speedrunning

[snow dome]

So optimal for 107%?

[steady lynx]

Me and vali will have to have patch wars over that later

1.5.78 technically has less freeze frames, so it's if that makes up for claw early control and CG1 cheese

And inventory cancel

But slaurfall might make up for the main one where that matters

[vocal iron]

I'm thinking of trying to get into current patch 112%

[snow dome]

112% is a pretty brutal run

But whatever you want to try obviously.

When starting out, even if you're quite good, it's going to be a 5h run.

[vocal iron]

Yeah I figured that, I don't really mind about the time though

Slow and steady is how I wanna do it

[steady lynx]

112 is mostly brutal due to that it ends with P5, the rest of the game is pretty smooth sailing

[vocal iron]

Yeah the biggest thing I imagine I have to practice is bosses

[steady lynx]

Don't underestimate movement

[vocal iron]

Mhm

It's just I was doing the Speed Completion achievement casually, and trying to run through all the content and find faster routes and optimizations was really cool to me

[snow dome]

I would suggest starting with 107%

And once you're happy with that move to 112%

[vocal iron]

Sounds like a good plan

[snow dome]

The last 5% is pretty straightforward, if very hard.

The route is still different, but you'll be more familiar with just how to move through areas etc

[vocal iron]

Mhm, it's just God tuner and pantheon iirc

[snow dome]

Yeah, that's what I mean. It's not like you have to remember a route

[steady lynx]

90% of the movement is the same

Main difficult thing 107 might have starting out is Dark Joni's and even that has setups

[vocal iron]

It's 107% AB on the leaderboards, right?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it's in misc for now

[vocal iron]

Yeah I was confused at first because of the way the leaderboard is split into the different categories with several patches together, some categories which are patch-specific, and then just "console"

[digital jewel]

it's because you can't put console and pc runs in the same place fairly

[vocal iron]

What are the main differences?

[steady lynx]

Console can only be timed RTA

[digital jewel]

console can't remove loading time

and loading is significantly longer on console as well

[steady lynx]

And the in game timer in Hollow Knight is... Yeah

There's not a massive amount of active console runners anyway

[golden bobcat]

What's bad with it? I'm very bad at speedrunning but that's what I've been using.

[steady lynx]

The main reason I despise it is because it doesn't run if you pause the game

Before 1432 it had bigger issues though

[royal arch]

im confused how you get 107% without the godhome content as i thought that counted as 6 percent (2% from godtuner and 1%per each non hallownest pantheon) and theres only 112% in the total game

sorry if thats confusing

[steady lynx]

Hive Knight was added in 1.3

[digital jewel]

the 5th pantheon doesn't give a %

[steady lynx]

Tuner is 1%

[royal arch]

ahh that was the confusion

[digital jewel]

right

[golden bobcat]

My pb is 1h 50m with a suboptimal route. How much do you think I can improve?

[digital jewel]

by around 1h 20m

[golden bobcat]

Is there any easier route that any% that isn't too much worse?

[digital jewel]

hmm not really

most deviations lose quite a lot of time

[steady lynx]

Main beginner route is really Shade Soul route but it loses easily 5+ minutes

[golden bobcat]

It just needs to be relatively more fast than 1h 50m

[digital jewel]

ok there's a lot you can do then

shade soul route for example like gusten said

[golden bobcat]

Is it just any% with shade soul?

[digital jewel]

on current patch you need to enter crystal peak early for sly's quest to get access to shade soul

[steady lynx]

Shade Soul route is generally the 1221 beginner route, current patch I think would do DDark route

[digital jewel]

so the route is very different

[golden bobcat]

I'm on CP

So what would a route be?

[steady lynx]

If you want DDark which makes bosses a joke you can go Sanctum after shade skip, Soul Master, bench in Watcher's Spire, dive entrance cpeak, Cdash, DDark, dreamnail, savewarp to Spire, wreck WK and then move on to uumuu and cry trying to 2 cycle

I assume you know the general any% route used in WR

[golden bobcat]

I do

The only problem is that I can't do acid skips

[steady lynx]

You'd probably want lantern and do Deepnest route

[golden bobcat]

The furthest I've gotten with the any% route is WK

[steady lynx]

Yeah, Wk are a big roadblock in any%

[royal arch]

you could also grab a nail upgrade before WK...

[dull pumice]

Any tips for all the fireball skip in greenpath been practicing for almost an hour an cant get the 2nd one consistently

[steady lynx]

Are you just spamming the button?

Furthermore, are you using the spell button or the focus button?

[shut sphinx]

guys, Ive started a new save file to do some more achievements, like finishing under 10 hours and killing nail maker

Im 54 min thru, and I got the claws and in city of tears

do I go for the desolate dive?

[dull pumice]

Never mind right after posting i got it. I just had to change my muscle memory so i wouldnt just spam

[dull pumice]

Thanks anyway

[wicked trench]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[buoyant urchin]

Im also beginner in speed running, but thats what im doing now/i was doing:

I went for a nail upgrade, gold husk, desolate dive, that left me around 2100 geo: exactly what i needed to unlock kings station and the lantern. I stagged back to Dirthmouth grabbed the lantern and headed cpeak for crystal heart and ddark.

Next step is WK, then archive then deep nest (probably through fungal as i dont think i can do the queens garden acid skip)

[knotty vigil]

Hey hello, i want to start speedrunning HK but I have 2 questions about it, first I don’t understand how to don’t take the fall « damage » if someone can explain me and second what version of HK is good for speedrun ? Thanks for response

[queen birch]

on 1.2.2.1, falling with you inventory open makes you fall faster and prevents the stun after falling long distance

You can do it on current patch, but it takes frame perfect timing as you leave a ledge

[analog monolith]

henlo!!
with regards to "hardfalls": these occur when u fall while airborne for a set amount of time without stopping ur momentum. the way most runners combat this is by either dashing near the ground to reset the fall time, or opening inventory in midair to cancel the hardfall (only possible pre-1.3)
which brings me to point 2: there's no best patch to run the game on, as both current and optimal patches have (nmg) boards that are separately competitive; however, for most nmg categories, 1221 is going to be fastest due to having inventory drops, spire lever skip, and skippable cutscenes, and for almost all nmms categories and some ag categories, 1028 is going to be fastest

also note that versions before 1.3 will likely not run well on lower-end machines so be wary of that

[queen birch]

I just got all minibosses in 35:27. I messed up the relic routing, but made up for it on the way to claw. It turns out the fog canyon route is just terrible

[snow dome]

I assume this is collecting e key?

[queen birch]

yes

I'm 90% sure lantern is faster than dive

anyone else want to run the cat?

With the lantern route, current patch might be viable since MMC drops a lot more geo

[vagrant warren]

If you want to see if more people want to run the cat, you may want to join the new server (in pins) as that's where the majority of active runners are

[old flame]

I found a almost consistent method to inventory drop on current patch.I tried it now for like 5 minutes and often get one

when you do small step you can almost get it always

[jovial mountain]

yep good job finding it in your own!

cp inventory drops when you open inventory on the same physics frame you step off the ledge

[old flame]

Thanks for the explanation but I know how they work

[proud junco]

https://youtu.be/E9f4tMqucDg?t=5016

Not too good but I have it automatically sent to the good run

if its not auto, 1:23:26 is the time for it

[dawn juniper]

anyone got the split text?

[snow dome]

hksplitmaker.com has them

[knotty vigil]

how much time would hitless clause add to an any% run?

