wren]

https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/configuration.html#led-warning-flash-codes
Generic failure to boot

[scenic grove]

what is it then, whats the issue?!?

[tender wren]

The issue is: it cannot boot

[scenic grove]

i’ll reflash it

idk why

[tender wren]

For example: it cannot find the necessary files to boot

[scenic grove]

oh...

that's weird

anyways i'm reflashing it

yeah and it's 3 VERY quck flashes

38%

tbh the rpi is sick and cool

[tender wren]

Not weired. That's expectable with a Pi without SD card, propably old firmware and without enabled USB boot

[scenic grove]

i'm on the rpi4 model B, is that old?

wait does hassio need ethernet on startup?

done flashing

now lets try again-

ugh

3 flash again

[scenic grove]

so yep ur right

ima go get a sd card for the rpi

nvm doordashing one link to it

[tired granite]

HELLO GUYS
i wanted to ask if you guys used shelly 4pro with a conventional dimmer at ur house i cant find the wiring diagram anywhwere
i was able to do that with shelly 2.5 but cant with the 4 pro

[humble scaffold]

@tired granite Please do not cross post. Read the channel description, post it and wait for folks to respond. Crossposting wastes people's time as they're unaware of the help you're getting elsewhere.

If you don't get any responses after an hour or more, and your message is no longer on screen, it is fine to re-post or post a link to it.

[fierce briar]

Hi Guys,
I have an instance of Home Assistant running on oracle virtual box, The VM and the HA loads without error in the console/CLI.
The problem is the local url of http://homeassistant.local:8123/ or http://homeassistant.local:4357/ nothing is loaded and the browser message is "can't reach this page" and "homeassistant.local’s server IP address could not be found"
I have also made it available externally using the duckdns.org service however the webpage just keeps looping and saying "Unable to connect to Home Assistant"

Note: It worked flawlessly until recently
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated

[crude inlet]

Yes.

[novel bone]

Hello, I've installed HA on a raspberry pi3 with the imager as it was written on the website. After starting the raspberry only the CLI starts and the supervisor mode but not the GUI. When I checked the logs I saw a few python errors. My questions are:

1. how can I start the gui?
2. if I need to install something for python how to do that? I always get error when I type any commands after ha>

[crude inlet]

@novel bone the only ui is provided by the server and you reach that in a browser from another device on your network. You should see the addresses you use shown in the console

[soft pike]

Good morning. Quick question. I just migrated my installation of HA to a new server. The only step remaining is to change the IP on the new server to match the old server. How can I do that? Pointers to docs would be great!

[empty bloom]

Typically thats done by your router

or gateway

[soft pike]

Right. I deleted the old entry. Moved the Dynamic entry from DHCP to Static and edited it to the old address. The new server has not picked up the address. How can I force it to grab the new static address?

[soft pike]

Still no luck. So, how do I manually config the IP on the HA server?

[raven forge]

The ha network command

[soft pike]

More detail please.

[raven forge]

If you show me what ha network info says I can tell you more.
Here's an example from another occasion: <#installation-archived message>

[soft pike]

FANTASTIC!! That appears to have answered my question!!

[small crest]

Ive been pulling my hair out trying to get bluetooth working on HAOS installed on a repurposed HP NUC... I've found the broadcom BT firmware, but cant figure out a way to get it on the HAOS, theres no wget and curl doesnt produce anything. What commands can I use in HAOS terminal?

[small crest]

I'll ask this in the #BT channel, probably better place.

[vague birch]

"Minimum recommended assignments:

2 GB RAM
32 GB Storage
2vCPU"
Winblows VMware instillation. Is that what's required for the VM, or suggested to have the disk for the VM as that size?

Pretty sure it is the later.

Yeah, just talking to myself I suppose.

[vague birch]

So close, yet no cigar. Gotta play with networking stuff I guess.

No IPV4 address.

[vague birch]

Aww, tried: network update enp2s1 --ipv4-method auto
to no avail.

[raven forge]

What does network info say?

[vague birch]

I'm not sure how to copy/paste from the VM, but essentially there is nothing in ipv4

I followed this:

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/ive-tried-almost-everything-and-cant-get-an-ipv4-address/433203

[raven forge]

Make a screenshot then

[humble scaffold]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

[vague birch]

https://i.imgur.com/x9MrWI8.png

[raven forge]

Yeah seems like you get no DHCP from your network. Where is it plugged in? Tried giving it a static ip?

[vague birch]

Can I assign a static IP in the VM? That would be golden!

[raven forge]

Ah, VM. Sure. How does your VM's networking look like?

[vague birch]

https://imgur.com/g4OpB55

I don't think this is what you are asking about though.

[raven forge]

It is. That looks okay

[vague birch]

Reading through this presently: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/guide-connecting-pi-with-home-assistant-os-to-wifi-or-other-networking-changes/98768

[raven forge]

How is the VM host connected to the network? Do other VMs on it get a DHCP address?

[vague birch]

Prepare your brown pants, you may be horrified.

I think this must be the issue: I get my wifi from the building, apparently there is no DHCP, I've had to deal with this before for connection stuff. (I know, incredibly sketch.)
I do have equipment where I can capture and re-broadcast as my own network, which is what I am on now for some seperation, apparently DHCP still doesn't go through that, or that breaks it or something. Possibly the solution would be to vlan it. I'm not sure if that would work, but here are my two options:

Option 1: Building wifi > capture on AP > vlan on ethernet output > switch > server > VM
Option 2: Building wifi > capture on AP > ethernet output > vlan on switch > server > VM

Presently: Building wifi > capture on AP > ethernet output > switch > server > VM

[raven forge]

I haven't fiddled with WiFi to x stuff so I can't help with that part but in this case you could run your own DHCP server (pihole might be easiest and can also provide DNS and ad blocking) and/or assign a static ip

[vague birch]

I'm comfortable assigning static IP's, I just don't know how in VMware yet. Not sure if I'd do it VMware side (I haven't seen anything there for it) or in HA, the above link didn't seem to flush that out.

Interesting thought making my own dhcp server.

[raven forge]

You'd do that inside the VM. HAOS in this case. Similar to here: <#installation-archived message>

[vague birch]

https://old.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/unmsd8/how_to_set_static_ip_of_hass_from_hass_cli/ Boom

Ah, was searching when you edited. XD Thanks, I'll let you know how it goes!

Odd thought, I wonder if I could change it in Windows: Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Connections too if I use one of the VMware network adapters.

[lament steppe]

Probably silly question but...
I ran HA inside docker container (VM host inside Proxmox). MariaDB is running as LXC (inside Proxmox). I have trouble accessing/connecting to MariaDB db / adminer but portainer or zigbee2mqtt is owrking via local network. Any idea why?

[raven forge]

Where is portainer and Z2M installed? Is HA using host networking? What ip do you use?

[vague birch]

I might have to try to make a dhcp server then. :/
https://imgur.com/THzDwk2

[lament steppe]

HA running host network mode
portainer is using 192.168.31.52:9000, z2m 192.168.31.52:8080, mariadb 192:168.31.191:3306

It looks like connection via IP is refused (?) if I specify IP in adminer I got connection refused if I use localhost it's fine

[raven forge]

Butchered that command 😄
You can also use nmcli after you enter login

[vague birch]

Oh, I see how you think that. idk, it changes it to that after I type it correctly and hit enter.

same for network info

[raven forge]

There's a bind-address setting you can change to listen externally

[raven forge]

Strange. If supervisor doesn't respond that's not good. You could check its logs via docker logs but meh

[vague birch]

ruh roh indeed https://i.imgur.com/8J9YDv2.png Looks like I'm gonna have to fix this whole dhcp kerfulffal.

[lament steppe]

Problem has been resolved. I accidentally put wrong net mask while granting permissions to account - 192.168.100.% instead of 192.168.31.% 🙂 thanks

However adminer is still not accessible via iframe from HA 😄

ERR_BLOCKED_BY_RESPONSE

[scenic grove]

back after a while. my issue is it’s hanging on A start job is running for HAOS swap (4 mins 50s / no limit)

[vague birch]

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/installation-problem-on-x-86-cant-get-commnication-using-homeassistant-local-8123-or-ip-address-8123/597486/52#:~:text=No%2C this is,via a browser.

At least I'm not the only one with that. - netwonetwork info

[scenic grove]

oh…

[bitter oak]

is any debug method haos in QEMU? I waiting 3 hours to restore backup...

@steep ridge I thinks you should ask on #integrations-archived

or #add-ons-archived

[steep ridge]

Ahh okay! I will delete it here and paste it in the other room! Ty!

[subtle spade]

hello, i`m have a question. HA can be installed on router with OpenWRT?

[low notch]

it can, but you make its life miserable

[daring jay]

what are the minimum components required to load only hass -> gui ( 8123), discovery through DHCP. like http, dhcp

[low notch]

what is your goal?

[daring jay]

Hi @low notch Need to discover matter supported devices and its controls

[low notch]

you want haos

[bitter oak]

i have problem with my haos installed in qemu and backup restered from my previous ha installation

for example, i cannot start all addons

Terminal & SSH
last logs has:

[2023/09/27 08:46:51:2380] N: lws_socket_bind: nowsi: source ads 0.0.0.0
[2023/09/27 08:46:51:2381] N:  ++ [wsi|1|listen|default||8099] (2)
[2023/09/27 08:46:51:2381] N:  Listening on port: 8099
[08:46:51] WARNING: SSH port is disabled. Prevent start of SSH server.

now i have 13:15

23-09-27 13:11:13 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.addons.addon] core_ssh is already running!
23-09-27 13:11:51 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.addons.addon] Timeout while waiting for addon Terminal & SSH to start, took more then 120 seconds```

[bitter oak]

after reboot VM all works... 😉

[lime plover]

I am having an issue with full backup. It takes long time. What is the difference between full and partial backup?

