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dark garnet
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That’s not the issue. I figured out how to download it but can’t restore it on a new install.

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I tried taking the home assistant.tar.go and that don’t work.

manic bane
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Presuming it's a full backup

dark garnet
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Yes it did.

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I took the largest, the ha.tar.gz and extracted it into my data directory after shutting down the container first.

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No go.

manic bane
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What are the contents from the .tar.gz

dark garnet
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Sorry not home at the moment. I’ll check later. Dumbass kid stuck a popcorn kernel up her nose so sitting in the er at the moment.

manic bane
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Oh god. What a new year for you 😂

dark garnet
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Oh fucking yea…

manic bane
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But yeah there's a chance your folder structure may have unzipped wrong. Happy to help when you get back

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Or we won't blame you if you abandon your kid either

dark garnet
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Thanks. I’ll ping ya.

brazen herald
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(And make sure you got the hidden files!)

quasi light
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this was no fun... ~ # ha security info content_trust: true force_security: false pwned: true ~ #
Changed my pwd and still reports pwned...? Help please

manic bane
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That's the locked out part

quasi light
manic bane
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I think there are methods if you already setup host SSH and not an add on

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But otherwise just connect a display and go to town

quasi light
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Got it fixed, thanks! But did not really get the pawn-check. I know what it means, but which credentials?

manic bane
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Read the first link I sent. It's just the pwn check is operational

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Not that it's found anything

quasi light
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DOH! That was a relief. Thanks 🙂

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so.. while on this topic, what would "ha security options --force-security=True" really mean, and why is it false by default?

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Description mentions forcing security on "backend", whatever that means in this context?

dark garnet
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@manic bane thanks for the offer for help last night, I just extracted the entire ha.tar.gz which created the data folder and then just adjusted my docker-compose file to use that for /config and it worked.

dark garnet
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Another question... with zwave js is it a good idea to run it in a container as well?

wheat bear
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Hiya friends. Was pointed to this channel to try to get a little help with some SSH issues.
HA is running in virtual box and the SSH & Web Terminal add on is up and running. I can run ssh commands from within the shell via the UI (as well as the docker instance core uses to call it from that shell) and all works fine.

But, like many before me it seems, when I try to make the exact same calls I do from the command line in a script it fails with 255 error.

I presume this is really more about permissions and ssh keys in some way and less about Home Assistant proper, but I admit I'm probably at the limits of my understanding about now.
Really though I had it this morning, but.. nope.

grand pivot
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Start a shell in the home assistant container and debug from there. docker exec -it homeassistant /bin/bash

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and if you share the command that you're trying to run, perhaps somebody can help

wheat bear
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yep, that's exactly what I did this morning and they run perfect, that's why I* thought* I had it, but it seems like I'm still missing something

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Basically just this:

ssh -i /config/id_rsa -o 'StrictHostKeyChecking=no' user@ipaddress '~/Downloads/shellscripts/somescript.sh'

which works great from the command line - including if I run it from the docker like you showed above, but when I put it in a script, 255...

grand pivot
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and you're using a command_line sensor? or a shell_command?

wheat bear
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shell

grand pivot
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shell_command?

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precision

wheat bear
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yep

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shell_command:
connect: ssh -i /config/id_rsa -o 'StrictHostKeyChecking=no' user@ipaddress '~/Downloads/shellscripts/somescript.sh'

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that's what's in configuration.yaml

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(sorry, let me learn how to format for code in discord)

humble scaffoldBOT
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Don't forget you can edit your post rather than repeatedly posting the same thing.

grand pivot
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there are permission requirements for the key, and it's usually better to put them in a directory, like /config/ssl, and make it 700, as in chmod 700 /config/ssl

wheat bear
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current in /config/.ssh

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let me check permissions

grand pivot
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but if you can execute the command from within the container...

wheat bear
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And I can

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changed perms to 700, no change running from the script

grand pivot
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well, if they're in /config/.ssh, that doesn't match your command line

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precision, again

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I don't know whether you're doing random/imprecise things, or if you're just not posting exactly what you're doing

wheat bear
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nope, I am currently restarting after editing my configuration.yaml, because if it's that - you will have just spotted the thing I have been missing for the last 5 hours 🙂

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I've been at this off and on for about 2 weeks, no kidding, and I think I had moved the damn keys so many times I just missed that in config when I was trying something else...

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sadly though, that wasn't it 😦

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That WAS wrong though, Fixed now but still not working.

grand pivot
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I don't see how that command was working in the container...

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you were pointing it to a nonexistent key

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or just not posting what you were actually doing

wheat bear
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Yeah, that was cut and paste from a reddit post, I can't copy from the terminal in the web in a way that is easy

grand pivot
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sigh

wheat bear
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OK well thanks for helping, Ill just take off, didn't mean to be a bother

alpine hollow
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hey when i wanne change my ip to a static ip i get a error in the log the error is:```text
Logger: homeassistant.components.hassio
Source: components/hassio/websocket_api.py:124
Integration: Home Assistant Supervisor (documentation, issues)
First occurred: 14:53:00 (6 occurrences)
Last logged: 18:34:29

Failed to to call /network/interface/enp1s0/update -```
i run HA os on a HP Client i dont have a wifi card i use cable i have a static ip in my router for the HA but i still get's it's old ip address. i restarted it already and also restarted the hp cliend

formal grove
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hi all, does anyone have any suggestions on how to manage home assistant via Git? I want to fully automate the deployment of both Home Assistant and my config. I'm guessing Ansible would be a big part of that. I heard a viscous rumor that YAML was being mostly retired, is that true?

brazen herald
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That's not true exactly, but lots of integrations are being moved to a UI config. You can check in the hidden .storage folder though - but I wouldn't recommend modifying that yourself.

formal grove
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that seems like such a step backwards. i get that we want to make Home Assistant accessible, but there has been a big push for "Everything as Code" across the industry in recent years, so making Home Assistant GUI only, even in parts, is a miss-step. Is there a petition that can be signed to keep everything YAMLable?

brisk willow
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The decision has been made. Unfortunately the powers that be have made it clear it's final

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They've also made it clear that key things like automations and scripts are here to stay in YAML though

grizzled compass
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Apart from no longer being able to track your modifications in git (in a useful way), it also makes it very hard (if not virtually impossible) to share parts of your setup with other users.

humble mirage
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The ship sailed on that years ago

brisk willow
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i do wonder what integrations others are using (besides automations, scripts, etc.) where not being able to track modifications would be detrimental

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any integration that i set up that connects to a device or service stays static forever apart from adding new devices (if applicable)

celest yew
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Greetings folks, I am trying to install Home Assistant in VirtualBox. Installing verson haos_ova-9.4.vdi and it has been running for over 25 minutes and still shows that a start Job is running docker application container

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Do I just need to keep letting it run?

fierce pine
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Hello, i had a power outage and after that my home assistant running on a PI does not work. It's using the home assistant OS. When booting it starts the emergency console. It seams like there is an issue with the SD-card. I can mount it as readonly in the emergency console. I havent taken backups :(. Can i manually copy files from a folder(s) somewhere, make a fresh install and restore the files somehow? Or if someone have other tips it would be greatly appriciated.

copper steppe
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Yes all config is the the “config” directory. You should be able to back it up and restore; if that’s not corrupt

grizzled compass
# brisk willow i do wonder what integrations others are using (besides automations, scripts, et...

For example, I have a package for my weather station. It has all sensors and calculations. For some calculations I need history data and use SQL sensors. Starting early last year SQL sensors in YAML were removed and now the sensors must be defined in the GUI. That means carefully typing all data (database url, complex sql statements) for each of the queries. But I agree, that needs to be done only once.
However, in the YAML there was a simple db_url: !secret recorder_db that allows me to run a shadow instance of HA using a shadow database by just changing the secrets.yaml file. Now I can no longer do this, since the GUI defined SQL sensors have the database URL hardwired in the guts of .storage.

brisk willow
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Oof. That makes sense

pearl bane
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If I move to wifi on new network and I had ethernet on old network how to move

copper steppe
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Shouldn't matter, but HA on wifi is a bit cr*p, you're much better to use ethernet.

formal grove
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YAML FTW

formal grove
ocean timber
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Hey everyone. So, since today I have set up a new home network, but I came to find out that for some reason I have lost the login credentials to my HA (on Raspberry Pi). Online I found that I can simply connect my pi to a monitor and keyboard and reset my account. However.. I have connected the Pi to a monitor, ethernet cable, and power (5A plug):
I see some text scrolling past, and then my screen just keeps flickering. Don't see any information whatsoever. Anyone knows whats happening?

brazen herald
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Are you sure the power supply is sufficient? You'll see text scrolling past during boot, but once it's done you should have a prompt.

ocean timber
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I have two power bricks, one is 5v, 2.3A the other is 5v 2.3A or 9V 2A or 10V 4A. Also I have my laptop charger which is 5V/20V with 1A/6.5A :/

humble mirage
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The Pi foundation recommends 2.5A for the Pi3, and 3A for the Pi4

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(all at 5V, since the Pi doesn't use anything else)

ocean timber
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Strange. It's been running on the 5v 2.3A for over a year, without a problem...

