showdown-general

[tribal trellis]

could have just asked btw

[hexed umbra]

Do sample teams exist?

[white oar]

wdym

[tribal trellis]

i mean if you just needed a team

im sure someone would have given you one

[white oar]

oh hell nah

no

I wanted to use the team I had prepared

but A. i thought this was tomorrow lol

B. not on this pc

[tribal trellis]

ok sure

[white oar]

the documentation begins

help

4 photos collaged together to make this monster

3 hours and 8 minute tournament

[pure breach]

thank you for sharing it

[frigid frost]

wait this was today

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/592970134973317141/1061351524455956520/emojidies.gif

[odd kiln]

wtf this lasted 3 hours

no way i couldve done it even if it wasnt at 4 in the morning

[white oar]

was truly pain documenting it

[white oar]

i feel that

I thought it was tommorow

was planning on having a friend send me my team doc

[inner jasper]

Championship ended up being two battles that both lasted over 100 turns.

[sudden prawn]

Whose got that championship team Pokepaste?

[white oar]

i've got a replay of the matches

[torpid thicket]

please lower the pp on recovery moves

a game shouldnt take 40 mins

[fast elm]

you're gonna need a time machine and connections within gamefreak to make that happen bro :/

[torpid thicket]

in gen 9 all recovery moves had their pp lowerd

recover and stuff have 8 pp

[fast elm]

its a gen 7 format sadly

[torpid thicket]

we cant have custom rules i mean its based off a rom hack

[fast elm]

then ask the creator of the rom hack ig

[frigid frost]

well yeah the fangame has recover with 16pp lol

[pure breach]

there's always the NatDex format, which is a gen 9 format

[torpid thicket]

when will ru and stuff be a thing?

[stiff fox]

New to showdown via this game, but is there an easy way to import my team from infinite fusion into showdown?

[torpid thicket]

you would just put them in the team and do their fusion manualy there is no importing from fusion to showdown

[stiff fox]

copy that thank you. doing a soullink and we wanted to fight with our real teams after beating blue but if we can't the general ivs and evs will suffice.

[fast blade]

Best special sweeper in OU?

[hexed umbra]

Sorta related to this, it would be cool to see the current usage stats

[lost galleon]

Probably Sylvern with the pixilated boomburst

There's others that can hit harder and faster in specific circumstances, but I can't think of anything that's better as a generalist set you can slot wherever you feel like.

[stiff fox]

My friend is attempting to accept my custom battle challenge in showdown but is unable to do so. they can play against random opponents just fine. is there something they can do to accept custom battles?

[odd kiln]

whats the error

[stiff fox]

hes not getting an error. its only displaying for him to "allow spectators" and thats all. he is also unable to challenge directly

[odd kiln]

what

maybe he has to be autoconfirmed aka win a ladder battle and have a week old acc

[stiff fox]

we will try that thank you

[white oar]

started a google slide with links inserted into text saying REPLAY next to matches

this is gonna take me a life time

[fast blade]

Why?

[white oar]

documentation

I like to lol

[white oar]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gZcOihkRtXKkDNO4PhoBYOcJNDrYyRH7SmecGdFXcA8/edit#slide=id.p

List of all Replays saved next to their spot in the brackets

[viscid skiff]

what was the winning set?

[fast blade]

Oh was this for the $1K tournament?

Oh then that makes a lot more sense

I thought I you were doing it randomly for your games

[fast blade]

Someone pin this

[odd kiln]

its not even accessible for me

[fast blade]

Oh make it open

[hexed umbra]

Make it so anyone with the link can view

[timber flume]

what would be the best hail setter?

alo tales + someone?

do you go more offensive or defensive?

[midnight summit]

More defensive so you can keep resetting your hail once it leaves

[odd kiln]

speed is the most important factor bc you want to set veil before you get hit or taunted

after that bulk obv

[white oar]

awh fuck

[white oar]

no that shit was for the inaugural

it took me a day because I was busy

perms fixed

[midnight summit]

Best I could come up with is alo tales + scream tail, starmie, or inteleon

[timber flume]

what about alo tales plus a 100/100/100 mythical

[midnight summit]

They're all faster than alo tales but scream is the slowest but bulkiest, inteleon is the fastest, and starmie gets lunar dance which could be a intresting pivot

[timber flume]

starmie one could be intetesting, though psychic is a bad type to have

could you do zeraora or dragapult, maybe?

in terms of speed they beat out most else

OH WAIT

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ICE TYPE ANYMORE I FORGOT

yeah that changes a lot now actually

doesn't natdex IF have snow instead of hail?

[midnight summit]

should since its gen 9

[waxen geode]

Can anyone send me the link to the if showdown?

[tribal trellis]

https://play.pokeathlon.com/

Here

It's pinned here also

[waxen geode]

love ya

[tribal trellis]

np always happy to help

tell me if you want help on the format too or something idk

[waxen geode]

all's good, just wanted to goof with my friend and play some fusions

[tribal trellis]

Ok

Have fun

[waxen geode]

thx thx

[warped veldt]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=gammares-acetraineroritz-1702915362043
Went from "it's so joever" to "we're so fucking back" in 30 seconds

[fast blade]

Wait it gets sunsteel strike? How?

[ruby current]

fire/steel fusions get it

[torpid thicket]

why cant comfey be used in gen 7 ou?

comfey came out in gen 7

[inner jasper]

It's not Gen 7 OU, its the IF Dex OU which Comfey is not a part of.

[torpid thicket]

oh

[kindred juniper]

My face seeing this stall-mon (it's a random match) 😭

[high oak]

What’s the most broken combo of Pokémon

[feral anchor]

snorlax/mewtwo with r/g/y mechanics

[high oak]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-surprised-shocked-oh-my-god-gif-15440994307613885016

[lost galleon]

Ninjask/Blissey with Final Gambit

[raw forum]

Does your showdown keep the active change log of the other for example the baton pass clause?

[fast elm]

i don't understand the question

[tribal trellis]

i think he is just asking if it's like the same banlist as normal showdown

like how baton passing positive stats is banned

cause it's not written anywhere

with some other clauses

like here i guess

cause most bans are like manual abilities and stuff

like evasion abilities

[thick stag]

man i hope more randbats suggestions get added soon
most of the 'mons I've seen don't even have a speed stat over 160

[tribal trellis]

what

no way

randbats sets should have 84 evs in every stat

mabye cause it changes lv as well

but still

[ruby current]

A lot of pokemon are in the mid 70s level and a lot of fusion material drags the speed down

[tribal trellis]

yea i mean 80 speed stat passes 160 only on lv 74

with the 84 evs

[glossy zealot]

suposing i love banette and want to use him on showdown despite the fact he is trash

what would be less terrible

[tribal trellis]

he isn't so trash because he get's spectral thief when fused

which is a really good move

i have seen some nice fusions that have scarf with banette

[fast blade]

Fuse it with a normal type and hope for the best.

Ghost/Normal is a fantastic type combo, 1 weakness and 3 immunities. But Banette does suck.

Or Banette is one of the relatively few who gets gunk shot, which is for functional purposes the highest BP move that can be Sheer force boosted.

