general-chat

[worthy magnet]

I already can use LCD with 8bit parallel with LCDCAM with DMA

p fast S3 can do it in 80MHz

Faster, more capable... It's better than SPI

I wanna develop sprite-driven screens

SPI is too slow

[dusky estuary]

Oh wow

What microcontroller are you using?

I couldn't figure out how to get 8 bit parallel working with the dma on my stm32

[worthy magnet]

ESP32-S3

LCD_CAM have 8bit TX mode

[dusky estuary]

Ah nice

[worthy magnet]

@dusky estuary

[ebon dew]

Lady Ada said parallel has no benefits over SPI anymore and won't be releasing parallel displays. There are a couple displays in the store that are capable of parallel mode though.. the ILI9341 in particular will do parallel. https://www.adafruit.com/product/1770

The board has to be capable of parallel though and I'm not sure if the ESP32's can do it. The Scorpio can I think with PIO.

7:03 https://www.youtube.com/live/iGL1YvRAKok?feature=share&t=423

@worthy magnet So the solution you really want to pursue on the ESP32-S2 or S3 is DMA.

[worthy magnet]

So can you actually drive that you can make refresh under 16.6ms?

With SPI

[ebon dew]

That's a question for Lady Ada, every Wednesday at 9pm EST she answers questions. I'm just the messenger. 🙂

[worthy magnet]

or 33ms. I wanna pursue high refresh rate for my project 😅

So yeah that's something I wanna ask LadyAda

Is it really

[ebon dew]

because i remember things she says like that sometimes... and in which videos. that's all i know lol.

[worthy magnet]

Tbh if you can show me the example that you can maintain full screen refresh every 33ms, I wanna see as well 😮

Generally parallel is faster, since you can send in arbitrary frequency at expense of pincounts

(aka 30fps)

[ebon dew]

That's what happens with any dot clock display. I don't know the refresh rates off the top of my head though.

Yeah I don't think anyone's hit 30 fps other than maybe with the Pico DVI going out to DVI.

[worthy magnet]

I mean it is fine, (also I believe TFT screens have much faster refresh rates. )

Which I kinda wanna pursue.
Putting HDMI screen on something like my little project is really overkill

Since I only need a 480x320.

DVI more so

[worthy magnet]

(think like arduino-ssd1306 game console but with color TFT)

@dusky estuary (;))

[ebon dew]

JP's Pico NES on the RP2040 will do 60fps NTSC but I think that's DVI/HDMI not to a TFT https://www.youtube.com/live/M3oA4yZ0NHU?feature=share&t=1677

There's a new Pimoroni board that combines 2 RP2040's for a dual core DVI output. A lot of new developments for DVI/HDMI.

For a TFT the SPI protocol itself might be a limitation.

I have no idea how DMA works but if Lady Ada says that's the best way with ESP32-S2 or S3's I would take her word for it.

[worthy magnet]

ESP32-S3 I know have DMA engine specifically for parallel LCD

M5 uses it, so I know

[ebon dew]

Just have to figure it out then

[worthy magnet]

I have grasp of it

[ebon dew]

good luck 🫡

[worthy magnet]

But yes more parallel LCD on lineup cheap is good

[late fulcrum]

OLED is generally fastest, but for decent resolution at a high refresh rate, you're getting beyond the land of the usual STM32 and RP2040, and up to ARM M7 land, frame buffers, GPUs, etc.

[worthy magnet]

That's why ESP32-S3 seemed good deal

[late fulcrum]

I was thinking more along the lines of iMXRT1062

Fair enough.

[worthy magnet]

But anyway It's due to dedicated DMA-able submodules

And I have esp32-s3 with 16MB external RAM

[late fulcrum]

DMA is cool (I remember seeing DMA video out of an 1802 CPU from the 1970s with just 3 simple support chips.)

[wanton thistle]

am I the only one who finds finding stuff on LSCS really difficult? The sorting is pretty much non-existent

[dusty citrus]

Not the only one, I do usually google the thing that I am looking for + lcsc

Or there was this thing
https://github.com/yaqwsx/jlcparts
But I haven't used it

[wanton thistle]

Im just trying to wade through the parts to see if they have a 5A+ Lithium charger.

[ebon dew]

how big is the battery, isn't it generally a bad idea to pump a lot of amps too fast into it? usually 1A is the max unless you're dealing with Life-Po large capacity banks.

for example charging a 2000mah lipo with 5A seems like a recipe for a fire.

but charging a 20,000 mah Life-Po might be ok.

[umbral phoenix]

charging at or below 0.5 C is recommended, no more than 1 C https://learn.adafruit.com/li-ion-and-lipoly-batteries/proper-charging

[ebon dew]

Yup even for Life-Po below 0.5C is recommended. For a massive industrial Life-Po bank though that could still mean rates of up to 10A. The battery capacity and chemistry matters for the amperage used.

[wanton thistle]

35,000mAh

at 1C, thats 3.5A. I am charging it from a solar panel (100W,17V@5A). I just worry about having enough sun to charge the bank, hence why the 5A

Sun time. Length I mean.

[ebon dew]

Then that's double the recommended rating and much higher risk.

[wanton thistle]

I have to look at the cells then (they are samsung cells, I havent bought them yet)

[ebon dew]

well not double, but much higher

Shouldn't a BMS limit you anyway?

[wanton thistle]

I am paralleling them. I dont need the higher voltage. This whole thing is to power a bubbler system lol.

hmm. Datasheet says for standard charge to charge at 1700mA for a 3500mA cell (or 0.5C)

[ebon dew]

Anything lithium based is going to have that cutoff

[wanton thistle]

but it does say 1C is fine

with 97% capacity

[ebon dew]

Oh really. Interesting. Still want to leave overhead though.

[tardy badger]

Not everything has a cut off, raw cells won’t. But some do come with protection circuits that handle this like the PK Cells adafruit sells.

[wanton thistle]

https://www.18650batterystore.com/products/samsung-35e?variant=37119891832983

If you want to have a look

[tardy badger]

So it’s good to be aware of what the batteries you are using have for protection and what you should implement.

[ebon dew]

Right but are you running just the 1? Probably not.

[wanton thistle]

Nah, a bunch in parallel (10P, lol)

I mean TBH to start out with, Its going to be 4

[tardy badger]

Those batteries have protection it looks like

Or some anyway

[wanton thistle]

Nah, unprotected

[tardy badger]

It at least has over discharge protection (cutoff of 2.65V)

[ebon dew]

Load balancing that many requires a BMS or at least... it's a really really good idea to.

[wanton thistle]

They are in parallel. Not needed

Series, yes. Parallel no.

[tardy badger]

Parallel charging still needs a bms

[wanton thistle]

Oh yea, for Under/over voltage

[tardy badger]

Unbalanced cells can damage others if their off by even a little bit

Each needs to be matched with similar internal resistance and capacity. Usually this is done with a specialized machines.

[wanton thistle]

Yea, I was reading up on that and they have to be within 0.1v. The suggested way is to charge them all individually and then put them in parallel

[tardy badger]

Internal resistance should also be checked

[wanton thistle]

I have a charger that does this 🙂 I usually verify to make sure the sellers legit but this one has legit ratings too

[ebon dew]

a charger isn't necessarily a BMS

[tardy badger]

I personally would try to verify myself even if it’s “guaranteed” by the seller/manufacturer.

[ebon dew]

BMS's should be configured for your exact layout

[tardy badger]

Sort of the, “double check to not burn down my garage” philosophy with batteries

[wanton thistle]

Oh yea, the charger I have does that

https://www.amazon.com/LiitoKala-Lii-500-Battery-charger-capacity/dp/B073R7VCMZ

its this

[ebon dew]

I would highly advise you to put your solar project in a metal flame proof enclosure

[wanton thistle]

Oh it will be outside anyway. Ive actually thought of just using a power bank instead.

You know, one of the cases.

[ebon dew]

the chances of something going wrong eventually could happen in an instant

that would be a wise idea as most of them have BMS's built in

[tardy badger]

I just try to avoid needing to use more than 1 LiPo cell lol

[ebon dew]

Same. RC project I'm working on has 3 and it bothers me. 1 for the transmitter, 1 for the receiver, 1 for the FPV camera and tank. they all operate on different voltages which is a little infuriating as it's obviously designed to sell accessories as none of the plugs out of the box are compatible or included.

what should be 1 little compact unit is now a cabled mess that stretches about 4 feet with 6 in-line components and adapters.

[late fulcrum]

35,000mAh (35Ah), or 3,500mAh (3.5Ah)?

[ebon dew]

5A into 3500mah would get.. exciting real quick.

[wanton thistle]

10x3,500mAh (3,5Ah) each.

[late fulcrum]

1S10P? That should be able to accept a healthy charge rate, but I'd want to temperature monitor the pack.

[wanton thistle]

correct

Yea, even at 3.5A, thats only 350mA per cell

[unkempt cairn]

So I bought https://www.adafruit.com/product/1566 to power some LEDs for a Lego model. The interesting thing is that power off doesn't really seem to be power off, more like...power...trickle?

Which is fine, I have a physical switch on a USB passthrough cable, it just seemed puzzling.

[unborn sphinx]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/1378 are these available in lower power versions too?

[crystal ore]

For lower power, you could just command a dimmer brightness.

[unborn sphinx]

More as in, I don't wanna have to keep the MCU running at 4MHz

[crystal ore]

You might look at the DotStar variety. Those use a clocked protocol so may give you more control over how slow the bus runs.

Though even with NeoPixels, you only need to run the MCU when you are updating the colors: they would keep their previous color setting even if the MCU goes to sleep.

