Try reading https://www.home-assistant.io/ then
#the-water-cooler
clever mortar
analog salmon
i dont understand. So this can only be done on a PI?
last dirge
it's good you're interested but if you've only got the context from a YouTube video then you're going to have WAY too many questions
go read the general info on the site
noble pivot
RUN Home Assistant on a Pi/PC etc and View/Use on your iPad/iPhone
analog salmon
to run on a Raspberry Pi or a local server. ohhh
last dirge
if it sounds good and something that'll still interest you, read more specific stuff
clever mortar
i dont understand. So this can only be done on a PI?
You can run it on anything of sufficient power that runs/can run Linux. The HA site has docs to explain all the basics.
Start with Getting started
analog salmon
http://homeassistant.local:8123/ doesnt work...
last dirge
read for comprehension
deft pewter
Can we go back to shitposting?
last dirge
are we not?
oblique jay
Can we go back to shitposting?
Please!
analog salmon
oblique jay
So I installed the app, when does my au pair come?
deft pewter
deft pewter
Support question belong in support channels ๐๐ผ
last dirge
what if the whole world farted at once?
deft pewter
It'd move south. More people up top.
last dirge
what is "south" though?
tame sand
thats where people say "australia" is
inner vault
I read an explanation about how star ships always seem to meet up in the same planar orientation, because all ships are equipped with a "universal down detector" that is a robot that just flips buttered toast and adjusts for down to be the side that the toast lands on - south would be similar.
tame sand
tame sand
I read an explanation about how star ships always seem to meet up in the same pl...
i like it ๐ค
clear ferry
https://open.spotify.com/track/28sMmBCmfHoy6NjZnovEYG?si=LdccdCG7RoiktGkElMmxYA&utm_source=copy-link
night zodiac
dumb weather. all of my packages are late
deft pewter
atx will let you touch his
last cedar
Re: fart question earler. If everyone faced against the direction of the earths rotation, and farted at the same, would the force of the collective fart be enough to stop the earth turning?
last plaza
Yes. If everyone can fart at 1,000 miles per hour
last cedar
Like that
Is that what it would take?
7 billion people
Can someone do the maths
last plaza
Well, earth rotates around 1,000 miles per hour... it requires at least that + some more Iโd imagine. ๐
But before the earth stops, everyone might die of greenhouse gases ๐
last plaza
"natural" anal jetpack lol
last cedar
3 words I never would have thought could make a sentence
But here we are
Now I just have to work out how many farts equal 1 of those rockets
last plaza
Looks like you got great potential to join SpaceX
forest edge
last plaza
๐คฃ force is strong there!
last cedar
deft pewter
First thing that came to mind when I saw that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FArZxLj6DLk
paper rose
anyone on here who writes C/C++ and is familiar with STMCUBE_IDE ?
deft pewter
That's a highly specific question.
The answer is almost definitely no... I reckon there are better servers for that.
Oh, and...
velvet horizonBOT
brazen root
Guys. Silliest question.
Does anyone have a good spotify playlist for.. coding? Like chill, background music.
deft pewter
I listen to stuff like this when I code. Probably explains my crappy code.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1E8EJsQENeZtHe?si=AgyeK6lVShCVW5YYcaANZA
Or if I want something cheery... Alestorm ๐
clever mortar
My playlist varies from day to day/hour to hour
clever mortar
This afternoon started with https://open.spotify.com/track/745RHtUOB8KIetZUqQ4zEZ
clear ferry
https://open.spotify.com/album/5QPEiKncTuVzgtrZ6inc6C?si=692oDExzSUiiBnxBNjnhSw&utm_source=copy-link
clear ferry
This is some amazeballs btw, I've listed to it for over 20 years, I won't stop
https://open.spotify.com/album/4VwjpjXz6mi63IYV3Td5HQ?si=3oxceWDkRGavNWOuHrRZJg&utm_source=copy-link
clear ferry
deft pewter
I've gone down too many rabbit holes on Spotify. It's algorithms feed me weird shit all the time now... and I love it.
clever mortar
Yup
brazen root
Thank you all ๐
brazen root
https://open.spotify.com/album/5QPEiKncTuVzgtrZ6inc6C?si=692oDExzSUiiBnxBNjnhSw&...
oh my god Robert Miles, such a flashback
brazen root
Or if I want something cheery... Alestorm ๐
Fuck your code with an anchor, I take it? ๐ดโโ ๏ธ
deft pewter
That's one of the cheery ones, yes ๐
clear ferry
I've gone down too many rabbit holes on Spotify. It's algorithms feed me weird s...
My wife gets a disturbing amount of Finnish ompa polka on her discover weekly
Reminds me of walking into a room full of docker users who use watchtower, same feeling
deft pewter
Do you mean Ievan Polkka? https://open.spotify.com/track/0iOQiZ4u83IDrufOZGaWld?si=Cz-hqfyhQ9W40RJtG3GTLg
clear ferry
Make us updated again Isaac
deft pewter
Please continue to use Watchtower.
And please continue to update us when it breaks things... for our entertainment and so we can tell everyone 'we told you so' ๐
cedar chasm
That works for me ๐
deft pewter
E's gone Australian ๐ฎ
cedar chasm
Just have someone mess with the docker hub images for Home Assistant, mosquitto, zigbee2mqtt, zwavejs2mqtt or emulated-hue
deft pewter
Very safety conscious. Even thinking about damage to their retinas from strong sunlight.
cedar chasm
I light a candle to their dedication every night before bed
Then the sprinklers go off and it's extinguished
brazen root
So, if anyone of you like PHP. I'm trying to grab the price of a cryptocurrency from this json-page. I can get is printed successfully by requesting the price directly ($btc_price = $price_array['data'][1]['quotes']['USD']['price'];)
But what if I have to search through the json knowing only the name (BTC) and not the ID. How can I then return the price?
deft pewter
Then you'd use a filter/map or whatever PHP happens to call it.
brazen root
I've been trying to searhc using in_array, but I'm thrown off by the second level (numbers).
deft pewter
Then flatten the array
clever mortar
I'd recommend borrowing an elephant for that
Less mess than dropping a whale on it
brazen root
if my vscode plugin wasn't named Intelliphense i'd be even more confused by that
deft pewter
In fact, no need to flatten. Each item in the array appears to have a single key (the variable number), which has the object you're looking to test.
I don't know PHP but I'd be surprised if there wasn't a way to pick the first key.
brazen root
The stackoverflow-posts I've seen suggested doing a foreach down in the array.
foreach($price_array['data'] as $data) {
Why waste time with a loop when a filter will do? https://www.php.net/manual/en/function.array-filter.php
brazen root
so maybe there's a $data[range function] or something.
deft pewter
Finding the matches in an array is literally what filters are for.
You just need to come up with a callback function that takes an item in your associative array, figures out the first key (my earlier link), then navigates to that key and checks if the value (the object with your stats) has a key name with value 'Bitcoin'.
deft pewter
I remember hacking around at forum software years ago. Never took it seriously.
forest edge
phpbb ftw
deft pewter
I'm sorry
forest edge
i'm not, I like familiar
forest edge
this having to relearn new shit every few years is for the birds
and if you think phpbb was bad, should have tried doing the flash forums
deft pewter
I'm just gonna stick with JavaScript for a while. Front-end - check. Back-end - check.
More and more features coming, so it's never gonna die ๐
clear ferry
Every few years? I learn five new products every year
deft pewter
You call those vibrators new products?
deft pewter
Meh... it served a purpose. But yeah, it's matured plenty, especially in the last few years.
It's amazing what you can build without going near what the old farts would call a 'real programming language'.
So quick to build things when you don't have to stick to all the rules. Just risky too.
forest edge
last few years try dealing with it since the early 90's
I remember the websites that used it.. shit was like aids on internet
deft pewter
Haha. I only got into proper development quite recently. All the stuff back in my teens was just tinkering.
