hardware-archived

[south carbon]

Mine doesn't. Simple setup at mine.
I just ended up getting the nest and temp sensors

can't change which temp sensor to use on HA so I still use the nest app to choose the sensor. not a biggie for me though.

[cold moon]

Yes I’m curious how you tie in with a smart thermostat to a multi zone setup

I have and like the ecobee with no multi zone or variable speed

[little ibex]

Will Konnected use existing long range antenna for sensors or is it strictly wired?

[timid spear]

Browsing to buy some LED lamps to replace my current lamps. RBG seems like a nice option to add. I'm looking on having as much local control as possible (so if internet goes down I can still control my devices), what bulbs are recommended for that? Read somewhere that TP-Link Kasa allows you to do so but they dont exist anymore

[devout parrot]

Go Zigbee.

[timid spear]

I don't have a hub or anything. At least I understand I will need one?

[devout parrot]

You'll need a USB or POE Zigbee coordinator.

[timid spear]

Any recommendations? Seems like there a lot of options

[outer knot]

Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

[gloomy spoke]

And there's #zigbee-archived

[timid spear]

Thanks!

[runic pawn]

I am pretty new to Home Assistant. I’ve added most of my light bulbs to HA. But I have 4 Nanoleaf Essential bulbs that seem to not use wifi. I think they use thread? Or Bluetooth? I can control them in Apple Home. But I can’t discover them in HA. I’ve read now that they use Thread. Im not sure how that works. I have Apple HomePods. But they too are not appearing correctly in HA. They seem to be detected as Apple TV. So I can’t configure them. They ask for pairing codes. No idea. Based on this - how can I get those Nanoleaf devices into HA? Do I need some Thread USB stick or something? Im running HA in a Docker container. Maybe that’s the issue?

[devout parrot]

Homekit Controller integration

[runic pawn]

I can’t seem to find this integration. Im wondering if it’s maybe not available on HA when installed on a Docker container?

[devout parrot]

Nah it's a default integration
https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/homekit_controller/

[runic pawn]

This is all I have under Apple

[devout parrot]

Homekit Device

If the nanoleaf stuff is on your network and working, you delete it from apple homekit and then it should show up in HA

[runic pawn]

When I select that it tells me there’s nothing to add. I was hoping the HomePods would show up. But they all show as discovered. But when I try add them to HA - it just says Failed. It says that I may need to enter a PIN. But never get the chance to.

[runic pawn]

That helped! I removed the bulb from Home and now it shows up as a pairable device. But an unhandled exception occurs. The bulb has a QR code with 8 digits on it. But not in the format XXX-XX-XXX. Just two lines of 4 numbers each. If I enter them as 8 digits. Or in the format it asks, I get this error.

[devout parrot]

That's progress at least. Try rebooting the bulb.

[outer knot]

@runic pawn I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[runic pawn]

Oh. So reset the bulb?

[devout parrot]

Yeah kill the power or unscrew it and then try again.

[torpid minnow]

Hey, has anyone played around with bk7231n based Kogan smart plugs (the newer ones)?

[weak dust]

Need you guys opinion.
I managed to buy a bunch of Eve products for very cheap. For example, Eve Power strips for 25 euro each. Door sensors for 10 euro each.

However, they integrate poorly with Home Assistant. I cannot see the energy strips energy consumption. Also, those strips only show total for the whole strip and not individual plugs.

They do look very good though and basic functions work.

Would you resell them for more options or keep em?

[zealous dune]

Resell

[night lintel]

I want to upgrade all the blinds in the house. What brands do people use for home assistant

[fringe crater]

Lutron if you have unlimited money, or ikea if you don't care what it looks like.

[uncut badger]

The other option is powering the ones you already have in place. Like if they're using a bead chain, the aqara E1 motor workd pretty well.

or getting a tube motor to fit into a roller blind.

or the switchbot twisty robot for the ones with a twisting pole.

[night lintel]

Exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks

[night lintel]

No money lol!

[uncut badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoFEmsC4Epk

I've got mine on ZHA

(using a skyconnect)

[drifting ember]

Think it works with metal beads?

[night lintel]

I want something that can fit in the tube. I saw some on aliexpress for $45. Not sure if that would work.

[uncut badger]

I've not used any of the tube options, but maybe? Probably worth searching for reviews 🙂

as for metal beads, depends what's between them? If it's a cord with beads, or beads with a solid bar?

the cord should be fine, don't know about a bar

[drifting ember]

I think mom's has the bar

Like dog tag kinda chain

[uncut badger]

no idea how those will do. probably fine? But they have to go round a fixed diameter wheel

[drifting ember]

I wish her house wasn't 260 miles away else I'd pop around and check

[little ibex]

not really HA issue, but does anyone know why some Honeywell 3816 sensors (brand new) wouldn't transmit at all?

[drifting ember]

Doa?

[little ibex]

I've burnt through 3 of them so far if that's the case

[tall ermine]

Does anyone know any good wall heaters for home assistant

[tawny viper]

I have that one with metal beads

Or similar from Ali

[devout parrot]

Wall heaters? Like a radiant panel?

[tall ermine]

like a raditor but electric and works with Alexa or gooogle or home assistant

[gray ember]

Any recommendations for a good alarm system to work well in HA?

[devout parrot]

What country are you in?

[tall ermine]

uk

[devout parrot]

If you need professional monitoring and you're in the US or UK, I can recommend SimpliSafe. The integration, and the devs who work on it, is extremely solid, only time I've had it break it was SimpliSafe's fault and the devs had it fixed in maybe a day or so.

[gray ember]

more like hobbyist person and I'm not in UK/US

[tall ermine]

I ve found one and ordered it but just thought id ask in case its not good 🙂

[terse pebble]

As we are no mind readers, nobody can say if it is good or not

[hexed galleon]

Sooo

Tuya cloud or local

[terse pebble]

No Tuya?

[hexed galleon]

Right , but in this case I already have it

[terse pebble]

I'd go with local. But take this with a grain of salt - that's based on preference, not experience

[hexed galleon]

Issue here is that in my country there are no providers for zWave or ZigBee products or are overpriced
But there are tons of tuya products available

I try to buy everything in Amazon USA and bring it to ecuador but it takes its time lol

I bought a simply plug for backyard

[unreal oak]

Anyway easy to automate a three way switch like this with an ESP32 also with a physical switch of some kind in case of a hardware / HA failure?

[vivid idol]

two relays?

and uh... shouldn't that be in the "off" position?

[unreal oak]

It’s a remote Solar pump - I was hoping to have a replica switch at the house and farm office and control it over LoRa

[vivid idol]

i can only imagine that's simply changing between two different positive wires and energizing one of two circuits depending on which way it's toggled. is it high current?

or are those simply a low voltage control wires?

i'd add in a bypass switch to be able to choose between remote and local (manual) control

[wide cipher]

Any recommendations on zigbee smart plugs (UK) that connect to H.A (preferably out of the box)

[winged knoll]

Well, you need a Zigbee coordinator etc, but Innr plugs work well

[wide cipher]

Got one and thanks, will look into it

[heady glacier]

Is a Xiaomi power adapter with 5V 3A output enough to power a rpi 4 with 8gb and an SSD?

[winged knoll]

Use a powered USB hub to remove any risk

[raw gorge]

Hi. Are any of the zigbee chinese curtain motor compatible with Somfy rails?

[ancient iris]

https://www.tindie.com/products/esp32/esp32-temperature-monitoring-pwm-controller/

[rich venture]

what about it?

[fallen cove]

Trying to see if anyone on here has any info if there is any way to Integrate sentrol glass break sensor into home assistant. They are part of a home alarm system run by a concord 4 panel. I've seen there are ways to integrate the concord 4 itself, but look way more complicated then I think I could handle

Similar to this....I can't seem to find any model

[indigo bolt]

I have 7 thermostat locations in my house. can anyone recommend a thermostat that wont break the bank? as ill have to buy 7. I want to replace my dumb ones with something I can read and set via HA doesn't have to over complicated. Europe. any protocol

[outer knot]

Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

• Which country you're in
• What your budget is
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)

[serene stream]

I'm looking to buy some new hardware to run HA on, preferable something like a Intel NUC. The most consuming i would guess is Frigate, so i would like it to support HW acceleration for Frigate. I would also like it to run Plex at some time, but i'm not sure if you can get NUC's with GPU's that also support transcoding. I'm also not aware how important transcoding is, if there's only 1 local user. Any recommendations?

[winged knoll]

Frigate's own docs have hardware recommendations

[sweet flame]

I'm thinking about buying skyconnect. Any recommendations for zigbee door and window sensors and a door lock? Only devices which are working offline please 😊 Door lock should be like nuki, so i don't have to drill the door. If possible it should have 3 states locked, unlocked, opened. Opened because i have no door handle to pull down on the outside of my door

[winged knoll]

Well, Zigbee by definition works "offline"

#zigbee-archived can probably guide you better, but the Xiaomi Aqara sensors are cheap and work well

[sweet flame]

Ok, i will ask there

[sweet flame]

I will have a look on these devices, thx

[oak talon]

what is a good e-ink display? the Waveshare 7,5 Inch has some bad reviews

[winged knoll]

Keep in mind if you use HAOS you can't connect a local display to the computer running HAOS

(well, you can, but you can't use it for displaying things like that)

[oak talon]

there a some solutions for a ESP...
https://www.it-adviser.net/home-assistant-75-e-paper-display-waveshare-mit-esphome-ansteuern-wetterstation/

or this
https://community.home-assistant.io/t/esphome-waveshare-7-5-inch-e-ink-e-paper-display/399236/16

think thats enough for me

[glacial oracle]

Not very ha specific, bus does anyone know what's up with those dlink covr access points?

