sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

SS in 2019 was never gonna happen

[tawdry valley]

I googled “Silksong almost” and picked the earliest message

[opaque sigil]

idk why people assumed it was almost done in 2019

[tawdry valley]

User was banned so they could have been trolling or something. Regardless, case in point

[opaque sigil]

Not just banned, deleted

Discord itself obliterated them

Or they just deleted the account but that's less fun

[tawdry valley]

I mean; you can do the search yourself, still comes up

I imagine that means they were banned; so yeah.

@shell yacht what’s the “” for?

[opaque sigil]

I'm gonna choose to believe that the gods of discord reached out through their screen and reduced them to atoms. Wouldn't be the craziest thing people in #sk-discussion have believed

[shell yacht]

msg links always send me to the wrong thing, prob not what yall meant at all

[tawdry valley]

Oh wow. Is that not a mobile only thing?

Oh wait you’re on mobile

[shell yacht]

i am mobile only so

deleted user is a deleted account. either banned by discord or user killed it

like my old one

[languid linden]

Links are funky for me too

And I'm on a laptop on browser

[shell yacht]

where does this take you

[pallid flare]

gone

[languid linden]

#sk-discussion message

It seems to work fine with recent messages

[shell yacht]

i tap it and i go to #speedrunning

[languid linden]

But with older ones, especially in announcement channels that have hundreds of reactions, I tend to end up a couple dozen messages above or below what I wanted to go to

[languid linden]

Weird. The link I just sent is the message you sent before this one

[shell yacht]

that too, but deleted ones are a trip,sometimes sending me to another server, where everyones usernames are swapped with yalls

i mean tap the "msg could not b loaded"

[pallid flare]

literal hell

[tawdry valley]

Nowhere

[languid linden]

It doesn't do anything

[shell yacht]

yeah one time i though i somehow copypasted a [redacted] convo into a normal server, had a mini heart atk

[cerulean sable]

FloppaSong

[cerulean sable]

lets talk about Silksong's lack of slope

[trim estuary]

what

[proud vale]

Hmmm, unity engine not pog therefore no slope?

[cerulean sable]

theres recent crowsworn images and even they had slopes

https://twitter.com/MongooseRodeo/status/1450952444360413184/photo/1

Mongoose Rodeo (@MongooseRodeo)

https://t.co/abLFpSf8Ri

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Twitter · Oct 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

[proud vale]

Maybe it's a stylistic choice

[trim estuary]

Maybe the way they built the controls hornet and the knight cannot handle slopes

[cerulean sable]

i mean i can get it for HK

but like, i dunno, it may be a small thing and im not saying the implementation is easy/simple eitherway

[trim estuary]

Alternatively TC is slopeist

[opaque sigil]

idk if slopes would really add much though, tbh

[cerulean sable]

like its ont a big deal ofc, but i like the geometry they add to the overall environment

[opaque sigil]

Plus they could make ranged attacks a bit of a pain in some cases

[proud vale]

It likely exists somewhere in the game but even if it doesn't I don't think it would phase me

[iron spear]

gotta do slopes right

[onyx harness]

Can’t wait for crowsworn to come out

[iron spear]

honestly now that i see crowsworn has them i have less faith it will be good

unless they spent an obsessive amount of time perfecting them like I have been with my game

the amount of janky edge cases is huge

[proud vale]

You need a doctorate in sloping before you can be trusted in any game

[chilly nexus]

GraigGameNews GraigGameNews GraigGameNews

[cerulean sable]

i do think the budget to promises is a bit too optimistic(?)

[coarse leaf]

Idk I feel like Crowsworn will be quite a forgettable game and I mean no disrespect to the developers

[chilly nexus]

I can beat helix in smb2, do i get one?

[cerulean sable]

like my IMO the stretch goals is something theyll might struggle with

hoping for the best ya know, more than they can chew stuff like that

[chilly nexus]

Graig where can we find out more about your game

[iron spear]

what are the stretch goals anyway

[chilly nexus]

animated cutscenes, voice acting, an arena

(tbh v parallel to HK's goals but at like 10x+ the budget)

[iron spear]

crowsworn literally has like 12 times HK budget

it should be a better game

[cunning geode]

for 1.2M+ Mongoose Rodeo will make the game "good"

[chilly nexus]

me cynically scoffing: "it better be "

[trim estuary]

mx+b when

[iron spear]

can some please explain to be what the fuck crowskart is

[trim estuary]

mario kart but crowsworn

[iron spear]

and why do we only get the dev version

[proud vale]

unless they really mess up, right?

[cerulean sable]

its basically a meme

[chilly nexus]

it's probably not intentional but that tells you they're building to a predetermined scope/standard-of-quality, vs. building towards a vision independently of that. "Oh we'll make the game better if we get more money" vs "We're gonna make the game we want to make as best as we can" (ala TC )

[cerulean sable]

mario kart crowsworn done during the dev's free time because people always makes jokes about other games having their kart versions

[still elm]

are we shitting on crowsworn now

[proud vale]

the devs have... free time?

[still elm]

lol

[chilly nexus]

this will always be iconic

[still elm]

i wish

[cerulean sable]

its such a good edit

afaik its from Assassins Creed Unity

the actual image that is

[iron spear]

hey guys i spent 500 hours making a kart game as a joke, time that could have been used for the real game but what about the joke amirite?

[trim estuary]

Yeah stinky hollow knight ripoff

[chilly nexus]

:knee_slap:

[iron spear]

meanwhile do a dash onto a 45 degree slope and it bugs out

[chilly nexus]

gapclosers/dashes in ESO (a 5+ year old mmo) are still buggy as heck with the z-axis

[proud vale]

Yeah kind of seems more like a marketing gimmic, but hey, it got people talking about it

[trim estuary]

What if they just make the slopes visually slopes but actually just stairs

[iron spear]

seriously have a game with dash and combat combos etc AND making them all work perfectly with slopes is no joke

its fucking hard to do lol

[chilly nexus]

ye i'd avoid it

[iron spear]

enemies also have to work on slopes etc and all attacks etc

[tulip stratus]

Wait did you actually try to make a Kart game for fun or is this a bit?

[proud vale]

I imagine slopes probably won't exist in combat areas

[cerulean sable]

i mean tbf he did it on his free time and crowkart is made in the PS1 style engine which shouldnt take that much resources in terms of spriting

[prime cradle]

Do you think silksong will be better or worse then hollow knight

[tulip stratus]

Because I want screenshots

[serene chasm]

worse

[prime cradle]

why?

[cerulean sable]

could be either but id honestly be dissapointed if it was worst

[serene chasm]

because I said so

[chilly nexus]

HK will pale in comparison

[tulip stratus]

I'm curious about how they're going to handle dying, since Hornet isn't a vessel.

[chilly nexus]

SS is gonna be infinitely better than HK wys?

[cerulean sable]

like, the fact that they have no budget constraints and they have no deadlines by all means it should be good EXCEPT to probably those with unrealistic expectations of the game's quality

[chilly nexus]

HK was not a fluke. and now the same people have more resources

no reason SS won't be better

[cerulean sable]

you leave a cocoon

which allows you to regain all of your silk

[trim estuary]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[cerulean sable]

its a question whether you get your money back from it again or not

[trim estuary]

You don’t in the E3 demo right

[cerulean sable]

you dont atm

[proud vale]

Graig confirmed SS better

heck

[opaque sigil]

That he did

[trim estuary]

Should probably be half lost so it’s not hollow knights’ “oops I died twice there goes my 28193 geo”

[cerulean sable]

so people either speculated:
you lose all your soft currency permanently,
it wasnt implemented yet,
it was gutted from the demo version because they dont really need it

[analog lily]

geo in SS confirmed

[opaque sigil]

Shell shards are very similar in nature to geo

So yes, geo in SS

[chilly nexus]

||i want to keep the graig banter re. crowsworn going literally no one else has fun with me talking about their questionable decisions, necessarily high expectations, and poking at the community's faith||

[trim estuary]

Actually geo look metal and shell shards are the teeth and bones of bugs

[chilly nexus]

but no yeah, SS is gonna be a revelation for 2d metroidvanias/souls-likes

[cerulean sable]

wdym poking at the community

[chilly nexus]

not in a mean way, just like, how some faith isn't too based/things are a little sensationalized rn

[cerulean sable]

but yeah i agree with the scoping tho

they really stretched out that last second

like i feel theyve gotten over ambitious even

[chilly nexus]

I don't like their pricing. na with that tiering they can 100% put all that stuff

[opaque sigil]

Geo is fossilized pieces of shell. Shell shards are also fossilized pieces of shell.

