💬general-discussion

[raven stag]

DAWG THIS 5TH MISSION IS SO DAMN HARD

[novel oyster]

lethal obsession has like 2 guys iirc

[raven stag]

huh

2 hostiles?

[novel oyster]

i remember the naked black guy and another guy with a gas mask i think

[floral finch]

3 guys

[raven stag]

nuh uhhhh i got 2 but died to a trap

and all 4 of my officers

[floral finch]

there are 3 dudes on that map

[raven stag]

the hell

and i still died

[midnight marlin]

its a flashbang
AI can hear ya shoot, talk, blow shit up and kick down doors
if the suspect is close enough to it theyll get fully stunned, if theyre not in direct line of sight of the flashbang but close to it then theyll get stunned, if theyre in direct line of sight but far enough away from it theyll hear the commotion and go investigate, but not get stunned by it

[novel oyster]

skill issue

jk it took me like a few tries too the suspect ai is like toned up or somethn

[swift hull]

So, basically, if the flashbang goes off near them, but they’re not looking directly at it, they’ll still get stunned, but if they’re far enough away, they just hear the noise and come check it out? So, it’s kind of like… the closer they are, the worse it is for them, but if they’re too far, it’s just a sound for them to run toward? And if I shoot the door before the flashbang, does it make the flashbang go off differently, or does it just confuse everyone?

[midnight marlin]

flashbang will work the same way, if you shoot through the door first youll likely get shot back since AI retaliates
other than that you got it

[quartz karma]

are there still plans for female characters? its been 3 years or so

[midnight marlin]

im not entirely sure if you know what a flashbang is, its a grenade that disorients people affected by it

[raven stag]

ive lost 8 officers to the 5th mission

[swift hull]

I think… shooting the door first shouldn’t really mess with the flashbang? But, like, the AI will probably just shoot back if I do that, right? I mean, maybe the flashbang still works the same, but… I’m not 100% sure. Also, if I throw a grenade and it bounces off the wall, does it still count as “thrown,” or is it just a failed throw at that point?

[midnight marlin]

only thing that affects the flashbang is the proximity to target

[raven stag]

how can i survive this mission

cause i want to get farther

[novel oyster]

do u and ur teammates have best armour

[swift hull]

Oh, so it’s really just about how close the target is to the flashbang, and nothing else messes with it, right? So, if I throw it and it’s far enough away, it’s kind of like a dud for them, but still… a sound? And if the grenade bounces off the wall, it’s still considered thrown, I guess??

[raven stag]

whats best

[novel oyster]

heavy armour full coverage. steel prevents death more but when you get shot u get blindness for like 20secs and ceramic easier to puncture but it doesnt disorient you as much.

[midnight marlin]

im not Socrates
whether or not you consider the nade thrown is up to you entirely
if you mean whether or not the grenade is considered active after you throw it then the answer is yes

[raven stag]

ok

[novel oyster]

probs just go steel for teammates and ceramic for you. bang through every door and hopefully itll work lol

[raven stag]

should i put steel or nah

oh alr

[midnight marlin]

grenade goes off 100% of the time that you throw it, its just has less effectiveness over longer ranges which makes it almost entirely ineffective at a long range
best way to utilize a flashbang is by mirroring the door, seeing if there are suspects close by and if theyre holding the door down, if the answer is yes to both then you'd pre-open the door, throw the flashbang in, wait for it to go off and breach right after

[novel oyster]

if you lose all ur officers and start up a mission the game still gives u default ones lol

[solid cape]

Ceramic, dont use steel

[raven stag]

steel for teammates?

[swift hull]

Thanks! So, if I clear a room and the AI hears me talking, do they start getting ready to, like, do something, or do they just, I don’t know, wait for the walls to decide if they should move?

[novel oyster]

doesnt steel prevent death easier. just disorients you more when u get shot?

[midnight marlin]

im not sure if C4 is under-estimated in RoN or not but if you see multiple armed suspects holding the door down then C4'ing is the best way to breach

[swift hull]

So, if I use the mirror gun and the AI sees it, do they just, like, know I’m peeking or do they wait for the mirror to, I don’t know, blink before reacting? And if I use it on a door, does the mirror, like, tell me if the door wants to be opened, or is it just guessing?

[modern mesa]

[midnight marlin]

iirc they get suspicious and start patrolling around the room
im not entirely sure how they react since AI doesnt get much reaction time from me when I breach

[glossy acorn]

well then I would be happy to play with you. im really easy going

[sour prairie]

can you get the sleeper agent achievement in multiplayer?

[midnight marlin]

AI cant see the mirror-gun

[solid cape]

Due to damage bug steel is really bad, you will die faster, accelerate slower and get more suppression effects #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[swift hull]

If the AI can’t see the mirror gun, does that mean the mirror just lets me peek without them noticing, or is it secretly telling them where I am? And if I point the mirror at the ground, does it start looking for suspects under the floor, or does it just… get lost?

[modern mesa]

[novel oyster]

im oce but i dont mind the ping. im overseas (asia) rn and i dont have a mic on my second pc lol

[swift hull]

?

[midnight marlin]

you can check if the door is locked without the mirror-gun, and with the mirror-gun you can check for traps, mirror-gun is a tool and it wont tell you anything
you can order AI to mirror-gun the door for you and theyll report to all that they see, but its un-reliable, and sometimes they dont declare if they saw suspects or not

[glossy acorn]

oh I see btw im also in asia

[swift hull]

So, if I use the mirror-gun on a door, it won’t, like, tell me if it’s locked or anything, right? But if I have the AI do it, sometimes they’ll see suspects, and sometimes they won’t, even if they’re looking right at them? Does that mean the mirror-gun is just… sort of guessing, too?

[modern mesa]

Bro. 😂

[shadow shard]

Talking/walking. They mainly face the door and sometimes get into cover

[somber prism]

.. just press peek at the door

[glossy acorn]

in ARMA they rush on you

[novel oyster]

you can talk in arma?

[shadow shard]

Usually they see anyone who's in direct LoS and anyone who's around a wall/corner doesn't get seen definitely

[modern mesa]

No, you just use smoke signals.

[glossy acorn]

yes

[swift hull]

So, if the AI is using the mirror-gun, do they just stare at the door the whole time and only move if they, like, need to hide, or do they just keep talking about what they see without really checking for things?

[novel oyster]

no and yes

[shadow shard]

Depends on their behavior/waypoint

[glossy acorn]

RADIO comm and simple close proximity chat

[glossy acorn]

in Reforger it is not

[midnight marlin]

you played this game for half the month
at this point youre just baiting 😔 and here i am trying to be helpful

[swift hull]

💀

[glossy acorn]

if you are stacked up outside the door, they will come outside to shoot you

[shadow shard]

The former pretty much. They will run into cover if they get shot, but audio doesn't make them run around

[novel oyster]

i see that was sarcastic rye mb lol

[novel oyster]

so ai can hear your vc in proxim?

[fallen sail]

No

[glossy acorn]

yes even the enemy can

[modern mesa]

No, it's very serious. Every patrol halt, you start a fire and create smoke signals to communicate to each other.

[swift hull]

Got it, so the AI will stick to the door with the mirror-gun and only take cover if they get shot, but they won’t start running around just because of the sounds? Sounds like they’re pretty focused, unless something goes wrong.

[glossy acorn]

ive had istances where enemy in pvp speaks all the plan out

[novel oyster]

oh i thought there was like a vc system like squad. proxim, squad radio and command

[fallen sail]

there is 💀

[modern mesa]

No, just a fire and smoke system.

[fallen sail]

Depending on what arma

[modern mesa]

You craft spears with 2 sticks and 1 rock.

[novel oyster]

reforger we talking abt. i think?...