They seem to be -heavily- discounted

Which is suspicious

[drifting ember]

well you can to the GPIO if you're on a rpi

[graceful spindle]

Question about the aqara fp1 or fp2, is there a way to ignore a particular entity and only trigger on specific people? I would like to use this in the nursery so when my wife or I walk into the room at night a dim light will kick on. The issue I don't want to deal with is the fp2 picking up the babys presence and kicking the light on. Is this possible? Thanks!

[zealous dune]

no

closest to that is tweak zones with fp2 to detect only certain areas thus ignoring the bed area

[graceful spindle]

Okay well that certainly would work out then. Seems like a viable solution then for me

Is that feature pretty robust?

[winged knoll]

I'm not aware of any sensor that can tell people apart

[graceful spindle]

Yeah people specifically might not be needed but was trying to explain it easier. Obviously we are much larger than a baby so wasn't sure if there is a threshold of size or motion that could be dialed in with that sensor?

[zealous dune]

its not

let's say its around 90% but they're always updating firmware

[graceful spindle]

I might just be able to adjust the position of it to not even see the bed. I can mess with it. Might give it a shot. Is the fp2 significantly better than the fp1?

[zealous dune]

yes

[graceful spindle]

Thank you !

[fallow cape]

I don't know anything about either those sensors but using motion detector with motion zone exclusion might be a better solution (eg set the camera to ignore the crib)

but I would really think that if you 100% want to avoid turning on the light unless desired, use a physical button

push button like a smartthings button that you just need to bump when your hands are full

[mystic marten]

Should I keep my Home assistent on my rpi 4 8gb with 250gb ssd? Or choose for a intel nuc?
If so what intel nuc would you recommend? It must be future proof as well budget €300-600

[zealous dune]

are you satisfied with how its working on the rpi?

[winged knoll]

And what does "future proof" mean to you?

[devout parrot]

Basically any machine manufactured in the past ten years is probably going to be able to run HA perfectly fine for at least ten more.

[graceful spindle]

@fallow cape certainly can do a button, one issue with motion detection is the potential for it turning off while sitting around in the nursing chair. That (I believe) is the advantage to the presence sensors like the fp2

[mystic marten]

The loading times are getting longer. And want to get pihole and more as well

[formal scaffold]

Anybody ever tried to unlatch (not unlock) a door automatically? I have an inside door with springs to swing it open, but I'd love to unlatch it with a motion sensor so it just pops open as I walk up my stairs.

[mystic marten]

I believe it can better and faster

[zealous dune]

sure it can, especially with your budget. the question is, does it have to be?

[serene edge]

Hey
Which inwall light switches would you recommend?

[zealous dune]

that's an overly general question

[mystic marten]

hmm, Yea but i think i want to get frigate and piholl in the future aswell.

[merry onyx]

• country: State of Israel
• budget: about 15-25$ each
• What protocols you prefer: I can use either Wi-Fi or z2m, but I'm not an expert so I believe you'd know better.
• I need a smart switch to control bulbs (some are already smart bulbs and some are too many to replace, so they're regualr ones). What I really fancied was the Lutron ones, but they can't be delivered to my country, so anything good from either Amazon or AliExpress would be great for me.

[frigid kayak]

@cold moon I think we talked about this before but can't recall.. I have some smart bulbs that are useless if the switch is off.. Are there switches that can address this? Like, I want my wife to be able to use the stuff like normal (turn off/on via switch) but I want to be able to use it via HA.. Right now, I have a ceiling fan that I can control via HA (Tuya) but only if the switch is on (and similar scenario with bulbs).

[solemn meteor]

Holy moly, is it tough to pick/find a wall switch these days... So much product. Most of my switches are Lutraon Caseta, but I was looking to add a couple of simple non-dimming switches for my outside lights, and... wow. Not even sure where to start. Zigbee, ZWave, ESP-based Wifi to be reflashed with esphome?

I usually default to stuff I can flash with esphome, but try to find a nice looking, easy to use, north-american wall switch is baffling.

[cold moon]

Zooz zen71/76/77 with a zooz 700 series controller

Or inovelli blue if you want zigbee

[solemn meteor]

Hm... Amazon doesn't ship zooz from within Canada.

[cold moon]

Buy directly from thesmartest house site

Parent company

Also much cheaper that way

[solemn meteor]

Interestingly, they don't ship to Canada.

shrugs

[cold moon]

When you said na I thought you meant the us but I have a friend in Canada who buys their stuff so idk

@wild swift how did you get your zooz stuff shipped to Canada?

[solemn meteor]

Sorry, I accidentally clicked on an amazon.com link when looking up Zooz. Going to amazon.ca fixes that.

[cold moon]

i see

[solemn meteor]

Not much cheaper than the Caseta stuff, though.

[cold moon]

maybe not on amazon

they run sales multiple times a year, last one was july 4th with switches around $20 each

[wild swift]

Amazon

[cold moon]

ya he was using .com trying to ship to ca...

[wild swift]

Prices here are basically double

[cold moon]

sucks

[wild swift]

.ca

[tawny viper]

Also not cheaper, but I believe sinope is out of canada. They are nice. I got one of their switches sent to me by mistake

[cold moon]

i buy what's proven reliable and talked about often in #zwave-archived, the forums, and to an extent reddit

[wild swift]

Some things aren't available tho... Smoke detector circuit for example

[cold moon]

just because something technically works with zwave-js doesnt mean i'd put it on my mesh

[wild swift]

Zooz is god tier

It's all I use for zwave

Seriously. Can't stress this enough.

[tawny viper]

I hate to tell you, My inovelli Reds are awesome. I love them

[wild swift]

Bbl tho. Busy ATM

[cold moon]

https://github.com/zwave-js/node-zwave-js/issues/5471

[solemn meteor]

The zooz stuff looks good. If I didn't already have a housefull of Caseta stuff, I'd definitely consider it.

[cold moon]

some reading as to why^

[round bone]

I have motor for gate and motor for garage door.
I want to use both with https://allegro.pl/oferta/pilot-krispol-starcus-433-92-mhz-nowy-10570182617 (pilot is from garage) and Home Assistant, but I want to make connection directly to Home Assistant without cloud. I am confuse how to choose module to plug into motor gate and garage door.

another concern: pilots can have random seed and encryption etc. How can I know which pilot have it and which module will work with it?

Better buy 1x module for extra pilot + 1x for HA or some module which has 2in1 (pilot + HA)?

[round bone]

Which brand do you recommend?

[mystic dagger]

what's a good way to alert in HA? Looking for some sort of hwardware, maybe a lamp or light color to change to indicate a state. Ie. Garage Door open after 10pm at night and won't close type alert.

or doors ajar.

[junior basalt]

I like that question...I have been wondering much the same.

However I have (for me) a more pressing question....
Would you recommend using a new TP-Link Router Archer C50 AC1200 via an TPLink Integration or Flash it to OpenWRT (my original intent) and use the OpenWRT integration?

[drifting ember]

I personally flash every router I can

[junior basalt]

I agree (i think) with that on the basis that openwrt generally seems better than most commercial distos. In this case I would love to do presence sense via the cell ip of my children coming in and out. HA seems to support TP link in other devices so I wondered if it was necessary.

ie...turn their room lights off when they leave....

[drifting ember]

you can do that with a ping sensor

on just about any router

[devout parrot]

Yeah that's easy. There's also owntracks, I use that as primary and a ping sensor as a secondary means of presence detection for my kid.

[junior basalt]

Ah, I have much to learn, and so many rabbit holes to go down. Thank you both.

[winged knoll]

what s a good way to alert in HA Looking

[small snow]

Hello, I have a question: does anybody know or tried to do home automation using modular design? Each room has it's own control module for everything in that room (lights/switches for example) and it works independently from home assistant. This module exposes lights and switches to home assistant and lets also to control it from home assistant. The main reason why I would like to implement modular architecture is because it could work even if there is an issue with home assistant (maintenance, server hardware issues and etc.). Another reason is much less cabeling because all cables from one room goes to its coresponding control module not to some kind of controll room throughout entire house.

[winged knoll]

Well, that assumes you're cabling it all back to HA, which most people aren't

Also, if you're sensible enough to pick smart switches/dimmers rather than smart bulbs then light switches will continue to work as expected, even if HA is down

[small snow]

It is just in planning stage but I would like to go without smart switches and smart bulbs

Im just thinking about this kind of modular design if anybody tried and if there is a hardware for that

[winged knoll]

Well, design for what?

You said

Each room has it's own control module for everything in that room (lights/switches for example) and it works independently from home assistant.
which is what smart switches are, yet you say
I would like to go without smart switches

So... what's your actual goal here?

What else are you wanting to control, if not the lights/switches that you mention

[small snow]

As I imagine it could be an adruino board with lan port and additional relay/input board. You would connect switches and light bulbs to that extension board. With a the help of some coding it should be possible to make adruino turn on/off lights depending on dumb switches. I assume that is possible to expose those relays as smart bulbs to HA. So basically HA would control relays which are connected to Arduino.

[winged knoll]

That sounds needlessly overcomplicated, never mind the risks of setting fire to your house

Also, smart bulbs won't work wired to your arduino

[gusty sequoia]

what you're describing is a DIY smart switch, it seems to me

[winged knoll]

They're going to be WiFi, Zigbee, Z-Wave, Matter, or Bluetooth

[winged knoll]

With a non-zero chance of screwing up and sending mains voltage places it shouldn't

[rare tulip]

Hi. If I have a plan to purchase mini pc to run proxmox, then HA os, Plex, Transmission, Next Cloud and possible and maybe an ubuntu if needed some containers, then do I need to look for 32GB RAM, or 16GB would suffice?
P.S. Intel N100 max ram is 16 GB :/

[gusty sequoia]

Some folks do things like that with ESPHome, anyway, and that can be built to work with/without HA. But yeah, you need to know what you're doing and it's not for very much benefit, particularly compared to using premade products that are privacy-preserving and designed to work in the face of outages already

[small snow]

so better way should be for example: zigbee smart switch -> zigbee2mqtt -> HA ?