[chilly nexus]

HK put most of that in at more than 10x reduced budget. I'm not saying MR needs to live like TC, but 10x is more than enough

[trim estuary]

No shell shards are recently broken apart shell

Just like how Ss rosaries are the flesh of the innocent

[opaque sigil]

And what makes you say some geo isn't, it sure comes from all sorts of bugs, just like shell shards

[frigid ivy]

For such a high expectation for silksong tho the point of too ambitious is very high

[opaque sigil]

And shell shards can come from ancient corpses that Hornet breaks

[trim estuary]

It’s too circular and symmetrical, they’d have to be carved that way

[cerulean sable]

if you expect SS to be HK but more then honestly i think its gonna be reasonable

[opaque sigil]

But they aren't, the design is probably just for the sake of not having a million different sprites

[cerulean sable]

if you start expecting SS to be the end of all end game then yeah good fucking luck

[chilly nexus]

I also don't think MR was overly ambitious with their game, i think their decision making was the opposite (opportunistic* as I've said a lot in the past). They saw how much attention and free-press they were getting by people hopping on board the: "CS isn't copying HK!!!!!" train, and stretched their goals and price tiering to take advantage of that imo

[iron spear]

Dude in silksong you can colonise the entire galaxy

The game never ends

[languid linden]

Adding this to the SS info doc

[trim estuary]

So spore but with bugs instead of mammals???

[opaque sigil]

I mean MR was pretty ambitious with their date

[chilly nexus]

just like my favourite idle game: realm grinder

[trim estuary]

Here we go again

[chilly nexus]

I don't think they'll do their funding justice if the game releases by then

[languid linden]

"The game never ends, as you get to colonize the entire galaxy according to extremely reliable source Graig"

[opaque sigil]

Probably not, they certainly didn't give themselves much time

[chilly nexus]

i need to re-trademark "reliable"

[trim estuary]

No she dies

[cerulean sable]

yeah they did cash out on the hype

[opaque sigil]

SS respawn probably won't be canon imo, same as HK

[iron spear]

No Mans Silksong

[trim estuary]

OR she explodes into void

[frigid ivy]

How expensive do you think silksong will be

[chilly nexus]

omg SS will be updated for years to come

[charred pulsar]

If you die in HK or SS, just uninstall tbh, to keep it canon

[chilly nexus]

eventually the map will touch HK's map

[languid linden]

wait you don't do this anyway?

[iron spear]

Simo uninstalls silksong every 5 mins

[opaque sigil]

Probably not more than $20

[frigid ivy]

Graig with the totally reliable info

[opaque sigil]

Damn with the server advertising right in front of Simo

[languid linden]

Advertises in front of mod and owner

[chilly nexus]

Will silksong get an online update and a map that has instanced servers and chat like club penguin but with dueling?

[trim estuary]

Graig counts as a mod?

[tulip stratus]

Pretty sure that anyone from Team Cherry is above the mods.

[trim estuary]

Hollow Club

[opaque sigil]

Graig isn't a mod but he can get a mod to ban you

[chilly nexus]

Graig is the server's uncle. "the cool youngest sibling of your mom" type

[languid linden]

I was talking about ttacco but TC has manage message perms

[iron spear]

Every copy of silksong comes with an MIB flasher thing. You erase your memory each time you die and uninstall. @charred pulsar

[trim estuary]

Wait so then what does silk soul do

[tulip stratus]

I unironically want giving people flowers, or other gifts, to return.

I just wanted to give Mato one man. :(

[opaque sigil]

Damn that'd actually be pretty pog

Every playthrough a first playthrough

[serene chasm]

Can I forget other things as well?

[trim estuary]

Forget about red pandas

[heady iron]

can you make it kill you irl if you die in game

[trim estuary]

Silk soul be like

[frigid ivy]

Definitely helps with replayability

[heady iron]

please

[cerulean sable]

i lowkey remember an FPS game that got was one time thing

you buy it for 40$ and if you die, you lose access to the game "to keep it tense"

so uhh, day 2 hackers started spawning that could noclip through walls and kill people

[opaque sigil]

That sounds lika good idea if you don't think about it at all

[cerulean sable]

so uhhh, that game didnt take too long to die

[iron spear]

Hmmmm I should put an arcade mode into my game. $1 micro transaction each time to play it

[tulip stratus]

What was that game called???

[iron spear]

Thanks for the idea

[serene chasm]

There was a mech game that If you didnt eject fast enough you lost the game and had to start over

[cerulean sable]

https://www.pcgamer.com/one-life-is-a-multiplayer-fps-that-locks-you-out-forever-when-you-die/

[chilly nexus]

make sure that you make bosses and platforming sections super hard, so you're basically guaranteeed to die during them and people have to buy a 'continue' for 2.50

[cerulean sable]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=534994203

[iron spear]

Mobile Games really just are new age arcade games holy shit

[chilly nexus]

meta

[cerulean sable]

wasnt commercially out because the premise was a fucking scam

[frigid ivy]

And every item you pick up is five dollars

[analog lily]

I just though of something
if HK was a rushed game (or at least partically rushed) and way smaller than SS, obviously SS is gonna take way longer to make HK becuase firstly it's a much bigger game, and secondly it will be polished on release so I guess that means it's a while till SS release.

[languid linden]

...um...I don't think that's a good thing

[crisp drift]

yikes

[chilly nexus]

tbh I love how super monkey ball mania completely got rid of lives and continues. I got to play all the master extra stages that i couldn't on the gamecube

[crisp drift]

great britain exploration age simulator

[cerulean sable]

i think the bigger game thing is more in reference to how the DLC was gonna a small thing but then said "fuck it, lets just make a new game"

and the size will be RELATIVELY similar to HK

vs to expectations that its HK times 2

[chilly nexus]

when they said they were "spilling into extra content" in 2019

[analog lily]

true, but SS is at least gonna be somewhat larger than HK

[cerulean sable]

i mean yeah i expect that too

[crisp drift]

at least we have bigger rooms

[serene chasm]

HK 3 baby!

[crisp drift]

no more claustrophobia

[iron spear]

Hornet can sprint, think about how that might effect the size of areas

[tulip stratus]

Out of curiosity, how long was HK in development?

