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unborn orbit
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and realize this may be off topic with zigbee at this point

grim igloo
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People buy a project box and put the controller and psu in there

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It’s a project

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There’s tutorials on YouTube to learn more and see if it’s worth the energy

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People post project pics to r/wled and in their discord too

unborn orbit
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i've got to up my halloween game next year too

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i've got wled running lightning this year but definitely can go a step beyond

grim igloo
unborn orbit
grim igloo
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yea i thought so too

unborn orbit
grim igloo
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I’ve still got some good years left in me

unborn orbit
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lol

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thinking i may just go with tuneable white strips

grim igloo
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You need party mode

low mirage
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once the devices are paired and mapped , is it possible re map when I add new zigbee routers , so the sensors can connect to the nearest router ?

grim igloo
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We had that discussion earlier. In a perfect world they’d get better routes but due to battery constraints and non ideal coding they probably won’t. Mains powered should though.

low mirage
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but is there a way can we force remapping ? I am using z2m

grim igloo
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I don’t believe so but I’ll let someone else confirm

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I think a rejoin is required

warped pebble
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one thing that feels odd about the zigbee2mqtt device actions, and maybe i'm doing something wrong, is there seems to be lots of stuff missing

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i've paired a hue 4 button dimmer remote and the only events available in the HA dropdown are "off_press" action, "off_press_release action", and "on_press_release action"

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I can get around this using the state trigger

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and logging out what each button press' event is

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just odd

smoky kestrel
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Question.. What's the best way to increase thr range of my Ikea Tradfri gateway ? I have about 13 blinds, 11 on second floor and 2 on the first. The gateway is only able to cover the 11 on the second floor if placed on the second floor. I now want to add 5 more blinds to the basement, and I need to extend the range of the gateway. Would I be able to add a few Zigbee repeaters/routers across the house and expect that the network will get extended since the blinds operate on Zigbee ?

frigid prairie
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is anyone using pzem(energy monitor) in zha

mighty river
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is there like a suggestion list which zigbee light bulbs work 100% with HA and don't cost an arm and a leg?

sour shadow
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Tradfri work well, Osram really don't (except the newer Zigbee 3.0 LEDVANCE stuff apparently).

mighty river
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i'm seeing philips hue mentioned a lot (seems to almost be the default suggestion), what about innr/sengled?

sour shadow
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Hue are good, but expensive. Both Innr and Sengled are good, but availability of those does seem to vary around the world.

patent moss
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is it possible to reconfigure router devices to not act as routers and just endpoints?
I have two sensors connecting to a lamp (router) which I want to avoid because the lamp is not always powered.

sour shadow
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No

patent moss
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out of curiosity is it something for which there just exists no support yet or is it an inherent "issue" of zigbee?

sour shadow
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The device itself decides whether it's a router or an endpoint

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Similarly the device itself picks how it connects to the mesh

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If you're going to cut the power to the lamp, buy a Sengled bulb for it - they're the only bulbs that aren't routers, because of exactly what you're doing

patent moss
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I see thanks for your insight

misty oasis
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Is there some that would react uf i just ONCE hit the thing út Is stuck on?

sour shadow
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What?

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It's a button, you push it and it reports on then off, or hold if you hold it down

misty oasis
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One ikea Burton outnof 3 Down after about 8 Hours 😦

sour shadow
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If you want an actual switch you need to buy an actual switch

misty oasis
rapid dawnBOT
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@misty oasis When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

misty oasis
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So Burton Is Button, but hitting thé thing Aš a backup would be nicr

sour shadow
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If you want to be able to hit something, look at the Xiaomi Cube

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You can pick it up and smack it on the table

misty oasis
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When i use the vibration sensor i need to hit the thing few times

sour shadow
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I can't say I'm in the habit of hitting things...

misty oasis
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It Is (obviously) kind of a pratical joke

rapid dawnBOT
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@quick kestrel I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
sour shadow
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That's ... not really Zigbee related

quick kestrel
misty oasis
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I do not understad 😦

sour shadow
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Don't understand what?

misty oasis
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"my bad already moved"

sour shadow
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Did you read the few posts above it?

misty oasis
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Yes

sour shadow
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Then you'll have noticed that somebody posted a question that should have gone elsewhere...

versed orchid
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Is there any reason for using zigbee2mqtt instead of zha? Is one better/more reliable than the other?

misty oasis
sour shadow
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ZHA has better support for some, Z2M for others

balmy fossil
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What does it mean if a device's battery level in Zigbee2MQTT panel shows full charge icon, is green and blinks?

drifting bronze
tropic depot
mighty river
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if I understand correctly most zigbee bulbs can just be directly integrated and controlled via HA with the ZHA (or that other one) integration, no need to fiddle around with different intergrations right

tropic depot
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I just replaced my sengled with Hue (was finally convinced to try them and I’m very sorry to say they are worth the money 😕)

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As long as they aren’t Tuya they should just work

mighty river
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worth how though? ease of controlling them or just how good their light quality is?

sour shadow
mighty river
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yeah after my Tuya thermostats i'm swearing off that china stuff forever

sour shadow
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Xiaomi stuff is generally fine - the pre-3.0 stuff is a little quirky, but if you pay attention is rock solid

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Sonoff's stuff... mixed bag, very mixed

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My own setup is mostly Xiaomi, with Innr for routers, a large number of Terncy devices, and a smaller number of Ikea, Linkind, and Gledopto devices

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Oh, and one Lidl LED strip

mighty river
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why I'm asking is because i've started with ZWave and have ZWave relay for switches and dimmers. but now looking at most stuff like Aqara sensors for doors/windows which most people seem to like, they're Zigbee, so I'll have to build up a Zigbee mesh network anyway

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and easiest way seems to be via light bulbs, as almost lights seem to be zigbee anyway

sour shadow
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Yeah, I started with Z-Wave and have moved entirely to Zigbee now

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I still wish for door/window sensors as nice as the Z-Wave ones, but for everything else I've found a Zigbee option that's cheaper and at least as good, if not better

misty oasis
drifting bronze
hardy sorrel
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Hopefully this is the right spot to ask. Just grabbed some Aqara temp/humidity sensors, I've paired them with zigbee2mqtt successfully (can see them in the dashboard) but I do not see them under Integrations > Mosquitto broker or under Entities

sour shadow
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Do you have other working entities in Z2M

hardy sorrel
sour shadow
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Did you enable Home Assistant in Z2M?

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By default it's not enabled

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Heck, by default the UI isn't enabled

hardy sorrel
sour shadow
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Under Settings

rapid dawnBOT
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@hardy sorrel When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

hardy sorrel
# sour shadow Under _Settings_

Ok, I can see it under HA Integration > Simple. I've enabled it, would I have to remove the device from Z2M and repair it for it to show up in HA?

sour shadow
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I'm pretty sure at this point you'll have to restart Z2M

hardy sorrel
sour shadow
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And ... no change in your ability to not ping me on every reply either

hardy sorrel
sour shadow
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I'm guessing you skipped reading that bot message

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How new is your HA install? Have you had MQTT configured for a long time, or only recently?

hardy sorrel
sour shadow
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Then, by default MQTT Discovery should be enabled in HA

hardy sorrel
sour shadow
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I've never enabled HA support after setting up Z2M, but the only time I was missing a discovery payload from Z2M restarting Z2M solved it

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Maybe worth checking that HA can see the MQTT Discovery messages

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Oh, and if you added stuff to the YAML in HA you may have broken things

hardy sorrel
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HA logs are showing: 2022-11-01 01:41:09.717 ERROR (Thread-2 (_thread_main)) [homeassistant.components.mqtt.client] Unable to connect to the MQTT broker: Connection Refused: not authorised.

lilac wharf
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not authorised

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MQTT username/password in z2m isn't set or is wrong

sour shadow
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That would explain a lot...

hardy sorrel
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Thanks for your help @lilac wharf and @sour shadow

pine swan
sour shadow
pine swan
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Thank you. That's what I thought.

azure tinsel
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I have a light group of 4 lights. 3 of them can be controlled individually the 4th won't do anything. If a turn the group on and off this light does react. I'm using z2mqtt anyone an idea why this light does not react to individual responses?

