pif-hoenn-discussion

[gray vine]

so it already came out

[dense cosmos]

Today's the 14th here.
So therefore, it could be.
(It says false information up there...)

[thin pawn]

Mars is joking

[dense cosmos]

I'm joking a little too

Going to catch seviper tomorrow

[torn crane]

Yes thank you wher link

[sudden jackal]

It was a joke

A demo won't even be available until early next year

[rancid nymph]

You’d think the and the “In case it wasn't clear, this is FALSE INFORMATION” would’ve made that clear

[hushed axle]

Tbf, they could’ve just been continuing the joke

[quaint matrix]

You know with the nameplate and the 'where' misspelling I'd assume they're continuing the joke

[dense cosmos]

I will get my seviper
||eventually||

[quaint matrix]

I'm just waiting to be able to make Mightyena competent

It and Lycanroc Day together would go real hard

[sudden jackal]

Oooo sorry I just asked that it'll never be added sorry bud my b

[dense cosmos]

I know where piplup lives

[sudden jackal]

[sudden jackal]

YOU WONT LAY A FINGER ON MY PINGU!

[dense cosmos]

In my pc box, because idk what to fuse him with yet... -.-

[sudden jackal]

Oh nice you have one too

[torn crane]

I won once with 252hp choice band moxie

[dense cosmos]

I have to catch everything for them Boots, and that is a lot of options for my brain to choose for piplup.

[quaint matrix]

With how Empoleon is it should be easy to decide to since it's basically only good as like a head

So it's always gonna be Water (unless you got the rare fusions where it's way worse as a head than body)

[sudden jackal]

Water is one of the best typings in the game according to a world champion

[quaint matrix]

And more obvious statement from the VGC's biggest glazer coming to you at 11

(I've nothing against VGC of course lol)

It's like the Big 3 of typing

Alongside Steel and Ghost

[sudden jackal]

Fairy was the other one not ghost

Ghost is good but it's got barely any resistances

It doesn't effect the type chart much

[weak trellis]

from what I recall that's generally what makes it so good is that there's not much that really resists it so it's very spammable

but yea fairy, water, steel, and ghost are all very easily in the top 5

5th I'm tempted to say is either dragon or ground but I could be wrong on that

[sudden jackal]

I was more talking about defensively but yeah

[weak trellis]

oooh for defenses yea

I was thinking of just overall

[sudden jackal]

I think it only resists like bug and smth else (with the obvious 2 immunities which is great)

[weak trellis]

yea bug/poison for resistances

neither of which get much notable offensive use outside of U-turn

I like how I mentally asked what the bottom 5 overall would be and my brain just auto-answered with "some order of rock, ice, normal, psychic, and bug"

but that's a very different discussion lol

[quaint matrix]

I'd say Fairy and Ghost is equally 3rd in this scenario of "best typing overall" imo

2 is Water and 1 is Steel

(Even though to me they're reversed)

And then Ground is fifth but it's also like the only one in those groups that are actually balanced

[vocal pivot]

I'd say water is #4 or 5

[quaint matrix]

Mmmmm nah

I don't see Ghost or Fairy and Ground being any better than Water

[sudden jackal]

Nah it goes steel, fairy, water, dragon, ground

Even tho fairy exists dragon is still a beast of a typing

[vocal pivot]

I don't see water being better than dragon

Dragon offensively works like a better normal with one type being immune to it and one resisting but smacks everything neutrally. Hitting itself super effectively is nice.

Defensively, it resists 4 types that are fairly common

If I were to rank them:

4/5, and 16/17 are interchangeable

[thin pawn]

6/7

[vocal pivot]

Fair, both have good immunities

I put flying higher since I find a ground immunity slightly more valuable and flying has good utility like tailwind

[full bison]

I would personally put Ice around the same rank as Grass

It's a great type when used properly

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/67-meme-gif-15788149647025991512

[full bison]

It's just that most Ice types don't

[vocal pivot]

I can see this. I've used a mono ice team and it was really fun with hail and aurora veil. Froslass/talonflame being the mvp

Officially, ice struggles from being pulled into a defensive role without the resists to back them up. Few like mamoswine and weavile escape that fate

[full bison]

Shout out to Baxcalibur for breaking that trend so hard it broke OU

[vocal pivot]

Ice would be above normal if it had a couple more resists

[full bison]

STAB Scale Shot and Icicle Spear made it the single best Loaded Dice abuser and it just so quickly snowballed into a menace

[vocal pivot]

I feel every type can be usable when given the right circumstances. Even bug.

There's a few good mons like volcarona, scizor and forretress and it has u-turn.

It's the lowest because it gets the lowest amount of opportunities to shine.

[sudden jackal]

Only has 2 weaknesses super effective against 3 types and resisted by only 3 one being itself so you could argue 2 and has a resist to steel which is a huge deal

And almost every water type gets a ice move which is perfect for dealing with grass and dragon types

Water is very good when U think about it

[sudden jackal]

I will say I do agree with alot on this list but there's some typings that should be higher like fire and normal U said urself that one reason why dragon is so good is because it hits alot for neutral and even said it's like normal then put it so low on your list and fire should be a little higher because it's ability to resist the top 2 typings is massive as well as it's offensiveness to steel

But besides that good ranking man

[vocal pivot]

The reason why I put normal significantly lower is because it lacks defensively and doesn't hit anything super effectively.

Fire is middling because while it has 6 resists (especially fairy), I find it hard to rank above the higher types because I only find fire decent offensively and it lacks good physical moves outside of flare blitz. Electric is worse in that aspect but compensates by being better complimentary coverage to types like fighting and ice. Which is why it's slightly higher. Hitting steel super effectively is what stops it from going lower

[vocal pivot]

In that sense, sure. Water is very fundamentally sound. I find it a good defensive typing and it has good moves like scald and liquidation. The occasional ice coverage is nice.

However, consider the coverage dragons tend to get. Some come with moves like iron head to hit fairy and ice like garchomp and some come with a lot of moves to hit a variety of types like dragonite. And on average, the dragons themselves tend to be stronger. Most pseudos and a good chunk of legendaries are dragons.

Plus, draco meteor

[sudden jackal]

I thought we were talking about the type chart not specific Pokemon

[vocal pivot]

They are a factor but I don't place a lot of weight on it in comparison to the type itself

Think 20/80

I brought dragonite and garchomp up as examples like you could say for the waters that get ice attacks

When ranking, I feel it's necessary to include even the tinier details to decide which goes where. And for me, one of those details is looking at how the pokemon with those types are typically created.

It's one reason why the bottom 3 are ranked as they are

[hardy remnant]

I don't care what people rank the Pokemon types as I just care about if I like the Pokemon.

[radiant wharf]

any guesses for this region? or about its progress

[shy condor]

it is confirmed to be hoenn

[sudden jackal]

It's a surprise but we've left clues around for y'all to find

[radiant wharf]

bruhh I can see the channel name 😭

[radiant wharf]

what kind of clues and where? in game or discord?

[shy condor]

then it be good if you specified what you mean guesses for this region

its a bit vague

[radiant wharf]

sry mb

[sudden jackal]

What did you mean when you asked

[radiant wharf]

i meant the story.

[sudden jackal]

Can't say

[radiant wharf]

hmm

[dense cosmos]

The story is about a ten year old who has to beat up two adults wanting more land or more water.

[weak trellis]

"the story is about an X year old kid who has to beat up Y adults wanting Z" is basically most pokemon plots aside from gens 1, 8, (where that happens but it's not the main plot) and 9

...actually yea gen 9's 3 plots are "get strong", "stop truancy" and "kaiju battles go go go" (and the usual "beat up Y adults wanting Z" in the end but those adults are far gone by the time you get there)

[warm prism]

So I noticed on FusionDex there's some Poké's with a Dex# beyond the highest one (Luvdisc #501). I'm assuming those are the ones that are implemented with PiF: Hoenn?

