game-suggestions

[opal cave]

what

he doesnt design them by himself

they are generated

[sweet sigil]

adding them to the game tho xD

[thorny temple]

#game-suggestions also

[opal cave]

the thing is though
he cant add more because of engine restrictions basicly

[sweet sigil]

2 schrroms 🤔

[cedar atlas]

VOTES

AWHAYEAYEEA

[subtle sonnet]

That's what I meant, adding. I said designing but meant adding all possible fusions

[cedar atlas]

how many people voted for Bidoof ?

[dawn tide]

zigzagoon is absolutely necessary

[opal cave]

still need to decide the on the 5th gen mons

[sweet sigil]

NOSE

[cedar atlas]

yep i voted for Nosepass

[subtle sonnet]

Each new pokemon exponentially adds to the number of fusions, and that will make the game huge with extremely large amounts of pokemon

[cedar atlas]

since its evo gets Steel type as well

[subtle sonnet]

Also I didn't vote for bidoof, because no, just no

[cedar atlas]

voting for some steel types

[subtle sonnet]

I voted for all the pokemon I thought were cool

[opal cave]

i hope riolu gets in

and maybe shinx

[cedar atlas]

i voted mainly for Meme mons and rare types

[subtle sonnet]

FFFFFFFF I forgot to vote for riolu!

[cedar atlas]

ayaya asponk

[subtle sonnet]

cries

[sweet sigil]

yeah remove the dark type of meowth 🤔

xDD

[keen crest]

I voted for Wailmer...

[thorny temple]

some are mandatory to vote for

[keen crest]

Imagine Wailord base

[subtle sonnet]

I wanna see alolan ninetails

[sweet sigil]

You can make one

[subtle sonnet]

Like what schrroms? Don't say bidoof

[sweet sigil]

fuse ninetails with a ice type mon 🤔

[cedar atlas]

please tell me you voted for Slaking

[sweet sigil]

xDDD

[cedar atlas]

well need the slakoth line

[subtle sonnet]

Yes but it's not fabulousssss

Also I didn't vote for that no

[sweet sigil]

I voted for some who looked nice with fusion x)

[outer acorn]

how long is this poll going to be open?

[cedar atlas]

submitted

[rough gull]

I'm probably going to leave it open for a few weeks I think

[dawn tide]

a few weeks?

why not a week? xd

[latent peak]

@rough gull Why not add all pokemon?

[sweet sigil]

we can't see who's in the lead? xD

[rough gull]

@latent peak memory issues with rpg maker mostly

[subtle sonnet]

I voted for, in gen 3: starters(Gotta keep that mudkip meme going), ralts(Cuz with fairy type it's one of the most powerful fairy special attackers as gardevoir IMO with speed and special attack), Trapinch, Latios/latias, and electrike

[thorny temple]

If I vote now, can I change my votes later?

kek

[rough gull]

I think so

[subtle sonnet]

You GOTTA have the latis

[dawn tide]

why u don't add only third gen pokemon's?

add part by part

[latent peak]

@rough gull Just add one gen at a time to make it easy

[subtle sonnet]

I don't think that matters

[sweet sigil]

can't wait for something better than rpg maker to add all the mons 🙏

[thorny temple]

feebas bois

[dawn tide]

@latent peak yes, the third gen will be okay for now

[subtle sonnet]

One gen will be left out at least because of memory issues

[dawn tide]

@thorny temple feebas ❤

[opal cave]

pretty sure shrooms already had problems with the current amount of pkmn before removing shiny and backsprites

[subtle sonnet]

Yeah I can imagine

[opal cave]

so "only" adding the third gen wouldnt be much better

[subtle sonnet]

As I said, adding even one new pokemon exponentially increases the amount of fusions

[outer acorn]

From what I understand, unless the game engine itself get modified this is a hard limit

[cedar atlas]

ye people should be happy he is gonna add around 20 new mons

[opal cave]

20? i though 30

[thorny temple]

#game-suggestions reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[opal cave]

rip

who cares

i just hope riolu gets in

all i want

[sweet sigil]

we are talking about suggestions @thorny temple 🤔

[subtle sonnet]

What RPG maker engine is the game running on?

[sweet sigil]

xD

[opal cave]

RPG Maker XP iirc

[outer acorn]

weren't there plans to have fusions stored as separate 'head' and 'body' sprites that got put on top of each other? Did that turn out to be impossible?

[subtle sonnet]

Ahh. I wonder what the memory caps are for each

[opal cave]

RPG Maker XP is like the only RPG maker used for fangames since there is an development kit on it wich has been worked on for years

[cedar atlas]

ye Pokemon Essentials only runs on RPG maker XP

[subtle sonnet]

Ohhh

Well that's a real shame

[opal cave]

if you see a non-romhack pokemon you have a 95% chance to have it be on rpgmaker xp

i think i only saw one fangame wich did run on another engine yet

wich was that team rocket fangame thing

[outer acorn]

I assume that modifying the engine to have more memory for sprites isn't feasible?

[subtle sonnet]

It would probably require heavy investment into that

[outer acorn]

downside to this whole project being done by one guy, presumably

[subtle sonnet]

Yeah

[outer acorn]

wish I had the programing skills to help, but I don't

[subtle sonnet]

Same.

[outer acorn]

you'd think some fan of this game would

[eager shell]

[outer acorn]

Voted

[slate quartz]

I voted

For bidoof

[tranquil ore]

Same

Not for bidoof tho

[slate quartz]

Also goetha line need frisk

As first ability

Or however it's spelled

Wismur, need that sonic aoe

Also @outer acorn is be happy to help program

Mentioned it'd be cool if game was open source

[outer acorn]

@slate quartz Tell Schrroms, not me.

[cedar atlas]

i mean i know a way to add whole different gens in the game but that would mean removing a gen

so like a game with gen 1 and then gen 3 instead of 2

or a gen 3 and 4 game

etc.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

like red/blue versions

but with different gens i guess

[cedar atlas]

^^^^

^

eayaehayha

[austere vault]

That would be one way to do it, yeah

Assuming schhroms wants to keep the project simple, though, this is a good compromise

Well, "simple"

Nothing about this this project is actually simple

[echo tapir]

Voted, thanks for asking our opinions Santa Schrroms.

[cedar atlas]

i feel like anything that has been playable in smash bros is not an unrealistic ask

which basically just means greninja and lucario but still

[tulip sundial]

And getting Mewtwo in soonish. :P

Also, I put this in the voting but I think it would be cool if there were a guy near the start of the game.

That you could trade with once to get starters from a different gen, but he'll only accept gen 1 starters.

So that you can essentially start with other gen starters.

[slate quartz]

Mewtwo is in game, but only through trades

Wonder, or rocket shop

[topaz kraken]

?

[torpid summit]

Scroll up

[opal cave]

there is a button to see who @ you you know

on discord

[slate quartz]

Idt there is in mobile app

[opal cave]

mobile discord is shit thats not my fault

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slate quartz]

Just saying ymmv based on client

[echo tapir]

Aside from it really messing with people's sprite numbering, could baby pokemon (and perhaps other unpopular pokemon) be taken out/replaced with others from future gens? Or does that screw with the natural dex? (or to much work for only a little gain?)

[thorny temple]

it's fuking schrroms who pinged

[azure elbow]

Bidoof would be great

Imagine a pokémon fused with it
with simple ability

[dreamy zephyr]

Oh shoot i was only supposed to choose five total from between all gens wasnt i

[thick jasper]

It's 5 each gen

If you go over the form turns red.

[dreamy zephyr]

Oh okay, sweet

[outer acorn]

Suggestion: add an option to mute the game's music without disable the other in-game sounds

[thorny temple]

F1

[outer acorn]

@thorny temple I have a menu in Japanese. Now what?

oh, never mind

I figured it out

[slow crescent]

Huh ? why is there so much vote for legendaries ..... those are the most useless of all the pokemon, you only get them (if you get them at all) at the very end of the game . might as well add pokemon you can actually encounter during the playthrough

[sweet sigil]

true that legendary wouldn't be obtainable through wild grass 🤔

just wondertrade

[tranquil leaf]

I personally voted for the regis because I think they could be cool fusions, and because they're personal favourites

[sweet sigil]

I know I voted for dialga/palkia x)

[thick jasper]

@sweet sigil did u vote for tynamo line so u can use your sprite? Haha

[sweet sigil]

Nooooo 🤔

x)

[opal cave]

@slow crescent i always vote for the more cool looking ones and not the ones that are the strongest or the most usefull for a run

also thank god that riolu is like the highest non starter/legendary in the votes rn

cant you end the vote just rn now then schrooms?