My recoder data is more than 4GB.

[fallen lichen]

If you moved to MariaDB and don't need your prior history, you can delete the SQLite DB from /config

[lime plover]

Yes I did remove that file. Actually I have two HA instances running in 2 different houses. I have tried using MariaDB on one of them, Now if it will be successful then i will do the same for other HA instance.

[fallen lichen]

Full backup backs up core and all your add ons, a partial is a .... partial of that... it can be just core, a single addon, a mix

[lime plover]

Does Partial include automation, scenes etc.

[fallen lichen]

If it backs up core, yes

Also, you're keeping 2 years of recorder data, it's not surprising that your database (regardless of the engine) is large. Usually something like Influx or VictoriaMetrics, or another time series DB is better for historical data

[lime plover]

Thanks i will research them.

[fallen lichen]

Also x2, not sure if there's something in particular you're really looking to save for an extended period of time, but there's a separate concept called long term statistics, which are kept around forever. Sometimes people set recorder to a long duration when they want to keep their energy data around, but regardless of the days you configure, the energy data will be kept around in long term statistics (https://data.home-assistant.io/docs/statistics/).

[lime plover]

I just thought 2 years might be better comparing temp sensors data. I think i should lower the recorder duration.

I have 7 LD2410 sensors that are also producing a lot of data.

each LD2410 has more entities after the latest esphome update that included LD2410

Have pressure sensors for Natural gas, water etc. Temp sensors for Geyser, Room and outside.

Few other devices. In total 14 devices.

[novel bone]

I would appreciate if someone can help. I installed homeassistant onto a raspberry pi3 and when I try to reach it I get ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED error. I tryed with homeassistant.local:8123, with homeassistant:8123 and also with ip:8123 and always get the same error. I'm not familiar with firewall setups...

[raven forge]

Is it connected via a network cable?
Can you ping its ip address?
Can you connect a monitor and keyboard to it?

[novel bone]

I could ping it and when I plugged a motniro it showed the HA screen. Btw I did a new image and now it works fine.

[placid sage]

Hi, if I dont have the supervised home assistant version, am I unable to edit my YAML config? I also use home assistant desktop and am unable to open the virtual drive where HA is installed on 😢

[brisk willow]

No, you can edit the YAML config with any installation type. However...what is Home Assistant Desktop?

[placid sage]

the hyper v image I downloaded in the "windows" section

[raven forge]

You can use the SSH addon, File Editor, VS Code, Samba, ...
Also see: https://www.home-assistant.io/common-tasks/os/#configuring-access-to-files

[hollow swift]

Question, does anyone know if there is a distro of Proxmax With Home Assistant already installed

[copper steppe]

proxmox? No it's a hosting VM, but there's a "one liner" script you can use from tteck

See https://www.derekseaman.com/2023/06/home-assistant-proxmox-ve-8-0-quick-start-guide.html

Once you've got proxmox installed, can run
bash -c "$(wget -qLO - https://github.com/tteck/Proxmox/raw/main/vm/haos-vm.sh)"
To create a HAOS VM

@hollow swift

[hollow swift]

I have Prox installed, but for some reason the shell doesn’t seem to be connecting to the Internet. I’m not sure why brand new two Prox

[copper steppe]

two prox?

sounds like your network config (or firewalls, vlans etc) are preventing proxmox talking to the internet.
fix that first. almost certainly problem is not on proxmox itself

[daring jay]

How to assign ip address to http module?.. any configuration.yaml settings ?

2023-09-27 22:27:23.445 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.http] Failed to create HTTP server at port 8123: [Errno 98] error while attempting to bind on address ('0.0.0.0', 8123): address already in use

[low notch]

you can't

its the host ip, well not really but 0.0.0.0 is reachable from anything this host is connected to

[daring jay]

@low notch hass process is running,
coredump occured when accessing ip:8123 from browser
Fatal Python error: Segmentation fault
what could be an issue ?

[low notch]

a lot

what are you doing?

[daring jay]

Trying to port into openwrt in one of the home router

Current thread 0xf7d6f430 (most recent call first):
File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/hazmat/bindings/openssl/binding.py", line 102 in build_conditional_library

[low notch]

good luck

[daring jay]

2023-09-28 00:18:15.693 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.homeassistant_alerts] Timeout fetching homeassistant_alerts data
any reason ?

[low notch]

lots of reasons

[humble mirage]

1. Not a supported platform
2. Python 3.9 is way too old

[loud hemlock]

https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/issues/2766

can anyone help with this

i been trying to get some help over the past couple weeks

not sure what other means of support there is for this?

i dont pay for the cloud service and im not seeing any support options other than here or posting to the github

but basically the update to 10.5 gets loaded to SLOT B, but does not persist upon reboot and brings me back to SLOT A, which runs 10.4.

[empty bloom]

Sometimes you have to take a step back and nuke the machine

[loud hemlock]

yeah

im nervous though

[empty bloom]

just make a back up, install new HA and restore the backup

[loud hemlock]

i did 100 device migration from smartthings to HA, learned a lot and had to make yet another HA, migrated 100 devices again and just finished yesterday

and my two antennas will work just fine? even if its new hardware?

thats what im nervous about because im new to this and not sure how the zigbee and zwave dongles will behave

i guess i could do the same hardware with a new drive keeping the old one just in case?

i guess it would only take me 15 minutes to test that theory

[broken dust]

Looking to migrate a fairly complex HA install from Supervised (on an ancient NUC) to Home Assistant OS (on a less ancient Dell MFF PC). Setup includes Z-Wave, ZigBee, tons of ESPHome devices, and a litany of other integrations (probably 20-30 integrations total). I also have InfluxDB and MariaDB set up, in addition to ~ 15 other add-ons.

My plan is:

• Setup HAOS on the new machine from scratch, matching Home Assistant versions
• Match the IP on the new machine to the old machine (so ESPHome and other local network devices continue to work)
• Either copy the config files and .storage, or try restoring from a backup

Questions:

1. Does this at all seem like a viable plan? Or should I just clone the disk from my old install over to the new machine?
2. What gotchas should I pay attention to beyond my plan?
3. How do I make sure all my add-on configurations make it over to the new box?

[brittle sail]

Have to considered doing backup then doing restore and then being done?

Assuming your supervised install isn’t super broken it’s that easy

[broken dust]

Yeah that's another possible thing to try - I haven't really confirmed how extensive the backup/snapshot is - but given that I am relying on it to work for ... backups 🙂 I should probably try that 😄

[brittle sail]

You’ll have to reboot haos host after a successful restore

[broken dust]

See how broken the resulting install is

[brittle sail]

It’s literally complete

[broken dust]

Including things like InfluxDB etc?

That would be pretty dope 😄

[brittle sail]

Except if you setup zigbee and zwave dongles wrong, then you’ll have to point to them again after restore

[brittle sail]

Addons completely restore as well yes

If it’s a multi gig file then you probably need to setup a new haos install, then go into settings and restore from backup after manually uploading the file over samba or something tho

[broken dust]

I set them up by /dev/serial/by-id/ once that was fixed again in Debian 11

[brittle sail]

Yep then they’ll just work too

[broken dust]

Sweet, I'll try that path first then... Hardware's still in the mail, so it'll be a bit, just wanted to get thoughts on my overall game plan.

[brittle sail]

Ya it’s too easy

[broken dust]

I can just scp the file over from the old machine to the new

[brittle sail]

Add a couple usb extensions to your amazon order for zigbee and zwave dongles if you aren’t already using them

[broken dust]

I have 'em in a USB hub that's raised up

[brittle sail]

https://youtu.be/tHqZhNcFEvA 30 second clip showing why

Cool

[broken dust]

And a few Sonoff sticks flashed Zigbee repeaters strewn about

[brittle sail]

Weird

Most of us just use bulbs, light switches, etc

[broken dust]

My switches are Z-Wave

[brittle sail]

Me too

Hue bulbs tho

[broken dust]

I have a sparing amount of Zigbee devices

[brittle sail]

Sad

These days I’m more partial to zigbee

[broken dust]

Few contact sensors, buttons, etc. The few smart bulbs I have are WiFi mostly (Wiz and ESPHome)

Most of the house is "smart switch dumb bulb" tho

[brittle sail]

Damn wiz lol

Yea

[broken dust]

Sadly the Wiz integration isn't working atm for some reason

(off topic for this channel tho 😄 )

[brittle sail]

Always is

[broken dust]

Can't get myself to pay Hue money for a few bulbs

[brittle sail]

Then don’t buy rgbw ones

Use rgbw strips

[brittle sail]

#hardware-archived message disco kitchen goes brrr

[broken dust]

These are in outdoor light fixtures and most of the year they're just white. Only colors for holidays 😉

[neat crow]

hello! considering moving from google home to home assistant, and running it on an old android phone.
My current smart home hardware is:
4 google mesh wifi points
1 battery powered google nest cam
4 nest x yale smart locks
4 kasa smart outlet switches
one chromecast tv box thingy
I want to move for better customization options and having it still work in case google's servers are inactive... Any idea if I can use all of these devices with home assistant, preferably without it passing though google? (except the mesh wifi system), or have I gone too far into the google's ecoststem lol

[viscid sigil]

Do not run Home Assistant on an old android phone. Use one of the official installation methods: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/

[neat crow]

I don't really have any other options for it, and I have seen a few tutorials to get core running on android

[low notch]

just because you can get it to work doesn't mean you should

i can also run x86 windows on my arm pc. but I won't

[neat crow]

what sorts of issues would I encounter trying to run it on android?

