pif-hoenn-discussion

[red plaza]

It’s just another slightly wider Meloetta

[hollow quest]

maybe her other form styles it

[silent acorn]

To be honest explaining the biology of legendary pokemon is like explaining to newbies that mew is a fetus

[hollow quest]

well it's one huggable fetus

[red plaza]

Biology of legendaries: :33???? :3 ?? (??)

[silent acorn]

It is, but if you just say that, everyone is gonna be confused

[white meadow]

so what does that make mewtwo

[silent acorn]

Meloetta has little legs for about the same reason Bellossom is a midget, because it allows for better movement.

[white meadow]

genetically modified mew

ig it's just fetus but not huggable

both r fetuses but 1 is smarter

[silent acorn]

Mewtwo is a sad mon let it be

[hollow quest]

i mean...mew convinced mewtwo by simply saying "mew" repeatedly, i think it might secretly be smarter

i know that's not how it actually went

[white meadow]

oh so it's just like with how cats mind control humans

[silent acorn]

Most canon fact about mewtwo is that it distrusts humans, hell probably having mewtwo on your team would be weird as he can read thoughts and speak through telepathy, way weirder than having Giratina scream

[hollow quest]

a few mons can speak though right

[silent acorn]

Slowking canonically can

[red plaza]

Can’t beheeyem speak too by uhh taking control of other people

[silent acorn]

Chatot

[white meadow]

didn't he break the 4th wall once

[red plaza]

Bring back chatot custom cries, Nintendo

[white meadow]

chatot banned again from competitive

[silent acorn]

Honestly rather meh feature That would need extra work for IF

[chilly stirrup]

Don't forget most/all pokemon movie legendaries and mythicals

[hollow quest]

and meowth...for some reason

[chilly stirrup]

tbf he learned through books

[white meadow]

only one specific individual

[silent acorn]

I think if a pokemon can learn that through that more pokemon can do that as well, meowth knowing how is... Just weird

Nonsense that there hasn't been an event meowth that had chatter

[hollow quest]

in fairness, that meowth is more for just comedic relief

[silent acorn]

That meowth is single handlely the best character and best meowth to exist

[red plaza]

Meowth taught himself English to get a girlfriend I love that guy

[white meadow]

(and then got rejected because that girl thought he was a freak for talking like humans)

[chilly stirrup]

and said girlfriend rejected him

[silent acorn]

The fun fact that meowth meets every regional feline only to realize they are not his type lol

[white meadow]

and purrloin was a male

[hollow quest]

there's plenty of cats in the neighborhood i guess

[silent acorn]

It's pretty sliccc looking

[chilly stirrup]

||perhaps Meowth has gay feelings?/j||

[silent acorn]

Purrloin falls on that perfect unisex pokemon design

Could be

[chilly stirrup]

same energy as Ash realizing Snivy and Elisa's Emolga is female

[white meadow]

(kinda understandable since 87.5% of the starters are male)

[hollow quest]

which is bullshit

[jolly elbow]

In the raffle Archen and Archeops were repeated yet lost.

[white meadow]

well even with two numbers taken it was still 1/6

[hollow quest]

especially in modern games, there are very clearly "gendered" starters, like incineroar, meowscarada, delphox and primarina

but yet the 87% rule still exists to make it confusing

if you want things to be more humanoid, you have to accept how they are perceived

[silent acorn]

I like humanoid, freaking people can like Ceruledge I am entitled to liking Lilligant

I just don't like them to be toooooooooo human

I also rather like object pokemon

[white meadow]

i mean a knight with blade hands does sound cooler than plant lady #5

[silent acorn]

Doesn't matter if its cooler, they are humanoid hence they are both fine

[hollow quest]

lurantis is kinda cool because it's still animalistic, but yet has some humanoid nods

[silent acorn]

I like it too it's not too much of the humanoid

[hollow quest]

like it seemingly wears pants

[silent acorn]

I like the fact most people think lilligant has always had 2 legs when in reality it has 3

[hollow quest]

then again, i liked lilligant more back when it was tougher and fighting type

[white meadow]

you almost made me google lilligant legs breh

[silent acorn]

You don't have to

[chilly stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/hisuian-lilligant-pokemon-gif-1347326271873289567

[silent acorn]

This is what I meant

By the way if hisuian lilligant was the one to be added I would hear you out on the rule 2 breaking, but since this is OG lilligant I am hearing none of it

[white meadow]

shame that the Sinnoh Pikachu clone isn’t getting in

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-celebration-woohoo-jumping-gif-25834998

Thing is, Pachirisu was good at countering the stuff for its time, but overall it isn't a quality mon not in competitive nor other things

[white meadow]

pachirisu isn't good just because one guy was able to make it work

[red plaza]

I just like the squirrel

[buoyant narwhal]

i tried lol

[brisk vessel]

Its cool that this was made on a calculator website

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pachirisu-dance-dancing-happy-gif-4996678

[white meadow]

the true purpose of learning math

[empty halo]

They need to add the lines of Munna, Minccino, and Petilil, since they appear as NPCs. Also, since they have separate numbers for Ultra Necrozma and Piroette Meloetta, Blade Form Aegislash needs to be added with the index number 329_1.

[silent acorn]

Petilil for Consistency Fix 2024

[buoyant narwhal]

My only problem with meloetta is that the other form is locked behind a mediocre move

[silent acorn]

I can vouch that between Munna and Petilil they are good

[buoyant narwhal]

At least aegislash's other form is easily obtained

[silent acorn]

I mean you don't need to use the other form, it's a nice type change but not gonna be mind blowing

[buoyant narwhal]

True tbh

[white meadow]

same

i had hope before they corrected pirouette meloetta dex number from 467 to 466_1

[spice sage]

I'm still kinda considering giving it its own dex entry and make both forms available outside of battle even though it's not how it works in the official games

[white meadow]

yes pls make pirouette actually viable!11!!1!

[brisk vessel]

That could be cool ngl

[hollow quest]

please do so

[weak trellis]

not just make prio viable, but it would also make relic song usable without forcing the user into a form that does worse damage with it

[sour stream]

honestly not too excited about this one for some reason

though.. lets do something silly

I have a silly idea IN my head

[sharp nebula]

yes yes please

[hollow grove]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-yeah-baby-woooooooooo-thats-what-ive-been-waiting-for-yeah-gif-22417308

YES meloeta is in the game

[clever atlas]

If you want pirouette to be actually useful, do that ASAP

[lofty spindle]

Do allow them to form-change in battle anyway then, though.

[white meadow]

Would be hella cool tho

[sour stream]

silly idea,.. that thing on the back is meant to be a concert hall

[rose goblet]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A EMPOLEON FERROTHORN FUSION IM BEGGING ILL PAY

[white meadow]

doesn't that already exist

[clever atlas]

Also wrong chat

[clever atlas]

Yeah no, i just checked daena and no it doesn't exist appearently

[white meadow]

oh

[inland mason]

I’m hoping for drapion archeops sigilyph scrafty and zebstrika

[obsidian wedge]

Hi

I hope we get Carracosta, Cinccino, Garbodor and the Unova Starters

[cobalt nebula]

I’m happy all those Meloletta fusions that were made before hand won’t go to waste

[paper merlin]

Were the other rotom forms added in this update?

[inland jewel]

no

[lofty spindle]

Scrafty could make fun fusions, lots of punks.

[silent acorn]

Oh that's a bright idea

[silent acorn]

I mean you can do whatever you feel better. I am gonna die on a hill saying that if Darmanitan did make it in, that it would be better if it's form changed happened outside of battle. I will die on that mountain saying that Mr Toad

[silent acorn]

see this birb? it's a flying island

[pine apex]

I'm thankful that bruxish didn't make it in

[spare talon]

Knowing Meloetta and people

[silent acorn]

||April's fools it will make it in||

[spare talon]

Many Miku fusions are inevitable

[silent acorn]

Pomni is inevitable, and yet here we are

[ivory rune]

theres already a Pomni fusion somewhere
it was definitely Mr Mime + something, I forgor the other part

[silent acorn]

See what did I say, inevitable, be thankful the clown UB didnt make it in, or the server would be flooded in Pomni

[ivory rune]

eh I dont think Blacephalon would really fit with Pomni fusions

[loud sorrel]

Why not? Lol
Just not that interesting or something

[paper merlin]

I mean, it’s a clown. People have made connections from less

Also side note, I would’ve preferred Xurkitree or Archeops, but Meloetta is going to be a fun addition.

