#showdown-general

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wooden marsh
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That looks so good!

odd kiln
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yoooooooo

hearty bramble
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What is pif showdown?

vast jolt
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showdown with fusions

hollow comet
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what is IF Revelationmons and IF Literally 1984?

floral blaze
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how to fix the missing sprites?

wooden marsh
wooden marsh
floral blaze
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like zekrom and tyrantrum

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I can't find the Godzilla's sprite

wooden marsh
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it's right there

astral yoke
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Knocking it off your bounty

wooden marsh
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hell yeah that's so nice

odd kiln
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sick

tidal whale
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I might’ve made the most slop team ever

queen berry
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Diancie + sulfura

placid cove
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Power of Gluttony

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Greedent + Harvest

gentle halo
odd kiln
dull plaza
ivory helm
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I wanna battle

modern crest
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is there a way when challanging a friend to choose on wich map you fight?

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or what kind of music plays in the background?

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maybe with custom rules or other commands

vast jolt
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idts

gilded quarry
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do we have a rule to showdown

wooden marsh
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what do you mean?

frigid vale
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Ala/ectrode is annoying as hell to play against my god

vast jolt
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run toxitar

frigid vale
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Just played it

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not that special

deep verge
manic trail
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how come my elo was reset to 0? is it because i haven't played in a while?

vast jolt
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in ranbats?

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it was reset a while back

manic trail
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oh

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why?

vast jolt
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idk

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it's a dumb format anyway Quagless

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zero skill all praying to dialga that you get webs and rocks and quiver dance

manic trail
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yeah but i just wanna click stuff

vast jolt
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you can click more on the teambuilder heehee

manic trail
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sounds hard

vast jolt
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perhaps

deep verge
manic trail
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yep it's on the second monitor

sage pebble
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is it normal that leech seed doesnt stop the opponent from switching pokemon?

dull plaza
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Yes

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It doesn’t prevent them from switching at all

sage pebble
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well in the description it does tho

dull plaza
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No it does not

sage pebble
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and same for spirit shackle

dull plaza
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Spirit Shackle does trap tho

dull plaza
sage pebble
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tho i used it and next turn the opponent switched pokemon

dull plaza
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I do not see that at all

dull plaza
sage pebble
dull plaza
dull plaza
sage pebble
sage pebble
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nevermind im extremly blind

dull plaza
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The seeded Pokémon can clear leech seed by switching out or using rapid spin

sage pebble
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yeah i just realised

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but tho for spirit shackle its still true

dull plaza
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That does trap

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If they use a move that switches them out like u-turn they also can switch

sage pebble
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but maybe it was a bug that have been fix, ill try a random fight

sage pebble
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anyone is down for a battle?

solar crag
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Anyone have the link for this site?

wooden marsh
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It's also in the channel's description 😄

solar crag
vestal tendon
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Is there a way to play against other people?

vast jolt
vestal tendon
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I tried it out and its hella inacurate

wooden marsh
sage pebble
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is it me or theres not much player in AG?

wooden marsh
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yeah AG is quite rare to find people in

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most players prefer OU, NatDex OU, or 2 Abilities

sage pebble
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sad

vestal tendon
wooden marsh
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Oh I thought that had been patched by now, unfortunately if we replicated that we wouldn't be much different from balanced hackmons

sage pebble
vestal tendon
sage pebble
dull plaza
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No it shouldn’t because having everything have everything is not balanced or cool

sage pebble
odd kiln
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we follow whatever intended mechanic exists in the game so thats not possible

sage pebble
limber rose
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Why would you be able to just to that?

sage pebble
limber rose
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and recover

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and boomburst

sage pebble
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it was...a random idea, not a plan you know

limber rose
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yeah and I presented a problem with it

sage pebble
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i feel like you're taking this way too seriously

limber rose
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I don't care bro😭

sage pebble
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cool then

shadow drum
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hello guys

vast jolt
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if balanced hackmons when

sage pebble
shadow drum
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oh thany you for respond me am new of the serve can you explain what we do here

sage pebble
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its....a discord server, look at which channel and also read the rule, then talk with people i suppose?