[cerulean sable]

just not like, "SS is gonna be like 2 Hallownest maps equivalent"

4 years

[chilly nexus]

||note to self:|| ||you can stay for one more graig message then have to go cook||

[analog lily]

well bigger rooms would be pretty confusing, though it makes sense for hornet's movement abilities

[chilly nexus]

a lot of edge screenshots gave the vibe of vast spaces

[cerulean sable]

stuff like CoT royal quarter will finally be fun to jump around with Hornet's moveset

[frigid ivy]

Yeah, I can imagine areas being much larger overall and parkour section being further spread apart

[serene chasm]

HK be like |------------------| this
SS be like |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

[cerulean sable]

granted i do hope they do the design well

like, it wasnt fun to charge Cdash only for me to crasrh 7 meters later on because the terrain was uneven

this annoyed me Hornet 2's fight

[analog lily]

zoteboat be like |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------etc|

[frigid ivy]

Anyone else remember the attack or smth hornet did where she did three consecutive dashes through the air

[frigid ivy]

That looked so cool mobility wise

[analog lily]

I think i do though that's not really how i would describe it
though i can't really describe it at all

[frigid ivy]

Let me rewatch the trailer real quick

[vague heath]

yeah she was grappling with her needle

[frigid ivy]

Yep

She throws the needle and then pulls her self to it with the thread

[cerulean sable]

ahhh

the grappling

[vague heath]

imagine a better white palace with hornet parkouring mechanics

[crisp drift]

i fear we'll have more saws

[cerulean sable]

as long as you can chain them all together id see it being good

[analog lily]

lots of shaws and saws

[analog lily]

yeah that one

[cerulean sable]

like pogo, double jump and dash chaining is arguably the "highest" peak you can do it in HK but they can certainly do something more in SS

[silver oak]

c-c-c-comboooo!!!!!!

[analog lily]

Though i just noticed, when hornet grapels to the wall she uses more silk, maybe becuase it's the third consecutive graple or just that it hit a wall

[onyx harness]

I think it is because she didn’t hit an enemy

[silver oak]

In the other two she regained some silk because she grappled onto enemies

[analog lily]

yeah, but also used half silk too

[iron spear]

Watch more demo footage...

[frigid ivy]

Yeah you’re right

[analog lily]

is there something we missed, again?

[silver oak]

Side note, those enemies don't seem very in line with the whole "Better AI" thing TC is going for

[green thicket]

I'm curious though it seems like hitting one enemy was enough to allow her another charge of the grapple so how much silk is used for one spell/ability or does it change based on the ability

[silver oak]

Then again, this was 2 years ago

[iron spear]

Does she get soul back when hitting an enemy with that move?? Maybe the demo has your answer who knows

[frigid ivy]

Yeah but outdated

[analog lily]

well no, becuase soul isn't in SS

[silver oak]

The demo tells all

[frigid ivy]

That’s not vague

[silver oak]

I am vague

[chilly nexus]

TC's words are that "silk and soul are invariably bound" if i remember correctly, the graig is still in correctness

[green thicket]

The demo tells very small snip bits

[silver oak]

The demo tells about 20 minutes

[frigid ivy]

Silk is hornets version of soul probably

[crisp drift]

Soul still exist in SS, i mean it's still the same world as 1st HK

[boreal cairn]

so do yall think ss is releasing in 2022 or 2023?

[analog lily]

oh well that's intresting, though technically silk would be correct
unless graig just did some 500IQ leaking and hornet uses soul in SilkSong

[chilly nexus]

E=mc^2. soul is energy, silk is mass

[frigid ivy]

Unless they’ve come up with a completely new system

[iron spear]

Imagine dudes who don't even know where the white flowers come from telling me about lore smh

[crisp drift]

Hornet's silk is intertwined with her Soul

[chilly nexus]

something something speed of light

[crisp drift]

because she's the daughter of PK, and all PK child has cool soul power

[green thicket]

Hopefully not I really liked the idea of thw Silk system

[chilly nexus]

i actually don't know where white flowers come from tho fr

[silver oak]

Graig subtly flexing that he knows untold HK lore

[chilly nexus]

farewell tho, i've overstayed the 1 graig msg i allowed myself

[analog lily]

they look simular to some of the ones in one of the lace fights, so maybe there?

[green thicket]

Subtly is not quite the word

[frigid ivy]

But she’s daughter of Hera

So cool silk powers and cool soul powers

[silver oak]

Herrah couldn't use silk iirc

[serene chasm]

White Flowers come from Graig's Garden

[crisp drift]

Herrah is just normal beast who has no special power

[frigid ivy]

Thus silksoul????

[silver oak]

It was the weavers, who were a separate group

[analog lily]

weavers can use silk, herrah can't so she isn't a weaver?

[crisp drift]

except maybe Herrah rule Deepnest

[crisp drift]

mhm

[green thicket]

White Flowers come from the Grey Mourner and the gravr

[iron spear]

The weaver who Herrah enslaved

[silver oak]

Herrah was the queen of Deepnest, the weavers lived in Deepnest but were more or less immigrants

[iron spear]

She is a horrible dictator

[analog lily]

but that means hornet isn't a weaver which means she can;t use silk

[silver oak]

Excuse me what

[crisp drift]

she's raised by weavers

[silver oak]

Do you mean the one who you see in the game?

[tulip stratus]

Is... is that actual lore?

[iron spear]

No

I'm lying

[analog lily]

so Silk is a skill you learn to use, not like an inheritance thing

[green thicket]

But are you

[crisp drift]

it seems like so

[frigid ivy]

You’re making me question everything

[warm bone]

:0

[analog lily]

hmm, well that's cool, more weaver lore the better ig

[crisp drift]

it's Graig, trolling and making others miserable is what he do

[frigid ivy]

But she uses silk

[chilly nexus]

you're literally making me question everything ||in a moment of weakness, i came back to see what i missed||

[silver oak]

You know we can't trust you

[analog lily]

you know i just looked at #hk-discussion and wondered, Loading screens don't really exist in HK, but SS has bigger rooms so loading screens there?

[silver oak]

You have an iron grip on the sanity of this chat

[warm bone]

build a resistance

[analog lily]

you replyed to me have way through the conversation we already finished

[silver oak]

Loading screens exist in only 3 places iirc

[green thicket]

Maybe we will have to see

[warm bone]

exposure therapy

[analog lily]

really? what places?

[green thicket]

When the game comes out in 2024

[frigid ivy]

Oh

[silver oak]

Um
Colosseum
Godhome

And I think the third is just a general one

[crisp drift]

Crystal Guardian

[silver oak]

What I meant was 3 icons for loading screens

[frigid ivy]

Doesn’t the stag station animation count

[silver oak]

People with slower devices need loading screens

[crisp drift]

yeah stag station animation counts

[analog lily]

not really, well we don't know if it's a loading screen cause stag rooms are usually pretty small so clearly it takes longer than it needs to

[crisp drift]

though they don't loop forever

[green thicket]

Also speaking of the Stag I am wondering if we might see the Stags that hatched from the station in Howling Cliffs in Silksonh

[silver oak]

There are a few places where you can get infinite loads

Happened to me before NKG on P5 once

[analog lily]

probably not, bell beasts are the main transport options in Pharloom

[silver oak]

Or bell beast singular more likely

[iron spear]

Grimm's tent can cause longer loads too

[green thicket]

Wait what? I missed the Bell Beasts then

[frigid ivy]

If Silksong is a prequel it would be so cool if it ended with Hornet arriving at Hallownest

[silver oak]

Dream sequences may have longer load times as well?

[analog lily]

yeah, apparently in an area called the marrow you fight one and tame it after beating it

[iron spear]

Part of my optimisation testing was the Dev build recorded all load times between scenes

[green thicket]

I doubt Silksong is a prequel, if it was then why didn't see use the skills and items you get in Silksong in the boas fights in HK

[iron spear]

And if they were too long TC would optimise the area more and more

[silver oak]

Yeah I assume that was a big part of playtesting

[coarse leaf]

Maybe even a boss fight with quirrel from the comic

[frigid ivy]

Maybe her memory got wiped like Quirrel?

[silver oak]

How much playtesting did you actually put into HK? Like hours-wise?

