pif-hoenn-discussion

[dusty arrow]

new ice type magikarp just dropped

(shout out to eminemace)

[stoic canopy]

…wait…do we really only have one wolf Pokémon? Cus mightyena is like this weird hybrid of a wolf and a hyena right? Do we really only have rockruff and its evos as the only true wolfs?

[hexed agate]

Zoroark is a weird wolf-fox hybrid, no?

[stoic canopy]

Always saw him as more fox like then wolf. The whole illusion deal is definitely more fox.

[hexed agate]

It's super fox-coded, but I feel like anything you can't attribute to fix can be explained my wolf

[dusty arrow]

arcanine, lycanroc

[stoic canopy]

I thought that zoroark is like almost one to one a Japanese fox yokai though. Like the only thing unique is the color scheme

[dusty arrow]

the legendary beasts technically

[tacit saddle]

the legendary beasts are CATS and i will hear NOTHING LESS

☝️

[dusty arrow]

ehhh

i think suicune is more dog-like than entei and raikou

raikou is clearly a sabertooth tiger and entei is based off lion drawings

its mostly due to the longer snout

since canines tend to have longer snouts than felines

[stoic canopy]

Arcanine is more a lion dog than anything. The hisuen form makes that more apparent

[tacit saddle]

apparently mueno saito himself said theyre based off of felines

[dusty arrow]

but saito says its based on a leopard-

yeah

[stoic canopy]

And I said rockruff and it evos are the only true wolfs anyway.

[dusty arrow]

also smeargle is a dog

and houndoom

[stoic canopy]

So not wolfs

[hexed agate]

Zacian?

[dusty arrow]

yeah smeargle is a beagle and houndoom is based of hellhounds, and (maybe) cerberus

we are talking about mons in infinite fusion i believe

[tacit saddle]

my favorite PIF mon

[hexed agate]

[dusty arrow]

and apparently houndoom might be inspired by the thylacine?

aka the tasmanian tiger or tasmanian wolf (its a marsupial)

[stoic canopy]

…yea I guess zacian can work? I just tend to blank on gen 8 all together for my own health.

[dusty arrow]

so yeah it does seem like if we just want purely wolf fusions we have to use lycanroc

[stoic canopy]

That’s weird, there’s like 7 fox lines but only like 3 wolfs

2 of them form the worst Pokémon game ever.

[dusty arrow]

thievul, delphox, ninetales, zoroark

we only have four (five if you want to count alolan ninetales as separate)

[stoic canopy]

6, hisuen zoroark

[dusty arrow]

oh yeah

and for wolves we have

arcanine (sort of)
lycanroc
zacian and zamazenta

[dusty arrow]

wait no 7 is right

eevee is based off of fennec foxes iirc

nvm its not based on any specific animal

it has traits of foxes, dogs, and cats

[stoic canopy]

Ahh yea…so that number can potentially explode into like 18 now if we want to open up the can of worms called “what are the eevees based on?”

Well ok more like 12

[hexed agate]

Same with the Johto trio though

[dusty arrow]

sylveon: rabbits, apparently (or a cabbit? aka cat/rabbit hybrid)
vaporeon: catfish (but literal)
jolteon: maybe based on the raiju, so thunder dog? otherwise, it could be a dog, fennec fox, coyote, jackrabbit, or hare, also maybe porcupines
flareon: fox + cat + bnuny
espeon: cat
umbreon: also cat
leafeon: cat + fox
glaceon: cat + fox

so the overall majority is cat

[hollow plume]

absolutely not, we already have chimchar we don't need any more monkeys, especially these lame ones

fun fact, none of the legendary trio of johto was based off dogs, they were based off big cats

entei- chinese lion, raikou- sabertooth tiger, suicune-jaguar

[full bison]

Speaking of dogs, isn't it crazy that we still don't have a Dog starter after we've had 2 Cat starters? Feels like something we should have gotten by now

And no I don't count Eevee as a dog, it's more of a fox

[craggy pine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/470035676650536981/1307221796042309662/image.png?ex=673a2d6b&is=6738dbeb&hm=72c34fa3e4cf2e626c2f86a650f4e853cd77feb1a30a0eb64835bfda8c1e9e3c&

[somber path]

real

also, are we still getting new fusion pokemon?

like new actual pokemon

[hushed axle]

Check out #announcements

Another 31 mons will be added in 6.3

[somber path]

WHAT

[craggy pine]

Up to 501 total

[somber path]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-dancing-dance-moves-video-game-gif-17945073

[hushed axle]

Someone’s got a list floating around here somewhere

[somber path]

thats fucking fire

im actually hyped now

holy moly

[craggy pine]

I have no idea how you're in this channel and don't know, but cool now I get to be here for you being happy about it

[hushed axle]

There it is

[somber path]

oh ye i already saw that but like after that?

i thought i heard somewhere that that was all they were doing

[hushed axle]

Who knows. It’s up to Frog

[somber path]

its sick either way

[craggy pine]

They've said "that's all" like a dozen times since I've been here. It's all for now though.

[somber path]

terraria dev activities

[full bison]

We'll probably get more Pokemon added next year at some point, but who knows

[hushed axle]

If frog sticks with the schedule, we can probably get 20-50 next fall

(Northern hemisphere fall, southern hemisphere spring)

[somber path]

ahh mmhmhmhmhmhmh

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

[full bison]

As long as the repo doesn't get pulled out from under us again

[hushed axle]

I mean that doesn’t really have anything to do with adding new mons

[craggy pine]

I know a guy that might be able to privately host it...

[hushed axle]

Would be unfortunate though

[tacit saddle]

based

[somber path]

wait how od i do this

?ref

its like that

[brittle crow]

?tags refs

[opal trail]

There are no tags that match your search.

[brittle crow]

?tag references

[opal trail]

Are you looking for sprite references? Use the Dropbox to find what you are looking for: Dropbox Link

[somber path]

ty

[hollow plume]

poocher n mighter

[hexed agate]

poo n meh

I would love to use the color palette though

[next flare]

You sure about that?

[deft obsidian]

Depression ahh pallet

[unkempt kernel]

This is perfect for Grimm fusions

[clear lichen]

How do we turn a dog into a whatever the hell Grimm is meant to be

Well, Hyena

But shh

[unkempt kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/rwby-grimm-rwby-grim-rwby-goo-goo-monster-gif-12763087164434097572

Beowulf

Probably a fusion with like, Marowak or something similar

[lethal oriole]

Marowak and Ursaring?

[unkempt kernel]

Maybe for the Ursa Grimm ye

[hard trench]

is 6.2.4 still the lastest verson rn?

[brittle crow]

6.2.4 main ver
6.3-2 beta

[carmine iris]

skeledirge way better than marowak for this, shame it isnt in the game

[unkempt kernel]

Ye which is why I said Marowak cus no gen 8+ (Which means no Zwei )

[potent crest]

when is my goat Greninja getting added

[tacit saddle]

next update

check pins for the full list of 6.3x mons

[hearty skiff]

I mean, if you really want Greninja, then you can get the Beta Tester role from #roles

[gray vine]

^^

[quaint flax]

Hyped for all the Ludicolo fusion nonsense

[velvet root]

Did someone say GOAT?

https://tenor.com/view/goatishere-gif-26768694

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/gogoat-pokemon-grass-goat-bharal-gif-26484000

[velvet root]

How about joining the GOATED team! #1213539303876206643

[rancid nymph]

I would, but I can’t art

[velvet root]

We would still welcome you in there!

