speedrunning

[sage moon]

That must be easy

[opaque lodge]

It is

Very

[signal moth]

Right but this isn’t skyrim

[opaque lodge]

Also I do the pure vessel speed strat

[opaque lodge]

No you

Do you know the clairvoyance glitch

Or the horse save

[sage moon]

Jinkie is a lil ||bug||

Also I'm just bad at the game

[opaque lodge]

No you

[sage moon]

Why am I still trying to do this?

[calm pelican]

to do what?

[sage moon]

The Fury speedrun

[steady lynx]

It's probably not even faster to do the pogo

And on top of that it's not a real category

[sage moon]

I still want it

Also I didn't even see that you did that pogo

I'm very slowly driving myself crazy

And random speedrun thing I found, you can cancel hardfall lag with a VS

[steady lynx]

On good patches you can also cancel it by opening and closing inventory when you land

[sage moon]

I've seen that a few times

[steady lynx]

Really only on 1.3 and 1.4

But what other patches do you need?

[sage moon]

I think I once also canceled it with a dash, but I don't remember the exact details

[sage moon]

1.2.2.1 runners be crying rn

[steady lynx]

With good positioning you can cancel it by walking off a ledge

[sage moon]

Also knew that

I'm so cultured Ig

[steady lynx]

They were already crying during the 1 second freeze whenever they stagger Hornet

[calm pelican]

😢

[sage moon]

Laughs in no understanding in the ways of patch 1.2.2.1

[steady lynx]

I've played every patch and can without a doubt say that not making 1.3.3.7 a full release was just cruel

[sage moon]

What drove you to play every patch?

[steady lynx]

Wanted to see the differences

On 1.0.0.5 the charm notch in colo 1 fails to spawn

[sage moon]

Oh man

I gotta make sure that I never play 1.0.0.5 expecting to get the charm notch from colo, real life saver there

How much of each patch did you play?

[steady lynx]

A couple of hours on most

Like 5 minutes on 1.2.1.0 since the only notable change is that you can activate nightmare lantern without dreamnail there

[sage moon]

Did they add the corpse in later patches?

[steady lynx]

Nah, the corpse just activated if you slapped it with the nail for some reason

[sage moon]

Did the Essence effects appear?

[steady lynx]

Yep

[sage moon]

Geez

That's a pretty big oversight

Imagine HK but you just smack the dreamers with your nail to enter their dreams

[steady lynx]

Grimm troupe might have been rushed to meet the Halloween season

[sage moon]

Was it only the nail that worked or was it interchangeable?

[steady lynx]

To the point where Hive Knight had to wait until 1.3 to be added

Cdash works as well

And dreamnail

[sage moon]

Cdash?

Geez

That's gotta be one of the weirdest bugs

[steady lynx]

1210 isn't even useful for runs since only 1221 has lever skips which is way better

[charred merlin]

yo guys how do I kill vengefly king the way speedrunners do?

[sage moon]

I'm so glad I don't code things

[sage moon]

Jump as high as you can and hit him with the tip of your nail, after that. VS VS nail VS

I think

That's what I do, but I don't remember if it always works

[steady lynx]

You also need to cancel the nail animation with the spell or it'll be too slow

[sage moon]

Yes

[charred merlin]

thank you!! it worked but I got hit but Ive been trying it before but always failed

never knew about the nail hit after the 2nd vs

[steady lynx]

I had to do it in All Achievements and it was awful, glad Godhome Ending leaves Zote to die

[sage moon]

I always save Zote

And I also always talk to elderbug

[steady lynx]

Who's Elderbug?

[sage moon]

I-

Say sike right now

[steady lynx]

Is it the guy in Dirtmouth?

[sage moon]

He's the guy who has free maps in randos

[steady lynx]

Oh yeah, the guy you give a flower to in Elderbug%

[sage moon]

Yeah

That guy

[sage moon]

What a weird category name

[steady lynx]

It's a good category tbf

If you ignore having to do early game, and sanctum

The last five minutes are cool

[sage moon]

Do you need Tram Pass?

[steady lynx]

Nah

[sage moon]

Is Dive faster than Tram Pass?

[steady lynx]

It's really hard to get to gray mourner without dive

Impossible even

[sage moon]

Oh

Yeah

That is certainly a difficult thing to do

[steady lynx]

Tram pass is a very good item though, without it low% would be way different

[sage moon]

I agree

[steady lynx]

As well as any% steelsoul

But nobody runs that actively

[sage moon]

I use it in my cursed run and it's very helpful

[steady lynx]

It's also the only way to get to the worst area in the game

[sage moon]

Last room of the Hive is Spain but without the i

It's probably in the top 5 most populated rooms enemy-wise

[steady lynx]

The big deepnest room probably has it beaten

[sage moon]

Maybe

If we were counting enemies present in the room at the time of entrance, it might be Hive

Plus the big bees are probably one of the scariest enemies in the game

If not the scariest

[steady lynx]

They only dealt 1 damage before 1.3

[sage moon]

You just know everything about the patches

What about Devouts?

[steady lynx]

They've always dealt 2

But before 1.3 the one directly left of Herrah would respawn even if Herrah is dead

[sage moon]

My brain is ascending

Do you have notes written down or something?

[steady lynx]

I just memorised most of it

[sage moon]

That's probably what I would've done

Taking notes feels like a chore

[knotty vigil]

i mean shade skip

[steady lynx]

Okay

[sage moon]

Sure

That probably works

[steady lynx]

You're at Blue Lake now what

[sage moon]

You get to Grey mourner silly

[steady lynx]

How do you get into crypts?

[sage moon]

You enter from Blue lake

[knotty vigil]

walk 5Head

[sage moon]

Through the oneway breakable wall, of course

[steady lynx]

There's a wall that can only be broken from crypts, that's useful

[sage moon]

Super

[steady lynx]

Or do you walk through the breakable floor?

[sage moon]

I think the wall is faster

[steady lynx]

Just gotta figure out how to break it from the elevator side then

[sage moon]

Plus, you get to kill the husk sentinel for Geo

[sage moon]

Mark of Pride might work

Actually I think Longnail would be better than Mark of Pride, as is usually the case

[steady lynx]

I'll give you a hint

There is no object linked to the wall on the left side that can make it break

[sage moon]

Simple

[steady lynx]

The only way to break it is to break the planks in crypts which is a different room

[sage moon]

You do a BLG to increase your speed to the point where the games collision can't detect the wall

[steady lynx]

Sounds major

[sage moon]

Yeah you're right

I need to think NMG

I know

Maybe if we get Soul Catcher, the run would be better

Nothing to do with the wall, just might be a good idea for general time save

[steady lynx]

You go past Salubra anyway so Shaman is always the better choice

[sage moon]

Overcharm

You go with a spell build anyway

[steady lynx]

As one should

[sage moon]

Are we done with the cyber-bullying now?

[steady lynx]

Sure

[sage moon]

Awesome

Now I can talk about my route without being ridiculed by everyone

/j

[knotty vigil]

sure

[languid chasm]

Any routing idea for a 100% steel soul run?

[vagrant warren]

The 1xx categories can already be run in steel soul, there are no shade skips in the routes.

[sharp sand]

My first speedrun attempt with a made up run! 😄

[serene coral]

the other day i got three acheivements in one go

they were steel soul \steel heart

and speed completion

[ivory prairie]

Nice

Gosh but what if it was a second quicker

[main bear]

Has tc mentioned anything about speed running in ss

[steady lynx]

I'll fix your question

Has tc mentioned anything about speed running in ss

[calm pelican]

Theres a new speedrun section?