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In z2m it tells me the light has a time out for response 10000ms

austere patio
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What brand is this light? IKEA?

azure tinsel
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Just did but its still the same

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Hie

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Hue

austere patio
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How long did you keep it off?

azure tinsel
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Not very long I'll try it longer

grim igloo
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Do lights re establish routes after boot?

austere patio
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Some have a bug where half of the firmware crashes and you can only contact them with group commands

grim igloo
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Fun

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Not fixed on latest fw of said devices?

austere patio
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I don't think so but I haven't checked in a while

azure tinsel
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Jus turned it off for 30 seconds but still the same

grim igloo
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Still curious about my routes question tho

azure tinsel
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I guess z2m isn't very stable or the coordinator firmware isn't... having allot problems

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Mostly it goes wrong after a full reboot of ha when the network goes down for a while

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After it there is always a sensor or light that needs repairing.

misty oasis
devout valve
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Thanks. I've been trawling round various sources on zigbee remotes and ZHA and realised I didn't appreciate or understand the difference between pairing (to a controller) and binding (directly to a device) either Touchlink commissioning or "find and bind" via network. So, with the remote I've not bothered to try to create a blueprint for managing the lights as it does this itself much better by following the instructions it came with. I've then created a simple blueprint to capture events and associate with device actions for things like plugs (which you can't bind to). Interestingly once this is set up, the all off button on the remote actually switches the plug device light on and off too despite not having been directly configured to do so. I tried binding from ZHA and had some success (though the UI doesn't move from spinning blue circle mode) by putting the remote into "find and bind" and selecting a device to bind to but it grouped all devices to all endpoints - my remote has 4 different controls, so resorted to touchlink binding. (I think some of my issues are probably due to HA not picking up the remote details - so it's all raw events)

mellow geode
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Like, the IKEA bulbs causing that issue were working perfectly fine but somehow caused other Hue bulbs to only respond to group commands for hours at a time.

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Since I removed all IKEA bulbs + plugs (with "zcl version"=3) from my network, all bulbs are fine

grim igloo
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It’s funny we never seem to point to hardware failure with our smart devices

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He could easily just have one bad bulb and bad luck lol

mellow geode
summer pelican
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How i can set indicator_mode on TS011F power plug with home assistant?

devout valve
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what are you trying to do?

mellow geode
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In the future, a config entity could be made available (I think there’s a pending PR)

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But at the earliest, it’ll be in 2022.12.0

mellow geode
summer pelican
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i need help

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more help

azure tinsel
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@mellow geode 1.93.7 is the version they are on. but im experiencing problems all over my network. everytime a light goes offline or without power or when z2m reboots the whole network is a mess for days before its back to normal again

mellow geode
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Huh, yeah. That’s not normal

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What Zigbee model ID do the Hue lights have?

elfin gate
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Hi, need a little bit of help 🙂

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Have the Sonoff 3.0 Dongle Plus for Zigbee. Had installed the Mosquitto and then the Zigbee2mqtt addon

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now: i configured:

port: >-
/dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_0001-if00-port0

But: 502 Bad Gateway

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no new device in the device list, no idea what is the problem

lilac wharf
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what does the zigbee2mqtt log say?

elfin gate
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orivate or can i do log here?

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private*

lilac wharf
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here is fine

elfin gate
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[20:33:13] INFO: Preparing to start...
[20:33:13] INFO: Socat not enabled
[20:33:16] INFO: Starting Zigbee2MQTT...
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2022-10-31 20:33:22: Logging to console and directory: '/config/zigbee2mqtt/log/2022-10-31.20-33-22' filename: log.txt
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2022-10-31 20:33:22: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.28.0 (commit #unknown)
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2022-10-31 20:33:22: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.62)

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user is added and configured in the config

lilac wharf
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IIRC it can take a few minutes for the UI for some add-ons to be ready

elfin gate
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u mean me?

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hm .. waiting now for a few days btw 😄

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same situation

lilac wharf
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no clue then. that's all that's in the zigbee2mqtt log?

rapid dawnBOT
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@elfin gate I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
lilac wharf
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that's more helpful. add this to your zigbee2mqtt config and restart zigbee2mqtt:

advanced:
  pan_id: GENERATE
  network_key: GENERATE
elfin gate
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under the user in mqtt space right?

lilac wharf
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anywhere in the config

elfin gate
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again: [20:54:19] INFO: Preparing to start...
[20:54:20] INFO: Socat not enabled
[20:54:23] INFO: Starting Zigbee2MQTT...
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2022-10-31 20:54:29: Logging to console and directory: '/config/zigbee2mqtt/log/2022-10-31.20-54-29' filename: log.txt
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2022-10-31 20:54:29: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.28.0 (commit #unknown)
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2022-10-31 20:54:29: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.62)
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-10-31 20:55:35: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-10-31 20:55:35: Failed to start zigbee
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-10-31 20:55:35: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-10-31 20:55:35: Exiting...
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-10-31 20:55:35: Error: network commissioning timed out - most likely network with the same panId or extendedPanId already exists nearby
at ZnpAdapterManager.beginCommissioning (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/z-stack/adapter/manager.ts:347:23)
at ZnpAdapterManager.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/z-stack/adapter/manager.ts:92:17)
at Controller.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/controller/controller.ts:132:29)
at Zigbee.start (/app/lib/zigbee.ts:58:27)
at Controller.start (/app/lib/controller.ts:101:27)
at start (/app/index.js:109:5)

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did i had to turn off the alexa zigbee gateway?

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because panID ?

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change it?

lilac wharf
lilac wharf
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this is weird though. is the adapter plugged in to an extension cable?

elfin gate
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no directly in the rpi4

lilac wharf
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would definitely recommend using an extension cable and plugging it into one of the USB 2.0 ports

elfin gate
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k, had ordered yesterday, must wait to wednesday

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so, project must sleep, thanks for the help

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it is too near at the pi4?

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that is the issue?

lilac wharf
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It can cause interference, yes

austere patio
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The startup formation failure is from interference. Z-Stack can't find a free channel and gives up.

south moth
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I have keep bumping into the same issue.. Added a zigbee sensor which shows up in phoscone/deconz and detects motion. But whatever I try, it does not appear in HA. I tried rebooting it all, upgrading the core, app etc. Is there a way to force discover the sensor or manually add it to HA?

misty oasis
austere patio
elfin gate
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aaaaand it works xD, no more gateway xD

glad plinth
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I accidentally removed a hue spotlight from my hue app while it was "Unavailable" so now its stuck thinking its paired to an app that it's not paired to and the only way I can reset it is to crawl outside in my garden and get the Serial Number... RIP

fallow warren
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Hello, a few weeks ago i restored my HA from backup, had some problems since. The main thing now is that even if my devices are showing up in "Zigbee2mqtt" addon they are not being added as entities in home assistant. Even if it succesfully connects to the MQTT broker from the logs. Any known place I could start looking?

cold obsidian
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Anybody know if aixi-SHS ZigBee 3.0 Smart Plug work with HA and without tuya cloud ?

sour shadow
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Works with ZHA? or Zigbee2MQTT?

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It should work with ZHA, since it's Zigbee 3.0 - Z2M have a page listing all the already working devices

mellow geode
shy summit
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I use ZHA with Aqara and IKEA sensors that use batteries. All these sensors are listen unavailable most of the time probably to save battery power. Is there an ability to change the ZHA behavior to show the last known state or instead of unavailable?

mellow geode
shy summit
mellow geode
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Can you check? (It’s set in seconds. Settings -> Integrations -> ZHA: configure -> second field with end device timeout

shy summit
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300sek

sour shadow
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300 seconds for end devices is unlikely to be the default

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Routers, sure, I could believe that, but end devices can go hours between messages

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Most of my current stuff reports hourly, but the Xiaomi leak sensors sometimes go 6 hours between packets, and both the Konke and Tuya stuff I used to use would typically sleep for 3 hours between messages

mellow geode
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Should be set to 21600 seconds (6 hours) for end devices

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Mains-powered devices should be set to 2 hours (7200 seconds)

sour shadow
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(though IMO you can change those once you understand your own mesh)

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Without the leak sensors I could use 70 minutes for end devices

shy summit
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Thanks for the hint. Will try with one hour and increase if necessary.

sour shadow
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Well, I'd start above an hour

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Otherwise you're in the fun of race conditions where you get to roll the dice on whether the entity will be briefly unavailable

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That's why I said 70 minutes above

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(even then, that's optimistic since it's not unheard of for a single "keep alive" to go astray)

summer pelican
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How i can set indicator_mode on TS011F power plug with home assistant?

fallow warren
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I did not know about ZHA until I read this, maybe I should just use that instead if I'm starting over?

near echo
glad plinth
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I had the same problem when I set up Z2M a few days ago

maiden cliff
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has anything changed in getting ikea tradfri bulbs into pairing mode? Still the old six times on/off dance?

