speedrunning

[stiff iris]

its so nice seeing the achievements being lit up on steam especially the hard ones

they go from staring at you from where you cant get them yet and then you get em and its like ah ha!

[violet sage]

I want to get the speedrun achievement (5h) too, but I'm not really sure which route I should take and what key items I even need tbh

[steady lynx]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[stiff iris]

for completion percentage can i just have base level grimmchild?

[stiff iris]

man no eyes is pretty rough with upgraded once nail and 6 masks

[errant sphinx]

[sturdy knoll]

man what helped you beat him? im struggling sm without shade cloak 😭 ive tried practicing on other files but its just so much easier with shade cloak tbh

[stiff iris]

uhh i cant remember exactly rn hang on

[sturdy knoll]

also ayo im 2% away from completing 100% steel soul and 100% speedrun heck yes

[stiff iris]

noice

[sturdy knoll]

np if you cant HAHA just wondering what strategies helped you or anything

[stiff iris]

after 100% speed im doin that next!

[sturdy knoll]

i have one file with like 20 min left which idek if thats enough time so i ight just try again

for the 5 h

[stiff iris]

luckily i got both the 10hr and 5hr ones in one go, and you might wanna ask some1 else lol im okie at the game but def not as good as other ppl

[sturdy knoll]

yeah fair HAHA i was trying to get that too but i keep messing up hk- ive already spent like half an hour on him

[stiff iris]

yeah me too i died a bunc on him too lol

[sturdy knoll]

his acid spitting attack is hard to dodge without upgrades om

[stiff iris]

like i increased my death counter from like 2 to 5 or smth i forget rn

just from him alone

[sturdy knoll]

yeah you dont really learn him on the normal playthrough since by then you have so many upgrades he dies like immediately 😭

[stiff iris]

god i hate dying to marmu

its worse than dying to hollow knight

[stiff iris]

65.42% done, only um

idk how much% left

[west swift]

34.58%

that is how many percent are left for you

[pastel ocean]

Yo on the hollow knight autosplitter doesnt have the THK boss fight, am I missing something?

[pseudo knoll]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1438513528

[stark birch]

game endings don't require an autosplit, it'll automatically finish out with a game ending. Relatedly, "end-triggering autosplit" is only for if you want the last split to NOT be a game ending (ie for cat extensions)

[pastel ocean]

Ah I see thhank you

[harsh condor]

wait what's the alt path to deepnest that doesn't involve QGA?

[sage moon]

I think you go through the breakaway floor in Fungal Wastes

[coral shore]

You can also go through mantis lords

[harsh condor]

that takes time though

[knotty vigil]

have yas got any decent tips for beginner speedrunners

[formal bough]

resist the urge to reset

[knotty vigil]

what do you think the hollow knight community would be like if there was an nkg%

[formal bough]

very similar to the current one: https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes#NKG

[knotty vigil]

oh wowdidnt know there actually was 1

thx

[coral shore]

I mean yeah, qga is optimal, everything else loses time

[harsh condor]

but I heard someone say there's a way that only loses ~40 seconds

is that true

?

[coral shore]

Hm... Not sure. Maybe fungal drop is this way. Not sure though

[harsh condor]

I'll try to learn QGA

[vagrant warren]

Optimally done yes, fungal route only loses 40 seconds.

[coral shore]

Yeah, tbh I think learning suboptimal routes isn't worth it. Like, you will still need to learn optimal to improve. Imo

[harsh condor]

which is harder: QGA or WK

?

[vagrant warren]

Depends on the mindset. If someone want to run, and finish runs, you can practice optimal strats while also using consistent strats in runs. You can get a very low time without QGA.

[thorny musk]

As an example, pest could still possibly have gotten wr without doing qga

[coral shore]

I mean, you are probably correct. Im not an any% runner, and not an experienced runner as well. But when I run, I usually try to go with the optimal route (so not getting some suboptimal upgrades), but I dont implement all strats, because Im not even fully familiar with more basic ones

[sage moon]

Watcher Knights probably, QGA is hard at first but once you know how to do it you can get pretty consistent with it

[wispy swallow]

I suck at watcher knights

[proud wasp]

What are some tips and the goal time I should set for myself for a first time speedrun

[digital jewel]

your goal time should be to finish

[proud wasp]

Good enough

[sturdy knoll]

the credits dont count for your time right

[sage moon]

I don't think so, no

[thorny musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGwghlfGG9s

very pog

[knotty vigil]

literally world record no way

[formal bough]

literally very impressive but 10 seconds away from WR

[thorny musk]

incorrect, literally wr

[gentle grove]

Nope

[stiff iris]

There it is! time for the boss!

he ded

im waiting for the achievment to show up hurry up credits

WOOHOO!!

[hollow cedar]

Not even close

[pulsar yarrow]

anyone knows how long it takes for path of pain runs to be processed?

[wicked trench]

Depends on how many runners submit runs, as well as how many verifier there are and how much free time they have
It's gonna be verified as soon as the verifier get there in the queue of runs to verify

[pulsar yarrow]

Ok, thanks

[thorny musk]

pest had wr by 37 seconds, afaik qga saves about 40

[cursive crypt]

I lost my steel soul to them they were my final dreamer boss

And I’m salty af for it

[slow pivot]

I'm really struggling with mantis pogo, can't really point out what I'm doing wrong tbh

I can do explosion pogo on current patch almost always, then inevitably die to mantis pogo right after

[thorny musk]

you've gotta copy the movement exactly

[slow pivot]

is there any rng?

[knotty vigil]

Kinda

But it’s not that bad

[jagged vault]

there is no rng to mantis pogo. They move exactly the same way every time if you're able to do it consistently

if you want i can take a look at a video of you doing it and see what you can improve to make it more consistent

[slow pivot]

I found gwonkee's tutorial

i think what I'm struggling with is the visual cue right after hitting the lever

sometimes I do it correctly but it's not consistent

also hey blue :)

I can try and make a video of me trying it a few times, hopefully i get it at least once

[slow pivot]

a handful of failures and 1 successful attempt

@jagged vault (if you're still here)

[verbal stag]

gotta dash sooner after hitting the lever

[knotty vigil]

you're really high too

[slow pivot]

do i need to be on the ground?

[verbal stag]

no

[knotty vigil]

no, just lower

also i noticed that you start your dash at the beginning a bit too far to the right, you want to be pressed against the wall when you do it

[slow pivot]

that should affect the first mantis i aggro right? I feel like the second one is giving me the most trouble

[verbal stag]

yea the problems with the second one is because of the late dash after the lever

but stay to the left on the drop before the first dash too

[slow pivot]

okay I will try that

thanks a lot

i guess the rest is just practice practice

[cobalt yoke]

Does anyone know where I could get with a challenge run idea? I need some heavy duty sequence breaking

[formal bough]

as in you have a challenge run and you want us to point out potential locations you can sequence break to or?

[cobalt yoke]

Yes. I want to complete the hunters journal in order, with as little error as possible

The big problem so far is Vengefly king

[formal bough]

if you're not allowing glitches, it's literally impossible to not kill three aspid hunters

before gruz mom and VFK

[cobalt yoke]

Yes that’s another problem

[formal bough]

entombed husks are so early? wtf?

[cobalt yoke]

Ikr. It’s quite cursed

[formal bough]

that means having to kill a soul twister and soul master and a soul warrior out of order to get access to entombed husks

question - what's your metric?

