might anybody be able to help me out with setting up a practice installation? I followed the instructions and everything looked the same as the video. When I try to run hollow_knight.exethe one in the debug folder, it always seems to run hollow knight normally 😠
#speedrunning
static pagoda
static pagoda
the video i watched had me make a copy of the hollow knight folder to mod the copy, when I run through steam it boots the original
stuck raptor
did you add the steam_appid file
static pagoda
hey thanks, I think that's all I needed, the section of the video that step was in was outdated for the most part
elfin rampart
Just lost this run🥲
formal bough
just look one channel down
hidden grail
did they make double spike kill easier in current patch? because i downpatched and now i can't get it where before i got it like 90% of the time :/
like the aspid arena one
weary root
yeah it's waaay easier on current patch
the aspids just line up and the spike has a consistent path
on 1221 the spike path depends on how you hit it
real thorn
Anyone on Linux have any good Livesplit-like software recommendations?
dull umbra
analog monolith
Anyone on Linux have any good Livesplit-like software recommendations?
i think livesplit one is on linux? and u could use that
looks like it, since it's entirely web-based
sleek aurora
Hi, I've watched a guide on downpatching Hollow knight with depotdownloader, and the video mentions a pinned message in this chat, but i can't find it
Is the message moved to another place?
stuck raptor
that method is outdated
just select the patch you want from the betas menu in steam
right click hk -> properties -> betas
sleek aurora
Oh thank you that's much easier lol
vernal hollow
Hi, would anyone mind helping me w this jump?
Have been failing it for a fair while now
Is it only possible in specific version w the vengeful spirit?
vernal hollow
How do I activate quick cast?
midnight raft
check controls
vernal hollow
Thank you, i will try that!
may someone send me a clip as an example, I cant seem to figure it out
stuck raptor
can't figure what out. how to use quick cast?
vernal hollow
Nah I got quickcast
The jump itself i mean
I might be using the spirit incorrectly
stuck raptor
you use it to reset your gravity acceleration
which is why you do it after the jump apex
vernal hollow
are you casting 3 times
Did it twice
But i think we r thinking of a diff jump
Im doing it from the edge beneath
The jump to where u first see hornet
Or what exactly she is called
stuck raptor
yes. you need 3 there
until you get proficient
then you can reduce to 2
the video above is just to help visualize just how much extra horizontal distance you get from casting it late
vernal hollow
oooh
I rewatched where i saw it I think i get it now
Is there any purpose of doing it backwards or is it purely for the acceleration reset and it doesnt matter what direction?
stuck raptor
there is a small pushback with fireball too
so yes, doing it backwards moves you left
pine rover
I've heard that QGA is doable with only vs, dash, and a shade, but I can't find an example of it. Does anyone have a video or smth of it, if it's true?
Wait nvm I found it lol
fair pewter
Hi, would anyone mind helping me w this jump?
you could use the fly it's not as hard
coarse rivet
PB PB !!
green parcel
I was thinking about why so many in the radical left participate in "speedrunning". The reason is the left's lack of work ethic ('go fast' rather than 'do it right') and, in a Petersonian sense, to elevate alternative sexual archetypes in the marketplace ('fastest mario'). Obviously, there are exceptions to this and some people more in the center or right also "speedrun". However, they more than sufficient to prove the rule, rather than contrast it. Consider how woke GDQ has been, almost since the very beginning. Your eyes will start to open. Returning to the topic of the work ethic... A "speedrunner" may well spend hours a day at their craft, but this is ultimately a meaningless exercise, since they will ultimately accomplish exactly that which is done in less collective time by a casual player. This is thus a waste of effort on the behalf of the "speedrunner". Put more simply, they are spending their work effort on something that someone else has already done (and done in a way deemed 'correct' by the creator of the artwork). Why do they do this? The answer is quite obvious if you think about it. The goal is the illusion of speed and the desire (SUBCONSCIOUS) to promote radical leftist, borderline Communist ideals of how easy work is. Everyone always says that "speedruns" look easy. That is part of the aesthetic. Think about the phrase "fully automated luxury Communism" in the context of "speedrunning" and I strongly suspect that things will start to 'click' in your
mind. What happens to the individual in this? Individual accomplishment in "speedrunning" is simply waiting for another person to steal your techniques in order to defeat you. Where is something like "intellectual property" or "patent" in this necessarily communitarian process? Now, as to the sexual archetype model and 'speedrunning' generally... If you have any passing familiarity with Jordan Peterson's broader oeuvre and of Jungian psychology, you likely already know where I am going with this. However, I will say more for the uninitiated. Keep this passage from Maps of Meaning (91) in mind: “The Archetypal Son... continually reconstructs defined territory, as a consequence of the 'assimilation' of the unknown [as a consequence of 'incestuous' (that is, 'sexual' – read creative) union with the Great Mother]". In other words, there is a connection between 'sexuality' and creativity that we see throughout time (as Peterson points out with Tiamat and other examples). In the sexual marketplace, which archetypes are simultaneously deemed the most creative and valued the highest? The answer is obviously entrepreneurs like Elon Musk and others. Given that we evolved and each thing we do must have an evolutionary purpose (OR CAUSE), what archetype is the 'speedrunner' engaged in, who is accomplishing nothing new? They are aiming to make a new sexual archetype, based upon 'speed' rather than 'doing things right' and refuse ownership of what few innovations they can provide to their own scene, denying creativity within their very own sexual archetype. This is necessarily leftist. The obvious protest to this would be the 'glitchless
100% run', which in many ways does aim to play the game 'as intended' but seems to simply add the element of 'speed' to the equation. This objection is ultimately meaningless when one considers how long a game is intended to be played, in net, by the creators, even when under '100%' conditions. There is still time and effort wasted for no reason other than the ones I proposed above. By now, I am sure that I have bothered a number of you and rustled quite a few of your feathers. I am not saying that 'speedrunning' is bad, but rather that, thinking about the topic philosophically, there are dangerous elements within it. That is all.
digital jewel
thanks obama
knotty vigil
vocal compass
vernal hollow
when u try to boost urself in fungan waste with the explosive projectiles
is that even possible in the newer versions?
when I attempt to do it the thing just explodes on me and takes 2 lives
stuck raptor
yes. but the technique is slightly different on current patch
vernal hollow
Could u show me how it works?
stuck raptor
no i'm at work
join the speedrun discord that's pinned
and check the resources there
vernal hollow
ty
wanton folio
Man every time I try to speedrun the game I get sidetracked so easily
plucky elbow
Wait nvm I found it lol
Could you link that?
pine rover
Could you link that?
wanton folio
Speedrun idea
Communist speedrun
You cannot spend geo
wanton folio
You can collect geo
Just don't spend it
Or I guess 0 geo works too
weary root
cerulean escarp
Which version of Hollow knight do people speedrun?
true palm
you can speedrun any version, theres separate boards
1.2.2.1 has been the most popular overall as its the fastest patch for NMG, but 1.4/1.5 are really popular right now
certain categories can only be ran on certain versions. like 112%
Latest Patch is currently the fastest patch if you run All Glitches
cerulean escarp
1.2.2.1 has been the most popular overall as its the fastest patch for NMG, but ...