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hm, I see people referencing "but this doesn't work for the new 1000lm bulbs" internetwise. And guess which I've got..

fallow warren
glad plinth
fallow warren
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Woo thank you so much! 😄

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Forgot about that part since the IP had changed 🙂

glad plinth
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Yep no problem I went through the same issue this week so happy to pass it on 🤘

proud birch
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Is it possible to set the cooldown time of hue motion sensor.? from when it switching to motion on to off. Default is like 15 seconds I think

mellow geode
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Yeah, currently it’s only possible to set it using the "Manage Clusters" UI

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Minimum is 10 seconds IIRC

mellow geode
analog sky
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Hey there, I’m struggling to find the path to my zigbee device on my NAS drive. It says that it can be found at “/dev/ttyACM0 for most Synology users” but mine is not there. I’ve also run the command to find the devices with both the zigbee device plugged into the usb port and not plugged in to determine if it’s under another name but nada, no devices disappear when I unplug the zigbee stick.

sour shadow
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What version of Synology's platform are you running?

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What stick are you using?

analog sky
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DSM 7.1-42661 Update 4 and CC2531

sour shadow
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CC2531
weewoo_red

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DSM 7.1
weewoo_red weewoo_blue

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Synology DSM 7 does not support external USB devices

maiden cliff
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Okay,, zigbee groups and bind are kind of magical. Why didn't anybody tell me? (Everybody who's been telling me: "wtf?")

grim igloo
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Like I found out I can’t bind a door/window sensor to a bulb 😦

maiden cliff
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that'swhy you also have a more flexuble platform to do the weird shit

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but I am a little bummed about not being able to get my ikea bulb into my ha.

analog sky
boreal token
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Hey all, I'm trying to migrate my Zigbee network from Deconz over to ZHA, but when I try to add the ZHA integration, it says "Already configured. Only a single configuration possible.". anyone run into this before?

austere patio
boreal token
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I deleted my Deconz integration because i was having another problem with it, so that's not present either at the moment

austere patio
boreal token
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Turns out, it's on the hidden list. wow. 🤦‍♂️

maiden cliff
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ya know what would havce helped with trying to pair that ikea bulbto my zigbee? IF IT WAS ACTUALLY A SMART BULB

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jesus

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I just had compeltely the wrong bulb in there.

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yep. Turns out THAT HELPS A LOT

grim igloo
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i will put that in my notes

maiden cliff
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I've been banging my head into that, off and on, interspersed with bouts of a bit of gaming whenever it got boring, for several hours. Bloody hell.

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I'm really speechless at the day I'm having. (I also broke the glass door on our kitchen oven earlier today. The replacement was 300 bucks and also is no longer available, so I will be buying a new oven.)

grim igloo
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do whatever the opposite of buying a lottery ticket is

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maybe just drug yourself into tuesday?

maiden cliff
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it is tuesday.

grim igloo
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drugs self into wednesday

lilac wharf
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it is Wednesday, my dudes

devout valve
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when a Zigbee device is found in ZHA but appears as unknown and/or is missing controls/sensors, I know this means it needs a quirk but is there a simpler way to fix the problem and what would that be?

tropic depot
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When it is shown with unknown model / manufacturer it means the pairing failed.

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I’m working on the pairing screens to make this more obvious

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remove the device from zha, wait about 30 seconds and then add it again

unborn orbit
mellow geode
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Should work with the CCT controller

unborn orbit
fresh dragon
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hello, i have zigbee sonoff dongle P version and some battery powered sensors, but need to extend network, does any powered device (for example zigbee plug) act as a router?

tulip patrol
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@fresh dragon hue bulbs do, also the sonoff switch mini does

fresh dragon
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cool, bulb not needed, but sonoff mini zigbee is OK and small 🙂

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thanks

verbal mulch
fresh dragon
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it need a temp calibration, or hysteresis is bad ?
I see there is temp calibration option in z2m, but no option for hystersis

verbal mulch
humble mulch
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Hello everyone! I just bought a sim client pc (fujitsu s920) and installed HA, i also bought the conbee II and set all my devices… but after i woke up today.. none of the zigbee devices were working.. i tried to look up online and found lot of people with the same issue but no solution.. where can I ask for help? Thanks a lot!

sour shadow
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Here is where to ask for help

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Do answer the question in the channel topic - are you using ZHA, Zigbee2MQTT, or deCONZ?

humble mulch
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ZHA

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Actually it got recognized automatically

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Can I post here the log entry?

rapid dawnBOT
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humble mulch
sour shadow
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FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden_elektronik_ingenieurtechnik_GmbH_ConBee_II_DE2652738-if00'

Did you try removing and reconnecting the stick

humble mulch
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Yes, didnt help

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Also try to delete the integration

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Wait, let me search for another log entry, i think that wasnt the first error

twin gazelle
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Anyone know of any good Zigbee UK Smart Plugs (Not Smart Switches aka only switch on and off) proper smart plugs that support energy monitoring? the only ones i've ever been able to find are the Aurora AOne AU-A1ZBPIA but they are not cheap and not the easiest to find either.

sour shadow
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If you can still find them the Salus ones do

twin gazelle
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found a single zigbee one the rest i can find seem to be the wifi version

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don't know why more companies dont make them

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Only thing i can think of is some weird uk regulations

sour shadow
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We're a relatively small market

twin gazelle
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yeah the SP600s the one i found but there seems to be wifi version with the same model number which is everything else that seems to come up

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will try the hive, thanks

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sure is ugly though

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might be too big for most of the places i might want to use it

sour shadow
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Yeah, the reason mine is in the drawer of doom is because it's huge, bigger than any of the Z-Wave sockets I had

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Still, it works, and the control is very accessible

final wagon
twin gazelle
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sonoff do a 4 pack of on off switches for about £20 i beleive, i imagine they have a us version i'll see if i can find them

final wagon
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ooh that'd be dope, thanks

final wagon
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not sure what tasmota flashing entails tho

twin gazelle
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If you notice the title, that's the wifi version

raven jewel
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If you need to flash it with Tasmota or it's got a Tuya/Smart Life logo on it, I'd steer very clear personally.

twin gazelle
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that's the zigbee version 4 pack

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turns out it's the same page you originally linked lol

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looks like the S40 version is the cheapest, and buying the bulk is definatly the most cost effective

final wagon
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sweet, thanks!

final wagon
raven jewel
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You may have better luck with Zigbee2MQTT if you're not already using it

twin gazelle
#

You have to watch with TuYa as there's Zigbee and Wifi versions, the Zigbee ones work great with Z2M from what I've tried, but the WiFi ones are a pita, my first few smart devices were TuYa WiFi but you have to connect with Tuya app and create a cloud connection api to connect them to HA which makes them non local and was a pita to setup.

final wagon
final wagon
raven jewel
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It's a different way of using Zigbee instead of the built in ZHA. You can install it as an addon and use it that way, it gives you a full dashboard amongst other things

rapid dawnBOT
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Zigbee2MQTT is a Zigbee gateway that uses MQTT to communicate with HA and supports a range of TI chipset based controllers. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

raven jewel
twin gazelle
final wagon
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awesome, good to know!

raven jewel
#

ZHA is very good, but it relies on devices adhering to standards and follows those. Zigbee2MQTT tends to work a little better with devices that don't quite adhere to those standards.

viral quarry
#

can you use an ESP32 to control zigbee devices?

raven jewel
#

Z2M also exposes the action from buttons differently which I find easier to work with

viral quarry
raven jewel
viral quarry
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Aww

twin gazelle
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But like Rosemary says, you cant directly interact

viral quarry
#

what would be the cheapest option with a raspi then

viral quarry
raven jewel
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You need a co-ordinator of some kind

rapid dawnBOT
twin gazelle
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I use the Sonoff 3.0 Dongle with the customer firmware installed for my zigbee co-ordinator

rapid dawnBOT
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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options including the CC2652 based sticks. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

twin gazelle
#

I hear horror stories about the conbee so i'd stay away from that

raven jewel
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There's a pinned post about choosing your stick

twin gazelle
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I'm trying to find a smart device similar to switch bot but instead of toggling physical switches it sends a pulse to cause a touch press on a touch panel, but had no luck zigbee or otherwise, anyone come across such a thing?

raven jewel
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Nope, but I suspect you'd be better off not using the touchpanel and just doing the thing that touching the touch panel does

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I find this at work, a user will ask me for a big stick. When I ask what the problem is they will insist they need a big stick. When they get the big stick they will use it to press an inconveniently located button. The solution is to move the button, or add a second button, not the stick.

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Of course, that's a genericised example for amusement, but usually "pressing the button" is not what you actually need to do.

twin gazelle
#

There is no other solution really, I have two devices I want to control that have touch panels, one is a blue tooth audio receiver and the other is my induction hob, I want to be able to control them via home assistant, but only interaction I currently have is a smart switch on the induction hob.

viral quarry
#

I think I'll get a blue Zigbee Ebyte CC2531

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any big NO's?