[queen birch]

Hitless any% probably just follows the steel soul route

[kindred star]

Hey, i'm trying to implement auto split, but it is not working

I followed fireborn's tutorial at speedrun.com

but nothing worked...

someone had the same problem?

[analog monolith]

whats the problem specifically?

"not working" is a very broad issue that could be one of countless things

[queen birch]

Is it allowed to submit a run with the modding api, but no mods installed?

[stuck raptor]

No

[wind elbow]

skins count as a mod or can I use one while doing a run and be able to submit it?

[analog monolith]

they do count as a mod

it's not allowed to have any mods - or even the modding api itself - installed when doing runs, unless explicitly allowed on the board rules (aka hkmods)

[wind elbow]

Thank you!

[knotty vigil]

Thx for the information, I will try this

[shut sphinx]

Finished Herrah at 4 hours, and then I just couldnt beat Hollow Knight in 1 hour. Idk to even continue. Not just Hollow knight, but existing. Im bad at everything, games (finish last in all FPS's, took me 2 hours to beat the first pantheon), not even that smart, other classmates getting random A's from teachers while teachers just mock me, having entitled bitch sister, psycho mom. Only thing keeping me alive is me being coward

[knotty vigil]

cool

[snow dome]

Don't meme and spam

Especially not in response to that

<@&283547423706447872>

[south herald]

ok

[knotty vigil]

no spam

[south herald]

It’s not spam but it was about to become it

[knotty vigil]

i no spam

trust

im a man of God

[south herald]

didn’t ask

[knotty vigil]

gomenesai I delete the gif

[hexed iris]

Just set my new record- 34:20

Still died once

There is still a lot of room to improve

[knotty vigil]

cheeky

thats pretty good i think

[golden bobcat]

In my current route I pick up ismas, ddark, fury, 2 charm notches and spell twister which aren't in the any% route. My current pb is 1h 50m, I might be forgetting some things I pick up. What would be the easiest thing to skip and do you think I should go with a new route?

[snow dome]

Fury isn't worth getting under most routes

[iron bone]

i need help getting the speedrun 1 and 2 achievments

[maiden widget]

There is a great tutorial on youtube

By fireborn

did it in 3 hours with that one

[iron bone]

really

is it current patch

[maiden widget]

yeha

Worked great

did it two days ago

[iron bone]

well really thanks for the tip

[maiden widget]

only issues i had were with watcher knights and the hollow knight

But i still had two hours left over from them

Even after dying 20 + times

[iron bone]

f

[knotty vigil]

zoom zoom

[golden bobcat]

It's for the notch

[snow dome]

That's not so bad, then.

[snow dome]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[queen birch]

For a beginner, using fragile heart could be worth it. Use lifeblood heart instead if you think you’ll die at some point.
It’s never really worth getting isma’s in any% since the crossroads acid skip is easy and qga is completely optional

Also, save + quit befire you die can be used to salvage a fragile charm

[trim pewter]

I'm trying to speed run milk delivery

[daring cobalt]

Is there like, and image of the map for the any% route?

[ruby moat]

I am on 2hr 30min rn and just need watcher knights. How can i do them easily (it took me 3hr in the 10hr speedrun)

[snow dome]

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[snow dome]

?srpsa

The easiest way to beat watchers is Descending Dark + Shaman's Stone

[queen birch]

This is my meme speedrun: https://youtu.be/TZ9OBjkfjGs

[snow dome]

This category almost already exists

Time ends when you break all 3 charms, but it doesn't require Steel Soul

https://youtu.be/rlS1b7lL7pY

Here's the joint WR

[deep dagger]

My PS4 is bad so the loading times are longer than expected and the mods of speedrun.com think that I'm splicing EVEN THOUGH IM STREAMING IT.
4 of my runs have been deleted for the same reason. It's so annoying what can I do about this?

[steady lynx]

Are you just keeping the game on for days in a row?

[snow dome]

Link to a video. There's plenty of runs with long loads

[deep dagger]

I did I liked to the liveatream

[snow dome]

I meant here.

The last time you posted a video the issue wasn't load times, it was a lag spoke mid room.

A room where there's a big ol' jellyfish immediately before QGA.

If you're having issues with the video only and your game itself is running fine, try just pointing a camera at the screen. It's going to be much better for you.

[deep dagger]

Check out this video "Any% " https://www.twitch.tv/jello128/v/1208937324?sr=a&t=8s

This one

[snow dome]

Did they give a specific reason for the rejection?

[deep dagger]

They said the skip is at 21m 20 sec

[wicked trench]

You lost several seconds of your speedrun
They can't verify that it is an actual legit run

[deep dagger]

But it's obvious it's a glitch and it was livestreamed

[wicked trench]

Is that a glitch or you lost frames?

If that's a glitch: did you submitted to the NoMajorGlitches leaderboard or to the glitched leaderboard?

[deep dagger]

I mean lost frames in the recording

[polar portal]

Damn that sucks man

[wicked trench]

So the verifiers can't tell what happened between you at the gold lady and you taking damage
You may have gone around the map or stood still on a bench, unfortunatly that run is not valid
You gotta make it again, but hey! This is a good excuse to improve the time

[deep dagger]

I got a better time today 48 mins but I'm afraid this clip will have the same problem. Welp here goes nothing

[foggy hamlet]

Is it possible to do wallcling storage in cp ?

[wicked trench]

If that's so you can local record and not stream, that's ligher on the console and you'll not drop frames

[wicked trench]

yes, but is really limited - not many uses because CP in not too broken

[foggy hamlet]

Ok ty

[snow dome]

Like I said above, point a camera at your screen if you don't have the capacity to record directly.

[hasty moat]

Shut i do a speedrun?

[snow dome]

If you want to

[iron bone]

sry wrong channel

[hasty moat]

What shut be the best route

[snow dome]

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[snow dome]

There's lots of categories. The best starter categories are any% (simply beat the game), All Skills (get every skill then beat the game), and 4MS (Get 4 mask Shards).

Any% is reasonably fast but has some difficult bosses, mainly watchers and THK itself.

All Skills has one hard boss and one hard skip (hornet 2 and getting to Isma's Tear).

4 Mask Shards is very short and doesn't get any extra upgrades. It does Mawlek with just nail and then it's about making sure your basic movement is super tight.

[foggy hamlet]

I beat the first pantheon in 4 min 30 and I was scared at the end

[strong vessel]

It's worth mentioning that wallcling storage is completely banned in NMG on current patch — it is possible but it's a major glitch

[knotty vigil]

||Is elder hu round? it's for round%||

[digital jewel]

no

[steady lynx]

Absolutely not

[analog monolith]

but pancakes...

[clear lantern]

When you try a NMG but the game decided otherwise :/

[steady lynx]

3 seconds, damn, pest better step up his game

[clear lantern]

git gud lel

[snow dome]

This is why that timer isn't allowed

(part of it anyway)

[clear lantern]

Yup, that got me into starting to do things right^^

[lime ibex]

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[slim geyser]

Hi! I'm one of the verifiers. I sent you a direct message on Speedrun.Com, if you want to talk

[copper walrus]

Hey! I've been learning the Any% NMG route. In the wr run I found, during the Watcher Knights split the runner hits a lever through the floor to open a door. How do I do that?

[slim geyser]

@copper walrus you must down patch to the 1221 patch of the game

[copper walrus]

So can I not do it on console?

[slim geyser]

that's correct

if you are concerned that this means you can't compete, don't worry

both current patch, and consoles have their own leaderboards

so the competition is fair

[copper walrus]

Yeah I remember seeing separate console leaderboards. So do I just go there the intended way or?