[sour stream]

besically a small spindly.. "woman"

[ivory rune]

the music aspect definitely has some interesting ideas to it, but imo not as much as some other mons on that list or especially the ultra beasts

[sour stream]

the first idea I had was a torterra centaur, with concert hall on its back

[silent acorn]

Sus, very very very sus
Well I get that people don't like her, but it's a flexible design, just gonna mix the bits together

[sour stream]

yeah it's singing

[silent acorn]

By the way the image I shared of the bird was to give it you for inspiration, there is a digimon that's just a lady on top of a flying island

[sour stream]

maybe put some loud speakers

[silent acorn]

Walking stage torterra meloetta sounds fun

I should check daena and see what the stats would be

Not in yet well snap, I suppose we have to wait until they add her in an update

[sour stream]

if there was some mehcanic pokemon i could do a doof wagon

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-guitar-guy-gif-18984063

[obtuse silo]

I wanted to either make pidgeot or lapras with meloetta

But 0 time

[silent acorn]

Spriting takes time, you need inspiration

[paper merlin]

Alright which mon can we fuse with Meloetta to get Nonon

[sour stream]

blissey?

https://tenor.com/view/blissey-gif-23785507

[sterile verge]

love how much the community loves Meloetta, doesnt seem like anyone dislikes Meloetta

[sand fractal]

doesn't seem ? edit: oh

[sterile verge]

lol

[sour stream]

karaoke waifu.. nuf said

[obtuse silo]

If you look at the reveal you can see quite a lot of unhappy emojis

[ivory rune]

I'm pretty sure thats not really as much them not liking Meloetta, more them being sad the pokemon they wanted to get in not being picked

[sterile verge]

bouta say that lol

[obtuse silo]

Yesh i guess so

But also not that many sprites so far

[sterile verge]

i have a friend that was in udder despair shayman didnt win

[obtuse silo]

Lycanroc had suprisingly few sprites as well

[sterile verge]

probably just due to there not being a contest for em

happened to garbodor too

[obtuse silo]

Only a handful of people participate though

[inland jewel]

Lycanroc didn't have a contest for it, and any sprites that were made are getting in on December 31st at the earliest... so

[drowsy elm]

Meloetta is a 10/10 add ngl

[sand mica]

Not going to give up ever.

[silent acorn]

I know but like... What do you accomplish right now? It's over until next year

[stuck bane]

At least when melo dropped yesterday, people in event general were asking about events, and mod said they're having a long discussion of it. That could also be a reason some people are holding off on their sprites. also 22+ sprites excluding alts in 24 hours is alot.

[azure beacon]

I mean, I would rather have some of the other mons tbh, mainly because you only get one legendary per run (unless there is a hidden mechanic Im not aware about), unlike, lets say, tynamo or torkoal. But I cant really deny that it has potential, so I guess thats cool.

[sand mica]

Clearly I need to try and sway over some more people before the vote starts. Otherwise it might be a repeat of this year where Skuntank and Grumpig didn't get in.

[inland jewel]

you can clone legendaries with a simple capture of a route 24 radar encounter

[azure beacon]

guess there is a mechanic Im not aware about

[silent acorn]

A lot of the new mons are just one time eggs

[silent acorn]

You can?

[azure beacon]

that sucks, ngl.

[silent acorn]

Well how about you like upload the fusions skuntank has, make some drawings, doodles something so people don't pay attention to the buttchin

[muted estuary]

With Nincada I'm guessing

[silent acorn]

How does that work?

[sand mica]

Here's some of the Skuntank fusions I requested ThatDude9795 to make, I think you'll like the last one.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1114573274383401003/1114573275230638161/Skunpig.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138185594653126787/1138185595034812497/Skuntank_Sunflora.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1147629058214072480/1147636582824824932/SkunkMilk_1.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1160304088202878997/1160304088546803793/Skuntibuzz.png

[muted estuary]

I think as it evolves into both ninjask and shedinja both stay fused

[azure beacon]

really dont wanna spend splicers, like its money on a car auction, just so I can try multiple fusions. I would rather just go out into the grass, and just catch a second one

[silent acorn]

Like I am guessing you evolve it and then suddenly your mon is off to your box I don't know I am confused

[azure beacon]

why does the vulture have a butt for its mouth

[silent acorn]

I do like the last one because I like mandinuzz

[inland jewel]

eggs respawn eventually apparently

[silent acorn]

@exotic forge see this is why I said to try and work around the buttchin, I like skuntank but goddamn if others aren't gonna see the buttchin

[sand mica]

Because Skuntank has a butt on its face already.

[muted estuary]

You evolve it and you get both Ninjask and Shedinja and both are gonna be fused with whatever the nincada was fused with

Or at least I'm pretty sure, I didn't really do it myself but I've seen someone talk about it

[azure beacon]

thats just a larger than usual nose and not a pair of buttocks

[silent acorn]

Oh that sounds exquisite gonna have to try that to get multiple rockruffs

[inland jewel]

when you evolve nincada, if you have a pokeball and an empty party slot, you get shedinja, the kicker is that whever was fused with Nincada, also gets fused with shedinja

So if you do Dialga/Nincada it becomes Dialga/Ninjask and Dialga/Shedinja

[silent acorn]

Nice, so technically we can also get duplicate necrozmas?

[empty pendant]

that's a fun way to get multiple 'mons

[inland jewel]

i mean, thats not a buttchin, thats just an animal's snout

[sand mica]

Technically Skuntank has two butts on its face.

[silent acorn]

Well yes, but others see that lol, I do like skuntank wish others didnt hate it as much

[inland jewel]

Skuntank carried me in both my BDSP run and my SWSH run

[azure beacon]

skuntank is okay. skunky is the one that looks hideous

[buoyant haven]

how i get the new regis

[inland jewel]

its just a matter of using a mon and then finding out you like using them

[sand mica]

I keep on requesting it because Skuntank is my favorite Pokémon, and Grumpig is my second one.

[obtuse silo]

Would be interesting to see the actual numbers..i know some just dont have time..but i feel like other mons had way more

[silent acorn]

Well that doesn't last long you can get skuntank quickly enough I think

[azure beacon]

I know

[silent acorn]

I do think we should fetch one of the Gen 5 poison mons, they are pretty good and actually some of the last good poison types in the poll, besides salazzle I think

[sand mica]

So what do you think are the good remaining poison type Pokémon in the poll?

[obtuse silo]

Drapuon would be nice

[silent acorn]

Drapion is my personal wishlist the damn scorpion ogre pokemon, excuse you

[stuck bane]

idk if this is allowed, but these are all the meloetta sprites in the gallery excluding alts, I wanted to make a little group photo to celebrate melo winning raffle:

[silent acorn]

That's fine. Although there is the ones from propaganda missing

[stuck bane]

because they're not in gallery yet, I'm adding as they're added to gallery

[silent acorn]

Yeah, there was one for necrozma packed and ready to go

Huh someone made for bunnearu I wonder how long until we get the lopunny one

[stuck bane]

I think that one was from a long time ago as a celebi buneary alt? I forget his name but totodile pfp made it

[obtuse silo]

The voltorb one doesnt look like meloetta at all unless im missing something

[sand mica]

I would rather have Skuntank get in before Drapion.

[stuck bane]

otomatone, music related, might end up as an alt but it is in the gallery

[obtuse silo]

Maybe its a reference 🤔

[stuck bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REHW8ZmwCfk its an instrument

[silent acorn]

MonRyS will remember that

[red plaza]

I LOVE MELOETTA !!

[stuck bane]

I have been loving these fusions, I usually lurk around servers but I was so happy for everyone who fought so badly for her

[silent acorn]

It came down to one guy picking her for the sake of everyone

Only one hero, everyone else where oblivion npcs

[clever atlas]

Agreed, Skuntank sucks major booger compared to drapion
No offense

[silent acorn]

Yeah I honestly wouldn't sacrifice Yujiromon for anything

[stuck bane]

oh it was so perfect, unova only getting scolipede and garbodor, petilil from celadon being deleted, and when the world needed her most, she appeared. I'm almost tempted to request some super saiyan meloetta standing in front of a petilil but maybe thats a bit too much

[silent acorn]

Maybe.... Like.... Uhhhhhh...

Meloetta/Infernape makes her?

[stuck bane]

maybe, but I won't rush it, it's hasn't even been the first full day and we already have so many, and so many more being worked on in spritework

[silent acorn]

Meloetta on Rapidash makes calyrex

Someone could technically make both right?

[obtuse silo]

Meloetta and infernape sounds interesting

[silent acorn]

Well I think given that meloetta has two forms someone could do a low flame form and a high flame form, like the first is tenous and kind of purplish and the other is just downright flames of hell saiyan

[sterile verge]

as someone who has, it's very fun and makes you feel smart if you figure it out yourself

[tranquil tundra]

is there a date for the meloetta update?

[prime dust]

Soon™️

[white meadow]

surely they aren't going to make a whole update just for one mon right?

[stuck bane]

yeah, I'm thinking melo will be part of the next big batch, else that would be way too many versions of the game

[sand mica]

Hopefully Skuntank secretly gets added...

[azure beacon]

jokes aside, wouldnt be surprised, if there were some teasers for new mons hidden inside the game

like you talk to an NPC and he says that he has seen the shape of a pokemon that looks like a lanky humanoid frog or something running through the forest

[prime dust]

they'll likely bring in melo while also getting modern mode sorted for wild encounters, and fixing various bugs [hopefully one of them being fusion breeding]

[white meadow]

what happened with fusion breeding

[chilly stirrup]

It's probably that you can't

[hollow quest]

yeah you no longer can

[white meadow]

oh, sad

[inland jewel]

now, its unknown if fusion breeding was a bug to begin with and they fixed that bug for V6, or if it was intended and then the new fusion system is causing it to be bugged

since they aren't technically in the pokedex i think.

i bet its something simple like the fusions don't have an egg group therefore not breeding compatible like the legendaries are

[uneven forum]

Its all over. There's no more

[dry nest]

feels surreal

[tame flax]

You know, I'm sad slurpuffs not in

But I can find joy that dragalgae, toxicroak, and gastrodon didn't neither

I got nothing against them but one guy was pretty aggro about them getting in

[dry nest]

that guy was me i wanted them in so bad

[tame flax]

Well we're all riperoni

[mystic rivet]

Just a few more days til the new sprite pack..