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it's got no antenna but I don't need range

raven jewel
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CC2341 is older and not good from memory

viral quarry
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but cheap 😏

raven jewel
#

Buy cheap, buy many times

viral quarry
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true

raven jewel
#

The frugal person spends a little more and saves much more

twin gazelle
#

the sonoff dongle's pretty cheap if you can find it, are you in the US or UK?

raven jewel
viral quarry
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neither :P

raven jewel
#

Cheaper than Conbee, better than Conbee, and arrives tomorrow for me

viral quarry
#

this one right

twin gazelle
#

That's the one from the looks of it

viral quarry
#

right so once I have that, I need to set up Zigbee2MQTT as an add-on since I'm using HA OS

twin gazelle
#

There is a newer revision though and that looks like it may not have the chip you're looking for, give me a min to check

viral quarry
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will it be detected automatically?

twin gazelle
#

the ebay one Rosemary posted had that preflashed

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i mean amazon

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that looks like it's not the exacy version you want, the version i beleive you want has the CP2102N

viral quarry
#

is it a night and day difference or is it minor

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I'd rather cut costs

twin gazelle
#

i've not first hand delt with the non CP2102N version but i beleive there's connectivity issues from what i had read with the other one, jsut trying to confirm

viral quarry
#

or I can just get the ikea switches and hook servos up to them :P

twin gazelle
#

and that's cheaper? you can get like 4 cheap zigbee switches for the price of one of the ikea ones

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looks like from that reddit page the main difference between the P and the E is the Plus-E is better for ZHA while the other is better for Z2M

viral quarry
#

so the older one is better with zha eh

tropic depot
#

either will be very well supported by ZHA

viral quarry
#

oke

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thanks

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Will it detect nearby devices straight away?

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or do I need to do pairing stuff

tropic depot
#

?

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i don't follow

#

nothing is magic... devices need to be in pairing mode and you need to initiate the pairing process in your integration of choice

viral quarry
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gotcha

twin gazelle
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no the older one is the CP2102N which is better with Z2M it's the newer one the Plus-E that you linked that's better with ZHA

#

everything needs paired once

#

but once you've paired something to the controller or one of your routers it's available network wide

viral quarry
#

yeah yeah okay

upper delta
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I'm just learning about all of this, but wouldn't Z2M have more latency than ZHA? ZHA would also continue to work if you lost the Internet, right?

lilac wharf
#

Yes, z2m likely has more latency, but we're talking a few milliseconds. Z2m would also work without Internet access, so I'm not sure how that's related

raven jewel
#

Z2M definitely works offline

upper delta
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And then if I go the Z gateway route, are you always locked into a brand like Tuya or Aqara? I thought Z2MQTT required a cloud-based IoT service, but mazybe that's just MQTT

lilac wharf
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MQTT doesn't have to be cloud based

raven jewel
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It doesn't, and despite the name Z2M doesn't actually have to use MQTT either

upper delta
#

Okay - so Z2M means I don't get stuck with one brand of gateway

lilac wharf
#

I think you're thinking of zwavejs-UI (formerly zwavejs2mqtt) @raven jewel ?

lilac wharf
upper delta
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So what's the major draw for Z2M then? Better device support?

raven jewel
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I now need to check the docs again, maybe I'm thinking of the #zwave-archived one

raven jewel
lilac wharf
upper delta
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And the HA Yellow has built in support for Z2m, so no worries there. I just need a gateway/router to get my signals back to the Yellow box?

lilac wharf
#

Ehh...the adapter that the Yellow uses has experimental support with z2m

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So YMMV

#

I'm confused by your question though

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The yellow has a built-in Zigbee adapter

grim igloo
#

He can use a p series sonoff or something and use the yellow one for matter in the future

raven jewel
upper delta
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Trying to ramp up quickly...

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Thanks. I'll read up more on what you're saying

twin gazelle
#

Think i'm going to have to buy a load of batteries after payday next week, got several misbehaving sensors and they mostly all still have the crappy cheap ones sonoff sticks in to begin with, one of them doesnt even pair to my network which is irritating, hoping it's just a battery issue, which i think it is as i'm sure i had the same thing happen before

grim igloo
#

Worth a shot

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Assuming your mesh isn’t crap

twin gazelle
#

everything is optimally paired with it's closest router and the routers if close enough directly with coordinator else their optimal router

grim igloo
#

Sounds like a decently thought out setup

#

And usb extender moves dongle away from a rack and usb ports right?

twin gazelle
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the dongle is on a usb2.0 port with a 3 meter i believe it is extention in a central location relatively high and away from other devices, there is a bluetooth dongle nearby but it's a foot or 2 away hooked upto the same server

upper delta
#

Do the later Echo generations with built in zigbee hubs work as gateways for generic zigbee devices? If I'm saying that wrong, could I use the Echo as a range extender for my Yellow to coordinate random Z devices?

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Clarification - can Echo's be Zigbee Routers for non-Amazon devices?

twin gazelle
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I don't think the Echo can be used as a router to an existing network because of the way it works, it locks you into amazons infrastructure pretty much as i understand it, but i might be wrong on that

#

Just looked at my Zigbee Map and somehow several devices have moved to the wrong router , gonna have to sort that

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does anyone remember the limit of how many devices can be paired with a router on zigbee 3.0? I remember reading somewhere there's a limit of something like 8 or 12 just want to make sure i dont hit it, having a hard time finding that info

austere patio
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Depends completely on the device, there's no standard value.

twin gazelle
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was sure it was a stack limitation rather than a device one, must be misremembering

grim igloo
austere patio
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It's set in the firmware. IKEA I think usually uses six

twin gazelle
#

it's looking like it's probably six for most of my stuff too so will repair appropriately

raw lynx
#

question,
has anyone tried these zigbee motion sensors?

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803908918443.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.11.26437dffFjS7a1&algo_pvid=adfc137f-3c7d-4378-900e-7f105a6ec864&algo_exp_id=adfc137f-3c7d-4378-900e-7f105a6ec864-5&pdp_ext_f={"sku_id"%3A"12000028017055695"}&pdp_npi=2%40dis!USD!33.99!19.03!!!!!%40211bf3f116674321657471807d0760!12000028017055695!sea&curPageLogUid=ErXMbWE3qLMe

i bought 4 of em, and at first they connect but they all show up as smoke detectors and show no motion whatsoever. i'm using ZHA to onboard them

twin gazelle
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probably have better luck with z2m with those

raw lynx
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changing them to motion sensors yields no results either

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awh man, z2m is not going well on my side, i can't get it started without crashing my server lmao

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idk if my stick is even supported

twin gazelle
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how are you running it? HAOS or docker?

raw lynx
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HAOS on ESXI

twin gazelle
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Ah, not touched VMWARE in eons, though if docker is an option i'd recommend that personally over a vm, i migrated a few weeks back and so much smoother sailing

grim igloo
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I 1000% will never be adding tuya stuff to my zigbee mesh

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Too many horror stories

twin gazelle
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i have a couple of tuya devices and they were no issues whatsoever on mine

raw lynx
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i have a bunch of tuya zigbee stuffs hooked up and it works great, just these sensors are giving me trouble

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the downside with ali express is it's hard to figure who the "real" manufacture is or if it's a rebrand

twin gazelle
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pretty much anything tuya is cheapo chinese mass produced stuff, though sometimes for certain devices that's all you can get

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wish i had seen those sensors before i bought mine

raw lynx
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yeah they are cheap. and like REALLY tiny

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like crazy tiny

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no bigger than a quarter

#

can i run ZB2m while running ZHA or do i need to disable ZHA first?

twin gazelle
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need to disable zha but it should automatically disable on haos when you install the addon for z2m

raw lynx
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hmm it did not, i just manually disabled it, and good news is it doesn't seem to be eating ram anymore

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but still 502 gateway

twin gazelle
#

that means your config for z2m isnt right usually

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2 main culprits are username and password not set or more likely the dongle is not setup correctly in the config

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i can post my config for reference if you need

raw lynx
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hmmm maybe i need to restart after disable

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nope that didn't do it, could you share your config?