[analog lily]

no, SS is a sequel deal with it

[iron spear]

I dunno like 1500

[green thicket]

But ahe would still have the tools on her person

[frigid ivy]

Yeah it’s probably a sequel

[silver oak]

Ok first, damn
But really playtesting is way more intensive than most people think

[analog lily]

though you've gotta admit a Hornet vs quirrel fight where we play as Hornet would be cool

[crisp drift]

all we see from Quirrel is him going off screen after an attack
do you want Revek but bossfight

[green thicket]

So if it is a sequel like I think I wonder if she starts of with those spike balls she uses in the second fight

[frigid ivy]

How would you optimise it?

[silver oak]

I don't think so, Hornet would have to visit quirrel at the bottom of the lake and disrupt his peaceful underwater life

[analog lily]

nah, we know that in the trailer hornet loses her abilities after falling down on the way to the citadel

[silver oak]

He wouldn't, he would tell TC to in places it's needed

[green thicket]

Ah damn that's a shame

[analog lily]

I mean gameplay wise, not lore wise, lore wise it makes literally no sense

[iron spear]

It's usually just loading things into memory

Or preloading

[analog lily]

though it will likely be in SS as she relearns her abilities

[iron spear]

But there are many ways, like audio compression

[silver oak]

It was a joke
Because Quirrel's dead, get it

[iron spear]

Or uncompressing

[analog lily]

I think i replyed to your message reading half of it

[crisp drift]

don't summon the people who still believe Quirrel's alive

[analog lily]

yeah we all know quirrel is dead

[green thicket]

Yeah but I don't see the spike balls being a useful item in fighting, the only place they would be kinda helpful is boss fights but there will probably be better items

[analog lily]

well we'll have to wait and see, or ask graig but that's a stupid option so just wait

[coarse leaf]

He's so dead

[green thicket]

Quirrel is deader than Tiso

[crisp drift]

spike balls seems to be a platforming tool than fighting tool

[iron spear]

Here's an example. If you store the BGM as a wav then it loads instantly, literally on the fly with no overhead. But it takes up wayyyy more ram. If you compress it, it takes waaaay less ram but has CPU overhead

[silver oak]

They could be used for sequence breaking, I think they would only be useful if Hornet couldn't be hurt by them

[iron spear]

So some audio you want as wav some as ogg

[silver oak]

Depending on what's used more?

[frigid ivy]

Ohhhh

[iron spear]

Yeah like sound effects all wav. Instant response

But they are tiny anyway

[silver oak]

Like enemy sounds would be wav, music as ogg

[iron spear]

Yes

[silver oak]

[green thicket]

That is true but TC might've implemented a way to stop that

[silver oak]

It would require a lot of playtesting

[iron spear]

The same with texture some are compressed some aren't

[silver oak]

So Graig, next question

[iron spear]

Modern games are so big because all the textures are uncompressed. Massive space requirement but minimal load time

[wide arrow]

Oh hi graig, hope you are doing well!

[silver oak]

Which makes sense for open world games, everything needs to be seamless

Or at least give off the impression of seamlessness

[cerulean sable]

obligatory CoD and all the 4k skin textures they make

[serene chasm]

I hope SS uses 8k uncompressed textures

[silver oak]

Isn't warzone famous for being 100+ GB

[native ivy]

He's not dead they meant to call death nail sprite deaf nail he just lost his hearing

[cerulean sable]

around 250 iirc

[iron spear]

You can also do Async loading. Kinda like draw distance. For instance, dirtmouth connects to king's pass, crossroads and crystal peak. You can preload these scenes using another cpu thread when you are inside the town

[cerulean sable]

100gb+ is slowly starting to become the norm for AAA

[iron spear]

No load time at scene transition

[cerulean sable]

like GoW on steam says it requires 80

[silver oak]

Would this happen for every room, or just the bigger ones or ones you'd probably spend more time on?

[iron spear]

You could do the entire game of you want

Like every room I mean

Load all the rooms connected, but... You better have enough ram

And the switch.... Doesn't

[wide arrow]

I'm surprised how well optimised HK is for switch

[coarse leaf]

I think god of war 2018 pc port was leaked in geforce now leaked database so maybe silksong release date might be true

[serene chasm]

Why doesnt nintendo just download more ram on the switch

[iron spear]

Shark Jump and TC did a fantastic job

[analog lily]

don't hope, just becuase one leak was right, doesn't mean another will

[silver oak]

You can do it for free in just 3 easy steps!

[native ivy]

Somebody comment on this

[wide arrow]

Graig who's your favorite character and why is it quirrel

[silver oak]

It's obviously Sly

Have you not seen the pfp

[cerulean sable]

how much ram does the switch have again

[native ivy]

2mb

[vague heath]

I do not believe there are any rams inside of the switch, I dont think thats possible

[cerulean sable]

nvm just checked its 4gb

[silver oak]

Wow
No wonder they don't have big games on there

[analog lily]

Breath of the wild be like:

[iron spear]

Yeah 4GB but that's not all usable

[silver oak]

BotW must be the best optimized game of all time

[native ivy]

Not really

[analog lily]

yeah, most switch games are either small, or have something that makes them not need much ram

[silver oak]

I mean if you look at it, the art is a lot simpler than the stuff you would see in most AAA games nowadays

[iron spear]

BOTW uses toon shaders

Shaders are the best things in the world

[coarse leaf]

Bro BOTW is huge

[native ivy]

I mean it's not laggy but there are a lot of glitches

A lot? Actually idk

[wide arrow]

Imagine HK with cell shading

[serene chasm]

Hollow Knight: Windwaker

PK comes back as a boat

[native ivy]

Zotebote

[frigid ivy]

There are a ton of glitches in botw but most of them wouldn’t be accidentally found because of the specific things you have to do to achieve them

[native ivy]

Moon jump glitch is epic

[still owl]

graigs got me hooked on wondering how TC went about making the game as efficient as possible at this point

[wide arrow]

Yeah fr

[serene chasm]

Maybe they hired a really good programmer? Maybe, I dont know jack

[cerulean sable]

then theres Ori which was able to do load all without transitions afaik

[serene chasm]

witchcraft

[silver oak]

There's a few transitions

Every time you enter one of the dungeons

And there are a few cutscenes

[chilly nexus]

yoku's island express had really poor loading and desyncing if you would move too quickly through the main area

it was a fantastic game, but i think it broke the switch's ram :p (though i also don't know much about how this stuff works)

[serene chasm]

switch 2; now with 6gb of ram

[chilly nexus]

switch 2: a bigger cartridge slot and the cartridges have to come with their own ram

[iron spear]

Ori is probably Async loading everything ahead

[chilly nexus]

ori 2 i think broke on the switch too for me

[serene chasm]

so its basically the NES? but handheld?

[chilly nexus]

like if I ran through areas and fell down a long hole, sometimes the hole and beyond would have to load in

(unless I'm thinking of a different game)

I have a proposition graig: to optimize the time SS gets tested, I join you as an unpaid apprentice. Since I'm on the opposite side of the world, SS can then be played 100% of the time cuz that's definitely how things work

[still owl]

also make sure there are no contracts, make sure you can leak as much as possible

[chilly nexus]

there'll def be contracts, but if i spot loopholes in the fine print... ||jk, i'd be faithful to TC, you guys are special ||

[iron spear]

Give me 500 bucks a week

[crisp drift]

<@&283547423706447872> help please

[chilly nexus]

but... that was my entire salary working an entry-level biomedical engineering job Anything for TC though, which email do i etransfer you to

[tawdry valley]

I have 50 Iranian Rial

[serene chasm]

Ill give you 40 cents and Ill wash your car once a week

[silver oak]

Do you take leftover ramen

[tawdry valley]

Unlike you; I am licensed to care for kangaroos

[wheat lintel]

oh lord

[sterile sleet]

Yep

[silver oak]

possibly

[serene chasm]

Yes my child?