[silent acorn]

Oh I know him. Someone was pissy because I got upset they called lycanroc generic pissed off a friend of mine, and then when I tried to press them about it they blocked me, guess who won.

Life doesn't hand candy if you think you have the high ground

[mystic rivet]

Lycanrock is pretty generic, but I'm also on the side of "can't really complain about new fusion fodder"

Well maybe generic isn't the right word? But there's certainly more interesting pokemon.

Oh yeah, did they end up giving tough claws to one of the other forms?

[slim otter]

I don't think so

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/who-cares-nobody-cares-no-one-cares-spongebob-spongebob-dancing-gif-15150357787126924502

My boy got in, spriters sure as feck didn't think it was generic hehehehe

[silent acorn]

You could just say basic and that's better word for it

I have a dog it's basic package of lazy little shet

I have to change the nick on my lycan now that I think about it

[mystic rivet]

I'm also one that wanted charjabug which is just a box so maybe I'm not one to talk lol

[silent acorn]

It's not generic just simple, I would want it more for Vikabolt honestly

Mecha beetles make for good Sentai material

[mystic rivet]

Charjabug and larvesta are real whiplash for people that are new with them though. You raise them to be physical because of their stats and then they evolve and go full special att.

[silent acorn]

You are talking softly, Shelmet and Karrablast are the real trolls of Gen 5

Karrablast is mostly offensive with nice speed, it evolves becomes a tank when none of its previous stats gave that idea, same for shelmet except it becomes a glass cannon

[mystic rivet]

True but as a real gamer with no friends to trade with primarily solo player, I didn't really get to use them.

[silent acorn]

I am just using a hack, I was pissed to learn they were trade evos, because goddamn seeing Alder pull one was freaking exciting

Like by the time you fight Alder you seen more mons and more stuff and mostly everything, so when he pulls the Excavalier and it makes that sound effect 😘👌

[steep glen]

Nice that was the pokemon I wanted the most of that list

Ok for the Singing pokemon what sort of Music should each typing be. I would say Dark is metal.
Ghost for Jazz
Normal for Country

[clever wharf]

Rock for rock is a must

[obtuse silo]

Idk if i would call country normal..id say pop is normal

[white meadow]

steel:

[outer matrix]

Tauros or milktank for country music

[white meadow]

I make a Scolietta being a Rock Girl

[hardy crystal]

Rap would be dark💀

[mystic rivet]

Why not punk? We literally had a poison punk gym leader in bw2

[white meadow]

In germany everyone says she is a Rocker

Googled Punk is a kind of rock music

[obtuse silo]

Goth should be dark

[white meadow]

the goth pokemon not being a dark type:

How about we base the musik on the mon and not on the type

[woeful root]

I would argue steel should be metal

[white meadow]

ig

[mystic rivet]

Well any pokemon that has metal is steel type regardless of the actual mineral so that tracks

[hardy crystal]

Pop for fairy?

[mystic rivet]

Should also pick out pokemon for obligatory FnF references.

[obtuse silo]

Thats what i thought

[drowsy elm]

Would swing work for psychic?

[frozen remnant]

Electric would probably be EDM surely?

[white meadow]

Like Noivern would fit for rock music too

[mystic rivet]

Mr. Mime can be air guitar

[hardy crystal]

there is pyscaldeilic music too(i messed up the spelling but)

[mystic rivet]

We should also think about dance genres for meloetta's other form

"we" as if I plan to actually contribute to sprites

[pale sparrow]

not just wild encounters 👀

[hushed mantle]

Psychic for disco maybe?

[steep glen]

But Jazz has Soul in it

[steep glen]

Ya. I just think Darks Coloring works better

[steep glen]

That is step two after figuring out Music Typing

[steep glen]

Ya that's kinda what I was thinking

What is Ice?

[leaden flax]

Feel like that goes well with classical music

[woeful root]

I mean metal doesn't really have a defined color although, fire, darkness, the undead, and warriors tend to be the popular subject matter

Like when I think of the perfect representation of metal I tend to think of the cover of painkiller by Judas priest

[hushed mantle]

Christmas music

[spice badge]

no one in the other channels can find this

[agile olive]

looks like a mr mime...duskull? or shuppet

hmm looks likeit's not either of those

[white meadow]

Body wise snubbull could work

[spice badge]

nah we finished that already

[spice badge]

none of us guessed snubull

[white meadow]

Sorry that I saw it so late
But I thought snubull cuz of the dress and head shape

[mystic rivet]

Did kinda think snubble, but I was set on Mr. Mime and a ghost

[drifting grotto]

Hot take but to me it looks like a shuppet fusion. Maybe it’s a custom sprite?

[hardy crystal]

me too

[obsidian hare]

imma be honest

the new pokemon fusions are going kinda hard

[white meadow]

For what new mon?

I wonder when the treasure hunt server is going to be removed

Along with this channel as well

[vague oar]

Torkoal when?

[steep glen]

ooh that a fair point

[white meadow]

When Frogman marrys you

[steep glen]

I guess Grass is Bluegrass

[sharp nebula]

the same guy won 2 contests

[fresh salmon]

Meloetta is a great choice ngl

[hardy leaf]

guys how often are pokémon added? sorry for the noob question but i’m, in fact, a noob

[zealous flint]

This is like the first time its happened

[hardy leaf]

oh interesting

[zealous flint]

I think at least

[last isle]

no lie i figured they were just going to keep the 420 they had originally and not add more

[zealous flint]

If not, then we havent gotten any since 2020

[last isle]

but hey i aint ganna complain when they decided to add more LOL

[white meadow]

Funny enough it was imposible before

[hollow creek]

anyone know how meloetta forms are gonna work?

[last isle]

impossible? i guess it would be with how much data is being sucked out of the games to make the fusions and reversed fusions... thank god for tech that has advanced beyond what was once applicable lol

[white meadow]

Not even Frogman knows yet cuz he considers to maybe split it so we can have the dance form out of battle

[hollow creek]

I would prefer that

[hardy leaf]

could i be remembering this game from many years ago? like at least 5/6

because i remember a game with fusions but it was very limited

[inland jewel]

There was this batch, the meloetta was a reward for winning sprite contests

And before this... 4 years ago. Before that, it varied, sometimes added each month, sometimes 6 months inbetween

[white meadow]

The game was full cuz all fusions were programmed to be in there loaded as single mons
Now they get calcd on the go

[inland jewel]

Yeah, this batch is the first time pokemon were added in 4 years, since Stunfisk (the previous last mon) was added in 2019/2020

[hardy leaf]

oh i understand

do you know when the game first came out?

[inland jewel]

2017

[hardy leaf]

oh okay i remembered correctly

i remember it was very different then, but after that i never followed the updates, sorry for asking a lot of questions but how finished would you say it is? apart from the full pokédex

[inland jewel]

The dev doesn't plan on adding any more regions,
With the room he might add the full pokedex for gens 3-7, BUT he might run out of maps or justifications to place a few of them so he might not add them at all.

He also doesn't plan on making a sequel at all. He will not work on any translation projects either.

[hardy leaf]

thank you, seems i found the game at the perfect time

[arctic glacier]

There is Celadon University that’s currently unused. I wonder… 🤔

[inland jewel]

Waht i do know is that a few people are combing the game for redundant maps, or if we can, fuse a few maps together

If we can downsize the amount of maps in the game we can justify and convince Frogman to add a new region

[white meadow]

Maybe not a new region but more johto and maybe a island

[lime nimbus]

do we know when meloetta will be added? (as in a date/"in # of days")

[inland jewel]

No,

[inland jewel]

i mean, i know 2 cities in johto are missing, but otehr than that what else is there?

[alpine rune]

a week at best, a month later can be expected, never at worst

[lime nimbus]

figured. Thanks for the response

[inland jewel]

But also, for the maps, did you know that Saffron takes up almost 40 maps

[lime nimbus]

also the answer is completely fine. Shit takes time. Was just curious, didn't expect anything

[alpine rune]

looking at the past pattern it took around 2 weeks for the game to release since lycanrock was announced no?

maybe 2 weeks?

[inland jewel]

to be fair, Tyrantrum was announced in September and it wasn't released until November

[alpine rune]

I mean the fastest possible release. Lycanroc was a surprise factor that the dev had to adapt on the spot

Actually when was the spriters vote again

[white meadow]

5 Routes
Safari zone
Caves

[alpine rune]

Oh so around a month from now on average

[grim eagle]

Did anybody do a Hatsune miku fusion using Farfetched and Meloetta

[white meadow]

Y Farfetched

[grim eagle]

the leek duh

[placid pelican]

no, we want someone to tho x)

[grim eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-jashin-chan-jashin-leek-cute-gif-26166025

[alpine rune]

Might do it

[grim eagle]

Idk why but for the past week I've been having a Hatsune Miku obsession and then I see that Meloetta is getting into Infinite Fusion and my brain is dying

[grim eagle]

PIPE BOMB

[alpine rune]

But not today and not if someone already made it

[placid pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/woah-pipe-bomb-so-cool-gif-15812034375530613101

[grim eagle]

It started when I realized that Hatsune Miku did a crossover with Persona 4, plus PoPiPo siivagunner remix

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/pipe-bomb-so-cool-pipe-bomb-hatsune-miku-gif-3979886170462943769

[vague fog]

Pretty sure I saw one the other day

[grim eagle]

show me

[alpine rune]

I dont see nothing yet...