Been a full-time dev for 4 years now. For those 4 years, JS has been plenty good enough. I do mostly NodeJS now - big stuff that you wouldn't have dreamt of using JS for in the past.
forest edge
I use nodejs for my discord bot
deft pewter
It's neat, right? File I/O, HTTP, all the cool stuff that 'JS can't do'
And npm is glorious. There's a module for everything ๐
forest edge
not really dived into it beyond what I "needed" to know lol
last plaza
You can write discord bot in less than 15 lines of code.
last plaza
Ping bot or a really smart 8ball bot ๐คฃ
deft pewter
I made a really simple Reddit bot because people piss me off ๐
It's got more karma than me. ๐ข
forest edge
lol reddit karma
deft pewter
I know it's pointless. It's just funny that my bot is more popular than I am ๐คฃ
forest edge
pretty sure mine is in the negative on there
my local city people are stubborn and dumb
deft pewter
clear ferry
clear ferry
deft pewter
When I said I still haven't been billed for AWS Lambda... that bot runs on Lambda ๐
Scheduled to run every few minutes, pick the most recent comment that says 'underrated command' and talk to them like the dumb fucks they are ๐
clear ferry
Make us whole again Isaac
forest edge
damnit! the custom calendar card poofed!
tidal bronze
@forest edge damn it GTS, even Elon Musk is playing with Playdough now. You are missing out ๐
forest edge
@tidal bronze elon musk can afford to play with playdough lol
@tidal bronze btw finally got around to playing with frigate. I have it shut down atm cause I still don't know wtf i am doing lol
tidal bronze
Awesome. New version is complete with UI simply great. In a few months will replace the need for NVR.
forest edge
yea i have the ui one
it seems to be heavily intended to be installed on the same machine as HA but has mqtt
yet to get the mqtt part to work on a remote machine
tidal bronze
Use the integration no need for mqtt
forest edge
on an rpi, you lost your damn mind
I don't have a coral device atm
right now my i7 can handle it without the coral for one camera just fine
forest edge
but I need to get the mqtt part to work lol
I get he went that route
and for a nuc i am sure it's fine
but who the hell would use this on an rpi without coral
tidal bronze
Why rpi in the first place ๐ค
tidal bronze
Are you waiting for the nuc to get 23 years old before you think it's good to use it.
forest edge
these are the great mysterys of life
why would I get a nuc, that is overpowered for what I need lol
tidal bronze
I know you like old shit. Perhaps you are waiting for new shit to get old
forest edge
please the rpi5 is gonna smoke all the nucs you watch
tidal bronze
Good for those who get wet over pi
forest edge
everyone likes pi, if you don't you are simply forsaken
do you have frigate record clips and all of that?
tidal bronze
Yep
forest edge
or do you have iot trigger an nvr to record?
tidal bronze
Now all clips and stuff on frigate. Don't use the NVRs to do any viewing.
forest edge
you don't randomly like to pull up the feeds to look at?
I don't think I could do away with an nvr completely
even with frigate having an ui
tidal bronze
Not really. Nothing eventful here. ๐คฃ
forest edge
but in my case the frigate is for one camera of the 4 i have anyways so thats mute lol
tidal bronze
Front door zoned person triggers to telegram is all I need.
forest edge
lol telegram
tidal bronze
So it's coin and a half for a Tesla. Who would've thunk ๐
rare condor
I wonder what the "hack" was...
midnight adder
whats the best channel to ask about supervisor addons?
rare condor
torpid grove
what's the best channel to ask about apache2 reverse proxy? ๐
clear ferry
The best idea is to switch to Nginx or swag @torpid grove 
Best regards a 20 year old Apache user who saw the light
clear ferry
It was... Different
Old habits are old to break
Just saw this post on Instagram, and all I thought was jesus fucking interference Faraday cage hell
But what can you expect from people who have a homey
clear ferry
Because one can only support so many devices
They get rubbish after 50 or so children I believe
But that Faraday cage and the adjacent interference probably helps a lot
forest edge
dunno why you guys think everything that is metal or grid looking is a faraday cage lol
clear ferry
Well, it is metal on all sides except the glass door, the rack is probably grounded, so actually it is a beam enclosure, signals can only go straight out
dusky plank
considering every house around here is wrapped in a steel cage, they should also be faraday cages then. i have wifi reception though 50m from mine
clear ferry
Those "cages" aren't grounded or solid
dusky plank
i have one steel plate in my ceiling, there I can really get no signal... even 4m from the router
forest edge
what makes you think that rack is grounded?
celest gazelle
If it's a proper installation a rack containing electronic equipment should always be grounded
clever mortar
So... 90% 100% probability it's not then
celest gazelle
๐
but if we're talking radiowaves, putting radio transmitters in a rack with metal walls will reduce the coverage in some areas. Also a homie where you cannot change the zigbee-channel and two hue bridges and what looks lika an accesspoint in such a close space will probably work but would not be considered an optimal placement
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
You should ask that kind of question in your install method channel, rather than the one place that explicitly excludes all support related questions ๐
obsidian geyser
You should ask that kind of question in your install method channel, rather than...
I apologize
subtle pasture
Goddamn Bitcoin and Ethereum are taking turns being absolute rocket-ships right now...
I just cracked 10x returns on some of my DCA purchases
subtle pasture
Yeah, I'm not gonna get into mining...
It makes way more sense to just purchase a fixed dollar value of crypto at fixed intervals, similar to contributing to a 401k
tame sand
its not a recommendation. but its a good indicator if something is overpriced
subtle pasture
Just let that asset appreciate over time
tame sand
It makes way more sense to just purchase a fixed dollar value of crypto at fixed...
depends on the liquidity ofc
subtle pasture
torpid grove
The best idea is to switch to Nginx or swag <@569957312463372289> <:JodieScronc...
I have so much set up in Apache already, including other things that use websockets. This is not the channel to debate it, which one is?
torpid grove
I followed instructions from the HA site, not from a network admin site
deft pewter
The HA site didn't tell you to configure Apache ๐คทโโ๏ธ
torpid grove
It did
deft pewter
I must've missed that part of the official instructions. Could you share a link?
deft pewter
This guide has been migrated from our website and might be outdated
It's old. No longer valid.
So... unsupported ๐
torpid grove
The same site that told me about the discord
deft pewter
If you want support on this server, you need to be up-to-date and follow supported installation methods. If you don't, you're on your own.
Besides... networking falls outside of HA. That's the wild west, as far as support here goes.
torpid grove
This is clearly the channel for useless jerks, whereโs the one for reverse proxy questions?
velvet horizonBOT
deft pewter
Just because you don't like the answers you're being given, doesn't make anyone a jerk.
subtle pasture
Note: Apache isn't very performant as a reverse proxy. NGINX and HAProxy are usually preferred
deft pewter
We're happy to help with HA stuff (in the relevant channels). Network admin is not HA stuff.
It's expected that you're able to manage your network. There are other places for help with that if you need support.
torpid grove
I was belittled first. But Iโm the new guy, so thatโs ok?
deft pewter
I saw no belittling.
torpid grove
Condescension is a form of belittling
deft pewter
I missed the condescension too ๐คทโโ๏ธ
torpid grove
You and Jonah both did it
deft pewter
You have your answers. Move along.
tame sand
wtf
torpid grove
I must've missed that part of the official instructions. Could you share a link?
Here
deft pewter
I'm not allowed to ask for a link? ๐ค
torpid grove
yeah thats what i thought
And here
deft pewter
I think you need to take a step back from the keyboard and cool off.
Stop talking before you say something that'll get you banned.
torpid grove
I think you need to understand that youโre basically the first contact with people for me as a new user of something that you seem to care about and that you made me feel unwelcome.
No need to ban, Iโll show myself out
subtle pasture
@torpid grove What mono is trying to say is that #the-water-cooler is basically exclusively for random non-support-related discussion and shitposting. You'd probably get more help in one of the support channels
tame sand
he is gone already...
subtle pasture
oblique jay
This is clearly the channel for useless jerks, whereโs the one for reverse proxy...
