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solid inlet
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Very true. How long do you suppose it will need to settle best it can?

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log is not calling for high utilization now at least, so some improvement maybe

sudden yarrow
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Hard to say. I'd just say - have a night of rest, if nothing major is broken.

solid inlet
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I will then, thanks for your support!

sudden yarrow
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As long as puddly isn't present here and isn't recommending something different. In that case: always listen to puddly 😆

grim igloo
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He’d suggest the same thing I did above which wasn’t followed

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No ZLL channel chosen and poor choice for 2.4ghz channels both.. really not ideal

solid inlet
rare robin
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hey, what should LQI be on a healthy network, I'm getting like 40 - 140 on devices, which I'm not sure if there is an issue or not

grim igloo
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skyconnect?

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devices added to mesh starting closest to coordinator and end devices added last?

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all zigbee 3.0 devices?

rare robin
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sorry didn't see reply

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I did not add them geographically no

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it's all inovelli and hue right now so I belive 3.0 yes

grim igloo
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They should update routes later then

solid inlet
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Ugh... Short of removing devices one by one, is there any way of seeing which one may be spamming the Zigbee network? Almost at 100% utilization now and not dropping... Can't really let it go

grim igloo
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Skyconnect or no @rare robin

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If yes then LQI kind of matters but if not then LQI is just rescaled rssi per puddly

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But he also says if it works just let it ride

solid inlet
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but if at capacity not much will have it tip over, no?

austere patio
solid inlet
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Hm. Well I don't disagree, but why wasn't the ZZh getting the same thing?

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logs were clean then, apart from my own mistakes...

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But if environmental, no or very few devices should cause the same thing, right?

rare robin
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@grim igloo you mean the dongle? no, the sonoff 3 one from amazon

solid inlet
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Well, mabee nothing, but when removing, I cought this in the log after restart

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2023-07-07 18:43:52.809 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.cluster_handlers] [0x7ACB:11:0x0006]: 'async_configure' stage failed: 'uint8_t' object is not subscriptable
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/cluster_handlers/__init__.py", line 316, in async_configure
    await self.configure_reporting()
  File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/cluster_handlers/__init__.py", line 240, in configure_reporting
    self._configure_reporting_status(reports, res[0])
  File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/cluster_handlers/__init__.py", line 282, in _configure_reporting_status
    if res[0].status == Status.SUCCESS and len(res) == 1:
gleaming jay
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I have a TubeZ zigbee poe controller, and after updating to the .1 latest HA update all my zigbee devices went unavailable. Checking the logs it says it couldnt setup the controller with an error about the network being busy. Anyone know how to reboot the poe tubez controller remotely

solid inlet
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so something was not optimal as I understand it...

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and no unexpected logentries running only with the coordinator (SkyConnect)

molten linden
gleaming jay
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I think I figured it out. Saw a post about zigbee groups causing too much traffic. Removed the group i had for my two window covers from configuration.yaml and instead made one via the helpers. Restarted HA and now it can connect to the controller

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It's odd. I've read about that group issue before, and in this post it also mentioned its usually when you have multiple groups. But I had only one group with 2 members. Odd that it caused an overload

grim igloo
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that is odd - i use zigbee groups extensively using a cc2652p coordinator

gleaming jay
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okay maybe it was a fluke. I did the group thing, then once everything seemed to be working I re-updated HA (I had previously restored back). Now i'm getting the same error again.

solid inlet
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@gleaming jay Which controller do u have?

gleaming jay
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So changing the group method didn't actually fix it

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tubez's poe one

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Nothing physical has changed with location of devices or the controller

grim igloo
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there are multiple versions- do you mean the efr32 one with zha?

gleaming jay
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yes tubeszb-efr32-mgm210-poe-2022

grim igloo
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yeah tube might need to help diagnose a possible issue if there isnt a known issue already about the latest update

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since you've narrowed it down to only happening after update and going away after downgrade

gleaming jay
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well it happened when i updated to .1, but when i restored to .0 it remained

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when i downgraded it persisted until i changed the group method

grim igloo
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the same issue remained you mean?

gleaming jay
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yes

grim igloo
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gotcha

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just asking questions so he has some more info when he jumps back

gleaming jay
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i somewhat recently added something to my configuration.yaml for enabling zha ota, i'm going to try commenting that out and restarting

gleaming jay
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So I disabled that OTA config stuff and restarted, now back on .1 update, and the problem has gone away with the network error. However, I stepped away during the restart and so I can't be totally sure, but I think if I'm reading the timestamps correctly, HA did in fact continue to have the network busy error, but it overcome it anyway after some time

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so the issue is still there, somewhere

tropic depot
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Where are you seeing this?

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What else is in your configuration.yml for ZHA?

gleaming jay
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the logs is where i'm seeing the network busy error

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There was only the OTA stuff in the configuration.yaml for ZHA, but that's now removed

tropic depot
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When does it show in the logs?

gleaming jay
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During boot

tropic depot
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Do you have any automations firing during boot?

gleaming jay
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or, after boot, when the zha integration shows as failed, if i try to reload it the logs show the same issues

tropic depot
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Hrm

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So it is failing to actually start…

gleaming jay
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no automations firing. It errors in the logs about can't load a trigger for an automation, but that seemed to me to be a result of the trigger device not existing since zha didnt' load

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yes the integration says it totally fails

tropic depot
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Unplug the coord

gleaming jay
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on the coordinator? I'm remote right now but I did restart it within esphome web portal

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or esp i should say

tropic depot
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Yeah I’d try unplugging it

gleaming jay
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I'll try that tonight

tropic depot
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Can you boot the router it is attached to remotely? That may cut its power for a sec 🤷‍♂️

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Did you change the firmware or anything on this recently?

gleaming jay
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Unfortunately the POE switch it is on isn't one I can remotely reboot

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no, nothing changed except updating HA

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which is maybe not really the issue, it seems like if conditions aren't right during a restart of HA the problem occurs (maybe)

tropic depot
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Any new zigbee devices added?

gleaming jay
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a week ago I added an ikea air purifier and a 2nd gen remote without issue

tropic depot
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If you want you can set debug mode on and send me a startup log

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And I’ll peek at it

gleaming jay
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and removed an ikea outlet, which made me have to re-pair some end devices because they were using the outlet as their router (I guess)

dire owl
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hey any ideas why a 2023 Aqara Light sensors T1 paired with ZHA/SkyConnect does not show a battery level entity? Its listed as a supported device

tropic depot
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There is a 2023 version?

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What’s the model #?

gleaming jay
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I had debug on and should still have the logs. let me try and strip out the necessary parts, it's 19mb

dire owl
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mine was made April 2023, model number is GZCGQ11LM

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supposedly it supports interval setting

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also

tropic depot
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Interval for what?

dire owl
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for reporting

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light changes

tropic depot
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What is on the device card in HA

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lumi.sen_ill.mgl01

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Is what all of mine show as

gleaming jay
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ah this log file does'nt contain the "network busy" error, i'll have to try and recreate the error to capture a log now

dire owl
tropic depot
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Yep that’s def a new model

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And will need a quirk for battery most likely

dire owl
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I think they got working in Z2M

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I mean fully working

tropic depot
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Sure

gleaming jay
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nm it's there. How do I give you a 19mb log? I don't really know what's relevant to safely strip out

tropic depot
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It’s prob dead simple

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But no one has added it to quirks yet

dire owl
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its working in ZHA

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light levels at least

tropic depot
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Right

dire owl
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ok, well short of getting one yourself, let me know if need me to do anything

tropic depot
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If there isn’t one already

fathom ginkgo
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Anyone familiar with adding support for a device in Z2M?

heady phoenix
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is there a way to set light color on a philips hue light strip from an automation? seems not to be an available option that i'm seeing

tropic depot
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Light turn on takes color options

heady phoenix
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oh, maybe they're not available via the visual editor?

tropic depot
fathom ginkgo
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I have not seen the option to set color in "turn on" in the visual automation editor

grizzled kettle
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The options that show up are supposed to be filtered based on what features your light entity claims to support.

fathom ginkgo
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I have Hue play and I can control color manually but not in the visual editor for an automation. But seems its possible to set in yaml

grizzled kettle
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Can you copy/paste what the attributes for the light say from devtools?

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The filtering is somewhat new, possibly has a bug, or possibly your light is not reporting the correct thing.

heady phoenix
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min_color_temp_kelvin: 2000
max_color_temp_kelvin: 6535
min_mireds: 153
max_mireds: 500
effect_list: colorloop
supported_color_modes: color_temp, xy
off_with_transition: false
off_brightness: 254
friendly_name: Master bath uplight Light
supported_features: 44
grizzled kettle
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And can you show what options show up in your visual editor for light.turn_on ?

heady phoenix
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i see device, action, brightness and flash

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i'm using zha here for the hue lights of course

dire owl
grizzled kettle
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Are you using a device action or a call service?

heady phoenix
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was using device action, should i use call service instead?

grizzled kettle
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yes use call service

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device actions are much more limited

heady phoenix
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omg, there is the jewels

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that's almost too many options 😛

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thanks @grizzled kettle

fathom ginkgo
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Can the call service turn on a hue scene?