shadow drum
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ok

silent ginkgo
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Anyone wanna play some Ou?

long isle
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chat where do i find the top used pokemon records :>

long isle
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tyyy

manic steppe
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👋 Hello! I come from the spriting side of the server. We (or at least I) noticed the showdown announcement and we're curious what makes these fusions so neat competitively
the non-fully-evolved togetic and the rhydon/xatu, for a couple stare

dull plaza
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Togetic/Cofagrigus: NFE again for the Eviolite boost, mummy is a good way to punish stuff like Ursanite who is absurdly strong in the tier rn and with the ghost/fairy typing means it is immune to espeed and facade while being neutral to its main coverage in crunch and earthquake. Cofagrigus also has good special attack so it can use Moonblast and/or hex and not be a passive mon. Also has heal bell to cure team status conditions along with toxic and will-o-wisp which are great tools. Someone also won an IF tour with this fusion so that also helped its popularity.

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some tldr: Eviolite is a very good item in fusions for defensive pokemon so using NFE pokemon like them and Dusclops is very good

manic steppe
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'twas on a PIF fun, not showdown, though

dull plaza
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It was a IF singles tour so no follow me

manic steppe
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mine was 3v3 mono-Ghost in PIF, so not showdown :nodnod:

dull plaza
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Ah got it

odd kiln
# manic steppe 👋 Hello! I come from the spriting side of the server. We (or at least I) notice...

entei/tangrowth: fire/grass is a really good offensive typing since it hits steel and water respectively, which are very good defensive typings; regenerator allows it to mitigate chip damage from hazards and toxic
hydreigon/meloettap: meloettap gives high atk/spe in general, hydreigon adds hustle which is a big boost to its physical attacks
latias/probopass: dragon/steel with levitate is a great specially defensive typing especially to nidoking fusions which are almost all ground
slowbro/diancie: similar to slowking/diancie, water/fairy is a very good typing and regenerator is one of the best defensive abilities to have
tangrowth/meloettap: meloettap with regenerator
yanmega/meloettap: meloettap with tinted lens and stab uturn

entei/haxorus: high atk/spe with mold breaker to bypass unaware, which would ignore its dragon dance boosts
meloetta/toxapex: high mixed bulk with regenerator and uturn
magnezone/entei: gets access to magnet pull, which allows it to trap steel-types and eliminate them with stab eruption
machamp/golisopod: high atk with guts, which boosts its atk while ignoring burn from walls
mew/hawlucha: one of the fastest mold breaker hazard setters, which allows it to set them while bypassing magic bounce
metagross/meloettap: gets access to stab serene grace iron head/meteor mash, which has a 60% to flinch/40% to raise atk respectively

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magnezone/meloettap: meloettap with magnet pull
porygon2/golisopod: pretty good bulk with analytic, which boosts power when moving last, along with low spe which means it almost always moves last
rhydon/xatu: covered by soup
feraligatr/genesect: water/steel with sheer force dragon dance, which allows it to do some damage
ferrothorn/celebi: pretty much ferrothorn with recovery and uturn
kangaskhan/meloettap: meloettap with scrappy which allows it to bypass ghosts
kyurem/greninja: gets access to protean + wide coverage in its moves like earth power, ice beam, hydro pump, and gunk shot, along with hazards in spikes and pivoting in uturn
moltres/diancie: fire/fairy allows it to wall entei/meloettap, and gets access to stealth rock, defog, and uturn
skarmory/tangela: decent bulk with regenerator and spikes/stealth rock
togetic/cofagrigus: covered by soup

jynx/nidoking: had access to quiver dance and sheer force which made it extremely strong (quiver dance was banned)
tyranitar/tangrowth: rock/grass is a decent defensive typing especially with sand stream and tangrowth gives it knock off/leech seed (sand stream was banned)
aggron/zapdos: had access to quiver dance and electrify + lightning rod which allowed it to setup and then invalidate certain pokemon by making their moves all electric (quiver dance and electrify were banned)

vast jolt
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<@&306953740651462656> ice em

unborn pine
wooden marsh
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mummy against regenerators is quite fun

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ah I read walls at first lol

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both are nice!

manic steppe
woeful kraken
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Hi, I haven't done competitive Pokemon since a brief period where I was playing Gen 7 Monotype shortly after USUM came out; what's the barrier to entry like for someone pretty inexperienced with competitive in general?

wooden marsh
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It is quite steep but it's a fun learning process!

sly elk
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HI NERDS

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why is that gliscor fusion at the top?