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it doesn't seem to be an issue with MQTT more than it is an issue with the adapter

twin gazelle
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yeah thats what i thought you probably need to set your device to /dev/ttyUSB0

raw lynx
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i have my serial set to port: /dev/ttyUSB1

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USB0 is zwave

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my stick is a combo thing

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go control / nortek

twin gazelle
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tbh you're better using the named device name rather than the tty one

raw lynx
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how would i go about getting the named device?

twin gazelle
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thats my config

raw lynx
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oh you're not doing that in the Z2M configuration tab?

grim igloo
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Settings system hardware dotsvertical all hardware scroll down

raw lynx
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is it better to do it in the yaml?

grim igloo
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Find your sonoff or whatever

twin gazelle
#

i use z2m seperatly in docker but when i was in home assitant i edited most of mine in the yaml editor, just realsied my config no longer has the proper device id due to docker mapping

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/dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_e2f09d4e57c9eb11aaaa8b4f1d69213e-if00-port0

raw lynx
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so my named is
/dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_HubZ_Smart_Home_Controller_41500C79-if01-port0

twin gazelle
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is what it really points to

raw lynx
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ah gotcha

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so in the serial section i should change it to

port: /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_HubZ_Smart_Home_Controller_41500C79-if01-port0

twin gazelle
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yeah use that id, i had a lot better time in HAOS once i used the by-id address

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yeah

grim igloo
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Well z2m has an option to auto fill so I think it’s smart enough to switch if usb tty number changes

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But Id is foolproof

raw lynx
twin gazelle
#

I know i've seen that error before

grim igloo
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Switch to yaml mode and paste it here

twin gazelle
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cant remember the solution

grim igloo
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I’ll compare to mine

twin gazelle
raw lynx
austere patio
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Set the adapter type to ezsp

twin gazelle
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ah yes good advice, setting the correct type

raw lynx
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where do i do that? under socat or in it's own line

twin gazelle
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adapter: ezsp i think

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under serial

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just under where prot is line in mine

raw lynx
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here goes nothin!

grim igloo
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you have mqtt user and pass and just deleted before sharing right?

raw lynx
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i do not have mqtt user and pass enabled, but that wouldn't cause an inability to access the dongle would it?

twin gazelle
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I dont think the username and pass show in the main config on HAOS do they? those get overriden i'm sure

grim igloo
# 
data_path: /config/zigbee2mqtt
socat:
  enabled: false
  master: pty,raw,echo=0,link=/tmp/ttyZ2M,mode=777
  slave: tcp-listen:8485,keepalive,nodelay,reuseaddr,keepidle=1,keepintvl=1,keepcnt=5
  options: "-d -d"
  log: false
mqtt:
  server: mqtt://core-mosquitto:1883
  user: myusername
  password: mypassword
serial:
  port: >-
    /dev/serial/by-id/```
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that is mine

twin gazelle
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username and pass are required for connecting to broker

grim igloo
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how would it work without a valid mqtt server to login to?

twin gazelle
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if z2m cant connect to broker that's another point of failing to startup

raw lynx
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correct, i think for now it's two different errors unless no user/pass would prevent it from being able to talk to the dongle?

twin gazelle
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i'm pretty sure it's the two things as you say as that other error is nto indicitive of username and password

raw lynx
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well i threw it in there we'll see

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now it seems to be hungup on starting zigbee-herdsman

twin gazelle
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herdsman is the username and pass i believe

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unless its that same SRSP - SYS error showing before it

raw lynx
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it was the ezsp adapter setting

twin gazelle
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yes that's the correct adapter

raw lynx
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removing that got it to fail out again but if that's in it just holds it in stasis

twin gazelle
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you may need to set baudrate too to match the one for ezsp

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baudrate: 115200

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though some ezsp apparently need 57600

raw lynx
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alright well now we have something fun to work with

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57600 seemed to be the baud

twin gazelle
raw lynx
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oh nice so basically my stick is shit lmao

grim igloo
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Is that the nortek?

raw lynx
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yeah

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this one

twin gazelle
raw lynx
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yeah he basically said it was a pretty bad unit lol

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wow upgrading the firmware on that thing looks terrifying

twin gazelle
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nah looks like it just requires cloning the repo and running a couple of commands

raw lynx
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ill take a look at it

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i'll have to DC it from home assistant tho it looks like. i guess just plug it into my pc and run the python script

twin gazelle
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yeah pretty much

#

I somehow have a phantom button on my network i cant figure out how to sort, fresh Duracell battery, is not connected to any router or coordinator but is showing as on the network and online, tried repairing it multiple times as well as disconnecting it from the network

grim igloo
twin gazelle
#

what the heck how is my hard disk nearly empty on my server boot drive

turbid fox
#

Hi I'm using sonoff zigbee and have zigbee extension with power plug on lvl 2 but my motion sensor drop offline after 3 weeks and I can't link back to HA with zigbee. Any idea?

grim igloo
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What do you mean on level 2

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Are you using zha or z2m and which sonoff stick is it? P or E?

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Do you only have the one zigbee sensor or are other devices paired to it and working with your home assistant setup?

turbid fox
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On zha
Other pair devices are working. Only 2 turn offline and can't get them to pair again with zigbee.

PI is on lvl 1 with the sonoff Dongle so I have zigbee plug working as extension to level 2 for the zigbee signals.

sour shadow
smoky tapir
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are the sonoff temp/humidity sensors any good? Or just battery suckers? They look like <$10/each

sour shadow
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It's worth using the search function 😉

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Spoiler ||they're not good||

violet dagger
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But you can flash custom firmware on them

humble mulch
sour shadow
#

Well, maybe you'll be one of the lucky few

#

Buying cheap without researching first is always a gamble

turbid fox
sour shadow
#

Which ones?

twin gazelle
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Are the batteries good?

fallow warren
#

Hi, is there any overview with data that show how much lower the Hue bulbs can be dimmed compared to Ikea trådfri? More specifically the GU10 ones but any study/documentation would be interesting!

smoky tapir
sour shadow
#

Then you didn't use the right search terms

grim igloo
smoky tapir
twin gazelle
sour shadow
grim igloo
#

Ah yea he’s asking a question and following up hours later.. not sure if he actually wants help

smoky tapir
#

me?

grim igloo
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No pac man above lol

smoky tapir
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i was replying to the "snark" from tinkerer on the search....

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anways, not finding "concrete" bitching about the sonoff temp sensors. Sonoff buttons seem fine (but i've only had them for 2 weeks, so battery complaints haven't manifested yet).

sour shadow
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Try using the model number in the search

smoky tapir
#

so I have an additional question then, I find someone talking about falling off. I saw a an issue with sengled power monitors reporting "0" when using a pi3b as my host, but same sensor w/ my i5-6500t vm (2 cores, 4megs ram), same sonoff-e stick, doesn't get any dropoffs. I know this is not the sonoff, but was wondering if the behavior of dropping could be host cpu based? (Same location of stick on usb cable, etc)

solid hollow
#

I'm moving to a new install on a Proxmox setup ... anybody have feelings on running Z2M as an addon vs in a separate LXC container?

sour shadow
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Great thing about not using add-ons is that you can downgrade too

strange shuttle
#

Anyone got a aqara p1 motion sensor? can it really go down to 1 sec refresh time?
Also anyone saw it on aliexpress lately? i cant find the p1 ...

sour shadow
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Two seconds apparently

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I bought mine from a UK source as I couldn't get any on AliExpress

solid hollow
#

The pro for addons I guess is auto-update?

raven jewel
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You could auto update any docker container, not that I'd recommend that.

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But it's not like Z2M has a new update every day that needs installing, it's stable

sour shadow
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One or two updates a month typically

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Use something like diun to tell you about updates, and then manually update at a time that suits you

lofty junco
#

Hey 🙂 Anyone has some recommendation for some tiny "photoelectric barrier" with zigbee?
Usecase: I have an automated cat-food (dry food only) dispenser and i would like to get notified when the food-level inside is below a certain threshold. Any idea what i could use for that?

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Just to make sure what I mean with "photoelectric barrier": There should be like an invisivle light beam traveling from one side to the other and back again and if that is "blocked" that menas that there is still enough food inside 🙂

raven jewel
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An IR break beam sensor would do that. But you could also use a simple weight sensor

sour shadow
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A couple of #diy-archived solutions that should work - load cell (weight sensor as Rosemary said) or maybe ultrasonic distance sensor

raven jewel
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A distance measure from the lid would do it probably.

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If you get the right sensor you could connect it to say a door/window sensor

lofty junco
raven jewel
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Top or bottom is likely easiest, the bottom would be a load cell. #diy-archived can probably provide plenty of help

lofty junco
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@raven jewel And how would you use a "weight sensor"? do you mean to put that under the whole dispenser?

raven jewel
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You could

lofty junco
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@raven jewel in case i would not want to meddle around with diy too much, would there be any "IR break beam sensor " that works with zigbee out of the box, at least "somewhat out of the box"? Or should i move that topic completely to #diy-archived ? thx already 🙂

raven jewel
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I don't think there's anything like that in the Zigbee world, the closest I can think of as an existing product is the Amazon Dash Shelf, and that's not a consumer product, nor does it have an open API
And it's WiFI

lofty junco
twin gazelle
#

Somehow lost all my zigbee devices in HASS after i removed the discovery_prefix: homeassistant that it was nagging about, now i've added it back still dont see my zigbee devices

raven jewel
#

Did you reboot?

twin gazelle
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yes

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got it

#

there was some template issues i thought i had fixed as the notifications had gone away but after posting that it started nagging again

split palm
#

I've got some aqara door/window contact sensors that show power_outage_count -- is there a way to reset that number? I'm using Zigbee2Mqtt with mosquito broker

raven jewel
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Mine shows NA, but it does say in the docs that that value can't be set

mellow geode
#

I guess re-pairing the sensor should reset the value then. Not sure if that's worth doing though

raven jewel
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If you turn on pairing mode and just press and hold the button on the sensor it will re-connect and re-route

split palm
#

Weird, it's definitely showing in home assistant

raven jewel
#

You can hide that sensor

split palm
#

Fair enough lol

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Re-pairing the sensor did not reset the count, so I'll just hide it until it turns out to be useful in the future

summer pelican
#

How i can set indicator_mode on TS011F power plug with home assistant?