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Ah, yes. "Scene" lol

heady phoenix
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does anyone here use the aqara magic cube? is that a good option, i couldn't get it working before ... but wanting to try something like that at least again .. if there is a better alternative out there

grim igloo
grim igloo
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derp i just saw you were answered the same way

heady phoenix
grim igloo
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no idea with zha, i assume they work since blueprints exist for them for zha

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mumbles zha needs product pages like z2m has

mellow geode
# dire owl thanks. Checked looks like it was not reported, but here it is from me: https://...

fyi, you need to attach the device signature and/or the diagnostic information for that device.
You can find it by going to the device page -> click on the three smal dots -> download device diagnostics information (then edit your original post and paste it where it says [Paste the diagnostic information here].
You'll find the device signature when clicking on "Manage Zigbee device" -> "Signature" tab in that same three dots menu, but the signature is also included in the device diagnoistcs. Having them both, but separate, in the issue makes it a bit more human-readable though

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ah, awesome. See that you did it now. Thanks

dire owl
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thanks! I completly forgot about that

rare robin
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now that I've added almost all the rooms switches and lights into HA with smart bulb mode the LQI is improving I think

solid inlet
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is is possible to decode what device this may be 0xD8F7:11:0x0006 It is one of two that produces error in my log. Without them network load is significantly lower

mellow geode
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search 0xD8F7 on the Zigbee device map

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or go through each Zigbee device and see if any have a Nwk address like that

solid inlet
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Oh, of course. Thank you 🙂

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Got them! They're both Philips HUE led strips (LST002)...

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So it matches the NWK, but what does the other numbers signify?

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Not fully compatible with ZHA then I suppose? TypeError: 'uint8_t' object is not subscriptable

rare robin
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got all 60 ish devices on, and named, updated the last dozen bulbs now! progress!

grim igloo
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schwing

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now show us the names so we can tell you to rename them better

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😛

sudden yarrow
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I'm still rooting for the binary naming scheme

rare robin
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oh god

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be gentle

grim igloo
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ah fuck

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you're not gonna like this...

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do you want the good news or the bad news first?

rare robin
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the bad

grim igloo
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first, i'm gonna need a new screenshot with darkmode toggled on (the sun next to the permit join button)

grim igloo
# rare robin the bad

the devices should really be named like "master bedroom can 4" or "master bedroom 4" without underscores

sudden yarrow
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Do we really want to know, why it is called "stinky bedroom"?

rare robin
grim igloo
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when the entities are added to hass they will still get the same underscores replacing spaces, so no entities are actually gonna be changing unless the name itself changes

rare robin
grim igloo
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the reason i suggest this: when you go to search a device inside hass you'll have to type like.. master_bedroom instead of "master bedroom" which to me makes more sense

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more of a QoL thing

rare robin
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I don't suppose there's a csv export kinda thing here

grim igloo
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probably

rare robin
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that does kinda make sense

grim igloo
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i do try

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that's how my stuff is named

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and the entities still are like light.master_lamp since it converts spaces into underscores (when added to hass)

rare robin
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oh boy

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I will correct this

grim igloo
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example of cans and chandelier

rare robin
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so you didn't put the switches in the group?

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did you bind them together?

grim igloo
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is what it is til i eventually upgrade

rare robin
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ah

dire owl
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Hey, question about energy scan and channels...so currently my channel (20) has about 55% traffic. Some channels like 11, 12, 13 and 14 are all under 11% and some are close tp 99%. I guess 55% is not bad, but if I switched it to channels that have less than 11%, it warned me that not all devices would migrate....which devices would be that? Is there a known list of devices and how do I find what channels the devices support? thanks

grim igloo
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this is zha right?

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that's a disclaimer not necessarily saying your devices wont. i think a rule of thumb is that battery 1.2 devices you'd expect to not migrate and any mains you would expect to migrate

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however it's suggested to stick to ZLL channels 15/20/25 so i wouldnt move personally

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i'd figure out if your interference is coming from something you can change like your own wifi 2.4ghz APs

dire owl
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ahh yes, its ZHA. Thats some sound advice, thanks.

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I'll leave it alone

gilded swallow
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Does enabling disabled entities like LQI and RSSI cause any additional battery drain on battery devices? I assume no. I assume that the values update whenever the device itself checks in and that the entities themselves don't actually trigger the device to check in more often (for battery devices).

carmine hamlet
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correct

gilded swallow
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Thanks!

carmine hamlet
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the coordinator will have the information, it's just whether you want to see it

grim igloo
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I thought they still updated the payloads but just nothing recorded in hass

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I’ll disable extra stuff if that’s the case…

carmine hamlet
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the question was "Does enabling disabled entities like LQI and RSSI cause any additional battery drain on battery devices?", and I can't see how it would

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someone is welcome to correct me, though

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in Z2M, the LQI is updated whenever there's a transaction with the device, having nothign to do with what HA is doing

muted meteor
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I there any benefit moving my SkyConnect to a USB2 port instead of a USB3 port? It's on the end of a high-quality USB3 extension plugged into a USB3 port at the moment.

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Looking for ways to improve the signal

lime locust
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adaptive lighting is an integration right ?

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have a small issue with the adaptive lighting , zigbee bulbs always start white then turn warm ... while wifi bulbs start warm immediately as they should according to the sun position ....

sudden yarrow
grim igloo
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however he has said due to cost and availability (already owned hardware) he still suggests 2.0 extenders regardless of port used

sudden yarrow
lime locust
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love it , but since a few iterations , my zigbee bulbs dont immediately have the right tone

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go white then turn warm

grim igloo
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if the bulbs support it then change the settings

sudden yarrow
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Can share the code, if you like

rapid flume
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So if I read correctly, if I have a HUSBZB-1 I cannot use zigbee2mqtt?

grim igloo
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well you should do yourself a favor and get a better coordinator regardless

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that's old and not recommended

rapid flume
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right now I have other places to put money, I just want to get running what I got

gilded swallow
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And I've been having a ton of zigbee issues the last year or so and I think it's due to interference, or maybe my coordinator. Most of my automations I've had to add retry loops for things as simple as turning a light on or off.

grim igloo
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are you using zha or z2m?

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if zha you can go for the newer efr32 coordinator

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if z2m the cc2652p is "not experimental" aka not beta

gilded swallow
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ZHA, but if I'm going to have to go through migrating everything over to Z2M if that's what is recommended now. I just never had a reason to move.

grim igloo
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the reasoning PoE coordinators are good is because you can centrally locate them instead of them hanging off a server on the corner of the house, basement, etc

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if you dont need that, something like a sonoff p dongle (zha or z2m) or skyconnect (zha only) would be a good choice

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i personally use a sonoff p dongle and z2m but that doesnt mean it's recommended by the community per-se (z2m vs zha)

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ultimately your lights will work as well with z2m as they will with zha etc

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the differences come down to the way you interact with each

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i personally think z2m's gui and button presses are superior / simpler than zha's

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and i also really like the way z2m has product pages for every device

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with that being said if you watch videos / read blogs about why you should use z2m they're usually outdated / wrong

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zha has come a LONG way in the past year and puddly and co have put a lot of work into it "just working" comparatively

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and z2m defaults are insecure and stupid and hopefully that changes with time

gilded swallow
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I'm using a mesh wifi network and I've got nodes all over. Since I'm using a RPi , I can relocate probably just as easily as using the PoE option. So maybe I'll go with that SONOFF P dongle. It's pretty cheap and has good reviews as well. Plus I can get it same day so that handles my impatience.

grim igloo
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for example zha (on a new setup) will do an energy scan with the zigbee coordinator and choose the best channel. z2m will not.

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zha also uses randomized network_key, pan_id, and extended_pan_id which makes sense.. z2m uses the same across all new installs (github issue hopefully resolved soon to change this behavior)

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so it's not a simple "use z2m"

grim igloo
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you also want to add a shielded usb extender to your dongle not directly connected

gilded swallow
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It's not, it's wired via ethernet. I meant if I need to relocate it, I can just plug it into one of my mesh AP's.

heady phoenix
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@grim igloo so i've got a few things on z2m network now, you said an automation was as simple as a button click? is that with a blueprint?

grim igloo
grim igloo
heady phoenix
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@grim igloo i have an aqara button, which i'd like to use to toggle a sonoff outlet on/off

grim igloo
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i was pointing out the difference between zha events and z2m button presses iirc

grim igloo
gilded swallow
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Right. Handling button presses in ZHA is kind of weird because you have to monitor for events. But I assume you were saying that Z2M is a bit cleaner? For me that's not an issue because I have only 1 or 2 buttons.

grim igloo
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for example: i use an aqara door/window sensor to turn a light on in a coat closet. this is the entity i use to automate with it: ```yaml
binary_sensor.coat_closet_sensor_contact

gilded swallow
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Does Z2M offer better binding? So that you don't even need an automation (in that example)

heady phoenix
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@grim igloo actually nevermind, it just "works"

grim igloo
grim igloo
grim igloo
heady phoenix
# grim igloo cool huh

yeah. i ended up using a blueprint because the button didn't have anything exposed for "button click" that i could see, but maybe i should be "calling service"

grim igloo
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yea

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i dont have any aqara buttons so not really familiar

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you can download mqtt explorer to see what it's doing but i think now you can basically just see the same thing in hass in the device's page

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pretty straightforward

gilded swallow
grim igloo
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i dont have any personal experience with zha using binding so cant give my opinion sorry

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or z2m for that matter, the stuff i want to bind i cant

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(window sensor to a bulb for a coat closet)

gilded swallow
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That's the same problem I'm finding. I try to set up binding on a contact sensor, and it doesn't list anything for me to bind it to.