[low notch]

network issues of all kinds, battery issues, cpu issues, ram issues, harddisk issues

issues all over the place

[neat crow]

hmm

Can I run it as some sort of background process on my pc? (arch linux ryzen 7 7700x 16gb)

[low notch]

yes, far better. as long as you keep that pc running 24/7

[neat crow]

it is running 27/7, got a bad temporary network card until I figure out ethernet, disconnects around once every eight ot so minutes

[low notch]

fix your setup

that sounds sad

see you in 8 minutes

[neat crow]

its for fifteen seconds or so then it reconnects automatically at least

[low notch]

network issues ✅

[neat crow]

yep

[low notch]

ip conflict
I'll just leave this here

[vague birch]

So, I had an issue with DHCP on my network due to a history of issues I'm not about to solve at this moment. (Long term, I'll be getting a new internet line.) However:
Would there be any issues with having HA in a VM set to use a dedicated ethetnet card on an adhoc intranet network?

[humble mirage]

You need functioning internet to get HA installed

You can set up a static IP (and gateway) if you need to, but if it can't reach the internet there's no way to get HA working

[vague birch]

Huh, what does it require external internet for, other than updating the software?

[humble mirage]

The install

Downloading python packages for integrations you add

[vague birch]

Any way to sneakernet drop them onto the box?

[humble mirage]

No

[vague birch]

My hopes were dashed, darn. Thank you though!

[humble mirage]

HAOS doesn't support that, plus it too needs to download Docker images

You could do a pure Core install manually, but it's not going to be easy or quick

[vague birch]

Next item for me to search up: the interface to assign HA Green dive a static ip.

[humble scaffold]

Network

Open your Home Assistant instance and manage your systems network configuration

[vague birch]

(It very well might not be possible for me at this point, which is okay, but I'mma run head strong into it to see if I can.)

[humble mirage]

You may need to go the manual way to get it up enough to have a UI

https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/blob/dev/Documentation/network.md

[silver brook]

Hi there. My SQLite database grew quite a lot in the last year and I want to switch to MariaDB, MySQL or PostgreSQL. Is there an official documentation about migrating to one of these?

[silver brook]

What a bummer.

[median kestrel]

I have installed home-assistant on an SD card, put it in a raspberry-pi, plugged the raspberry pi to my network, accessed the home-assistant frontend from my computer, but it's stuck at "Preparing Home Assistant, This may take up to 20 minutes".

It's been half an hour. Is it expected because it's a raspberry pi (it's a raspberry pi 4), or could it be a bad SD card, or bad power delivery?

[vague birch]

Odd thought, I could put it in a VM, fully install and configure it, then just move it to the isolated network that doesn't have internet connectivity, just local network.

[humble mirage]

Sure, you can do that

[vague birch]

Idk why that didn't come to me sooner, thanks for letting me bounce ideas.

[median kestrel]

Soo... I bought an zwave aeotec z-stick 7. I saw that it was using a problematic firmware and tried to upgrade it through home-assistant.
It got stuck through the install, and I believe it's now bricked. The z-wave plugin won't start anymore. Anyone aware of a procedure to revive it?

[tender wren]

#zwave-archived might be able to help

[shadow dragon]

What is the most recommended way for cleaning up an home assistant installation? I have 100s of unavailable old entities

[brittle sail]

probably booze and patience... but if you felt frisky enough i'm sure you could bulk remove by poking around in hidden .files that you definitely shouldnt be in

[shadow dragon]

Or I could install another home assistant with same config and integrations?

What would be lost is history I guess

[brittle sail]

what do you mean install with same config and integrations?

[neat crow]

But assuming I do get a functional device to run it on, would all these devices work?

[leaden gyro]

I've had this working for a long time: Linux with VirtualBox running HAOS. Now HAOS won't boot: "Plymouth missing" Can this be fixed. (I can't capture the text but have a .jpg screen shot. How do I post it?)

[copper steppe]

seems to be related to splash screens and virtual graphics card support. did you recently upgrade either haos or the host os or virtualbox?

[raven forge]

See bot message

[humble scaffold]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

[leaden gyro]

imgur didn't work, URL to scren capture https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UbyRiZb9oXD8Zb-m4l8ljhd2iFBzYk87/view?usp=drive_link

Maybe VirturalBox got upgraded with a ubuntu update? The machine had a power failure.

[raven forge]

Maybe you could restore from a snapshot/backup? Which HAOS version are you running?
Also can you show a less cropped version of that?

[leaden gyro]

@impact yes, here it is (the journal is ~1700 lines long, this is only about 50) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o3tK_1kysjMqC5g-Y-LBF5I0ew2OZdNX/view?usp=sharing

[loud herald]

Hola everyone. I am trying to install Home Assistant on a 2008 macbook running osx lion 10.7.5.
any recommendations on the best wat to get this running?
I tried running HA in virtualbox but this failed miserably.
Is it even possible?

[leaden gyro]

@loud herald while my HA in VirtualBox just did a serious crash, I still thing it's the way to go: I followed the tutorial here https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux

@loud herald For you, at this point, get VirtualBox running.

[loud herald]

I got virtual box running in osx

but when i run the HA virtual machin the VM just runs into a fatal error.

[leaden gyro]

@raven forge I was successful at running a back up .OVA The back up is running 2023.2.4. The failed version could have been 2013.5.x

[manic bane]

What is the error

[loud herald]

A critical error has occirred while running the virtual machine and the machine execution has been stopped.

[loud herald]

https://imgur.com/a/8pPozEu

https://pastebin.com/Lhmr5zvD

I've shared the log file and a screenshot from the terminal window from when it hangs.

It runs fin on another machine but this has a newer version of virtual box and osx. And of course better hardware...

fine*

[violet palm]

Hello everyone
This is my first attempt at HA. I downloaded the .vdi and set it up on VirtualBox as per the instructions on the website and also rechecked the steps from youtube videos. Host is Win11x64.
During a fresh install, I get the error "INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.jobs] 'ResolutionFixup.run_autofix' blocked from execution, system is not healthy - supervisor".
I did the basic checks like bridge network mode, etc.
If anyone has any insights, please share.
TIA

[wet kestrel]

I am having the exact same issue, with a linux vm. I will let you know if I find any solutions!

[raven forge]

Both of you please run network info and supervisor logs inside the VM. Also share a picture of your VM's network settings

[humble scaffold]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

• https://dpaste.org/ (select YAML for the language, and consider picking a longer expiry)
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Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

[wet kestrel]

https://imgur.com/yqw7Qwk
https://imgur.com/GsyAhgf
https://imgur.com/N8cjKZv
Here are the logs back

Network source is br0, and model is set to virtio-net

[drowsy hornet]

I've been running HA in a docker container, but I have a need for addons so I just did the HA install on a rpi4. I'm attempting to get it to work with proper certificates. I've got the firewall configured properly and have done the LE addon with http challenge... but now I'm trying to figure out how to tell the HA instance to listen on https/443 properly... is there any guide/docs that someone can point me to? Do I have to do this via shell on the rpi4 or can I do it via web interface?

[fair spindle]

Recommended way is to use the nginx addon rather than configuring certificates in HA's configuration directly

[raven forge]

Networking looks okay. You can try supervisor repair/supervisor update. You can also enter login into the prompt and try to manually update the image via

docker pull ghcr.io/home-assistant/amd64-hassio-supervisor:2023.09.2

Maybe it shows more information about the failure. If not you can try journalctl --since "10 minute ago" -u docker.service
While in there you can also try

ping 1.1.1.1

and

nslookup ghcr.io

[wet kestrel]

The repair says completed successfully, going to thy and pull manually. I am thinking it is an issue with DNS, I am not sure what or how to fix it though.

[raven forge]

The last command should show that. You'd probably not get supervisor_internet: true in that case though

[wet kestrel]

Ah okay, here is the nslookup https://imgur.com/a/PRWnWAr

I will run the manual pull and let it sit

[raven forge]

journalctl -n 50 -u docker.service might also have some information

[wet kestrel]

https://imgur.com/HoT3HwH here is that command

seeing failed to read from DNS server 192.168.1.1?

[raven forge]

Aha okay it could not resolve github.com

Now the question is why. You can try nslookup github.com but it would be strange for that to fail but not ghcr.
You can also check ha dns info

[wet kestrel]

nslookup gave pretty much the same result as the ghcr. https://imgur.com/QdPF49W

Here is the dns info https://imgur.com/DZC3BeC

[raven forge]

Hmm. I don't see anything wrong with your configuration. HA recommends enabling fallback in case of DNS issuess but you already have that.
Sometimes a reboot will "fix" things but unfortunately I have no other clues right now.

[wet kestrel]

So strange, I used to have it working at my old house but ever since moving havent been able to get it working. Thanks for your help though! I am going to let it sit and just see if it will download eventually.

[wet kestrel]

Also I noticed my unraid network settings is set to IPv4 only, should i change that to enable ipv6?