[coarse leaf]

I have 1 toman

[tawdry valley]

1 toman is 10 rial

[cerulean sable]

i have a billhook
72 🛠️
55-85 ⚔️
30% 🗡️🛡️
140% 🔨🛡️
+5% 💀
2 🟩
-14 🚴

[odd sedge]

I wonder if we're going to sees the hunter in silksong

[serene chasm]

no

[chilly nexus]

it looks like a pointer stick

[cerulean sable]

its a fcukin billhook tf you talking about

[chilly nexus]

no it's a 'point_up_right' 👉

[tawdry valley]

60% stun chance against mounted enemies

[cerulean sable]

your

[cerulean sable]

god i wish

[serene chasm]

What is the rarity of that Billhook?

[chilly nexus]

I have a special ability that I can use every 2 seconds that has an 80% chance to stun enemies for 6 seconds

and it kills them in two hits also 80% of the time

nerfs can't touch dis

[tiny drum]

if silk song takes place after hollow knight wouldn't that mean hollow knight has a true ending?

[serene chasm]

All endings are true

[tawdry valley]

no; because an ending for Hk can remain ambiguous and all endings can Segway into SS

[iron spear]

Ayo that a billhook???

[tiny drum]

not is hornet is sealed in the egg right?

[tawdry valley]

Think of the rial; please

[tawdry valley]

Seals are, and have been demonstrated to be breakable

[iron spear]

What's rial

[serene chasm]

nothing is rial.

[tawdry valley]

Currency I may or may not pay you

[sterile sleet]

Real men use a zweihänder

[tiny drum]

this channel confuses me

[tawdry valley]

You told that to the other channel already

[cerulean sable]

Tier 3, wont be using these babies until late game so your early options are either the Pitchfork or Hooked Blade

[coarse leaf]

Money in iran called rial

[tiny drum]

good observation

[serene chasm]

man catcher is best weapon

[wooden sorrel]

I have 100,000 Lebanese Liras ready

[iron spear]

I'll take two doner kebabs

[wooden sorrel]

Got you covered

[tawdry valley]

Okay but I unironically make a mean kebab

[cerulean sable]

definitely good for fearsome procs because those has really good armor penetration so you can proc the +5 health damage requirement
makes it easier to lower morale on the Citadel cultists

durability is garbage though

[tawdry valley]

If you put ketchup on it I’ll kill you though

[wooden sorrel]

Yogurt herb sauce is where it's at

Maybe a garlic sauce too

[iron spear]

That sounds pretty good

[wooden sorrel]

Top it off with mixed cabbages and tomatoes

Fuck it's 5:30 am and I'm craving a doner kebab

[green thicket]

I've never had a doner kebab

[wooden sorrel]

Do yourself a favor then

[chilly nexus]

i live by a place that makes fantastic doners berlin style

[serene chasm]

Whats it called?

[tawdry valley]

Hummus (actual hummus from a seller who makes good shit, not that vegan slop) also works

[random zinc]

hummus is always vegan??

or at least it usually is

[serene chasm]

Imposter hummus is the worst

[tawdry valley]

It is; but I’m referring to companies that try and make it simply on the basis that it’s vegan so it’s healthy

I will literally never forgive America for this

[wooden sorrel]

Luckily as a Lebanese every where I go has good hummus

I guess it's the only good in this rotting country

[random zinc]

EW haha. its really funny when companies do that though like “all natural, fat free, vegan tomatos”

*tomatoes

[serene chasm]

That's not hummus

[random zinc]

im using that as an example

its all buzzwords

[wooden sorrel]

I like Mutabal a lot more than hummus

[tawdry valley]

Respect

[random zinc]

i really like tzatziki

[tawdry valley]

I moved to the states a while back, so I always end up gaining weight when I travel back

[wooden sorrel]

Where are you originally from

[tawdry valley]

Absolutely regrets though

[wooden sorrel]

If you don't mind me asking that is

[tawdry valley]

I’ll Dm it to you

[wooden sorrel]

[serene chasm]

What's mutabal

[trim estuary]

Food I think

Which id have to agree probably does taste better than humans

[wooden sorrel]

Creamy eggplant dip

It's refreshing and delicious

[serene chasm]

Sounds yummy. Just looked it up. Doesn't seem to hard to make either.

Food in SS?

[wooden sorrel]

Highly recommend giving it a try but also definitely try to seek out a Lebanese restaurant sometime

The idea is to order a bunch of different dishes that you share with the entire table

[elder grail]

[serene chasm]

If only I had friends

But that is a good idea

[wooden sorrel]

Curly checkout Lebanese Meza on Google images or something to get the idea

[tawdry valley]

Even Arab fast food is good. Make it yourself for fun if you want. I accept that I’m biased but I’ve yet to find someone who’s tasted it and not had their mind blown; so yeah.

[shell yacht]

[wooden sorrel]

My favorite cuisines are Japanese, Mexican and Arab

[serene chasm]

There are a lot of those around here.

[tawdry valley]

Lebanese food is sorta king of the hill though. Mediterranean identity really pulls through

[wooden sorrel]

Yep the flavors are really refreshing.

[tawdry valley]

Don’t buy anything with “Sabra” on it.

[wooden sorrel]

Lmao

[tawdry valley]

Public enemy Number one.

[wooden sorrel]

Disgusting

Tortured hummus

[shell yacht]

smh i can make the real shit, worked in a resturaunt

[tawdry valley]

You can’t fuck up at home more than they fucked up in their factory

[shell yacht]

one small issue

i only know portion by the bucketload

[tawdry valley]

How much is the Bucket volume

[serene chasm]

Just make a bucketload

[shell yacht]

like alot

[tawdry valley]

Approximately

[wooden sorrel]

A bucket

[shell yacht]

hmmm

[serene chasm]

1 gallon

[shell yacht]

yeah a bucket

[tawdry valley]

Gallon? 5 gallon?

[olive bobcat]

"How am I supposed to read this? There's no 'lu'!"

[shell yacht]

but like half of it

5 i think

[tawdry valley]

Was it the size of your head or the size of your waist.

[shell yacht]

i am large

[wooden sorrel]

How does Hornet eat without a mouth

[analog lily]

she doesn't since when does she?

[tawdry valley]

They all have mouths they just don’t animate them because it’s ugly

#hk-lore message
@wooden sorrel here

[wooden sorrel]

Oh interesting ty

[tawdry valley]

This was on the subject of vessels but it applies to all characters without visible mouths anyways

[analog lily]

oh intresting, (don't you dare snail me)

[tawdry valley]

Was it the size of your head or the size of your thigh

[shell yacht]

mmmm way bigger than my head

[tawdry valley]

You’re telling me your restaurant made 5 gallon buckets of hummus

[shell yacht]

yeah

and it usually all got used that day

that was a daily part of my job

[shell yacht]

sometimes twice a day

yes

[tawdry valley]

Which of those most fits the image in your head in question

[shell yacht]

large white off to the right

[wooden sorrel]

That's a lot of hummus

[serene chasm]

Seems like a good amount of hummus

[tawdry valley]

God fucking damnit; gallons are not evenly calculated with liters

[shell yacht]

its like 1.25 l per gallon or something iirc

conversion dumb

[serene chasm]

I thought it was closer to 4 litres to a gallon

[chrome dragon]

Same

[shell yacht]

nah cuz a 2l soda is almost the same as a galon of milk

[tawdry valley]

Okay 5 gallons is 80 cups

[iron spear]

4L per gallon pretty sure

[chrome dragon]

2 2 liters

[wooden sorrel]

Metric system superiority

[tawdry valley]

Divide every value in the recipe by 80 to get 1 cup of hummus @shell yacht

[serene chasm]

3.78 for us gallon and 4.5 for UK gallon

[tawdry valley]

Approximately.