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Or vice versa

grim igloo
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the devices have to support it

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if you use shitty shit like sonoff end devices or random tuya zigbee shit the chances are high they arent gonna do what you want or expect

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it's just a limitation of chinese shitty shit man

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dont quote me on this but iirc both sides have to support the same cluster

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maybe i mean endpoint? idk i've asked here before

gilded swallow
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Most of the stuff I have is either smartthings brand (which is usually centralite) or actual centralite brand. All of my bulbs are osram and half of my plugs are sengled.

I've never ordered any of that cheap stuff off ali or anything.

grim igloo
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I consider smart things junk lol

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Samsung proprietary cloud shit goes brrrr

gilded swallow
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Yeah, I never said it wasn't, but I've actually been very happy with all of it. It's been my most reliable stuff so far.

grim igloo
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Cool

gilded swallow
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Well, I left smartthings when they went cloud. V2 was mostly local.

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I've been using a 6in USB extended up till now, but because of this convo I just moved my coordinator to a 6ft extender (still 3.0 though) and taped it to the wall lol, and I moved it to a USB 2.0 port. We'll see if that helps with the issues I've been having.

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New question.....Does the RSSI indicate a devices signal strength to the entire mesh network? (aka, the nearest repeater). Or does it represent the signal strength to the coordinator?

grim igloo
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Next hop

gilded swallow
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Hmm. That's weird. For some reason while monitoring the RSSI across the board, the devices with the lowest RSSI are also the ones physically furthest from the coordinator, even though I have router/mains devices all over the place.

grim igloo
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Next hop is LQI for non efr32 chipsets not using zha iirc. I’m not sure about rssi actually

gilded swallow
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A quick google search and a quick question to "it that shall not be named but ends with gpt", confirms that it is device -> next hop signal strength.

grim igloo
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Doesn’t mean that’s right

gilded swallow
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I'm aware lol

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But that's why I google first to find actual reliable info

grim igloo
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If 10 people on Reddit said that and it trained on Reddit then that might be the answer it gives

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Guys like puddly or dmulcahey or julien here can give definitive answers

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The rest of us just hope to regurgitate similar stuff

gilded swallow
grim igloo
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Not accurate

gilded swallow
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So then the answer is "it depends"

grim igloo
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It always is

rapid flume
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My Hue bulbs "snap" when changing brightness or color in the UI, can I make them transition gradually when changing manually like this?

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I just figured it out, there's a default timeout in the ZHA config that's defaults to 0

lunar furnace
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Longtime Zwave user, first time Zigbee user. Bought a Skyconnect and a few Sonoff buttons. It worked for about 24 hours and stopped. I have attempted deleting the devices, re-pairing, deleting the Zigbee implemention, etc. but no matter what I try, I cannot get Skyconnect to find any devices anymore. Suggestions?

grim igloo
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mesh protocols need a mesh to work effectively yo

rare robin
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how come in the automation triggers for the inovelli switch I only see single up and single down actions

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shouldn't there be double tap and tripple tap?

gilded swallow
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(Integration: ZHA; Coordinator: HUSBZB-1) I've googled around a bit and between the forums, reddit, etc, I'm finding conflicting answers. Is there any way to "reset" or "heal" a zigbee mesh network? Or is it even necessary?

I moved into a new house about 6 months ago, so everything is now physically in a different location. I would assume that the zigbee mesh network self heals....aka, if a previously known link appears unhealthy, or non-existent for a period of time, that link gets dropped in some way.

I've been staring at the network visualization, and I'm still seeing things linked together that would only make sense in the old house. For example, battery devices linked to routers that used to be very close in proximity, but are now very far away.

I've tried shutting off my HA host for a few hours as I read (in some forum post I can no longer find) that this somehow triggers the zigbee network to re-figure-itself-out.

Is this something worth continuing to worry about?

hushed hamlet
# grim igloo I consider smart things junk lol

I'd love if people here put out some brand tier list. So much of the time you look for info and you just find out if it's supported or not, but people have opinions about how some options are better than others.

unborn orbit
rare robin
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Oh good idea. I will thanks.

gilded swallow
grim igloo
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That’s like saying a ford pinto had a nice bumper. Does it mean the bumper was shit? No.. maybe it was nice. But the car was a piece of shit

gilded swallow
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So what about them makes them junk if they are meeting every expectation you have in regard to a contact, motion or temperature sensor?

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I don't really understand the pinto metaphor because I'm not saying they have a single good attribute while everything else is crap. I'm saying they've met every expectation for me in reliability, battery life and build quality.

grim igloo
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My opinions are based on me being way too active here and on Reddit over the past few years including my own experiences. I can definitely say I have not seen enough people using these devices to give a positive suggestion for them. Further, at best the brand itself is sullied with cloud and other negative connotations. Do they make some good devices that I’ve heard of as one offs over the past few years? Yes, at least a few times. Can I suggest them to people over devices without that negative branding that do exactly what people want for a good price? Yes, so I see no reason to start suggesting things for a platform dedicated to cloud connectivity

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I quite liked my analogy to the shitty car ford made

gilded swallow
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So your opinion of their ZigBee devices is based on what other people have said online and not personal experience?

I'm also not sure what the cloud has to do with ZigBee devices. Especially since most of Samsungs ZigBee devices are rebranded Centralite devices.

grim igloo
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I made a typo but don’t feel like rewording it

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My opinion is of the brand and therefore the devices regardless of if some might meet minimum expectations or more

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Their zwave controller radiation pattern seems better than most others

grim igloo
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when searching for firmware updates it seems they are only offered via their proprietary hub

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when talking to ex-smartthings users they never say "man i love my smart things light switch" etc, they say man i sure love getting off smart things

astral seal
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if you already have the devices why not use them, but I don't think anyone is going out of their way to buy the smartthings devices to use with HA or anything.

grim igloo
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Right

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Well why not use them is actually a good question

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For zigbee and zwave meshes one rogue device can fuck it all up

gilded swallow
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I never said to go out and buy it. Just said I liked them and they said it was junk. So I was curious why.

grim igloo
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We have a definitive list of what does or doesn’t cause issues on both zigbee and zwave meshes like certain sonoff devices blackholing routes

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Or tuya routers sucking real gud

gilded swallow
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I was happy leaving SmartThings, I left because they moved their focus away from local control and focus completely on cloud now. The V2 hub had a much bigger focus on local control, unless you ran a custom integration or a custom device handler.

I have both v1 and v2 for their multi sensors, about half a dozen of each. All of them work great. I have 1 of their temp sensors, it works well, except ZHA doesn't support the humidity on it. I have v1 and v2 of their motion sensors and those all work great. And I have multiple of v1 and v2 of their smart outlets which also all work great.

And I wouldn't say their hub was completely proprietary. There was a ton of open source community driven apps, integrations and device handlers.

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(at the time. Those open source things have mostly been shut down now because of the v3 hub and focus on cloud)

grim igloo
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Bummer

gilded swallow
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There was a community app called WebCoRE, it was by far the best automation engine and interface I have used on any platform to date. Light-years ahead of HA (IMO). Though I haven't used node red yet.

grim igloo
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I’m a big fan of hue for zigbee and zooz for zwave (mostly for how solid their hardware is, how frequent firmware updates are, and customer service.)

grim igloo
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I don’t feel constricted with hass automations except in a few advanced scenarios

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And that’s due to me not having a coding mindset or jinja experience

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Not due to lack of the things being technically possible

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A year ago hass automations felt much less user friendly

gilded swallow
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I think both HA and WebCoRE have the same technical functionality, I just think that HA is not as intuitive to use.

grim igloo
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Nodered I’m actually not a fan of. It’s a hammer that turns everything into a nail

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It also is highly dependent on creating your own for loops etc to do basic things built into hass automations automatically

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It’s powerful if you prefer that coding style approach though

median moth
solid inlet
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So I have a luny HUE motion sensor... Everytime I reset/add it (fresh batteries) it signals motion detected, and never clears. Occupancy seems to work though, but am afraid battery will drain fast if sending motion detected all the time... Thoughts? Is there a reset other than the 10s pin-holding?

heady phoenix
violet dagger
fossil gust
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So, I'm new to zigbee - I've been using Insteon with Homeassistant and it works great, but of course it is gone now (don't use the cloud service, so it still works fine). I need a smart plug for an appliance and it seems like zigbee is the way to do this now. I just ordered a Skyconnect, but before I order a plug are there any "gotchas" I need to be aware of on the device side? This one should be in range of the Skyconnect without any bridging/etc. One of the reasons I went with Insteon was that it was fairly gotcha-free (at the cost of being expensive).