[unborn sphinx]

Ahh, assumed they needed a constant 4MHz

[burnt tendon]

Yah I made a board that was running a ATtiny-something-or-other and a DotStar and I think the fastest it would get was like 1 MHz.

[sick adder]

that's pretty wild: I had never thought about how a device might undergo such rapid thermal cycling. Here, it looks like ~100°C up and then back down every 0.5ms. It's amazing something doesn't simply break after a few seconds, most macro-scale objects would be pretty affected after a million +-100°C thermal cycles. [from https://www.skyworksinc.com/-/media/SkyWorks/Documents/Products/1-100/200480C.pdf]

[tidal flare]

Cries in MechEng

[worthy magnet]

[burnt tendon]

Well, if you don't engineer that right, all you've got is a die-ode.

[lusty fossil]

Kinda weird that they stuck a temp probe into one of my solder joints.

[winter dawn]

hey guys can anyone help recommend which keywords I should be using to start researching feasibility of a project i'm interested in? I want to add a small fan to my outdoor, inground firepit to help oxygenate and reduce smoke so it burns better where its less exposed to wind since its below grade. I can dig / cut out a spot for the ductwork but I'm not sure what is the best option for powering this, was interested in a thermoelectric fan that runs on the heat generated from the fire. any suggestions for keywords to google for discovering parts/options to power the fan are appreciated

[crystal ore]

My instinct is that's going to be a tough design. Thermoelectric generators mostly work at relatively small power levels. And they need a temperature gradient, so you might need a fan running to keep the cold side cold anyway.

[winter dawn]

okay, i wasn't sure if it was feasible to begin with, or if the "cold side" being ambient temp while the hot side was slowly warmed by the fire would be a big enough gradient/difference to generate meaningful current to power a small fan. thanks for your feedback

[glossy knoll]

A Solo stove does basically what you're describing 😂

[crystal ore]

An alternative might be a battery-powered fan with a solar panel.

[tardy badger]

Okay, so I worked for a startup where we used a concept of blowers to stoke the charcoal briqs for the grill we sold. It used a thermocouple to be the basis for the speed.

You could probably use like two smaller blower fans and some ducting to direct airflow at the base to stoke the flames to improve burn efficiency

[winter dawn]

thanks for the comments & ideas fam.

[burnt tendon]

@winter dawn Oh, you want to check out http://aprovecho.org/

There's a whole giant field that's trying to do appropriate-technology cooking stoves and I guess the starting point is the Rocket Stove.

So, like, blowers nice, but just arranging vents and pipes to work with the natural combustion updraft works pretty darn well as-is.

[rapid geode]

Pft, the weather in toronto changes faster than that. 😛

[wanton thistle]

honestly? get a rechargable fan that takes 18650 batteries and use that. I use such a fan with my rocket stove and it works great

[fathom dome]

This is my problem

i have 2 Internet Access Points (3 if you can't the wall point that my switch is connected to)
1 - wall
1 - switch
1 - Wireless access point (with 2 plug port)

Now if i plugg my desktop computer in the wall or switch internet browsing works fine BUT when i want to code on my ESP32 software to controll my ESP32 i am NOT able at all to connect/reach my ESP32 (via websocket)... (i know the IP address and know that it works) cause i can enter the IP address in the browser and get the GUI there and controll the ESP32...

now if i plugg my desktop computer into one of the pluggs on the Wireless access point i now can access the ESP32 via the IP BUT now internet browsing does not work... cannot access gooogle or anything (sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't)....

It is super weird.....

[fair summit]

Is the WAP set up as an access point or a router? If it is its own router, it is separating the wireless network from the wired network

There should be only one DHCP server.

I am using Ubiquiti access points and they are all on a common network.

[rare gulch]

Why does the description for Adafruit RP2040 Feather ThinkInk with 24-pin E-Paper Display say "does not come with an EInk display"? The item name explicitly says "with"!

[lusty fossil]

Seems like an oversight!

[tardy badger]

I believe they are missing “Connector” from the product name

If you could buy a huge EPD for $17.50, that board would be easily sold out

But yeah, definitely seems like a small mistake

[lusty fossil]

Me: Wonders why I have back pain
Also me, emptying my old wallet before putting stuff in the new one:

[patent hemlock]

i saw an episode of "Homicide: Life on the Street" where Andre Braughe and Kyle Secor were talking about this very thing - moved my wallet to my front pocket and instant relief (not to mention getting rid of 90% of the stuff i didn't use)

[lusty fossil]

That's a reference you don't see often. Nice. I have seen a few eps and enjoyed but never found a legal place to watch the full series.

[lusty fossil]

Yeah there's like 20 or so cards pictured. Now I have 7.

[tardy badger]

I always carry my wallet in my front pocket. Perhaps I got paranoid watching pick pocket videos

But the implications for back pain definitely encourage my habit

[urban arrow]

Years ago my chiropractor told me not to sit in a chair with a fat wallet on one side back there - my front pocket from then on. Feels safer somehow... (BTW, my wallet never was very fat w/ CASH ha HA...)

[umbral phoenix]

I specifically bought a very slim wallet (but it's also RFID blocking), trimmed down to 5 cards (3 charge, 1 ATM, and driver's). But I do try to keep enough cash in there. So it's not bad in back, but I put it in front mostly when I travel.

For international, I have an RFID-blocking wallet made of Tyvek (extremely slim), it's taller to accommodate taller-than-US bills.

[feral rain]

DFRobot has this Offline Voice Recognition Sensor
https://www.dfrobot.com/product-2665.html
It'd be cool to see something from Adafruit in this space. Does it already exist and I just missed it somehow?

[fair summit]

You can send a product suggestion via https://www.adafruit.com/contact_us

[mellow orbit]

hi @sonic prism and @ebon dew ! just wanted to share here an update on the project that I did in show and tell a few weeks ago: #live-broadcast-chat message
I have since been playing with the enclosure, so it is not a cardboard box anymore. 😉 STLs and pictures are in the repo now: https://github.com/flavio-fernandes/lora-ben/blob/main/3d-print.md fun times!

[sonic prism]

and that nonsensical ping gets you on my block list

[ebon dew]

yeah please keep in mind that not everyone is in the same time zone and you might be pinging someone awake at 5am.

great project though. very well done!

Gorgeous 3D print. Bravo. I take it this is the river level sensor project?

Please keep in mind that PLA is not UV resistant and will warp in the open sun. Hope you used PETG.

[whole plover]

I seen ladyadas maker video and was so inspiring

[dusty citrus]

I don't get it, on flux.ai there is not a way to copy and paste the whole schematics and not just the board? or to open a sub level with it's schematics?

[timid anvil]

Whats everyone doing on my birthday right now?

[whole plover]

looking at turtles

printing a snap fit thing

happy birthday

[timid anvil]

Yeeaaaa turtles rock thank you

You 3D printing stuff?

[whole plover]

yeh after some pointers in #help-with-3dprinting attempting a snap fit thing but hard to know the angles so just doing some trial and error

turtles are epic, i was playing turtles in time last week. a great game

[timid anvil]

Which one?

The arcade? Snes or the remake?

[whole plover]

it was for the snes in an emulator

[timid anvil]

Yeaaa

Great Game.

[whole plover]

turtles is way better than streets of raige

[timid anvil]

Hyperstone Heist is a great one too. I prefer that one

[whole plover]

oh i never tried that one i'll need to find it

which console?

[timid anvil]

I should play it now

Sega Genesis

[whole plover]

nice there were some really good beat em ups for those consoles, fzero is also a great game

[timid anvil]

Yea you grow up in that era?

[whole plover]

i did, snes was my first console

[timid anvil]

NES was my first then Genesis

[whole plover]

my friend had a nes and a master system

we had an atari at home but snes was my first console

[timid anvil]

I never had a master system or knew anyone at the time. I own one now

[whole plover]

which game is built into your master system? alex kidd? that's awesome

[timid anvil]

The motorcycle one

[whole plover]

oh excitebike?

or was that nes

[timid anvil]

No

Umm

[whole plover]

how does the gamepad actually feel? remind me 🙂

[timid anvil]

Hang on

[whole plover]

wow that game goes way back, i only knew it was a game for the saturn

[timid anvil]

I personally dont care for it

The controller

[whole plover]

iirc, a good motorbike game is manx tt for the saturn

yeh it felt extremely mushyyyyy

like way more than anything i can remember

[timid anvil]

Yea

[whole plover]

it's basically a potato

[timid anvil]

Lol yea. I must've forgot Hang On was on the Saturn

[whole plover]

the sounds are really bad, makes me think it's a little dog in the engine

manx tt was way better

[timid anvil]

Is it fun?

On the Saturn

[whole plover]

manx tt is good, has a sega rally vibe

[timid anvil]

Ahh ok

[timid anvil]

I bought a cord yesterday from Amazon where I can hook up my phone to a printer i wonder if it'll work

[whole plover]

That's cool hope so

[timid anvil]

They have adaptors too I tried to cancel my order to order the adaptors but it was too late but oh well

I had no idea that such things existed

[raw jasper]

I think you can also print wirelessly, if you have a device that can share your printer over IPP, perhaps with an external app

[timid anvil]

Yea i cant seem to get my printer to show up on the app wirelessly despite its connected to my wifi and printed a wifi test sheet

Unless someone here knows how to fix that

[raw jasper]

If your device is an android, you need an external print provider app, likely from the manufacturer, to get it to work

[timid anvil]

I have android

And an HP printer

[raw jasper]

You'll probably have to get the manufacturer app

....And it may not let you print if you don't have original ink

[timid anvil]

I have connection issues

I have the HP Smart app

My printer doesnt show up when i search for it on the app

[raw jasper]

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/ish_1870466-1870510-16 apparently, they also have another app, called the "hp print service plugin". Perhaps this might work?