[swift hull]

Aight no more using AI to ask dumb questions

[fallen sail]

Reforger has a channel system

[shadow shard]

Pretty much. Usually they'll hear you walk up to a door only. SWAT AI + you talking doesn't matter much apparently from what I've seen.

[fallen sail]

Where you can speak on different channels for each squad or have a dedicated platoon channel

[glossy acorn]

channel, squad and platoon

[novel oyster]

ok so it was sarcasm wtf

[raven stag]

are ballistic masks good

[modern mesa]

You don't speak, you grunt like a caveman. Something like this: "Contact front".

[shadow shard]

Mirror gun doesn't make noise, your feet/fat ass with all the gear does

[fallen sail]

they're just better than regular helmets

[novel oyster]

u survive headshots so id say so

[raven stag]

alr

[novel oyster]

[raven stag]

my officers look like juggernauts fr

[fallen sail]

Man, 100 meters, right side

[sacred lichen]

They protect you from pistol rounds

[raven stag]

gud

[fallen sail]

They protect you from all rounds

[glossy acorn]

but not form RPG

[sacred lichen]

Oh

[novel oyster]

🤯

[fallen sail]

if rounds don't ricochet off your helmet ballistic masks will protect you from 2 shots

[novel oyster]

so arma is literally squad but more mod based and content and the graphics are a bit older

[modern mesa]

Arma is a walking simulator.

[raven stag]

ARE U FUCKING KIDDING ME

[novel oyster]

squad is too sometimes

[raven stag]

MY WHOLE GROUP DIED THE SECOND WE OPENED A DOOR

[wide lava]

Yo why the apple ain't smilling with misschief

[novel oyster]

are u banging every room. make sure to bang all the suspects. bang them until they cant move

[glossy acorn]

yeah but reforger is a huge imp in graphics

[swift hull]

Arma 4 should have released 5 years ago

[glossy acorn]

most buds with me play on 60 or less FPS

[raven stag]

12 now

[swift hull]

Arma 3 so 😴

[raven stag]

uhh

[glossy acorn]

im getting 130FPS in arma

[modern mesa]

Try Arma 3 ACRE mod. @novel oyster

[glossy acorn]

reforger

[raven stag]

how do i even know if theres a trap behind the door

[glossy acorn]

RHS the best

[wide lava]

You can peek through the door

[fallen sail]

I'm good on ever touching arma 3 again

[swift hull]

Put your ear to the door

[wide lava]

Or juste use C2 and step far enough

[swift hull]

Listen for the ticking sound

[fallen sail]

Reforger just plays infinitely better

[shadow shard]

"Oops sorry wrong channel
Oops wrong radio"

[novel oyster]

mirror

[raven stag]

imma drop a bunker-buster bomb on this fuckers house soon

[novel oyster]

u think its better than squad?

[modern mesa]

I just say radio check randomly mid-firefight.

[modern mesa]

Depends if you like walking or not.

[fallen sail]

they're about the same price now so pick your poison

[sacred lichen]

You on lethal obsession? Peek every door and check the gap at the bottom, use flashlight if it's too dark

[fallen sail]

Arma is definetly more open-ended than squad

[novel oyster]

oh i have like 80hrs in squad

[fallen sail]

but squad has a better defined gameloop

[raven stag]

alr

[novel oyster]

arma is $7 so id prob buy it

[modern mesa]

I'm talking 4 hour foot patrol walking.

[swift hull]

I have 1200 hours in RON

[fallen sail]

oh i'm talking about reforger

reforger is $40

[novel oyster]

3 it is

[fallen sail]

enjoy the 10 fps

[novel oyster]

maybe not arma 3

[fallen sail]

arma 3 especially

[modern mesa]

Bait.

Join an Australian unit and salute a 14 year old CO.

[fallen sail]

The maps on arma 3 are really good though

both modded and unmodded

[novel oyster]

lmaoo. ig the mil sim is very serious there?

[fallen sail]

arma is the premiere milsim sweat fest

[modern mesa]

It's mixed. Some people are OTT.

Haven't played MILSIM since 2009 Arma 2.

[novel oyster]

ive played mil sim squad but its nothing like 4 hour patrol.

[sacred lichen]

For Hidden & Dangerous am I not allowed to arrest anyone until I get all civies or can I just play it like a S rank run?

[fallen sail]

you are not allowed to arrest

[modern mesa]

Dude, then you write PATREP on seeing nothing for 4 hours. 🤷‍♂️

[sacred lichen]

So do I keep swat ai on hold so they don't auto arrest?

[graceful whale]

u guys ever tried enlisted?

[fallen sail]

The fact you actually needed to write reports 💀

I've never seen a milsim with that

[modern mesa]

We did because it was a persistent mission with other groups.

[novel oyster]

yeah its very grindy like war thunder. its not the worst but not the best

[fallen sail]

😴

[golden laurel]

what happened to the console port of this game

[fallen sail]

enlisted is very mid

[golden laurel]

disappeared

[fallen sail]

I grinded the shit out of it and it never actually got updated to be better

[novel oyster]

yeah i used to play it a lot before ron and squad and stuff.

[fallen sail]

Nothing

[novel oyster]

100 hours of grind for a MP40

[modern mesa]

Oh pax. Some units make you do basic training.

[novel oyster]

yeah i dont really think arma is for me then. squad is just join and play

[fallen sail]

From what i've seen on pubs some people definetly need it 💀

But i've just never bothered with a unit on arma

[modern mesa]

Can I DM you the worst I've seen?

[fallen sail]

Just get some friends and fuck around or go on public servers and shoot the shit

[fallen sail]

i beg

[novel oyster]

@raven stag how u doin man

[exotic maple]

is this a reference to the game "ready or not"

[novel oyster]

u dont walk a lot in ron

[modern mesa]

Ready or Not is a low ready simulator.

[raven stag]

well i already did the 5th mission

it was easy

[next acorn]

I wish the game would have a long barrel m16, that'd be cool

[novel oyster]

ides of march having giving trouble?

[raven stag]

havent started yet

[fallen sail]

sr-16

[next acorn]

long barrel-

[novel oyster]

idk if swat uses the m16

[raven stag]

what gear should i take to the ides of march

like what armor

[fallen sail]

all of it

[novel oyster]

well i use ceramic heavy for everything

[raven stag]

ballistic face armor too?

[fallen sail]

no helmet

[novel oyster]

i dont use mask cuz it looks goofy

[fallen sail]

beyond based

[novel oyster]

well imo

ive seen people hate me for not using it

[fallen sail]

skill issue on their part

[novel oyster]

also it muffles the sound and ur speaking

[naive ledge]

hey

Im Mr. Handsome

[fallen sail]

ok

[somber prism]

Fuck ballistic mask, best one to use is face shield mod

[fallen sail]

i kneel

[floral finch]

ballistic mask looks like airsoft shit

[naive ledge]

Use my underwear as mask

[somber prism]

Who is bro

[novel oyster]

why tf did i laugh like its not even a good joke. like u just came out of no where

[naive ledge]

Sorry burh

[somber prism]

I've rarely or never at all seen actual sf use that

[novel oyster]

nah i genuinely laughed irl for some reason..

[floral finch]

they probably take the piss out of eachother for using it

[naive ledge]

HAHAHAHAHA

[somber prism]

Looks like something you'll see being worn in military or police sf excersises

Like when showing off to the public

[naive ledge]

😂

[novel oyster]

ik some taiwanese sf wear one

[somber prism]

Yeah, i feel like tanking a shot in that is gonna hurt like a bitch

[novel oyster]

taiwan mask will probably terrify average civilians tbh

[fallen sail]

I feel like taking a shot in your mouth won't hurt at all

[novel oyster]

i mean if it saves ur life 🤷‍♂️

[naive ledge]

Is there anyone who is gonna play right now?