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(ie, if I buy any random plug on Amazon that says it supports zigbee, is it likely to work)

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I actually have a Wyze plug that I'm not using, but those seem problematic and the HACS integration appears broken at the moment - at least for new integrations.

median moth
heady kayak
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make sure when you plug in the sky connect, you use a usb extension (it comes with one). USB3 ports can mess with them.

grim igloo
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As you know, zigbee is a low bandwidth mesh protocol (we’re talking kbps throughput) and you might consider using Wi-Fi plugs instead if you are looking for energy monitoring plugs. There are options that are local only with very good home assistant integration running open source firmware.

astral seal
grim igloo
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Some are specifically for outdoor use but still humidity is gonna take it’s toll I’m sure

median moth
grim igloo
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That’s how all zigbee devices should work

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Most of use have some cheap aqara sensors

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I use one in my mailbox and some for doors

median moth
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Ahh, thanks! One last Q - What is a good Zigbee hub? I use Vera ATM but trying to get something less 'control' based since I want HA to handle all rules. Just a generic Zigbee USB?

grim igloo
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We don’t use hubs we use coordinators

median moth
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Hmmm dunno that term, will look it up.

grim igloo
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Which one depends on how you want to control them

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If you look up zha vs z2m and settle on one that helps narrow it down

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Otherwise check the pins here or if you want to buy one coordinator that could use either zha or z2m buy one of the cc2652 ones

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Possibly a PoE one if you want to place it centrally located

heady kayak
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look at the pinned messages

median moth
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Thanks for details! Will read up on it; base feeling I am getting is z2m on my 2 minute read-up.

grim igloo
heady kayak
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z2m is a wee bit more complex than zha. But has some benefits. swings and roundabouts. I use zha.

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(and deconz)

grim igloo
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In my experience the user interface is more intuitive not less

median moth
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ZHA seems cool with it being closer to native. I don't mind MQTT, I actually like the subpub model.

I will say I like the CC2652 you linked because it seems to do both? Is there a downside to that, though?

grim igloo
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It’s not about doing both

heady kayak
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pick one. use it 😄

unborn orbit
grim igloo
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It’s zha supporting either chipset vs z2m only having experimental beta support for efr32 coordinators

median moth
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Ah, so more just flexibility than adaptability. Still not a bad thing.

grim igloo
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Oh nvm no

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Ask for help with a specific product

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Or suggestions

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Like if you need a smart bulb I’m gonna say hue is hands down the best, same with their motion sensors

unborn orbit
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It's actually a great idea if we had a compiled list. I've found a bunch of devices acting as black holes that i'v ehad to swap out and cost me a ton of money

grim igloo
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If you say light switch (in the us) I’m gonna say inovelli blue

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Etc

unborn orbit
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yea, i agree. things i wish i had known especially you get what you pay for with a lot of zigbee devices.

grim igloo
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It’s the same with zwave and Wi-Fi too

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And matter and thread will probably be worse

heady kayak
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Ikea's bulbs tend to be pretty good. (I have had a coupld of gu10 ones go a little iffy on me. flashing at full power. knock them down to 80% and they're fine. That's out of around 25)

grim igloo
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We’re at the mercy of manufacturers to give us firmware that doesn’t suck

median moth
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I think I'm interested in the CC2652, but given the space I need to cover I am concerned about it.

I have sensors spread around 1/4 acre, and some inside of a metallic workshop. Think it'd be fine, or can I run 2?

grim igloo
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That ain’t happening

unborn orbit
grim igloo
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Mains Powered devices create a mesh repeating for other devices and end devices like battery sensors but you can’t bridge a long gap

unborn orbit
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and i still haven't even isolated which routers are causing the issue

grim igloo
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Sucks

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Idk enough about that to help I have not chosen poorly with my hardware lol

heady kayak
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I don't know if it's supported, but is it possible to run two different z2m controllers at the same time? I'm guessing it's probably not been coded for.

grim igloo
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Even if they are needing bug fixes inovelli are actively working with zha / z2m guys on GitHub and forum to diagnose and provide new firmware

heady kayak
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(one option would be to run one of z2m or zha in one place, and have a remote controller doing the other with a wired ethernet connection. z2m and zha can coexist, just not on the same stick.)

grim igloo
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He could manually add another repo that has it I guess

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Or spin up multiple containers if not using haos

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But like.. he shouldn’t do this

heady kayak
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or have z2m running on a remote pi?

grim igloo
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I’m actually not positive if you can integrate multiple z2m instances in hass. I think you can but I’d have to look at docs

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I know you can with zwave-js-ui

median moth
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I'm not using HAOS; I can likely re-arrange and move my Zigbee sensors closer to the CC. Right now I just have a Vera + extender so full coverage. But like I said, wanting to leave it.

grim igloo
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Above you made it sound like you were trying to bridge some large physical gap

median moth
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Don't wanna do some weird unsupported method.

grim igloo
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If that’s not the case then you’re fine

heady kayak
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avoiding "weird unsupported methods" is generally a good idea 😉

median moth
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I do have a space of about 1/4 acre I use sensors on. But can re-arrange the ZWave and Zigbee ones to move the Zigbee closer to this new device if the large gap is a concern. Can always try and see, as well.

grim igloo
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The issue is the space between repeaters not the overall area

median moth
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Don't sensors act as repeaters?

heady kayak
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not battery ones

grim igloo
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Nothing battery powered does

median moth
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Interesting, I always assumed they did.

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But it makes sense they don't.

grim igloo
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It do

heady kayak
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battery powered devices spend most of their time in a low power mode.

median moth
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So the concern diminishes if I can swap some of my battery sensors with powered. Can't say I've looked into that much, but might not be hard to introduce a couple.

unborn orbit
grim igloo
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Bulbs, light switches, smart plugs are the common used repeaters with a handful of exceptions like the sengled pieces of shit

unborn orbit
heady kayak
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depending on your layout, sprinkling in a few repeaters like smart plugs can work.

median moth
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Ahhh, damn I didn't even think about that. My mind went right to sensors. I can easily find some plug/bulb spots.

grim igloo
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I’d suggest Wi-Fi smart plugs with energy monitoring like I said above

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Don’t buy plugs just to sit in an outlet for repeating unless that’s your only option

median moth
grim igloo
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I see

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As you know, zigbee is a low bandwidth mesh protocol (we’re talking kbps throughput) and you might consider using Wi-Fi plugs instead if you are looking for energy monitoring plugs. There are options that are local only with very good home assistant integration running open source firmware.

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This is even more of a concern with zwave mesh due to even lower throughput

median moth
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Quite a lot of Sonoff ones for pretty cheap, so that'll be easy. Will look into custom firmware benefits, or just might do one for funzies.

grim igloo
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I posted a bunch of info in hardware yesterday

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Including pictures of how they integrate

median moth
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Oh nice, I'll go find it.

grim igloo
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I tried.. we got off track a bit it’s kinda up some

median moth
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I think I see the back-n-fourth. Awesome, I'll pin it to read.

grim igloo
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Start there and skip random stuff

median moth
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Out of curiousity, you say smart plugs kind of* don't exist - What does smart plug mean to you? (TO me it just means basic on/off state control/monitoring)

grim igloo
grim igloo
median moth
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Ohhhh, fair, fair.

grim igloo
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There are some Chinese designed and manufactured ones for eu I think but not us but I wouldn’t touch these

median moth
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Yea, important distinction. I read outlet and just accept I mean plug.

grim igloo
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Yep

median moth
grim igloo
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Fun

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Use zwave js ui not zwave js

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TLDR it’s the same thing it just includes an additional ui which is necessary for troubleshooting and advanced config

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But switching later is a bitch compared to just starting with it

median moth
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Okay, good to know - That's what I have on my list to research.

Cataloged all my rooms/devices yesterday, put up a bunch of Amazon/misc website carts.

Right now researching this and also what networking setup to towards.

Skimmed FloorPlanner but that seems like it's going to be a lot of work so delaying that piece. (Def want to do it though)

heady kayak
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(I was about to ask what the difference was 😄 While I have a zwave stick, I don't actually have any devices yet. )

grim igloo
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But that’s above my pay grade (zero)

grim igloo
median moth
violet dagger
fossil gust
grim igloo
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Zigbee plugs are fine. I just consider Wi-Fi a better option when wanting multiple with energy monitoring

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Plus when using esphome ones you get full control and firmware updates which is nice

fossil gust
grim igloo
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There really are

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Just not random junk like tp link cloud stuff

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Read up I just had this discussion with someone else

fossil gust
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Never heard of ESPHome.

grim igloo
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It be like that

fossil gust
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(Which isn't saying much...)

grim igloo
heady phoenix
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Anyone have an mqtt tool for iOS they can recommend?

gilded swallow
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Are there any plugins, 3rd party tools, integrations, etc that will overlay the zigbee network over an image and retain locations as you move them? It seems like it could potentially be useful to overlay the zigbee network over a floor plan so you can see where you would benefit from adding a router device.

I already built a makeshift version of it by editing the CSS of the visualization page and setting the background to my floorplan image and it was nice being able to see it laid out like that. But unfortunately it doesn't retain the locations for that to be a long term solution.

sand spire
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Hi all, ive got a Chinese Tuya zigbee motion sensor but cant seem to pair it. Theres no pairing button just an on off switch

sour shadow
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Did it not include instructions for pairing?