I actually think this post was on topic for #the-water-cooler ๐
deft pewter
I would've been willing to give a few hints if they hadn't taken that tone ๐คทโโ๏ธ
subtle pasture
_votes we rename #the-water-cooler to #uselessjerks _
subtle pasture
In all honesty... that name change would absolutely reduce the number of support questions we get in here
deft pewter
You're probably right
subtle pasture
Wetware problems like that are always fun to solve
deft pewter
Wetware?
subtle pasture
Wetware = Brain
Hardware, software, wetware
As an example: I wrote an app for work that will automatically repair and reinstall our remote support tools, even when they get horribly mangled. All you have to do is enter the Location ID corresponding to where the computer is deployed (all Location ID's are unique), and the app does the rest.
Our engineers kept confusing Client ID and Location ID. They'd enter a Client ID into the clearly-labeled Location ID field, and the agent either wouldn't deploy (Location ID invalid), or would deploy somewhere random (the client ID they entered matched an actual Location ID, but not the one they intended).
The fix?
I added a Client ID input field (which does absolutely nothing except check that it's not empty) above the Location ID input field.
There has not been a single incorrect entry since
deft pewter
Yeah, people are dumb. All of us.
storm patrol
on Github what's the best way to handle an issue that was previously fixed and closed, but is happening again? I've made a comment on the old issue but it's been a few days. Should I submit a new issue? not sure of the best approach.
subtle pasture
Sometimes you need to tweak the software so that the wetware stops getting shit wrong, is all I'm saying ๐
A simple labeling change can fix all kinds of administrative overhead
deft pewter
on Github what's the best way to handle an issue that was previously fixed and c...
If you left a comment, be patient. The devs are busy.
tidal bronze
@subtle pasture thanks for the heads up on dodge coin few weeks ago. ๐
subtle pasture
You make some windfall off that?
tidal bronze
Indeed.
subtle pasture
I didn't do much with doge, but my BTC and ETH earnings are through the roof
Between Tesla and DeFi, shit's crazy right now
tidal bronze
Yep. I went in when you mentioned and got out on Sunday. Cleared a pretty penny.
opaque girder
I didn't do much with doge, but my BTC and ETH earnings are through the roof
I was too late with ETH but damn BTC I'm enjoying what I am seeing
subtle pasture
Honestly, if you're doing the DCA thing, it's never too late
Just invest and hold
storm patrol
If you left a comment, be patient. The devs are busy.
well aware the devs are busy. was just curious as to the best approach.
subtle pasture
There are projections for Bitcoin hitting $100k per-coin by the end of the year. It already topped its own all-time-high twice in the last month
tidal bronze
JPM says that too. But 100k is not by end of year.
subtle pasture
It was at $48,200 earlier today
Nearly half way there
@tidal bronze Well, whenever it hits it. I'm in no hurry
tidal bronze
Me too. Lol
subtle pasture
The longer it takes, the more I can invest before it gets there
If we get another stimulus, I'm tempted to just... put the whole thing into Crypto and let it ride
What's going to get really weird is when a single satoshi is worth more than 1 cent
Though that won't happen until Bitcoin is worth $1,000,000 per-coin, so we've got some time
tame sand
or we get hyper inflation that would make things faster ๐ค
clear ferry
tame sand
i love that aprox 20% of all usd existing were created in 2020 alone...
i am no expert but for me it looks like they're on a good track
clear ferry
https://open.spotify.com/track/1z7CU091xitmOwjzeATjX3?si=LtnWgfeKRpqcTUE2dJkqdg&utm_source=copy-link
subtle pasture
i love that aprox 20% of all usd existing were created in 2020 alone...
Yeah, that's concerning... bodes well for having crypto, though
deft pewter
Isn't one of the biggest issues with crypto scalability? Blockchain's a neat idea but it's not going to handle billions of transactions.
last cedar
subtle pasture
A) Nothing stopping it from handling billions of transactions, and B) it doesn't necessarily need to.
deft pewter
Fuck me. Just saw the forecast for the next week. It's now supposed to hit -9ยบC ๐ฎ
deft pewter
A) Nothing stopping it from handling billions of transactions, and B) it doesn't...
But it'll either remain a niche thing or it'll have to scale that many.
subtle pasture
If you want to spend it like cash, there's always Bitcoin Cash, or Litecoin, or Lumin, etc.
deft pewter
It all works on the basis of a distributed ledger, right? If systems can't keep up, it's going to fail.
clever mortar
Fuck me. Just saw the forecast for the next week. It's now supposed to hit -9ยบC ...
That warm?
deft pewter
I know it'll be worse up your way... but -9 will be the coldest I've ever seen in the UK.
clever mortar
We're due for about -16 or so, maybe a bit colder
last cedar
clever mortar
That's about the second coldest I remember it ever being
deft pewter
But I'm not in the gulag.
last cedar
I biked in - 16 this morning. Took my lungs about 3 weeks to unfreeze
subtle pasture
It all works on the basis of a distributed ledger, right? If systems can't keep ...
I don't see why it wouldn't be able to keep up. Coins other than BTC have already solved this problem.
deft pewter
I thought it was a limitation for all of them, to be fair.
opaque girder
-5 last night here ๐ฅถ
clever mortar
When I was a kid it was cold enough that the trains froze to the tracks and the diesel in the trains froze - not sure what that was
deft pewter
I also can't imagine any nation switching to crypto if it's not backed by something.
subtle pasture
And it's possible to "fix" BTC so its transactions are as fast as newer coins, but it'll require a network-wide update.
last cedar
Don't think I remember more than - 5 when I lived in England. 9 is extreme
clever mortar
It was -9 here the other week, that was pretty neat
last cedar
But you are north of where I was
deft pewter
Don't think I remember more than - 5 when I lived in England. 9 is extreme
Yeah, even the north east doesn't really dip below -5 often.
deft pewter
We have the Gulf Stream keeping us warm most of the year.
clever mortar
You just need to move further out of the built up areas, it gets nice and cold further out ๐
deft pewter
Haha, colder? Last year I remember days in January that reached around 15ยบC
last cedar
Has it been turned off because of Brexit?
deft pewter
It's becoming more erratic. I think that's why the preferred nomenclature is now 'climate change', not 'global warming'
opaque girder
EU will build a wall to keep the UK off the gulf
last cedar
Nasty EU
opaque girder
but it's top secret don't tell anyone
subtle pasture
I also can't imagine any nation switching to crypto if it's not backed by someth...
I imagine some nations won't have a choice if their own economy collapses
deft pewter
So you think they'll embrace a bubble instead?
last cedar
I wonder how how far off that is, and for how much of the world
subtle pasture
Just saying it's real easy to switch to crypto when your own fiat currency is suddenly worth less than the paper it's printed on.
last cedar
Economy is not my strong side
subtle pasture
Like, you literally can't stop your citizens from using it at that point
deft pewter
You can prevent it being accessible to the majority. And countries whose own economies crash out like that are typically not the ones with an internet-connected computer in every household or smartphones in everyone's pockets.
subtle pasture
Oh, you can use cryptocurrency without an infrastructure
Paper wallets are a thing. You can mint physical bitcoins
deft pewter
I'm not bashing you for investing in it. You're doing well out of it right now. But the only people saying good things about crypto are the ones profiting from its rise. It will crash.
subtle pasture
Hell, you can even MINE bitcoins with a pencil and paper
It'll be slow as balls, but you don't actually need a computer...
0.67 hashes per day, it turns out. lol
subtle pasture
I'm not bashing you for investing in it. You're doing well out of it right now. ...
I've heard the same doom and gloom during the spike in 2018
It didn't crash to 0 then, either
deft pewter
What's 'doom and gloom' about it? It's not backed by anything and its value is entirely artificial.