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Annoying when your house is filled with power plugs and adapters, and none seems to be the right one

humble mirage
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If you've nothing else connected to the Pi (no SSD, USB sticks, etc) then 2.3A should be enough

ocean timber
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For some reason, when I disconnected my monitor during setup, I got it to work. I changed my password and everything is working fine now. Thanks for the help!

marble coral
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hello people in this room 🙂

I need to force my Home Assistant to use a specific network interface as its gateway. It keeps randomly changing which interface it uses, and I need it to not do that.

Can anyone point me in the right direction please?

🙂

crude inlet
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@marble coral do they both appear on your network settings page?

marble coral
cobalt plume
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Hi,
Is an odroid n2+ with 2gb ram enough for hass ? Or should I privilege 4

I have 20 devices
Maybe 20 automations running

marble coral
odd marlin
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Above that there's network interfaces. Have you tried either disabling the others or setting static IPs so they don't get a gateway from DHCP?

marble coral
crude inlet
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Those are all adapters. Are you saying 192.168.1.250 needs to be your gateway? How did the address get assigned?

marble coral
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So the x.x.x.250 is the HomeAssistant address on each network

odd marlin
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Do all 3 interfaces have a gateway defined in the static config? If so, that's likely the issue

marble coral
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Yes they do, however I cannot submit a blank one. Didn't try in YAML to be fair.

I kinda need the gateways to function... I just want to set a default one for homeassistant only.

As in, if HA needs to check something on the internet. eth0.

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I am using eth0 for dynamic DNS

odd marlin
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Most OSes including Linux don't really play nicely with multiple default gateways defined

marble coral
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If HA defaults to another network, it sends the wrong IP

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Hmmm, works good on my QNAP. I just set teh default, and it obeys it

odd marlin
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Typically with multiple interfaces, one would be the default gateway and the others would either be used for their directly connected subnet or some additional routes. If you have multiple default gateways, then it comes down to whatever metric gets assigned

marble coral
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I can force it by unplugging the others.. rebooting, then plugging them back in after the default is set, and it works fine... until i reboot

odd marlin
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I don't think there's any way to set the metric. It won't let you just assign an IP without a gateway?

marble coral
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But I kinda need the gateways to be set.

I have it like this:

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Network 1 (eth0) naked internet gateway, dynamic DNS runs here, some services hosted online via this network
Network 2 (enpblahblah1) is my domain network, I vpn through here...
Network 3 (enpblahblah2) is my smart home network

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HA is connected to all 3 networks, and provides DNS filtering on all, and also NGINX reverse proxies

odd marlin
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If the only things it talks to on network 2 and 3 are things within their respective subnet, e.g. 192.168.2.0/24, then there's no need for a gateway. You only need a gateway if you're crossing subnets

marble coral
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If NGINX still works, that would fix it for me

odd marlin
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If HA is assigned say 192.168.2.6/24, it will have an entry in its routing table for 192.168.2.0/24 and can talk to anything on that subnet without a gateway

marble coral
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Ok, I will see if I can set a blank gateway via YAML

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Hmm no YAML option

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Is there a config file where I can edit this?

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Hmm. I will try setting them all to 192.168.1.1

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see if that works

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it shouldn't

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but hey ho

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Boom!

Default changed

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Need to check to see if anything broke

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Yup. Something broke... Turns out I need the gateway set correctly for one of my reverse proxy hosts

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Also, my curl commands broke (they target an interface specifically)

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Trying one more thing.

Will try setting DNS to HASS instead of router

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Nope. Default is good now, but DNS is not doing what I need.

ivory root
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Hi, i got some issue with my addons, but i dont know how to troubleshoot this

humble scaffoldBOT
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@ivory root I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
grand pivot
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you even said it 🙂

ivory root
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sure, because its about all addons. so it seems like a higher layer

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and its after a recovery from backup

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every addon i try to run is greyed out and wont start if i press start

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if you still think it iss, ill go there

ivory root
keen comet
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👋 I would like to install hass via pip3 directly. With python3.11 the deps aiohttp won't compile because requirements.txt contain aiohttp is 3.8.1.
aiohttp compile with 3.8.2 only.

My question before to create a PR about "classic upgrade" Hass works with python3.11 ?

humble mirage
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Use Python 3.10

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The devs haven't yet worked on 3.11 support, so until then it's reasonable to expect problems

keen comet
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ok thanks, this is because I've seen end of support of python3.9 so I wanted to be on latest

humble mirage
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The trick is to basically follow what they use for the Container, which is mentioned in the release notes when they bump it

sonic lance
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Hello all,
I am new here and plan to set up Home Assitant. I have already done the installation and got the server up and running. The installation was done on a NAS. My problem is that I can't get to the Home Assitant page.

I have tried both http://homeassistant.local:8123/ and via the IP. I can ping the IP, but I can't ping http://homeassistant.local:8123/.

Does anyone have any ideas?

grizzled belfry
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hey guys, i am stuck at Preparing home assistant page

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the last line on the log is 23-01-02 15:23:24 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.fixup] System autofix complete

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it just has been sitting for hours

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i am running hass on a vm

keen comet
humble mirage
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Read the release notes each month

odd marlin
grizzled belfry
manic bane
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Then you'll need to share a few more of the logs with us

humble scaffoldBOT
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grizzled belfry
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this is all of it

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yaml

severe matrix
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Is there a way I can set in the config different retention times for different entities? For my Energy dashboard, I want a storage time of 365 days, but the other data such as lights, I need this for only thirty days along with some other entities maybe a day only. Is energy stored in the standard recorder config and how can I set its own storage time?

humble mirage
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Not easily no

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I'm not even sure you can manually purge data beyond a given age

vocal yew
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hi guys! is there any way to add the bluetooth card drivers of the laptop im running hass os on to hass os?

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manually

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home assistant doesnt see my card

manic bane
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The drivers should be in the kernel for HAOS. If it's not detected then I'm not sure if there are drivers for it

Are you not seeing the BT under hardware?

vocal yew
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im not seeing it discover

humble scaffoldBOT
manic bane
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It should be listed there if HAOS can see the BT

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If not then you're probably out of luck

vocal yew
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no, it just says generic x86-64

manic bane
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I don't use HAOS but if it's not detecting it there's no way to add drivers

vocal yew
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ouch really?

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in the future would it work if i changed to running it as a docker container

vocal yew
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i mean

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supervised

brazen herald
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Don't run Supervised, it's a fast road to pain and no gain.

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Try Debian + docker or similar.

solar hedge
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Hi! Do i have to set up a Hue light + Dimmer Manually with Automations or is there a shortcut? I'm using a Sonoff Zigbee bridge.

brazen herald
muted sluice
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Hi I've installed HASS as it's own OS on a VM but when I log on to the ip address for the IPv4 in the web browser it gets stuck in the "Preparing Home Assistant" I've left it for over an hour still preparing did some research saw try
ha> login
#nmcli con edit “Home Assistant OS default”
set ipv4.dns 8.8.8.8
save
quit
ha host reboot
but when I do the nmcli con edit "Home Assistant OS default"

it says Error: Unknown connection 'Home Assistant OS default'.

molten patio
muted sluice
maiden mesa
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that means everything is good, in unix

molten patio
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Was just about to say exactly that, you can confirm by running "nmcli print" and it will show you all the settings set.

grizzled belfry
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i just followed those instructions and it is still sitting at preparing home assistant

muted sluice
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same with me I even reinstalled the vm and still waited over an hour, should I just install a linux vm or something to make it easy?

grizzled belfry
muted sluice
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I'm hardwired to my host pc so when I setup the vm I setup a bridged adapter

grizzled belfry
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ok just checking i am using the bridged adapter but with a wifi card

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what log prompt is your preparing home assistant sitting at?

muted sluice
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how do I check that?

grizzled belfry
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c;ick the pulsing blue dot and scroll to the bottom

muted sluice
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23-01-03 12:42:44 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec

grizzled belfry
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gotcha

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different then mine

muted sluice
fallen lichen
muted sluice
fallen lichen
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I'd suggest pasting your full log to a sharing site

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Log lines don't necessarily only show failed, other ones may be interesting too

muted sluice
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is there an easy way to get the log lines? or just ctrl+a ctrl+c

fallen lichen
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Select all copy is as good as anything

muted sluice
fallen lichen
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ahh likely DNS related then

grand pivot
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Broken DNS

muted sluice
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do I do the
ha> login
#nmcli con edit “Home Assistant OS default”
set ipv4.dns 8.8.8.8
save
quit
ha host reboot
thing?

odd marlin
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Make sure you can also ping out to the internet too

grizzled belfry
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anyone want to take a look at mine

grand pivot
muted sluice
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did a ping on the vm hass says "google.com is alive!"

fallen lichen
grizzled belfry
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like 2 hrs

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i am using a older msi laptop

fallen lichen
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Just looking at that log, it looks like ~45m, but I'm not sure if there's anything earlier

muted sluice
grizzled belfry
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can i run this vm with a wifi adapter

odd marlin
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You can use WiFi, but you really shouldn't unless you have no other choice

grand pivot
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Not really with a VM

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Can't reliably bridge WIFI

grizzled belfry
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coulld that be my problem?

grand pivot
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Well, at least that is a bad thing

grizzled belfry
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?

grand pivot
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?

odd marlin
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You passed a wifi adapter through to the VM?

grand pivot
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just...don't do that

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do not use wifi with a bridged network connection with a VM

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it is an unsupportable configuation

grizzled belfry
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ok. So it will act like it can work. But at the end of the day it is never gonig to work

odd marlin
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Are you not able to just bridge to an ethernet adapter instead?

muted sluice
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okay so 30 minutes still no progress, I did some more research and it said check "resolution info" and issues that come up are
context: supervisor
reference: null
type: update_failed
uuid: (string of numbers and letters)
context: system
reference: null
type: no_current_backup
uuid (strong of numbers and letters)

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google a work and it says do "ha supervisor update"

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did that and now it's sitting on Processing... for about 5-6 minutes now

pearl bane
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Hi can I move from ethernet to wifi home assistant

odd marlin
pearl bane
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Wife say it "slows" the home internet 😮

muted sluice
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been almost an hour nothing has worked I give up on this app it's just not for me I guess 🤷‍♂️

copper steppe
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@pearl bane don't do that, man. ha cannot be slowing your internet.