[wicked trench]

https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD
This is the link to enter the speedrun server

[digital jewel]

<@&283547423706447872>

imposter from amongus

[glossy acorn]

so strict about advertising

[wicked trench]

You can't proclaim yourself a real speedrunner until you go for ban% I guess

[sage moon]

My PB is around 3 hours

[twin cypress]

what do i do after lurien

i forgor

💀

[steady lynx]

Lemm, lantern, cpeak, Uumuu

[twin cypress]

ily

[minor grail]

planning on doing the speedrun achievements soon

[steady lynx]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[near nova]

It's good to beat the game in an hour 15 with the any% optimal route????

[steady lynx]

Yes

[near nova]

Thx

[hollow hamlet]

tips for vengeful spirit skips?

i cant really seem to do it

[stuck raptor]

use quick cast. use after the jump apex, not at it

[hollow hamlet]

ah i see

thanks

[teal horizon]

does the final time in game count load times

[steady lynx]

yes

[teal horizon]

thank

[chrome crypt]

I'm very new noob. I'm reading the any% NMG route map (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/290932216781864960/433277101487947776/anynmg_route.png) and I have one question:

Could anyone help me understand why the bench in AM is optional?

It seems to me, if not taking the bench, the player will have to start at Dirtmouth bench after finishing both greenpath and mantis claw splits. It seems to take quite sometime to travel from Dirtmouth bench to near AM.

[steady lynx]

You autosave to AM bench when leaving AM

Even if you never touched it

[chrome crypt]

Ah. That makes sense. Thank you.

[serene night]

Anyone know if this glitch invalidates a run? https://clips.twitch.tv/FurtiveTawdryAsteriskMikeHogu-PzuA7oLq75COVx6-

[formal bough]

dw that glitch is fine

It did absolutely nothing it just looks funny

There was a way for a run to be invalid in the hornet fight, namely having hornet get stuck in the ground and be unable to move, but at this point that has been changed into a time penalty if hornet fails to jump 3 times

Regardless, this isn't remotely close to invalidating

[finite crater]

is there anyway to add a speedrun timer to top right of screen on xbox series s

i want to become a speedrunner

[stuck raptor]

not on the console

if you have a computer and capture card, you can record footage with a timer as part of the layout

[finite crater]

i have a gaming laptop

[steady lynx]

Hornet upside down, yltsi

[lean jay]

How does this happen

[steady lynx]

Kill her just as she lands from the aerial lunge attack

[slender tusk]

any help with Live split? Can't seem to figure out why it won't start

[hollow hamlet]

i want to do a shadeskip to blue lake but my shade spawns in the gruz mother room

[verbal stag]

die farther to the right

[hollow hamlet]

alrigt

i did it :DD

[gaunt parcel]

Hey two quick questions as someone looking into speed running HC is the switch version viable for speed running and if so what's the optimal controller

Any time anyone answers these I'll be very thankful just @ me when you do please

[analog monolith]

switch version is... not great for speedrunning. for one, it wont be running on the general "speedrunning patch" (1221), which means theres tricks u wont be able to do. (slightly mitigated by comparing to other current patch runs)

theres also another major caveat in that console versions wont have access to the load remover, which means all times will be counted w/ loads. this adds significant time to final times compared to pc runs (mitigated by main board console runs being categorized by console)

[gaunt parcel]

Mk that's a OK that's I just wanted to know before I got one copy of the game or the other

And still same controller question what's optimal?

[analog monolith]

yeah, the steam version is the best for getting into speedrunning

for controller, a lot of ppl tend to use ps4/ps5-style controllers, but it's really preference what you use

[gaunt parcel]

Awesome

[analog monolith]

the one major controller i would stay away from is gamecube, as it might not have enough buttons for everything (gc-style procons would work)

[gaunt parcel]

Thank you a ton and I'll take that into consideration

[analog monolith]

yeah, np! hope u have fun with running hk c:

[weary totem]

Is it hard to start speedrunning?

[burnt lotus]

Yes

[weary totem]

And what version is best?

Should i bother using something other that 1.5

[steady lynx]

You can realistically use whatever version you want, 1221 is fastest but anything on 1432 or higher just goes on the current patch board so people who don't want to play on older patches can compete

[steady lynx]

I really play thin and loose here, some day the oranges will get sick of me

[normal aspen]

lmao they deserved it

[hollow hamlet]

does this pogo require insane precision

[steady lynx]

Not really

After just a few minutes of practice most get it to 90+% consistency

[hollow hamlet]

Ah right practice

[steady lynx]

Idk what it means, but I've heard other runners talk about it

[hollow hamlet]

yeah its so overrated

damn i almost did it

[steady lynx]

You almost want to do the jump input as soon as the nail swing ends

[hollow hamlet]

So quick timing

[hollow hamlet]

oh damn thats hard

[stable moon]

It’s easier but slower to dash into the wall at the peak of your pogo

[stable moon]

1.5 is the fastest patch 😤

[steady lynx]

Hey Staxis, glitched 107 when?

[hollow hamlet]

these things have a fairly big hitbox right

nevermind that question cause i just did it!! yay

also, can i only do inventory drops in specific areas?

[steady lynx]

On patch 1.3 or higher you can only do inventory drops by opening inventory as you step off a ledge

[viscid sigil]

I was wanting to do a meme speedrun in a new category but I don’t know how to submit a new category

I haven’t done much speedruning other than for fun

[formal bough]

There isn't a way - what you have to do is get enough people to run it that the mods decide to add it

[viscid sigil]

How many runs does it need

[formal bough]

One person running it isn't enough - the default threshold is "at very minimum 3 people and there's a change of longevity"

[viscid sigil]

Ok cool

[zealous vine]

getting wayward compass in 2 seconds

[formal bough]

But there are definitely multiple runs that have 3 people but haven't been added yet

In practice it takes a good amount of activity

[viscid sigil]

I was hoping to do shaman %.
Where you need to interact with each shaman (by collecting their spell/charm) and get all the shaman based charms. Time ends when you have shade soul, descending dark, howling wraiths, soul eater, soul catcher, and shaman stone

Also does anyone know whether you can pogo up to wraiths before getting claw

[formal bough]

It takes a shade skip I believe

[viscid sigil]

Cool

[formal bough]

And I mean go ahead, I have no clue what that route would look like or if people would want to run it but nothing stops you from doing it

[viscid sigil]

I was routing it as Catcher/VS>cloak> shamans>claw> use city crest to go get dive>stag to green path>wraiths>Crystal peak w/dive> shopkeepers key> C dash> D dark>soul eater>stag to sly>elegant key>shade soul

Any changes I should make

Maybe wraiths before claw with shade skip on green path/fungal stag bench then stag to crossroads

[celest geyser]

get claw before shamans, shadeskip to city, get dive, proceed as normal

wraiths before claw might be good though

[viscid sigil]

Maybe but that might add in an unnecessary loop

And I need dive to get eater when I’m in resting grounds anyway

Idk tho

[celest geyser]

where's that loop?+you could get grounds stag early that way

and also it lets you skip c crest parjour and fk

[formal bough]

There isn't any use for right side in this run

Like, I think crest is the right move here

[viscid sigil]

So just do the any % route until gorgeous husk

[viscid sigil]

That’s what I was thinking

[celest geyser]

with catcher, yea

[viscid sigil]

Also fk should give me enough geo for some stuff

It’s mostly getting shade soul and wraiths that are going to take up a ton of time

Not trying to shoot down ideas btw

[celest geyser]

you're good. i wasn't thinking about geo

[viscid sigil]