It's literally all hype.
deft pewter
Doesn't hurt that Papa Musk tweets about it...
subtle pasture
So you could always go with those...
wet pilot
USD isn't backed by anything
deft pewter
So the gold reserves don't count for anything?
subtle pasture
@wet pilot You could make the argument that the US itself is collateral
subtle pasture
But yeah, we haven't been on the gold standard in a long, long time
deft pewter
TIL
subtle pasture
Stablecoins are a neat thing. They're backed by either a physical asset or fiat, allowing you to effectively trade them on the blockchain
USDCoin is literally US dollars AS crypto
There are also gold-backed crypto currencies, which allow you to effectively trade gold bars as crypto
So if you really love the gold standard...
Gold-backed crypto tokens continue to rise in price as sourcing gold itself during the coronavirus-induced downturn is reportedly getting more difficult.
Demand for Paxos Gold (PAXG) and Tether Gold (XAUT), two of the most liquid gold-backed token projects, has surged this week. Both blockchain-backed tokens each represent a legal entitlement to one ounce of gold stored in institutional vaults. Both tokens are redeemable for physical gold.
The uptick in demand comes as traditional gold suppliers face shortages and difficulties in bringing physical bullion to the market, according to reports.
You'd be riding a similar wave right now if you were holding gold-backed crypto
So there you go, there's some crypto out there that's potentially more-stable than the US dollar, and fully backed by actual physical precious metal ๐
last cedar
Gonna invent raccoon coin, brb
deft pewter
I'd buy that.
forest edge
it's like collector shit. it's only worth anything to someone willing to pay for it. unlike actual currency which is accepted by the majority and unlike actual collector shit which is accepted by considerably less crypto floats in the middle
opaque girder
Gonna invent raccoon coin, brb
give me some
dusky plank
don't be so harsh on raccoons
forest edge
anyone who invested in bitcoin wants everyone to knwo they are cause the more "fad" they drive the more it likely to become more valuable
opaque girder
RaccooCoin should be the name
forest edge
but like all fake shit, it will come crashing down sooner or later
subtle pasture
@forest edge Or we're also worried about other stores of value collapsing, and want to diversify our financial portfolio so we don't have all our eggs in one basket...
subtle pasture
or, you know, trying to avoid the depreciation of your own local currency
forest edge
wut
inner vault
also as a transactional currency, bitcoin is garbage, how long does it take for user A to send user B $20 and then user B to send it back to user A - how much does it cost them in transaction fees?
forest edge
you depreciate your own local currency by investing in crypto
subtle pasture
@inner vault Depends on which coin you're talking about. There are coins designed specifically to be used as cash, with instant transactions
@forest edge The USD was losing buying power year-over-year long before crypto...
subtle pasture
Not really, I just DCA it, same way I use my 401k
inner vault
I'm pretty solidly anti-crypto (admittedly, partly because I don't have a bunch) but also because most of the driving forces behind it are illegal or immoral - human trafficking, drug trafficking etc and it is wickedly, like catastrophically terrible for the planet on an environmental level.
forest edge
jordan that is any currency tho lol
inner vault
True enough, but the "anonymous" part lends itself to black markets very wll
and most of its initial value stemmed from that desirability
subtle pasture
Crypto isn't actually that great for money laundering. All transactions are 100% public. The only anonymity is that a wallet ID is hard to tie back to a person
inner vault
but you can cross a border with a few million in crypto
subtle pasture
But once you tie an ID to a name, it's game over, you can see EVERY transaction that person ever made, and every transaction those coins were ever involved in
inner vault
and offline wallets don't need any ID tied to them, if it's a value store that turns slaves and drugs into other things you never need to cash out of an exchange
but this is the big one for me "The researchers estimate that in 2018, every $1 of Bitcoin value created was responsible for $.49 in health and climate damages in the United States."
and that was two years ago - mining is way more power intensive now than it was then
subtle pasture
Paper wallets are a representation of what's on the blockchain. Moving a coin onto a paper wallet doesn't make it any harder to trace
inner vault
but if you can't link it to a real person, tracing doesn't matter
subtle pasture
That's true of any currency, though...
inner vault
but you can't move from one country to another with $1M value of any other currency without setting off alarm bells
subtle pasture
Assuming you already have $1M in crypto, because transferring $1M USD into crypto is also a pretty large financial event
Also, being able to move freely with your funds is one of the key advantages to crypto
inner vault
but if it's a value store that's used by drug traffickers and slave traders the USD value in and out isn't the issue at that point because you're trading both for the value store, then breaking it up into smaller transactions later etc
subtle pasture
Also, I don't buy the argument that "just because something can be abused means it's inherently bad"
inner vault
ok, what about the environmental impact?
The moral implication is just one of the reasons I choose not to use it.
subtle pasture
That part sucks, though miners are VASTLY more efficient now than they used to be
forest edge
more effiecitn? you refering to the warehouses of shit running?
crypto miners need to die in a fire plain and simple
inner vault
I also choose to avoid purchasing from companies that deal in exploitative labour practices etc, this is just another aspect of that.
deft pewter
Stops downloading mining software
subtle pasture
Most large mining operations have moved to ASIC miners. Getting a return on investment with graphics cards is a bitch
forest edge
tell that to the fucks buying up all the rtx cards ONCE AGAIN
inner vault
most large mining operations are data centers in rural china turning coal into fake money ๐
subtle pasture
But yes, mining now is actually a lot more efficient than it used to be (though the total size of the operation has also scaled up)
Building dedicated chips that do nothing but crunch SHA-256 as efficiently as possible helps...
deft pewter
What about another perspective... what good does all that computation do? F@H is brilliant. Does crypto mining bring any of the same advantages?
subtle pasture
@forest edge COVID is more to blame for the current shortage than miners. Nvidia (and AIBs) literally can't get the components they need to build the cards
Valve is having the same problem with the Index. It's back-ordered 4+ months because they literally can't get some basic components needed to build the headset
The component shortages are starting to effect auto manufacturers now, as well
@deft pewter Depends on the coin. Ethereum is a blockchain based coin, but it's also a distributed computing network
There are literally apps (hell, even an MMO) that run on Ethereum
tame sand
And it's possible to "fix" BTC so its transactions are as fast as newer coins, b...
also there is the lightning network....so you wouldn't even have the amount of transactions
subtle pasture
Yeah, lightning is another solution ^
forest edge
<@!104768700069990400> COVID is more to blame for the current shortage than mine...
bullshit once again, it's not diffrent than what it was a few years ago. these miners gloat about the racks upon racks of hundreds of rtx cards mining away that they post pictures of thier setups
subtle pasture
Not bullshit at all...
forest edge
the companies just simply aren't producing x amount more than normal
subtle pasture
Multiple vendors pre-purchased large quantities of basic ICs early in the pandemic. Supplies are already spoken for, on top of the fact that production is down.
forest edge
miners aren't buying direct. they are snagging shit off the shelves and using bots to purchase shit online
deft pewter
There are literally apps (hell, even an MMO) that run on Ethereum
I'd hardly call it 'running on Ethereum'. They're just using the blockchain as a public ledger. Businesses need to stop making up these crazy use cases just to justify crypto.
subtle pasture
Right, but what I'm saying is the supply of cards is lower than it should be
on top of the miners and scalpers
deft pewter
Blockchain is only good for crypto. I've yet to see another business case for it.
tame sand
ok, what about the environmental impact?
soley depends on the consensus algorithm...POW is bad (BTC) ... POS (ETH 2.0) as good as visa
deft pewter
So blockchain and crypto are literally there for people to speculatively invest in.
forest edge
not seen nvidia or amd mention any shortage, the only thing they spoken about was that they weren't going to produce "more" than normal
tame sand
most large mining operations are data centers in rural china turning coal into f...