[trail hull]

and help you learn how to art

[tacit peak]

Man, if skiddo/gogoat was added..I dunno why, but when I first played Y it didn't make much of an impression. But I replayed it as Eternal Y recently and for some reason it just headbutted it's way into my top 2 for gen 6. Would be cool to make a fusion of each of my two favorites per gen.. Sandslash/Flareon, Tyranitar/Ursaring, Aggron/Altaria, Skuntank/Luxray, Galvantula/Braviary, and Gogoat/Carbink.

[velvet root]

Gogoat and Carbink exist

[tacit peak]

What, as a sprited fusion?

[velvet root]

jep

[tacit peak]

Huh, not quite how I imagined it tbh but pretty cool

I was kinda thinking of the leaves and horns being crystal but mainly the gogoat form

[velvet root]

I mean alts will exist so if you can draw you can make a concept art

[tacit peak]

That is definately not a skill I have, lol

There was one time I drew a piece of art for an online card game.. it was. umm....functional. I guess.

[fathom ridge]

It’s still better than an autogen

I wonder if 2025 is the year of the goat

[tacit peak]

Maybe they're just saving the best for last in the new version! I'm sure that's it..

[trail hull]

last year we had a christmas bonus ,this year it must be gogoat

[tacit peak]

Christmas themed gogoat would be amazing

[fathom ridge]

Actually that could make sense

Abomasnow would be more thematic tho

[velvet root]

Exist

[tacit peak]

This game/server are so amazing, everything exists

[hexed agate]

Me when all new Pokémon in gen 6 are in my top 100 gen 6 Pokémon (there were less than 100)

[trail hull]

there's at least one ref sprite for every franchise (not every that existed but for a lot at least)

[fathom ridge]

Do you like Carbonk pory

[hexed agate]

Yep

[velvet root]

#1213539303876206643 Nearly like there is a Team I started completly to enjoy Gogoat

[outer matrix]

gen 6 only had close to 80 pokemon introduced

[fathom ridge]

There were the Megas tho

[tacit peak]

Gen 4 is probably my lowest count for favorites, gen 1 the highest.. I think gen 6 is the second highest though.

[fathom ridge]

I have it the other way

Actually maybe gen 5 is above 4

[clear lichen]

My top 3 are Gen 9, Gen 7 and Gen 5 in no specific order

In terms of favourites (and probably also overall)

[fathom ridge]

Quite good taste indeed

[clear lichen]

Gen 7 claims one of the top 1 slots, Gen 5 claims the 2nd place and Gen 9 claims both of the 3rd places, and overall in S tier these 3 are the most common

If we talk purely about which region has the highest ranking individual Pokemon, Gen 3 would tie with Gen 7

You can probably guess which Pokemon I have tied with Lunala

[fathom ridge]

I really like that you have your tierlist with all Pokémon ordered

[hexed agate]

For me, probs Gen 2, Gen 5, gen 7 in no order

I should remake my fav Pokémon tierlist

@slate root you love tierlists, right?

[clear lichen]

I will say, Gen 2 does claim the 4th favourite spot

[fathom ridge]

Happiny of course!

[clear lichen]

Though overall I'm not a massive fan of Gen 2

[clear lichen]

Isn't Happiny from Gen 4

[hexed agate]

Yes

[fathom ridge]

I think no gen has a bad Pokédex in general but I think the weakest is gen 8

[hexed agate]

Gen 2 has P2, Stantler, Phanpy line, Murkrow, Heracross, amongst other bangers

[fathom ridge]

Idk, is there a baby Mon in gen 3?

[clear lichen]

Azurill ig

[hexed agate]

Gen 6 and gen 8 have underwhelming dexes for sure

[clear lichen]

And Wynaut as well

[hexed agate]

And gen 1 is too familiar

[fathom ridge]

Also ledian! (Don’t look at its stats tho)

[clear lichen]

I think the dex I find the weakest might just be the Gen 1 dex

[hexed agate]

Gen 4 has Chingling

Best baby

[tiny condor]

yo is there any news on eelektross yet

[fathom ridge]

Actually you are right

[hexed agate]

Can't wait to Pokéfan Chingling

[fathom ridge]

Still no funny eel sadly

[hexed agate]

90spdef don't lie

[clear lichen]

The designs there are a bit too simple for my taste overall, but that's to be expected considering it's the first instalment of the series

[tiny condor]

damn

[outer matrix]

the only chimecho sprite I have

[fathom ridge]

Why on arceus name does the 40 atk bug get iron fist

[clear lichen]

Is that Blackgaol Knight with a gun

[carmine iris]

ledian looks like mario

[tiny condor]

yes

yes it is

[hexed agate]

I think they strike a good line of simplicity and creativity, gen 1 is by far the easiest to draw and remember and imagine as a kid, and for good reason

[clear lichen]

Wow! Basically nothing changed

[tiny condor]

first person who pointed that out lol

[clear lichen]

I dunno I feel like Gen 1 is memorable simply because of how long it has been around for

[hexed agate]

By that metric, so should gen 2

And it truly isn't

[clear lichen]

If you released Gen 1 in a later Gen 1 feel like most people would not remember a lot of Gen 1 mons

[fathom ridge]

An questionable number of gen 1 mons get more heads when they evolve and not much more

[clear lichen]

Or remember them for negative reasons

[clear lichen]

I cant say for Gen 2 since my ass remembers every Pokemon instead of something important

[fathom ridge]

I feel like simple mons are done better in the modern gens

[outer matrix]

I also have this for chingling

[hexed agate]

They're simple, but they're enjoyable

[fathom ridge]

I do enjoy the magnemite line tbh

[tacit peak]

Probably true. I can't forget them though, since they were such a big thing as a kid

[hexed agate]

Because they're no longer simple

They have little tidbits baked in, instead of "rock"

[clear lichen]

What's an overtly simple Pokemon you just like for a reason you can't explain?

Mine is Flamigo

[fathom ridge]

Pyukumuku is very simple but it is also cool

[hexed agate]

I also like Flamigo

[fathom ridge]

Mine too

[outer matrix]

pinichurchin

[clear lichen]

I have 0 fucking clue why I like Flamigo but I do

[fathom ridge]

In this house we appreciate flamigo

[hexed agate]

But Pyukumuku is deceptively simple, it's part of its design

Same for Mimikyu

[fathom ridge]

He is my amigo

[clear lichen]

Mimikyu isn't that simple imo

At least, not comparable to most of Gen 1

[west sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-kabuto-red-eyes-gif-18855962

[fathom ridge]

Maybe

Is moushold simple?

[hexed agate]

Newer gens have simple mons, but they're simple in the sense they don't have a lot of things going on in the 1st place, not that there isn't much at all

[fathom ridge]

I really like how the mice evolves

[clear lichen]

I mean it's 3/4 cartoon mice

[clear lichen]

A lot of Gen 1 mons definitely are guilty of that too tbh

[hexed agate]

How fast can you convey one of the newer mons vs a geodude

[clear lichen]

Depends on which newer mon

[tacit peak]

Ursaring for me. I'd say it's simple at least.