[gusty sequoia]

that would be a decent option, yeah

[winged knoll]

But, not one Z2M install per room, that'd be nuts

[small snow]

one install per floor or one install per 2 floor house with zigbee repeaters for better coverage?

[gusty sequoia]

one install/one overall mesh per house is usually best

[winged knoll]

Generally speaking your Zigbee mesh is going to be good for a couple of hundred devices, across quite a large area

[gusty sequoia]

if you're doing anything outside HA it's either going to be physical switches operating without network (which doesn't depend on any sort of modularity or mesh anyway) or it's going to be using Zigbee features that bind devices together independent of the controller [my terminology may be off, I'm less familiar with Zigbee specifically, but these sorts of features exist, I just don't know the names], for which you want everything to be on the same mesh to maximize the benefit

if you want things to work in a coordinated fashion with each other even when HA is down, the best thing you can do is get things within the same ecosystem (Zigbee, Z-Wave, or Matter, most likely -- wifi stuff is more likely to go by way of a central coordinator, I think)

[winged knoll]

binding is the Zigbee term, you're correct

Z-Wave has association for the same thing, but it's generally better supported. Unsure about Matter.

[small snow]

did not know about zigbee binding

thank you for the answers

[tacit burrow]

I think 16 would be fine. Better value with a used SFF box, like a Lenovo Thinkcentre or Dell Optiplex

[mystic marten]

What about this one ? https://www.bol.com/nl/nl/p/intel-core-i5-nuc-compleet-met-480gb-ssd-en-32gb-ram-10210u-1-6ghz-wifi-bluetooth-hdmi-thunderbolt-win11-pro/9300000127992400/?bltgh=oqGA657vUqoGA9qJu-NCew.4_17.18.ProductTitle

[uncut badger]

Overkill for HA. 🙂 Of course, overkill isn't a terrible thing.

[rare tulip]

SSD is too small if HA will be accompanied by plex media server and next cloud hosting 🙂
I wounder how much wattage it would consume when idling.

[mystic marten]

Oké so better to go to 2tb😂

[mystic marten]

I want to run pihole and frigate and zigbee2mqtt as containers (addons)

[uncut badger]

zigbee2mqtt isn't going to be heavy. pihole isn't heavy. frigate may be (depending on how many cameras, etc.)

🙂 That NUC will do a job at least.

[crimson tulip]

frigate is very heavy

1 or 5 cameras

unless you have a coral usb

then it's slightly heavy

[frigid kayak]

Anyone know the answer to this?

I saw the Zooz Zen71 has "smart bulb mode" but I dont know if that's zwave bulbs only? I want to be able to control my ceiling fan / lights even if the "switch" is off.. They aren't zwave or zigbee (they are Smart Life)

[wild atlas]

Not sure about that one precisely, but all the smart bulb modes I've seen in zooz and inovelli switches are to disable the switches internal relay so that you can use them with smart bulbs that should always stay powered

Though also on that note, all the smart bulb modes are optional and can be enabled/disabled

Also check the switch to see if it can support fans, some smart switches aren't designed to

[tawny viper]

There are smart bulb modes, but that doesn't mean that they are associated or bound

so I can have an inovelli red, (z-wave) in smart bulb mode, with a hue. They will need Home Assistant as the middleman, no association or binding, but there is still smart bulb mode

That is a big reason why people use Sonoff Mini or Shelleys. To place behind a switch. That is another option

[twilit mica]

Cheap weight sensor I can use for a litter box?

[drifting ember]

you mean like a scale? or a pressure pad?

[twilit mica]

I don't need to know the weight amounts, I just need it sense a state change when a ten pound furball walks into a litterbox, and when they leave. So similar to how a weight sensor for bed presence automations may work.

[drifting ember]

https://www.purina.com/petivity-smart-litter-box-monitor

something like that maybe?

[twilit mica]

Way overkill. I'm not trying to track their health, and raising the entire litter box by a centimeter would be bad for the current setup. I just need a little battery operated device I can slip under the litter box

[drifting ember]

then you're gonna end up in #diy-archived land unfortunately

[uncut badger]

https://github.com/markusressel/ESPHome-Smart-Scale something like this

https://github.com/IainPHay/ESPHome-bed-occupancy-FSR is another option.

[twilit mica]

I was thinking something more like this: https://smarthomescene.com/diy/diy-cheap-zigbee-pressure-sensor/

Extremely flat for the sensor

[zealous dune]

That's FSR

[twilit mica]

The "tall" hardware can be moved to another location so it doesn't have to raise the height of the litter box

[uncut badger]

the sensor mentioned in the second project 😉

[twilit mica]

Any off the shelf FSRs?

[uncut badger]

nothing I'm immediately aware of. as DIY options go, the esphome ones tend to be pretty simple.

the project you linked is certainly an option 😄

and the sensor looks to be pretty damn cheap

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003937958129.html

main concern is how much pressure is needed to trigger it

to reduce how much soldering is needed, a water leak sensor may be easier to use. Because then you just need to put the leads onto the terminals under it 😄

[twilit mica]

Maybe a trip sensor would be simpler for this use case? PIR is just not cutting it

Unsure of the name, but one device shoots light out a pinhole at a second device

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805196536112.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.60f64ae4a2rfZT&mp=1&gatewayAdapt=deu2usa4itemAdapt

This style. Any off the shelf photoelectric / infrared line sensors?

[hexed galleon]

how to track Water usage in house

I bought flume, but hell, it was not compatible ._.

[golden thorn]

Depends on your meter(s)

[zealous dune]

there's a new Tuya water flow meter but isn't tested

[golden thorn]

I currently use this but it's not exactly perfect: https://github.com/jomjol/AI-on-the-edge-device

[olive helm]

Hi guys. Can i reload skyconnect adapter in an automation ?

[zealous dune]

you can reload the integration that uses it

[olive helm]

Have been googling all day to find out how to reload zigbee home automation, cant figure out how to do it in a automation !

[gloomy spoke]

but...why?

[olive helm]

or skyconnect adapter

[zealous dune]

you cannot reload a hardware device

[olive helm]

because there is an issue thats all zigbee items dont response and only reload works

https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/93286

[olive helm]

i can do it manually here

[olive helm]

And i want it to reload automatically when its occurs

[zealous dune]

thats not the stick, thats the part of integration that uses skyconnect as the coordinator

[olive helm]

Ahhh sorry, but that part i want to reload in an automation ! 🙂

[zealous dune]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/homeassistant/#service-homeassistantreload_config_entry

[olive helm]

Ive have been trying that the past 2-3 hours, but no matter what i put in config entry id then it says error.. And i cant find the zha under choose devices

@zealous dune I found out how to do it. ive found the entry id in the linkadress and put that into the the automation and that worked !!! 😄

[olive helm]

https://MYHASS.duckdns.org:8XXX/config/zha/dashboard?config_entry=240c9467770963e50e34b27fdff5daba

[olive helm]

alias: New Automation
description: ""
trigger: []
condition: []
action:

• service: homeassistant.reload_config_entry
  data:
  entry_id: 240c9467770963e50e34b27fdff5daba
  mode: single

Thanks

[dense wave]

Are there any door locks that only tell you if it’s locked or not? Pretty much I want a dumb lock that I can tell if it’s locked or not remotely

I guess I could achieve what I want with a camera pointing at it from I side the house

[devout parrot]

I've seen some solutions that involve sticking a magnet to the end of the bolt and embedding the business side of a zigbee contact sensor in the door frame.

As small as the Aqara Zigbee 3.0 contact sensors are you probably wouldn't even have to mess around disassembling the sensor.
That only works for deadbolts though, if you've got a mortise lock, knob, one of those surface mount bolts or "jimmy proof " locks, whatever that's probably no good.

[rich venture]

would be cool to integrate that into a stairstep

[twilit mica]

Definitely, much better than motion sensors near stairs.

[white flicker]

Anybody know anything about 2gig edge panels?

Also is there a consolidated document that has everything I need to know to get setup? Just bought a new house and it has some stuff installed already in terms of security and automation. Would love to add to and integrate everything into one system without paying the company $40 a month to basically do that for me…

[tacit burrow]

"everything you need to know" on which topic? 2gig edge panels?
You can google same as us 🙂 There's a bunch of posts in the forums...

I assume you want to remove need for alarm.com

[white flicker]

Yeah I’ve been googling and getting to the hacs page. But didn’t know if everyone knew of something that outlines it all. And yeah. Basically remove the need for alarm.com and allow me to keep the installed 2gig panel to use to control things. And by everything I need to know basically, what can be integrate, how to use it with products like 2gig edge panel, alarm.com doorbell and plugin, etc

[tacit burrow]

🤷 Go read the forums, see what others are saying. I googled and read 1 post, where the person gave up.

[tawny viper]

Holy crap, I had no idea how much my harmony stuff is worth now. I completely forgot about my harmony hub.

[cold moon]

I never thought they were that interesting

Maybe I just didn’t have enough cool shit that needed a remote

[tawny viper]

I had a caavo, I beta tested it for a few years. my wife HATED IT. The harmony hub seems exciting with home assistant now anyway. Want to hook up my dozen old video game systems. But yea, I should sell those remotes. seem to be going for money.

