#showdown-general
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yoooooooo
What is pif showdown?
showdown with fusions
what is IF Revelationmons and IF Literally 1984?
how to fix the missing sprites?
they are game modes that were made for tournaments, specifically for these: #showdown-announcements message & #showdown-announcements message
could you elaborate? what missing sprites need to be fixed?
uhh,there are many of them
like zekrom and tyrantrum
I can't find the Godzilla's sprite
it's right there
Knocking it off your bounty
hell yeah that's so nice
sick
I might’ve made the most slop team ever
Diancie + sulfura
might take a crack at making machamp/golisopod https://discordapp.com/channels/302153478556352513/1174175526773080094/1491535646869815328

#gameplay-help , this chat is for showdown only
I wanna battle
is there a way when challanging a friend to choose on wich map you fight?
or what kind of music plays in the background?
maybe with custom rules or other commands
idts
do we have a rule to showdown
what do you mean?
we've got the https://play.pokeathlon.com website, but nothing in the showdown website
Ala/ectrode is annoying as hell to play against my god
run toxitar
how come my elo was reset to 0? is it because i haven't played in a while?
idk
it's a dumb format anyway 
zero skill all praying to dialga that you get webs and rocks and quiver dance
yeah but i just wanna click stuff
you can click more on the teambuilder 
sounds hard
perhaps
Just play cookie clicker✌️
yep it's on the second monitor
is it normal that leech seed doesnt stop the opponent from switching pokemon?
well in the description it does tho
No it does not
and same for spirit shackle
Spirit Shackle does trap tho
Where in the description does leech seed say it traps the opponent
tho i used it and next turn the opponent switched pokemon
I do not see that at all
Were they a ghost type pokemon that you tried to trap?
nope, a kyogre/azumaril if i remember right
also here?
That does not say it traps the target anywhere
Share replay
its been few week but i forgot about it so no idea how to find it back
yes, third paragraphe, last phrase
nevermind im extremly blind
The seeded Pokémon can clear leech seed by switching out or using rapid spin
That does trap
If they use a move that switches them out like u-turn they also can switch
but maybe it was a bug that have been fix, ill try a random fight
oooh i didnt know, maybe that was the case? cant be sure
anyone is down for a battle?
Anyone have the link for this site?
Sure thing! https://play.pokeathlon.com/
It's also in the channel's description 😄
Thank you, i couldn't find the description bit!
Is there a way to play against other people?
I tried it out and its hella inacurate
in what way?
is it me or theres not much player in AG?
yeah AG is quite rare to find people in
most players prefer OU, NatDex OU, or 2 Abilities
sad
in the actual game you can transfer any move or ability from pokemon to pokemon using fuse/unfuse mechanics
Oh I thought that had been patched by now, unfortunately if we replicated that we wouldn't be much different from balanced hackmons
it make sense, tho it still is really funny, also im still not sure if its a feature or simply a glitch, either way i aint complaining about it
Yeah... there are some really funny combos you can make by putting any ability on any pokemon
It’s very much a glitch
ah, well its the best glitch theres is, should become a feature hehe
No it shouldn’t because having everything have everything is not balanced or cool
i mean, theres no need to make everything have everything, like for exemple it could be "nerf" by only being able to learn from their own type, and im of course talking about the game, not in showdown obviously
we follow whatever intended mechanic exists in the game so thats not possible
okay but nothing really stop them from implementing it in the real game, i never said it HAD to be there, just that it would be cool to goes from glitch to actual mechanic
Atp just debug it in
Why would you be able to just to that?
what do you mean?
why would just every normal type have parting shot
and recover
and boomburst
it was...a random idea, not a plan you know
yeah and I presented a problem with it
i feel like you're taking this way too seriously
I don't care bro😭
cool then
hello guys
if balanced hackmons when
hello 
oh thany you for respond me am new of the serve can you explain what we do here
its....a discord server, look at which channel and also read the rule, then talk with people i suppose?
ok
Anyone wanna play some Ou?