[raven forge]

Depends on your networking. Might not hurt. Github isn't universally available via IPv6 btw

[wet kestrel]

Yea doesnt seemed to have changed anything

This is the error when running su update, not sure if i sent it https://imgur.com/SsvfwME

[raven forge]

It's definitely there though: https://github.com/home-assistant/supervisor/pkgs/container/amd64-hassio-supervisor/127327358?tag=2023.09.2
Did the manual pull say the same?

[wet kestrel]

the manual pull just sits there and does nothing, I have to control-c to exit it

I have only let it sit for about 20 min, maybe thats not enough time?

[raven forge]

I'm not sure what timeout they use but I'd expect some kind of output to appear within a minute at least

[wet kestrel]

Yea no timeout so far. I just ran it again, I need to cut my lawn lol so i will let it run for an hour or so and see what happens. Again thanks for the help!

[wet kestrel]

Yup it did timeout

[wet kestrel]

So i did some digging, a lot of people are saying that by adding 8.8.8.8 to the dns servers field works. They are able to do it in the GUI but I cant access the gui yet. Do you have any idea how I could do this in CLI?

[wet kestrel]

I GOT IT TO WORK!

CHATGTP FTW

[raven forge]

ha dns options --servers dns://8.8.8.8

How?

[wet kestrel]

I went into nmcli and modified the DNS to include 8.8.8.8 reran the pull and it pulled imediately

[raven forge]

I wonder if ha dns options --fallback=false would've worked as well

[wet kestrel]

possibly, but not having 8.8.8.8 in the cofig was def preventing from contacting ghcr

[raven forge]

It should use your local DNS but DNS in HAOS is kinda funky

[wet kestrel]

I can tell lol, Thanks again for your help 99% of this stuff goes right over my head lol your help was much appreciated

now i need to figure out how to get it to finish the preparing home assistant screen lol

[dawn hinge]

Hi I am looking to restore from a backup (2023.9.3_1.0.110) but the button has gone anyone know how to do this?

[tender wren]

What installation method did you use?

[dawn hinge]

Its on Truenas scale app

[tender wren]

So you are running it as a container and not a virtual machine with HAOS, right?

[dawn hinge]

Yes

[tender wren]

Then there is no restore in the UI.

You have to extract your config folder from your backup, stop the container and copy it yourself to the container's storage

[dawn hinge]

Aright no worry thanks

[tender wren]

And restart afterwards

[wet kestrel]

Anyone know how to get past this?
ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.misc.tasks] Watchdog found a problem with Home Assistant API!
23-09-30 15:22:48
ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.misc.tasks] Home Assistant watchdog reanimation failed!

It just keeps looping

[leaden gyro]

@raven forge While I have a the backup working, I did some changes which I can't remember. I'd like to get the failed instance back up and running. I'm in "rescue" and I was able to bring up the network. I can also ssh out but not in (no ssh service in rescue). I am also able to get to the point where grub is selecting the OS to run. If I run the default, It bounces back into rescue.

[raven forge]

See if you can run ha supervisor logs there

[wet kestrel]

@raven forge I have made a forum post there still seems to be problems, hopfully I can document an help others. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/unable-to-get-installation-of-haos-to-finish/620675

....... after all this it randomly worked and i got to the actual HA

[raven forge]

topic deleted by author
🤨

[wet kestrel]

Yea, going to reupload a new post with the whole explination now that i got it working

[leaden gyro]

@raven forge I have a # for a command prompt. I executed # ha and got the message "Cannot connect to the Docker daemon at uniz:///var/run/docker.sock. Is the docker daemon running?" I suspect it is not, but how do I know? How can I get it running?

[raven forge]

Try systemctl list-units --failed

[leaden gyro]

UNIT LOAD ACTIVE SUB DESCRIPTOR: 0 loaded units listed

[violet palm]

Hello,
I've tried to follow the instructions as closely as possible.
Please forgive if I've managed to overlook anything. I'm a complete novice here.
The links to images, code, etc.

http://pastie.org/p/73tUE2DPD7fxmsWKvwWo3C
https://imgur.com/mWHfqww
https://imgur.com/6hKHmSE
https://imgur.com/BohP7ix

Please let me know if there is any other info required that can help understand what's going wrong.

[frank narwhal]

Hey guys, wondering if someone could help out. So I’m trying to get my HA to work with my raspberry pi 4. For context, previously loaded it on an sd card using a Mac and everything seemed fine. I then ordered one of those cases from sunfounder which includes a fan and leds etc. For some reason I just can’t get the two working. I don’t know whether I previously created an account, then deleted the os from my sd and then reloaded it. If that’s causing an issue of it not showing up or something else.

https://www.sunfounder.com/products/raspberry-pi-4-case

For reference that’s the case

[raven forge]

See the debugging steps we ran through above. It's basically exactly the same

[violet palm]

I tried the steps listed.
This is what I get:
http://pastie.org/p/1iSAAPigNCPNxH0r78ZyKA
https://imgur.com/LdUISAj

[raven forge]

Interesting. So your DNS is broken as well, but a bit more than theirs. Try the 8.8.8.8 or fallback related stuff above and see if that changes anything for nslookup
Actually you miswrote it. It's ghcr.io which stands for Github Container Repository. You wrote ghrc.io.

[violet palm]

Sorry, my bad. I retried with the correct url and received the same error just with a different IP <20.207.73.86> mentioned in the error.

So, do I now need to use <ha dns options --fallback=false> or ha dns options --servers dns://8.8.8.8
And further, retry the sup repair, sup update cmd?

[raven forge]

Try the ha dns options --servers dns://8.8.8.8 first

[violet palm]

This is the output:
http://pastie.org/p/5B8aV74Dasqef6LyGgN4Rm
https://imgur.com/8JsC2Ys

Note: I have been performing the steps one after the other on the same image/install in the VM. Please let me know if I need to discard the current state, use a fresh .vdi and perform the dns change and steps after that.

[odd lodge]

can someone assist me with restoring from backup on docker?

[viral night]

I will be honest, I have looked and I am confused by the lingo. 🙂 If I have an a PI4 already up and running with the latest version of the PI OS, can I install HA? If there is a link, I can follow directions real wayy.

[odd lodge]

yes

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi/

[brisk willow]

Yep, Container or Core are the options there

[viral night]

@odd lodge - that is what looked at first, would not over write what I already have running?

@brisk willow - I just read something like a docker?

[odd lodge]

it installs alongside your operating system

[brisk willow]

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi/#install-home-assistant-container

[brisk willow]

Unzip the backup and copy it to your config dir

[odd lodge]

ah, I loaded it into my backup folder

[viral night]

@odd lodge - the link you provided, I have used before, but is t hat basically the current version of PI OS with HA already installed or a liter version of the OS for HA? I ask this, as I want to also install PI Hole and some other automations and didnt know if I was going to run into any problems.

[brisk willow]

There are multiple installation options on that page

Container is what you're likely looking for

[odd lodge]

if you want to run a bunch of different things like Pi Hole and home assistant - docker is the way

[viral night]

ok.. thank you gents, I will look into docker.

[odd lodge]

enjoy, it's addictive

if you are novice on docker I also recommend the community version of portainer to help you manage it

[viral night]

Will do, yes.. nooob

[odd lodge]

I keep getting a login attempt failed 😦

Login attempt or request with invalid authentication from

[raven forge]

Looks like the dns wasn't set there

[viral night]

Well - installing docker wasn't all that difficult, no errors and I got the " Hello from Docker!" screen for a quick test. As I look at: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi/#install-home-assistant-container There is a very very lock command line.

1.) I can just copy and paste it and run like that?
2.) The PATH_TO_YOUR_CONFIG , can be /HomeAssist

[raven forge]

I'd recommend putting it somewhere your user has access to. Perhaps their home dir or /var/mycontainers or whatever. Putting stuff in the root / is uncommon

[vital yew]

Hey all. If i am going to setup HA in Docker using Docker Compose, and i have a permanent NAS mounted on my linux system, can i store the /config folder on there, but store the DB locally?

using something like

    volumes:
      - /mnt/nas/homeassistant:/config
      - /etc/localtime:/etc/localtime:ro
      - /home/me/homeassistant:/config/home-assistant_v2.db

or

    volumes:
      - /mnt/nas/homeassistant:/config
      - /etc/localtime:/etc/localtime:ro
      - /home/me/homeassistant:/db

[proper cedar]

hey i need help

its the second time home assistant get stuck on boot

am using a sdcard on a raspberry pi 4

and i guess its corrupted again

its an application class 1 sdcard and home assistant recommend a application class 2

should i buy a application class 2 sdcard or switch for an usb ssd ?

[raven forge]

The latter on a powered USB hub

[proper cedar]

usb ssd on usb hub ?

even a little nvme ?

[raven forge]

Sure, why not. I doubt you'll get its benefits over USB though

[proper cedar]

no i dont want the ssd speed i want the ssd stability

because its the second time i install home assitant on a sd card and that it gets corrupted

i saw that sdcards are not made to be writen and readed 24h/24

else it fails

[raven forge]

I'm just saying that NVMe vs SATA probably won't make any difference for this

[proper cedar]

for the corruption ?

[raven forge]

No, for speed. SSDs aren't known to corrupt like SD cards if you power them properly, hence why I suggested it and a powered USB hub to power it.
You then asked for NVMe hence my answer that there won't be a lot or any difference

[proper cedar]

okay thx

i will put a hub then

[proper cedar]

Do you know if home assistant backup restores EVERYTHING ?