Awesome, thanks 💖

[inland jewel]

yee to be released when the demo comes out

its just so people can make sprites so when the demo DOES release, we don't just have autogens

[uncut tangle]

Y'all think PIF Hoenn will be just Hoenn or will it be another double feature

[sudden jackal]

I don't think it will be 2 regions in one since hoenn and the other regions are bigger than Kanto/Johto but I do think wayyyy later down the line the map will be filled with custom areas like islands or smth

If it was smth like no DLC galar then yeah you could probably fit another small region but most were made to be just itself

Cause you can very much tell galar was made to have the dlc there's fuck all in there besides main plot stuff

[inland jewel]

I don’t think it’ll have two regions at launch

But it can def have another added later

[sudden jackal]

I don't think they'll be any room tbh

And IF we do it would absolutely be at the expense of a lot of potential custom places

[quaint matrix]

With ORAS too we're looking at a lot of potential additions to this IF Hoenn

Maybe even Team Sky and Zinnia's shenanigans

[sudden jackal]

With what the games built on there's a set limit to the amount of areas that can be made so if we get smth like hoenn/sinnoh we would have like no space for anything custom like new/reimagined routes or hidden areas

[uncut tangle]

That makes sense. Too bad we cant get Gen 8 and 9 mons in here

[inland jewel]

Maybe for the 20th anniversary

[uncut tangle]

Nah we cant get them at all I think

[inland jewel]

That’s true for now, but eventually Frog will run out of gens 4-7 mons to add

[uncut tangle]

I remember the mods saying something about the coding part is a problem

[inland jewel]

And then he can take the 2-3 year dev time to figure out gens 8-9

[uncut tangle]

Tru

[inland jewel]

And the 10th anniversary only just passed

So expecting it by the 20th isn’t a stretch

[uncut tangle]

That's pretty optimistic

[sudden jackal]

No Ur not getting it he already knows why he can't do it

[uncut tangle]

I mean no offense to anyone but even triple AAA titles dont last 20 years

[sudden jackal]

He would have to completely restart from the ground up with both pif and pif hoenn to get the gen 8+ moves to work which is the main issue of why we aren't ever getting them

[inland jewel]

That’s why I said 3 year dev time to restart everything from scratch

[sudden jackal]

More like 8

[uncut tangle]

It would take 3 years just to get us back to the OG PIF days when there was only 340 Pokemon

[sudden jackal]

It took him like 13 years to get where we are rn

[inland jewel]

Technically 10 since he COULD have added all the mons for gens 1-7 but he already explained why he hasn’t yet

[uncut tangle]

Not even mentioning the fact that getting old is a thing, Frog may not want to even do this in 10 years

I'd imagine he is close to my age, so that's probably not a thing yet, but you never know

[quaint matrix]

So what I'm hearing is a completely new PIF game separate from the fundamental codeworks of PIF and PIF Hoenn

That'll be like what the 4th sequel

And at that point there'll be even more generations than just 8 or 9 tbh

[sudden jackal]

IF

he were to make it then yes the coding of the game would have to be completely separate and unattached from what we have now and probably would have no compatibility with these games like pif and hoenn are gonna have

[quaint matrix]

Well yeah obviously he's not gonna make that anytime soon

Not while we still have stragglers like the Burmy line and Kricketot line added dead last

[hushed axle]

The elemental monkeys should be added last

[uncut tangle]

The Sages

[atomic hornet]

Hi guys! wanted to pop in and say hi to our hoenn enthuasists

[quaint matrix]

Payaaaaaa

I miss you so much

[atomic hornet]

Awww I've been so busy with hoenn I haven't really been active on the discord much

I can't say a whole lot, but I've been giving it my all. I'm really excited for what we have in store

[quaint matrix]

Hell yea can't wait

[atomic hornet]

I can say that for the time being, there are no current plans to add another region. I would personally love to, but right now we're focusing solely on hoenn. Since this isn't Frog's first rodeo and he's learned a lot over the years, we're building out maps a lot smarter than when this was a solo passion project, so we can have the possibility in the future if he chooses

[hexed agate]

I'll personally get a single island added, don't worry

[prime dust]

rodeo = clay = unova confirmed

[torn crane]

Is 3x3 patch of sand an island?

[hexed agate]

To my standards, yes

[sudden jackal]

Pory I'm about to play kingdom hearts

I'm starting with kingdom hearts 1 final mix

[hexed agate]

#off-topic

[sudden jackal]

[hexed agate]

Also I'm the wrong person for KH lol

[sudden jackal]

I was only gonna say that one thing meanie

Idc I wanted to tell U since we're friends

[hexed agate]

[sudden jackal]

I also didn't know anyone else was a fan

[hexed agate]

Surely someone is a fan

[sudden jackal]

I've never played or heard anything about this so I'm completely blind

[sudden jackal]

Nah just me they made 10 games just for me

[hexed agate]

You should see a doctor

[sudden jackal]

No >:3

[sterile spoke]

I dream of the day Holon is playable in Infinite Fusion. 😛

[trail hull]

✋

[desert nacelle]

I dream of the day we get a sinnoh onr

[thin pawn]

If that happens it'll take a while

Hoenn is already a major undertaking for poor old Frog

[marsh dew]

Is there a link somewhere that I am just not finding?

[fringe forge]

?

[marsh dew]

Sorry didn't explain that well. How fo I download the hoenn version?

[fringe forge]

Pif hoenn is not available its a work in progress

[marsh dew]

Ash my bad. Thanks

[tropic dew]

If we ever do get a postgame region to explore in PIF: Hoenn, my money would probably be on one of the DS-era side game regions, if only so some liberties can be taken translating it from the style of said side game to a more traditional 2D Pokemon game map.

Alternatively we get to explore Orre or something

[rancid nymph]

Orre would probably make more sense, given that it’s Gen 3

[weak trellis]

I can also see exploring the sevii islands that weren't visited in kanto, speaking of Gen 3

[full bison]

I just want the Battle Frontier honestly

[atomic solar]

Yeah its prolly gonna take a while

[primal frost]

Cant wait for this one. Hoenn only or more regions ?

[full bison]

Most certainly just Hoenn for the initial release

[thin pawn]

It would probably be harder to add more regions to Hoenn than Kanto

[vital spire]

Sinnoh would be peak.

[inland jewel]

Hoenn does have 2 ferries/boats that can def take you to other egions

[thin pawn]

But those other regions would basically have to be remade entirely to fit with Hoenn

Johto was already made to fit with Kanto

[full bison]

As much as some want Orre, that seems like a colossal undertaking given that would mean rebuilding a 3D world into a 2D one

Plus a lot of the area is complete emptiness that you traverse by cutscene

[prime dust]

yes but

hover bike

[thin pawn]

hover in 2d

[rigid night]

is there a hoenn release date?

[full bison]

When it's done

Frog has hit a rough patch in life, so we should be patient and not rush him on this

[inland jewel]

The last estimate was Jan-Feb but then they updated with irl problems delaying the update further, so now its any time after Feb

but before this there was no official date that they plan to release

[marble meadow]

but now if a new Event to add new Mons is Happening i now want excadrill

[sudden jackal]

I highly doubt we will be getting anything new until at least the demo is up and decently running

[full bison]

Considering we're already getting 71, more Pokemon is definitely a "wait for the full release" thing, bare minimum

[fervent jolt]

Sinnoh would be cool one day. Get all 4 regions based on japan.

[prime dust]

Unova getting left out just because it is

America

[desert nacelle]

Ngl

[viscid fossil]

🦅

[desert nacelle]

Eagle

[final wave]

Dam they making a hoenn one too?

Cool

I ignore most channels aside from the general one

[desert nacelle]

Fair

[dusty arrow]

hello chat

[slim otter]

When you use ice beam or something like that, it encases the target in ice momentarily

Naturally-occurring Icekarp

[viscid fossil]

Tera ice magikarp

[atomic hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/desert-our-planet-from-deserts-to-grasslands-sand-dunes-dune-gif-17113081

80% of maps would be just desert at that rate, I wonder if we could have one where the player is walking infinitely

there we go, infinite fusion having a double meaning

[weak trellis]

Desert Bus but pokemon

[next flare]

Please put an infinite desert trap in Hoenn

[atomic hornet]

||ngl I'm liking the idea||

frog will notice at some point, but I should have him test it without saying anything

[full bison]

They say a shiny Ledyba will appear if you walk in one direction for 5 hours

[slim otter]

Something like the lost forest from Ocarina of Time for that sandstorm desert
With constant wild Pokémon encounters

That would be awful

[atomic hornet]

Yes... it would be

[prime dust]

and it's nothing but zubat fusions

[clear lichen]

Make all the fusions as annoying as possible with 2 strong yet common Pokemon with the most infuriating moveset ever

Bonus points if it forces you to play ability 50/50s

Like a Steel type that can have either Levitate or Flash Fire or something silly like that

[zinc vortex]

Has the hoenn game come out yet?

I was just wondering

[quaint matrix]

Nope

Likely coming out at early 2026 at best and that's just the demo

[alpine rune]

I wonder if frog would remove sky pillar from regular PIF

[prime dust]

doubt it

[alpine rune]

imagine people asking if they could go to hoenn from PIF1 Sky pillar

[torn crane]

"please insert disc 2 to continue"

[alpine rune]

AHAHAHAHA

[sudden jackal]

That would be cool U just do a interaction ingame and it opens the file for hoenn

[alpine rune]

that true

[desert nacelle]

Oooo

Maybe

This game will unlock new legendaries

Like the aura trio

Or the sun and moon trio

[thin pawn]

The aura trio?