chat where do i find the top used pokemon records :>
tyyy
👋 Hello! I come from the spriting side of the server. We (or at least I) noticed the showdown announcement and we're curious what makes these fusions so neat competitively
the non-fully-evolved togetic and the rhydon/xatu, for a couple 
Rhydon/Xatu: Ground/Flying, while outside of the 4x ice weakness, is a very good type combo (see base game landorus an Gliscor)
Magic Bounce is a really good ability to deny hazards and toxics being thrown around and rhydon > rhyperior for Eviolite
Togetic/Cofagrigus: NFE again for the Eviolite boost, mummy is a good way to punish stuff like Ursanite who is absurdly strong in the tier rn and with the ghost/fairy typing means it is immune to espeed and facade while being neutral to its main coverage in crunch and earthquake. Cofagrigus also has good special attack so it can use Moonblast and/or hex and not be a passive mon. Also has heal bell to cure team status conditions along with toxic and will-o-wisp which are great tools. Someone also won an IF tour with this fusion so that also helped its popularity.
some tldr: Eviolite is a very good item in fusions for defensive pokemon so using NFE pokemon like them and Dusclops is very good
i remember having fun with 🤔 was it Follow Me Mummy togekiss/cofagrigus?
'twas on a PIF fun, not showdown, though
It was a IF singles tour so no follow me
mine was 3v3 mono-Ghost in PIF, so not showdown :nodnod:
Ah got it
entei/tangrowth: fire/grass is a really good offensive typing since it hits steel and water respectively, which are very good defensive typings; regenerator allows it to mitigate chip damage from hazards and toxic
hydreigon/meloettap: meloettap gives high atk/spe in general, hydreigon adds hustle which is a big boost to its physical attacks
latias/probopass: dragon/steel with levitate is a great specially defensive typing especially to nidoking fusions which are almost all ground
slowbro/diancie: similar to slowking/diancie, water/fairy is a very good typing and regenerator is one of the best defensive abilities to have
tangrowth/meloettap: meloettap with regenerator
yanmega/meloettap: meloettap with tinted lens and stab uturn
entei/haxorus: high atk/spe with mold breaker to bypass unaware, which would ignore its dragon dance boosts
meloetta/toxapex: high mixed bulk with regenerator and uturn
magnezone/entei: gets access to magnet pull, which allows it to trap steel-types and eliminate them with stab eruption
machamp/golisopod: high atk with guts, which boosts its atk while ignoring burn from walls
mew/hawlucha: one of the fastest mold breaker hazard setters, which allows it to set them while bypassing magic bounce
metagross/meloettap: gets access to stab serene grace iron head/meteor mash, which has a 60% to flinch/40% to raise atk respectively
magnezone/meloettap: meloettap with magnet pull
porygon2/golisopod: pretty good bulk with analytic, which boosts power when moving last, along with low spe which means it almost always moves last
rhydon/xatu: covered by soup
feraligatr/genesect: water/steel with sheer force dragon dance, which allows it to do some damage
ferrothorn/celebi: pretty much ferrothorn with recovery and uturn
kangaskhan/meloettap: meloettap with scrappy which allows it to bypass ghosts
kyurem/greninja: gets access to protean + wide coverage in its moves like earth power, ice beam, hydro pump, and gunk shot, along with hazards in spikes and pivoting in uturn
moltres/diancie: fire/fairy allows it to wall entei/meloettap, and gets access to stealth rock, defog, and uturn
skarmory/tangela: decent bulk with regenerator and spikes/stealth rock
togetic/cofagrigus: covered by soup
jynx/nidoking: had access to quiver dance and sheer force which made it extremely strong (quiver dance was banned)
tyranitar/tangrowth: rock/grass is a decent defensive typing especially with sand stream and tangrowth gives it knock off/leech seed (sand stream was banned)
aggron/zapdos: had access to quiver dance and electrify + lightning rod which allowed it to setup and then invalidate certain pokemon by making their moves all electric (quiver dance and electrify were banned)
<@&306953740651462656> ice em
Damn i never considered mummy to neutralize ability reliant wallbreakers
mummy against regenerators is quite fun
ah I read walls at first lol
both are nice!

Hi, I haven't done competitive Pokemon since a brief period where I was playing Gen 7 Monotype shortly after USUM came out; what's the barrier to entry like for someone pretty inexperienced with competitive in general?
It is quite steep but it's a fun learning process!
HI NERDS
why is that gliscor fusion at the top?
i wanna learn this shit but i am BRAND NEW to competitive pokemon
i understand the basics but i am not good at teambuilding
WOW
THAT WAS HILARIOUS
A FUCKIN HACKED PERSON JUST GOT AUTOMODDED IN FRONT OF MY EYES
ive seen servers that get so many
tbf some of them arent scam bots theyre just people who got hacked but
anyways why is that gliscor fusion so strong?