[tranquil leaf]

But nosepass tho

[opal cave]

rip nosepass in this vote

im just happy that there is a big chance for the ralts, riolu and shinx lines to get in

those are going to be great mons to fuse with

[tranquil leaf]

I'm surprised that Spiritomb doesn't have more votes, consdering that is has 2 needed types and is pretty decent as both a head and body

But I don't know if I actually voted for it myself actually

[opal cave]

it was realy high up when the vote started

on the same level as ralts and riolu

[hazy epoch]

i went for the ones i thought would make coolest fusions, the ones with the most versatile bodies ad faces and neat designs. i've seen a lot of really cool creative litwick line fusions, for instance

[cedar atlas]

well the litwick line is part ghost

which is a rare type

so that is good

i went for rare types and 2-3 meme mons

[opal cave]

you can buy fusion repel before wild fusions appear in the game, i think that should be fixed

[echo tapir]

(4) A Fusion can have only the first Ability of either of its halves (A Rattata/Rhyhorn could have Run Away or Lightningrod, but never Guts or Rock Head). The ability a fusion will have is difficult to predict.

Is it possible to change this? I'm assuming it's a engine limitation that prevents you from having 4 potential abilities (6 with hidden ones) to chose from.

Instead, perhaps have the head/body decide the ability?

Heads carry over their 1st ability.
Bodys carry over their 2nd ability.

Example:

A Chinkrow is a Chinchou head and Murkrow body.

It could either have Volt Absorb or Super Lucky.

A murkchou is a Murkrow Head, and a Chinchou body.

It could either have Illuminate or Insomnia.

That way, all abilities have a potential to be used.

Y/N? (Or engine prevents it?)

[rough gull]

yes, this will actually be in the next version.

as well as choosing which of the two abilitoes possible you want to keep after fusing.

[tranquil ore]

But if it is the way that head gives the first, and body gives the second one...you can basically get the same fusion, but with 4 abilities right?

Wait...

[sweet sigil]

4 ability mon? 🤔

I see some levitate+volt absorb+ water absorb and other one 🤔

[tranquil ore]

4 possible abilities*

[sweet sigil]

xD

[tranquil ore]

My idea was using the reverser to get the other ability

[rough gull]

no. fusions still only have access to 2 abilities, but the body gives the first and head the second. That way reverse fusions don't get the same set of abilities.

or the other way around i don't remember

the other 2 abilities will be available as hidden abilities

[tranquil ore]

Okay👌🏻

Not that I mind too much about the abilities, so I’ll see what you come up with👍🏻

[jade sky]

didn't know about that, now i want to change my picks in the poll. some of them were based on their abilities ._.

btw nice name ^

[cedar atlas]

okay this ability change is more than welcome

GJ Schrroms

or i should say will be more than welcome

[echo tapir]

Shcrroms dude, you are A.Okay awesome.

Though, how does that work with already caught pokemon?

[echo tapir]

So, a few fusions were re-arranged type wise. Like Magnemite line fuses as a steel/lightning instead of lightning steel, can the same be done for the Ralts line if ralts makes it in (fuse as Fairy/Psychic)? We already have a high powered psychic head with Alakazam. Not such with fairy., and not many will fuse Gardevoir for the body (aside from asthetics, which makes this a hard call, because what the fusion looks like is a heavy factor as well).

[manic escarp]

I hope everyone has been keeping in mind that Meditite is the only way we get fusions with Pure Power

[cobalt pollen]

@echo tapir maybe we can complie a list of type changes or ability change for schrroms to consider rather than ad hoc basis

[thorny temple]

shit he's right

[thick jasper]

How do I see what has been voted for already?

[echo tapir]

@thick jasper https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSehIDkYqtOBINOkJhyvDqaygqTFvVO7i7d7UfCA5-fFsS2lZQ/viewanalytics

[thick jasper]

Thanks

[slate quartz]

Almost nothing i voted for is winning

[opal cave]

rip

i like it that riolu is like on place 3 rn

[cedar atlas]

ye its pretty stupid

people only vote for starters pseudos and legends

[opal cave]

i mean i also voted for starters

see it so

[cedar atlas]

we dont need any more starters

[opal cave]

when you vote them

you get 9 mons

instead of max only 3

[thick jasper]

i only voted for 1 starter line which is for treeco and blaziken

i want my shedinja T.T

[cedar atlas]

but whatever

[opal cave]

also i like to get some legendaries, reshiram would be great for some fusions

[cedar atlas]

more mons are more mons either way

problem is most of the legends will only be accessible through WT and Rocket shop

same for starters

[opal cave]

and beside the starters and duo legendaries most people voted normal mons

[cedar atlas]

well randomizer mode can fix that i guess

[opal cave]

we can hope that shrooms adds more ways to get legendaries etc

i still want to have some small quests or secret places for them

and duo legendaries would be fused when wanting to catch them tbh

rip that there are so few votes for Reshiram though

how many mons from each gen does shrooms even add?

is it only 5 lines per gen?

[cedar atlas]

5 lines

[opal cave]

rip

[cedar atlas]

well 5 options i should say

since some options have multiple lines

like the starters and legend

i rly hope Schrroms does not add exeactly the highest voted

[thick jasper]

it does say tho

that just because its the highest vote doesnt mean it will be added

[cedar atlas]

ye

hope he reads some of the suggestions on the last questions

[opal cave]

something like shinx line, riolu line and ralts line are classics though tbh

[cedar atlas]

cuz a few people have pointed out we need more of the rare types

[opal cave]

definitly need to be added

[cedar atlas]

well look at it this way

if its a mon that does not evolve

[thick jasper]

y isnt sylveon in the game btw?

[cedar atlas]

you can add 3 of those

instead of 1 line

[opal cave]

sylveon is gen 6

[cedar atlas]

with 2 useless weak mons

being the 1st and mid stage

[opal cave]

i guess

at the same time most 1 stage mons are probs legendaries wich you only get late game

[cedar atlas]

not rly

quite a few mons that have not evos or weaker forms

[opal cave]

cant quite remember them then rn

[cedar atlas]

and some of them are quite good

Druddigon,Tropius,Torkoal

there are more too

[opal cave]

oh well

never used them too for some reason

[cedar atlas]

well Tropius is not the best mon in the world

but Torkoal and Druddigon are pretty good

its a pure fire type that will make a great body for mons that dont rly need to be fast

its got 140 base defence

Torkoal i mean

Druddigon is a Dragon type

which should be enough to qualify it

since dragons are pretty rare

well there are a few single stage mons that are good that should not be added

cuz we have enough of their types

like Zangoose and Seviper

normal and poison

Absol would be pretty cool tho

Dark type

both Spiritomb and Sableye are Ghost/Dark type

both of which are rare types

so at least 1 of them should get in

Mawile would be Steel/Fairy

both rare types

[opal cave]

i didnt vote spiritomb because i cant imagine it looking good in fusions

[cedar atlas]

well ill stop at this

but there are alot of good single stage mons

and a good amount of them have rare types

[opal cave]

3-evo-lines are atleast good for bst-randomizer
since that makes some of them appear earlier and the stronger ones later

sorry didnt get any better arguments

[cedar atlas]

well im not saying 3-evo lines are bad

1-2 should be included

but still

its dissapointing that everyone and their mother are voting for the starters and legends

[slate quartz]

I just want to use frisk in a fusion, man

There's only one line that gets frisk as first ability

[thick jasper]

but new way of ability transferance is happening tho? so ull get access to 2nd abilities as well when fused

[slate quartz]

There's never been any indicator that that's happening at all

Or anytime soon if at all

[thick jasper]

schrooms mentioned it somewhere, if not above lol

[slate quartz]

Just uni and I suggesting that its desirable

[slate quartz]

I stand corrected:

Ok well, if we get that then cool. Also azumarill will be the new marowak

[tranquil ore]

WE DEF NEED SABLEYE!!!

