The vid covers everything you need to know
#speedrunning
elfin vortex
1.2.2.1 or cp?
haughty fossil
(recommend you don't refer to glitches as cheats, as they're still valid gameplay)
haughty fossil
both of those can be achieved through glitches 
elfin vortex
If ur a complete beginner I recommend doing Any% NMG on 1.2.2.1
royal whale
why does version matter?
hot latch
So prob any% nmg (no major glitches) is what you'd wanna run, it's the most popular category to my knowledge
hearty adder
I highly recommend watching any NMMS run and being amazed and confused as to what this game can do
elfin vortex
Nmg means no major glitches
haughty fossil
version matters because the game is faster on 1221
but we also have current patch categories
elfin vortex
So prob any% nmg (no major glitches) is what you'd wanna run, it's the most popu...
Ez and accessible too
hot latch
I remember hearing that all skills is a good cat for beginners
dry sluice
no clip tho?
yep, noclip is achieveable
elfin vortex
Has its hard parts such as qga but its mostly rather chill
hearty adder
All Skills and Any% are great entry points and both have their strenghts and weaknesses: All Skills is more focused on movement, is longer, and ends up with you being really beefy on boss fights; Any% is shorter and less intensive on skips, but you have harder boss fights due to less equipment
Biggest roadblock in All Skills is Hornet 2; on any%, Watcher Knights
elfin vortex
I remember hearing that all skills is a good cat for beginners
Heard 4ms is good too
hearty adder
Pick whichever and try it out, after a while you'll know what kind of categories you like running
hearty adder
Heard 4ms is good too
4ms is a good introduction to meme categories imo; while it has a couple of problematic spots (namely, the Mawlek fight and the Goam shard), it's pretty chill after that. It's a pain to optimize though imo 
Getting burnt out on it is pretty easy due to how short the run is
royal whale
why i can't press the settings button
hearty adder
Press Activate
topaz moat
you need to hit "activate"
hearty adder
Please read the guide in pins
hearty adder
How to Livesplit and Autosplit for Newbies: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl
royal whale
You should download splits tbh
give me
snow dome
Speedrun dot com forward slash hollow knight
royal whale
sorry if i sound lazy
frank obsidian
Speedrun dot com forward slash hollow knight
Indeed, fellow fast moving human being.
snow dome
Honestly I've just come back from my first proper actual outside walk activity in like nine month, I am a very slow moving human being right now. ๐
frank obsidian
lol
topaz moat
@royal whale just in case it wasnt clear, you can download the splits from the speedrun dot com website. They;re near the bottom of the "resources" section
royal whale
oh sorry
hearty adder
sorry if i sound lazy
I don't mean to sound rude, but these resources are very easily available if you go look for them yourself. Getting help from people is great, but the info is already compiled in places for a reason
The #resources channel has a lot of good stuff. Usually you can also find information on either the pins here or the pins of the category channel you choose (in your case, #any-percent-nmg )
Wow nice discord
frank obsidian
What the heck Nosk is hacking
elfin vortex
Channel pins, src rescources/guides and yt vids have pretty much everything you need to start up
hearty adder
Wow not letting me tag channels, rude af ๐ค
elfin vortex
What the heck Nosk is hacking
Lmao thats feckin amazing
royal whale
is there shame in me getting isma's tear?
hot latch
Not at all, it all depends on what you find fun for speed running
royal whale
snow dome
There's shame in that
frank obsidian
is there shame in me getting isma's tear?
no, but for any%, cheart is simply superior
snow dome
^^^
elfin vortex
Wait is the qga alternative getting ismas?
frank obsidian
There's shame in that
Shane, Destroyer of Worlds
digital jewel
isma's tear is not really helpful for any%
quiet saddle
Isma's for any%NMG as a new player shouldn't be needed. There's one easy acid skip in any% NGM, as long as you avoid QGA
Still no "shame" tho obv :)
frank obsidian
Wait is the qga alternative getting ismas?
no, go sporeshroom route 
quiet saddle
Wait is the qga alternative getting ismas?