[silent acorn]

Hi ally

[white meadow]

Heyo

Frossey is still WIP

[vague fog]

Sorry. Thought I had seen one, but I couldn't find it

[silent acorn]

Got it. I been working on mine nighmare for a while

Look forward to the completed fusion pair

[brisk vessel]

Bro spelt farfetch'd wrong

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/dhmis-donthugmeimscared-dont-hug-look-gif-5046911

[brisk vessel]

Ok just checked apparently everyone spells it without the '

[alpine rune]

\

https://tenor.com/view/its-blank-kung-fu-panda-gif-25603607

Go claim em @brisk vessel

[brisk vessel]

If i have time i will do it then

[stone cliff]

Meloetta gets added
Deoxys/Gardevoir:

[iron quartz]

rip miku

[alpine rune]

move over fakemon

[stuck bane]

well, people liked the first one I posted, so as celebration for melo winning the raffle, I bring you a compilation of all the main meloetta sprites we have amassed after one full day of melo being announced:

again, huge thank you to @celest bobcat, none of this would have been possible without you, so thank you

and now I go back to lurking

[plucky wave]

Hey guys, I tried teaching my Tyrantrum/aggron fusion Dragon Dance and it could not learn it, even though on bulbipedia is says tyrantrum can learn it. Anyone else notice that too?

[white meadow]

Never realized how much of a menace Registeel would be.
Clefable/Registeel is basically Magearna but somehow even fatter, with a free recovery move and access to Unaware (you're already immune to Toxic and take resisted damage from Stealth Rock, so Magic Guard is kinda meh).

Then you get Softboiled, Moonblast, Calm Mind, Iron Defense, and Stored Power

Literal nightmare wall.

Wtf are these stats.
On the best type combination in the game.

[plucky wave]

Blissey/Registeel is the real nightmare. Way too much health.

[hearty hill]

according to pokemondb dragon dance is an egg move in usum (gen7)
so u will need to go to the battle tower to find the egg move tutor

[white meadow]

Blissey/Registeel has a 4x weakness to Fighting, no offensive or boosting potential, and Blissey was banned in IF competitive anyways.

[plucky wave]

Fair

[plucky wave]

Ok

[hearty hill]

theyre always there and exchange bp for learning moves

[plucky wave]

Typical Battle tower fashion.

[cinder oasis]

Spectral thief moment

[cyan hare]

why no chat for meloetta

[alpine rune]

you mean here or the pif projects?

[cyan hare]

Pif project

[alpine rune]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1178826419950866462

[cyan hare]

Thanks! How tf did i miss that?

[wanton coral]

Any physical fighting move:

[hardy crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/suit-slideshow-man-in-suit-sitting-man-wearing-suit-sitting-slideshow-man-wearing-suit-meme-gif-25275395

[junior mango]

Mine isn't a new fusion, but shuckle blissey is whack it shrugs super effective cross chops and takes almost no damage from anything other than fighting types due to its monstrous hp pool and shuckle defense stats.
I run softboiled, protect, toxic, and seismic toss.

[silent acorn]

I Wonder when they are gonna make the competitive thread

IF has started banning mons huh, well then guess Blislass won't be making it in because how busted she is

You know what's funny, meloetta wouldn't be in if Discoblob had picked her lol that's the biggest irony in all this

[violet pawn]

wdym?

[prime dust]

how dare you weaken shuckle by fusing him

[wanton coral]

What do you mean? We already have the channels to talk about the competitive use of this

[sullen elbow]

We have to shackle the shuckle. He's too dangerous

[silent acorn]

Huh how did my comment about a meloetta sprite end up here

[restive arrow]

i see your bulky steel/fairy type, and raise you a bulky steel/fairy type with huge power (for AG of course)

no reliable recovery but damn those stats do be high after huge power

[wanton coral]

That damage is giga F tier for AG

[white meadow]

huge power with 58 base attack 🔥

[restive arrow]

its heat i swear
new meta LMAO

you just need like 4 turns to set up belly drum and a bunch of iron defenses and its good i swear

[hearty tendon]

why does it have 0 attack IVs?

[white meadow]

bootleg mega mawile

[restive arrow]

because no attacking moves were on it at the time
i was pointing out the base stat totals

[hearty tendon]

but yeah this is basically a mega mawile but with half the attack

[restive arrow]

lmao i know

[hearty tendon]

but way better bulk and belly drum

[sullen elbow]

guys go to #showdown-general or something

[silent acorn]

Sho how does this work exactly? Do you just fill it with that ifs

Because we can't get megawile sadly

Because sadly we can't get megamawile unfortunately

[white meadow]

After Huge Power it only has 242 attack, which is really bad by fusion standards.

Compare that to Azumawak, which has 1048 attack when switching in, plus a priority move, plus belly drum, and one of the best typings in the game.

[prime dust]

funny that it takes a fusion to get close to the power a base shuckle can achieve

[vague fog]

One thing I could never figure out in game was how to get belly drum onto azumarill, if it's even possible

[white meadow]

Egg Move

Either breed it or go to the Battle Tower.

[prime dust]

you'd have to breed it on

it can't learn it via the tutor for whatever dumb reason

[vague fog]

ok so i would have to get a poliwhirl/poliwrath then

[glass patio]

meh y know meloetta isn’t that bad i was just annoyed idk

nah it’s cool i’ve seen the fusions i like them

[silent acorn]

You were saying it's gardevoir 2.0, you shall be remembered as the plushie traitor

[glass patio]

Wtf?

When did i say that?
Maybe you’re confusing me with another person

[silent acorn]

I am pretty sure I set fire to your plush mass because of it

Nah probably nothing, you are probably right I am confusing you with someone else

[glass patio]

Yes you are

[silent acorn]

Man people were right in commenting lots of stuff about competitive

[silent acorn]

Can you blame me it's very common for some reason

[glass patio]

Lol

[silent acorn]

Anyway how you been

[glass patio]

good ig

#announcements message why did the dex number of the orange form get changed again

bro is the dex number 467 or is it 466_1

[silent acorn]

stop buckling you taken too much fluff

Dex num meloetta

[light garden]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[silent acorn]

Yes it is you silly robot brains

[lament tundra]

The 466_1 means it's a battle only form

[silent acorn]

Dex num lycanroc - midday form

[light garden]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[lament tundra]

Ultra Necrozma is 450_1

[silent acorn]

Dex num necrozma

[light garden]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[lament tundra]

It's just dex

[silent acorn]

Dex meloetta

[light garden]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[lament tundra]

And it's not in the game yet

[silent acorn]

Dex Hypnotoad

[light garden]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[glass patio]

dex meloetta

[light garden]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[glass patio]

Hol up

Dex meloetta pirouette

[light garden]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[glass patio]

nope

[stuck bane]

Yoooooo!!!!! They’re making pirouette an out of battle form!!!! Honestly that’s so good

[mystic rivet]

That means we can fuse the two!

[clever atlas]

Dex meloetta-pirouette

[light garden]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[stuck bane]

I’m mostly wondering how/if it’ll change out of battle since that can affect my randomized runs, like if you have to talk to relic song guitarist after completing the Melo event

[clever atlas]

Yanmega did a funny

Context: I saw the Meloetta Dex number shenanigans above

[inland jewel]

to be fair, kiwi hasn't had time to update the bot yet... and most likely wont till its added to the game

[clever atlas]

That's fair, im not pointing this out in the sense of GET TO WORK, TOAD!!!

[stuck bane]

Agreed, we also need time to get Melo charts to 100% before she’s even added (also to announce all the other mons that will come with her batch presumably)

[inland jewel]

i mean, frogman aint even in charge of discord stuff, he just releases the game

[inland jewel]

there has been past precedent where he just releases one mon for an update

[stuck bane]

Oh he has? Don’t tell me that the version changes too, that seems like it really builds up over time

Version 367.4 is when Gen 7 nat dex is completed

[inland jewel]

nothing as drastic as V4 to V5, but maybe V4.07 to V4.08 or V4.1 to V4.2

V4-V5 is usually to signify a system overhaul

[stuck bane]

Oh, yeah that’s cool then, didn’t know exactly how it worked, honestly batches or drip feeds of new mons are both welcome in my eyes

[inland jewel]

V4 to V5 was an update from E16 to E18 iirc, and V5 to V6 is to overhaul the fusion system

so V7 probably will be a map overhaul or new region (If we do go through with the map cut edit/ add more maps)
Or it could do with someone finally taking the time to change from E18 to E21

[white meadow]

This is still a thing for some reasons

[sterile verge]

Bro I feel dumb af

I made a Meloetta Pirouette form fusion and posted it to gallery as 466_1

Pirouette form is 467

[stuck bane]

Nah they changed it like recently, so nobody knew

[sterile verge]

Oh thank goodness

[stuck bane]

I’m sure they have plans to fix it since we’re still in the early stages of Melo sprites

[spice sage]

Yeah I decided to make both forms available out of battle afterall

[tranquil path]

so is the only form currently in battle only ultra necro?