[timid anvil]

I have that app and that app told me to DL the HP Smart app

[raw jasper]

Perhaps try this
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.github.benoitduffez.cupsprint
and point it to the printer's IP?

(Make sure to navigate to said IP using a desktop browser and enable IPP on the control panel webpage first)

[timid anvil]

Wheres the settings?

[raw jasper]

https://github.com/BenoitDuffez/AndroidCupsPrint/wiki/User-Manual

I remember getting it to work once, but it was years ago. Your mileage may vary 😅

[timid anvil]

I do that on a PC?

Cuz theres nothing to click in the app

[raw jasper]

There's supposed to be a printing panel on the android system settings app

which should allow you to configure it

[timid anvil]

I just posted what comes up after I installed that CUP app

[raw jasper]

They say it's configured from the phone's settings app

Not from the app itself

[timid anvil]

Oh i add it through settings on my phone?

[raw jasper]

https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/3473588?hl=en&sjid=9002550840630435764-EU

[timid anvil]

Oh alright

[timid anvil]

Idk I give up

Phones not seeing any printer connected to my wifi yet my printer IS connected to my wifi

And the apps say my printer model works with the apps

[whole plover]

have you been to your router home page e.g. 192.168.0.1 and then in there look at devices connected to your router. that way you can for a fact say the printer is connected to wifi?

[thorn flax]

Could y'all answer a few questions for me?

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfBV3lTwzxA1GSFe4NUgp__KWd2peecWzAzwciPbf3uW5v2fQ/viewform?usp=sf_link

This form is completely unanimous and it's just for me. nothing else

[blissful roost]

*anonymous ?

[thorn flax]

Sorry, I cant spell

[blissful roost]

🙂

[rapid geode]

a non mouse

[patent hemlock]

Happy birthday, Turtles - i'm working aroudn a cat on my lap, gearing up an SG90 servo (via a Adafruit CRICKITHat on a Raspberry Pi) with a Lego Techincs "turntable"

[raw jasper]

Oh well. At least we tried. Also, happy birthday! I didn't notice the message

[raw jasper]

I love how it's "I'm working around the cat" :D

[blissful roost]

I feel left out... my bunnies never want to jump in my lap, except for a few seconds when I have treats. 😛

[tranquil swallow]

What's the cheapest engine block I could buy with good bores

[blissful roost]

Probably a scrapped 3-cyl 900cc from a cr.. car. 😛

Personally, I'm keeping my eyes out for a BMW 4.4ltr V8, from the old M3.

[tranquil swallow]

I think I'll have to look at a scrapyard, idk much about cars

[blissful roost]

Make noise, go fast. 😁

[timid anvil]

Thanks homie

[rapid geode]

I have a raw cast of an S500 somewhere....

😒

ford perforance sells bare blocks. i vaguely rememeber the base mustang v8 being only $400 or so

[tranquil swallow]

Woah!

[rapid geode]

it used to be only $999 for a ford focus compelte engine

but that was like 7-8 years ago

ford is one of the few car companies you can just "buy parts" from.

have to give them credit for that in an age where everyone else is trying to make you subscrive for and extra 10hp

[solid star]

Hey, how is everyone?

[limpid sedge]

how new is this?

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4279

[patent hemlock]

i know dodge sells "crate engines", too - don't know about pricing

[rapid geode]

crate engines are complete performance engines. they are $8k-100k.

ford was selling bare blocks for the mustang (iron and aluminium) and the gt40.

at the time i looked

https://accessories.ford.com/collections/engine-blocks

prices went up a fair bit. (everything metal has)

i used to work with a company that made the casting dies for engines. thats how i got a raw cast for an s500 v8. it was a cold cast. like 2nd or 3rd ever run of the die. sadly it disappeared form the office at some point. no idea where it is.

[dusky estuary]

Would anyone be interested in doing a code review on the state machine for my skydiving altimeter? 😅

[worthy magnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI1KjhRAwq0

this makes me want to obtain ARMSID

[feral shore]

#hug-reports huh, ok, I want a #f^cku-reports. When it's hard, nothing works, and you're pressed and pushed from behind, a healthy f^ck u exchange can really heal. Nothing personal, no context, just a f^^ dump - f^ u, f^ u to back, and leave with a good brain sneeze releaf feeling. A healthy positive approach to negativity. 🙂

[tardy badger]

To keep it family friendly maybe call it #ahheck

Or #youwouldntbelieveit

[raw jasper]

"I can't believe it's not working!"

[acoustic pawn]

#project-rant

[raw jasper]

#vent!

[feral shore]

Just 💥

💥 it has to be abstract, not pointing to anything, no topics, no content, nothing personal, just 💥

[lusty fossil]

Any leather workers? I have this sick EDC belt carrier, but my 4" calipers stick up too much. Could I cut a slot where my finger is and let the slide poke out a bit?

[patent hemlock]

you should be able to - leather won't tear like other materials and , if you note, the tops of the pockets are also "raw edge" - just don't cut too deep/big/far/stiches, etc. (i think i got it covered)

[ebon dew]

Weren't we just talking the other day how there aren't tornados in Florida and I don't need to put in a fast pressure change warning...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb9r9WB4Znc

I am now rethinking that decision. If anyone has a algorithm for tornado warnings using pressure/temp/humidity sensor I'm now much more ameanable to adding that into my weather station.

It only updates every 15 minutes though. I feel like tornados in this region at least usually spawn, destroy, and dissipate within 15 minutes. :/

[tardy badger]

Tomorrow

https://tenor.com/view/its-gonna-be-may-justin-timberlake-n-sync-boy-band-me-gif-21216859

[hasty quarry]

Last problem I had to solve for the year

It’s been a great ride

[acoustic pawn]

Probably just if the difference in temp over time is over a certain threshold it triggers

[tardy badger]

Brings back memories

[ebon dew]

https://tenor.com/view/hangover-math-mathematics-equation-lol-gif-5822639

[tardy badger]

I saw this and cringed just a little bit

I’ve learned how to find studs with magnets

A strong enough magnet will help you find screws that secure the drywall

[night crescent]

Desk of Ladyada Super seesaw sample Sunday https://youtu.be/j7pqxj7wdaE

[rapid geode]

assuming they didnt screw the drywall into the sewage pipe

😛

my house is mostly made of steel, so its easy to find the studs

[ebon dew]

Much harder with a concrete block house :/

[rapid geode]

well thats you can just put the screws anywhere

[burnt tendon]

The pun is too obvious so I'm not making it

[ebon dew]

no you cannot just put screws anywhere you want to even in a concrete wall 😉

plumbing and electric are run inside the blocks just like inside drywall. it's like playing the plumbing/electric jackpot to hang something on a wall. 😛

[rapid geode]

we;; thats just silly

[raw jasper]

Cable detectors are a thing

It seems you can also get "pipe detectors", although I have no experience in how accurate or useful they are

...and presumably would be of no help at all if your pipes aren't metal

[ebon dew]

On drywall very handy, not so much with concrete abs.

[raw jasper]

huh... As long as they detect the AC magnetic field, they should be good enough to prevent you from drilling your electricity wires regardless of whether the material in front of them is concrete or drywall... No idea about pipes though

[ebon dew]

Probably easier than a brick wall. I have no experience with brick walls, we don’t really do brick walls in Florida anymore.

[raw jasper]

.....Or at least I'd hope so, because otherwise I'm out of luck

[ebon dew]

The new ones that detect wires kind of work, they’re spotty but useful. Not for plumbing though.

[raw jasper]

Yeah, honestly no idea what to do about plumbing aside from consulting the building plans

[mighty lily]

All of a sudden, my computer doesn't read the RPI Pico. Anyone got a solution?

[ebon dew]

As in Windows won’t detect it via USB no matter how many times you power cycle it?

[mighty lily]

Exactly

Tried all my ports and went thru at least 5 wires

[ebon dew]

Reboot the pc?

[mighty lily]

Already did that like 2 times

[ebon dew]

Theres a program called device cleanup that can help in situations like that but you have to be careful with it as it edits the registry.

Cleans out usb devices so windows will detect them as new again.

[mighty lily]

Alr I'll check it out. Thanks!

[ebon dew]

https://www.uwe-sieber.de/misc_tools_e.html

Scroll down the page until you see device cleanup. Must be run in admin mode.

Ive had that happen with the pico before and thats what helped solve it.

If you search this discord for “device cleanup tool” you’ll see it’s recommended by moderators and developers here. I’ve used it myself, it’s a good tool.

[mighty lily]

I'm using a loaner from my school 😭

[ebon dew]

Could always try holding down boot while powering it up but might wipe your pico doing that.

[mighty lily]

Wdym wipe? Can't I bootsl and copy program in it again?

[ebon dew]

Yes if you have a backup of your code. It’s just a fair warning.

[mighty lily]

Bootsel isn’t working when I plug it in

😭

[icy grail]

waves hi all

[wind basin]

Version control with CircuitPython (kind of) : http://www.movingelectrons.net/posts/circuitpython-and-version-control/

[thorn flax]

My last day of school is the 19th of this month. 🤩🎉

I’m probably the youngest person in this server

[dusty citrus]

I don't know
I may have accidentally leaked stuff that I don't want to be public yet. I removed so said stuff. I looked up at google and search engines aggregators and I find nothing, may I be safe?

[patent hemlock]

depends on when you last checked, I would imagine

[rapid geode]

last day of grade school?