Nah, reroute through deepnest
Loses 40s optimally
so it's fine for noobs
snow dome
There are only like 2 required acts skips. The one at Monomon, which it's so easy it doesn't count, and the one from Crossroads to Fog Canyon, which is less easy but still reasonably easy.
royal whale
why you need tram pass? (i found it when i downloaded the splits in the site)
hot latch
Oh you may have downloaded splits for another cat
frank obsidian
why you need tram pass? (i found it when i downloaded the splits in the site)
IDK, what cat?
snow dome
Tram Pass is not in the traditional Any% route
quiet saddle
Monomon isn't classified as an acid skip yea?
royal whale
low% i think
elfin vortex
Nah, reroute through deepnest
Thought so. 1st ez acid skip has a nice ez setup so ismas isnt worth it imo
frank obsidian
Low% GE 
snow dome
Monomon isn't classified as an acid skip yea?
I would assume not, but it requires you to use Crystal Dash and Claw to get over Acid, so it's close enough
quiet saddle
Tragic as in hard af
snow dome
Low% is pretty hard
quiet saddle
All I needed to see was them getting CH in Low%
Enough for me to know I never wanna do it rofl
frank obsidian
low% ge is hardest doe
elfin vortex
low% i think
I thought u said u were doing any% nmg lol
quiet saddle
They prob thought Low% = Any% or something
royal whale
yes
elfin vortex
Scary
frank obsidian
General Milky actually managed to do it
Only ever confirmed run
Absolute madlad
topaz moat
yes
low% means getting the minimum amount of upgrades (no dash, no charms)
any% means you can get as many upgrades as you like (dash is collected because it's faster, but not ismas tear, becasue that would be slower)
royal whale
slower but easier becuase i can't do that impossible crystal dash throught the lake
topaz moat
you dont need to do the impossible crystal dash throuhg the lake
there is an alternate route
elfin vortex
^^
frank obsidian
slower but easier becuase i can't do that impossible crystal dash throught the l...
That's what THK sporeshroom route is for
haughty fossil
only 1 acid skip is required in any% nmg, and there is a very consistent lineup for that one
frank obsidian
only 1 acid skip is required in any% nmg, and there is a very consistent lineup ...
yes just walk off the plat and cdash
topaz moat
if you would get more enjoyment in getting ismas tear then you should absolutely do that, but it would just be a bit slower
haughty fossil
for 1221 qga is around 40s faster, for cp it's estimated only like 5s faster
strong vessel
FC acid skip is so consistent that I'm convinced that it's developer-intended
royal whale
im aiming for like 5 hours not for 50mins tho
elfin vortex
Qga has an alterative and the 1 required acis skip is ez
frank obsidian
for 1221 qga is around 40s faster, for cp it's estimated only like 5s faster
why 5 secs?
hot latch
There is the crystal dash that lets you go to fog canyon which is really easy imo, and the qga (hard acid skip) has an alternate route through deepnest that is only slightly slower
quiet saddle
@royal whale Highly recommend fireb0rn's video guide for any% nmg
royal whale
ye i watch that guy
frank obsidian
I used to watch him 
strong vessel
why 5 secs?
Spore shroom
topaz moat
if you're just going for the sub5 hr speedrun achievment, then doing the any% route would be more difficult than other routes
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
strong vessel
There's a link there
frank obsidian
When the SR is PSA 
haughty fossil
why 5 secs?
qg is slower than 1221 on cp, and spore shroom saves a significant amount of time at thk
strong vessel
It gets Isma's too in case you're wondering
frank obsidian
qg is slower than 1221 on cp, and spore shroom saves a significant amount of tim...
Why is it slower? Hazard skip?
haughty fossil
that and several others
petras have 5 extra hp
there are a few missing inv drops
frank obsidian
Petras 
haughty fossil
and the thorns actually hit you 
elfin vortex
im aiming for like 5 hours not for 50mins tho
Why an ls setup for the 5h achievment lol???
Ls is mainly for competitive speedruns
hot latch
yo anyone got a good tutorial for fast boi dream nail (talking ab the dream platforms) youtube doesn't seem to want to give me a video for it
strong vessel
With or without cdash?