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And if not, you need to share the model details for anybody to have a hope in hell of helping you

sand spire
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No instructions

grim igloo
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tinkerer can you update the pins in this channel? specifically the first two (oldest) seem to be outdated / duplicates of newer pins

sand spire
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No model details on it. EBay special, it’s shaped like a kinder egg but white

grim igloo
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bruh..

sour shadow
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Well... if you can't provide any useful information on it... it's gonna be impossible for people to help you

sand spire
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Ok

grim igloo
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he can look at the z2m products page and hope he can match it up

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i guess lol

sour shadow
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Or check it for stickers

wheat egret
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Hi all! I‘m a big HA fan and I use zha since it was a suitable replacement for z2m. Never had any issues with unsupported devices yet. Unfortunately there is no support for a ptvo uart devices in zha so I tried to create a quirk myself. Well I‘m miserably failing. I‘m at the point where my cc2530 with ptvo is recognized and my quirk is applied to it. But I do not see any of the log statements I added to the quirk. I guess I did not fully get the concept yet. I read everything google provides for custom quirks in zha and especially considering ptvo. Also tried from scratch with my established knowledge. But no luck. I just don’t get how a zigpy.zcl Attribute Report (that as per debug logging contains my uart test string) would map to a CustomCluster so my quirk can process it and translate it into something HA understands. Any advice or suggestions on where to read on, to get an understanding on how to translate stuff I see in the logs into quirk logic?

wheat egret
grim igloo
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@foggy copper check the pins in this channel there is a link to recommended coordinators

rapid dawnBOT
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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

grim igloo
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Instead of a usb one you might prefer a PoE one that can be placed more centrally located

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Or click the bot links there

foggy copper
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zigbee has only 12meters range ?

grim igloo
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It’s low bandwidth mesh

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You have repeaters mains powered to extend signal

foggy copper
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Repeaters are special devices or any nodes are repeaters ?

grim igloo
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in general mains powered are repeaters but there are a few exceptions

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basically just dont buy sengled bulbs

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and also aqara fp1 are not repeaters but those are still okay to buy.. altho maybe it's worth it to buy the wifi fp2 models instead (future you thing)

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some devices suck at being repeaters as well and blackhole routes

foggy copper
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That a lot for all those infos i will dig in

primal spire
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is there any good zigbee infrared remote transmitter?

astral terrace
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@grim igloo ok I have to bite, why not Sengled bulbs? (sorry for delay),

grim igloo
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firstly, how dare you (kidding)

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second, cuz 1. they dont abide by zigbee spec and do not repeat and consider themselves "end devices"

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  1. they are not good at transitions and flicker compared to like.. hue bulbs perfectly transitioning from color temp or brightness or w/e
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  1. 1 and 2 - jk, because the colors are apparently not great
astral terrace
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I knew they didn't repeat, I have quite a few but use them for simple off/on no RGB color change

grim igloo
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most people expect / want their bulbs to be repeaters for a stronger mesh

astral terrace
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I have enough plugs in my house

grim igloo
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i see no reason to buy sengled over ikea bulbs if you are trying to save money

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otherwise you buy hue because you want the best

astral terrace
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Makes sense

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I don't feel so bad about the bulbs I getting tomorrow, Ikea doesn't have any in stock with the size I'm getting, but in the future I will definitely look there first for bulb, have one 5 miles away

heady kayak
astral terrace
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My konke motion sensors have the same hole, I always reset them first and then press it again to get it to pair

heady kayak
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and I'm not seeing a way to make it pair. but if it has a button, try a press and hold.

deep zinc
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Anyone use tuya/moes am43 shade motors? The service call cover.stop_motor (or similar, don't remember the exact name) stops the motor but throws an error so the device still thinks it's opening or closing

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I haven't set upper and lower limits on it but it seems to have stall detection and does stop by itself. But I don't get a notification so it doesn't know it's stopped.

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(I had an older one that died that didn't automatically stop)

twin cargo
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Hi Everyone:
I have a very weird issue. I have a setup of about 92 Zigbee devices connected to HomeAssistant via ZHA. I use Tube's ZB coordinator. Everything was working great until a few days ago when in the middle of the night light started turning on randomly. Now this issue started happening every few hours.

The odd part is I have no automations setup or anything like that that could turn on the lights that are turning on, because all of the ones that are turning on are configured to be part of a group so they can never turn on in HA without the group trigger

I tried to find anything I could think of but Im really out of ideas. did anyone ever experience a similar issue?

tulip patrol
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@twin cargo You might have power issues. If a light that was off becomes unpowered, what's the behaviour?

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then becomes powered..

twin cargo
# tulip patrol then becomes powered..

I thought about that already but its highly unlikely. Its true that when the light looses power it turns on, however it will turn on att 100% power which in this case this does not happen, and since I have 30-ish lights (and about 10 of them have manifested the issue) its veeeeery unlikely that there would be power issues since they are on different circuits with different power supplies

tulip patrol
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that makes sense, and sorry I didn't note that you started a thread

dreamy vault
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hi, im looking at a zigbee/thread dongle for my server (running home assistant in docker rn) and i've seen the sonoff plus e dongle, only thing im thinking of is the lack of thread support without custom firmware, although i doubt that zigbee2mqtt could handle thread so is it worth just getting that one?

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(moved from hardware channel)

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ik about the same chipset as the skyconnect being in the plus e variant but different formfactors require firmware designed for the board

grim igloo
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They’re popular due to central location placement being much easier and removing the usb interference issues doesn’t hurt

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And easier to configure with docker setups with no usb passthru which is an issue for some hypervisors / users

dreamy vault
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issue with that one is cost + not on amazon (voucher)

grim igloo
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I see

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Well @ tube here provides good customer service

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It’s just a Canadian guy with a dream not a giant business

dreamy vault
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hmm?

grim igloo
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?

dreamy vault
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confused by both of the last 2 messages

grim igloo
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Also you said z2m above which shouldn’t be used with this chipset

grim igloo
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His name is in the products so most people just catch on to that lol

dreamy vault
dreamy vault
grim igloo
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Bad time to get advice then lol

sour shadow
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You're confusing integration with add-on

rapid dawnBOT
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#integrations-archived integrate Home Assistant with devices or services, or provide functionality within Home Assistant.

#add-ons-archived provide additional software or services, which an integration could possibility integrate with. Add-ons are for Home Assistant OS and Supervised only, other install methods can install software other ways.

dreamy vault
grim igloo
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I understand the confusion because it does what other addons do in that sense

dreamy vault
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if i remember correctly, zha has less configuration options on some devices?

grim igloo
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It’s really both a built in addon and an integration in one

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Z2m is preferred by a lot of us for its ui and other differences

dreamy vault
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another stupid question, iirc you can group devices together such as a light switch to a light so if the hub goes down they can still work?

grim igloo
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That’s a zigbee protocol feature called binding

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Works on both

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Assuming the devices support what you want

dreamy vault
grim igloo
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It’s in the z2m docs

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There’s experimental beta support for that chipset not stable

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And it’s been that way for a long time

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Tube makes a cc2652p PoE coordinator that works on either for zigbee

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That’s what I would personally buy

dreamy vault
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update, the plus p version is the only one that works with both zha and z2m on uk amazon

half cradle
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I am experiencing similar...

solid inlet
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My new Aquara P1 motion sensor is not saving values I set on the device page...? I set High on sensitivity and Led trigger detection, but when reloading device page, sensitivity is still medium and Led trigger is off... Did the paring not go as perfect as it seemed perhaps?

sour shadow
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Did you wake it before changing the settings?

solid inlet
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Not sure... I suppose no. I find loads of exceptions in then log, but could surely not being from it being sleepy?

sour shadow
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End devices are normally in deep sleep

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Attempting to change the settings while in deep sleep isn't ever going to work

solid inlet
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Oh. Not normally changing these kind of settings. I'll find out how to wake it then and retry, thanks 🙂

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Can I see if it consider itself to be awake, or just by trial'n error?

sour shadow
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99% of the time you give the pairing button a short press

solid inlet
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Great, will give it a go

astral seal
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Yeah you just short press the button on the back of the device. I think it should also fire an event that shows in your log when you do that.

solid inlet
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Oh, cool 🙂 I like it a lot, much smaller than anticipated

astral seal
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Ok no it doesn't but the light on the front of the device will flash

solid inlet
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Well, I managed to change the Led Trigger, but sensitivity and detection time will still not stick...

solid inlet
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I now see this2023-07-09 21:34:16.342 WARNING (MainThread) [zigpy.application] Unknown device AddrModeAddress(addr_mode=<AddrMode.NWK: 2>, address=0x4F9E)
I have checked the map, anc cannot find anything with NWK=4F9E... How can I find out where this is coming from please?

solid inlet
foggy copper
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Is Skyconnect a good pick to hook aquara temp/humidity sensors ?

sour shadow
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If you're planning on using ZHA, yes

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You'll also need some (Zigbee, obviously) routers

foggy copper
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Like bulbs or smart plugs ? any brand will work ? phillips hue too ?

sour shadow
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Yes, other than Sengled

solid inlet
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So what is triggering the warning... :S

foggy copper
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Ok and it will require no flashing ?

sour shadow
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You want to flash the latest firmware to the stick

foggy copper
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ok 👍

sour shadow
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As a rule of thumb you want the latest firmware on the coordinator, and to be cautious about firmware updating devices

foggy copper
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ok

uncut quartz
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I've got an ikea tradfri 5 button remote that doesn't seem to stay connected to zigbee. I can re-pair it and it shows up with "Initialization complete - the device is ready to use"

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Including remembering the device name (but not area)

fast sentinel
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hello, quick question about ZPDongle-E firmware. i see this site being mentioned a few times in the forums, is this a firmware version you recommend for ZHA? https://dialedin.com.au/blog/sonoff-zbdongle-e-rcp-firmware. or is there a general consensus on best behavingfirmware version for this dongle?

uncut quartz
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But nothing further happens after that (that I'm able to see, at least).

lean stone
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Is anyone else have issues with the ZHA Toolkit binds_get service? Since updating to HA 2023.7 I get an error "TypeError: ZDO.request() got an unexpected keyword argument 'tries'" even if I remove the tries option from my service request.

gleaming jay
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Is it normal for my Ikea blinds to be 'checking in' once a second? I'm seeing it when listening on zha_event. I think I'm having network traffic issues so this may be causing it?