We've got this as a brief explanation for some of the most common fusions
does yanetta still not have a sprite?
OOOO CLEFBLADE
wait
why is it clefblade and not clefslash?
eviolite
Yup afaik it's spriteless
ugh i should register to become a spriter so i can make that shit
i like making sprites
i worked on making some honedge sprites at some point because the honedge line is my favorite
but then i never finished em
You can actually make sprites even before you become a spriter! You can just leave them for another spriter to pick them up and they'll upload them, perhaps with a few changes if they deem it necessary (you still get credit)
Not leave them for another spriter but wait until they get harvested by a Zigzagoon to upload into the gallery but yeah
Ah knew I was mixing something up, been a while haha
:O
I DIDNT KNOW THAT
alsoalso
i had a thought
couldnt you do a pledge build and make the swamp for speed control and have a really strong team?
that or like, a rainbow build with crazy flinch chance rock slides or crazy omniboosts with ancientpower
Only in doubles since you have to do both at once and they can be blocked by protect and require starter fusions that it isn’t worth it
it would only work in doubles yes, but them being blocked by protect isnt a big deal since only one pokemonhas to be particularly fast
the second pledge always happens right after the first regardless of the second pokemon's speed stat
Protect is priority so it matters
Also I know how pledges work
true it is, but it wouldn't work twice in a row (probably) and theyd have to correctly guess which pokemon i use it into or double protect
plus i dont think anyone would expect a pledge build
If you need speed control tailwind is just better
yeah true
Or trick room
but also imagine a rainbow terrain serene grace jirachi (i think jirachi has serene?) with ancient power and something with crazy flinch chance
dont get me wrong
it has flaws
i am aware
but wouldn't that be a cool team?
:D
No it wouldn’t since it’s extremely gimmicky and rarely gonna work with a faster setting like doubles
yes but it wouldnt be the only thing the team is good at
im not stupid it wouldnt just be a team built entirely around that
jeez
making me remember why i dont play competitive pokemon much
If you’re committing that many resources into running a pledge team it kinda needs a lot built around it
it's two moves and two dedicated pokemon out of twelve. they wouldn't even need to be brought on every fight (assuming its like vgc with four pokemon picked out of your team of 6)
If it’s like VGC then not being able to reliably bring 2 of your 6 into any matchup where pledges aren’t a good strat is not good at all. And if it is pledges, it is easy to read since you have starters
but who the fuck would expect pledge moves, and also 2 out of 6 can be for specific scenarios. all it takes is a bit of analyzing
jesus
If you’re running multiple starters and especially one is a strong special attacker than it’s something you should plan for
yes its a gimmick. but it's an interesting gimmick that could work if given enough care i think
it'd just take some think thunkin
anyways imma work on this sprite
If that were true than it would be a popular meta strat but that isn’t the case
Exactly. There are 300something thousand other better options you can use.
nah go fuck yourself honestly
like
come on man
you do not need to be this toxic about this silly little concept
How am I being toxic? I am brining up valid counterpoints to your claims
It’s not my fault if you don’t like them.
yes, you were, until you said this.
I am using your claim that you stated for my argument
you were just being rude about it at first, but that was toxic.
there were 300something thousand better ways you could have said that.
But you chose to be rude about it.
I’m not attacking you at all, just the claim that pledges can be good.
dude, they can be good, under certain conditions.
I'm not saying they're some miracle power.
Dude, please stop overreacting. Sometimes people disagree with your statements but you shouldn’t get this emotionally upset about it.
you're the one who's being rude????
The first notice of someone being rude was when you said to me to go fuck myself.
i just came in here with "hey wouldnt this be a neat thing to add to a team? :D" and you went "no. no it wouldn't." in like the most rude way possible??
you specifically spun my words around on me just to tell me my idea was shit. that's called being rude, dude.
Then stop talking if you’re done instead of continuing the pointless argument.