[fathom ridge]

But is that bc geodude os better or bc geodude is older

[clear lichen]

But Geodude is just a rock with arms

That's not very hard to explain

[hexed agate]

Gen 1 mons are simple, but they were limited on how they could look since you had a 2 color canvas with as much resolution as a glass tile

[clear lichen]

It floats in game but part of me feels like that's only because it would look incredibly awkward otherwise

[fathom ridge]

I do think gen 1 mons could have aged worse tbh

[west sonnet]

It could walk

With thos hands

[hexed agate]

But that's what I mean, that's all there is to Geodude

[fathom ridge]

Some are really cool still today like the nidoran line

[hexed agate]

No innards gut arm, no shadow under the cloak, no moving spikes, just rock

[clear lichen]

Yeah, that's why I'm not a massive fan of Gen 1 overall but can't really blame it for that

[next flare]

Versus something like Cetitan

[hexed agate]

And the tuck roll

[fathom ridge]

Pikachu might unironically be one of the best gen 1 designs

[hexed agate]

I like simple

I like the fat rat

[clear lichen]

I'm not a massive fan of Pikachu but I kinda have to agree when its competition is stuff like purple rat and pigeon

[fathom ridge]

Pikachu is good simple! It has the red cheecks, the thunder tail and not much else but it looks cool

[hexed agate]

Cubone is awesome, and a lot of the interest in its design comes out of its lore

[fathom ridge]

I feel like if we weren’t over saturated with the rat we would like it more

[clear lichen]

I am a bit negatively biased towards Pikachu though mainly because of my older experience with the fanbase and the obnoxious amount of attention it receives compared to Raichu

[hexed agate]

I feel that gen 4 is the turning point for that simplicity

[tacit peak]

Pikachu would probably have gone over with me a lot better if it wasn't for the over-representation and "look at me I'm so cute", lol.

[hexed agate]

Since it's where we just give things evos, and expand the canvas greatly

[fathom ridge]

True gen 4 feels like a turning point for Pokémon designs, but I like the direction they took

[hexed agate]

Gen 3 has some simple mons that just work

Wingull, Makuhita, Spoink

[next flare]

There’s that Charizard Garchomp comparison image that supports the argument

[hexed agate]

Me too! But I feel that the early simplicity goes underappreciated

[fathom ridge]

I think all gens have Pokémons that just work tbh

[hexed agate]

I mean true, but gen 3 is the last place you see really simple designs that stand on their own without any added interest

[fathom ridge]

Fair but idk I still feel like some of the design of gen 1 were a bit lacking

[hexed agate]

I mean, in contrast to the newer stuff, sure

[clear lichen]

I do not care about "Oh but Flamigo is a boxing glove" shit this is definitely mostly just a lawn flamingo

[hexed agate]

But I don't think they were lacking because they were bad on release, y'know what I mean?

[clear lichen]

An angry lawn flamingo

[west sonnet]

There will be no slander to my boy

[clear lichen]

That tries to slaughter you

[fathom ridge]

Idk if this is true, there are a lot of later gen mons that don’t have added interest

Like tinkaton!

[west sonnet]

Flamigo rocks and if you disagree you’re a fool

[clear lichen]

I like Flamigo too

[hexed agate]

You mean its entire hammer?

[clear lichen]

But it is definitely simple on the level of a Gen 1 mon

[west sonnet]

And I think that rocks

[fathom ridge]

Ohhh added interest means like exaggerated design elements?

[hexed agate]

Yep, Flamigo definitely hits that mark

[hexed agate]

Yep

[fathom ridge]

What about lokix or however the ninja bug is called

[hexed agate]

I love mons like Charjabug, that make a lot out of little input, it that makes sense

[fathom ridge]

Or mousehold!

[fathom ridge]

Grubbin line mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-vikavolt-charjabug-gif-9816156

[hexed agate]

Maushold is still more complex than Magneton lmao

[fathom ridge]

I mean I think I could debate that

[hexed agate]

Between Tandemaus and Maushold, and Magnemite

Maushold changes design aspects, Magneton just... Evolves

There's a visual difference beyond just quantity with Maushold

[fathom ridge]

Magnemite has magnet, screws and the eye, mousehold has ears face and body pattern

[fathom ridge]

Ohhh

That’s true

But idk if that’s a good thing

[hexed agate]

Magnemite isn't a mammal, kinda hard to abstract it more

[hexed agate]

Not necessarily good or bad, just simple, and a product of its time

[fathom ridge]

Like it works with diglett bc of what it’s base on but I like magnezone a lot more

[hexed agate]

There's a reason the gen 1 kids can't really reenter the space

[fathom ridge]

Gen 1 was very very different but not only on the design tbf

[hexed agate]

Yeah, it was also the pioneer

I think it did what it has to do wonderfully

Also, gen 1 didn't have to entertain ipad kids

[fathom ridge]

Tbh, for the time those games were super duper awesome

[hexed agate]

The colors for gen 1 are way more drab

[fathom ridge]

But idk if that have aged that well

Fire red is very good tho

[hexed agate]

I think they aged about as well as they could, considering the current scope of the franchise, and the change it went throughout

[hexed agate]

[fathom ridge]

I do think other gameboy games have less bugs, but it’s very important to consider that it was the first game of gamefreak

Or was it? I do t remember

I think they did one before but idk I might have been a port of something

[hexed agate]

Pokémon is magical with its math tbh

[sullen elbow]

Not even close

[outer matrix]

"can we have missingno in PIF? "

[slate root]

I don’t love tier lists. I LOVE tier lists

Speaking of which, I think it’s approaching the time that I revise my every mon list again

[clear lichen]

I hope you don't take over a year to make those tierlists like I do

[slate root]

It took me 6 months to make the initial version

[alpine rune]

Can you rate my tier list?

[trail hull]

S tier

[carmine iris]

L tier list cuz you want tornadus in the game

fuckin hate that guy

[slate root]

The first mon there is Mightyena so I’ve gotta give bonus points for that

Don’t show @hexed agate though or there might be trouble

[spiral musk]

they aren't ordered alphabetically or by pokedex number /10

[slate root]

Yeah but they’ve got Blacephalon so it makes up for it

[alpine rune]

[slate root]

Blacephalon would be super sick for fusions

Love that funny guy

[spiral musk]

all the 🤡 who would be made
fuse it with Mr mime or mime jr for the ultimate clown

[hexed agate]

I'll join you

[hexed agate]

I've been making a list of all the Mightyena apologetics

[slate root]

I made an updated one with all the new stuff like Pecharunt, but I can't find it

gonna be mad if I can't figure out where I saved the image

[hexed agate]

I want to remake mine

[slate root]

I believe in Mightyena supremacy

[hexed agate]

[slate root]

https://tenor.com/view/mightyena-gif-25825783

[hexed agate]

[rancid nymph]

-370/10, Luvdisc is garbage

https://tenor.com/view/mightyena-pokemon-grr-angry-pissed-off-gif-10515045

[slate root]

Unbased alert

Luvdisc is just a little guy

Friend energy

[hexed agate]

[rancid nymph]

All the Luvdisc need to be brought onto land to do whatever the fish equivalent of drowning is

[hushed axle]

I think it’d be suffocating

[hexed agate]

Fish can still drown

[hushed axle]

?tag feesh

[opal trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245396302427062282/1291528737376047154/from-kanto-to-your-table-the-best-sushi-in-the-johto-region-v0-4eu46720g6891.webp?ex=67006d5e&is=66ff1bde&hm=882b7622a5c23cded595c74a76211759a186d96ec783fb68918210bada10caab&

[hushed axle]

Or they’re lunch

[gray stream]

mightyena is alright, i just don’t understand how it can compare to my goats delibird and ribombee

[slate root]

Good fella

[latent karma]

When will the new sprite pack be released

[proud lion]

Tomorrer most likely

[brittle crow]

He double posted and frog answered in general.