I can get 200 from fk, 450 minimum from lemm, 380 from soul master

Total ~1,000 with a few other kills

Costs for 3 stags (greenpath, storerooms, and crossroads) ~400, shamans is 220, and elegant key is 800

Total -1,420

Is there any relics you know of that would be accessible on the way

[formal bough]

you could grab the seal above claw

[celest geyser]

relic on the platforms near the intended first enrance to lemm

[formal bough]

At least I beleive it's a seal

[celest geyser]

its a journa;

but combines with moss knights it would work

[formal bough]

Wait duh there's the geo after soul master

[viscid sigil]

380

[celest geyser]

we're already counting that in

[formal bough]

oh reading impossible

[celest geyser]

we need420 more

[formal bough]

yeah but there's also a seal in that room

after the dive

[celest geyser]

i was thinking the seal on the climbing platforms in left city

[celest geyser]

oh

true

[viscid sigil]

I think moss knights, vengefly king and a journal it should e good

Oh yeah

[formal bough]

You dive literally right past the seal in the room after soul master

that's 450, done

[viscid sigil]

Cool

[formal bough]

wait what's the other seal you got here?

[viscid sigil]

Well we need 50 before fk if we don’t backtrack

[formal bough]

Yeah just follow low% routing to break geo rocks and etc on the way

[viscid sigil]

The one on the platforms right before lemm

[formal bough]

The one outside lemm?

[viscid sigil]

Yes

[formal bough]

cool

[viscid sigil]

Here’s a crude sketch of the route I think

[celest geyser]

no need to backtrack from overgrown mound. just savewarp, or maybe you could go straight to claw after?

[viscid sigil]

I drew the two lines cause you have to shade skip

But then I would definitely use bench warp to get back

I need to go back to crossroads to get shamans and unlock sly

[formal bough]

I find it unlikely that the shade skip saves time over using claw - you would have to time it though

[viscid sigil]

I think that would add a lot of backtracking rather than going straight to city

Wait aren’t there floating enemies nearby

[formal bough]

regardless anything you buy greenpath stag

just stag to greenpath afterwards

[formal bough]

yeah you need to use one of them and your shade to shade skip it

[viscid sigil]

That could work

[viscid sigil]

Oh ok

Maybe after dive or maybe after resting grounds

Thanks for the help

[formal bough]

Geo rocks to afford crossroads stag, +200 FK to buy greenpath stag, + 40 required moss knight so total 80 geo left over. Don't get the mantis village journal on the way out and pick up the seal outside lemm for a total selling power of 450 geo, bringing us up to 530 after leaving lemm. Get the 380 from soul master (no shaman) to go up to 910, ignore that seal I talked about. City storeroom brings us down to 710, and then 150 from the geo chest in crypts to get to the 800 required

@viscid sigil I think is better

Red->Orange->Yellow->Green->Blue->Purple->(ran out of colors)Brown->Light blue

Dotted lines mean either stag or save and quit

depending on the situation

[viscid sigil]

That looks amassing thanks

How do you warp to storerooms

You can’t have a saved bench there if you warp to crossroads stag from eater

Also do I have to down patch the game using game files and stuff if I want to play on 1.2.2.1 or can I just use the steam beta function

[steady lynx]

Just use steam beta function

[formal bough]

Fair point, I meant to say "warp to the bench at forgotten crossroads and then stag to storerooms"

[viscid sigil]

And I assume you warp to crossroads stag on brown then go get shamans

[viscid sigil]

Wait were missing shamans

Maybe grab the journal next to green path stag and sell that to lemm

[formal bough]

Yeah, you only fight soul master

Oh wait you're saying it's required for the cat oops

[formal bough]

yeah that'll work perfectly

[viscid sigil]

Then grab it when we talk to sly

Cool

Thanks for all the help

[vital crypt]

Hi is this where I get help for starting speedrunning and using LiveSplit?

Are you able to have scarab mods on when using LiveSplit on current patch? It wasn't automatically starting and the splits weren't registering (I downloaded from splitmaker).

[vagrant warren]

You can have mods with livesplit, but you cannot have any mods for a run you plan to submit.

[sage moon]

Beat me to it

[vagrant warren]

if you had livesplit open before the game, try closing it & reopening it. And make sure that the auto-splitter is actually on & the splits are listed properly (I have seen people need to re-download splits)

[bitter willow]

Hey, im starting to speedrun p5, is there a build that would be good for it? Ping me please so i know to look at it.

[sage moon]

Fury of the Fallen, Unbreakable/Fragile Strength, Quick Slash, and Shaman Stone

[bitter willow]

Thank you!

[muted mica]

What do you think?

[knotty vigil]

Has anyone here got any tips for round%

[weary root]

practise the things before doing a run

ideally with debug mod to help

[knotty vigil]

Thx

[minor dawn]

Sorry about quation, but what a programm you are using?

[stable quarry]

Just skip FK and Greenpath stag, instead go from dirthmouth to wraiths. (I think the fastest path would be taking the asid skip to fog canyon) Other than that I agree with the route.

[chrome lava]

Finally completed ||path of pain||, however I did use infinite HP, not invincibility and it took me checks notes 2000+ damage to finish it. I should have gotten gud but I'll finish it legit at some point

[viscid sigil]

Hiveblood anyone

[steady lynx]

Like, good you finished PoP, but why post it here?

[viscid sigil]

And infinite hp? Just use deep focus grubsong and hive blood

[royal stirrup]

good for u

I still suck it

[paper kite]

I for some reason decided one day that I would do it, sat in front of my computer for the rest of the day and managed to complete it

[drifting night]

are their any mods that help when practicing/learning the HK speedrun?

[true palm]

debug mod

that will give savestates, and a ton of other tools

benchwarp is also really good

lets you teleport to any bench and some rooms

timer mod will give you a mini timer in game
very good once you have the basics and are focusing on going fast

[drifting night]

how many savestates do you get and can you name them?

[true palm]

you get one in a quick slot which is temporary, and you can save them as a file, you can load up to 300 files at a time

you can name them, and share them

if you join the server in the pinned comments, we have premade ones for most major categories

[drifting night]

that sounds really helpful thanks a bunch

[true palm]

ye np, the pinned server btw is a lot more active since we moved there around a year ago, so we can answer questions about setup and stuff there

[viral island]

sub 1 hour pog (pay no mind to the last 2 splits i messed up with livesplit)

[stable quarry]

How did the dark rooms go?

[viral island]

as you can see, gold split, so pretty good

got some major time losses on watcher knights and crystal dash

[stable quarry]

Seems like you golded Cdash.

[viral island]

yeah but previous one was bad so even if i failed quite a lot it is still gold

[stable quarry]

Yeah, my gold has me taking 2 masks of damage on the last platform soo. Not to good.