Is it "least spots off the best" or "least entries that I would have to remove is the best" or

[cobalt yoke]

I think least spots off is more interesting

[slow pivot]

1. Mantis Pogo
2. Air Pogo
3. Cool backup?
4. Mantis Upslash
5. ????? what

[formal bough]

I've got to go but that's an utterly fascinating challenge JoG

[cobalt yoke]

I know right

[knotty vigil]

you're still jumping too high for the lever hit

you wanna do a mini hop as opposed to a full jump

[slow pivot]

the hitbox is that big? :0

[knotty vigil]

mhm

[slow pivot]

also wth was number 5 tho

[slow pivot]

ok that immediately made things better

[cobalt yoke]

I feel like you could make this a mr incredible meme

[slow pivot]

now my bigger issue is the first mantis

[slow pivot]

damn you're right

[verbal stag]

you're still delaying the dash after the lever for too long here

dash basically right after you hit it

[slow pivot]

im gonna send one last one because I just got it 6 times in a row, but i keep getting this weird variation consistently

any idea why this keeps happening consistently?

in some of those attempts i did the mini hop properly i think, but the same thing happened

[knotty vigil]

https://youtu.be/dke1SRL8wL0?list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH

notice how his jump for the lever is a small one

you still jumping too high for the lever man

[slow pivot]

oh another tutorial

i guess he goes more in depth since it's longer

oh it's the whole split

I'm guessing this particular part doesn't change at all in current patch right

[stuck raptor]

you are dashing way too early after the first pogo

you should be up into the corner before dashing

you are dashing immediately

[slow pivot]

thanks :)

im so used to pogo dashing because i play so much p5

muscle memory was messing me up lol

yep that changed everything.. now I'm doing it consistently

[slow pivot]

To finish off, here it is with my beloved e-pogo. Thanks for the help, everyone <3

[zealous spade]

I hope I had time to learn that pogo skip

[harsh pagoda]

is there a setup for pogoing off the fly in kings pass

I swear that little bastard is going to give me a stroke

[slow pivot]

same

i just reset 8 times in a row because of that bastard

[royal stirrup]

poggg

[stable moon]

yes

[quick steeple]

i'm having some trouble setting up livesplit, can someone help me figure it out? i followed fireb0rn's community post on speedrun.com but it doesn't really start until i manually start it. is that how it's supposed to be?

[wind atlas]

Have you started live split before opening the game? This was at least the reason why it didn't work for me at first iirc. Start the game first and then LiveSplit.

[harsh pagoda]

Start livesplit early and with administrator privileges, also make sure the autosplitter is activated and there are autosplits in place under edit splits

[quick steeple]

thank you so much, i just noticed that autosplitter wasn't active

it is finally working, the timer goes green when i start the run, but it stays stuck at 0.00

i'll try running it as admin to see if that makes a difference

could it be because i have debugmod and QoL installed? Could any of those be interfering with the splits?

[weary root]

Make sure you actually have autosplits in the settings

[quick steeple]

i do, i got it off hksplitmaker and it shows in the edit splits menu

[weary root]

Probably shouldn't have QoL on for practice anyway i'll mess with a bunch of things

[stuck raptor]

The edit splits and edit auto split events menus are separate

You need both splits and auto split event triggers set up

[quick steeple]

yeah, i didn't really think of that. i'll keep that in mind, thank you

[quick steeple]

okay, thanks. i'll check if both are set up right

[queen garnet]

yo, is it ok to speedrun hollow knight on osx/mac? or would i have to set up bootcamp and run it on windows instead

[formal bough]

You can speedrun but you don't get to have loadless timer

So by nature of the OS your time would be significantly slower

Like, if you did a speedrun of any% with the speed of WR holder but on mac you would be 106th

If you can do it on windows that's significantly better

[queen garnet]

oh damn ok got it!!
ill set up bootcamp then huhu, thanks!!

[cyan steeple]

Can you get tram pass w/o monarch wings?

And w/o crystal heart?

[stuck raptor]

yes

[cyan steeple]

Does it require shade skipping?

[stuck raptor]

watch a low% run

low% NMG gets tram pass to skip gruz mother

[cyan steeple]

Bet

Thank you I’m watching now

Was just curious so I can have some fun sequence breaking

[stuck raptor]

i wouldn't call that a sequence break

but okay

[steady lynx]

I'm pretty sure you can even get tram pass without claw by using stupid shade skips

[cyan steeple]

Yeah but steel soul

[formal bough]

I feel like I remember that deepnest is only accessable in max% clawless on 1221

but I might be wrong

regardless, tram pass with claw only doesn't require shade skips

[cyan steeple]

getting it before you enter City is definitely earlier than intended, maybe not a sequence “break” per se but perhaps a bend

[formal bough]

It's just a different route through the game

[cyan steeple]

You’re right, I was assuming there was a ledge that required pogoing off some background objects to get up there

[steady lynx]

Since you can escape Abyss with Shade Cloak on current patch now both QG and Deepnest become very open

To the point where you can get a White Fragment without claw

[formal bough]

oh right yeah

I forgot about csc being escapable now

[knotty vigil]

how many frames do you safe with nail turnarounds

[formal bough]

like 1 or 2 if you're perfect

[knotty vigil]

thanky

[regal harness]

[thick burrow]

[formal bough]

yall all missed #hk-meme that's one up

[sage moon]

You sure they weren't aiming for #sk-discussion?

[steady lynx]

Both alternatives are just shitposting

[sour nebula]

hey I got a question: can I use custom knight in any run? Like the pantheons. I've seen blue and others use it but is it allowed because they streamed it or is it allowed no matter what

[digital jewel]

it's not allowed no matter what

[coral shore]

They probably used it for less serious runs, not for leaderboards

[sour nebula]

got it

thx guys

[vagrant warren]

There are a very few runs that allow skins to my understanding but it's because another mod is already required for the category. Like Grass% and Kronk use counter mods to ensure everything is done

[sour nebula]

I see

[coral shore]

I wonder why modding api is not allowed (I understand why most mods are not allowed, but why are modding api + customisation mods not allowed?). Like, does it change the way the game works a bit (like optifine in mc), or just because it would be easier to cheat with modding api?

[stuck raptor]

Yes. The game runs better. And some other small changes to UI

Like mouse positioning

[coral shore]

Oh, i see. Thanks

[slow pivot]

hitless runs also allow visual mods, but those are submitted to teamhitless instead of speedrun.com, so there are different rules i guess

[steady lynx]

Teamhitless also count falling out of dreams as taking a hit so their rules are mostly just funny

[quasi lotus]

why does autosplitter tank fps so much

[weary root]

it shouldn't, what kind of fps are you getting with/without it?

[earnest locust]

hello

[knotty vigil]

What’s your guys fastest time to beating p5?

[sacred lantern]

[charred garnet]

30smthn

[teal root]

hey guys, i'm craving hollow knight lately and since i already got every achievement on steam i was looking forward to start speedrunning this game. I never did a speedrun on any game before but i really like HK so it would be a great start for me i guess. My question is if it's recommended to downgrade my Game Version or start running at the current patch, i was looking at speedrun.com and there were no big differences between current patch and older patch runs. thanks in advance

[charred garnet]

Depends on the cat

Any% downgrading make a HUGE difference

In a good way

[teal root]

yeah i think any% would be my first approach

[teal root]

what differences in particular ?

[weary root]

Biggest differences time wise are lever skips, which lets you skip the Great Husk Sentry before Watcher Knights and being able to skip dreamer cutscenes.
The boss fights are often a little different: hornet staggers in 1 fewer hit, Watchers don't have the backwards roll attack on 1.2.2.1, The Hollow Knight's dash/triple slash have a longer wind up and are easier to react to.

• A ton of other small differences like greenpath baldur quick kill. Notably inventory drops are a lot harder on current patch.

I would recommend downpatching unless your computer struggles to run 1.2.2.1, it's pretty unoptimised so some pc's have trouble with it

[teal root]

thanks a lot for the explanation, is Veruleans YouTube Video still up to date or did they change downgrading again?