[fallen sail]

If you plan on getting shot in the head i mean it's probably better to have one i guess

[glossy acorn]

WHO IS IN GMT TIMEZONE HERE?

[somber prism]

Fair enough.. but i feel like your more likely to take shots from the torso than the head im judt saying

[naive ledge]

I got spongebob underwear

[novel oyster]

plan on getting shot in the head 💀

[naive ledge]

Me

[glossy acorn]

what time you usually play?

[fallen sail]

the mandible is more to protect from debris and other shit from getting onto your face

[naive ledge]

anytime just hit me up

[glossy acorn]

got it. sending you a FR

[naive ledge]

Alright

[fallen sail]

It might actually be good if you're a breacher and you don't want splinters to get in your face

[somber prism]

Maybe thats why we have those glass face shields?

[fallen sail]

Those also work but they're heavy as shit

[novel oyster]

bro the eye holes tho

[fallen sail]

goggles

[naive ledge]

We are going to play right now

[somber prism]

True, but its gign type drip so..

[novel oyster]

wait did we change from taiwan sf mask

[fallen sail]

Yes, that's not a thing in the game right now

We only have a big ass mandible

[somber prism]

We're just talking about ballistic face masks in general

[fallen sail]

If we got the taiwan facemask it would be the only thing i wear

helmet be damned

[harsh edge]

meow

[somber prism]

Atp just wear an EOD suit helmet

[novel oyster]

ron ballistic mask gives a huge vignette too

[somber prism]

Covers all at the cost of being bulky

[fallen sail]

nah i'm not wearing it for the protection

[novel oyster]

drip

[fallen sail]

i'm wearing it for the aura

[somber prism]

In the eyes of civilians you'll look badass, but in the eyes of your fellow sf youll look like a total dork.. but there's more civilians than SF guys soo

[novel oyster]

majority wins

[fallen sail]

I spit in the face of their goofy ass plated helmets

[novel oyster]

u can buy the mask for 400 pounds 💀

[fallen sail]

on second thought i think i'll stick to the provided helmet

[somber prism]

Or even better, just use the altyn helmet and the face mask

Now you can look badass to both civilians and VDV members

[floral finch]

you try to spit but it just hit the inside of the facemask

[halcyon oar]

i want helmt from first trailer

[raven stag]

i did the ides of march yippee

[novel oyster]

sinuous trail was very difficult the first time i played it

[raven stag]

ok'

imma see what'll happen

i seem good at this game but i have a aggressive playstyle

[fallen sail]

Someone's working on that

[sacred lichen]

Aggressive is the best way to play it, no need to mirror every door just be good at cqb and keep security at all times

[raven stag]

yeah

[midnight temple]

how can i use the helicopter feed in ready or not

[novel oyster]

hold tab

only on dark water missions

[midnight temple]

oh

its sad that the only way to 100% this game is by buying dlc's

[novel oyster]

does multiplayer count?

[midnight temple]

ye

[novel oyster]

host with dlc can play

[novel oyster]

i mean its the only maps with a helicopter flying around

[midnight temple]

I know, I wanted to buy the dlcs anyway

thanks anyway

[novel oyster]

i bought it and have only played the yacht so far and i already think its worth it

[fallen sail]

it isn't though

[timber bear]

Hey is there any channel where I can promote RoN video?

[novel oyster]

maybe game clips idk as long as its all ron

[raven stag]

dawg i just did the server job place

i meant the sinous trail

i ran around searching for a guy for 15 mins

and he just popped out of a corner and lost his hand to my gun

[fallen sail]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[graceful whale]

hav e u guys tried bodycam

[raven stag]

nah

[floral finch]

the one where you hobble about like drunkards?

[fallen sail]

The asset flip, yeah

[rigid bone]

It just sucks that the actual Devs are taking their time

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[raven stag]

what mod should i get to make this game bloodier

[pliant briar]

how does it suck that they take their time?

[pliant briar]

all you need is a shotgun

[raven stag]

oh

but a shotgun is sort of bad

[rigid bone]

It sucks because they've lost their optimal window of hype building, they could have sprinkled some sort of video, dev log, more early gameplay, etc, but now if they release anything they'll be on the backfoot

[pliant briar]

oh, it sucks from a business perspective

[rigid bone]

I know fully well how hard game dev is, but if you want to ship it, you need to have some sort of content drip

[raven stag]

yall know what happens when this game gives me the use of a shotgun

[pliant briar]

also, didn't body cam kinda show that this "genre" doesn't look so good outside of screenshots and promotional materials?

[rigid bone]

The genre really has legs in a proper single player game

[halcyon oar]

i hate bodycam they probably ruined unrecord

now unrecord is gonna be called a ripoff

[rigid bone]

If it ever sees the light of day

I really, really want it to though

[halcyon oar]

wish there were more updates ngl

every few months i remember it exists, check the twitter and there's nothing

[gaunt holly]

The new leaks don't look very promising

[vast osprey]

guys, who else had issue when suspects gun just disapears? We are playing twisted nerve mission on S rank and we can't find gun. How to solve it? I guess it fall under textures or something

[untold trellis]

guys look in ron media and pls help me

[raven stag]

this post office thingy is too hard

greased palms

[gaunt holly]

Just restart. It's not worth it to run around for 10 minutes looking for evidence

[halcyon oar]

greased palms.. 😟

[gaunt holly]

I have a roadmap for greased palms

Let me show you my drawing

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[waxen latch]

The bodycam ue5 gimmick and its consequences

[sacred lichen]

I thought I had this on greased palms but it turned out I missed the soft obj in the parking lot

[fallen sail]

It sucks mostly since they've lost their insane hype by now

It also got fucking butchered by the people who made bodycam

It's likely a lot of people will now see those game's mechanics as gimmicky without giving it a try

[iron spear]

any tips on greased palms?

i swear its my 20th run and i cant seem to complete it eithout getting killed from ridiculous angles

[half stratus]

gas

lots of gas

[runic aspen]

You could try using a shield.

[raven stag]

15th time losing yippee

imma take a shotgun next and kill everything that moves

[supple needle]

New server logo go hard

[supple needle]

all AI shields, five sevens.

[crude lake]

No joke, 5/10 people think they are the same game.

I talked to people who bought the game, because of the trailer, which turned out to be Unrecord.

[raven stag]

OH MY FUCKING GOD

HOW DO I DIE EVERY DAMN TIME

[polar river]

whats ur loadout

[raven stag]

idk

heavy armor

and ar

or something

[polar river]

are u using cs/flash? it rlly helps w/greased palms

[raven stag]

i should be

the cs gas??

[polar river]

yeah

[raven stag]

now i do

[polar river]

i like cs, but flash is also effective

[teal knot]

anyone bought their merch tshirt?

hows the quality?

[gaunt holly]

Never used cs gas before. Flash works fine

[sacred lichen]

I like cs more cuz it's more consistent and it keeps them stunned for longer, also you don't flash yourself or your teammates

[raven stag]

YAY I DIED FUCKING AGAIN

HIHI

[sacred lichen]

Clear outside first, work big mail room from the back of the parking lot

[gaunt holly]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[sacred lichen]

I do the same but I go front office main entrance first, works just as well

Not to be that guy but I never have trouble with greased palms, so this is probably the best route

[gaunt holly]

Front office main is where I start too. With the orange line. Prob should make that more clear

[glossy acorn]

Bought RON Rn and will play in few hours to see how immersive it is.