THAT WOULD GIVE SOME DARN COOL FUSIONS

[slow crescent]

I don't think that voting on "pokemon line" or starters or option with lot of pokemon or voted for pokemon that don't evolve will make a difference at the end. Think of like like this, maybe there is 30 spot to fulffill(I choose this number randomly to make my point), 30 spot could be 10 line of pokemon that evolve twice, or 15 that evolve once, ot 30 stand alone. of a mix of those. It doesn't mean that it will be 30 option with multiple pokemon in it each. so maybe starter can be 9 spot by themself and not 1 spot.

either way, legendary are "cool" but there are late game (sometime even post game) and there is no "online battle" feature so it's pretty useless to get them.

[slate quartz]

If you want most Pokemon per vote, vote wurmple

[silk vortex]

Funny enough I haven't voted on starters or legends at all besides regigigas

just some ghosts, dragons since they were lacking

slaking and medicham >w>

[south fossil]

None of mine were legends, but for every gen besides 5 I chose Starters

I got nothing against 5's starters it's just there are other mons I want way more and I had to make my choice

[torpid summit]

I didn't choose any starters or legendaries in the poll tbh

[subtle sonnet]

I only really voted for the legends I care about

Dialga/palkia, the lati twins, and I think that's it?

[torpid summit]

In my mind, they're cliche as choices and they'd take up space that could be used by other Pokemon

[subtle sonnet]

FAir enough

[torpid summit]

Also, last time I checked, I was the only one who voted for Snover lol

[subtle sonnet]

I picked what I wanted regardless

Except I'd forgotten riolu but that's pretty ahead anyway

[torpid summit]

I voted for Pokemon that could actually make sense being found in Kanto along with the pseudos

[jade sky]

voted for Snover, too. weather teams would be fun to build with fusions

maybe a bit too synergystic though

[torpid summit]

I voted for Snover because I thought about how I thought it'd be found on Mt Silver with Sinnoh Sound in HG/SS

[jade sky]

a rain team would be completely broken with politoads rain ability

[torpid summit]

I had been disappointed when it wasn't

Politoed is in-game!

Just not with Drizzle

[jade sky]

yeah thats what i was saying

[torpid summit]

Thank god

[subtle sonnet]

I need to play more and get my glooslash leveled so I can get giga drain, though I may just say forget it and just get bellossum evolved finally

[jade sky]

Slaking with Speed Boost anyone? :o

[thorny temple]

can we try to stay on topic here please lol

[slate quartz]

Slakwak would be... so incredibly op

[upbeat lily]

This may be asking too much but if there is anyway to "speed up" PC's in the game that would be amazing. Trying to organize them at the moment is just painstakingly long

[raven sluice]

can there be a volume adjustment ingame?

[subtle sonnet]

I too would love to know this- But I don't know if RPG maker's able to do that

[slate quartz]

@raven sluice you can turn down individual apps using Windows mixer

[slate quartz]

Breeding is so tedious without gen 6 destiny knot functionality

Please can we have that?

[upbeat lily]

@slate quartz Destiny Knot I believe is in the game once you help enough people

Also, can we have a randomizer option for Gym Leaders only? I like having the trainers be random but the gym leaders I enjoy fighting against a pre-set team.

[slate quartz]

@upbeat lily I'm not saying its not in the game. I'm saying its breeding functionality isn't, which is a gen 6 mechanic

It doesn't guarantee 5 stats inherited from parents in this game

[grave summit]

we should make an arguments chat

Let people fight it out there

So if they r fighting in a wrong place we will all scream REEEEEEEE #arguements

[echo tapir]

So, say we got 6v6 Trainer house to test out your full teams, would you guys want it as it is now, just with 6 random pokemon, or would you want some alterations like...

A) A minimum starting BST to get rid of basic unevolved fusions (450 or so? Baring legends ofc).

B) A Higher starting maximum, for that one super powered fusion to appear thats stronger than the others.

C) Randomized EV training for the pokemon you fight against (If its possible)

D) Randomized items per pokemon from a select pool?

[serene schooner]

My suggestion is including more ghost types. Gen 2 doesnt introduce any more. Obviously, fusion makes thousands possible... but theres some serious artistic potential being missed out on

Except misdreavus

[pulsar lance]

make gym signs show their new random typing

[subtle sonnet]

I think that'd be easy to do

Have a bit of code that checks to see what type was chosen for the leader, and if = true, then have the sign say that type

[ocean parrot]

@Schrroms could you do a new folder on the drive where we put custom trainers?

@rough gull

[echo tapir]

custom trainers?

[grave summit]

Like make custom sprites of them

[echo tapir]

Can we get Pokedex completion rewards? Like every... 250-500 pokemon, maybe an item of some kind

or some other reward, maybe a rare pokemon

[brazen swan]

My initial idea: npc who mentions that Eevee evolves with stones instead of other methods.
Advanced idea: in the viridian city schoolhouse, you can take a quiz about all the evolutions this game changes. The teacher has all the answers in one of her dialogue options, and you get a thing if you pass the quiz. Somebody in viridian city will say "hey, make sure to go check out the school, you might learn something." so players are less likely to overlook the school.

[cedar atlas]

Players will still skip the school

[thick jasper]

add the feature like in the old games where there is the old man that blocks u from going past XD and have the old man's flavour text be "go to school kids, education is important!" XD

[red mural]

But he passed out drunk

[cedar atlas]

Add unova as a region, since the dna splicers did come from there

[slate quartz]

@red mural "g... (hic) go to school... kids (hic).... its impo... impo.... (hic) important"

[primal crystal]

Suggestion : make togepi line use the fairy type always

[subtle sonnet]

I'd be down for that. Normal is kind of a... Booby prize when fusing if it's not pure normal, unless you want ghost immunity

[tranquil ore]

Only problem....what fairy moves will it use😐

[subtle sonnet]

that's kind of a problem with a few pokemon I like

Great with special attack? Okay, what good STAB special attack moves does it learn? Oh look, very few, but here, it can learn a bunch of physical moves!

Charizard is a good example. It doesn't learn good special attack moves until at least 40.

[slate quartz]

well fairy type do have some fairy moves added into their learnset in the game

and theres always the moonbeam tm

[cedar atlas]

moonbeam ?

[primal crystal]

i think he meant moonblast

[slate quartz]

mooncannon

[primal crystal]

moonblast

[cedar atlas]

😄 they should make Mooncannon

[slate quartz]

bigmoonboom

[outer acorn]

Switch Dewgong's typing to be ice/water instead of water/ice

That way the fusions with the flippers get to be water type, and the polar white ones are ice type

[torpid summit]

Dewgong is already Ice/Water in this game, I believe

[outer acorn]

wait

really

crap

[torpid summit]

Lol, it's fine

[outer acorn]

...um, well my fusion's going to have a shit typing once it evolves

[torpid summit]

Well... that is quite a predicament

[outer acorn]

4.0 has those reverser things, right?

I can jut use one of those, hopefully

[torpid summit]

Yep, at Silph after you liberate them from Team Rocket.

[outer acorn]

is there a way to change which ability a fusion has, aside from splitting and re-fusing it?

[torpid summit]

Ability Capsule can be bought at Crimson City

[outer acorn]

Thanks!

[rigid mango]

is there a way to turn down the volume ? cant find it

[astral portal]

f1

[rigid mango]

thanks

[red mural]

Can the level jumps please be lowered

Like the trainers in the gym will have pokemon a lot lower leveled than the gym leader

[astral portal]

yeah I want that too

[subtle sonnet]

Yeah, having to grind heavily for every gym is no fun

At the very least, higher EXP from the trainers as the trainers to and fro are kinda weak save for trainers with the single strong pokemon

[outer acorn]

honestly, the difficulty curve is very weird

misty and brock were hard as nails, but then Lt. Surge was taken out by a single pokemon...

and the gym leaders continue to be cakewalk until... Kolga I think?

I'm not sure

[subtle sonnet]

It depends on your pokemon

I just got a Rhyzor(rhyhorn scizor), and that might be what I need to beat koga easier

[slate quartz]

if you prep the right pokemon for each gym none is hard

[subtle sonnet]

Yeah

The difficulty curve is VERY weird now that I've hit silph co

I went from koga's level 40s to team rocket 30s

That's... Not a good curve

[slow crescent]

Yeah. logical in the pokemon lore (gym leader are supposed to be stronger than random minions) but illogical in a game design way.