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassing-so-embarrased-vegeta-bulma-gif-13379758

[desert nacelle]

Yj

Yk

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/picolo-gif-17359664756424470980

[desert nacelle]

Xerneas, yveltal, zygarde

[thin pawn]

Who has more aura than them

But yeah that trio would be cool

Same with Lunala and Solgaleo

[desert nacelle]

Yea

We already got necrozma

[full bison]

If Solgaleo and Lunala are added it would be so cool to have a triple Fusion with Necrozma that has the power to go Ultra if that's possible

[thin pawn]

Now that would go crazy

[magic creek]

is this hoenn update a whole new game?

[hardy remnant]

It is a completely separate game, not an update.

[lean heart]

so hoenn is a second game version of the kanto? what about jhoto

[hardy remnant]

Johto is already in PIF, it is just post game.

[lean heart]

ohhhh

lit

are they gonna do sinnoh etc?

also i noticed somethin yesterday

[hardy remnant]

I don't know, but I would say if they were going to do that, it will be a long wait.

[lean heart]

Yeah, I mean with working on Hohen. I can expect that.

So where should I go to report a bug in the guides

😆

That spot and another area bugged out

I got a luvdisc not a pyruk

[hardy remnant]

I think that is just very outdated.

[lean heart]

And bill ai porygon didn’t spawn

Which made me restart my game because I was like did I overstep something 🤣

Yea the guide is for 5.3

I can’t find a guide for newest update to poke infinite fusion 1 kanto

[hardy remnant]

There are different ways to obtain Porygon now.

[lean heart]

Yea the coins lol

So what guide should I use?

[hardy remnant]

Coins, or if you meet certain requirements when you interact with your PC.

[lean heart]

Because the wiki guide I think also outdated

[hardy remnant]

I can't really help you with finding a guide.

[lean heart]

They all got 5.3 lol

[hardy remnant]

Yeah, I can't really do anything about the guides and other stuff, I'm just a person who doesn't do much other than play games.

[lean heart]

same lol

[inland jewel]

?tag wiki

[opal trail]

Here's a link for PIF's official wikipedia https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokémon_Infinite_Fusion_Wiki

[inland jewel]

wrong command

oof yeah

[lean heart]

Lol gameplay help chat I explained there but whatever guide recommend would be best to have recommend by 😆 because I was frustrated for hours before I restarted my game

[inland jewel]

the walkthrough command shows 5.3

[lean heart]

Yea all them do

[inland jewel]

the thing is we have an updated guide that is from 6.3

[lean heart]

That’s why a update I asked for one or a recommend name next to one 🤣

Someone who can edit website etc whatever case is 😆

[inland jewel]

Wiki is a fan-run site

so all you gotta really do is create an account and then change hte info

[lean heart]

oh

[inland jewel]

gotta just hunt down the correct walkthrough and link it

as for the bot here, the mods have to change that

[lean heart]

lol glad im off tommorrow

u reccomend knucks tho?

wiki itself one is off for sure on porygon part

idkw what else so maybe ill do just that lol

[inland jewel]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VB-J_Ji3HscwC4gpPvZtzSDINg-nlDvYftlBMfmkngw/edit?usp=sharing got the guide

ill have to go through it to see if it still is up to date though

lmao i already see a screenshot i have to update

[lean heart]

Wait don’t tell me that bidoof is the one I think it is

😆 is it? The name urself God and u get a bidoof

[heavy oak]

WHEN IS IT RELEASING 😭

[quaint matrix]

Early 2026 at best

[gilded mortar]

hoenn can't wait

i'm gonna kick maxie & archie's ass

[atomic hornet]

For the demo or full release?

[quaint matrix]

Demo I've heard

[atomic hornet]

That would be cool. I actually play tested an early build and its definitely not ready lol. But we're getting places

Like tonight. I think you guys are gonna like what we have in store I want to do something for you guys soon

~~like a sneak peak or something ~~

[quaint matrix]

Finally #dev-updates is back on the menu

[atomic hornet]

I've been wanting to do one for a while now, it's just hard cause I don't have one clear role. Pory does music, Frog codes everything, and I mostly just give Frog more work to do

There are some stuff that I focus on, but I don't know if its enough for a whole update

I don't want people to be disappointed lol

[trail hull]

I think it has been long enough that people will take any new droplet of info

[atomic hornet]

True, I didnt take that into consideration

[clear lichen]

You should just give absolutely 0 news and see if we can make a Silksong Community 2.0

[inland jewel]

7 years of PIF Hoenn delays and 0 news

[atomic hornet]

You got it

[hearty night]

give us one update every 4 years like a leap year

until all the updates add up to the full progress yall did

[quaint matrix]

If this is happening I'm gonna start my own Daily Hoenn IF News channel

[hearty night]

fr

id join u on that

or better yet

leak one amazing qol update

and let us build 4 years of hype

then release it to us

[clear lichen]

If this happens can you invite me as a guest once or twice because I made the funny comment

[tardy rampart]

Is this channel mainly filled with jokes that there's no news on the follow-up ?

[thin pawn]

Yes.

[full bison]

We did have a decent amount of discussion back when Swoobat, Dragalge, and Eelektross were confirmed for addition, but there's not been much to discuss since

[tardy rampart]

Do we know if it's a sequel, or is it simply in the same universe?

[quaint matrix]

I mean both?

[tardy rampart]

What I meant like, a direct sequel or like, at the same time, something like that. I can't think of any examples

[alpine rune]

honestly no idea

Probably a different continuity

||We got time travel shenanigans in PIF so possibilities are endless||

[torn crane]

To be fair red is like in every game, he coulda bring that stupid zapmolcuno from pif

[alpine rune]

||I'm speaking of like how we subverted the story of mt silver in which we are the boss Vs Gold in the distant future||

Then again there's also ||Cynthia that we need to fight beforehand so||

I don't know how the continuity works here

||You know what would be funny, if there's an update in PIF where there would be a trainer battle against Brendan in Sky Pillar and then there's a battle against Red in PIF Hoenn Sky Pillar.||

We are competing to catch Rayquaza in the same continuity

[slim otter]

You don't have to compete
There are multiples of each Legendary

[tardy rampart]

Idk how to mark spoilers, but how interesting would it be to go BACK in time instead of forward? Maybe we could accidentally cause fusions to even become a thing in the first place, or something like that

[alpine rune]

No I mean lore wise it would make sense to compete

I dont see any second rayquaza in the lore

[slim otter]

Lore-wise, there are multiples of each legendary Pokémon

As an Unown, it is my business to know these things

Legendary Pokémon are extremely rare, as are the fusions they are part of, but none of those species consists solely of one individual

[alpine rune]

So you're meaning to tell me, that by circumstance, a pokemon that created lands and sea, controls time and space, is the embodiment of life and death itself, and mechanically/historically speaking, cannot breed and has only one of them in their lore depiction, do in fact can breed and repopulate in the past, just very rare?

[slim otter]

Yeah

[alpine rune]

Im not talking about legendaries like heatran and mew, which is possible that there are multiple of them, I'm talking about primordial creations that predates life itself

[clear lichen]

The lore is that do you really want to be only able to catch legendaries in 1 game? Of course not

Who cares about lore

[alpine rune]

I use this | like ||this, two on each side of the sentence you want to spoiler||
Also yea that would be interesting but would make things even more confusing if im being real

[alpine rune]

The game does like bruh, I mean I want as many rayquazas as i want so "who cares" doesn't really answer the question

[clear lichen]

There's 0 lore reason why the 3 pieces of the Original Dragon are in Paldea

There is absolutely 0 fucking lore reason why

But ain't nobody complaining because they actually get to catch them

Do you think Gamefreak, or romhacks, or fangames put that much thought into what legendaries are obtainable and how?

Yeah no I genuinely don't think we should worry too much about how logical it is about whether we're able to actually catch Rayquaza, Groudon and Kyogre because of PIF 1

[alpine rune]

That's not really the problem, you could say it's a different universe where Tao trio was in Paldea's past instead of Unova, so a different continuity. What I'm saying is that you can only get one in each game, aka, only one per continuity, one per timeline.

My idea is that "What if PIF 1 and PIF 2 is in the same timeline, therefore, we have to fight for one legendary"

[clear lichen]

Is the "every game is a different timeline" thing even confirmed

I feel like that's just an explanation to try to make sense of this

[alpine rune]

I mean that explains why Mega's are present in ORAS and isnt present in RSE

[clear lichen]

Also I could kinda see what Red would use

[alpine rune]

It all boils down to narrative works really

[clear lichen]

After all, he has multiple canon teams

But what would Brendan use? He really only has like 1 team as a rival

[alpine rune]

Cuz like I think it'll be interesting for us to fight Brendan in PIF 1 and fight Red in PIF 2

[clear lichen]

And tbh I only remember his rival team as like

That one fight where he only has the Stage 2 starter

Because like that's the final mandatory fight

I'm sure he has like

At least a fully evolved starter in at least 1 team though

Maybe

[alpine rune]

Storyline-wise, by the time we are able to catch Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza in PIF 1, it was at the same time where Brendan resolved the Sootopolis incident and the trio went their separate ways.