[raven forge]

Depends what you mean with everything but a full backup should restore everything one expects

[proper cedar]

Ok yhx

Thx*

[fathom dirge]

Currently doing a fresh install of HAOS on VirtualBox and it seems to be hanging on the "Preparing Home Assistant" screen even after being left to run overnight. Anybody know what to do to resolve this?

[fallen lichen]

Click on the blue circle and see what the logs say

[fathom dirge]

Oh wow I had no idea that was there 😂

it's not letting my select text properly to copy but I am noticing this right near the bottom:

there's a bit more at the bottom where it seems to be updating docker image after I restarted it a little bit ago

[frank narwhal]

Hey guys, has anyone set up HA on a Pi 4 using a Mac?

[fallen lichen]

Probably. What's the problem you're facing?

[vital yew]

Dont suppose anyone can help answer this?

[wispy mulch]

You certainly can. As long as the Linux Docker host has access to the folder that your bind mounting in Docker (regardless if that's an NFS mount or whatever) your good to go. You can even have Docker Compose create the NFS mount itself as opposed to the Linux host but works the same either way.

[vital yew]

excellent. Which version is correct? The first or second?

[vital yew]

See here

[wispy mulch]

before I respond to that, your saying that the Linux host already has an NFS mount established to the NAS and is mounted as "/mnt/nas/homeassistant" correct?

[vital yew]

I am a little nervous about this move. Ive been running HA via a VM for years, but recently am starting to have issues with my DB becoming corrupt meaning loosing historic power data and thats becoming super frustrating

[vital yew]

mounted as /mnt/nas

and there is a subfolder already created by me called homeassistant

[wispy mulch]

I popped into the running container to verify where the db was living. Your second option should work:

volumes: - /mnt/nas/homeassistant:/config - /etc/localtime:/etc/localtime:ro - /home/me/homeassistant:/config/home-assistant_v2.db

[shadow dragon]

Hello all i've some issues with my home assistant isntallation. It deesms to reboot after this:

It seems the supervistor is restarting homeassistant

23-10-02 11:09:18 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.api] Error on call http://172.30.32.1:8123/api/core/state:
23-10-02 11:09:18 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.misc.tasks] Watchdog found a problem with Home Assistant API!
23-10-02 11:09:18 INFO (SyncWorker_7) [supervisor.docker.manager] Restarting homeassistant

on homeassistant container log nothing is shown around that time.

2023-10-02 11:08:49.015 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.helpers.entity] Update of climate.zona_giorno is taking over 10 seconds
s6-rc: info: service legacy-services: stopping
2023-10-02 11:09:33.763 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.androidtv_remote] Disconnected from TV soggiorno at 192.168.107.63

Is there a way for me to debug this?

[vital yew]

Thank you!

[wispy mulch]

Actually quick edit.. since your mounting the config folder off of a NAS you need to specify that individual db file as living on the local Linux host like this:

volumes: - /mnt/nas/homeassistant:/config - /etc/localtime:/etc/localtime:ro - /home/me/homeassistant/home-assistant_v2.db:/config/home-assistant_v2.db

[shadow dragon]

I think you pinged the wrong person 🙂

[vital yew]

he did 🙂

i got it

[wispy mulch]

Oops sorry lol

[vital yew]

thank you!

[vital yew]

super odd

whilst i can see the subfolder on the NAS with the correct perms

i cannot see the subfolder in bash

ive checked the user its mounted as has perms etc

[wispy mulch]

your saying you can see the subfolder via the NAS itself but not from the Linux host running docker?

[vital yew]

correct

but.......

there is also another subfolder called "codeproject" that i cannot see on the linux host, but its in use by one of the other docker containers

super strange

[wispy mulch]

Hmm.. sounds like a perms related setting on the side of the NAS or possibly your mounting of the share. You using fstab to mount the NFS volume?

[vital yew]

yep

and checked the user that i am mounting with has the correct perms to the folder

[wispy mulch]

Hmm not sure what's hanging you up but you'll obviously wanna make sure you can navigate to the NAS mounted folder you intend to add the config folder to from the Linux docker host before bringing up the container though 🙂

[vital yew]

yeah something funky going on

how can i reload that mnt ?

ah

i think i know what has happened

rebooting my server now

i had a powercut

i think my server booted before my nas

[fallen saddle]

Hi everyone, I have an issue where I cannot access http://home.mydomain.com while I'm on my mobile phone connected to 4G. Strangely I don't have this issue on WIFI. I receive following error; 2023-10-02 17:10:19.175 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.http.forwarded] A request from a reverse proxy was received from XX.199.XX.145, but your HTTP integration is not set-up for reverse proxies . How do I set "sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward" to zero without getting following error; error setting key :sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward read only file system

[vital yew]

Yep the above fixed my issue 🙂

thanks for the help so far!

[wispy mulch]

no problem-o

[vital yew]

dam powercuts

[wispy mulch]

getcha everytime

[vital yew]

Im just hoping this fixes the actual issue im trying to fix!

dam corrupt database happening far to often

Next stage is going to be worrying about the few add-ons i have

which i know i cannot run here

hopefully i can do a restore minus the addons

[wispy mulch]

thats an odd one.. hadnt had a corrupted db before in HA

[vital yew]

How are you running HA?

apparently its fairly common when running backups and running HA in a VM using virtualbox

at least thats what they are telling me in the #energy-archived channel

[wispy mulch]

Hey Jordan, obviously connecting over wifi vs the public Internet are vastly different things.. are you trying to expose your HA server so its reachable from the Internet while abroad?

[fallen saddle]

Yes, my ports 80 & 443 are open

All linking to 8123 in my router

[wispy mulch]

are you using the ip address or an actual domain name when trying to hit your HA server from the internet?

[humble mirage]

A request from a reverse proxy was received from XX.199.XX.145, but your HTTP integration is not set-up for reverse proxies
That says that the IP there is a proxy

Is that an address on your home network?

[fallen saddle]

No that's the public address from my smartphone with 4g connection

[humble mirage]

Well, then you have proxy software on that phone

[fallen saddle]

It's really strange, when I'm on any other external WIFI, my homepage loads and I can login with the companion. When I'm switch tomobile network

[humble mirage]

Because that message comes from when an XFF header is detected

[fallen saddle]

It gives me error 400 Bad request

[humble mirage]

So... what "security" software is on the phone?

[fallen saddle]

Good question

[humble mirage]

Something on the phone is being fucky, and that's causing your problem

Oh, and 99.9999% of phone"security" software is at best snake oil

[fallen saddle]

Why does it only happen when I'm on mobile and not on wifi?

[humble mirage]

Probably the way whatever that piece of software is was designed

[fallen saddle]

Well I confirm I have no specific phone software installed

No VPN's and whatsoever

[humble mirage]

There's something on it that's doing that

What you're seeing isn't normal for iOS or Android

[fallen saddle]

Okay, I was trying to disable the IP forwarder because I have been tinkering with NGINX proxy manager

Can anyone tell me how to disable on HAOS sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward

To set the value to zero

[vital yew]

can you not restore a backup on HA running in docker?

[fallen saddle]

My install is fresh

DIdn't make any backups until this morning

[humble mirage]

You can't

[vital yew]

Sorry, i am asking my own question

nothing to do with what you are asking

[humble mirage]

HAOS is an appliance, you can't mess with it

[humble mirage]

There's nothing in HA or that - you have to do it yourself

[fallen saddle]

Then how the hell was the value set to 1

[humble mirage]

That's set for you

You can't change it

[fallen saddle]

Aah I see

[humble mirage]

And... you're chasing the wrong thing to solve your problem

Un-fuck your phone

[vital yew]

Ugh i was trying to migrate from my VM running HA over to a docker running HA (minus the add-ons of course). (Also note i remembered not to ping you 🙂 )

[humble mirage]

You just have to unzip it

And then untar the tarball

[vital yew]

is that for me?

can you not restore a backup on HA

[fallen saddle]

Well thanks for the feedback, let me check the behaviour on my ipad, my phone is a Oneplus 6 from 2018 which is working but has no more updates

So I'm still on HTTP externally, let me try to setup SSL for my personal domain. I was using DuckDNS until yesterday

[fallen saddle]

HTTP externally on my personal domain

I only started saturday with HA, I came from Smartthings/Alexa, what a learning curve

Im still a noob but I'm already happy with my current setup 🙂

[humble mirage]

HA is a lot to take in, but the possibilities are endless

[fallen saddle]

/That's true but it has a steep learning curve for average joe

[humble mirage]

Oh, not denying that

More like a learning cliff when you're standing at the bottom

[fallen saddle]

So what do I do now? Since remote HTTP is not working and I cannot find the root cause on my phone. Should I secure my server and use Cloudflare with my personal domain? What's the more bulletproof apporach?