[sacred lichen]

Oh I meant the reception area thing with all the blood, I actually do the other office last

[gaunt holly]

Oh I see. Looks like I skipped that area in my diagram lol. I actually do the bloody office last

So my drawing is actually incorrect

[raven stag]

why are my captured videos all black

[gaunt holly]

I'm not sure. Perhaps a moderator could provide you with a solution

[raven stag]

it was in something

matroska file

i put it to mp 4

but i gtg now

bye

[gaunt holly]

👋

[hollow garden]

same

one officer resigned. RIP

[raven stag]

The greasy palms mission is Hell

Ive not beater it for 2 hours

[ancient jackal]

i was able to s rank it by using a shield and gas grenades

[raven stag]

Oh

[calm tiger]

What is the best Assault rifle and with what attachments? (I just got the game)

[crude lake]

Definitely stay away from the SA-58.

[gaunt holly]

Sr16

[harsh edge]

sls chan

🥺

[gaunt holly]

Omg ssk

[calm tiger]

what attachments?

[gaunt holly]

Flashlight and whatever sight you like

[calm tiger]

grip?

[gaunt holly]

Yes

[gusty stump]

ARN with angled grip, laser and suppressor. Use canted sights and you are good with that.

[rigid bone]

It's fine

the GA52 exists now

[gaunt holly]

Will a 20 incher ever be added to the game?

[crude lake]

[harsh edge]

uwu

[waxen latch]

https://tenor.com/view/lick-tongue-hungry-smile-ahh-gif-15649154

[stray spire]

huh

[green tusk]

19 inches of venom

[marble sentinel]

and.. the other 1 left?

[green tusk]

20 inches of barrel

[glossy acorn]

Guys How many players are their on the team with us?

[quick zephyr]

I need help with mods can someone message me if they can help?

[uneven basin]

#🔧modding-chat

[stray spire]

Good chance I get back into RON this week

[gaunt holly]

Why this week?

[stray spire]

Been a hot minute since I have played

[night oxide]

Why not wait til next year?

[stray spire]

I dunno

[mighty matrix]

anyone have some good gun mods or skins they can send me i cant find any good ones i want some type of m249 but the one i downloaded i cant find in game

[gaunt holly]

Need a 20 inch mod

[stray spire]

Breh

What with 20 inches

[gaunt holly]

20 incher. Preferably in .308

Actually give us 20 incher in 5.56 as well

[mossy fjord]

anyone know how to buy the coffee in headquarters

i think im supposed to insert coins but i dont have any

[uneven basin]

Real

[shadow shard]

Make sure you're capturing the window you want to record. OBS?

[raven stag]

Huh

Yeah

Someone recommended for me to use obs

Also theyre Black In my videos folder

[void turtle]

sometimes its due to a window being fullscreen

[raven stag]

Bruh

Well whats the setting to make it

[void turtle]

go into ron settings, should be general or something, and turn fullscreen to windowed borderless

[raven stag]

I dont have the energy to edit my toolbsr or anything like that out since i dont have a good editing thing

[shadow shard]

... or use Game Capture instead of Window Capture

YT has plenty of tutorials

[void turtle]

perchance

[raven stag]

But

[shadow shard]

Could just make it record your desktop I guess

[void turtle]

perchance

[shadow shard]

I don't have the energy for 1:1 step-by-step instructions right now, use Google or YouTube

[void turtle]

perchance

[raven stag]

But i hate having my taskbar In the clip

[void turtle]

you dont have to

[raven stag]

How tho

[void turtle]

if a game is fullscreen taskbar shouldnt show

[raven stag]

It looks ugly and ruins the clip

[void turtle]

or borderless windowed

[raven stag]

Oh

Ill see that tomorrow

Bye

[cursive sentinel]

are you capturing the 'application' or your screen?

[raven stag]

Obs

I just press the record shortcut

[raven stag]

Ur sure

[void turtle]

yeah

[cursive sentinel]

sorry; within OBS, the settings may be to capture the screen rather than the application itself, and i've found that changing it helps

[void turtle]

🙏

[shadow shard]

When you have the time/energy please look further into this because no one else will be able to explain this to you properly without pictures.

Google. YouTube. Fucking Bing.

This isn't a tech support server.

[void turtle]

alright dude damn we get it no need to be so rude

[raven stag]

Sorry

[void turtle]

@raven stag are you gonna fix it tomorrow?

[void turtle]

i assume you are seeing this

[raven stag]

Nah i gotta change that somehow

[void turtle]

i can send a video as to how to fix it

[raven stag]

Yuh

Cause

Imma go sleep soon

[void turtle]

sharp

[raven stag]

Bye now

[lucid hornet]

we need more 10.5s

[void turtle]

what does this even mean

like 20 inches as in gun length?

[gaunt holly]

We already have a variety of shorties. Need 20 inchers

[void turtle]

theres enough ar's

we need a sniper or a bolt action

[modern mesa]

Oh no.

[void turtle]

or an airgun for nonl

[gaunt holly]

Not enough, acktshually

As said before, we're severely lacking in the 20 inch department

[void turtle]

eh who cares, all guns shoot, wheres the problem in what we have

[gaunt holly]

Acktshually 🤓☝️, altho you are correct, there are still no 20 inchers

[shadow shard]

20 incher gang

[gaunt holly]

If next DLC no 20 inch, then I'm going to write a formal complaint

[modest fern]

Denied

[distant tusk]

are you able to get multiplayer with the “story mode”

[modest fern]

No, the game is however the exact same besides not having access to the officer traits and stress system.

Oh and all maps being unlocked in COOP, but you can just play them in order still.

[modern mesa]

Are you ready?

Or not?

[modest fern]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-pointing-ah-ah-he-said-it-gif-24183120

[odd mulch]

Why do you need a 20 incher the F90 is a 15 inch barrel and reaches out to pretty much any distance you can pull find yourself in

[modest fern]

If I can't hit a civilian 5 houses over is it even a good gun

[uneven basin]

I like that you specified civilian

[odd mulch]

Not when you gotta swing a foot from the wall In cqb 😂

[lament shard]

Who’s on today

[little hawk]

I'm on one

[uneven basin]

No, who's on first. Today is in the outfield.

[lament shard]

You down to run one with me

[gaunt holly]

To pass the vibe check

[little hawk]

Oh I was making a pun

I'm not RoNing rn

[mortal kindle]

hello

[odd mulch]

Only if it’s another bullpup that way the length isn’t terrible in cqb otherwise its just obnoxious

[gaunt holly]

👋

[jolly trench]

If void adds one more 5.56 ar I’m sending anthrax to a devs house

[mortal kindle]

did you guys get ready or not in your steam year in review?

[gaunt holly]

Bullpup 🤢

[mortal kindle]

they added 7.62 in DW Whatchu talking about

[odd mulch]

Bullpup is the reason why F90 is good in cqb

[jolly trench]

I know…. I’m saying if they add another…. Read….

[mortal kindle]

im fine if they added 5.56, 5.56 and 9x19 parabellum is extremely common in law enforcement

[lament shard]

Only got any tips i started yesterday it seems pretty good tho

[jolly trench]

We already have like 8 fucking 5.56 ars… why do we need more… we don’t

[lament shard]

Anyone*^

[gaunt holly]

Grenades are why you don't die in cqb. But we don't have that in game so 20 incher will do

[mortal kindle]

your right so when more gets added to irl lets add more 5.56 ars!!!!

[jolly trench]

What?

It’s about arsenal bloat

Having 6 different guns that operate the same and are effectively the same

Kind of like how we have 4 different mp5’s

We could settle with 2… the mp5 and mp5sd

[cursive sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/sumi-sumicat-sumi-cat-this-this-right-here-gif-4213046604909690557

[gaunt holly]

Nothing wrong with having more

[hardy canopy]

Ofc we need more

[mortal kindle]

your essentialist, im extremist with my arsenal bloat

[modest fern]

Don't try to rush around, you will die, play smart and slow, but not too slow.