[tranquil leaf]

Add an easy place to get/buy EV lowering berries, considering fusions give 1 of every EV

[tranquil leaf]

And maybe an option for the rival to carry their starter through the game in a randomizer, but I guess that might make him too easy or too hard, depending on their starter

[slate quartz]

he carries his starter in non-random games

[tranquil leaf]

In my game the rival said that his starter was trash and he got rid of it

So I guess it's already in the game except for Pokemon with a low bst

[slate quartz]

He ditches it in randomized

[tranquil leaf]

Oh wait, I misread whoops

But I meant that it might be cool if the rival could carry their random starter through the game

[astral portal]

that would be cool

but it has to match the basestats of their final form starter from normal game

[tranquil leaf]

I mean, I understand why, but I'd have liked to see my rival use this

[astral portal]

haha lol

mine was an unown abra

[marble panther]

@tranquil leaf You made a sprite for that backwards, lol

[tranquil leaf]

Yeah, I thought the rival carried the starter, but I didn't know which would be the head or body. So I made one for both

[marble panther]

lol

[marble panther]

Make a skip button for the beginning intro

its annoying, plz, do it

[subtle sonnet]

Would be great if there were like a quest menu so that you didn't have to remember what quests you had if it's one you can't do right away, or just an npc that will tell you

[lone lintel]

I'd like to see a version for mac users, so we can play it too 😃

[slate quartz]

Can't emulate pc on mac?

[lone lintel]

yeah I can but I can't save the game - basically if I close CrossOver I have to re-execute the .exe file and it loses all of my progress . I have to keep the file running until I complete the game. Also the only decent pc-mac emulator is something you need to pay for. I'm currently on a trail that ends in 2 weeks

[slow crescent]

you can't use virtual box on mac ?

[cedar atlas]

This channel is for suggestions regarding IF

[pulsar lance]

a channel for challenges and challenge playthroughs

[red mural]

Little spoiled request but, Player customization?

wait nvm

[outer acorn]

I don't know how feasible this would be, but more diverse attack animations would be a huge improvement. A lot of times it seems like there's only one animation per type, and often the animation that plays has nothing whatsoever to do with what the attack is, which breaks suspension if disbelief for me

[subtle sonnet]

Personally I think if the level gaps between gyms stay as they are, the exp share should act like it does in newer games. It would seem less like a grind just to bridge that gap

[subtle sonnet]

There really should be a way to remove any item you have on your pokemon when you trade them. If it's an item you accidentally forgot to take off and can't be reobtained, well, it's gone forever.

[plush epoch]

Can the saving in the Pokemon Center happen after the healing instead? Its a bit annoying to soft-reset and then heal up again.

[latent peak]

In randomizer mode have it so the rival keeps their starters

[pulsar lance]

it is..

yhet

[astral portal]

that would be cool but then for example if they got a larvitar it would be a tyranitar which has higher bst than the starters

the bst have to be similar in order to not end up getting horrible luck and

having to fight a zapdos instead of a metapod

[tranquil leaf]

You wouldnt get a zapdos as a starter

And if you did, I'd doubt that you would let your rival get it

[astral portal]

exactly

I was trying to prove a point

I was saying that it would be cool if they kept their starter but

their starter might evolve into something too powerful or too weak

so it changes in order to match the bst

[outer acorn]

It would be nice if there was an option to download the game with the custom sprites from the drive already on it

Also it would be nice if there was a way to add custom Pokédex entries to the game

(Mostly to go along with the previous suggestion. The automatic generation is amazing in this game, but I think that we have enough of a community that crowdsourcing things like sprites and Pokédex entries is a real option, at least for some Pokémon)

[brazen swan]

I believe the last version of the 3.0 download came with an extra folder containing many of the custom sprites that existed at the time. When 4.0 is officialized, it will probably come with custom sprites (in a separate folder)

[outer acorn]

Wouldn’t you still need to drag every sprite into the correct folder by hand, though?

[brazen swan]

3.0 sprite system used just one big folder, so it wasn't a problem, but I suppose that is inconvenient for 4.0

[outer acorn]

So... this is probably wrong, because I’ve made several assumptions and I don’t know much about programming, but I think I might have and idea for how to get around the sprite limit, so I’m going to post it just in case

See, one idea floated was to save bodies and heads as separate images and combine them as needed, so fewer sprites we required

I’m assuming the problem with that was that you’d need the game to be able to recolor each body on the fly to match each head

Which is probably beyond the scope of the game’s engine

But:

Assuming that the issue it total data size, not the number of files:

Sprites are currently saved as 288x288, but are only 96x96 pixels wide

Or at least, bodies are. The heads are scaled up or down to fit the bodies

That’s why the extra file size, so that the head pixels can be smaller

But!

If you saved one body sprite for every current fused sprite, so they already had the correct colors

So, the same number of sprites as now

You could save them as 96x96, instead of 288x288

1/3rd the size

And then the heads could be scaled within the game itself

And we know the game can resized sprites, because back sprites in 4.0 are larger despite being the same file

[outer acorn]

...what do you think? Am I crazy?

[cedar atlas]

Its more of a number problem

Not size

[outer acorn]

Oh

Hmm

In that case... could you put multiple sprites in one big image and get the game to display only a chunk of it?

@cedar atlas is there any reason that wouldn’t work?

[cedar atlas]

Well i dont rly know too much about programming it may work but such image files with multiple images in them tend to be either frames in an animated sprite or overworld sprites

[outer acorn]

It seems like it could get you fewer files at least

[tranquil leaf]

The one idea with chunks of an image sounds like it may work, I know that all the walk sprites etc are done like that

But I dont know anything about coding and such

[tranquil leaf]

Because Pelipper the Pelican does not yet exist in that universe

Yes

Np

[slow crescent]

no. there technically a way but it's bugged. So it won't work

I guess that if you reeeeeeaaaaly want to do that you could change teh resolution of your screen but even then it won't fit the entiere screen since the game is square and your screen is probably not

really ? even in small ?

open the menu and choose option

there should be a size that you can twick between two or three size

[ashen sail]

i'd sincerely hope you have Waterfall as a planned HM/TM, either or, i just really want it lol

it is quite depressing to know that the only pokemon that learn it naturally are Goldeen and Seaking

it would benefit physical attacker water types greatly so.. :P

[spark lichen]

Nincada family, Ralts family, and [insert Ghost Type] family

[jade sky]

Did you check the poll in the announcement channel?

It's the most recent post

checked the "results" and now i'm mad no one picked, what i picked. feelsbad

[thorny roost]

increase the rate of fishing up boots, its taking 14 months to do this stupid sidequest, and when i do get it, i will probably get a bug gem or some useless item, i have no idea why its impossible to get a boot, this doesnt make the game fun, an intriguing side quest that requires skill, or even any slight amount of joy to gain from it, please, this is unbearable

I DID IT

FINALLY

OLD BOOT

THANK CHRIST

[tranquil leaf]

Do you have random items on

Because that randomizes every item, including fishing loot

[slow crescent]

also you get a pokemon from that quest. not a gem

[grave summit]

Oof

[marble panther]

Make a channel to talk about normal Pokemon stuff

[cedar atlas]

general?

other-fangames?