[shell yacht]

that sounds like imma be counting salt granules im out

[serene chasm]

Based (10)

[tawdry valley]

Just pinch some in

[shell yacht]

[tawdry valley]

What the did they do to you in that restaurant

How many granules of salt did you count

[shell yacht]

none lol, just very small amount of salt already so

dividing by 80

no

[tawdry valley]

How small

[shell yacht]

like u know togo cups for sauce

small ones not mexican resturaunt cheese ones

[tawdry valley]

These?

[shell yacht]

well like not even one of those

[tawdry valley]

Less?

[serene chasm]

I'm hungry now

[shell yacht]

yeah its really easy to add to much its insane honestly

[tawdry valley]

The dude who told you to add that little salt to the 5 fucking gallon tub of hummus was fucking with you

Either that or the dude knows their shit

[shell yacht]

naw he was right u can tell the dif from like 3/4 to a full one

[tawdry valley]

Damn

Guess make it 5 cups of hummus and divide everything by 16 instead

[shell yacht]

or

[tawdry valley]

Then just

[shell yacht]

just buy me bulk amounts and ill make u buckets of humus

[shell yacht]

too much

[wooden sorrel]

welcome to #hummus-discussion

[tawdry valley]

Fuck it; multiply the recipe by 100 and make 500 gallons of hummus

[shell yacht]

aw hell no

[tawdry valley]

Your retort better be 5k gallons

[shell yacht]

[tawdry valley]

First pic I found and it’s the same dude.

Bro

[shell yacht]

wtf are these for

[tawdry valley]

Hummus

[shell yacht]

no

[tawdry valley]

Water. Probably for hummus

[serene chasm]

It's all hummus.

[shell yacht]

mushy tasty stuff

foodpaste #686433

[chilly nexus]

chickpeas, olive oil, and a little bit of salt and lemon juice

meant to reply yto u

[shell yacht]

do NOT add oil as u mix it

[chilly nexus]

ye steps are important!

[tawdry valley]

2 tablespoons is the daily serving humans should reasonably eat. Hummus is as such literally always overeaten

[chilly nexus]

but make sure you read the label on what you buy. olive oil is the og, grapeseed oil is ok, you DO NOT want soybean oil in ur hummus

[tawdry valley]

If my hummus ever has soy I’ll actually kill a man

[chilly nexus]

some brands actually use it

Graig where's that email of yours, i need to etransfer you the 500

[tawdry valley]

Your greatest desires, or garlic

[chilly nexus]

I already put my gaming laptop up on kiji to afford me ~a month of apprenticeship

+my stocks are doing well

[shell yacht]

kinda hard to describe it, hummus is hummus

humus, hummus

brain running low

[chilly nexus]

it's kinda like a more proteiny guac?

[fiery coral]

what is guac

[tawdry valley]

You are offending Mexicans and Arabs at the same time

[shell yacht]

no guac is disgusting tree mush

avacado paste

[chilly nexus]

i love this comment cuz i do be one of them myself

[tawdry valley]

Say hummus tastes like stronger guacamole to your grandmother and come back to tell me how it went when you get out of the hospital

[fiery coral]

[chilly nexus]

ok tbf it wasn't the best description :p

[tawdry valley]

Tell that to an Arab older than 30 irl and literally die

[serene chasm]

Guac is a avocado jam

[tawdry valley]

All jokes aside, guac is actually fairly similar in texture to hummus

[chilly nexus]

jam is like a more carbohydrate-y guac

[tawdry valley]

There; I googled it. Google says hummus tastes savory.

[chilly nexus]

of the plant based dips/spreads: jam->carbs, guac->fat, hummus->protein

[serene chasm]

I love all foods

[tawdry valley]

Imagine your taste literally only describable as “good”
That’s how bad you need to try this shit.

[chilly nexus]

when you make it homemade and get the ratios just right

[tawdry valley]

Say that again, this time with the knowledge it includes this abomination.

[chilly nexus]

(they use soybean oil too)

[fiery coral]

reading "hummus" always makes me think of humus

[tawdry valley]

Nice pfp change; see the new movie?

[fiery coral]

thank you

as in, Daniel Craig's new one?

yeah it was decent, not really my kind of film though

[tawdry valley]

No time to die

[fiery coral]

I rarely watch movies as it is, but I'll always go for a good murder mystery

[serene chasm]

What's wrong with chocolate dip

[tawdry valley]

Garlic + chickpea + guacamole texture + chocolate.

Garlic + chocolate

[serene chasm]

I don't think is a chocolate hummus.

At least I hope not

[tawdry valley]

It’s either that or shitty Nutella

[chilly nexus]

Graig if you don't give me that email I will ship 500$ worth of croissants to Ari

[serene chasm]

Also I'm not counting packaged food as food. I mean actual cooked/made food

[chilly nexus]

whole foods are always winners

[serene chasm]

I want food in ss

[chilly nexus]

i here their have is baguettes

[shell yacht]

flea soup or riot

[tawdry valley]

I want to broil *Trobbio and his dog in that bush junkie’s Massive cauldron.

Modding is not an acceptable alternative. I will accomplish this goal through intense online harassment of TC or crippling legal action.

[serene chasm]

I bet Sherma tastes gross

[fiery coral]

[tawdry valley]

I meant trobbio. Sherma does not have a dog to my knowledge

[serene chasm]

No one has a dog. Unless you are talking about zaza

[cerulean sable]

silksong should have skill checks

[glossy gazelle]

Why do you wanna boil a butterfly

[green thicket]

Why?

[cerulean sable]

ie
[Barter 7] Ill do it, for a price
[Toolmaking 5] i make bomb :)

[green thicket]

How would that even be implemented

[cerulean sable]

because every fucking game somehow needs to force in RPG mechanics

[green thicket]

No they don't

[serene chasm]

SS but it's New Vegas

[cerulean sable]

bud im not being serious

also i dont expect Hornet to actually have more than dialogue choices that fits her personality

at most im expect (if they do implement a dialogue system) to be more of "i wanna know more"

[serene chasm]

Low Int runs will be fun

[tawdry valley]

Botw:

[cerulean sable]

Sherma: "Hello princess, may I help you?"
[Expert Thievery] "Give me your money you cymbal wearing asshole"

Hornet Evil run 😩

[tawdry valley]

If dialogue is not exclusively repeated/developed linearly in Hk;
Hornet will likely have one or more extra options for informative purposes

[cerulean sable]

yeah those are my expectations too

[tawdry valley]

Hollow knight accomplished this with linear dialogue anyways. So yeah.

[cerulean sable]

the question is, whether they do it in a way where you have a snippet and hornet says something , or if theyre gonna put it word by word

ala telltale

ie

[tawdry valley]

Simpler it is the more likely it’s what they will do

[serene chasm]

Word by word please

No fallout 4 dialog option bullshit

[fiery coral]

Option: Hey, nice cloak!

Line: Nice cloak, dummy; your mother make that for you?

[cerulean sable]

Citizen: "Please help us were getting fucking massacred"

"No way"
"Ill help you"
>"Sure"
"Goodbye"

Sure
Hornet "Sure buddy, but how about i take your fucking belongings instead?"

LA Noire IIRC had this major issue

because back then it wasnt Truth, Doubt and Lie

it was like, Good Cop, Bad Cop, or something

[fiery coral]

yeah Cole was sometimes extremely aggressive

[cerulean sable]

or was it like
Urge, Question or Pressure

or something like that

hence Lie (which wasnt Lie in the original game) would end up having Phelps go
"I didnt kill him!"