[spice sage]

Ya

[glass patio]

has anybody gotten a necrozma? I bet yes but like how is the ultra burst and all that stuff

[white meadow]

oh hey pirouette is gonna be usable

amazing

[frank oxide]

do anybody here think that nothing is impossible

[glass patio]

[white meadow]

i still didn't fuse necrozma because idk what to fuse it with

[oak ravine]

The Palossand fusion is my favorite Necrozma sprite so far, shame it doesn't have an Ultra version yet

[slow plover]

My bad, found it.

[lofty spindle]

But also in battle, too?

[white meadow]

sounds quite unnecessary

and before you bring "game accuracy" not everything has to be the same, like wonderguard reducing hp to 1 is fine

[lofty spindle]

I just like the idea, personally. Formchange in battle is still a rarity for this game.

[silent acorn]

I remember this comment from Toad, he did mentioned he was considering making Meloetta and out of battle form in case it got too complicated. Which I wouldn't blame him for, doing in battle changes in top of fusions would be laggy as heck

[lofty spindle]

We already have one, though. I do not see why this would be laggier than normal.

Complication is something to consider, but would it truly be worse than Necrozma?

[silent acorn]

Personally I am into it since I prefer controlling my pokemon appearance and keeping them the same

[silent acorn]

Dunno, I just like the option of out battle forms being more of a thing. Less volatile

[lofty spindle]

Not like anyone is against it.

[silent acorn]

Like I said with Darmanitan, zen Mode would be 100% better being out of battle

[lofty spindle]

Mechanically? Yes.

I just want it for the flavour though...

[stuck bane]

I am so into 2 slots, it means I have double chances of encountering a Melo during a randomized run, and as was said above, it could open up potential for more fusions like zen darmanitan or any form of castform

And I still doubt necrozma will be the only in battle form change, I think form changes should be saved for ones that need their power limited, like U-Necrozma or wishiwashi school form, but things like pirouette and zen aren’t too crazily strong compared to their other forms

[lofty spindle]

In battle formchange is not exclusive to out of battle formchange.

[stuck bane]

So wait you want OoB form change and relic song to change?

Picking one or the other seems way less complicated than having 2 form change methods for the same mons, also allows relic song to be viable for aria

[lofty spindle]

I do recognize the issue of Relic Song, but yes.

[finite thistle]

If you can find the right material you could make Aria fast enough to use Relic Song as a simple type change pivot

The list of non-mega Pokemon capable of mid battle form change is very short, so I'd hate to make it shorter

Though, the ability to start in Pirroette form would be very helpful

[green crag]

Wait, where's Necrozma???

[prime dust]

i'll do you one better, Why is Necrozma

[finite thistle]

And why is he here without Nebby

[green crag]

No really, how do I encounter Necrozma?

[stuck bane]

Granted, that could work, switching to fighting to resist incoming SE bug and dark, and then switching to aria to resist SE psychic, but that’s so niche in regular gameplay and it’s even more niche considering you have to slap Melo on a speedy body in order to make it work in the first place.

As for in battle form changes, I suppose it could be nice to allow players to switch, but having each with their own Pokédex numbers AND underscore numbers and trying to combine them sounds needlessly complicated. Other mons may be different, but Melo at least should be 2 separate dex numbers for reasons above

[finite thistle]

As long as it doesn't change it mechanically, I don't have a problem with simplifying the Pokedex organization

[stone cliff]

Maybe keep relic song, but add a held item that transforms it automatically?

[alpine rune]

Can it change mid battle? (With relic song) or does it become separate Pokémon like the oricorios where you have to use flowers or any other ow mechanics?

[round gale]

Curious how Meloetta's typing will work. Will she be one of the few to have restricted fusion types or will she still give normal type?

[spice sage]

Most likely yes. I haven't actually implemented anything yet

[vague fog]

Various caves have a crystal area where you get prisms. After that you go to the top of lavender tower

[prime dust]

well unfortunately with the sprite event underway, you are stuck with the in battle shift

[green crag]

Did alll of that but the door won't appear

[prime dust]

unless you want to have everyone rename any meloetta sprites to fit the out of battle shift

[hearty hill]

Did you follow the questline with Sabrina/Koga

[green crag]

Sabrina?

[vague fog]

What do you mean door?

[green crag]

Where is she?

[hearty hill]

She's should be right outside the pokemon tower with a crowd of people

[vague fog]

Oh Sabrina went west from saffron city

[green crag]

Wait, did I collect the prisms early???

[vague fog]

Did you do the alter thing in lavender tower fully? 4 prisms were needed

[green crag]

Ye

OH!

I remember what I did

I forfeit a battle and got sent to a poke-center

It's not a bug, I'm just fucking stupid :D

[mystic rivet]

One can only assume the a double fusion of the two meloetta forms would have blue hair

[prime dust]

in what dimension do green+orange=blue

[green crag]

They meant a Miku reference

[stone cliff]

I really hope Meloetta ends up being more than 800 Miku references

[prime dust]

we already have that

[simple sky]

hey does anyone know how to get Amaura?

[green crag]

Fossil

[stuck bane]

So far it has at least, way more music related fusions than miku ones, in the gallery at least

[stone cliff]

Klingklang Meloetta goes hard

[languid light]

rowlet when

[lapis iron]

Hey, it seems the new Pokemon that were added aren't able to learn any TMs if they weren't in the game in gen 7, such as Tyrantrum and Hawlucha with hone claws. It didn't feel like a bug and posting it in game suggestions gets an autobot message saying no new Pokemon will be added and stuff. Any chance we can change it so if they can learn a move by TM in another gen, they can learn it inn IF?

[agile olive]

Post in #game-suggestions

[lapis iron]

I tried, it got flagged and removed saying they aren't adding any new Pokemon

[agile olive]

Reword it then

[brisk vessel]

i might make a klinklang pirouette eventually

shift gear with those physical stats is going to go insane

[finite thistle]

Thinking about it that way, I really want alt arts for Pyra, Mythra and Pneuma from Xenoblade 2. Doesn't fit perfectly designwise, but I still like it mechanically

[prime dust]

could do that with honedge

[vague fog]

Fossil guy in saffron or breaking rocks

[finite thistle]

I wonder if that means that Hawlucha can't learn Power-Up Punch? A little hard to check since Power-Up Punch is randomizer only

Oricorio with Quiver Dance would also be real nice

[solemn rapids]

they need to add zeraora 🙏 (i'm a professional d1 zeraora glazer)

[finite thistle]

Scolipede might have trouble with Smart Strike

[stone cliff]

I don't know what those words mean but I'm proud of you anyway

[white meadow]

are there TMs that only appear in randomiser mode?

[glossy osprey]

Zeraora ptsd flashbacks

https://tenor.com/view/guzzlord-zeraora-pokemon-close-combat-gif-14120534

[wind ore]

I like spheal

[stuck bane]

I’m happy with what we got, but considering people were clamoring for spheal even before this next update was announced, I am shocked it didn’t make it

[wind ore]

goood point but did you consider that he rolls to move and is the best.

[stuck bane]

Eh, he’s fine, a good mon definitely, and he is cute, but considering how much of a fan favorite he was I thought he would have been at the top of the polls is all

[wind ore]

https://tenor.com/view/sphealspin-gif-22641266

[wind ore]

Yeah cant complain too much but I am a average spheal enjoyer.

[stone cliff]

I honestly think it's because people wanted Spheal, but Walrein had fewer fans

[wind ore]

but spheal doe

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-with-it-sannnnnnnes-gif-7199061

[magic lily]

yea

[pliant igloo]

Ngl I gave spheal a 3 for the memes then I realized Idc for the rest of the line and went back and gave it a 0 spheal should come to the game alone without the rest of the line and we should just buff it's stats.

[brisk vessel]

just use Dewgong/Electrode then

[arctic glacier]

Let's Go Spheal

[brisk vessel]

👍

[pliant igloo]

Good idea I seen that sprite before but didn't know the fusion

[empty pendant]

well I made a terraria calamity reference with it so I hope that helps

[clear tiger]

the fusion launcher installs 6.0 right

[finite thistle]

Quite a few actually. if you look on the Wiki, you can find the full list of TMs and any TMs without any location data or TMs that are stated to be "Not in the game" or found only in the ramdomizer. There's crazy stuff like Spore, Scald, Sky Drop and Power-Up Punch, but also some pretty mundane stuff like Steel Wing and Shock Wave. The biggest loss of this list by far is Stone Edge since Rock Slide ain't even a TM in the latest list

Also, some TMs are listed in places that no longer exist in-game. Don't know where they put Overheat, but it certainly ain't under Blaine's gym

[sand mica]

Were people clamoring for Skuntank or was it just me?

[green crag]

Ok so what're the new pokemon?

Can someone dm me a list?

[sullen elbow]

Yes, it was just you

[stone cliff]

Nah there was that one other guy... I think?

[brisk vessel]

Pins + #announcements

[green crag]

Oh

I wish my Ho-gia had a better ability than pressure

Sadge

[waxen plaza]

The necrozium can only affect non fused necrozma ?

[magic lily]

where can i find corless after lake or rage for triple fuison?