[slim geyser]

Yep that's right

just have to kill the big husk

[copper walrus]

Got it. Thank you

[fickle walrus]

I have one question. I'm pretty new to hollow knight speedrunning so my bad if this has been answered before. For every speedrun I've seen, a significant part of it is collecting geo for the lantern to navigate the deepnest section. Could you not just navigate that area without it?

I imagine you would save a fair bit of time not going for hallownest seals and the gorgeous husk.

[snow dome]

The toll requires lantern to use it

The other option is dive, which takes longer

[brittle meadow]

^^

[fickle walrus]

Ah I see. Thanks

You mean the toll to crystal peak right?

[snow dome]

Yes

Any room that is dark requires lantern to interact with the objects in it

So you don't need to go get to descending dark or go through Deepnest on later patches, but you do need it for peaks toll, or No Eyes

[fickle walrus]

👍

[fickle walrus]

Is there a reason why the in game timer after the credits roll isn't used?

[slim geyser]

it's not remotely accurate

[snow dome]

See this

[slim geyser]

it's frequently broken, and never seems to accurately reflect time without loads, time with loads, in game time, or real time

[snow dome]

This is just one of the many problems.

[fickle walrus]

Ah okay. Cheers

[slim geyser]

lol tami can't believe that happened today

too relevant

[snow dome]

Extremely convenient

[thorny leaf]

I want to learn how to Speedrun the game, but I have no clue how to start

I tried doing a Speedrun(not really, I was just trying to go fast), it was 4 hours and 20 minutes. I couldn't submit it though because it wasn't all in one sitting

[steady lynx]

We're supposed to recommend joining the pinned discord

[thorny leaf]

Oh, thanks for the heads up

[steady lynx]

We're much more active there so higher chance of getting help with general questions

[thorny leaf]

Cool cool, good to know

[blissful ice]

• 1.2.2.1 is prob the best patch to speedrun on
• make sure to use a real speedrun timer instead of the in-game credit timer as that one is extremely inaccurate
• of course make sure you have time to do it in all one sitting
• you can watch some people on youtube to get an idea of what the best speedrunning route is

[thorny leaf]

I'm an Xbox player BTW, I can't exactly downpatch

[blissful ice]

oh

there's a seperate speedrun catagory for consle players so dont worry

[steady lynx]

Then you'll have to go against my runs

[thorny leaf]

And in my run, I got multiple upgrades, didn't even try to do some things, died multiple times. Like I said, wasn't a Speedrun, was just trying to go fast

And that's what I compared my time to on the leaderboard, was Xbox times

[blissful ice]

also another tip is to play on chinese language as the text goes way faster

[thorny leaf]

Yeah. I know the basics, I just don't know any routes, and Im bad at doing skips. My best skip was the greenpath squit one

[blissful ice]

yeah idk too much about current patch / console routes either so srry i can't help you with that

[thorny leaf]

Don't worry

I'll get it eventually

[steady lynx]

We have great guides on stuff like that in the channels in the server in the pins

[thorny leaf]

Great to hear, I'll familiarize myself with it sometime soon

[slim geyser]

don't scare the poor boi

[steady lynx]

I'm just excited for maybe finally having someone beat my runs

[light belfry]

Every major skip (for any% NMG) is possible on console as I used to run on Switch (admittedly not very good) but I would always go for the PC NMG route

[rough trench]

well you can't do lever skip or baldur skip

[light belfry]

yes, but in my mind I don't consider those to be major skips, they're only a minor time save (in my opinion)

[rough trench]

fair enough

im too lazy to downpatch so i speedrun current

[thorny leaf]

When I had a working pc I tried to downpatch but it didn't work

[light belfry]

why didn't it work? do you know?

[thorny leaf]

Nah, I don't

The way you do it is by copy pasting a certain thing into the steam console, correct?

It's been a while I forget

[light belfry]

I'm pretty sure you just right click the game in your steam library, then got to properties>betas>1221

[thorny leaf]

That's a new thing

Previously you had to put a certain command into the console

And it just never worked for me

[light belfry]

oh, is it? I only got the game about 3 weeks ago, but I've played for a long time on switch

[analog monolith]

depotdownloader ye, that used to be the main downpatch method

[thorny leaf]

Oh, but yeah, Downpatching was a lot different earlier

But recently team Cherry just decided to be nice and made the beta

[analog monolith]

now it's just steam betas (for 1432, 1221) which is a lot more simple

[thorny leaf]

Damn, wish I could play on PC

My PC can't connect to wifi because if a virus, and when it was normal it always had input lag

[analog monolith]

:c

yeah input lag is pretty common on lower end systems, especially if u have vsync turned on

[thorny leaf]

Yeah it was also like an 8 year old PC

:(

[unborn cypress]

Does anyone know when the timer of the save file ends at?

I'm talking about the time displayed at the end of the credits

[snow dome]

It ends at some point after you kill THK, probably after the final cut scene ends. It's very inaccurate so it's not easy to know

[unborn cypress]

that's all I need for my video edits. Thanks

[round kelp]

I think most people cut it when the screen goes black at the end of the final focus

[deep dagger]

how did you manage to get a working timer on ps4?

[hexed iris]

You pretty much can’t

I just used the stopwatch lol

[junior kelp]

can anyone give me tips to speedrun?

[deep dagger]

yet on gustens top ps4 run he did have a timer

[hexed iris]

Well idk how then

[hexed iris]

Which category?

[junior kelp]

any%

[hexed iris]

Well I am not good at that

[junior kelp]

xd

[hexed iris]

So yeah I can’t give you tips on that

[junior kelp]

ok

[hexed iris]

I am just doing mini boss%

If you want tips on that I can help 😂

[junior kelp]

xd

[deep dagger]

the best tip i can give is to try and learn the route like the back of your hand and to try skips until you feel comfortable completing them repeatedly

[junior kelp]

ima try to do grub%

[junior kelp]

ty

should i try to do grub%?

[deep dagger]

and at first try to at leasdt complete a run nothing too crazy

[junior kelp]

ok

ty for tips

[steady lynx]

I have an elgato and just added the timer in OBS

[junior kelp]

oh cool

[steady lynx]

It's also how I managed to record a 4+ hour run

Nevermind Platinum Trophy which took 7:27:04

[snow dome]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[sour pivot]

@junior kelp

[junior kelp]

?

[cinder forge]

iam learning the any percent route at the moment and i really struggle to get watcher knights can anyone help me

[analog monolith]

watcher knights is easily the hardest part of the any% run under the optimal route, harder than any skip or other boss that u have to do

and is plenty of a threat even with better equipment

theres alternate routes that get a nail upgrade or even shade soul to help with the fight if ur looking for that; otherwise, we can analyze a video to see where theres potential improvements if u want

[knotty vigil]

how do you get speedrunning role

[cinder forge]

i mean i cant even get the fight once and iam trying really hard

[analog monolith]

the speedrunner role is obsolete and deprecated, as almost all activity has shifted to the new server in pins dedicated to the speedrun community

[velvet jay]

maybe this will help

https://youtu.be/XlmjHynpIjc

[cinder forge]

i watched that already

[velvet jay]

rip

[analog monolith]

this will be what happens with watcher knights for a good few hours or even more. this fight isnt easy, and even top runners struggle to beat them with upgrades sometimes

[knotty vigil]

how long have you practiced

[cinder forge]

iam at it for like 2h and didnt even get the last knight

[analog monolith]

yep. thats the harsh reality of any% watchers :/

[knotty vigil]

imbetween knight deaths u can get heals in which helps at the begining?