Pair it with Nidoking, and you've given it STAB Sheer forced boosted, recoilless life orb boosted 120 BP Gunk shot off 107 attack. But you're slow and frail lol.

[glossy zealot]

back in gen6 i loved playing doublade and kecleon in ou, it was my signature stuff (i 1shooted every gliscor with ice punch) so fused them together

[thick stag]

yeah most fusions I see in randbats have some sort of slow bulky mon in them, seeming to favor stuff like the regis, tangrowth, toxapex, and others

[timber flume]

what's the best defensive fuse for rock type?

specifically for garg

i fused it with cofagrigus which gave it spirit shackle

so now it has spirit shackle salt cure

[tribal trellis]

yea that's a pretty good one

[odd kiln]

rock grass is decent

[timber flume]

how about raikou/ninetales for a hail setter?

[odd kiln]

why though

[timber flume]

why raikou?

well fairy has a lot of good defensive types

electric being among them

raikou's fast and decently bulky

it's faster than alotales and gives it pivot in volt switch

and for what? well, you have arctozolt

• something else obv

i elected zeraora for more speed and attack + close combat

there's also cobalion+alotales for steel type, taunt, stealth rock, volt switch and more defense but less speed and sp. atk

[odd kiln]

its snow warning but you have like 2 defensive mons on that team

[odd kiln]

thats just worse arctovile bc no sd

[timber flume]

oh no that's just the test box

[fast blade]

Why all the natdex posts

Natdex is such an L

[delicate gull]

Nd is great 🗿

[odd kiln]

i see an ndag game being played finally but the moment i ladder it goes silent

[white oar]

why are people teambuilding in general

[slow cloud]

What is the website link again?

Nevermind

[glossy zealot]

i was trying copycat + prankster combinations

i ended in clefable + kelfki but could be better combos

[feral anchor]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#&player=nark&replay=nerserus-narkoths-1703015352742
Punishment is a forgotten move tbh, it has a use.

[fast blade]

Seems incredibly niche, when you know you're fighting set up pokemon

[feral anchor]

on unaware it goes pretty hard, in the replay the Manibuzz/Dondozo was able to use it to beat a stalling clefable/registeel even though its resisted

If you have unaware ona bulky dark type, I say it's worth running

[odd kiln]

sounds bad

dark/water is not a good unaware mon plus you could just use curse to boost past it

knock off has much more utility than punishment

[feral anchor]

Punishment has a niche, when a pokemon is too strong to try to knock the item off before it sets up more and kills you, its sometimes worth it more to have punishment over knock off, or at worst a different move.
Also, Dark/Water stops 2 common sweeping moves, being completely immune to stored power and resisting power trip. Too bad nothing can be done about that water typing.

[odd kiln]

but ur unaware

[feral anchor]

y e s

if the mon wasnt unaware it would just be killed in one hit and be completely useless

[odd kiln]

so it cant set up more and kill you

while you can spam curse and koff

you can easily be poison dark

which is a much better typing as it has less weaknesses to exploit

[feral anchor]

there's a dark or poison unaware mon?

[odd kiln]

clodsire

[feral anchor]

ehh pitiful defense. Dondozo is generally better but clod has the better typing

[odd kiln]

just fuse it with a high def dark

[feral anchor]

Ting/lu or darkceus - Ting has higher hp, def. darkceus has lower hp, comparable def, but way higher spdef

you dont need the plate to keep arceus type change in ag

[unborn pine]

Ting lu has a great ability as well

But I assume you want unaware

Dark steel isn't bad either, tho fighting weak

[fast blade]

You've got a 4x weakness to fighting and ground and fire are common weaknesses. And then you've got the distinct displeasure of being one of the only steel typed that don't resist u turn lol

[white oar]

and not resisting fairy

[stuck halo]

weak to pretty much most common types

[unborn pine]

idk I don't play natde

natdex

In if dex the most common types are fairy steel ghost and flying

And there's barely any good fighting types with close combat

[lost galleon]

There is Infernape though

Return to MONKE

Especially now that MONKE BODY gives you fighting STAB

Ape has always had potential and now there’s no Blaziken to ruin things

There is Lucario but nobody uses it because Dragonite makes a better extreme killer set

[odd kiln]

infernape is pretty mediocre

not enough atk and no good ability

[lost galleon]

It’s fast, it hits decently hard, it has a great movepool, and it gets STAB close combat

[odd kiln]

stab cc is just a given for fighting physical mons

if u dont have that ur already mediocre

even the strongest body gives you 124 atk with a paltry 91 spe

[unborn pine]

It's still weird how there's so few cc Pokémon before gen 8

Blaziken didn't have cc

Plenty of setup Pokémon to fuse infernape with, just a lack of immediate power mons

That aren't slow

Maybe something like this, but the attack is still not that impressive

This probably sucks

Salanape might be useable as a choice band Pokémon

[hexed umbra]

Infernape got hit really hard by power creep, it doesn't have the power or the speed it wants

[feral ice]

what should I have on teams for OU?

[unborn pine]

already in one sorry :}

[unborn pine]

a ghost type and a steel type for fairy and normal extreme speed and boombursts

[white oar]

can you stop teambuilding in general

[timber flume]

sure

you still need someone?

[manic sand]

Nah sorry, the spot got filled

[timber flume]

ah oof

[feral ice]

thx

[tiny wadi]

the server is screwy, i cant use my perfectly legal klingklang scizor set that is nothing but moves it gets from either lv up or a normal move tutor.

[rough rapids]

I have 4 mons on my main team with issues 😉

[tiny wadi]

i have freking 21 teams and i dont wanna have go fixing all of them

i cant even use hidden power

[rough rapids]

yea hidden eats at me fr fr

[tiny wadi]

i dont use it that often, but its not ok

[rough rapids]

rock special options are very limited

[tiny wadi]

honestly, imma make a doc showing off every thing thats wrong on my teams

[rough rapids]

it's just not usin the set of moves that actaully in the format, someother db/unknown for reference after the sever restart

[tiny wadi]

this makes no sense

[rough rapids]

the list of avaible moves vesus legals moves aren't the same

[tiny wadi]

well than why is that?