[plucky bobcat]

Mt. Moon maybe? I remember something about the Team Rocket machine there

[magic lily]

checked

also got the answer, thx anyways

[alpine rune]

surely not, a bug maybe

[wintry imp]

It works on fused pokemon but it doesn't change the sprite in my experience

Which might be due to there not being a sprite, idk

[small crane]

Ohh meloeta

That will give us funny combos

[restive folio]

Is it just me or were there very less legendaries picked in the poll

Like I don't think many people wouldn't vote many legendaries in except the regi family and necrozma ?

I might be wrong though

[prime dust]

legendaries often need new maps to acquire them [see what they did with Necrozma and Regis]

given the game is already kind of near map limit [pretty sure this is still accurate], that means legendaries are going to be a bit more work

[agile olive]

if the houses are each their own maps, you could reclaim a couple by putting them all spread apart on the same map

[prime dust]

any loading screen is its own map:
caves, houses, routes

there's a #game-suggestions to try and compartmentalize the maps if possible

[silent acorn]

Yo now they are separate out of battle nice

Yo know what's nice is that technically you could run twin Meloetta thanks to this

[languid light]

Fusing regigigas and floatzal should make regitube

[prime dust]

small issue there

floatzal isn't in the game

[mystic rivet]

Is drifblim the best choice then?

Wouldn't be water but still

[civic lily]

Hopefully there won't be any issue, the earlier Pirouette fusion sprites people made used the 466_1 designation

[prime dust]

there probably will be

[silent acorn]

Hmmm. You are right there will be a problem... Maybe it should be made more public knowledge

Done so, I made a suggestion to try and make the info about the dex number more widely available

[stuck bane]

they already made an announcement, so there's not really much else to do, and if worst came to worst I imagine they'd manually search for all the 466_1 numbers and change them to 467

[silent acorn]

Yeah, well just saying it's easier since as you can see from this chat almost no one checks announcements before asking what's in.

[stuck bane]

yeah, but I feel like the announcement was more geared towards people who actually make sprites and check announcements regularly, of course new people will have no idea what's anywhere

[silent acorn]

That's true, although a bunch of spriters leave the server for a few weeks and only arrive later.

Eh well shouldn't be a big deal

[prime dust]

i mean it was considered a big deal when there was talk about possibly making Ultra Necrozma a separate dex entry

granted that was more because it'd throw off a lot more than 1 mon sprite numbers

[languid light]

NOOOOOOOO

[solemn pendant]

Is Spheal In It Yet?

[stuck bane]

See Pinned messages

[stuck bane]

Idk if one has been made yet but the next best one at a glance seems to be a regi with azuma joke alt since it’s tail is a flotation device, but that’s really stretching it

[hushed mantle]

No 😔

And won’t for a very long time

[solemn pendant]

Dang I Really Wanted My Round Boi And Walrein Of Coure ❤️

[inland jewel]

The earliest, probably 6 months, the latest, 4 years

[white meadow]

You cant know if it is for a really long time
Could be that Frogman feels like adding him

[stuck bane]

spheal at least made the top 5 in the spriters vote, and if I were frogman and trying to decide what most popular mons should be added next, I'd pick and choose between the spriter vote list (what the most spriters want) the contest champion raffle list (what my best spriters want) and the general vote (what everyone wants)

[sand mica]

I don't think so...

[sand mica]

Where is Skuntank on this poll? How high did it get on this vote rankings?

[prime dust]

we don't know

and likely never will know

[stuck bane]

we dunno, frogman only showed the top 10, imma be honest I think I gave skuntank like a 1 or something in the general vote but after hearing it would most likely make fart fusions I've wished I could've gone back and changed it to a 0

like, pompadour fusions just doesn't justify all the negative skuntank might bring with it, imo at least

[finite thistle]

Dang, Golisopod was so close. Sucker has so much potential

Eh, fart fusions deserve a few chuckles. Give me Weezing/Skuntank any day

[hushed mantle]

No slurpuff, i will now explode

[stuck bane]

I was personally hoping for goliso or lurantis out of all the popular ones people were talking about, lycan just doesn't stand out much, but in hindsight we really should've seen it coming, it was one of the most popular alola mons from that one google vote and apparently ash even had one on his team so that takes, though to make up for all the push that NGS helped give melo I'm def giving goliso a 3 if another vote happens

[stuck bane]

eh, there's still hope, it was on the raffle so obviously even the best spriters still want dessert fusions

[stuck bane]

yeah but ALL of them being fart fusions? maybe all is a bit much but even half feels like too much, idk I like skuntank since I got a shiny one in PLA, i just don't know if its above a bunch of other mons in line for IF

[finite thistle]

That's fair, I've got a few Pokemon I'd want over it myself

The anime reveal of Dusk Mane Lycanrock is still really cool. It felt a lot more natural than Ash Greninja and the foreshadowing was surprisingly well done

[weak trellis]

I still feel like ash grenin was supposed to be the mega gren we never got and they had to improv there

[stuck bane]

considering alola got unique z moves for starters, and galar got unique dynamaxes for starters, yeah kalos starters as well as some native mons were probably supposed to get megas too, was probably just scrapped similar to zygarde

[finite thistle]

I will never get over what happened to Zygarde. Man got robbed of his own game just to get thrown into the next gen as an afterthought

[midnight sundial]

Idk if I said this already, but Petilil being in the overworld as an NPC with Lilligant itself not being an available Pokemon in the Pokedex is robbery

[stuck bane]

that was changed, petilil in celadon was deleted for a drifloon, granted it makes sense since it shows off the radar to players, but it just made me more hype when melo got in as revenge for petilil being deleted

[midnight sundial]

Lmao

[sullen elbow]

Did they also delete the musharna?

Or the minccino

[weak trellis]

I know the mush is gone

forget if minccino is too

[finite thistle]

actually, when I was doing my randomizer I ran into an unidentified item that showed up as the Cover Fossil, the one for the Caracosta line

[white meadow]

Thats in there for a long time alreadyy

[stuck bane]

MUSHARNA TOO?!?!?!?!?! Don’t tell me they also deleted Bianca’s minccino that’s too far

[hushed mantle]

I think minccino staying would make sense since it’s from another region and can’t be found here

[prime dust]

Musharna is the same

[prime dust]

for being gone, Musharna is very much here

and i am on v6.0.4

[weak trellis]

wait then what was in the safari zone previously?

was that just a base muuna or

[stuck bane]

Phew, I was about to say who does the HA dream stuff now if not musharna?

[prime dust]

this isn't in the safaria zone, but it is in Fuschia, this is the HA house

[stuck bane]

There was also a musharna in the safari zone in its own little caged area, but it may have been replaced

[prime dust]

never knew bout that one

[weak trellis]

I thought there was an unova mon in the safari zone outside zoo thingy that got replaced by a venipede I think

[prime dust]

and bianca and her minccino are here as well

[stuck bane]

Ayyy ty, at least my favorite region still has some good reps in this game, even if not catchable

[inland jewel]

where is my skill link mon (that isn't cloyster) 😠

[midnight sundial]

Thats so unfortunate

[fresh salmon]

HOPE FOR LUDICOLO LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[white meadow]

lurantis was that high? dang

[hollow quest]

yeah, because it's the best

https://tenor.com/view/lurantis-gif-25238734

[finite thistle]

Girl needs to be unshackled from her clown pants

[silent acorn]

You guys got trolled into searching for mona

[silent acorn]

True that. Honestly the top 5 spriters pick should just be used to be added later. The spriters have spoken on what they consider good... Even if I disagree with Tropius

[empty pendant]

Tropius is definitely fun from a spriting perspective even if it isn't from a gameplay one. Big palm leaves and fruit!!

[white meadow]

top 3 is enough 👍

[zenith relic]

Wow I thought Lilligant be in the top with the others 0_o

[silent acorn]

Depends how generous toad would feel

Its the spriters choice, they don't have the same reasoning as the general Vote.

I think I'll have to pass up on spheal again next time because... Its true... Sealeo is kind of a wasteful slot wise.

[hollow quest]

i understand why people like the line, but when most of the attention is given to only the first form, it's kinda redundant

[white meadow]

i literally didn't mind it but once people started spamming it i began to despise spheal

[hollow quest]

me with minior, nothin against it but it was pushed way too hard

[zenith relic]

Same, I like Space Pokemon but... why this one

There sooo much better picks then Minior

[silent acorn]

Deoxys is legendary, Palkia legendary, Minior is one of three space item pokemon alongside Solrock and Lunatone, then Minior has a formchanfe of up to 8 different colors, like come on that makes an exponential amount of fusions.

Minior has the highest amount of possible variations only behind Spinda.

[empty leaf]

on the one hand, that's actually cool...but on the other hand, which other pokemon would make this kind of fusion fitting with Claydol?

[zenith relic]

Interested~

[regal vault]

Double claydol

[rare sage]

Unown possibly

[empty leaf]

why didn't I think of that?

[rare sage]

[empty leaf]

but yeah, would it be cool to see more pokemon being added to the game? It would be

but remember, we're sitting at 467 (468)...which may rise to 476 (477) if they add another set of starters into the game

and with fusion being the main thing, the numbers would keep rising...I wonder if there's a maximum limit that is tied to the game engine?

[golden acorn]

Question is how long they intend to wait between new releases.

