#zigbee-archived | Home Assistant | Page 163

ocean cloak Dec 2, 2021, 6:35 AM

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It's a Philips Hue motion sensor

austere patio Dec 2, 2021, 7:02 AM

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ocean cloak It's a Philips Hue motion sensor

If your radio doesn't expose RSSI, LQI for TI radios is calculated as just 0=min RSSI and 255=max RSSI.

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All of the radios that I'm aware of expose LQI info, which is a better indication than just raw RSSI

ocean cloak Dec 2, 2021, 7:14 AM

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Where would I view this though?

austere patio Dec 2, 2021, 7:14 AM

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What integration are you using?

ocean cloak Dec 2, 2021, 7:14 AM

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zigbee

austere patio Dec 2, 2021, 7:14 AM

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ZHA? Z2M? deCONZ?

ocean cloak Dec 2, 2021, 7:14 AM

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ZHA

austere patio Dec 2, 2021, 7:15 AM

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It's shown in the device page

ocean cloak Dec 2, 2021, 7:15 AM

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Thanks I see it!

austere patio Dec 2, 2021, 7:15 AM

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It's also shown in the network visualization as the numbers between devices

ocean cloak Dec 2, 2021, 7:16 AM

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Where is that? I think I've stumbled across it before

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Think I found it. Odd, though, there doesn't seem to be a line connecting my hub with the zigbee device. Why might that be?

austere patio Dec 2, 2021, 7:19 AM

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It may not be connected directly to your coordinator

ocean cloak Dec 2, 2021, 7:20 AM

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What do you mean directly?

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My coordinator is on the network via ethernet which is how ha communicates with it

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but it would have to go through the hub to talk to ha

austere patio Dec 2, 2021, 7:21 AM

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Zigbee is a mesh network so your end device may not necessarily communicate directly with the coordinator

ocean cloak Dec 2, 2021, 7:21 AM

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It's my only zigbee device right now

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And even so, it would still have a line to some other device if it was on a mesh, no?

austere patio Dec 2, 2021, 7:22 AM

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In that case it probably hasn't been scanned by the visualization tool yet, I think it does it only every couple of hours

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But it's best-effort, not every connection can always be picked up

ocean cloak Dec 2, 2021, 7:23 AM

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Well it's been hooked up for a while, though I have had some downtime with ha a few hours ago

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In any case, I need some downtime so I'm off to bed. Thanks for the help!

autumn warren Dec 2, 2021, 9:02 AM

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@twilit narwhal Thank you!

valid wharf Dec 2, 2021, 10:21 AM

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Hi!

I have an issue with my ZigBee network and I don't know how to fix it. Hope anyone here could help me out.

I have one sensor that was not sending update values and a switch that seems to be unreachable by the node.

I have forced deleted both (because delete failed) and now when trying to pair them again those never join the network again.

Permit join is enabled.

Any clues? Should I provide the log? (I got it in debug mode)

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 10:22 AM

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Please answer the question in the channel topic

valid wharf Dec 2, 2021, 10:43 AM

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sour shadow Please answer the question in the channel topic

Sorry. Where is apropiate to ask?

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 10:43 AM

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Did you read the channel topic?

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Top of the window

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It tells you to tell us one really important thing

valid wharf Dec 2, 2021, 10:46 AM

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Sorry, I'm on mobile and that info was hidden in the right pannel.

I'm using zigbee2mqtt through a CC2652P tube coordinator

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 10:47 AM

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You probably need to restart Z2M to have the devices show up again

valid wharf Dec 2, 2021, 10:47 AM

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Ok. Restarting 👍

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Classical fix 🤣

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 10:48 AM

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There was a bug introduced around 1.20 where if you deleted a device it wouldn't show in the UI again until you restart Z2M

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It would turn up in HA though

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(at least, usually)

valid wharf Dec 2, 2021, 10:49 AM

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It has rebooted now. Stll not seeing the devices. I'm going to try again the pair procedure

valid wharf Dec 2, 2021, 11:07 AM

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Not adding any new devices. I got three entities that have ñ caracter in their names. I have changed the names to avoid it and rebooted again

valid wharf Dec 2, 2021, 11:31 AM

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I have managed to pair one (a magnetic door/window sensor). Will try the other one in a bit

mighty river Dec 2, 2021, 12:03 PM

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Can someone help me out with deconz?
i had to restore the server from a backup. Everything else is running fine ( zwave too) but my deconz can not connect.
Fehler beim Einrichten: could not authenticate

umbral grove Dec 2, 2021, 12:35 PM

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I having trouble locating my ZigStart Stick V4 on MacOs. $ ls /dev/tty.* gives me only /dev/tty.Bluetooth-Incoming-Port as a result, same as with the zigbee adapter unplugged.. any tips?

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Running on an older macbook pro running High-Sierra (10.13.6)

crude otter Dec 2, 2021, 12:40 PM

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i only have one tty.* device

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are you sure its got the '.' in it?

umbral grove Dec 2, 2021, 12:42 PM

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It's also not there when executing ls /dev/tty*

crude otter Dec 2, 2021, 12:51 PM

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never dealt with zigbee on macos personally

umbral grove Dec 2, 2021, 12:55 PM

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maybe I should ask in #hardware-archived

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 12:55 PM

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This is the right channel

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You just need to wait for people that know Mac to turn up

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This may take a while

crude otter Dec 2, 2021, 12:55 PM

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im a macos user, but i dont run HA on it

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im seeing what i can figure out now

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does it at least show up in "System Information"

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or 'lsusb' if you have it

cerulean abyss Dec 2, 2021, 1:02 PM

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Were there any drivers needed for it?

crude otter Dec 2, 2021, 1:03 PM

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FTDI stuff works out of the box on 10.9+

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what chipset is the ZigStar thing?

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if its a Prolific, i believe you still need to install a driver

vestal atlas Dec 2, 2021, 1:05 PM

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@umbral grove it uses ch340 serial chip, so you need to install the driver https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/how-to-install-ch340-drivers/all#mac-osx

crude otter Dec 2, 2021, 1:06 PM

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ahh CH340

umbral grove Dec 2, 2021, 1:22 PM

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Ah cool, going to try that now, thanks!

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Got it 😄 /dev/tty.wchusbserial410. Thanks!

ember bluff Dec 2, 2021, 2:05 PM

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I want to switch from ZHA to Zigbee2MQTT ? Does it worth it (~30 devices) ? I read it could be smoothed by buying a second USB dongle and had new ZigBee devices with ZB2MQTT with the second one. Anyone tried that ? Thanks.

jolly narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 2:12 PM

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Well, what stick do you have today ? @ember bluff repairing devices with z2m is fast, when I moved from the 2531 to my previous 1352p2 I just repaired all and 60ish devices was around 45 minutes

lofty flare Dec 2, 2021, 2:48 PM

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hey guys - im looking to see how I can update my Zigbee2mqtt
Current version: 1.18.1-1

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 2:49 PM

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pins

lofty flare Dec 2, 2021, 2:49 PM

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usually it shows update available in the HA superivsor

jolly narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 2:49 PM

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sounds like #add-ons-archived

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Nah, it's answered in the pinned messages

jolly narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 2:49 PM

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👀

lofty flare Dec 2, 2021, 2:50 PM

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I love HA Discord. Come get help, and tell people to go to another channel

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suck putzes

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 2:50 PM

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🤔

jolly narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 2:50 PM

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I actually had to google that

lofty flare Dec 2, 2021, 2:51 PM

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can you show me how to see hte pinned messages?

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I see the link to zigbee2mqtt github

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 2:51 PM

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📌

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You can find that, surely, up in the top?

lofty flare Dec 2, 2021, 2:51 PM

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it seems to be truncated sir

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oh i see the f-ing pin

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 2:52 PM

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What are you using, a 240x120 pixel screen?

lofty flare Dec 2, 2021, 2:52 PM

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got it

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goti ti

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 2:52 PM

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blobmindblown

lofty flare Dec 2, 2021, 2:52 PM

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120x120

jolly narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Hey, no resolution shaming

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320x240 crew

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 2:53 PM

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You don't need to copy and paste it here

lofty flare Dec 2, 2021, 2:53 PM

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i do

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 2:53 PM

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Then... I need to clean up for you

lofty flare Dec 2, 2021, 2:54 PM

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I can do this all day

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 2:54 PM

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Good news, I can fix that 😉

grizzled orbit Dec 2, 2021, 3:20 PM

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Hi all I have a question regarding ZHA using Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus

obsidian sandalBOT Dec 2, 2021, 3:21 PM

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Don't ask to ask, just ask your question. Then people can answer when they're around.

When you do ask a question, try to provide as much background detail as possible. Ask yourself these questions first so that others don't have to:

What version of the Home Assistant are you running? (remember, last isn't a version)
What exactly are you trying to do that won't work?
Is the problem uniform or erratic?
What's the exact error message?
When did it arise?
What exactly don't you "get"?
Can you share sample code, ideally with line errors where the error occurs?

grizzled orbit Dec 2, 2021, 3:21 PM

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why I can't see the links signal quality on map?

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on the ZHA network map I can't see the links between devices

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 3:23 PM

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A lack of links for end devices isn't uncommon

grizzled orbit Dec 2, 2021, 3:24 PM

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😦

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 3:25 PM

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Are you seeing links between routers and the coordinator/other routers?

grizzled orbit Dec 2, 2021, 3:25 PM

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no

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 3:25 PM

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Well, that's less common ablobjoy

grizzled orbit Dec 2, 2021, 3:25 PM

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I cant paste image here...

obsidian sandalBOT Dec 2, 2021, 3:25 PM

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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

grizzled orbit Dec 2, 2021, 3:26 PM

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maybe is the Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus

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that not support it

sour shadow Dec 2, 2021, 3:26 PM

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It should, the same chipset on Z2M certainly shows links

grizzled orbit Dec 2, 2021, 3:30 PM

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don't know but is not working

slate fulcrum Dec 2, 2021, 3:30 PM

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I'm moving deconz integration to a new server, what is the best way to change the endpoint in home assistant?

grizzled orbit Dec 2, 2021, 3:30 PM

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the device are working fine

median jasper Dec 2, 2021, 3:31 PM

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There is something fishy with the zigbee2mqtt on my hassos.... Yesterday I had a couple of zigbee devices visible in the mosquitto broker integration... this morning I had all the devices visible and now I have only 1 left.. All devices is working in the zigbee2mqtt dashboard.. what can be causing this behaviour? Apparently my config should be OK since they were there earlier? (I have been away all day so not changed anything..)

ember bluff Dec 2, 2021, 4:13 PM

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jolly narwhal Well, what stick do you have today ? <@!703336346680295445> repairing devices wi...

Conbee2

jolly narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 4:52 PM

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ember bluff Conbee2

Then buy something else before you move to z2m

prisma shell Dec 2, 2021, 5:12 PM

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no way I hate voice shit too 🙂

jolly narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 5:14 PM

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I just noticed I can use voice to turn up the steering wheel heat on my car, and I love it Catblushie

spice kelp Dec 2, 2021, 7:03 PM

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anyone have a favorite router to extend range? or are things like ikea outlets usually sufficient?

tropic depot Dec 2, 2021, 7:03 PM

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for outlets... the sengled plugs with power metering work well

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https://www.amazon.com/Sengled-Compatible-Required-Appliances-Certified/dp/B08FJ5LHSN

spice kelp Dec 2, 2021, 7:08 PM

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interesting. how frequent is the power reporting? or does it work on a change threshold?

molten linden Dec 2, 2021, 7:19 PM

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here's one of mine monitoring a 3d printer power:

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https://imgur.com/a/zqlw6fn

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watched it for a bit as it took the screen shot and think it was updating on changes, as saw it update at liek 10 secs then again at 4sec

tropic depot Dec 2, 2021, 7:41 PM

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it's based on the configure reporting call for the metering cluster

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on change but we configure the threshold (ZHA)

spice kelp Dec 2, 2021, 8:27 PM

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that looks good enough, thanks 👍

desert cloak Dec 2, 2021, 9:29 PM

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Does anyone know how to change the power reporting frequency of blitzwolf/tuya TS0121 plug socket? Seems to send the values once a minute by default and that is not suitable for my needs.

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Zigbee2mqtt is in use

twilit narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 9:33 PM

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jolly narwhal Then buy something else before you move to z2m

I have to say this... ConBee II stick is not anymore on experimental status in Z2M. It's even listed as "recommended" (check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/#recommended).
Sure you need to update the firmware to 26720700 to fully support all functionality but it's not uncommon to flash CC2652 either.
Maybe the message "buy something else before moving to Z2M" is a bit extreme (I use ConBee II with Z2M and I am quite happy with it now - used to be a bit rough, but very stable now)

austere patio Dec 2, 2021, 9:34 PM

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Was it explicitly marked non-experimental or did this just change with the docs redesign?

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It's not a bad coordinator, it just has quirks and is extremely picky about its RF environment. And will outright refuse to work when in the same spot as any other coordinator

twilit narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 9:36 PM

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spice kelp anyone have a favorite router to extend range? or are things like ikea outlets u...