[clear lichen]

Which Legendaries would realistically be one of a kind

I mean there's obviously the Gen 3 Box Arts

And uhh

Ho-Oh

But I think Lugia in the anime is shown with baby Lugia and iirc Lugia is one of the rare Pokemon that the Anime came up with first

So I could see taking that as game canon

Mostly because Lugia has like

0 fucking lore in the games

[alpine rune]

I would think like the same as Red in original games, a combination of like his starters. Maybe also a Relicanth/Wailord fusion in reference that he's about to catch Regis

[clear lichen]

Probably the box art we have the least info on honestly

Uhh

Dialga, Palkia and Giratina I'd also say are one of a kind

Arceus is by technicality not since the Arceus we know is only a mere fragment

Tao Trio are also probably one of a kind

As are Yveltal and Xerneas

But how the fuck do you classify Zygarde here

Technically it's already plural

[alpine rune]

Wasnt Zygard man made?

[clear lichen]

In every singular usable form

[clear lichen]

Nope

Definitely not

Absolutely not

But it is made out of at the bare minimum a core and 10 cells

Does that already count as multiple?

Hmm...

Lake Guardians are also probably one of a kind

The Legendary Beasts and Golems are weird because like

I mean

Ho-Oh could probably just

Revive some random Pokemon

And make more

And Regigigas could probably just make more golems

[alpine rune]

I would think like its an ants nest, a superorganism

[clear lichen]

I do not get species vibes from the Swords of Justice or the genies

I just don't

I do get species vibes from the birds, Eon Twins, Heatran, the Kubfu line and Ogerpon

Terapagos is directly confirmed to be the final member of its species iirc

[alpine rune]

Essentially, one ant is a living being, but it works like a cell. It has roles and duties like human cells are differentiated in their roles in the body. The ant queen works as the heart of the organism

[clear lichen]

And we literally see Lunala and Solgaleo create a new Cosmog

The Tapus are weird

Because I think their lore is that they were normal Pokemon

But they got given Z Power from like

Lunala or Solgaleo or Necrozma

Or something like that

And the Loyal 3 are in the same scenario

Koraidon and Miraidon are also species

Idk I'm just rambling about shit that should really be in #other-pokemon-games anyways uhh add the Cosmog line frfr

[dim sparrow]

What if

[weak trellis]

late buy I'm assuming Heatran and Kubfu are species considering they can be both genders (though kub isn't relevant for IF's case)

technically terapagos too but the in-game one is forced to be male

[rancid nymph]

We never see more then 1 Heatran at a time though

I believe that there are at least 3 Kubfu though (I never played the DLC so someone correct me if I’m wrong)

[hazy fable]

I can see Heatran be in Scorched Slab

[rancid nymph]

Kubfu is one of those legendarys that should absolutely not be legendary

[unkempt kernel]

Makes sense since it’s there in ORAS

[hazy fable]

yep

[hardy remnant]

I know there is at least two Kubfu in the Isle of Armor DLC as you and Mustard both have an Urshifu.

[rancid nymph]

I also remember hearing that Leon got one, but could never find the tower to evolve it

[hardy remnant]

I guess Leon got one, I don't know, I didn't play enough of it to know.

[west sonnet]

Legendary birds are confirmed as a species since you can catch multiple in Lets Go

[full bison]

There's also the Galarian forms, though the games aren't clear whether or not they're actually a subspecies or separate Pokemon that converged on their looks

[dusty arrow]

where ice type magikarp

[slim otter]

In your heart

[quaint matrix]

Oh we're eating this #dev-updates

Overworld and grass encounters at the same time is absolutely hella

[thin pawn]

Wtf how are we gonna go silksane if you give us updates

[hexed agate]

see you guys in 8 years

[quaint matrix]

I'm putting in the groundwork for Daily Hoenn IF News just in case

[hearty night]

same

if only we had threads here

[lament wedge]

bro what looks like overworld pokemon? Lets GOOOOO

[full bison]

Frog told me a while ago that those Shroomish things are "something like" the poison mushrooms from the original PIF a few months ago, if that's what we're talking about in terms of overworld encounters

[lament wedge]

No I meant the zigzagoons

[shadow magnet]

will PIF hoenn still have random encounter grass? Or will it be entirely overworld sprite encounters?

[full bison]

The update specified that there will be different types of grass for different encounters, so it seems like random encounters are still happening

On the note of overworld encounters, anyone else getting their hopes up a bit for DexNav?

[trail hull]

We’re eating good with this update

[serene yew]

Expect a very busy kitchen

[velvet root]

The Hoenn game is so pretty

[atomic hornet]

I'm glad you guys liked it! I was stressing for days on what to include

[signal willow]

is... is there a playable version? I thought it wasn't ready yet?
(I just dropped into this chat for the first time so I have no context yet)

Emerald's my favorite game so I'm very keen on a PIF version of Hoenn

[hushed axle]

#dev-updates

[signal willow]

ah, thank you

[boreal shore]

Is wooloo going to appear in pif 2

[trail hull]

No

Unless frog decides to go through the pain to add gen 8 and beyond mons we’ll never get them

[velvet root]

I mean he also has to gwt over himself not really liking gen 8+9

[trail hull]

Since we got something for 500k do you think we’ll get something for 750k?

[gilded mortar]

i just wanna see team magma and aqua

[amber garden]

i haven't been active here in awhile, does knowanyone if the emarald Team Magma base location will in it

[trail hull]

It’s not even out

[amber garden]

i mean if they doing that or not

i'm bad with words sometimes

[trail hull]

We don’t know

[amber garden]

I'm hoping because as a someone who most plays in ruby/omega ruby i hate they are in the place obivously ment for team aqua

[velvet root]

As far as I know its mainly meant to resemble Emerald

[amber garden]

Good

[sacred pagoda]

Frog added a silly little thing where you can give your rival clothes that they'll wear for the rest of the game!

I want this now. I want to give Blue my Pikachu Onesie

[inland jewel]

is it gay to give your rival your pjs?

the ones you were just wearing?

[rancid nymph]

Depends on context

Also, if you’re playing as the girl it’s not gay at all

[inland jewel]

turning your rival transfem

[amber garden]

Wally or Brendan/May

[rancid nymph]

#dev-updates

[amber garden]

so brendan/may

[amber garden]

also thanks

[atomic hornet]

You're not serious right? Frog likes pokemon from those gens, he's explained many times that including gen 8 and beyond would require rewriting the base code due to a lot of issues with pokemon essentials, since he rewrote a lot of essential's code specifically for pif. He tested a new version of essentials that contained gen 8, but that version had so many issues that it was basically incompatible. The amount of work that would go into something like this would at least take a year of dedicated work, and he has so much to do already

[velvet root]

Huh I am sure he once said he isnt really a fan of the gen 8+9 mons so he doesnt care even more

I mean things can change or be misunderstood

[stray spear]

I thought i heard that too

[atomic hornet]

Yeah lol, that not to say he doesn't like some pokemon, or would let something like that limit what he puts in the game for players enjoyment he genuinely tried for you guys since he cares about the community

Snom was a big topic one day, that little guy is worth it in my eyes

Just please, all I ask is that misinformation isn't spread. It really is the technical limitations at this point

[stray spear]

Damn that sucks

How come that new version of essentials has so many issues? Is it not as maintained anymore?

[atomic hornet]

I think its maintained, they just released a new version in the past year or something like that, but they changed certain things for seemingly no reason and it caused a lot of issues. Lag and framerate issues which caused the speedup function to break or be taken out, the way fusions work was completely incompatible and would have had to be completely rewritten from scratch, and thats the tip of the iceburg. Its more or less actually completely incompatible

[stray spear]

Oh yikes

[atomic hornet]

He was at it for a few weeks cause he wanted to surprise everyone, but truly it wasn't feasible

[stray spear]

Aww

Thats sad

[atomic hornet]

Maybe someday, but unlikely

[stray spear]

FROG IF UR HERE WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS

I still believe pif hoenn will be peak even if no gen 8+9

[ivory seal]

Frog is goated for deving this game for a long time

[stray spear]

Absolutely dude

This game is old at this point but it's still properly maintained every single day the devs are awesome

[atomic hornet]

No don't summon him, I'm sick of talking to him

[stray spear]

damn ur cold paya

By devs that includes you

[velvet root]

I wonder
Where does Frogs working alone policy come?