thats simply not true
forest edge
and stop trying to defend miners. they are a cancer lol
tame sand
i literally work part time for one of the biggest mining companys world wide
subtle pasture
@forest edge There's literally a GDDR6 shortage... which these new cards use
Can't sell cards if you can't populate the memory pads
And apparently it's gonna get worse
inner vault
literally an article from bitcoin.com talking about how coal shortages are fucking up mining operations in China https://news.bitcoin.com/chinas-coal-standoff-causes-power-shortages-chinese-bitcoin-miners-heavily-affected/
tame sand
China has a lot of mining that is true. Most of them as containers in "sichuan-China" running on hydro energy because its simply the cheapest option (even saw 1.2$ct/kwh there once lol)
In the dry season, the bigger firms transport their farms to other parts were they mainly run on coal.
deft pewter
200 million ๐ฎ
inner vault
"Two-thirds of bitcoin production is done out of China. More than half of Chinaโs energy output comes from coal, so the bitcoin production is likely to be particularly dirty. "
tame sand
No. Two thirds if you take pools into account.
most pools are run in china
and because they are the biggest, farms from all over the world mine there
Also companies like bitmain have their own pools and buyers have contracts which include managing the Hashrate over the company pool
forest edge
@subtle pasture shortage is used to include trying to produce enough cards to accommodate both ends. which wasn't possible before and won't be possible now
no matter how you slice it, 1 person owning hundreds of rtx cards and there are dozens upon dozens out there doing the same shit is not a shortage of components issue but fucking greedy cocksuckers issue
tame sand
the thing is the new rtx cards aren't even that profitable... they suck alot of power and are quite expensive... additionally eth mining stops completely 2021 because they switch to eth 2.0
so you can bet that if eth prices are going down, alot of used cards will flood ebay
forest edge
oh yea just like it did last time
so some kid can buy some overworked pos card cause there weren't any of the shelves new to get
and to make it worse, alot of those ebayers were price gouging too
I wanted to buy a card during the last headache, i know all too well how it went
ended up having to wait awhile after the fad crashed
subtle pasture
At least Nvidia hasn't caved and made mining-only cards this time
Which are all now basically e-waste
inner vault
so like those ASIC miners? ๐
subtle pasture
ASICs tend to have longer production lifecycles than graphics cards, is the thing
Lesser of two evils, as far as mining goes
tame sand
so like those ASIC miners? ๐
also they are way easier to recycle and you can reuse the PSU Cooling and case ๐
still think that mining won't work forever though. it eventually has to stop... POS is a much better solution and new ones like Avalanche Consensus are trying to solve the problems POW has
subtle pasture
Strictly speaking, you eventually run out of coins to mine
But you still need miners to keep the network running
deft pewter
So... it'll crash?
tame sand
Or go up because transaction fees have to compensate.
subtle pasture
No, but then miners go to a model of running off of transaction fees, rather than mining rewards
And that shift happens slowly over time as the rewards die off
deft pewter
So you end up with a finite number of coins in circulation and the exchanges skimming a fraction off each transaction as fees... until there's nothing left in circulation and the exchanges have it all?
subtle pasture
Also no. Why would you assume the exchanges would hoard it and never spend any?
deft pewter
As there are fewer and fewer left in general circulation, there has to be inflation, right? Eventually hyperinflation.
Well when they spend it, someone takes a cut too...
The exchanges end up skimming each time ๐คทโโ๏ธ
subtle pasture
Right, but the transactions should be significantly larger than the fees
deft pewter
And yet national treasuries around the world have vast reserves of cash from those small deductions they take from us.
And... they have to print more money to keep things turning.
What happens when you can no longer 'print' crypto?
No more quantitative easing for anyone.
subtle pasture
You divide it. it's just a number
deft pewter
Divide it? So... inflation.
subtle pasture
Bitcoin is already divisible down to 8 decimal places
deft pewter
Hi, Zimbabwe. Got any economic advice for us?
subtle pasture
Uh, that's the opposite of inflation...
Bitcoin will (eventually) have the problem of each coin being so valuable that the smallest unit of value is still too large
orchid rose
with bitcoin you'll end up with deflation
deft pewter
Is that better?
orchid rose
is it worse?
subtle pasture
But there are already ways to spend fractions of a satoshi, so... that's already sorted...
deft pewter
I don't know, I'm not an economist ๐คฃ
subtle pasture
That's why I mentioned the 1BTC == $1,000,000 milestone being an interesting one. At that point, 0.00000001 BTC == 1 satoshi == 1 cent USD.
subtle pasture
Heh, I remember Antminers.
deft pewter
The power of tracking cookies... I looked up Airpods on some UK-based stores this week. AliExpress now want to sell me Airpod accessories.
cedar chasm
Pot shouldn't be all corporate, maaaaaan
orchid rose
lol
last plaza
@clear ferry is this your house? https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/lg1zaa/mememansion/
deft pewter
That's... horrendous.
clear ferry
bitter pawn
thats assuming @clear ferry is a man of culture. he is not.
last plaza
clear ferry
naive aspen
Hellooo
I am new to all of this and very excited to test out room assistant tomorrow :))
deft pewter
Welcome and have fun. Don't forget to check out the support channels if you have questions.
And feel free to talk about non-HA stuff in #the-water-cooler ๐
clever mortar
Though, this is Home Assistant, not Room Assistant ๐
last dirge
laughs in studio apartment
cedar chasm
Paradoxically this would be the only room where it would be appropriate to gab about Room Assistant, as long as it wasn't in a support sense, n'est-ce pas?
deft pewter
Eh... I don't see how Room Assistant is much different to monitor in the sense that it's commonly used with HA for presence detection. Talking about that would still be a support discussion ๐
cedar chasm
hahr, I didn't think it was actually a thing ๐
clever mortar
Today is a good day then ๐
deft pewter
Yeah, it's a clever little app. Smaller scale version of monitor. Instead of tracking if you're home or not, its aim is to track which room you're in. Just means having more 'trackers' around the home.
clever mortar
Well, it also does home/away
The big downside is that unlike monitor you can't control it over MQTT
cedar chasm
Seems a bit more granular than anything I need but luckily people get to be different from me
It's all perfectly legal
Then again, this time in November I didn't need automated window blinds or smart lighting either
cedar chasm
deft pewter
I love that gif. Especially where he falls down after his 47th drink.
cedar chasm
Bender's a well centered character
forest edge
currently trying to get an automation to work in HA is making me want to jump out a window
deft pewter
proof that jedis know nothing
forest edge
too much rust, makes the brain cells die
clever mortar
forest edge
@tidal bronze making some headway on frigate but don't like how you can't get snapshots without the damn detector square indicating person or whatever
wait I may have found the setting for that
opaque girder
<@!331255319365812224> making some headway on frigate but don't like how you can...
you running that with a coral or?
looked promising but haven't tried it yet
forest edge
@opaque girder nah running it on my old I7 using the cpu
only doing one camera so it seems fine
opaque girder
surely i7 could handle more than one
thorny crescent
<@!331255319365812224> making some headway on frigate but don't like how you can...
Have you ever used Blueiris? You can do object detect with AI plugins just wondering how it compares
naive aspen
Though, this is _Home_ Assistant, not _Room_ Assistant ๐
true but i want home assistant for room assistant (and ofc other things lol)
anyone here using room assistant and is happy with it?
clever mortar
That'd be a question for another channel ๐
DrZzs has a channel just for Room Assistant, though it's mostly quiet in there
forest edge
@thorny crescent no that costs money and I am one cheap ass
thorny crescent
<@!797741144699043871> no that costs money and I am one cheap ass
Hahah. Iโve been using it for a number of years and love it. Iโm now using HA to trigger the different profiles
eager geyser
Off-topic, but is there any way to get the MAC adress of my pi?
clever mortar
Yes
A whole bunch of ways you can get that, depending on the OS you run on it
And, if you don't, the router's DHCP table, or an nmap sweep, or just ping and arp
noble pivot
type "ip address" and it should show you (assuming linux)
eager geyser
Yes i have HA running on it
Im not sure how i can run python code inside the hassos with ssh
clever mortar
Then this is a topic for #330990055533576204
Please read the channel topic - no support here ๐
noble pivot
Thats looking like a support question for #330990055533576204 and I don't run the HA OS but if you can ssh to it you should be able to type the command as above.