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unless it's doing an update, which will only be for a minute or two

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ha on wifi sucks

misty briar
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odroid n2+ arrived, do I just do the github HAOS on the EMMc? Don't think i need a desktop.

humble mirage
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If you just want to use HAOS then yes

misty briar
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cheers, balina time

misty briar
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well that was easy. famous last words. so run on ethernet + UPS?

fierce laurel
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what is the oldest pi i can use for homeassistant?

humble mirage
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Depends on whether you mean Home Assistant OS, or just the HA software itself

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Either way, anything below a Pi3 is asking for pain

fierce laurel
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To be able to run it all. Dont know the details of how to set anything up yet. Tryhing to read up on everything

humble mirage
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You want at least a Pi3, but Pi4 on SSD is smarter

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Personally I'd recommend something better than a Pi

fierce laurel
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what is better then a pi?

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for now i have 2 shelly wifi plugs i want to set up and test with to learn. but to be honest, i dont really know even where to star 😛

humble mirage
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Just about any PC from the last decade

brazen herald
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If you already have a computer that's always on, you can run it on there

humble mirage
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I run HA on a 9 year old i5 laptop, and it massively out performs any Pi, is more stable, and draws only a little more than a Pi4

brazen herald
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(Ideally a Linux machine, and running it with a Docker container so you don't break what you already have.)

fierce laurel
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how are a minipc? are they called nuc?

humble mirage
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Sure

fierce laurel
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i would prefer if i dont go over the price of a pi. preferebly che aper ofcourse 😛

humble mirage
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So... find something second hand

brazen herald
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Well, is that the RRP of a Pi or the current retail price of a Pi?

humble mirage
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A Pi on an SD card is just waiting to lose all your data

brazen herald
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Because current retail price, I have an old gaming machine you can buy 😂

fierce laurel
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current retail prices are a joke.

humble mirage
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So, budget for a Pi with at least 2 GB of RAM + decent powered USB hub + USB connected SSD if you're going with a Pi

turbid rampart
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Hello again.. i just installed ssl-cert-check on my Pi , but HA (docker) can’t start it. I went in my docker and i can’t use it. Do you have an easy trick ? This is not mentionned in the ssl guide

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I may need to restart the pi, or add a volume in my docker to the ssl-cert-check ?

fierce laurel
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so a better choice would to get a old laptop and run it of of that?

brazen herald
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An old laptop or mini PC of some kind

humble scaffoldBOT
humble mirage
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Run that ☝️

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I'd bet that the SSL certificate isn't where you think it is

turbid rampart
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Oh well the ssl is working

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I just try to setup the sensor to fetch the validity time left

humble mirage
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i just installed ssl-cert-check on my Pi , but HA (docker) can’t start it. I went in my docker and i can’t use it.
Sounded very different to that

fierce laurel
humble mirage
fierce laurel
humble mirage
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The ssl-cert-check command you installed on the host... it's not in the container where HA runs

turbid rampart
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Exactly

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I try to get it working in the container

humble mirage
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So, SSH to the host and run it that way

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You need to have the SSH key in /config somewhere, to tell it to use that, and to tell it to accept new certs

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ssh -i /config/ssh/id_ed25519 -o StrictHostKeyChecking=accept-new tinkerer@orbital.ceard.tech /usr/sbin/meltdown
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Or ... don't bother and just ensure you automate renewing it 😛

turbid rampart
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Yes i miss knowledge I need to read all your links

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Following the guide step by step i stumbled on the sensor to see my expiration, before starting to automate the renewal :p

humble mirage
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TBH I use Traefik for remote access and that handles SSL renewal transparently

turbid rampart
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Oh well i added the integration and it works

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I will read anyway to understand more

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Thanks a lot

fierce laurel
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If i have a old laptop, what should i install on it, Linux mint?

brazen herald
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Debian 🙂

fierce laurel
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Mint is debian based

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If i dont remeber wrong?

humble mirage
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Debian > Mint

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Debian > just about any Debian based distro

brazen herald
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You can install other OSes, but long term you'll find that googling "Debian problem" is a lot easier than translating what you find

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And skip Ubuntu, the snap store alone is terrifyingly bad 😛

fierce laurel
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So just core debian is the best?

humble timber
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I am going to reinstall HA and have a couple of options and wanted what is going to be the best option for me. I’ve purchased a new MacBook so I have a my old Mac that I can install it on and run virtual box. I have an old dell optic plex that would be a decaded machine just for HA or I could purchase HA blue/yellow. If I install it the Mac that would basically be the only thing running on that machine as well. Thoughts?

odd marlin
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How old is the Optiplex and what are the specs? That's probably going to be the best choice

humble mirage
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The Yellow would be the worst option IMO, closely followed by the Blue

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If the Optiplex is newer than 8 (maybe 10) years old then it's likely your best option

turbid rampart
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Funny to read that yellow is not a good option when it’s somehow promoted by HA ?

humble mirage
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Don't confuse most of us who're here with the HA project team 😉

turbid rampart
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My bad !

humble mirage
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The Yellow is better than a Pi3 or older, and with an SSD is better than any Pi on an SD card

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Of those four it's the worst option

turbid rampart
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185$ home assistant yellow 🥶 proceeds to close webpage

humble mirage
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I'll stick with my 10 year old i5 laptop 😄

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Even with spinning rust rather than an SSD it way outperforms that Yellow

south sky
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I am contemplating what device to use for installing home assistant

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and also what method

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this is for our holiday home. so some degree of reliabilitiy is rather important

humble mirage
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Not a Pi

dawn flame
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Mini PC, can be had in the 100-150 range. Linux install and Docker. Use it for more than just HA...

humble mirage
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The method depends on you and your skills - but it's either going to be HAOS or Container

south sky
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I feel very comfortable with Debian (since 199x)

humble mirage
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Then Debian + Docker

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Easy to set up, easy to back up, easy to fix if you break it

brazen herald
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Debian is a good choice in general 🙂

dawn flame
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I went with bare Alpine. Debian without the GUI would be a solid choice though.

south sky
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I'm thinking of reusing an old thinkpad x series laptop

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because that has got a UPS builtin in case of

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electricity outage

humble mirage
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I run on an old i5 laptop, way better than any Pi

south sky
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is this a common thing to do, or not?

humble mirage
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It's common to re-use hardware you already own

south sky
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I have the rack space anyway, and I'm trying to keep everything wired

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so no need for any fancy zigbee/matter/ble stuff anyway

humble mirage
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Well, Zigbee etc can be done with dongles, or external hardware

brazen herald
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I would think carefully about dismissing #zigbee-archived and #zwave-archived, especially as Thread becomes more popular and people crowd onto the "new cool thing", you'll be able to pick up lots of sensors cheaply

south sky
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being an old fart, I just don't trust that as much as wired connections

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so I went a bit overboard and wired every room to the technical room multiple times

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... in star, not bus topology

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so the investment in wiring has already been made

dawn flame
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That's nice, but light switches don't run on Cat-5. They operate on Z-Wave, Zigbee, and WiFi.

south sky
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I plan to run them as wired binary sensors

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abusing cat5e cabling

humble mirage
south sky
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I'm hesitant to name a specific board, but I'm using a fairly generic Chinese esp32 board with wired ethernet and nice screw terminal headers for that

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the plan would be to run esphome on this board and hook this up to home assistant

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and that is where my next question comes from

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how to best organise the software mechanics of integrating those two on the home assistant side

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ok, that sounds super vague

humble mirage
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Well... if it's ESPHome you just enable the integration

south sky
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I just enable the api on the esphome side

humble mirage
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HA doesn't care that those are ESPHome vs Zigbee vs anything - every light is a light, every switch is a switch, etc

south sky
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ok, clear

brazen herald
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That's all you need to do 😉

humble scaffoldBOT
south sky
south sky
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any hints on jigh availability solutions for HA?