[marble panther]

Other fangames is about fangames, and general is general about Pokemon IF, so I just want an area to talk about normal pokemon and stuff like that

[opal cave]

just use other-fangames realy

[cedar atlas]

General is about anything rly

Its not abou IF only imo

[rough gull]

yes you shoulduse #general for regular pokemon stufff

[cedar atlas]

So i finished my first play through in non random mode and wanted to leave suggestions. First of i really enjoyd this play through and found the idea gripping and well executed, thus, this is only a list of things i found unpleasant, as listing all the things i liked would take to long :)

Story:

• giovanni and his mewtwo i found at some points hard to understand. Mewtwo seems to be obidient throughout the game but just escapes after the fusing attempt. It would be nice to get some explanation somewhere, that it actually dislikes giovanni. In one of the battles he doesnt even use it without any clue why.
• When going for the legendary bird, it is emphsized that the player really has to be quick to get the first legendary bird. then we arrive and its actually the last one needed. i would be good to mention this in the dialog
• maybe i missed this one, but why is Team rocket even interested in fusing wild pokemon?
• giovannies last dialog as gim leader is something in the lines of: "you didnt expect me to be here right?" just a few seconds he told ous where to find him in crimson city
• the drunk man in viridian at the beginning could give some hint on how to progress the story. its unlikely to remove him by randomly defeating our rival

Difficulty:
While i enjoy a challenge the level of difficulty was very different for various encounters. Its ok to present challenge, but simultaniously those fights force the player to play properly, which makes you win all the other battles while sleepwalking and makes getting to next gym leader kinda boring. I'd say either tune down a few fights (this gastly/kangastan comes to mind) or tune up everythign else. I mean, gym leader pokes at the end are 20lvl above the other trainers and we're supposed to beat those.

abilities:
Something has to be done here, but i think its already a well discussed matter and i couldn't tell you guys something new here

wild encounter:

• could use some more diversity
• personal preference here: why not even put larvitar and the like as rare encounters in some early caves. why the cool pokemon are only avaible at the end, was always beeyond me

trainer encounter:
this game has way to many weezing and poison types in generall

[thorny temple]

that's some nice feedback

[cedar atlas]

well you cannot blame the game for having alot of poison types

since gen 1 has the most poison types of all gens

but as you mentioned the lvl's need tweaking

Lt. Surge is a joke

his ace is only 2 lvl's higher than misty's

also the gym leaders after Koga need to be at least 5 lvl's lower per mon

Koga himself should be around 3 lvl's lower

since your party is around lvl 40 at that point in the game

and his ace is lvl 51

[outer acorn]

Or the regular trainers should be higher

but yeah, I feel like the level curve is sort of the game's main weakness in terms of being a game at this point

[cedar atlas]

well its been adressed a few times

surge was higher lvl

before

now he is a joke

also the Silph Co. legendary birds battle

it was a nightmare at first

since they all were lvl 55

now they are 40 i think

[outer acorn]

@cedar atlas Actually... why DOES team rocket want to fuse wild pokemon? Are they trying to bankrupt sylph co by making fused pokemon commonly available for free? Do they plan to capture and sell them en mass to other reasons? Do they own the only chemical formula for fusion repellent?

[cedar atlas]

it was something about uprecedented variety that will bring in trainers from other regions

i guess more trainers means more chances to steal and stuff

[slate quartz]

A whole line of different splicers that favor different stats.

[boreal sluice]

Maybe move the Pokecenter Autosave to after nurse joy says "We hope to see you again"?

[marble panther]

Make a randomizer mode that makes it so any pokemon, even fused mons, can be found, as starters, or trades, and the 3 legendary birbs can be anything too, so its all balenced

[weary rain]

Yeah, like, "very" randomized

[marble panther]

exactly

[outer acorn]

...can we have waillord in the game? Like, I just feel like every fusion with it comes out as the most hilarious thing imaginable for some reason

[somber sun]

yes

just wailord

[outer acorn]

mawile has a similar effect, except instead of hilarious it's TERRIFYING OH GOD WHY

...still want it in the game though...

(but not as much as the wailord line)

[thorny temple]

there is a vote for that

[outer acorn]

wasn't the voting closed a while ago?

[fossil tulip]

what were the winners then?

[thorny temple]

it's still in #announcements

[somber sun]

Can we have a channel for fusion Spam?

or can we spam fusions in #fusions ?

[slow crescent]

there is no "winner" kiaory. it's just a poll to help Schroom choose some pokemon to add. Be he said that just because people vote for something a lot doesn't mean he will add the pokemon. it's just suggestion to help him

[outer acorn]

I didn't say anything about a winner, I just thought he stoped checking the results after a certain point

[somber sun]

@slow crescent if you dont mind me asking, who is schroom?

[fossil tulip]

the creator

[somber sun]

oh

can someone tell him thanks for the main menu?

[slow crescent]

you can tell him yourself. he read the suggestion from time to time

[somber sun]

oh

he's here?

[fossil tulip]

not currently

[somber sun]

ty for the main menu mr schroom

it gave me my pfp

[somber sun]

well

the one i made the comment on

the current one is me

[somber sun]

Why is the exp share an item to give, in most pokemon games, you just turn it on, i haven't played gen 1 or 2 so i wouldnt know how it worked then.

[tranquil ore]

the new exp. share thing was only added in X and Y, before that it was an item to give

[somber sun]

oh

[worn zodiac]

you haven't played gen 1 to 5 then

[somber sun]

i played gen 5

[tranquil ore]

So it is only in X and Y, ORAS and Sun&Moon that it gives it to every mon

[worn zodiac]

well the exp share was an item to hold as well

[somber sun]

oh

fair enough

i havent played gen 5 in years tho

ADD WAILORD (its just another 200 sprites lmao)

[worn zodiac]

...

[somber sun]

😦

[slow crescent]

nope. way more than that

it would add 552 sprite

or 553 even

[tranquil leaf]

502, I believe

[slow crescent]

276 head wailord as head, 276 as body. (well, one of them is the same) + 1 regular wailord

(and that's if only him is added)

[tranquil leaf]

Oh yeah, I forgot the later gen evolutions

Oof

[cedar atlas]

Did you forget Wailmer?

If wailord is added that means wailmer will be added too

[slow crescent]

if both are added it would be 1108 additional sprite I believe

[grave summit]

[plain gate]

Actually, gen 1 didn't have the normal exp share

it had the exp. all

basically the new one but you couldn't turn it off unless you stored it in PC

except it was balanced

[jade sky]

would any of the spriters be interested in a 'request board' where people could post requests and spriters could accept it?
this way spriters could check this board when they are in a mood to sprite something. also reduces the chance of 2 people working on the same thing.
there is probably a way to do something like this in google doc and upload it to the official PIF drive.

[cedar atlas]

hmm interesting

[somber sun]

that'd be good

like, each person have a specific reaction image

and if they react to it

they make the sprite

[slow crescent]

meh, I don't see an issue on two people working on the same sprite since it's not official anyway

[cedar atlas]

ye 2 people working on the same sprite has happened before

its not a big deal

but the concept of the request board itself is quite interesting

it could simply be a seperate channel

[jade sky]

a google doc would probably be cleaner

[cedar atlas]

like spritework-requests

or smth like that

[jade sky]

with a name behind requests and stuff

actually a channel works just as fine probably

[cedar atlas]

the channel would be better imo

since we can just post the results in #spriting-discussion after that

without any confusion

and after the request has been fulfilled the person who posted it can just delete it

so that the new channel does not get flooded with requests

and in the off chance that the person who requested the sprite is not rly happy with it

he can just leave the request there

[tranquil leaf]

There's a #team-requests on another IF sprite related discord server

[cedar atlas]

hmm

well something like that i guess

[slow crescent]

what if the peoples making the request doesn't delete or edit their message to show they are satisfy by one result ?

[somber sun]

you could ask them, or remind them to remove it (if they were satisfied)

[thorny temple]

Now that there is this calculator https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RAOZLOVIS6tiIpxhdskEDFwcmVkinv5n16JioZsCE2Q/edit#gid=685493629 we can honestly remove mine from the drive and put this one instead

[thorny temple]

this is a copy I think we need the original link lol

[somber sun]

lmao

you need access to it

monhuque

[thorny temple]

yeah I got an email for that LUL, but I dont remember who did the original

[slow crescent]

which is it ? screenshot

either me or sombrero (but I don't see it so ... who knows the one you are talking about)

[thorny temple]

https://puu.sh/B3VpO/f15cdc4402.png this one with the sprite preview

sorry Ruch I betrayed you lol

[somber sun]

try this

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LtFFN6G7r98UA7wribNE4sJArUhEobjlVi3oLImhtFM/edit#gid=685493629

see if my one works

[worn zodiac]

It's not really a copy of it it's the actual original

so yes it works

We are currently working on a new version which will also give the name of the fusions as well

[somber sun]

k

[plain gate]

Can we get uhhhhhhhhhhh Fairy wind on togetic? It doesn't learn any damaging fairy moves otherwise I think

Idea: single ability mons get their HA for 2nd ability (e.g. Vulpix line get flash fire & drought for abilities)

[outer acorn]

It would be nice if there was an option to start with the gen 2 starters instead of the gen 1

[tranquil ore]

^or get them somewhere

Maybe they could be the mons that you get from the trade in cerulean, instead of one of the other Kanto starters, you get one of the johto ones?