[knotty vigil]

had a speedrun idea where you spawn with everything except dream nail, i called it godseed%

[inland sorrel]

guys i discovered a new technique to go through places faster

so in dirtmouth you do that walking animation so you go slower

but if you keep jumping and attacking down you go faster

[steady lynx]

We've literally been jumping through dirtmouth in runs since 2017

[sage moon]

Which is also the year that Hollow Knight came out

[steady lynx]

It only happens because TC for some reason made the slow zone in Dirtmouth only be at the ground, which I think originally was a mistake but kept in for speedrunning

At least I like imagining that they care about speedrunners

[coral shore]

I understand jumping, but why attack down

[inland sorrel]

it boosts you

[steady lynx]

Slashing the nail mid air messes with gravity momentum, but it's stupidly precise to the point where humans can't realistically do it

[coral shore]

Oh, didn't know that. Ty

[steady lynx]

Physics at a subpixel level are even framerate dependent, so enjoy that knowledge

[inland sorrel]

i think they patched it for console because i did not gain speed when jumping in dirtmouth

[steady lynx]

Idk, ask the console runners

[formal bough]

I refuse to believe that the attacking down does anything

[steady lynx]

It does, nothing

[inland sorrel]

for me it felt faster

[brittle meadow]

Nope

You do go faster when jumping

[edgy elbow]

Is there a hall of gods speedrun

[steady lynx]

On the category extension extension sheet we have HoG which is just beating everything in HoG at all 3 difficulties

[edgy elbow]

Ok

[hexed iris]

Guys so I created my own speedrun category called mini boss %. Is there any way I can get it on speedrun.co? Also how do you track time on ps4?

[steady lynx]

1: What does it entail
2: If it's considered unique enough and has enough finished runs
3: real time from file select

[hexed iris]

1. Beat all mini bosses in Hollow knight( Brooding mawlek, Gruzz Mother, Massive moss charger, Vengefly king, Soul warrior). You don’t need to beat all copies/versions of them

2. Well that depends on you and I believe some people also had some runs

3. Thanks

[sage moon]

Brooding Mawlek is debatable

[hexed iris]

It is considered a hidden mini boss so

[sage moon]

By whom?

[hexed iris]

The wiki

[sage moon]

They're kinda on the fence between boss and mini-boss

[steady lynx]

The speedrunning definition of a boss depends on category

Usually on 1.4+ it's anything that's in HoG and also in the overworld, but before then we didn't even count MMC as a boss, but for some reason in 107% All Bosses the gruzmom in Crossroads is not a required boss, but it is required in the All Bosses categories

Imagine being consistent

[sage moon]

What a funny idea

[steady lynx]

I think we jokingly defined miniboss as any enemy that's not in HoG and also doesn't respawn ever at some point

Which makes the random husk next to Lurien a miniboss

[sage moon]

I died to Random Husk Next To Lurien like 4 times before finally getting them

[steady lynx]

Another highlight is every mimic outside colo

[sage moon]

The mimic in colo respawns?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, every time you redo colo2

It's also the only mimic required for hunter's journal

[sage moon]

I had no idea

Maybe it's a good thing I route things by myself

[stable quarry]

Time to go kill the great hopper under dash slash then. Think that's Oro?

[weary root]

That one does respawn, it just doesn't spawn in if you enter the room from a transition that isn't the top one

[sacred echo]

Can I still use dash slash to skip Elegant key for Shade Soul?

[knotty vigil]

only on 1221

[sacred echo]

Current version?

[steady lynx]

Is 1221 the current version?

[sacred echo]

No

[knotty vigil]

well, its possible on the current version if you use QoL

but you can't use mods in speedruns, for obvious reasons

[sacred echo]

Ooh that makes sense. I saw it in a fireborn vid so I thought it would work lmao Thanks👍

[shadow narwhal]

oh i got any% in 45min

[true palm]

its not possible even with qol

because the rooms split

[steady lynx]

There's a version of QoL that adds a lever left of the door in the right room that controls the same lever trigger as the normal one

[pine valley]

Hey, I'm setting up my autosplitter in livesplit but every tutorial has an older version than I do, and I'm wondering how to set up this tab

I was wondering because my livesplit doesn't actually start when I load into kings pass

I assume it has something to do with this

(i've never done this before ;-;)

[vagrant warren]

Start & End-triggering splits only need to be used if you're starting somewhere than King's Pass or ending on something other than an ending. Ordered splits kind of depend on category & preference but also generally are not required.

The most common reason Livesplit doesn't start is if it was open before the game, or if you don't have any auto-splits added at all

[pine valley]

thanks, i re-ordered and it worked

[harsh condor]

didn't patch it on console, still works

[hexed iris]

What is like the best hollow knight speedrun category for a guy who hasn’t tried speedrunning much yet which takes like 40 or so minutes?

[stark birch]

Are you more a fan of combat or movement in this game? Also when you say 40 minutes are you asking “wr is 40 minutes” or “my first run of this will be 40 minutes”?

[tight shoal]

He is probably talking about a category that takes roughly 40 minutes to complete for an average player

This one isn't really long, but i'd say 4 mask shards

[inland sorrel]

When i tried jumping it didnt work, maybe because i was holding the jump button?

[stark birch]

Cartographer (on the extension boards) is a good starter cat in that sense: one combat wall (Petra arena no shaman), one movement wall (QGA), but neither is that difficult to practice your way into (and neither is that bad unless you’re angling for top times), times on the board range from the 30ish to the 40ish minute mark. It’s a lot less good when you are going for WR, but it’s a very clean run to learn on

4ms isn’t bad but a) itemless mawlek can absolutely wall someone for a while and b) since it’s under 10m long it becomes a micro-optimization problem much faster than some other categories does, which can cause burnout. If you like room movement optimization though, it’s a great start

And of course if you don’t mind dying to watcher knights at first any% is not super long and has a vast wealth of resources for every level of play, across patches, PC and console, etc.

And if you do mind watchers, myla% is essentially just any% up to the boss fights, and is great to polish movement

[stable quarry]

Now I want to try myla%

[hexed iris]

That sounds like a fun category

Also there are no ps4 runs huh

[stable quarry]

They go under console runs

[zealous spade]

what is pop in hk speedruning?

[stuck raptor]

path of pain

[zealous spade]

ohhh

[obtuse spire]

did a 1 fireball, fireball skip

[harsh condor]

gg

[harsh condor]

you have to buffer your jumps right before you hit the ground, I don't think you can hold down B

[teal wave]

bruh I didn't even know this was possible

[ripe pumice]

damn and i still cant do a single fireball skip

yall what is the most reliable way to do e-pogo?

[weary root]

On 1221?

[eager berry]

fastest hollow knight speed run?

[weary root]

On speedrun.com find any%, in the menu where it says No Major Glitches change it to All Glitches

[stable quarry]

We call it comfy epogo: https://youtu.be/bYsRWyHjcmM

[rotund kernel]

Is the lever skip patched?

[analog monolith]

the spire lever skip is patched and not possible on versions 1.3 and up; u need to kill the great husk sentry on the left side to open the lever

[rotund kernel]

I see

[sharp spire]

for speedrunning what would be the optimal framerate cap

[wicked trench]

the one that you are most confortable with is the classic answer
usually that is played at 200-300 fps, the higher the better, but the game works differently for different frame rates
I'd try out between 200 and 300 and see if you like it

[sharp spire]

ok thx

[ripe pumice]

oh thx

[proper lake]

Hi I would like to add a new split to my speedrun but I can't find the English name of this spell.

[weary root]

Shade Soul

[proper lake]

Thanks man

[weary root]

np, you can download splits for most categories from https://hksplitmaker.com/ unless you're doing your own route

[proper lake]

Yes thanks I know, I'm trying to do the any% but I can't get past the Watchers, I'll try with this

[weary root]

Shade Soul will help a lot 👍

[viral island]

Is there anyone that has tried an all bosses no hit of hollow knight ?

[fresh spade]

I'm probably not gonna speedrun Hk because A) You need to be fast and B) you need to be good at the game

I'm neither

For now atleast...

[dusk dawn]

Hi everyone I am new and don't know much about speedrunning, but I just finished Hollow knight any% in 1h 35m 13s and I would like to learn how to make my next run official. I see all runs on the scoreboard are on older patches, I have 1.5.78 is this allowed or should I install an older patch?