keen kite
hey
keen kite
Would it make sense to buy zigbee switches so my z wave network can stay clean and fast so it communicates to my schlage z wave lock at it's best?
clever mortar
Well, more Z-Wave devices == stronger mesh, but #zwave-archived is the place for more advice on that ๐
last cedar
@thorny crescent BI is fantastic
thorny crescent
<@797741144699043871> BI is fantastic
Iโm running 12 cameras on it. Does awesomely on an old HP box
last cedar
last cedar
@hushed basalt thanks
cunning hawk
Which home security system has the best integration with Home assistant ?
velvet horizonBOT
deft pewter
#integrations-archived is a good place to ask about integration.
rancid wharf
Anyone played with creating video from day lapsed photos? I want to record weather sensor data by day as well to visualize โhow the garden growsโ
dusky plank
i make videos out of images my camera captures when motion is detected, every day.
what do you need?
deft pewter
Maybe #cameras-archived would be a better place for this.
opaque girder
I attempted to do a whole tree growing from 6 months worth of pictures. Quite interesting
yet difficult from the very different weather leading to really diffferent brightness etc
forest edge
then at the 6 month mark you realized.. holy shit.. it's a tree.. wtf am i doing?
deft pewter
You should ask @clear ferry about this stuff. He's always taking pictures of small things
๐ค
rancid wharf
@deft pewter @dusky plank I use camera as welI. I was looking for how to dynamically make the images into time lapsed video and sync sensor data to that. Itโs my understanding the lounge isnโt for HA talk and also Iโve found no functionality for creating and publishing this kind of data so this seemed like a place to start
dusky plank
motioneye is perfect for that,
you can overlay text and adjust the text with api calls to it
#cameras-archived though, that's what mono suggested
rancid wharf
I attempted to do a whole tree growing from 6 months worth of pictures. Quite in...
At a high level, what did you use or do? I see examples of video created from snaps but no way of indexing it
clever mortar
I use if for timelapse of all cameras, because why not
deft pewter
Yeah. We could talk about it here but there's a channel dedicated to it... so use the expertise of the people there.
They might be able to tell you how to rotate your profile picture too.
rancid wharf
Itโs the way I intended it. Thanks for noticing. Now ask me why?
rancid wharf
motioneye is perfect for that,
you can overlay text and adjust the text with api...
Thatโs what I was looking for was how to solve this a different way. I was picturing the data in one place, snaps, in another and a need to Mary it up. While that would still be a little better because I could chart that weather data but inching it in the video is something I can do. Thank you
subtle pasture
https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-its-a-trap-admiral-ackbar-gif-16834474
That might be the best / most-appropriate use of that gif I've ever seen
Bravo ๐
unborn grail
3d printer/ Capacitive touch sensors/ esphome / HA. Waiting on 2mm pin headers to wrap it up. But man how easy and how awesome!
dusty palm
I have data being plotted by grafana, when my outdoor humidity doesn't change (it reports a whole number) grafana isn't drawing the next point, is that HASS or grafana deciding not to do that?
deft pewter
Sounds like a support question ๐ค
velvet horizonBOT
deft pewter
You want... #analytics-archived
dusty palm
OK I'll try there but I may have sorted it
deft pewter
Sneak attack
low harness
How do you multiboot nowadays?
Does UEFI have a bootloader menu built in somehow? Do I need to install grub?
I want windows 10 and a couple of linux distros.
Will the debian installer just take care of everything for me?
oblique jay
Years ago GRUB auto detected Windows, so I would guess that is still the case.
If you install Windows first and then Debian, I think it will work of the box.
subtle pasture
The issue is when Windows installs a new build, it tends to screw up dual boot royally
New builds == in-place upgrade
last plaza
Why multiboot when you can use WSL2?
subtle pasture
Very similar to doing a complete OS upgrade (e.g. Windows 7 to Windows 10) every time one of those rolls through
Why multiboot when you can run a virtual machine?
Which... yeah, WSL2 qualifies as
last plaza
There is a little bit overhead, but the pain you have to go through shrinking volumes, and setup and maintain...etc.
oblique jay
Why multiboot when you choose Linux every time anyway?
forest edge
holy hell does it take awhile to update an rpi3 these days lol
subtle pasture
There's always the option of running Linux from VHDX, similar to what the "Wubi Ubuntu" installer used to do
Create VHDX > Add VHDX to Windows Bootloader > Installs Linux inside the VHDX
Then your entire Linux install lives in a file on the host's filesystem, and can be natively booted, or booted in a Hyper-V VM
Then you won't have to deal with partitioning, and the whole Linux install is portable
Really though, just turning on the Hyper-V feature and running Linux side-by-side with Windows is easiest. I haven't bothered with actually dual-booting a system since virtualization became a thing
Note: Hyper-V is a true type-1 hypervisor. When you enable it, the original Windows install you enabled it from becomes a virtual machine as well
last plaza
holy hell does it take awhile to update an rpi3 these days lol
Pi3? Are we in the past?
I need to try pico one of these days
Why the heck they say pico is only $4 when it is $13 on Amazon, and no prime shipping!
opaque girder
I need to try pico one of these days
try running HA on it ๐
last plaza
I used to run my HA on RPI years ago... no, thank you very much ๐ @opaque girder
subtle pasture
@last plaza Don't buy it on Amazon...
Adafruit is the way
Oh... already sold out
Ok, well, that's why the price has gone up. Supply vs. demand
last plaza
The demand has gone up more for these DIY electronics since the pandemic.
forest edge
the pico is being called the cheaper alternative to the audrino
which after seeing the prices around here I can see why lol
sonic ice
Just came by to say Tiny Cam Pro is awesome and it's far better for my Wyze Cam Pans than the native Wyze app. lol. I wish I'd known this earlier. Native app is awful and slow.
tawny orchid
Good day
clever mortar
Was reading that this morning. It's a bit of a let me count the ways you screwed up
hushed basalt
Pay peanuts get monkey feces in your face
clever mortar
Yup
molten osprey
A friend of mine has โa Google Home Nest thingโ they use to control the lights. She is wondering if an authorized person (family member) can use such a device to listen to whatโs going on in the room itโs in. I have no idea. Hoping somebody here might do?
orchid rose
I would think not. #voice-assistants-archived might know better
The device only listens in (=records) when it hears the trigger word
molten osprey
Yeah, thatโs what I would think too. Not sure you can install eavesdropping apps on those things ๐
I will get the exact model and ask as suggested. Thanks for the comment, @orchid rose
drifting meadow
ok so dumb question sorry, im just not understanding the directory structure so i have \config\custom_lovelace\weather-card i add to lovelace resources /config/custom_lovelace/weather-card/weather-card.js and restart but when i try and add a custom card it says it doesnt exist. am i doing something wrong with the directory structure the guide said put it in \config\www then use /local/custom_lovelace/etc.. im so confused
wrong place sorry
dusky plank
low harness
Is there a โgetting started with wsl for fallen *nix userโ or something?
dusky plank
i recently found a pretty awesome script which sets you up with a gui fully automated
https://github.com/DesktopECHO/xWSL
you have to know that wsl2 is kind of a schizophrenic system besides your host, it uses a different interface to communicate (different ip ofc) but the host FS is mounted in a 9p virtio fashion
acoustic goblet
hi, i've been running HA in a docker container on my raspberry pi 3 booting off a SSD for over a year now, yesterday out of blue it crashed and I can't ping/ssh or I cant even connect to it via HDMI/LCD monitor
can someone plz give me advice ? is this a hardware failure of the raspberry pi itself?
dusky plank
no support in this channel
acoustic goblet
which channel should i be on?
dusky plank
is it a single container? -> #449717345808547842
else #330990055533576204
if you setup supervised, youโd propaply know then -> #330944238910963714
acoustic goblet
ty
night zodiac
@low harness https://github.com/lextm/windowsterminal-shell a nice script if you start to use windows terminal
last dirge
thatsracist.gif
lapis cipher
Is there a โgetting started with wsl for fallen *nix userโ or something?
been running WSL for long time, i'm still on WSL1 as i haven't had any need to update (or just been lazy), its great, i love it. Installing is so darn easy and its up in no time. Not sure about your fallen part thou.