It was listed as experimental before the redesign and it was at the bottom of the table of supported adapters, and now it's listed as recommended.

austere patio Dec 2, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Though from an open source perspective, I would still recommend the CC2652. The Conbee's firmware is completely closed source (tbf Z-Stack isn't completely open either) and isn't fully documented, nor can do it do everything Z-Stack can.

twilit narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 9:38 PM

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I agree that if you go ConBee you need an USB cable to take it away from the box, mine is sticked to the back of the TV and works very fine. But ConBee has a very nice range when placed correctly for a antenna-less stick

twilit narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 9:40 PM

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austere patio Though from an open source perspective, I would still recommend the CC2652. The ...

That actually is a good point, on the other hand it's very well advertised so when I first looked for a zigbee stick back then, that was the top results in Google, so I bought it and I believe a lot of people did too for the exact same reason. The fact that it is now well supported in deConz (obviously), ZHA and Z2M is also a good incentive

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but my point was not to launch a fude (more of a debate actually) about which is the best stick as I didn't test other ones, I just see everytime someone says he has a ConBee, someone answers "change stick before anything". I just wanted to point out that that's probably an old position and not based on any recent experience. Once again I might be wrong and atxbyea may have tested it recently, but that's not my experience at least

austere patio Dec 2, 2021, 9:44 PM

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I don't think the Conbee inherently has any flaws, it's just more sensitive. And a PITA to write code for.

jolly narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 9:44 PM

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Since we have multiple users every week come in and say xyz doesn't work and are running Conbee it doesn't really hold well in its favour

twilit narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 9:45 PM

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I see a lot of messages saying something doesn't work with a lot of devices configuration. That's discord world ! 😄

jolly narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 9:47 PM

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peepoLurk

twilit narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 9:48 PM

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but once again, maybe you're right, I just think it's a bit hard to say to someone that's looking for help to change hardware as a first step. And Z2M can work very nicely even with a ConBee (that's my small experience at least). the only devices I have issues with are listed with those flaws in Z2M

jolly narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 9:49 PM

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I am harsh by nature, just study me closer 7ACOSP_tinypensive

twilit narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 9:49 PM

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(I stand corrected, the flaws I talk about are listed in blakadder webpage)

twilit narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 9:50 PM

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jolly narwhal I am harsh by nature, just study me closer <:7ACOSP_tinypensive:7566034050777088...

😆

jolly narwhal Dec 2, 2021, 9:51 PM

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My poor customers never see me coming before I start swearing and yelling DogeWink

fathom cliff Dec 2, 2021, 11:08 PM

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I want to install some LED strips after disappointment with the Philips Hue strip. They will be for basic indoor lighting (under kitchen cabinets, in closets, mounted on ceiling in rooms without overhead lights) and don't need to be individually addressable. I think a RGBCCT 5050 strip will meet my needs. With a strip, power supply, and controller, I'm looking at this costing around $100. Does that seem right? I want to make a few, so it seems pretty expensive. (I plan on buying from Ali Express if cheaper there, after a test build.)

I picked these items:

Any changes recommended?

near echo Dec 3, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Seems expensive - what length of strip you are looking at? and ws2812B (which are individualy addressable) aren't expensive - a 5m strip should cost less than 50 I guess

fathom cliff Dec 3, 2021, 12:40 AM

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near echo Seems expensive - what length of strip you are looking at? and ws2812B (which ar...

Looking at 5m (standard). I think I found a better store via QuinLED's site. They seem to sell nice quality strips. https://www.aliexpress.com/store/3754011

near echo Dec 3, 2021, 12:43 AM

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Okay so you plan to control using zogbee or esphome?

fathom cliff Dec 3, 2021, 12:46 AM

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near echo Okay so you plan to control using zogbee or esphome?

I think zigbee for compatability with Philips Hue. Don't have a spare machine for Home Assistant at this place right now.

last mauve Dec 3, 2021, 12:48 AM

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Zigbee users...

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I'm aware that zigbee is a standard, but does that mean that zigbee device A works with zigbee device B?

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So, I have an IKEA TRADFRI hub right now. Can I just buy random zigbee shit and have it all just...work?

near echo Dec 3, 2021, 1:00 AM

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Technically yes, but each proprietary hub introduce their own restriction. That's why here we ask you to get rid of proprietary hub and choose one mentioned either in z2m or ZHA and control almost any zigbee devices

last mauve Dec 3, 2021, 1:54 AM

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Oh, interesting. I didn't know there was such a thing as proprietary hub.

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im not big on the idea of running a USB stick though

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 2:13 AM

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last mauve im not big on the idea of running a USB stick though

Why's that?

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Doesn't need to be USB necessarily. There are serial-over-ethernet coordinators

last mauve Dec 3, 2021, 2:26 AM

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lilac wharf Why's that?

Firstly form factor. I have HA running on a pi and where it is in my rack would make that a pain. Secondly, flexibility. My pi is in my basement. I like the fact that I can plug into an Ethernet jack and use that to communicate with the hub.

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I like the fact that the ZigBee radio doesn't necessarily have to be on the same place as the HA host

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Plus, HA is running in docker swarm which doesn't allow you to map devices into it

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inb4 "🤢 swarm"

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 3:25 AM

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Makes sense

fierce remnant Dec 3, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Does anyone know how and when zigpy's zha_device_handlers are updated in Homeassistant?

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 8:53 AM

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fierce remnant Does anyone know how and when zigpy's zha_device_handlers are updated in Homeass...

Usually when a new version of the package is released to PyPI and someone makes a PR to HA core

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Though you can usually install new releases before they're released with HA: https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/#testing-new-releases

fierce remnant Dec 3, 2021, 8:55 AM

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@austere patio thank you for answering my next question preemptively 😉

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 8:56 AM

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Make sure to delete /config/deps/ when you get rid of the addon

austere ice Dec 3, 2021, 9:39 AM

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Hi, I'm migrating from a Pi to a container, and I figured I should do the migration from deconz to zha at the same time. I get zsh to find by conbee stick, but I'm wondering if the stick is supposed to "remember" the zigbee network, or if I need to reconnect all the devices manually?

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Admittedly, I don't have a lot of devices connected to it, so I can probably survive doing it manually, but I was kind of expecting things to turn up.

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 9:41 AM

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ZHA will use the network settings on the stick if it has them, but it won't be aware of any device on the network until they re-join. If you have mains-powered routers, just turn them off and on at the switch.

austere ice Dec 3, 2021, 9:42 AM

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thanks I'll try that

fallow warren Dec 3, 2021, 10:03 AM

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Anyone can confirm if the Hue RGB bulbs are stronger/brighter than the Tradfri RGB bulbs? Particularly the E27

mellow geode Dec 3, 2021, 10:11 AM

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The first TRADFRI RGB bulbs were horrible -- I'm not sure if they've improved now.

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Colored Hue bulbs are much nicer in terms of color and (depending on which model you get) they are brighter overall.

cerulean abyss Dec 3, 2021, 10:14 AM

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Hue are just so $$$ though

fallow warren Dec 3, 2021, 10:15 AM

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Thanks then I'll get a Hue I guess. Not sure if I have the first but it is truely horrible. Changing to "yellow warm light" its very dim and disgusting colour, while the non RGB tradfri i have in my living room does an excellent job at warm light 🙂

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Yea I only buy it where I need it otherwise stick with tradfri

mellow geode Dec 3, 2021, 10:16 AM

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Yeah, the non-RGB TRADFRI lights are mostly great. For Hue, the "RGB" lights also feature cold-white/warm-white LEDs. (I'm not sure how TRADFRI does it, but it seems like their RGB bulbs only expose the RGB part if they even have cold-white/warm-white LEDs.)

austere ice Dec 3, 2021, 12:32 PM

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austere ice thanks I'll try that

My powered devices did show up after powercycling them. Tried taking out the battery in a remote and putting it back in again, but nothing appeared yet.

vital ermine Dec 3, 2021, 3:15 PM

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Hey. Since a couple of days my ZigBee network is slow to react. Sometimes instant but sometimes it's like up to 4ish seconds.

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Hardware is the same

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Where can I look? Reset all zigbee 230v routers?

obsidian sandalBOT Dec 3, 2021, 3:16 PM

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The topic of this channel is:

Zigbee :bee: - please remember to mention whether you're using zha (https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha), zigbee2mqtt (https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io), or deCONZ (https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/deconz). If you're using some hub, we probably can't help you though - try the #integrations-archived channel instead.

Looking for devices? See https://zigbee.blakadder.com/ and https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_devices.html.

Wanting advice about what stick? Look in the pinned messages. Just don't buy anything CC2530 or CC2531 based.

sour shadow Dec 3, 2021, 3:16 PM

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☝️ so... which of those?

mental hedge Dec 3, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Status update... Only had to delete & re-pair, now it works. I noticed the other one aqara switch I had was working OK, so weird but meh. Maybe you could also revert your custom config if you feel like it.

cloud oxide Dec 3, 2021, 5:30 PM

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trying to use ZHA on HA running on a docker container.... im unable to find path to the usb stick (HUSBZB-1). Is there a guide i can read ? is it a docker thing?

jolly narwhal Dec 3, 2021, 6:07 PM

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It would be somewhere in /dev

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Probably /dev/serial/by-id

mossy fern Dec 3, 2021, 6:17 PM

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I would like to better ubderstand what happens when I connect a zigbee device to my ZHA integration using my Conbee II dongle.
Specifically where is the connection stored. Is there some state inside the dongle itself or is it all in the config files in my config folder. So if I would buy a new conbee stick and put it in the same USB port is everything still working or do I need to re-pair all devices. Or maybe the other way around If I clean install HA with ZHA or switch to deconz with the same dongke are all devices still connected to the dongle?

tropic depot Dec 3, 2021, 6:22 PM

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both... devices are paired to the stick but we store a bunch of metadata as well and both parts are needed for things to function correctly

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so i don't know what the migration status is for conbee sticks... we have it working for sure w/ TI and SI (EZSP) sticks

mossy fern Dec 3, 2021, 6:24 PM

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Not sure I unserstand, so there is state in the dongle AND in the config? So if eighter one is replaced/cleared I would need to re-pair?

tropic depot Dec 3, 2021, 6:25 PM

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yes to first question and not necessarily for the 2nd. Some metadata in the integration can rebuild on its own when the device sends data in

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if you want to switch sticks you definitely have to copy the content of the nvram on the old stick to the new stick

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I just don't know if we have that for conbee sticks

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@gentle flint @austere patio do either of you know if conbee has backup / restore support?

mossy fern Dec 3, 2021, 6:28 PM

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You mean export the ram from the stick, yea if that is pissible it would be nice to make a backuo of that

tropic depot Dec 3, 2021, 6:28 PM

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so we have utils for 2 chipsets for sure. just not sure about conbee

mossy fern Dec 3, 2021, 6:29 PM

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By 'we' you mean inside the ZHA integration?

tropic depot Dec 3, 2021, 6:29 PM

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the radio libs that power ZHA

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only one thing can access the stick at once... so building this into ZHA may not be possible

mossy fern Dec 3, 2021, 6:30 PM

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I can see how that can be tricky

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Youbwould at least have to disable normal operation temporary

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I would sleep better at night knowing I can allways plug inba cold standby and have am up to date backup in case my dongke fails

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Like after I pair a new device ZHA asks me if I want to make a new backup

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 6:34 PM

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tropic depot <@!417014253774569473> <@!652580495892152331> do either of you know if conbee ha...

WIP: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-cli/pull/2

tropic depot Dec 3, 2021, 6:34 PM

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yeah we may be able to build something into either zha startup or shut down to back this up to HA config dir

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 6:34 PM

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Network frame counter is buggy with the Conbee firmware and I've not a received a response from DE about it but everything else works

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Migration with the zigpy command line tool works with ZNP and the Conbee but I've not had a chance to change bellows to use the extended JSON backup format.

mossy fern Dec 3, 2021, 6:38 PM

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Ah so I couls do it manually

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But as for understanding how it works. I assume from this the stick has all the addresses of the connected device in its internal memory and this needs to be there for it to work

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 6:40 PM

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The Conbee specifically does not keep track of any children. It only stores network settings, like the channel, network key, pan ID, etc.

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Normally coordinators don't need to keep track of devices that aren't a child

mossy fern Dec 3, 2021, 6:41 PM

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Ah so that's all in the config. If I would backup and restorrle the ZHA config I effectively change the connected devices

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 6:43 PM

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Sort of. Devices are given an address when they join and ZHA keeps track of it, so the radio just says "device 0x1234 sent data \xAB\xCD". ZHA figures out what device has that ID and what that data means.

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But changing the address within ZHA's internals won't affect the device, it'll just confuse ZHA

mossy fern Dec 3, 2021, 6:47 PM

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Ah so the device remembers its given adress intil I pair it again to maybe another network. If I would restore a totally different backup of the ZHA config it might not connect again if the device was re-paired with a new ID in the meantime

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 6:51 PM

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I'll have to check if the Conbee radio library tries to find a device when its short address changes (since devices have a permanent, long IEEE address that never does) but I don't think it will handle device NWK changes well

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So yeah, ZHA will likely not know what device is communicating with it if the ID changes (though it will fix that with TI and SiLabs radios)

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So to answer your original question, the device info is spread across the zigbee.db database that stores read basic device model/manufacturer name and enumerated capabilities, ZHA's storage, and the stick itself

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We'll hopefully have the info stored in the stick copied into the database in the near future but for now, the stick would need to be cloned to new hardware if you're switching it out

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 6:57 PM

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does ZHA have the ability to hot swap CC2xxx sticks like z2m does?

