Getting fury is like >20s
#speedrunning
normal aspen
wanton cedar
But i saw a path of pain TAS ignore the fireborn skip so...
I can't trust TAS blindly either...
Hmmm
It seems i will have to think hard about this...
How is this going?
normal aspen
Idk, think they r up to uumuu
wanton cedar
How much time they saved so far?
normal aspen
Idk, they can't use l8vesplit with it coz the libtas build is Linux only
normal aspen
Record it, with a phone is f8ne as long as u can see the screen clearly and hear game audio
snow dome
Just FWIW about the Fury thing:
From my general look at it, you are approximately 21s behind before Watcher Knights. Assuming we get into Fury for free, you could save maybe 10-15s on this fight Vs Pest's wr fight, as an example. That puts us 6-11s behind still. On Uumuu you two cycle slightly faster, so save 1-2s. We're now let's say 5-10s behind. You now have to do QG -> Herrah overcharmed, which has three intentional damage tanks. You cannot bench to remove Fury, and healing the two damage from thorns hazard warp will take approximately 1.5s (I think?) + collecting an extra six soul. Let's be generous and say that adds 3s onto our time. You now cannot take any damage anywhere else from Monomon to Herrah. After that, you need to save around 10+s in the Hollow Knight fight.
This does sound doable. If the wr run, and perhaps even some of the runs that are behind it, are getting to the point where they simply cannot save time anymore at all, this strat might be actually correct to go for it, but if you take any unintentional damage at any point from killing Gorgeous Husk onwards you reset.
Pest is currently 40s behind ComSoB. I don't see Fury being able to save more time than even better execution, as excited as I am for the category to be declared fully dead because it's just unviable for most people to run the optional route, and we're counting ms at the top of the board.
short spire
10-15 seconds is way overestimating the timesave from fury wk
snow dome
I dunno the fight is like 57s long
And you swing that nail a hell of a lot. It's 12 extra damage per regular damage cycle on the first Knight alone
There's also probably a world where we simply don't get Shamans, like the current TAS route
short spire
no shaman is viable for the ismas tas because it gets nail1
spring maple
dream music intensifies once again
unkempt lagoon
to submit a run do you NEED to upload it to youtube first?
digital jewel
it needs to uploaded somewhere where the video is permanent
unkempt lagoon
ok thank you very much
quaint grove
But i saw a path of pain TAS ignore the fireborn skip so...
the tas does a skip which skips doing the fireborn thorn walk and its faster
its called thorn skip skip
elfin vortex
Yup. Its also the worst skip to ever exist 
you need to get the cycle really well and then theres the fact that even after multiple hours of attempting it from the spot tas does it/the wall. Afaik Its only been achieved once rta by accident (hence it wasnt recorded). Only saves like 0.5s too. There is a vid on yt of someone doing it in a reduced timescale but its with quickslash
knotty vigil
This is where Skurry discovered the grass-percent skip, a truly memorable moment in the history of Hollow Knight.
elfin vortex
Have you looked at fire and pests videos on them?
hearty adder
the only difference between 1221 and cp watchers is that your fireball doesn't hit them offscreen
also that they can't attack you from off-screen on cp
they'll walk into view before attacking you
other than that both tutorials work
the priority should be hitting them with the fireball, especially going for fireball doubles
it's hard to give more tips without seeing how you handle the fight
haughty fossil
(if you're on 1.5 there is a difference, but i would highly recommend just being on 1.4)
knotty vigil
How would I go about trying to create a Hollow Knight TAS? Are there any specific public tools for TASing Hollow Knight I could use?
digital jewel
there's currently two fullgame TAS I know of being worked on. both any% with the crystal heart route and with the isma's route respectively
there's a TAS development server. I'm not sure if it's public @velvet copper
formal bough
dmed an invite to tascord
digital jewel
oh nice
velvet copper
knotty vigil
Thank you so much!
velvet copper
here's an invite, anybody can feel free to join!
harsh karma
Hey can i get the blue icon too? THX in advance
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/me77w23y
exotic bough
so quick question whats going to happen with the Any% NMG Current Patch leaderboard with the new patch?
hearty adder
Current Patch applies to 1.4+ patches
exotic bough
oh ok
thanks
so i didn't have to use the new patch for the run I just did 🤔
well dang... o well
one more question... has anyone else noticed it being harder to do the acid skip to Monomon? on the new patch
strong vessel
Nope, it should be the exact same
Probably just input handling and how the game runs
vital geyser
did you shade skip into mantis village or are you a god?
steady lynx
The cp dashless epogo is impossible, I swear
pearl sparrow
Shade skip is necessary for me because I can barely do the cp epogo with dash and without the fireball strat
devout vortex
How hard is the greenpath fireball skip to hornet? And is it still possible in patch 1.4?
oblique dagger
not too bad, done it in 1.4.3.2
got it first try after watching it, but messed it up a few times after.
So long as you're good at quickly turning and shooting, it's alright
Just make sure you're using quick cast
And yeah, just make sure its a good jump at the edge of the ledge before you commit to wasting soul on a try that wasn't ever going to work
vital geyser
Shade skip is necessary for me because I can barely do the cp epogo with dash an...
my general rule for newcomers is this:
Kill bosses first try -> MAJOR skips -> kill bosses fast -> minor skips -> movement
this is important
because the first fireball skip only saves ~10 seconds
the second one saves basically nothing if you do the back up
steady lynx
Dudepogo also looks cool so no downside to the backup on the 2nd one
vital geyser
basically ignore these optional skips if your time is over 40 minutes on CP PC. and dont even touch things like inventory drops and super tight movement if you arent going for a competitive time
steady lynx
Or is that the 3rd one on 1221?
vital geyser
Or is that the 3rd one on 1221?
i dont think its 100% consistent on 1221
steady lynx
On 1.3+ the backup on the last one is consistent at least
I don't think I've ever done the last one in a finished run
pearl sparrow
my general rule for newcomers is this:
Kill bosses first try -> MAJOR skips -> k...
Nah I'm not a newcomer I have a 50:44 any% igt on switch but Idk the exact time I really should start timing and recording runs
Thanks tho
vital geyser
my bad for the misunderstanding. record runs whenever you want. its a personal journey and many dont record and submit at all.
pearl sparrow
I'm not sure how i will set up my phone to record
My TV is in front of the back of my bed which will make it harder to find a good recording spot
And glare might be an issue
I have to find some way tho especially since i am working on going for switch any% wr
reef nexus
i just downloaded the hk 1.2.2.1 from the DepotDownloader
how does it work with the saves?
fair island
Saves are common between all versions so don't open 1432 saves in 1221
reef nexus
makes sense
reef nexus
i still have few questions
now i want to get the debug mod
so i can practice skips
but idk how to do that on 1.2.2.1
edgy kiln
sub 33
fair island
now i want to get the debug mod
First add this file into hollow_knight_Data/Managed
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835911691703156746/Assembly-CSharp.dll
Then run the game and see on top left whether modding api appears
Then go to Hollow_knight_Data/Managed/Mods and add this file
https://github.com/cerpintext/DebugMod/releases/download/1.4.3/DebugMod.dll
reef nexus
and when i want to remove it what do i do?
fair island
Copy the existing Assembly Csharp in the managed folder and place it somewhere else
If you want modded add the assembly c-sharp linked above
If you want normal replace the assembly c-sharp with the one you copied
snow dome
One thing you can do is rename your old one to have ".vanilla" on the end and leave it in that folder.