Best part imho is the host makes all the "company integrations" (such as cloud storages, etc) completely transparent for the subsystem linux so i can access anything in the cloud from my wsl as previously it was more of a copying files around between the systems
shy comet
yea im still using wsl1 myself...dont see a reason to switch either
lapis cipher
no its all different, its fully virtualized and what not
I know you are all perfectly fine Googling around but here's the differences anyways: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/compare-versions
If this is new for somebody and you're a Windows user with Linux needs, this just might be for you, might as well forgot those clumsy "download iso, setup virtualization, install.."
hushed basalt
Wsl2 is great
I'm on a mac for work now, I miss it to be honest
I'm having such a hard time adjusting to mac, I might see if I can dual boot Linux
last dirge
isn't it BSD?
hushed basalt
Mac really is nothing like a Linux desktop
deft pewter
I love working on a Mac ๐
I don't know enough about Linux to go full Linux... but Linux-lite is okay.
hushed basalt
I find your typical linux gnome environment much closer to windows than mac tbh
Window tiling, normal ctrl functions, etc
None of this pinky acrobatics
last dirge
pinky acrobatics?
subtle pasture
isn't it BSD?
It's Darwin, which has its roots in BSD, but has diverged in a number of ways
last dirge
kinda apropos that it's evolved
subtle pasture
I'm having such a hard time adjusting to mac, I might see if I can dual boot Lin...
Easier to just install VMWare or Parallels and run a VM, than to bother with dual booting
lapis cipher
hence the WSL sits superbly in between the both worlds, i already hate both vm and even more anymore today any dual booting when things can co-exist
deft pewter
WSL only helps if you're coming from Windows ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Lots of us devs get handed a Mac on our first day.
lapis cipher
however there's a place for each and there's no wrong
deft pewter
But even if you don't like the OS's UI... just live in the terminal.
lapis cipher
that's either nice or stupid, depends ๐
I mean, imho it should be up to the individuals to pick their preferred tools to make most out of it
deft pewter
I'd disagree strongly with that. You want everyone on a product working with the same tooling.
We had one guy working on a Windows machine because that's what IT gave him. His only option to work with our tools was a VM running Ubuntu... and even that had compatibility issues. He couldn't run our build scripts ๐คทโโ๏ธ
So we had one guy that couldn't do his full job just because of the choice of machine IT gave him.
If you have a nice split like UI guys using one stack and back-end using another stack, I could see that working...
lapis cipher
There's the mistake already, there shouldn't be any relation between the users computer (which essentially is a keyboard and display for entering the code) and running anything, that happens elsewhere
thought if you code for that particular platform, be it mac here, its a bit different i agree
deft pewter
Not sure I'd call it a mistake. You want to run stuff locally for quick development. And you want everyone's environment to be consistent.
I develop AWS stuff, and it all runs on whatever their version of Linux is... so we could all develop on Linux machines instead of macOS if we wanted - as long as we all developed on the same environment.
Arguably, it'd be even better if we shifted everything into Docker dev containers... but we're not there yet with our codebase.
lapis cipher
That's what i meant, your machine is merely a keyboard and display to produce code, testing and all the rest happens elsewhere. Should your machine break, no worries, just get a fresh empty one and you can continue pretty quickly
deft pewter
Nah, some testing still happens locally...
lapis cipher
but there's really no right or wrong here
deft pewter
I'm not gonna push to a CI pipeline every time I want to check something.
lapis cipher
its all up to requirements and local ways of working
if it works for you, no point changing anything
deft pewter
CI is great but it's not a replacement for local tests.
Fast feedback loops and all that jazz.
hushed basalt
Aws dev on windows is super easy
Wsl2 is just ubuntu/fedora etc as far as any tools are concerned
Arguably better than mac since mac terminal is unixy but wsl2 is true linux
And wtf is with macbooks not having a forward delete key
lapis cipher
Personal preferences, people should use whatever they feel most comfortable. I suck with Mac so my productivity would go down for some time but nothing that one couldn't learn in relatively short time to get into speed and all the fancy shortcuts will follow naturally over the time
subtle pasture
hence the WSL sits superbly in between the both worlds, i already hate both vm a...
WSL2 is a VM, though ๐ค
lapis cipher
My workstation has nothing to do with the boxes on the receiving end, there's plenty of Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS, AWS Linux, etc. and they are very similar once you take those few differences into account, packaging systems and so forth
lapis cipher
WSL2 is a VM, though ๐ค
It is yes, i meant the traditional "install vmware, download iso, mount it,..." as i think said around that sentence ๐
hushed basalt
It's very light weight on the windows hypervisor
It's nothing like running ubuntu in VirtualBox etc
Just open terminal and it's there
Just open vscode and it's there
subtle pasture
I still wish they'd kept improving WSL1 rather than turning it into a VM with WSL2, honestly
hushed basalt
Why though
subtle pasture
WSL2 now requires you run everything on top of Hyper-V, which has performance implications for the original "host" OS
hushed basalt
Hardware is cheap, recreating linux inside windows from scratch is expensive
subtle pasture
I'd rather not have to take a minor performance hit to use WSL2, is all I'm saying
hushed basalt
Wsl2 is wayyyyyyy faster than wsl1
subtle pasture
No, not WSL, Windows...
hushed basalt
It's just chalk and cheese
subtle pasture
Turning on WSL2 converts WINDOWS into a VM, too
hushed basalt
Yes but actually doing things inside wsl2 is lightyears ahead in terms of performance
lapis cipher
dunno about speed, that tiny terminal doesn't require much, i don't need a linux desktop for anything but all those familiar *nix tools
subtle pasture
Hyper-V is a Type-1 hypervisor, everything has to be a VM, including what used to be your original Windows install.
Now, that said, the performance hit has gotten better over time. When they first added Hyper-V in Windows 8, it was terrible
hushed basalt
lapis cipher
wow
hushed basalt
I'd trade 0.5% in os performance for 1000% linux performance increase anytime
subtle pasture
The hit is as bad as 2.5% in some applications, but yeah, that's WAY better than it used to be
It literally used to tank real-time 3D performance
Hmm, this test suite didn't test any games. it's 90% synthetic benchmarks that don't test 3D at all ๐
hushed basalt
shrug I don't game haha
lapis cipher
oh, i have playstation open, back to the warzone rumble, its fun
hushed basalt
I don't work and play on the same computer anyways
subtle pasture
In the memory benchmark it is about 8% with DDR4-4000.
The loss in the cache benchmark is between 10 and 25%.
That's... still pretty bad ๐
Those were AIDA64 results ^
But yeah, point is, none of this was a concern with WSL v1
hushed basalt
I'd been getting a bit fed up with windows as an OS for other reasons though
Like their hostile analytics, marketing
Although linux desktop environments are pretty gross
I wish I could just hire the Win10 UX designers and developers to build a desktop environment on ubuntu or something
Just the heart of win10 with bare metal linux underneath and none of the "marketing" spyware and crap
subtle pasture
Oh hey, VMWare managed to resolve my other major gripe with WSL2: https://blogs.vmware.com/workstation/2019/08/workstation-hyper-v-harmony.html
Enabling Hyper-V would prevent you from running any other virtualization software, including VMWare Workstation
Looks like 15.5 will run nested
I do kinda wonder how far we are from Microsoft enabling Hyper-V out of the box on desktop Windows
Legacy app needs special compatibility considerations? Into a VM / container it goes.
hushed basalt
If MS could actually be trusted it would be nice if everything was containerised
Explicit permissions for what your apps can access
But MS is mining all that shit anyways so the whole privacy and security argument goes out the window
scenic plume
I'm not sure where to ask this question. I was about to order a raspberry to transition away from smartthing hubs. But today the home assistance web page changed and it list ODROID first in the list of the getting started. Is the long term plan to support the ODROID more than raspberry?