I don't have any issues with my phone, only with the HA instance

[humble mirage]

Cloudflare tunnels work, or running your own proxy server and having it replace any XFF header (has some risks, but they're minor)

[fallen saddle]

The cloudlfare tunnel route is the one I'm taking right now

Actually configuring it, crossing fingers

[humble mirage]

You'll need to whitelist the relevant IP ranges

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/http#reverse-proxies

https://peyanski.com/connecting-cloudflare-tunnel-to-home-assistant/ suggests that

http:
  use_x_forwarded_for: true
  trusted_proxies:
    - 172.30.33.0/24
``` is all you need

[fallen saddle]

Thanks a lot, I just copied, now rebooting

My build is on a pi 2B with a single core which a friend borrowed to me, it takes a while.

[humble mirage]

You don't need to reboot to update HA, just restart HA itself

[fallen saddle]

That's true, that's what I meant

[humble mirage]

The good news is that almost anything will be an upgrade over the Pi2

Even a toaster will be faster

[fallen saddle]

I know I know, I followed the news a bit and I preoredered a 5. My friend compared it like a bicycle vs a plane

One last question because it seems like it's working

WHat do I configure as External and Internal URL in the Network page?

Https:home.mydomain.com

[humble mirage]

The relevant URLs that work when external and at home

https://home.mydomain.com and http://homeassistant.local:8123 maybe

[fallen saddle]

I changed the links, rebooting again

[grand pivot]

too much rebooting

[fallen saddle]

Well thanks a lot guys for all the support. The workaround works like a charm and I can keep using my phone until it's real e-waste and not a victim planned obsolescence

[humble mirage]

Settings you change in the UI don't need a restart/reboot

[fallen saddle]

Only in YAML conf?

[humble mirage]

Yes, and not always that

https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/configuration/#reloading-changes

[grand pivot]

and you almost never need to reboot the device, only restart HA

with a RPi2, you will save years of your life

[fallen saddle]

Thanks a lot guys! No that is solved I will soon start to reproduce my Smartthings Automations into HA. Any good sources I can read/watch/consume to do things correctly from the start?

I'm really happy with the dashboard I tinkered around with: https://app.screenclip.com/2GKw

[proper cedar]

ok i just restored everything on the usb ssd, it works fine and even a lot faster than before (logic ssd is faster than sd card) but lets see how it performs in the future

but thx

[humble mirage]

The #automations-archived docs - linked from that channel's topics, or you can try the more visual #node-red-archived

[gloomy ledge]

Hi, I am trying to install Home Assistant as a container for backup. I am following the offical installation documentation from web site. I am not very familiar with docker compose and as far as I can see there maybe a a typo in documentation.

'The documentation states: As the Docker command becomes more complex, switching to docker compose can be preferable and support automatically restarting on failure or system restart. Create a compose.yml file:'

When I create a file as compose.yml docker-compose gives an error about file name and in must be docker-compose.yml. I checked my docker-compose version and it is fairly updated. So is there anyone who can confirm the correct filename. I can create a bug / issue in github if we can confirm the error. Thanks a lot

[humble mirage]

You have an ancient version of Docker

docker-compose moved to docker compose when v2 was release a year to 2 years ago

Make that ... 3 years ago... where does the time go?

[gloomy ledge]

hmmm

thanks Tinkerer let me check my docker version

it is Docker version 20.10.5

[grand pivot]

👴

[gloomy ledge]

wow yes 😄

so docker accepts docker-compose or just compose I assume.

[grand pivot]

Sometimes distros hold it back

[gloomy ledge]

As I said I am not familiar with docker 😦 sorry.

[grand pivot]

It was a separate app

[humble mirage]

What OS are you running it on?

Debian? Ubuntu?

[gloomy ledge]

debian 11.7

[humble mirage]

https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/debian/

That'll get you a current version of Docker

[gloomy ledge]

But I done a couple of distro upgrades so it is a little bit complicated 😄

I'll upgrade it thanks a lot.

[humble mirage]

Not complicated at all, I promise 😉

[fallen flax]

Hi, I've a strange problem with my HA installation. Everything working well, but once upon a time, a bad reboot, or something like that, but my HA isn't accessible from outside. I've try lot of thing (uninstall letsencrypt mod and install nginx proxy manager), and now I can access to my HA from inside and outside, but I've a warnin in Chrome & Firefox for a bad SSL certificate... my HA is available in a subdomain (https://ha.mysub.info) and the error is that the certificate is for my root domain (mysub.info) so there is an error. I don't know where I can't change that because, in the nginx module, when I download the certificate, in the info, I found that the certificate is for my subdomain. Any idea or something else to try ?

[zealous lily]

So.. I have given up on SD cards for OS, as they break down too fast.. last one only lasted a few days.. So I'm trying to jump to an SSD in a USB box.
I can run the imager and make the disk ready, but it never boots, (or I don't see it on the network).. If I use a USB regular disk it works. Do I need to set the disk active or something for it to work?

[raven forge]

What hardware are you using? Also try to connect a monitor to whatever it is to see what's happening

[humble mirage]

You may also need a powered USB hub

[crude inlet]

| SSD in a USB box
Sometimes the controllers within these enclosures aren't compatible or require a firmware update if available

[regal gust]

I am currently running on a dedicated PC:
Home Assistant 2023.7.2
Supervisor 2023.09.2
Operating System 10.3
Frontend 20230705.1 - latest

When I go to Settings/System/Updates I don’t see any updates. I haven't seen an update in a while obviously.

[regal gust]

when I terminal into the machine I see the following error when attempting to upgrade from command-line. ha refresh-updates Unexpected server responce. Status code: 403

[crude inlet]

@regal gust rebooted the system already?

(not a restart of HA)

[fallen saddle]

I'm a total noob and I also had access issues and I installed a Cloudfare tunnel with my personal domain and it has solved all my problems. Here's a guide I found: https://pimylifeup.com/cloudflare-tunnel-on-home-assistant/ whenver I'm stuck I ask ChatGPT for help and as a last resort here

[fading summit]

Hi so i can't acces my HA web interface i tried http://homeassistant.local:8123 but it don't wrk

[fallen saddle]

Check the IP linked to your device in your router and use http;//yourlocalip:8123

[fading summit]

i can check it with cmd ?

they don't give me an interface

i forgot i was on 4g/lte that might be why

[fallen saddle]

Do you have access to your terminal? Type ip a

[fading summit]

ha terminal ?

[crude inlet]

Are you on the local network now?

and still can't reach it?

[regal gust]

I am in the process of rebooting HA

[crude inlet]

as in, it is rebooting? or as in, trying to find where to do it?

[regal gust]

I rebooted HA and still having the same issues. @crude inlet

[crude inlet]

check supervisor logs

with advanced mode enabled for the user, settings > system > logs > choose supervisor from the dropdown in the upper right corner

[regal gust]

I have advanced mode enabled and currently checking logs.....

I don't see any errors in the Supervisor logs

[crude inlet]

check them after attempting to check for updates

if you go to the update page and reload using the icon in the upper right corner

there's probably a connectivity problem but 403 implies an authentication/permission issue

[regal gust]

I am attempting to change the DNS servers that I have static assigned. @crude inlet

shucks, doesn't appear to resolve connectivilty issue.

[crude inlet]

what does ha network info show?

and have you also tried restarting your router? especially if you hadn't made any other changes

[regal gust]

It shows the correct static IP and DNS

I do see a docker address..

I removed all the addons that used docker and I think I might try to uninstall that

[crude inlet]

there aren't any which don't use docker 🤔

You can't uninstall docker. It's how HA OS functions

[regal gust]

ah! then I won't do that for sure lol

[crude inlet]

@regal gust what DNS servers are you using?

[regal gust]

8.8.8.8,1.1.1.1

[crude inlet]

did you reboot after making DNS changes?

[regal gust]

yes

twice

[crude inlet]

ok and does network info show that the supervisor has internet?

[regal gust]

supervisor_internet:true

[crude inlet]

and what happens now with ha core update ?

[regal gust]

Processing......

Error: Version 2023.9.3 is already installed @crude inlet

[crude inlet]

ok so is it no longer showing 2023.7.2 within HA?

[regal gust]

correct

[crude inlet]

If that is up to date, you might next try updating the OS.

otherwise you have the latest version of HA now?

[regal gust]

I'm using the standard image from HA for OS. How do I update os?

I assume via command-line?

Thanks for all your help @crude inlet

[crude inlet]

@regal gust yes ha os update

[regal gust]

Looks like i'm now up to date

Home Assistant 2023.9.3
Supervisor 2023.09.2
Operating System 10.5
Frontend 20230911.0 - latest

Thanks again @crude inlet 🤟

[fallen flax]

For managing local ssl and distant dns ssl, it is better to use "NGINX Home Assistant SSL proxy" or "Nginx Proxy Manager" module in HA ?

[pale oriole]

can anyone help with proxmox install hassos

fairly new to it

[daring light]

Hello, i am now restoring my home assistant os from a backup(37mb) is it normal that it takes some time?

oke thx

its fixed

[patent girder]

Everytime i open HACS i dont get te buttons with the options: Interations Frontend etc. But i get a screen where i can again press on HACS and it shows me the github page. What am i doing wrong. Ive followed multiple guides.

[raven forge]

Can you share a picture? Also try the usual like refreshing cache, restarting HA and so on

[humble scaffold]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

[grand pivot]

They're crossposting in the HACS server, and they're just using "experimental mode"

[lime plover]

Today(after 4 months since I bought) my router Tp link Archer C6 gave up after adding 15 devices to DHCP. DNS is not working. Dropping WIFI connections very often. Did everything to revive it. Although I am able to connect to local devices but not the internet. Really thinking of going the route of PFsense. Anyone has any experience with pfsense?