[wanton thistle]

So Ive got a big project idea; I want to build a dyson sphere around the Sun but I wonder if an Arduino will be fast enough to control the thing. I also wonder if anyone has code examples of an arduino running a dyson sphere, as that would be a big help 😄

[raw jasper]

checks calendar April 1st was a month ago

[wanton thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/slowpoke-thinking-gif-20733792

[rapid geode]

you can probably control this dyson sphere

[tardy badger]

One might get around to it one of these days

[patent hemlock]

heh - i watch Master Chef Junior (US), so it would not surprise me in the least to have "junior" engineers here

[patent hemlock]

i think you'd really need some multitasking and last i looked you need at least a Raspberry Pi for that

[crystal ore]

Running across integer overflows in embedded systems isn't too uncommon, but I think with a Dyson sphere controller you'd start to run into floating-point overflows too... 😅

[tardy badger]

Possibly even brain cell overflow

[rapid geode]

the point of a dyson shpere is floating

[rapid geode]

there's kids on this forum. im always surprised how young some people on techy forums end up. I knew someone on a vfx forum, he wrote the instruction manual for a software. then eventually about 6 years later my company hired him... case they had to wait til he was 18. (so yup, he wrote the manual to the rendering software used on starwars when he was 12).

when i was 12 i was playing with matchbox cars...

haha

[tardy badger]

I was playing games on a GameCube and PlayStation

I also had a SEGA Dreamcast

[rapid geode]

I didnt have anything for gaming. my cousins had nintendo/sega stuff.

i did have an atari, but it was already 15 years out of date by then haha

[tardy badger]

Neat, I had a gameboy color and maybe a gameboy advance?

My parents liked to keep my siblings and I busy and out of their hair

[rapid geode]

ha

we were just poor-ish. i didnt get a real computer til i got a job.

[tardy badger]

I grew up military “poor”

My parents had a credit card with low interest through the base exchange which was the only way we got stuff

[rapid geode]

poor is relative. but at that time, a pc was many thousands of dollars. not like today where i could trade a slice of cheesecake for a pc

[tardy badger]

Yeah

I was one of 5 kids so my parents got the most out of tax season thanks to me and the other tax credits

[rapid geode]

ha

[tardy badger]

They saved up for over a year to get a gateway computer in 1997

[rapid geode]

i got a comodore 64 in the 90s as well.

always 10 years out of date

hehe

[tardy badger]

I remember going to the Gateway store

I called it the cow store

[rapid geode]

haha

i remember them

[tardy badger]

Because for whatever reason gateway used cow print

[rapid geode]

in magazines anywya

they werent in canada

[tardy badger]

Apparently (according to the all mighty google) gateway was founded on a farm, which is why they used cows for branding

[rapid geode]

ahh

[tardy badger]

The more you know

That fact could save ya money on jeopardy

[rapid geode]

hahah

[tardy badger]

But yeah, poor definite is relative

[rapid geode]

knowing strange things has made me quite a lot of money actually

[tardy badger]

I remember going back to school shopping at the end of June and putting clothes on layaway

Then going back the week before school and going through a box of clothes to try and remember what I picked out

[rapid geode]

ha

[tardy badger]

It was wild to me that other kids didn’t do that

People’s parents just out there making enough money to just buy stuff

[rapid geode]

i had a uniform, so i didnt have to think about that

[tardy badger]

My kids will have a uniform this coming year

Well, the two older ones anyway

The baby will probably run around in a T-shirt

[rapid geode]

i kinda like uniforms.

although kids still find a way to pick out "poor people" plain white shirts.

but mostly it levels everyone out, and you tend to socialise with a borader group of people

[tardy badger]

Yeah

Thankfully the shirts from Walmart tend to be better than the “rich shirts”

[rapid geode]

ha

[tardy badger]

Which is such an interesting turn of events

[rapid geode]

back then the school had a tailor, so youd buy everything from there. the price was kinda middle of the road.

[tardy badger]

Expensive clothes look worn, cheap clothes look new.

[rapid geode]

the funny thing was girls who were 4'10 in grade 9 and 5'10 in grade 13... but never bought a new kilt.

half way through kilts were gotten rid of though

everyone had pants

[crystal ore]

There's an amusing fantasy novel called The Practice Effect, where entropy kind of works in reverse: items that are used more get better and better adapted to their task instead of wearing out. So all the aristocrats had peasants wearing their fancy clothes in their fields until it turned pristine enough. 😁

[rapid geode]

bah, gordon lightfoot just died....

lowers flag

[tardy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-meme-flag-meme-flag-makesweet-gif-crying-face-emoji-gif-25561140

[tardy badger]

I’ve heard this a few times

But it still hurts my brain

[rapid geode]

its what people want to believe about old violins

[late fulcrum]

These days, this cheap computer is expensive

[tardy badger]

Ohhh nice!

[rapid geode]

vintage computers. who'da thunk it.

i have the sales package / reciept for a 1987 cnc machine i got used for cheap. it broke down the prices of some of the options, and the 256k memory board was $2400. the irony being that that board, surplus today is STILL worth $2400 cause people need to keep the machines running

[tardy badger]

It would be unsurprising if there were FPGA modules for slightly cheaper for drop in replacement

I’ve seen some fpga drop ins for old retro computers to replace chips that are unobtainable anymore

[rapid geode]

this is an industry that still charges $2000 for an 8gb cf card

there is an rs232 storage emulator system thing for it. but even that if i remember is several thousand

it makes sense a bit since they only sell a handful of them in a year.

a clever person could probably get a pi or arduino to talk to it

[tardy badger]

Probably

Pay $150 for a small FPGA board and reimplement most of the control logic and storage

[rapid geode]

cpu board. intel 8088

96k memory

the 256 was for expansion

theres about 7 or 8 boards in the system

3 for motor control. 1 for rs232. 1 for "colour" graphics

most people would rather rip out the whole system and put linux or a new siemens box etc. but if the machine runs and earns $200 an hour, you dont want to mess with it

my particular machine belonged to goodyear. they used it to make prototype race tire molds in the 90s.

then they sold it to someone who abused it

[rapid geode]

yeah i never got it running. a transformer and a motor board was blown, and surplus replacements cost more than the machine did

so i sold off some of the boards and kept a few of the parts, motors etc

but annoyed now though cause it was 12000lbs and scrap iron is super valuable this year, id have got like $4000 for it

haha

[patent hemlock]

that is entirely correct - they were a breakout hit

[rapid geode]

how many of those old computer companies survived. dell, hp. that's about it. (not counting apple of course)

[patent hemlock]

dell is such an odd fish

by all rights, they shouldn't even exist

[rapid geode]

the guy knew how to cut losses and managed to keep going when everyone else was overexpanding then failing

i dont think he is even involved anymore though

oh, nope. he is sitll in charge

[patent hemlock]

it's even stranger at the beginning (including the jail time)

[rapid geode]

ah. i dont remember much

about that

just that they were broadly the joke of the pc world for a whole

yet somehow won out

[patent hemlock]

dell sole "grey market" PC clones out of his dorm room at the University of Texas until IBM finally clobbered him (and also somehow managed to keep afloat and become legit)

[rapid geode]

ah

[late fulcrum]

They're still the joke of the PC world. I remember when Dell bought AlienWare and then started selling their usual least common denominator, slightly nonstandard stuff with the "AlienWare" branding. People abandoned the new "AlienWare" in droves.

[blissful roost]

Yeah, consumer-grade Dell still sucks ...

The enterprise-grade is decent enough.

[late fulcrum]

That has not been my experience.

Then again, I regard "enterprise grade" as meaningless marketing. To me, "Enterprise grade" should mean it's suitable for installation on a Constellation class starship anyway. However, Sun's "server grade" equipment had specific definitions, including a 20-year design life (NOTHING Dell sells has anything close to a 20-year design life)

[rapid geode]

we only buy their monitors

i guess technically ibm survives as well, although they broke up and sold off the units to other names like lenovo and hitachi

[late fulcrum]

Their monitors aren't built by them, they're white labeled from other manufacturers. However, it's often a less expensive way than buying the name brand versions of the monitors.

[rapid geode]

we specifically chose LG panels, which is normally what the dell pro level models use. we could get them in other brands too, but dell is easy and often the cheapest

[late fulcrum]

I normally opt for the Samsung panels, but the LG ones are good too.

[rapid geode]

samsung (at least years ago) crushed blacks. so they were useless.

[late fulcrum]

Depends on your use case, I suppose. People editing photo/video have different needs than people laying out PCBs.

[rapid geode]

yes

we need good colour rendition

and fidelity

we kept crt's up til about 2006

[late fulcrum]

I've just been using Sony CRT monitors and Apple Cinema Display LCDs for that sort of thing.

[rapid geode]

apple cinema displays had the same LG panels. but cost twice as much as the dells

its different now, lg isnt always the best anymore. but they are a safe bet

[late fulcrum]

I did opt for LG for my television, their OLED screens are a worthy successor to the plasma I had before.

[rapid geode]

we have their oleds for screening. hate them haha

very bad colour controls.

they never look anything like they shoudl

we got the first one cause we needed real HDR.

ugh

ha

[late fulcrum]

I drilled down into the menus to find where I could set it in "raw" mode, without any of the weird things like "optimized for cinema"

[rapid geode]

i dont remember the exact issues anymore, but they were always a problem. if its for a an actual tv to watch, they are great

just not good for critical colour reference

[late fulcrum]

Yeah, I just watch TV on it, it's fine for that.

[rapid geode]

its always interesting to see how things end up on actual tv or movie screen. the trend is so often to just crush everything.

my friend did a bunch of environments for sin city and when it got to the threatre, you couldnt see any of it. just black. hjaha

[late fulcrum]

It's interesting trying the different theatres around here. It's quite apparent to me which ones bother with maintenance and calibration. For TV, so much of it is overcompressed there's not much point.