[stuck raptor]

any% nmg is fastest on 1221. you can run any patch though. there's also a current patch category if you don't want to downpatch

[dusk dawn]

Thanks @stuck raptor Next question: i downloaded LiveSplit and I followed the link on speedrun.com to hksplitmaker and downloaded the split for the any% 1.4.3.2+. It is supposed to work automatically right? do I have to do anything else?

[stuck raptor]

check that the autosplitter in livesplit is enabled and that auto splits loaded from the download

[dusk dawn]

Finally, last question. When I do a run the only required thing is to have a recorded video? I suppose I need to make an OBS scene with the Livesplit timer, do I also need to show the button I press?

[stuck raptor]

the category rules are all detailed under rules

on speedrun.com

[dusk dawn]

ok thanks, I will have a look

[stuck raptor]

button presses are not required to be shown

that's mostly for stream viewers

or if you want to review your footage later and see what you pressed and when

[dusk dawn]

great

wonderful I think all is in place. Just need to wait until I have time, probably going to upload my very first run next week

[dense spoke]

ok so, i've been thinking about running this game for quite a while, always got a little bit downed by the fact i needed to downpatch and everything... until i realise thise morning we can juste switch it in steam my going in properties ?

is there something i'm missing, i used to see a tons of video explaining how to downpatch, only for it to be that easy finaly ? is that something new ?

[stuck raptor]

fairly new, yes

[dense spoke]

i'm happy about it !

what is the easiest to learn any% going 1.2.2.1 or going with the current patch ?

same question goes with all skill

[narrow yarrow]

Hi
im trying to get into speedrunning hollow knight and installing livesplit has gone well but when i open hollow knight i cant see livesplit and the game does not let me switch to windowed mode. if someone could help that would be amazing!

[knotty vigil]

alt+enter

[narrow yarrow]

let me try

omg it worked!
Thanks so much @knotty vigil

[analog monolith]

for any% nmg in my opinion, if 1221 will run on your computer (it's pretty cpu-intensive) then thatll be easier to learn than 1.4+. it's shorter, a lot of the tricks and fights are easier, and there's going to be more resources that you can learn from

[autumn zephyr]

Hi, I'm doing an app which will randomly choose an order of hollow knight bosses but not every boss is possible tp reach without certain skills

so my question is

can you get to these bosses with no skills (except fireball and claws)

and is it possible to get claws without killing any boss?

[somber gull]

its possible to get to claw without killing any boss

[autumn zephyr]

"Broken Vessel", "Watcher Knights", "Soul Master", "Collector", "Crystal Guardian",
"Elder Hu", "Galien", "God Tamer", "Gorb", "Great Prince Zote", "Grimm","Hive Knight",
"Mantis Lords", "Marmu", "No Eyes", "Nosk", "Obobbles", "Uumuu", "Xero", "Soul Warrior"

[coral shore]

There is a breakble wall in false knight fight, si yeah, you can

[somber gull]

i think everything there is possible

broken vessel will require an extremely cursed shadeskip

[autumn zephyr]

yeah, i saw this one

also you can skip hornet fight using map (idk if it's still possible on current patch)

it might be useful

[somber gull]

for Low% you do the fireballskip in queen's station iirc

[autumn zephyr]

thanks for help

last question

do you need any skills beside claws and fireball to get all grimkins?

bcs im not sure about that

[somber gull]

i dont see why you wouldnt be able to

im not entirely sure on all positions though

[autumn zephyr]

yeah you are right

i thought that one of them which is in the resting grounds can be reached only with dive

but u can use elevator from the city

thanks again for help

[somber gull]

you could shadeskip at blue lake

[vagrant warren]

You need cdash for the crystal peak grimmkin

And you need wings for the fungal core grimmkin.

Also I'm not sure I'd Hive is navigable claw only with just fireball and not dash. Maaaybe but feels cursed

[sage moon]

You need Tram Pass to get to Hive

[steady lynx]

I've managed to do all of Hive except the one Grub check with claw only in rando once, was absolutely ass

[somber gull]

Even if they get NKG before being able to get wings, you could skip fungal core if you get the other 2 flames + brumm.

but yes for the cpeaks they need cdash. But you can get cdash without having to fight any boss after claw right?

[zealous spade]

what version of the game should I use on any% NMG and how do I change it on steam?

[somber gull]

1.2.2.1 i think is the optimal patch for any%. You want to go to steam, right click HK and go to properties. Then select which patch you want like here

[zealous spade]

ok so 1.2.2.1 is the best, beacuse I know in some versions you can invetory drop way easier

ok yes everyone is doing on patch 1.2.2.1 so ig your right

[somber gull]

theres some more skips that are possible on 1.2.2.1 and not on cp that help for the run

but yes inventory drops are also easier

[zealous spade]

but if I change my game version will my other saves be fucked up beacuse maybe godhome wasnt here?

[somber gull]

uhh, yeah probably back-up your saves and such before downpatching

[zealous spade]

ok

[vagrant warren]

should be able to as long as you enter with lantern & not dive. I was just answering whether any needed any other skills.

[somber gull]

[stable moon]

re: boss logic, you can get cdash without killing any bosses as well

also boss rando has been made before by @old obsidian

[knotty vigil]

.

poggers

[autumn zephyr]

I'm making easy and hard mode and this second one is intentionably cursed

so it's fine

[viral island]

As long as you dont actually load your saves they'll be fine, even if you were in godhome

[whole mountain]

collector?

or is there some impossible skip to love key

[whole mountain]

and ig dream nail doesn't count but i don't see why, cuz in some boss fights it's used as soul gain

[sterile apex]

how do I back up saves

112%ed the game and I still want to play more so I thought why not run any% nmg but inventory drops are stupidly hard on current patch

[stable moon]

They barely save time anyway, it’s not really a big deal

[sterile apex]

yeah it's not like I'm going for wr

but they're satisfying

[steady lynx]

The important ones save like 6 seconds total

[sterile apex]

and I think the baldur 1hko is on 1.2.2.1 but not on 1.4.2.4 whuch is what I'm on

[steady lynx]

Hmm

[stable moon]

uh

don't be on 1424

[steady lynx]

1424 is bad for your health

[knotty vigil]

Why are most pantheon AB records done on 1424
Did nail binding not affect narts back then

[digital jewel]

it didn't

[viral island]

i can't seem to find "The Hollow knight (boss)" and "Radiance (boss)" in the auto-spliter, am i blind ?

[stuck raptor]

dream nail thk is a split. game ending splits are hard coded

[viral island]

found it, thanks

[stable moon]

No don’t use those

It will split automatically when you trigger an ending

[keen cosmos]

how in the actual do you do the skip in the fungal wastes to the mantis claw?? That damn bomb doesnt get low enough

[sage moon]

https://youtu.be/bYsRWyHjcmM

[wind phoenix]

Got my personal best kings pass of 3 min 11s

Yay

[zealous spade]

oh ok I trsut you

[zealous spade]

king pass 1m 25 I mean its my first ever attempt

[remote totem]

I'm looking for a 112% steel soul Speedrun guide (preferably written), does it even exist? Or do I just need to watch videos in that category and take notes

[vagrant warren]

112% normal route can be run in steel soul. There are no shade skips

[remote totem]

oh that's great, thanks

[stable moon]

also there is really no reason to run it in steel soul

[rich tide]

iss maglor in this server?