[weary rain]

An art channel ?

[serene walrus]

spanish chat plz

[thorny temple]

yes please do a spanish chat

[somber sun]

⬆ ⬆ ⬆ ⬆ ⬆ ⬆

[cedar atlas]

yes it will probably be for the best

i dont want spanish spam in spritework where most people cant understand what they are talking about

[astral portal]

that does make sense

[cedar atlas]

well i can guess what they are talking about but still

[somber sun]

i use google translate

[astral portal]

not the most accurate

[cedar atlas]

well thats why i dont use it

google translate is pretty bad

for basic stuff yes

but a big sentance will get it on its knees

[brazen swan]

#474337623427776534

[brazen swan]

Okay, found an easy formula to fix Huge Power and Pure Power, since the next update is likely to give fusions access to Marill's second ability.
PhysicalAttackDamageMultiplier = (180 - 5400/(BaseAtk+30)) / BaseAtk

at BaseAtk 60, the multiplier is 2, which matches the ability's current effect on Medicham exactly

at BaseAtk 50, the multiplier is 2.25, which gives Azumarill an effective BaseAtk of 113, buffed a bit from its traditional 100.

Most importantly, at BaseAtk 106 (Azumarill/Dragonite or Azumarill/Tyranitar), the muliplier is 1.324, giving an effective BaseAtk stat of 140. Which is still better than either Dragonite or Tyranitar without being completely unstoppable.

[thorny temple]

what about thicc club

[brazen swan]

thicc club is probably balanced by the fact that a pokémon with a thicc club probably isn't also holding a Life Orb or something like that

Although Azumawak with Huge Power and Thicc Club (Thicc Powrr for short) would have HP 87, Atk 70x1.8x2, Def 100, SpAtk 50, SpDef 80, Speed 47. BST 560 counting its effective base 252 attack wait shit what

[thorny temple]

seems reasonable

[brazen swan]

it don't that

OKAY FIXED IT. Thicc Club's new damage multiplier = (180 - 1800/(10+AdjustedBaseAtk)) / AdjustedBaseAtk, where AdjustedBaseAtk is the pokémon's base Atk multiplied by Huge Power's multiplier (which is 1 if Huge Power is absent)

[thorny temple]

o-o

I have -20

if HP is absent

[brazen swan]

I edited it a bit, look again

[thorny temple]

https://puu.sh/B7cay/5996db1067.png

[brazen swan]

AdjustedBaseAtk is the pokémon's base Atk multiplied by Huge Power's multiplier (the multiplier is 1 if Huge Power is absent)

was the intended meaning

[thorny temple]

ah I see

[brazen swan]

never mind I edited it another bit

should be (10+AdjustedBaseAtk)

my 1st and 2nd drafts of the equation were wrong, and I accidentally produced a wrong 2.5th draft by changing the wrong thing

So a Chansey or Shuckle head on a Marowak body will have base atk 55 and deal 2.769x damage with physical attacks, for an effective base atk stat of 152 and maybe I need to redo this

[serene walrus]

Meme chat

[marble panther]

no

Mem chat

[spark lichen]

I need my Shedinja

[pure patrol]

Don't know whether this is a simple suggestion or not, but what about some means of having multiple save files? That way, a player can go through a classic run and a nuzlocke or randomized along with it.

[thorny temple]

you can do that manually so

[pure patrol]

Wait, really?

[thorny temple]

saves ares stored in the balls C:/User/PcName/SavedGames/Pokemon Infinite Fusion

make subfolder or rename ur saves, the game loads only Game.rxdata

[pure patrol]

So, I would essentially disconnect and reconnect the save files one at a time in order for it to work?

[thorny temple]

the games loads only Game.rxdata, so yes just rename the old save file you want to load and put it in the right folder

[pure patrol]

Got it. Thank you for the help.

[plain gate]

Giving certain fusions moves that'd make sense would be neat (e.g. Kabutops body with grass head getting leaf blade) but I can see why it wouldn't be done

[cedar atlas]

What are the chances of having a limited few pokes to have more than 2 pokes per fusion? Example, the Bird Trio. Maybe have it as late/post game event

[red mural]

I actually like this idea a lot

+1

[zealous hamlet]

^^^

[cedar atlas]

[outer acorn]

what would the type be though

[cedar atlas]

Bird type

😄

[outer acorn]

...ya mean flying?

[cedar atlas]

nop

pure Bird type

😄

[plain gate]

it would have protean and be typeless of course

so it's always the type of its last move

[cedar atlas]

If it's possible to code, it could be Ele/Fire/ice or it could use the Typeless type that curse uses. Also, it might need some artistic work, so that it ok cause it should be fusible to whatever combo the user wants

[jade sky]

I like the idea, but because of the limitation of the rpg maker I would rather see more mons from other gens to fuse with existing ones

[plain gate]

it could also use a special custom type that would work like electric/fire/ice

For reference, this would be the effectiveness of each type versus a Fire/Electric/Ice pokemon, based on pokemondb's type chart

honestly, not that bad of a type to go up against

[austere spade]

Really the only big thing I want in this game right now is a background music and sound effects slider so I can turn the game down if I'm doing other things

[plain gate]

There should be an option to randomize the secondary shops (the left guy in the pokemart)

[nova kernel]

1st gym maybe a bit too hard

[cedar atlas]

ohh that shop thing is a good idea

could be kinda broken in some cases

[plain gate]

about as broken as finding 10 rare candies

but uhhhh items that are unsellable couldn't be bought

[cedar atlas]

maybe they will appear in the shop and cost no money ?

[plain gate]

I meant it'd be good if they were blacklisted from shops

[plain gate]

can we uhhhhhh replace the sandstorm animation It's really bad

[left tapir]

yeah its known to be painful

hail is even worse iirc

[brazen swan]

or at least layer it underneath the menus and pokemon status boxes instead of on top of them

[left tapir]

pretty sure its not supposed to be a pokeball

also wouldnt that be considered animal abuse?

[royal depot]

no, it is pokemon abuse

[left tapir]

ah, youre right

[rough gull]

@cedar atlas I'm down to add the triple legendary birds fusion if someone is willing to sprite it hahah

[cedar atlas]

It'll probably be not too hard to find someone, given the fact that people can request sprites. I'll ask in the subreddit on sunday/monday when im done with work

[plain gate]

I might

Maybe

[cedar atlas]

I can shoot you a few bucks to do 3-ish sprites to cover any combination that can be added

1 for each bird being in the middle. I was thinking of one for each bird on both sides, but thats either 9 combos or 27

[pulsar lance]

how about doing a contest for making the fusion sprite

[outer acorn]

If it’s a contest, maybe the reward could be getting a trainer in the next version based on you?

[rough gull]

I like that

[torpid summit]

You could have a three-headed bird, or just one ultimate bird

[plain gate]

Custom trainer somewhere would be neato

[cedar atlas]

Inb4 people start posting sprites of Lugia

[thorny temple]

what if you needed the help of lugia to defeat the legendary fusion

[cedar atlas]

Maybe needing both Lugia and Ho-oh to beat it, Lugia to actually beat it and Ho-oh to make the birds able to be fusion-able after you catch them

[plain gate]

I'd make the legendary fusion have stats comparable to mewtwo

[cedar atlas]

Maybe Base Mewtwo, if the other Mewtwo forms are in the game

[plain gate]

though... if you were to fuse all 3 birds and gave them a custom type (to emulate tripple typing), it wouldn't get STAB from ice/fire/electric moves

[cedar atlas]

Should make Tri-Attack a Fusion only move and make it Swole

Or maybe a Fusion Type and make a set of Multi-type moves like Tri-attack or some custom ones Fusion typed?

[plain gate]

A pokeball changer, lets you modify what pokeball your pokemon is in (doesn't do effects of shiny/virus/ect. balls when being changed to)

[tranquil ore]

I like the fusion competition thing! Imma try When I get back home

Which sadly won’t be for like...5 days

[astral portal]

pvp would be great

I would make a team of super soldiers

(just a team of yanmega marowaks with thick clubs and speed boost)

[tranquil ore]

The super soldier serum🤯

[astral portal]

yes

[left tapir]

holy shit that is a genious idea

[brazen swan]

This is a little extreme, but I think Surf should be available after Koga's gym instead of Sabrina's. It seems harsh to hide the sheer amount of content it unlocks behind Silph. Co AND Sabrina, and basically every trainer you need surf to reach is leveled in the upper 30s, which is waaaay below your team post-sabrina, and frankly post-koga too.