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I've determined that checkin_interval is 4, and that value is measured in quarter seconds, so once every second. Is that reasonable for a blind/cover?

molten linden
vernal lotus
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I can't find anything on google, but ever since I ran updates a few weeks ago, my ikea blinds think close means open and vice versa. It's mass hysteria over here. Blinds are closing when I wake up and opening when I go to sleep. My dog is very confused.

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Anyone else seen this?

gleaming jay
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How did you update them?

lean stone
void sandal
# uncut quartz I've got an ikea tradfri 5 button remote that doesn't seem to stay connected to ...

Have you figured it out? I got two shortcut buttons myself and when pairing them I found it a bit tricky after some research I found that after I have added them they need to be reconfigured. I tried reconfigure several times when simultaneously pressing the identify button and pressing down the button itself, and after a few "reconfigurations" It suddenly worked. Repeated that for the second button and it worked on that as well.

frigid dune
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Hi, I'm just managed to add my Aqara D1 wall switch (no neutral) to homeassistant. However, I'm curious that why the number of switches in homeassistant doesn't reflect the same as the number of dockers.

E.g.

  1. 2 Rocker switch, but homeassistant showing 4 controllable switches.
  2. 1 Rocker switch but homeassistant showing 3 controllable switches.

I tried doing some search online but doesn't seem like anyone raised this before. It would be helpful if anyone can share if this is expected or not.

sand spire
heady kayak
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normal methods for putting things in pairing mode is holding buttons. or flicking them off and on repeatedly

sour shadow
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I've seen a few devices that hide their pair button under the battery cover

dreamy vault
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woohoo, got z2m setup in literally seconds after plugging it into my server

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and it is sooo much more responsive than going through the hue bridge

astral seal
frigid dune
digital shale
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Got a Tuya ZY-M100 working with ZHA but when I try to change cluster attributes to lower the fade time, the value resets when the sensor is activated. Anyone figured out how to get it to stick or have an idea of what I could try beside just writing a new value?

astral seal
lean stone
astral seal
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I'm really surprised that that no-neutral switch supports decoupling the switch from the relay, most of the no-neutral switches I've seen don't do that.

weak totem
#

so i just setup a sonoff dongle plus, got it detected and it shows configure, i click it and it asks to setup a network formation(choose the network settings for your radio, got 2 options upload a manual backup or create a new network. when create a new networrk it spins for a while and then just says error

sour shadow
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Check the log file

weak totem
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apparently it says not to use a usb 3.0, theres too much interference hmm

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and a lot of red text

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that was it

sour shadow
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Well, yes, the dongle should be on a USB extension cable

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But the file has no coloured text

weak totem
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tinker, the red text i was referring to was bunch of errors i was getting because of the interference i guess

sour shadow
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The log file has no colours

weak totem
#

it does in portainer

rapid dawnBOT
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If you're having problems with your updates to your configuration:

sour shadow
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Epic

weak totem
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ya portainer is pretty nice to manage graphically a bunch of stuff, you got it all in a nice layout, i was using cli and some compose but this is just more convenient

sour shadow
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And it's also well known for fucking you over

weak totem
#

you got some zigbee devices? @sour shadow

sour shadow
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About a hundred

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More if you count the ones in the drawer

weak totem
#

so i got this zigbee lightbulb, whene i first added it, it had this really cool interface showing all the range of colors etc, i closed it (this was right after discovery) i see my devices and i see the lightbulb but i dont see that interface anymore with all the colors.. sure i got a couple bars that i can adjust the colors but not that screen, do u know what i mean? how do i get that ui back?

sour shadow
weak totem
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should we move the convo to there? 🙂

sour shadow
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If you need help with the UI that's the place to go

weak totem
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oh i just figured it out

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i had to actually click the little lightbulb itself under controls, i thought it was just a static image, and only the on off switch did something

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anyways thanks for your help

limber merlin
#

Hey I might be a little dough but can you explain me if a zigbee cordinator would help me to gain acces to all my zigbee devices and how it works?ç

sour shadow
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Yes

rapid dawnBOT
#

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options including the CC2652 based sticks. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

sour shadow
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You would pick from ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT, and then pick a supported coordinator

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Then you can connect all your Zigbee devices to those

limber merlin
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and how do I connect all the devices to this?

sour shadow
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By putting ZHA or Z2M into pairing mode, and then doing the same wth the device

limber merlin
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ok thanks really apreciate ur help

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and if I did this could I still control all the devices via the Smart Home app?

sour shadow
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No

grim igloo
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the home assistant "smart home app" tho...

sour shadow
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You get to pick - do you want local control, or do you want to depend on the cloud

grim igloo
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chinese cloud* lol

limber merlin
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what u mean if I chose to control them on the cloud I can not control them locally and reverse? so if there is no internet I can not control them?

grim igloo
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if you instead pair them to a zigbee coordinator you can use home assistant app and fully local control

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you have no need to use tuya's shitty app with home assistant and local control

sour shadow
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You said you wanted to be able to control stuff when the Internet is down

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Then you say you want to use their cloud service

limber merlin
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I want both

sour shadow
limber merlin
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wait a minute

sour shadow
half cradle
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LOL

sour shadow
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Why do you want to use their app?

half cradle
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Magic Home does that. I can use their horrible app, or locally

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you don't want that

limber merlin
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I want to control it via internet, however where I live sometimes the internet goes so I want to can control it localy, that's why I want to also control it locally

sour shadow
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HA replaces all your shitty apps

limber merlin
sour shadow
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Home Assistant

limber merlin
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ok

sour shadow
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The whole point if HA (Home Assistant) is to be your single place to control everything

half cradle
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Question, more or less since a power outage. my zigbee network hasn't been great. turning on debug logs. it keeps going and updating device availability. It has been doing that for a few days.... or more.... will it just keep doing that forever and I just noticed? IS there anyway to say "Hey Zigbee network, optimize yourself and start over".

limber merlin
sour shadow
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Yes

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Just set up remote access to your HA

half cradle
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@sour shadow that was to me or ?

sour shadow
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No

half cradle
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k

grim igloo
half cradle
limber merlin
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ok, so what do I have to do is install the HA to my pi4 and then I have to buy a zigbee coordinator right?

sour shadow
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Yes

rapid dawnBOT
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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

grim igloo
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however i think devices themselves keep routing tables and good ones update routes on their own after power loss (like hue bulbs for example) but i would have to search here and see what puddly and co have said about stuff like that to be sure

limber merlin
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ok thjanks

half cradle
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I have mostly Hue Bulbs and Inovelli Switches

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I could send me logs, it doesn't "Seem" normal

grim igloo
sour shadow
# limber merlin ok thjanks

I have about 100 Zigbee devices, from many brands, on my setup. I have full remote access to my HA, so I can control stuff from anywhere on the planet

half cradle
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@grim igloo actually, I think my inovelli was trying to do an OTA and it was failing,

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since then large improvement

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(stopping the ota)

grim igloo
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fun

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why was it trying to do an OTA update on its own?

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oh zha doesnt let you manually do it huh

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no gui for it at this time?

half cradle
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Beta

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i guess zha tries to update all at once, so if you have 20+ switches it gets mad at you

grim igloo
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sad

half cradle
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but thats not my issue now,

grim igloo
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z2m users go brrr

half cradle
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yea well

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that should be your gif for every zha user

grim igloo
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it's come a long way

half cradle
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yea, i started zigbee this year

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2 years ago i cant see going zha

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those are a little tidbit of recent logs, if anyone can tell me if its normal, or im crazy, or whatever. lol

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I don't have that many devices. I mean I swear it keeps "not updating" their availability.

limber merlin
violet dagger
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"all" depends on which devices and which integration. but in general yes

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control over internet only if you set it up or get a nabu casa subscription

limber merlin
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if I do not pay the nabu casa, I can not control my devices if I am not connected to the local network¿

half cradle
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or you set up your own reverse proxy, etc

carmine hamlet
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If you set it up or

limber merlin
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okey

heady phoenix
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esprense so far is noisy as fuck and overlaps even setting range short :/

gilded swallow
#

tl;dr - Anyone have a good temp sensor they prefer? (using ZHA).