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I see relatively few of those

humble mirage
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There's a bunch of forum threads, but honestly ... high availability is a thing you shouldn't worry that much about

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I can't remember the last year my HA crashed

south sky
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I do care about it because our place is 2000km away and needs the heating to work in winter to avoid bust piping

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etcetera

humble mirage
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Well... most of that then is about ensuring that it fails safe, as there's no native high availability solutions. You'd be better off solving that below HA - say with a hypervisor that can handle it

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Of course, odds are that your problem won't be with HA

south sky
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odds are I could just round robin dns between two machines

humble mirage
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That won't help with the HA side of it

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Host failover is solved already, safely redundant HA isn't

south sky
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I mean, my needs are fairly basic

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so host failover might just suffice for me

humble mirage
south sky
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I don't care too much about logging tbh, and I can keep a few config files in sync

humble mirage
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I don't think that'll solve the problems you're likely to face

maiden mesa
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If your esp devices are controlling heat by chance, I would put some failsafes locally on the esp device so it doesn't need a connection to anything to keep things from freezing

humble mirage
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Real world problems are more likely to be things like the heating not responding when HA tells it to turn on

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HA itself is the bit I'd expect to not fail. Failure will be of either the logic (automations etc) or communication with the remote devices

south sky
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all comms are wired

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and the final heating devices are as stupid as you could imagine

humble mirage
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Doesn't mean things won't respond when instructed

south sky
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plug them in, they work

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(we plug them into a Shelly pro 4pm mqtt relay)

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and those are distributed, not just one boiler

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and fairly passive in terms of components

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ok, something to think about

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will be back

stoic cedar
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Hey, im running HA in a virtualbox on windows, and I've added my aeotec zwave stick to it, but i keep getting an error saying I can't attach it. Anyone else run into this issue?
I'm able to pass through other USB devices tho.

brisk mesa
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So I was messing with the internet settings so that I could run it on my rpi off of WIFI, but i messed it up and was completely inable to connect. So i did a fresh install of the HA OS on my sd card. Now its giving me the error in my browser "Something went wrong loading onboarding, try refreshing"

humble mirage
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Is HA able to reach the Internet?

brisk mesa
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i have it hard wired to my router

humble mirage
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That doesn't mean much

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What did you "mess up"?

brisk mesa
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i changed the ipv4 settings (under the wlan0 tab) trying to see if i could get it on a specified ip or figure out what ip it had. after that my internet browser kept giving the "ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED" error

tawdry glen
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Try unplugging your ethernet cable and plugging it back in

humble mirage
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I'd also look on the console and see that it's getting an IP

maiden mesa
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I would suggest using your router to try to specify your IP rather than setting a static ip on the client, if possible.

brisk mesa
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well I did a fresh install after that and im stuck with a loading screen now. i cant even get to the consol or anything

tawdry glen
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On the raspberrypi itself?

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or are you trying to ssh into it

humble mirage
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Connect a keyboard and monitor to it

crude inlet
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if you have reflashed the SD and are at the preparing screen then you can click on the blue dot

brisk mesa
tawdry glen
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Try opening the page on a different device

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like a phone

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Happened to me before, it wasn't loading on my pc, but it was on phone

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Still don't know why

brisk mesa
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im trying to use the mobile app too and it straight cannot connect on the mobile app

tawdry glen
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You can try using the browser on the phone

humble mirage
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I'd expect you need to have set HA up before the app works

tawdry glen
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I thought so too

crude inlet
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or hard refresh the page on your pc, or try a private/incognito tab

brisk mesa
humble mirage
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Use the IP and port

brisk mesa
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what do i ping in my pc command console to find the ip?

tawdry glen
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I'd probably look in your router to find it

humble mirage
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Well, given that you're getting NXDOMAIN, I doubt that'll help

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If you have a keyboard and monitor connected to HA then you can see the IP therer

brisk mesa
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i got a ping back when i pinged homeassistant

tawdry glen
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what ip address does it show when you ping

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try using that in the browser instead of homeassistant if you didn't before

brisk mesa
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it gave me an ipv6

tawdry glen
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That should also work

brisk mesa
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its working now

tawdry glen
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The original address works? or does the ipv6 work?

brisk mesa
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managed to pull the ipv4 and that works

tawdry glen
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Alright

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awesome

haughty finch
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Hello. I am new to HA. I have HA running on virtual box on Win10. I am wondering...is there a way to stop and close virtuql box so that I can turn off my pc?

I tried to close virtual box and that resulted in my home assistant to lose th zwave dongle...i had to delete the virtual machine completely!

humble mirage
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If you stop the VM then HA isn't running and no smart home for you

haughty finch
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Ok...that is no a problem

humble mirage
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ha host shutdown should do what you want, and I'd expect there's a shutdown option if you hit c and search

odd marlin
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Ideally you want to run HA on a separate computer that can be left running 24/7

haughty finch
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And then i can simply close the virtualbox and the pc?

humble mirage
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Shutting it down when you use Z-Wave (or Zigbee) is likely to cause mesh issues

haughty finch
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Safely?

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Ok i will try....i will ask another silly question...to turn on the system again will be host on?

humble mirage
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Turn on what system?

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You have to start the VM for HA to start

brazen herald
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You'll need to start the virtual machine, it may be automatic, or not.

haughty finch
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Ok...i will try...in the end at the moment i have only 2 devices and 1 atomation...best moment for testing

wild drum
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this is not really a question more of a weird idea : hassio on ps2 linux ?

brisk willow
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If you could even get it to run (which seems impossible given its specs) it would be horrendously slow

odd marlin
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I mean, if you want to do it as project to prove it can be done, like how people install DOOM on all sorts of crazy stuff, sure. For any real use, it doesn't make any sense

loud elbow
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Home Assistant and DNS falling asleep

heavy pumice
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Hey, I tried to do a supervised install using pip3 in a virtualenv and it won't find a version of homeassistant published after 2021. I assume that some sort of automation of building and pushing packages failed, I'm interested in running an up-to-date version on my existing PI and I don't mind building or even fixing the automation so that others can do the same. Can anyone key me in on the build-yourself story or else point me at the thing I can do to avoid all this 😉 or else the automation and I can try work on that. I haven't searched the documentation / repo thoroughly yet, but I'm off to go do that now.

low notch
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who told you that "supervised in venv" thing?

heavy pumice
low notch
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alright this is not "supervised", this is a core install

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any reason why you go that route?

heavy pumice
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ah, shoot sorry I got that wrong. Just trying to install on a pi3 that already has a job that has a tricky configuration / setup to it, and it's a bit underpowered so I was worried about the lift associated with docker

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but now that I come to think about it it's probably a lot less on Linux I guess... would that be your recommendation to use on a raspberry pi3 that is already busy(ish) with some other things?

low notch
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the performance impact of docker is minimal. go with a container install

heavy pumice
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ooo-raaa. I've been ruining my life with docker on os x recently so I guess I just avoided it by instinct.

odd marlin
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If you're running anything even a little bit resource intensive already, HA is going to struggle on a pi3

heavy pumice
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It's a sporadic load, I was just worried about the overhead. But of course given it's just a container and not a VM on this platform, I guess I shouldn't be worried.

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Anyway I'll try to remember to report back when the container install works.

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Thank you very much for your help.

humble mirage
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The overhead of Docker is zero @heavy pumice - it's little more than a "partition" of the OS

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(technically a namespace)

heavy pumice
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Yeah, it wasn't something I really thought about, more like a pavlovian response 🙂

heavy pumice
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Yep, it's working now. Good stuff. Thanks!

placid sage
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getting this error while trying to install:

 BLK0: Alias(s):
      PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0x4,0x0)/Sata(0x0,0xFFFF,0x0)

Press ESC in 1 seconds to skip startup.nsh or any other key to continue.

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using the kvm image on current fedora

storm sluice
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tried pressing esc?

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or type exit in the efi shell

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also make sure the disk is set in the bootorder in the vm settings

placid sage
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thanks but i ended up just going with docker

plain leaf
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Hello all, one short question. Is, for testing purposes, a RPi 2 fast enough?

odd marlin
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It's very slow and also not supported by HAOS anymore. If you're just looking to try out HA and see if you like it, you'd likely be better off setting up a VM with Virtualbox or similar

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Alternatively if you have an old PC or old laptop sitting around that's up to around 10 years old, that's also a good option

plain leaf
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OK thank you for ur fast answer.
I already installed a Virtual Box, but wasn't able to get an network connection.
I will take a look into it later and try to get a connection

odd marlin
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It's been a while since I used Virtualbox, but I recall possibly needing to reboot after it installs its network drivers

copper steppe
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you should be using bridged networking in virtualbox, did you do that? check that

cinder wing
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when my pi is instelling itself ut sais failed to syngronyse kernel time and it doesnt show up when i go to the web cliënt any fix ?

cinder marsh
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if you have a monitor and keyboard connected

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or try enabling the ntp protocol on your router if available or changing the server to a working one

cinder wing
terse fossil
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Good morning! I am having annoying problem after fresh install of Home Assistant and restoring backup. None of my Add-Ons can be started, yet if I look in logs they actually are running! How can I stop them and start correctly???

brazen herald
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Did you refresh and clear your cache?

fallen lichen
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If that doesn't work a restart of the entire host or at least the supervisor (not just a dev tools->restart) should get it reporting correctly

terse fossil
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Let me try complete power off on.

terse fossil
brazen herald
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Because the addons are running and you can't see it 😉

manic bane
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Home assistant caches weird things in browser

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Half magic

terse fossil
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Ok did both, waiting for boot up

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Thank you all, it worked 🙂

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Now I can start and stop correctly, and leave what needs to be with autostart

low notch
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Webapps usually don‘t get to decide what to cache and wheter that is still valid and current, its the browsers decision. And webkit is pretty bonkers about it sometimes.

noble solstice
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Hello everyone !
I'have deploy Home assistant on k3s cluster via rancher and I put http configuration like this
http:
server_host: 0.0.0.0
ip_ban_enabled: true
login_attempts_threshold: 5
use_x_forwarded_for: true
trusted_proxies:

Pod CIDR

  • 10.69.0.0/16

Node CIDR

  • 192.168.42.0/24
    but when I wanna acces to Home assistant via a clusterIP service it will only shows the HA logo
brazen herald
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Did you put that in the configuration.yaml?