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 6:59 PM

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Network settings are randomly generated, written to the stick, and discarded

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So if you swap sticks, the old settings were never stored anywhere (since there are no defaults, unlike Z2M's hard coded everything)

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 7:02 PM

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well i mean, you can set up a network with z2m with custom settings (not defaults) and switch to a different CC2xxx coordinator, and it's like you never switched

mossy fern Dec 3, 2021, 7:02 PM

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austere patio So to answer your original question, the device info is spread across the `zigbe...

Tnx for the clear answer mostly I just wanted to know how it works 😉

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 7:02 PM

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lilac wharf well i mean, you can set up a network with z2m with custom settings (not default...

(with some exceptions)

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 7:04 PM

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Yeah, that's in the works. I meant that Z2M reads its network settings from its config file and has defaults for everything, so 80% of users share a network key, EPID, etc.

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 7:05 PM

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yeah, having a default panID seems like an odd choice. too late now though; i'm not re-pairing 70 devices just to have a different panID than the default 😂

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 7:06 PM

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It's not an issue unless a neighor also decides to use Z2M with the default settings. I tried walking around town but couldn't find a single Z2M network 😢

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 7:07 PM

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yup

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but if they're within range and try to provision a network with the same panID, z2m will likely error out on their end

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 7:07 PM

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I think with the new backup/restore rewrite it'll still do it

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Because that was a huge issue before and the "solution" was to increment the PAN ID

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When the "existing network" was really your own routers

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 7:11 PM

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i think that's been fixed

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in the zstack firmware and z2m version

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 7:11 PM

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Yeah, we reverse engineered Z-Stack's NVRAM to get that done

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 7:12 PM

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of course, the july zstack firmware has proven to be a PITA

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 7:12 PM

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How so?

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 7:12 PM

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lots of network issues that didn't exist before upgrading the firmware

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issues that appear to have gone away by using a different coordinator with the january firmware

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 7:13 PM

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Anything specific?

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 7:13 PM

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and did not go away by simply rolling back to a previous z2m version

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unable to pair devices out of range of the coordinator was a big one

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 7:13 PM

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Oh, that's interesting

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 7:13 PM

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even after following the suggestion of unpairing all routers and then re-pairing them all

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 7:14 PM

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I'll have to test it out. Maybe the permit broadcast is bugged.

vestal atlas Dec 3, 2021, 7:14 PM

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I used july since release till the new release without any issues, so not everyone has had issues with it. And I have 2 relatively big networks

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 7:15 PM

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what coordinator?

vestal atlas Dec 3, 2021, 7:15 PM

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cc2652rb & cc2652p

lilac wharf Dec 3, 2021, 7:15 PM

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interesting

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that firmware was a nightmare on my zzh

mellow geode Dec 3, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Btw., did anyone here ever have an issue where a ZHA group sometimes looses some of its members after a Home Assistant restart? (Only in DB/ZHA -- the device still responds to group requests just fine)
(Tracking this here: https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/57200 and I'm wondering if I'm really the only one experiencing this issue)

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Since the group members are saved in the zigbee.db database, I'm wondering if the issue is similar to the one where devices lost their attributes when re-added (that's now fixed).

molten linden Dec 3, 2021, 7:48 PM

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I think I may be seeing this or at least it happened once where the members in group suddenly were't there.

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Looking at the db schema, a delete is cascaded if the device endpoint is deleted from the DB

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Which can happen if _save_device is called and the device has no quirk

mellow geode Dec 3, 2021, 7:54 PM

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The devices that "are lost" are all IKEA lights (and sometimes Hue lights) and both of them do not have any quirks.

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Which can happen if initialization is scheduled on a device that is already initialized

mellow geode Dec 3, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Sometimes, I randomly get the following:

2021-11-26 20:43:53 INFO (MainThread) [zigpy_znp.zigbee.application] ZDO device announce: ZDO.EndDeviceAnnceInd.Callback(Src=0xD9BA, NWK=0xD9BA, IEEE=IEEE was here, Capabilities=<MACCapabilities.AllocateShortAddrDuringAssocNeeded|RXWhenIdle|MainsPowered|Router: 142>)
2021-11-26 20:43:53 INFO (MainThread) [zigpy.application] Device 0xd9ba (IEEE was here) joined the network
2021-11-26 20:44:01 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base] [0xD9BA:11:0x1000]: 'async_configure' stage failed: not enough values to unpack (expected 3, got 2)

"expected 3, got 2" often happens (never seemed to cause any issues though).
Edit: added the "ZDO device announce line"

molten linden Dec 3, 2021, 7:55 PM

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my group has 5 ledvance bulbs - no quirk

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Only time that happens is when a device is a new join (NWK changes), or the device isn't initialized (probably not the case)

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But yeah, this is likely caused by the same database limitation, where we can't use newer SQLite features (UPSERT) due to it being upgraded by the OS and not bundled with Python itself

jolly narwhal Dec 3, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Eeww sqlite

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Last I checked there were some Python SQLite drivers that built their own version, maybe we can use that if the provided SQLite version is too old

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And fix the unintended deletion triggers causing this problem

mellow geode Dec 3, 2021, 8:02 PM

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Well, I've saved the HA log and zigbee.db before upgrading/restarting now. I'll see if any of the devices that rejoined in the last couple of days are lost after the upgrade/restart (when the beta comes out).
(I don't want to restart now because it's a little annoying to do it often, as ZHA starting takes multiple minutes and if group members are lost, the group entity disappears if there's only one device remaining in the group and I'd rather only deal with that once today lol)

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In zigbee.db, group_members_v7 is the currently used place, right? (And not just group_members?)

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 8:05 PM

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Hmm. See if there are any INSERT OR REPLACE INTO endpoints or DELETE FROM devices queries.

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Yeah, the table versions are suffixed because people like downgrading

mellow geode Dec 3, 2021, 8:07 PM

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mellow geode Sometimes, I randomly get the following: ``` 2021-11-26 20:43:53 INFO (MainThrea...

Ah, well. It looks like the device that joined here (^) is already missing in the db

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Still shows up in the ZHA groups UI

austere patio Dec 3, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Could you send me that portion of your log (or the whole thing)? Maybe it joins multiple times or something.

digital whale Dec 3, 2021, 8:26 PM

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Anyone has experience with TRÅDFRI Shortcut buttons? Is it more reliable than Xiaomi ones?

jolly narwhal Dec 3, 2021, 8:29 PM

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I have a few, but I do prefer the Xiaomi ones

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Neither are unreliable though

digital whale Dec 3, 2021, 8:50 PM

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Why do you prefer the xiaomi ones?

mellow geode Dec 3, 2021, 9:08 PM

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mellow geode Well, I've saved the HA log and ``zigbee.db`` before upgrading/restarting now. I...

Like expected, two devices that were already missing in zigbee.db/group_members_v7 are now missing after restarting/upgrading Home Assistant.
I'll do another restart (to update HassOS) and see if I loose any more device group memberships.

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Didn't loose any devices when restarting a second time in a row. (Uptime was only a couple of minutes)

near echo Dec 3, 2021, 11:25 PM

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digital whale Anyone has experience with TRÅDFRI Shortcut buttons? Is it more reliable than Xi...

I would suggest to go for the on off switch from IKEA much more actions. Or the 5 button remote. Or rather see of you can get mijia switch button these are fantastic with so many

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 6:40 AM

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digital whale Why do you prefer the xiaomi ones?

Design and battery life

desert crypt Dec 4, 2021, 11:34 AM

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Hi all, I'm trying to pair the ikea 5 button remote to my hass 2021.11.5. The device pairs successfully with the zha integration. I'm not getting any events from the button tho. Devtools > events > Listen to events doesnt show any thing when I listen on *

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fwiw, Im using the egony cc2652p rf star stick https://github.com/egony/cc2652p_cc1352p_RF-STAR/wiki/Home-EN

inland coral Dec 4, 2021, 11:39 AM

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If you try to create an automation, and as a trigger select that device. Do actions from it show up? Like ‘first button pressed’? See if an automation works.

desert crypt Dec 4, 2021, 11:41 AM

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I see 'device offline' or 'Power battery level changes' as the only 2 trigger actions

inland coral Dec 4, 2021, 11:42 AM

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Ah, thats no good

desert crypt Dec 4, 2021, 11:43 AM

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Tried re-adding the remote a few times but it looks the same

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The battery level doesnt show either. During the pairing process I'm seeing these errors in the logs

2021-12-04 19:45:14 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base] [0x6ED7:1:0x0001]: failed to get attributes '['battery_voltage', 'battery_percentage_remaining']' on 'power' cluster: Expected SRSP response AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.SUCCESS: 0>), got AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.NWK_INVALID_REQUEST: 194>)
2021-12-04 19:45:14 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base] [0x6ED7:1:0x0001]: async_initialize: all attempts have failed: [InvalidCommandResponse('Expected SRSP response AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.SUCCESS: 0>), got AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.NWK_INVALID_REQUEST: 194>)'), InvalidCommandResponse('Expected SRSP response AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.SUCCESS: 0>), got AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.NWK_INVALID_REQUEST: 194>)'), InvalidCommandResponse('Expected SRSP response AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.SUCCESS: 0>), got AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.NWK_INVALID_REQUEST: 194>)'), InvalidCommandResponse('Expected SRSP response AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.SUCCESS: 0>), got AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.NWK_INVALID_REQUEST: 194>)')]

inland coral Dec 4, 2021, 11:59 AM

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Looks like its unsupported

desert crypt Dec 4, 2021, 12:00 PM

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Does the battery level show on your remote?

inland coral Dec 4, 2021, 12:00 PM

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You could try switching to Z2M and see if it works there

desert crypt Dec 4, 2021, 12:02 PM

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Was thinking of just using the ikea gateway as an integration with ha

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But sucks that I have to use 2 zigbee networks

lofty junco Dec 4, 2021, 2:19 PM

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hey yo, short question 🙂
I read the docs for emulated_hue (https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/emulated_hue/) and it states this:
A physical Hue Bridge is required for Philips Hue lights to function - this virtual bridge will not replace a physical bridge. Instead, it allows Home Assistant to represent non-Philips Hue devices to Amazon Echo as Philips Hue devices, which Amazon Echo can control with built-in support.
I thought this emulation can work with my zigbee coordinator and without a real hue bridge? I might be misunderstanding the docs here. Is A physical Hue Bridge is required for Philips Hue lights to function meaning that my zigbee coordinator will also work because it will act as the "hue bridge"? So i don't need the "physical original hue bridge" when i have my zigbee coordinator running?

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I mean... currently i have my hue bridge, but i obviously want to get rid of that. So my plan is to

reset a hue light
have this hue emulation run on my HA (non-supervised, docker)
have the hue light connect to my "virtual hue bridge" over my physical zigbee coordinator
have the hue light now function as usual with my amazon echo devices

Does that work as I intend?

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 2:48 PM

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hi

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does anyone know if the
vap26 - Mini PCB inalámbrico CC2531 Zigbee USB Dongle Pack Sniffer Protocol Anyzer Comunicación Distancia 200 m
is ready to use or it has to be flashed to use with HA?

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with zigbee2mqtt

violet dagger Dec 4, 2021, 3:17 PM

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While a copy pasted seller description isn't enough details traditionally those sticks don't come with the firmware

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 3:21 PM

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it says it has a ti c25231 chip, and the zigbee to2mqtt page says this chip is not recommended

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do you know why?

violet dagger Dec 4, 2021, 3:24 PM

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Seems you e skipped the reason clearly outlined on that page

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 3:24 PM

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ok 🙂

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do you have any recommended I can buy in Europe? I'm having a little bit of trouble finding an affordable one
if they come from china <€10 if they come from Europe, €30+

mighty river Dec 4, 2021, 3:43 PM

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hearty basalt do you have any recommended I can buy in Europe? I'm having a little bit of trou...

Hi, I am using 'Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus'. Works well. Before this one I happily used a USB stick with CC2531 chip. The sonoff one seems to have better signal and better handling of bigger zigbee networks.

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I am in Europe as well.

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 3:44 PM

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did you buy it at amazon?

mighty river Dec 4, 2021, 4:09 PM

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nope, from a local dealer. he does not have it on stock at the moment.

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 4:24 PM

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oh, can't find it for less than €40

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 4:53 PM

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Question is, do you want to buy a good product for more money and less problems, or a bad product for less money and more problems

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€40 is nothing in smart house money

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Four bulbs

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 5:00 PM

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I can get it from us for less than €20, that's why I'm finding it expensive
But I know there will be trouble at customs, so I don't want to get it there

vestal atlas Dec 4, 2021, 5:09 PM

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If you want one for cheap just order directly from sonoff. If you are planning to use ZHA you can could get a lidl gateway and hack it. They are about 20€-ish.