[orchid venture]

Hey all. I am a complete newbie with HA and I have installed and set it up yesterday on a raspberry pi 3B. I have a few addons installed with one of them being zigbee2mqtt with only 2 devices hooked up. I noticed this morning that overnight the ram usage has been trending upwards with some spikes. The swap is also at 100% in addition to a few warning about high cpu iowait. Does anyone have any troubleshooting steps that I might follow to understand what's happening?

[raven forge]

Install the glances addon and check what uses the memory. It also supports pushing the stats to influx so you can track this over time via grafana

[orchid venture]

I have it installed but can't pinpoint what the issue is exactly

https://imgur.com/a/CbZbsyg

[raven forge]

Press Z to show processes. 1GB of RAM isn't a lot if you want to use addons.
The IOwait could be caused by thrashing or poor storage.

[orchid venture]

Yeah I realise 1GB is not ideal but was hoping to get away with it if I am not going to the extreme with the addons. WIll probably have to upgrade down the line

[orchid venture]

https://imgur.com/a/ZZQJYGB

[raven forge]

Which HAOS version is this?

[haughty comet]

Howdy all, I am having an issue with my HA install using the latest app on TrueNAS Scale that I'm not too sure how to fix. I am getting this error on startup of HA after a fresh new install... Any help would be appreciated.

[humble scaffold]

@haughty comet I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[orchid venture]

System: Home Assistant OS 10.5 (aarch64 / raspberrypi3-64)
Home Assistant Core: 2023.9.3
Home Assistant Supervisor: 2023.09.2

[raven forge]

I was confused because it shows zram and newer versions use zswap. Might be a glances thing

[fallen lichen]

Sounds like something else is bound to port 5353 (Plex, maybe?)

[haughty comet]

I did a fresh install and it seemed to fix the error, but I can't seem to figure out how to enable automatic discovery of items on my wifi...

[fallen lichen]

Is that the TrueCharts version?

[haughty comet]

No. It is the TrueNAS version that comes default with TrueNAS

[desert pelican]

Hi. Im currently using Home Assistant supervised, extensively using a few plugins (Zwave, Zigbee, ESPHome, etc). Is there a migration road to Home Assistant Core documented somewhere not too lose settings

and which functionalities i will actually lose after?

[raven forge]

Everything but core. Any reason you're migrating to core rather than HAOS?

[desert pelican]

Where to begin 😉

its temporary

long story short currently im using ESXi machine with three VMs, one is Windows for BlueIris, one is Debian for Home Assistant (and until now all other docker containers) and one is OMV

i want to go with OMV to bare metal

replace BlueIris with Frigate

and potentially set up HAOS as a VM running on OMV

already moved all my docker containers from Debian to OMV, except of Home Assistant Supervised

with my CCTV (BlueIris/Frigate) i can accept a downtime so thats ok

but with Home Assistant i simply cannot afford to have a day of downtime while i do migration

[raven forge]

I'd suggest keeping it virtualized. I prefer proxmox but use what works for you. I'm not convinced OMV is a good way to host VMs though. I'd migrate to HAOS directly. If you migrate to core you lose your addons

[desert pelican]

yeah, the thing is i cannot do it, unless i buy another server to use it temporarily. Right now i cannot run KVM in OMV as OMV is in ESX and im using PCI passthrough

[raven forge]

Can't you do nested virtualization? Not sure what else to suggest. You can take a core backup and use that with the docker installation. Extract and point /config to it.
Supervised and HAOS are the only methods that support addons: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/#compare-installation-methods

[undone helm]

Hi guys

I recently started with a fresh install

when I try to apply a backup, HA won't start

if I apply the whole backup except the configuration, it does work, but as soon as I try to update the configuration, it won't start...

how can I debug this?

[raven forge]

Install the advanced SSH addon or use a keyboard and mouse and run core logs and supervisor logs

[desert pelican]

yeah, nested will not work as i have pcie passthrough. But i will try to set up proxmox on an old Mac mini

[low notch]

Passthrough shouldn‘t interfere with nesting 🤔

[desert pelican]

i cannot enable " Expose hardware assisted virtualization to the guest OS" option in ESXi with PCIE Passthrough enabled (in fact it tells me to disable passthrough first when im trying to enable that option)

and without it i couldnt make KVM to run

[low notch]

That is a esx thing then

Wjy would you even nest?

[desert pelican]

because im trying to move Home Assistant (and other stuff) from ESXi to bare matal on the same machine, while minimising downtime (at least to HA)

but never mind, i will use mac mini as a temp machine

the bigger problem im facing right now is that i cannot make the backup on the old machine

not sure if this will be the good channel to discuss that though

[low notch]

yeah why not just use a backup?

what is the problem with that

[placid sage]

Everytime i open HACS i dont get te

[vital ibex]

Home Assistant Core Update has been showing "Installing" in HAOS for a while (~30 mins). Console is no longer outputting any messages - just stopped at the last one. Any advice? Should I let it ride for a while longer, or try to restart, or ... ?

[cursive skiff]

Hi, what router i should buy to support ~40 tuya Wifi devices. My home have mor or less 250m2 and i need 2 router.. What choice will be the best ? I have read about routers with MIMO but have no idea what other function of router i need to check to be happy after purchase ?

Ps. Now i have tplink AC1200 archer,.

[placid sage]

Core Update taking too long

[hot pumice]

update didnt work

i see takes very longtume

time

[placid sage]

hello all, I am new to home assistant. I installed it via proxmox. However, I cannot get into home assistant with the homeassistance.local:8123

[tender wren]

It should be http://homeassistant.local:8123

[hot pumice]

try to secure my webinterface with letsencrpt didnt work

and how to do

[placid sage]

yes, sorry, spelling mistake

[placid sage]

Hi, I installed HAOS on my Intel NUC, and Im stuck on Preparing HA screen for hours.
System autofix complete is the last line I can read on it.
When doing supervisor log, there's an error about "not a valid awesomeversion object".

Any ideas?

[ivory finch]

Hello, I try to install HAOS on Home Assistant Yellow PoE with Raspberry Pi CM4 8GB RAM, 32GB eMMC. Installation had a problem (LED blinked wrongly). Because the board doen't have HDMI, I bought a Waveshare CM4 PoW Board (B).

When I prepare an USB flash disk with Raspberry Pi imager, where I choose Home Assistant OS (Rpi 4/400). The installation just displays boot text followed up with splash screen "Welcome to Raspbery Pi Desktop".
boot text: https://imgur.com/yl5FZJq
splash screen: https://imgur.com/KbrOKRC
And then the screen get blank.

[tender wren]

Wrong OS

[ivory finch]

I used Home Assistant OS (Rpi 4/400). I updated the post

[crude inlet]

This is not a raspberry pi 4 board

https://yellow.home-assistant.io/

[ivory finch]

I followed the https://yellow.home-assistant.io/poe-nvme/ when using the yellow board. With waveshare I used HAOS (RPi 4/400)

[crude inlet]

You didn't choose HA OS for Yellow it seems. Not if it shows "welcome to raspberry pi desktop"

[regal gust]

MyQ Garage Door appears to be fixed with the Home Assistant 2023.10.0 🥳 Thank you

[tender wren]

As long as the CM4 is still on the Waveshare board, you can use the Raspberry Pi Imager to flash the "Home Assistant OS Installer for Yellow" (last option) to the CM4. After that put the CM4 in the Yellow and start it

Or follow Option 2 of this guide, if the CM4 is in the Yellow again:
https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/reinstall-os/

[ivory finch]

I used
for haos yellow:https://imgur.com/ipPIGc7
for waveshare configuration: https://imgur.com/JzB2K2h

[shrewd dirge]

I am planning on moving my HAOS into virtual machine and I was wondering which one is better? Hyperv, vmware, virtualbox or kvm?

[humble mirage]

Not running on Windows is good

[tender wren]

@ivory finch have you been using the CM4 with Raspberry Pi OS before using it in the Yellow?

[ivory finch]

Maybe. I have run so many configuration, I don't remember. Raspbian boots, HAOS not. I also flashed SSD directly (raspian works, haos not). I mounted CM4 with usb boot, similar results.

[tender wren]

The installer does not overwrite an existing OS.

Follow option 2 of the guide I posted before.

[shrewd dirge]

about that- my second is pc is being used mostly for quick edits for photos and watching movies or shows(overkill hardware 2700 and 2070 its the parts i upgraded from) in the living room and it doesnt get used often. I want to keep the functionallity of the pc but have my home assistant perform alot snappier because its currently running off in a pi 4.

[ivory finch]

Then this makes sence.
eMMc has probably priority before SSD. But why raspian boots and haos not?
I'll try that!
Thanks

[tender wren]

The installer is not full HAOS. It runs and installs HAOS (progress is indicated by LED patterns). On the second boot HA should be "visible"

You can also take a shortcut and flash HAOS directly with Balena Etcher instead of the Raspberry Pi Imager. (You still have to follow option 2 of the guide until it says to use the Raspberry Pi Imager).
The correct image (as of today) is: https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/releases/download/10.5/haos_yellow-10.5.img.xz

And remove everything on the SSD.

[shrewd dirge]

@humble mirage it should be fine.....? I can dual boot but eh-

[tender wren]

The HA host should usually be running 24/7, so dual-boot wouldn't work well.

[shrewd dirge]

vm on windows it is. :(

[final socket]

That second PC can't run some flavor of Linux, and then HA in a VM or Docker?

Ngl though, based on your description of that machine, in terms of power consumption getting a used sff PC or thin client to move HA to would probably pay for itself pretty quick.

[humble scaffold]

@lusty lagoon I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[lusty lagoon]

--2023-10-05 04:31:13-- (try:19) https://r
aw.githubusercontent.com/hacs/get/main/get
Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (raw
•githubusercontent.com) |2405:200:1607:2820:4
1::36|:443... failed: Operation timed out.
Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (raw
-githubusercontent. com) |49.44.79.236|:443...
failed: Operation timed out.
Retrying.

Please help c

Cannot install hacs

[vocal anvil]

i'm having a bit of problems with HA install on a rasp pi 3b+