Then when you swap put ".modded" at the end of the modded one and change the name of the vanilla one to its regular name
wary star
i'm learning the any% nmg route as my first speedrun and the watcher knight are kind of shit that's so hard
reef nexus
i'm learning the any% nmg route as my first speedrun and the watcher knight are ...
yeah the only thing i can recommend is trying to get as many vs hits as possible when they are rolling away so it double and sometimes triple hits
steady lynx
I have to find some way tho especially since i am working on going for switch an...
Will you be the one to finally push the sub 47 then?
sick ravenBOT
You joined Speedrun Racer.
knotty vigil
how fast is any% ismas route the fastest way?
jagged vault
This is currently unknown
knotty vigil
ok thx
normal aspen
probably about 20s slower imo
knotty vigil
is dream gate storage a major glitch?
normal aspen
Yes
timber trout
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
pearl sparrow
Will you be the one to finally push the sub 47 then?
I think the possible limit is probably around high 45
My pbs are kinda slow for now because I'm not running any% for now
And I usually die to qga because my controller has delay so i use another controller specifically for qga
Still pretty hard
My early game is about 20-30s slower than wr idk where i go wrong
lunar kayak
I think I found a glitch
This has happened multiple times to me also
On current patch
elfin vortex
It just happens sometimes. I think you get the extra wall jump from something wcs (wall cling storage) related but its wierd on cp
Afaik Dont think we 100% know what causes them on cp tho. On 1221/older patches wcs is pretty broken and can be used anywhere with a ledge.
Someone correct me if im wrong
formal bough
I mean that's definately wcs, we don't understand yet why the random wcs occurs (if I had to spitball an idea (that's definately wrong) it would be that you leave the wall at the same time as you dash and then add 
🍝 to the mix and boom)
snow dome
Yeah, that's exactly it
If you slide of a wall and don't dash or jump or whatever, you can store it. Using Cyclone has been shown to be the most consistent way of storing it
wanton cedar
I have a suggestion for better keybinds:
Doing this you can point down with your thumb without moving any finger out of any key, decreasing the risk of mistakes and improving reaction times.
This should also be better compared to an analog since analog requires more movement to alternate between two opposite directions.
digital jewel
most people use two hands
wanton cedar
The other hand would be used to jump, attack, spell and so on.
At least on HK.
It should also be more ergonomic judging by the typist playbook since your only moves your fingers.
digital jewel
alright. I don't really understand what problem this is solving then
wanton cedar
Thus means more stamina.
elfin vortex
Keybind preference varies greatly from person to person like how I dont play kb but im shit at default binds and decent with wasd, brackets layout but it seems interesting. May work for you but not for others. Also socd cleaner lets you override horizontal directions like how it works on controller with how dpad overrides joystick
wanton cedar
Well of course there is a subjective layer.
But i am ofering object justifications for the choice.
Let's say you want to pogo.
It takes longer to move the finger down and press and then return to the resting position.
If you use the same finger for both up and down input.
Using your thumbs makes all inputs just presses.
digital jewel
this game doesn't require switching between up and down presses frequently
elfin vortex
But thats not really an issue as xero said. No offence
wanton cedar
Well, it is a slight improvement.
It can be also applied for other games.
Like binding of isaac.
Albeit it is not relevant here.
digital jewel
at least for me as well, my fingers are a little more responsive than my thumbs
elfin vortex
Yeah but then consider how on controller using dpad/joystick you can just nudge/flick it where you want to
It doesnt really solve anything
wanton cedar
Analogs have this issue.
Flicking back and forth always takes longer for me.
on keyboard i alternate way faster.
More responsive movement.
And since it takes time to vhange direction timing a spell gets harder too.
Since you have to press it only after the analog completed the move.
Well, if anyone wanna try i rest my case.
elfin vortex
Maybe. For dpad however I literally dont even need to move my thumb. Just lean my thumb one way. Ofc this is a kb related thing but point is that while efficiency may matter for other speed games, it really isnt a worry for hk and if you want optimal inputs then idk controllers kinda nice lmao
digital jewel
on controller you can use dpad and analog simultaneously to guarantee instant direction change, but it's also not necessary anywhere and rarely used
wanton cedar
I tried it on FPS but the keyboard layout make it far more difficult with the left hand.
D pad requires you to move your finger.
Not just press down.
Still slower than having a dedicated finger for each direction.
digital jewel
dpad works like a paddle. you apply constant pressure and just roll your thumb slightly to change direction
elfin vortex
? I just tilt my finger the way I want on dpad lol and it works fine
wanton cedar
Instead of just being an up and down issue on an ipad you have one finger for all directions.
elfin vortex
Which is what you have with dpad 
jokes aside while it may technically be more ergonomic, it wont help players, speedrunning-wise
Since inputs are inputs and no one really has a problem with speed of directional changes
wanton cedar
Well, i think this raises the skill cap.
If a game was to ramp up the intensity much higher.
digital jewel
hollow knight is not a high intensity game at all. the apm is extremely low
elfin vortex
Look take PoP runs for example. Directional changes arent the most important thing even in a movement intense cat (esp in last room where most just keep the directions as down+right without changing it) and the button that matters most is jump so yeah directions dont matter too much in hk
elfin vortex
Or bullet hell.
Yeah thats a better idea
elfin vortex
Soz lol. I just edit stuff to make more sense
wanton cedar
Albeit something bothers me with the fact the thumb resting position is not directly down.
I would try using my palm to press down but not a good solution.
For fine control.
stuck raptor
use palms to press all buttons. ez
wanton cedar
Lmao.
elfin vortex
Lmao fine control does not exist in hk prove me wrong 
Tap right for as little time as possible in hk and you'll probs move more than you'd like. other games like you said have far better applications for this layout
wanton cedar
Agreed.
Like.
When i wanna literally stay in the exact same place and just change directions.
stuck raptor
HK is more input intensive than stepmania, change my mind 
elfin vortex
Mhm. Quick cast is amazing tbh once you start using it
And focus just ends up being the healing button
elfin vortex
Agreed
wanton cedar
I would try that directional idea on FPSs but alt is too close to the windows button.
Scary.
haughty fossil
a lot of keyboards have settings to disable windows key 
onyx elbow
Has anyone ever tried a hunter's mark speedrun
onyx elbow
Mhm. Quick cast is amazing tbh once you start using it
is this why I kept failing the fireball skips
because wow I could not nearly press as fast as needed to do the spell
stark birch
Has anyone ever tried a hunter's mark speedrun
no one has been interested in running hunter's mark from a fresh file; however, hunters mark is an achievement, so cleaning up hunters journal is at the end of the All Achievements speedrun
onyx elbow
simple osprey
I was practicing shade skip for any% and I was spamming inventory after dying to equip shaman stone and then the shades music didn't play. Is that related to a major glitch that would disqualify the run like early control or anything?
hearty adder
iirc dying with inventory open gives you early control
hearty adder
As far as I know then it should be fine, but I'm gonna let someone else answer that just in case
If you spam too much you might end up opening and closing inventory anyways
simple osprey
Ok thanks anyway
snow dome
You should be good if it's just an audio glitch
wanton cedar
a lot of keyboards have settings to disable windows key <:feelspkman:63963644282...
Mine doesn't because i am poor.
Peak gaming.
strong vessel
Beautiful layout
Is that even enough keys?