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 5:10 PM

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that's the us 🙂

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from sonoff

vestal atlas Dec 4, 2021, 5:20 PM

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https://itead.cc/product/sonoff-zigbee-3-0-usb-dongle-plus/

molten linden Dec 4, 2021, 5:23 PM

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Order direct from sonoff it comes from China

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 5:35 PM

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I think I'll have problems at customs... it's intended to be like that to discourage buying from outside the EU

grizzled fossil Dec 4, 2021, 5:35 PM

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vestal atlas https://itead.cc/product/sonoff-zigbee-3-0-usb-dongle-plus/

I'm using this one, no problems so far, awesome device

vestal atlas Dec 4, 2021, 5:37 PM

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hearty basalt I think I'll have problems at customs... it's intended to be like that to discou...

what country do you live in if having to pay import tax will be a problem? 🙈

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 5:37 PM

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Portugal

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the problem is the time it takes and the decision of what the tax will be is rather dubious, can end up paying more from the tax then the price you paid for the itemn

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a few month ago, up to €22.5, there were no problems

raven jewel Dec 4, 2021, 5:47 PM

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In the UK I've had no problem with my orders from itead

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 5:47 PM

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uk left the eu

vestal atlas Dec 4, 2021, 5:48 PM

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does not sound like fun. You could have a look at ebay, there are some cc2652p coordinators from germany there

grizzled fossil Dec 4, 2021, 5:48 PM

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no problem ordering from itead to germany, perhaps I just had luck

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 5:52 PM

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the taxes are eu, the mess is ours

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there used to be a customs office where you could get the items or solve problems...
never went there, but I'm told it was hours of fun waiting

grizzled fossil Dec 4, 2021, 5:54 PM

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I order a lot of sh*t from the internet and I haven't had to go to customs for several years. I thought all the import guidelines were loosened

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 5:55 PM

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the office closed and they send you a postcard saying:
you can call us at the phone number (black) or email (blank) 🤷‍♂️

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at least you used to have someone to talk to solve thing, now you have a site where you can pay

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have been discouraged to order from abroad lately, so I haven0t tried... guess I'll give it a try one of theses days

grizzled fossil Dec 4, 2021, 5:57 PM

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this sounds like 10 years ago 😄

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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naa

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my wife has to handle some packages for her boss, that how I know this

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it has worked on me so far 😆

grizzled fossil Dec 4, 2021, 6:06 PM

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get the device man!

hearty basalt Dec 4, 2021, 6:08 PM

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🙂

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 7:34 PM

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anybody have a good experience with the IKEA stuff, ZZH, and Zigbee2mqtt ?

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 7:35 PM

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Yes

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 7:35 PM

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what's the secret?

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 7:35 PM

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I almost run tradfri exclusively

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 7:35 PM

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and which devices?

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I can't get the remotes to work at all

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 7:35 PM

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I've got a trio of their bulbs, they're fine

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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80ish bulbs and a few remotes

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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and the shortcut/dimmer buttons worked with ZHA but not Zigbee2mqtt

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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I have one on off, and two five button remotes

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No problems ever

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And i have three outlets too come think of it

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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if I go to the "states" tab and press buttons, it doesn't report anything

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 7:37 PM

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That is normal for all my ZigBee buttons

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The actions are not persistent in states

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 7:37 PM

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guess I can't upload on this channel

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I mean the state tab in zigbee2mqtt

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not in HA

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 7:38 PM

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I've never looked at that

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So no idea

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 7:38 PM

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on the Exposes tab in Z2M it says "Action" "N/A"

obsidian sandalBOT Dec 4, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 7:39 PM

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but if I click the link to go to their docs it says that it should output a whole bunch of actions

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Yes

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All of mine do too

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They work fine

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 7:39 PM

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mine do not

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 7:40 PM

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One of my automations using said button

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That I use at least twice a day

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https://github.com/atxbyea/HA-Config/blob/03bcfa45e067b54d8345e6219e771f1954acc198/automations.yaml#L3

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At least until the kids are five I guess this will be used

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 7:58 PM

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in the Z2M logs if it's on debug should I see action when something happens on the zigbee network?

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 7:59 PM

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You see it in the broker

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:08 PM

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okay, finally got a client connected

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no output on the broker when I press a button

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if I update the device on Z2M it updates on HA

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so MQTT's definitely working

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 8:09 PM

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No issues here, been using them for 2 years

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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what firmware are you running on your ZZH?

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 8:20 PM

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20210120

vestal atlas Dec 4, 2021, 8:25 PM

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sleek wadi and the shortcut/dimmer buttons worked with ZHA but not Zigbee2mqtt

Are they updated to the latest version? Did you use test firmware on them?
You could try to force remove, then enable joing and start pairing. While it's interviewing, go to. the binding page and bind onOff/LevelCtrl to the coordinator

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:26 PM

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as best I can tell they are

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in OTA it doesn't show anything available

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Failed to configure '0xb4e3f9fffe0dcc59', attempt 3 (Error: Bind 0xb4e3f9fffe0dcc59/1 genPowerCfg from '901' failed (AREQ - ZDO - bindRsp after 10000ms) at Timeout._onTimeout (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/utils/waitress.ts:64:35) at listOnTimeout (internal/timers.js:557:17) at processTimers (internal/timers.js:500:7))

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then if I try to forcibly add the binding to the coordinator

 Failed to bind cluster 'genOnOff' from '0xb4e3f9fffe0dcc59' to 'Coordinator' (Error: Bind 0xb4e3f9fffe0dcc59/1 genOnOff from '0x00124b00238db244/1' failed (AREQ - ZDO - bindRsp after 10000ms))
Error Failed to bind

vestal atlas Dec 4, 2021, 8:38 PM

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did you do it while it was being interviewed? Normally you would press a button on the remote just after pessing bind in the UI, but I had some odd issues after using test fw so it didnt work

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:39 PM

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yeah

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so far this hasn't been a great experience

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I originally set all of the stuff up using ZHA

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it killed the batteries on everything in under a day

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so I removed everything, installed new batteries, re-paired everything

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 8:41 PM

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That sounds like a mesh health issue

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:41 PM

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shit's still broke

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there's 5 devices

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they're within 3 feet of the antenna

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Not much of a mesh yet then

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I'd check for interference etc - short battery life suggests the devices are having to burn a lot of power transmitting

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 8:43 PM

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No routers at all?

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:43 PM

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I have one plug

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everything else is battery powered

vestal atlas Dec 4, 2021, 8:44 PM

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oh I guess you are using a silicon labs coordinator? There is a battery drain issue with that and ikea remotes. And it's experimental in z2m so that would explain the oddness

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at least with some fw

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 8:44 PM

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So horrible then @sleek wadi

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:44 PM

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I'm using a zzh

vestal atlas Dec 4, 2021, 8:44 PM

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ok, so nwm then 😅

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:44 PM

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TI as far as I'm aware

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I've tried with the stick plugged directly in

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and with it on a USB extension

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neither seems to make any difference

uneven ruin Dec 4, 2021, 8:46 PM

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you said the devices aren't showing all the expected entities right?

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I wonder if the interview never finished

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action: n/a is normal though its the current state (at least for my buttons which are not ikea)

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:47 PM

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they weren't showing the right thing in the Exports tab in Z2M

uneven ruin Dec 4, 2021, 8:48 PM

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I'm walking into this kinda behind, when pairing are you clicking the button a bunch? that helps keep the device from going to sleep

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:48 PM

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which button?

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the pair button?

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I've tried everything

uneven ruin Dec 4, 2021, 8:49 PM

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no like one of the control buttons

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like you're using it

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:49 PM

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yeah, I've tried doing all that

uneven ruin Dec 4, 2021, 8:49 PM

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ok

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I don't have an ikea button so I can't test that specific one

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:50 PM

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I'm running all of this on a blue

uneven ruin Dec 4, 2021, 8:50 PM

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mines on similar hardware odroid

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:50 PM

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and like every 8th time I try to launch the web UI, it crashes

uneven ruin Dec 4, 2021, 8:50 PM

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using a slaesh varient of the same chip

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web ui? z2m or the main ha?

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:51 PM

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z2m

uneven ruin Dec 4, 2021, 8:51 PM

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crash like z2m goes down, or just the web interface looks like garbage

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and if you click on it again its fine

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:51 PM

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web interface is a black page

uneven ruin Dec 4, 2021, 8:51 PM

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thats weird

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:54 PM

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or white page

uneven ruin Dec 4, 2021, 8:55 PM

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thats really odd, I'd personally try unistalling and starting over

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unless you have already

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are you using the z2m docker right on the ha machine?

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:56 PM

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I'm using the add on

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running supervised

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just uninstalled and reinstalled

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same thing

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click "open web ui"

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blank page

uneven ruin Dec 4, 2021, 8:57 PM

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I've only ever seen that during startup

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:57 PM

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black text on black background, awesome

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502: Bad Gateway

uneven ruin Dec 4, 2021, 8:58 PM

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its starting up still or theres a stability issue and its crashing for some reason

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it takes a bit to startup

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 8:58 PM

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seeing this in the logs a lot 21-12-04 15:56:59 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.api.ingress] Ingress error: Cannot connect to host 172.30.33.3:8099 ssl:default [Connect call failed ('172.30.33.3', 8099)]

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@jolly narwhal do you have to spam a button the remotes to get them to pair?

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 9:21 PM

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No

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I have a sane mesh

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atx

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Also no supervisor 🤢

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 9:23 PM

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@uneven ruin more stuff works now after uninstall/reinstall

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thanks for suggesting that

uneven ruin Dec 4, 2021, 9:25 PM

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no problem

sleek wadi Dec 4, 2021, 9:25 PM

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now over to #zwave-archived to complain

lofty junco Dec 4, 2021, 9:43 PM

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Sorry for bumping, but would really appreciate some clarification about the situation on my hue-question^^°
#zigbee-archived message

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 9:45 PM

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Yes, emulated hue is about making HA appear in software to be a Hue hub

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You can use any of the zigbee integrations to use a Hue device with HA

lofty junco Dec 4, 2021, 9:49 PM

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sour shadow You can use any of the zigbee integrations to use a Hue device with HA

so i got it right, that i don'T need a "original hue hub", i just need HA and the zigbee connector, right?
Is there any downside or better way if i want to connect and use all my hue lights but i also don't want to use the original hue bridge?

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 9:49 PM

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Correct

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Better way... nope

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Pick ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT, a good coordinator, and away you go

lofty junco Dec 4, 2021, 9:54 PM

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sour shadow Pick ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT, a _good_ coordinator, and away you go

allright, that sounds awesome 🙂
(hopefully) last question about that: In the original hue bridge, i can use the hue app to create rooms/groups etc. Is there also some fake-hue UI in HA to mange that? Or will the emulation use the HA's internal rooms/groups?

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 9:54 PM

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I haven't used the Hue app, no idea I'm afraid

lofty junco Dec 4, 2021, 9:57 PM

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sour shadow I haven't used the Hue app, no idea I'm afraid

but... even without knowing the hue app: You can place the hue lights with ZHA and the hue-emulation into HA-groups etc and then use them with the HA alexa-integration, right? Wasn't really about that i would like the hue-bridge UI, it was more about where i mange the hue device-groups 🙂

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Why would I use Emulated Hue?

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If you don't have a Hue Hub there are no Hue device groups

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Trying to turn Home Assistant into a Hue Hub seems like a huge step backwards...

lofty junco Dec 4, 2021, 9:58 PM

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wait....... wait.... i might be confusing something here

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so... i have like 20 hue lights with a hue bridge. I re-connected one of those lights already away from the hue-bridge and to the HA zigbee coordinator. So i can mange that light in ma HA.
I think my point is more, how can i control those lights in HA with my alexa echo devices, like I'm currently used to. so like "alexa, light 50%" etc... Maybe I confused things and don't even need the hue emulation at all

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 10:00 PM

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You don't

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You'd configure the Alexa #voice-assistants-archived

lofty junco Dec 4, 2021, 10:01 PM

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I saw some videos showing a very complicated way for setting up alexa, like creating your own AWS account, lambda-function etc... do i need to do that? or what is the purpose of those more complicated AWS-things?

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 10:01 PM

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See the channel called #voice-assistants-archived - but you probably want to try simply reading the integration docs for Alexa

lofty junco Dec 4, 2021, 10:02 PM

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hmm, alright, will ask there. I think i got confused about the hue emulation and since that isn'T specific to alexa, i figured i ask here.

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ahh wait

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that'S where i got that idea

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man... why are we not allowed to insert screenshots/images here q_q

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https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/alexa/

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 10:04 PM

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There's a channel for help/questions about #voice-assistants-archived

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This ain't it

lofty junco Dec 4, 2021, 10:04 PM

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ok ok, just remembered where i got the idea for the hue emulation 🙂

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 10:04 PM

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As for images

obsidian sandalBOT Dec 4, 2021, 10:05 PM

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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

digital whale Dec 4, 2021, 10:15 PM

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near echo I would suggest to go for the on off switch from IKEA much more actions. Or the ...

I do own 2 mijia switch buttons, however I lost the square one during moving. For the IKEA square I am hoping to use as a doorbell.

jolly narwhal Dec 4, 2021, 10:18 PM

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I've used a Xiaomi single button as a door bell for two years soon

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Still haven't replaced the battery of it

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Even if it is outside in freezing cold

digital whale Dec 4, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Yeh, thats the one I lost 😦

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IKEA one is faster to get, and about the same price.

umbral grove Dec 4, 2021, 10:54 PM

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When using HA + mosquitto + zigbee2mqtt. Would using a certificate for MQTT be more secure? https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/mqtt/certificate/

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 10:55 PM

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Yes

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Any time you can add (proper) encryption it's "more secure"

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Of course, then the question becomes what are you securing against

umbral grove Dec 4, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Thanks. I don't have a clear mental image of network. I was reading this and it stated that you need to create a new user for MQTT https://owntracks.org/booklet/guide/broker/ but it's alsready working without that user.. ?