[rapid geode]

they have been screwing up LUTs for streaming so much. apparently the first few episodes of picard season 3 were just black... but they werent supposed to be

[late fulcrum]

I did trek out to see the 70mm film release of The Hateful Eight. That was a gorgeous experience.

[rapid geode]

film... whats that?

haha

[late fulcrum]

For me, film is still the gold standard for dynamic range.

[rapid geode]

nah, its poor at this point compared to the new cameras. but that is a relatively recent development

i dont think ive seen a show done on film in the studio for at least 10 years

[late fulcrum]

It depends on what you're looking for. Last I checked, even the newest digital cameræ were linear, while film (like the human eye) is logarithmic. While both technologies have intrinsic quantization errors, the film errors are less visually apparent in demanding scenes.

Although the new digital restorations of the filmed versions of the ST:TNG episodes are gorgeous.

[rapid geode]

film scans are linear, so it really doesnt matter

an alexa LF will generally beat film in most ways

[late fulcrum]

It only matters for film-to-film, which is why I went out to view that 70mm print.

And while film scans are linear, the best scanner operators will adjust the conditions to extract the maximum information from the film, taking advantage of film's incredible dynamic range. This does yield amazing results, but it's slow and expensive and rarely done.

[rapid geode]

that film seems to be an anomoly, just looked it up. interesting

films have way less dynamic range than digital though

[late fulcrum]

It is absolutely an anomoly. It was incredibly expensive to restore the projectors, find projectionists, etc. Corporations will not do that for profit, but a director with a huge budget and strong ideas about presentation can manage it.

What's the current bit depth for digital? 16 bits?

HDR might be somewhat more, with overlapping ranges/crossover/blending

[rapid geode]

bit depth is not dynamic range

that sis fidelity

[late fulcrum]

Beg to differ there.

[rapid geode]

dynamic range is the difference between black and white

more bits lets you push it all around to be sure, but it does not impact the range

an alexa lf has 14 stops range. film usually has 3-5 (depends on iso and many other factors)

[raw jasper]

Did sun's hardware division even survive long enough for that design life to even matter in the end....? :pondering:

Well, looks like sun made SPARC systems well into the 2000s! For some reason, I thought they stopped before the millennium?!

To be honest, my only contact with Sun beyond installing Java was installing opensolaris in a virtual machine a few years before they were bought by oracle, so.... That's that

[rapid geode]

sun was ebaying pcs for a bit at no reserve. mid 2000s. they didnt last much longer after that

i think sparks were already dead by then

these were opterons i think

sgi was already dead

sad

haha

[patent hemlock]

evolve or die

i'm actually amazed that IBM managed to pivot at all - i worked a yearlong contract there back in the Dark Ages and they were (in my opinion) really too restrictive in their corporate culture

[raw jasper]

I mean, they're still in the mainframe business...

[rapid geode]

they kepp the big stuff yeah. as400s etc

pcs to lenovo. discs to hitachi. monitors to chimei

lenovo was also smart in basically keeping most of ibms philosophies on machines and services

[patent hemlock]

concur - i have a T440s that's still rocking after almost a decade

[raw jasper]

Yup, thinkpads are the best

[rich sleet]

anyone know off hand if CEM-1 is still actually cost effective or has FR4 really reached critical mass and undercut CEM-1?

[static flare]

I should get myself a ThinkPad at some point, I keep hearing they're really good and my only exposure is the old school laptops we got

[raw jasper]

"Refurbished" (which, in my limited experience, means superficially cleaned up and with an SSD popped inside, so IMO it's still best to test RAM) models can be obtained for fairly affordable prices. Even though they are 10+ years old at this point, they're perfectly workable rugged (and, most importantly inexpensive) little machines, so I like them for field use

[wanton thistle]

You have a think pad already. Its called thinking with a writing pad

lol

[raw jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A9GBTFrFTQ

[wanton thistle]

did you just have that ready to go? That was quick

[raw jasper]

browser history autocomplete in the address bar :P

[wanton thistle]

how often does that come up in convo? lol

[rapid geode]

I think the business ones are still very much like the old ibm models.

[raw jasper]

First time. I just tend to have a good memory

lol

[rapid geode]

still have the little red track dot thing even

[raw jasper]

yeah, the lenovo ones still have the trackpoint

FYI, there's a fairly useful wiki https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

[rapid geode]

almost all my computers are lenovo business models cause i either steal them from work or get them as refurbs. they are built like tanks.

[wanton thistle]

this was on onnsemi's website lol

ahhh I see discord is still a bit broken.

From this page though: https://www.onsemi.com/company/news-media/blog/innovation-forum/webdesigner-power-supply-design-tool

has a plethora of info for those who want to DIY a SMPS

[thick wind]

The older thinkpads were like the Nokias of laptops. The newer ones are pretty nice too, but it doesn’t have the same level of value as it once did…

[patent hemlock]

i actually had one of those (quite a bit later than than, though)

[late fulcrum]

I loved the rollermouse that Grid laptops had, but a little strain gauge sensor is much cheaper.

[static flare]

I had a Lenovo Thinkpad X130e

[raw jasper]

Sorry for the "lecture in a bottle" about refurbished thinkpads, then :)

[static flare]

Nah it's all good, I find it cool :3 I wanna get another X130e, maybe an older IBM model too

[rapid geode]

Order of all the chats got scrambled for me. weird. haha. refurbs are greats, but yeah i think "recertified" (meaning they are tested to work) is probably a better term as clearly no one has gone in and repaired anything on them.

[raw jasper]

Agreed

Though you don't really get to complain with the price :P

[rapid geode]

noop

the one running my cnc was $99, with a windows lic... soooooo

basically free

[blissful roost]

I very like this.

[raw jasper]

Gunpla level: Advanced

[blissful roost]

I'd definitely get that as a Gunpla kit

[rapid geode]

does it even transform? my friend designed a lot of the trandformers from the early 2000s and he said they didnt even try to make them transform properly anymore 😦

[raw jasper]

Funny thing is, I actually have no idea about anything related to action figure models. I only know the word "gunpla" from my Japanese studies 😅

[rapid geode]

ha

never really been my thing. i liked the cartoon and "american" toys from the 80s when i was little.

[static flare]

My wife bought me a gunpla kit for us to do together but I keep not building it

[rapid geode]

do it now

[raw jasper]

No time like the present or immediate future!

[wanton thistle]

Or just play battletech and mod it on PC

but then you'll want more daka 👀

[glossy knoll]

I got together with a bunch of friends on Discord and we had a “Gundam craft night” where we all bought Gundam kits and built them live on Discord. Highly recommend, it was super fun and now we turned it into a monthly “craft night” where we all get on Discord and do crafts while hanging out

[raw jasper]

That's really neat :)

[wicked plaza]

😧 that’s amazing

[ebon dew]

That actually sounds like a good time.

[gusty torrent]

Bandai kits spoil you with their engineering tech. Building kits from other companies is like going back 25 years...

[sleek crest]

Hello! How can I receive data on 2 serial pins simultaneously and fast?

By using software serial and hardware serial, one of both is fast and one slow, and that is slow, if I disconnected master, the serial has been receiving data

I think the cause is the buffer

I tried flush function

But no diferențe

I am using adafruit itsy bitsy on 5V

And I need to receive data on 2 serial in the same time

[raw jasper]

Soo, long story short, (most) microcontrollers do not support multitasking. You should write a primitive scheduler to switch between the two serial ports, and use (probably software) flow control to ask the host to stop sending data on the port that is not currently being polled

[sleek crest]

Can you give me a example of microcontroller that support multitasking?

[rain cradle]

pretty sure you'd need two cores for actual multi-tasking (eg RP2040) but afaik micro/circuit python can't currently use both cores
even if you could, changing the way in which you "feed" data to the main processor is likely a better way to do things

for example, you could have a single pin where data from both peripheral devices is read, and a dedicated pin into each of them as in "hey, i want you to send me information" (similar to how SPI works)

i dont think you have/need a permanent flow of data coming from both sides, so toggling between them shouldnt be an issue

[raw jasper]

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/05/ibm-pauses-hiring-around-7800-roles-that-could-be-replaced-by-ai/

[thick wind]

Alternatively, using a device with multiple hardware serial (or in rp2040’s case, PIO) could help a lot in terms of performance. If 5v is a requirement, the only arduino that comes to mind is the Mega, but if you can accept 3.3v logic, samd and rp2040 can both handle multiple serial ports simultaneously in dedicated peripherals.

[neon gale]

i've got a neo 'TrinKey' single key SAMD21 ubs board,
I want to make it a simple HID keyboard, so when i press the key it sends a keycode as if i was pressing the key on my main keyboard.

IS it possible to do this with this board?

I really suck at programming, i managed to load on the example code that gets the led working and sends a key... but it sends it when released, and has the touch sensor stuff on it too... and of course the board when plugged in is seen as a 'usb serial device' and not a HID keyboard.