Yeah, it'd need two more, three if you need to quick map
hearty adder
Swapping layers in the middle of a run would probably be uncomfy
hearty adder
Really nice for a first timed run, gg 
pearl sparrow
I can save like 2m fairly easy
steady lynx
I think the possible limit is probably around high 45
If you can do everything right, 2 cycle Uumuu and do THK efficiently enough a 45 is very possible
Though it'd require QG route as well
steady lynx
It is
pearl sparrow
No fury?
pearl sparrow
I was gonna say it would be incredibly unreasonable to do in a run
steady lynx
It's the most recent pin in #any-percent-nmg
pearl sparrow
Cool for practice but doing it in a run would probably never happen
steady lynx
Not likely but I think doing it would almost be required for a 45
My own SoB on switch any% is a 46:15 even but I haven't done many runs
steady lynx
I wanna get actually good at True Ending before I bother with any% and low% though
pearl sparrow
My own SoB on switch any% is a 46:15 even but I haven't done many runs
The wr holder has a 39:55 SoB
I'm pretty sure
steady lynx
Trombon?
pearl sparrow
Yeah
steady lynx
His SoB is hilariously fake due to some weird splits
pearl sparrow
Yeah it looked kinda weird
steady lynx
I think his cheart gold is like 2 seconds
pearl sparrow
You can't possibly save that much time
steady lynx
If you want to push a 45 I wish you good luck though
I wanna get PS4 any% to a 46:30 eventually at least
As long as PS4 gets faster than switch in every category
pearl sparrow
I want to leave a mark on the any% community for switch so i will probably push it but maybe not that far
median gull
Cool for practice but doing it in a run would probably never happen
deaBaby already goes for it and it's on their pb
pearl sparrow
Insane
pastel verge
y did u @ the mods?
steady lynx
Some bot posted a mischievous link
steady lynx
They deleted it
pastel verge
good
steady lynx
An account which probably got hacked, claiming to give away free CS.GO stuff
pastel verge
lol
steady lynx
Click the link and get hacked basically
steady lynx
No idea, been happening a lot lately
steady lynx
Not really much to do than just @ mods whenever it happens for now, even though it may disturb them, though they did sign up for it
formal bough
streancommunity.ru, legit link right there
balmy flame
You guys said you could kill the watcher knights before entering the arena, yes? How do I do that?
formal bough
you can kill one of them by going up to the chandelier
knotty vigil
is text bar storage a major glitch?
normal aspen
Yes
placid surge
Hello I don't know if this is a known glitch or not but this happened when I was trying to speedrun the game then raged at Uumuu
normal aspen
yeah thats slow fall. Hard to tell how u got it without a clip starting earlier but it is a known thing
plush light
untold sigil
idea: QGA low% (not the acid skip but the aluba)
yes this does require dashless reverse mask maker area why do you ask
vital geyser
Cool for practice but doing it in a run would probably never happen
i did it on stream xD
so actually 2 people have done it already
placid surge
2 questions
1 is there a consistent/known way to do the slow fall glitch
2 is it considered a major glitch
?
hearty adder
idea: QGA low% (not the acid skip but the aluba)
I think there's been talk about low% al2ba before, but I don't personally know if anyone's run it
pearl sparrow
2 questions
1 is there a consistent/known way to do the slow fall glitch
2 is i...
Inventory skipping certain bosses can sometimes give you it and yes I would assume so
Certain bosses such as vengefly king and Oro and mato
strong vessel
I literally mentioned low% al2ba yesterday
hearty adder
well there you go 
strong vessel
But you need dash to get the first
So it's just normal al2ba
I wish the second aluba didn't require something to actually kill it so low% a1uba would get the second and not the first
But they both require 4%
pearl sparrow
Is it technically possible to beat the game without claw because I'm pretty sure you can get wings without it
There is only 1 room that causes a problem past the basin shade skip
steady lynx
You can't get wings without claw in a NMG restriction
Neither can you finish the game without claw in NMG
pearl sparrow
What restricts it tho to get it clawless
steady lynx
One jump in the room with wings
If you somehow manage to die in there it's possible
For finishing the game
You can't get to Monomon or Lurien
pearl sparrow
You can't die past the first shade skip because you can't get back
Actually nvm it's impossible
No wall to c dash from under uumuu
hearty adder
Is it technically possible to beat the game without claw because I'm pretty sure...
You're just one single jump away from wings, there's nothing to pogo off of that can get you up enough to reach the pickup
pearl sparrow
Wk has too high of a wall
steady lynx
It was theorized to maybe warp one of the digging boys from deepnest into the wings room using a Dreamgate
pearl sparrow
What is the jump tho
snow dome
The last jump before you actually collect wings
strong vessel
It was theorized to maybe warp one of the digging boys from deepnest into the wi...
That is CURSED
snow dome
Your best method would be to bench in hot springs, then travel to the room, Gate, then S/q back.
pearl sparrow
Oh I see the jump
snow dome
And just do that over and over until it just happens
pearl sparrow
Is it possible to warp any enemy?
steady lynx
Only them
snow dome
If somebody looked into the mechanics of how that worked then it could be didn't doable
pearl sparrow
I think it could be possible with a dirtcarver
snow dome
You would then need to do a pretty precise Pogo, I think
steady lynx
You'd not even use the digging enemy to get up there, you'd just let it kill you and shade skip
snow dome
Oh yeah, of course
pearl sparrow
But how do you come back
snow dome
So we know where the shade would spawn?
steady lynx
Dreamgate
pearl sparrow
Right
snow dome
Clawless dream gate
steady lynx
No idea, can someone go there with debug and press the kill self button?
pearl sparrow
Now the question is can you get 800 essence no claw
strong vessel
Yes
snow dome
900
strong vessel
900, and it's been done
steady lynx
clawless shade cloak
pearl sparrow
Actually yes you can get infinite essence
snow dome
It's just fucking annoying
strong vessel
You can get 900 essence with just lantern
pearl sparrow
Birds 
snow dome
I mean no
strong vessel
Or worse, low% seer ascension
steady lynx
low% Seer Ascension should never ever be attempted
snow dome
You have to do all the worst fights
steady lynx
It's like a 70 hour run
pearl sparrow
clawless shade cloak
Impossible to get out of the first room before the abyss tho
After coming up
strong vessel
Low% seer ascension is geo farming for lantern, dream nail, then farming Crossroads enemies until you get 2400 essence
hearty adder
Impossible to get out of the first room before the abyss tho
the point is to just get shade cloak, not to actually get out
pearl sparrow
Yeah
strong vessel
It's been done
steady lynx
max% clawless is the true max level of stupid hard tricks
pearl sparrow
What is the max % you can get clawless
steady lynx
I think like 60 something
pearl sparrow
Decent
pearl sparrow
I don't think you can navigate waterways
strong vessel
Can you get dive?
steady lynx
There are so many shade skips
pearl sparrow
To pogo
strong vessel
The room immediately after Soul Master is impossible, no?
steady lynx
Soul Master would be done after dgate
pearl sparrow
Yeah it's impossible
snow dome
Yeah you have to gate out
strong vessel
Let's just find some more skips so we can have clawless nice%
strong vessel
Oh, makes sense
Softlock% is a beautiful category
GH shade skip then bench in basin
steady lynx
Truly a wonderful category
snow dome
I mean no
steady lynx
When I used to sell used Pokemon games I liked softlocking them just to annoy the next owner
snow dome
Low% TE is obviously silly by at least has a point
strong vessel
Low% seer ascension too
steady lynx
Max hunter's journal is a potential category
strong vessel
Nobody would run that though
steady lynx
Includes fun stuff like having to do all bindings at least once each
pearl sparrow
50000essencelow%, so you probably spend more hours farming birds than you have on the game
steady lynx
You can't even get to the birds low% essence
strong vessel
You need to kill about 15,000,000 Crossroads enemies with nothing but nail
steady lynx
I'd get tired after like three
pearl sparrow
I would get tired after 1 grinding crossroads or essence in general is terrible
steady lynx
I think optimal strat would be just killing the same two aspids over and over
The ones next to the grub above the stag
strong vessel
Do they respawn?