its stuck 23-10-04 23:19:05 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.fixup] System autofix complete

now its just spamming this:
23-10-04 23:50:26 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.docker.interface] Updating image ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:landingpage to ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2023.10.0 23-10-04 23:50:26 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.docker.interface] Downloading docker image ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant with tag 2023.10.0. 23-10-04 23:50:26 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2023.10.0: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.42/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2023.10.0/json: Internal Server Error ("readlink /mnt/data/docker/overlay2/l: invalid argument") 23-10-04 23:50:26 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec

[fallen saddle]

Hey guys, I am currently running HAOS on a raspberry PI 2B which a friend lent to me while I'm waiting for the 5. My friend initially recommended me to install the supervised version on Debian on the RPI with aDocker container so I can run other software than HA. Is it difficult to import my current setup of HA to RPI5 and go for that route? I'm really new to all this

The reason I'm using HAOS on the RPI2B instead of Supervised is because I had a lot of issues while installing and it was not working. The HAOS image for the 2B works flawlessly in my current setup

I spent a lot of time finetuning my current setup that I'm not in the mood to do it all over again

[manic bane]

Don't do supervised
It is unsupported to run other software alongside supervised, supervised is just an advanced HAOS with the same technical limitations

You can easily transition to another HAOS instance though, just requires exporting a full backup then importing on the new device

[fallen saddle]

That's good to hear. What do you suggest I install on the RPI 5 so can I have full debian options to install other applications?

[manic bane]

If you want to go that route go container install
Add ons aren't important, they're glorified docker containers and you can easily spin them up in other containers

[fallen saddle]

So I have to follow this guide: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi#install-home-assistant-container but first I need to configure the RPI 5 with whatever OS and docker?

[rapid bronze]

Know anyone how I can install Hass in trunass scale ?

[magic hazel]

https://prnt.sc/DnLy40uuIz-L

once I have m,y micro controller I just install the firmware then press on that?

[desert pelican]

so i have a plugin which was making full backups every day. But when i try to download any of the generated backups, they all fail after downloading roughly 200mb

(according to the Backups page, they all have 700mb>)

[low notch]

wtf huge backups

anyway, you have something setup backwards

my backups are 25mb

[desert pelican]

its mainly influxdb - 686mb on its own

(the postgres database is on a separate VM)

[low notch]

well then transfer the backup with smb or scp

"backup", lol these ain't no backups until you get them out

[zinc raptor]

Related question to the above, and a straw poll for the knowledgeable:

I'm going to shuffle my homelab around. Right now, my HA is in HAOS, bare metal on a Pi. Backup concerns me, in particular speed of restore. And some fiddly bits I've heard like HA's inbuilt backup not capturing HACS.

I have sone spare hardware I can commission and want to run Plex on. I see a few options: (1) HAOS on its hardware, and add Plex in a docker; but that doesn't solve the backup issues. (2) Debian and Docker on the metal, HA inside docker, and manually spin up other containers for eg. MariaDB and MQTT. Means my complete HA install ends up sprad over a bunch of containers, all of which need to be backed up. (3) Proxmox on the metal, HAOS inside that, use HAOS to manage the "critical to HA" add-ons like MariaDB so they're all in one VM bundle. Install Plex in a separate Docker or an LXC. Easy backups & ability to migrate running HA. But could be inefficient? And feels overly complex. But maybe fun!

Any thoughts?

(my existing Pi HAOS install is also using SQLite on an SD card, and it's a "durable" card but I've still outgrown it as HA moved from a tinkering project to a critical part of my house. So it's important I get it off there.)

[zinc raptor]

That feels like hard-won experience talking... 😄

[humble mirage]

And some fiddly bits I've heard like HA's inbuilt backup not capturing HACS
Utter BS - wherever you heard that shouldn't be trusted

HAOS is also not a general purpose server, while you can run Plex as an add-on that's your worst option

[zinc raptor]

Ah! This is good news. Could be outdated data I read, I've been bouncing around a lot researching. One issue I saw used to be a problem was corruption of MariaDB images, but that got solved a while back, for example, I read the PR.

I currently have the Google Drive backup HACS plugin. So if I start over with that & a fresh HAOS install, am I expected to get everything back just as it was? (Yes, I need to test this for myself, but I'm wondering if there's any KIs.)

[zinc raptor]

Indeed, I only included that out of completeness.

I suppose a fifth option is to pick up an Optiplex and keep HAOS on bare metal on a dedicated machine. Good for segmentation, less good for my wallet.

[humble mirage]

Personally for me it's native Docker all the way - backups are easy

You're not me though - you do you 😉

[zinc raptor]

Rofl, fair 😄 As ever for us, the tension here is between "my HA is mission critical and must be as reliable as possible" vs "I want to tinker with my homelab".

Slightly unrelated, but part of this build will be Plex, and I'm reading some unfun stuff about mysterious failures of Plex hardware transcoding under Proxmox's containers. That's pushing me towards Debian/Ubuntu on the metal, and then docker on that, and then everything else in containers. I can break up my existing HAOS into a fleet of containers, and figure out any subsequent backup strategy for them as needed.

[humble mirage]

Personally I find native Docker 100% reliable - whether for home lab tinkering or large corporate systems

Then again, I don't go randomly doing stuff to my systems just because I read some article somewhere

[desert pelican]

how long a backup restore can take with 700mb backup?

its already spinning for a couple of hours

[humble mirage]

Depends on the hardware

Pi2 on SD card ... a looooong time
NUC with SSD ... not so long

[raven forge]

There needs to be a progress bar or something feedbacky

[rain oasis]

We know, it's coming 😉
We're working on it

[frozen glade]

After upgrading to 2023.10 I got this error sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (sqlite3.OperationalError) no such column: states.metadata_id when accessing the logbooks. Any idea of what it could be and how to fix it? I'm guessing some migration failed

[carmine drift]

I was wondering if anyone could answer this. I see that hass can be installed in a python venv but is there a way to not use WSL and just download python 3.11 and install it on windows?

I have a mini pc running a bunch of bots already and WSL2 is absolute shit when it comes to ram

[humble mirage]

You can, but it's not supported

Some things just won't work, and if you hit bugs you'll get zero support until you're running a supported install

[carmine drift]

Worth a shot I guess, I’ll just delete it if it doesn’t function the way I want

[quaint smelt]

If anyone is an expert on Ubuntu I have a few questions. When I’m trying to install it (try Ubuntu on USB stick) when the screen first pops up it looks normal…but once you click try Ubuntu, the screen is showing up blue, so much so that you can’t even see some stuff that’s on the screen. All the icons are there, all the settings and apps look fine…but it’s just blue!

I’m running this on a Lenovo think centre m73 with 4gb RAM

[humble scaffold]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

[undone pulsar]

@fallen saddle that's true as long as you don't want to use eg. Matter Addon. It relies on some HA OS specifics and pure docker installation is not supported (it's possible though).

[low notch]

what exactly do you lose by not having matter yet?
nothing for me actually

[fallen saddle]

RIght now nothing, but as soon as it starts lifting then all the misery will start

Right now I have

Smartthings acting as an edge router/Matter hub but my raspbpi 5 with a skyconnect stick is on the way and I want to disconnect the hub.

[fallen saddle]

Do you have any source/documentation on this?

[undone pulsar]

Well, the Readme of the matter server and some hints in issues for that repo 😬 https://github.com/home-assistant-libs/python-matter-server

[fallen saddle]

Well I guess since Matter is nowhere still right now, things might still change and our friends of the community will figure it out

I started 10 days ago with HA and a borrowed raspbpi 2B and it's crazy how advanced everything is, not the most user friendly but there are solutions around for every use case for your home.

[undone pulsar]

I just wanted to point out that a container install is considered a somewhat advanced installation method, compared to HA OS. And that there are things you may miss out on- be it user friendliness or ease of configuration.

Oh, and you said, you are going to get a RPi 5... iirc they said in the last release party that it is not yet supported by HA OS. Can someone confirm this?

[fallen saddle]

It's only being shipped somewhere next monht

@undone pulsar Thank you for your insights and explaining the things to take into consideration

RIght now I still don't know what to run aside HA on the new hardware so I can still go the HAOS route whenever official images are out.
I still have to figure out what I want to do with it.

[undone helm]

Hi guys. A couple of days ago I updated, didn't like, applied a backup and then everything broke. When installing the backup HA won't boot. I narrowed down the problem to a custom component. If I remove it, it works. How can I delete a custom component from a backup prior to installing it? modifying the yaml would do the trick too

any help will be appreciated

[fallen saddle]

@undone helm I'm not really an expert but what if you would open the backup archive in winrar and modify the files? Do you think the system would accept it?

[undone helm]

It won't :(. I event tried with PeaZip which is supposed to be able to modify tar files.. same result :(. I appreciate

[quaint drum]

So i am dowloading homeassistant OS, i have created my own home assistant on the web already, but the tutorial that i am following is using a container docker but i want to run it without it is tha tpossible?