Most of my temp sensors are the smarthings v1/v2 multi sensors. It seems the v2 multi sensor is just Aeotec, but it's $35USD, so I'm hoping to find something a bit cheaper.

I also have a centralite temp/humidity sensor...the temperature works okay, it doesn't update very often, and the humidity doesn't work with ZHA.

I recently picked up a couple Aqara temp sensors....they work......okay. They don't update as often and I ran into tons of issues getting them to pair to the nearest router device and they were constantly dropping off the network the first fiew days. But now they seem to be somewhat reliable.

So basically my options are...pay $35USD for the ones I like. Or take my chances on these Aqara ones I've been having problems with at half the price.

heady phoenix
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@gilded swallow i'm sure the advice here would be to use z2m, and also the zigbee need to mesh so are you sure there are enough router devices near the aqara temp?

violet dagger
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no chance taking with aqara

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old aqara sensors are a nuisance sometimes when they don't want to stick to the router

gilded swallow
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@heady phoenix yes, there's plenty of router devices nearby. My issues was that I originally paired them directly with the coordinator. I spent 3 days trying to get them to stop connecting to the coordinator and instead connect to one of the router devices that are actually near it. Eventually they finally stopped talking direct to the coodinator and started connecting to the router device I wanted them on. Ever since they've been pretty solid, they just don't report very often.

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@violet dagger that's the issue I was having. I even completely deleted them from HA, not just a repair. But they kept trying to connect to the coordinator directly.

violet dagger
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have you tried pairing the with "use this device" option in ZHA

gilded swallow
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Yeah, that's what I was doing for 3 days haha

violet dagger
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are you in the US?

gilded swallow
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Yes

violet dagger
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THIRDREALITY sensors are an option then

gilded swallow
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First time out of the box, I paired them like normal just going to Integrations > Add Integration > Add Zigbee device. Which paired them to the coordinator.

But then I moved them to their proper physical location after pairing, hoping they would "jump" to the right router device, but they wouldn't let go of the coordinator.

So I spent 3 days deleting / re-pairing, etc using the "use this device" method. Eventually they just started working.

half cradle
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i know this is #zigbee-archived but I bought an inkbird for my freezer, and super happy with it, really cheap

violet dagger
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inkbird and cheap?!

heady phoenix
half cradle
violet dagger
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better safe than sorry, i got a SwitchBot Indoor/Outdoor sensor in the freezer

half cradle
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when power goes out, want to know temp without opening it

gilded swallow
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I don't know about them, but most of the fridges I've ever had don't have a thermometer. They've always just had a dial 1-10.

half cradle
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yea

gilded swallow
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It wasn't until I spent a boatload on our new fridge that's smart and fancy where you can set an actual desired temp.

heady phoenix
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yeah mine would probably ask if I really meant to buy that ice cream before i put it inside, stupid smarts

half cradle
gilded swallow
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I actually want to do the same. Fridge/freezer goes out and you could be out hundreds (or more) in food.

violet dagger
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same reason as you, the power dies or the freezer dies i want to know

half cradle
violet dagger
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can't let all the steaks go bad

half cradle
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oh i mean, anything over switchbot

half cradle
violet dagger
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its cheap and i got some for review 😄

half cradle
gilded swallow
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I tried putting one of my old SmartThings multi sensors in the freezer but it killed the battery after a few hours. I guess that's why they make temp sensors with a wired sensor.

half cradle
violet dagger
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some are built to withstand that

half cradle
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i think i got the humidity one for 12 bucks or something

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dont care about how humid my freezer is

violet dagger
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yeah that value is all over the place depending on how ofter you open it

half cradle
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but was cheaper,

vernal lotus
gilded swallow
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Hmm, I don't see a ThirdReality temp sensor. Is it combined with another type of sensor?

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I see leak, contact and motion.

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I might just give the aqara another shot. They're super small so I like that, and I can live with them reporting less often.

half cradle
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do you have a ble proxy close by?

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im happy with the inkbird

gilded swallow
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No, I don't have BLE anything yet

half cradle
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one reason I like the idea, if power is out, no internet, etc i have my phone

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and bluetooth

gilded swallow
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Hmm that's true. I'll check it out. I don't mind expanding to other techs if it opens me up to new/other sensors.

grim igloo
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BLE xaiomi temp and humidity are $5 each or so

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I’ve got 4 and I’m pretty happy with them for that cost

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Quoted battery life is around 6 months I think

gilded swallow
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I would have expected better battery out of BLE

violet dagger
gilded swallow
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That's so weird, that isn't coming up when I search for it directly.

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I can see it from the link though, so it's available for me to order in my area. Just Amazon search is being weird.

half cradle
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yea, inkbird is 2 years

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the third reality looks nice though

gilded swallow
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Yeah, I'll have to add that one to my save for later list. I don't need one with a screen right now because I'm putting these sensors up in the rafters of my garage. But I might pick one up for a night stand.

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I recently started storing stuff up there, like holiday decorations and stuff. And now that summer is hitting, I just realized I could end up with some melted decorations in a few months. So I want to see how hot it gets up there.

austere patio
gilded swallow
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I've never had a problem with this in the past until I bought these Aqara sensors though so I never thought to not do this with these new ones. Not until I read all the posts/reviews about them seeing how many other people were experiencing the same issue.

grim igloo
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the P1/T1 etc or older models?

gilded swallow
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I just bought them 4 days ago

grim igloo
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i believe that would be the older zigbee 1.2 version which like you said, doesnt like to get better routes and just sticks with w/e it is paired with usually

gilded swallow
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The model number on the Amazon listing matches the Model number shown on the Aqara website for their temp/humidity sensor, so I assume it's the latest version?

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It doesn't say what version of the Zigbee protocol it is using though on either page.

grim igloo
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look up the model # on z2m website

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i thought all their new gen shit was either P1/T1/E1

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and older did not have those extra two digits

gilded swallow
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Is there a way for me to tell looking at the device signature?

austere patio
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What is the model name?

gilded swallow
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It's the one @grim igloo linked. WSDCGQ11LM.

gilded swallow
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If I want to "move" a battery device to link to a new router, for example, these Aqara sensors. Do I need to completely delete them from HA? Or can I just reset the device itself and then go through the pairing process using the "Add devices via this device" method?

half cradle
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i know i need to leave my network alone for a few days, but i am inpatient, lol

half cradle
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Cloudfree.shop donates part of their profits. I had a good experience with them for some plugs a while back.

mellow geode
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No need to delete all your settings from HA

paper gale
#

Hey !
Did anyone here have a ZigBee water leak detection to recommend? (I want to put one in the shower)
My motion sensor sometimes doesn't detect while in the shower so I end up in the dark.
The idea is to use a leak sensor, one question remain, can I let it dry by itself or should I dry it manually each shower I take ?

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(the aqara one ip67 seems good enough for this)

heady kayak
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I'd not leave it soaking. But you could maybe use a couple of extension cables from the contacts on the bottom to keep the main body away from water

paper gale
thick plover
#

Chasing an opinion. I heard today that the hue hub handles light transitions and pushing data to groups better than zigbee2mqtt - is there any truth to that?

sour shadow
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Transitions are handled by the bulbs themselves

thick plover
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So the hub is irrelevant?

sour shadow
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For transitions, yes

thick plover
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What about groups?

# 
It is advised to use Hue scenes for controlling multiple lights at once for a smooth experience. If you individually control multiple lights and/or use Home Assistant scenes, each light command will be sent to each light one by one which doesn’t give a very good user experience, while using a Hue scene sends commands to all lights at once in an optimized way, resulting in a smooth experience.
uncut sorrel
#

I'm thinking of migrating from ZHA to zigbee2mqtt to see if it would resolve the issues I have with devices dropping to Unavailable state.

Is there a way to do this so that the devices & entities would keep the same IDs? Is there a way to export the device and entity names of ZHA devices as text format?

sour shadow
sour shadow
uncut sorrel
sour shadow
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ZHA has no say in devices dropping off the mesh

uncut sorrel
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What are the conditions for a zha device to come back from unavailable? Does ZHA control it or is it done by the coordinator SW? Is there a state diagram available somewhere?

sour shadow
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It is 100% in the hands of the devices

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They stop reporting/responding, they're unavailable

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They start again, they're available

#

All that ZHA or Z2M can do is "ping" router devices. It can't do anything with end devices.

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If your end devices are dropping off then you have a problem with those devices, with the routers they're connected to, or your RF environment

uncut sorrel
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In my case the dropping devices are all end devices, some of them are mains powered

sour shadow
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Have you checked for WiFi interference?

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Have you got your coordinator on a USB extension cable?

uncut sorrel
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I haven't checked the channels no

sour shadow
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You should, that's kinda step number zero

uncut sorrel
sour shadow
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Unless you live out in the sticks, and have locked your WiF channels, a lot can change in a year

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Hell, a lot can change in a week

uncut sorrel
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That's true

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And sorry for the pings

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Is there a way to debug the network, to see where the messages might get lost

sour shadow
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You also need to check that you don't have known badly behaved routers

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Older Osram, some Sonoff, etc

sour shadow
uncut sorrel
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That would be an interesting project

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My routers are mostly sonoff ZBMINIs

sour shadow
uncut sorrel
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Awesome, time to order a CC2531 stick

austere patio
uncut sorrel
half cradle
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OK, so in my efforts to figure out my zigbee network, I removed some devices to re-add them back. However ZHA isn't even finding them to be resdiscovered.