and are you practicing with the nail upgrade

[cinder forge]

no

[knotty vigil]

that will probably be necisary for ur first few runs untill u get better

it makes it so much easier

[cinder forge]

how does the route work to get the nail upgrade

[knotty vigil]

before the watchers you take the bench before them then you go down to the left of lemm and get the hallownest seal in the top of the room left of lemm so that you maintain enough geo then you get the nail upgrade once you have it you save quit to watcher bench

to help i would watch some runs on speedrun.com at around 47 mins

or 45

[cinder forge]

i will do that

[knotty vigil]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zq6nd6ry this one demonstrates it however they sell to lemm on the way to nail upgrade i would sell after Watchers as usual so that you can sell the hallownest seal from the watcher knight fight

[cinder forge]

thanks

[digital jewel]

sorry but this is bad advice. you definitely should sell before watchers on the way to get nail upgrade as this is much faster than having to go the left side of city twice

-collect the wanderers journal in mantis village after mantis claw and before you quit back to crossroads
-don't open the lever on the bottom level of watchers spire
-rest at the watchers spire bench
-go up and around to lemm rather than the lower route. collect the hallownest seal from the rafters in the room up and to the left of lemm. this replaces the watcher knights seal
-upgrade nail
-quitout, then fight watchers
-after watchers, just go all the way down watchers spire and straight to kings station

[cinder forge]

seems logical

[delicate cradle]

Hey I want to get into Hollow knight speedrunning. any tips?

[cinder forge]

i just realised that i dont have shamon stone equiped iam stupid

[velvet jay]

you're not stupid
and you can still kill them even without charms

[wicked trench]

That's more common than what you think

[slim geyser]

Yeah, if you are looking to do optimal routs and want access to the most information and resources available you should join the server in the pins

[knotty vigil]

Do you guys have any easy speedrun idea?

Dash, cdash, wings..

[clear bloom]

Does anyone know how to get ahold of the Japanese version of the game?

[steady lynx]

You can just change the language from options on the title screen

[clear bloom]

Is that all you have to do to get the inventory drop?

[knotty vigil]

If you’re talking about the mid air thing speed runners use, that’s something they do on patch 1221 (it was patched out in the lifeblood update)

You can still technically do it on current patch but you need to press inventory the very frame you leave an edge (1/50 second timing)

[clear bloom]

Oh ok thanks

[knotty vigil]

If you’re on steam you can actually downpatch to 1221 now

[eager tundra]

K

[pliant geyser]

Hey everyone, is it still possible to get to claw without dash on the current patch? I can't get the epogo to work nor can I find a way up a ledge on the normal path

[echo rover]

Yes I believe low% cp uses a vsync damage tank epogo thingy and it used to use a shade skip

[pliant geyser]

Dang, I may go for the shade skip but the other sounds a bit outside my wheelhouse right now. Thanks!

[echo rover]

Yeah apparently the low% cp epogo is extremely hard but I’ve never tried it

I believe the shade skip route benches at leg eater and then shade skips but idk

[stark birch]

low% cp epogo is brutally difficult, even the current WR opts for the shade skip instead

tbf cp low% is not tremendously popular, but it's widely considered a no-fun trick

[echo rover]

Yeah it’s insanely difficult

Also vsync is just cringe anyways

[pliant geyser]

Got the shade skip, thanks for the help!

[echo rover]

No

Np

[clear merlin]

any tips on learning how to spike tunnel?

[slim geyser]

have you looked at the all-skills tutorial @clear merlin ?

[snow dome]

4 Mask Shards is a really popular, really easy one

It's exactly what it says; get 4 mask Shards (which is a mask upgrade). You can find runs on it on speedrun.com/hollowknight

[hasty moat]

GUYS!!!

OKOK!!!

I FOUND A NEW SHORTCUT

IF POSSIBLE I CAN GET 2 MIN EARLIER

I TRYING TO GET A CLIP

[snow dome]

I'm going to say that if you started learning yesterday you should probably temper your excitement here

[harsh phoenix]

Hello fellas. I've seen there is a mod for speedrunners, where you can see the things to obtain and a timer.
What's the name of it?

[snow dome]

"fellas"

Guess you don't want half this community's help then

(A large amount of us aren't fellas.)

[steady lynx]

Autosplitter?

[slim geyser]

livesplit, probably

[harsh phoenix]

@steady lynx @slim geyser Thanks I'll check if they work for my 5h speedrunning achievement.

[plucky cosmos]

does anybody know a vid that explains most current patch skips or nah?

[wicked trench]

One that have the most of them? I don't think there's one, but if you search each of them individually you'll definetly find what you need

[deep dagger]

whats the skip?

[slim geyser]

most current patch skips are the same as 1221 skips, with the main exception of explosion pogo.

most of the time, current patch just removes skips completely (like lever skips and queens garden hazard warp abuse) or keeps them the same (like shade skip and acid skips)

[slim geyser]

#speedrunning message here is the link to the explosion pogo. if you find another current patch skip than needs explaining, let us know

[plucky cosmos]

oh thanks, will definetly ask if i need more

gonna do some races with friends and we have like a day to train skips

[knotty vigil]

what are the %s you don't get in 106%TE? 5 are godtuner and the 4 pantheons, what's the last one? the % total for non-godhome stuff is 107% right?

[slim geyser]

hive knight

[knotty vigil]

is it no seer ascension?

[knotty vigil]

but then how hiveblood

[slim geyser]

hive knight does not exist on 1221

but hiveblood does

[knotty vigil]

ah

[slim geyser]

that's why 106% can only be run on 1221

well any 1.2.x.x patch but 1221 is the one you want

[knotty vigil]

i had a sneaking suspicion it was hive knight, but hiveblood confused me. i thought hiveblood was added along with hiveknight as a reward

wait so then before hive knight was added hiveblood was the reward just for going through the hive?

[steady lynx]

Yep

Still a pretty terrible reward

[knotty vigil]

also 112%APB requires you to get GPZ?

[steady lynx]

APB stands for All Pantheon Bosses so GPZ is required

It's also why P5 is required, because Sisters, Nosket and AbsRad become required

[knotty vigil]

do you have to kill NKG in 112%APB (in dirtmouth), or can you banish and get NKG in p5

[hasty moat]

i began speedrunning a long time ago but dont have a officialy speedrun yet

[wicked trench]

Second one

[plucky cosmos]

anyone have some tips for like watcher knights with no spells (except vengefull ofcourse) and no nail upgrades

[wicked trench]

When you jump, just do a full jump and process the situation, don't dash over them as soon as you clear their head
Double/triples make a big difference: if you kill them faster the fight is shorter and you are less likely to take damage - try to learn this tech

[plucky cosmos]

Thanks for the advice, will try

[snow dome]

You asked for a route literally two days ago

[hasty moat]

Yeah, i wanted to do something else. Just asking what route.

[knotty vigil]

Thanks

How can you get the speedrun list

How can you get this list and others?

[stuck raptor]

That's a timer program

Called livesplit

[knotty vigil]

Where can i find this list?

[stuck raptor]

What list

[knotty vigil]

Mask shards 4

[stuck raptor]

Look at what other runners have for splits

And copy it

[knotty vigil]

Thankd

[snow dome]

You can use hksplitmaker.com (might be .net?) and grab them from there

You can make your own or see if there is a premade one

[knotty vigil]

Can you use any speedrun timers on playstation?