[astral portal]

I do agree with that or could increase the levels of some of those trainers

[cedar atlas]

The level idea sounds better, but the surf early sounds easier

[astral portal]

yeah

[gray ibex]

Would it be too pandering to display a pokemon's types in battle?

cause sometimes its really hard to know whether a pokemon is bug/fire or dark/grass for example

that would be a houndris or pardour

[left tapir]

i mean you can use the pokedex to see what type it is

in battle

[gray ibex]

huh, i had no idea

Thanks, problem solved!

too bad it takes a turn

[left tapir]

yeah

[gray ibex]

Thanks though

[left tapir]

yw

[jade sky]

I would love to make custom trainers, changing up their mons and giving them custom movesets. To make it harder or just to display cool fusions I have encountered so far.
Is there a way to do that without programming skills?

Hm this didn't really fit in 'suggestions', now that I think about it lol
So let's say..
Implementing a way to customize trainers.
Seems like a lot of work though. :/

[nova kernel]

make this randomized

[short leaf]

where can i catch Moltres? volcano is empty

[cedar atlas]

if you dont pick moltress first at cinnabar

you cant get it

its a bug

[short leaf]

rly? but i have Zapdos and Articuno

oh k

thanks

[astral portal]

F

[serene walrus]

hola geno

[astral portal]

hola

[gray ibex]

Is it a reasonable request to set certain pokemon at the start of a game? Intentionally lock out gen2 for example?

[cedar atlas]

@jade sky To build off of your custom trainers, maybe Gym Leaders can have custom fusions?

[plain gate]

An option for something like the New pokedex from gen 2 (basically a dex that puts newer mons along with their evo lines) would be cool

[nova kernel]

please take the breathing noise out of lavender town music if you can. it is fucking scary

[tranquil edge]

so scare-
now i wanna listen?

[outer acorn]

...What breathing noise?

I think that might be on your end

[nova kernel]

it isnt

[tranquil edge]

is there like a PIF soundtrack--

[nova kernel]

you must not be listenning to it long enough

[tranquil edge]

i listen to music with breathing in it,, alot

[nova kernel]

it starts making a weird noise after long enough

[tranquil edge]

now i REALLY want a soundtrack

[tranquil edge]

coolio

[brazen swan]

(this is suggestions)

[nova kernel]

oops XD

sorry

[keen meadow]

Hey I was wondering if boosts would come back

I guess 25% is a little too much and infused mons would get racked,but

Without boosts the best stats always get lowered and that was the fun part of the game,at least for me

Like,I have a Magnezone and Rapidash fusion,with the boost they both had benefits from,like,108 speed with 135 speed.atk.That's really god

And now..it's just a 90 speed with 113 sp.atk. It get's a little bit of the fun out of it for me

Maybe it's cause I like showdown and seeing stuff like a 170 atk excites me,but,I dunno,if fusions could get like a 10-15% boost I think it would be fair,and a little more enjoyable

[outer acorn]

@keen meadow Maybe it could be that you got a bonus if both haves had the same highest stat? That would provide and incentive to fuse mons that would normally be redundant, without making fusions in general too OP

Plus it just makes sense that fusing two fast mons would get you an even faster mon, or two defensive mons and even tankier one, and so on

[keen meadow]

Yeah but I mean,if you combine 2 mons and and both lose a chunk of their stats without really gaining much in the others it doesn't really make sense to me. The fact that the head gets those 3 stats and the body the other 3 was made for a reason,to make the mons better,at this point if there are no boost just take the stats without changing them and swap them,like instead of the head x0.66 + the body x0.33 just swap the stats of the head in Ps,Sp.Atk and Sp.Red with the body's ones. In this case the mons wouldn't lose their positives. That's why I'm saying to at least give them 10-15% boosts so they can get a little bit higher stats.

[jade sky]

Fusions are still way better than unfused ones. Better typings and better movepools.

Some fusions are ridiculously strong even without boost

[outer acorn]

It is possible to make fusions that have higher BST than their individual parts

[keen meadow]

Yeah but for like 10 pointa

[outer acorn]

to pick an extreme example, Blissey + Cloyster has a BST of 625

[keen meadow]

No fun in using it tho

And for someone like me that doesn't use stuff like Gengar and Alakazam or charking

The boost on the more original mons was great

Like I was using kinda that has all 95s

With the boost it went to all 122,5

It's too much and that I understand,maybe a 10 or 15% boost would've been enough

To like 110

[astral portal]

I gues 10 percent boost wouldn't be bad

[austere spade]

The whole point of a fusion as well is to be a combination of both pokemon, so it makes sense to combine stats rather than simply splitting them up. I haven't had an issue with any fusions being too weak. Typing combinations have a huge advantage

[keen meadow]

That happens if you fuse like two sp taking mons

[austere spade]

Or if you don't

[keen meadow]

That have 90+ both in Sp atk

Imagine having a gyarados and alakazam for example

It goes from super strong mons with great atk and Sp atk to a mediocre mon

[austere spade]

I fused golem and venosaur the wrong way around, still a great fighter due to the movepool and typing

[keen meadow]

How do you use it? Physical or Special?

[austere spade]

Mixed. I'm just playing the game the first time through so there's no sense in spending hours shoveling through natures and decided whether to only use physical or special

You don't even have to play through with fusions

[jade sky]

Boosts will lead to already strong fusions becoming even stronger compared to weak ones as they gain less stats from a %bonus

[keen meadow]

That makes sense

[jade sky]

Maybe a fixed stat bonus depending on lvl would be better in this case. (Even thoigh i am personally against boosts, as fusions are already strong enough)

[austere spade]

This could also just be a difference in opinion since the game is important to me more the first time through, and metagaming can be used for replay

[outer acorn]

That's why I suggested the bonus only apply to mons that share a highest stat, it helps boost fusions that would normally not be the best options

[keen meadow]

I guess the competitive side of me just wants higher stats 😂

@austere spade the part that I enjoy the most in the games is getting the perfect mons,the story it's not that important for me,I guess this game is a little bit different from the gold e silver originals but the plot it's always "beat the bad boys"

[austere spade]

Again, difference of opinions. I'm personally sad to see you can't see EVs and IVs standard ^^'

[keen meadow]

Having played competitively and I just can't stand bad natures

[outer acorn]

For the record, I like making strong mons, but ultimately they also need to be interesting in some way

[austere spade]

Breeding and training is fun, but I don't want to just blow through the game if I've never played it before

[keen meadow]

You can use calcs to understand IVs and Evs

[outer acorn]

(maybe we should move this to #general ?)

[keen meadow]

Yeah

[slow crescent]

A suggestion could be to make the boost optional from the start (very much like random. you chose at the begining). That way, the player can chose his poison. Easyer, more impressive game because mons became really strong. Or slightly Harder, more fair game.

[tranquil leaf]

I like having an option, that seems like a good idea

[keen meadow]

@slow crescent genius

[pure patrol]

A suggestion that might be interesting is having doubled typing. When this happens it would essentially double the weaknesses of the first type, making it x4 weak or x4 resistant to all of it's normal types. This allows the person to easily keep track of it's weaknesses while also increasing it's resistances. But the only way to obtain a doubled type is when two mono-typed pokemon of the same type are fused together. For example, a Koffing and an Ekans would result in a double poison type. It would sort of make them special, but not completely rare as there are plenty of mono-type pokemon. ESPECIALLY normal types.

[urban acorn]

cant wait for that double mono flying type 😄 ... wait

[plain gate]

hey man, double ground immunity

Get healed for full damage you would've taken

[urban acorn]

its physically impossible to get one in this game... thats what i was hinting at

(and even if we had every single pokemon to date the only option would be a tornadus/tornadus fusion)

[outer acorn]

actually

normal/flying fuses as pure flying

so you could get one pretty easily

[plain gate]

Noibat line also has primary flying, so if we get to the point where gen 6 mons happened it'd be there

[spring onyx]

Just a suggestion. I would like to be able to fuse 2 of the same pokemon together and be able to make a custom sprite that is different from the unfused version. Then I could make sprites with some exaggerated features or for some maybe use their mega evolution sprite.