Oh so it makes sense to do 1.5 right now since it's the latest
true palm
its up to you, 1.2.2.1 has some things 1.5 doesnt that people like
mid air inventory drops, baldur insta kill, spire lever skip to name a couple
1.2.2.1 is a more optimized patch, the WR for any% NMG on 1.2.2.1 has less timeloss than the one for 1.4.3.2+
but it has performance issues, especially on lower end machines
cerulean escarp
Ahh, I think I'll do 1.2.2.1
Since it also seems the most fun to do
Thank you for the information
true palm
ye np
if ur looking on where to start, we generally recommend any% nmg or all skills nmg
any% is shorter, all skills is easier
cerulean escarp
What do they mean by all skills? Like all abilities?
true palm
ye its all the movement upgrades
nail arts, wings, shade cloak, ismas
basically no dreamgate, no nail upgrades, no mask or vessel upgrades
get all the upgraded spells and stuff
true palm
still have to beat the game
cerulean escarp
Oh so basically Any% + the abilities
cerulean escarp
Only 16 min extra wauw
true palm
a lot of the all skills run focuses on the use of dash slash to hit levers through walls
its a pretty cool category, mostly movement focused
if you go to https://speedrun.com/hollowknight you can check out a couple runs, just fast forward and see if it looks fun
and then if you check the pinned comments you'll find a link to the speedrunning discord
cerulean escarp
and then if you check the pinned comments you'll find a link to the speedrunning...
true palm
pinned comments in this channel
cerulean escarp
its a pretty cool category, mostly movement focused
It does sound fun
true palm
good luck 
cerulean escarp
thick vessel
Dumb question what's the wr time rn and who is it by?
stuck raptor
thick vessel
Aight thx
pine rover
My first ever completed speedrun! It sucks arse, but it was fun nonetheless 
Ignore # of runs and the Enter QG split, I've had some, erm, "technical difficulties" before, and I gave up on QGA
proven delta
Does anyone know how viable fury strat any% nmg Speedrun is?
Compared to current stat
stuck raptor
fury is slower for any%.
vestal mountain
so i see fireb0rn vid about the true ending TAS no spells and... wat is those hitboxes lmao
analog monolith
very close lol
vestal mountain
Does anyone know how viable fury strat any% nmg Speedrun is?
-high risk of dying and losing the run
-takes time to get fury
-dreamers heals you
-required face tanking in beast's den
+saves time in combat sections like false knight, watcher knights and Uumuu
but not enough tho ^
hollow tusk
Does ||menu storage that lets you have godhome upgrades in beginning of normal game|| still work on current patch. If so, is it any different?
stuck raptor
main menu storage?
hollow tusk
yes
rancid summit
this movement
weary root
I tried to do it... but uhh. what happened?
Ooh I've definitely seen this happen to someone else before. Might have been Lern? Don't think anyone ever figured out why though.
Definitely try again, and if it keeps happening maybe send a clip of it.
vagrant warren
That's livesplit. You can download splits or make your own
formal bough
no mac version sorry
spare depot
why is it so hard to find the route for TE?
ah
i just dont have the effort to learn routes for super long runs lmao
coral shore
why is it so hard to find the route for TE?
Maybe this one will work, not entirely sure its up to date. This one may be hard, but you can get shriek so the radiance fight is easier
thorny musk
spare depot
thx
half patio
Im having trouble with auto splits, The Path of Pain completed auto split does not work. any one know how to fix or an alternative
sage moon
Did you enable the end triggering auto-split in the settings?
half patio
yes
delicate peak
Can you not explosion pogo in the newest patch?
stable moon
It’s more complicated because you can only pogo the projectile and not the explosion
delicate peak
Yea i was asking about the explosion
Ehh im not going to wr or smth i guess ill pick the long way around for mantis village
Its no such deal
analog monolith
1221
https://pastebin.com/Vx1d7MzE
cp
https://pastebin.com/bfru1T23
(note that 1.4+ wr also uses a variant route closer to the 1221 route, but with a couple small changes to make dream wielder use more accessible)
vapid knoll
i just spent like an hour practicing current patch e-pogo. it's a pain but def possible
i'm not sure how much of the variance is just the chaos of the exact movements of the projectile and how much is me sucking at this, but i can't even get it half the time
sometimes i do all the stalls right in all the right places (dash left > short fall nudged to the right > vs right > dash left > vs left) and the projectile just ends up too far away to pogo for no apparent reason
i will practice more and see how much i improve
random pelican
Just wanna post my newest pb cause i got a sudden massive improvement from nowhere
So my best record was 1 hour 28 minutes a couple months ago. I seem to have gotten concistent on greenpath fireball skips now, and bullying thk every day helped a lot too. I started to try epogo for the first time two days ago, and i got a 58 minute pb yesterday with dying to thk once, first try epogo, sucky watchers and uumuu fight, but no deaths (i tend to die a few times to either of those). And today with dying to thk twice and failing epogo once, and having a really slow ummuu fight, i got this. Thats nice. Didnt think i could go this fast. This was any% 1.4.3.2
solid laurel
nice
steady lynx
Low% is 11%
random pelican
Any% on patch 1.4.3.2
half patio
Did you enable the end triggering auto-split in the settings?
the POP complete auto split wont trigger a split in the middle or start a split either, the trigger is just not working for me.
sage moon
Well then I have no idea
half patio
should I open an issue on the git hub?
sage moon
If you can't find an answer anywhere else than sure
half patio
thanks
spare depot
on true ending runs would it make it easier to get nail 1 or harder because of dream warriors?
sage moon
There's a Shade Soul route and a Nail 2 route
I'd imagine the Shade Soul route doesn't get nail 1
spare depot
it doesnt usually, but i was wondering if it would make it easier because true ending runs are usually hard, im not going for wr or anything
sage moon
I'm not sure, you'd have to look at damage/health values on the wiki or wait for someone who knows to answer
steady lynx
If you did more dream bosses like Tyrant and WD it'd be faster with nail1 but it's not really fast
stuck raptor
your damage source is spells, not your nail. getting nail 1 when you have shade soul doesn't make much difference in your damage output
sage moon
Having more nail damage can also hurt your soul collection
stuck raptor
and given that it basically doubles the dream warriors' hp, it's not worth it
sage moon
Apostrophes save lives 
steady lynx
Even mid length categories that do most of the game like 112, 107, 106, AB, etc don't really get nail upgrades until after everything that scales to nail is dead
sage moon
112 is mid length?
steady lynx
Yes.
sage moon
Huh
coral shore
Wouldn't be surprised if only All Achievements is a long cat in opinion of Gusten.
coral shore
it doesnt usually, but i was wondering if it would make it easier because true e...
to make things easier, you could get shriek.