Like we just got many. So I doubt we will see anything for the next few months

[empty leaf]

since there's 219,024 possible combo with this (along with 468 on their own)

so it's more like 219,492

[regal vault]

There's still a lot of Pokemon missing from Hoenn, so they're going to add them

Like claydol, haryama and etc

[empty leaf]

OH and I just forgot something else, there's a handful of trio fusion out there

[green crag]

I'm so glad they finally added Sylveon's cry

[oak ravine]

I was rooting for Claydol on this last raffle... Amazing biblically-accurate fusions we missed out on

To get singing anime girl fusions... But fair is fair

[green crag]

I wonder if we're ever gonna get Solgaleo and Lunala

[stuck bane]

Actually kinda likely imo, if the regi trio proved anything it’s that being counterparts rediculously boosts your odds of getting in, even above other legendaries, and now that necrozma is in, it’s likely we’ll see push for cosmog line to be added as well,

maybe not being added right now like any of the unadded mons we’ve talked about, but I think these 3 vote lists will at least partially influence what mons are added later, even if there’s no future votes

[green crag]

Neat

[oak ravine]

It is kinda weird seeing Necrozma without them, to be honest, and I'd rather they were added together... At least we didn't get Tyrantrum without Aurorus

[sharp nacelle]

Question, will meloetta be added in a 6.03 update or in V7?

[ivory rune]

I believe they’ll be added in a minor update after the meloetta/lycanroc contest is finished

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-jeremy-renner-clint-barton-hawkeye-gif-17148870

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-lose-hope-gloco-wag-mawalan-ng-pagasa-may-pag-kakataon-pa-may-next-time-pa-gif-20753653

[silent acorn]

I think most psychic types are good there rarely is one that's bad

Hell meloetta is psychic type if her making it in isn't proof I don't know what is

[sullen elbow]

grumpig

[empty pendant]

chimecho

[silent acorn]

Not really bad honestly, also chimecho isn't crap either, it just a bit boring

Well ok grumpig is bad, kinda ruins spoink

[empty pendant]

chimecho is sort of cute but: bronzong does being a bell shaped psychic type better

"bell shaped?" it's a wind chime with a bell on top

[silent acorn]

That's a really fair point. Also Bronzong lore is just more interesting. Technically speaking since bronzong itself it's a pokemon that's a bell but also a pokemon that resembles a a Japanese painting of a robot it could work like a weird pseudo machine on fusions, it doesn't have the eyes of metagross

[weak trellis]

it also has both levitate and heatproof as well for fusions

[silent acorn]

That's actually my favorite part of it

[pliant igloo]

Imo bronzong is just a cooler chimecho I wouldn't mind if bronzong got added

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-bronzor-the-only-bronzor-the-only-bronzor-gif-on-tenor-bronzor-tenor-gif-27448682

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/bronzor-pokemon-gif-481045623479246114

[stuck bane]

bronzor frisbee fusion potential? spriters seem to love their dogs so it could work

[earnest fiber]

Bronzor/Stunfisk, the flattest fellow

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/bronzor-pokemon-gif-4908085522080505877

[clever vigil]

I still wish Archen/Archeops were added instead of dumb music gardevior

[loud sorrel]

That’s just how the dice roll went

[clever vigil]

I will crush the dice then

[stuck bane]

I like archeops too, we should remove sharpedo and Lycanroc so we can get both fossils and make great fusions

[feral bear]

Crazy that we're gonna have to wait super long to get Cosmog

[lucid shard]

i wish gourgist was in the game

[spiral vale]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cheer-yay-good-pokemon-gif-7762165

[stone cliff]

People weren't thrilled about it just being Magikarp till 53

[hollow quest]

[clever vigil]

N O, SHARPEDO STAYS

[sand hawk]

was the aurorus line just added in the latest version

[lament tundra]

Like 4 versions ago now, but yes.

The last major update

[edgy valley]

When do you think the Gothita evolution line will be added?

[stuck bane]

Then fine, no archeops yet, if you got out of your own personal bubble you’d see how amazing all the current meloetta fusions are

[alpine rune]

how is that related to sharpedo?

[clever vigil]

I have seen quite a bit of meloetta fusions and most of what I have seen seem like they could be pulled off very similarly with gardevior. Meanwhile we don't even have a (sea) shark pokemon in IF other than Sharpedo

[alpine rune]

thats 1 more push up for me

[stuck bane]

Music, instruments, dancing, gardevoir is inherently none of these things

[stuck bane]

I don’t actually hate sharpedo, I brought up sharpedo to him to prove a point

[clever vigil]

Dancing is already taken by oricorio

[stuck bane]

Doesn’t have to be exclusive, Melo brings types and moves and forms that ori can’t

And none of the current Ori are ballerinas

[clever vigil]

I still think Archen and Archeops would have been better

[stuck bane]

Archeops would be cool, loved it since BW in 2011, but it’ll get its chance someday, sooner rather than later considering it was in top of raffle and spriter vote

Technically you can argue the best contest spriter wanted archeops so bonus points for that, in addition to more unova reps, completing fossils, I’m confident Gen 5 fossils will make it in the next major update or 2

[hardy leaf]

guys so basically everyone can upload sprites to the discord and they get automatically uploaded to the game?

[brisk vessel]

Essentially but you have to go through a long process to make sure its acceptable for the game

[fluid fable]

It hurts that Gen 4 only had one new addition. Besides my favorite mythical, Shaymin, there are so many good Gen 4 Pokémon. Buizel, Chatot, Skorupi, Shellos, and Stunky are incredibly unique.

[stuck bane]

I do feel bad for Gen 4 too, started with HG myself, but the difference there is that sinnoh already has over half their region represented, meanwhile unova now has the same percentage of reps as kalos at 28%

Though I am beyond shocked that shaymin is in the bottom half of Gen 4 popularity, didn’t it make like that one Google Pokémon vote or something? Shaymin would’ve been a welcome S tier choice too, but Melo was clearly far and away the best choice (we just got a Lofi girl fusion)

[cinder oasis]

I feel like another community vote for 20 pokemon would bring in most pokemon that people would want

That’ll happen (maybe) in like 1-2 years I would assume

[stuck bane]

even then, idk if it's really necessary, frogman now has all the stats for general votes, spriter votes (excluding event mons), and contest votes, no they're not a definitive confirmation that these mons will be added in a specific order, but technically he has everything he needs to just not need another vote since it will likely bring similar results, and he knows what people want and can add them in the order he wants, sprinkled in with some biases and such of course, at least for the next year or two.

[last pecan]

a lot of the really good ones are already in the game tbf, i vote for Lumineon or Cresselia if we one day get more gen 4s

[stuck bane]

I imagine that gen 4s will be slowly dripfed with each major update, at least until we get a sizable number of mons from each region (40-50% of each region?) and then at that point sinnoh will almost be done and maybe they just finish off sinnoh there

[alpine rune]

We did it boys, Regitube is real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WBnjQOAy7Y

[hushed mantle]

Gardevoir. Now do another push up

[sterile verge]

Ok but taking that at purely face value, you don't like a pokemon that could make fusions another pokemon could make. So you instead, want a pokemon that could make fusions another pokemon could make?

[subtle surge]

i want dreepy, drakloak and dragapult in game

[vapid badge]

You mean latest, never

[white meadow]

Reaches into my bin of gardevoir fusions

[coarse karma]

oooh, wondered if there was a list of top ten, ty for sharing.

[craggy mauve]

Is tyrunt new?

How can I get the fossil?

[lament tundra]

Ask how to get tyrunt in #ask-a-bot

[craggy mauve]

I have and it say's to get it from the Fossil Maniac but he only gives me certain fossils I think

[lament tundra]

He gives you the right one in the place the bot says he gives it to you

[craggy mauve]

I'm just gonna rock smash for it now cuz I can't seem to find any other way

oh.... i already beat him on the S.S. Anne

[lament tundra]

You get the gen 1 fossils from him at Mt Moon. The gen 3 ones on the SS Anne. The gen 4 ones in Celadon. And the Gen 6 ones in Saffron.

You need to get them in order.

[craggy mauve]

oh okay cool

I guess im going to Saffron then thank you

Where in Saffron though?

Nvm i figured he'd be here

Thank you very much

[alpine rune]

the more you give, the stronger i get

[slim otter]

The regis have been at the center of meme culture since the early 2000s? That's a pretty hefty claim with little evidence to back it up...

[gray vine]

gen 3 came out in 2002

[south umbra]

someone heard my prayers

also

do i need to the final tier rod to fish carvanha?

[silent acorn]

Not really there is a quest at Fushia and you can find Carvanha in Zafari Zone

At night, although supposedly they didn't have the Wild encounter set up yet

[south umbra]

but i only got goldeen and magikarps

[silent acorn]

In the pins Toad left a list of how to find all the new stuff, have you checked it?

[south umbra]

yes i checked

[silent acorn]

Maybe the encounter isn't ready yet.

[toxic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-energy-galaxy-gif-17739196

I hate the sky pillar puzzle with a passion

[glossy osprey]

ski issue

[sterile verge]

facts

[pallid spindle]

Same

[lean hedge]

I hope greninja get in the game

[mystic rivet]

not anytime soon

[stuck bane]

If starters were added I’d prefer them to be in order, Gen 5, 6, and then 7, but with their popularity they may be added sooner rather than later

[sand mica]

Anyways Skuntank is my favorite Pokémon and I will not let up in trying to get it in.