[weary root]

if you have HK on steam it's super easy

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[weary root]

the downpatching guide here goes has troubleshooting and other stuff as well, but it's available as a beta on steam

[teal root]

1.2.2.1 grimm troupe beta?

okay i think i got it, thanks man

[coral shore]

also, there is a much easier explosion pogo on 1.2.2.1

[celest grail]

I wanted to start speedrunning in hollow knight for a long time but really just don't know how to , I can play fast and know some routes but I keep messing up and it feels really frustrating ik it's like that in speed running with any game but it's normally stupid ones like dying to gruz mother but going hitless on hornet and idk what to do about it

[vagrant warren]

The simplest answer is to practice the things that are giving you trouble. Even if they seem like things that shouldn't be giving you trouble, if they are problematic in runs more practice will eventually equal more consistency

[celest grail]

is there a quicker way to practice them than reloading a save , I could unlock pantheons (which I shouldve done a while ago) but I'm way too lazy to do that

maybe a mod or something

I can see how practice can lead to consistency though ty

[vagrant warren]

you can set save states with debug.

which basically lets you reload to a specific point with the press of a button

[celest grail]

ty

gl with your runs

[vagrant warren]

you too!

[teal root]

is the Setup-Tutorial from fireborn still up to date for the Debug Mod?

[frigid sluice]

[steel socket]

the quickest speedrun i got was 3 hours thats not that bad right?

[sage moon]

It's not that bad

But there's room for improvement

[junior vessel]

imo its that bad

[sage moon]

Good and bad are relative terms

When it comes to the quality of something, that is

[umbral gale]

Guys i am new to this community, can someone clarify me what's the difference between No Major Glitches and Current Patch NMG categories?

On the website is not clear at all, they both shares the same rules

[hollow cedar]

Current Patch NMG only allows runs on patch 1.4.3.2 and later, while No Major Glitches can be run on any patch (frequently 1.2.2.1)

[idle canopy]

Where is the best place to go to get help on getting better at speedruns?

[knotty vigil]

The server in the pins

[umbral gale]

@hollow cedar thank you so much man, i am learning any% in 1.5.78, so basically i can submit a run in any of those 2 categories?

[sage moon]

I haven't seen a run in any% that wasn't 1.2.2.1 so I'm not sure. But I'm about 68.421% sure that you can submit it under either

[zenith laurel]

hey, i have a problem with the debug mode, i cant bind save states since they literally don't show up in the menus xd

[hollow cedar]

If you submit a run on 1.5.78 to NMG, it will get moved to Current Patch NMG, but yeah you can!

[umbral gale]

Thank you again ❤️

[umbral gale]

Checked all the 13 pages?

[zenith laurel]

yup :/

[umbral gale]

Mhh try to delete the debug settings and open it again

Maybe do a backup if you changed many stuff

[zenith laurel]

changed nothing actually

just started xd

[smoky timber]

speedran holow jkngight

[stuck raptor]

you have an older version

version should be 1.4.5

not 1.3.3

modding api is also old

[zenith laurel]

fire had the savestates in 1.3.3 tho

[stuck raptor]

you should be on -41, not -39

[zenith laurel]

same answer

[stuck raptor]

good for him

you're still on old versions

[zenith laurel]

yeah but i dont understand xd

[stuck raptor]

https://github.com/cerpintext/DebugMod/releases

[zenith laurel]

works with 1.2.2.1 right ?

[umbral gale]

I dont really know, i am running 1.5.78 :/

[analog monolith]

with latest mapi and latest debug, it should work entirely with savestates

on both 1221 and 1578

(latest 1432 also has savestates, but is slightly outdated afaik)

[sage moon]

If only you knew what was to come in the following hours...

[dusk tide]

Hollow Knight Amongus% speedrun
Speedrun idea: Amogus%

Try to destroy everything that reminds you of the hit game Amogus as fast as you can.

You have to:

Destroy all the breakable city of tears signs (😳😳😳😳😳😳), but first kill menderbug so they remain broken

Destroy Nosk because he is the imposter

Destroy Grub Mimics because they also are imposters

Destroy Winged Nosk for obvious reasons

Spore shroom + defenders crest near the unbreakable city of tears signs as a sign of disrespect

Dream nail poggy thorax because he looks like a pig and you know what scientific name for pig is

Spore shroom + defenders crest near all npcs that say the word "them" because when translated to spanish it sounds sussy.

Spore shroom + defenders crest near the resting grounds sign near the blue lake for obvious reasons

Destroy Lurien because he looks like amogus

[grand cedar]

Nah man

[steady lynx]

I was thinking to myself to not really take anything seriously today, but in this server nothing really changes then

[midnight raft]

everybody run meme %'s for april fools day

[steady lynx]

Do it yourself

[hollow cedar]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[bitter ocean]

any sources to know the current patch all items speedrun ??? was searching youtube guides but all want a downpatch

[bitter ocean]

oh...

[bitter ocean]

i wanted to run talk to elderbug% xD
wanna learn it first

also it wasn't as an april fools but yeah

[steady lynx]

4ms is probably the single most popular short meme category

Hollow Knight speedrunning community is just an offshoot of this server

We moved to a separate server a year ago because we got sick of low effort shitposts we got too big to be a smaller part of this server

It's why the lemons and oranges are fine with us advertising the speedrun server here

[digital jewel]

you were banned for breaking discord terms of service

[steady lynx]

Maybe inform the oranges of that, idk

[fading steeple]

wow what bit of ToS?

[bitter ocean]

what is 4ms

oh noice okay. thanks

this is probably the part of ToS that is most broken and most known xD

differences between 1 year is practically nothing

except if there is a difference that comes because of a difference in how socity treats you i guess

but yeah if we continue this we need to change rooms

if we continue talking about anything non speedrun related we should go to #hk-general

[halcyon coyote]

What

[bitter ocean]

me and another one talk if something other than a speedrun for like 5 messages or something

okay more like 10 but still

[steady lynx]

The other one got banned so it looks weird now

[bitter ocean]

oh banned ??? huh. thought it was deleted messages

[steady lynx]

If you're gonna break TOS, at least don't tell people about it

[weary root]

imagine getting banned from a server for breaking ToS, and then saying the same thing in another server 🥴

[bitter ocean]

yeah i actually found it weird when he said age

[bitter ocean]

exactly xD

[steady lynx]

Tbf, it was probably Xero or May who spread the info here

[bitter ocean]

huh okay

anyway. any good ways to learn all items speedrun route for current patch ???

[steady lynx]

Define items

[knotty vigil]

Are you talking about all skills

[bitter ocean]

yeah all skills

[knotty vigil]

There’s a pastebin of the route in speedrun.com

[steady lynx]

Also the server in the pins

[bitter ocean]

noice okay thanks

[sturdy cypress]

Ayo evertale pfp

I played that game

[tardy smelt]

are there any other spots where something like this happens?

i was watching someone play with the skin on

and this is lemm door

[midnight raft]

skurry?

[harsh condor]

I didn't get the crossroads stag at the start of the game, and now crossroads is infected. HELP HOW DO I GET TO DARKROOM

[digital jewel]

go to the room with gruz mom in it and then up

[harsh condor]

thx

[ivory roost]

I'm getting ready for my first speedrun tomorrow, and I'm setting up my livesplit now. I was having troubles with getting autosplitting setup. Is this a good place to ask for help?

Nope. I am just an idiot, and I figured it out moments after finally asking for help.