It's not even that slower, i think
steady lynx
With how long Silksong is taking I'm hoping the 100% run there is like 5 hours
coral shore
I hope Any% run is like 10 hours
And glitched is like 10 minutes. That way more people would do glitched stuff
coral shore
What BWDNMGL% mean btw?
sage moon
Blessed-Warpless-Deathless* NMG Lowish%
sage moon
Can't lose the WR if nobody runs it
sage moon
Whats so blessed about it?
It's the name of the achievement you get for getting all charms
coral shore
Ah, I see. For some reason I thought NMG was Nailmasters glory, and I though the point of speedrun is to get glory as fast as possible. But now I get it
coral shore
Yeah, I think you do
sage moon
Maybe some VS shenanigans could help
coral shore
Maybe, i've definetly never saw any shadeskipless skips to sheo
I mean, looking at the fact that NMG doesn't mean No Major Glitches now... I am positive that it is possible with a bit of mms magic
or dgate noclip, maybe
sage moon
The first jump doesn't seem possible with only dash, VS, and Mantis Claw
coral shore
also is there a way to get invincibility without dgate?
thats something you should ask at speedrun discord, I think. There is more chance to actually get an answer
coral shore
The first jump doesn't seem possible with only dash, VS, and Mantis Claw
We also should have cyclone slash at this point. Maybe that could help somehow.
steady lynx
also is there a way to get invincibility without dgate?
yes.
sage moon
We also should have cyclone slash at this point. Maybe that could help somehow.
I can't get enough height, but if you could I think you could make it
If I could bounce off of whatever the enemy's called and charge a Cyclone Slash in time it could maybe work
Unless there's some obscure Cyclone Slash tech that lets you stall more that I don't know about, than I don't think it's possible without a shade skip
With an airwalk jump it's definitely possible
Or you could just, y'know, shade skip
coral shore
Yeah, I think its impossible without shade. Sadge
sage moon
30 second timeloss in route that doesn't exist yet 
sage moon
Well my route definitely wouldn't use it, since I need to go back to Greenpath with C-dash to get Shape of Unn
coral shore
True
sage moon
Now that I think about it, is Nailmaster's Glory% a thing?
coral shore
I don't know
sage moon
But on a side note, I'm pretty sure you can get Deep Focus without C-Dash
It's just really annoying
Well if it is possible, I can't get it
Pretty sure the laser is hardcoded to always send you right when you hit it
quasi wadi
Hi, I'm very new to speedrunning, and I have a few quick questions about setting up LiveSplit. I followed fireborn's tutorial on Speedrunning.com exactly and it wouldn't automatically start or save splits or anything.
sage moon
- Make sure you open Livesplit after opening up Hollow Knight
- Make sure you enabled the autosplitter
- Check to see if the split triggers are actually there (Edit Splits -> Settings, There should be a list of the splits) and that everything is the way it should be (ie. End Triggering Auto-split is on if you're not doing a run that beats the game)
- You could try redownloading the splits if nothing else is working
quasi wadi
Yeah I've pretty much tried all of those things. I've moved on to watching videos step by step. Hopefully it works
quasi wadi
Finally got it working
coral shore
Congrats
regal harness
I complete hollow knight yesterday
muted mica
Is 25 minute mothwing cloak bad for a first speedrun
muted mica
Is 25 minute mothwing cloak bad for a first speedrun
Just trying to get achievements
signal moth
Pb at 2 hours 13 minutes, cant submit it but very excited ( sorry that its blurry)
austere flume
Pb at 2 hours 13 minutes, cant submit it but very excited ( sorry that its blurr...
nice cock bro!
i want to speedrun but i only know the speedrun till hornet and i suck at skips
crystal hull
Are the HK TAS scripts (or whatever they are called) public, if so where can I find them?
stable moon
Wdym?
pine rover
Has anyone completed a run without cDash and Isma's yet?
cinder hemlock
i just started to speedrun this game, i downpatched it to 1.2.2.1, and it works fine, but when i mess up and delete the save file to restart the run, my mouse buttons don't work... i have no idea on how to fix this, on the menu the mouse works. the only solution i found to fix it was to restart the pc, but if i delete the save file and start a new one, the mouse buttons stop working again, but its really slow to restart the pc every time i have to reset the run.
steady lynx
1221 doesn't normally support mouse buttons as inputs
The keyboard+mouse runner has a program called blue.exe to fix that
cinder hemlock
thanks
steady lynx
Probably in the resources chat in the pinned server btw
rancid summit
Hi
I saw a documentary on hk speedrunning, and in it, it is said that collecting the money for the lamp is a major aspect of the run
Is this still the case?
Since I see all the speedruns not picking up that first wanderers journal at the well, and I asked myself why
steady lynx
It's a Hallownest Seal
And show me a video of you picking it up without claw and without spending more than 10 ish seconds doing so
Then it's maybe useful for any%
True ending already gets it though
sly tulip
is there an easier any% route that gets ddark or something?
coral shore
is there an easier any% route that gets ddark or something?
There is a shade soul route, i think, but ddark is super out of the way for any% nmg iirc
serene dawn
I've been trying to downgrade to patch 1.2.2.1, but have been having some issues. (NETcore 6.0 and Depot 2.4.5) (Windows 64x on Windows 11)
coral shore
I think you can downpatch 1221 by choosing it with Manage -> Properties -> Betas
serene dawn
I think you can downpatch 1221 by choosing it with Manage -> Properties -> Betas
I'll see
serene dawn
is there an easier any% route that gets ddark or something?
A lot of routing can be done by preferance, and also skips that haven't been discovered.
Also, are you talking about AG or NMG
Because there is of course a substantial difference between the two.
true palm
any% is just beat the game, theres an infinite amount of potentially "easier" routes
theres some popular easier routes
generally its just nail 1, sporeshroom, shade soul, deepnest, but you can do whatever
serene dawn
I think you can downpatch 1221 by choosing it with Manage -> Properties -> Betas
Ah alright
coral shore
W8, how does sporeshroom helps?
true palm
on 1.4.3.2 it just does a ton of damage to thk
cuz spaghetti
doesn't work on 1.2.2.1 or 1.5
true palm
ye so you just pick it up during deepnest route, each sporeshroom does almost a full shriek worth of damage
and the damage is done by you healing
coral shore
Thats a lot of damage!
serene dawn
i think i just lost my pb run on portal 2 because of steam cloud, yikes
true palm
its only round 15s slower, but thats with optimal fight strats that involve taking damage to reset sporeshroom cooldown
serene dawn
I'm not good at AG, its very learny and once crashed my pc while performing one of the many glitches
coral shore
its only round 15s slower, but thats with optimal fight strats that involve taki...
15s in comparing with cp runs, right?
coral shore
I'm not good at AG, its very learny and once crashed my pc while performing one ...
Good for you that most popular categories are NMG in this game
true palm
15s in comparing with cp runs, right?
yes
part of that is because qg is slower cuz no hazard respawn
it saves about 25s in the fight
coral shore
Yeah, makes sense. Also lever on watchers is annoying
true palm
lever on watchers doesn't matter for the route difference on deepnest/qg routes, in general its kind of rough
some categories can cheese the ghs with shriek through the floor at least
signal moth
nice cock bro!