[rough rapids]

well I don't know but that's my best guess

[tiny wadi]

i literally have only 4 out of my 21 teams i can actually use rn

and 2 of them are basicly the same. ones a balanced sand team, the others a mono rock sand team

[rough rapids]

I can't be bothered to check my teams, I just ditch stuff when I get bored

[teal mesa]

My team rn is lowkey goated

[glossy zealot]

do a steel dhelmise fusion do 2.25 damage?

on steel atacks

[odd kiln]

yes

[white oar]

beeg number

[terse willow]

Here is a fun one for somebody to play with

Thing is borderline unkillable

He just doesn’t care

Spreads willowisp and gimps physical attackers

capable of learning iron defense if you feel like it

has recover

acceptable special attack

serene grace

tons of moves

[white oar]

ok

one slight issue

blissey is an uber

[odd kiln]

chanseycofagrigus is better

iron defense and serene grace do nothing though

[white oar]

one would assume the appeal is iron defense + mummy being an issue for things like scizor

or snorcor for that matter

still dumb imo

you're better off with like porygon2

for that at least

[odd kiln]

but this is ag

id isnt good just use haze

[white oar]

Indeed

i said porygon2 because it's actually legal

and has a higher base defense for that purpose

[odd kiln]

but it relies on eviolite and snorcor uses koff

[white oar]

most snorcor run facade plus koff and eliminating a snorcor is worth imo

though it's still a shit mon to me because it's immune to facade and thus cant switch in to do it safely

[odd kiln]

but it doesnt eliminate it it just forces it out

because its weak to dark snorcor just sets to +6 and ohkos

[white oar]

mummy?

what snorcor wants to lose poison heal

also super late response lmao

[odd kiln]

ppl got lives

snorcor is more than happy to ohko something and lose maybe 40% hp that it can just recover off later

[white oar]

I mean I'd probably take that situation but one unaware mon and it's kinda over for that snorcor

[odd kiln]

only if that unaware is physically bulky enough with setup to beat it

this is also veering off the original topic of mummy

[white oar]

I mean the situation I imagined was Snorcor sets up on the mummy

hits, loses poison heal

unaware comes in

snorcor is essentially eliminated as a wincon because of toxic and setup taking too long

or is at least much worse

[odd kiln]

no you just switch out

you setup to +6 ohko the mummy mon

lose 40%

unaware comes in

switch out

switch back in later and click roost if needed to regen full hp

[white oar]

ah

I missed the switch out bit

yeah then it's pointless lmao

[terse willow]

The serene grace isn’t for iron defense or anything

It’s just a very nice ability when you have things like ice beam, shadow ball, etc.

shadow ball with casual 60% chance to lower special defense

But RIP if we keeping it to OU

[worldly fjord]

the 20% freeze 💀

at least triage got banned lmao

[odd kiln]

40%

but natural cure is much more useful for a wall

[soft aurora]

is the server down?

[toxic girder]

Hello! I'm new! I would like to ask you : how can I generate the fusions on the server?

[tribal trellis]

you have this box

which as it shows it's the body of the fusion

and the first one is the head of the fusion

[terse ridge]

Ooh there's a tournament?

Ill get the next one

I need to set up on Showdown

I used to play competitive, but this looks much more fun with all the fusions available. So many potential hidden strats that could be amazing.

[soft aurora]

help!

nvm wrong link

[fast blade]

So does chansey and you recommended chansey?

[odd kiln]

bc that was not in the context of beating snorcor

[white oar]

i am so mad that every mon that receives clanging scales is a physical attacker

[karmic lagoon]

hello any cool competitive mon that could use custom sprotes?

[odd kiln]

maybe arceus-doublade

weavile-zekrom

hooh-donphan

porygonz-noivern

registeel-moltres

[pure breach]

Entei/Haxorus

Ambipom/Breloom

[odd kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-kenan-thompson-gif-14317844

[pure breach]

Dhelmise/Ferrothorn

I’m sure there’s a handful of randbats sets that could use cool sprites too

Hitmontop/Umbreon

Jynx/Nidoking

But I think Poryvern is the most important, one of the most used fusions in OU and no sprite

[low merlin]

https://fxtwitter.com/CursedMario/status/1738760133885247633?t=qb2wLT4DpRWpeEyzmR1zxQ&s=19 saw this on my twitter timeline

[sudden prawn]

There are like 4 different Poryvern sprites coming in the next pack

[thick axle]

We are finally getting a Pokémon with an ability that blocks priority attacks, gen 7 ou is healing #announcements

[odd kiln]

is it really

i cant think of an instance where id want to bruxish over an espeed resist or something

[thick axle]

Probably no, but it’s a decent addition

[odd kiln]

personally not seeing it

wouldve wished for something like barbaracle or whatever was on my christmas wishlist

#showdown-general message

[pure breach]

Oh sick and also awesome

[thick axle]

It’s worth mentioning that Bruxish is number 469 in the if Dex, meanwhile meloetta pirouette is 467, so there is a single slot for a single Evo mon, we can pray for Heatran 🙏

[white oar]

real

please give me a flash fire steel so I can have the unhittable bug/steel

[vivid junco]

just join nat dex. Been so much fun

[white oar]

i dont wanna deal with the insanity of gen 8-9 pokemon

[vivid junco]

It a lot of fun. Ive been enjoying the new dlc's mons a lot

like this guy

[unborn pine]

Bruxish is in

You know what this means

Extreme speed immunity

[pure breach]

Woo

Unlike every ghost ever

But this time you can look fashionable

[inner jasper]

Ah but its immune to Pixalate/Refrigerate E-Speed on top of normal E-speed as well

[white oar]

also bullet, shadow sneak and ice shard

[lost galleon]

Holy moly we got Bruxish

The extreme killer meta is probably dead

[white oar]

it's been dead

that shit was like week one

[lost galleon]

Not that they’ll be bad but Dazzling shuts that shit down

So hard

[white oar]

real talk but like who's actually gonna try bruxish

[lost galleon]

I would. I still see a lot of extreme killer bullshit on the ladder, and Strong Jaw is a hell of an ability too

[white oar]

just use tyrantrum though

[unborn pine]

Tyrantrum doesn't really have anything to abuse it with

Bruxish is faster and has stab psychic fangs

[white oar]

yeah but you need it in the body slot for stab

and its base stats are bad

[hexed umbra]

Dazzling is so nice to have, it's a shame Bruxish isn't that good

[sudden prawn]

Nice to have a Psychic type immune to sucker punch too

[white oar]

how many of yall even see sucker punch actually

[lost galleon]

I’ve never seen priority that wasn’t extreme speed

[runic oak]

Best material for Bruxish Strong Jaw is Hydreigon because the other Dark types all have it as a secondary

[odd kiln]

weavile is better

but dark psychic is a p shitty offensive typing

[lost galleon]

You can do worse. Dark is very spammable, and psychic will hit the fighting types and fairy types that might try to take advantage of you spamming knock or crunch

[odd kiln]

ofc theres always worse

[rough rapids]

bruxish has nothing on say a steel/grass type with say maybe ironbarbs and good defense stat ( in context to ekillers )

[runic oak]

Yeah, it's probably not an OU mon. It's a bit too one note for that

[hexed umbra]

Dark/Psychic is a garbage typing, it somehow has 0 resists (with 1 immunity)

You also get a x4 weakness to u turn and both stabs are resisted by dark

[rough rapids]

imagine u-turn

[runic oak]

It needs a scarf, but you could fuse it with Raticate for boosted Hyper Fang. Better typing at least

[feral anchor]

and weak to fairy

the worst part

[rough rapids]

with pre evo it could have been cool, dazzlin is cool idea, fuse with jirachi water/steel simular to tangela to get like 500 in a stat

[vivid junco]

Im hyped for this 1. Will be a cool christmas tour

[unborn pine]

Me when if tour 👀
It's national dex

[urban prairie]

Merry Christmas, all the problems are here

[vivid junco]

im probs only gonna do if nat dex for awhile. Plus this 1 is funny

[urban prairie]

Roaring moon time

[hollow fern]

Is it too late to join the server?

tournament*

[odd kiln]

no

[hollow fern]

How do i Join?