[tardy smelt]

yeah 😔

[bitter ocean]

noice someone actually got it

or i mean knew where it came from and stuff

[obsidian bronze]

uh

hi i recently got the speedrun 1 achievement

took me 8 hours to get 54% ;-;

[sturdy cypress]

yeah i bought the game on steam because it was pretty cheap and on sale and i ended up playing it and it was pretty fun

is it green mage on your pfp

its hard to remember the names

[bitter ocean]

yeah it is

[bitter ocean]

don't worry it takes me the same time to do an Epogo xD

[obsidian bronze]

i never did an Epogo ;-;

[bitter ocean]

i literally only did it recently on a randomizer

[obsidian bronze]

Here’s the thing

[obsidian bronze]

i cant mod my game cuz im on xbox

[bitter ocean]

like 2 or 3 days ago i guess

damn. good luck with that dude

but yeah it does really get easier

i just did it on that because i wanted to know what's behind the thing and tell my friends if there was something important

but yeah good luck imporving your times

[tardy smelt]

yes?

[digital jewel]

<@&283547423706447872>

[tardy smelt]

damn

[digital jewel]

this guy is so cool

[tardy smelt]

the cringe 😔

[radiant carbon]

speedruns a ban, leaves server regardless

[agile mica]

Nice evertale pfp

• person who has seen the whole gameplay

[chrome jay]

is this the end autosplit ?

or is it something else

question 2 : what do I set as a Start-triggering autosplit ?

[elder elbow]

So hi everyone
Been wondering, is there a powerpoint for 112 apb or something like that? Or do I just religiously rewatch vali's wr? Want to get a 112 save up and running asap, can't really relocate my save to pc from switch without breaking the console

[vagrant warren]

Start and end triggering splits are only for categories that don't start or end traditional places. Otherwise both are automatic .

[vagrant warren]

I'm pretty sure there's a pastebin in the speedrun server in pins. ( Although the apeedrun route may not be best option if you're attempting it for casual purposes)

[elder elbow]

it's okay, i'm up for the challenge, will look through pins, thx

[chrome jay]

But for some reason the timer doesn't start when I create a file...

[vagrant warren]

There are several reasons that could happen, even something small like sometimes if you open livesplit before opening the game it won't run. If you restart livesplit and it still doesn't work post a screenshot of your splits and someone can help troubleshoot

[chrome jay]

Oh

ty !

[bitter ocean]

"seen" damn dude. i feel like watching this game spoils the experience badly xD

• noice that's 2 who knew it

[agile mica]

I watched my bf play it

[bitter ocean]

okay

reminds me of that series called gamning for non gamers fsr xD

here both are gamers probably but still

[flint beacon]

Any attempt for a no damage 112% run?

[sage moon]

Probably

[steady lynx]

Why

[flint beacon]

It looks a challenge what is still nobody completed yet.

[steady lynx]

Then you can be first

I'm pretty sure somebody has done all of Godseeker mode hitless so doable, but challenging

[flint beacon]

No i'm not enought good for that. I can do any boss in a few tries for no hit. But it is far away from that.

[serene coral]

for my first proper attempt i did the pop in 4:44

[polar portal]

I have an funny speedrun idea, beat the game without any spells

It is possible, shall I try it?

[steady lynx]

Probably possible, considering that spelless is a category on the meme boards

[edgy elbow]

U can’t beat elder baldur without spells

[weary root]

u can

[edgy elbow]

How

[coral shore]

With long nail, almost frame perfect turnarounds allow you to hit it with your nail

Also, I think you can get dreamshield and do the same thing

[coral shore]

Yeah, it is a meme category that exists, and its not even super slow. Like, wr run is really good. You can try it, if you're interested in spell-less gaming

[nocturne leaf]

i just got a new pb while in the HK vc!
so happy but still shaking from the nerves..

[coral shore]

Yoo, congrats!

[nocturne leaf]

Thanks! finally got sub 45 :)

[harsh condor]

ay any tips for getting uumuu consitently (I've been practicing but haven't done a first run yet)

[harsh condor]

First speedrun very good definently yes yes

[analog monolith]

wr dies to thk kol

[supple hare]

wait how

Don’t you need spells to get to all the dreamers

[knotty vigil]

why would you need spells to do any dreamers

[shrewd jewel]

wait how would you get to monomon without shade cloak

[knotty vigil]

xroads acid skip

the same one any% speedrunners use

[digital jewel]

shade cloak is also not a spell

[signal moth]

I am wondering what the best charm setup is for pantheon speedruns

[supple hare]

don’t you need crystal tho

[knotty vigil]

you can get crystal dash without spells

[supple hare]

but doesn’t it count as a spell

[knotty vigil]

?

[knotty vigil]

no lol, dive, shriek and vengeful are only three spells, because spells use soul and cloak, wings and etc. don’t use it, so it doesn’t count as a spell

[supple hare]

oh shit u right

[cobalt yoke]

Does anyone know if you can get mantis claw, without dash and without killing shrumal ogres. Doing it for a challenge run. I currently am looking at shadeskipping toward deepnest and killing herrah, without killing anything in deepnest, and then taking infected crossroads shortcut to fungal with the infection bubbles. Does anyone know if that’s possible

[steady lynx]

You can, but you need to kill gruzmom, a few hwurmps and your last semblance of sanity

[cobalt yoke]

Yeah I thought that might be possible, but that is less ideal

Do you need claw to get herrah? Probably actually

[steady lynx]

Very much so

[cobalt yoke]

Well I tried. Guess I’m going the long way

[sage moon]

Fury, Strength, Quick Slash, and Shaman Stone I think

[signal moth]

Thanks

[rapid jungle]

Do I need an autosplitter for a valid run or can it just be a few milliseconds off if I do it manually and still count

[stuck raptor]

the autosplitter also removes load times, so if you don't use that, your time will not be accurate

if that doesn't matter to you, then splitting manually is fine

your time will be verified by a run approver when you submit it

[cinder sail]

hollow knight without the letter E

is this possible?

no vs

no dive

[steady lynx]

Yes.

[midnight raft]

what about lantern

ismas tear

[steady lynx]

Maybe specify if glitches are allowed next time then

[proven delta]

WatchEr knights. PurE vEssEl

[analog monolith]

hk with no items (excluding geo, dreamers, dream nail) with the letter E is not possible nmg

unless

ig u could do dash slash spike tunnel to gwomb

nvm not w/o dashmaster or vs

but yeah, the only possible way to beat the game w/o picking up a single item with the letter E would be to do godhome mms (bypassed dream nail) and then dupe monomon (bypasses lurien/herrah)

theres no other ways to bypass dnail specifically

[tardy smelt]

is it impossible to fireball skip with controller?

[lime adder]

i don’t think so

[tardy smelt]

dpad feels super clunky too so i think just have to nail it on keyboard

[weary root]

controller is perfectly fine for fireball skips

are you using quick cast?

[tardy smelt]

yeah

but tapping it in the opposite direction is hard

[weary root]

yeah turning around is really tight

one trick you can use on controller is that dpad will override stick inputs

so if you hold left with stick and then tap right with dpad it will turn you around

[lime adder]

pog

[weary root]

I personally prefer to use just dpad but go with whatever is comfy for you

[lime adder]

as an xbox user

joystick all the way

[tardy smelt]

like idk

[merry lotus]

I'm pretty sure that skip is done with three fireballs not two

[steady lynx]

It's possible with 2 but it's not really human viable

[tardy smelt]

im inhuman

[weary root]

yeah 3 makes this much easier

[stuck raptor]

your first fireball is also too early

you need to fall slightly for each

[stable moon]

what

it's hard with 2 but it is most certainly human viable

[sly tulip]

is the r4 schycle dependant on instawings or is it just a good execution?

[stable moon]

There’s no instawings in schycle

[silver scroll]

First "speedrun" attempt

[silver scroll]

I didn’t look up any routes or specifics but I did know a few skips like the acid skip to get to monomon and the pogo you can do to skip monarch wings for watcher knights

[wind quiver]

my first one was in two hours

I cant deal with the acid skips

[sand carbon]

is there a bug on current patch that allows the knight to dash through black gates without shade cloak?