[cold moon]

I feel that way about my old Pokémon cards

[tawny viper]

Those are alot of work to sell though, if you want to do it individually. my Magic cards went missing a long time ago

[tacit burrow]

I've got one of those zigbee cube thingies waiting for me at the post office now. Been there maybe a week. I guess it doesn't excite me.

[cold moon]

😢

[tacit burrow]

I blame SHS for knowing I have poor impulse control 🙂

[cold moon]

Well they’re neat in my eyes

[tawny viper]

I cant figure those out, the aqara cube things?

[cold moon]

What’s to figure out

[tacit burrow]

I'm sure it's neat. But my junk box is full of neat, also. 🙂

[cold moon]

You can automate endlessly with them

[tawny viper]

seems so confusing

which side is which

[tacit burrow]

Going to postoffice to pick up mail is a drag. They don't deliver here because I'm "rural". f**kers.

"Aqara Cube T1 Pro" apparently.

[cold moon]

I think that’s pretty cool

If I set it down on any side and twist left or right brightness changes 20%

[tawny viper]

You are not wrong, there is just no way i remember

[cold moon]

If I tap it twice the fireplace light goes on or off

I add things one at a time

[tawny viper]

hmm,

[cold moon]

And if I forget I look at the blueprint

I have them in multiple rooms doing the same thing in each room

So it’s not like I’m memorizing them per room

[tawny viper]

which is a must, yea

[tacit burrow]

The extent of my automation is (was, I broke it) "hey google, turn on the lights"

[cold moon]

Gross

Do better

[drifting ember]

🤮

[tacit burrow]

Now I have to find the pesky hue switch, and push a physical button. Seems backwards.

[cold moon]

What?

You moved to z2m remember?

[tacit burrow]

Yes, I got rid of the hue bridge, and connected the hue devices directly to my coordinator.

And the button triggers that Helper stuff in HA

[tawny viper]

the hue button is really nice, very small, like 30 bucks though

[cold moon]

Thought you were talking about the hue bridge button

[tacit burrow]

For some reason, one of my switches just quit working, so I had to switch everything to the other one.

Nah, the hue dimmer switch thingy

[cold moon]

‘Peskie hue switch’ doesn’t mean hue dimmer to me lol

[tawny viper]

oh, that crappy thing

[cold moon]

Mine work fine

[tawny viper]

wait, now im not sure what we are talking about

I am exited my inovelli blue's finally shipped today

[tawny viper]

from back order, 5 of them. I do really love the z-wave though. If it weren't the fact binding to zigbee bulbs, I'd get way more z-wave. on the home stretch

[tawny viper]

I have the perfect solution to this

[cold moon]

I have hue bulbs and zwave switches

[tacit burrow]

I think it's battery is flat. But it was new only a month or so ago.

[tawny viper]

get google to work again, then you don't need to fix it

[cold moon]

It’s fine unless hass dies

Then shits fucked

[tawny viper]

exactly, trying to avoid that

[cold moon]

Google bad mmkay

[tacit burrow]

It was brand new battery when installed, back when you helped me with the Helper stuff

The hue motion sensor has stopped reporting temperature for some reason. Lux and motion still work fine. 😮‍💨

That being said, it did report 2 million lux one day... 🙂

[cold moon]

Wonder if it sat in a container in Australia summer baking and fucked up

[cold moon]

I’d be tempted to return it

[tacit burrow]

Nope, it's sitting in my nice shady hallway

[cold moon]

Before you bought it dummy

[tacit burrow]

Never been above 25C I'd say

Yeah, temp used to work. Stupid thing.

[cold moon]

A shipping container

[cold moon]

If it’s not interference related and re pairing it doesn’t fix I’d say hardware failure

[tawny viper]

can you swap it with the other switch?

if the two are identical

[tacit burrow]

The failure is in different device - the motion sensor
Lux works OK, though id didn't for a few days.

[tawny viper]

oh ok, if you had a second of the same device, i'd swap it. I mean the other suggestion is just to buy more zigbee shit

build a stronger signal, :P

[tacit burrow]

It's about 20ft from two hue bulbs, which can mesh.

z2m says it's LQI is 58 whatever that means

[cold moon]

Rescaled rssi for z2m

[tacit burrow]

I might try removing and readding sensor from z2m. And/or device reset.

Not expecting Hue support to be much help, since I don't use "required" hue bridge

[cold moon]

Yea there’s nothing to support

But hardware failure is hardware failure

[tacit burrow]

Same temp is reported, even in mqtt explorer, so fault is in-device for sure

[cold moon]

Well if stuff pairs wrong that type of thing can happen

But iirc I already suggested re pairing and you did that before?

[tacit burrow]

Looks like it stopped working at the same time as there was a z2m update...

[cold moon]

Then check open issues

Do you have your tube coordinator updated?

[tacit burrow]

Yeah, I vaguely recall doing that.

[cold moon]

Well it’s not just a one and done thing

[tacit burrow]

looks like I've got the latest, https://github.com/tube0013/tube_gateways/tree/main/models/current/tubeszb-cc2652-eth_usb/firmware/esphome

./cc2538-bsl.py -p socket://192.168.30.51:6638 -evw CC1352P2_CC2652P_launchpad_coordinator_20230507.hex

[cold moon]

Nice

I actually just ordered one myself

[tawny viper]

Nice!

Poe? Obviously you didn't get the one I have

[cold moon]

Yea

It’s a new beta unit I’m gonna help test

Not sure if that’s public info so I won’t share specifics lol

I’m going to start fresh with z2m again cuz I need to secure my install with changing network_key from the default

I’ll also be changing pan_id and ext_pan_id which all require re pairing all devices

[tawny viper]

Ooooooh. Nice. Except for the repairing

[cold moon]

i'm also contemplating moving the coordinator from network closet to this wall

[cold moon]

yea it's like 54 devices..

[tawny viper]

You going to run both?

[cold moon]

no

[tawny viper]

So you can remove, then it just goes into pairing mode?

[cold moon]

i'm still not 100% sure what i should do

i know if i delete devices they will go into pairing mode (well, hue bulbs will, not my aqara stuff or hue motion sensors), but i am not sure what my best course of action is

[tawny viper]

I think you should test zha :P

[cold moon]

i can spin up another haos instance from a backup on another laptop or pi or something and slowly delete one device at a time

[cold moon]

i've helped people with zha before i think z2m is superior

[tawny viper]

I know

[cold moon]

there's nothing new to learn with zha that would change my mind, this was reccent

[tawny viper]

Was sarcasm.

[cold moon]

i will say this update brings some sanity to ZHA with hass events becoming entities

although frankly i still dont understand why they need to be events that then turn into entities instead of just being entities with like button presses in the first place

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2023/08/02/release-20238/#introducing-the-event-entity this

[tawny viper]

Z2m doesn't have ghsf issue?

[cold moon]

idk what that is

[tawny viper]

That *

[cold moon]

what issue

[tawny viper]

The entities, you said it brings sanity to zha

Implying Z2m was already sane

[cold moon]

i'll give you an example

stairs sensor is a hue motion sensor, when i want to automate on the motion sensor i automate on the state of "binary_sensor.stairs_motion" going from state clear to state occupied

to me that is very straightforward

i also find the general configuration of devices to be more intuitive in the z2m gui - especially things like groups and advanced config options via mqtt json commands (because they havent been built into gui yet)

[tawny viper]

And this is all I care about

[cold moon]

this is very straightforward and easy to manipulate - and any group you create gets a new entity name like light.kitchen_chandelier_group

there is also the z2m products page which you can visit and know right away if something is going to be supported, what you need to do to pair it, etc

[tawny viper]

And the map is useful

[cold moon]

i basically see no benefit to zha other than better onboarding and better default configuration for network_key etc

i like puddly and co and i'm glad zha exists i just dont think it's for me and i cant in good conscience suggest it to others given what i've said above

[tawny viper]

Oh, and if you are ocd like me, and don't like seeing that many things under an mqtt integration when they are really zigbee

Which is the dumbest reason on the planet. I'm aware

Idk, I've been thinking of a second device, transition to Z2m. Save the other stick for eventual matter

[cold moon]

Thread*

[tawny viper]

Yes, correct :)

[cold moon]

That shit is so confusing

[tawny viper]

Consumers will never get it

[cold moon]

Well based on what I’ve seen so far it’s already fragmented

Every fucking company just makes a matter bridge

[tawny viper]

It makes sense why they tried

I mean alot of consumers use wifi, and wifi matter is better then regular wifi.

[cold moon]

Idk I stopped trying to keep up

[tawny viper]

But I'm not super excited to switch. Why so my zigbee mesh can be weaker?

[cold moon]

In my eyes matter and thread don’t even exist for at least another year

[tawny viper]

I'd love my nest thermostat to get matter. That would be really awesome.

[cold moon]

I go out of my way to avoid google and amazon products regardless of fully local

Fire tablet is the only exception

Actually.. and nvidia shields

[tawny viper]

I know, and except for what I have, same.

I don't count that as Google

[cold moon]

Yea

[tawny viper]

Nice remote too. Re smart remotes. It controls what you care about.

[cold moon]

the shield?

[tawny viper]

Yea, I like the shield remote.

[cold moon]

i have the old gen that recharges, the battery old gen, and two of the new gen

the recharge one is cool cuz i 3d printed this little holder and it has a charger stuck in it

but the charge doesnt last long compared to the other two remote styles

[tawny viper]

It's impossible to open the battery compartment on the newer one

[cold moon]

nah it just slides off

[tawny viper]

I make my wife do it.