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Also, why do you want to run HA in a cluster? 🤪

storm sluice
noble solstice
storm sluice
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how does that even work?

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you run a browser in another pod?

noble solstice
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yes

storm sluice
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check the browser request logs maybe?

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it shouldt tell why/if something fails to load

noble solstice
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browser logs : Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 ()

finite thunder
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is it possible to install home assistant os on a raspberry pi zero w?

odd marlin
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No. The lowest level Pi supported is the rpi3 and that is not very fast

placid sage
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hello, i got a CORE installation (full manual in a venv), and i want ALL features

humble mirage
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You've got them

placid sage
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so i'm decided to migrate to a container because it is the only way acceptable for me

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no i don't have all feature

humble mirage
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Core vs Container ... HA is identical

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if by "all feature" you mean add-ons then you need HAOS

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HA itself remains the same, but you can then point and click in the UI to install other software

placid sage
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i mean the add-ons yes

humble mirage
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Well, Container won't give you those

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HAOS will

placid sage
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oh god

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but i can't yet got to HAOS because it requres to remove my existing OS

odd marlin
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You can run HAOS in a VM

placid sage
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and i got piHole running ion it

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running HAOS on a VM on a PI, not sure it will work

odd marlin
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Well, no not on a pi

placid sage
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my current setup is a PI3+

brazen herald
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Container install is where it's at for you.

odd marlin
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AdGuard Home is available as an add-on for HAOS. It does basically the same thing as pihole

placid sage
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but container is not giving more than my current setup

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i got also unifi running on my PI

odd marlin
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How are you running pihole, a Unifi controller, and HA on 1GB of RAM?

placid sage
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Ubiquiti Unifi controller

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yes i'am

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and it works FINE 🙂

humble mirage
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Well... no add-ons for you then

placid sage
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load average: 0.35, 0.19, 0.19

crude inlet
placid sage
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185Mb free memory, it is not swapping

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it is years i got this setup

humble mirage
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It will if you start adding more software

placid sage
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i don't want to add more sofrware but more addons

odd marlin
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Addons are software

placid sage
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it is peace of code let 's say

crude inlet
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that's exactly what add-ons are

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software other than HA

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are you referring to integrations?

placid sage
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for instance i got the broadcom appliance for IR

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for remote IR

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and i read it requires an addon to integrate it to HA

humble mirage
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No, it doesn't

placid sage
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oh sorry it is for eWeLink

humble scaffoldBOT
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#integrations-archived integrate Home Assistant with devices or services, or provide functionality within Home Assistant.

#add-ons-archived provide additional software or services, which an integration could possibility integrate with. Add-ons are for Home Assistant OS and Supervised only, other install methods can install software other ways.

humble mirage
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Yeah, ok, so that piece of shit is an add-on

placid sage
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oh it is bad ?

humble mirage
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It's a damned ugly hack by the author, to avoid writing a proper integration

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There are ... less bad options for that hardware

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Including not buying it 😛

placid sage
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i bought this shit because it was saying it is compatible with HA

crude inlet
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yeah the ewelink add-on is famous for it

humble mirage
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Don't trust the vendors 😉

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If you trust them you'll end up buying stuff like Tuya...

placid sage
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so i would not be able to integrate it ?

humble mirage
brazen herald
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I'm pretty sure my eWeLink Wi-Fi USB switches are working with a sonoff integration. Likely the one Tinkerer linked

placid sage
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so even if it is not SonOFF it should work ?

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i can see on the github "support new eWeLink API"

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😄

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HACS > Integrations > Plus > SonoffLAN

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i don't have that

humble mirage
#

Do you have HACS?

placid sage
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what is HACS ?

humble mirage
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Then the answer is no

placid sage
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i can install it on my HA Core install ?

humble mirage
#

Click the link on the word HACS in the text you posted

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It works on any HA install...

placid sage
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You have the my integration enabled.

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ok cool

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haha

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my: was missing in my config

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Congratulations, you're all set!

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can i stop my old appdaemon ?

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/home/appdaemon/bin/python3.6 /home/appdaemon/bin/appdaemon -c /home/appdaemon/.appdaemon/conf/ <== running for so many long

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it is even not the good python interpreter i'm using now for HA

humble mirage
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Well... you know if you can stop it or not

placid sage
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i just removed it

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HACS is not in my integration

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but i don't see how can i add SonOff

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this is what i see

humble mirage
#

HACS ... is on the sidebar

grand pivot
placid sage
#

excellent ! thanks

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indeed there is a new menu on left pannel, sorry to not seeint it previously

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perfect i just added it, it installed new stuff in ~/.homeassistant/custom_components/sonoff

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sounds good !! i thought i was going to go to a container but i can keep my venv at the end !!!

#

HOly shit, i control it now on HA !

#

do you think it is possible to disable the application ? to stop having China controlling my electricity 😄

humble mirage
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"the application"?

placid sage
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i got an app on my phone EweLink

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i m just wondering if removing this shit will remove the china access to my wifi sonoff thing

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but maybe i 've to keep it because the integration asked my login/pass of eWeLink

#

now, i got broadcom integration but it looks hard

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i want to use it for an Air Conditional

humble mirage
#

Maybe, maybe not

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Removing the app from your phone won't stop their devices talking to their cloud service

placid sage
#

i have to block China IP BLOCK on my FW i guess

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for the Broadlink/Broadcom IR Remote

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i thought it would be easy but it not for an Air heater

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when you click on the real remote, it sends always all the states (Temperature/Mode/Speed FAn/Power status)

odd marlin
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Maybe blocking it in your firewall will work, or maybe the device will detect that it can't talk to the cloud and stop working until it can again. Really depends on how they have it setup

agile yew
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Hi, might be a stupid question, but I couldnt solve it myself..
As a proud owner of the yellow, and had HA running for a couple of days I was going to show my son that we could turn on and off the lamps via app..

Instead i met
Unable to connect to Home Assistant.
Retrying in 54 seconds...

So I have done the "mandatory" reboot etc, still nothing :/

humble mirage
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Are you able to connect a keyboard and monitor?

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If not try port 4357 instead of 8123

agile yew
humble mirage
#

And?

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Are you able to connect a keyboard and monitor?

agile yew
#

Did not work with the other port either.. and now I cannot connect mouse or monitor as this is compute module and yellow board.

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If it can, I dont have hdmi/mini hdmi etc for connecting to a monitor

humble mirage
#

Yeah... no video out ... that's an "interesting" design choice

#

At this point a fresh install and restore of a backup is probably your only hope if you can't access it using SSH or Samba

agile yew
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Wohh! I think I figured out.. it worked with IP instead of the "homeassistant.local..." so exampe IP + port --> 192.168.129.10:8123/
Thanks for the support anyways @humble mirage

humble mirage
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mDNS is broken... again

#

Colour me shocked

odd marlin
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My MDNS never worked in the first place ¯_(ツ)_/¯

agile yew
#

"f***" when I tried to log in I got back to unable to connect to HA retrying in X seconds

humble mirage
#

Now try the observer port (4357) with the IP

agile yew
#

Home Assistant observer
Supervisor: Connected
Supported: Supported
Healthy: Healthy

humble mirage
humble mirage
agile yew
#

No, just started the switchover to yellow. Only thing I did was adding adguard as an addon.. can this have messed up my HA?

humble mirage
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It shouldn't have

crude inlet
#

well..."first thing i'm going to do is run a dns server" could be a problem

odd marlin
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To rule out browser weirdness, try Ctrl + F5 or open it in a private/incognito window (with the IP and port 8123)

agile yew
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When waiting, it gives me "lovelace auth callback etc etc"

odd marlin
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Are you running any sort of reverse proxy like nginx? The fact that you get a page at all in a different browser means it's responding in some capacity. Sounds a bit like a websocket problem

quasi light
#

Hi guys. Is it possible in a reasonable way finding out what in HAOS or its plugins are eating up all ram thrown at it? It is a small installation, not having many plugins etc. Still consuming almost all of 6GB...

agile yew
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No proxy, but can it be that since I have added some things to the blocklist of adguard it mess up?

storm sluice
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no idea, never used that

agile yew
#

Ok, so I can reach HA via my mobile in app..