[odd kiln]

go to the server and the lobby then click join on the tour

[hollow fern]

and then i wait?

[hollow fern]

First out

[mighty knot]

good night, day or whatever depending on your time zone

[sudden prawn]

Aw man, the rand bats sets I submitted aren't using the alt sprites I had selected

[viscid skiff]

any slyvoirn posters in chat

[fast blade]

Why are all these tournaments Natdex

[flat knoll]

if melmetal is unbanned, does that mean double iron bash is unbanned too

no right

[misty flume]

how does this work? like how do i fuse pokemon

nvm im dumb

[pure breach]

No

[flat knoll]

good

[odd kiln]

suspect testing

[misty flume]

does anyone play lf ag

[vivid junco]

Bc I don't like if dex that much

And bc suspect testing ubers for nat dex is fun

[lost galleon]

Because whoever is running the tournament gets to choose the format

[tiny wadi]

hey i havent used the simulator in a while

was it changed on how to fuse in the team builder?

[pure breach]

Hi! It depends on what the last one you used was. The fusion mechanics of this simulator haven’t changed. You still select a head and then a body to fuse with

[tiny wadi]

Ohh nvm its because the tier I had selected for the teams to be used in were updated

just had to refresh what meta's the teams were each being used in

@pure breach all good

[tiny wadi]

we need to get the tapus into the main game for the sole reason that i need psychihc terrain so i never have to see another god forsaken e speed or fake out

on my if ou teams

cause if i lose to a freaking khang dragonite again, im LITERRALY turning my laptop into a wristwatch

[odd kiln]

just run a steel

[tiny wadi]

IT. WAS. A. STEEL. MONOTYPE.

[odd kiln]

disastrous skill issue

how do you have 6 normal resists and still lose

[tiny wadi]

I DONT KNOW

all that matters is that my hand geniuenly hurts after smashing it into my laptop like 5 times

on a scale of 1-10 regarding how damn pissed i am as well as how frustrated i am that i cant seem to make a good team.... its somewhere in at least 6 digits

i am honest to god foaming at the mouth in pure fury about how i cant seem to make a consistantly good team

[odd kiln]

post it in #showdown-teambuilding

[tiny wadi]

at this point i feel like imma gonna get laughed at

plus i have 21 freaking teams. 18 type teams and 3 weather team (sun sand rain cause hail is useless outside of mono ice)

so there no way. id either get told there no reason to make mono teams or get laughed out cause of my horrible teammaking skills

[odd kiln]

i will help

[delicate gull]

Bro just said Hail useless outside of mono ice

[tiny wadi]

well yeah, kinda a no duh (unless your saying hail is useless even in mono ice)

[delicate gull]

Your throwing out even more disastrous takes

Nvm my mind is thinking about nd

[odd kiln]

epic fail

[delicate gull]

Your talking about dex

🐟

[tiny wadi]

look, i am not a competive battler, theres a reason i need so much help

[delicate gull]

If you aren’t talking about dex you have to be on crack

[delicate gull]

Where you talking bout dex or nd

Is the real question

[tiny wadi]

just IF OU, base dex

[delicate gull]

Okay hail is bad there but In ND snow is amazing because you have actual abusers

[tiny wadi]

yeah thats snow

[delicate gull]

In base ou just run stall if real 🌞

Or like Hymega hyper offense

What else good in base like sun and balance

[unborn pine]

if dex tour when

[unborn pine]

Every single time I've played against that I've ohkoed it before it could do anything

I guess people don't play it right

[opal fiber]

I just came back to this channel after a while

Why did they unban melmetal

[tribal trellis]

Double iron bash is banned

Melmetal is kind of a statstick rn

[opal fiber]

Fair enough

[glossy zealot]

do no guard + 1 ko moves work?

[fast blade]

No

[white oar]

missing 2 90% accurate moves in a row hurts my soul

[unborn pine]

use no guard /j

air slash is the move that always misses with 95 accuracy

[white oar]

i missed a draco meteor and an overheat

and they setup twice

and I was very sad

[low merlin]

they used to but no

[pure breach]

Play Rough is the move that always misses for me

Also Heat Wave and Icy Wind when playing VGC

Can’t ever land those it’s crazy

[mighty mortar]

whats the difference between the head and the body

[sudden prawn]

STATS
A Fusion's base stats are based on a weighted average of both halves, as follows:
(2/3)xBody + (1/3)xHead for Atk, Def, and Spd
(2/3)xHead + (1/3)xBody for HP, Sp.Atk, and Sp.Def
This means that a pokemon with high Atk, Def, and Spd will make a more effective body than head.

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/315275617899773952

[mighty mortar]

ty

[night ridge]

does anyone know why i cant fight my friend? it says hes offline but hes on

[pure breach]

Yo, are you sure they’re logged on?

Their name on the top right should have a colour to it

[white oar]

@ebon fiber but also

[ebon fiber]

its almost as bad as missing 3

[white oar]

eh when they had the balls to click ddance twice in front of it

that hurt my everything

[supple wave]

I feel you brother

[ruby current]

I didn't burn with 4 scalds and then got flinched 4 times in a row by a 20% flinch move

[fast blade]

Lucky guy!

[torn jay]

I've missed 4 blaze kicks in a row

[north relic]

Holy shit showdowns back

I missed it a lot

[simple elk]

Why does no one play the AG formats?

[sudden prawn]

The IF Gen 7 OU has cool custom sprites and less crazy shit

[odd kiln]

but ag has even more cool sprites

[delicate gull]

Hell on earth

That’s what if ag is

[spring tide]

Just started a showdown account so can't talk yet, anybody want to battle with their story team?

[simple elk]

Story team?

[spring tide]

Something you used mostly just to enjoy the game early on so the team used ain't likely to win the most competitive formats lol

Which unfortunately means my Noctgeot counts rip

[simple elk]

I'll battle you with the team I used on my first run through IF

Does that work?

[spring tide]

Sweet, 100's or the levels you beat the Elite Four with?

[simple elk]

100's

Give me a minute to actually make the team in Showdown

[spring tide]

Cool, same username on here over there as well

[simple elk]

Challenged you there

[simple elk]

At this rate, Sylveon is gonna end up in ubers

[torn jay]

Hally new years

[fast blade]

There's a lot of extra stuff available in showdown that's not available in game, using stuff that's only available in game is like a huge disadvantage lol

[spring tide]

Happy new years! (At least at my time zone lol)

[spring tide]

Maybe, but I found it neat to see what team folks did on their playthrough with what was available through the game.