[proud lion]

So not tomorrow then

[hushed axle]

No, it’ll be delayed

[full bison]

"when it's done" is a good mentality for stuff around here in my experience.

[hushed axle]

Pretty much. Nobody gets paid to be here, it’s all volunteer work

[tacit saddle]

pay me NOW!!!

[prime dust]

invalid due to the fact the monkeys aren't in their own tier below this one that just says "monkeys"

[inland jewel]

i wonder how frogman is feelin this year

i know last year was a 50 and then a 4 mon update

this year its 30, but do you think he'll do another mini 4 mon update?

[full bison]

Some of the additions last year were basically an apology due to the code for one of the Pokemon Frog wanted to add not working properly, right? Everything seems in order this time around, so that doesn't seem likely. Maybe there's something up with Gourgeist, but that's the only Mon I could see having issues

[rancid nymph]

What’s wrong with the monkeys?

[hushed axle]

There is a potential bug with Gourgeist having like no attack stat lmao

[inland jewel]

no, last year was the community added 20. 2-3 mods added their own mon due to contributions that significantly changed how the game worked

a few were mod additions for their hard work of running the server

One were contest winners for winning their contests

and the rest Frog added because he wanted to add them

via he thinks they'd be neat for fusions, they were to add missing things (like finally getting an official snow warning mon), etc

[west sonnet]

And some to troll the fanbase

[spice sage]

No? Cresselia and melo came in a later update because they were voted in late

[tacit saddle]

corrected by the dev himself

(i jest)

[velvet root]

They are bland but weird thats why many dislike it

[agile olive]

why their movesets so ass tho

like maybe they should get pledge on level up or something at least

[long umbra]

how is you all getting the new pokemon

[velvet root]

What?

[inland jewel]

Since you got the beta, then you should have access to most of them

Anything past 492 isn’t in yet though

[opaque ether]

One day they'll make it in. One day.

[trail hull]

assuming we get 30 mons each time there's around 1/10 chance that the mon you want (from gen 7 and below) will be added to the game

[inland jewel]

hope at least one of my controversial favorites gets in

[velvet root]

Who are the controversial ones?

[inland jewel]

Watchog

Purugly

Alomomola

Aka 3 of the bottom 5

[velvet root]

I like that one

[inland jewel]

It’s a good one

Sadly ranked like 5th least favorite or something

[velvet root]

Least voted doesnt mean it cant get in
The middle field is actually bad

I want him in the game cuz he turned out really nice

[inland jewel]

Watchog would be a blast to work with

Amazing color palette

[civic rapids]

I actually prefer Almomola over Luvdisc tbh lol

At least the fusion gag of two Luvdiscs making Almomola can be a thing now 😅

[velvet root]

When Alomomola gets in it maybe becomes the evo

[trail hull]

frog said no

he considered it at first but now decided to not do it

[next flare]

It was done just 4 minutes after the Luvdisc announcement

[civic rapids]

Yay 😆

[tacit saddle]

jesus, really? 😭

[next flare]

I kid…

It was first done a 1.5 years before

[tacit saddle]

LMAO 😭

first #sprite-gallery luvdisc post was an hour after the announcement, good lord

[molten loom]

Do we have a luvdisc/luvdisc diancie joke alt?

Because of the bit of trolling they did with the announcements

[tacit saddle]

dont think so

theres only the almomola and then 2 discs kissing

[next flare]

Luvdiscs forming the silhouette of Diancie

[tacit saddle]

someone get on it

[outer matrix]

For some reason, this gives me mad scientist vibes (probably due to luxray's hair)

[carmine iris]

yeh it has that vibe

[clear lichen]

Might also be the eyes a bit

[dusty arrow]

put a lab coat on it

it would be pretty funny

[cedar path]

that'd be a fun alt

[dusty arrow]

also daily reminder

(im not giving up)

ive been awake for almost 24 hours i think im losing it

but im fine

[spiral musk]

go to sleep

[dusty arrow]

im not gonna sleep at 12 pm

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-3-sonic-the-hedgehog-3-gif-9278727812532617993

[velvet root]

Thats Watchogs eyes

[wide merlin]

First descember, the update soon right ?

[prime dust]

we don't know

it could be this month

could be Feb

once frog feels like the 6.3 update is stable enough he'll put it out

[tacit peak]

The waiting is so hard. I'd just come back after nearly four months away and found all this stuff waiting for me.. my will is not strong enough.

Would probably help if I wasn't kinda between games atm.

[bleak sedge]

Whats special about this upcoming update?

[orchid bolt]

character customization, and a lot of new mons

e.g. kalos starters

[hushed axle]

New sprite repo + 31 new mons + character customization

[bleak sedge]

Oh nice, just came back after 7 months and was curious what the hype was about

[tacit peak]

I've played the beta up to vermillion so far, the customization stuff is awesome and comes from all sorts of places. Like, smashing a rock in Mt Moon and I got an aerodactyl skull hat.

[fallen loom]

I'm waiting for official release and the rest of the mon to 501

[gray vine]

beta is official

[hushed axle]

Beta isn’t an official release tho

[civic rapids]

oh wait, so this next big update is coming with the next sprite pack?

I'll wait to do a next playthrough then 🙂

[hushed axle]

No

6.3 doesn’t have a release date. Best guesstimate is between sometime this month and February

The sprite pack should be released sometime within the next week depending on when kiwi or paya get back from vacation

[civic rapids]

ah I see, thanks 👍

[hollow plume]

waiting for mighters to get added

[hexed agate]

[outer matrix]

imo, mightyeana might not make it in next year

depending on next year's vote and bonus picks

[hollow plume]

it should, its awesoem

[inland jewel]

if the votes are the same as this year then the mon that gets added willl be Salazzle or Excadrill

i hope Frog does get to add Barbaracle because then we can get Tough Claws plus cool barbaracle fusions

[proud lion]

Same

[outer matrix]

a tough claws user is definitely needed since dusk form lycanrock isn't ever going to be added

[full bison]

Mudsdale would be nice to have so we get Stamina and more than one user of STAB High Horsepower

[fallen loom]

next year troll pick is Alomomola

[full bison]

I'd actually be happier with Alomomola

[fallen loom]

mythical is Magearna

new triple fusion: Meloetta, Diancie and Magearna

[full bison]

Would that fusion have both Aria and Pirouette forms?

[fallen loom]

the "default" one I guess

I think next year will add the Cosmog line

alternate box legendaries and starters

next year the rocket from Hoenn will go to space and find Poipole line and on the way back to Hoenn, Archeops plummeting

[outer matrix]

why these 3 in particular?

[fallen loom]

popularity vote winners will be:
Tropius
Spheal
Petilil

[fallen loom]

because they make sense to me

[tacit saddle]

theyre all elegant and similar in aesthetic i suppose

but would there be 2 diff triples for aria and pirouette?

[cedar path]

that triple sounds like it doesnt like a single fighting type move to the face

[shut walrus]

it'd be psychic/normal/rock/fairy/steel?

that'd be just a x2 weakness to fighting

[velvet root]

I can see it either being Psychic/Rock/Fairy or Normal/Rock/Fairy

[shut walrus]

yeah I think psychic/rock/fairy fits best

or psychic/steel/fairy but that kinda just vibes-wise feels like magearna 2

psychic/rock/steel would be funny but I feel like you sorta need to have fairy in there

[velvet root]

Tbh Fairy would fit perfectly in it but at the same Time could feel weird cuz 2 of the mons are fairys

[shut walrus]

yeah my exact thoughts

[marble meadow]

Malamar would be a fine addition for the next batch

[velvet root]

I can see it getting cool Sprites but making any is hard imo

Even more if you want to keep the upside down concept

[carmine iris]

I asked a xatu, they said,

1. Mudsdale
2. Keldeo
3. Zebstrika
   

[full bison]

I'm most hopeful for Mienshao for the next batch, if not the UBs. My pie in the sky wish is for Bronzong.