[ivory seal]

Paya is awesome too

[atomic hornet]

Pif 1 is all him, I just help out and nag! And he knows I'm joking, we've become friends after working together for so long. We've been working on hoenn every day lately, I'm sick of talking about wingulls and their wings

[stray spear]

Ur still awesome smh

[atomic hornet]

No need to flatter, we're just people 😂 i appreciate it though

[stray spear]

But you're an awesome people

Take the compliment

[velvet root]

This convo kinda reminds me of a modder that was here who added gen 8 +9 mons bug free

[ivory seal]

Note to self, Payapon hates chicken wings

[velvet root]

But whatever we cant change anything about it

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-ruby-pokemon-sapphire-wingull-old-man-chasing-gif-23083422

[atomic hornet]

Mostly opening up to trusted parties over time and a new game is a huge undertaking. He started pif 1 as a side thing in collage and it wasnt serious with no time restraints, so naturally a brand new game is daunting

[stray spear]

I believe in u guys

[atomic hornet]

Oh?

[ivory seal]

Papapapayapon

[velvet root]

You never saw?

[ivory seal]

Your name brings me joy

[stray spear]

payaya

[ivory seal]

Ayaya?

[stray spear]

https://tenor.com/view/ayaya-yeah-happy-hapinness-kiniro-gif-12992329

[atomic hornet]

We're giving attention to Briney and Peeko, trust me 🙂 he has his own sprite so he isn't a boring npc

[atomic hornet]

Nope, I'm mostly so busy working in the files that I dont have a lot of time

Id be interested in taking a look if you can give me the info

[velvet root]

I could ask that person if you can dm him👀

[atomic hornet]

Keep in mind that I'm more on the creative asset end of things, while I would love to learn coding thats all frog. So I personally can't look at the code and make sense of it, but I would forward it to him to hear his thoughts

[velvet root]

Oh he knows him

[atomic hornet]

I guess they've talked before 🤔 I'll start talking about it with frog

[velvet root]

Yeah that person didnt say how it ended but since nothing got added and you dont know anything probably not that good

[atomic hornet]

Its entirely possible he forgot, he has a piss poor memory

[velvet root]

Idk

[stray spear]

Hes just like me fr

[atomic hornet]

Okay so he did look into it and there were some issues, and its been so long held forgot. He has his hands full right now, but he could revisit in the future since it would still be a big undertaking

[stray spear]

Well whatever he chooses to do i trust his decision

[atomic hornet]

Anyway, I dont know when the next dev update will be, we're hoping sooner than later. Its a major game mechanic so we want to have it more polished before we show anything. And unrelated, but our treatment of the evil teams will be closer to emerald, but that's not to say that we won't try to improve things further

[hushed axle]

I haven’t read through everything that Paya has said but v20 of pokemon essentials rewrote about 80% of the codebase so updating a massive project like this to v20 would require an entire rewrite of a good chunk of the existing code that frog wrote. So really the only option outside of that would be to manually code in all of gen 8+ in the current version which opens up a whole new can of worms with abilities, moves, etc not working correctly or causing bugs

[stray spear]

That sucks ass

[hushed axle]

So it’s not so much that the new version of essentials has issues, it’s that this game is so big that it would need to be rewritten for v20

[atomic hornet]

Thank you for explaining it better. I was trying my best to relay info from a while ago, but I don't have the same background

[hushed axle]

V21 also rewrote basically everything v20 didn’t so

[stray spear]

I sea

[hushed axle]

I’ve been dabbling in essentials for over a decade now and I have yet to finish a project so I’m just impressed by how much frog has done in PIF

[stray spear]

Yeah there's a bunch of stuff

[hushed axle]

Instead of finishing my own game, I find bugs in frogs and send them to him

-# which speaking of, Adonis and I found a new bug, Paya

[atomic hornet]

Oh boy, can't wait to see what it is this time

[summer apex]

• open software
• work for 4 hours
• make no progress
• repeat every day for 3 years straight

it is, unfortunately, relatable

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-the-essay-hilarious-haha-gif-3565665

[summer apex]

actual footage of me working on WIP(3)_new project_final

[hushed axle]

It’s just me fr

[trail hull]

For a time staff member apparently said that frog didn’t like gen 8 mons might have been a rumor but it started from there

[inland jewel]

I akin it to having to rewrite a sentence that has been through 3 languages translations and trying to guess the original sentence

since Frog changed the code FROM Essentials into his own code to make fusions work, and then Base Essentials rewrote it to their own language when V20 came out. and then idk if V21-V22? did another overhaul when Gen 9 came out.

looks like V21 did, so thats 4 languages translations lmao

Frog Code -> E17 -> E20 -> E21

[stray spear]

Nah I get it

Dw

[hushed axle]

Frog had made a comment about Gen 8+ and not being very familiar with them and I think that’s where it stemmed from #pif-hoenn-discussion message

But there was likely a rumor long before that about it

[summer apex]

We can just. Start rumors? Damn

[inland jewel]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[trail hull]

Yeah i remember discussion about that from 2023

[summer apex]

alright new rumor time. The gen 5 starters aren't in because frog just really, really, really, REALLY hates tepig specifically

[molten loom]

It's very easy to start rumors

[inland jewel]

lmao, there was a time when movesets were gen 5 instead of gen 7

looking through the message history is wild

also yeah, the pokemon base for all gens 1-5 mons is gen 5

so any changes to stats/abilities Gen 6+ aren't implimented if your from those gens

[hushed axle]

New rumor, frog hates the gen 5 monkeys

#pif-hoenn-discussion message oh wait

[inland jewel]

another example of Frogman hating Gen 8-9

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[warm prism]

anything past Gen 7 is non-canon

Whew, my favorite Hoodie Owl is safe

Though remains to be seen if its base form will be available in PiF:H

[trail hull]

It’s crazy that just last year we reached 500 k members

[inland jewel]

as nintendo becomes greedier and greedier, more people flock to fangames

especially one that is well known such as PIF

[sudden jackal]

Hello fellow kirby

[trail hull]

Hi Kirby

[trail hull]

That’s why there is a gmax inteleon in the folders then

[spice sage]

Lol what is all this. I don't hate the newer gens, but I never did play sword and shield so I am very unfamiliar with them for the most part

I do like a good amount of gen 9

[inland jewel]

people spreading rumors that you hated gens 8-9

[spice sage]

Nah

And even if I did, it wouldn't matter. I've added plenty of Pokemon I don't like to pif

[inland jewel]

more in the fact people were asking why Gens 8-9 is still impossible, even though its been x amount of years

so this is their justification

and thats where the rumors of you hating gen 8/9 came up

[spice sage]

Yeah no it's engine limitations. And the amount of work that would be required to update the engine is just not worth it. Especially when there are so many older Pokemon that are still missing

[inland jewel]

yee, we explained that.

[spice sage]

Okay

[inland jewel]

its just funny because rumors

the rabbithole of what people say in this server is funny

[atomic hornet]

Let's move on. Its been established that its technical and not personal, so please don't spread misinformation and rumors. Not gonna lie it puts a little bit of a damper on all our hard work. Now back to hoenn discussion

[ivory seal]

There better be Mudkips

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/mudkip-gif-10506982

[viscid fossil]

I hope there is at least one Pokémon in this game
If not two

[atomic hornet]

That reminds me, do you guys wanna hear a funny story about testing?

Okay let me see if I can recreate it real quick cause its funny as fuck

[molten loom]

is it a debug npc like that old wartortle that made you bald

[atomic hornet]

Nope, but I found one of those in the corner of 104. Its a fusion sprite from pif 1 and only says "garurumon" or something it was for testing something, I forget what

[hushed axle]

That was great

[viscid fossil]

Not as great at the clown association

[thin pawn]

So based

[atomic hornet]

Okay so we have a new starter selection screen and a random sprite of that pokemon will show when you have that ball selected. We don't have a main/alt filter yet, so I got jumpscared when this popped up

this sprite is so fucking funny

[molten loom]

I think it also got jumpscared

[viscid fossil]

I have no words

[full bison]

I just hear the Werehog scream looking at this

[hushed axle]

Wait I love this

This is straight up what I look like when someone turns on the light when I’m asleep

[atomic hornet]

I absolutely had to choose him for that test playthrough poor little guy

[full bison]

There's probably some amusing meme alts that could make this selection screen extra funny for randomizer modes

[thin pawn]

mudkip after falling down the stairs

[vagrant ferry]

Other than being patient what is the best thing a PIF enjoyer such as myself can do to support the game

I get that Nintendo may not like donations to be flying around

[slim otter]

Well, if you really wanna support the game, you can contribute to it by submitting fusion Pokédex entries or becoming a Spriter to submit sprites

[hushed axle]

Start spriting custom outfits

[stray spear]

PAYAYA

[atomic hornet]