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i wanna learn this shit but i am BRAND NEW to competitive pokemon

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i understand the basics but i am not good at teambuilding

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WOW

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THAT WAS HILARIOUS

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A FUCKIN HACKED PERSON JUST GOT AUTOMODDED IN FRONT OF MY EYES

manic trail
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it's crazy how many of those scam bot posts this server gets

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like 10 every hour

sly elk
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ive seen servers that get so many

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tbf some of them arent scam bots theyre just people who got hacked but

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anyways why is that gliscor fusion so strong?

wooden marsh
sly elk
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does yanetta still not have a sprite?

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OOOO CLEFBLADE

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wait

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why is it clefblade and not clefslash?

manic trail
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eviolite

sly elk
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OH

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hell yeah

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oof i wanna learn this BADLY

wooden marsh
sly elk
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ugh i should register to become a spriter so i can make that shit

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i like making sprites

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i worked on making some honedge sprites at some point because the honedge line is my favorite

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but then i never finished em

wooden marsh
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You can actually make sprites even before you become a spriter! You can just leave them for another spriter to pick them up and they'll upload them, perhaps with a few changes if they deem it necessary (you still get credit)

dull plaza
wooden marsh
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Ah knew I was mixing something up, been a while haha

sly elk
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I

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just had a thought

sly elk
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I DIDNT KNOW THAT

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alsoalso

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i had a thought

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couldnt you do a pledge build and make the swamp for speed control and have a really strong team?

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that or like, a rainbow build with crazy flinch chance rock slides or crazy omniboosts with ancientpower

dull plaza
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Only in doubles since you have to do both at once and they can be blocked by protect and require starter fusions that it isn’t worth it

sly elk
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it would only work in doubles yes, but them being blocked by protect isnt a big deal since only one pokemonhas to be particularly fast

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the second pledge always happens right after the first regardless of the second pokemon's speed stat

dull plaza
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Also I know how pledges work

sly elk
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true it is, but it wouldn't work twice in a row (probably) and theyd have to correctly guess which pokemon i use it into or double protect

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plus i dont think anyone would expect a pledge build

dull plaza
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If you need speed control tailwind is just better

sly elk
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yeah true

dull plaza
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Or trick room

sly elk
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but also imagine a rainbow terrain serene grace jirachi (i think jirachi has serene?) with ancient power and something with crazy flinch chance

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dont get me wrong

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it has flaws

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i am aware

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but wouldn't that be a cool team?

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:D

dull plaza
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No it wouldn’t since it’s extremely gimmicky and rarely gonna work with a faster setting like doubles

sly elk
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yes but it wouldnt be the only thing the team is good at

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im not stupid it wouldnt just be a team built entirely around that

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jeez

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making me remember why i dont play competitive pokemon much

dull plaza
sly elk
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it's two moves and two dedicated pokemon out of twelve. they wouldn't even need to be brought on every fight (assuming its like vgc with four pokemon picked out of your team of 6)

dull plaza
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If it’s like VGC then not being able to reliably bring 2 of your 6 into any matchup where pledges aren’t a good strat is not good at all. And if it is pledges, it is easy to read since you have starters

sly elk
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but who the fuck would expect pledge moves, and also 2 out of 6 can be for specific scenarios. all it takes is a bit of analyzing

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jesus

dull plaza
sly elk
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yes its a gimmick. but it's an interesting gimmick that could work if given enough care i think

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it'd just take some think thunkin

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anyways imma work on this sprite

dull plaza
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If that were true than it would be a popular meta strat but that isn’t the case

sly elk
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no???