[weary root]

you can normal (non shade) dash through them sometimes but only if you already have shade cloak

[sand carbon]

gotcha, that is probably what i'm experiencing. I thought it might have had something to do with sprintmaster. I don't normally have that charm on and thought maybe the extra base speed with a normal dash pushed me on the opposite side of the black barrier

[weary root]

they do it intentionally in some 1.4+ categories, see here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1409625467?t=1h9m55s

[sand carbon]

gotcha, that's pretty cool! thanks for the info

[midnight raft]

very cool! i got almost the same time on my first run

[shell nymph]

Which one is the Chinese language?

[weary root]

it's two to the left from english

[shell nymph]

Ty

[shell nymph]

How to get the thing that marks progress?

[steady lynx]

Livesplit?

[old fiber]

I am having some trouble downpatching to 1221 i did the depot dowload it said complete then i copied the files to a new folder and made the text document but when i click the exe it still launches current patch

[formal bough]

are you on steam

[old fiber]

yes

[formal bough]

Go to properties and click 1221 beta

easy as that

[old fiber]

yeah but I'm trying to have multiple versions

[digital jewel]

you can do this and then copy those files into a new folder

[old fiber]

oh ok cool thanks

[digital jewel]

add this

[cobalt yoke]

Is it possible to kill mossy vagabonds without claw?

[opal cypress]

I was inspired to start speed running and was practicing False knight and the combo and noticed that you can keep staggering false knight and stop him from dying? xD Just thought that was super cool ^^ Speed running already teaching me things xD

[steady lynx]

Please, not any speedrunner has the slightest idea of what a mossy vagabond is

[cobalt yoke]

Reach moss prophet

[steady lynx]

We use names that make sense for enemies, like Jinkie and Jennifer

Oh the fat ones

With a shade skip yeah

[cobalt yoke]

Nice

What about mossflies?

[opal cypress]

xD

[steady lynx]

Yeah, just a slightly more difficult shade skip

[cobalt yoke]

Nevermind mossflies are free

[steady lynx]

If you really want to you can kill Traitor lord without claw

[cobalt yoke]

Wtf

Can you still walk past hornet in current patch

[cobalt yoke]

With the map walk trick

[stable moon]

Yes, though it is a major glitch

[cobalt yoke]

Thank you

[stark birch]

You literally took it upon yourself to run all achievements

The only category that could be reasonably dreamed to care about what enemies are, and no one takes it seriously, except you

And to be clear, this is appreciative, both of you and of general speedrun brain, our reputation really does precede us

[vagrant warren]

A checklist for what?

[vagrant warren]

Well that would depend on what category you're running. Most categories do have route notes although not necessarily in like a checklist format

[steady lynx]

Quack, the mossy vagabonds are so forgettable that they literally die if Crossroads get infected so you have to check a corpse to get the entry

Also I mix them up with Mosskin like 90% of the time so that's also a thing

[scenic shuttle]

What's the any% route

[steady lynx]

Vengeful Spirit, Mothwing Cloak, Mantis Claw, Shaman Stone, Shade Skip to Blue Lake, Dreamnail, City, dying to Watcher Knight, sell relics I forgot to mention, King's Station, Lumafly Lantern, Crystal Heart, not getting Uumuu 2 cycle, QGA is a pain, Herrah, end

[sage moon]

Is THK just "end" to you?

[steady lynx]

To me THK is "Worse PV"

[sage moon]

I mean, you're not wrong

[cobalt yoke]

How do you get crystal dash without dash

[formal bough]

If you have claw you can do it

You either do a tight fireball skip (see low%) or if you don't have fireball very tight shade skip (I can find a clip if you need it)

[cobalt yoke]

Cool

If you’re wondering, the journal ordered run is coming along nicely, and involves no dash pacifist through both fungal and crystal

[formal bough]

Makes sense

I mean no dash pacifist through fungal and crystal did sound like it was just going to happen because honestly how else would it work

the power of the low% route - it works for a whole lot of meme runs

...not every meme run though how do you deal with shroomal ogres

[cobalt yoke]

Unfortunately there is no way around

I tried to pursue the idea of getting to deepnest, waking herrah, and then using the infected crossroads bubbles to take that shortcut without dash. Unfortunately you need claw to get herrah. Another alternative was taking the royal waterways, but it required hwurmps which are more expensive

If you want I can share the spreadsheet we made, it’s not quite done yet

I’m also testing rn whether I can save points by killing armored squit and sharp baldur in the collector refight before colo

[cobalt yoke]

I’m struggling to do QG acid skip, any tips?

[sage moon]

For one, practice against a normal wall. You have to charge c-dash right as you hear the Mantis Claw sound, you also have to be low enough so that your full body is clinging to the wall

[wide pier]

Just finished the game in 47 hours, such a speedrun 🥵

[sage moon]

Faster than 48 hours Ig

[vapid knoll]

does anyone here speedrun on linux? i'm setting up my build rn (for all achievements runs but nvm that) and i'm not sure what to expect

my understanding is

1. mods work out of the box
2. livesplit works in wine, but
3. i need a separate autosplitter client like pyautosplit to autosplit

and by "mods" i mean the relevant ones like qol, benchwarp, etc

[analog monolith]

the autosplitter and load remover will not work unless you run both the game and livesplit through windows somehow

i dont know how exactly that works ill be honest

modding should work with scarab on 1.5 natively on linux

[vapid knoll]

speaking of patch number: is 1.2.2.1 not popular for all achievements for a particular mechanical reason? or is it just because the existing runs of it are relatively casual?

[vapid knoll]

congrats on your low% true ending run (i am joking)

[analog monolith]

afaik the main reason 1221 isnt popular for all achievements is just it doesnt have all the achievements (notably godhome content)

[vapid knoll]

oh right 'cause it's the grimm troupe patch

never thought about that

welp. i guess i can kiss most inventory drops goodbye then

[analog monolith]

theres also not many ppl that run all achievements at all, i think every runner currently on the src leaderboard ran it after achieving twitch partner

[vapid knoll]

yeah ik

there's like five runs up rn

nobody wants to route it

[analog monolith]

recently gusten has been routing out at least the first save for all achievements

[vapid knoll]

and nobody wants to kill like 35 jumping husks or whatever

yeah i saw

[vagrant warren]

If you're currently just talking speedruns the only mod that's really relevant is debug for practicing, since actual runs have to be on the vanilla game. Even for practice it's not great to use QoL as it can change some cycles among other things

[alpine wraith]

I just killed grimm (the normal one, not nightmare) in 14 seconds, does this classifies as speedrun (no mods/cheats)

[stable quarry]

Counts as an Individuel level speedrun if I'm not mistaken. I don't think there are any leaderbords though.

[cobalt yoke]

Is there any other way into QG that doesn’t force you to kill the mantis petras?

I need love key and al2ba

[digital jewel]

you can go up from deepnest

[cobalt yoke]

Is that open?

[formal bough]

yeah

[cobalt yoke]

Wow so I didn’t even need to learn QGA

[stable moon]

QGA will be much faster though

Going to love key especially

[hollow cedar]

Even faster is noclip in from spore shroom

[formal bough]

they are doing in order journal entries so they don't want to kkill mantris petras

[cobalt yoke]

Do you need to shade skip to go through deepnest to QG?

I’m at mask maker

[formal bough]

I don't believe so - you might have to pogo off some spiders though

[cobalt yoke]

I’m in!