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BRB kid woke up

odd marlin
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If you open a new tab, press F12 to open the browser's dev tools, select Network, then try to enter the HA URL, you should see info about the network requests it's making. You may be able to narrow it down to see if it's timing out or something

agile yew
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In the app it tells me login attempt failed --> with invalid authentication see the log for details. But I used same login yesterday with auth code to..

agile yew
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It is working now... no idea how but I turned off totp in HA.

random ivy
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Guys I have a question, Is it true that ubuntu OS is not the most recommended OS to use HA on docker?, should I switch to debian?

At the time I was using ubuntu for RBPi as it was the only 64bit OS for it, but now I can use RBPi OS

frozen plinth
copper steppe
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how to force an update-check for the new release?

random ivy
fallen lichen
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ha refresh-updates should do it though

frozen plinth
lean ferry
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I'm attempting to move from an Rpi3 to a home assistant VM on Unraid. I did the restore and everything appeared but my zigbee and zwave devices are not working. I passed the dongles through to the VM, but I'm thinking I must need to repoint them somewhere? I tried going to "Configure" under Settings->Devices & Services-> Zwave JS-> Configure but it just gives "Z-Wave JS: Retrying setup..." error.

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how can i check that the VM sees the dongles from CLI?

fallen lichen
lean ferry
fallen lichen
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Is there more to it than that? In the logs? Is the path to the device correct?

lean ferry
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I think that's the issue, I just clicked "Migrate Radio" and selected the path to the USB dongle... trying now

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hmmm - so it failed at last screen on migrate radio, it says path was "/dev/ttyACM0", but I wonder if it should be /dev/serial/ttyACM0

grand pivot
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Nope

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Should be under /dev/serial/by-id/...

fallen lichen
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You should also really look at the logs 🙂

cedar forge
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my date is 6 months behind, I have tried rebooting but no luck, it has access to the internet

calm stag
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Hi again all. I have setup mqtt with success, but the script that is supposed to help me discover/setting up shelly devices does not seem to make them beeing discovered, despite me seeing mqtt acitity while listening. https://github.com/bieniu/ha-shellies-discovery-gen2
I have setup python as per guide, made it run. I have setup configurations in in configurations.yaml and automations.yaml.

Any one have suggestions i would be very grateful. I do not have any errors when doing check in developer.

Thx in advance 🙂

lean ferry
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Ok so I'm back to work on my HomeAssistant migration, I tried using
/dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden_elektronik_ingenieurtechnik_GmbH_ConBee_II_DE2291306-if00 as my serial device path in the Zigbee config, but it didn't like that. Same error as with using /dev/ttyACM0

It's definitely something wrong with my path, logs say "FileNotFound"

Under Zigbee, Configure, Migrate Radio -> I get two options /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyUSB0 and "Enter Manually"

Under my Settings-Hardware-All Hardware it says it's under /dev/ttyACM0 but it says Failed to Connect with either that or the longer version above

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serial.serialutil.SerialException: [Errno 2] could not open port /dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden_elektronik_ingenieurtechnik_GmbH_ConBee_II_DE2291306-if00: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden_elektronik_ingenieurtechnik_GmbH_ConBee_II_DE2291306-if00

fallen lichen
lean ferry
lean ferry
lean ferry
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Well, this is complicated. Geez. It's working but I dont know exactly why. Lots of reboots and settings in Unraid. Sounds like an unraid problem.

plush marlin
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You're probably going to use less resource and be more stable installing Docker containers for HA Core, and then using Containers for Node Red, Zigbee2mqtt and Zwavejsui, and whatever other addons

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Also breaks it all up a little meaning it's not all tied to HA

storm sluice
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how is it more broken up? it still runs in the same vm/machine then. also not sure breaking it up is really a good thing

dense herald
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I've been using my Pi 3B+ for quite a while now, and the SD card was suddenly spitting out errors. I had foreseen this, though and used a USB drive as the data disk as to not lose all the data when formatting the SD card. The problem is that I can't find any way to tell the newly installed HOAS to use the existing USB drive instead of setting it up like new. Is there any way to tell the new installation to use the data that's already on the USB drive? And if that won't work, is there any way to get one of the snapshots off of the USB drive? I can't find what type of file system it is anywhere...

odd marlin
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The external drive is just a single ext4 partition

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You can pull a backup off of that if you mount it from a Linux machine or a bootable Linux USB. It lives in /path/to/drive/supervisor/backup

dense herald
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I'm using a fairly old live iso though, idk if that could be the issue

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Probably not, I assume

odd marlin
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Looking at mine here, it's a GPT partition table and 1 ext4 partition labeled hassos-data-external. Is it possible your ISO is old enough to not support GPT partition tables?

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My go-to is SystemRescueCD for trying to salvage systems/drives

dense herald
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gparted > view > file system support shows it supports ext4

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By very old I mean maybe 3/4 years

odd marlin
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oh, that's plenty new enough, hmm

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The whole drive shows up as unknown? Just the partition?

dense herald
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the disk drive has one partition which shows as an unknown file system

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And 1mb unallocated for some reason

odd marlin
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I'd try just mounting it read-only and see what happens. mount -o ro /mnt /dev/whatever1

dense herald
odd marlin
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Any useful data about it with lsblk -f /dev/sdc?

dense herald
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The only column with any information is the name lol

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Rest is empty

odd marlin
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You could see what's in the superblock. There will be a magic identifier if it's ext4 hexdump -C /dev/sdc1 | head -n 20

dense herald
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No idea what to do with this or how to read it, though

00000010  00 00 00 00 00 f8 00 00  3f 00 ff 00 00 08 00 00  |........?.......|
00000020  00 00 00 00 80 00 00 00  ff b7 f3 00 00 00 00 00  |................|
00000030  00 00 0c 00 00 00 00 00  02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|
00000040  f6 00 00 00 01 00 00 00  ba af fa d0 c8 fa d0 d4  |................|
00000050  00 00 00 00 fa 33 c0 8e  d0 bc 00 7c fb 68 c0 07  |.....3.....|.h..|
00000060  1f 1e 68 66 00 cb 88 16  0e 00 66 81 3e 03 00 4e  |..hf......f.>..N|
00000070  54 46 53 75 15 b4 41 bb  aa 55 cd 13 72 0c 81 fb  |TFSu..A..U..r...|
00000080  55 aa 75 06 f7 c1 01 00  75 03 e9 dd 00 1e 83 ec  |U.u.....u.......|
00000090  18 68 1a 00 b4 48 8a 16  0e 00 8b f4 16 1f cd 13  |.h...H..........|
odd marlin
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That looks like an NTFS partition. I wonder if they used to use NTFS when you moved your data and now it uses ext4

dense herald
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ntfs would also show up in gparted though, right?

odd marlin
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If the Linux environment doesn't have the NTFS driver (usually called ntfs-3g), it wouldn't be detected

dense herald
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ntfs-3g was already automatically installed apparently

odd marlin
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Try mount.ntfs-3g -o ro /mnt /dev/sdc1

dense herald
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Says that NTFS signature is missing

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aka doesn't recognize it as ntfs

odd marlin
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The plot thickens

dense herald
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😩

crude inlet
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it's always been ext4

dense herald
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Actually, now that I think about it, the errors that were thrown at me were about invalid GPT headers. I'm guessing the usb drive was the thing that died, and not the sd card?

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Then again, still a weird state for the drive to be in

odd marlin
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Maybe a silly question, but you're sure that /dev/sdc is the external drive right?

dense herald
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Yes

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It's the only drive of that size

odd marlin
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As for just putting the drive into a new install, I've never tried that and didn't see it in the docs which is why I was trying to go down the route of helping you rescue the backups

dense herald
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Also, gparted does show that the name of the partition is hassos-data-external

dense herald
odd marlin
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I'm guessing you don't have a backup saved elsewhere?

dense herald
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From a long while ago :(

odd marlin
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I would try booting up a live CD of SystemRescueCD. There's all sorts of tools on there for file recovery. If it is the external drive that died, you may be able to track down a backup on it

dense herald
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Hmm I'll try HBCD, since I have that one already on my multiboot. Otherwise I'll check it out.