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because theres literally like 300something THOUSAND options?????

dull plaza
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Exactly. There are 300something thousand other better options you can use.

sly elk
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nah go fuck yourself honestly

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like

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come on man

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you do not need to be this toxic about this silly little concept

dull plaza
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How am I being toxic? I am brining up valid counterpoints to your claims

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It’s not my fault if you don’t like them.

sly elk
dull plaza
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I am using your claim that you stated for my argument

sly elk
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you were just being rude about it at first, but that was toxic.

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there were 300something thousand better ways you could have said that.

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But you chose to be rude about it.

dull plaza
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I’m not attacking you at all, just the claim that pledges can be good.

sly elk
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dude, they can be good, under certain conditions.

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I'm not saying they're some miracle power.

dull plaza
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Dude, please stop overreacting. Sometimes people disagree with your statements but you shouldn’t get this emotionally upset about it.

sly elk
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you're the one who's being rude????

dull plaza
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The first notice of someone being rude was when you said to me to go fuck myself.

sly elk
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i just came in here with "hey wouldnt this be a neat thing to add to a team? :D" and you went "no. no it wouldn't." in like the most rude way possible??

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you specifically spun my words around on me just to tell me my idea was shit. that's called being rude, dude.

dull plaza
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How is it rude?

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You are taking stuff too personally

sly elk
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ya know what?

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drop it.

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I'm done talking to you

dull plaza
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Then stop talking if you’re done instead of continuing the pointless argument.

sly elk
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I'm going to work on my sprite and hope I do not have to talk to you again

dull plaza
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Cool

sly elk
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anyways

sage pebble
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yeah ngl soul has the point to my opinion here, sure he talk a bit rudely but as someone with also a strong language i can get that, soup you were very unflexible specialy for just two move, you could have been like "well its not perfect but i guess you can still at least try it" but you were pretty cold and really sticked to the "no it wont work"

sly elk
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thank you

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it just stressed me out really bad. i dont know why

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something about it reminds me of how people used to treat my ideas as stupid and impossible.

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i got the idea of using the pledges at all from Wolfe Glick

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because i saw his videos about the starter only team and was like "huh i wonder if you could get pledges to work in IF"

sage pebble
# sly elk thank you

tho dont get me wrong, you have a way too much of a strong language, you should try to lower that a bit, but you wasnt exactly full at fault anyway

sly elk
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true i do i will do my best to relax

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im extra stressed now though because i got a warn :(

sage pebble
sly elk
sage pebble
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also here is general, not teambuild (not accusing, just an advice)

sly elk
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which is because of the people

sage pebble
sly elk
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(true i wasnt even thinking of teambuilding it it was just meant to be a 'huh i wonder if anyone could make that work'

sage pebble
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i call it "f*** around and find out" thats what i do and it (kinda??) work

sly elk
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exactly /silly

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i just dont have enough competitive pokemon knowledge to see if i could make it work

sage pebble
sage pebble
sly elk
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true i do need to play some more

odd kiln
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soups right in that pledges are niche but i have seen someone i know make it work in vgc so it could be plausible here

sage pebble
sly elk
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thatd be fun :D

sly elk
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i knew they were niche in the first place

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i was just thinking that it'd be more reasonable in Infinite Fusion

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since yknow. way more freedom

odd kiln
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something like grass pledge chlorophyll venusaur fusion and fire pledge cheninphox in sun idk

sly elk
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YEAHHHHHH

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or like

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serene grace fusion with a fire mon with something that flinches and a fire pledge plus marshtomp water pledge with ancientpower

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something like that

odd kiln
odd kiln
sly elk
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doesn't it???

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last i saw it did!