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I got already a answer but I don't understood it.

mellow geode
#

You're using ZHA and not Zigbee2MQTT, right?

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If so, then go to Settings -> Integrations -> ZHA -> Devices -> select your TS011F plug.

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There, select TuyaZBOnOffAttributeCluster (...). Then, select backlight_mode (...)

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Always leave the second text field empty.

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If you want to see if it wrote successfully, click "Read Attribute". The output will be a bit different but it should tell you in which mode it's in.

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There's also a pending PR for this to make it easier (config entity) in future HA versions (likely 2022.12.0)

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@summer pelican ^

summer pelican
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Thanks

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What is value represent what?

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I want it completely off

mellow geode
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I think it depends on the plug. You'll see in real-time.
0 should be always off.
1 should be "LED on when plug is on"
2 should be "LED on when plug is off"

summer pelican
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Perfect thanks

smoky tapir
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it probably makes more sense to do this with bluetooth, but is there any "easily" available HID->zigbee devices out there? The usecase is a spin knob for volume control 🙂

raven jewel
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IKEA make one called Symfonisk

smoky tapir
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crap, completely forgot about that

raven jewel
#

Any battery rotary dimmer would do it sadly 😂

smoky tapir
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trying to get it to interface to LogictechMediaServer, already set up sonoff buttons to play different default playlists

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or i could use the forgotten IR remote at my desk to control the speakers that the system is plugged into 🙂

mellow geode
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the Hue Tap Dial also exists btw.

smoky tapir
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I have a lutron dimmer, but wasn't making the connection

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price point the symfonisk rotary makes sesne

iron thicket
#

Anybody know as to why some devices in ZigBee2mqtt would stop communicating?

limber hornet
#

with a "TubesZB CC2652 Ethernet/USB Coordiniator" I had two integrations show up: The "Zigbee Home Automation" and "tubezb-cc2652p2-ethusb-2022 ESPHome". Do I configure both of those?

austere patio
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You can ignore the second one

limber hornet
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OK. I haven't got any actual z* devices yet, except Hue stuff maybe, which is paired to the hue bridge thingy

cedar nimbus
#

I have seen some issues on the newest Deconz - timeout etc reverted back and it worked as expected.. Not my question though- but what is the best solution today? ZHA, Zitbee2mqtt, Deconz or something 4.? Seems like there is a ton of pros/cons

rough mason
#

I am fiddling with the idea of migrating from Zigbee2mqtt to ZHA, is that a silly idea? and if not, how hard is it?
I am assuming that ZHA over time and with matter will be integrating more and more with HA (would that be a wrong assumption?)

sour shadow
#

If Z2M is working for you, why move to ZHA?

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IMO one of the strengths of it is that it's not tightly integrated with HA. The wider user base means it gets support for new devices faster

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Also, you can upgrade (or downgrade) it separately if you have issues

nova flint
#

My experience is, Z2M has a wider support for devices out-of-box, too

rough mason
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My assumption that ZHA will evolve with matter and into a more tight integration with HA. Z2M works as it is without any major hickups.

nova flint
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Mainly because of the wider userbase, if a device needs some custom handling, it gets added quicker.

sour shadow
#

I'd expect that ZHA will remain for Zigbee

rough mason
#

If my assumption is wrong, then yeah it might be a stupid idea

sour shadow
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There's likely to be a separate integration, since ... well, it's a different thing

rough mason
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OK, well I guess it can still be something I do down the road if anything changes. I do like Z2M

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Thx guys

nova flint
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From what I can see, migration should be pretty easy though

shadow shard
#

Where do i need to start when i want to add options to a ZHA device. It currently only offers On/Off while zigbee2mqtt offers the entire range. I don't want to swith yet to another integration: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/HG06467.html

winged granite
#

I have multiple Sonoff SNZB-02 devices. Some of them are working perfect. Two of them just ran out of battery so I changed them yesterday. Now they are online again but since they are back they just show one single temperature value which i not possible. They are just stuck at one specific temperature value and nothing changes. Can I reset them in any way or does anybody knows this problem?

mellow geode
#

Allow joins and re-pair the sensors

cloud bolt
#

Which zigbee thermostats are recommended for ZHA? For me it would be important that it can either use an external temp sensor (unlikely I guess) or there is a way to set an offset from the internal temperature value (done by an automation).

spiral lagoon
#

Hi! I'm using Conbee II and trying to add Sensor in Phoscon. Not working AT all. I'm using Aquara Door and Window Sensor. Got it to work a while back, but not anymore... Not sure what im doing wrong tbh

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I've got deCONZ running on HA

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Funny... tried it just now... and now it was added...

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I tried like 30 times yesterday

sour shadow
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The ConBee really needs to be on a USB extension cable

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Also, Zigbee2MQTT or ZHA are better solutions than deCONZ

spiral lagoon
#

Would the extension cable make it better in some way?

viral quarry
#

Uhh ZHA doesn't see my lamps

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how do I put them in pairing mode so it sees them...?

#

I tried using the ikea button dimmer thing but it doesn't do anything besides repairing to itself

#

Do I need to bring the server up to the lamp or something lmao

spiral lagoon
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I have to have my lamps rather close to it and put it in pairing mode again.

viral quarry
#

damn it

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thanks.

spiral lagoon
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Welcome!

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Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-04 12:36:04: Error: Failed to connect to the adapter

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port: /dev/ttyACM0

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Not sure what i'm doing wrong here tbh.

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I did "ha hardware info" and it returned DEVNAME: dev/ttyACM0

sour shadow
sour shadow
spiral lagoon
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Thank you Tinkerer! I'll order one now

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Yes, deCONZ is stopped

sour shadow
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You may have to tell Z2M that it's a ConBee

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Expand the ConBee line

viral quarry
#

even if the antenna is right up the lamp

spiral lagoon
#

Did you reset the lamps?

viral quarry
#

I'm trying to but unsure if I'm doing it right

spiral lagoon
#

What lamps do you have?

viral quarry
#

ceiling circular tradfri something

spiral lagoon
#

So you have Trådfri from IKEA

sour shadow
#

Images of text nauseated

spiral lagoon
#

Haha, sorry @sour shadow, but i couldnt copy the error msg 😉

sour shadow
#

What's the error from?

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and did you forget how YAML works?

viral quarry
spiral lagoon
#

VS Editor.

sour shadow
spiral lagoon
#

Haha, hard to please this guy 😄

sour shadow
#

That's often wrong about things

#

Also, you missed the point of the docs

# 
serial:
  adapter: deconz
``` from the Z2M docs
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That looks nothing like what you did

spiral lagoon
#

I checked that one, concering the configuration.yaml?

rapid dawnBOT
#

YAML is the mark up language used by Home Assistant, consistent indenting (two spaces per level) is key. Here is a primer, and this explains multi-line templates. For validating YAML see YAML Lint.

sour shadow
#

And you forgot how YAML works...

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Indenting is key

spiral lagoon
#

I did copy paste from that one...

sour shadow
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No, you didn't

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Or if you did, VSCode screwed you over

spiral lagoon
#

I did

sour shadow
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Nah

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Nowhere does it show serial: deconz

#

You made that shit up

sullen hull
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where is the configuration.yaml located? i am connected directly to haos now

spiral lagoon
#

Ah, sorry - yeah, that line i did change. But even without that change, it still throws errors.

sour shadow
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Well, of course it does

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Because serial: isn't part of mqtt:

spiral lagoon
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I'm getting Property base_topic is not allowed

sour shadow
#

Are you screwing around with HA's configuration.yaml or Z2Ms?

spiral lagoon
#

HA's

sour shadow
ashen coral
#

Damn. I was a second too late to say that

spiral lagoon
#

Ah sht... hahaha

sour shadow
#

You need to be editing the right one

ashen coral
#

Oooooor, you can make all the changes in the z2m gui

sour shadow
#

So much easier

sullen hull
ashen coral
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~/config

sour shadow
#

Assuming you're asking about HA's config file

ashen coral
#

Oh, right... look at the channel name, Thomas.

sullen hull
# ashen coral ~/config

that directory doesnt exist. no such file or directory. i am connected straight to home assistant with a keyboard and monitor. then i did login

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wrong channel sorry ;/

spiral lagoon
#

So, i've now added the YAML-code to configuration.yaml in zigbee2mqtt/configuration.yaml. It currently looks like this:

#

homeassistant: true

MQTT settings

mqtt:

MQTT base topic for Zigbee2MQTT MQTT messages

base_topic: zigbee2mqtt

MQTT server URL

server: "mqtt://localhost"

MQTT server authentication, uncomment if required:

user: my_user

password: my_password

Serial settings

serial:

Location of the adapter (see first step of this guide)

port: /dev/ttyACM0
adapter: deconz

rapid dawnBOT
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```yaml
example: here
```
Don't forget you can edit your post rather than repeatedly posting the same thing.

spiral lagoon
#

Not sure, but cant send the message if i do that formating?

sour shadow
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Sure you can, or you can use a code share site

spiral lagoon
#

I got the code color thing, but whenever i try to submit it - it wont?