[jolly trench]

There is something wrong with having more

[gusty stump]

We need more maps.

[jolly trench]

We could have more unique weapons but no… more 5.56 ars that look and function the same

[odd mulch]

This is what I hated about the beginning of RoN all the rifles were so similar to each other at first lol obviously some stood out but most of them looked exactly the same for the most part

[gaunt holly]

Nothing wrong with that. It's just simply a very good platform

[hardy canopy]

All unique weapons kinda suck, although could add a bren

[modern mesa]

I wish they removed all bullpups.

[gaunt holly]

I agree 💯

[mortal kindle]

you know what the dev team should add that everyone here can agree with??

We should be able to move through our swat teammates, the swat AI Can move through eachother to get into position so why not us?

also they should add the ability to actually stack up with the AI

[jolly trench]

Kinda is something wrong with that. If it’s such a good platform then use any of the many ars we have

[glad crystal]

this is to stop path finding issues i assume

[gusty stump]

Yeah but dont you just like it, when they comment and want you to move away every single time, when you are even bumping shoulders with them? c:

[floral finch]

ready or not needs more bullpups.

[modest fern]

My thoughts on why the AI don't move around us is because they aren't programmed to actively generate new waypoints. You notice it when you tell an AI to move towards you, then tell your AI to cuff them. The SWAT will go to where the sus/civilian was last instead of where they are.

I assume mainly for performance reasons or less complexity.

[glad crystal]

not sure if swat really use bullpups irl but would make sense since most places are cqc

[floral finch]

Not sure if swat really use MC51/HK51's

[mortal kindle]

dont you just like it when your trying to escape gun fire and the HIVEMIND Gets in your way?

so you gotta flag them?

[modern mesa]

[glad crystal]

one of the main reasons bullpups are used

[gaunt holly]

It's good platform bc it's so modular. Many general variations are still missing

[glad crystal]

shorter but still retaining the same velocity

[modest fern]

I keep telling yall, the easy fix to get any gun you want into the game is to mail ten of them to your local police team and ask them to take selfies with them

[modern mesa]

You just said they're not used. Which is true.

[glad crystal]

where did i say this

[floral finch]

are you illiterate.

[glad crystal]

'not sure if they are used'

[modern mesa]

Right here.

[glad crystal]

'they arent used' and 'not sure if swat really use them' mean two different things

[jolly trench]

You can barely see the length of the barrel in first person and 20 inches is not doing anything that 14 isn’t in cqc.

[glad crystal]

calling someone illiterate because you misunderstood a sentence is pretty funny

[jolly trench]

You just want the arsenal to be more complicated and bloated than it already is

[floral finch]

it gets the point across.

[jolly trench]

Not really

[gaunt holly]

Imagine being against having more ARs

[jolly trench]

Dude we have like 6…..

[glass moat]

hello

[gaunt holly]

And we could have more

[jolly trench]

What would more accomplish

[gaunt holly]

Variety

[glass moat]

74 hours...

[jolly trench]

Oh so having even more of a platform with way too many entries so variety?

[modest fern]

You underestimate how happy some people are getting the gun they like even if it is the same as the others

[glad crystal]

can we get the fat mac in game

[uneven basin]

Except me, that mp5sd has no burst and too much recoil

[jolly trench]

And 5.56 is a shitty caliber anyways, why do you want more

[modest fern]

Skill issue

[modern mesa]

Even where bullpups are popular at a national level, most SWAT don't use it.

[jolly trench]

5.56 hasn’t been relevant since 2010

[distant tusk]

so many pistol calibers to go

[floral finch]

give us a real AK

[jolly trench]

And that was a stretch

[gaunt holly]

With this logic, a mk18 is the same as a m16

[floral finch]

bait used to be believable.

[modest fern]

There is no better feeling then giving your team MP5SDs and going commando mode on yacht

[floral finch]

SBS Larp

[patent zodiac]

guys have question, can i play mods in multiplayer with friends? like custom maps

[jolly trench]

They kinda are…. The ar platform hasn’t evolved in any meaningful way besides the externals since the 80s really

[modest fern]

Yes #❓modding-faq for specifics

[gusty stump]

Did just this, while all looking like SAS with gas masks and stuff. hehee

[uneven basin]

I wonder if they'll ever give it a laser

[gaunt holly]

Lol wut... No

[jolly trench]

It’s not bait. Now everyone the US is likely to fight has body armor that makes 5.56 irrelevant. 5.56 was great fighting the unarmored vietcong, but it is now an irrelevant caliber.

[harsh marten]

Flashlight supremacy anyway

[floral finch]

Are you like, medically diagnosed with something?

[glad crystal]

getting hit with 5.56 even with armour will still put you on your ass

[jolly trench]

I like doing that but the issue is the mp5sd rail is not removable

[odd mulch]

@modern mesa why you hate bullpups

[gaunt holly]

Everything you said in this message is just straight up wrong lol

[modern mesa]

556 is definitely not irrelevant.

[jolly trench]

So will 9mm. There’s a reason we don’t use 9mm in rifles.

[jolly trench]

How?

[uneven basin]

If only SWAT teams were fighting the vietcong, then the 5.56 would make sense

[glad crystal]

getting hit by 9mm while wearing ESAPI will not put you on your ass

[gusty stump]

Also other thing with MP5 is that, if your arms are broken, for some reason MP5 always bounces like crazy. No other weapon does it, like them...

[floral finch]

swat needs 6.8mm clearly

[modern mesa]

Triggers, ergonomics, useless waste of space in any team inventory.

[odd mulch]

Yeah I’m taking 5.56 over the 9mm in this game every time 9mm feels useless when we go against heavily armored terrorists

[patent zodiac]

another question, when i started the game with steam i clicked on start the game with no mods or no game files instead of direct x versions do you know how i can change this bc i think it doesnt work bc auf this

[jolly trench]

5.56 will kill you but it was designed for unarmored targets and is no longer the best intermediate cartridge. ever think there was a reason why gov is researching higher calibers for infantry weapons?

[odd mulch]

But the F90 is shorter than the HK416 for example but with a longer barrel thanks to the bullpup design

[modest fern]

Right click the game > properties > launch options > ask on launch

[glad crystal]

it was never the best intermediate catridge

[gaunt holly]

Free floating handguards were invented. Which significantly improved barrel harmonics. Flat top receivers also became a thing. Allowing for more optic mounting solutions. It's not just meaningless changes to the "externals"

[jolly trench]

It got the job done.

[glad crystal]

still does

[harsh marten]

That’s different than being the best

[mortal kindle]

5.56 Armor piercing is best since it wont kill people on impact

[jolly trench]

Those things you mentioned all fall into what I said. The ar platform besides its furniture is the same exact thing we had in Vietnam

[jolly trench]

I worded it badly.

[floral finch]

5.56 isnt designed to kill.

[patent zodiac]

which option would you prefer for good fps with mods?

[modest fern]

That is up to your hardware, try 12 and if you don't like it try 11

[jolly trench]

Lol

[floral finch]

it isnt though

[jolly trench]

It is…

[floral finch]

Its designed for wounding.

[modest fern]

I will end this argument once and for all

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-tf2engineer-use-a-gun-and-if-that-dont-work-gif-17911768

[floral finch]

to waste enemy resources.

[glad crystal]

where did this idea come from

[jolly trench]

There is no weapon designed for wounding. Weapons can only be designed for killing or not killing.

[harsh marten]

I mean, this argument is dumb but saying 5.56 is made for wounding is kinda insane

[jolly trench]

There is not a single gun designed for wounding out there.

[uneven basin]

Me magdumping a thug in a t-shirt on lawmaker with the mp5 (and still dying)

[floral finch]

mf, i've been taught it at phase 1 training.