It means a lot to hear this, but we can't take any donations due to nintendo's wrath. Even Frog having some sort of patreon or ko-fi as a general programmer and not mentioning pif at all would still be a huge risk. I guess that's one way to know that its truly a passion project lol, I personally get paid from how happy the project makes people

We love for people to just enjoy it, but if you really want to contribute you could:

• Try to help us write custom pokedex entries #dex-entries-submissions
• Make sprites for the game #spriting-guidelines
• If you're a spriter, you can salvage abandoned sprites that were archived. We could always use assistance in helping these poor guys see the light of day https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1110687947004583946
• Character customization (dear lord we need that ) #custom-outfits-submissions
• Reporting bugs in #tech-support
• And coming over to my dungeons in #1052360360172199977 if you see a sprite that's incorrect or something. Also if you become a spriter, you can fix any sprites in that section that has the needs fixing tag assigned to the report

Every fix is one step closer to giving players the best experience possible, especially since in the early years there wasn't a whole lot of quality control. I'm sure there are other ways to contribute, but those are great starting points and what comes to mind right now

There's also becoming a staff helper if you qualify for certain roles, or working towards becoming one if you don't qualify yet, we could always use help! For more info on those, you can go over to #become-a-staff-helper

there we go, formatted to look pretty

[hushed axle]

Paya giving the most detailed answer

I love you Paya

[atomic hornet]

I love you too

[stray spear]

Ill apply to become a Chansey when I hit day 30

[atomic hornet]

Its tough to become a chansey, make sure you study a lot of reports to get ready

||but omg that would be amazing, I have barely any active ones||

[stray spear]

I'll be one then !!!

[atomic hornet]

good luck, I'll be rooting for you, but I wont go easy on you

[stray spear]

I don't expect you to

i noticed there arent a whole lot of active ones so i thought that'd be helpful

[marble meadow]

there is something i Wonder about flabebe line when it is in if will it take 4 slots cuz of eternal floette or how would the line work only time will tell

[full bison]

Eternal Floette probably wouldn't be considered given how similar it is to the original

[quaint matrix]

"But what about Light of Ruin" it's in the game as part of a legendary move tutor don't worry

[sudden jackal]

Omg this is amazing

Paya Ur just the best

U and frog

[atomic hornet]

This, and if we added in eternal floette it would be like adding in shadow lugia, which isn't in the game sadly

[hushed axle]

Shadow lugia when

[atomic hornet]

Right? we have it as self fusions, so that would be the best case scenario for floette

[hushed axle]

I feel like it would be one of the first sprites made

[atomic hornet]

I would be disappointed if it wasnt dont disappoint me spriters

[velvet root]

@atomic hornet if you guys want to do more dev updates you guys could reveal the dex a little bit each week or every 2
Like Regional dex

[atomic hornet]

The dex? This game will have the rest of the hoenn pokemon+a bunch of whats already announced 🤔

[trail hull]

No it will be a diglett

[velvet root]

Sure but stuff like Fletchling got reveald to be in already iirc

[trail hull]

That’s the best screen ever

Wonder how the custom starter one will look since you only have one choice (that you already made)

[hushed axle]

Is it gonna just be the dex as it is right now in PIF? So like your starters are gonna be numbers 276, 279, 282?

Or will there be a regional dex that’s more specific to Hoenn and then a Nat dex that would match the PIF dex?

[velvet root]

Yeah also Radar mons and stuff

[hushed axle]

-# I think that’s more along the lines of what ZeroCipher is talking about at least

[velvet root]

I agree I think thats what Zero meant

[trail hull]

No surely he talks about something else , I know zero better then you random person

[velvet root]

But yeah IF also has many non Kanto mons
So leaking Hoenns Regional dex with radars and so bit for bit can keep the hype up a bit more and also give team wild more work (also guessing wise)

[velvet root]

Could be maybe he meant the gen 10 Regional dex with the Komododragon pokemon and the new Ultra glove that adds all past features in one game

[trail hull]

Yeah if the available mons for the first few area gets revealed before the demo team wild can complete them

[trail hull]

😆

[trail hull]

So we would have a fully custom sprite demo

[velvet root]

Talking about completing I think we need a stampede soon
Im unsure what we include tho

[atomic hornet]

Ohhhh I see, honestly I dont know if it will be a hoenn and nat dex situation or all nat. I'm not sure if frog thought that far ahead either or if he knows for sure which pokemon will be in hoenn

sorry that's such a lame answer

[trail hull]

No it’s not

It’s normal

We can expect the team to have it all planned out

[velvet root]

I mean I dont think we would fill Hoenn with all previous Pokemon but idk
Cant read frogs mind

[atomic hornet]

nah, there will be pokemon thats exclusive to each game to encourage trading with yourself

[velvet root]

Yeah as I expected
Prob just unknown what mons

[trail hull]

Make mudkip pif 1 exclusive

[atomic hornet]

could you imagine? man that would piss a lot of people off

[velvet root]

Make the gen 3 Pokemon pif 1 exclusive

[trail hull]

Will the demo include other starter set ?

[atomic hornet]

Dont know tbh. I'd say probably not but knowing frog, he probably already programmed it

[trail hull]

Oh okay

[atomic hornet]

one sec

yep its programmed in, so theres a good possibility he'll keep it in for the demo. I just dont know for sure if he'll enable it or not

[trail hull]

Yay

One last thing, Paya do you know if anything is planned for 750k members?

[atomic hornet]

Dang it's coming up already? Neat

[trail hull]

Yes we’re at 746k

Can’t believe 500k was last year

[atomic hornet]

updated this too, we should probably pin it somewhere lol

[marble meadow]

what about Battle frontriers

[atomic hornet]

Too early to comment, our main focus right now is the demo

[marble meadow]

ok i may test out the Demo if i have time got a few things to do

spriters and everyone involved in if u are all awesome

[sterile spoke]

Oh this starter select screen is stunning! ❤️

[atomic hornet]

Right?? After thinking of the concept and making a prototype, we went over to one of the pif projects for help and someone from there made these amazing pokeballs it came out perfect

I forget who made the background, it might actually have been frog believe it or not. Its been a while so I'm not 100% sure

[hushed axle]

-# Do you know how badly I wanted to pin the mudkip?

[atomic hornet]

I guess that'll do until I can think of a more proper channel could you imagine if we pinned this in both general and sp.general? Might actually get some help 🤔

[atomic hornet]

I mean... you could do worse with your power

I wanna go to bed soon since its almost 5am (got carried away with reports lol), but I want to talk about some silly bugs we've encountered gotta spread them out though. Then maybe make a funny bulletin post with all of them

[atomic hornet]

Sweet! You're a bit early, it's not out yet. Love the enthusiasm though!

[hushed axle]

I really need to go eep since I have work tomorrow

[atomic hornet]

I was about to tell you to go go bed, but I'd be a hypocrite

[hexed agate]

@hushed axle @atomic hornet go to bed

I just woke up and I'm on a similar enough time zone to both, so that means I'm right and you're wrong

[shy condor]

nah you go back to bed also pory

for solidarity

[atomic hornet]

Yeah its 6am for you, sleep in

[hexed agate]

I'll have you both know that I did

It's now 7 so I am on the bus that I nearly missed

[trail hull]

If the background and pokeballs are separated then custom starter will be easy to implement then.

[sand cedar]

Another paya-tastic day

[spice sage]

Yesss the background was me ||just editing official assets together|| But yeah the pokeballs turned out so good! A few people actually submitted designs but the ones I ended up going with was from @slim otter

[sterile spoke]

Well done, you've earned the Spriter role!

In all seriousness though, it's genuinely such a cute spin on the Hoenn starter select screen. 🙂

[sudden jackal]

I would laugh if he actually have himself the spriter role

[crystal cosmos]

Well if he made one more non-collab sprite he would qualify for Sprite role

[spice sage]

Reminder that one of my two fusion sprites is this mess. I would not qualify

[hushed axle]

In the time between Payas message and yours, I passed the fuck out

[ivory seal]

Papapayapon

[sudden jackal]

I love it! make this the server icon for April fools or smth this is peak

[trail hull]

we need 4 more frogman fusions for the official pif team

quick evolve thatr guy

[frosty patio]

They’re puffing so much love into this game holy

[full bison]

That's what makes so many fangames so great: passion

[golden onyx]

i cannot wait to bring in my level 100 mewceus and obliterate literally everyone

[green laurel]

i cant wait for zygarde to be the first mon in the hoenn dex

[inland jewel]

For his hard work the staff team should decide next fusion days’s addition

[thin pawn]

That would mean it would be in reverse alphabetic order

I guess we really are going from Z-A huh

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[tropic dew]

Honestly, I figure that the mons available in a Normal Mode run will probably be the whole original Hoenn Dex, plus whatever handfuls of pre-existing Pokémon from PIF's National Dex would make sense as living in a particular area. THEN in the postgame, maybe find a way to work in an outbreak mechanic that has a chance of letting Pokémon not typically available in Hoenn show up on certain routes.

but like... limit that to regular Pokémon and maybe some Pseudo-Legendaries. Postgame Mythicals and Legendaries should still be primarily encountered via Events and such.