Idk, I can't. Lol

[cold moon]

you shouldn't have had to change it yet tho

those batteries last a long time

[tawny viper]

What did you reprogram your Netflix button to do?

[cold moon]

plex duh

i bought fancy stickers

[tawny viper]

I've had it for years

And yes. :),

[cold moon]

https://shield-labels.square.site/

[tawny viper]

Oooh. Link?

That's a good idea

[cold moon]

i only have good ideas

[tawny viper]

The Url is scary

[cold moon]

the only downside is that the backlight doesnt shine thru on it

[cold moon]

it's using square (the payment processor company) internal url

instead of redirecting to a paid domain

it's not scary

[tawny viper]

Ah.

[cold moon]

it's a guy from r/plex that posted years ago and then made a google forms and then eventually a site

iirc he works at a printing press place and his boss lets him do this with fancy equipment when they arent busy

[tawny viper]

Yea that's perfect

[cold moon]

they're not just cheap stickers

they're like fancy nice quality ones done on $100k machines or something

[tawny viper]

I'm going to bookmark that, yea, they look nice. I'll love getting rid of the Netflix button. I think I remapped one to input just to switch the hdmi on one TV too.

[cold moon]

single tap opens plex and double tap opens smarttube next

youtube minus ads plus sponsorblock basically

https://github.com/yuliskov/SmartTubeNext pretty much a necessity

[tawny viper]

Yea, single plex currently.

Is that based on invictus?

[cold moon]

idk dude

It’s very nice

[tawny viper]

Lol. I contribute alot to ytdl-sub.

[cold moon]

Tons of customization

[tawny viper]

Downloads YouTube, formats them for plex. Local. All metadata, no custom agents

If there are shows you watch, check it out. I think you use unraid, I made the template

[cold moon]

I don’t really download anything from YouTube

I pretty much only use it for this

I can check it out tho

[tawny viper]

Ah. And what do you use to control the shield?

[cold moon]

Control how

[tawny viper]

Yea, it's pretty good. I mostly download tone of you tube TV shows for my daughter. Lol.

[cold moon]

I have all my shields added to hass but I don’t automate much

[tawny viper]

Yea, same

Just as Android TV?

[cold moon]

And the secondary remote integration they split off

Which seems silly to me

[tawny viper]

It "feels" like it be easier to say "play this TV show" on "this TV"

[cold moon]

I have an automation for Plex play states for lights in my media room

[cold moon]

You can

At least with Plex

service: media_player.play_media
data:
  media_content_type: PLAYLIST
  media_content_id: "{ \"playlist_name\": \"Sleep\", \"shuffle\": \"1\" }"
  enqueue: replace
target:
  entity_id:
    - media_player.brandon_tv_plex
enabled: true
alias: Play Sleep Playlist

[tawny viper]

From looking at the docs, it looked like it was very complicated, and not terribly useful. Maybe I'll look again.

[cold moon]

that starts a plex playlist on my tv

[tawny viper]

But what if I don't know what I want to play in advance, that's my problem

[cold moon]

the only downside is you can only do it as the server owner's account cuz that is what is added to hass

[tawny viper]

Yea, that's fine for me.

[cold moon]

and if you play it on a shield logged into another account their dashboard shows your shit cuz it auths with their token i think

i dont really understand the why

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/plex/#examples

[cold moon]

you can do stuff like this

so like.. if you have a scene or automation for "cooking" in the kitchen, then your kitchen tv could play the next unplayed episode of masterchef

or w/e

and you can do multiple shows

like masterchef or chopped or whatever

https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/87037

example there

[tawny viper]

I can see that. Or my 1.5 year old it's a Playlist of same shit

[cold moon]

yep

[tawny viper]

I think initially I was looking at it for music

And basically went this ain't gonna work for my 53,000 albums lol

I guess I could program some favorites

[cold moon]

https://dpaste.org/PTcud this is my plex automation for my upstairs tv

it ignores music but otherwise will turn lights on/off in the room based on play states

[cold moon]

or do like this

[tawny viper]

Yea, one of my favorite ones. Is after 10pm, but before 4am, when the TV is turned off, it waits five minutes before killing all the lights and turning on the sound machine

Ooh, having a button to activate the find remote of the shield would be good. Lol. But yea I'll give plex another look

[cold moon]

I want a smart toothbrush so I can automate my sleep routine

Instead of having to push a button like a pleb

[tawny viper]

Phillips Is the way to go

[cold moon]

I already have the button setup dude

I use a zooz scene controller

[tawny viper]

Ahhh

I meant Phillips toothbrushes BTW

[cold moon]

It’s a cool 5 button switch

Oh my soniccare died and I couldn’t afford a new one

I have a cheaper version now

[tawny viper]

I'm the son of a dentist. I know more then I want too.

[cold moon]

Lol

[tawny viper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/114liw3/another_toothbrush_automation_that_is_completely/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=5&utm_content=1

Ooooh.

And thank you, my wife going away with kids next week. Maybe I'll give the plex another go. I think I dismissed it early on for not being able to handle my 10% of the time requests. Which is short sighted.

[cold moon]

10% of the time?

[plain wharf]

Hi guys, are Yolink supported by Home Assistant?

[tawny viper]

Like, the integration would be useful for 90% of my life, I dismissed it for my one off cases, 10%

[cold moon]

That’s hard to track lol

[tawny viper]

I was looking at this last night it seems yes, but not local?

Unless I saw outdated information

[tawny viper]

Basically, thank you, I'll look into plex again. Lol

[plain wharf]

I have no idea if local or cloud unfortunately. Just saw a video talking about great stability, but also a different protocol I never heard of before

[tawny viper]

Well Lora is it's or protocol, that can work with openmqttgqteway etc

[cold moon]

Well I can tell you I have no idea what yolink makes but they aren’t on my radar so I can safely say they aren’t the best

[tawny viper]

Cloud based lorawan

[cold moon]

Ugh

[tawny viper]

Which seems oxy moronic to me

[cold moon]

I understand the use case for companies to want a giant network of repeaters

Still gross

[plain wharf]

Ok. Then I'll look for something else, not an issue 🙂

[tawny viper]

I was reading the forums. And they had talk of local only.

[cold moon]

It’s just skynet irl

[tawny viper]

@plain wharf check out openmqttgateway

[cold moon]

Well if you need lorawan maybe they are good, I thought we were talking smart home stuff lol

Tangential maybe

[tawny viper]

From what I read. They are Lora targeted to smart home

[plain wharf]

lol! Yeah, I certainly don't need another protocol

[tawny viper]

Easy to use

[tawny viper]

Awwww, but I gave a lorawan pihat in my Amazon cart

[cold moon]

Do you need multi mile something?

[tawny viper]

My mailbox actually

[plain wharf]

Here's the video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrYZtEKiv6Q

[cold moon]

Mine works good with just zigbee but it’s not that far away

[tawny viper]

But I think if rather dig it up and lay cat6a the entire way.

Mines far.... Very far

[cold moon]

Sounds expensive

[tawny viper]

Hence looking at Lora

But I'm probably going to wait. Fiber company is here, and they will need to dig to my house from the road

[cold moon]

They’ll probably let you bury shit in their trench

[tawny viper]

So my plan is to sweet talk them into laying an additional cat6a for free

[plain wharf]

But with Matter coming... Would it be wise to expand to yet another?

[tawny viper]

Yuuuuuuup

[cold moon]

I’d at least bury two

I assume it’s not worth the cost to buy Smurf tube

[cold moon]

Forever coming…

What’s the use case?

[tawny viper]

Idk what they would use.

[plain wharf]

True

[cold moon]

I’m talking about conduit for your 6a

Idk how that’s gonna work after 100meters either

[tawny viper]

I agree on two cables though. Especially if I want some poe lights along thar distance

[cold moon]

Maybe like zwave long range

With just a sensor

[tawny viper]

I was thinking about that. Really strong rf would maybe get there

[cold moon]

Idk I’m not a radio guy

I think ham dudes are nuts

[tawny viper]

Me either. And I do have zwave already

I was thinking when a solid 800, comes out that should do it

My mailbox is plastic too. So that's good.

[tawny viper]

Yea, they have their own license plates and everything

[cold moon]

The issue with 800 series controllers is not being able to trust the stability of the controller firmware

And zjs not supporting lr and I don’t expect that to come anytime soon

[tawny viper]

That's a true good point. LR doesn't matter

[cold moon]

?

[tawny viper]

Although, zero issues with my 800

[cold moon]

It does matter for your use case

[tawny viper]

I mean, the hardware doesn't matter, if the software doesn't support it

Plus, I have enough other projects, while I wait on the fiber company. Although that one seems fun.

[cold moon]

That’s not necessarily true. Have you looked at debug level logs over a multi week period of time?

[tawny viper]

I have not

[cold moon]

Yea so stuff could be going on that you are oblivious to

[tawny viper]

Very true

[cold moon]

But as long as the light switches work you’re not noticing it

For 700 series there was a bug that took like 2 years to fix

[tawny viper]

Although, my zwave mouse trap caught a mouse! That was exciting

[cold moon]

So I’m wary of 800 and Al has backed up my suspicions and said he agrees with my logic so I continue to share

[tawny viper]

Way better then zigbee so far. Haven't experienced a single issue.

[plain wharf]

Cool, which one do you have?

[tawny viper]

I think your logic makes sense BTW

[cold moon]

Yea

[tawny viper]

There is no reason to get an 800

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Elexa-Dome-Z-Wave-Smart-Electronic-Mouse-Rat-and-Rodent-Trap-DMMZ1/300499965?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&srsltid=ASuE1wRkHfIXEjQw3t05nfohx7Wm1t_ZMRqxs876JHVB1ZbBFYXCrQULWkk

I have a nice notification just to me (not my wife)

[plain wharf]

i can imagine. Don't have rodents here luckily, but always good to know what works

[cold moon]

Does that pair as zwave plus?