[tacit peak]

You guys keep misspelling Gogoat. 😁

[opaque ether]

Indeed.

[wide merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-10093852890875433850

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/cryogonal-happy-pokemon-gif-27367599

[misty siren]

hey does anyone know when and how often the refrence dropbox refreshes

and gets renewed

[hexed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-bronzong-my-beloved-bronzong-my-beloved-beloved-bronzong-gif-24311855

[hexed agate]

It's hand-kept by an user afaik

[misty siren]

Oh whoops im in the wrong channe;

Ah okay

[hexed agate]

But yes you are

[misty siren]

[proud lion]

These are the ones I prefer to have in a further update (minus Luvdisc as they were already added)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1277795821680590918/image.png?ex=674f01d8&is=674db058&hm=f53623e2c4c247f8fe6daf2a4b01ab0c30a57d42216d64d3d48088133345066f&

Amolamola would be raised to a 1 after the public vote happened

[hexed agate]

Saved, we have next year's picks ready

[proud lion]

If there was a theming to the batch, I would be okay as long as it’s not every 0 ranker

Like Grunt mons, Unova sweep, etc

[hexed agate]

Even X

[outer matrix]

Luvdisc should be removed in that image because it's already going to be added

[proud lion]

Grunt Lineup would be:
Numel Line, Zigzagoon line, Croagunk Line, Patrat Line, Purrloin Line, Seviper and Zigzagoon, Cryoganol, Mightyena Line, Manetric Line, Skorupi Line, Salandit Line, Heatran, The Tapus and Cosmog Line

[proud lion]

That’s why I said minus Luvdisc

This was before the Jangmo line was revealed

[outer matrix]

ngl, I can see lots of good fusion ideas with these Pokémon

• Creating custom patterns for Vivillon
• detective theme with gumshoos
• wachog's safety vest pattern and eyes
• burmy's forms can be represented by different things

[light garden]

Edit this to change the output of the custom command 75!

[trail hull]

Finally we got a confirmation that we're getting new mons next year

[hexed agate]

You wish

[spiral musk]

but luvdisc's already in...
no way, luvdisc2 might be added??!

[hexed agate]

[inland jewel]

i would kill if they add cryogonal

[velvet root]

I wouldnt mind them too much all have a interesting niche and Plusle/Minun are a funny troll

[inland jewel]

yee, we need more early game mons

[autumn radish]

Oh well, Volbeat, Illumise, Plusle and Minun doesn't sound bad.
Not much for Basculin, but tbf, it has better stats than Ludvisc.

[wide merlin]

agree with you for lumineon

[hexed agate]

Adaptability is nice

ik what I'd do if we did Fishmas again

[autumn radish]

Mmmh, Watchog's safety-themed fusions and Gumshoos's detective-themed fusions doesn't sound bad. Plus, Gumshoos's good attack stats and Watchog's moveset could be a neat idea.

[hexed agate]

I want worker Watchog line of fusions

[inland jewel]

Watchog having the safety vest version of stay away from me

now i want to see Watchog/Absol

[hexed agate]

I want Watchog/Rhyperior

[outer matrix]

Wachog/Lurantis will have lots of yellow

[inland jewel]

what i predict the 2025 additions will be

based on what ive been seeing around the server + my personal wants

left = data while further to the right = what i want personally

[rancid nymph]

Justice for the Unova starters

[inland jewel]

yee, its highly likely they'll be added next year so im excited

[compact orbit]

Honestly, I think the update after this one should be “The Counterpart Update”. Give us black and white starters, Zangoose/Seviper, Lunatone/Solrock, Turtonator/Drampa, the Gen 5 counterparts to Gen 1 mons (examples being comkeldurr to Machamp, gigalith to golem, etc) and maybe Solgaleo/Lunala

And any other counterparts I couldn’t think of too

[hot idol]

Sawk and throh?

[compact orbit]

Yes!

Good call

Oh, and the unova fossils

Braviairy and Mandabuzz plus Passimian and Oranguru too

[inland jewel]

while Gen 5 startesr would be nice

they were the least voted between the 3 starters remaining

hence why it was Gen 6 starters in this update intstead of Gen 5

[compact orbit]

Yeah, I know…

[inland jewel]

with Gen 7 being the next highest, thats where they're probably going to add next

[cedar path]

decidueye

[compact orbit]

I’m ok with that, I adore them all in Alola

[outer matrix]

The alola update

[cedar path]

its the only one i like lol

[compact orbit]

Incineroar is one of my favorite Pokemon

[inland jewel]

Primarina is my favorite water starter

[compact orbit]

And no, I don’t play competitive, despite my number one fav being Toxapex

[hot idol]

The alola ones are all really nice tbh . The typing could be quite fun to play around with in fusions too

[inland jewel]

plus finally more dark types

[cedar path]

we'd finally have a cat pokemon that isnt persian

[compact orbit]

Uh… Luxray?

[inland jewel]

sure we get Scraggy and Greninja this update, but they're still one of hte lowest amounts in the game

[cedar path]

Luxray is not a cat lmfao

[compact orbit]

Tf you mean, bro? Lions are just big cats

[inland jewel]

The alola update: Gen 7 starters, their legends, the UBs

[cedar path]

and yet no cat related fusions with it

[compact orbit]

???????

[molten loom]

Basically let's see how messed up frog can make the dex numbers

[compact orbit]

Have you seen Luxray fusions, like, ever?

[cedar path]

yes a lot of them are cool but most of them focus more on the "big scary" or "electric" part

[compact orbit]

…but they’re still cats

[cedar path]

except theyre not

[tacit saddle]

better word would be feline

but lions are cats

[hot idol]

I tell you what would be pretty good though . Superior fusions with contrary when the gen 5 starters do arrive

[cedar path]

when you say "cat" you dont think of lions

unless youre trying to look for a technicality due to a lack of actual examples

[molten loom]

We already got Lurantis and shuckle for contrary

[cedar path]

meowth would be a cat

[tacit saddle]

when speaking in scientific classifications, the feline family is "the cat family"

[inland jewel]

we literally just got Lurantis this update

[compact orbit]

That’s like saying “when you think car you don’t think of F1 racers”. They’re still cars

[cedar path]

Except that proves my point

when you say "Car" you think of a regular car

when you say race car you start thinking of those cars.

Clearly, you knew what I meant, and are just being pedantic

Either way, incineroar fusions (despite my disdain for the actual pokemon) are probably gonna be cool looking

[tacit saddle]

lions are cats, sincerely the science nerd, im out

[outer matrix]

Wrestling theme

[inland jewel]

Luxray are clearly not Lions. They are Manta Rays its in the name

[rain locust]

average categorization argument

[compact orbit]

…you know what, I’m done, you win, go have fun with your sad worthless victory.

[cedar path]

in the same way that foxes are dogs and that hyenas are cats, you dont think of them like that.