Got another pb at 1 hour 23 minutes 57 seconds
harsh condor
yo is a 1:27:55 a good time for my second completed run?
It's RTA so really it's more like a 1:23 but idk
wind phoenix
abstract notch
Congrat
reef glacier
Is there a known glitch that lets you wall jump into the wall, and just go up, I accidentally did this in greenpath and thought it might be able to help with tas?
stable moon
You mean without claw right?
It’s known, ruled a major glitch, and not useful basically anywhere
fathom sparrow
I want to speedrun this game but idk where to start with learning how to speedrun it
true palm
pinned comments has a link to the speedrunning discord, https://speedrun.com/hollowknight has guides and stuff
basically just start with watching a couple runs and asking questions about them, see what you want to start with, setup practice tools, watch a guide, practice, and then run the game
fathom sparrow
alright thanks, is it possible to post your best time even when it's on a switch?
proven delta
Yeah i think
fathom sparrow
ok then, how would I set up the switch then so that I can post it on speedrun.com
weary root
You can either use a capture card to record the switch with a computer, or just point a camera at the screen.
Keep in mind HK has a bunch of submission rules (which you can see the full list of on speedrun.com) like showing the title screen before the run, and being able to hear the game sounds
trail karma
What’s the fastest speed run for the newest update
sage moon
For real the fastest fastest run is probably KP IL fastest
Death% would like to have a word with you
tardy escarp
is it possible to downpatch on gamepass?
steady lynx
Death% would like to have a word with you
I'm pretty sure you can't die in under 15 seconds
sage moon
I'm pretty sure you can't die in under 15 seconds
Maybe that's just because you're a casual speedrunner who doesn't go for top times 
steady lynx
And it'll never be because it is, the single worst shitpost bar only Fury%
steady lynx
Actually, Fury% might be a better shitpost since it has the cool pogo
sage moon
Nah, I think walking into a Crawlid 5 times is a much cooler speedrun
steady lynx
Would be cooler with beta king's patch on current patch
Inventory drop into spikes and then just walk into them 4 times
fierce hull
what speedrun is the clawless blue lake shade skip used on?
stuck raptor
true ending, great hopper%, probably a few others
inner tartan
Is there an easier way to get cdash in low%
The platforming that they do in the speed run is really hard and I don’t want to do it
Never mind I did it
dim lake
what mods can you have on while speedrunning?
knotty vigil
none
well, it depends on the category actually, some allow minisave states
but in general, you cannot have any mods on
formal bough
Also there is speedrun.com/hkmods, but otherwise you can't even have modding API
so you need to be on a vanilla client
charred garnet
Ye mini save states instead a mod
sly tulip
how much does ddark any% route lose?
limber jay
when the heck is silksong coming out
digital jewel
Tomorrow
charred garnet
how much does ddark any% route lose?
alot
dive isnt AS much but still a decent amount
sly tulip
whats a route that makes wk and thk significantly easier but doesnt lose thaaaat much. Im talking about getting sub hour with it
steady lynx
Shade soul route
Basically TE up to WK and then any% route the rest
Except not entirely TE route
If you're on 1221 it's pretty exactly All Skills up to Shade Soul and then go kill WK
sly tulip
ok thanks
steady lynx
We actually have a few outdated guides on src, the Godhome Ending route there is very outdated for example
I should go through them all and check how relevant they are
crisp warren
hi, i am just starting to get everything set up for speedruning with fireborns tutorial and i was wondering if i need to download a specific mod installer.
open egret
Does Fireb0rn still hold the world record for Hollow Knight Speedrun?
open egret
Oh, Thank you for the quick response and the answer.
crisp warren
np
weary root
fire is like 7th or something
crisp warren
he is 10th
weary root
incredible
coral shore
If you mean for practice (modding api is NOT allowed in most categories), than you could either use scarab or mod installer (both can be found in pinned messages in #archived-modding-help ). For 1.2.2.1 runs practice you could also find modding api for 1221 (I don't have a link for it, sorry)
And modding api for 1221 includes debug mod by default iirc
crisp warren
yea thank you, i just needed some practice.
old vapor
Dumb question: why do any% NMG runners get crystal heart?
digital jewel
to get to monomon
old vapor
Can't you skip that with wallcling storage?
digital jewel
yes
old vapor
Is it that precise that no one found a setup?
charred garnet
its not allowed unles it can be done normally
u can wcs but i has to aslso be accesable w/o it
formal bough
wall cling storage is considered a major glitch if it is used to do something that you couldn't do without it. Some people have done runs where they did allow wall cling storage but to the best of my knowledge it never really got anywhere
analog monolith
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/p2d5f
https://imgur.com/a/NXcWcli this map guide also exists, and might be better to follow for more visual learners or if u need a map
(pinging bc hey it might be good to have for the future)
harsh hull
can anyone help me setup live splits
cause if followed the gide but its just not starting when i start my run
i am using splits premade
nvm i fixed it
knotty vigil
https://imgur.com/a/NXcWcli this map guide also exists, and might be better to f...
how fast is this route?
seems pretty slow
steady lynx
It's far slower than the standard route but a lot of beginner runners prefer it due to how easy it is
analog monolith
if i had to guess it probably loses around 5-7 minutes overall?
knotty vigil
I do a similar route without soul and its like an hour
solemn robin
How do I do PoP speedruns without QoL mod?
true palm
minisavestates mod is allowed for il's
otherwise you just copy save files
should join the server in the pinned comments for resources and stuff
solemn robin
thanks a lot
fallen lake
Hi I have a problem I passed the version of my game for the speedrun in 1.2.2.1 with the video of
fireb0rn . When I launch the game everything goes well in the title screen and as soon as I launch the games, the quote from the beginning appears, I skip it and there I have a black screen. If you have a solution it would be cool
Thank you in advance.
steady lynx
Try downloading it directly from steam with the beta setup
knotty vigil
For p5 speedruns, how much time do you lose for having tiso at mawlek
steady lynx
6
coral shore
6 time 
delicate peak
hey guys i got wings in 2 hours, dunno where to go, i didnt get any dreamers yet, i kinda struggle with watcher knights, anyone here to help me out?
this is my first speedrun so dont expect me to be so good
random wadi
how do u speedrun it then
stuck raptor
play game from start to finish
wise harness
And do it well fast
cedar hemlock
You need to equip sprintmaster for the running part
stuck raptor
debug
stuck raptor
yes
runic gazelle
is there a legal way to get minisavestates working on current patch?
figured it out nvm
coral shore
is there a legal way to get minisavestates working on current patch?
nah, only illegal. Cops are already onto you
delicate peak
Guys i got wings in 2h but i dunno where should i go now, someone help pls?
sterile wren
Guys i got wings in 2h but i dunno where should i go now, someone help pls?