I can’t imagine it’s s2

[tawny viper]

Lemme check. I think it's plus

[cold moon]

Yea older

[tawny viper]

I live in the woods. We have bear problems. Lol.

[cold moon]

Pretty cheap tho

[tawny viper]

It was that or cloud wifi

[cold moon]

Yea I forgot those even existed

My cat donates mice to me

[tawny viper]

And it worked, which is important. You know, it caught a mouse

I have a Yorkie, although it's the reason her greed exists. She doesn't care

[cold moon]

Cat brings me squirrel 🐿️ or rabbit 🐇 too which isn’t cool

[tawny viper]

Our Yorkie who passed was pretty good at getting them though.

Hopefully cat didn't kill the squirrel or rabbit

[cold moon]

He eats them

[tawny viper]

Impressive cat

[cold moon]

He was a wild cat and I saved him and treated his eye and eventually he started acting out til I let him outside. So now if it’s not too hot or cold I let him out or keep him in the garage. I wish he didn’t go after them but I can’t stop him

[ionic olive]

about to test USB to ethernet extension cable for a ZigBee adaptor 🤞

I have 5 of them from China they were on sale for a few dollars each 😅

if it works I'll move my PC to the garage as well

keyboard/mouse and audio

I'll just need a display port or HDMI extender then

[mystic marten]

I can buy this pc cheap . Can i use it for Home assistent with docker containers for frigate,pihole,mqtt, nodered ect. Does this look like a good pc for it? The price is 250€. And is this future proof as well so that i can use it for the next 5-10 years ?

[ionic olive]

this works 👍

very nice solution to an annoying problem

I didn't want to move the home assistant server into the house because it's noisey

[winged knoll]

Knowing the actual CPU would help us help you, but it should be fine depending on how many cameras in Frigate

[ionic olive]

but most of my ZigBee stuff is in the house and I can use a hub for sonoff devices in the garage (less of them)

[mystic marten]

CPU on site only said 2gen

[mystic marten]

I think max 5 cameras I have 2 now

[mystic marten]

Sorry 😢😂

[winged knoll]

Five should be fine, depending on your settings and CPU

[mystic marten]

And adding a coral? I still have one somewhere

[winged knoll]

Well, yes, I assumed you'd be using one

[zealous dune]

Buying a CPU 8 gens behind the current is in no way future proof

[pallid panther]

So if I buy a beefy Nvidia gpu for my HA server will the plex addon use it?

[oak talon]

what is the easierst to get the temperature from a ESP32? (wifi)

[winged knoll]

The #diy-archived channel has people that can answer that

[tawny viper]

Or even better esphome discord

[winged knoll]

Assuming they're using ESPHome - they may not be

[tawny viper]

Very very true :)

[wild atlas]

4th gen cpus are over 10 years old now, if you want to use it for the next 5-10 years, you'll be looking at 20 year old hardware running 24/7, not saying it can't last that long, but it may be a stretch for the motherboard. Both of my older systems of that generation burned out the network adapters on the motherboard and audio on one of them.

[burnt heart]

Hi All, my Raspi/Home assistant crashes every now and then. I would say roughly every 3-4 days. What should I do to properly analyze this behavior? What information would someone need to assist me

[winged knoll]

What's your install method, and what kind of Pi?

[burnt heart]

It's a Pi 3 B, HA is on the SD Card

[cold moon]

Buy better gear

[winged knoll]

I'd start by questioning the power supply, particularly if you have anything connected to the USB ports

[celest holly]

Is something like this ok to get started with? It seems significantly cheaper than a lot of the Pi or other ARM systems, and less DIY in the sense that it comes with a case and everything... https://www.amazon.com/Ubuntu-Desktop-Computers-Bluetooth-Type-C/dp/B0BD5C92CG/

[cold moon]

Yes but I’d probably buy a used m910q off eBay for the same price instead

I’d have to compare cpus

[golden thorn]

That linked one has a pretty shitty CPU

[cold moon]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385670237223 this is one option

[celest holly]

Is HA pretty CPU intensive?

[cold moon]

No but addons can be

[golden thorn]

I would't recommend a T CPU either

[cold moon]

you've said that before and i dont agree. your argument for them using more power when they use on average around 10W isnt very convincing

lots of people use and like the m910q, m710q, etc with that cpu

[golden thorn]

I don't think I've said that: #hardware-archived message
I just don't think using a permanently artificially limited CPU makes sense for our use case especially if you can get a machine with the normal one for the same price.
Bang for buck and that.

[cold moon]

you just linked to a comment after editing said comment lol

you do that a lot

[golden thorn]

I did not edit that post recently. Hover over edited at the end. I edit my posts to add more information or make them clearer to read as that's important to me. I just happen to be scatterbrained so that happens a lot but thanks for the accusation. Very disappointing

[celest holly]

Heh, I do that a lot too, where I refine something I wrote a few times after rereading

[cold moon]

https://www.derekseaman.com/2023/06/home-assistant-proxmox-ve-8-0-quick-start-guide.html this is something a lot of people have been doing with mini pcs to run haos or hass docker container alongside other things

[magic raptor]

Hi community, I have some doubts, I would like to use some commercially tested light switch that is compatible with home assistant, and can be isolated in network, something very modifiable, which light switch models are the most recommended?
Or maybe light switchs with esp inside.

[outer knot]

Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

• Which country you're in
• What your budget is
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)

[winged knoll]

Personally I'd recommend whatever Zigbee is available in your country

[magic raptor]

Does Zigbee needs usb adapter or receiver? like z-wave?

[winged knoll]

Yes

But it solves your "isolated" requirement

[magic raptor]

Thank you so much Tinkerer.

[winged knoll]

There are lists of known working hardware in #zigbee-archived - but ask before you buy something so that you don't buy crap

"working" and "working well" are different

[cold moon]

Also Wi-Fi devices don’t really scale well when controlling many at once

Zigbee and zwave with multicast and groups are designed for it

[magic raptor]

Hey Tinkerer last and quick question, using Zigbee needs internet connection to work? Like a cloud service or something like this?
My Idea is to have IOT inside an isolate network no internet connection, only working locally. With Zigbee can I archieve this? Or I must flash any custom firmware?

[cold moon]

No..

It’s a protocol that talks to the coordinator locally

Whether you then expose home assistant out wan for remote access is up to you

[winged knoll]

Zigbee is 100% local, no WiFi, no Internet, no Cloud

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zigbee

[magic raptor]

Awesome, thank you so much. Now is clear to me.

[burnt heart]

It's a 5,1V 2,5A Power Supply, there ist nothing connected to the USB ports. Raspi is connected via LAN.

[cold moon]

@jolly bane what country?

If us, hue zigbee plugs are good but no power monitoring. Cheaper options with power monitoring are third reality

Innr are also suggested

I am a fan of the sonoff s31 plugs flashed to esphome but that’s Wi-Fi. I don’t have issues with their connectivity though

[drifting ember]

what are those sonoff s31 rated to anyway?

[cold moon]

15a but it's made in chyna by chyna

i'd expect them to get melty before 15a sustained load

i basically dont trust any of the smart plugs except hue to be able to do what they're rated for

[drifting ember]

well they'd prolly trip my 15a breakers first

[fringe crater]

no, breakers will not protect your 15a switches. they protect the wires in your walls from bursting into flames, but that's about it.

[wild atlas]

Might be a joke about breakers not meeting their ratings too

Certainly have had some that pop at any odd look

[fringe crater]

Perhaps, but just want to be cautious when discussing flamey-things 🙂
Not an electrician, but it's my understanding that a 15A breaker could run for like an hour at 20A without tripping, or even for a full minute or two at 30A.

[wild atlas]

Oh yeah, they don't pop at anything over the rating, it does take some time

GFCI breakers can give you extra protection though

[cursive kernel]

what are some good zigbee (using zigbee to mqtt) wall switches for lights that are for the US market?

seems like a lot of zigbee stuff is for 220v

[fringe crater]

I guess it's probably Inovelli or nothing.

[cursive kernel]

really that's the onlyoption? wow

[fringe crater]

well depends by what you mean by "good"

[cursive kernel]

other stuff is unreliable?

[fringe crater]

I mean you can probably get a GE switch that works, but it doesn't have a lot of features.

[cursive kernel]

well I mean its a light switch

I just need to turn it on and off

how many features is a light switch supposed to have? 🤔

[wild atlas]

If it's like the ge zwave switches, you wouldn't want to trigger an automation with it, they are very slow to update states, somehow much faster to accept a command than return a state

[fringe crater]

Multi-tap support, smart bulb mode, etc.

[oak talon]

what means:
[20:51:27][W][dallas.sensor:261]: 'PoolTemp' - Scratch pad checksum invalid!
[20:51:27][D][sensor:094]: 'PoolTemp': Sending state nan °C with 1 decimals of accuracy

[cursive kernel]

yeah I'm only intersted in using automations to turn on my porch lighting

[fringe crater]

I guess anything is probably fine then

[cold moon]

unreliable aka chinese designed AND manufactured - so trusting that @ mains voltage isnt something i suggest

[fringe crater]

I assume GE has to be safe enough. I know they aren't what they once were, but at least it's like UL listed.

[cold moon]

ge/jasco/enbrighten is a bad word in a lot of people's eyes especially for light switches + zwave

for the price i would much rather suggest either inovelli for zigbee or zooz for zwave

[fringe crater]

well they had the bad caps episode but I believe that's been resolved now.