Truth
Doubt
>Lie
Phelps: "Listen fuckwad, well make this easy, you either tell me why you murdered Miss Grace, or we can always make it even worst for you"

[dusty kettle]

come back to hk discord
literally fucking nothing interesting
leave discord for 3 weeks
repeat

[cunning geode]

ok

you were on a week ago

[shell yacht]

why are you the way that you are

[cerulean sable]

I am reclaimer of my nameeee Born in flesh, I have been blessed, my family crest is A DEMON OF DEATHHHHHHH

[cunning geode]

thats cool

[tall hinge]

hello fuckwads

[fiery coral]

I beg your pardon

[chilly nexus]

for implied*

[proud vale]

I’ve never seen someone more exposed

[fiery coral]

they're still doing HK bug fixes huh

[coarse leaf]

don't tell me you're a wall

[cerulean sable]

no im taco

[hollow smelt]

He is floor

[plain brook]

Hello Vergil

[mortal grove]

thats awesome

[chilly nexus]

Simo himself made the "1 month" bit 👀

[coarse leaf]

whos simo

Ohh a admin

Fk i was hoping simo was a tc member

[chilly nexus]

He playtests for them!

[proud vale]

1 month bit of what? Sorry I’ve come late to the hk announcements party

[sacred stratus]

There are a couple of play testers on this server. TC is here too but they’re barely active

[coarse leaf]

😳😳😳😳

[chilly nexus]

1 month to something possibly SS related

[cerulean sable]

😎

[opal geyser]

Time to kidnap Simo and demand the information. I can’t wait another month

[potent plover]

what if the 1 month was the friends we made along the way

[burnt topaz]

1 month is a bad friend then

[potent plover]

how is that so?

[burnt topaz]

It's a toxic friend, I won't elaborate further

[potent plover]

because it's connected to cough ss-discussion?

[opal geyser]

The toxic friend is #sk-discussion

[burnt topaz]

I said I wouldn't elaborate

[potent plover]

makes sense

[cerulean sable]

checked the steam forums for the updates for a minute

as usual
"ok but where islksong"

🗡️

[potent plover]

Can't wait for lksong

[native ivy]

Milksong

[cerulean sable]

consider the lack of silksong news to be a skill issue 😎

[potent plover]

going to sleep now, Hopefully silksong does not turn out to be part of my imagination when I wake up

[proud vale]

Bruh

Am I to just take this '1 Month' business lying down? this calls for action

News in 1 month?

[agile kelp]

Hello ss chat, what's the topic?

Nevermind dead chat

[chilly nexus]

Graig can you confirm or deny the 1 month simo typed in emotes in hk-announcements? also: i think I found your email in the yellow pages, lemme know when you recieve the etransfer of 500 and then we can work out my apprenticeship under you 👍

also also: I'm going to bed now cuz it's 4:15am here, so I can't start work rn, I'm sorry maybe in 4 and a half hours

[lament drum]

one month

[hazy lark]

Now I'm excited

[pallid flare]

one month for what

[hazy lark]

Two options: Troll or N E W S

[proud vale]

DAMN Jacoby get to bed

[fiery coral]

I believe the 1 MONTH was by SFGrenade, not Simo

[proud vale]

is there any way to definitively tell?

[fiery coral]

Me; I saw Grenade adding the reactions

[hazy lark]

When i pressed the reactions its show that simo was the first one to react to the 1 month so idk

[daring loom]

whenever a realese date comes out, SOMONE SPAM FREAKING PING THIS MESSAGE

i barely check this discord and im tired, so thats why

[lament drum]

how in gods name is anyone going to remember this

[polar olive]

thinkin bout it

[jolly silo]

nobodys going to do that lol
btw u realise they will def put it in announcements so you dont need to ask anyone

[crisp drift]

yeah they gonna ping

[pallid flare]

don't worry bro, I got you

[signal crag]

oh, a new patch for HK?

[native ivy]

Don't read the steam discussion on it or you will be dissapointed in the community

[tribal merlin]

we've been waiting for this patch since 2017

[pallid flare]

I cannot believe that they "fixed getting damaged by spikes while on a lift and ending up inside the ground"

[tribal merlin]

that wasn't a bug, that's just quantum tunneling

just the world wasn't ready for it

[dusty nimbus]

Why did they fix that?

It a perfectly normal thing that happens to me all the time

[pallid flare]

that was a core mechanic

[dusty nimbus]

Don't you also ever get mortaly wounded, faint and then wake up dress in a suit inside the ground?

Like that's a major irl mechanic for me

The hardest thing though is getting out of the ground for me

[hearty tendon]

Perhaps the real silksong is the discussion we made along the way

[signal crag]

sorry, i need more context

oh wait, is that the spikes on the lift thing?

[pallid flare]

probably

[fleet temple]

You know I'm gonna do that now

[coarse leaf]

???

[fleet temple]

yeah, It's confirmed

[sweet lotus]

One day we will wake up, oblivious to the fact that we'll know the release date of Silksong in the following hours.

[nimble radish]

unless we get a release date release date

[sweet lotus]

The truth is only held by Team Cherry, those naughty boys, those rascals, those absolute units.

[coarse leaf]

Whos sfgrenade

[craggy fjord]

Wait news in one month?

[copper knot]

silksong doesnt even have a preorder wtf is this person on

[craggy fjord]

Millions on advertisement??

[stark estuary]

Ah, yes, Cyberpunk 2077.

[copper knot]

[stark estuary]

Very similar to Silksong I'd say

[signal crag]

steam discussions forums
looks normal to me

[copper knot]

what the fuck

[pallid flare]

TC spent millions in giving us less than one piece of information a year

[copper knot]

coop silksong sounds hell

[coarse leaf]

🙈🙈

[stark estuary]

Yeah P2 should be THK

[coarse leaf]

No it should be herrah

[stark estuary]

If it's a prequel then PK should be a playable character

[pallid flare]

making this game in coop will unironically make it come out in five years

[stark estuary]

Also Blackwyrm/Hunter

[copper knot]

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[stark estuary]

esk

[pallid flare]

esk

[copper knot]

esk

[craggy fjord]

esk

[coarse leaf]

esk

[pallid flare]

bloodborne, of course, invented fast paced, risky combat

[copper knot]

this is so funny im actually laughinh

[coarse leaf]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[pallid flare]

atleast jack wasn't forgotten

[coarse leaf]

I saw ari at coles the other day

[pallid flare]

that was an impostor

[copper knot]

inhale exhale inhale eX HALE INHALE EXHALE INH A

\SGD7S USS US SUS US SUS DUSWWAS US SUS USS U

[fiery coral]

normally in posts like this, when people's comments are posted to public forums for purposes of mockery, the usernames are blurred out

[copper knot]

oops

[coarse leaf]

Their comment is public tho it doesnt make a diff

[copper knot]

also i would not use that emote if i were you lero

[fiery coral]

Not really, no; most posts I see of people supposedly making dumb comments on social media do not mention the name of the person who wrote it

it's blackened out

[tiny pine]

It's mostly so that the user won't get harassed or any attention

[fiery coral]

^

better safe than sorry, this is a big public server

[shy kiln]

‘Most’
That is what some else would say, IDK what you are all even talking about

[tiny pine]

If you give the wrong person any attention then pal that's on you

[pallid flare]

weird people are everywhere

[stark estuary]

I mean, Unique is right. Even though you argue that it's a public post and that it's easy enough for someone to look up the original poster given only the post itself, in a big public server there is still a risk that the user could get unwarranted attention.

[charred pulsar]

Yeah I never add reacts myself, I just click everything so it's blue

[pallid flare]

Simo is just like us

[proud vale]

Ah shit 1 month news deconfirmed

[tropic mica]

The thing is, we don't have proof to make him at ease

[copper knot]

[coarse leaf]

other than the patch we just got?