[pure breach]

Only in NatDex

IF Dex only has the mons available ingame

[fast blade]

Not true. There are a lot of egg moves and tutor only moves that exist in showdown but the game. Obviously I'm not talking about Natdex

[fast elm]

the tutor only moves are available through the randomizer mode so technically obtainable in game :)

[pure breach]

For one. Secondly the moves were taken from the game files. Furthermore if we did remove everything you can’t get only in the most legitimate way in non-randomized runs, and eliminated egg moves, the mons would have a very very very shallow learnset, and it wouldn’t be much fun either. We were told we could deviate a bit from the games (we’ve tried our best not to), in order to foster an environment better suited for a competitive setting, for it to be fun and diverse, so even if the learnsets were inaccurate due to having moves that exist in the files, but are unobtainable legally in-game, it wouldn’t be the end of the world, as this lets us host a more diverse and competitive environment

[unborn pine]

So close

[sudden prawn]

Alright, so Cresselia is going to Ubers right?

I dread seeing Cresselia Stall

I don't think it's ever gone above UU in the main games

[pure breach]

My child will not be Ubers

I would sooner ban every mon enabling it than forsake my beloved moon duck thing

[sudden prawn]

Toxapex is a bad influence

[tiny wadi]

we do get a little bit silly at times

[odd kiln]

doubt

psychic is not good

[deft oasis]

I could see some CM + Stored Power sets for it when fused with something like Clef/Sylveon/Togekiss, but imo Cresselia itself is not crazy enough for an OU ban

[odd kiln]

clef obv the best option for mg/unaware

well maybe clef cress is hard to handle bc our physical attackers suck

manifesting a genuine physical attacker like drill or craw

[inner jasper]

Now why is it you say our Physical attackers suck? Not saying I wouldn't love crawd or drill but stat wise we have strong physical attackers like Metagross, t-tar, hax ect. Is it due to their typing/move pools?

[torn jay]

Might be move pools, considering it's based on gen 7?

[inner jasper]

This comes to mind as a counter

[torn jay]

What's are we countering?

[inner jasper]

Cresselia/Clefable

[odd kiln]

thats not a counter bc it gets chunked by +1 or even +0 moonblast

[odd kiln]

they dont actually break fat walls

[royal solstice]

Is it because of burn?

Does the meta punish physical attackers?

[odd kiln]

it punishes physical attackers by not giving them strong ability boosters

and also burn

most fat physdef waters can just spam scald and beat stuff like this

[white oar]

I know guts has issues but like man

they have strong ability boosters, but I'm assuming there's a problem somewhere

insufficient options? bad stats

idk

though physical walls are also just generally tougher because they dont really have to worry too much about hp, just defense , rather than spdef and hp

[odd kiln]

theres only guts

[white oar]

yeah but guts beats all of the problems you listed

so i'd assume there'd be a caveat

[odd kiln]

the caveat is you chip yourself

[white oar]

i'd much rather just go into the whole item slot thing

because most guts is flame orb

though that took me a minute to get

[odd kiln]

and also that ur usually slow so that requires team support to not get bodied by more offensive teams

[white oar]

i mean guts has issues with immediate power off of team members fainting and leads aswell

though speed is solvable to a degree

the chip is aggravating though

though one could touch on moves like boomburst, draco, overheat and the like having no real physical counter parts

so moveset wise physical is a bit starved

and physical demands the body slot for the big number thing so speed is much harder to get

just realized i ignored v-create

but that's like one move exclusively and im sleepy

[pure breach]

There’s good physical mons with good abilities, I think the main issue is walls. The way IF deals with stats when fusing favours specially offensive mons, and physically defensive mons.

Since you can split who gives the speed and spatk, and who gives the HP and Def, you can optimize these two positions much more efficiently than you can with the alternative options

[white oar]

no comment

[pure breach]

Actually I’ll rephrase the first sentence, I think there’s decent physical mons, just not as strong as special ones, whilst physical walls are much better than special ones

[white oar]

it's also apart of why physical is a touch tougher to make work

I think the comparison is best looked at through haxorus & chandelure

as in how many viable chandelure sets can you think of vs haxorus sets

they have very similar bulk and offensive stats

but one is significantly easier to build

oh yeah also porygon having adaptability and normal type is a not minor factor in why special hits big time

[odd kiln]

chandelure doesnt have many good sets though

[inner jasper]

Actually looking into the stats for Cresselia/Clefable it really isn't that great. It has better HP and speed then Clefable/Registeel but worse defense and same sp atk/sp def.

[tiny wadi]

look im not totally useless after all

[unborn pine]

i feel like lc could be a fun metagame

id assume stuff like diglett gastly and abra get insta banned

[feral beacon]

...demonic screeching

fusion allows for some of the most degenerate stall strats i've ever had the displeasure of fighting

[proud stump]

do many people play random battle?

also how do i get 104% accuracy

[odd kiln]

80% acc move with compound eyes

[odd kiln]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/862940088122867722/1192253422322319380/170432570918044026.gif?ex=65a86786&is=6595f286&hm=05da35a0d9582a109750656e135cc6f412dcad2bc09a1b6cbe21a1502c415250&

[proud stump]

holy....

is that just normal showdown?

[unborn pine]

it's also not possible

[odd kiln]

Its Possible

[unborn pine]

multiple trapping damaging moves at the same time

[unborn pine]

time to go into custom game and test funky stuff

what is even happening anymore

cacturne is bird normal type

[pure breach]

I think that

There shall be a lobby tour tonight

Anyone would like an IF OU tour in like 2ish hours?

[vivid junco]

Nah nat dex instead

[pure breach]

No

[vivid junco]

I will host 1 after yours possibly

or tomorrow

[pure breach]

Sounds good

[proud stump]

when does the tourney start?

[true wedge]

Man I had no idea Jynx got Quiver Dance, just got jumpscared out of bracket lmao

[inner jasper]

lol yeah some surpises from todays bracket. Thought I had counters for Spritops but it just went right through my walls. I was glad not as many stall teams were present. Made it a nice quick little tourney

[true wedge]

I'm honestly surprised I'd never run into it before now. I've played way too many games of this format lol

[fast blade]

What's a lobby tour

[odd kiln]

a tour in lobby

[fast blade]

What's spritops

[true wedge]

Spiritomb/Kabutops

[fast blade]

What does it do? Like why is it a threat you gotta be prepared for

[odd kiln]

it isnt

[opal fiber]

What the frick is this

(it says Raises Attack by 1 stage if hit by a sound move)

[odd kiln]

pet mod item

[opal fiber]

Why is it in PIF NatDex

[odd kiln]

accidental relic

[opal fiber]

(we should add it to this game)

[odd kiln]

its not legal anyway

[inner jasper]

Yeah I didn't mean to imply I had built something specific for it. More so that I thought my walls could handle it. But I was running a sand team and it hit everything for at least neutral. The player made the right move choices and I'm pretty sure I missed a Toxic on it.

The next battle it did nothing for them

but it had cut through a decent chunk of both my team and the team they faced before me

[unborn pine]

Looks like an item made by someone who really wanted meloetta to be viable

[jagged garden]

i don't understand

[inner jasper]

It's an issue on the servers side that effects some people. Yoshi has been pinged about it so waiting on them to fix it

[jagged garden]

ok thanks

[white dock]

this entire format is extremely overwhelming

what is shuckle doing in ubers????

[odd kiln]

so true

shuckle sucks

[white dock]

Who cooked?