When you leave the room
Otherwise there are 50 million tiktiks and crawlids in the vengefly grub room
steady lynx
Yeah
strong vessel
Or you could do gruzzer room
steady lynx
But the aspids are close to the load
pearl sparrow
Why not
strong vessel
Are we planning on running low% seer ascension
pearl sparrow
Peak gaming
steady lynx
I like theorycrafting runs nobody will ever do
steady lynx
I'd rather do this than run console low%
pearl sparrow
Dashless epogo on switch is nearly impossible but it would save like 1m
steady lynx
I already have three of the PS4 rekkies, might as well go for all six five
dire oasis
anyone got the link to the sr discord
strong vessel
It’s on speedrun.com
wide crescent
where i can find informations about vys got banned from the tournament
elfin vortex
Well I think fire wrote up a doc on it but idk where to find it
wide crescent
thank you
crystal yoke
strong vessel
What's the objective?
fringe falcon
What are the things that make his shop open?
pearl sparrow
How
You need vs to do shade skip no items
Yeah the longnail strat
Hk without vs is possible but super hard
I think so because Idk if you can get into sanctum without him leaving
What would the dirtcarver be used for
Claw replacement?
And how can you get dreamgate before cornifer leaves
Well crossroads enemies ig
normal aspen
how u gonna use dgate in beasts den my guy
it doesnt work
also ur like straight up not getting monomon
pearl sparrow
There is 1 spot in beasts den that i don't think dirtcarver will work and multiple that seem not very possible
normal aspen
yeah and how are u getting up
normal aspen
how are you getting from the acid pool up to monomon
its not happening w/o claw
up
not acrtoss
i mean then its just low% ab
unless cdash moves hi on too
to get claw u would go thru watyerways
but yeah it moves cornnifer anyway
pearl sparrow
No
normal aspen
if ur using major glitches then just use better glitches lol
why do u need a dreamer for claw
just do low ab to claw
bro low ab doesnt get vs
pearl sparrow
But you can use longnail
normal aspen
extra mask > shade skip to blue lake > series fo shade skips thru waterways to bretta bnch > claw
its like 5 shade skips its pretty fucked
formal wyvern
||hello, i 've a question, it's still possible to do the queen's station/fog canyon acid skip?||
formal wyvern
ok ty
pure belfry
any tip for the setup?
pure belfry
any tip for the setup?
for the queen's station acid skip*
hearty adder
||hello, i 've a question, it's still possible to do the queen's station/fog can...
no need to spoiler here, btw
hearty adder
for the queen's station acid skip*
Really practice the timing for the cdash on the wall above the acid pool, it's really easy to accidentally press cdash before actually touching the wall
some people find it easier to cancel the cdash and then dash-jump on the wall on the other side, other people prefer to just collide with the wall and jump, that one's more up to you
pure belfry
ty
pearl sparrow
Getting the timing down for colliding with the wall is pretty hard but sometimes it's your only choice if you are far down in the acid
And it's possible to be too far down in the acid that you can't jump out
gritty stag
do yall know how to find the speedrunning 'noteable points' list cuz i can't find it anywhere on google
like the one that updates in real time as you get stuff like mwc and claw
i can't find it 
hearty adder
The livesplit and autosplitter guide are in the pins 
gritty stag
ty
thick heart
I'm doing the speedrun 1 acheivement, is there anything I DONT really need to beat the game (I.E, soul master/d-dive)
short spire
<@&283547423706447872>
rich karma
🙏
uneven urchin
what TAS speedruns are there?
snow dome
I'm doing the speedrun 1 acheivement, is there anything I DONT really need to be...
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snow dome
what TAS speedruns are there?
Currently no full runs, but there is work being done on one at the moment, and you can find some videos for individual sections like Hornet and King's Pass. I believe they were up to Uumuu
snow dome
There is a TAS discord that somebody might've linked to here. Check the searchbar and see what you can find
shell oak
hmm,did we have a vid to guide about fireball skip
quartz moat
anyone know how to get speedrun mod?
fair island
tacit rose
Hello <@&284848710960021504> ! I have had my run accepted (https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zq17w58m), may I please get a speedrunner role?
hearty adder
Just so you know, the community has moved on to its own server - so while you can still get the blue role, nobody's really using the speedrunning channels anymore
tacit rose
good to know, thank you!
formal bough
(the new server can be found on the speedrun.com page)
elfin vortex
hmm,did we have a vid to guide about fireball skip
Check fireb0rns vid guide as he covers it or check the any% guide on speedrun.com if you prefer text. Make sure your using quick cast as its impossible with cast/focus
strong vessel
I mean, any timesave you can get is timesave
hearty adder
The greenpath fireball skips are some of the more simple skips to learn, no reason to procastinate on learning them
elfin vortex
Dont lose much from attempting it even if ur bad at them since they have backups
So why not
stuck raptor
<@&283547423706447872>
plucky moss
tyty
unkempt lagoon
ty
lunar dagger
not really active at all in hk speedrunning so hi, but also does this look accurate at all?
knotty vigil
normal aspen
A lot of the older times are off by about a second and a half the to a retime that happened, but they are correct for at the time
lunar dagger
Cool
pulsar lava
im not even gonna try to speedrun no more dreams ending
weary root
I believe the timer was pausing for a small amount of time when hazzard respawning. That pause was removed and so every old run was retimed to add that time back in to be fair to future runs
normal aspen
It was like a year ago
normal aspen
im mean you've been here for what a week? Its natural other ppl are gonna be more knowledgeable about the games history when they were there for it
short spire
not really active at all in hk speedrunning so hi, but also does this look accur...
fwiw i had an unrecorded run of 33:22 on october 7 2019
normal aspen
😤 nvnd
formal bough
#any-percent-nmg message he says in this convo its the second time, I couldn't find any comment about a pb that was the first time?
short spire
my first 33 was also unrecorded lol but that was just a regular pb
normal aspen
the swedish special: an unrecorded pb
hard verge
Hey everyone, does anyone from here knows how to set up the timer or auto-splitter for a PS4?
snow dome
You cannot use it for non-PC runs
For non-PC runs your time simply starts at the appropriate point (usually on mode select for full game categories) and then ends at the appropriate point. (When the screen fades to black on full game categories.)
Check the rules for your specific category on speedrun.com. Runs that are timed RTA (like this) don't require an on screen timer
ebon linden
Just started speedrunning this game and i have a couple questions. For the first Moss Knight in Greenpath I have seen that for the world record and stuff it gets activated sooner than when i do as normally i need to try and exit the other side before it wakes up. Also using the autosplitter what split should I use for the final end split?
steady lynx
If you slap it with the nail it wakes up sooner
ebon linden
ahh okay thanks
digital jewel
there isn't a final end split. it ends automatically when you reach the ending cutscene
ebon linden
Ok cool. I was just checking despite me not actually having finished a run due to the Watcher Knights lmao
solar coyote
watcher knights are the worst lmao
unkempt lagoon
depends what category
onyx rock
If i want to get into speedrunning, what's a good category
snow dome
Any% and All Skills are the two most suggested categories for No Major Glitches
hearty adder
Usually any% or All Skills are recommended for beginners: any% is shorter, but has tougher boss fights due to optimally only having nail 0 and shamans Vengeful Spirit; All Skills is longer, but has easier boss fights, The biggest roadblock in any% is Watcher Knights, the biggest roadblock in All Skills is Hornet2
but honestly you can start wherever you want; just head to the pages for Hollow Knight and Hollow Knight Category Extensions and see if you like any
snow dome
Any% has no hard required difficult skips, whereas All Skills has the Isma's Tear section, which can be a bit of a wall.