I'm going to work on my sprite and hope I do not have to talk to you again
Cool
anyways
yeah ngl soul has the point to my opinion here, sure he talk a bit rudely but as someone with also a strong language i can get that, soup you were very unflexible specialy for just two move, you could have been like "well its not perfect but i guess you can still at least try it" but you were pretty cold and really sticked to the "no it wont work"
thank you
it just stressed me out really bad. i dont know why
something about it reminds me of how people used to treat my ideas as stupid and impossible.
i got the idea of using the pledges at all from Wolfe Glick
because i saw his videos about the starter only team and was like "huh i wonder if you could get pledges to work in IF"
tho dont get me wrong, you have a way too much of a strong language, you should try to lower that a bit, but you wasnt exactly full at fault anyway
true i do i will do my best to relax
im extra stressed now though because i got a warn :(
fair
yeah its probably why you got one, i feel like the "go **** yourself" was definitly too far XD
yeah but i was stressed out and he reminded me of why i struggle to get into competitive pokemon
also here is general, not teambuild (not accusing, just an advice)
which is because of the people
then i got your solution
(true i wasnt even thinking of teambuilding it it was just meant to be a 'huh i wonder if anyone could make that work'
i call it "f*** around and find out" thats what i do and it (kinda??) work
exactly /silly
i just dont have enough competitive pokemon knowledge to see if i could make it work
same, tho i play in anything goes which is really funny af, except that nobody play there so i never really can fight anyone....
also if i can give you an actual trick, play pif, thats what is helping me right now to learn strategy funny enough
true i do need to play some more
soups right in that pledges are niche but i have seen someone i know make it work in vgc so it could be plausible here
also if you want sometime we could fight in ag!
thatd be fun :D
THANK YOU
i knew they were niche in the first place
i was just thinking that it'd be more reasonable in Infinite Fusion
since yknow. way more freedom
something like grass pledge chlorophyll venusaur fusion and fire pledge cheninphox in sun idk
YEAHHHHHH
or like
serene grace fusion with a fire mon with something that flinches and a fire pledge plus marshtomp water pledge with ancientpower
something like that
unfortunately rainbow explicitly doesnt stack with flinch or serene grace
doesn't it???
last i saw it did!
ive seen someone do a build with serene grace rainbow ancient power jirachi!
oh nvm it does work with serene grace just not with flinching
i think it was jirachi
ohhhhh
thats good to know actually that it doesnt work with flinch
seems pretty inconsistent though id probably use rainbow with serene grace discharge to paralyze everything
ooh now THATs a fun combo
i do agree that ancient power isn't super consistent but 40% chance for omniboosts is still pretty strong
plausible
hey soul wanna see my team?
yessss
i have honestly no idea how good it is (or bad) but here it is
god's corpse is crazy
what is spirit shackle?????
except that i dont know if its still bugged because before it allowed opponent to still switch
spirit shackle stop opponent from switching pokemon
O H
its ghost type and have 90 of power and i think 100% accuracy
spirit shackle is the equivalent of "get f***"
if they dont got a dark type attack, they cant switch and cant attack either
which mean free kill
alot of fun hehe
if i dont get one shot of course....
you should probably run sash on it to not get one shot
and protect to see if the opponent has a dark move or status
i like to live dangerously hehehehe
either it get one shot or carry the whole fight itself, thats the beauty of him, the DEFINITION of a true glass cannon
but even in the case he get one shot, look up my Nightmare
id miss every hypnosis
oh i miss half of them
but Dream Eater and Soft-Boiled ya know
useless they got a fighting type, its over and if they do i can switch for God's Corpse
i run stuff like magic bounce and natural cure chansey for sleep users yeah
OH
I JUST HAD A THOUGHT.
LAPRAS WITH NO GUARD AND SHEER COLD.
YOU CAN DO IT IN DEFAULT WITH SKILL SWAP.
if actually hardcodes no guard and ohko moves to not interact anymore
yeah BUT, theres a move i forgot the name of but if used the next move is SURE to hit, which mean on a tanky enough pokemon you can one shot ANY pokemon within two turn
and it DOES work with ohko moves
opponent usually switches out of it though
no idea which one, probably one of them!
true but you can keep going until he has to stop switching
lets say you keep doing it, at some point at least if he never stop, you fully know his team
main problem is on the turn you use lockon the opponent can attack and considering the mons who know ohko moves are not very bulky itll probably force you out
except lapras, who is VERY bulky
you could also perish trap with spirit shackle theoretically
perish song is alright but youd probably use arena trap/shadow tag so you dont have to use spirit shackle
like this
oooh true but that would mean let your pokemon die since the ability has to stay on the field, so spirit shackle is probably better
my thought exactly
you swap out on the turn both of you are about to die so theyre not able to switch out that turn
unless they have a pivoting move
ooooh true, didnt though about that
smart smart
hey soul wanna try to do a fight?