[wicked trench]

No, the timer uses is the "Real Time"
I might be wrong but I think that the verifiers will add the time when they verify the run

[stuck raptor]

You can use livesplit and start and stop it yourself. But it won't read console memory like it does for PC to start and stop automatically and remove load time

Mostly useful for recording with a timer overlay if you want. The timer runs on your PC though

[solid canopy]

so where do I start learning to speedrun

[quaint grove]

whiich category

[solid canopy]

any%

[smoky lark]

Why can't i get the moss knight to jump back

I've tried everything

:((

[smoky lark]

Pretty sure FireB0rn has an any% tutorial

Otherwise use a written guide

[solid canopy]

Thanks

[smoky lark]

I really don't like the fact that you have to charm those geo rocks on all skills

In greenpath

[tropic abyss]

just got a 20 min speedrun

source : trust me bro

[queen birch]

That’s pretty slow for talk to elderbug once%

[knotty vigil]

Question

has anyone done a "fewest Hunter's Journal entries" run?

[queen birch]

What does that mean?

[steady lynx]

So a low% run where we just don't kill optional enemies?

[knotty vigil]

No, I'm just talking about minimum possible journal entries

It's also pointless, because the journal automatically adds all crossroads entries, even if you didnt kill anything

so it would be very boring due to that, but Idk enough about the game to avoid killing some things.

yeah it's completely possible to not kill a single vengefly, crawlid, husk, or boss in crossroads. You only have to kill two elder balduurs and a couple aspid hunters.

[analog monolith]

if im remembering correctly it would end up being aspid hunter, elder baldur, watcher knight, uumuu, stalking devout, and either hornet or shrumal ogre (probably hornet for an actual run)

kp -> vs: aspid hunter
vs -> gp: elder baldur (do 0 spit baldurs)
gp -> claw: hornet or shrumal ogre, depending on low% or any% routing

from claw: low% to dnail, 0 extra entries

dnail -> lurien: wk, ghs on cp

[short spire]

you can bypass the last devout by pulling it forwards enough

[knotty vigil]

yeah damage boost

[short spire]

it's just very time consuming

[analog monolith]

dont u still need to kill the first?

or idk

[knotty vigil]

idr

[short spire]

the first one is fairly easy to get past

[analog monolith]

understood

[short spire]

low% even goes for it

[knotty vigil]

I'm just mildy pissed that the Journal is already filled out with tier one descriptions of every crossroads enemy, and full descriptions of the crawlids and False Knight.

[analog monolith]

so this would basically end up being low% route from claw onwards, but with dash

[knotty vigil]

yeah

[analog monolith]

since that also skips the shade journal entry

[knotty vigil]

does the spikes in the aspid hunter room (if killed by them) count towards the kill count?

[short spire]

shade you could just leave at 1 hp but gruz mom would be unavoidable with any% route

[analog monolith]

i assume so; other hazards do too

[knotty vigil]

because you can use both of the spikes to kill all three if done well

[short spire]

or wait is gruz mom one of the ones that are already included

[knotty vigil]

yeah

[short spire]

oh okay then you could just do that

probably still faster to play the rest of the game at 2/3 soul than do tram pass

[knotty vigil]

It takes a lot of fun out of the concept for me. Like I was expecting shade, Hornet, THK, UUmuu, Wathcher knights

[analog monolith]

so it's just any% deepnest route then

:c

[short spire]

p much yeah lol

[knotty vigil]

yeah pretty much

no wonder it hasnt been done

maybe a modder could make a Hunter's Journal mod for this.

wouldnt there also be a moss knight in there?

[analog monolith]

minimum kills might be interesting

[knotty vigil]

yeah

[analog monolith]

OH YEAH

that actually means it's literally just low% instead

[knotty vigil]

yeah i was wondering why nobody ahs done it, and now i know

[analog monolith]

shrumal ogre vs. hornet + moss knight

[knotty vigil]

If there's a Hunter's Journal equivellent in Silksong, I hope something like this is possible as a unique catigory.

[analog monolith]

pacifist% might be interesting as an alternative? idk

i would play low% with dash

since w/ shrumals thats still 2 enemies

[knotty vigil]

pacifist% would be interesting

[smoky glen]

Does this eliminate the need to get cdash/isma's
https://youtu.be/hV5yOUziQOg

[analog monolith]

no

this still requires shade cloak, sharp shadow, and wings, which is much, much slower than just getting cdash

and is much more % than cdash as well

plus, at the point where u have shade cloak, might as well go through the shade gate instead

[snow dome]

This skip is for Rando

This is very slightly faster than going through the shade gate if you're coming from QG and don't need to get Wraiths at this point, but the category that does this doesn't exist.

[dull bay]

and nail 1

[spiral scaffold]

again😂

[stone solar]

omg

[deep dagger]

why is it that theres such a big difference in speedrun times between pc and console? the route is pretty much the same

[digital jewel]

console includes loading time

[deep dagger]

so if the loading times were removed then the time would be basically the same?

[digital jewel]

console would still be slower because the current runs are less optimised and it's harder to play as well because of input lag. but the difference would be way less

[steady lynx]

Console also has the effect of burning me out every time I try to run any%

[knotty vigil]

How to delete search history any%

[steady lynx]

Microwave the device you want the history deleted on

[knotty fractal]

can this be possible re route for low% TE? you can farm essence in the lil thingies next to flukewarm...

[twin swallow]

you need dive to get into lower waterways, so it wouldn't be low% anymore

[knotty fractal]

oh

i didn't about that though

nt tho

[dim nova]

Does the skip for mantis claw still work?

[valid latch]

I also noticed that during a rando

Could you get into there using the isma area but the other way

[jagged vault]

Explosion Pogo is still doable, although the methods on current patch are different, this because team cherry made it so that you cannot pogo the explosion, and only the spore itself

[valid latch]

Or is that not lower waterways

[jagged vault]

lower left- it requires the breaking of a dive floor

[knotty fractal]

ok

[valid latch]

what if you do the isma skip but into the waterways section

or does that require dash

[analog monolith]

getting to that area hard requires dive

unfortunately

[dim nova]

How do you do the skip to lost kin without super dash?

[valid latch]

You use a shade or something and a fireball to lure it.

You might need a nail upgrade

[dim nova]

When I fire the vengeful spirit it doesn’t hit the shade though, cuz the shade is offscreen.

[valid latch]

It isn't supposed to hit the shade. It is just to lure it so you can pogo off of it

[dim nova]

so it doesnt actually have to hit the shade?

[queen birch]

it does have to hit

[dim nova]

oh

then how do you get the projectile to not despawn?

[queen birch]

VS will disappear at the edge of the screen no matter what. Shade soul can go thru the wall. Other than that, you're out of luck

[dim nova]

bruh

ok

[valid latch]

What do you mean shade soul can go through the wall

[queen birch]

*a wall

[valid latch]

yeah but why does that matter

[queen birch]

it might not

[valid latch]

You might have to jump into the shade then pogo off it

[stark birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cLTYNwhmtg this is a tutorial for the basic outline of the trick; on current patch (1.4 and later) you need to be a little farther to the left than she is when she's actually doing the skip in real time, I try to be intersecting the background branch when I cast

the video is also clawless, imo it's easier if you have claw to walljump from the left side of the platform rather than jumping off since you can full jump and not dunk

[normal aspen]

thats on CP so the distance should be correct. For with claw though a full height walljump from the geo rock plat just below the edge means u dont bonk and get way further as quacc mentioned

[rough chasm]

Would this be a valid speedrun tactic for maybe p5 or smthng? Credit to RNS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdlkQbwRoH0&ab_channel=RNS

[analog monolith]

unlikely bc of how little dps it actually does compared to e.g. strength quick slash

[rough chasm]

O rlly?