I mean, depending on which
You can look at fireb0rn's any% guide and Pisces's all skills guide
hot latch
sorry, for any% nmg cp, so no cdash
elfin vortex
Your probs best off analyzing a runner do it. No tutorials ik of for that
strong vessel
Doesn't fireb0rn's guide go over a few strats?
elfin vortex
Probs. Only watched his greenpath any tutorial so its likely thats the case
hot latch
yeahh, i'll check out fireb0rn's guide and then look at pests run or something after
quiet saddle
CP and 1221 dream nail plats should be pretty identical, i'd think right?
quiet saddle
cp don't jump off at the start
Oh right, that makes sense
A lot of those little things are patched out
I'm guessing seer skip also isn't in CP?
hot latch
I'd assume they are the same for the most part then
strong vessel
Seer skip is
quiet saddle
:O
hot latch
No seer skip is a thing its just frame perfect
strong vessel
It's a lot harder though
quiet saddle
Oh fuck rofl
snow dome
cp don't jump off at the start
How come?
If you get dash inventory is it not the same?
elfin vortex
I'm guessing seer skip also isn't in CP?
Used in lots of cp cats lol
quiet saddle
Doesn't change moth spawn time tho, right?
strong vessel
You just crystal heart instead of dashing out
snow dome
Why am I missing all this stuff
haughty fossil
tami the seer appear cycle is reset when you jump off
quiet saddle
What do you run on CP Tami?
snow dome
Currently practicing 112. Not actually done a run so guaranteed Pb right now.
I was doing some any%cp recently, too
snow dome
My Pb was 1h5m, which was over five minutes longer than my All Skills, so I figured I could improve it
elfin vortex
112 is best cat cmv
quiet saddle
Wait, your Any% PB on CP was lower than your All skills CP PB?
strong vessel
112 best cat
topaz moat
anyone have any tips for ismas tear spike tunnel in all skills? I just can't get any consistency - I get it three times in a row, and then it feels like im doing the same thing and I fail it
hearty adder
If you hit the spikes too soon you'll take damage, you gotta delay the pogo a bit
snow dome
First; make sure you're pretty much as low as you can be on the wall before you jump.
Second; leave your Pogo very slightly longer than you expect.
Those are the two best tips I can give.
Okay, night everybody. ๐
elfin vortex
Is all skills ismas spikr tunnel samr as 112 ismas tunnel?
normal aspen
Also don't let go of dash. If you let go during the freeze frames it will eat your input
topaz moat
thank you! Gn tami
strong vessel
Is all skills ismas spikr tunnel samr as 112 ismas tunnel?
Yes
Though going around loses a lot less time in 112
Because you fight Dung Defender anyway
elfin vortex
Ah well since its the same I'll give my tips on how I learnt it. I first stood on the plat below, jumped and just hit the spikes and dashed without holding a direction to get the feel, then get the jump correct so find the right place to jump from (normally bottom of ledge) and, taking it slowly try doing it. Once u can get it 5/6 times in a row try doing it from the drop
Thats what helped me get it but u may find ur own way to slowly ease ur way into getting the tunnel skip consistently
topaz moat
just got it 9 times in a row :) you are all awesome!!
frank obsidian
just got it 9 times in a row :) you are all awesome!!
elfin vortex
Nice!
jagged vault
Is all skills ismas spikr tunnel samr as 112 ismas tunnel?
yes, but the timings are slightly different due to the two being ran on different patches
it's easier on current patch (112)
elfin vortex
Interesting
jagged vault
this is mainly because pogoing those spikes on 1221 gives you hella freeze frames
frank obsidian
Isma's Tunnel is impossible ๐ฅด
elfin vortex
Oh dear that sounds bad. Is that why i see 1.2.2.1 runners using vs sometimes when doing it?