You can acid skip to love key right? I assume so, and I’m not gonna die trying

Also I’m sad to say the al2ba dream is dead. There’s another encampment of traitors

[digital jewel]

yes you can acid skip there

[cobalt yoke]

Ok so now I have to kill everything except loodle and traitor lord to get al2ba

Unfortunately

Also can I get someone to test something specific, I need to know if you can reach moss prophet with only fireball, and no killing the enemies

I’m pretty sure the way with shade skip and no claw typically entails dash, pogo, dash. It doesn’t look promising

[stuck raptor]

And no glitches?

[formal bough]

and no glitches, yeah

[cobalt yoke]

Nmg current patch is my current choice

[stable quarry]

Way don't you just kill it trough the wall with sporeshroom?

[cobalt yoke]

That’s why I don’t have to kill traitor lord

[vapid knoll]

it depends on what you're doing. i'm doing routing right now. qol and benchwarp are a blessing

i wish it were possible to bind stuff to modifier + something with debug. it'd make my savestate bindings less stupid

hm i came here to ask a question about… possibly about debug mod? but i better do that in another channel, i think

[slow pivot]

no glitches?

[spark cave]

No bitches?

[cobalt yoke]

Alright, I’ve arrived at the route. Probably with minimal tweaking to be done

If anyone’s curious, dm me and I’ll send my spreadsheet

[stable quarry]

Spreadsheet? Not pastebin?

[formal bough]

it's not a full on route yet

It's just a plan and as such it can utilize the further information a spreadsheet can hold

[stable quarry]

Oh, ok

[shy oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7z06ol4GMg

[cobalt yoke]

Epic speedrun

[shy oriole]

I'm not that good at the game but it isn't going to stop me XD

[vast wasp]

.

[stable quarry]

Wouldn't Gruz mother be faster?

[shy oriole]

I wanted to make the first "obligatory" boss

I plan on going to hornet next

[stable quarry]

He isn't obligatory though.

Spell less categories exist.

[steady lynx]

With that mentality the only true obligatory bosses are Watcher Knight, Uumuu, THK and your choice between knocking down FK once or killing Gruzmom

[stable quarry]

Watcher Knight%

[steady lynx]

That's just a variation of Butler% where you kill the Husk at the top of the spire

[stable quarry]

Wait what?

The Grub great husk sentry? Or the Lirien husk?

[steady lynx]

The Lurien husk

Aka Lurien's butler

[stable quarry]

Sounds like a funny category

[steady lynx]

It's on par with Uumuu% in least fun you can have playing Hollow Knight

[stable quarry]

Oh, way is it so bad?

Why*

[steady lynx]

It's literally any% up to WK but you skip dreamnail

[stable quarry]

Would you not skip dash too?

[steady lynx]

It takes longer to get claw without dash than it takes to get both dash and claw

Only reason low% skips dash is because it's %

[stable quarry]

Wow, so it's never better to skip dash unless low% something or you just don't need claw.

[steady lynx]

Max% dashless as well

But the only things it can't get are shade gate locked things

[stable quarry]

Is that a speed run cat?

[steady lynx]

It's a bad meme nobody has finished a run of

[stable quarry]

I though it was only a challenge run.

Oh, ok

[stark birch]

the dismal truth of hollow knight is no matter how much you describe something as a challenge run, every day with no silksong news is a new day for someone to decide to speedrun it

[stable quarry]

Max% clawless seems more fun.

[stark birch]

see: spelless, 0 geo, all achievements, max% no (literally any ability you can drop)...

[steady lynx]

Quack seeing me actively route all achievements

[stark birch]

and weeping, gusten

and weeping

but also sub-7 hype

so you know, it takes and it gives

[steady lynx]

I beat the old record by an hour so we take what we can get, but gonna do short categories like 112 and All Bosses now

[stable quarry]

Honestly only max% seems bad of those imo. Also butler% but she diden't mention that one.

[steady lynx]

If you mean quack it should be "she"

[stable quarry]

Short categories like 4ms, Grubsong, mapper dapper. No 112% wait what?

[steady lynx]

I see 112 as a short category

[stark birch]

gusten is permanently trapped in a time vortex, he can't parse time intervals under about 2.5 hours

even though all the people want to see is gusten 4ms arc

[steady lynx]

If I do more P5BO, will that please current patch meme crew?

[stable quarry]

Are there any steel soul categories exept steel soul any%?

[steady lynx]

Not main ones

[stark birch]

nah, no one's really watching p5bo rn. It'll have a heyday again, but rn I think you'll get more excitement for lbab

all cheevos has a steel soul component 🙃

[stable quarry]

P5bo?

[steady lynx]

Myla's revenge is a meme that has to be steelsoul

[stark birch]

pantheon 5 boss order

[stable quarry]

Oh and lbab?

[steady lynx]

Then sub 2 All Bosses it is

[stark birch]

lifeblood all bosses

[stable quarry]

What?

[steady lynx]

I have to get it shorter than hidden dreams all bosses for the meme anyway

[stark birch]

lifeblood patch all bosses, essentially all non-godhome bosses since GE is a nightmare

[steady lynx]

But Monstah really did a number on that

[stark birch]

or, even more essentially, 107 cut the boring parts 🙂

[steady lynx]

Flower quest.

[stark birch]

ok cut the boring and/or miserable parts 🙂

[steady lynx]

I've also done a tiny bit of work on GE so the basics are there

[stable quarry]

Oh, that makes a suprising amount of sense not like SCSBTECP or what the abyss shriek CP TE route is called.

[steady lynx]

Soul catcher steady body current patch true ending

[stark birch]

that acronym is merely a route descriptor and it's usually tongue-in-cheek; LBAB is actually the category

[stable quarry]

SCSBCPTE*

[steady lynx]

But LBAB doesn't have a board despite having a whole 2 finished runs

[stable quarry]

I just feel like ASCPTE would make more sense.

[steady lynx]

ASTE has been routed and ran several times but there's not too big of a market for it

[stable quarry]

Or SCSBASCPTE maybe

[stable quarry]

AS for Abyss Shriek

Though probably why they didn't go with that

[steady lynx]

I'll just stick to the misc tab on main board so I can technically have main board records

[stark birch]

shriek route predates 1432, there was a period of time where it was believed to be optimal and monstah did some TE runs with it, so by the time anyone took 1432+ TE remotely seriously shriek route was just "shriek route"

and the novel innovation was the charms

[stable quarry]

Interesting, though why is soul catcher optimal? I never got that.

[steady lynx]

One of the rare cases where Steady Body actually is useful

Soul Catcher is only so you don't get kicked out of the Salubra shop menu

[stable quarry]

Don't we just swap it for shaman right after dash.

[stark birch]

more specifically, the "you got a charm text" kicks you out of the shop menu, so picking up soul catcher saves the time it takes to talk to sally a second time

[stable quarry]

Wait really?

[steady lynx]

Optimally you don't even equip it

[stark birch]

since soul catcher is your first charm instead of steady body

it's never equipped in the run

[stable quarry]

That's funny

[steady lynx]

Main thing that pushed Shriek route to be more considered is the fact that Lost Kin on 1.3+ can be staggered 999 times instead of like 8 on 1.2.2.1

So you can stunlock it

[stable quarry]

I should really learn to use shriek in that fight then.

[steady lynx]

You don't

You stunlock it with Wraiths

[stark birch]

the reasons why shriek route was default for 1432+, compiled by vali at the time of the first 1432 te runs:

1. Buffed wraiths that deals good reliable damage
2. Shriek skips Great Sentry in the City that you have to fight otherwise
3. Uumuu 1 cycle with shade soul isn't labbed out to the point where it's consistent enough to go for in runs (this is no longer true I'm pretty sure)
4. Traitor Lord is an actual boss that you have to fight
5. Lost Kin on CP has infinite amount of staggers
6. Failed Champion doesn't have horrible freeze frames which makes shriek damage reliable

but also, wr rn is with shade soul, so it's the wild west I'm still waiting for ddark only TE personally

[stable quarry]

Ddark gorb fight?