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-```yaml
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-04 13:08:24: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman
´´´

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That's how im doing. Without the - in the start, obv.

clever cedar
#

Hello guys, Is it true that unplugging the coordinator and leaving all the rest of the devices for 1hour can heal the mesh network?

spiral lagoon
#

Think i got it to work now.

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@sour shadow Thank you for your help! Much appreciated!

sour shadow
ashen coral
#

That will usually trigger a rebuild of the network, yes. At least in my experience.

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Though not if you are using a Conbee I with a several year old firmware version.

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At least in my experience.

viral quarry
#

got it to work, just one more thing, it should be possible to connect the tradfri buttons as well and use them as inputs right?

sour shadow
#

If they're Zigbee then you can, whatever the brand

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Worst case is that some work may be required to add support

viral quarry
#

awesome!

spiral lagoon
#

AriWee i think that the remote doesn't work, might have changed tho. But it didnt before. So i had to use HUE switch. But please let me know if it does 🙂

viral quarry
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will try

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I hope it does

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would be really cool

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I'm too emphatic and will feel bad for the remote if it doesnt

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lmao

spiral lagoon
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Just tried with my controller, didnt work

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I think that one is for WiFi tbh. So the other one might work

viral quarry
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Awwh I have the same one

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you using ZHA?

mellow geode
spiral lagoon
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Oh it does?

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I just tried to add it, but it didnt add

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Using Z2M. Just added Aqara-stuff, all worked fine

viral quarry
#

Same, trying rn

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holding the pairing button does nothing

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right next to the antenna too

lilac wharf
#

You have to press the pairing button four times IIRC

viral quarry
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lets try

lilac wharf
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Then the red light will pulse

spiral lagoon
#

Shit... that worked

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😄

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Thank you!

viral quarry
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it worked

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thank you too!

spiral lagoon
#

I've had this in the drawer for like, 6 months. Figured i could use it 😄

viral quarry
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Yeah it's a cool little thing

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now I can use it for stuff

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maybe even dim the whole apartment

spiral lagoon
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I belive it's a pulse-switch function

viral quarry
#

it registers turn on/off and dim function

#

at least that's what the logbook says

#

it's not an entity

mellow geode
#

For ZHA, you can use device automation triggers. Just specify Device as a trigger and then select the switch/remote

lilac wharf
#

That, or event triggers

viral quarry
#

I'm so bad at this

open jasper
#

hey, all of my ZHA remotes (not motion sensors or door sensors) have randomly stopped working twice this week. No updates were performed between when they worked and stopped and all new batteries. Is there something I can do beyond removing and repairing them all every few days?

tropic depot
#

what kind of remotes?

open jasper
#

RWL020
by Philips

mellow geode
open jasper
mellow geode
#

Did you add any new routers or changed anything else on your Zigbee network recently?

open jasper
#

And removed a bunch also

grim igloo
quaint rose
#

I have been looking for a guide to smoothly migrate from z2m to zha but have not found one. Any suggestions or tips ?

austere patio
#

Anything mains-powered should be picked up eventually (or immediately if you power cycle them) but a lot of battery-powered devices enter deep sleep after they've joined a network so they may not be picked up very easily without button clicking

grim igloo
#

assuming I need to send the payload i could use a bit of hand-holding

quaint rose
grim igloo
#

in the docs it literally says to use ```yaml
{
"hue_power_on_behavior": "on", // default, on, off, recover
"hue_power_on_brightness": 125, // same values as brightness
"hue_power_on_color_temperature": 280, // same values as color_temp
"hue_power_on_color": "#0000FF" // color in hex notation, e.g. #0000FF = blue
}

as the payload yet it's a smart plug and has no brightness and color temp or color (just red/green led inside i think)
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not really sure what i'm supposed to do here

lilac wharf
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Have you tried it? I assume it's just a result of Philips not intending for their stuff to be used with anything other than the Hue bridge. Set power on behavior to whatever you want it to be from those options and leave the other values the same as the example

grim igloo
#

no im legitimately confused with steps to take

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am i supposed to use like mqtt explorer to actually send a command to it?

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or am i able to do this in z2m ui?

lilac wharf
#

Yeah, MQTT explorer or HA would be a couple of options

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I don't think there's a way to publish arbitrary payloads from the z2m UI

grim igloo
#

i guess i just expected there to be a more user-friendly option within z2m

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i did the full payload pasted above and i see set=on hue_power_on_behavior in the mqtt explorer window so i guess it worked?

lilac wharf
#

Publishing the payload did at least

grim igloo
#

i unplugged it and plugged back in and it seems to have worked

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feels fucky but it is what it is lol

lilac wharf
#

Just Philips being different. There's an attribute in the genOnOff cluster in the Zigbee spec that can be used to set power on behavior for a device. If the device uses that, it can be exposed to the z2m UI easily. Philips doesn't use that and uses something proprietary instead i was wrong, see here: <#zigbee-archived message>

grim igloo
#

the feels fucky part is needing to manually publish a payload outside of z2m to change what should be a very simple setting

lilac wharf
#

And I assume no one has bothered working it into the UI for the Philips stuff

grim igloo
#

when googling it seems zha also doesnt have a simple ui option for this but maybe i missed it

lilac wharf
#

That being said, click on the device in the z2m UI and go to Exposes and see what's there

grim igloo
lilac wharf
#

Yeah so it's not exposed to the UI then

grim igloo
#

😢

#

so after moving the plug i shouldnt need to do anything for it to get new routes right? just let er sit and it'll do it on its own?

lilac wharf
#

Generally, yes

grim igloo
#

does clicking the reconfigure button force it to update routes?

raven jewel
#

I think only if pairing is on, it will re-pair (without losing data, unless you unpair it first).

grim igloo
#

i thought that was only the case with battery powered devices

austere patio
#

Routers just do routing on their own, I don't think there's a way to force it other than rebooting the device

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They continuously update routes

grim igloo
#

ah okay

#

so in theory as soon as you plug it in to a new location it'll be getting new routes anyways

lilac wharf
#

Some devices require additional configuration after pairing. The reconfigure button just attempts to do that again

gaunt flume
#

Hi
So I just installed Zigbee2MQTT on a pi in docker and notices something - when I change settings though the frontend (or the file for that matter) and restart the container then it says "Error: startup failed - configuration-adapter mismatch".
However, when I delete the "coordinator_backup.json" file it starts again but I lose all my connected devices.
When I restart the container without changing any settings it works fine.
Is this intentional behaviour?

mellow geode
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Z2M implemented that option really early, likely because it wasn’t available in any other products at the time and possibly because it provides extra features (like startup color) too.

gaunt flume
#

its still pretty stupid because the mesh network needs to be recreated

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and all the names are messed up

sour shadow
#

I've never seen that happen myself... it's an odd one

lilac wharf
#

IIRC, Philips does some proprietary stuff with their remotes, so I thought I also remembered that they deviate far from the spec with their lights too. I could be wrong regarding the remotes too though

warped pebble
#

so here's a fun one, I have had 3 Aqara FP1 sensors working great for months. I recently re-did my zigbee network using a sonoff p dongle and at that time switched the network channel to 25. I re-paired all my devices including the Aqara's. All was well. However I wanted to redo the network to use a randomized network key, except now the aqara's refuse to reset. I've also just discovered that the z2m documentation says those sensors don't support channels 21-24. I'm on 25 so i should be ok, and it was working before. Have I just entered them into some sort of loop where they can't be reset anymore?