Get descending dark
delicate peak
Ok, thanks, whats after that?
sterile wren
Idk just go get the dreamers
delicate peak
Ok thanks
sterile wren
You'll want lantern too
sterile wren
Good, you have plenty of time for the 5hr achievement
delicate peak
Uhh herrah took quite some time
2h 41m and first dreamer is down
And i dont even remember where is the exit of the den
Can i go get monomon without shade dash?
delicate peak
3h 28m and i got monomon down
I started hating uumuu
Ahh i should really get some nail upgrades but i dont have money
I lost my 700 geo at beasts den
Should i go fight soul master, so i have better damage for watcher knights
I spent quite some time attempting watcher knights
muted quiver
some can mp me to routes for speedrun
delicate peak
What was the anylow% speedrun? How many %
steady lynx
Literally what are you talking about?
pine rover
What do you need vs for in low%? I suppose there are skips that require it, but where?
quick shore
Is possible do a speedrun running the game in a potato?
smoky sapphire
My first speedrun is done 4h 15m (34%)
thick vessel
Got sent here so any good places to practice shade vs skips?
near nova
Whats the WR in current patch???
digital jewel
4 minutes
digital jewel
4 minutes 36 seconds
stable moon
iflx 
spare depot
I just got a bug on 1.2.2.1 where i randomly couldn't wall jump, does that just happen or was it just a one time thing?
digital jewel
was this after the big elevator into city of tears
spare depot
not directly after, but on the same save after
it was in ancient basin in the wings room
vagrant warren
I always stand so politely in elevators after learning about that glitch
digital jewel
if you walljump in the elevator you can lose walljump privilege
vagrant warren
Although if you managed to climb to the fight might be so.ething different?
spare depot
i was wall jumping fine after the elevator it was just randomly in the wings room
i had to save and quit then it worked
digital jewel
oh did you enter lost kin fight?
spare depot
yes
digital jewel
yeah you were walljumping when the fight was over I guess?
digital jewel
any time you're clinging to a wall when you transition from one room to another I think you lose walljump
spare depot
ah
barren zenith
I submitted a run and it was rejected because it didnt have game audio but the run did have game audio so is there a way to resubmit it?
stable moon
any time you're clinging to a wall when you transition from one room to another ...
transition wcs exists though
probably just sync loads
placid ore
do people prefer speedrunning with keyboard or controller
stable moon
yes, usually
true palm
probably just sync loads
it is in fact just sync loads
and iirc you have to wall jump, not just cling
if you wall jump and immediately load a savestate it can do it
delicate peak
4 minutes 36 seconds
What category is this? Probably a pantheon?
Wait.. is it all glitches?
digital jewel
Any%
iron vessel
do people prefer speedrunning with keyboard or controller
controler i think
stuck raptor
?srpsa
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
distant furnace
alright
stable moon
controler i think
People use both
smoky sapphire
I did my second speedrun 2h 17m
keen kettle
I'm trying PoH speedruns but for some reason my vengefly king split splits automatically before I've beaten them, anyone know why?
slow pivot
how does one kill uumuu in 2 cycles in current patch?
or at least 3
i keep getting 6-7 cycles
knotty vigil
how does one kill uumuu in 2 cycles in current patch?
It’s very very hard
Not reliable
slow pivot
is 3 reliable?
slow pivot
not sure where I'm supposed to lure them
knotty vigil
I normally get 4 cycles
knotty vigil
not sure where I'm supposed to lure them
It’s to the end of the stage
Like at the middle platform height
And then you hit it
Vegnful spirit
Dash to it
And repeat that 2 more times
And you want to have some of your spirits get double hits
You don’t need all of them to
slow pivot
collecting soul is a pain
knotty vigil
Yeah
First cycle is easy
You can just get it before hand
But you gotta time the other dream nails right and go in a good position to do them
Thats the video I used
knotty vigil
Np
slow pivot
my uumuu just did 4 attacks before getting quirreled.. i feel like that's not supposed to happen
slow pivot
that's a very low chance then.. i hardly ever see it
steady lynx
It's rare unless the game senses that you're on a good pace, then it becomes a 95% chance to happen
stable moon
Isn’t it like 1/4-1/3 ish to happen on a given run if you two cycle?
steady lynx
It's also very slightly fps dependent
Shoutouts to like 3fps when a 2 attack becomes possible on first cycle
true palm
its 1/4 for second cycle around ish, and 1/8 ish for the first one
steady lynx
CC do you have the numbers for the fabled 2-1 attack?
slow pivot
so bad computer = good rng? 8)
steady lynx
Sawa moment
steady lynx
Wonder why the TASers just decided to ignore that, almost like its awful
frank ravine
Is there way to easily put the splits in without having to write them out myself? (On livesplit btw)
true palm
cinder hemlock
hi, i want to speedrun this game and im using livesplit to see if im improving, i want to make livesplit transparent but the only tutorials i found on google are with an obs settings, is there a way to do this without obs? i don't have a second monitor and keeping livesplit like this covers a lot on the screen.
stable moon
Livesplit layout settings let you scale the transparency
I believe that’s just for you though, it won’t be in the recording
Another solution is to not play HK in full screen
cinder hemlock
thanks
i don't want to record the runs for now
but it still does not work
if i change the opacity to 0 the whole window turns almost transparent
and i cant make the text normal
restive forum
what about my mods
that i have currently
do I uniinstall them first
or will it do it for me
abstract notch
Just make a copy of the hollow knight folder elsewhere
formal bough
There's no way the mods would still work on the downpatched version, I suspect that they will still be in your game folder but not do anything
Mods don't do anything without modding api
and downpatching won't have modding api
restive forum
okay
abstract notch
If you want mods for 1221 there's a guide for that, but it only really has debug and some other random stuff if you manage to find the mods somehow
restive forum
I don't want mods
I was just asking to see if it would
bug my game if i downpatch
witth the mods uninstalled
abstract notch
There's a chance you may have issues in other ways in which case you need to clear the registry
Happens when downpatch
restive forum
how do I get the
livesplit timer
to go off
as soon as I start
and load into King's Pass?
nvm i did it
hazy otter
Can some one help me pls. I am new to Hollow Knight and I am learning the route to speedrun, but whenever I restart a run, and drop into kings pass, my nail doesn't work. I will have to unbind my nail button and rebind it. I am not sure what is going on or how to fix it. it is not that big of a deal but it messes enemy positions. i dont have any mods installed except livesplit. To clarify I am playing on keyboard and my nail button is left click.
steady lynx
Mouse buttons are very annoying binds with this game
Older patches don't even support it at all
steady lynx
If you join the pinned discord there should be a resources chat, in there is a program called blue.exe that might help
Alternatively you can just swap to only keyboard
cinder hemlock
can someone help me, when i start the run livesplit starts normally, but doesn't register the game time, only the real time, the game time remains to 0
slow pivot
lol they called it blue.exe because blue_sr uses mouse?
cinder hemlock
can someone help me, when i start the run livesplit starts normally, but doesn't...
please
wicked trench
Go to edit layout and it should be there under "timer"
Or even faster "compare against game time"
Right-click from livesplit, should be in the bottom part
steady lynx
lol they called it blue.exe because blue_sr uses mouse?