[gaunt holly]

ARs also have a variety of buffer weights and lengths. A variety of gas and barrel lengths. All which make a huge difference in performance. You can also mix and match to create a monstrosity or perfect system. It's not just "all ars are the same" 🤓

[jolly trench]

The original thing was me not wanting more arsenal bloat

Which is reasonable

[lucid hornet]

5.56 is made to be shot, i win

[uneven basin]

5.56 is made

[jolly trench]

5.56 is not made it materializes

[uneven basin]

Damn

[pliant briar]

12 hours until new year

[modest fern]

I don't think therei s much of an issue with adding more weapons if it makes players happy, people were begging for the G3, M14, and MP5SD for the longest time. I can't imagine weapons are very gb intensive.

[modest fern]

me still on the 30th

[harsh marten]

That’s typically what bullets are designed for 😭

[gaunt holly]

But saying a 20 incher is the same thing as a mk18 is just insane

[harsh marten]

The winner

[jolly trench]

It’s not about size bloat it’s about entering the loadout selection and seeing 8 5.56 ars

[uneven basin]

The zip gun was designed for

[jolly trench]

When did I say this?

[floral finch]

give us an AR10 then

7.62mm ar

[jolly trench]

I would be fine with this

[modern mesa]

So?

[harsh marten]

Bullpup 😴

[jolly trench]

A 20 inch vs an mk18 is not an evolution… that’s just a change in barrel length

[lucid hornet]

what about the HCAR? would 30-06 be too powerful?

[mortal kindle]

[gaunt holly]

It's a difference

[odd mulch]

Makes it more accurate and able to reach out further than the HK416 but it's also shorter because of the design making it better in CQB

[jolly trench]

Not a meaningful one

Not a huge game breaking advancement

[mortal kindle]

already added the m14 7.62 modifier

[jolly trench]

I would be fine with other caliber ars

Like an ar10 for example

[lucid hornet]

yeah but i want 30-06, not 7.62

[gaunt holly]

What? The buffer and gas systems are completely different

[jolly trench]

My issue is with even more 5.56 ars

[floral finch]

5.55?

[pliant briar]

they both shoot, right?

[jolly trench]

It was obviously a typo you pedant

[floral finch]

proof read then.

[jolly trench]

Lmao

[uneven basin]

Yall

[gaunt holly]

True. Which is why I don't see a problem with more 5.56 ar's

[lucid hornet]

just for this theyll add another AR, this time in .223 rem

[jolly trench]

What would be cool is an acr

We can get behind an acr, right

[odd mulch]

Just give us different 5.56 rifles, we got what, 3 AR variants already?

[floral finch]

no

[gaunt holly]

The acr is ass lol

[odd mulch]

We dont need to keep adding more AR variants

[harsh marten]

I don’t see the problem with adding more 556 ARs since a lot of people like a lot of 556 weapons

[lucid hornet]

what about the HCAR?

[jolly trench]

Well so is the mp7 but we have that don’t we

[gaunt holly]

It's a huge hunk of bullcrap

[uneven basin]

The ACR at least looks different >.>

[floral finch]

inshallah death to the HCAR

[jolly trench]

Yeah

[modern mesa]

That's the theory of the weapon design. But then, why say in Australia do teams doing exclusively CQB roles like Special Recovery not use them when their national weapon is a bullpup?

[lucid hornet]

nooooooooo 😭

[jolly trench]

The acr is a 5.56 rifle that looks different. That’s enough for me.

5.56 ars all look relatively the same

[floral finch]

chat can we hang this dude

[harsh marten]

True

[lucid hornet]

ruger mini-14?

[jolly trench]

And it’s just not a great design choice to open the loadout menu and have it flooded with extremely similar 5.56 ars

[pliant briar]

why change something that works

[jolly trench]

That’s not an ar…..

[gaunt holly]

Skill issue

[lucid hornet]

i didnt read everything, mb

[odd mulch]

Probably because in real life the ergonomics of a bullpup is very different from any other rifle, and the trigger pull/ambidexterity is being sacrificed but this is a game where that doesn't get factored in, just the actual statistical results of said guns

[jolly trench]

Why do we have other guns? For variety…. Why not remove every gun besides the mk18 and Glock? For variety

More 5.56 ars is not variety

[pliant briar]

it very much is variety

[gaunt holly]

I can get behind this

[harsh marten]

Personally I’m a .300 fan so 🤷‍♂️

[lucid hornet]

this. add more 300 blackout

[gaunt holly]

False

[jolly trench]

I mean we have I think 3 .300 ars

[odd mulch]

is .300 blackout still ridiculously strong against armor lol

[modern mesa]

You can use a brass deflector to be fair.

[lucid hornet]

not enough, we need more

[gaunt holly]

None of the ars in game look the same idk what you're on

[uneven basin]

A different handguard and stock is not a different gun

[gusty stump]

I agree with this.

[jolly trench]

I think you are just illiterate…. Unable to read what I said

[pliant briar]

the lower receivers look mostly the same

[odd mulch]

u get what im sayin though this is why people in general choose to go against the bullpup design IRL and it makes perfect sense, but ingame those issues aren't relevant

[harsh marten]

Yeah there’s 2 blackout and a regular .300 too

[modern mesa]

But also because CQB isn't just barrel length, otherwise everyone would be running MP7s.

[jolly trench]

A different handguard and stock is not the same gun as chadd said

[gaunt holly]

They all appear to have different barrel lengths too

[harsh marten]

I’m just saying I prefer .300 weapons over others regardless

[jolly trench]

That’s not a huge difference

[harsh marten]

I don’t need more but that’s what I like

[gaunt holly]

It is a huge difference

[lucid hornet]

sr-16 my beloved

[gaunt holly]

❤️

[jolly trench]

Oh yeah that’s ok. As long as the new .300 gun would be .300 and not blackout

[pliant briar]

short barrel means nothing if you have a nerf cartridge

[odd mulch]

Barrel length isn't everything but it makes a difference. The gun is still ingame more accurate and reaches further ranges because of its 15 inch barrel

[lucid hornet]

more blackout needed

[uneven basin]

I wish smgs were viable

[odd mulch]

And it has better handling on top of all that

[mint nimbus]

any good shooter recommendations if i like this game, squad, ground branch, and dayz ig?? zero hour looks kinda mid idk

[jolly trench]

I think we should focus on fixing guns we already have. Like adding the integrated red dot as an option for the mp7

[lucid hornet]

Six Days in Fallujah

[modern mesa]

Maybe if you're one of those "pick the best stats" people. I just don't like bullpups.

[modest fern]

Arma 3 is always an option.

[jolly trench]

Ground branch is ass. DayZ is fun but not similar to this at all

[harsh marten]

I’d be fine with more .300

[jolly trench]

Sandstorm is fun, arma is fun, haven’t played squad

[odd mulch]

I also just love the look of bullpups so I'm bias :p

[gaunt holly]

No, the focus should be on suspect AI. The default and only gun anyone can use should be the sr16

[pliant briar]

that's what you should do when you have unlimited budget :P

[modern mesa]

How though?

[odd mulch]

It just so happens that this time the statistics of the bullpup works out better in my favor

[uneven basin]

ngl kinda icked out shooting anything that long

[jolly trench]

I think we should get the mp7 folding grip and the p90 integrated red dot as options

And the carry handle for the mk18

[harsh marten]

I HATE bullpoop guns

[gaunt holly]

It's not even long lol. According to ron wiki it's a 13.7

[pliant briar]

does bro really think longer barrel == better accuracy in ron?