[analog monolith]

but could still be useful in places where u have dashmaster

[rough chasm]

Fair enough

Ye true

[analog monolith]

like if i had access to this i would abuse the crap out of it

that opportunity just doesnt really come up too often in speedrunning

[rough chasm]

True maybe that could be some kinda route

But u need to grab dash slash so that could lose a lot of time

[analog monolith]

might be mildly useful for save myla dslash route bv fight

[rough chasm]

O yea

[analog monolith]

but thats realistically the only place outside of 1xx i could see this being super useful

[rough chasm]

Ye

[analog monolith]

definitely a cool idea tho ill keep it in mind o:

[rough chasm]

Ight cool : )

[strong vessel]

I still think that downwards dash slash should do a mega-pogo, change my mind 😤

[verbal junco]

help my timer isnt starting when the game starts

like it just stays

at 0.00

[digital jewel]

do you have autosplits

[verbal junco]

the last time i speedran yes
its been since like

june though

[digital jewel]

are they still there

[verbal junco]

lol it was deactivated sorry

[spare crane]

[copper walrus]

The Baldur one shot trick before greenpath is only on an older patch right?

[steady lynx]

Only 1.2.2.1 as far as I know

[wicked trench]

Current Patch doesn't have it

[copper walrus]

That's what I thought

Thanks

[steady lynx]

Current patch just has to cry at double the Baldur RNG

[copper walrus]

One run I got a baldur spit first try and then another it took 6 tries to shoot one lol

Gonna have to deal

[steady lynx]

My PB is 15 spits

[copper walrus]

Bruh💀

[steady lynx]

I think the record is 18

[copper walrus]

My god

[stark birch]

Record for single baldur is 20, combined 2-baldur (cp early game luck) is 28

[granite field]

at this point I would finish and post the run, just for the meme

20 for single baldur seems so unreal

[pseudo swan]

cursed category idea: max% no claw/cloak

[steady lynx]

max% dashless is 105%, clawless is more interesting

[pseudo swan]

both dashless and clawless

required cursed shade skip setup from great hopper%

what is the max percent in this?

[digital jewel]

less than 105 definitely

[steady lynx]

Like 56

[analog monolith]

when 👀

i thought highest was jamie's 19

[pseudo swan]

ooh, I kinda want to see this now 👀

[analog monolith]

my best guess is 39%

mayb 41% depending on whether or not u can get a 2nd mask, and whether or not i missed smth obvious lol

[pseudo swan]

now the question is: who wants to attempt this?

[analog monolith]

not me

bc this requires 100+ hours of essence grinding with vs only

[steady lynx]

You

Can't even use bees

[analog monolith]

i think itd have to be bird farming

which sucks without wings

[pseudo swan]

and you can't get wings, right?

[analog monolith]

wings requires cdash, dash, or claw

wait

wings requires claw

[pseudo swan]

does cdash require claw?

[analog monolith]

lost kin requires one of those 3

cdash requires claw

(shop key does not)

[pseudo swan]

i'd suppose that just max% clawless would be less tedious in terms of getting essence, right?

[analog monolith]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u_WlAxrvncELoMlhghyyHPL9qT-Oa2O9v7DELNC6L4E/edit?usp=sharing

[pseudo swan]

oh there's a spreadsheet already

[stark birch]

The combined 28 is in mathulu’s aluba% pb which he only submitted because of that rekky not because of the run lol

and I believe paum holds the single spit 20 but idk where it is

[analog monolith]

really hmm

i remember multiple ppl recently citing jamie's 19

nvm apparently im misremembering

sorry

[viscid axle]

SOON

I WILL GO FOR THE WORLD RECORD

OF HOLLOW

KNIGHT

SOON

[steady lynx]

Good luck

[wise ferry]

pretty sure there's a wcs technique for doing this but I've never seen it done like this before. not sure which is preferable

[wicked trench]

(thinking about any%) you are don't have souls to do the fireball stall here, you just get c.heart and then save-quit back to dirthmouth
wcs is indeed possible here

[wise ferry]

yes this doesn't change the any% route lol. maybe uumuu% will become a thing. god forbid

[snow dome]

Uumuu% sounds pretty cool at this point

Apart from the actual fight

Which sounds total crap

[short spire]

any% to claw and then uumuu sure sounds like a fun time

[silk jasper]

hello, is there any way of seeing old speedrun channels? I'm trying to run any% all glitches and I think there is a lot of useful tech there

[snow dome]

?pins

[sick raven]

Check the pinned messages for more information - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187137504393035776/823796522751623168/unknown.png

[snow dome]

The short answer is no

[silk jasper]

:( okay

[short spire]

@normal aspen or someone can probably give you the role

[snow dome]

We explicitly don't do that anymore

[short spire]

it's fine to give it to people who wanna see the archives

[snow dome]

Then what was the point in removing it?

[short spire]

wym

[wicked trench]

none imo

[short spire]

you have it

[snow dome]

Oh

They just removed the colour

[short spire]

the channels are just hidden from normies so as to not clutter the server

[digital jewel]

There you go

[silk jasper]

thank you

[knotty vigil]

any tips on starting HK speedrunning for controller? Mostly need stuff like what route is good, what charms ect

[snow dome]

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[knotty vigil]

Danka

Whats 0 geo?

[analog monolith]

beating the game without picking up any geo

[knotty vigil]

Right, sorry for asking so many questions btw

[snow dome]

If you click "View rules" on any category it will tell you the goal

[knotty vigil]

I was doing hornet% on steel soul and died

first time playing steel soul.

[echo rover]

good luck :D!

[novel olive]

how to speedrun on hk ?

[dull bay]

Is hornet% any different of a route from any% or do you need to do hornet 2

[wicked trench]

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[knotty vigil]

I didn't use route, it wasn't an "real" speedrun, just one I used to see how fast I could beat hornet 1

[smoky lark]

Anyone got advice on aspid spike kill consistency?

[snow dome]

Which patch?

[smoky lark]

1221

But nvm

I asked Vy and it really helped

Mantis pogo still impossible though

[dull bay]

Mood

Does anyone have good tips for watchers knights? They keep

[cunning basin]

So how many fireballs would you need to get from howling cliffs to crystal peak

It might be doable with spell twister

[vocal compass]

i dont know if this is a modded glitch, but by opening map when sitting in trap bench it lets you move freely (your character model is stuck on bench); when you move into the nest, you are still free and can move. once you swing your nail enough you break free and end up wherever you get the invisible self yoo

i found it on stream tonight so i included that here

i dont know if anyone else has ever found this but figured i would share

[copper walrus]

Is there a fucking tutorial for the Watcher Knights fight in Speedruns

This shit is actually making me lose my mind

Fighting these mfs with Nail 0 and VS only is extremely annoying

[tired wyvern]

So, I’ve been practicing any% for the last few months, and I just got to uumuu. I need some advice on him, because he is behaving very differently from the guides I am watching, specifically in that he moves away really quickly when I hit him. Does this have anything to do with me playing on current patch?