[hazy lark]

Really..? 😦

[charred pulsar]

Yeah

[opaque sigil]

It's not like Simo would confirm anything anyways

Probably couldn't even if you wanted to

[pallid flare]

wdym you don't announce something ominous in the reactions

[coarse leaf]

I don't know about the news in 1 month thing

[opaque sigil]

There is no "news in 1 month" thing

[crisp drift]

it's just "1 month"

[fallow apex]

2 month

[coarse leaf]

I cant believe sfgrenade leaked silkdongs release date

can someone please laugh

please

[opaque sigil]

ha
ha
ha

[fallow apex]

4 month 8 month

[opaque sigil]

Damn guess we're getting news in 2, 4, and 8 months. TC's sure increasing their news density back to around where it was in 2019

[fleet temple]

wow yeah, silksong steam discussion really does make you hate humanity huh?

[opaque sigil]

Yes. I strongly advise against looking at any more

strongly

[minor vapor]

what makes me hate humanity is when Team Cherry does the funny "bugfix for a game that's been out four years because we're good devs" and within minutes you have situations like these

[opaque sigil]

If that logic held then SS would've been "close to complete" for 8 months

[minor vapor]

another noteworthy gem

[opaque sigil]

So either it doesn't or by whatever metric they are "close to complete" they still aren't necessarily close to release

[minor vapor]

the best one yet

really highlights the respect this community has for Team Cherry

[opaque sigil]

Reading that hurt me physically, mentally, and spiritually

[minor vapor]

same here

[opaque sigil]

Those aren't even exclamation points at the end, what are they, ls?

[coarse leaf]

tbh alot of people did think that after the first couple of bug fixes, but i guess that theory is moot now

[opaque sigil]

Yeah ik

[cerulean sable]

steam forums in general are garbage

[opaque sigil]

They really are.

Super toxic

[cerulean sable]

at one point they shittalked when Deep Rock Galactic announced a board game (which they included to be in collaboration with the community)

what were some of the replies? shit like "so update 35 got delayed by this garbage? who the fuck wants this? how about you actually use your time and just give us the update"

[coarse leaf]

oof

[minor vapor]

oh steam discussions, what will you do next

[fleet temple]

"you know you can just press the make game button right?"

[opaque sigil]

Plus for any game with a female protagonist… it’s messy. Imagine being so insecure in your gender that you refuse to play a game as a differing character

[cerulean sable]

thing is, they already communicated (like, once every 1-2 weeks) about the current state and it was and they said they had to delay and split 35 into 2 updates because the modding support was difficult to make

Thing is, theres already a release date for 35 (Nov 11), but people still jumped on to them for "delaying the update for a board game", worst worst part, DRG is already out of EA way way back then, and is pretty much feature complete, so them updating the game with more content isnt in a way "obligation" anymore because theyre not trying to reach 1.0

imagine getting free updates, and the community shit talks you for not giving it to them asap

these people are so entitled, theres excitement and theres just pure entitlement, sadly Steam forums has a lot of them

[minor vapor]

god that sounds terrible

about DRG

[cerulean sable]

honestly glad SS is taking long, they can cry about it all they want

[coarse leaf]

steam forums are generally just funny to me
"Shitty game, it's not even worth half its price. It is for babies and casuals. the platforming is bad, it dosent even deserve the fandom. oh right the fandom, they suck too, their all crybabies and bad. it's all bullshit and rng. literally no skill is requiered to beat the game. team cherry were just like: oh lets make this game unenjoyable and bullshitty as much as possible. i hate it. i wish i ha" yeah buddy

[copper knot]

people on steam forums are honestly a different breed of humans

[minor vapor]

lmao I agree with this statement

[cerulean sable]

fortunately its a mix for DRG
50% "congrats guys!"
25% "hmm not a fan of board games but good luck to yall regardless"
10%"i dont really care give us update please"
15% "fuck you lazy fuckers for delaying the update for a shitty board game noone wants"

[minor vapor]

sigh

[copper knot]

people seriously need to give game devs a break

[cerulean sable]

honestly wish you could ban these guys from your product tbh

[copper knot]

making games isnt easy

[minor vapor]

the funniest part of steam discussion forums have to be when new players ask for help on a part of the game and then someone gives just the most insane, wacked-out and totally incorrect answer and you check their profile and it says they only have like 2.6 hours in the game lol

[cerulean sable]

its easy for them because their perspective of game dev is
"oh its a fun hobby so it has to be a fun job, doing something for fun and getting paid is perfect and you lucky if you can do that"
or theyre the "idea guy" who thinks 70% of it is just making ideas without thinking how difficult implementation can be

[copper knot]

the idea guy is the worst

[signal crag]

agreed

[copper knot]

and im speaking this as a custom knight artist
"yoo there should be a skin where insert something thats very fucking difficult"
pls just do it yourself

[frank marten]

what if i dont have the skills? just learn em

and sell your idea, make money

[coarse leaf]

I reckon part of it is also "Im paying for it, so i deserve to treat them like trash"

[cerulean sable]

you know this kinda reminds me of this guy back in our early days
i used to browse the modding chat often and theres this guy (not really a rude guy at all, but like he has these crazy requests) who would post these huge ideas and it would be something along the lines of "anyone knows who can code? please contact me"

[cerulean sable]

yup entitlement

[frank marten]

good ol karen behaviour

[cerulean sable]

anyway, one word always reminded me of him, "Cherry Madness" and he wanted to implement stuff like 3 new areas, 20 new bosses and new weapons like crossbows and scythes

[frank marten]

i can see the madness

[minor vapor]

lmao quite the idea

[coarse leaf]

i mean, did he at least have art or anything or was it literally just descriptions?

[cerulean sable]

theres still copypastas of it here

mostly descriptions

[frank marten]

i guess description

[cerulean sable]

actually its just descriptions

essentially ideas

[coarse leaf]

bruh

[copper knot]

the path to failure is having too many ideas without knowing how to properly implement them

[cerulean sable]

https://discordapp.com/channels/283467363729408000/610754780461006848/730548572948267109 heres Saleh posting the copy pasta

[minor vapor]

holy fucking shit that's hilarious

[copper knot]

imagine

[coarse leaf]

"early 2029" lmao

[frank marten]

wait, crowsworn has a scythe in it, and a gun. was he predicting the game

[copper knot]

god i just kinda hate the idea guy who just spams ideas without actually thinking about the implementation

"ah yes i want to make a game where if you die we hire a hitman to kill the guy irl"

[frank marten]

collectors edition for Hitman 4: hit harder

[cerulean sable]

whattt game dev is easy

just add stuff and make game good

[opaque sigil]

And it takes a couple days tops, right?

[cerulean sable]

wdym you often hit design issues and you have to work around it bruhhhhhhhh

[minor vapor]

in the Rain World mod server I'm in there was this guy who asked the devs (who have now been working on the mod for almost 4 years) if they could add his friend's pet lizard into the game, it was one of the most surreal situations ive been in

[cerulean sable]

"2 years is more than enough for a small indie game like HK"

:)))))))))

[frank marten]

what do you mean you arent a machine

[cerulean sable]

"wtf youre not working 24/7??? how could you game dev is fun you get to play and get paid wtf maybe the job isnt just for you i should have it tbh"

[frank marten]

the person that typed that prob has a room temp iq

[cerulean sable]

also the amount of stories about devs getting shafted in the industry

[cerulean sable]

yeah steam forums :^)

[frank marten]

o god sorry room temp is way to high

[opaque sigil]

Name one industry where the ones actually making the product don't get shafted

[serene chasm]

All game Devs should work for free and be sustained by their love of video games /s

[cerulean sable]

true, its just that for some they often jump in game dev because its related to games without thinking about how the culture works

uhuh?

[frank marten]

should i delete it

[opaque sigil]

Probably

[serene chasm]

I for one thought your joke was funny

[haughty brook]

The same applies for artists in general.

[serene chasm]

Yes. Artists should sustain themselves off of exposure

[frank marten]

hey technically it was nsfw so yeah, not taking the chances