[stray wind]

It's absolutely possible. Check out this guide page for an example. It includes the touch pad as well, but it'll get you HID for sure. https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-neokey-trinkey/hid-and-cap-touch-example I would suggest starting here, and then asking further questions in #help-with-circuitpython. Get the code going, and then seek help on how to modify it to work for you. 🙂

[neon gale]

thats the code i've been playing with,
But when i modify it to do the key press thing, it sends the keypress on button release (i want to use this key as a microphone push to talk key in a simulator)

Posted for help in the forum suggested, thankyou

[wanton thistle]

be me,
go to design a SMPS on TI's web thingy.
Design looks good.
Go to digikey
Find out part is OOS. Same with mouser.
OK, redesign.
GO TO LINE 4.

pulls hair out from frustration

[dusty citrus]

I'm sorry, but what does that mean? I was looking at umdf/kmdf docs, without understanding anything. I saw this post, but it seems that's limited to mouses/keyboards, which is out of scope in my case

[stray wind]

I am not familiar with the custom HID abilities in CircuitPython. It's not code I wrote, used or documented. Please ask your question in #help-with-circuitpython without tagging anyone specific, and hopefully someone can help you soon. Please be patient, most folks here are community members volunteering their time when they are available.

[night crescent]

WE ARE LIVE! SHOW AND TELL! https://youtu.be/daNceN3FQS4

[tranquil swallow]

Does macos automatically free up space, mysteriously gained 4gb on a hard drive

[copper agate]

I'd like to sign up to share some wearables with the nOOdz I made that are sound reactive, can I appear on the next show?

[hard estuary]

You absolutely can. This learn guide has more info, too: https://learn.adafruit.com/show-and-tell

[copper agate]

thank you!

okay, so there is no ahead of time setup, I just have to ping the board and launch streamyard?

[hard estuary]

Yes, they'll post the link to Streamyard in the #live-broadcast-chat channel and you just join and wait until they call on you for your turn

[sick adder]

so this happened in my basement earlier ...

the failed capacitor is a weird one and I can no longer make out the markings

[short pulsar]

ESP32-S3 is awesome for dot clock displays. I’ve used it to run an 800x480 screen I reclaimed. Got CircuitPython running on it but never got it merged into the core. I definitely recommend the S3. Lots of RAM and the LCD peripheral is super useful.

[sick adder]

http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/Xerox/820-II.html yay the busted cap is identified here!

[late fulcrum]

Looks like a film capacitor, those don't usually go up like that. In fact, it's probably an X or Y rated one, which is supposed to be designed not to do that.

Heh, it is an X class one.

And I'm all too familiar with the "let the smoke out" feeling

[worthy magnet]

Owo, wanna see.

[late fulcrum]

I was eventually able to repair the laser (a fancy tunable helium-neon one capable of producing several different color laser beams)

[sick adder]

cooool

[worthy magnet]

owo wanna see

[mighty lily]

Anyone know how to make the motors on my car spin half the speed? I know it's PWM, but I can't get it to work. I'm using the RPI Pico with the L298N drive controller.

[rain cradle]

i have no experience working with motors, but couldn't you edit the logic like this? ```c
// this is already done
read_inputs();
movement_based_on_inputs();

// new
sleep_ms(5);
stop();
// maybe another sleep, to stay stopped a bit

[spice moss]

may the 4th be with you!

https://tenor.com/view/error404-may-the-force-be-with-you-may4th-may-the4th-be-with-you-star-wars-gif-25588532

if had friend it might look like that

[late fulcrum]

Normally you would use the built-in PWM hardware with analogWrite() if it were Arduino code.

[spice moss]

madbodger your design have some sturcture of lightsaber

[late fulcrum]

It's not really my design, just repairing something in an attempt to have a cool laser without spending the large amount of money a working one costs.

[short pulsar]

Here’s the HACKtablet: https://hackaday.io/project/185831-hacktablet-crestron-tss-752-teardown-rebuild

[worthy magnet]

Oooh nice!

It's 8bit parallel so I guess I can manage that quite easily

[wanton thistle]

I always wondered how people figure out how to talk to displays if there isnt much to go on

[worthy magnet]

it's just plain old RGB888 display

RGB555*

[wanton thistle]

is that a common thing? I tried looking at the code for a ST7796 (et al) and really couldnt understand how people init the displays.

[worthy magnet]

ST7796 is easier

[raw jasper]

I guess logic analyzer + pattern matching if you've interfaced w/. multiple displays over your lifetime?

Speaking of logic analyzer

[worthy magnet]

if you know the chip used to drive, you can just hunt down datasheet

[raw jasper]

I want to get one. Eventually. Don't really want to fork over the money for a saleae (not because I'm cheap, but because the cost of living has been rising). Any suggestions for something from a....... lesser brand?

[wanton thistle]

😅 I tried doing that even with the ST7796 and couldnt figure it out 😅 Im more of a hardware person though

[worthy magnet]

I love garbage screen when you init a display without clearing DDRAM

[wanton thistle]

I have one of those cheap ($10) USB modules. Never used it though.

[fervent nebula]

I have a chinese clone for 8$ and it works perfectly with Pulse view

24MHz is enough for my use case

[thick wind]

Just making sure you’re aware, 8-bit parallel is not the same as rgb888.

[worthy magnet]

yea

[thick wind]

Okay cool

[worthy magnet]

but DMA takes away and it works is good enough

[raw jasper]

I wonder whether these even reach their rated bandwidth :P

OFC, you can't be too picky at $8

[crystal ore]

Mostly, yeah. They're all built around the same Cypress chip, which is basically an 8-bit parallel USB bridge. Sometimes the PC can't quite keep up with the data rates, but since it's digital, there aren't any more subtle "yeah it's sampling at 1Gsps but only has a 20MHz bandwidth" sort of issues you can get with an oscilloscope.

[fervent nebula]

they do, since they are a exact clone of the original

super easy to test on a pico

[raw jasper]

I see!

[fervent nebula]

Only thing to note is I think you have to install a winusb driver with zadig on first use

[gusty torrent]

I'm actually ok with Saelae clones because there's no special design in them, its basically a reference design out of the Cypress datasheet.

It basically does nothing but buffer the GPIOs to the USB.

[fervent nebula]

Also if you use pulseview instead of the salae software you should be able to use it commercialy

[raw jasper]

I'd never consider using unlicensed software anyway

[raw jasper]

Why does the original go for $500 then?

There should be an answer that is more than "profit"

Because in that case, the margins would be unreasonably huge

[fervent nebula]

The thinf is a remake of a older salae, not the new one

The older still was like 100$

[raw jasper]

Oh. I see!

[gusty torrent]

Because the secret sauce is the software

[fervent nebula]

The software actually feels clunkier than pulseview

I just wish pulseview got their buildbot under control

[raw jasper]

I see! It makes sense then, at least as much sense EDA software pricing can make :P

[fervent nebula]

The newer salae's also can do analog

But for the price you can basically get a hybrid scope

[raw jasper]

I mean, the analog discovery is much more affordable

[gusty torrent]

The Logic8 and Logic16 the hardware is utterly vanilla.

[raw jasper]

I found the sparkfun logic analyzer thing, and it looks like the ones sold at aliexpress
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/18627
Says there

Note: On some units the GND connection that's adjacent to input six isn't actually a ground, it appears to be some sort of clock signal. We recommend not using that pin for anything just to be safe.
Is that a known issue with the Chinese ones too?

Also, do these work with all logic levels?

[fervent nebula]

works with 3.3 and 5.0

[fervent nebula]

also says so under features

so 1.8V doesnt work

@raw jasper with a raspberry pi pico its pretty trivial to build a 125MHz one, but you wont get the data to the pc nearly as fast

and it doesnt have a lot of ram, so you can only capture like 250kB

[raw jasper]

I wish they'd also do 1.2-1.8V, but, oh well

[fervent nebula]

which is nothing at 125 MHz

[raw jasper]

For some reason, that tab didn't fully load for me :\

[fervent nebula]

im dumb

[fervent nebula]

you could always use a level shifter for that

I just have to find one that you can buy in low quantities

[raw jasper]

I mean, sure. Not ideal in terms of bandwidth, but, yeah :)

Thanks!

[fervent nebula]

you should probably check the datasheets, since I just picked the first that was cheap and available as 1QTY

also that one is for simcards, so it might not be easy to use for that purpose

yeah that one doesnt look good

[raw jasper]

still, thx for letting me know it's an option. I'll do my research if I need it

looks like it's i2c/smbus specific

(just me taking notes out loud)

[fervent nebula]

yeah didnt look deep enough

try nr 3 https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11771

but the datasheet unly talks about up to 10 MHz

[raw jasper]

thx!

[gusty torrent]

Nearly all microcontroller USB is 1.1

Some of them are 2.0 but still 1.1 data rate

[fervent nebula]

yeah thats why I said that

if you only need a bit you could write it to a buffer and then slowly transfer it

but its pretty bad if you dont decode it directly, or need a long timespan

[gusty torrent]

That's why the Cypress chips are so widely used for that, they can buffer GPIO to USB faster than their own clock speed.

in hardware

Always was kind of fascinated by that

[stuck cobalt]

I would like a TFT and an eink with the same foot print so I can switch back and forth. I am looking at the "7.0" 40-pin TFT Display - 800x480 with Touchscreen Product ID: 2354" any thoughts on a eink screen?

[ebon dew]

https://tenor.com/view/may-the-4th-be-with-gif-25584175

[lunar trench]

may the force be with you

may the fifth be with you

[ebon dew]

https://tenor.com/view/revenge-of-the-fifth-revenge-of-the5th-sith-day-may5th-revenge-of-the-sith-gif-17103632

[sleek crest]

Hello! How can I change serial buffer size?

[ivory juniper]

Is vanilla's os 2.0 out yet?

[tardy badger]

Weird, I thought it was May Return of the 5th, May Revenge of the 6th

[dusty citrus]

Dummie question
There are phones with a side mounted power button, that also act like a fingerprint reader
How is that done?