jagged vault
not really. the VS is just a different method
you use the fireball to stall your falling momentum and make the timing of the trick easier to execute
the problem is that the pogo itself is ๐ฅด on 1221
frank obsidian
I legit routed a key in to fight DD so i didnt have to do that stupid tunnel
jagged vault
it's not that bad once you learn and practice it regardless of patch though
frank obsidian
but i am bad
verbal stag
practice makes you less bad
elfin vortex
I love how satisfying all ismas skips are
frank obsidian
ismas is hard
frank obsidian
I love how satisfying all ismas skips are
Hwurmp.exe
jagged vault
I love how satisfying all ismas skips are
yeah, getting the entire part in one go is really satisfying to look at
jagged vault
the section has a good "flow" to it i guess
elfin vortex
Mhm. I can still improve my ismas tho tbh
frank obsidian
TC on their way to patch speedtech
jagged vault
this is a bit offtopic to the current conversation
frank obsidian
sorry i thought nobody was talking anymore
elfin vortex
Will 1.5 affect speedrunning too much? Idk what will be changed except for dashmaster
jagged vault
there are a couple minor changes that TC are implementing
the major ones being a "new" attack to watcher knights, patching out crystal guardian sleep kill, and changes and restrictions to how and when you can open the inventory
and as fluffy mentioned THK sporeshroom
frank obsidian
THK sporeshroom is really sad because i just started messing with it
frank obsidian
the major ones being a "new" attack to watcher knights, patching out crystal gua...
Oh yeah, the sleep kill is was funny
elfin vortex
Fuck. no crystal guardian sleep kill is upsetting
steady lynx
THK sporeshroom is slower than QG route anyway, might as well
frank obsidian
I mean CG is pretty easy, just a bit of a timeloss
steady lynx
Only an issue for spelless which can just downpatch
frank obsidian
THK sporeshroom is slower than QG route anyway, might as well
But what about people who suck, like me
jagged vault
the problem is not the fight itself
it makes it inconsistent and you can lose health for CG2
frank obsidian
it makes it inconsistent and you can lose health for CG2
Isn't there a bench there tho?
steady lynx
You savewarp after crown
frank obsidian
oh
elfin vortex
So im guessing 112 will mostly stay on 1.4.3.2?
steady lynx
Main up for 1.5 is that dashmaster is functional
frank obsidian
People who can't downpatch tho 
elfin vortex
Dashmaster fix will be brill for PoP
jagged vault
it will be kept as a beta option on steam
1.4.3.2
for people that cannot run the new x64 version
true palm
no software will be needed to run 1432, no extra steps, and no good computers
if you can run it now you will be able to run it when 1.5 comes out
unless you are on console
in which case tough luck
steady lynx
Console will of course be locked to latest patch
frank obsidian
oh so i dont have to update?
true palm
it will automatically update but you can set it back through steam normally
frank obsidian
without stupid downpatching?
true palm
yup
elfin vortex
Ah that'll be nice
jagged vault
it will be kept as a beta option on steam
^
frank obsidian
true palm
just like you can opt into the beta right now
you'll be able to opt into 1432
(for reference this isnt because theyre being nice to speedrunners, but rather 1.5 stops supporting some machines)
frank obsidian
Dang TC really hates
I feel like the major patches they r making are speedrunning related
true palm
indeed, the number of game breaking bugs patched out versus speed tech, is pretty disproportionate, particularly since speedrunning promotes not only their game but future endeavors
elfin vortex
Meanwhile celeste is fully embracing speedrunning
true palm
most games do
its an anomaly to patch out speed tech
the only reason games patch out speed tech is because it disrupts average gameplay
elfin vortex
They added demodash as an option (crouch dash) to make it easier to setup in the celeste update
true palm
celeste's popularity revolves around speedrunning though, the same is not said of hollow knight
elfin vortex
True
frank obsidian
Hollow Knight is popular for story, lore, and fun stuff
elfin vortex
And memes it seems
true palm
regardless, its just bad business practice to remove forms of marketing for your game
which is what speedrunning is
frank obsidian
elfin vortex
Mhm. On one hand dashmaster fix yay but speedtech removal is eesh
short spire
it was pretty consistently above 1k at least during the any% race which i think was the most popular run
frank obsidian
what they fix with sans charm?
jagged vault
those views came from inside the speedrunning community though mainly
and because people like fire and the HK main discord actively advertised it
true palm
the speedrunning community is very large, compared to other games communities
short spire
doesn't really matter where they came from
frank obsidian
what did they fix with dashmaster
steady lynx
Have you read the patch notes?
short spire
clearly it's content people like
elfin vortex
what they fix with sans charm?