[knotty vigil]

yes, what about it

[rich tide]

he's too amazing

[elder crane]

i have a potential speedrun category

spells % get every spell and its upgrade

[sage moon]

Better than death%

[elder crane]

whats death %

[sage moon]

Some people will suggest making a category called death%, which wouldn't be very interesting since it's just walking into a crawlid 5 times in a row

[elder crane]

seems like somthing i can do

[sage moon]

Very high skill ceiling

[chrome quartz]

Any good reccomended info/video(s) on getting started for 106%?

Completed the game and done a few randos so I feel pretty comfy in game but have only ever done minor skips

[steady lynx]

Sounds like All Skills with less steps

[sage moon]

If you think about it, most things are just 112% but with less steps

[steady lynx]

Most categories are also just a KP IL with extra steps

[sage moon]

Unless they get fury, in which case it's KP 100% IL with extra steps

[steady lynx]

Well, even when you get Fury you exit KP to hardsave outside

[sage moon]

I mean yeah

I just had a weird thought

What if I ran a route I made up and then submitted it under any%?

[weary root]

as long as you beat the game and stuck to all the other rules it would be verified

a lot of any% runs on the boards get ddark or shade soul

[steady lynx]

You could submit a TE run as any% if you really wanted to

No idea why you would, but you could

[sage moon]

I might submit this under any% on April Fools

[weary root]

I mean if a TE run was submitted in any% I'd move it to the TE boards

[steady lynx]

If someone submits a 20 hour any% slowrun we might just reject it just because it's a bad meme

[weary root]

if your run is too memey it'll get rejected as a troll submission yeah

[steady lynx]

But as long as you're trying to go fast kinda we'll stand most things

[sage moon]

Well so far my PB would land me in 553rd place

[leaden condor]

Woof woof

[velvet tree]

Is this a good place to talk glitches or is there a better place for that?

[steady lynx]

Depends on the glitch

[velvet tree]

The kind where the menu frame stays on your screen after you take damage

[sage moon]

Got that in a pantheon once, didn't seem to affect gameplay

[steady lynx]

That's just visual

Happens if you take damage and open inventory at the same time

Sometimes I do it intentionally because it looks funny

[sage moon]

I do scream storage because it's funny

[proven delta]

?

What's that

[knotty vigil]

opening inventory during a boss scream to get control

that can happen occasionally, i've gotten it a few times in hog

like this

[jagged vault]

(Do note inv scream skips are banned since they cause inventory storage which is a major glitch)

[vital crypt]

how do I make sure auto-splitter is on? I downloaded my splits from the site so I don't think it's that.

[sage moon]

In Godhome, you can dreamgate out of a bossfight and if you can de-load the room before they finish their scream the game makes the screen keep shaking until a similar level of screenshake occurs (I've only tried it on one boss though, but I know that you can carry their screenshake all the way to PoP)

[vagrant warren]

You go into your splits & make sure the auto-splitter is active & then go in the settings & make sure the appropriate splits are there

[cinder sail]

I do that with nkg

[coral shore]

Is there some sort of collection of all glitches that are viable for speedrunning and how to do them?

[analog monolith]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wKEPJsSWDAXUITmT34Zc83AHiVmCyvpx95QPduCvN5U/edit

idk where it's from but it has a good list

[coral shore]

Thank you very much

[rich tide]

imma try to start pop speedrunning

[stable moon]

That list is pretty noticeably outdated, if there’s something specific you’re looking for I can help

[coral shore]

No, I was just looking for general list of glitches and how to do them, because without understanding all of them it would be hard to route anything (i wanna try routing 100% TE)

[wicked trench]

@vague relic you were doing the same right?

[stable moon]

fivebrane has been routing this

Not sure if it’s done, but I am pretty sure it takes huge advantage of glitches not on that spreadsheet

[steady lynx]

We've also just started working on the 100% TE NMG route again

[coral shore]

Yeah, I ve seen it. Wanna beat him, thats why

[stable moon]

The speedrunning discord is a better place for glitch discussion btw

[hollow cedar]

Yeah, routing for 100% nmms is super up in the air, I would highly recommend checking out the 1xx glitched channel in the speedrunning discord!

And yes, the route takes enormous advantage of dreamgate noclip, which is a fairly recent glitch

[coral shore]

Yeah, i just thought that this question doesn't deserve to be on actual speedrunning discord

[hollow cedar]

This question explicitly does deserve to be on the speedrunning discord

[steady lynx]

It's literally why we have the discord

[coral shore]

Yeah, but it just seems strange for me that there is a channel, where people discuss how to save fraction of a second, and then there's me, who comes in with a question "what glitches there are and how do you do them?". But you probably are correct, I will ask this question there when I will be back home

[hollow cedar]

I think your impression of the speedrun discord is wrong, we ask lots of questions like "what glitches are there and how do you do them," you're very welcome!

It's just that the people who can answer these questions spend much more time in the speedrun discord than here

[coral shore]

Oh, I see. Thank you, 5b (I hope I wrote it correctly)

[stable moon]

fwiw I read this channel exclusively to look for new runners interested in glitches and bring them to the sr discord

[dusk dawn]

Finished my first run in 1:41:05, could have been better but I'm ok with this.

[zealous spade]

I cant find the level category on speedrun.com, how do I get to it?

[analog monolith]

it should be under the "leaderboards" dropdown on src

it's pretty hard to find but it's there

[ripe bridge]

what’s sr discord? glitches are epic

[stable moon]

Speedrunning discord

📌

[ripe bridge]

kk

[latent portal]

meme speedrun category idea- jumpless dashless blue lake %

[thorny musk]

seems like it'd just be a race for itemless blue lake shade skip

but iirc dreamnail% is that already

[real plank]

Hi guys, I have a question about the "speedrunning of HK" some ideas or tips because I want beat the archivement "Beat the game before 5 hours"

[steady lynx]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[dull umbra]

i just got 42 new pb les goo

and lucky i got it bc my 44 minute one got rejected... oof

does any one know how i could apply for mod on speedrun.com for hollow knight? i probably wont but just wondering

[steady lynx]

Mod gets chosen by supermod if they deem the person active enough in the community and the person in question wants it

[dull umbra]

on discord right

[steady lynx]

Even verifiers they ask sometimes if people are up for it and then only choose very few

In the discord in the pin

[dull umbra]

oh oki

[steady lynx]

Also not a good idea to go in with the sole idea of becoming mod, it's a bad look

[warped sinew]

Anyone seen remto's p5 all bindings hitless run?

I think i found an instance where remto should've been hit, but correct me if im wrong... I saw the video through fireborn's reaction at 32:53

[weary root]

is this during ddark iframes?

[warped sinew]

A bit after

Remto moved during this

[weary root]

yeah they last forever

[warped sinew]

wdym?

Like the ddark frames last also when they move?

[weary root]

yep

[warped sinew]

Ah

Ok ty

[weary root]

you get nearly 2 seconds of I frames or something

[warped sinew]

ooo ok

Thanks

[thorny musk]

You don't need to stand perfectly still to get ddark iframes, that'd suck

[wraith trellis]

0.4 seconds according to the wiki...

[weary root]

wiki is wrong about a lot of things 🥴

[wraith trellis]

Possible, but 2 seconds seems a lot

[sage moon]

It has a stupid amount I-frames is all that I know. To me it feels like you're invulnerable for a few years

[knotty vigil]

is there a way to get the speedrun version of the game on steam

[stuck raptor]

what does "speedrun version" mean to you

[knotty vigil]

the one runners use for any%

[steady lynx]

Yes

It's in public betas

[stable moon]

The fastest patch is the most recent patch though 🙂

Strictly speaking

[zealous spade]

ok found it ty

[harsh condor]

I found this instance during gpz, though maybe we both just don't know how long ddark frames last.