[patent hemlock]

wild guess (because i have one): there's a trickle of current running through the screen, enough to recognize a press in the general region of the sensor - that "turns on" the screen and sensor to run the analysis process; whether the hardware/software is "clever" enough to only energize only that part of the screen or the whole thing is active and you only see the reaction when you hit the right area

iirc the sensor is a thru-screen camera

[tardy badger]

The newer iPads have finger print reading in the power buttons

[honest jolt]

I'm guessing the button is the same surface as a finger print sensor's would have

[dusty citrus]

I saw that they are capacitive
(Xperias used to have those, now everything has an in button fingerprint)

[tardy badger]

An incredibly advanced form of it

[dusty citrus]

So no luck to find any alike sensor out in the market?

[tardy badger]

You can supposedly buy the sensors on aliexpress but I’m positive your mileage will vary on quality

[dusty citrus]

Everything that I've yet found, is too big...
I keep googling up, but thanks

[tranquil swallow]

Could you recycle a part

[dusty citrus]

Then I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't be able to make it work

Unless it is actually easy
Feel free to correct me

[hot yew]

I'm one day late, but you too!

[tranquil swallow]

What field of study would I look into, to learn how to pick the right laser for the task of heating materials to certain temperatures

[wanton thistle]

Material engineering, mech engineering and probably physics

[late fulcrum]

I suppose there are three pieces to that puzzle. The obvious one is "lasers". The second one is emissivity/albedo, or how objects absorb radiant energy. The third one concerns focussing/diffusing.

[tranquil swallow]

Ty

[worthy magnet]

If there any cheap LCD with RGB input? Could potentially reuse PSP TFT but... I am not keen to ;p

[late fulcrum]

Most of the panels take RGB input, however the controllers that drive the panels take a variety of input. What sort of RGB are you looking for? Digital (like DVI)? Analog (like RS-343)? VGA? Something else?

[idle thorn]

I just watched the new products video. When talking about the RP2040 CanBus board it was mentioned there was firmware for connecting the board to a computer for CanBus access. It was some let of letters I couldn't quite catch. I can't find it on github. Anyone know what that is or where it is?

[thick wind]

You’re looking for a raw dot clock display like https://www.adafruit.com/product/1591?

How cheap are we talking?

[raw jasper]

[offtopic]Is it just me, or is the internet feeling even more.... deserted lately?[/offtopic]

(Lately would qualify as the last few years, but I think it's been more intense?)

[thick wind]

Not sure what you’re referring to?

[raw jasper]

There are fewer individuals publicly, I guess, "posting" stuff?

[tardy badger]

I have noticed that it feels like interactions are far fewer

[thick wind]

I do see articles of millennials/genZ feeling increasingly isolated due to real estate prices, but I don’t think that’s what you’re talking about.

[raw jasper]

Yeah, that's one good way to put it

[thick wind]

Ohhhh, like less of the social media content we’d be used to?

Probably

[tardy badger]

I used to be able to post things and get a fair big of interaction but most people have been swept to parts of the internet that I am not

[thick wind]

The next generation of people is probably all over a different platform like TikTok

[raw jasper]

I feel I can't figure out public social media anymore

[thick wind]

I never felt like I could.

[raw jasper]

I used to use twitter in a read-only fashion, but mastodon and the other replacement services seem to have rules about even that? And they seem to differ per instance? I'm not sure

I can't figure this out anymore tbh

[thick wind]

Idk, but with the great implosion of 2022, twitter is somehow even more dead to me than it was

[raw jasper]

Ah, yeah, as far as I'm concerned, twitter is dead

[thick wind]

I thought mastodon is more like everyone having their own mini twitter islands as opposed to one big contiguous mainland

[raw jasper]

I don't know, I can't figure this out anymore. Haha

I guess I'm "getting old"

:P

I'm not even sure I'm doing discord right 😅

[thick wind]

You seem to be, as far as I can tell.

What is there to figure out

[tardy badger]

Yeah, my issue is I try to keep up on Twitter and mastodon but interactions are way day. My reach and audience is fairly mute anymore

[thick wind]

If you don’t have to mod for anyone or anything, just say whatever according to whatever community’s rules.

[tardy badger]

I spend time in here but I’m socially exhausted anymore

[raw jasper]

I've never managed to "build an audience " anywhere

[raw jasper]

This mirrors my experience

[tardy badger]

I started building an audience in late 2020 and it basically all died when everyone split from Twitter

[thick wind]

If I had more time and my own space, I’d probably consider starting a YouTube blog to track my projects

[tardy badger]

And now I just don’t really have the energy to post much anymore

[thick wind]

Just talk to a camera and cut the parts I don’t like haha

[tardy badger]

Lol

[raw jasper]

You know what? As far as I'm concerned, if I were you, I'd just build a website + company blog and use google adsense

[thick wind]

I used to stream a bit on twitch, but quickly found out I’m not good enough at talking to be very interesting live…

[tardy badger]

I used to have more energy to interact here but now I’m expensing a lot of social energy with having to go into the office and work in a space with no windows and such..

[thick wind]

That takes more energy than I want to spend

I’d rather stick to simpler logging means so I have more for the projects I want to do…

[hard estuary]

I feel you on building and managing an audience, I struggle with my podcast

[tardy badger]

I’m trying to restart my business but I don’t feel like I have the energy to do that. Before I could just tinker throughout my workday when I got anxious and come up with ideas to try after work

[raw jasper]

I don't know what to advise about that. I've never started a business

[tardy badger]

It’s just an energy thing

Work from home is disappearing

[raw jasper]

The commute and other things do take a lot of spoons off

[tardy badger]

So now I’m trying to figure out how to manage my energy so I don’t feel like a sack of potatoes at the end of the day unable to motivate myself to do even the things I love

[raw jasper]

I know! I'm supposed to be doing something right now but I'm feeling overexhausted

[tardy badger]

I have like.. 27 little boards to build that aren’t even hard. Trying to motivate myself to build them is hard

[hard estuary]

don't think of it as 27, just 1 at a time.

[raw jasper]

We need a "projects-motivation/accountability" channel. Or server :P.

I doubt it'd help though haha

[tardy badger]

Each board only has like 4 components each

[raw jasper]

Just start browsing for assembly robots on aliexpress :>

Great way to procrastinate! 👹

So, what are your plans? Once you build enough boards, then what?

Thinking about the end goal seems to help me with motivation, so perhaps it could help you too

[tardy badger]

Well, the goal is to put the stock on my shop

[raw jasper]

Well, there's probably a longer-term goal to running said shop

[tardy badger]

I might wait until my pixel pump comes. It was supposed to ship yesterday

[raw jasper]

Having the right tools definitely helps

[urban arrow]

On this whole subject, I just had to mow the front B4 it hits 92 today. Tired. I'm just sitting thinking of what project I should be doing... (well, like 7 test projects I'd like to do...)

[raw jasper]

Any particular one that seems particularly appetizing to you?

[worthy magnet]

RGB888 or something

[urban arrow]

I just soldered up another Pico yesterday, and want to "permanent" set it up with a DVI breakout board - I have a breadboard wire mess working now with a Pico (Arduino DVI), and want to do more fun modifying the examples. 2nd project more Pico U2IF testing with displays, etc. Oh yeah - something simple been sitting for awhile = ultrasonic sensor to change colors, etc. on a neopixel strip.

[raw jasper]

It seems playing around with the examples would require the least effort. Perhaps start w/. that?

[tardy badger]

It’ll make things quicker with not having to dump out tape strips and tweeze them

[urban arrow]

Yes likely. You'll like this. Doing lot of Arduino this week, and yesterday I went back to CP just to blink an LED test, so I do time.sleep(300) and wonder why it stayed on forever. Duh. Ard delay(300) = microseconds, CP = seconds. Felt pretty dumb (again). 0.3

[worthy magnet]

Interesting!

[late fulcrum]

That sounds like 8 bit per primary digital RGB. There are many different formats for that.

[worthy magnet]

Yeah, probably... I think PSP TFT was RGB888

http://www.pyroelectro.com/tutorials/psp_lcd_fpga/schematic.html

Yeah looks like RGB888 dot-clock

[dusty citrus]

Lucky ya, I just end up sleeping all day

[raw jasper]

Oh yeah, I can imagine that. I should learn to solder one day

[raw jasper]

Can you use circuitpython with a "proper" IDE, such as VS Code or PyCharm? It'd definitely make things like that easier

[violet parcel]

Not sure what happened went to see if my pillow could be some sort of wearables and I woke up 2h later 😦

[raw jasper]

That's a dang good pillow then! 😅

[violet parcel]

pillow casts sleep (10th caster level)

[urban arrow]

Yep using VSCode. Just going back and forth Ard/CP gets me crossed up sometimes...

[tardy badger]

I like to joke about how the reason Japan would nuke the US is because of people like me who not only break up the ramen in ramen noodle packs, dump the seasoning on, and eat it seasoned but uncooked lol..

[glossy knoll]

I think everyone in the US does that at least once around the ages of 9-11 years

[tardy badger]

Yeah, it’s common

[elfin bridge]

It's cheaper than chips.

[tardy badger]

I like to think of unreasonable responses to common habits

[elfin bridge]

A lot cheaper.

[violet parcel]

I do this too. Im addicted to powder gastronomy

[tardy badger]

But it’s probably why Americans get made fun of in the global theatre aside from the obvious reasons that fall outside of the scope of this discord

[violet parcel]

I also do the morocco thing where they dip a piece of bread in olive_oil then pass it throught a mix of spices and eat it

[tardy badger]

But I’ve heard of people in Europe doing it too

[glossy knoll]

Yeah but that rules tho

[elfin bridge]

Have you never been to an Italian restaurant?