[copper walrus]

Also I am on current patch

[copper walrus]

And this would be useful for me as well

[tired wyvern]

Only been getting 4 cycles, nothing better

I got ONE 3 cycle but like am I just trash wut

[tired wyvern]

Yes there is

Watch fireborns city of tears split guide

@copper walrus https://youtu.be/XlmjHynpIjc

Keep in mind theres no easy way to learn it, took me about 10 hours and I beat it like half the time

[copper walrus]

Aight thanks

[hexed thorn]

uumuu has different knockback on current patch - try watching some any% current patch speedruns to see how they set things up

[weary root]

RIP PossiblyParker Died to watchers mid sentence

[analog monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611544231772170/875554871623962634/CP_Uumuu_2_dnails_into_2_160_damage_cycle.mp4
heres a 2 cycle setup (credit to calli) for cp, note that it's absurdly hard to pull off and will probably result in a 3-cycle most of the time

at least for the 1st cycle; 2nd cycle is similar but with 2 instant nail cancels into the rest

[undone loom]

Hello, can we downpatch hollow knight on the Xbox app ?

[snow dome]

No

You can still speedrun on current patch though

[undone loom]

for the any% no major glitch ?

[snow dome]

Yes

You can compare to other runs on current patch.

[undone loom]

ok

[whole mountain]

try to always doublehit your fireballs

[echo aspen]

new pb les' gooooooooooooooooo

[smoky lark]

Nice work

[granite field]

congrats

[smoky lark]

Mantis pogo is very hard

Why is it harder than doing all 3 fireballs skips in a row

[kindred halo]

can someone tell me

if i should get

speedrun mod

or

1.2.2.1

[queen birch]

1.2.2.1 so that your runs are valid

[kindred halo]

ok

and

How work autosplit

and

that thing fireb0rn does

where loading doesnt count

[kindred halo]

mr negative?

[queen birch]

Fireb0rn wrote a guide on that. Just google it

[kindred halo]

What do i search

[wicked trench]

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[wicked trench]

it's here

[kindred halo]

culfy do you have a layout? for hk

[wicked trench]

I just have the my timer and the controller displayed - I don't think this is considered layout
You can just have the timer displayed, even without the splits but just the timer running

[kindred halo]

it doesnt AUTOSPLIT

[wicked trench]

you have to set it up

[kindred halo]

how me set it up

[wicked trench]

try follow this one https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl

[kindred halo]

i did

doesnt Work

do i need to split it manually?

[wicked trench]

no
How doesn't it work? Does it get the green 0.00 at the start?

[kindred halo]

yes

[wicked trench]

did you activate it? (screenshot coming)

[kindred halo]

yep

[wicked trench]

is it in this way?

[kindred halo]

yes

[wicked trench]

did you create the splits?

[kindred halo]

yes

im not an idiot

the issue is

that as soon as i start

it doest start the timer

@wicked trench

[wicked trench]

I'm thinking what other problems you might have

[kindred halo]

ok

[wicked trench]

You'll have to wait for someone who is more used to work with LiveSplit, nothing esle comes in my mind if you already activated it and created the splits

[jagged vault]

do you have at least one trigger set up?

you need to go into those settings and configure the split points yourself

@kindred halo

timer will only work as soon as you have at least one autosplit point active. also make sure you set your time setting to Game Time

[knotty vigil]

what does a gold split mean?

a gold is the fastest time you've done a specific segment

[gray dome]

ummh

im just replaying hollow knight rn in this hard mode

in which u can only die once

and i just finished the mantis lords

should i go into this crystal area or would it be better to go into this spider area haha?

btw even if thats the speedrunning channel im not trying to speedrun haha i just want to complete it a second time

[wicked trench]

They fixed it on #822831192150638643 in the speedrun server

[wicked trench]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[gray dome]

yeah nvm sorry just thought bcz its not an casual question haha

i will ask in the help channel another time thanks :)

[wicked trench]

No worries
You are when likely gonna find more people that are able to help there

[clear merlin]

has there been an R5AB run yet?

[steady lynx]

What would that even entail?

[knotty vigil]

wr is 1 hit if that's what you're asking about

[smoky lark]

Can someone tell me what's going wrong

The mantises are never in position for me

ever

i've practiced this for like 4 hours in total and only got it properly like 5 times

[stoic sluice]

I'd try asking in the server in the pins. There are more people there that should be able to help.

[stuck raptor]

Your dash right after hitting the lever is too slow and low

[keen kettle]

hey does anyone have a white palace practice save file with all upgrades?

[true palm]

For IL’s?

i think this ones good

[tired wyvern]

holy hell

[heavy perch]

hello, do you know how down patch in 1.2.2.1 with GOG? Because I have just this possibilities:

[digital jewel]

you can't

[heavy perch]

😭

[dull umbra]

wassup spedrunners

I have this thing where

when I'm speedrunning 1.2.2.1

when I exit and go back in to get to a bench, my attack key doesn't work (which is click) and to make it work I have to go into my keyboard setting and back out

strange.

[stuck raptor]

You need to use blue.exe to keep mouse binds for that patch

[dull umbra]

hm

what's that

[stuck raptor]

A custom program

Pinned in the Speedrunning discord resources channel probably

[dull umbra]

ok

thx

lol

I changed it to Pg up becuase that was the closest thing to click lol but now I can change it back

[jagged vault]

you're doing the main part of the setup correctly! however, as soon as you pogo the left mantis, you are dashing immediately which cancels all upwards momentum you just got from the pogo and prevents you from getting height. Delay that rightward dash until you've gotten all the height from the pogo and you should be good! GL <3

[dull bay]

I had the same issue, i just ended up using keyboard no mouse

[dull umbra]

yea

PG Dn actually

its the closest button to my mouse

lol

i use controller now tho

way better for learning fireball skips

i've done all three fball skips once now

yay

[dull bay]

true, although timing the fireball itself is easier on keyboard imho

[jovial mountain]

if you're playing on keyboard, make sure to download socd_cleaner, it overrides directional inputs and makes turnarounds easier to do. join the speedrunning server (invite in pins) to get access to all these resources

[cunning basin]

Is save corruption possible?

[steady lynx]

Not in any remotely useful way with our current understandings

[cunning basin]

:(

[steady lynx]

You can corrupt a save, but it'll just fail to load

[cunning basin]

just edit the save data so it works

[steady lynx]

Sure, just figure out a way to do that consistently

[cunning basin]

lol but have we found anyway to do ACE

or is that like 8 stagways away

[kindred halo]

IM FAST

[haughty zodiac]

is this just for hardcore speedrunning or is "speedrunning" to get the achievements also able to be discussed here?

[jovial mountain]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[jovial mountain]

if you're interested in speedrunning, you can join the speedrunning discord (invite in pins) to get access to resources and speedrunning discussion

[cunning basin]

any tips for the spike tunnel into the isma tear room?

[snow dome]

You want to slide down the right wall, and do a full jump as late as possible.

That puts the apex of your jump just in the right place

After that it's just about timing the Pogo and dash

[marsh flame]

is nosk grub skip possible in the latest patches?

[true palm]

the nosk grub doesn't have a skip but if you're talking about the one below zote you can't hit them through the floor no

same with the rest of the grubs

[snow dome]

There's a skip to nosk grub that uses dash and Claw

Which I believe is possible, yes.

[true palm]

oh ye if you're talking about just getting to the grub most of the rando skips are still a thing

[orchid verge]

if you're doing AMG can you do the glitches on the switch or does it have to be on the PC?

(considering learning some of the glitches and want to know if i can practice on my switch and then do it on the PC like I do with speedrunning celeste)

[snow dome]

I assume by "AMG" you mean "AG"? (All Glitches)

[orchid verge]

yee

all major glitches

[snow dome]

In which case I think the biggest restrictions for glitched runs are that you can't downpatch to the patch with the most bugs, and for True Ending you need a mouse.

So the short answer is really "no".

[orchid verge]

good to know, I'll set up my PC then so i can start learning some of the glitches instead of my switch then

[snow dome]

There's probably some stuff you can do, but you won't be able to do the same stuff.