I've never seen anybody do an alternative route for All Skills like there is to avoid Queens Gardens Acid skip (QGA) for any%.
onyx rock
I'll look at both and try to run one. Thanks
snow dome
The upside of the hardest part of All Skills is that you learn it once and you know it. With Any% Watcher Knights and Hollow Knight you need to know all sorts of stuff to react to on the fly.
Which in itself might be what you find fun.
solar coyote
throwback to the time i was going for under 5 hours and lost 2 and a half hours to watcher knights
strong vessel
Also, people never recommend them, but some meme categories are excellent for beginners (especially the shorter ones)
They can serve as a great introduction to speedrunning
4 mask shards is pretty much the short category
Quack always recommends NKG%, which is a very heavily movement-based run (but with the obvious roadblock of NKG without wings or shade cloak). It is also a bit long, but not that much longer than All Skills
3 vessel fragments is a short category that does get claw, so it can serve as practice for the early game of longer categories. It's also super easy and movement-based, so there are no real roadblocks
A slightly longer movement-based category is Myla%, which gets cdash, so you can practice crystal peak in addition to the stuff up to claw
There are so many meme categories, you can just choose one you think looks cool and run it
snow dome
3VF was hella fun
strong vessel
There's also Aluba%, which is super short and good practice for the ultra early game (up to mothwing cloak)
Yep
snow dome
106/112
strong vessel
All Dream Bosses
snow dome
Probably 100% I would some but nobody plays that
Honestly there's a category for like everything
strong vessel
There's a category for basically everything reasonable
strong vessel
Has anybody ever gotten the fungal core flame, like ever
I never got it in my casual playthroughs
hearty adder
I remember trying to get the fungal core one, giving up, and getting the free one from brumm instead
snow dome
I honestly didn't know that the Brumm one counted in my play through
I vaguely remember getting all 4
strong vessel
Why not?
You need wings then
Well then you're going to have to get tram pass eventually
strong vessel
Yes, exactly
blazing pivot
I've never seen anybody do an alternative route for All Skills like there is to ...
What i ended up doing when i started all skills was to get simple key below city storerooms after quit out from crystal peaks. Then after lurien, going down to waterways to kill DD and hit lever for access to grove. waterways takes no time to navigate, and with desceding dark, the DD fight is pretty quick. This is how i was able to at least practice full runs for a while so i didnt get roadblocked by having to practice Isma skip
snow dome
What i ended up doing when i started all skills was to get simple key below city...
I was wondering if there was an easy Key to get
vital geyser
#speedrunning has devolved to offtopic
harsh karma
Hey can i get the blue icon too? THX in advance
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/me77w23y
vital geyser
that QGA tho 
unkempt lagoon
so this is what a hollow knight fight looks like with more than 20 fps
unkempt lagoon
What's a speedrunner's favourite element?
||Lead||
azure swift
i think using sprintmaster is a viable option for pantheon speedruns, since it gets you to the bosses faster and its better than the other options, at least for p1
wicked trench
What's a speedrunner's favourite element?
||Lead||
Darkness, so we can't see our bad runs
BTW, this channel isn't a meme one, so pls keep it speedrun related :)
azure swift
like i just tried with sprintmaster and it seems to work better than defenders crest, since crest does basically nothing compared to fury + strength
spare beacon
In true ending speedruns (any%) is there a way to skip the shade skip and find another way to get essence?
I find myself spending way too much time trying it for 10 minutes
stuck raptor
sounds like that's a skip you should spend some time practicing then
stuck raptor
the jumps and your positioning should put it in a repeatable spot every time
spare beacon
Mm
But also I feel like I pogo and fireball too early, so I don’t get enough airtime
Or height
stuck raptor
sounds like you should just practice a bunch. and watch some other runner's videos to see how they are positioning
you might be doing something slightly different that's making it much harder for yourself
stuck raptor
changing your entire route because of a skip you can't quite get consistently yet sounds very counterproductive to me.
so with a bit of practice and recalibration of your strat, you should be able to get it more consistent
last inlet
for te shade skip, i'd specifically recommend looking at a) the height at which you damage boost into your shade and b) your timing on fireballs and pogos compared to successful attempts
digital jewel
you most likely want to fireball later after the pogo
if you fireball too early, you don't get the full height of your pogo
lusty wave
how does one get the speedrunner role?
slim geyser
Submit a run to Speedrun.Com (SRC), have it verified and then post the link here
though the speedrun community has moved to a new discord, most of the speedrun channels here will be archived and inactive soon
new discord is linked on Speedrun.com
lusty wave
okay
proud wolf
For getting to crystal peak, is it faster to get journals/seals for the lantern or to rush for d dive after defeating the watcher knights
digital jewel
lantern
sharp temple
has anyone tried invincibility percent?
digital jewel
can you explain what that is
void frost
how do you get live split to go on top of the game
stuck raptor
make your game windowed or windowed borderless
normal aspen
does bad invuln count lol
void frost
make your game windowed or windowed borderless
thx i was using the debug mod and it wouldnt let me un fullscreen but the normal game let me
digital jewel
you try to get the invincibility glitch as fast as you can
this doesn't sound very interesting at all
hidden fractal
for a time wizard you're not very knowledgeable
vital geyser
do you know how to do the glitch?
theres multiple ways iirc :3
normal aspen
its like a 40s run
vital geyser
i think chrono wants the dgate cdash version
fathom ibex
Hello, wanna know if the new patch changed something for the Any% NMG CP category or stayed the same route and glitches as in 1.4.3.2, thanks 
weary root
spore shroom is no longer as effective vs THK on 1.5 but otherwise they're pretty much the same. For "Current Patch" categories you can run on either
knotty vigil
is traitor lord duplication a major glitch?
knotty vigil
why are you duping traitor lord? <:ax2uM:718466252091293736>
the one that skurry did in low% te run
normal aspen
Do u have a clip?
snow dome
The one where you die just as Cloth appears, so that when you go back you fight traitor lord while there's a dead traitor lord on the floor?
knotty vigil
The one where you die just as Cloth appears, so that when you go back you fight ...
yes
snow dome
You don't get a second copy of cloth's ghost 😦
If you get extra % from it, it could impact a 1xx% run, though
cyan girder
So, I found that Watcher Knights, THK, and Uumuu are difficult bosses...
And lost the potential for personal best because of THK and Uumuu
(current patch)
snow dome
Uumuu is in fact the absolute worst boss in any game ever
cyan girder
I wouldn't go that far, but Uumuu does kinda suck
I can never time the dream nails correctly. I always get hit or miss the dreamnail.
sharp temple
i think chrono wants the dgate cdash version
yes
it's not easy tho
it can force you to crash your game if you don't do it correctly
normal aspen
that no offense sounds extremely arbitrary and like a horrible speedrun
sharp temple
well ur not wrong
but, you do need to get essence for the dream gate
cdash is the easy part tho
snow dome
You really don't
"Get this glitch in this specific manner" is just reducing the amount of stuff you can do, really.