[unborn pine]

at least it has webs and rocks

but it is still shuckle

80 attack is probably the highest you can get

and bug and rock are not good types

[odd kiln]

webs and rocks are a dime a dozen

you click 100 games of if dex ou 66 of them are gonna have some smarmy galv web setter even if its balance

[fast blade]

Seems like it would be a shitty mon

[feral anchor]

Contrary so op!! except for the part where its stuck on shitckle
Also fusing it with a pokemon with a high hp stat can happen
Same reason why chansey/blissey is banned

[white dock]

No guard kings rock population bomb

[unborn pine]

stench coil population bomb

or compound eyes kings rock

[fast elm]

2 of these are banned in ndou lmao

[white dock]

Playing ag

[odd kiln]

get shedinja’d

[runic oak]

That sounds really fun. Great alternative that also can't be stacked with Serene Grace so it's not as problematic as King's Rock. Could also use Loaded Dice for other moves in gen 9 OU

[white dock]

I still dont know why shuckle is uber since stance change seemingly doesn't work with it anyway? is it just because it has high defense ooga booga

[odd kiln]

it does

aegislash is uber though

[white dock]

Didn't work for me unless I just did it wrong

[odd kiln]

if you did it right itll say "(shuckle's stance change) shuckle entered its blade stance"

[white dock]

I did it wrong then

Do I need kings shield for stance change to work?

[odd kiln]

no thats just the way to reenter shield stance

regardless that set is so terrible in ag idek if it would be bannable in ou

[white dock]

I just think its funny

[placid hornet]

my beloved people

who is zarel

[odd kiln]

creator of showdown

[placid hornet]

genuenely asking

[placid hornet]

thank you

now imma proceed to add context and ask yall if u see this guy tell me coz i didnt figure out how to mute/ban people yet

[odd kiln]

click on name and the ignore button

[placid hornet]

bro

ban

ban

[odd kiln]

do you have the auth to ban ppl

[placid hornet]

it should

idk tho im not familiar with this roles

[odd kiln]

then its just /ban

[placid hornet]

ah

ty lad

[odd kiln]

np

[placid hornet]

[odd kiln]

why would they blame zarel for this

there wasnt even any hax in the game

[placid hornet]

ikr

i guess he thought my team was too much better than his even though i only used one pokemon

[odd kiln]

ig thats hax

but thats not even zarels fault thats just a randomizer

[placid hornet]

tbf i strongly believe his brain cant handle it

[odd kiln]

literally 1984

[placid hornet]

just locked em up for a week and the console shows all the names on their ip, some of them clearly show that he wasnt very clever

[odd kiln]

that would be everyone on the server wouldnt it

theres a reason why everyone is locked right now

[placid hornet]

wha

that didnt happen

[odd kiln]

lol

[placid hornet]

ok i know what happened

the sv thinks everyone has the same IP

so locking someone means locking everyone

[odd kiln]

yeah yoshi mentioned this in the pokeathlon server

[placid hornet]

my bad

[white dock]

oh so thats what happened

[placid hornet]

forgive me

how many people did i annoy

wait it already happened once heaehsheh

[white dock]

Don't sweat it

[placid hornet]

sry

[white dock]

I think I might actually be cooking

nvm I added explosion and its gonna be too tempting to click

ONLY TWO POKEMON LEARN STICKY WEB???

[odd kiln]

failure

its ok webs kinda blows anyway

[runic oak]

Galvantula ain't terrible, it's not Ribombee or Slurpuff, but it'll do. Compound Eyes Thunder provides some extra speed control with 30% para chance

[odd kiln]

its not exactly the fault of galv though its lack of offensive presence outside of thunder (just switch in ground) with no extra utility is depressing

its more the defensive options beating offensive options

[supple wave]

I came across a guy like that a while ago

this guy straight up told me to kys

I should proberly spoiler this it has slurs

[placid hornet]

i wish i could punish those people

agghhhh

i feel so impotent

[pure breach]

You should definitely let us know when these sort of things happen, as they are happening

[supple wave]

yea probably should have I just find it funny so It didn't cross my mind

funny as in they are idiots

[pure breach]

Definitely, but it’s still unacceptable behavior

[white oar]

oh yeah

I saw this type of shit in the lobby tour

was spectating the guy who I was about to play

for uh

yeah I was scouting

guy who lost said the f-slur

||totally didnt just get timed out because I forgor||

[unborn pine]

I don't know if that's a thing here but it would be interesting to see a (reverse) suspect test to see if it's ok to be in OU

As in allowing it in ou for a week and seeing what happens

[muted roost]

Bro couldn't cope

[unborn pine]

why am i banned from lobby?

or everyone except 3 people

who are probably mods

so i assume there's something being fixed

[vivid junco]

Lmao

Im a hoster

no idea why im alive

[pure breach]

sorry folks, should be all good now

[vivid junco]

Its in 60 minutes btw guys

[rough rapids]

had this happen yesterday after my tourney match first as well

[pure breach]

they got banned today

[unborn pine]

the fact they kept using the same insult makes me think they weren't just extremely salty but probably a troll instead

[white dock]

is there a filter for this or are they bypassing the filter somehow

[fast blade]

How do I beat shedinja???

[white dock]

status i presume

[mossy violet]

thats a very open question that i believe doesnt have really an answer

but i guess yea maybe status?

[odd kiln]

status, mold breaker, hazards

of course good shed teams build around it so theres bound to be a bouncer

[placid hornet]

how do we ban those people without bannin everyone

:(

[manic sand]

Anyone down to sub in a IF draft league? We had someone have to drop out

[mighty knot]

How to beat shedinja ?

• entry hazards
• super effective moves :
  • ghost/dark : fairy
  • ghost/normal : dark
  • bug/steel : fire
• status moves :
  • will'o'wisp
  • toxic (don't use if part steel fusion)
  • leech seed
  • curse with a ghost type
  • hail
• mold breaker pokémon
• confusion and hope it hit himself

[lost galleon]

PP stall it. Kill it with Iron Barbs, Rough Skin, or Rocky Helmet chip.

Drop a status sponge in front of it and watch it flail helplessly.

[astral yoke]

Any meta mons (IF dex only) here lacking a sprite and deserves one?

[unborn pine]

Curse is kind of funny

Nobody would expect it

[odd kiln]

it clicks endeavor shadow sneak and 2hkos you

[odd kiln]

do lanturn/pex or jynx/nidoking have sprites

[vivid junco]

@unborn pine Join the nat dex tour. its fun

[foggy sigil]

just a random team i made with the mascot mon being Kyotula
thoughts?

[wispy stump]

are we allowed to use double iron bash on malmetal in this tour?

[odd kiln]

no

[wispy stump]

thats sad

[astral yoke]

Doesn't seem like it. Are they meta ?

[odd kiln]

theyre a bit niche but i couldnt think of anything else

[astral yoke]

If u can't think of anything else, that's good. It means at the very least, in IF dex games, most fusions ppl use will have sprites

[odd kiln]

is there clefpex

thats one i forgot

[astral yoke]

yes

It was indexed just last week in the November spritepack

[odd kiln]

nice

does that mean its on daena

it is

[pure breach]

One of the Pex/Umbreon fusions doesn't have a sprite, same with Hitmontop/Umbreon and a few other Hitmontop fusions

they're not the most popular, but I have seen them sometimes

[odd kiln]

hitmontop umbreon 😬

[fast blade]

What's a good Grass fusion?