[steady lynx]

Well, I'm not really touching TE again until I'm pleased with how the misc tab looks

Which also includes moving 107% out of misc but whatever

[stable quarry]

Refering to you haven wr in all of them or ?

[steady lynx]

Something like that

any% Steelsoul will be pain because I really hate any%

[stable quarry]

Steelsoul any% route is more fun than the standard any% route imo.

[steady lynx]

It doesn't do QGA which just generally is a big improvement

[hollow cedar]

100%

[steady lynx]

I have 1118 downloaded

Not running on 1114 tho, too risky

[hollow cedar]

But what if nmms

[steady lynx]

The 144 damage flukes aren't worth

[hollow cedar]

But yeah, running on 1114 you basically just can’t use flukes

[steady lynx]

And 1114 flukes are the main reason you'd run on 1114

[hollow cedar]

Yep! They’re great

[steady lynx]

And the fact that they don't damage Nosk is just weird

[hollow cedar]

It’s so rude lol

[steady lynx]

Imagine if we had flukes like current patch but they also had the amount of damage and charm cost as 1114

Multihits with those

[stable quarry]

Fivebrane do you know if the float inputs are just slightly different on CP compared to 108 I forgot what's after 8.

[steady lynx]

Also Quack, if you see this, I still need a ton of help routing "spelless" GE

[stable quarry]

You mean 1 cast GE?

[steady lynx]

That's the quotation marks' job of conveying

[stable quarry]

Oh, ok I was just hoping there where some crasy new discovery

[steady lynx]

Flukemarm and Godhome do be locked behind two dives

Saddest part is no Quickslash

So I have to spam nail arts

[hollow cedar]

Hmm, I'm not sure, they might be? And it's 1028!

[steady lynx]

I know base patch doesn't have a wing dip at all when double jumping

[stable quarry]

So quick slash gives you more dps than nail arts do.

[steady lynx]

Not sure if that's true for 1007+

[stable quarry]

1028, thanks. I just feel like there is a difference but I might also just be bad. Not to good at that timing yet. (Also need to get back to any% NMMS after sub 1:30 TE)

[sage moon]

Those were a lot of acronyms

[steady lynx]

The best acronyms for any meme are E and GGG and I refuse to elaborate on either

[chrome lava]

I think I somehow skipped or made the game think I killed lurien

I was trying to kill the watcher knights on switch then I turned it off for around 30 minutes after dying 5 or so times. When I came back I left and went to the wastes, then went to the fungal core (with double jump) and when I returned to the crossroads, they were the infected crossroads, when I checked my map it said there was only herrah and monomon

[steady lynx]

Getting wings makes Crossroads infected

[cyan elm]

is there a all grub run

if not there should be

[hexed thorn]

elegy%

[chrome lava]

Oh well I'm stupid then

[drowsy jetty]

Killing a dreamer gets the crossroads infected

[steady lynx]

And?

They specified they got double jump, so I deducted that's why crossroads were infected

What point are you making? @drowsy jetty

[stable quarry]

It's not getting wings that makes Crossroads infected, it's defeating Broken Vessel.

[steady lynx]

Funny that you'd say that, because it's wrong

[somber gull]

its the animation of picking up wings that makes crossroads infected

[steady lynx]

If you cancel the animation of getting wings early somehow crossroads just don't become infected

We had a whole discussion a year ago if that was legal in NMG

It was very much major, idk what even made us consider it NMG since the only real way to do it was inv dropping onto it so, yeah

[teal wave]

That's wild

I didn't know you could do this

[stable quarry]

Huh, that's interesting thanks for charing.

[drowsy jetty]

Fact checking, I got the infected crossroads when I beat Herrah. But I see your point now

[somber gull]

crossroads gets infected either when you kill your first dreamer or when you get the wings pickup animation

[hollow cedar]

Yup, I do this in 100% nmms!

[quasi perch]

Yo do y’all know the correct version for any % NMG?

[weary root]

most commonly it's run on patch 1.2.2.1 which you can access in the steam beta's menu

[quasi perch]

Ok

Idk how to get to steam beta menu tho

[weary root]

but you can also run on current patch if you wish, and there are separate boards for that

[steady lynx]

If you can't run 1221 you can also use 1432 or 1578 and run current patch

[quasi perch]

Ty

[hollow cedar]

Right click hollow knight in steam library, choose preferences, choose betas (I believe)

[quasi perch]

Tytyty

[stiff delta]

how to get 5 hour achievement?

[stable quarry]

By beating the game in under 5 hours. Do you want a route or something?

[weary root]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[weary root]

^this guide is great

[stable quarry]

True, sad it's 5 hours and not 3 anymore though.

How do you remember that command? [?srpsa]

[sage moon]

People ask for the guide a lot, so people say it a lot

[stable quarry]

Is there no place to find commands like that?

[sage moon]

No idea

[thorny musk]

?help

[weary root]

it stands for SpeedRun Public Service Announcement
The command is a relic from when the speedrun community was hosted on this server and it was annoying having people ask about achievements while discussion about actual runs was happening.
Now it's just useful to have for linking the guide

[wispy swallow]

I did QGA

First time trying it

[ripe pumice]

damn nice job

[stable quarry]

Huh, I though the reminder was a little wierd as most serius discussion happens on the speedrun discord.

[green furnace]

I have legitimately given up on several speedruns because I forgot where the dreamers where, and was to disappointed in myself to continue. My pain is endless. That is all.

[weary root]

<@&283547423706447872>

[gray sandal]

heelo

i am

new

[left epoch]

hi

[steady lynx]

100% NMMS is also the only good 100% category

Until we route 100% AG properly

[fresh spade]

Which language saves the most time; Japanese or Chinese?

[digital jewel]

chinese

[fresh spade]

By how much?

(Compared to Japanese)

[steady lynx]

Like 12 seconds in any%

[digital jewel]

5-10. something like that

[fresh spade]

Alright

[steady lynx]

Longer categories the difference of course becomes larger

[fresh spade]

Yeah ones like 112%

[steady lynx]

And if you comply to the bad joke that hasn't been funny since 2017 you lose more when talking to Elderbug

[fresh spade]

Flukemon% when

[opal cypress]

I E-pogo'd for the first time D: I was beginning to think it was a myth D: All speed runs where a lie! Impossible D: but I did it D:

[steady lynx]

We made it 3 months without anyone suggesting Flukemarm speedrun, new record

[fresh spade]

Damn

[hollow cedar]

100% AG would be very cool, but also involve a ton of item duping which is lame. Benchwarp would be super cool to route though

[steady lynx]

I've kinda wanted to see 107 AG since it doesn't allow GHMMS by default which means more interesting routing

[coral shore]

What does AG mean?

[steady lynx]

All Glitches

As opposed to NMMS which is No Main Menu Storage

[coral shore]

Oh, ty

[steady lynx]

Main Menu Storage breaks the game a lot so we have a glitchset which bans specifically that

[stable quarry]

Didn't we have NOOB at one point too?

[coral shore]

Yeah, I knew that. I just didn't get the abbreviation at first

[steady lynx]

NSOOB was No Storage Out Of Bounds which banned using map storage to go out of bounds

But once MMS was discovered we just disolved OoB into the regular less glitchy glitches

[stable quarry]

Way did that stop exsisting?

[steady lynx]

We didn't want 3 different glitch subcats when we have like 20 glitched runners total at most

95% of HK runners run exclusively NMG anyway

And that's an understatement

[hollow cedar]

I think the time could be ripe for a mid glitched level, especially if it was 1.4+

[hollow cedar]

It’s be cool for sure! Might be more fun nmms though tbh

Like, all mms does is allow warp to kp and noclip

[steady lynx]

noclip can be obtained other ways anyway so it's mainly just kp warp

[tough zephyr]

does anyone have the google doc with every glitch in the game? i can't seem to find it on speedrun.com anymore

[stable moon]

What are you looking for?