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-libre-pokemon-cape-gif-18495576

[rain locust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/862940088122867722/1192253422322319380/170432570918044026.gif

[tender plank]

hi chat

[gray vine]

quick whats race car backwards

[rain locust]

rac ecar

[compact orbit]

Girafarig

[gray vine]

damn you figured it out

[molten loom]

I don't even know what half of those things do

[cedar path]

im a nerd so i know what all of them do

[tacit saddle]

if you wanna say "like how foxes are dogs", that brings us right back to classificagtion. canidae doesn't equal dog, it means "dog-like". feline is "a member of the cat family"
so, there you go

[rain locust]

im a comp player/coder so i know what all of them do

[compact orbit]

also I know I said I was done, but hyenas are not cats, are you high?

[tacit saddle]

and also, hyenas areapart of the hyaenidae family

[molten loom]

How have I never of Perish now that sounds so funny

[tacit saddle]

id assume perish song

[rain locust]

its the label of perish song at 0 turns

[tacit saddle]

this poor bug fish

[cedar path]

its their closest relative, good enough

anyways

[molten loom]

Ah guess I didn't pay attention to it when I played showdown

[cedar path]

most people dont use perish song in showdown tbf

or you swap out before it ends

[gray vine]

mmh frozen, where is the ice type magikarp guy when you need him

[molten loom]

I did, in my big boss team

[tacit saddle]

if you're going to go based off of technicalities then that means we can also say "lions are cats" and say its a technicality but THATS the end of that, its a nerd argument

[rain locust]

yeah the only place its viable is like bh or ag

[molten loom]

With sound proof

So I force them to swap

[tacit saddle]

there are 32 status effects here btw

i know 24 of them

the rest? fuck if i know

[rain locust]

technically its called volatiles

[tacit saddle]

potato potahto

[viscid fossil]

Technically, they are volatile status conditions

[inland jewel]

which ones do you not know?

i can see if i can identify them for you

[sweet spoke]

It's literally just DoT's and arena trap lmao

[tacit saddle]

• clamp
• magma storm
• occtolock
• salt cure (sounds familiar)
• snap trap
• syrupy
• tar shot
• thunder cage

[light garden]

Edit this to change the output of the custom command 75!

[molten loom]

There should be another big boss tournament I had fun with it

[rain locust]

clamp, magma, snap trap, tcage: same as fire spin

[tacit saddle]

figures

[inland jewel]

Clamp- Prevents switching
Magma storm- Fire dots
Octolock- Prevents switching
Salt Cure- Rock dots (That super effect steel)

[sweet spoke]

Salt cure is a DOT from the nacli line that does more damage to water and steel

[viscid fossil]

Shellder move
Heatran move
Grappoloct move
Garganacle move
Honestly I forget this one
Hydrapple move I think
Coalossal move
Regieleki move

[rain locust]

octolock traps and lowers def/spd by 1 each turn

syrup bomb lowers spe by 1 each turn

[tacit saddle]

oh go figure i know none of them, ive never used any of these

[sweet spoke]

tar shot lowers something and makes you weaker to fire, right?

[rain locust]

lowers spe

[sweet spoke]

ah

[inland jewel]

Snap Trap is Galarian Stunfisk's sig move

[sweet spoke]

Ah

i think everyone forgot about that guy

[inland jewel]

since its a bear trap

[rain locust]

its such an ass sigmove

[inland jewel]

he doesn't have the bulk to pull it off

[rain locust]

bro got fire spin

[viscid fossil]

I do want to know how a magikarp got no retreat
Don't you have to use that one yourself

[rain locust]

myeah

it can get bpassed it though

[inland jewel]

no retreat is baton passed

[sweet spoke]

:O

i didn;t know that

[inland jewel]

baton pass says all status is transfered.

and the No Retreat status prevents you from manually switching

which is funny because i think it can be psycho shifted too?

[rain locust]

nop

trapping is not a status so it cant get shifted

thats why its important to distinguish between statuses and volatiles

[vague fog]

i wonder what it will be like if we can get the alola variants in game

[full bison]

That's the only way we're getting Galvanize, Surge Surfer, and Power of Alchemy in the game unless they're given to a Pokemon as a hidden ability like what happened with Flygon and Delibird

[velvet root]

[inland jewel]

to be fair, how many electric terrain setters do we even have in the game

so 0 terrain setters in the game, and 3 that learn the move naturally

[hexed agate]

Galvanize Magnezone

my dream

[full bison]

I suggested giving Galvanize to Rotom considering it lost its gimmick, it doesn't have a hidden ability, and Galvanize would go unused if it wasn't given to something as a Hidden Ability considering we aren't getting Alolan Golem, but apparently people don't want that

[velvet root]

Ngl that makes a lot of sense
Wasnt there a game suggsestion tab somewhere?

[hushed axle]

#game-suggestions

[velvet root]

||you forgot Gogoat||

[tacit saddle]

i would cry tears of joy if we got the alolan starters + box legends

[hexed agate]

I want Relicanth, the Regis need their guide

[tacit saddle]

EXACTLY.

[full bison]

That's where I put it in. People just didn't like the suggestion. And the only reason I was given was "Rotom doesn't get Galvanize in any of the main games."

As opposed to all those times Delibird was shown with Snow Warning in the mainline.

[velvet root]

You could have shown other mons with changed ability

[hushed axle]

Yea, it’s really up to frog at this point if he decides to use a suggestion or ignore it

[velvet root]

Relicanth is 10/10

[full bison]

Imagine Relicanth/Rayquaza just has the whole Sky Pillar mural along its side

[tacit saddle]

fuuck i need relicanth

[full bison]

I'm just imagining so many ancient artworks and maps being used in Relicanth fusions. Like fusing with Tauros to make the Lascaux cave painting, or with Torterra to make a map of Hisui on its shell

Also Head Smash Rock Head would be fun

[inland jewel]

in Delibird's case- He had two abilities that did the exact same thing, just called differently

combined with all other weathers had a setter with hail being the only one excluded

[hot hamlet]

If Durant got in, would a Double Durant be as tiny as Double Joltik, or a swarm of tiny ants?

[spiral musk]

it's a grey Heatmor

[west sonnet]

Whoever sprites it would decide

[next flare]

Likely not small like Joltik because it’s not that small as a base mon

[wraith mason]

Is Archeops in the game? I think it has amazing potential

[hot hamlet]

No

[wraith mason]

Damn that's a shame

[hot hamlet]

I mean, Joltik isn’t that small either in terms of sprite size, but the self fusions somehow make an even smaller variant (not counting the single pixel)

[gaunt knot]

You what a busted Pokemon don’t you Aspen

[wraith mason]

Who doesn't?

[gaunt knot]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-krabby-patty-smug-spongebob-squarepants-gif-9547716225990610286

[wraith mason]

[gaunt knot]

Psst, Aracnine,Slaking

[next flare]

Joltik is just iconic for being the smallest mon
Spriters just won’t make that connection with durant

[hot hamlet]

It’s an ANT

[tacit saddle]

a large one

[hexed agate]

A bullet

[full bison]

I really just hope the next batch has more Gen 5 and 4 entries. 4 got completely shafted and 5 didn't get too many itself

[vast nimbus]

Yo is meowstic in this game?

[molten loom]

no

[vast nimbus]

damn

[inland jewel]

you can ask in #ask-a-bot by saying where to find pokemon

and the bot will tell you if its in the game or not

[vast nimbus]

alright

[carmine iris]

MAN

[alpine rune]

👨 < man

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/jeonghan-horse-on-beach-jeonghan-man-jeonghan-jeonghan-silly-horse-on-beach-man-gif-13991646989968971533

[jovial plaza]

Horse

[dusty arrow]

thank you for giving me this (i love omega)

[sand mica]

Do you promise to add Grumpig to the game on or prior to March 26, 2026?