Even for a meme category
Like, "clawless shade cloak" is also very specific, but has a bunch of really odd things in it. This is just "get 900 essence and C-Dash"
normal aspen
like if it was just "get invuln" thats at least a less arbitrary ruleset
snow dome
Dream Gate% might be a cool run? It's probably very similar to the opening of TE
You might not get Lost Kin if you can avoid Peaks entirely.
Most categories show off something about the game. A specific skip, or a boss fight. This category doesn't even show off the glitch. You get it but then don't use it.
strong vessel
Lost Kin is 100% worth it
Most essence in the game
You'd probably shade skip
(The other option is Tyrant but that's probably super slow)
Or too many warrior dreams
strong vessel
You'd probably shade skip
Though, getting the nail upgrade itself is a bit 🥴
Also no shade soul
Actually, is Tyrant even slower if you can get shade soul (on 1221) and would have to shade skip to Lost Kin?
vital geyser
it can force you to crash your game if you don't do it correctly
alright buddy. Heres why it would be a shitty run. Assuming you are doing this on current patch, invincibility is a major glitch. that means you are allowed to do OTHER major glitches. Simply do CP MMS with a godhome file and enter kings pass with every upgrade. then do the invincibility trick first try in the first area of kings pass. if you fail, reset. The only optimizations are doing everything first try.
and the trick isnt actuallyhard at all to do anyway. I got it within a few tries when i was still a casual player
do you understand why this is a bad category now?
its visually unimpressive, the tricks are easy, theres no room for creativity or optimization, and it lasts a minute or two
hearty adder
If you want a category that uses invincibility, though, I recommend Godhome Ending All Glitches
sharp temple
lol
sharp temple
alright buddy. Heres why it would be a shitty run. Assuming you are doing this o...
fuck you i was just trying to tell you what I find cool, now mind your buisnes
random pelican
Just gotta post this cause i am really proud
shut beacon
Hey, could anyone help me learn revekless
For te
And .... Is it different on cp or just the same?
last inlet
should be the same on cp
make sure you're not dashing into the wall too high and bonking on the ledge above, also practise getting the dash+wj tech (whatever you want to call it) on other walls that you can see more easily
this is roughly what it should look like
last inlet
the walljumps? nah, hold left
last inlet
(you obviously then need to change direction to wallcling)
snow dome
fuck you i was just trying to tell you what I find cool, now mind your buisnes
<@&283547423706447872>
solemn mortar
i can get to dreamers like 4 hours in 
snow dome
?srpsa
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digital sphinx
are there guides for speedrunning p5?
strong vessel
No, you just have to kind of watch what people do
ebon nexus
can I do the 2nd acid skip in 1.5?
digital jewel
yes
digital jewel
nothing changed
cyan girder
New personal best! I switched to a Switch pro controller and shaved off 20 minutes.
pearl sparrow
Now dedicate the rest of your life grinding for a sub 50 like me
Anyone that can get around 1h or even less definitely has potential to get a top time
sage quiver
Hi everyone! I'm learning/practicing All Skills and I have two questions:
- How different are the Isma's Tear skips between 1221 and CP?
- How similar is the QoL mod to 1221 in general? I noticed I couldn't get the Baldur QK and idk if the hitboxes for any skips (mainly the Isma section) are different.
haughty fossil
on cp the spike tunnel is slightly more lenient, but everything else is the same
QoL is not very similar to 1221 at all, there are a lot of small changes that it does not pick up, as well as massive ones like additional rooms that only exist in 1.3+ (eg. lower watcher's spire split into 2 rooms)
QoL is more a "speedtech mod" than a 1221 replacement. Also note that QoL, as well as the modding api itself, is not accepted for main board runs.
sage quiver
Gotcha. Yeah I wouldn't use any mods for actual runs; just using it for practice (debug for save states/infinite soul/etc and QoL because QoL). Thank you so much!
The lower spire confused the h*ck out of me the first time I played on 1221 😅 I was like "uhhhhhh what, am I remembering this wrong"
haughty fossil
if you want to practice, do it on the patch you're going to run on. Also note QoL changes a lot that also makes it a bad equivalent to 1432, and as such is basically only used for randomiser or custom levels where it is required
sage quiver
That makes sense. Does the debug work with 1221 or only CP? (I realize this is starting to get into mod help territory, but it's also for the purpose of speed practice and is also the last question I have on the subject)
haughty fossil
there is a separate modding api and debug mod for 1221, both of which can be found in #resources
also, most of the speedrunning community has moved to a new server, which can be found in the sidebar on https://speedrun.com/hollowknight
sage quiver
Okay awesome. Thank you so much again for your help! ♡♡♡
proper basalt
I’m speedrunning on current patch and I can’t prevent the hard fall when the floor breaks consistently (in king’s pass). Does anyone have any tips?
pearl sparrow
I think it can still be done but I'm not sure
I think I did it once but i don't go for it
I do late pogos off of the 2 breakable objects before the breakable floor and inventory drop as late as i can
You do not need to stay in the inventory for long
knotty vigil
can someone teach me how to do superslides?
formal bough
you could probably post a video if you want better help, it shouldn't be that impossible
formal bough
can someone teach me how to do superslides?
superslides are on older patches not current, don't hold me to this I'm not a glitched runner, but if I had to guess 1.2 or 1.1 patched it, and if you are on like 1028 I believe it's just pause on same frame as killing enemy via nail but not 100% sure
normal aspen
Think it's patched by lifeblood
formal bough
oh really on 1221 you can superslide?
knotty vigil
im on 1028 but i still cant get it
formal bough
scrolling through discord seems to say that superslides are 1 animation frame tight tricks and make sure to cap fps
normal aspen
It's actual frame perfect yeah
If you pause you did it too early if the pause doesn't work you did it too late
onyx rock
Sounds fun
knotty vigil
can someone teach me how to stop clipping myself into the ground while doing inventory storage in transitions?
digital jewel
I’m speedrunning on current patch and I can’t prevent the hard fall when the flo...
Do a small jump right before the floor breaks and then wiggle backwards slightly so you land on the taller part of the ground below
weary root
can someone teach me how to stop clipping myself into the ground while doing inv...
If you're getting that from sideways transitions then you're probably going out of bounds. You should be fine if you either don't close map in the transition or close it earlier or later.
normal aspen
You want to quickmap on reaction to seeing ur character walk into the room or you will soob
wicked snow
hu, im gonnan try start speedrunning, im not gonna do frame saving skips, im not good enought, i just wanna have fun
proper basalt
@digital jewel @pearl sparrow , thanks for the help.
pearl swan
New personal best! I switched to a Switch pro controller and shaved off 20 minut...
Lol
mossy vapor
nice, there will be a HK speedrun tomorrow at ESA
steady lynx
Really?
mossy vapor
https://oengus.io/marathon/bsgo5/schedule the final run
steady lynx
How did I miss this?
snow dome
All Skills let's go
I saw them practicing on twitch, I figured it was for the thing Tsira was putting together
cyan girder
New personal best! I switched to a Switch pro controller and shaved off 20 minut...