From what i hear dashmaster will be fixed in 1.5 idk fully
frank obsidian
yay
elfin vortex
I died so many times while learning PoP to accidental down dash
steady lynx
1.5 is massive for console since the new Unity version very likely has faster loads so I don't mind the loss of 1.4 tech too much
elfin vortex
Whats hk 4y?
jagged vault
HK4Y was a speedrunning marathon organized for the community to celebrate 4 years of HK
there were showcases and races of Any%, TE, Rando, a 106% Keyboard vs. Controller relay, and P5
was fun 
elfin vortex
Wow i cant believe theres been 4 years of hk. Feels like way less
stable rain
there were showcases and races of Any%, TE, Rando, a 106% Keyboard vs. Controlle...
Not 4ms :(
elfin vortex
there were showcases and races of Any%, TE, Rando, a 106% Keyboard vs. Controlle...
Sounds brill
jagged vault
all the footage is still on the Hollow Knight Community youtube channel
frank obsidian
yeah HK4y was awesome
jagged vault
idk if the entire event stream was ever highlighted
i think i did do it
but i might have forgotten
because the YT uploads skip a lot of introductions etc
stiff delta
Hk4y was so much fun
Nothing compares to the feeling of getting fury soul master in front of like 1000 people
stable rain
Well done
knotty vigil
or choking wp in front of 1k people 
frank obsidian
or choking wp in front of 1k people <:ax2uHappy:716028551589003325>
F
limpid ruin
Nothing compares to the feeling of getting fury soul master in front of like 100...
I know right 
grizzled maple
Nothing compares to the feeling of getting fury soul master in front of like 100...
dying in colo racing ax2u in front of 1000 people
jagged vault
killing nailsmith in front of 1000 people 
talk about something to be embarrassed of
stiff delta
I know right <:FeelsInvertedMan:750026958003503235>
frank obsidian
killing nailsmith in front of 1000 people <:emrayYikes:713452455928529032>
fireb0rn be like
stiff delta
the heart is only for cerp tho
emray did a hate crime
big homophobic energy right there
frank obsidian
Emray when she sees a nailsmith 
frank obsidian
Do it with a spell
fireb0rn energy 
noooooooooooo
whyyyy
wait can u actually kill him with 
crest
what about shrapshadow
steady lynx
How were we supposed to know he wanted to be killed with the nail? We don't know Chinese
frank obsidian
How were we supposed to know he wanted to be killed with the nail? We don't know...
ok
robust vessel
How would I set up autosplit for the trials?
robust vessel
ok
stiff delta
someone who actually runs ils could probably be more indepth
copper egret
https://discord.gg/sR5uXtF8ZN
This is the server for Hollow Knight TAS, if you are interested in it, you can join us, I am about to make a tas of ismas route๐
Yeah
We are testing the iamas routes
naive nova
Hypothetical question: Iโm doing an event tomorrow where Iโll be running the steel soul any% route but bc of event rules i canโt actually run in steel soul mode. Does this mean I wonโt be able to submit a run as steel soul any% if I happen to pb?
Obvious answer is obvious but Iโm gonna be so annoyed if I get a good time
signal wraith
Is there a route for 100% steel soul?
rugged crow
Probably because if they were to die the run would be over
hazy birch
Is there a route for 100% steel soul?
100% isn't really run unless you're on 1.1 patch. 112% APB can be run steel soul -- same route as normal since there are no shade skips
hot latch
Obvious answer is obvious but Iโm gonna be so annoyed if I get a good time<:soul...
just pb tonight lol 
neon island
What is the Baldur spit WR again?
grizzled maple
20? I think, by paum
copper egret
Any%:
wk with fury
wk with shaman
wk with fury and shaman
frank obsidian
https://discord.gg/sR5uXtF8ZN
This is the server for Hollow Knight TAS, if you a...
what is tas
copper egret
I want to know how faster fury and shanman can do
And which is faster, fury or shaman
stiff delta
on their own id say shaman free
grizzled maple
Fury isn't worth. It takes nearly 40 seconds to grab for only 4 extra damage plus the 2 seconds it takes to get into fury each time you need it
knotty vigil
shaman is faster for rta runners for sure
grizzled maple
Shaman is significantly faster like no contest
Fury can't even theoretically come close to breaking even
signal wraith
100% isn't really run unless you're on 1.1 patch. 112% APB can be run steel soul...