[steel meadow]

no

[prime dust]

what gets added and when is pretty much mostly up to frog, outside of the 2 community vote polls he's done

[alpine rune]

Honse

[tacit saddle]

weird lookin horse

[inland jewel]

i would love to see how likely a mon would have been added if it wasn't community vote

[near pecan]

why isnt mightyena in the game? Trying to get a full pupper team

[brittle crow]

reasons

maybe didnt win popularity vote

maybe wasnt an option

mayb frog didnt want it yet

mayb he'll come later

end of day

he is not in unfortunately

[near pecan]

ooo ok

[gray vine]

maybe he insulted his mother

[hexed agate]

maybe I lobbied against it (I didn't )

[hot hamlet]

Smeargle
Arcanine
Houndoom
Lycanroc (day and night)
Lucario (jackal is a canine)
Slurpuff
Granbull

A full pupper team already exists!

[brittle crow]

a full plush team also exists

right j....

[carmine iris]

Also suicune (idk what entei is)

[viral thorn]

Uhm ackshually all the legendary beasts are based on cats
Suicune is a leopard (I don’t see it either)

[hot hamlet]

Suicune is a leopard

[carmine iris]

Oh

Ok i prefer it being a leopard

Is entei a lion

[hushed axle]

I could see that

[carmine iris]

Way cooler than pyroar

[hot hamlet]

And Raikou is a tiger

The “Legendary Dogs” are really Big Cats, but you try correcting a near-30yo fan term

[eager jungle]

i'm only 22 yo, not 30

[hot hamlet]

28 you child!

You were born into Pokemon, I was created beside it!

[eager jungle]

[brittle crow]

If your birth year starts in 2000....

[eager jungle]

2024 - 22 = 2002 ... so yeah it starts with a 2

[agile olive]

💀

[trail hull]

If your birth year starts in 2020 how the hell are you on this platform

[cedar path]

nanomachines

[manic condor]

..smeargle is a dog ?

a BEAGLE

[eager jungle]

i'm a crab

[inland jewel]

Crab? Crabrawler to be added 👀

[eager jungle]

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-animation-monkeymeme-gif-20175736

[inland jewel]

Monke... the ELEMENTAL MONKE

They're going to be added!!! 👀

[hexed agate]

Simispark!!!!

[inland jewel]

LFG I love simispark

[prime dust]

if we're adding simispark, can we add regitube

[inland jewel]

RegiFight- the age of mankind that always Wars

[full bison]

Base 200 attack to be in line with all the other Regis, but is given a worse ability than even Slow Start to make up for it

[inland jewel]

200 base attack with 20 speed

[full bison]

Trick Room goes brrrr

[hollow plume]

because they want to break my poor little heart

[hollow plume]

jaguar actually

[hollow plume]

huh, i always heard ti was jaguar

welp

[hexed agate]

could this be a clue?

[next flare]

That’s an odd typing for a linoone fusion

[hushed axle]

Skuntank for community vote

[eager jungle]

what does "sku no one" mean

[hot hamlet]

Well… SKU is a term I was familiar with in retail.
So I think this means “barcode no one”

[velvet root]

Pov what Game freak did for the trump mon

[alpine rune]

How the fuck is it poison/water

[marble meadow]

Malamar would be a fine too has good potential

[alpine rune]

Would it be funny if we have to evolve inkay, we need to flip our computer?

[rancid nymph]

Corporate needs you to find the difference between this picture and this picture

They’re the same picture

[vague geode]

You need to take a screenshot of Inkay and flip it in an image editor, then insert that edited version into the game files

[hot hamlet]

Ctrl+Alt+⬇️ flips your whole desktop upside down. That’s what you have to do

[vague geode]

That would be really funny, I'm all for it

[inland jewel]

What about mobile and steam deck users

[full bison]

For mobile, hit the rotation lock button and flip the phone

[wide mulch]

Saw that on insta... seem to fit in a creepy way

[sweet spoke]

horrific

[molten bough]

jaja, i love this

but i prefer this

[hot hamlet]

jaja
Jojo

[queen grove]

This needs to be a custom. XD

[hot hamlet]

The features say “Mankey” but the overall shape of the Sprite says “This can work for Phantump too”

[velvet root]

What?

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-phone-gif-5747280

My phone hates me

[velvet root]

The moment you dont hate spriting the most hated early normal type

[hot hamlet]

When I first saw the Patrat, I thought it was Phantump fusion because the main body was the right size for the tree stump portion, then it trails off with the tail.
Also the paws and stuff line up well with the branches

[next flare]

Watchog isn’t the most hated normal type in overall?

[velvet root]

Early normal type
You know
rattata
Lechonk
etc

But what would be the most hated normal type

Miltank maybe ig?

[fallen loom]

how is Miltank that hated? It's just one Gym battle

[next flare]

Found a community poll with this at the bottom

[velvet root]

Looks like something you would put on a YT vid to get clicks XD
These are never that hated XD

[next flare]

Yeah, I think this poll only had 3 contributions

[velvet root]

Explains a lot

[wide mulch]

Thats fancy!!

[tacit saddle]

furfrou? i dont believe this.

[stray kayak]

Whose hating long Meowth?

[cold falcon]

what pokemon games can i download on pc

that are fun

besides infinite fusion

[hushed axle]

#other-pokemon-games

[clear lichen]

All of these are alternate forms

So it's probably people having a lowest tier for alternate forms

Which confuses tiermaker

Idfk

[full bison]

The only Terapagos form that deserves F tier is the one that literally only exists to sell plushies

[sterile spoke]

This is an insanely good sprite. 😮

How have I been won over by a Watchog sprite, of all things? 😂

[elfin forge]

Winter Sawsbuck in D feels illegal

[agile olive]

nah this is straight up wrong. who tf doesn't like maushold

[spiral musk]

I'm more surprised about terapagos in F tbh

[prime dust]

no that actually makes sense ironically

i've heard it isn't that great of a mon

[inland jewel]

Made only to utilize terratypes, real bad outside of it

[velvet root]

Just because a Mon isnt liked by many doesnt mean its bad

[dim sparrow]

what
why do people hate maushold what is wrong with them >:(

[inland jewel]

10 hit instakill pop bomb go brrr

[carmine iris]

Bro watchog looks like a mf you find at a construction site

[velvet root]

Exactly the point
He is partly
Or all jobs with a reflective warning vest

[west sonnet]

Was this a reddit poll?

[next flare]

Not to my knowledge
I found it on the tierlistmaker website

[full bison]

The Rocky Helmet in question:

[dusty arrow]

maushold when ferrothorn enters the game:

[inland jewel]

thats why you never click on pop bomb if you see them having a ferrothron (or anyone that would run rocky helm)

[weak trellis]

or anything that punishes contact damage like what's becoming increasingly the rage these days (blame kingambit, probably)

[full bison]

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that Gamefreak thought that Bisharp needed to evolve. It was already really strong.

and now we have Kingambit upstaging Landorus in the "absolutely everyone uses this" in Smogon OU

[inland jewel]

anything to get landorous out of OU

[full bison]

Still there

[inland jewel]

[full bison]

Less used than Gambit right now, but I imagine the loss of Tera will knock Gambit down a peg or 2. Still a top tier, just less

[marble meadow]

the moment of truth will it be a mid december or late december release or it will be january

[prime dust]

could also be feb

[hushed axle]

-# For all anyone knows it could be march. Only frog truly knows (maybe)

[outer matrix]

what if the update got delayed until the next batch (june)?