1 hr 4 minutes 54 seconds for new time today. Should I start recording and uploading to speedrun.com? (I've been playing on current patch this whole time)
hearty adder
If you wanna go for it, sure! Make sure to follow the submission rules listed on src
pearl sparrow
Yes i would recommend recording if you really want to push the time
But if you start recording then you will also have to time your runs which means non igt
Rta is slower because igt is inaccurate but it's fine
snow dome
That incidentally means an even lower time
digital jewel
Loadless is generally lower than igt
snow dome
Your IGT will be (ish) your real time without quitouts
steady lynx
At the end of console 112 it's about 10 minutes off of rta
elfin vortex
Sure what is it
shell oak
how could i down patch into 1.2.2.1 for the speedrun
elfin vortex
Theres a guide on the speedrun.com page for hollow knight by xero
I can link it if u want?
elfin vortex
topaz cosmos
Hello in trying to start doing hollow knight speedruns and I honestly dont know how to start and do skips and all that only skips I know of are shade skip and I really dont know how to keep track of my time at all anybody can help?
elfin vortex
Well practising skips with debug mod helps alot. To time yourself use livesplit. Fireb0rn has a setup guide on his channel which covers livesplit. If its the fireball skips your struggling with make sure your using quick cast and remember you dont have to do them as they have backups
elfin vortex
Not really. Just learn the route via a guide and just practise the hard stuff in debug using save states
topaz cosmos
alr I will try that
elfin vortex
Any% (which i assume your doing) has a pretty simple route so you'll be fine on memorizing it
pearl sparrow
You can learn most of the any% route from watching it a lot
shut beacon
Another cat u could learn instead is all skills
weary comet
I downpatched to 1.2.2.1. and when I go to start a new game, I get past the poem in the set of cut scenes, then it goes black and I can't do anything, does anyone know how to fix this
shut beacon
It's a lot easier than any% but a bit longer
elfin vortex
Are the dark rooms avoidable in as?
shut beacon
Hmm idk
last inlet
only by getting lantern
shut beacon
When I tried it I did the d dark one
last inlet
darkrooms mandatory on the way to ddark and herrah
shut beacon
Then got lantern for deapnest
elfin vortex
If dark rooms are a must then imo harder than any
last inlet
darkrooms and isma's skips are arguably harder than wk
shut beacon
Idk I find wk super super difficult
last inlet
really depends on your skillset
elfin vortex
darkrooms and isma's skips are arguably harder than wk
Yeah definetely
wicked trench
I think AllSkills is way easier than Any%
But I might be biased because when I started I went from casual to any%, and only recently tried AS, with a lot of experience in the bag
elfin vortex
As is defo easier overall but those parts are harder than the hard bits in any
strong vessel
The dark rooms are really easy and consistent
They're nothing compared to isma's skips and hornet 2
All skills is easier than any% imo, but it's obviously subjective
snow dome
All Skills has a couple of really hard parts that just require you to learn how to do the reasonably precise and not entirely intuitive-at-first inputs. Once you have done that, it's about optimising everything.
Any% has genuinely really hard fights, which require on the fly reactions, and knowing how to correctly adapt to each situation.
strong vessel
Honestly, ignoring all of the hard parts from both categories, all skills has wings for most of the run, which just makes existing easier
Also, QG is an underratedly quite difficult part of any% (though it is skippable)
elfin vortex
Qga is hard but rest of any is pretty chill (like all skills). Also honestly ismas skips arent that hard once u learn them
elfin vortex
Lmao that room is kinda annoying
strong vessel
Petra arena is actually what stopped me from doing QG route at first, not QGA
elfin vortex
Wow thats really odd lmao
strong vessel
Well, if you know how to do QGA, it's consistent
(So is petra arena but it's only consistent to the degree that you have to know how to react to multiple scenarios)
elfin vortex
Didnt ever run any% seriously so no recorded runs but thats so feckin difgerent to what i'd expect ngl
strong vessel
I "ran" any% before even knowing what livesplit was
vague hound
Hi, I have a question regarding some of the Skips you need need for a standard Any% NMG Run. Namely Queens garden Acid Skip. Is it also possible on Console ( Switch) or is it just possible on PC for some reasons (for example running older versions of the game) Sorry if this is a really stupid/obvious question. Thanks in Advance.
snow dome
It might be slightly harder because of input lag, especially on Switch, but it is doable
The trick itself is just hard
Switching over to a decent PC might help a little, but fundamentally it's the same trick.
(and then subsequently moving over to keyboard then buying a new keyboard)
vague hound
But if you use a 1-2ms monitor, theoretically you shouldnt have a problem with input lag?
haughty fossil
consoles have bad input lag anyway
thanks in part to the 60fps cap, the game handles inputs like garbage at low framerates
exotic meadow
fireborn channel lol
vague hound
ok well thanks!
glass fiber
i'm sorry if this has been asked before but my ps4 controller doesn't work on my 1.2.2.1 downpatch, which i'm running through steam. does anyone know of a solution?
hearty adder
Have you tried using something like DS4Windows?
elfin vortex
DS4Windows/joy2key should help
echo grove
my livesplit keeps glitching out in OBS in the middle of runs, any ideas?
Also, does livesplit have to visible for a run to be legitimate?
haughty fossil
make sure livesplit is on the same monitor as obs, otherwise there's not really enough info to say
if you want to submit loadless time then livesplit must be visible, yes
normal aspen
sick swallow
Kamedy
echo grove
make sure livesplit is on the same monitor as obs, otherwise there's not really ...
Hmm I am using the same monitor for both. If it’s any help, it always happens after the game goes completely black for a second (this only happens with obs running)
zealous lagoon
so i have been trying to set up a downpatched version of hollow knight (1.2.2.1) and have it, but my controller (switch pro controller) is having problems. it works for normal hollow knight and other games, but when i try to use it in the downpatched version the controller infinitely turns on and off and i cant do anything. anyone know what the problem could be? thanks!
haughty fossil
Hmm I am using the same monitor for both. If it’s any help, it always happens af...
that sounds like a bigger issue than just obs, is obs set up correctly?
echo grove
Yeah I think so, but I am new to it, anything I should look out for?
haughty fossil
make sure you're using the correct encoder for your setup, plus https://pastebin.com/z5qVqnSQ
(this guide is pinned in the new hksr discord, which can be found in the sidebar of speedrun.com)
echo grove
Awesome, thanks!
iron pelican
what do you get hollow knight on in order to downpatch and mod it?
formal bough
gog is the easiest for downpatching but you can also downpatch on steam, and I honestly don't know how mods work on gog you would have to ask somewhere else but mods work on steam. Only thing that really matters is being on a computer and not switch/xbox/whatever
iron pelican
alrighty thank you!
haughty fossil
windows store also does not work unless you dual boot linux
(and not at all for downpatching, thought this was modding-help for a second 😅)
fast furnace
Anyone got suggestions for tutorials for any% all glitches?
onyx rock
Can someone help with this step, not sure what it means
haughty fossil
this option opens the layout editor
onyx rock
I understand that part, I'm confused in which order I layer the Seperator, Splits, Detailed Timer, Previous Segment, and Sum of Best Segments
haughty fossil
whichever order you want them to appear on the layout
for example, this is mine (ignore the 3 at the bottom that do not appear visually)
onyx rock
I'll try that, thanks
So now the timer starts as soon as I select new save
Is that intended or should it start when I start the fall
haughty fossil
not sure how that would happen
are you starting it manually? also make sure you are comparing to game time
onyx rock
Ah yeah that fixed it, thanks
stable cove
what patch do you have to be on to speedrun any% nmg?