Yes it's named after him because he was the only one to use mouse and keyboard
slow pivot
there's no tutorial for pogaxe, but cc made one for low% pogaxe
hmm
is it different on current patch?
true palm
ye
its rng and bad, you have to go pretty fast
and i'd just watch a couple top runs to see what they do for it
stable moon
Pogaxe is like less rng on current patch
Well, it’s possible to get it every time but you could lose rng time to it
It’s consistent just harder
true palm
i mean you can get it every time on 1.2.2.1 if you just down spam to hover
and no its not consistent
because the miner can wiggle for as long as it wants and if you guess wrong when it stops wiggling you lose
it can also fake out as well, so even if you react to it stopping it can immediately go back to it
there is nothing you can do to handle the miner properly like 20% of the time going for pogaxe on cp
stable moon
It’s not a guess it’s a reaction
You react to fakes by going back into its range
Maybe there’s some rng that makes it impossible but on the occasions I miss it it def feels like my fault
knotty vigil
whats a good charm build for pop running
coral shore
I think there was shamans, dashmaster, nmg, mark of pride. Not an expert though, you better ask in speedrun discord (link is pinned in this channel)
Usually people who can answer most of the question sit there, and not here
steady lynx
Sharp Shadow is also highly recommended
coral shore
Oh, yeah. Forgot about it. I don't think they overcharm in pop speedruns though, do they?
bright jay
Vengeful spirit is required to do shade skip correct?
coral shore
I wonder why compass is such a meme, and not gathering swarm. Like, i never used gathering swarm, even in first playthrough, but I did use compass. And for speedrunning both charms are really cosmetic. So I think its unfair discrimination of swarm
coral shore
Vengeful spirit is required to do shade skip correct?
could you explain what you mean?
bright jay
Right now I am trying to do a summon only run
Meaning everything I kill in the game I need to do with a summon
The earliest summon charm I know you can get is dream Shield
But to get that I need to do shade skip
coral shore
No, vs is not required for shade skip. But wouldn't you need to kill gruz mother to get to salubras hut?
coral shore
I mean, if you're doing nmg run, than I think you can't progress without killing anything (not sure though). But I know that glitches would make it possible
bright jay
I am also guessing most people would agree that spells do not count as summons
formal bough
correct
bright jay
I do know that there is one glitch where if you access your inventory right as you are about to pick up for example a mask Shard you end up floating in the air
I do not know if they patch that out though
formal bough
accessing your inventory like that has been patched out
there are ways to get around that
coral shore
Does this run have to be on latest patch?
bright jay
I am on Console so yes
formal bough
but regardless an easier strat would probably to just bench out of bounds into fungal if I knew how to do those
like I just don't know how bench out of bounds work
okay yeah if you wanted to use glitches it feels like bench storage from elderbug + dirtmouth bench into oob to get to fungal and then you have claw
with a small shade skip epogo skip
then with claw you can get weaversong
0 kills only a little bit of major glitching
bright jay
Not sure how to do bench storage
coral shore
I am on Console so yes
Oh, i see. Well, i think that you can get float by quickmap storage (quickmap - vs - quickmap). And i think it works on current patch, but I also think that you need to S&Q every time you do it or fail it. Do yeah, on cp its problematic. But if you want to try it, you should do it in room with aspid arena, before going into room that leads to fungal, so you get pfloat (float but with uncapped height if jump). To turn off float, u use vs again
formal bough
Oh, i see. Well, i think that you can get float by quickmap storage (quickmap - ...
getting vs = multiple kills
if you're major glitching don't accept a bad solution
formal bough
Not sure how to do bench storage
I believe quick map - talk to elderbug - quick map in very quick succession should allow you to move with elderbug's textbox, then sitting on the bench and opening inventory then progresssing through textbox and going through well should give bench storage
coral shore
getting vs = multiple kills
Oh yeah, you can't leave from mound without killing baulder on cp, my bad
formal bough
S&Q between quick map storage attempts
I think should work
I'm not 100% confident in this
coral shore
And also aspid arena... I'm dumb when it comes to not killing things. Sorry
formal bough
Then with bench storage you can open your inventory mid load to interrupt the load and fall down from the left side of aspid room into the fungal access room then from fungal access room to the bottom of fungal access room
formal bough
And also aspid arena... I'm dumb when it comes to not killing things. Sorry
no problem I've just thought too much about this in general lmao
formal bough
oh my god that's so much more consistent than anything I've tried before like that
I've done this before but that looks so much better
I never thought about hitting the first stalactite
bright jay
I am not really sure what made me think to hit it in the first place either all lol
I should also add that I am perfectly okay with doing major glitches
Because otherwise I have no clue how I would do this run
formal bough
well the real answer then would be godhome mms
bright jay
Mms?
formal bough
main menu storage
bright jay
Ah
formal bough
basically you get to start the game with every ability
but if you just want minimal major glitching the strategy listed above will work
I just confirmed the bench storage from elderbug
And then boobs are a thing that I know works
you just bench oob here
and that first bench oob is optional if you've already killed the aspids
bright jay
You would not mind getting in a VC would you? This is a bit for me to take in because there are so many speedrun terms that I have never even heard of 😅
It is fine if you do not want to I was just curious
formal bough
I can give you some videos
bright jay
Thanks
formal bough
If done correctly, you're interrupting the talk to elderbug so you get to move while talking to elderbug. With that you sit on the bench, open inventory, go through dialogue, and walk away into the transistion [video loading]
Quick map button - it's tab on keyboard, I forget what it is on controller. You press it once, press up to interact with elderbug, then press it again in quick succession
The timing is to press inventory just as the next room becomes visible
then with that you use boob to go out of bounds in these two rooms (first optional)
coral shore
But again, i think everything that is done via quickmap storage (quickmap - interaction - quickmap) needs s&q to work again, even if previous attempt failed (not 100% sure)
formal bough
But again, i think everything that is done via quickmap storage (quickmap - inte...
that is correct
again but with centered camera and hitboxes
coral shore
And also, when doing oob, hold movement key in a direction where the room is (so when oob-ing in aspid arena room, hold right, otherwise you may hardlock yourself)
formal bough
I didn't do that
that's probably smarter tbf
but it isn't required
The more important thing is to be very careful with pressing inventory when you have bench storage
doing it while not in a transistion and where an enemy can't hit you makes you stuk
then you have to S&Q and get it again
coral shore
I always did it, because that what 5b does in his 100% nmms wr. And when i didn't do it, i was always falling out of the map completely (not in aspid room, but in fungal enterance room)
coral shore
I mean, it definitely wouldn't hurt, right?
formal bough
I mean, it definitely wouldn't hurt, right?
yeah it wouldn't
do this instead of a shade skip to get to mantis village - you can bench at leg eater and get bench storage again in the same way as talking to elderbug
then you're going to need to do some pogoing in mantis village room for claw
coral shore
By the way @ the unknown gamer, if you did get interested in major glitches, you should check out speedrunning discord (link pinned in this channel). People there are super friendly, and you have much bigger chances to get an answer to your questions there (and they probably will be more accurate, than what I and Alex say)
bright jay
I will check it out (I will probably need it anyway)
Thanks for all of the help by the way
formal bough
if you have more questions/need more explanation on anything just ping me
bright jay
Will do
coral shore
then you're going to need to do some pogoing in mantis village room for claw
Isn't it summon damage only run?
formal bough
you can just barely also take damage from your shade (or with even more wrangling maaaaybe a flying dude) and not have to pogo
It's tight and will require a second trip
but it's possible
bright jay
Isn't it summon damage only run?
no
formal bough
it's a summon kill only run
which means that the damage tank to get across isn't required but I did lab that out to be safe lmao
coral shore
which means that the damage tank to get across isn't required but I did lab that...