Okay, so if I wanted to run 112% steel soul, I'd just run the same as normal 112?
verbal stag
what is tas
tool assisted speedrun
frank obsidian
whats that
grizzled maple
Google exists fluffy
copper egret
Oh wait, i will do the upgrade first, so will the fury worth it?
short spire
Wow, that is some serious luck there lmao
i believe it was 20th spit baldur so actually "only" about 1/500k
grizzled maple
I'm on mobile but if I could I would link you the last time we talked about this here where I listed the values and potential saves. Nail upgrade cant be worth because you're losing way more than you can possibly make up in that alone. Then fury itself. Remember theres damage time loss, overcharming, all for almost no extra damage.
copper egret
If I got fury and shaman both, there is two routes I made!:
City of tear>wk bench for fury and shaman>wk>wk bench for dash master>upgrade>quit the game to wk bench>wings
City of tear>wk bench>go down to upgrade>cutscene>upgrade>quit the game to wk bench>euip shaman and fury>wk>bench for dash master(or not)>wings
grizzled maple
The concept is really old and was ruled out in the games early months
Its just not faster
knotty vigil
Well this is for the theoretical isma's route so you have to get the upgrade anyway
unless there's some tas strat to get wings without it
dull lion
Yeah unfortunately (as somebody who always tries to route in fury to things) fury is rarely worth
copper egret
Or i will give up one of the fury or shaman
dull lion
Shaman conversely is almost always worth so go with that
grizzled maple
Yeah its different if this is a demonstration tas I guess, but I still recommend skipping fury because it will lose more than it can make up. Just shaman would be fastest
copper egret
Yeah unfortunately (as somebody who always tries to route in fury to things) fur...
Oh, it will be a tas, so..
small forge
hey wich channel i can talk about pantheon runs ?
frank obsidian
if its a speedrun then here
copper egret
Yeah its different if this is a demonstration tas I guess, but I still recommend...
Not sure about it , hornet, wk, ummu, Knight, all of these can use fury
small forge
nice
grizzled maple
The only reasons 1xx% runs get fury early is because
- You need to have 5 charms before salubra visit 1
- You dont get shaman for a long time so fury is viable dps
- You need it anyway and cdashing across to get backto cliffs is faster than fury pathing
Its the only main categories that do
small forge
today i submited my very first run it was horrible time but i got very happy hehe
frank obsidian
Congrats!
stiff marsh
Does anyone have experience setting up subsplits in LiveSplit with the HK autosplitter? I cant seem to get it to understand the subsplits properly. If it just doesn't cooperate with the autosplitter I'd like to know so I'm not wasting my time lol
dull lion
Itโs faster optimally by like 10s if you have to do vs only shamanless soul master like in 106 as well. But barring that the 40 seconds is unfortunately too much
copper egret
Alright
small forge
its kinda sad too cause i managed to improve by 2 minutes but i key binded obs wrong and was streaming insted of recording and lost my time and i cant do it again i think ill try again later after i rest a little.
copper egret
Then I will skip the fury
dull lion
Is this tas for any%
dull lion
Cool, I joined the server for it. I donโt really have any tassing experience but I know a good bit about routing and timings for various things so Iโm happy to help with that if I can
copper egret
So I might need someone optimize this route
dull lion
Are you following the mag ismas?