[wraith cave]

What is the hoenn project? Is it a new infinite fusion game or will it be a part of the original?

[hushed axle]

New game

[prime dust]

as sapp said new game

current PIF lacks the map space for Hoenn to be added

rpg maker has a map limit of 999 and PIF is using 847 of those

152 ain't exactly enough to cram the entirety of Hoenn into

littleroot town is like...6 maps by itself

[wraith hinge]

so that's why we don't have the last 2 towns in Johto, finally know why now

[hushed axle]

-# That’s not why but sure, let’s go with that

[wraith hinge]

flabberghasted

[full bison]

Abomasnow is going to be added after everything else. F for all 20 of the Abomasnow fans

[gray stream]

from z to a?

[wraith hinge]

ha I get it

[gray stream]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-tyrunt-tweets009-legends-za-pokemon-legends-gif-7637727953668352562

[wraith hinge]

are you telling me that they added the kalos fossils to Z-A don't they know they could've made those dex slots literally anything else

(obvious sarcasm)

[gray stream]

I know right 😭 I despise tyrantrum and aurorus, they should have never existed in the first place

[rancid nymph]

Me with the Kanto starters

[gray stream]

Me with every pokemon

I despise pokemon

[tropic dew]

to be fair, you CAN make more than 999 maps in an RPG Maker game, it's just exceedingly difficult to do so, because actually editing those separate maps and implementing them becomes significantly more tedious and difficult overall, since the editing software is hardcoded to have that soft 999 map limit.

it would take significantly more time and effort, not to mention making sure the maps are properly compatible with the included scripts and such.

[prime dust]

those 2 towns, the routes they add, and some nearby areas would barely dent that remaining 152 maps

from what I remember [possibly very wrong with this]

they weren't included because the towns held little interest outside their gyms

[tropic dew]

I mean, the same can be said of like... most of the townss that host Gyms in both Kanto and Johto. Celadon and Goldenrod get a pass because of the Department stores, and Saffron is the place where a good chunk of the Team Rocket plotline centers

[prime dust]

yes but those are also story tied

[tropic dew]

Celadon in particular also has the Game Corner

Fuschia ha the Safari Zone

and then... Cerulean City is next to the Cerulean Cave, a postgame area.

[prime dust]

Olivine and Cianwood just kinkd of fade into the background because there's no real story reason to go there

[tropic dew]

Yeah, but I'd argue that was due to the decision to have their Gym Leaders be encountered in the Sevii Islands instead when the rest of the Johto leaders had proper gym battles

which conversely made it more important to explore the islands they appeared at

when otherwise there was no real reason to visit them without those additions to the storyline

like... yes, going to Olivine and Cianwood proper is rendered moot by encountering Chuck and Jasmine in the Sevii Islands instead, but that's clearly a consequence of making that creative decision to begin with.

[quaint matrix]

I understand development decision to not add Olivine and Cianwood for reasons back then but saying one of it being "there's nothing interesting in the town" after putting Jasmine and Chuck away from the town gyms into the Sevii Islands is crazy ngl

[tropic dew]

yeah

like whose fault is that, hm?

[quaint matrix]

There would be no purpose to Viridian City either if you chuck Giovanni's Gym battle in Mt. Ember lol

[tropic dew]

or no purpose to going to the S.S. Anne to get HM01 if there's no shrub to cut down in front of Vermillion Gym.

In fact, the S.S. Anne remains in port in PIF for... what reasons, exactly?

[trail hull]

to get trubbish I think

[quaint matrix]

Also Olivine got the lighthouse and I think the lighthouse's cool

[tropic dew]

Can't you get Trubbish in just about any other trash can though?

[trail hull]

Maybe

[quaint matrix]

They're sticking around there so that you can get Torkoal

[tropic dew]

I'd argue there's no reason NOT to add Olivine, Cyanwood, and the surrounding areas, if there's more than enough room for them, under the pretense that if a reason could be magic'd up to actually visit the last couple of non-event Sevii Islands, then a reason to actually visit Olivine and Cianwood, regardless of whether it'd be story relevant or not, can be considered as well.

and then of course, in Cianwood's specific case... the Photo Studio could be worth looking at, if only to explore how such a feature could be adapted to suit PIF.

[ancient shale]

does anyone know if pif hoenn will have Sw/Sh or Sca/Vi pokemon?

[inland jewel]

confirmed to not have them

not a priority and the move to include them will take at least 3 years if not more

so the effort is being made to add the rest of the dex (mons 4-7) which is much more dooable

[quaint matrix]

If you want to wait you might wanna wait until everything from Gen 7 and below gets added

Then we'll see from there lol

[slim otter]

The reason for those cities not being there is not that there's "nothing interesting there"

As the game gets closer to its map limit, it places more of a strain on the game, making things laggier and sometimes buggier

They were getting close to their map limit and didn't want to push it too far

There have been other, more important things to add that affect more than the postgame, such as character customization and several bugfixes, so those few places after the main game weren't a priority

It's not that they weren't interesting, they were just shelved for a bit due to more important work needing to be done

In recent updates, unused map space is being slowly cleaned up, and Frog has said he would like to add those cities one day

[quaint matrix]

Mmhmm, I never said there's no good reason of course

The "not interesting enough" is a bollocks reason though

[slim otter]

Postgame content just isn't very pressing when a large amount of players, perhaps even most players, never play through the postgame

[hearty night]

yeah

[spice sage]

It's a bit of both honestly. The map limit is very overstated, there's still plenty room and even if there wasn't there are ways around that. But the main reason why I originally decided split the postgame between Johto and the Sevii islands instead of just Johto is because the sevii islands offer more interesting environment and make things a bit less samey than just having two more johto cities. And I don't want to just add the cities for the sake of it without anything to do in them.

But yeah I do have plans for an olivine and cianwood update eventually too, it's just not very high priority at the moment.

[quaint matrix]

You'd probably want to coincide with adding new Legendaries too lol

I know Olivine would love a certain gang of Three Musketeers mon

[sudden jackal]

How was your day man

Or if it's early how was Ur sleep

[spice sage]

Well, I woke up like an hour ago so

I slept good lol

[viscid fossil]

Can't wait for the tm payback update

[quaint matrix]

TM Payback?

[viscid fossil]

It used to be in the department store basement but was moved to the unused Goldenrod city map

[quaint matrix]

Oh yeah I remember that

[sudden jackal]

Have any dreams ya remember?

[narrow lotus]

Please tell me I wasn't the only one to see the zigzagoon preview and expected them all to just lunge

"We told you the tall grass was dangerous!"

[hearty night]

that would have been rlly funne

[atomic hornet]

I actually love this

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-punch-markiplier-punch-attack-fight-gif-23206537

[full bison]

Horde Battles confirmed!!!1!

-# does Poke Essentials even have support for that?

[hushed axle]

No

1v3 is the max

Mainly because where would the other 2 go

From the dev of essentials when asked;

My first recommendation is to figure out how to show five opponent Pokémon, and their information boxes, at once. Then you'll see why I don't support any more than 3 Pokémon on a side.

[coral dawn]

Stacked

[atomic hornet]

Yeah trust me, I was trying to make it a thing horde battles were neat

[hushed axle]

Technically could be possible

But uh

Would be interesting

Now a 1v3 followed by a 1v2 in a gauntlet style where they just happen back to back may work as a compromise tho

[slim otter]

You would have to use the box icons for the five opponent Pokémon to make them fit

[atomic hornet]

Imagine if there were fusions. It would look silly

[summer apex]

1v5 but it's like the big bird battle

[hushed axle]

I guess we need to have custom party icons then

[sudden jackal]

Ya Know what would be cool a volo type optional boss battle

Idk how possible it would be to make it so it's a team of 6 then smth like a ||triple fusion|| all in one battle so U can't heal or nothing but I think that could be really cool I've actually already got a specific idea for this if frog or someone wants to hear

[spice sage]

heheh yeah I don't see how we could make horde battles work visually, but there actually is a new mechanic that will have 1v3 wild pokemon battles, which is probably as close as it gets to hordes

[stray spear]

I like that

[spice sage]

I'm really excited to show you guys that one and all that goes with it

[stray spear]

[sudden jackal]

Did ya see my message and if so what you think about it I've got a character in mind if U like it

[spice sage]

I don't know how doable it is but it sounds like a fun idea 🙂 feel free to detail it in #game-suggestions or in the hoenn suggestions form

[sudden jackal]

Where's the form?