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Thanks for the help though!

odd marlin
dense herald
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Will definitely do!

copper steppe
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I backup to google drive. Works nicely

prime heron
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Aloha 👋

humble scaffoldBOT
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@prime heron I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
odd marlin
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If you need more complex storage options, you should consider a HA Container install instead

fierce laurel
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i have installed a fresh install of debian on a old laptop. What is my next step to start setting up everything?

placid sage
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i see a notice saying python 3.9.2 is going to be deprecated. So i'm on the way to install Python-3.11.1. is there any alternative of compiling it ? no package for PiOS ?

graceful crypt
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Hey! I‘m having problems with proxy-redir (NGINX) to home-assistant. My setup works for external access, but when I access the ssl domain of an device inside my local network it wont initialize/ redirects to my routers web-panel.

frozen plinth
placid sage
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oh i'm right now compiling 3.11

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currently i'm running 3.9.2

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so i can finish the compile but wait a bit before migrating

frozen plinth
manic bane
placid sage
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so i should also compile 3.10 then ?

manic bane
frozen plinth
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3.9’is still supported. 3.10 is the max.

manic bane
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Otherwise can stay on 3.9

placid sage
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when will 3.9 be kick out ?

fierce laurel
manic bane
placid sage
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i'm doing all python update since 3.6, it is quiet common now

manic bane
fierce laurel
manic bane
fierce laurel
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8-10years

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It is faster then a pi4

frozen plinth
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Does it have uefi?

fierce laurel
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I do think so. If it is bios then yes

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Can't post a image of bios

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CPU pentium n370 1.6ghz
4096mb Memory

fierce laurel
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Do i install haos in a VM or is it a full install like Debian?

low notch
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You get a pre installed disk image

high token
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You need to flash the internal disk of the laptop with the HAOS image

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either removing it and flashing it from another computer or booting a linux OS and flashing it that way

dreamy jay
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Is it possible to install multiple HA Supervised Instances on one machine

fierce laurel
humble mirage
high token
fierce laurel
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I'm a bit lost.

Haos is a standalone os that i can install on my laptop.
While doing so do it the "normal" way ofusing balens etcher to load haos on the USB, access it via boot and install it from there?

high token
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OS like Ubuntu/Debian etc have the option to flash it to a USB drive, boot that USB and from there install it on the internal drive

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HAOS doesn't have that option

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the images needs to be flashed directly to the drive

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either taking the drive out, using an adapter and flashing the drive with e.g. Balena

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or if that is not an option you need to boot Ubuntu Live through a USB (not installing it) and from there download HAOS and install it on the drive

fierce laurel
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I have a emmc storage on that laptop so removing it is not an option.

Going via Ubuntu live sounds like fairly easy way

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Thanks for explaining it 😊

prime heron
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Is there any way to get access to the "real" host system CLI on Home Assistant OS (Blue)?
Using the addon-ssh I only get limited access to the host system, as I'm nested inside a docker container.

The reason I would like to access the host is that I would like to use these udev rules to auto-mount USB drives.
https://gist.github.com/eklex/c5fac345de5be9d9bc420510617c86b5

humble mirage
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  1. There's not really much on the "real host"
  2. The OS is disposable anyway
  3. Connect a keyboard and monitor
dense herald
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But connecting a keyboard and monitor also works. Just type login when it's booted and you'll get a Linux shell

prime heron
prime heron
prime heron
fallen lichen
prime heron
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As it's on the overlay fs, I would assume that it is. I'll find out in time. 😅
And the docs you linked agree with that.

golden walrus
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Hi all. I'm preparing to migrate from my RPi HAOS install which uses z2m to my synology NAS. I have the usb port sorted, docker installed, HA container installed (but not logged in yet), mosquitto container installed and seemingly working via mqtt explorer.

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in terms of how to actually migrate.. ive read that i can backup my current config dir and copy it over to my new HA install's config dir. This config contains a zigbee2mqtt dir for the z2m addon, though. I believe i can move the dir to my zibee2mqtt container data dir. am i on the right track?

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i want to be especially sure i dont need to repair all my zigbee devices

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i'll also move the nas to the same local IP the RPi install was

vale panther
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(Moving from general) I have HA - generic x86 HAOS on NUC on which I am experiencing regular crashes. Can anybody recommend a debugging procedure which I can use to track down the source of the crash please?

humble mirage
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Is it just HA that's crashing, or more?

vale panther
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I haven't plugged a screen in, but the device becomes unreachable via the network. I'm using the ethernet not the Wifi and BLE is disabled

humble mirage
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Did you install the SSH add-on?

vale panther
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yes

humble mirage
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And does the SSH add-on respond?

vale panther
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Not tried, I will do when it next crashes which should be this evening

humble mirage
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That'll at least tell us if it's the host, or just the HA container

golden walrus
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can anyone provide insight on migrating zigbee2mqtt from my HAOS install to a docker container? I want to do this today but im nervous about losing my device pairings! 🙂

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Is there risk of my zigbee devices getting screw up in a way that even if i move the dongle back to the RPi and boot that up things wouldnt work like they did?

humble mirage
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More for #zigbee-archived - but take a backup and you can extract the Z2M config from that

I think that @brazen herald recently did this so may be able to shed more light

golden walrus
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ok thanks

brazen herald
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I'll reply in the Zigbee channel

exotic wyvern
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so im attempting to move from supervised to haos kvm. At startup, it gives me the option to restore a full backup, which is about a 2gb tar file. Is there anyway to monitor this restore?

humble mirage
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Sadly no

crude inlet
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I also wouldn't try a 2GB restore at onboarding

exotic wyvern
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ha info shows the current state as freeze

crude inlet
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Set it up, then use samba or ftp to upload that backup

golden walrus
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does the contents of the HA config dir include my account/log in info? In other words, if i restore those files to my new install, will my logins work? I have my fresh install but havent created a user yet.

humble mirage
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Yes

golden walrus
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I have some backups that i made in my HAOS install, full backups. if i dig through the folders that are archived, i see a bunch of json files, but not the actual configuration files i expect to see. It seems that i can't use this to copy to my new installation. I'll need to archive teh HA config dir myself, eh?

humble mirage
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They're in .storage/

golden walrus
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ah ok thanks

exotic wyvern
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well, doesnt really give a failure, it just never reconnects and i have no way to monitor its status, which seems crazy. not even a log from cli?

crude inlet
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@exotic wyvern you can use the su logs to somewhat see progress

exotic wyvern
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ha logs doesnt show much

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i know addons have been restored as i see them when using ha addons, but the ha info state is still frozen and no web gui access

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ok, i think i got it restored.

rapid trail
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Currently have my HA setup on my unraid server in a docker container but curious what the benefits of moving it to a RPI4 would be? It seems like the biggest benefit is during power outages since you can power a rpi4 much easier than an entire server. Are there any others?

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We don't often get blackouts where I am, and I already have a UPS to cover any short spurts of outages.

humble mirage
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The main benefit would be that you get to wonder when you'll wake up to a dead smart home because the SD card failed

rapid trail
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lol

humble mirage
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Pi4 with a powered USB hub and an SSD is ok though

rapid trail
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Yeah, I think I'll stick with unraid lol

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ty for the input!

golden walrus
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I've been on a RPi4 w/ SSD for about 18months no without a single hiccup. Just to screw with myself, im moving it to my NAS in docker

rapid trail
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the convenience is a huge benefit. I run so many docker containers and they are all easily accessible

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I just happen to have a rpi4 laying around so was trying to give myself a reason to use it lol

odd marlin
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I've had no problems with my rpi4+SSD either, but it probably doesn't make sense to go from a server to a pi unless you're trying to downsize your power budget or something

golden walrus
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yeh im learning docker as i go and i'm really liking what i'm seeing. Really cool.

humble mirage
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Even then, if the NAS is going to stay on you're likely to increase your overall power consumption

rapid trail
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yeah, that has been something I've been juggling bc I live in a hurricane area. So have been thinking about how I can downsize the power budget and run it off a UPS for a few hours but really if we're without power it's not just gonna be a few hours.

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Obviously could tap into our gas line and get a generator installed if I truly cared but that's expensive and likely overkill

exotic wyvern
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@rapid trail i mean, during that time, is smart home stuff really that important? 😛

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im down in SWFL myself, so completely understand where you are coming from

rapid trail
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haha no, not at all. I think it's just one of those things where it is only needed maybe once or twice a year but would be fantastic if you had it.

golden walrus
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I still have my main lights on a Hue hub so that can work independant of HA. It is integrated into HA though

exotic wyvern
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dont spend tons of time on something like that imho, not worth your time

rapid trail
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yeah, that's what I'm learning. There's a line, similar to security. You can spend a lot but if someone wants in, they are getting in unless it's ft. knox lol

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gotta balance it!

exotic wyvern
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100%

rapid trail
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struggling with that for home security right now as well. I've already got outdoor cameras and plan to get sensors. Do I truly need to setup alarmo etc for piece of mind? idk... just more shit that I think about at 2am when I can't sleep!

exotic wyvern
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@rapid trail i get you for sure. My cams are really only there live viewing to keep an eye on my kids

humble mirage
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You can do a lot by integrating Zigbee sensors into HA, and your choice of siren device (like existing media players)

rapid trail
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yeah, I went down that rabbit hole. But as I don't really have an existing smart home. I'm in that weird middle area where do I wait for matter support?

humble mirage
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Nah

exotic wyvern
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@rapid trail are you down here in FL?

humble mirage
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You'll always find something new and "better" on the horizon

rapid trail
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I know HK has eve which supports thread and matter so I contemplated those sensors for future proofing

rapid trail
exotic wyvern
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im in Bonita Springs

rapid trail
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St. Pete for me

exotic wyvern
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nice. Was just at Treasure Island a little over a week ago

rapid trail
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If I was more suburban I probably wouldn't be as invested in home security. But St. Pete going thru a lot of gentrification and development so you have houses like mine sprinkled amongst 60+ year old shacks.