[outer acorn]

I think you can already do that?

[thorny temple]

you can

[brazen swan]

I believe that in 4.0 the dna splicers fail when you try to use them on two of the same pokémon. You can still fuse a caterpie with a metapod and get a butterfree/butterfree that way though.

[spring onyx]

Really? I tried to fuse the same pokemon together and it failed. Plus I don't see a separate sprite in the files.

[thorny temple]

ur right

[dark relic]

So does that mean we can't buy a Magikarp/Magikarp for 5000p?

[thorny temple]

wait no there is seperate sprite

and fusion

[brazen swan]

136 and 136.136

[spring onyx]

@dark relic

[thorny temple]

you'd have to change 136.136

[spring onyx]

I only see 136.136 no plain old 136 unless it is stored somewhere else.

[brazen swan]

end of the folder?

[thorny temple]

it's at the bottom

always check the butt bottom

[spring onyx]

Well I'm dumb. This makes my day though. Mega evolutions here we go.

[slow crescent]

No. Someone already tryed and it's look like it always use the base one. not the base.base

I might be remember wrong though

[cedar atlas]

I remember smth simmilar

Someone made a charizard/charizard but it used the regular mon's sprite

[willow iris]

A few days back people were talking about making a boost for the highest stat of each part of a fusion, but it was going to make the game too easy. I like the idea of it, so to make it more balanced you could make both parts of the fusion have their highest stat raised by 10% while also having their two lowest stats lowered by 6%. That would keep the game from becoming too unbalanced and also give another layer of depth to fusions.

[cedar atlas]

the boost was a thing a while ago

and it was applied universaly

this includes enemy fused mons too

so it does not change the difficulty of the game

i find no reason to have it

[outer acorn]

yeah

in my mind at least, the point of a boost would be to have it apply to less-meat fusion combos, to give a reason to use them

[jade sky]

it does not change the difficulty if both mons (yours and the enemys) gain the same amount of stats from it.
if you boost stats by a %value, the fusions that will profit the most from it are the ones that are based off of mons with high bst, aka fusions that are already good. (it also may make mixed attackstat mons worse)

i think the best would be to apply a fixed amount of stats instead. so low bst mons/fusions profit more from it (%-wise).

or apply a higher boost to lower bst mons/fusions. not sure if something like that is possible though

(^though this may lead to fusions, that are good because of abilities/movesets and not raw stats, becoming too strong. like Chansey&Blissey/Ditto for example)

[outer acorn]

I was talking about a boost that would only effect some mons, yeah.

[jade sky]

i guess you could solve this by increasing stats of weak vanilla mons, but that would be confusing for figuring out how your fusion would turn out

[keen meadow]

Yeah but remember that usually only 2 stats in total get boosted,I used kingdra for example bacause 4 of it's stats are 95 so they all got the boost and it was kinda interesting

And if my mon gets 10%% boost in speed and sp.def and the other in def and HP I don't know if the mons have the same advantage.

[tranquil leaf]

Make the metal powder item work like it does in gen 2, it'd make ditto fusions actually worth something

[thorny temple]

can't we have organized categories for our channels

[cedar atlas]

organized categories ?

[slow crescent]

like the channel are in a sub menu I think. similar to that

it coul have a few categories indeed. Like a report bugs catégorie, (#355373573860360205 #tech-support, #overworld-bug-reports, #bug-reports-older-versions ) a game catégorie (#playthrough-talk, #gaming ), an general catégorie (#general, #fusions, #474337623427776534), a custom work catégorie (#spriting-discussion, #media) , a random catégorie (#off-topic), an information catégorie (#announcements, #fusion-faq, #game-suggestions )
Something like that I guess

did I got it right @thorny temple ?

[thorny temple]

ye

[tranquil ore]

Well...it has happened

I was very confused when I tried finding the channels tho😂gotta get used to this

[brazen swan]

I just now learned about categories. This look okay?

[tranquil ore]

Like I said...most likely everyone’s gotta get used to this. But I think that it isn’t bad at all!

[thorny temple]

maybe now people will read the faq

[cedar atlas]

maybe make a arts categorie

for spritework and stuff

audio too

i guess

[slow crescent]

I like it

[brazen swan]

audio is dead. video killed it

[cedar atlas]

😄

[slow crescent]

I just saw it and I am already use to it

[urban acorn]

what? i thought audio was like a bug report channel or something

[cedar atlas]

i honestly dont know why it was made

someone wanted it made so its simmilar to spritework

but of course nobody is making sound files there

so ...

[slow crescent]

Yeah. I think this person though the spriter in spritework was an official thing and it was unfair for the people doing the audio (of cours, there is no one who do audio or sprites officialy, it's just stuff that the dev got already made. But that user didn't knew that I assume)

[urban acorn]

do you think we'll ever 'finish' the spriting?

[tranquil ore]

finish the spriting?

[slow crescent]

No. Because not all of us (I certainly don't) care about what's already been done or not. It's just fun to try making one

[cedar atlas]

maybe in a couple of years

[slow crescent]

(and there is like 75350 fusion so...)

[cedar atlas]

but i doubt it

even if 10 people make 1 sprite per day

it will take forever

lets not even talk about the possibility of Schrroms adding more mons later on

[slow crescent]

if one sprite where made every day, it will took 206 years. therefor, if 10 people made 1 sprite a day, it will still take 20 year

[urban acorn]

75625? i think if i did the math right

[slow crescent]

-275 because the fusion of the same mon is currently not working

[urban acorn]

really? when did that happen?

[slow crescent]

mmm, maybe even -550 actually

[urban acorn]

nah i already acounted for non-fused

[slow crescent]

well, right now if you try to fuse them it doesn't let you. you can trick it by fusing 2 pokemon of the same line and them make them evolv but the sprite is the base one anyway

[urban acorn]

we could reduce the required amount if we just focus on the ones that can be obtained from a first evolution fusion

[tranquil ore]

I've had the idea to at least sprite the mons of special trainers at first. so that would be the gym leaders, Blue/Gary whatever, Giovanni (all the battles)

maybe after that, the trainers in the gyms, and the team rocket grunts...and then finally the regular trainers

That seems pretty doable tbh...if allot of the spriters work together it might not take super duper long

[urban acorn]

true (tho i keep playing randomized... i don't know what their pokemon are)

[plain gate]

Fusion icons should alternate between the pokemon they're made of (e.g. squirtmander would alternate between squirtle and charmander)

[thorny temple]

that's an idea

[outer acorn]

it would probably be painful to look at in sped-up mode

I would suggest the body's icon with the head's colors

if we're looking for a simplified representation

[keen meadow]

Give the first mewtwo a multi hitting move so @austere spade can't beat it

[austere spade]

:c

[astral portal]

yes plz Kveykva has become too powerful and we need to have extra measures to ensure the safety of mankind

[thorny temple]

please make Ice a better defensive type

[errant dune]

Put in the options a way to turn on or off randomize mode.

[marble panther]

Just dont do randomized mode

That would be to hard

to put it to normal, then randomize it again, then back and forth and so on

[tranquil ore]

And you can turn off randomizer once you reach Brock, by talking to the “government guy” upstairs

[thorny temple]

I suggest putting this battle music somewhere bcuz it's too cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gdJM3tFXG8&index=107&list=LLtKkKJLjXk7e_BuUvP3pHlw&t=0s

[plain gate]

Make the Random trainers obey the shuffled wild dex, or have that as an option

[junior cypress]

Also make it possible to choose which ability your fusemon gets

Somehow

[plain gate]

They're planning on doing something like that I think

[junior cypress]

Make electric types immune to paralysis please

[keen crest]

Why?

In vanilla they aren't either

[austere spade]

They are in gen 7

One thing I've learned from excessive battle tree

[junior cypress]

I'm pretty sure it started in either gen 5 or 6

[keen crest]

Is that by thunder wave

or also by Glare

[junior cypress]

Thunder Wave

[brazen swan]

As of gen 6 electric types are immune to paralysis, even from attacks like Glare and Body Slam

[keen crest]

huh