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I wish I could just tell my network to start from scratch, but now I have a few devices that won't re-interview. (it is not a reception issue, new devices paired perfectly)

half cradle
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last question....data flow control, hardware?

sour shadow
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Depends on what coordinator you're using

half cradle
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I'm debating just nuking my entire network, I started with 2 devices,

sour shadow
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Check the official docs for it?

half cradle
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"good" devices wont interview, once removed,

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interview "again"

sour shadow
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I'd be pretty sure that hardware is only an option for USB

half cradle
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thanks

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I also moved to many devices, I think probably not a bad idea to have everything in place, and "add via this device"

sour shadow
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Well, you should always pair in place

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If you pair and move then many things will never reconnect

half cradle
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Yes, I mean when I was just starting and building my network, I didn't do it right

sour shadow
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Add via is also important for Xiaomi devices (the non-Zigbee 3.0 stuff)

half cradle
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I'm probably spending more time, trying not to start from scratch, lol

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and I am just going to keep adding alot more devices, So I should just bite the bullet and do it correct from the beginning?

sour shadow
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Well, depends on what the problems you're having are, and whether your moving stuff has caused them

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Simply re-pairing devices using the Via option would help there

half cradle
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They are not even all repairing, I tried that

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so like I removed and reset my innr plug,

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wont even see it to re-interview,

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i wonder if my database is messed up

sour shadow
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And it's within range of another router device/the coordinator (max 6 to 8 meters)

half cradle
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absolutely

sour shadow
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The coordinator is on a USB extension?

grim igloo
half cradle
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i had some new hues paired instantly

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I PROMISE. its not that, 🙂

sour shadow
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You've also checked for WiFi interference

half cradle
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Its a POE coordinator, 30 feet away for anything else,

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zigbee on 25, wifi on 21

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err, 1

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i live in the woods.

sour shadow
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Nice

half cradle
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New devices pair instantly, even super far away

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just so many "weird" issues

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like, how my network and practices are good

molten linden
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Device pairing is initiated by the device, coordinator/routers just listen. Even if no interference at coordinator there could be some near the device or nearby routers causing the coordinator or nearby routers not to hear. When devices don’t pair they are either not fully resetting or their is interference.

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a nearby router could also be maxed out on end devices - ikea supports 5 I believe.

grim igloo
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Do you know what hue’s max is by chance?

molten linden
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Nope

half cradle
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Yea, I do think something is wrong with my database, or some memory or "something"

grim igloo
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i would've started fresh already

half cradle
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@grim igloo yea yea, I know

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Maybe i'll go Z2m 😛

grim igloo
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nah

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not on that coordinator you wont

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you bought efr32 chipset man

half cradle
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yea, i know

dire owl
#

just enabled multi-pan on my SkyConnect to get some better Thread/Matter converage in my home. I noticed that all my ZHA devices had signifancanly worse RSSI values. Is this expected? or does my network have to re-route and figure out the routers etc.

dire owl
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however, on the positive side, another thing I noticed is that all my the utilizations for my channels (according to the energy scan diagnostic), is below 1%

austere patio
dire owl
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is the energy scan values also buggy?

austere patio
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They're roughly accurate

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As in, 0.10% utilization > 0.05% utilization

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But it won't be comparable to what you can scan with Zigbee-only firmware

dire owl
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good to know. It now like less than 0.5% at most

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i guess that is good

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🙂

austere patio
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They will all be < 1%, unfortunately. This isn't a part of the firmware source code that we have access to so it's up to Silicon Labs to fix this.

half cradle
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@grim igloo The solution was actually a little to easy....

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delete (or what i did was move/rename) zigbee.db in /config and reboot

grim igloo
half cradle
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so far, it seems to leave all my devices intact, showed the same # in ZHA

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and it is rebuilding the toplogy map from scratch,

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the device is unavailable until ZHA adds it.

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if this works. I dont know whether to be happy or pissed

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its basically keeping all my devices, everything, and rebuilding the network...

austere patio
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zigbee.db caches basic device info and also stores a copy of your network settings

half cradle
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I've been having so many "basic" issues

austere patio
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It doesn't really contain much else. Deleting it with an active network will cause ZHA to treat all existing devices on the network as "unknown" and try to re-initialize them, but this won't resolve any network-level issues

atomic surge
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You guys ever run into problems with ZigBee2MQTT mismatching state inside of itself?
In my case a contact sensor is closed, and in the state page it correctly shows that it's closed, but the exposed value has been stuck open.
So it knows the value changed, but doesn't expose that change randomly.

half cradle
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what do you mean by network level issues?

austere patio
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If you have an interference source near the coordinator, requests will still fail

half cradle
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understood, but that was 100% not my issue

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(i know you are doubtful, but humor me and believe that)

austere patio
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I'm not entirely sure what your issue is to be honest, I just saw that you deleted zigbee.db 😄

half cradle
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is there anything else cache wise i should delete? For example I would remove a device, but it would not re-add

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😄

austere patio
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The moment a device joins the network in any form, it will show up in the "add device" screen

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If it isn't, that means the device isn't trying to join

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Can you upload the diagnostics JSON for the ZHA integration?

half cradle
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sure, I have the logs from debugging enabled, how do I get the diagnostic json?

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nvm

grim igloo
half cradle
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I included some logs I've been collecting, feel free to ignore those

grim igloo
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random nextcloud links are bad mmkay :x

half cradle
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I don't like the cloud, 😦

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lol. where should I upload the logs?

grim igloo
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ya but for a dev he has to now trust you arent gonna infect him with superaids

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is it too big for dpaste etc?

half cradle
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yea, the debugging logs are few hundred

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i'll paste the json

atomic surge
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GitHub's gist is a good alternative

half cradle
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oh, thats self hosted too...

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There you go, 🙂

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@austere patio that is after deleting my database, if you need before, I would need to restore from a backup

austere patio
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Thanks! I'm not seeing any signs of interference. What devices are you having issues with? When you rebuilt your mesh, did you build it out router by router and then add end devices?

half cradle
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why does nobody believe me its not ACTUALLY interference, LOL (I was in IT/Computer repair, I do get it)

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All kinds, my map was fugly. I started off only 1-2 months ago with converted hue bulbs, Innr Plugs and inovelli switches mostly

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a few tuya devices, not many

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but like for example. many devices would not reconfigure, and if i removed them, they would not get added back sometimes, some would, some wouldnt

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and i am 100% positive I reset them and in pairing mode. I would try a new device and it would pair instantly

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so it seemed like database corruption/cache/something memory wise.

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I was also having lights turn on randomly for a second, devices not responding, (again, ruled out interference, i promise)

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@molten linden suggested turning off source routing, (which I did before deleting the DB).

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I'm crossing my fingers deleting the DB is essentially rebuilding my routes and network. which is what it looks like? I am going to try and pair the innr plug in a few hours.

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It was almost like something was still there, and not quite deleted. again new devices would pair instantly. no issues at all, but something that was previously paired,

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is there anything else I should delete other then database that might help? my logs still seem the same, but not sure if its normal or not. since i never really checked debugging logs for zha before this

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it seemed like it kept updating device availability, but not saving it, if that somehow makes sense....

austere patio
half cradle
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yea, it doesnt actually seem better....

austere patio
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Try migrating your network to channel 20 🤷‍♂️

half cradle
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would that only fix if interference?

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did you look at my logs? anything not normal? I feel like it keeps looking at the same devices and not saving the state

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" 0x5749: Update device availability - device available: True - new availability: True - changed: False"

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if thats normal, ok. Never really delved into the debugging logs before

austere patio
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That's all fine

half cradle
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ok I changed to 20

austere patio
half cradle
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nope

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@austere patio if we ruled out user error and interference (humor me) why wouldn't a solid device like an innr plug be recognized via ZHA after removing?

austere patio
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ZHA doesn't scan for devices: devices try to join ZHA's network. Are you in an area with deployed smart meters?

half cradle
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Well, why isn't it seeing devices that are trying to join, that joined previously? I dont know what a deployed smart meter is, I live in the woods

austere patio
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Just to be sure, are you allowing joins by clicking the "Add Device" button before resetting the device?

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Smart energy meters provided by your power company. Many use ZigBee and some devices try to join their networks instead of your own.

half cradle
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I definitely don't have those

austere patio
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They're not a device you install, they're built into the box outside your house

half cradle
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i i will check again

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So the innr plug for example, easy to reset. easily moveable. I removed it from ZHA, hoping to readd it

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it did not show up, So I did a reset on the device, (many times) confirmed in pairing mode.

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if I get a new device, it pairs right away, zero issues, but even a completely reset device has issues

austere patio
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I would double check the reset procedure for your plug. There's no distinction between an old device and a new one when they join the network, and will both show up in the frontend right away

half cradle
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Yea, they are not

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I guess the only way to prove it is another coordinator and a new install, right?

austere patio
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If you have another coordinator you can give it a try