Thats some dedication right there
formal bough
look I had to find out
having debug makes labbing free anyway so it wasn't an issue
coral shore
You did need to get a tight damage tank correctly though, to be sure its possible. So debug makes it easier, but not really free
Btw, how does this "summon kill only" works with bosses? Like, do summons only need to deal a final blow, but all the damage until final blow can be done via nail/spells?
bright jay
Preferably I would like to avoid doing damage with the nail when possible the only time I would really hit anything with the nails to get soul to heal myself
Also hitting things to do skips is fine as well
coral shore
Ok, i see
bright jay
Right now I am trying to do the storage thing but I am having a hard time I am not sure if it is because I am on Console or I am just not doing it properly
I am probably not doing it properly😓
coral shore
Do you S&Q after each attempt, gamer?
bright jay
Like a backup save?
coral shore
No, like after you try doing quickmap dialogue storage, and fail, do you Save and quit and then load the save again? Because you need to do this after each attempt, even if it fails
formal bough
I just successfully got the dialogue and sat on the bench
oh you just got that? sweet
coral shore
I think I just did it
You can check if you got bench storage (if you already got past well transition) by trying to quickmap. I think you can't quickmap if you have benchstorage
bright jay
As I'm jumping down the well I close out the map correct?
formal bough
test by opening inventory in a transistion
if you can't you don't have bench storage
rn I'm struggling with keeping bench storage through transistion
I don't close the inventory when jumping down the well on computer
oh no I just got the bench storage
this is doable on switch
coral shore
test by opening inventory in a transistion
I'm always afraid to check it like that, because if done too late - its hardlock, if done too early - oob. But the method works, and its not like the timing is tough. Just a bit scary
formal bough
this is doable on switch
yep just finished the whole sequence on the switch in front of me
bright jay
I have bench storage
formal bough
awesome
bright jay
I do not open the inventory menu correct
formal bough
where are you rn
bright jay
Cornifer
formal bough
yeah don't open inventory until you reach the transistions I used
then open inventory right as the next room loads in
hi mayo. ignore anything I say if mayo says something he's smarter
stray kestrel
hey alex
i haven't quite caught up on the whole conversation but boob timing does vary a bit, basically you want to open it right after the room gets loaded but before you start the walking in animation
also just to confirm, this is on current patch and not 1221 or 1028 right?
formal bough
console
formal bough
it guarantees the patch is what you mean lmao
stray kestrel
that is a better way to put it yes
but basically if you open inv after the room starts to fade in, its too late
you want to do it right before that
bright jay
Since I already killed the aspids I do not need to do an aspid Arena correct?
stray kestrel
if you don't kill the aspids you can't enter the arena from the fungal transition
the door triggers before you can get past it
formal bough
https://youtu.be/NnbME6fZ4Jo
this is the smartest aspid stalactite killing I've seen lmao
bright jay
this is the smartest aspid stalactite killing I've seen lmao
Thanks
And as I am entering the room I need to open the inventory before the room loads in correct?
stray kestrel
before it fades in
the room will load into existence then will start fading in and you walk in
you want to open inv between the two
formal bough
as long as you don't open it too late and softlock yourself
so better too early than too late
bright jay
Okay I did it I think
stray kestrel
yea there's a slight ledge below the transition in that room
stray kestrel
yep
there's a bunch of rooms in fungal you can also boob around that are pretty fun
stray kestrel
that would depend on your routing
as long as you defeat the aspid arena, you can bench at leg eater and get out fine
formal bough
Bench at leg eater for sure, you're probably going to want to get bench storage again from leg eater to be able to boob near mantis village
to be specific this
formal bough
as long as you defeat the aspid arena, you can bench at leg eater and get out fi...
WRG to getting out the next step is deepnest for weavers anyway so it doesn't matter about the aspids
coral shore
Why get another benchstorage for this boob?
formal bough
if you're going to bench at leg eater so that you can retry mantis village without having to restart from dirtmouth
coral shore
I feel like if you take out messages out of context, they would look really strange
coral shore
if you're going to bench at leg eater so that you can retry mantis village witho...
Makes sense
formal bough
you don't want messages about boobs to be taken out of context, no
coral shore
you don't want messages about boobs to be taken out of context, no
Ok, I'm taking this one with me
stray kestrel
if you want to see this done check out a hiveblood% all glitches speedrun
formal bough
oh really hiveblood AG does this that's cool
stray kestrel
yea hiveblood ag is great
coral shore
Alright guys, have a good night!
stray kestrel
it does mantis pogo tho and not a shade skip if that's your plan
formal bough
they can mantis pogo as long as they don't kill while they do it
which is why I really recommend benching at leg eater for easier restarts
stray kestrel
oh that's going to be a fun time
formal bough
yeah I do legitimately suggest opening lever, then dying so that you have the shade to help
because once you have lever you don't have to go down
you can stay up
bright jay
So clearly I have no clue where to go
formal bough
you do this with the boob at the pink line to get to mantis village
bright jay
Ah ok
stray kestrel
here's hiveblood ag with basically what you're doing https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1296022573?t=0h2m0s
i mess up mantis pogo a little bit tho and kill one but its the same idea
formal bough
if you don't want to risk mantis pogo killing a mantis though it's so much easier to die there and pogo off your shade
since you'll have already opened the lever
obviously that's a lot slower but
stray kestrel
yea, in theory though, you should be able to do it with just two pogos total which won't kill anything
formal bough
mantis pogo is hard though
so
also mayo by how much I'm enjoying just doing some bench storage and stuff when I get a windows pc I will do some glitching
with attempts to be moderately fast glitching but no promises
stray kestrel
stray kestrel
yea its pretty tough itemless
krythom's any% nmms guide shows a decent setup for it if you're intersted in not doing the shade skip
stray kestrel
i think just to the lever mantis is fine
bright jay
also would you all consider thrones a summon charm?
i do
oh and I just got mantis claw
stray kestrel
thrones?
bright jay
of agony
stray kestrel
ah thorns
bright jay
so how do I get to weaver song.
bright jay
do i still need bench storage?
formal bough
No, once you have claw you can do it NMG
bright jay
ah ok
stable moon
But also consider one of the low% nmms routes doesn’t kill enemies (I think)
(With the nail, it does a room dupe and holds right for a few hundred hours to kill birds in acid for essence)
hollow cedar
neither does low% AG!