[cold moon]

they're also not very good about firmware updtes comparatively either

[fringe crater]

well when you don't support anything other than "on" and "off" you don't need firmwares 😛

[cursive kernel]

^

[cold moon]

you link me a ge/jasco/enbrighten light switch and i'll link you to a better version made by inovelli or zooz

[fringe crater]

but yes inovelli is obviously better, though expensive.

[tawny viper]

Sinopé, but I'd suggest going inovelli. Lutron has like 1.

Binding and smart bulb mode make inovelli the winner among other reasons. The super cheap tuya switch work fine, I have a couple in my garage where I don't care.

My daughter has this, it serves the purpose. https://www.zemismart.com/products/zm-h2

Zigbee version though.

[drifting ember]

now that would be handy

[tawny viper]

Nice pun

I mean a sonoff zbmini works too. If you want to do that. And don't care.

Better to buy that then a cheap tuya switch for 10 bucks

[devout parrot]

I've got a couple ZBMINI-L2s and they do what I need them to. Probably upgrade to something nicer when I eventually upgrade the light fixtures in those spots though.

[tawny viper]

Yea, if you like your switch. With those It would but me the physical on off not being in sync

[sleek folio]

I think on the home assistant podcast I heard about a smart plug that also functioned as a zigbee extender. Anybody know how to find devices like this?

[winged knoll]

That's any Zigbee smart plug

[sleek folio]

I'll take your word for it, thank you for dispelling my worries haha

[cold moon]

if you tell us where you are (like the us) we can give specific recommendations

[sleek folio]

yes, I'm in the US

[cold moon]

and if you need power / energy monitoring

[tacit patrol]

Anyone know how to integrate a Citation One Mk3? Its a smart speaker that is intended for Google Home.
The booklet claims that its open source, however the mail and webpage doesnt exist

[winged knoll]

Innr are good

[cold moon]

thirdreality zigbee plugs are getting popular and like he said innr have been good to people

i'm not sure if those have power monitoring options tho (innr)

hue zigbee plugs are good but frankly overpriced and do not include power monitoring

but as a repeater i'd trust it (i own one and like it)

[sleek folio]

I currently have wemo plugs and looking to replace those so power monitoring is a nice feature but not required

[cold moon]

i see

are you sold on zigbee?

i have and like my zigbee mesh as well as zwave mesh but for energy monitoring plugs i use sonoff s31 wifi plugs flashed to open source esphome firmware

[sleek folio]

yes I have zigbee lights already but the ones far away (in my bedroom) don't always receive commands

[cold moon]

ah cool

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BPY5D1KC/ i'd buy this 4pack then

[cursive kernel]

anyone using lutron switches? how are they working with zigbee

[winged knoll]

#zigbee-archived can better talk about Zigbee devices

[cursive kernel]

I'll ask again there

btw are there any recommendations for spacing zigbee/zwave/etc hubs for best performance? I only have 1 hub right now, but I wonder what the required spacing is like between antennas.

[winged knoll]

If they're likely to interfere give them as much room as you can, one to two meters is good

[uncut badger]

Wifi and zigbee are on the same frequency (2.4). Zwave is a different range so likely won't be a problem.

[clever hare]

In addition to physical distance it's also important to select non-overlapping channels within the 2.4GHz range. I have my wifi on channel 1 and zigbee network on 25

[drifting ember]

ahhh, channel 1, the most congested channel usually 😄

[cold moon]

maybe he lives in a tree

[clever hare]

yeah I did a scan in my particular environment and that's why I chose it. In my last place 13 was the best for wifi so I had 11 for my zigbee network

[cold moon]

i use zigbee 25 and have my channel 11 2.4ghz wifi AP furthest away

technically you want a zigbee environmental scan

[drifting ember]

hence why I said "usually"

[cold moon]

but wifi is usually sufficient

[drifting ember]

I wasn't saying you didn't know what you were doing, just it's most common for that to be the most used

[cold moon]

word

i see a lot of 11 tho

and new-gen ISP devices are auto-rotating

[drifting ember]

my area is full of 1 and 11

[cold moon]

they do a scan overnight and jump

[drifting ember]

yeah I know

[cold moon]

or worse- mesh just shitting over everything

channel 4? fuck ya! lol

[drifting ember]

yes there are at least 4 mesh systems in my neighborhood

[cold moon]

you hate to see it

[drifting ember]

and they are fucking terribly misconfigured

[cold moon]

word

[clever hare]

yeah didn't mean anything bad by it, just wanted to clarify that it varies

[drifting ember]

but oh well, won't matter to me for much longer when I get my LTE SIM

😄

[drifting ember]

yah man it's all good, was just clarifying

[cold moon]

double clarity

[drifting ember]

sometimes text can come off the wrong way, and apparently I get mistaken for being mean 😛

[clever hare]

I haven't had to deal with mesh interference myself - living in a small apartment so pretty much any basic AP will cover the whole apartment

[cold moon]

ya you're bad at it

[drifting ember]

im going to setup a sat dish with wifi and blast the neighbors

[clever hare]

although the bad part of course is too many basic APs hopping all over every night, it's probably the same as mesh

[drifting ember]

what can i say the truth often hurts, and the messenger gets punished

[cold moon]

just download a deauther tool

i mean la la la la

help fix it for them

[clever hare]

I didn't know there was a tool, but I have done it manually years ago 😅

[drifting ember]

oh as soon as I find the neighbor with the 2 open networks I'm gonna have a word with them

[cold moon]

ya we call him krazie

oh you meant for wifi

giggle

[clever hare]

lol

[drifting ember]

I'm more a multi-tool than a single purpose tool tho

im like a leatherman, or swiss army knife

[cold moon]

https://github.com/topics/wifi-deauther

there are SO many crazy github repos for self-pentesting only

[clever hare]

On top of the 15+ networks visible from my place, one of the providers has their "free wifi for subscribers" which they usually blast on a different frequency, so 5 subscribers = 10 different networks.... nice

[cold moon]

lol

[clever hare]

It's a nice concept to be fair, but it can create so much noise in crowded environments

[drifting ember]

yeah someone in the neighborhood has a mesh setup, open and doesn't work.... 6 f'kin repeaters too

[cold moon]

i just added my fourth access point..

but mostly cuz i have too many damn wifi devices and airtime fairness is a bitch

unifi controller was bouncing shit from AP to AP

[drifting ember]

I have 3 but I have 2 unplugged rn

so just using the nighthawk x10 atm

[cold moon]

i need to hardwire all my pis

[clever hare]

I'm wondering if one of those RF blocking films that you can stick to windows would make enough of a difference in a house/apartment

[cold moon]

nah dude

shit is coming through the walls

[clever hare]

yeah probably

[drifting ember]

just use chicken wire and make a faraday cage

[cold moon]

definitely*

i've got a couple of wled instances...

[clever hare]

We had those films in one of the buildings I worked at that had glass from top to bottom and the AP was maybe 2-3 meters away from the window, if you go on the other side, you had 0 wifi signal, I was impressed

[cold moon]

radiation patterns yo

[drifting ember]

what time do you leave the house yo? and what room the portable AC live in ?

[clever hare]

Haven't read much on LiFi, but it could make a huge difference in crowded places from what I've seen so far

[cold moon]

leave the house?

[cold moon]

?

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/wireless/what-is-ofdma.html this is the future

[clever hare]

in terms of interference from neighbors

[drifting ember]

I think that's only in 802.11ax not 802.11ad

puts on his nerd hat and reading glasses

[clever hare]

ax =6 right?

[drifting ember]

it's one of the 6 standards

802.11ad is an older version

it was ratified right before ax

and i was right it's only in 802.11ax not ad

sadge

[clever hare]

once they did the renaming thing I kinda stopped keeping track of the letters 😄

But I am more excited about 7(.11be)

[cold moon]

7 is still an RFC i think

[drifting ember]

well imagine how I feel, I've been using it since 802.11a

[cold moon]

most devices dont even support 6e...

[drifting ember]

lmfao

[clever hare]

huh... apparently there are available LiFi devices now that I did a quick search https://lifi.co/lifi-products/

[drifting ember]

I was living in Sweden working for Ericsson when they were testing wifi (above 11mbit)

[cold moon]

sounds like marketing bullshit

LiFi is the answer to our digital future

[drifting ember]

and up the hall were the bluetooth nerds and their lab

[clever hare]

ah no that's just the first link I saw so I haven't really read it, but interesting that there is hardware ready

[clever hare]

Must have been a magical time 😄

[drifting ember]

it was, there were 486's in the lab where I was with fiber internet

internet so fast its only bottleneck is the harddrive

(this was at a time when I still had basically a dial-up cable modem circa 2000)

and yes I meant dial-up cable modem

it was only 512k down/64k up

[clever hare]

I think my first one was 56k - back then didn't understand these things nor did I speak english, so memories are fuzzy

[drifting ember]

that would have been an actual dialup modem

and we could never hit 56k, 53k was all you got

[clever hare]

oh yeah over the phone line, with all the usual dial-up noises when starting the connection 😄

[drifting ember]

aka modem music

[clever hare]

I've posted on reddit but might as well ask here - do you know if HAOS has CPU power mode of sorts - High performance, power saver etc? for x86

[drifting ember]

not that I can see

[celest holly]

I downloaded Slackware over a 14.4. Now get off my lawn! 😁

[drifting ember]

if you weren't using redhat what were you even doing

actually in the 14.4 days I was on BSD

[cold moon]

I still use Slackware (unraid)

[tawny viper]

I wonder what percent of Slackware is unraid. I haven't ran it pure since on my powerbook g4

[cold moon]

Probably a large amount

The rest just old greybeards

[drifting ember]

have you ever met a young greybeard?

if not we can omit the 'old' part

😄

[cold moon]

It’s a state of mind

So the old is relevant

Young ones say arch btw and use mint Linux

Or do shit like run production on beta versions of casaOS

[drifting ember]

in that case keep the old, I need to be separated from those whippersnappers then

[rapid frost]

Any recommendations for a lightswitch that is battery powered and can be like attachted to a wall?