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Well, that's talking about OwnTracks

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You're not asking about OwnTracks

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If you're using #add-ons-archived then lots of things are handled for you

umbral grove Dec 4, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Sorry pasted wrong url

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https://github.com/home-assistant/addons/blob/master/mosquitto/DOCS.md

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Well, #add-ons-archived are a whole other world

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That add-on uses HA's users for auth

umbral grove Dec 4, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Check. Yeah I'm using both the MQTT and Z2M Addon

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So in that case I wouldn't need a certificate? Is this explained somewhere?

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 11:00 PM

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You're confusing authentication and encryption

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I repeat my question though... what are you securing against

umbral grove Dec 4, 2021, 11:03 PM

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Other people that are not on my local network sending/reading messages to/from my zigbee devices. 2) Unauthorized people on my local network to send/read messages to/fom my zigbee devices

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Eh, what?
You have bigger issues

umbral grove Dec 4, 2021, 11:04 PM

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haha 😄

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So if I get this correctly: Zigbee device -- 1 --> Zigbee Hub -- 2 -- > Zigbee2MQTT -- 3 --> MQTT Broker -- 4-- > HA.

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Yeah, though hub should read coordinator

umbral grove Dec 4, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Thanks

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And the certificate is to ecrypt 3 right?

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 11:08 PM

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And 4

umbral grove Dec 4, 2021, 11:09 PM

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And when I run the add-on, would I still need to generate the cert? Or does the add-on take care of that?

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Yes you would

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It would document having built in certificate generation capabilities if it had them

umbral grove Dec 4, 2021, 11:24 PM

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Ok. Check. I'll try to generate one.

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And for the zigbee encryption part I just follow https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/advanced/zigbee/03_secure_network.html#change-zigbee-network-encryption-key

sour shadow Dec 4, 2021, 11:25 PM

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Remember, all the devices need to trust the cert. Self signed certs are likely to cause "fun"

umbral grove Dec 4, 2021, 11:26 PM

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But 'devices' would just be Zigbee2MQTT and HA right? Or would all zigbee devices also need to trust the cert? That sounds indeed like fun..

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haha sorry just trying to wrap my head around this 🙈

umbral grove Dec 4, 2021, 11:52 PM

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Also for authentication, why does the addon say in the docs: "Create a new user for MQTT via your Home Assistant's frontend Configuration -> Users (manage users) " while it also register a user "homeassistant" itself which seems to be used out of the box and works fine?

umbral grove Dec 5, 2021, 12:08 AM

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umbral grove But 'devices' would just be Zigbee2MQTT and HA right? Or would all zigbee device...

Ah wait I think I get it. Currently I'm only using MQTT for Zigbee devices, which would work fine because only Z2M would need the self signed cert. But If I would use MQTT with other devices in the network, they might struggle more to trust the cert. Check?

steel bone Dec 5, 2021, 2:02 AM

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Is anyone of you guys using eurotronic zigbee thermostats with external temperature sensors?

sleek kiln Dec 5, 2021, 10:24 AM

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Hi all, I am using zigbee2mqtt in HA, which works very well. Managed to connect several hue devices already. Just bought 2 Hue Iris lamps. They are automatically visible in HA. Only functionality is turning it on and off. It is a supported device in z2mqtt and would like to use slider and color changes etc. Anyone know how I can achieve this? Many thanks in advance.

jolly narwhal Dec 5, 2021, 10:36 AM

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Can you change said features in the zigbee2mqtt webui?

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And are you running the latest version of zigbee2mqtt, with what coordinator?

ashen coral Dec 5, 2021, 10:39 AM

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Does "only functionality is turning it on and off" mean you only see this?

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If so, try clicking the name of the light.

vestal atlas Dec 5, 2021, 10:47 AM

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I use https://github.com/thomasloven/lovelace-slider-entity-row for sliders on the dashboard, if that's what you are after. Looks like @ashen coral has made it, thanks! 😅

solid inlet Dec 5, 2021, 11:01 AM

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I use a zzh cc2652R coordinator stick. I have forgot what firmware I flashed initially, can I check this somehow? Also, will a re-flash/upgrade mean I have to repair everything?? I have tried to find this on z2m website, but did not find it. Anyone?

ashen coral Dec 5, 2021, 11:02 AM

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/faq/#doesn-t-require-repairing Should be fine

jolly narwhal Dec 5, 2021, 11:03 AM

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You can also see what firmware you are running in the webui

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Or the logs

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It prints it on every startup

solid inlet Dec 5, 2021, 11:03 AM

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Perfect! Thanks guys! 🙂

sleek kiln Dec 5, 2021, 11:10 AM

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ashen coral Does "only functionality is turning it on and off" mean you only see this?

Yes

sleek kiln Dec 5, 2021, 11:12 AM

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ashen coral If so, try clicking the name of the light.

Shoot, I must have had a brain freeze. Works!

tribal dock Dec 5, 2021, 11:25 AM

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Hi, do you have any experience with this presence sensor? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003192562176.html

I am looking to deploy someting like this in rooms to know occupancy.

jolly narwhal Dec 5, 2021, 11:26 AM

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Tuya... Isn't usually great

tribal dock Dec 5, 2021, 11:36 AM

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jolly narwhal Tuya... Isn't usually great

Yes, I can confirm by one temp+humidity sensor I have from them. Do you have any suitable alternatives?

jolly narwhal Dec 5, 2021, 11:55 AM

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Xiaomi is great

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 1:45 PM

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hi! I use ZHA and wanted to test out zigbee2mqtt. I installed it and started, then stopped. After this my ZHA lost connection to all devices. I had to re-add all of them manually. It kinda works now, however I still get this message in error log:
`Your network is using the insecure Zigbee2MQTT network key!
Even though I have uninstalled zigbee2mqtt addon and deleted it's folder
I am also now experiencing problems with zigbee devices as they are often becoming "unavailable" and then return back on random, several times an hour. Not sure if this is related.

inland coral Dec 5, 2021, 2:40 PM

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I’d just backup and reinstall, and save yourself hours of debugging

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 2:46 PM

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that would be harsh

graceful canopy Dec 5, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Can I update a coindinator firmware for a zigbee2mqtt network and expect not to hae to repair everything?

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Anything special need to be done?

lilac wharf Dec 5, 2021, 2:50 PM

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Yep, that's how it works. Nothing special needs to be done

jolly narwhal Dec 5, 2021, 2:50 PM

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Just update

graceful canopy Dec 5, 2021, 2:50 PM

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easy

ember bluff Dec 5, 2021, 3:05 PM

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Why ZHA has less compatible devices than Z2M ? How can we help increase the list ?

graceful canopy Dec 5, 2021, 3:17 PM

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sweet updated firmware on my ZZH adapter, no issues. It did take longer to start

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 3:18 PM

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I have this unk_model coordinator that I can't get rid of.

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https://i.imgur.com/7Ld6wW3.jpg

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not sure if this visualisation means it is still participating in teh network

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however I am getting a lot of packets dropped

jolly narwhal Dec 5, 2021, 3:19 PM

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Did you change coordinator at some point?

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 3:20 PM

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yes

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initially I had the $5 CC2531

jolly narwhal Dec 5, 2021, 3:21 PM

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Is this zha?

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 3:21 PM

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yea

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also my true coordinator is being displayed as offline??

jolly narwhal Dec 5, 2021, 3:22 PM

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Then I have no idea

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 3:22 PM

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zha is a mess.

jolly narwhal Dec 5, 2021, 3:23 PM

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I've never used it

mellow geode Dec 5, 2021, 4:22 PM

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ember bluff Why ZHA has less compatible devices than Z2M ? How can we help increase the list...

They work differently. For Z2M, every device needs to be explicitly supported. ZHA just assumes all devices follow the Zigbee standard and if one device doesn’t follow it correctly, somebody can fix it with a "quirk".
Since there’s no concrete list of which devices are supported by ZHA, it seems like the list can be smaller than Z2M‘s list.

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 5:34 PM

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so i've reinstalled and restored the backup on second raspberry

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same problem.

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if I delete zigbee.db as recommended on various places, I will lose all devices?

austere patio Dec 5, 2021, 6:15 PM

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odd mango same problem.

What problem are you having?

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 6:16 PM

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my main issue that my zigbee devices re juming in and out of "became unavailable" randomly

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are jumping*

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and I am trying to find the cause

austere patio Dec 5, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Enable https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging and let it run for a few hours

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 6:17 PM

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I found a "unk_model" device, presented as coordinator

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and in map view it is being displayed as main

austere patio Dec 5, 2021, 6:17 PM

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It's just a visualization bug, it has no impact on your network

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 6:17 PM

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was trying to get rid of it, but no success

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I also get a long list of child devices under this UNK coordinator

austere patio Dec 5, 2021, 6:18 PM

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The visualization is just cached info, it has no impact on your network functionality

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 6:19 PM

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ok.

hazy cradle Dec 5, 2021, 6:30 PM

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Hello, I've a sonoff zigbee gateway, I had issues (in case of reboot I have to reload mqtt entities or reboot the device)
What is the best zigbee gateway today?

jolly narwhal Dec 5, 2021, 6:32 PM

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See pinned messages

hazy cradle Dec 5, 2021, 6:39 PM

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jolly narwhal See pinned messages

but there are tons, there isn't one above others?

jolly narwhal Dec 5, 2021, 6:52 PM

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TI2652 is what I would say

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Either tubes or zzh

hazy cradle Dec 5, 2021, 6:54 PM

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I saw SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus, its in recommended, however I saw a really negative review video of NotEnoughTECH, did someone tried it?

lilac wharf Dec 5, 2021, 6:54 PM

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works fine for me

jolly narwhal Dec 5, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Sonoff quality can be varying I've heard

austere patio Dec 5, 2021, 6:56 PM

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I've seen extensive reports from more than a few people that they can't join new devices, though others say it works fine

hazy cradle Dec 5, 2021, 6:57 PM

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austere patio I've seen extensive reports from more than a few people that they can't join new...

yes, in the review wasn't able to connect almost no devices

austere patio Dec 5, 2021, 6:57 PM

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So if you buy four, at least one will probably work

hazy cradle Dec 5, 2021, 6:58 PM

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austere patio So if you buy four, at least one will probably work

unless are firmware issues... I think I will buy something more prone to work

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Thanks all guys!

austere patio Dec 5, 2021, 6:59 PM

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The firmware isn't customized by Sonoff, it's just Z-Stack with Z2M's patches

hazy cradle Dec 5, 2021, 7:00 PM

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austere patio The firmware isn't customized by Sonoff, it's just Z-Stack with Z2M's patches

oh, so maybe amazon could be tempting

grizzled fossil Dec 5, 2021, 7:00 PM

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hazy cradle I saw SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus, its in recommended, however I saw a rea...

never had any problem with it

hazy cradle Dec 5, 2021, 7:01 PM

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grizzled fossil never had any problem with it

thanks

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 7:14 PM

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is it possible to switch from ZHA to z2m without losing all of entity/device names?

grizzled fossil Dec 5, 2021, 7:19 PM

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I'm pretty sure you have to remove all entities and re-add them with z2m afaik

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 7:48 PM

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😦

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anyway I have this warning in the log:

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[0xFEC8:1:0x0006]: async_initialize: all attempts have failed: [InvalidCommandResponse('Expected SRSP response AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.SUCCESS: 0>), got AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.NWK_INVALID_REQUEST: 194>)'), InvalidCommandResponse('Expected SRSP response AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.SUCCESS: 0>), got AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.NWK_INVALID_REQUEST: 194>)'), InvalidCommandResponse('Expected SRSP response AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.SUCCESS: 0>), got AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.NWK_INVALID_REQUEST: 194>)'), InvalidCommandResponse('Expected SRSP response AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.SUCCESS: 0>), got AF.DataRequestExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.NWK_INVALID_REQUEST: 194>)')]

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any ideas?

austere patio Dec 5, 2021, 7:50 PM

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odd mango any ideas?

Upload the full log somewhere, the final error code isn't very useful

tropic depot Dec 5, 2021, 8:18 PM

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mellow geode Sometimes, I randomly get the following: ``` 2021-11-26 20:43:53 INFO (MainThrea...

hey, when you are around... what device is this. the cluster here is the lightlink cluster...

mellow geode Dec 5, 2021, 8:57 PM

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tropic depot hey, when you are around... what device is this. the cluster here is the lightli...

In that case it was a "LCA001" Hue light. I think it happens with all newer (Bluetooth-enabled) Hue lights. (In this case it’s a E27 Hue RGB bulb)

tropic depot Dec 5, 2021, 8:58 PM

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wanna modify some code and test something?

mellow geode Dec 5, 2021, 8:59 PM

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To get some more debug outputs?

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I can only do it in a couple of hours though

tropic depot Dec 5, 2021, 8:59 PM

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whenever you can

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PM me when you are free and we can investigate

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I am betting they aren't spec compliant w/ ZCL

mellow geode Dec 5, 2021, 9:00 PM

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Haha, that’s likely

mellow geode Dec 5, 2021, 9:00 PM

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tropic depot PM me when you are free and we can investigate

Will do!

odd mango Dec 5, 2021, 9:18 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/6BTMY3e.jpg

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how can a cordinator be a child of a relay?

echo sentinel Dec 5, 2021, 9:20 PM

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Just wondering if anyone had pointers for a proper way to get a quirk started...
I've had this issue https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues/1091 open for a little over a month now and starting to consider getting a quirk written myself. I tried before but it didn't even load :/

at the very basic level I just need the two climate entites to respect the running state from the device 😂

spark summit Dec 5, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Hi. Can anyone explain to me how I could bind a phillips remote (RWL021) to a light bulb or switch directly?