formal bough
you can run it on 1221 or you can run it in 1432/1.5.nonsense
there are seperate boards
formal bough
It doesn't really matter, if you can downpatch doing 1221 is probably better if your computer can handle it but if you prefer cp you can do it as well. It's honestly mostly choice, any% doesn't have any real route differences between patches
stuck vessel
im trying to draw without my glasses because i cant find them and im always failing so bad because people are making fun of me and i want to cry so bad
formal bough
it's 261 cp to 354 1221 total runs on the boards it doesn't matter a huge amount, though 1221 is more optimized
wrong channel kirby
stable cove
still not the channel though?
formal bough
People shouldn't make fun of you not having glasses makes sense that you can't do things I am always astonished how much harder it is to see when I remove mine, but #speedrunning is not the best channel. #off-topic is most likely the best channel to talk about it
and to learn how to downpatch pshooter you look at the pin from xero
stable cove
this seems complicated
wicked snow
is it bad if im new to speedrunning, i get the 1st nail upgrade; cus im not trying to get WRs, jut wanna havefun
also, when do you go to get shaman stone in the NMG Any%
formal bough
No! being new to speedrunning is great, nail1 is a route for a reason. We are all here to have fun anyway, and being here means that you enjoy going fast which is what speedrunning is for.
And you get shaman stone before you shade skip to blue lake
wicked snow
ah
stable cove
so i want 1.2.2.1 right?
formal bough
1221 is where you would downpatch for nmg speedrunning yes
(1028 is the patch for glitched runs, 1221 is for downpatched nmg runs, 1424 is for godhome runs, and 1432+ is for people who don't want to downpatch)
wicked snow
what movement abilities are required to beat WP
formal bough
everything but dash
unkempt lagoon
Is Relic% a thing (get every relic in the game)?
Also could I have the speedruner role please? https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y8dk2knz
snow dome
I believe all relics has been routed, but because of a couple of arcane eggs and that it's basically true ending.
All Seals seems to be the one people are going for.
normal aspen
^ I think u would actually make Glowing's day if u ran all seals
potent sky
is there a speedrun to get all the movement upgrades?
normal aspen
All Skills is basically that, gets all movement, nail arts and spells
potent sky
ah ok thx, how much time does it take for your new kind of race to be approved on speedrun.com?
normal aspen
As in like submitting your pb? 3-7 days is common
onyx rock
What's the downside of speedrunning on cp
plush aurora
is there a way to save state like in debug mod, but it also resets enemy positions and eveything else about the room?
unkempt lagoon
What's the downside of speedrunning on cp
A few skips like hiting the lever in watcher's spire without fighting the great husk sentry; using dash slash to open levers; easier early ddark early control; 1 vs greenpath baldur; inv dropping midair; op flukenest...
and some other stuff that I couldn't tell you rn
onyx rock
Hmm
I might downpatch, just seems like a pain to switch between cp and 1221 every time you need to
weary root
you can have multiple installs at once, It's covered in the downpatching guide
I have 7 🥴
onyx rock
Oh that's nice
onyx rock
Also I was wondering, as someone who is new to speedrunning should I run all skills or any%
elfin vortex
Imo all skills as its mostly considered easier. It is slightly longer though. Beginner AS speedrun would probs be 1h 30m while any would be like 1h 10m but do whatever you enjoy the most.
onyx rock
So I launched the 1221 version of the game and now my 112% save file doesn't look right...is it corrupted
short spire
as long as you don't open it on that version there is no chance of anything happening to it
onyx rock
Ok
short spire
i think it should be fine even if you do open it but don't take my word for that
onyx rock
I've also noticed that speedrunners usually have their speedrun file as #1 for faster menuing, is there any way to change save file positions
short spire
?saves
sick ravenBOT
Saves
Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)
Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\``` ** ** Mac File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/``` ** ** Linux File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
short spire
go there and change it from user1 to another number
onyx rock
Thanks
short spire
user1.dat is the name of the file to be clear
onyx rock
So if I change it to user4.dat what happens to the other user4.dat that is empty
short spire
there shouldn't be files for user2 through 4 if those slots are empty
you might wanna make a backup of your savefile too while you're there just in case
onyx rock
For backing up do I copy all the userX files or just userX.dat
onyx rock
Oh also ax2u, how do you get the graph at the bottom of livesplit
last inlet
right click - edit layout - add component - media - graph
snow dome
That's a Windows setting thing, likely for something like one drive. It is not related to your game.
snow dome
Also; which save file is best for Speedrunning depends on what control system you use. On keyboard for example if you just mash enter it will open save file number 2
shut beacon
Is there any easy way to practice skips without resetting runs every time
i believe ppl use debug mod
and it lets u make save states
snow dome
You will want debug mod with save states built in. (Which is simply the latest version.)
onyx rock
Ok cool
snow dome
is there a way to save state like in debug mod, but it also resets enemy positio...
See the message above, but yes.
onyx rock
Also; which save file is best for Speedrunning depends on what control system yo...
Not save file 1?
snow dome
On keyboard it defaults to your mouse position, which is always puts back to the centre of the screen
onyx rock
Right, right
snow dome
Assuming you have a regular screen, it will be save file 2
It might be different on like super wide screens or something, obviously you'll have to figure that out if you have a different screen size. I always put my non-speedrun save as number 4, just so it's as far away as possible
onyx rock
Yeah I'm doing the same, looks like it's file 3 for me
Can I not use debug mod in 1221
i'm watching ax2u's video but I'm confused
I have the 1221 as a non-steam game but it does't show up in common
hearty adder
Modinstaller is for current patch only, you can find 1221 debug and moddingapi in #resources
onyx rock
Ok
knotty vigil
Guys, gals, and non-binary pals, we have a new HK WR
formal bough
yeah monstah is insane
zealous lagoon
quick question about downpatching, I have a downpatched version of hk (1.2.2.1) and added it as a non steam game, but whenever I try to open it and use my controller it bugs out a lot. my controller will connect and then turn off infinitely on the downpatched version, but it works fine normally. it is a nintendo switch pro controller, anyone know what the problem could be?
knotty vigil
10 minutes difference 
rotund jackal
quick question about downpatching, I have a downpatched version of hk (1.2.2.1) ...
switch pros were not supported natively on 1221. you'll have to use an external program such as joy2key
zealous lagoon
ooh ok thanks. i dont really know what that is, so is there a download for it somewhere
rotund jackal
it maps your controller inputs to keyboard strokes, you can find it here https://joytokey.net/en/download
zealous lagoon
got it thanks so much!
knotty vigil
is enemy hp bar cheating in pantheon runs?
hearty adder
Enemy hp bars require mods installed, which is not allowed on main board categories
plush aurora
hey
i installed ModInstaller (on 1.2.2.1) to update debug, but when i enable Modding API and run the game it just opens up a black screen
i should probably ask on the modding channel but i didnt wanna interrupt there lmao
mossy vapor
the run on ESA is right now
knotty vigil
how much slower is walking to mantis village than explogo?
snow dome
About 40s, depending on how good you are
knotty vigil
ok thanks
vital geyser
its closer to 30
split bear
is godmaster speedrunning a thing people do?
elfin vortex
Wdym by godmaster speedrunning? Like speedruns involving godhome?
split bear
as in, like
elfin vortex
Are radhog speedruns considered pantheon runs?
vital geyser
closest to that is just godhome ending
split bear
I know there's individual pantheon speedruns but
vital geyser
yeah i dont think theres one of those
elfin vortex
Yeah. P1 - 4 are pretty dull then you do the same bosses again in p5 so yeah thats why its not really a thing ig