[odd kiln]

jirachitangrowth

[unborn pine]

what does jigrowth do except for slow u-turns?

Ive seen knock off and uturn

not sure what else it runs

ive seen assault vest as the item

[odd kiln]

iron head giga drain koff uturn

vest

[fast blade]

What would be a good sceptile fusion?

[pure breach]

Ampharos

[fast blade]

Damn but I've already got an electric on my team, I just need a good grass type and sceptile is cool

[odd kiln]

2 same types is nothing

ive ran 4 water types

[shadow arrow]

electric only has 1 weakness, so its pretty easy to not overlap type weaknesses if you want another one

[pure breach]

Any mon that could benefit from Unburden really, it’s the only thing the Sceptile is realistically providing

But yeah as they’re saying, it shouldn’t be a huge issue to have 2

[odd kiln]

ampharos is basically the only good one bc it gets broken setup move

otherwise unburden is too difficult to activate to be worth it

[shadow arrow]

sceptile has the benefit of power herb solar beam stab, even though its a wasted move slot after

[fast blade]

Well it's also really fast tho, I was thinking maybe PoryGonZ/Sceptile, that way you're fast and get the 33% boost to your STAB's, maybe make it a sun team and give it access to a spammable Solar Beam that's Adaptability boosted

[odd kiln]

worse poryz typh

[fast blade]

Yeah but like I don't need a fire type

[fast blade]

Okay then I'll just use ampharos then

[odd kiln]

you dont need a fire type on a sun team?

[fast blade]

Well I'm not sure if it's gonna be a sun team or not

And I'd already have at least one fire type in either case

[odd kiln]

its one of the best mons in sun

why would you pass it up for something 100% worse

[fast blade]

You'd run a scarf in that case?

[odd kiln]

probably

[inner jasper]

I've used Chandelure/Sceptile that's worked pretty well but with Flash Fire. Shadow Ball/Energy Ball/Flamethrower/Synthesis.

[deft oasis]

I've similarly used Flash Fire Chandelure + Celebi for Quiver Dance too, but I've found that the coverage is pretty bad (a perennial problem for Grass types due to its 7 offensive resists) and it lacks a lot of power especially with Shadow Ball being just 80 BP

[vivid junco]

@wispy ember are you online to dm at the moment. Im pretty sure you can help bc your a client mod status

[wispy ember]

Sure

[dark gulch]

heya i'm new to the showdown scene, i'm trying to figure out how to even get infinite fusion on showdown

nevermind i figured it out

[astral yoke]

Is Bruxish used much in IFOU? Its ability for anti-priority sounds like an interesting niche to deal with E-speed users
Not to mention access to Psychic Fangs to deal with screens

[tribal trellis]

people have tried but you have to use it as body to have any stats and for psychic fangs stab and it isn't doing much, like you don't even deal with the espeed mon most of the time cause it still gets you without priority, only niche it fills is to counter choice speed

which isn't too good

also it is in natdex so farigraf is doing the same thing but better

[vivid junco]

Only when azurill and huge power was unbanned

Me when instant 960 attack

[fast blade]

Wait it's allowed in IF OU already? It's not released in game yet to my knowledge

[fast blade]

It's also one of only two strongjaw users

[astral yoke]

I wouldn't know, i stopped playing showdown for quite awhile already

[inner jasper]

It has not been added yet, same with cresselia

[pure breach]

The mons revealed haven’t been added yet

I don’t believe they’re in IF yet either

[glossy zealot]

im doing 50 seaking heads, if someone needs a seaking head fusion sprite just call me

[manic sand]

Still looking btw

[pale sable]

hey

who wants to Frick around and play a roulette game on showdown?

[odd kiln]

Errm… Gambling Is Cringe

[pale sable]

bruh

nah nah nah

you basically get a random type generator. Then based on the type(s) you get, you pick a pokemon of that/those types then do it again until you have a full party

You gamble with types, not money

[supple wave]

wait it has light clay aurora vale without hail

[manic sand]

Optimal tbh tbh

[inner jasper]

For the tourney I'd support a water bubble ban.

[narrow rain]

ok question

the pokemon exclusive items say they don't exist but they do exist as recomendations for the pokemon they apply to (mantis claw for scyther, dancing shoes for meloetta, ect)

is that from somewhere else or is it just bugged?

[pure breach]

It shouldn’t be recommending them at all, what format are you building in?

Those weird items are from Joltemons, it’s a Smogon thing which is why it’s in this server too

[opal fiber]

Troll set lol mao

I should make a troll set one day

[narrow rain]

Nat dex ou

In the IF client thing

[pure breach]

That’s odd, thank you for letting me know

[hazy rampart]

are there plans to update the sprites on here with the ones from the latest spritepack?

[pure breach]

Ye

[opal fiber]

Are moves like Belly Drum allowed in RandBats sets (also when is the next RB set inclusion)

Cuz I have a really funny set I wanna make

(Emote related)

[odd kiln]

drum is banned in ou so why would it be allowed in randbats

[opal fiber]

Idk I see Ubers (like Zama C) in actual randbats so I assume some banned things are allowed

[glossy zealot]

what happen if a grass fusion have flower veil

[supple wave]

it will just use the effects on itself instead of just its partner it says on that it works on itself

[glossy zealot]

oh so it work on itself, good to know

[supple wave]

lol what this is meant to say bulbapedia says it works on itself did I just miss it out

[glossy zealot]

it says ally so i was not sure

[supple wave]

if its grass type in brackets

its just cause there are no official grass mons that get it

[tiny wadi]

what is the longest possible single turn

this is my best try at a longest turn

I should clarify by longest turn I mean most actions/text in one turn

[odd kiln]

one person crashed showdown server and forced shared power to be singles-only

[tiny wadi]

lmao

[surreal ivy]

Could you make that chain longer by maxing sp defense and dropping sp attack on both the Pokémon? Maybe use batton pass to set it up. Does dancer activate if you protect from the dance: if it does do you get an infinite loop in a double battle where both partners use Mat Block?

[stoic smelt]

i play a game where there are no abilities and i want to ask is there are any pokemon that can solo 1v1 with primal kyogre

[pure breach]

Depends on the exact nature of what you’re looking for

If by any you literally mean any

Also depends on the context, is it a raw 1v1? Is Tera allowed? You said abilities, what other restrictions exist?

Like most grass types would probably be able to do it, provided they OHKO and don’t die to ice beam

[opal fiber]

Ferrothorn strikes again

[vestal terrace]

i really like dragonite/aggron with quiver dance

[unborn pine]

65 spa compared to 130 atk?

[fast blade]

How's this relevant to infinite fusion

[stuck halo]

its abt showdown not infinite fusion 🤓

nah im kidding let a dude be curious tho

[vestal terrace]

regigigas/trevenant is stupid
harvest is so busted
also his sprites are based

[odd kiln]

sounds bad

walled by shed and imp

[surreal ivy]

Why regigigas instead of slaking?