mellow geode
uneven fable
#

Hi all, got myself a Zemismart ZM25RX-08/30 (https://www.zemismart.com/products/zm25rx-08-30) and it appears to have paired successfully with zigbee2mqtt however I am trying to work out how to set the limits. The instruction sheet only talks about doing it with their remote or app (which requires their zigbee hub).
Have had a quick google but nothing seems to stand out if it can be done directly on the motor itself or via zigbee2mqtt.

raven jewel
#

For my IKEA blinds I have to double press the button when it's fully extended and then it moves the blind up and down a little to indicate it understood. Maybe the same thing works?

uneven fable
#

Tried that but didn’t seem to work - but now it also appears I’ve got up and down reversed so gotta fix that first 😂

potent gulch
#

Anyone faced the same problem as i have (just 1h ago). My zigbee sockets, those what have been working for 6 months now... Just stopped taking remote controls. If i push button from socket, the info comes to HA, and it knows is it on or off. But cannot control from HA?

hearty night
#

anyone got a line on some good zigbee relaying multicolor lights ?

grim igloo
warped pebble
#

I was literally listening to the coil whine of my usb brick to tell when the sensor had moved into some sort of paused state

grim igloo
#

i was like wtf im following the directions just do it

warped pebble
#

that makes me feel less crazy

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but there was just 0 visual feedback

grim igloo
#

Yep

pastel pelican
#

hello

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new to home assistant

misty oasis
#

so i created separate network without tuya devices as suggested here, but still ikea button cell devices stop working all the time, no matter what battery is in

cyan pewter
#

You may have poor signal in that case

misty oasis
#

180 lqi

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it just stops sending anything to the network

#

are there some bluetooth buttons that work with esphome bt proxy and HA?

#

180 directly to coordinator even, that is

raven jewel
#

Yesterday I updated the firmware on my Zigbee co-ordinator, and today it seems that my battery powered devices (Aqara ones for sure) are not communicating with the stick properly requiring a repairing (no deletion first necessary).
Is this expected or did I do something wrong? I made sure to shut down the host and unplug the dongle, flash it, and then plug it back in and boot up the host which seem to be what the guides say to do 🤔

raven jewel
lilac wharf
wary cradle
#

I’m having trouble setting up my conbee stick. I’ve followed a few tutorials but still keep getting these in my logs.

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Oh I cant upload a picture of the logs

raven jewel
wary cradle
#

Well I keep getting errors setting up entry for conbee

lilac wharf
raven jewel
#

How are you trying to use Conbee?

wary cradle
#

To setup a Ikea motion sensor on HA via pi4

raven jewel
#

And are you still in the returns period? Because if so, there's better cheaper devices out there

#

And you're trying to use it with Deconz?

wary cradle
#

I am

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I tried sending you the logs but can’t add you

lilac wharf
#

Just share the logs here...

wary cradle
#

…I can’t

lilac wharf
#

You can't copy and paste text?

rapid dawnBOT
#

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wary cradle
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Oh wow I didn’t realize that was even a thing

lilac wharf
#

Copying and pasting text? || jk I know you're talking about code sharing sites ||

wary cradle
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Logger: zigpy_deconz.api
Source: components/zha/core/gateway.py:172
First occurred: 10:45:37 AM (3 occurrences)
Last logged: 10:45:47 AM

No response to 'Command.read_parameter' command with seq id '0x02'

grim igloo
#

Name a better duo deconz and hass

wary cradle
#

That was the first one (in chronological order) of the logs from setting up the conbee

lilac wharf
#

Tbh if you can return the Conbee and get something else (like a CC2652-based stick), you'd probably be better off

raven jewel
#

Any CC2562 based stick + Zigbee2MQTT is my preference

lilac wharf
#

Also is your Conbee on an extension cable?

rapid dawnBOT
#

@wary cradle I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
raven jewel
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I'm using Sonoff Plus right now, cheap, easy to flash, and works with Zigbee 3.0

grim igloo
#

Well as time goes on the e series will be looking more promising

lilac wharf
#

The P and E are essentially equivalent

grim igloo
#

E has the new chip with eventual matter support no?

lilac wharf
#

P supports thread

grim igloo
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I guess it’s either or tho you can’t run both off one stick

rapid dawnBOT
#

@wary cradle I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
lilac wharf
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Is the Conbee on an extension cable?

wary cradle
#

No

rapid dawnBOT
lilac wharf
#

Get an extension cable for it

wary cradle
#

I’ve been using pastie?

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Idk how to use it properly I guess?

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I’m sorry

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What does an extension cable have to with its inability to start deconz ?

lilac wharf
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Interference

raven jewel
#

You didn't paste it into pastie and then share the pastie link here, you just pasted the whole text into here

lilac wharf
#

EMF from the machine it's plugged into

wary cradle
#

So much so that it causes ha to not open an application?

lilac wharf
#

The Conbee is apparently very sensitive to interference, but it's a good idea to use an extension cable for any zigbee stick (and I assume zwave)

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Yes. The stick can't form a network, so the entire thing fails

wary cradle
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Got it

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And where is that in the logs?

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Like how were you able to determine that it’s being interfered

lilac wharf
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Couldn't start deCONZ = dresden elektronik deCONZ protocol: ConBee I/II, RaspBee I/II coordinator (attempt 1 of 3)
Couldn't start deCONZ = dresden elektronik deCONZ protocol: ConBee I/II, RaspBee I/II coordinator (attempt 2 of 3)
Couldn't start deCONZ = dresden elektronik deCONZ protocol: ConBee I/II, RaspBee I/II coordinator (attempt 3 of 3)

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I'm not saying with 100% certainty that interference is the reason, but it's likely

wary cradle
#

I just put the conbee on a 10 foot usb extension

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Fingers crossed!

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Didn’t work

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Looks to be the same thing

#

So interference is not it cause the conbee is currently 6-7 feet away from the pi4

lilac wharf
#

Well, EMF isn't the issue at least. Is it near a WiFi access point at all?

wary cradle
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Roughly 6-7 feet

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Yes

lilac wharf
#

That could also be it. Again, very sensitive to interference apparently

wary cradle
#

Feels like I’m going up a dead end with interference

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Any other ideas?

lilac wharf
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Yeah, return it and get a better zigbee adapter heh

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Assuming it's returnable

grim igloo
#

conbee deconz con* isnt suggested here and lots of people have issues

wary cradle
#

Send an Amazon link

grim igloo
#

i think deconz has their own discord if you want to troubleshoot that more

wary cradle
#

For a better one

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Nah screw it

grim igloo
wary cradle
#

I went with the first thing I saw on Paul Hubert’s bullshit

grim igloo
#

ya

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ya that guy is an idiot

wary cradle
#

Yeah

lilac wharf
grim igloo
#

he's a "youtuber" not a tech guy

wary cradle
#

He’s a shmuck

grim igloo
#

and he kinda looks like a serial killer so there's that

lilac wharf
#

Dude's such a clown lol

#

The pelvic thrust is so fuckin weird

grim igloo
#

i havent watched enough to know that

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and now i wish i didnt

lilac wharf
grim igloo
#

i recently started a youtube channel about hass but i only have a couple videos up and i suck at editing

#

davinci resolve is crazy

wary cradle
#

Ordered

grim igloo
#

sweet

#

lots of us use that p stick and it works well

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it'll still need to be on a usb extender like suggested above

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you can 3d print a nice lil holder for it if you have a printer

wary cradle
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Great I’m excited to get the ikea motion sensor kicking off automations

grim igloo
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ye

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you can spend some time researching zha vs z2m (zigbee2mqtt)

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figure out which route you want to go with the stick

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if you have hue or ikea bulbs you might want to move the bulbs off their hubs and onto z2m/zha

wary cradle
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I have a TON of hue producfs

grim igloo
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that'll improve your mesh with mains powered devices acting as repeaters

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sweet

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i moved 40+ devices from hue to z2m and it's working flawlessly

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the hue hub started falling over at 40+ devices

wary cradle
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I didn’t think I can move off the hue hub

grim igloo
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you cant use the hue app anymore

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but it was laggy and shit in my experience

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you can recreate the color scenes and stuff in hass via scenes or scripts

wary cradle
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What do you mean the app doesn’t work?

grim igloo
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the only real downside is you lose their ability to sync to music if you use the rgb bulbs but from what i've seen it's shit

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well you arent gonna be paired to their hub so how is their app gonna work?

wary cradle
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Oh I thought you meant generally speaking

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What about the tv led light expansion?

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My tv has the hue strips behind it and they’re connected to a Phillips box that’s taking the signal from my hdmi

sterile sleet
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keep gradients on the hue hub

grim igloo
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wow that is an expensive not-great setup tbh

wary cradle
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Lolz