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ive seen someone do a build with serene grace rainbow ancient power jirachi!

odd kiln
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oh nvm it does work with serene grace just not with flinching

sly elk
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i think it was jirachi

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ohhhhh

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thats good to know actually that it doesnt work with flinch

odd kiln
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seems pretty inconsistent though id probably use rainbow with serene grace discharge to paralyze everything

sly elk
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ooh now THATs a fun combo

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i do agree that ancient power isn't super consistent but 40% chance for omniboosts is still pretty strong

odd kiln
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plausible

sage pebble
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hey soul wanna see my team?

sly elk
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yessss

sage pebble
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i have honestly no idea how good it is (or bad) but here it is

sly elk
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god's corpse is crazy

sage pebble
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i know right lol

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spirit shackle is brutal on him

sly elk
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what is spirit shackle?????

sage pebble
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except that i dont know if its still bugged because before it allowed opponent to still switch

sage pebble
sly elk
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O H

sage pebble
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its ghost type and have 90 of power and i think 100% accuracy

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spirit shackle is the equivalent of "get f***"

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if they dont got a dark type attack, they cant switch and cant attack either

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which mean free kill

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alot of fun hehe

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if i dont get one shot of course....

odd kiln
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you should probably run sash on it to not get one shot

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and protect to see if the opponent has a dark move or status

sage pebble
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i like to live dangerously hehehehe

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either it get one shot or carry the whole fight itself, thats the beauty of him, the DEFINITION of a true glass cannon

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but even in the case he get one shot, look up my Nightmare

odd kiln
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id miss every hypnosis

sage pebble
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oh i miss half of them

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but Dream Eater and Soft-Boiled ya know

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useless they got a fighting type, its over and if they do i can switch for God's Corpse

odd kiln
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i run stuff like magic bounce and natural cure chansey for sleep users yeah

sly elk
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OH

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I JUST HAD A THOUGHT.

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LAPRAS WITH NO GUARD AND SHEER COLD.

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YOU CAN DO IT IN DEFAULT WITH SKILL SWAP.

odd kiln
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if actually hardcodes no guard and ohko moves to not interact anymore

sly elk
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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i mean thats fair

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but like

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damn

sage pebble
# sly elk damn

yeah BUT, theres a move i forgot the name of but if used the next move is SURE to hit, which mean on a tanky enough pokemon you can one shot ANY pokemon within two turn

odd kiln
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mind reader

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or lock on

sage pebble
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and it DOES work with ohko moves

odd kiln
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opponent usually switches out of it though

sage pebble
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no idea which one, probably one of them!

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true but you can keep going until he has to stop switching

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lets say you keep doing it, at some point at least if he never stop, you fully know his team

odd kiln
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main problem is on the turn you use lockon the opponent can attack and considering the mons who know ohko moves are not very bulky itll probably force you out

sly elk
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you could also perish trap with spirit shackle theoretically

odd kiln
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perish song is alright but youd probably use arena trap/shadow tag so you dont have to use spirit shackle

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like this

sage pebble
odd kiln
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shadow tag doesnt trap yourself

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only traps the opponent

sly elk
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well yeah but the opponent is no longer trapped if the shadow tag leaves?

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i think

odd kiln
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you swap out on the turn both of you are about to die so theyre not able to switch out that turn

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unless they have a pivoting move

sage pebble
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ooooh true, didnt though about that

sage pebble
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hey soul wanna try to do a fight?

sly elk
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id have to make a team for that /silly

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but i would love to

vast jolt
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types from other fangames

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they do not exist in if

sly elk
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ahhh

dull plaza
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Isn’t this the first month where unfused Pokemon made it to usage stats

odd kiln
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i believe

dull plaza
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Why is base Magnezone so high? I know you said people who used unfused mons battled a lot but I don’t think that accounts for it specifically being so much higher than the rest.

odd kiln
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two players who probably both used zone

wooden marsh
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Iirc Scizor and Aegislash

unborn pine
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people use unfused mons?

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why heehee

wooden marsh
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It's just one person actually

dull plaza
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The only unfused mon that’s actually good to use is Necrozma since you can ultra it

wooden marsh
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Honestly base genesect also has some use

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Can't preserve its typing without lessening its stats unfortunately

sly elk
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Hahaha.