[tardy badger]

Oh I love dipped bread

[violet parcel]

I have a spice mill that grind this fine as well so I can do spice mix with the texture of ramen seasoning packets

[tardy badger]

We do olive oil, spices, and sometime basalmic vinegar

[elfin bridge]

I have a Peugeot pepper mill.

I like pepper.

[tardy badger]

Pepper is a great spice

[violet parcel]

but it is a weird spice

[elfin bridge]

Not as weird as allspice.

[tardy badger]

Yeah, especially considering it doesn’t even come from peppers 🙂

[violet parcel]

since some pepper are nuts like pink pepper and some peppers are actually dried citrus type stuff like szechuan peppers

[elfin bridge]

Peppers were named after pepper.

In other languages, they aren't related at all.

I assume.

[violet parcel]

when i was young my cat would come on the table and sniff the black pepper jar and sneeze a couple of times

[elfin bridge]

As do we all.

[tardy badger]

I’m not familiar with the whole of e origin of the names/terms

[violet parcel]

I know right. When I get a new package of black pepper I cant help but sniff it to make sure it's the quality stuff

[elfin bridge]

No sneeze = no good.

[violet parcel]

and not the one mixed with whatever that make the pepper looks brown without any spiciness

you can even make a salad with the ramen seasoning mixes

[tardy badger]

Apparently the naming is the result of Columbus not caring

[violet parcel]

like you cook the ramen along with very small vegetables like peas or finely diced frozen vegetables. Mix the seasoning mix with yogurt or sour cream or mayonnaise

leave it to cool for 12 hours. Way better than it sounds like

[elfin bridge]

Columbus? The guy who ignored scientists on the radius of the planet, called a new continent India, and then killed a substantial portion of the population? It's been centuries. We still do things because of that guy?

[tardy badger]

Yup

[elfin bridge]

fsck

[violet parcel]

in french pepper is poivre, bell pepper is poivron and spicy peppers are piment forts

so the french distinguish between the 3 at least

[elfin bridge]

Okay! I can work with that. It supports my hypothesis.

It also gives me a clue on pimento.

Which aren't spicy at all.

[tardy badger]

Pimento was the Italian word for pepper if I understand language properly

[elfin bridge]

And green and red peppers aren't particularly spicy.

There's some history/logic here.

[tardy badger]

Nope Spanish/Portuguese

I was closish lol

[elfin bridge]

hehehe

[tardy badger]

Pimento is derived from a Latin word that means pigment which is interesting

[elfin bridge]

The only point of pimento stuffed olives is the color. They add no flavor. I guess it makes sense.

[violet parcel]

I almost only eat ramen from singapore so Im a big contributor to their GDP 🤣

[elfin bridge]

I did not know that Singapore was known for ramen.

[tardy badger]

I am weird in that I prefer my ramen noodles to look glassy which apparently is a preference to get you removed from a ramen shop in Japan

[violet parcel]

they aren't put they put the things toghether and export it

[elfin bridge]

Ramen noodles are normally matte.

[violet parcel]

I don't know how much they contribute it vs thailand but noodles says made in thailand & singapore

[elfin bridge]

Glassy is a Filipino thing.

[tardy badger]

And by glassy, I don’t mean rice noodles or mung bean noodles

[violet parcel]

the noddles by themselves are delicious

"mama brand oriental instant noodles ramen"

[tardy badger]

Usually you’re supposed to eat your ramen in less than 10 minutes or the texture degrades too much

[elfin bridge]

[tardy badger]

I was watching a video from a renown ramen chef and he stated that

[violet parcel]

I prefer that instantly when I watch documentary about ramen in japan

[elfin bridge]

It true

[tardy badger]

Like fresh ramen, not instant

[violet parcel]

and they says they been using the same soup base for 2 years 🤮

[tardy badger]

Lol

Think of all the flavor

[elfin bridge]

Yeah. both fail miserably if not immediately eaten.

[tardy badger]

It’s historical flavor

[violet parcel]

and all the bugs and bacteria and viruses

[tardy badger]

Extra flavor and texture 🙂

[elfin bridge]

However, instant has the nice option of being used in leu of chips at much less cost.

[violet parcel]

also my country has nothing better in my opinion as far as restaurant ramen go

I mean they are wrong from the start by cooking them

[tardy badger]

Lol

I like them both ways

[violet parcel]

For 0.50$ vs 20$ my choice is clear

[elfin bridge]

If you have a problem with this, don't go reading the FDA and USDA regulations. You eat bugs regularly, regardless.

[tardy badger]

Yeah, instant noodles are very cheap for sure

[violet parcel]

Im not in the US 😄 Also we are a big producer of uranium and plutonium

so things naturally get cleaned

by radiation

[tardy badger]

I occasionally go to Costco and buy a huge box of pho noodle bowls

[elfin bridge]

I gathered you aren't, but those regulations are written the way that they are because they know you can't keep bugs out of food. Just straight up impossible.

Dead bugs are still bugs.

[violet parcel]

Nah it"s more like when my carrots are 3 weeks in the fridge they start making juices full of bacteria and smell disgusting

[elfin bridge]

If it smells bad, don't eat it.

[violet parcel]

but they might leave one by accident in the soup base for 2 years and it's supposedly fine

[elfin bridge]

That's why I don't eat fish

[violet parcel]

I have the same basic disgust with says meat aged for 60 days or cheeses aged for 2 years

I mean when I do this it doesn't comes out fine

[burnt tendon]

wait, you people just eat raw ramen dusted with the seasoning packs?

Buncha savages.

[elfin bridge]

Aged is fine. Bleu cheese does not smell bad.

[violet parcel]

sometimes I accidently get some in my eyes too

[elfin bridge]

Whiskey does not smell bad.

Beer does not smell bad.

[violet parcel]

And I had to go see the cops near my home before so they would spray my eyes with the mace-repellent liquid thing 😦

[elfin bridge]

Yogurt does not smell bad.

[tardy badger]

So don’t eat durian ?

🙂

[elfin bridge]

Depends. Raw druian? Likey not. After the smelly bits are removed, I'd give it a try.

[tardy badger]

Is there a part of durian that isn’t stinky?

[burnt tendon]

I made too many Durian jokes so I was served a Durian mooncake during mid-autumn festival. Jokes on them, Durian mooncakes are excellent.

[elfin bridge]

Don't knock it 'till you've tried it.

[elfin bridge]

My understanding is that therre is.

[tardy badger]

I see that there is a cultivar of durian that isn’t foul smelling

[burnt tendon]

Also, like, I'd love to see people try the raw ramen stunt with Indian or Korean ramen.

[tardy badger]

Indian and Korean ramen is raw and uncooked like traditional Japanese ramen

[burnt tendon]

Yeah, but the spice packets.

[tardy badger]

If you enjoy salmonella, take a slurp

I personally don’t mind Indian or Korean spices, but dry by themselves are very pungent

[violet parcel]

so what is in hot water ?

[tardy badger]

Delicious

[violet parcel]

like it tastes different from cold water and it taste better

pipe fragments I think ?

[tardy badger]

Usually minerals tend to become more precipitated in hot water

So their taste is more evident

[burnt tendon]

One could call it an ionic discovery.

[violet parcel]

so it's kinda like fake food with lot of chemicals but water version ? 🤣

[tardy badger]

Indeed

Nah, it’s just in hot water the minerals kind of decouple so the water evaporates making it more concentrated

[violet parcel]

Also since I have an IR thermometer (the handheld thing) I noticed my skin is really bad at feeling heat

like my hand starts being alarmed at just 45oC water

[raw jasper]

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/00e0a836815664ba27429bc171fca13aa56e1634/1211_0_4518_4472/master/4518.jpg?width=300&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=c318bfb682fe30e5b055b5613efcf321

[tardy badger]

Yeah, I’ve seen this which is something interesting to me

[raw jasper]

(Alt text: A sign, reading: "No smoking: Fine $1000, No eating or drinking: Fine $500, No Flammable goods: Fine $5000, No durians)

[raw jasper]

Have you ever had durian? I'm definitely curious about it, but I've never seen it

[tardy badger]

I’ve wanted to try it for the sake of trying it

I tend to do fairly well with pungent smelling things so I kind of think I’d be okay

[raw jasper]

In other news, macOS docker desktop is giving me grief

[tardy badger]

I’ve heard people having a few issues since Ventura if that’s what you’re on

[raw jasper]

I may prefer eating a durian to debugging that

[burnt tendon]

You can get durian hard candy

[tardy badger]

Probably not the same experience 🙂

[raw jasper]

According to US Amazon and Japanese Rakuten reviews, the experience may be close enough

(ie. a toss-up between experiencing heavenly flavor and 💩 )

[tardy badger]

I mean the experience of opening up the fruit and feeling the sliminess lol

[raw jasper]

Fun fact: This message is the first time I've ever used that emoji

[tardy badger]

You know what’s funny about that emoji?

It was originally supposed to be a chocolate ice cream emoji lol

[raw jasper]

Wait, are you serious?

[raw jasper]

(Docker trouble update: It looks like making docker store images on an external drive on mac requires a bunch of workarounds I'm not feeling like doing right now)

I had no idea it smiles!

(the emoji. But it looks like it is against the server rules)

[the word it refers to, I mean. The one that starts with p]

[tardy badger]

Really? Interesting

Fascinating

I suppose conversations around the word generally are not productive or appropriate

[raw jasper]

I guess so.

[tardy badger]

But anyway, TMYK 🙂

[raw jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-19118236

[tardy badger]

The Emoji Movie kind of cemented what that particular emoji stands for

[raw jasper]

I haven't had the misfortune of watching it.... yet

I guess you couldn't miss it, since you have kids :P