[shy condor]

#server-forms message

[sudden jackal]

Thx

[sudden jackal]

Just submitted and while typing I got new ideas so it's slightly different than what I was originally thinking and I added more simpler ideas for the other questions

Sorry if the last ones are a little ranty I just typed as I thought

[trail hull]

Only 3k members before we reach 750k

[quaint matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-gif-26230616

[trail hull]

a few days ago we reached 746k and now we're already at 747

I think we reach in the first 2 weeks of november at most

do you guys think we could get a special event for the occasion

[velvet root]

Nothing with new mons

[full bison]

At most a single mythical but that would be pushing it

[trail hull]

yeah I know that

[rancid nymph]

Plus, the only good ones left are Shaymin, Victini, Keldeo and Hoopa

[hushed axle]

We should get another trollfish for fishmas

[viscid fossil]

we're counting on a very merry fishmas
we're count on a merry holiday
we're counting on each other to not make poor frogman suffer
with all the mons we want on fishmas day

[gray stream]

wishiwashi and alomomola

at the same time because I said so

[hushed axle]

Add Alomomola so that everyone can ask how to evolve luvdisc

[shy condor]

evil

[gray stream]

how to evolve luvdisc

https://tenor.com/view/alomomola-heart-fish-fish-out-of-water-pink-fish-sunfish-gif-2069669776498554565

[rancid nymph]

Bold of you to assume that people don’t already do that

[hushed axle]

If you narrow it down more

[rancid nymph]

And that’s exactly why I want a bot message that says “you can’t evolve X Pokémon”

[hushed axle]

If we get alomomola I will specifically add a response for Luvdisc saying that it doesn’t evolve

[viscid fossil]

that's cool but how do I evolve tauros into bouffalant

[rancid nymph]

You might already have to do that for Carbink

Because I’ve also seen that one multiple times

[hushed axle]

[rancid nymph]

Mind you, I think Diancee SHOULD be a Carbink evolution (if it exists at all), but that doesn’t change reality

[fathom basalt]

i've heard that luvdisc evolves if you toss your 3ds into the ocean. on a more serious note though, i think i swept brock with the gift luvdisc so its not without use

[hushed axle]

I mean it kind of is

You get diancie by force feeding a bunch of Pinkan berries to carbink

[rancid nymph]

Not in terms of gameplay

[hushed axle]

[viscid fossil]

in-lore diancie was a carbink that just kinda woke up like that one day

[rancid nymph]

I really wish you could do that with your own Carbink

[hushed axle]

Could you imagine waking up and looking in the mirror to see you’re pink now?

[fathom basalt]

have to agree, carbink and diancie look related

[hushed axle]

They are related

But gamefreak hates us

[rancid nymph]

But gamefreak likes making Pokémon that you can only get for a limited time for some reason

[hushed axle]

Don’t even get me started on the shiny SV box arts from this month

I’m still so pissed about that

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-see-my-class-gif-15768348532634343334

[hushed axle]

Basically

[clear lichen]

Look on the bright side! This time it's only a shiny and not a straight up full Pokemon you're missing out on

(Still absolutely dogshit)

We need to kill whoever keeps making these mystery gift Pokemon only available in a handful of regions

They're probably the same person behind trade evos tbh

[rancid nymph]

The distribution method was significantly worse though

[viscid fossil]

whose idea was it to release a pokemon distribution at the same time as new pokemon cards in this economy

[hushed axle]

I got a single code from cousin who works at GameStop, didn’t redeem it because I wanted Koraidon and didn’t start Violet yet. Yesterday I went to start and redeem it only to realize it fucking expired the day before

[sudden jackal]

Oh that sucks!

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/why-whyyy-neden-ağlamak-üzgün-gif-19603232

[clear lichen]

Man wtf

That's so fucked up

[hushed axle]

Here’s the thing, even if they do a distribution where you have to go to a store, that’s fine. But don’t use these stupid fucking code cards that scalpers can just take and try and sell

They have an app that they’ve used for like 6 months back in 2018 or smth

[clear lichen]

I disagree it isn't fine I don't want to book an entire ass flight to get a Pokemon

[hushed axle]

It’s called Pokemon Pass

They used it for Let’s Go

I know you hate let’s go

[fathom basalt]

trade evos were less egregious in gen 1. it was a different time. it was realistic to get trades done. but, they should have probably had the link cable item accessible after that.

[clear lichen]

I wouldn't know personally, but tbh if I want to laugh at something in Gen 1 there's so much unique jank to it to laugh at that I don't think I'd bother even bringing that u0

[sudden jackal]

Yeah they need to make link cords a renewable resource in all mainline games

[fathom basalt]

region locked events really are pretty uncool though

yeah gen 1 has loads of jank by modern standards. it's actually kind of charming to me though

[sudden jackal]

It's really shit of them to make it so every game can't be completed with just 1 device and copy of the game

[clear lichen]

I can't wait to evolve my Pikachu with a Growlithe

[clear lichen]

Yeah it's so jank it's kinda impressive

[viscid fossil]

You know that happened to so many kids and nobody ever beleived them

[clear lichen]

You can then evolve Growlithe with... Missingno?

[fathom basalt]

yeah yesterday i learned about a gift pichu with surf you could only get if you deposited 1000 mons into your gamecube

[hushed axle]

Here’s my take on trading nowadays; it’s really not much different than it was back in the day. The only difference is that it’s all online rather than in person. You can still trade with friends, the difference is now you can do it with friends across the globe

You don’t need to have two copies. You just need to have friends which most discord users don’t

[rancid nymph]

The only problem is, you need to pay to trade with friends online

[clear lichen]

Exeggutor evolves the Nidos, and Psyduck evolves Exeggcute

Among others

[viscid fossil]

and then the servers shut down

[clear lichen]

Onix will be able to evolve Staryu

Man I love Gen 1 jank

It's so amazingly stupid

[fathom basalt]

yeah trading online on x/y was pretty good, i traded a bunch of shinies i got by fishing for legendaries

[viscid fossil]

but what can you evolve using a burn heal?

[hushed axle]

And back in the day you needed money for a link cable

[clear lichen]

Only Gen 1 can have a type erroneously do literally 0 damage to another where it's supposed to do SE damage

And then have it not even matter either ways

[rancid nymph]

At least that was a one time purchase

[clear lichen]

Because the only Ghost move this effects is Lick

And the only Ghost type is Gengar

[hushed axle]

Nobody I knew only had one. Cause they always broke or got lost

But yes

[clear lichen]

Gengar Lick does barely anything to Abra even if it was SE, for reference

[hushed axle]

In theory, it should only be a one time purchase

Anyways, this has gotten very off topic for PIF Hoenn

[clear lichen]

True

[viscid fossil]

I love using a 20 power move with an attack stat of 65!

[fathom basalt]

i'm very pleased to learn there will be another game

[clear lichen]

Wait how did we even get to this topic

I just saw something something shitty distribution

And went

[hushed axle]

Diancie

[clear lichen]

"Hey I hate shitty distribution I actually have stuff to say"

[clear lichen]

Ah

Fair enough

[hushed axle]

I wonder if frog is gonna make all of the legends and mythicals available in Hoenn or just some of them

[full bison]

Probably just a handful of them

[viscid fossil]

luvdisc -> alomamola -> diancie -> event mons in general -> online features -> trade evos -> gen 1 jank

[hushed axle]

Which all started from fishmas in Hoenn

Full circle

[trail hull]

I think a lot will be pif1 exclusive

[full bison]

There's more than enough Mythicals in waiting for addition for Hoenn to have a good amount of unique ones

[clear lichen]

How does one go from Alomomola to Diancie

[hushed axle]

Carbink

[full bison]

Pokemon that should be related by evolution

[trail hull]

carpink

[viscid fossil]

luvdusc does not evolve into alomamola
and carbink does not evolve into diancie

[clear lichen]

Tbf making Carbink evolve into a mythical is

A bit weird

Even if they are canonically related

[hushed axle]

Well yes, we know why but it’s still dumb

[clear lichen]

Luvdisc into Alo though yeah no that's valid

[hushed axle]

It was more the comparison of how many people ask how to evolve both here in the server

[clear lichen]

Would actually give Luvdisc a reason to exist apart from Heart Scales

And looking cute I guess

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/luvdisk-gif-10609830052267649882

[rancid nymph]

A classic “shift from one topic of conversation to another until you stop and wonder how you got there” moment

[viscid fossil]

If one more peson asks how to evolve non-galarian farfetch'd into sirfetch'd then I am going to lose it

[full bison]

Funny thing is Alo being added wouldn't even be the most trollish Fishmas move. Some people would genuinely like having it around for it's high HP and Regenerator ability. It would quickly find a home on the Showdown channel

[fathom basalt]

i mean you can just fuse it with an alo, close enough