[stuck bane]

With how much you’ve been doing you’re probably hindering your chances, spamming isn’t as welcoming, but besides him being your favorite and pompadour fusions, why should we add skuntank?

[tame flax]

We shouldn't, we should add slurpuff, we can make mons out of cakes or cakes decorated like pokemon

[stuck bane]

Slurpuff will get in eventually, you of course are a prime example of why spamming makes people hate your Mon, but many including me were more swayed by the idea of dessert fusions and a lack of fairy types, but either way, the best spriters still want Slurpuff so it’ll probably be considered going forward

[white meadow]

Tbh sometimes pokemon are generally so hated that people dont even look/listen and dislike it even with good reasons

[untold pewter]

Still think, Cresselia is missing in this game, same for the Lake-Trio ^^

and Lake-trio could be have a triplefusion as well 😄

[white meadow]

To be fair the lake trio looks very similiar as bodys

[sterile verge]

Cresselia suffers from having its niche stolen

Like, by 5 pokemon

[untold pewter]

maybe but you need bad karma for darkray... why not good karma for cresselia then... ^^

[sterile verge]

Good karma is mew

[untold pewter]

and hit the bell in ecru- city

[hollow quest]

i'd prefer alcremie over slurpuff but we can't get alcremie so

[untold pewter]

yeah but only by +10... and you can go up to +50 ^^

[hollow quest]

next best thing i guess

[sterile verge]

Slurpuff body would be so bad

Literally just the pokemon but, fat

[untold pewter]

and awesome fusion between Lunala and cresselia... ^^

[sullen elbow]

same honestly

[sterile verge]

Honestly, fidough

Opens up every bread & pastry Instead of just desert

+it's a bread dog

[white meadow]

I like goat

[sullen elbow]

The body would also be a bit whatever

[muted estuary]

Goat seems like a solid choice

[white meadow]

Its great

[stuck bane]

Exactly, case in point the sharpedo convo above

[sterile verge]

literally

[hushed mantle]

Lil blobs, I don’t see anything bad on them

[stuck bane]

Eh, Slurpuff is one I originally disliked, but reasons above have swayed me to at least say it’s fine or neutral, I put it in the same boat as Xurkitree at least with this raffle: theoretically great addition, but haven’t actually seen any good fusions of either proving this to be the case

[tame flax]

People don't really hate it, they made it onto the raffle after all, and I ain't a spriter so no chance it was me who put him there

[stuck bane]

Yes they do they had to call you out on spamming Slurpuff in the chat so many times, had you not done that I’m sure there would be more Slurpuff fans willing to hear you out, but as stated above, even a minor annoyance will cause people to refuse to hear you out in any circumstance

[empty pendant]

funnily enough people sharing their onions on why slurpuff would make good fusion material actually made me like it more as an option when I'd usually be like "he's pretty meh"

[alpine rune]

I'll be sharing my garlic

You can't have onions without garlic

[empty pendant]

wahaha

and I'll provide the shallots and leeks

[pale flame]

Yep

Oh thank gosh they have the - fake card - marker on there, I wouldn't have ever known otherwise.

[hollow quest]

what a cutie

https://tenor.com/view/wink-celebi-kawai-gif-22205176

[pale flame]

Celebi: "Oh boy, I can't wait to see use in battle!"
Golisopod:

[robust geyser]

Kid named Golisopod :

[cunning bloom]

Does anyone know if there is a axew/noibat custom yet?

[hushed mantle]

Idk you could search it by yourself

[white meadow]

Kids that are named use and battle :

[white meadow]

Wouldnt you want the reverse for better stats?

[agile olive]

?tag usesearch

[opal trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/700790080175996938/1104856153780916234/image.png

[tame flax]

Slurpuff wasn't even a topic until then

And actually now that it is all over I can say why I did it

I found the constant spam of gifs and propaganda annoying

With single users taking up the whole page with a single posting

So an idea dawned on me, what if I just chose a mon and just said it's name

Because despite how many messages it was, it took up far less space than the average propaganda poster

I wanted to see how it would effect the results as well as how others would react to a single word repeated over page filling images being repeated

And despite the fact that he didn't get in, look at who was with it in the final raffle

Legends, an ultra beast, a starter, a fossil

And then slurpuff

[halcyon spoke]

does this argument drive you?

[tame flax]

So even if he's not in, I consider the experiment provided fruitful data

[halcyon spoke]

Do you feel you may have better things to occupy your night? Theres no Karma to farm on discord its just a little cringe

[tame flax]

And as far as the other matter, it was interesting

No one cared about spam when it was images, but as soon as it's a single word on a single line of text

[pale flame]

Images are interesting

[halcyon spoke]

Exactly, Youre just kinda making yourself look worse

[tame flax]

Yes, but people took a single word personally

That's what makes it interesting

[halcyon spoke]

that sounds like trolling

[pale flame]

Because you're not contributing at all

[tame flax]

Can you say that when what I started got a cream puff a 1/12 chance of getting in?

[halcyon spoke]

Yeah, youre just arguing with someone who isnt even here anymore.

[stone cliff]

Holy shit maybe we should close this sooner rather than later

[pale flame]

[halcyon spoke]

Nah just mute him so he cant ruin the fun for the rest of us lol

[tame flax]

Go for it

[pale flame]

Anyways guys, Regi trio, amiright?

[halcyon spoke]

Bro im sooo pumped for Regi

[halcyon spoke]

I dont like any of his sprites so fer with gigas

[glossy osprey]

registeel holds a special place in my heart and definitely not because of that one thad registeel meme

[white meadow]

You know you probably have nothing to do with it but the people explaining why its kinda cool

[pale flame]

I have made... Checks notes one fusion with the trio

[halcyon spoke]

thats so freaking cool

[white meadow]

Same I only made one

[glossy osprey]

I also only made one lol

[halcyon spoke]

I see soooo many baki yanma

[white meadow]

btw I like the new Pokemon I were able to pull off some cool fusions with them

[pale flame]

If you've made all those, why don't you get Great Spriter?

[agile olive]

oh yeah good point lol

[white meadow]

Oh I did make all those
When I asked for the role noone had time or knew how to give it and one day I forgot XD

[tame flax]

Who do you think did that too

[halcyon spoke]

oh lordt are we still talking about this, everyone please stop feeding this persons ego by continuing to engage him. Let him have his jeuvenile last word in

[white meadow]

I remember Slowforest for example

[halcyon spoke]

Slowforest??

[agile olive]

I think you can just ping a sprite manager in here and ask for it

[white meadow]

Oh back than I tried like 3 I think XD

[agile olive]

yeah slowforest makes all the palossands

[white meadow]

Sadly she got a little dislikeing towards Noivern cuz of the Sandcastle accidant

[tame flax]

Slow forest is great

[fickle loom]

is there a way to get into secret garden after the cutscen

[alpine rune]

did you the rival at route 22 before you beat brock in the first gym?

[fickle loom]

nope i resetted

[green thicket]

What if they add ultra beast

[drowsy drift]

no ultra beasts in the game yet

[spare frost]

Say, what is the state of the additions roster? Do we know if there are any that are definitely for sure not making the cut yet, or is it still ongoing?

[hollow quest]

only mons we know won't get in are gens 8-9, all the others are possible at some point basically

[spare frost]

I was just thinking if like, there was any logic to the winner announcements. Worst to best or vice versa. If maybe you could guess which aren't making it based on who is here so far.

Probably in no particular order though, huh?

Still hopeful for Maractus getting in! (Since I don't think it's actually confirmed one way or the other. Far as I can tell anyway)

[stone cliff]

If anything else gets in, it'll be quite a while.

[spare frost]

How do you mean? Aren't they still going through the results of the poll?

Or have I missed vital information somewhere.

[stone cliff]

Nope, all votes and such are done

[spare frost]

Oh I know voting is done, but they're not in the game yet, are they?

It's not as if any of the poll winners are available right now?

[stone cliff]

They are in the latest update, the only one that isn't yet is Meloetta because she was kind of a late addition

[spare frost]

Ahh I see now, had an update on the 12th of last month.

But also yeah, I was expecting like. A formalized list of the winners and losers. Which didn't seem to happen.

[stone cliff]

yep yep, I think there's a list of all the winners in the pins here

[spare frost]

I assumed it'd be in the announcements!

[stone cliff]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[spare frost]

I found it, yeah.

Meh, s'alright. No Maractus (for the foreseeable future) is a shame, but Cacturne is nice at least.

[stone cliff]

Yeah, even as a Gen 3 simp I would have preferred Maractus but y'know

[spare frost]

I feel like they're one of those that are really perfect in this venue. They have a nice design, but they lacked a niche in the mainline games.

[stone cliff]

Yeah, I wish I liked Cacturne's design more. I do love Cacnea tho

[spare frost]

I'd have liked to see stuff like this fake evolution (by "porywagon" on Tumblr).
https://64.media.tumblr.com/29ed94d86d34051bb6d6f0469ca714ff/794ecff1d0208e2a-04/s2048x3072/cf11c2da0dbe42cab7c4024eb15726dfa017debd.pnj

[mystic rivet]

i could see a bellossom mix making a stylized version similar to this