ahhh
Isn’t this the first month where unfused Pokemon made it to usage stats
i believe
Why is base Magnezone so high? I know you said people who used unfused mons battled a lot but I don’t think that accounts for it specifically being so much higher than the rest.
two players who probably both used zone
It happened last month too iirc, they just ended up super low comparatively
Iirc Scizor and Aegislash
It's just one person actually
The only unfused mon that’s actually good to use is Necrozma since you can ultra it
Honestly base genesect also has some use
Can't preserve its typing without lessening its stats unfortunately
You have no idea
what happend every 10 mins?-
Scambots.
oh i see
hey @sly elk wanna fight?
I still haven't set that team up, lol. I have a part of it finished though.
oooh nice, i got one that i needed to test lol
anyone wanna 1v1?
ok I just checked usage status
Magmortar galvantula? more popular than zam electrode?
This month had less people playing than normal and had one guy spamming that fusion on ladder a lot
Yeah, jirachi tangrowth being barely played
Kanga dragonite wtf?
oh hey, registeel moltres appeared, I'm satisfied
Kanga Dragonite seems fun tbh, very reliable prio
Mathematically, you could argue that silk scarf fake out + espeed is the same as cb pixilate espeed, with the exception of hitting poison types but not rock types
it got 28% winrate btw the lowest of the top like 20 mons
It's the kind of mons I'd love to bring moltres into
scarf fakespeed being two turns makes it not really arguable
The fakeout having a chance to burn would make them think twice.
What about this in case they have mag?
Yeah with moltres you rather have the flying type, but that makes the fusion worse
I also hate stealth rock btw
I guess they didn't want Beautifly ruining the whole game
How do i get espeed dragonite in this Game? :'c
#playthrough-talk
does anyone wanna fight in AG?
crazy wind out there
Does anyone here know what was the exact format used in this tournament?
https://limitlessvgc.com/tournaments/404
I tried to find what it was but couldn't at all
I wanted to organize a tournament with this format in pokemon showdown between my friend group, for context
but I don't know what format this is
and don't know if showdown has it
;p
Scarlet & Violet Regulation H
Says it at the top btw
ah, that was the format
😭
I'm dumb fr fr
do u know if showdown has it?
It should
Damn nevermind I guess they removed it
No that’s actually insane they removed Reg H from builder tf are they thinking
It’s not there but the rules for it are just scarlet violet dex with dlcs but without any paradox or legendary
I see
and it's double battles right?
is there usualy more people in Uber or AG?
waiting a full hour to never fight, god i feel like nobody play uber or ag at all-
most ppl play ou yeah
and it make me sad
it been like almost a full on month i wanna test a team and i got nobody to test it agains
why does smeargle get veevee volley and pika papow
Because movesets are Gen 7 + IF additions and not just their actual IF movesets
Something I’ve complained about a lot already
Hello! I was checking some calcs for a fight coming up
Can anyone who knows how damage calcs are done explain why this is a garanteed 2HKO?
(Ignore the two physical moves on a special set lol, was testin stuff)
even more interesting tbh
Ok sorry for spamming but yea there is something wrong for sure
probably a problem on my hand tbh
usually this happens when the current HP has changed in the calculator
specifically, if you change the fusion it sometimes keeps the old fusion's current hp
btw, There is no real way to get fusions on here right? until now I just copied base stats and typing onto a blank set
oh wait I just realized you're using the official showdown one
we have this: https://calc.pokeathlon.com/
it's specifically for fusions
i wonder if people use any other electric move except volt switch
thunder wave lol
thunderbolt
man if only we had a downloads channel
But why would a channel called https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/926866111948001341 be the location of where to download the game that this server is dedicated to??? 
This chat is for showdown only. Go to #playthrough-talk for help
yo
Gurt:
yo
-# challenge me
sure!
how you wanna do it?
guess we arent doing it then-
the triple fusions exist as stand alone pokemon, but you can't triple fuse any three pokemon
Any of yall good at team building and the competitive side of things able to help me out? Need some help building and potentially a mock battle