[tawny viper]

Lutron Pico if you want to use their hub. Lutron connected is great, but stupid expensive.

Battery is like 10 years. Funny thing is our house had a Pico remote in the wall for 7 years. I never realized it wasn't a real switch until I started replacing light switches 7 years later. That's how good the Pico remote is.

[rapid frost]

you need their hub?

nvm found one

[devout parrot]

I use the Aqara Zigbee buttons for that.

[floral patrol]

Conbee2 died. Replaced with HUSBZB-1. Small apartment. All zigbee devices close enough to controller, but visualization shows everything connecting to each other. Massive tangled web.

Conbee die easily like that? 2 years old. Using usb extension cable to get further away from wifi router. Was within 6 inches of it before.

[cold moon]

slap whoever told you to buy that nortek piece of junk

[floral patrol]

Worse reviews for nortek, but I’m mad at conbee. Didn’t find one better than both. Is there a tired and true best one? I’ve got pci slots free if they make them.

[cold moon]

For zha or z2m?

https://tubeszb.com/product/cc2652p2-based-zigbee-to-poe-coordinator-2023/ these are popular PoE coordinators

There’s a few popular usb ones too depending on your answer

Sonoff p dongle, zzh, slaesh

There’s a link to a list of them pinned in #zigbee-archived

[floral patrol]

Thank you for the link. I’ll check it out and hit up Zigbee channel. First time on Discord so wasn’t sure correct thread. Will get new hardware before current dies too. Wife was pissed she had to go back to using wall switches instead of voice. First world problems.

[tacit burrow]

Hmm have aquara cube thing. Creates events in ha. How to tell device state? (Which side is up, etc). @cold moon ?

[winged knoll]

Update to 2023.8 and you'll get new event entities to help you

And of course, #zigbee-archived would be the channel to ask about that "cube thing"

[coarse vigil]

I have some thread bulbs and some zigbee devices currently connected through the hue hub, was thinking about getting some sky sticks so I could connect my nanoleaf essentials bulbs to my home assistant hub, but also get rid of the hue hub.

Are there problems with having both zigbee and thread devices on the skyconnect stick?

[winged knoll]

Generally not, no, but the SkyConnect multi-pan docs explain more, and #thread-archived and #zigbee-archived can guide you

[flint shell]

Has anyone come across schematics for a Sonoff Mini or another ESP8266 based mains device, that doesn't use a transformer inside? I'm planning to build a custom circuit based around 6 triacs, but wanted to see how they get 3.3v without a transformer

Pretty much just a lazy ask. If not I will try and reverse engineer the Sonoff Mini I have in storage

[cold moon]

Some people might be able to help in #diy-archived but you’re more likely to get that sort of help in esphome discord or one dedicated to pcb design with actual EEs

[flint shell]

Thank you for the heads up ^_^ been out of the home automation game for a few years after being forced to move, and doing all the higher priority (according to my partner) stuff, like bathroom and kitchen renovations 😂

[gloomy trellis]

Is there a good door lock out there that also supports open standards? Been looking a Yale Doorman, but as far as I can see it will not communicate with my smart home. Just its own app.

[cold moon]

You didn’t renovate with smart home features in mind?!

[flint shell]

Well, yes and no. I haven't added much in terms of home automation such as light switches yet, but have provisioned to add them later. (Neutral in the light switches for example) the first pass was to make the mains throughout the place safe. When I moved in the plug sockets got hot when using a vacuum cleaner, and nearly melted the Live to earth in one socket. And another nearly melted live to neutral 😐

[cold moon]

Good to be safe but it would’ve been nice to add low voltage wiring in a few spots for ambient / bias led strip lighting

[flint shell]

Maybe, though that should be easy enough to during cables down through the roof in a bungalow 😁. The loft/attic is pretty easy to get around and lay new cabling in for stuff.

I hadn't considered a Low voltage ring. Is that common in the home automation community?

[cold moon]

Ring?

You mean the shit behind the mirror? Those come premade usually

[flint shell]

My main plan is to get these light fixtures dimming in 6 steps (one bulb on per step) as I have 6 of these fixtures, and basic led bulbs are cheap, I'm hoping to revise my previous circuit for better switch detection, and ditch the 7 optocouplers and transformer the previous circuit used (as it's overkill, takes up a lot of space in the fixture, and wastes energy to detect the ZC through a opto)

[cold moon]

I’d just use zigbee bulbs in those

And control with a zigbee group combined or single depending on what you want

[flint shell]

Oh, I though you meant a low voltage power bus at ~48V, available in all rooms

[cold moon]

5/12/24v endpoints going back to a main controller not too far away

I use addressable leds only so data can only go so far before corruption

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/397426163649216512/914682412099850280/video0.mov my disco kitchen for example. I need to redo it tho. These are usually just warm white

[flint shell]

I bet those bulbs are a lot more than £/$1 a piece 😉 when I need 36 bulbs that adds up quite quickly. That and I already have 50 or so of these SES bulbs in stock 😂

[flint shell]

Oooh, pretty

[cold moon]

I have led strips throughout the house that turn on at 100%/30% based on time of day along with other lights in the room. After midnight I do led strip lighting only and it’s plenty sufficient to see but not be blinded

Laundry room.. all over

[flint shell]

That's nice

Out of curiosity how well does that lot work if the server goes down?

[cold moon]

It doesn’t in my scenario but it could

I have zigbee motion sensors in some rooms. I could bind those to zigbee led strip controllers and they’d still turn on then

But only basic like on/off

I use wled Wi-Fi esp32 based led controllers tho so I need home assistant to be on to communicate between zigbee and Wi-Fi

[flint shell]

One of the requirements I try to work to, is a smart device should extend functionality, not remove anything. The light fixture I did previously works even if the WiFi goes down via the switch. Clicking the switch turns the fixture on or off, but a quick toggle (on-off-on) in less than 0.5s changes the brightness

[cold moon]

I don’t run hass on my server. My server is separate from my smart home which is separate from my cameras which is separate from my network

So if I lose one I don’t lose them all

[flint shell]

👍

[cold moon]

I couldn’t afford the zigbee switches I wanted so I bought zwave ones and use them in smart bulb mode with zigbee bulbs. So unfortunately if hass is down most of my light switches don’t do anything

If I had unlimited funds it’s an easy fix

[flint shell]

Always good to have some redundancy. My eventual plan is to run Home assistant on a HA Kubernetes cluster of 5 thin PC's, when I can find the time to do that 😉

[cold moon]

You’ll still have one box with the zigbee/zwave/thread usb sticks passed thru unless you use something like socat or a PoE based controller/coordinator

[flint shell]

That's one of the main reasons I'm trying to stay away from a fully wireless system, it feels too easy for things to break. I haven't really found a commercial device I'm happy with for a good price and amount of outputs. The Sonoff Mini is pretty close though, it detects a physically wired switch, and theoretically can be made to work fully offline if WiFi goes down

That and I know how much stick I would get from my partner if I end up with no light working in a room 😂

[cold moon]

Knx is getting more popular but I think you kind of need to move into a house already wired for that

[flint shell]

Wow, yeah if that's doing what I think it's doing, there is a lot of copper needing to be run to each room. Assuming that is terminated with one wire to each plug socket and one to each light fixture

[flint shell]

Is esphome's discord still around? I can't get the invite to work 😕

[outer knot]

ESPHome is a system to control your ESP8266/ESP32, with a native integration for Home Assistant.

You can find their documentation here, and get help with ESPHome itself here in the #diy-archived channel (#integrations-archived for the Home Assistant side integration with it). They also have their own Discord server too.

[cold moon]

Link at bottom

Oh

Same link

https://discord.gg/sHQW25gY

Use that for now I’ll report it to someone who can change that

[flint shell]

I think it's my side, specifically the android app didn't take, but the same link on Ubuntu is fine.

I just feel silly now. Thank you for your help ☺️

Never seen it discord not work on Android before. But I'm glad it's most likely an isolated issue to my phone

[cold moon]

No idea I don’t use phones / an os made by an ad company

Sounds silly

[flint shell]

Welp. That's Google for you. At least they aren't Facebook. But as with any service that is free, you/the end user are the product

[cold moon]

Yea Amazon, google, and fb are all on my no list

[flint shell]

I put up with Alexa as I haven't found a good open source, locally hosted home voice assistant yet

[cold moon]

Yikes

I can’t imagine feeding into that machine

I think you need to read up on piper and whisper

[flint shell]

I don't say anything out loud that they could really use against me

[cold moon]

Home assistant nabu casa made them and open sourced fully local

[flint shell]

Ooh. Last I checked it was mycroft

[cold moon]

No that’s defunct

https://building.open-home.io/piper-is-our-new-voice-for-the-open-home/#:~:text=Piper is trained using open,run as a Docker container.

[flint shell]

Oh, seems that tech has shifted a lot in the 3 years since I last looked into this kind of stuff

[cold moon]

It’s still growing and not near stuff like Alexa yet but still

[flint shell]

Thank you, that is going on to my project list 😄

[cold moon]

There’s #voice-assistants-archived where those guys hang out

if anyone's interested this is the stuff for us non-HAOS users:
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Wyoming Piper & Whisper docker-compose YAMLs https://dpaste.org/WeHMA