[tacit peak]

You're all wrong, it's actually coming out right about....now! checks announcements feverishly, then sighs Dangit.

[inland jewel]

that batch was due to not wanting to wati for all mos to be done

since they announced Meloetta but it wasn't done in time for the November release

and then the next 2 mons were supposed to also get in with Meloetta and the other mons, BUT they weren't done with them either

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-maushold-toxapex-pokemon-showdown-competitive-gif-8103213834499821571

[clear lichen]

Why are people talking about Kingambit losing Tera it was only banned in NatDex

And Kingambit was just unbanned there

It can't have more usage than Lando-T

[hexed agate]

I love running Maushold in any OM

Amazing fella

[inland jewel]

in the eventual future where king gambit shows up to Gen 10-11

it won't have terra to carry it

[acoustic compass]

That's gonna depend on if GF stop acting like cowards & give Aura Sphere to a lot more pokemon.

All jokes aside yeah that X4 fighting weakness is a big Acelies heel, even with Kinggambit's high Defense combined with its 100 base HP stat

[clear lichen]

Realistically, Kingambit will still be an OU mon even without Tera

But most certainly no longer one with usage rivalling splashable grounds like Great Tusk and Lando-T

Kingambit ain't like that fraud Regieleki

[clear lichen]

(Assuming they don't add 50 great Fighting types)

[finite reef]

I can't wait for Kingambit to get Knock Off for some reason in gen 10 so its even better

[clear lichen]

It wouldn't be "for some reason," Bisharp line only just lost Knock Off after all

And it's probably mainly because of Gambit

So ig it would be weird to give it Knock Off back

[finite reef]

I mean "for some reason" as in for some reason Game Freak decides to buff it lmao

[unique flame]

i think maushold a fair pokemon competitively they have counters and all, BUT OH MY GOD I HATE THOSE FILTHY RATS

[alpine rune]

this tbh

STOP HITTING ME STOP FLINCHING ME

[clear lichen]

If its flinching you that means it isn't running Wide Lens

So dodge

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-atfuraxx-gif-14120574

[carmine iris]

Mudsdale + another mon with healing moves

[marble meadow]

i wonder which malamar fusion would be best stat wise

[full bison]

Malamar would probably care more about what Pokemon would give it the best Contrary functionality, like Fighting types for Superpower STAB, or something with a move that lowers the users Speed

RIP Revavroom Spin Out synergy

[marble meadow]

shell smash malamar with item to neutrilized the stats that went down

[full bison]

Contrary Shell Smash would just be a worse Cosmic Power

[marble meadow]

anyway with malamar the move topsy turvy comes with it

[brittle crow]

Anything with contrary is instant V-Create fodder

assuming no showdown

[hot hamlet]

Bootleg Gen 8+
What would you do for the dreepy line? I’m thinking Phantump body for the ghost tail, and the Deino line for the dragon. That way you’d have Hydreigon’a extra heads be Dragapult’s little Dreepy missles

[marble meadow]

u know idontnow how good the trainer ai is but it funny the raise your stat if they use stat lowering moves on a contrary mon

[rain locust]

melop for stab superpower but idt itll be good

[full bison]

If every Contrary Pokemon pre-gen 8 was added, it would most likely be monopolized by Serperior

[velvet root]

Time for a non if fusion

[willow jay]

literally me

[nova slate]

I love this guy... wtf

[trail hull]

this could mean nothing , or something

[velvet root]

I would like Abomasnow for Christmas days

[spiral musk]

oh that would be great 👀

[alpine rune]

hm

Do we really want another water type though

As much as i love hoenn i dont want another water type

[tender plank]

That would be peak, I would do anything but die for that to happen (dying's reserved for touga)

[inland jewel]

i personally would not want more water types in the game

but if its like Lumineon, Relicanth or Alomomola, then i'll cover my eyes

[wide merlin]

Lumineon of course and i am agree for relicanth

[hexed agate]

Relicanth is muy hype

[spiral musk]

fishmas might a ref to the bruxish announcement

[fathom ridge]

There aren’t any lame fishes left right? Other than alomomola but be already have luvdisc so

[hexed agate]

So I take you're a Basculin fan

[inland jewel]

alomoloa and luvdisc aer different roles on a team

[fathom ridge]

Ohhh yeah basculin would be lame I just forgot it existed

[inland jewel]

one is a tank healer and the other is a fast support

[fathom ridge]

Yeah but they have very similar niches for sprites tbh

Pink heart fish

[hexed agate]

Alomomola has topside fins, while Luvdisc shouldn't have fins

[inland jewel]

yeah, and cacturne and maractus are both cactus for sprites, but still offer different roles on teams

[hexed agate]

Alomomola has actual volume to the body

[fathom ridge]

I guess you could do stuff with alomomola but still, its kind of a lame fish still

[hexed agate]

Cacturne and Maractus provide different body shapes and colors

Same with Luvdisc and Alomomola

[inland jewel]

like how Diancie and Carbink are both rock fairies, but Diancie is more humanoid gems while Carbink is rocky with gems outlines

[fathom ridge]

Lumineon would cheff kiss

[trail hull]

honestly any mon we gt (if we get any extras) would still be a welcomed addition

[hexed agate]

Maybe you're a lame fish

[fathom ridge]

No I’m an olive

[trail hull]

and if it's the mon you despise the most , at least it can't get added twice

[hexed agate]

Can an olive swim?

[fathom ridge]

Idk If olives float, I’d assume they do

[hexed agate]

You know what else floats?

Dead fish

You're a lame fish

[fathom ridge]

Ermmm can some moderator time that guy out his is calling me a lame fish

[hexed agate]

Just swim

[fathom ridge]

Actually can you time yourself out? Genuine question

[hexed agate]

Let's find out

[fathom ridge]

Did it work?

[velvet root]

I wouldnt call them Lame fish but unpopular fish

[hexed agate]

Nope

[fathom ridge]

Ah there goes the comedy gold

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/abomasnow-ice-punch-water-shuriken-mega-gif-26863562

[fathom ridge]

Abomasnow would be awesome!

I really like both its body and head potential

[velvet root]

Next year is year of the snake
Anything fitting for that one?

[trail hull]

seviper

[fathom ridge]

Snivy

Oh also zyguarde!

[velvet root]

Funny enough when year of the dragon started we got a serpentine for new year with cressellia

So maybe we get a Horse?

[tender plank]

cresselia's a serpentine?

[velvet root]

I hate that year of the goat is 2027 qwq

[velvet root]

jep

since Oras

[tender plank]

ah

[fathom ridge]

Well at least there is a year of the goat, there isnt a year of the railgun stagbettle

[velvet root]

So those are Serpentine forms

[velvet root]

The middle is seen as serpentine

[tender plank]

cl.
clawitzer..?
... i mean, sure-
WAIT IS THAT SANYGA-

[fathom ridge]

Holy moly let’s goooo charjabug my favorite snake

Ah yes sandigast, that’s a snake

[velvet root]

I mean hes sand he can change his form to move ig

[tender plank]

love how the pupas somehow count as serps

[fathom ridge]

Mimikyu true form doesn’t even look like a snake

[fathom ridge]

I mean yeah but then ditto should also be there

[velvet root]

Just let us add Eternamax Eternatus as only gen 8 mon XD

[fathom ridge]

Hand

[velvet root]

Ngl silicobra line would be fun if gen 8 wwas allowed

[velvet root]

Ditto is a blob

[fathom ridge]

Sandygast should probably be also a blob