[mint nimbus]

its on sale miiight get it

[mint nimbus]

agreed on both

[odd mulch]

It translates ingame pretty well actually

[harsh marten]

If I got more steam credit for Christmas I was gonna get it

[uneven basin]

I'm going less by the wiki and more by how likely it is to get kicked up in my face on a corner, esp if I put a suppressor on it

[harsh marten]

Out of the budget right now 😔

[odd mulch]

And somebody was literally arguing for a 20 inch barrel for the same reasons, so if barrel length didn't matter why would they want a 20 inch barrel

[gaunt holly]

Skill issue

[jolly trench]

Ground branch is an early access scam with a good weapon system and a nothingburger of a game otherwise with no gameplay

[pliant briar]

for looks?

[gaunt holly]

For vibes

20 inch just looks way cooler

[odd mulch]

A lot of people in here b wanting bolt action rifles, long barrel guns, like bro at the end of the day we're still playing CQB

[pliant briar]

except it doesn't

[uneven basin]

People disagreeing with your preferences is a skill issue

[modern mesa]

Check DM, @odd mulch

Rate.

[jolly trench]

I want the p90 integrated red dot. Sandstorm and css are the only two games that come to mind that feature it

[harsh marten]

“Guys when are snipers coming!”

[gaunt holly]

You ramming your barrel into a wall causing your character to pull the gun up is 100% skill issue

[lucid hornet]

clearing rooms with a remington 710 would be so fun

[uneven basin]

In a cqb game. Right.

[pliant briar]

would be less common if the view model didn't suck as much

[modern mesa]

Legitimately true.

[odd mulch]

Yes but now you're forced to swing wide as hell BECAUSE of barrel length lol, when ur supposed to hug the wall

[gaunt holly]

Skill issue?

[jolly trench]

I also want a new head gore model that is just a regular stump instead of this shitty head thing that only works in some situations and looks so off in most

[gaunt holly]

Gotta work with what you have

[pliant briar]

tl;dr use gunfighter

[modern mesa]

No, you just step away from the frame more and angle it in.

[gaunt holly]

☝️

[modern mesa]

You can keep shouldered and nearly 100% on sights.

[odd mulch]

ur right, and if we had a 20 inch barrel I just wouldn't use it because I prefer a gun that's better for CQB

[uneven basin]

We have other guns that aren't as long 🤡

[odd mulch]

I don't need a 20 inch barrel to clear a bedroom bruh

[uneven basin]

Skill issue apparently

[jolly trench]

I also want the optics mount on some weapons to be removed unless an optic is used. The mp5a2 does this, why can’t the mp5sd and g3 as well

[odd mulch]

Like if they add 20 inch barrels, im happy you got what you wanted, I'm just saying it's not even needed.

[uneven basin]

Yeah

[jolly trench]

Also the sights on the m14 need to be raised because the rail almost completely blocks them and makes them difficult to use

[gaunt holly]

90% of the guns in game are not needed lmao

[odd mulch]

I just wont be happy if bolt action rifles get added, that is the dumbest shit

[pliant briar]

all you ever need in ron is ARN18

[jolly trench]

No shit. It’s for variety. Game would be boring as hell if the only usable ones were 5.56 ars

[gaunt holly]

Sr16*

[gusty stump]

MK17*

[uneven basin]

SLS getting blue balls because the barrel isn't big enough

[gaunt holly]

😭

[pliant briar]

ah yes, the worst 5.56 rifle in the game

[gaunt holly]

Best*

[pliant briar]

best worst

[gaunt holly]

Best rifle in game, acktshually

[uneven basin]

I would argue the worst 5.56 is the mcx purely because why the hell is it in 5.56

[pliant briar]

even SA58 is better than that

[odd mulch]

Literally, just give us the 3 AR platforms and call it a day if thats the case

[pliant briar]

even funnier because it actually was .300 BLK at first

[jolly trench]

I would specify 3 5.56 ar platforms, I am fine with other caliber ones.

[uneven basin]

Second place goes to mk18 for being completely uncontrollable and having a non-removable front sight

[jolly trench]

I like the mcx, despite being a 5.56 ar it has unique animations thus doesn’t feel exactly the fucking same as every other one

[uneven basin]

It has good sound effects

[jolly trench]

I like the pullout animation for the mcx with the deploying of the stock

[pliant briar]

i mean one way to solve 5.56 ar spam is customization, which unfortunately won't happen so...

[modern mesa]

I get that it has to have a wide appeal and be authentic. It has to feed people's expectations. But I'd still never use a bullpup. Rarely use a shotgun or SMG.

[jolly trench]

Or just have like 3, one for each major barrel length

Even 4

[modern mesa]

I'm happy just to run the MCX as a standard gat.

[jolly trench]

But we don’t need 6 5.56 ar platforms

Not counting the mcx as one

[stiff beacon]

Holy shit

[uneven basin]

I wish for 9mm to do more damage. I think an 9mm ar thing would be a neat way to add variety

[modern mesa]

Nah, we don't. But gear nerds do.

[gaunt holly]

You're right. We need like 50 of them

[stiff beacon]

Is that John Ready or Not

[jolly trench]

A 9mm ar would be awesome

[stiff beacon]

Big fan of your work

[jolly trench]

Yup

[jolly trench]

Keeping the streets clean one unauthorized use of force at a time 👍

[stiff beacon]

Sign my warrant!!!!

[pliant briar]

you can't have a gun chambered in 9mm and call it a rifle smh

[stiff beacon]

So true king

[stiff beacon]

Pistol carbine!!!!!

[pliant briar]

unless ar stands for armalite as usual

[gaunt holly]

Acktshually, any gun with rifling is technically a rifle. So all handguns are also rifles 🤓

[uneven basin]

Whatever you'd call it i don't care, but it would be nifty, especially if 9mm were more viable

[jolly trench]

I love carbines I think they are so funny. It can either mean a lengthened version of a shorter gun or a shortened version of a longer gun

[jolly trench]

I was referring to ar as armalite

[uneven basin]

I think that 10mm mp5 with 2 round burst is so fun

[pliant briar]

you have holes so technically you are a hole

[gaunt holly]

True

[stiff beacon]

That's it you're getting [-10 unauthorized use of force]

[jolly trench]

I think an ACR would be cool though

[stiff beacon]

Wait, is it -10 or -50

I forgot, it's been too long since I played

[jolly trench]

Depends on what it was used on I think

[stiff beacon]

Surrendering suspect

[jolly trench]

Wait no it’s -50 no matter what I think

And it’s -30 if it’s friendly fire I think

[uneven basin]

Flashbang says: correct

[odd mulch]

We just need more missions with less armor, but I mean even IRL officers will tell you that 9mm isn't great at neutralizing people lol

[lucid hornet]

"unauthorized use of force" he was aiming at me

[uneven basin]

Me rechambering the mp5sd for .45 auto

THUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNK

[odd mulch]

We just need less missions with body armor, it's getting to the point where I'm just taking 7.62 to all these missions

[modern mesa]

Just headshot.

[gaunt holly]

Just use any 5.56 gun and 2-3 shot everyone on every map

[signal aspen]

hey, i need some help, my mission progress was reset and i want to know if i can fix it

[lucid hornet]

does barrel length actually have any effect on bullet velocity?

[pliant briar]

no

[gaunt holly]

Not in game

[uneven basin]

Not at the ranges we're talking about

[jolly trench]

Even if it did it wouldn’t matter none of the maps are long range enough

Any range in ready or not is short enough that the impact is still instant

[gaunt holly]

They make a significant difference irl, but no difference at all in game

[pliant briar]

faster bullet still travels faster, no matter the distance smh

[jolly trench]

It takes a few hundred meters for a bullet to actually not be an instant beam

Irl too

[pliant briar]

but bullet characteristics in the game depend solely on the caliber

[gaunt holly]

False. If ballistics existed in game, a faster bullet will 100% be more devastating than a slower bullet even at in game distances

[jolly trench]

I’m not talking damage wise I’m talking how fast it takes to reach the target

[gaunt holly]

But it doesn't exist so it's whatevs

[modern mesa]

Wait, what? 🤣

[jolly trench]

You really need to read more thoroughly

[gaunt holly]

I'm being trolled

[jolly trench]

And don’t ballistics exist? I thought the bullets were projectiles not hitscan

[jolly trench]

No

You are not reading what I am writing

[modern mesa]

I genuinely didn't know.