True Ending AG is supposed to be really good as a starting category.

[fickle walrus]

How do console players record their speedruns? I'm on ps5 and it has a built in recording feature, but it records an hour of footage max. But I've seen speedruns that are over an hour and 3 hours long on ps5 and console in general. Any ideas on what I should do?

[steady lynx]

Using only the console with an online connection streaming the gameplay to twitch would be an option

Alternatively using a capture card and recording the run with a pc would work

[fickle walrus]

Yeah im only on console. And then I could save that stream forever right? Because my understanding of twitch is that after you've streamed, that video disappears after a few days/weeks. Because I think one of the requirements for the leaderboard is that your video evidence is permanently available for viewing?

[twin swallow]

if you create a highlight of the run, it will remain after the actual vod expires

you could also download the vod from twitch onto a pc and then upload to youtube or similar

[fickle walrus]

Ah I see. Thanks

[marsh flame]

thanks

[marsh flame]

thanks

[oak wave]

Hey, quick question, is their a way for livesplit to autostart the counter ?

I setted up the autosplit, but I don't know if we can "autostart" it

their is a "start triggering autosplit" but I don't know which trigger I should put

[twin swallow]

livesplit will start automatically when you load into king's pass

[oak wave]

Hm strange it does'nt. I read that I should start livesplit after hollow knight, but it won't start either

[twin swallow]

is your autosplitter activated and have you added splits?

[oak wave]

Yep

Okay nevermind it started !

Don't know why it didnt in my previous attempts tho

[twin swallow]

as long as it works that's good 🥳

sometimes it just needs a close and re-open

[haughty zodiac]

Why is a mouse needed for true ending?

[jagged vault]

Mouse is needed to perform Main Menu Storage, which is the primary glitch used in All Glitches speedruns

[wary briar]

is the fireball skip in greenpath that important? i cant do it

[steady lynx]

You can just pogo the squit for the most important one

[wary briar]

ok

[bronze sky]

Not getting a clear answer from Google, is the fungal wastes pogo bomb skip possible on switch?

[twin swallow]

Yes, but you need a different set-up to the regular one to do it

Try this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM

[bronze sky]

Ah thanks a I appreciate it

[twin swallow]

[slow spire]

Will downpatching to 1.2.2.1 affect my current patch save files?

[steady lynx]

It shouldn't, just don't try to load them, if you're worried just make backups

[slow spire]

Yep

Ok

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[steady lynx]

?saves

[kindred halo]

NEW PB LESS GO

[kindred halo]

1st competitve run

fun

[oak wave]

Are these kind of mod allowed : https://github.com/underlein/HollowKnight.SpeedrunMod ?

I guess it's not, but the RNG change look really cool

[steady lynx]

No mods are allowed on main or meme boards at all

[snow dome]

When that was still under development there was discussion about "speedrun mod" as a category, but underlein dropped the project (and seemingly HK) at least for the moment.

Eventually it might get all sorted and we'll get one.

[latent fjord]

cant wait for silksong speedruns on the first month where theres like a million bugs and people are teleporting from room to room

[topaz canyon]

why people dont menu drop at the breaking floor at the start of the game

[stuck raptor]

Horizontal movement matters more there

And is faster if you happen to not get the hardfall

[topaz canyon]

when you downpatch the game loses content or just bugfixes?

[stuck raptor]

Depends

[dull bay]

ori speedruns rn

[cunning basin]

I need help doing spike tunneling

Is it better to do pogo to spell to dash or spell to pogo to dash

nvm I did it

[fleet delta]

looking for some livesplit help,, the timer is turning green on starting a new run, but it isnt actually timing anything,, any ideas?

[twin swallow]

do you have any autosplits?

[fleet delta]

nope, the timer just stays at 0.00 when loading into a run

[twin swallow]

https://hyperion.s-ul.eu/GFYjCWoQ.png these

in edit splits > settings

[fleet delta]

i could set them up now but it wouldnt make a difference right now, loading into the game and running kings pass just leaves the timer at 0.00

the timer isnt running

its like igt is stuck

[digital jewel]

yes that's because you don't have any

[twin swallow]

premade splits can be downloaded from https://hksplitmaker.com/

[fleet delta]

you guys are smarter than me , i rlly didnt think that would make a difference thanks for your help 🖤

[twin swallow]

you are very welcome \o/

[paper bone]

Hello! Is there a way of getting to the city of tears if you skip the false knight fight and don't get the city's crest?

[knotty vigil]

you can enter from resting grounds

resting grounds you can either come from crystal peaks with lantern or shade skipping from salubra

or you can get tram pass from deepnest and use that to get to resting grounds from crossroads

then you take the elevator down

[paper bone]

Oh awesome! Thank you!

[vagrant warren]

the resting grounds elevator isn't accessible if you come from the tram unless you have dive (which you won't if you haven't come from city yet), or unless you've alredy come thru Blue Lake to open the lever under Xero. But tram can still get you to city via Kingdom's Edge.

[strong vessel]

Tram can also get you to city from ancient basin

[dull bay]

Wha

Resting grounds shade skip tho

O wait from tram

Didn't see that

[vagrant warren]

Also true, too many randos with wings rather than claw made me forget about that route LOL

[rough trench]

In every run i've done i've used shade skip

[dull bay]

It's a classy skip

[rough trench]

i just got used to it

[dull bay]

Are there even any routes that don't use salubra shade skip

[vagrant warren]

106 & 112 both enter via City Crest gate. There are probably a handful of other categories as well

and anything that's run in steel soul of course

[dull bay]

Fair enough

[dull bay]

Ig this makes sense. Interesting to know, I usually just run any and true

[thin peak]

I speedran the game in 13 hours I’m not proud -\ (^.^)/-

[pallid otter]

Bro I have like 10 hours on my first playthrough and only just found the collesuem

[thin peak]

I’m in the coliseum Rn

Plus this is my second play through

And last time I played was like a year ago

So

•—•

[jovial mountain]

any% steel soul and other runs that need tram pass all don't do the shade skip (ping bc conversation was a few hours ago)

[balmy orchid]

There are only 3 routes to City of Tears:

1. City Crest gate
2. shade skip
3. tram
   (You can enter Resting Ground from Crystal Peak, but need dive to enter City of Tears there.)

[vital geyser]

Nah you could grind lantern

[snow dome]

How does lantern give you city?

Lantern only opens up the things, I believe; peaks without Dive, No Eyes, and a Dream Tree.

[analog monolith]

lantern doesnt give city w/o dive unfortunately

[analog monolith]

which dream tree 👀

[snow dome]

I was banking on Deepnest

But I've no idea if you can activate it without Lantern or not.

I made a judgment call based on No Eyes

[restive forum]

my livesplit doesn't automatically start

when i start the run

this is my version

anybody here?

[twin swallow]

is the autosplitter activated and do you have autosplits set up?

[restive forum]

how do I check?

[twin swallow]

If you right clivk livesplit > edit splits, above your splits and times, check for a box that should say either Activate or Deactivate

[restive forum]

this good?

[twin swallow]

Activated, good. Now click the Settings button and check it gives you something like this https://hyperion.s-ul.eu/GFYjCWoQ.png

[twin swallow]

also good...

are you starting livesplit before starting hk?

[restive forum]

yes

[twin swallow]

try starting hk first

[restive forum]

alright

one more thing

i can't get live split to popup while on fulscreen

mode on hk

[restive forum]

still doesn't start

[twin swallow]

does the time turn green but just not count up? or does it not even do that?