[warped sinew]

Was that right after a certain spell?

Like ddark

[harsh condor]

yes, but it was very long after

and i don't think ddark frames are that long

[warped sinew]

Same tbh

[harsh condor]

but hey, maybe I'm wrong

who knows

[warped sinew]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[formal bough]

only very small parts of those shockwaves have hitboxes

the boxes being the actual hitboxes

[harsh condor]

tf

huh

interesting

[knotty vigil]

[formal bough]

tc probably decided that the attack would be too mean otherwise

[spiral grotto]

Speedrun?

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[jagged bay]

Guys

Does any

Split or whatever the name is

To import to livesplit

to path of pain?

It only appears this

No path of pain

[knotty vigil]

You can get pop splits on hksplitmaker.com

[jagged bay]

I dont understand sorry

Okay i have it

Can someone join voice chat or something and teach me somethings?

[jagged bay]

I have doubts

Can i activate hotkeys on the controller?

[olive breach]

how to speedrun the path of pain if it always close itself

[stuck raptor]

check the category rules

[knotty vigil]

yo first attempt self routed any% steel soul 1H42

idk why the game would only ask for 5h

[stuck raptor]

b/c people complained when it was 3h

[knotty vigil]

Mfw the longest main category is only 10 minutes shy of the original speedrun cheevo

[stable moon]

They should add a 5 minute speedrun achievement

[knotty vigil]

I did a death speedrun and I got 17 seconds

Spikes are really usefull

[sage moon]

There should be a speedrun for death% for every hazard respawn

With 9 masks, Joni's Blessing, Lifeblood Heart and Core, and Unbreakable Heart

[knotty vigil]

Hmmmmm

I can only think of spikes

Repeatedly jump in spikes

[sage moon]

You can get hit into spikes and lose your I-frames when you respawn

[knotty vigil]

Ok how about this, is modding allowed?

[sage moon]

It can be under a separate category

[knotty vigil]

Well then we could spawn fifty absolute radiances and problem solved

I think

[sage moon]

That would ruin the whole point

And I'm pretty sure there could be faster ways to die

[knotty vigil]

Your right

Has anyone done a pogo on every enemy speedrun?

[sage moon]

Probably not intentionally

[azure star]

I need help making splits work, anyone available to help me?

[sage moon]

Did you turn on the autosplitter in the settings?

[azure star]

Ithink so..

"Configurable Load Remover / Auto Splitter. (By DevilSquirrel)"

[sage moon]

Yeah

[azure star]

it won't auto start and I don't know how to make it

[sage moon]

Did you open Hollow Knight before Livesplit?

[azure star]

no

[sage moon]

That might be it

[azure star]

will it auto end when I kill HK

[sage moon]

It's hardcoded in

So unless you messed with the code, than yes

[azure star]

does the auto endsplit have anything to do with that?

"end-triggering Autosplit"

[sage moon]

No, that's different

I don't know if there's any harm in turning it on, but you can just leave it off and it should still work fine

[zealous spade]

guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR2czTImwGI

[weary root]

this is like over a month old?

rhino is trying to improve it still, I believe

[proven delta]

Is there a list of glitches like wall cling storage, scream storage and the like.

[river forum]

well you can find the pastebin for what's allowed and what's banned in the rules section of runs on speedrun.com

for literal list of all glitches I'm not sure

it would be very large

[stable quarry]

@proven delta

It's a little outdated though.

[stone solar]

Yihou just got a new wr :O

0geo 45:39

[tight shoal]

wait whatt

what was blue's wr?

[steady lynx]

They probably meant current patch

[knotty vigil]

i got about 3 hours and 30 minutes on my second speedrun

is it good for a beginner?

[stuck raptor]

sure

time doesn't matter. what matters most is that you finish and improve yourself

[stable quarry]

I though it was having fun.

[knotty vigil]

i wanna do 100% speedrun for the achivement but im not sure if i can do it

[stuck raptor]

in speedrunning, fun is achieved through masochism.

[stable quarry]

[knotty vigil]

i got 7 hours and 65% on my steelsoul run and im thinking abt making it 100% in less than 13 hours

[stable quarry]

I could see that happening

[livid heath]

im having some issues setting up live split

i followed fireborns tutorial but its making me confused

[sage moon]

Well at what point do you get confused?

[livid heath]

I have everything that he does

but

whenever i start the game the timer doesnt automatically start

[sage moon]

Did you press this?

[livid heath]

yes

[weary root]

Open livesplit after opening hk

[livid heath]

i did

[sage moon]

Try closing both

And then reopening them or just leave them closed if you feel like it Idk

For a speedrun probably

[livid heath]

i opened live split after hk

started a game

but the time didnt start

wait

WAIT ITS WORKING NOW

nvm

the thing went green but the time didnt start going

[weary root]

Make sure your auto splits are set up correctly

[livid heath]

do i need to add the splits to the auto splitter?

or will it grab the ones i've already made

[sage moon]

Did you download from HK splitmaker?

[livid heath]

?

[sage moon]

I guess that's a no

Well I'm not super knowledgeable on this, but I know that the window on the left is responsible for auto-splitting and the one on the right is for everything else

I have no idea if that answers any of your questions or was any help at all

[livid heath]

My question is why will the timer not start in game after I load in

[sage moon]

I downloaded from hksplitmaker so I don't know if there's some other step you might've missed

[weary root]

If you have no auto splits the timer won't run properly

[sage moon]

So far all I've found is some who had the same problem but never figured it out

It might be a Livesplit specific issue

Only things I know of that might solve it are

1. Redownloading Livesplit
2. Checking where it's downloaded (I have no idea where it's supposed to be downloaded, that's just something I read)
3. Run as administrator (Which you've probably already tried)

[opaque lodge]

Do y’all do Skyrim glitch any percent speedruns?

My favorite glitch is the clarevoince glitch that breaks the ai of npc’s

[knotty vigil]

Well there are glitches categories, if that’s what you’re asking

[steady lynx]

Have you tried asking in the skyrim discord?

Or literally anywhere relevant to the question?

[opaque lodge]

No

[opaque lodge]

That is not what I’m asking

[knotty vigil]

Ok whatever

[ripe vale]

Hey I had a question? I have a livesplit for Ori but would like to make one for HK while still keeping the Ori one the way it is. Could someone tell me how to do that. (Please leave ping on if you answer)

[analog monolith]

yep! you should be able to save separate splits (.lss) and layout (.lsl) files, and making new files (or editing existing and saving as a new file) will keep both the ori and hk splits

[ripe vale]

Ty

[charred wave]

i got a really close time to wr abs rad but im not sure if its wr or not, does anybody know when the timer starts and stops

[formal bough]

I don't believe there is an actual speedrun leaderboard for absrad

[stone solar]

Well i mean current patch

[quartz rover]

hey o wanna learn how to speedrun could i get some help with it?

[wicked trench]

?guides

This has a general cover - do you have something in particular?

!guides

?guide

Someone help pls AHAH

[weary root]

Bot is probably down, just go to the guides section on speedrun.com, or the welcome/help channels in the server in the pins

[knotty vigil]

Hi

[knotty vigil]

Are any of you familiar with the massive delay when trying to double jump after jump/attacking? Trying to learn how to get alot of hits in on absrads as the fight starts but being hindered by this

Sometimes the double jump won't even register

[weary root]

Yeah this is a thing. If you turn around after using nail you can wings immediately

[knotty vigil]

Huh. You're right, that's strange

[weary root]

yeah it's to do with how the game is coded

turning around triggers the completion of other animations

the "look down" on stag tolls is another example of this kind of thing

[knotty vigil]

I see. Something else I noticed was when I look up, it takes a few seconds for the camera to scroll up. But I've seen others look up instantly.