I would love to be able to turn on and off a light bulb and a switch directly without HA as I always have problems with ZHA not beeing loaded yet when the automations are loaded on startup leading to the automations not working until I turn them on and off again. This is also a problem I would like to solve, but for now I would like do understand how I can bind devices directly to each other as there is nothing happening when I click bind in the UI. 🥴

brazen robin Dec 6, 2021, 12:28 AM

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I have two pairs of SA-003-Zigbee by eWeLink plugs (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08G46WWBB/ and https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08K45W4LR/ which are essentially the same; just different manufacturers). They are basically the same as the eWeLink Plug 10A UK (Zigbee Plug-UK) except mine are US https://zigbee.blakadder.com/eWeLink_Zigbee-Plug-UK.html. They work great. Using ZHA with Nortek HUSBZB-1 controller. My only problem is they report as a light and not a switch. I did find a post where someone mentioned the same but nothing came from the discussion (https://community.home-assistant.io/t/ewelink-sa-003-zigbee-switch-appair-as-light/139634). Is there anything I can do to get these devices defined as switches and not lights?

molten linden Dec 6, 2021, 12:46 AM

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here's a an example you stick this under zha: in configuration.yaml:

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zha:
  device_config:                                                                                       
    ec:1b:bd:ff:fe:80:39:b7-1:                                                                         
      type: 'cover'
    00:12:4b:00:1f:94:56:e8:
      type: 'switch'

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you the IEEE address of the device and then the type you want it to be

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(reminds me I have a powerstrip that is by eWeLink and have been meaning to do this for it, as it reports as 3 lights).

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and the -1 is the end point if I remember correctly.

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and link to the docs: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#modifying-the-device-type

brazen robin Dec 6, 2021, 12:51 AM

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so if I add that to the configuration.yaml, it should correct things after a reboot?

molten linden Dec 6, 2021, 12:54 AM

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yes

fast talon Dec 6, 2021, 1:03 AM

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Anyone know of zigbee light switches that are reasonable. I rather have them than wifi/tula as they are unreilable in my experience. However, when I look they are at least double the price of wifi switches

lilac wharf Dec 6, 2021, 1:24 AM

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brazen robin so if I add that to the configuration.yaml, it should correct things after a reb...

just to clarify: no need to reboot; just need to restart HA

brazen robin Dec 6, 2021, 1:27 AM

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lilac wharf just to clarify: no need to reboot; just need to restart HA

Are you referring to Core, Supervisor, or Host? (I already did a restart under server management but now I'm curious.)

lilac wharf Dec 6, 2021, 1:30 AM

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HA == Core

brazen robin Dec 6, 2021, 1:30 AM

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Will give that a try next time. Thank you.

lilac wharf Dec 6, 2021, 1:32 AM

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restarting under server management restarts HA, so you're good

brazen robin Dec 6, 2021, 1:33 AM

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molten linden here's a an example you stick this under zha: in configuration.yaml:

worked like a charm. did have to go through and delete the old light. entities but the devices are now identified as switches. This is good because now my light automations won't see those devices as being on.

molten linden Dec 6, 2021, 1:34 AM

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Yeah.. I updated mine as well and went back and deleted the light entities as well

brazen robin Dec 6, 2021, 1:34 AM

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I'm going to add to the forum post that I found even though it is from 2019 (but was not resolved in the thread).

soft plover Dec 6, 2021, 7:56 AM

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Good morning, can you tell me what is the difference between.
CC2652P vs C2652R. P has ampliefier (vs none) and only 26 GPIO (vs 31) pins. What does this mean for my use under Proxomox for HomeAssistant?

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 7:58 AM

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Unless you're planning on compiling your own firmware for the CC2652 that uses GPIO pins, practically there isn't a difference

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 7:59 AM

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https://electrolama.com/radio-docs/advanced/ti-part-numbers/ gives a good summary

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The TL/DR though is as puddly said

dusky quail Dec 6, 2021, 8:32 AM

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yo, i'm going to add some motion sensors and since it's new year soon - delivery from china will be too long.
So i'd like to get something locally - will i be able to use xiaomi hub as zigbee hub for HA?

obsidian sandalBOT Dec 6, 2021, 8:34 AM

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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 8:34 AM

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Why not do it right?

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(right being ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT)

dusky quail Dec 6, 2021, 8:35 AM

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there is no sticks locally i should order it from china but i'd like to use them now 🙂

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 8:35 AM

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Where is locally?

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 8:35 AM

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Then be prepared for a shitty experience

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Your lack of patience is going to cost you time and money

dusky quail Dec 6, 2021, 8:35 AM

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jolly narwhal Where is locally?

russia

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 8:36 AM

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At least one CC2652 based seller is in Russia

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 8:36 AM

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Usually AliExpress has local Russia warehouses, not sure if any good cc2652 on Ali though

dusky quail Dec 6, 2021, 8:37 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/fOwRran.png

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 8:39 AM

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This one isn't sold in a traditional online shop (as far as I can tell) but I believe it was one of the first CC2652p sticks: https://github.com/egony/cc2652p_E72-2G4M20S1E/wiki

median jasper Dec 6, 2021, 8:43 AM

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There seems to be random issues with the zigbee network in my house. Conbee II on a mini computer, zigbee2mqtt with and without usb extension cord. (In the barn with much worse conditions it seems to work fine with a rpi 3b, without usb extension cord, zigbee2mqtt, conbee II) In the house I have especially some issues with 2+2 types of IKEA led drivers and (one my newest) phillips hue light strip. The units with issues is also the ones with best /closest location to the coordinator. I do not see any issues or warning mentioned on the z2m pages for these devices either. Any suggestions? https://paste.debian.net/1222196/

dusky quail Dec 6, 2021, 8:44 AM

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sour shadow At least one CC2652 based seller is in Russia

there are some on local ebay but they're in moscow and that's fine i could get them in 3-4 days but price is like 35 usd which is too much comparing to ali price (it's like $5, right?)

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 8:44 AM

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$5 for a CC2531, which is shit

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$35 for a CC2652 based stick is reasonable

obsidian sandalBOT Dec 6, 2021, 8:44 AM

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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

dusky quail Dec 6, 2021, 8:47 AM

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sour shadow $35 for a CC2652 based stick is reasonable

got it ty

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Also, i'm sorry again for stupid questions, but i didn't get it - for zigbee sensors, how would it work? I mean will i be able to use any xiaomi/tuya sensors and will they just be found and recognized by HA or i should get a list of compatible sensors before i buy

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 8:54 AM

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See #zigbee-archived message

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Once you pick ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT then they have a wide range of support for various devices

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There are brands that are known to be better/worse than others, and various quirks to be aware of, but it's mostly straightforward if you're remembering to research first

mighty river Dec 6, 2021, 9:57 AM

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I'm stuck on this problem with the AqaraH1 dual button switches. In the zha_events the same text is displayed whether I press the left button or the right button.
In this post is the detail: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/zha-aqara-wireless-remote-switch-double-rocker/256231/34

Do you know what else can be done to distinguish the left button from the right one?

azure tinsel Dec 6, 2021, 10:38 AM

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Yesterday my ZigBee coordinator from tube with Ethernet did not respond anymore. When powering it off and back on it worked again in Z2M. I'm not sure what happened. Is it a known problem? Never had this before though. Any thoughts of what could cause this or do I have to keep logs from now o

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I'm using 2 home assistant servers which both connect to it controlling around 110 devices. Could 2 Z2M add-ons at the same time cause a crash? Or should the cc2652p2 with esp be powerfully enough to send so much mqtt messages

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 10:42 AM

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Two instances of z2m can't surely use the same coordinator

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Two HAs using the same broker on the other hand

azure tinsel Dec 6, 2021, 10:43 AM

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I have a backup system that kicks in when the main system goes offline. And has been rock solid for a while now. When I update my main system the backup system kicks in and controlling all the important automations until it comes back online.

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But both are connected to the same ZigBee coordinator

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 10:47 AM

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Your system goes offline?

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You should fix that

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Mine hasn't gone unintentionally offline for almost three years

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You don't have planned outage windows?

azure tinsel Dec 6, 2021, 10:48 AM

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Mine doesn't too. But when updating the OS the system goes offline for example

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 10:48 AM

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That you announce to your families? ThinkEyes

azure tinsel Dec 6, 2021, 10:48 AM

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Haha

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Good idea

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 10:49 AM

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I have once a month on Sunday an outage window of 10 minutes

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My wife knows this

azure tinsel Dec 6, 2021, 10:49 AM

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More then once I have wrecked my install.. but with the right backup 10 minutes for getting it back up sounds right

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I just don't want the system to go offline through a hardware failure while I'm away. This way everything keeps working when it fails

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 10:50 AM

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I have customers that have worse disaster recovery plans than me, and that scares me

azure tinsel Dec 6, 2021, 10:51 AM

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But this ZigBee coordinator failing on me. Worries me the most. A backup system can't fix that

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 10:51 AM

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Fun fact for you, I've only had to do one rollback for customers in 14 years, that is how good I plan upgrades

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And it was the customers fault...

azure tinsel Dec 6, 2021, 10:53 AM

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I understand.. but a raspi running in the background just in case doesn't hurt anyone. I only need to know if this could crash the coordinator

crude otter Dec 6, 2021, 10:54 AM

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2 installs and 1 coordinator doesnt sound.... supported

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but, if its a proper backup, and both arent accessing it at the same time...

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like, if its got the exact same network map etc, i personally dont think it would matter

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(but im no expert)

azure tinsel Dec 6, 2021, 10:55 AM

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No it's using mqtt. So if I send an mqtt message to the coordinator it shouldn't matter from which devices it's coming

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But I guess I'm the only one doing this so just need some testing to see if this was a one time thing or if it keeps happening

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It could also be a network error.

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I will put a wifi smartplug between the socket and the coordinator to being able to switch it off and back on when it doesnt react

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 11:12 AM

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I'll add my 2 cents. I had my zigbe netork working, then I made a full backup. Then I messed around a little. Then I restored the previous backup and.... nothing works. I had to manually re-pair all devices

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 11:31 AM

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With what integration?

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I have never had to repair with Z2M except when I migrated from the cc2531 years ago, and I've broken my host and moved the stick between three hosts

frosty kettle Dec 6, 2021, 12:40 PM

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Can someone recommend me a 230v relais with dimmer function and zigbee compatability that I can hide in the cover of my ceiling lamp to make it smart? Preferably available in Europe.

tropic depot Dec 6, 2021, 12:44 PM

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odd mango I'll add my 2 cents. I had my zigbe netork working, then I made a full backup. T...

You changed integrations no? That’s different

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 12:44 PM

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did not change it in this case

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I'm no expert but it looks like some configurations are eing saved to the dongle itself?

tropic depot Dec 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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echo sentinel Just wondering if anyone had pointers for a proper way to get a quirk started......

The readme in the repo explains how to with a lot of detail by breaking down an existing one

echo sentinel Dec 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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yeah... I had a look before and didn't really get anywhere.

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got a quirk written that nver loaded

tropic depot Dec 6, 2021, 12:49 PM

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it logs the entire matching process at startup

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If it didn’t load the log should explain why

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It will tell you which elements prevent it from applying: device type, cluster mismatch etc

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 1:37 PM

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guys, I was battling this for two straight days, looks like I will need your help.
I am running ZHA on CC2652 and all of my devices are unstable, log is full of "became unavailable"

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and I also have several different warning messages in the log

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like:
components/zha/core/channels/base.py:428
DeliveryError('Request failed after 5 attempts: <Status.MAC_NO_ACK: 233>')

inland coral Dec 6, 2021, 1:40 PM

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Is your mesh strong? Do you have many routers?

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 1:40 PM

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i have like 15 devices and 4 routers

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now 2 disconnected, so only the stick and single smart socket left, with hope to find a rogue router

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https://i.imgur.com/bnAu7an.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZHMYCIq.jpg <- boiler_on is full of "unavailable" gaps

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this is just to show how often this is

cerulean abyss Dec 6, 2021, 2:31 PM

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What is the best way to add support for an unsupported device to zigbee2mqtt

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 2:33 PM

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Did you find the official docs?

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/advanced/support-new-devices/01_support_new_devices.html

cerulean abyss Dec 6, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Yeah im just confused where to put the .js file

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I have one I found online for my device

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Is it just under /config/zigbee2mqtt/[there]? (HAOS add on)

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Depends on how you installed Z2M

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Yeah, no idea about the add-on

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Pretty sure you can add them through the UI, normally

cerulean abyss Dec 6, 2021, 2:50 PM

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@sour shadow So I am trying to do what this guy in the second screenshot did, and this is how I’ve laid it out in my folder structure https://imgur.com/a/cWZZL0c

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I’m just confused as Z2MQTT just complains it can’t do anything with the device

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 2:54 PM

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Yeah, I know nothing about the add-on

cerulean abyss Dec 6, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Ah all good, hope someone else might be able to help

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(or even if you have any tips on how to force it)

twilit narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 3:18 PM

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cerulean abyss Ah all good, hope someone else might be able to help

Once you’ve added the js in the zigbee2mqtt folder you can add to the addon configuration the file in the converters entry. Like:
`external_converters:

yourconverter.js`

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Then restart Z2M to get it loaded

cerulean abyss Dec 6, 2021, 3:30 PM

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twilit narwhal Once you’ve added the js in the zigbee2mqtt folder you can add to the addon conf...