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That really does just happen every 10 minutes, huh?

twilit trout
sage pebble
sly elk
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Scambots.

sage pebble
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oh i see

sage pebble
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hey @sly elk wanna fight?

sly elk
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I still haven't set that team up, lol. I have a part of it finished though.

sage pebble
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oooh nice, i got one that i needed to test lol

sage pebble
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anyone wanna 1v1?

obtuse shoal
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ok I just checked usage status
Magmortar galvantula? more popular than zam electrode?

dull plaza
obtuse shoal
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oh hey, registeel moltres appeared, I'm satisfied

wooden marsh
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Kanga Dragonite seems fun tbh, very reliable prio

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Mathematically, you could argue that silk scarf fake out + espeed is the same as cb pixilate espeed, with the exception of hitting poison types but not rock types

odd kiln
obtuse shoal
odd kiln
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scarf fakespeed being two turns makes it not really arguable

obtuse shoal
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What about this in case they have mag?

odd kiln
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that doesnt look very good

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id rather use rhyscor

obtuse shoal
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I also hate stealth rock btw

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I guess they didn't want Beautifly ruining the whole game

urban agate
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How do i get espeed dragonite in this Game? :'c

void shadow
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hello everyone

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just a guy saying hi

odd kiln
sage pebble
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does anyone wanna fight in AG?

sage pebble
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crazy wind out there

wheat canyon
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I tried to find what it was but couldn't at all

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I wanted to organize a tournament with this format in pokemon showdown between my friend group, for context

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but I don't know what format this is

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and don't know if showdown has it

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;p

dull plaza
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Says it at the top btw

wheat canyon
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😭

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I'm dumb fr fr

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do u know if showdown has it?

dull plaza
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It should

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Damn nevermind I guess they removed it

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No that’s actually insane they removed Reg H from builder tf are they thinking

dull plaza
wheat canyon
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and it's double battles right?

dull plaza
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VGC doubles yes

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Bring 6, pick 4

sage pebble
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is there usualy more people in Uber or AG?

sage pebble
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waiting a full hour to never fight, god i feel like nobody play uber or ag at all-

odd kiln
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most ppl play ou yeah

sage pebble
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and it make me sad

sage pebble
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it been like almost a full on month i wanna test a team and i got nobody to test it agains

vast jolt
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why does smeargle get veevee volley and pika papow

dull plaza
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Because movesets are Gen 7 + IF additions and not just their actual IF movesets

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Something I’ve complained about a lot already

molten mason
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Hello! I was checking some calcs for a fight coming up
Can anyone who knows how damage calcs are done explain why this is a garanteed 2HKO?
(Ignore the two physical moves on a special set lol, was testin stuff)

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even more interesting tbh

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Ok sorry for spamming but yea there is something wrong for sure
probably a problem on my hand tbh

wooden marsh
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usually this happens when the current HP has changed in the calculator

molten mason
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oh...
why does this happen automatically when I change base statssss

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thx

wooden marsh
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specifically, if you change the fusion it sometimes keeps the old fusion's current hp

molten mason
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btw, There is no real way to get fusions on here right? until now I just copied base stats and typing onto a blank set

wooden marsh
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oh wait I just realized you're using the official showdown one

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it's specifically for fusions

obtuse shoal
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i wonder if people use any other electric move except volt switch

wooden marsh
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thunder wave lol

vast jolt
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thunderbolt

tight dagger
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Where do I install infinite fusion

quiet sapphire
dull plaza
coral fog
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Guys

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Where can I find Goomy in Infinite Fusion?

dull plaza
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This chat is for showdown only. Go to #playthrough-talk for help

eternal dragon
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yo

raven flower
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Gurt:

sage pebble
eternal dragon
sage pebble
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how you wanna do it?

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guess we arent doing it then-

sour gazelle
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can we use triple fusion

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on showdown

pure breach
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the triple fusions exist as stand alone pokemon, but you can't triple fuse any three pokemon

topaz panther
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Any of yall good at team building and the competitive side of things able to help me out? Need some help building and potentially a mock battle

sour gazelle
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uh

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so

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uh

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uh

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uhhh what do i wanna say