dull lion
Yeah the mag skip ismas any% route
I think youโre doing what Iโm talking about looking at the server
dull lion
No I was asking if thatโs what you were doing in your server lol
And I found out that yes it was, you just didnโt know that name for the route
copper egret
Haha
upper ivy
ive never posted in here before but id like to start trying to run this game with my switch pro controller but ive been having some issues getting it to work properly. if anyone has any experience in troubleshooting those kinds of issues some help would be super appreciated
stiff delta
are you running on 1221
upper ivy
yeah
stiff delta
1221 came out before switch support
upper ivy
ooo that would be why
stiff delta
so you need to use a program (most use joy2key iirc) to rebind it to something that does work
upper ivy
i can get the general controls to work but menu/pausing doesnt work at all
stiff delta
personally i use rewasd but its like 6 bucks and joy2key is free
upper ivy
ill check out joy2key and try to see if thatll work, thanks
copper egret
Any%:
wk with fury
wk with shaman
wk with fury and shaman
I might need the exact time of this three, but I don't wanna tas it three times
upper ivy
ey joy2key works great tyvm
cloud spear
I used โWindow captureโ in OBS๏ผ but the video shows a problem๏ผlivesplit didnt show
Does anyone know how to solve it
I tried windowed games, running every program as an administrator, and even changing the recording software, but none of them worked
analog monolith
i'm confused as to what's happening and what's wrong in these two images
verbal stag
is there some kind of filter on the livesplit capture?
cloud spear
I used a filter๏ผbut itโs the same effect without filters
The first picture is the picture displayed in obs.The second is a screenshot from the recorded video
The preview display in obs is no problem๏ผbut in the recorded video it becomes like the second picture
elfin vortex
We are testing the iamas routes
What is ismas route might I ask?
elfin vortex
So its just get ismas as quickly as possible?
stiff delta
Fireb0rn has a video covering it, the child prodigy one
its any% but with ismas instead of cdash
You need one or the other to beat the game
elfin vortex
Ah ok. If its the one with that crazy acid skip then that would be interesting to see
stiff delta
it is the one with that crazy acid skip
next gorge
guys how can I make liveplit transparent
cloud spear
I use another computer, this time there is no strange problem that appears above
haughty fossil
you probably have the source set to stream only or something
except the only version of obs i know to make that easy is slobs
subtle glade
I'm sorry if it's not the topic for this channel, but what could I use as pictures for the kings pass and greenpath splits? Also, does anyone have a pic of the crystal heart or mothwing cloak tutorial I could use for the respective splits?
This is what I have rn
digital jewel
for KP I use a vengefly and for greenpath a mosscreep
subtle glade
Btw xero good job on the race! That was a sick comeback
elfin vortex
I missed it when it took place. Is there an upload of the race i can watch on yt?
elfin vortex
O nice thx
digital jewel
I think round 4 matches are still being uploaded
haughty fossil
timer should start automatically - do you have the autosplitter set up and triggers added?
haughty fossil
click settings
haughty fossil
remove hollow knight practice
the game splits automatically on any game ending
otherwise everything looks fine, try launching livesplit after the game
royal whale
ok
haughty fossil
make sure the game executable is still called hollow_knight too, changing it breaks the autosplitter
royal whale
guys i got moathwing cloak in 18 mins :O
im gonna try the shade to blue lake only once or twice if i felt i was close if i fail i will go with my city crest to fungal wastes
ok one last time
SO CLOSE
accualy im gonna sit here until i do it
I DID IT
its my first time doing a speed run and i did it like 5th try
short spire
im glad you're excited but it kinda floods this channel if you give play-by-play updates like this, it's not really what this place is meant for
royal whale
oh ok
i died at watcher knights :/
its so hard with 5 masks and almost nothing
well this is gonan take some time
leaden python
im glad you're excited but it kinda floods this channel if you give play-by-play updates like this, it's not really what this place is meant for
?srpsa
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haughty fossil
read the first pin
worthy oracle
?
vestal zenith
fleet pewter
Is it allowed to speedrun with skin mods on?
last inlet
customknight requires modding api
jagged vault
Not even the modding api itself
last inlet
which is not allowed since it changes how the game runs
jagged vault
This is in the rules on speedrun.com, which we recommend you to take a look at before asking
fleet pewter
ok thanks
jagged vault
Most questions are answered there
uneven pike
this thing?