scenic plume
Disregard. I ordered a pi. I'm done with smartthings
opaque girder
There is no plan really. Both will be supported equally ๐ It's only a preference/suggestion
scenic plume
Thanks, now to order the zwave usb
last cedar
midnight adder
Setup all my RGB lights to adjust kelvin temperature throughout the day, from 1K at 21:00 to 6K at 13:00
Helps with melatonin production, improving sleep
Used following Home Assistant plugin to set it up
https://github.com/claytonjn/hass-circadian_lighting
tawny orchid
Good day
rare condor
@hushed basalt I am working on production servers running Windows XP. SCADA networks are ruthlessly insecure due to proprietary nature and deployment with older hardware
hushed basalt
It's almost as if decades of industrial automation technical debt is catching up to us :(
subtle pasture
@hushed basalt It doesn't help that an entire industry has sprung up around supporting outdated software
"You don't want to invest in a bunch of new hardware and software? That's cool, you can contract with us and we'll bleed you dry slowly, over time :D"
hushed basalt
Image result for no thanks we're too busy
last cedar
cedar glacier
lmao guys i setup some prerolls on my plex and one of them is an FBI seizure notice
deft pewter
You mean that's a video that pretends they've seized your server? ๐ค
low harness
Ok. So apparently that new pi thing is fast enough to bitbang dvi. That's pretty nice for a stick-of-gum form factor.
cedar glacier
You mean that's a video that pretends they've seized your server? ๐ค
basically, before a movie starts, it will play a random video from a folder. like netflix has their netflix logo preroll etc. i have a bunch of sexy plex logo animations but this one is also in there for giggles
last dirge
slothamphetamine
lapis cipher
oh, now it rolls, it didn't earlier
alright, got rid off the family, wonder how i should spend my quality time.. ๐
tame sand
Seems like UK is now advertising to move and work in UK.
"Talents and Hardworking people now have priority no 1 in the new point based immigration system."
Lol
Is it that bad over there? ๐ค ๐
noble pivot
Maybee we should not have told them to leave in the first place. Just a thought!
lapis cipher
Yeah, they were nice folks after all ๐
noble pivot
Of cource ๐ Also cos its freezing here, heating of a doors open while a heating engineer does his thang.
last cedar
So, if a raccoon falls out of a tree in a forest, and no one is there to hear it. Does it make a noise?
๐ฆ
๐ฒ
โฌ๏ธ
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dull chasm
yes but only poor coon hurts and hears it
so i am buying tires for truck ....i need donations ....$1400 for tires
lapis cipher
One tire?
dull chasm
no 4 .....that would be crazy for one
lapis cipher
like the latter better ๐
deft pewter
If the first one didn't have that tacky gold effect, I'd prefer it. As they both stand, I'll take the truck tyres.
People thinking all these body kits and bling make their cars look cool ๐คข
glad crow
hellloooo HA nerds. i'm an HB nerd, here to be convinced of why HA is better. anybody care to enlighten me?
deft pewter
Nope.
glad crow
i don't have specific questions, i'm speaking generally. i was hoping that somebody might explain why "it is"
i have a highly functioning HB setup, i'm wondering what HA can do that HB can't, or what it can do better
lapis cipher
What is HB?
glad crow
homebridge
lapis cipher
oh, thanks, i'll have a look out of curiosity
starting point i suppose being more of a apple world
clever mortar
Well, the docs will give you a lot but HA is about flexibility and control
You want to #integrations-archived your Tesla, or some Sonoff bulb, or #zigbee-archived or ... you can do it
tame sand
What is hb?
clever mortar
tame sand
well... reading would help .... thx though
lapis cipher
๐
deft pewter
Uh... how about no spam?
opaque girder
velvet horizonBOT
deft pewter
I'm glad we're back to shitposting and no support questions.
Wonder how long that will last.
clever mortar
opaque girder
I give it a few hours
half swift
how about product recommendations?
opaque girder
If you mean about which brand of cookies is the best then it's fine
half swift
I'll just leave this here to complain about my wife not grasping how heat works
deft pewter
How about you don't...
green fable
hello all! I have spent time reading through what I can. I'm more confused than when I started. I used to depend on smartthings IDE coding, so it isn't like I Can't understand, but.. Can I setup things like smarthings motion detection between 11pm-7am triggers Wyze light to turn on for xx minutes, unless light is already on ?
yes I searched
deft pewter
Aha, there it is. The reason I asked how long it'll be until the next support question. You were typing a while
clever mortar
And didn't read the channel topic ๐
velvet horizonBOT
green fable
i read the rules
deft pewter
I tried to be subtle... ๐ฆ
clever mortar
And yes, you wanted to ask about #automations-archived over there ๐
deft pewter
The rules say to read topics. You didn't read the topic.
clever mortar
So, head over to the #automations-archived channel to ask about automations ๐
green fable
but I dont have any setup.
i have nothing setup
I am not trying to setup an automation, I am asking is cross-platform config like this possible.
clever mortar
Yes, which is still technically a support question and off topic here
So, "yes", but head over to #automations-archived if you need more
Or just follow the links from that channels topic
half swift
here, have a van
opaque girder
needs washing
half swift
it's probably a cube now
green fable
May I suggest adding this to the-rules-and-welcome channel? it does not say must read the topic of channel before doing x..
half swift
poor thing went to recycling like 4 years ago?
clever mortar
May I suggest adding this to the-rules-and-welcome channel? it does *not* say m...
You mean like rule 5?
deft pewter
This one?
clever mortar
- Please read the channel topics before posting. ... Please use the appropriate channel as it relates to the nature of your discussion.
velvet horizonBOT
green fable
um, it says "5. Try to find an answer by inspection or experimentation."
deft pewter
No... that's not the rules ๐
That's a step-by-step guide on how to ask a good question.
clever mortar
That's before you ask
half swift
opaque girder
Can't be a worse apocalypse than the one we are currently in though
clever mortar
Oh, it could... we could have run out of coffee
opaque girder
Takes long sip of coffee
green fable
just joined, I thought I scrolled up, user error. Here is the problem. since this happens too much - the second pinned item just happens to be the length of the window and is hidden. All it needs is something to indicate TO SCROLL UP. New users will certainly miss this because of the length of the posts/window size. If it is frustrating for everyone, it is worth improving. Sorry, Covid made my mind foggy.
clever mortar
Eh, we can't fix humans - humans fail to pay attention, read, or otherwise even spot the elephant in the room
If you can't spot the scrollbar, we can't help ๐
noble pivot
My Daughter gets upset if I open up "too many" browser tabs so I had a quick (turned out to be slow) count. She gets upset past 6.
clever mortar
Also, we see far worse - it's perfectly normal for people here to post an error message with the information about what to do to fix it and ask what they should do
clever mortar
My Daughter gets upset if I open up "too many" browser tabs so I had a quick (tu...
Surely that should be 60... per window
noble pivot
Turned out I had 77 in onw window and 44 in another.
Actually, I suprised myself. Even I think 121 tabs might be a BIT exessive.
deft pewter
I'm not sure I've ever hit triple digits. Often past 50.
Since the Chrome extension 'The Great Suspender' got removed, I'm trying to cut down.
clever mortar
I just changed to a different extension ๐
noble pivot
I dont normally count. Only did it for a laugh.
clever mortar
271 unpinned tabs when the Great Suspender went away
deft pewter
What extension are you using?
clever mortar
Auto Tab Discard
That and OneTab
And a sea of bookmarks for the things I don't expect to get to ever in the next few months
opaque girder
This is after cleaning a bunch the other day
noble pivot
Well I dont feel too bad now ๐
deft pewter
OneTab moves all current tabs into a single list? Hmm... I like to have a bunch of active ones and a bunch inactive. Auto Tab Discard sounds more my thing.
deft pewter
This is after cleaning a bunch the other day
After?!