stable moon
Oh also I may just be wrong i think we kill thk normally
formal bough
I mean obviously when you go all out with glitches it's free
But with like just a boob or two + NMG made it interesting again
midnight sequoia
So I'm having problems at the start of my speedrun. I can't attack for a period of time. I looked it up and I found out that it's because I binded attack to my mouse buttons. I found this but I can't find the resources channel. Can someone help me out?
weary root
it's in the server in the pins not this one
midnight sequoia
ohhhh
stuck sand
https://twitter.com/BlueGoesFast/status/1523278419609407490?s=20&t=0qEjdz-iVKl1Da5oJTRh5w pretty sure this is insanely huge for low%
you no longer have to detour through greenpath, into fog canyon into queen station fireball skip
all you need is to hit this skip and bam
you are in fungal
might save 2-3 min
so sub 40 min is now possible?
stuck sand
geo routing might be harder right?
formal bough
yeah that's why it's being debated currently
if you want to see the debating you can go to the speedrunning server (in the pins) and check out #low percent there
fallow shuttle
How precise is that fireball anyways?
steady lynx
As long as you're in the right position and at low fps it's apparently kinda consistent
Main thing is that it only works on 1.3+ so it's really only usable in current patch categories
royal hazel
https://twitter.com/BlueGoesFast/status/1523278419609407490?s=20&t=0qEjdz-iVKl1D...
this stuff might change speedrunning in hollow knight
stuck sand
this stuff might change speedrunning in hollow knight
sadly it only works in 1.5+
it does not work on 1.2
sad
stuck sand
at least it works in challenge runs and boss order randomisers/randomisers in general
no longer need to do queen station skip
coral shore
sadly it only works in 1.5+
1.3+ no?
vagrant warren
Use in rando is currently questionable since apparently it does not work with QoL installed, although QoL might get an update to accommodate it
steady lynx
1.3 was never tested but the fireball FSM is the same there as on 1424 so one can assume it works
Turns out nobody likes 1.3
coral shore
Actually, are there any cats that use 1.3?
vagrant warren
107% can, and did, but I don't think anyone does anymore
steady lynx
Hiveblood% I guess
107% on 1.3 would save a grand total of 8 seconds over 1.5 in random differences in room layouts
Like the one lever in cpeak they moved
coral shore
What? They moved a lever?
steady lynx
I was compiling a list of changes between 1.3.1.5 and 1.4.2.4 but got bored
The main one that matters for 107 will be featured in a video eventually
fiery sundial
First time
knotty vigil
Now lets see if you can do it even faster
celest geyser
hey so aside from it being 10x as hard wouldnt picking up fury at the very start of the run be a timesave in any%?
im stupid
formal bough
hey so aside from it being 10x as hard wouldnt picking up fury at the very start...
takes more time to pick up fury than the faster boss fights would save
compact valve
first sub 1 hour
sage moon
hey so aside from it being 10x as hard wouldnt picking up fury at the very start...
It also hurts your soul collection since you can only hit weaker enemies once instead of twice while it's active
restive forum
are you allowed to run a speedrun on a pirated copy? cause I don't wanna switch between current patch and beta 1.2.2.1 everytime so thinking of just getting a copy of 1.2.2.1
stuck raptor
no. but you can have two patches installed on the same machine with steam
restive forum
no. but you can have two patches installed on the same machine with steam
can you tell me how?
coral shore
I send a link to a guide, it explains it
stuck raptor
select 1221 beta. copy all files. paste to new place. follow the multiple installed patches part of guide linked. then change beta back to "none"
restive forum
oh ok
worldly heath
This isn't technically a #speedrunning question, but this is where I saw it first. How do you setup the HUD to show the list of tasks to complete? I've seen this on speed running videos. It's a list (maybe with PB times or something for each) down the right side of the screen.
worldly heath
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl
Awesome! Thanks, Mickely!
restive forum
How can I enable windows fullscreen on the grimm troupe patch?
coral shore
Wasn't here a question about vfk strat?
fathom wave
Yeah I deleted it because no one was replying
My bad
But I'm NOT doing what they did in that video
My man was like a sticky bomb
steady lynx
For P1, try to get on top of him, he does the swoop attack, cry, try again
coral shore
Swoop attack?
fathom wave
I have done this
But it's hard to set up
Also Is want it to be a fury run
Aka fotf always being on
So anything that is a risk of getting hit I don't want
Unless it's really reliable
I have a strategy with abyss shriek spam but I often end up falling off after casting it out
coral shore
I mean... Its the first boss, so getting riskier strats on vfk seems logical. But i'm not an il runner, so can't help
fathom wave
I just want to get top 100
coral shore
Btw, in speedrunning discord there is an il-combat discussion, maybe they can help
(link pinned in this channel)
fathom wave
Alright
stuck raptor
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languid zenith
does aqnyone know why the auto split for aluba is not working atm
celest geyser
possibly because alubas are enemies you kill rather than a boss or an item
snow quiver
what's the order for the vengefly king faststrat again?
celest geyser
hit fireball fireball hit fireball iirc
knotty vigil
why isnt this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbOuCqgFf7g not on path of main speed run? yahiko 2m01s is #1 but this video is 1:52
it's a TAS
which means a computer was used to have the knight perform frame perfect inputs for the whole thing
oh
true palm
TAS stands for tool assisted speedrun
its when we go frame by frame and type in inputs by hand, and use savestates and hitboxes
lament spade
i like spedruning
weary root
mustn't be a speedrunner then
lament spade
mustn't be a speedrunner then <:feelspkman:639636442821165056>
lmao
high summit
which is the version for speedrunning
and also, how do i setup a speedrun, am new to speedrunning in general, can someone help me pls??
vagrant warren
there's no one version for speedrunning, different patches are optimal for different things and generally there are separate boards for fairness. If by setup a speedrun you mean the timer, start by downloading Livesplit.
lament spade
FUck qga
knotty vigil
its when we go frame by frame and type in inputs by hand, and use savestates and...
o i see thanks! really appreciate the explanation
restive forum
How can I make Hollow Knight borderless windows so I can see the livesplit while playing
restive forum
select 1221 beta. copy all files. paste to new place. follow the multiple instal...
I did this and when I updated my game back to current patch, it updated my copy too
weary root
I did this and when I updated my game back to current patch, it updated my copy ...
"follow the multiple installed patches part of the guide" is kind of key here
you'll need to put a specific text file in the files otherwise it will just open the default install
the guide will tell you how
weary root
How can I make Hollow Knight borderless windows so I can see the livesplit while...
put "-popupwindow" in steam launch settings for the game
restive forum
put "-popupwindow" in steam launch settings for the game
does it work in non steam games (it worked once and then)
fresh pagoda
celest geyser
hi
proper sparrow
i didnt know you were interested in speedrunning :)
vapid knoll
ah, i just saw fire's vid on stall-ball. rip to low% true ending. use this one weird trick to add 12 hours to your low% run
vapid knoll
or wait, 16 hours actually. i misremembered lost kin as giving only 300 essence, not 400