I did that, still no dice. Surprised since the provided converter code should be fine

twilit narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 3:33 PM

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that's odd, can you see the converter in Z2M > Parameters > external converters?

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(Additionally, I'd recommend making a converters folder and putting all converters in this folder, just for maintainability)

cerulean abyss Dec 6, 2021, 3:35 PM

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twilit narwhal that's odd, can you see the converter in Z2M > Parameters > external converters?

As in the name there?

twilit narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 3:37 PM

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yes

cerulean abyss Dec 6, 2021, 3:37 PM

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Yes it’s there

twilit narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 3:38 PM

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the last thing to check is if your device is inside that converter (check the definition segment for model, manufacturer and zigbee_model)

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manufacturer == vendor

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compare it to the payload received when trying to pair the device

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the real important here is zigbee_model which have to be exactly the same as :
Zigbee2MQTT:warn 2021-11-01 12:00:00: Device '0xaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa' with Zigbee model 'yourzigbeemodel' and manufacturer name 'yourmanufacturer' is NOT supported, please follow https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/how_tos/how_to_support_new_devices.html

cerulean abyss Dec 6, 2021, 3:55 PM

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Yep okay, will double check those in the morning

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Thanks!

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:07 PM

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anyone tried this multi-mode gateway?
https://solution.tuya.com/projects/CMa8kjgmijv3tp

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 4:08 PM

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ablobgrimace

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That looks like a wonderful idea

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https://tenor.com/view/sarcameter-sarcasm-meter-sarcastic-gif-14555952

Tenor

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:10 PM

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why tho

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 4:10 PM

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Where do you want to begin?

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:10 PM

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I was actually looking in to ESP32, if it could handle both BLE and zigbee

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 4:10 PM

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You're reliant on their cloud service

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You're reliant on them supporting devices

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:11 PM

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ah. Didn't know that. Was hoping to integrate it locally

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 4:11 PM

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It's Tuya, of course it's going to use a cloud service

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At least they fixed the latest set of problems with their services

lilac wharf Dec 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Except the one glaring issue

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|| cloud ||

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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ok, shit then

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Particularly given point #2

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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unless someone does ESP32 for it

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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But if they do, you're back to the point where you didn't need to buy their hardware

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Just do the sane thing, run ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT for all your Zigbee

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:13 PM

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well I did not see any other hardware

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 4:13 PM

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🤔

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For what?

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:14 PM

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single gateway with BLE and zigbee, preferably with PoE

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 4:14 PM

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You're clearly missing the point of Home Assistant

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It is your gateway

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Why would you want to go shoot yourself in the foot by locking yourself into a manufacturer's ecosystem?

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:15 PM

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I am having issues with BLE range

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 4:15 PM

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Then you can solve that with ESPHome

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:17 PM

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it could also house a zigbee chip.

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would not need a cumbersome and expensive usb stick

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 4:18 PM

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Most of the existing Zigbee coordinators based off of the CC2652 are designed and built by hobbyists.

Nothing stopping you taking the same approach and designing and building your own one with BLE capabilities.

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:20 PM

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🙂

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HA is already taking too much life out of me

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even though I'm an engineers and I COULD, I wont.

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oh, I see HA has it's own hardware, the amber

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which kinda solves all of this

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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Well, it's not amber any more, but that's partially the goal

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Of course, if you're having issues with BLE range that's not going to solve it

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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I see it does not have BLE radio?!

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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Makes no sense to pack a lot of radio on the same space

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This is why we have interference

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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if it can be a nice looking box, I could hand it somewhere in the living room, close to all BLE devices

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 4:25 PM

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It's basically a Pi with an expansion board

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 4:25 PM

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No need, put one esp32 in the living room

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 4:26 PM

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by the way. CC2652 supports both zigbee and BLE

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were there any attempts to make both work at the same time?

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Because of interference that makes little sense for most i guess

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Makes more sense with the cc1352p2 with the ZigBee and subghz

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 5:24 PM

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different topic: anyone tried these? I wonder how much hassle it will be to setup
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002900626733.html

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 5:25 PM

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If they're actually Zigbee, should be no worse than anything else that's unsupported

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 5:27 PM

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I have one

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Can't get it to work properly in a group

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But I haven't bothered troubleshooting it the last 4 months

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 5:28 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/hurry-up-gif-4424796

Tenor

Judge Judy hurry up

▶ Play video

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 5:29 PM

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PU_PeepoLeaveExit

sour shadow Dec 6, 2021, 5:29 PM

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They look rather nice though, do they feel ok, not cheap junk?

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 5:31 PM

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there are some reviews on youtube, look nice

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 5:34 PM

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The rotation mechanism feels good

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And the click is good

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It rotates endlessly, so I just spin it until I get high or low

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So the build quality is good, it just doesn't behave when I added it to a group this summer

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 5:37 PM

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you have the other one

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this one is touch

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 5:42 PM

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Oh

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Yeah I have the mechanical one

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The bottom one in the link you sent

odd mango Dec 6, 2021, 5:44 PM

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ok now, I have a quizz

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https://i.imgur.com/rxlHItS.jpg

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I have a "tuya" zigbee relay connected to a gas boiler

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and it is periodically going to "unavailable"

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this is too stable to be interference...

soft plover Dec 6, 2021, 7:40 PM

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which is better USB Stick CC2652P2 or CC2652P for Home Assistant integration

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thanks for help

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 7:43 PM

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The P2 designation is for the little pre-built Zigbee module, I don't think there's a CC2652P2 chip.

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But they're functionally the same

ember bluff Dec 6, 2021, 8:00 PM

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For Aqara 2 buttons remote (WRS-R02) both button send the exact same zha_event. Do you think it could be fixed with a ZHA quirk ? (I am using Conbee2 with ZHA)

soft plover Dec 6, 2021, 8:03 PM

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austere patio But they're functionally the same

thanks ... i think i buy CC2652P ... actually i use a conbee II

tropic depot Dec 6, 2021, 8:13 PM

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ember bluff For Aqara 2 buttons remote (WRS-R02) both button send the exact same zha_event. ...

depends on what the device does.

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https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman-converters/issues/3147 looks like same thing w/ Z2M

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What coordinator do you have?

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looks like we should be able to make it work... w/ some messing around

dusky quail Dec 6, 2021, 8:23 PM

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sour shadow $35 for a CC2652 based stick is reasonable

Found it for 11 on ali btw
https://aliexpress.ru/item/1005003606767695.html

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 8:24 PM

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80% chance it works

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Update the firmware if you do get it, some people report that it doesn't permit joins until you flash the latest build. Dunno what Sonoff flashes at the factory.

dusky quail Dec 6, 2021, 8:26 PM

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I've just ordered it btw i have positive feedback about if from russian HA community, they saying that works just as plug and play

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 8:26 PM

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It's a CC2652P, they all are plug and play. The only problem is that some people report that their coordinators don't actually allow new devices to join.

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Sonoff has released defective coordinators in the past so it's either a bad batch of coordinators or a lot of people are buying them because they're cheap and naturally have more problems

dusky quail Dec 6, 2021, 8:29 PM

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gotcha ty for the tip

vale slate Dec 6, 2021, 9:19 PM

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Phoscon ConBee II - is this a decent zigbee device to talk with my lights etc?

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(apologies if not the right place to post)

jolly narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 9:29 PM

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Only if you intend to run deconz

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Otherwise get a cc2652 based stick

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See pinned

frigid comet Dec 6, 2021, 9:44 PM

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so you say a ConBee II isn't great for ZHA? I've literally joined this discord with a couple of questions

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 9:45 PM

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It'll work but other coordinators work better with ZHA

twilit narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 9:49 PM

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frigid comet so you say a ConBee II isn't great for ZHA? I've literally joined this discord w...

You can still ask questions, you know (I, for one, am an heretic running Z2M with a ConBee II coordinator :))

frigid comet Dec 6, 2021, 9:50 PM

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I've got a few bulbs working ok with it, and currently 1 switch powered... but it seems the signal is really poor for the switch https://imgur.com/GqDlBz3 is the visualisation

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switch often drops out, and the lights don't seem to speak to the switch to relay signal? i thought they would as they're always powered/on and listing as routers... is there a way to force them to speak?

twilit narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 9:51 PM

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first things first, if you use a ConBee II, you should put it on a USB cable so it's not plugged in directly in your box

frigid comet Dec 6, 2021, 9:51 PM

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i have, it's on a 2m extension

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i've put it on a curtain rail for now, to raise the height

twilit narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 9:52 PM

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ok don't overdo it either 😉

frigid comet Dec 6, 2021, 9:52 PM

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haha

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 9:53 PM

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Update to the latest HA beta and re-join the device. There was a bug (with the library that talks to the Conbee) that did not permit joins on every router on the network, so the device joined to the only parent that was allowing joins.

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You can also probably unplug the coordinator for a bit and interact with the device or remove its battery (if it has one), that should also get it to pick another parent

twilit narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 9:54 PM

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austere patio You can also probably unplug the coordinator for a bit and interact with the dev...

?!? you sure it'll switch parent with no coordinator on the network?

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 9:55 PM

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It's still on the network, its parent is just offline. The coordinator doesn't really behave all that different from any other router on the network after it has sent the network key to a newly joined device.

twilit narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 9:56 PM

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ooh that I didn't know, nice to learn stuff everyday 😄

frigid comet Dec 6, 2021, 9:56 PM

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i'll happily give it a try, will unplug it for an hour or so!

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thank you for the suggestion 🙂 i will report back

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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A few minutes is fine. Just as long as the device tries to send something to its parent and the parent will never respond.

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(Assuming the Tuya switch does what the spec says)

twilit narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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unlike Aqara ones...

frigid comet Dec 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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if it doesn't, i'll update to HA beta - one question... when you say re-join... you mean remove the switch and re-add?

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Yes

frigid comet Dec 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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cheers

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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You can also remove the device from HA and re-join it but instead of clicking the "add device" button, go to the router that you want it to join through and click the "add devices via this device" (or whatever it's called) button

frigid comet Dec 6, 2021, 10:00 PM

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i tried removing it from HA already and re-added it, didn't make any difference - i was wondering if there's a way to force the switch to speak to the lights

twilit narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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there are several ways

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once it securely sits on your network that is

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 10:02 PM

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The way you add it makes a difference. Normally the "add devices" button asks every router on your network to permit joins. There's a bug in the current stable (fixed in beta) that makes that request not work, so only your coordinator is really permitting joins. You either have to update to the beta and re-join it, or reset it and specifically join it through a close router with that "add devices via this device" button.

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Or the Conbee doesn't allow you to permit joins through only a single router and it always permits joins, I haven't checked. In that case there's not a whole lot you can do other than unplug the Conbee and hope the device finds the new parent.

twilit narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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Yes you can join a router of your choice with a ConBee

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Done it in ZHA back when I was using it, and doing it from time to time on Z2M when needed

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when needed == when pairing Aqara devices...

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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You can send the request but some coordinators (and firmwares) also require you to open joins through the coordinator as well, so a joining device can still pick the coordinator if it wants to. This was the case with older Z-Stack firmware builds, dunno if the Conbee behaves the same way.

twilit narwhal Dec 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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that it does

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when you permit join on a single router, the coordinator seems to also permit join

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but if the switch is closer to a bulb, it should pick the best router available

void helm Dec 6, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Does Zigbee network "adjusts" ? Looking at the graph in ZHA, some links don't really make sense geographically (like some very far away stuff are connected with very bad RSSI, where there are much closer routers available)

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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void helm Does Zigbee network "adjusts" ? Looking at the graph in ZHA, some links don't re...

Depends on the devices. What coordinator are you using?

void helm Dec 6, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Sonoff wifi bridge flashed with tasmota zb. Gonna switch to a conbee when I'm motivated enough to relink everything

vale slate Dec 6, 2021, 10:37 PM

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jolly narwhal Otherwise get a cc2652 based stick

Tried to understand the pins but its not in noob speak 😄 Intending to run it on docker/unraid. Still go with cc2652?

frigid comet Dec 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

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i had a massive performance drop with the beta, signal strength was real low even between the lights - i did try and add device via the closest light (about 2m away), but still went through the zigbee communicator in the end

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i've reverted for now, as beta also messed up my light group/entities from hue

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good to know how to get into beta for bits and pieces, likewise add device via xyz is quite nice to know!

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thanks for your help

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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HA beta shouldn't have any impact on signal strength, that's way outside the software's control

frigid comet Dec 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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reported strength

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 11:23 PM

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Yeah, there have been absolutely no changes to the Conbee radio library aside from that one

frigid comet Dec 6, 2021, 11:23 PM

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weird

austere patio Dec 6, 2021, 11:23 PM

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And it can't impact any low-level network stuff like RSSI

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The Conbee seems to have issues after "restarting" so that's probably why

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 12:07 AM

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frigid comet i had a massive performance drop with the beta, signal strength was real low ev...