[weary root]

you can do this with the right stick on controllers, not sure if there's an equivalent for keyboard

[knotty vigil]

Pretty sure there isn’t

[quartz rover]

hey i wanna learn speedrun but what splits do i do ive never done a speedrun of this game

[steady lynx]

hksplitmaker.com

[knotty vigil]

not a speedrunner but

what is the trigger for the shade position reset

Going too far

It has a maximum range it can follow you

and that range is?

Idk

[cerulean escarp]

Speedrunning with keyboard or controller, which is best?

[stuck raptor]

whatever is more comfortable

neither has any real advantage for this game. so use what's best for you

[cerulean escarp]

Oh okay

ty

[ripe vale]

I'm trying to get livesplit to start when I make a new save, but it isn't working. Anyone know why?

[knotty vigil]

You got global hot keys enabled?

And did you open livesplit before booting up your game?

[ripe vale]

Yes

For the second

Lemme check for the first

Yeah I have global hotkeys on

[weary root]

Are your auto splits set up correctly?

[scenic shuttle]

Does someone have the all backround objects destroyed route

[formal bough]

I don't remember that being a thing, do you mean grass%?

[arctic orbit]

My first sub-2-hour run!

[modest wind]

so Im trying to 100% achievements in Hollow Knight, which means doing the speedrun-related stuff...but I've never put effort into researching speedrunning methods for a game before. Tips? I've heard that grabbing hornet 1 as early on as possible is handy for the dash, but what are my best ways to save time past that?

[mint sand]

use bench warps

[weary root]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[modest wind]

tyvm

[dull umbra]

my livesplit timer isn't auto starting

i've tried things

so now i'm just reinstalling the patch.

[fossil jay]

fast as fuck boi

(in summary)

[ripe vale]

They are, but the timer just doesn't start. I don't know which autosplit starts the run.

[analog monolith]

if everything is set up correctly, the timer will automatically activate on starting a file, and loading into king's pass will start the time. if it's not doing so then smth is wrong

are you making sure to launch livesplit after booting the game? not doing that can cause issues in some situations

[ripe vale]

Oh, I wasn't launching it after I launched HK

[native schooner]

Any charm ideas for p5?

[sage moon]

Mainly just the standard build. Quick Slash, Unbreakable Strength, Fury of the Fallen, and Shaman Stone

[fallow fable]

yo

[dense spoke]

ok fast question for you guys, would you say all skills is easier than any% ? watchers knight kicking my ass right now in my attempt to learn any%

[rotund pelican]

All skills is longer so i find it harder

Both are beginner categories

[dense spoke]

ok but in both run you do watchers knight with no nail upgrade and no skills ?

[digital jewel]

in all skills the watcher knights fight is a lot easier

[dense spoke]

alright ! might a better suited for me then

i'll go watch some runs

[coarse rivet]

😄 😄

I take a detour to get pale or in ancient basin, helps alot with watcher knights, only way ive been able to kill them decently

[dense spoke]

oh great idea !

[coarse rivet]

getting that pale ore and just basic upgrade not to bad, i get the hollownest seal in room to left of lemm and the one at dirtmouth and the usual ones drop in to lemm from top sell ho to nailsmith

adds about 10mins but it helps me

[stable quarry]

That adds more than I expected.

[steady lynx]

I think going for shade soul route would be a better option then

[coarse rivet]

i havent timed it on its on, but you got to get tram pass

oh shit you dont

time save lol

just go down through city of tears, omg im dumb lol

[stable quarry]

Should not lose more than 6 min I think

[cedar siren]

I just did PoP in 3:51!

[nocturne leaf]

quick question, what do i have to do to get the speedrunner role in here?

i have a run submitted on speedrun.com and it was approved and the account is linked to my discord, but i dont have the role

[knotty vigil]

the role barely means anything on this server anymore

[nocturne leaf]

but i still wanna feel cool 🥺

[knotty vigil]

i dunno go ask the guys in the server in the pins

you'll probably get the role there

[vagrant warren]

Yeah, the speedrunner role is basically a legacy status as it's no longer given in this server. The majority of speedrun stuffs happens in the new server and you can get your role from the bot over there.

[nocturne leaf]

DANG IT, i used to have it but i left the discord when i took a break from hk and changed my name to kelp and now i dont have it 😭

[steady lynx]

But they removed the cool blue color on the role, it's barely worth anything

[knotty vigil]

only OGs remember when the role was blue here, shoutout to my fellow boomers 🤝

[vagrant warren]

LMAO it's only been not-blue for like a year, that's not that long

[steady lynx]

Only OGs remember when Monstah was src mod

[nocturne leaf]

-10 happiness

[weary root]

Blue really needs to get src mod and then leave, seems like a requirement for 112 rekky

[digital jewel]

lol

[steady lynx]

But Monstah had 112 rekky before quitting as mod

[weary root]

semantics

[cerulean escarp]

Did someone ever achieve 112% hitless speedrun?

[steady lynx]

No, you can be first if you're fast

[analog monolith]

i dont remember when it was blue lol

[weary root]

yeah we moved after the AS tourney finished

or maybe it was after the swiss bracket

[true palm]

after swiss

[steady lynx]

We planned on moving after the tournament was over but then it ended up taking about 7 years to finish

[cobalt basin]

Is there a quicker way to get the 1600 geo for the lantern

And how do you get the little shop dude anyways

[digital jewel]

a quicker way compared to what?

[quick crest]

Sly (the bug who sells the lantern) is in the bottom right of crossroads

if you go to salubra's shop he is in one of the houses to the left

You go down there and wake him up then he goes to the shop in dirtmouth where u can buy lantern for 1800 geo

I would buy gathering swarm first tho, it will help you naturally gather geo while you progress through the game]

[stable quarry]

Gather swarm is never worth in a speedrun unless it's required.

[hidden grail]

heyo i'm sorry if this is a stupid question but i didn't find an answer: i'm watching the any% nmg guide by fireb0rn and he says to downpatch the game. can i also run current patch with the QoL mod? since it enables you to menu drop, explogo, lever skip etc. is there any downside to not downpatching?

[stable quarry]

No

No mods

[hidden grail]

i'm just running for fun, not submitting

[stable quarry]

It's not hard to down patch to 1221 though just go to steam settings and choose beta.

[hidden grail]

okay, i was confused bc relyea said that scarab is better than mod installer 1 for 1.2.2.1

[stable quarry]

If you just doing it for fun then doing CP runs might be better as I do beleve they take less time irl.

[hidden grail]

oki thanks

[stable quarry]

(Because of faster loads)

[stuck raptor]

neither installer is for 1221

mods for 1221 must be installed manually

[hidden grail]

okay maybe i am simply an idiot lmao

[stable quarry]

There are modded leaderboards FYI though they are not very active.

[analog monolith]

come on 2 cats just got new rekkys like a week ago

[stable moon]

what? modded leaderboard shows no runs in over a month

[stark birch]

sawa put up times in kronk and debug any% about 5 days ago; they have not been verified yet because verifiers (and also sometimes the verification bot) consistently forget that modded boards exist

so, call it a wash re: arguing about the modded boards lol

[steady lynx]

As a verifier, I can confirm that I had forgotten modded boards existed until I read this