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great area! that's the beach I always go to, sunset beach on treasure island, great small hidden gem of a beach

rapid trail
humble mirage
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Sure... if you want to wait a year or two

rapid trail
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haha that's why I was leaning towards eve products that use thread

humble mirage
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This is Home Assistant, you can run a whole bunch of ecosystems

rapid trail
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and will support matter.

humble mirage
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Thread and Matter are still pretty new, and a bit of a shit show

rapid trail
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I feel like all Home automation is really... not for the faint of heart.

humble mirage
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Put it this way, Matter is already proving to not be all it was promised 😉

low notch
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just wait for Matter2.0 and throw out the 1.0 stuff

rapid trail
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what? surely not... that has never happened before. big companies promising something and reneging?

maiden mesa
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It is going to be a good long while before you have a device ecosystem that can compare to existing solutions, loooooong

rapid trail
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yeah... ring contact sensors look might good from a price standpoint but I like being able to use HK where I can. However, I have to use HA for what I have now (unifi network/cameras).

maiden mesa
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if you're waiting for things to exist let alone competition and reputability, going to be a bit

rapid trail
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If money wasn't a factor would you choose eve door and window sensors or ring contact sensors? Both have pretty great reviews.

low notch
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aqara window sensor best

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very smol

rapid trail
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any privacy concerns there?

humble mirage
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Zigbee... so no

odd marlin
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It's Zigbee, so no. It's local

humble mirage
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I personally prefer the Terncy sensors over the Xiaomi ones, they're a tiny bit smaller and nicer... but they cost more

rapid trail
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nice, local is good. I will check those out! thank you

odd marlin
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If you go with #zigbee-archived for Aqara sensors you'll need a coordinator and some wired devices to act as routers to expand your coverage

rapid trail
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shit that's right. That's another reason I was leaning eve bc I have some thread border routers already.

low notch
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people are always kind of afraid of this coordinator purchase, but it will save you the money afterwards multiple times

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and you get a lot more device compatibility with it, the variety alone

rapid trail
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yeah I'll have to do some comparisons and research on it for sure.

humble mirage
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Basically, Zigbee is already a rich ecosystem with a massive range of devices. Thread and Matter are still mostly promises

drowsy bough
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anyone know if i need the aqara switches to be close to the sonoff adapter to add it?

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cant add some of the switches

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i thought that switches with neutral wire are repeaters.

storm sluice
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yeah pretty sure the neutral switches are routers

drowsy bough
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ohh i got it now

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i had to do the join via thing

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working now 🙂

grand pivot
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seems like you shouldn't need to do that, but I did with some plugs in my Faraday-cage garage

fierce laurel
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I f*cked up a bit with my installation.

I installed HAOS via ubuntu live and flashed into my laptop. Did everything and started it up just to understand i have to have network cable attached to it and the computer have no ethernet cable port. Can i somehow solve it and run the laptop via its wifi?

grand pivot
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no

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just don't

fierce laurel
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Thats a bummer..

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what about thoose usb - ethernet adapters. would that work?

grand pivot
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yes

fierce laurel
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Thanks

storm sluice
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there is laptops without ethernet?

humble mirage
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The one I'm using right now doesn't have wired networking

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The last one I used only had 100 Mb/s wired networking as it wasn't really expected to be used

drowsy bough
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do i need ikea tradfri gateway if i want to control the lights?

maiden mesa
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you need some sort of zigbee coordinator

humble mirage
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No, you need some form of Zigbee

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I'd recommend using ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT over any branded gateway

drowsy bough
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i have a sonoff zdongle e

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i added all my aqara switches

maiden mesa
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tradfri will limit you to tradfri while a zigbee coordinator will let you use 90+% of zigbee devices including tradfri

drowsy bough
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but i also have tradfri light bulbs

humble mirage
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So?

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I use mine with Zigbee2MQTT... no Tradfri gatetway in sight

drowsy bough
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how do i get the lights in join mode

maiden mesa
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tradfri is their zigbee line and all of that stuff should work with zha/z2m

humble mirage
drowsy bough
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ah ok

grand pivot
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I would say that most modern laptops don't have an RJ45 plug built-in due to the size of the plug and the size of the laptop and require some sort of dongle. That's increasingly some sort of USB adapter

maiden mesa
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yeah, I have one that unfolds and it's janky 🙂

grand pivot
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I'm actually kinda surprised that there hasn't been a push to standardize a smaller RJxx connector

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there's a ton of plastic in there

brisk willow
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RJ22.5

lunar kraken
fresh marten
lunar kraken
fresh marten
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scroll down to eMMC modules for year 2016~2019

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mhmmmmmmmm... red square could be for linux C2

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by any change in a odroid discord? users from there might be better suited to answer this question

lunar kraken
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N2 seems to be purple squares now days. But is it important Linux/or android?

fresh marten
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I would guess so.
Probably there is some hardware madness going on, go for linux when you want to play with home assistant.

placid sage
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Hi to all, my problem Homeassistant for PI 3b cannot be installed. Stucks during update phase. Time is wrong (1 hour) less. With a PI4 no problems. I used the 64 bit and also 32bit version nothing worked. Read a lot in homeassistant newsgroups, but found no hint. Does anybody have the same issue? Any ideas? thanks

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got this error: [supervisor.jobs] 'Updater.fetch_data' blocked from execution, no supervisor internet connection

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every 30s

dense herald
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And is the ethernet plugged in?

placid sage
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yes

dense herald
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Have you tested the cable with another device

placid sage
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now wifi used the correct ha image

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yes

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with a pi4

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any ideas or is it a known issue with the pi3 image?

odd marlin
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The pi3 is still supported and should be working. Did you check the console to see if you were getting an internet connection?

placid sage
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yes it seems that there is no internet connection. I looked into cli.

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but this is strange for the pi4 everything works fine.

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there seems to be an issue with the dns-server: [supervisor.resolution.checks.base] Run check for IssueType.DNS_SERVER_FAILED/ContextType.DNS_SERVER

odd marlin
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ha network info will show the IP, DNS servers, etc

placid sage
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i looked on it everything looked ok

odd marlin
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If you type login at the ha > prompt, you'll get a shell and can try pinging out to the internet and verify any connectivity issues

dense herald
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Btw, update on the corrupt datadisk: I managed to find a lot of Core related files, but no backups :(

odd marlin
dense herald
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I haven't managed to fix the file system. I just scanned the entire drive with multiple recovery programs

placid sage
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i use a sd card on the pi

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what do you mean by update the corrupt data disk, I used a fresh installation image

dense herald
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That's my problem, nothing to do with yours 😅

placid sage
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problems occur directly after flashing the image, first boot (Preparing Home assistant....)

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it seems to be that the time is not updated. time is 1 hour behind

odd marlin
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The time is likely wrong because it can't connect to the internet to sync

placid sage
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maybe you can tell me the ha commands to correct the dns-connection

odd marlin
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You should make sure you can ping out to the internet etc first. If you don't have an internet connection, DNS won't work

dense herald
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When connecting to any server the first thing that happens is a DNS request, so if you don't have internet the first thing that fails is the DNS

odd marlin
placid sage
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when updating configuration.yaml there is no possibility to refresh the conf without restarting HA ?

dense herald
vale panther
dense herald
placid sage
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previously it was not at this place

odd marlin
placid sage
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thanks for your help

dense herald
odd marlin
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I'd probably start with a basic fsck if it'll recognize it

dense herald
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Alright, had to switch to Linux.
You mean just fsck /dev/sdc1?

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Because that's giving the same error about an invalid superblock

odd marlin
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Yeah that's what I meant for the fsck. What kind of drive is it? An SSD?

dense herald
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A flash drive 😬

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(I hate myself as well dw)

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It says it has a bad magic number

odd marlin
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oh, ouch. They're definitely harder to recover from in general

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Which file recovery tools have you tried so far?

low notch
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what are we talking? haos disk image backup or debian?

dense herald
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haos

dense herald
low notch
dense herald
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😭

odd marlin
golden walrus
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Hi all, i just migrated my system from a raspberry pi to a docker container. Everything seems to be working well, except i have an error logged at startup. It says teh following platformsm and integrations could not be setup: hassio, raspberry_pi

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i guess theyre from old addons i no longer have with the docker container

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where are they being called so i can remove them?

brazen herald
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Did you check the integrations list and the configuration.yaml?

golden walrus
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i checked configuration.yaml but its pretty sparse. only thing i think i added there a while back is system monitor, but that appears to be working with the new computer

humble scaffoldBOT
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@golden walrus I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
brazen herald
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Then you need to check the integrations list 🙂

golden walrus
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where is that?

humble scaffoldBOT
golden walrus
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oh, well i actually did have a raspberry_pi integration shown through the integrations GUI and i deleted it. restarted HA. still have this error

brazen herald
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Odd. Do you have anything named Raspberry Pi?

golden walrus
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hrm let me check devices/entities

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nope

brazen herald
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What is the exact error?

golden walrus
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i had to install somethign once for the RPi case thing i use. Argon or something. let me look into what i did there

humble scaffoldBOT
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brazen herald