[vestal terrace]

regigigas <-

[unborn pine]

i assume it has leech seed or willo

at least that is what trev used

though does trev actually get wisp?

[odd kiln]

then it gets finessed by bounce and chansey fusions

[vale light]

How do I make a showdown account?

[autumn topaz]

http://play.pokeathlon.com/

[vale light]

Thanks again

[frosty lotus]

hello, I would like to join the tournament but I don't speak English very well, I use a language translator.
suddenly I would like to join the tournament but I don't know how to make a team on infinite fusion showdown

[frosty quail]

What is Dex OU? Gen 9 OU?

[frosty quail]

http://play.pokeathlon.com/

Make a team like in pokemon showdown

[autumn topaz]

OU stands for OverUsed, basically the metagame

[frosty lotus]

ok, I'm going to create it, but I warn I'm super bad

[frosty quail]

No prob, noobs like us are allowed

[frosty lotus]

how can I merge the pokemon on the showdown?

[autumn topaz]

1. Choose a format
2. Choose a Pokémon (head)
3. Fusion box appears, insert second Pokémon here (body)

It's important to choose the format first

[frosty quail]

Srry queen @autumn topaz , could you make it clear for me? 💖

[unborn pine]

tour is too late again

[autumn topaz]

The baseline usage-based tier, a Pokémon is considered OU if a player has a better than 50% chance of seeing that Pokémon at least once over 15 battles.

In this case Dex (Only pokemon that can be found in the game)

[frosty quail]

Yeah, srry for the obvious question

[frosty quail]

After navegating inside what is allowed i understand it

Thanks you

[unborn pine]

tbh, i think there should be tier shifts

[frosty quail]

There are

[unborn pine]

regitrio wont get used ever, same for blaziken

and chandelure is used alot from what ive seen

+jolteon

+entei

[frosty lotus]

I joined the tournament, what should I do? my team is ready

[autumn topaz]

Wait for it to start

[frosty lotus]

How soon does it start?

[autumn topaz]

In about 20 min

[frosty lotus]

okay

[vivid junco]

Guys you should join the mega tour im hosting in an hour and 30 minutes

This tournament includes:
Added bans - Eternatus-Eternamax
Removed bans - urshifu, kingambit, roaring moon, espathra, zygarde, walking wake, ursaluna-bloodmoon, melmetal, Ogerpon-Hearthflame, aggron-mega, gallade-mega, sharpedo-mega, abomasnow-mega, absol-mega, audino-mega, banette-mega, gardevoir-mega, garchomp-mega, heracross-mega, houndoom-mega, latias-mega, latios-mega, manectric-mega, pidgeot-mega, slowbro-mega, steelix-mega, venusaur-mega, altaria-mega, camerupt-mega, charizard-mega-y, charizard-mega-x, glalie-mega, lopunny-mega, sableye-mega, tyranitar-mega

[inner jasper]

Busy then so can't. Idk where I would even start with adding Megas into fusions

How likely will there be more tournaments using them

[vivid junco]

and Im probs gonna do this semi often

[sturdy cradle]

how do megas work with fusions

since they're never allowed I need the explanation

[vivid junco]

You use 1 of the of the megable pokemon base put on its mega stone then mega evolve in battle im pretty sure

[sturdy cradle]

so it has to be the body correct

[fast blade]

Mega evolve after fusing?

[vivid junco]

yeah

Im too tired to explain. I jut built a team within 10 minutes and figured it out. Pretty easy

[vivid junco]

You able to join this 1 in 2 hours?

[inner jasper]

Nope, visiting family

[placid elm]

Is Pecharunt's Signature move going to be made legal soon? Pecharunt itself was legal last year but malignant chain isn't usable yet

Nat dex, of course

[pure breach]

should be

soonish

[fast blade]

What's the best way to abuse STAB ESpeed from DragoKing?

[inner jasper]

Dragonite/Slaking?

[fast blade]

I mean I was thinking obviously MultiScale+Espeed, but also I was gonna run a Dragon STAB, Dragon Dance and Roost. But then my coverage sucks with just Normal/Dragon and I don't need speed really if I'm gonna be using Espeed. So maybe I was thinking like Bulk Up+Earthquake

[fast blade]

Yeah

[fast blade]

Bulk UP because it's Hella bulky with Multiscale and I don't need speed with espeed. And Earthquake because as the only other attacking move, I need something to hit Normal's Rock/Steel resists

[odd kiln]

walled by shed

and every giratina fusion

[fast blade]

Okay but given that I'm using it what would be the best way to use it

[odd kiln]

it doesnt seem worth using

[odd kiln]

https://youtu.be/b4NV6yyYbKg?si=AlTAfN1vMvnjPK1X

[tiny wadi]

well gg sir

[odd kiln]

that wasnt me that was the person who crashed the showdown server

[pure breach]

EQ sounds reasonable I think

Or shadow claw, helps you hit the ghosties much better and you can still hit steel for neutral which should be decent damage after a few BUs

[tiny wadi]

oh lmao

[elder coral]

hey, is eternatus-eternamax supposed to be legal?

this is IF National Dex OU

[pure breach]

Nope

Will be fixed in the next update

[broken fable]

When is pecharunt getting added

I wanna use it in nat dex

[pure breach]

hopefully will be merging with Showdown before we push the update, need to talk to Yoshi

[sturdy cradle]

damn yall freed Darkrai/Espathra/Gambit/Melm and ppl are using all 4 on a team

[odd kiln]

you can already use it in natdex

[broken fable]

Says un released

[odd kiln]

you can still use it

just only as body iirc

[broken fable]

bs

tryna run a ting lu set

[odd kiln]

mustve gotten updated then

[heady grove]

anyone know how to make a no rules on the showdown

says stuff is illagel

[sturdy cradle]

Play AG

[opal fiber]

Has showdown been updated yet

[sturdy cradle]

In what sense?

[opal fiber]

Has Eternamax been banned yet

[sturdy cradle]

I believe so, since they dropped down 5 mons today

Didn’t see Emax on ladder either

[vivid junco]

Yes

[weary prawn]

[mortal bridge]

Sorry, if this gets asked all the time, but where are the OU and Natdex banlists? I’d love to see it all in one place rather than just finding things in the team builder

[sturdy cradle]

do /tier gen7ifdexou and gen9ifnationaldex ou

[mortal bridge]

On pokelathon?

[sturdy cradle]

yes

[mortal bridge]

i'd be lying if i said that didnt take me a long time to figure out

[placid elm]

The tiers are a little

Off, rn

[true fiber]

I really wish there was a Little Cup tier

[vivid junco]

Make the tier with bans and stuff and its possible it might get added

Atleast I could host a tour for it probably

[broken fable]

Any idea when this is gonna happen?

Would love this metagame more mainstream

[pure breach]

happened a few hours ago

[lethal lynx]

btw what combined with alakazam made it banned?

im assuming its magic guard that made it bannable

[broken fable]

Yeah