There was a change in the ZHA map. In versions before the current beta, the map showed green colors even though it shouldn't have. (https://github.com/home-assistant/frontend/pull/10616/files)
How did you determine that the signal strength is actually lower? (Which shouldn't even matter if all your devices are working fine)

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See: https://imgur.com/a/lMITxIR

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It's the same Zigbee network with the same signal strengths/LQI values. The visualization colors were just fixed in the first beta release.

finite hamlet Dec 7, 2021, 12:15 AM

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Evening all - any reason why my zigbee devices would just stop working? I am using a GoControl USB passed through a VM

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just randomly stopped working, and rebooting the VM doesn't seem to fix anything

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Did all Zigbee devices stop working?

finite hamlet Dec 7, 2021, 12:16 AM

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yes

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I'm using Unraid with a VM for HA

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Did you see if there's anything in the Home Assistant logs? (Connection failure to the stick?)

finite hamlet Dec 7, 2021, 12:17 AM

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no, it shows up in HA

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and no errors

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 12:17 AM

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finite hamlet I'm using Unraid with a VM for HA

Ah, UNRAID has been fine with VM passthrough for me.

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Are you using ZHA (the integrated integration "Zigbee Home Automation" in Home Assistant) or Zigbee2Mqtt?

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If you're using ZHA, try enabling debug logging: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging and restart Home Assistant, then check the logs for errors again.

finite hamlet Dec 7, 2021, 12:31 AM

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let me take a look

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I just restarted my unraid server

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i hadn't touched it in so long so just weird

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 12:32 AM

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If it still doesn't work, try stopping the VM, replugging the coordinator and then starting the VM again. Maybe the stick crashed or whatever.

finite hamlet Dec 7, 2021, 12:33 AM

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yeah it's a possibility

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kinda weird though

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honestly makes me want to just go to lutron for everything

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and simplify my life

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🙂

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but it's pricey for sure

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 12:35 AM

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Zigbee has mostly been working just fine for me (even passed through a VM in UNRAID).
The GoControl HUSBZB-1 uses a chip that's already a bit dated, but should still work fine. (There are firmware updates for it too)

finite hamlet Dec 7, 2021, 12:42 AM

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mellow geode Zigbee has mostly been working just fine for me (even passed through a VM in UNR...

how to update the firmware on it through Unraid?

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or do I have to plug it into a laptop or something

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and what's the better zigbee/zwave USB dongle now?

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 12:47 AM

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Any TI CC2652 based stick should work great with ZHA and Z2M. (Only some Sonoff sticks based on those chips are reported to have issues)
Otherwise, Silabs based sticks are good for ZHA.
I don't use Z-Wave at all though.

Regarding your current stick:
it should still work just fine, if you didn't change anything. If you turn on debug logs and restart Home Assistant, you should see why the stick doesn't appear to work.
Firmware upgrade instructions can be found here: https://github.com/walthowd/husbzb-firmware
Note: I don't own/haven't flashed a HUSBZB-1 stick myself. It's probably easiest to just plug it in your personal machine rather than doing it through UNRAID/HassOS (which is also possible but more difficult).

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See the pinned messages at the top for some more information about other sticks. (There are also instructions for upgrading your current stick via HassOS)

tropic depot Dec 7, 2021, 1:05 AM

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mellow geode There was a change in the ZHA map. In versions before the current beta, the map ...

This isn’t the map… that PR corrects a table column sort in the view children dialog for a router device

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 1:05 AM

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ah, I was referring to this: https://github.com/home-assistant/frontend/pull/10616/files#diff-caa59951a32af4a5f1ebd81cbdec84421278a9aeba8edf26675b61b50b11cc45R236-R240

tropic depot Dec 7, 2021, 1:06 AM

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Nvm I can’t read

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 1:07 AM

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also, I haven't forgotten about debugging that "failed to unpack" error on the LightLink cluster. I just didn't find the time yet

finite hamlet Dec 7, 2021, 1:07 AM

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I enabled the logs, lets see what it says

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 1:07 AM

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ahh, I was wondering why it wasn't mentioned in the PR description

finite hamlet Dec 7, 2021, 1:08 AM

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my hue device works

tropic depot Dec 7, 2021, 1:08 AM

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Scratch that… nothing was changed there

finite hamlet Dec 7, 2021, 1:08 AM

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but that's basically a bridge

tropic depot Dec 7, 2021, 1:09 AM

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The model changes to fix the dialog necessitated that

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So my original comment holds true

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There should be 0 functional changes to the map view

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 1:09 AM

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oh, interesting

tropic depot Dec 7, 2021, 1:09 AM

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I changed the type of the field in the model object

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So the changes to the visualization was just to account for the type change

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 1:10 AM

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well, it seems to have changed my map's colors.

tropic depot Dec 7, 2021, 1:10 AM

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that said I am legit color blind both red green and blue / purple spectrum so I struggle with that

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If it did change and it’s correct then great 😃

tropic depot Dec 7, 2021, 1:12 AM

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mellow geode also, I haven't forgotten about debugging that "failed to unpack" error on the L...

For this I just wanna change 1 log line

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to include the exception content

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 1:12 AM

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yeah, sure. I guess I have time now

tropic depot Dec 7, 2021, 1:12 AM

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I’ll dm the details

finite hamlet Dec 7, 2021, 2:46 AM

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mellow geode Any TI CC2652 based stick should work great with ZHA and Z2M. (Only some Sonoff ...

FYI, unplugged it and plugged it back into another USB port -- success 🙂

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sometimes it really feels like stupid problems 😛

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many thanks

mellow geode Dec 7, 2021, 2:47 AM

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That’s great to hear!

cerulean abyss Dec 7, 2021, 4:16 AM

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twilit narwhal the real important here is zigbee_model which have to be exactly the same as : Z...

Well that was it, turns out the manufacturer name was slightly different. Now that was fixed and the light is happy to work! Thanks so much!

fierce remnant Dec 7, 2021, 6:34 AM

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guys, it is possible to create dynamic zigbee groups via a service call? I'm using node-red. I would like to pass a list of lights to create a dynamic group, set parameters for that group to control these lights, and then dismantle that group. Is that a thing?

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oh, and I'm using the ZHA integration

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I would assume this would be done via invoking the zha domain manually, but I don't know where to find a list of attributes that I could use

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I mean, except those found in devtools/services, but the only relevant service I found there is zha.issue_zigbee_group_command, and this seems to be working only on established groups

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I could also live with premade groups, if I could dymamically add or remove devices from them

ivory hound Dec 7, 2021, 6:47 AM

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i don't think that's a thing

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not yet anyway

fierce remnant Dec 7, 2021, 6:55 AM

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aw, too bad, It'd cut a lot of my zigbee traffic 🙂

odd mango Dec 7, 2021, 6:58 AM

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Good morning, to those central europeans.

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I have this zigby light switch.. I add it as device and it appears as:
TS0601 by _TZE200_nkjintbl

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No entities are shown

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And also no zha events are generated when I toggle the switch...

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What now?

crude otter Dec 7, 2021, 7:01 AM

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🗑️

jolly narwhal Dec 7, 2021, 7:04 AM

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vale slate Tried to understand the pins but its not in noob speak 😄 Intending to run it on...

Yes

odd mango Dec 7, 2021, 7:16 AM

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Ok, looks like there are numerous requests for similar switches out there. Looks like it os using a tuya proprietary protocol... I guess I should avoid tuya products, as it's not the first time I have to bin something.

crude otter Dec 7, 2021, 7:18 AM

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i was only joking with the 🗑️ comment

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but... lol

twilit narwhal Dec 7, 2021, 7:32 AM

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odd mango Ok, looks like there are numerous requests for similar switches out there. Looks...

try to subscribe to every events and see if something happens when you click it. I have a switch that generates only state_changed events when clicked. I can still use it in automations because every state_changed events of these device contains a 'command' attribute in its payload. Maybe yours is the same.

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I can't show you an example of a payload because its battery went kaput yesterday... waiting for a replacement later today.

odd mango Dec 7, 2021, 7:38 AM

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I tried to listen to zha_event, but nothing happens when I click it

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similar reports out there

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https://community.home-assistant.io/t/switch-zigbee-tze200-ts0601-paired-but-without-entities/262762

twilit narwhal Dec 7, 2021, 7:42 AM

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yeah as I said try to listen to * events very briefly, when you click on the device, you might get several events, but hopefully you'll get one from the device

fierce remnant Dec 7, 2021, 8:35 AM

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I'm pretty sure ZHA doesn't yet have this device in its quirks - they've recently added some Tuya switches to https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers - but this hasn't been yet pushed to homeassistant (I also have a Tuya wallswitch)

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or submit a device request at https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues

crystal wraith Dec 7, 2021, 9:53 AM

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anyone have experience with** Sunricher Smart Zigbee-dimmer** . I want to make all my my light switches smart and it seems like an affordable product (the switches themselves are yellow from sun wear so need the plastic physical switch to be replaced at the same time)

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or any other alternative for replacing the entire wall switch and make is smart at teh same time

lunar sphinx Dec 7, 2021, 10:14 AM

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(Reposting from #hardware-archived)

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Hi guys, i just bought 2 ikea bulbs (LED2002G5) and I can't pair it to ZHA correctly.
It first pairs, I can control it, then few seconds after pairing it unpairs !

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Erf can't post screenshots here :( i wanted to post some of the log.

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https://salamandar.fr/nextcloud/s/PmgKz5mj2k9Z3wc

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You can see the note 0x33d0 pairing, giving info, and the "left the network".
Never had this behaviour before, even with my other 3 years old ikea bulb.
https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Ikea_LED2002G5.html
It's supposed to be supported by tasmota and z2m but not zha. Is there a known issue ? Maybe with the "no handler for ZDO" seen in the log ?

proven saffron Dec 7, 2021, 12:20 PM

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Anyone know why battery statuses in Zigbee2MQTT don't work on some devices? For me it doesn't show on Ikea shutter button (but shows on the shutter itself), Lumi weather sensor or the samsung smartthings button.

faint vine Dec 7, 2021, 1:14 PM

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proven saffron Anyone know why battery statuses in Zigbee2MQTT don't work on some devices? For ...

I had weird issues like this, and it turned out to be a bug in the kernel driver for the usb dongle, after upgrading to a newer kernel all the issues went away.

Edit: Dug up the bug report on the subject: https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/8663

rapid jetty Dec 7, 2021, 1:42 PM

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Noob question: Using Hassos on VBox, I swapped out my cheapo zigbee adaptor(coordinator) for a Sonnoff USB3.0. I was using Zigbee2Mqtt with original zigbee adaptor so I uninstalled that addon and swapped the hardware. After swapping hardware and booting up I re-installed Zigbee2Mqtt and was shocked to see that my devices that were paired to the original adaptor were bound and working? How? I thought the end devices were paired to the coordinator and would need to be reset and re-paired? Don't get me wrong I'm happy but confused.

odd mango Dec 7, 2021, 2:06 PM

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hi again. I have one more issue with my light swithes. Had a couple of these installed and they worked well:
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/H0625c6e4c2694347bf975ca9ff2d1f05p/Zigbee-No-Neutral-Push-Button-Light-Switch-Smart-Wall-Switch-Single-Line-Fire-Wire-1-2.png_.webp
Then I messed up something and all devices somehow lost their pairings (but remained in the list), so I had to re-pair all devices manually.

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The problem is that these switches do not have a button to press... They enter in to pairing mode when connection is lost.

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Somehow they are still seeing the connection as active, but appear as unavailable, and I can't re-pair them.

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tried the power toggle, did not help. Any ideas?

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tried to power down the HA and start another raspberry with different zigbee stick, and it paired normally

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so it seems like my main HA somehow retains the connection, or the switches think there is a connection...

mighty river Dec 7, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Is there anybody who knows the status of ZHA and ZigBee Green Power (ZGP) integration? #zha #zgp

rustic orchid Dec 7, 2021, 3:21 PM

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Anyone know of any tricks to getting Philips Hue Motion Sensors working nicely with ZHA? I'm using CC2652 - zzh, but getting terrible delays on the occupancy sensor. It also flashes a red light sometimes when detecting motion - I remember reading somewhere that may indicate a communication issue?

faint vine Dec 7, 2021, 3:23 PM

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rustic orchid Anyone know of any tricks to getting Philips Hue Motion Sensors working nicely w...

Possibly https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/8663 ?

rustic orchid Dec 7, 2021, 3:27 PM

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faint vine Possibly https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/8663 ?

Hmm strange thing is all my other zigbee devices are OK with no delay. I'm using docker on a virtual machine with the zzh passed thru to the VM.

faint vine Dec 7, 2021, 3:28 PM

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rustic orchid Hmm strange thing is all my other zigbee devices are OK with no delay. I'm using...

I had really weird issues with that one, on ZHA my Ikea shortcut buttons wouldn't even connect, but my Aqara door sensors worked fine. On Zigbee2MQTT, my Aqara door sensors had massive delay, but the shortcut buttons worked. If that bug affects you, could well be the source of your issues. I also had smart plugs that would randomly turn themselves off, then not allow me to turn them back on again.

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all worked perfectly as soon as I upgraded the kernel to a newer version

rustic orchid Dec 7, 2021, 3:36 PM

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Hmm will check it out, thanks!