[tough zephyr]

wdym?

[stable moon]

i don't have a doc but I know a lot about glitches if you want something specifically

[tough zephyr]

oh no i just wanted the whole doc

nvm found ithttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wKEPJsSWDAXUITmT34Zc83AHiVmCyvpx95QPduCvN5U/edit#gid=778969613

now i just need to figure out how to downpatch

[stable moon]

ok after glancing through that a ton of it is super outdated

[tough zephyr]

im not sure what i'm doing wrong but whenever i run the exe i download from the downpatcher it just runs normal hollow knight

[stable moon]

do you have steam_appid.txt

also what patch

[tough zephyr]

1.0.2.8

i put steam appid in but it doesnt seem to be working

should i also restart steam

[stable moon]

are you planning to learn any% nmms?

[tough zephyr]

i might

i just wanna mess around with the storage stuff and i'll see where that takes me

[stable moon]

ok regardless the speedrunning discord is better for these questions

[calm pelican]

Is there any speedrun for charms?

like getting a charm

[steady lynx]

We have Salubra's Blessing% for all charms, but none really for specific charms

90% of them are just get basic movement and then go to place

Nothing interesting

[zealous spade]

im thinking of starting speedrunning any% NMG any tips guys?

[steady lynx]

There's a server invite in pins

[weary root]

practice watcher knights

[zealous spade]

why watcher knights?

[steady lynx]

WK is the hardest boss starting out

[weary root]

either that or THK

[zealous spade]

oh ok so I should practice watcher knight with nail 0 + dash?

[steady lynx]

Shaman VS as well

[zealous spade]

alr

[weary root]

if you join the server in the pins you'll find a bunch of resources and way more people who can help

[calm pelican]

any speedrun for Fury of the fallen?

[weary root]

there's a speedrun for Kings Pass

[sage moon]

I made a speedrun that gets all charms but with a few twists

[calm pelican]

https://youtu.be/e7J26gFdi5U BUM

[steady lynx]

At least use the common timing method and follow the game rules if you're gonna make a category

[calm pelican]

Im new at the Speedrun Community, explain yourself

[knotty vigil]

with livesplit

also, you're not supposed to have mods installed while doing these

[calm pelican]

oh ok

[steady lynx]

This was the best I could bother to do right now, Jinkie did not want to comply

[calm pelican]

wao nice skip

https://youtu.be/2njtn7yygJQ

[sage moon]

Hmm

[hollow cedar]

WR pog

[sage moon]

My internet is bad, tell me the time

[hollow cedar]

47.16

[sage moon]

Wow

That's gonna be tougher to beat

[calm pelican]

Nice one

[sage moon]

At least I have CP WR

[steady lynx]

I literally got 50.33 on current patch

[hollow cedar]

Lmfao

[steady lynx]

Also it's probably faster to go above, I just wanted to show off that stupid pogo being possible

[sage moon]

Gimme a year

[steady lynx]

5b Shitpost% NMMS when?

We both know that the airwalk jump up there is possible

[hollow cedar]

Oh lol Gusten I didn't watch your clip, that pogo is cool

[formal bough]

Raise your fps so jinkie moves faster? Or is that not a thing I can't remember what jank is real or not

[steady lynx]

It accelerates faster on higher fps

[sage moon]

Is jinkie the name of the vengefly?

[formal bough]

yeah

[sage moon]

It's not cooperating with me either

[steady lynx]

I uncapped it and had the game at like 600fps for this

[sage moon]

I haven't had a good cycle for 2 runs in a row

[steady lynx]

Worst part is losing a good pace at the end to a right bounce

[sage moon]

I have some experience with getting Fury in a speedrun. But as you might have noticed, I'm not very good at speedruns

[steady lynx]

Mood

[hollow cedar]

Shitpost% nmms WR pog

[steady lynx]

If I can activate rivatuner halfway through the run I can accelerate jinkie at 600 fps and then be at 50fps and clear the jump in one pogo

[sage moon]

I got this like 5 minutes ago and I can't make it past jinkie now

[steady lynx]

I don't think MMS would help so that's also AG record

We need to do more labbing on if lure route or getting hecked by rng softfall route is faster

[formal bough]

The real strat is to print screen the pogo off the geo rock and make it up at ance

[steady lynx]

Time to convince CC to TAS it

[calm pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-gif-25104633

[sage moon]

At least it's a round number

[calm pelican]

so wr now is 47.16?

[hollow cedar]

I'd highly recommend running the kp IL instead, it's an actual category on the boards

[steady lynx]

Okay, what charm are we running tomorrow? Anything except Soul Catcher is passable

[sage moon]

Kingsoul

[hollow cedar]

kingsoul AG :)

[steady lynx]

Heard Grubsong is cool

[sage moon]

Grubberflies Elegy

[calm pelican]

Mhhh

[hollow cedar]

This is a category! Elegy%

[calm pelican]

Oh

Long nail?

[sage moon]

That's kind of cringe of them to make that a category

[steady lynx]

Lifeblood core speedrun

[calm pelican]

hiveblood?

[hollow cedar]

Also a category!

[calm pelican]

💀

[steady lynx]

We have a surprising number of just get this charm runs

[calm pelican]

Mark of pride?

[hollow cedar]

We should get rid of Grubsong some of them

[sage moon]

So far my PB for Lifeblood core is 7 seconds under 3 hours

[steady lynx]

Shoutouts to left half of Kingsoul clawless

[sage moon]

Say what now

[hollow cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP-B5ywpRXo

[hollow cedar]

1/2 Kingsoul AG

[steady lynx]

You get to white lady without claw

[sage moon]

It sounds terrible

[steady lynx]

It is possible

[sage moon]

But terrible

[steady lynx]

But incredibly cursed and requires some of the most awful shade skips

[sage moon]

Then again, anything that has the words "AG" or "Low%" in it kind of cursed (Some more than others)

In my opinion, that is

[calm pelican]

Spore Shroom?

[hollow cedar]

Oh boy let me tell you about low% AG

[steady lynx]

Putting low% anywhere except just the low% category on main board is a mistake

[sage moon]

Never, you can't make me

[steady lynx]

Low% fool was just awful

[opaque lodge]

Gruzmother skip op

Same with flukarm skip

[sage moon]

I am a true man of culture who only does the non-cursed parts Low%

[sage moon]

What's that?

[calm pelican]

tomorrow spore shroom speedrun will be real

[opaque lodge]

Nooooooo

[sage moon]

But why?

[opaque lodge]

Do the gruz skip

[calm pelican]

Gruz skip speedrun?

xD?

[opaque lodge]

No just gruz skip

You skip gruz

[calm pelican]

oh

ok

[opaque lodge]

It op

Do you agree?

[calm pelican]

ehh

yes?

[opaque lodge]

Good

It op

[sage moon]

What's the Flukemarm skip?

[opaque lodge]

You do it

[calm pelican]

idk

[opaque lodge]

By skipping fluke marm

[sage moon]

By not fighting them?

[opaque lodge]

Oui

[sage moon]

My current PB for that so far is 0:00

[calm pelican]

mine is 0:01

[sage moon]

Casual

[signal moth]

Dang

[opaque lodge]

Also I love skipping falceknight with clip glitches

do the speed boost technique

[sage moon]

Sounds like something a glitches runner would do

[calm pelican]

yeah

[opaque lodge]

Ye

[signal moth]

All glitches about to get insane

[opaque lodge]

I am a bug finder In most games

Especially Skyrim