[pliant briar]

only for shotgun ammo (i forgot how it's called)

[modern mesa]

I thought it was akin to Arma external ballistics.

[jolly trench]

Pellets

[pliant briar]

buckshot actually

[jolly trench]

I can’t imagine a hardcore shooter such as this wouldn’t have physical bullets, even more arcadey games do

[jolly trench]

Still pellets just a different name

[pliant briar]

maybe because it doesn't matter in CQB

[jolly trench]

Yeah but it seems like the type of thing they would do regardless

[modest fern]

RoN is a mix of both, I think most things are hitscan for the most part but do turn into projectiles upon richochets. Some weapons like the beanbag are also projectile.

[wheat cobalt]

anyone OCE wanna do some ready or not

[jolly trench]

Oh yeah and the pepper balls are for some reason hitscan

[pliant briar]

you also have suspects behaving like it's a milsim so you can't expect anything from this game

[jolly trench]

Makes sense they turn into projectiles on richochet

[modern mesa]

Does bullet drop not occur then? Wait, what are the sights zeroed to?

[lucid hornet]

bullets dont penetrate anything and its so frustrating

[pliant briar]

it does occur

[jolly trench]

They do

[lucid hornet]

a single metal bucket stopped my 5.56 from killing a suspect

[jolly trench]

It does? I can’t imagine any of the maps are large enough for it unless it’s subsonic on port hokan or something

[pliant briar]

it's only really noticeable with pistol calibers

[jolly trench]

Yeah that makes sense

[modern mesa]

RON moment

[pliant briar]

there aren't any subsonic rounds in ron

[lucid hornet]

truly RoN at its finest

[jolly trench]

Isn’t .300 blackout subsonic

[pliant briar]

nuh uh

[gaunt holly]

Yes let's pretend we'll notice how much faster a bullet will hit a suspect standing 15ft away with 2400fps vs 2600fps

[jolly trench]

That’s what I’m saying. We won’t notice.

Even at 100 meters it’s not noticeable

[modern mesa]

Even if it was critical. VOID wouldn't rework it.

[left raptor]

What y’all talking about?

[modern mesa]

Just like ladders. 😭

[gaunt holly]

I've backread about 3 times now and I still don't understand the point you're trying to make. Maybe I'm dumb

[wary stream]

yes you can look at #❓modding-faq

[patent zodiac]

thx

[pliant briar]

i can't either, so i guess we're both dumb

[gaunt holly]

☹️

[jolly trench]

At least with this new point I was saying that barrel length wouldn’t affect velocity at the ranges of RoN maps. Pretty much anything will travel to its target instantly even in real life, at the ranges ready or not shows.

[left raptor]

Holy shit John ready?

What is your opinion on judge?

[jolly trench]

Prescott better

[pliant briar]

it would affect velocities lmao

[gaunt holly]

But it would effect velocity even at ron ranges 😭

[left raptor]

Judge>swan>king>prescott>eli

[pliant briar]

the bullet doesn't magically gain speed with distance

[jolly trench]

Yes it would affect velocity but it wouldn’t mean you have to like, actually account for velocity at these ranges

[jolly trench]

When did I say this

It obviously would have velocity but it wouldn’t matter

[gaunt holly]

You do tho, bc the bullets would be going faster

[jolly trench]

The bullet is going fast enough it’s not relevant at these ranges

[gaunt holly]

It is 100% relevant lol

[modern mesa]

The fact they haven't modelled external ballistics to a better degree is

[jolly trench]

Unless it’s like port hokan or something your bullets are basically traveling instantly

[uneven basin]

SLS is talking about damage, not time of flight

[jolly trench]

In real life too

[gaunt holly]

When a bullet travels past a certain speed, it does this really cool thing called fragmentation when it hits something

[jolly trench]

Well I am talking about time of flight and have said that I was multiple times

[pliant briar]

instantly or not faster bullet is faster and does more damage which was already said here before

[jolly trench]

I literally said multiple times I wasn’t talking about damage

[gusty stump]

"Instantly or Not"

[dreamy bone]

help

[gaunt holly]

Velocity is damage tho

[modern mesa]

[pliant briar]

yeah, you're talking about distance which is irrelevant, but say it like bullet velocity will not make any difference

[jolly trench]

I was literally not talking about velocity and I Said this many times

[modern mesa]

I'm just glad we got away from bullpups and CQB. 🙏

[jolly trench]

Still the difference is negligible even with damage. At those range if they are unarmored no matter what bullet you shoot them with it’s fucking them up.

[gaunt holly]

Nobody cares about distances. It's a non factor in this game

[gaunt holly]

This is wrong

[jolly trench]

So shoot yourself or somebody else with 5.56 and test it

They are dying if you hit them in the right spot no matter what bullet it is

[gaunt holly]

I don't have to do that. There's proven science from infinite sources that support my argument

[jolly trench]

So what you are saying is that there’s some secondary level of dead like super dead that happens when you shoot them with a higher velocity bullet?

[pliant briar]

going from 8.3 inch to 20 results in a 30% difference in bullet velocity, which is huge

[gaunt holly]

Slow bullet, makes a hole.
Fast bullet makes crazy wound cavity.

Which would hurt more?

[pliant briar]

or in basic physics, more speed = more force

[jolly trench]

They both hurt the same. If I recover from either I will just remember the pain as the pain from getting shot

[gaunt holly]

[jolly trench]

If I get shot with both they will both be…. “I got shot”

[harsh marten]

I mean

That doesn’t change the fact that more velocity will have a different effect than less velocity

[jolly trench]

It will

[gaunt holly]

We're not even talking about guns at this point. It's basic science

Physics*

Whatever

[harsh marten]

Flip flopping

[pliant briar]

but it won't make any difference at the distances in ron!!!

[modern mesa]

Dude doesn't understand wound ballistics or external ballistics.

[harsh marten]

Bait used to be believable

[gaunt holly]

Which would hurt more?

Getting hit by a train going 100km/h which traveled a distance of 100 meters before impact?

Or getting hit by a train going 100km/h which traveled a distance of 30 meters before impact?

[jolly trench]

No, I’m just saying that it doesn’t make much of a difference.

[pliant briar]

getting hit by a stationary train

[jolly trench]

They both kill me….

Which is the point.

There is only one kind of dead

[harsh marten]

Yeah you guys need to stop talking to this guy 😭

[jolly trench]

Guns are designed to kill not wound, you shoot until they die.

[gaunt holly]

🥴

[jolly trench]

Why? It’s not “bait”. I just have a differing opinion.

[pliant briar]

last time i checked you shoot until they aren't a threat

[jolly trench]

Your opinion is not law

[uneven basin]

This train example actually doesn't really work unless we have acceleration in the mix but also this whole thing is getting... Really exhausting. It's just a game

[jolly trench]

I mean in swat sure but in every other situation

Guns aren’t made to wound.

They are made to kill

[pliant briar]

what acceleration? the speed is the same at impact (technically it could still accelerate, but it's kinda out of the scope of the question, no?)

[jolly trench]

Because war. War never changes.

[lucid hornet]

AI swat so good, i hear a single shot then see at the bottom of my screen "suspect reported"