Hey just so you know ismas tear isnt part of the any% route you can use cdash the 2 places it's needed
the only hard skip that you dont have to do by grabbing ismas is qga, which doesn't save enough time to make it worth getting ismas for
subtle glade
If you can't go qga just go the deepnest route
quiet saddle
well this is gonan take some time
Yupppp
The fights hard dude; don't beat yourself up about it. Just keep practicing it
edgy kiln
warm silo
but was it hitless 
neon island
GG
deep apex
Running the pantheons is so fun
leaden python
gg blackmoon 
inner burrow
DANG
warm silo
Accepted new login key for account ************
Got 133 licenses for account!
Disconnected from Steam-
this is scary
mental kiln
Why is dying with inventory not allowed in NMG?
leaden python
because it gives you inventory storage, so you can equip charms earlier
and do all sorts of sketchy things
like this, for example
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283467985224466442/833995696951525406/deathswag.mp4
warm silo
So im trying to use my switch pro controller to play on steam but it's acting up in game, does anybody else use a pro con?
subtle glade
Why is dying with inventory not allowed in NMG?
Basically it gives you control over your character during the death animation
warm silo
nvm, looks like enabling native controller input worked
warm silo
great question, i just downpatched to 1.2.2.1 i think
what types of problems does it cause?
haughty fossil
for me native controller made my game crash on quitout on 1432 ๐ฅด
suggest using something external like steam controller support or joytokey so you're not trusting tc with anything
vital geyser
what do you guys use for keystrokes?
haughty fossil
there are 2 main ones for controller, the one i use is an obs studio plugin called input-overlay
vital geyser
thanks <3
subtle glade
Can you use glitches in nmg if it doesn't give any benefit, like swag jumping during the death animation before shade skip?
elfin vortex
Think it should be fine if it doesnt give a major advantage tho im not completely sure. Check the hk src rules
haughty fossil
keyword accidental
you also do not need to exploit the benefit for a benefit to be gained
last inlet
as per the rules, major glitches have to be 1. unintentional and 2. clearly not save time aaaaand ive been ๐ ed
haughty fossil
swag jumping requires dying with inv open which is explicitly disallowed
subtle glade
Can you use glitches in nmg if it doesn't give any benefit, like swag jumping du...
Well then I guess the answer is no?
haughty fossil
correct
subtle glade
Alright thanks
haughty fossil
https://pastebin.com/VtzvMpyW very important read from the src rules
subtle glade
Don't we leave seer's room early after getting dnail?
In nmg
Or is there some text storage you can get if you do things differently?
last inlet
that's allowed glitches
ionic cargo
its saying that seer skip is an example of where it isnt a major glitch
last inlet
seer skip doesnt result in major glitches (unless you mess it up and whitescreen at lurien)
subtle glade
Oh right, I thought the e.g. was refering to "as long as it doesn't"
So I thought it was an example of the wrong use of the early control glitch
subtle glade
seer skip doesnt result in major glitches (unless you mess it up and whitescreen...
This happens if you don't wake up and leave the room right?
subtle glade
Now a really hard question, why does it happen?
๐
true palm
theres a save point upon waking up, and because the game isnt saved properly theres spaghetti, (similar things happen with other forms of early control during save points)
shut beacon
why does everyone wait until leaving the tunnel after getting kings brand before dream gating?
why dont we do it as soon as u pick it up
grizzled maple
Speedrun.com lists those rules. No, no mods are allowed for runs since the api changes the game fundamentally
The only exception is on speedrun.com/hkmods where specific mods are allowed for specific categories
prime python
ooh ok thx
mental berry
ye dash scream skip
so the inventory scream skip is banned in 112? and the dash scream skip isnt?
limpid dust
I dunno the setup but I've heard from emray that it's kinda inconsistent between people so you have to figure it out by yourself
limpid dust
so the inventory scream skip is banned in 112? and the dash scream skip isnt?
and yeah
grizzled maple
This is my visual cue
the problem is that it seems to be fps or load related and what i do might not always work for someone else.
mental berry
the right side of the jar?
grizzled maple
you have to lab something out for yourself
the arrow points to where i start the dash
uneven scarab
Noice
steady lynx
I've even managed to get Godhome collector scream skip once on switch
warm silo
how do you get the speedrunner role? I'm just about to start learning the route
i just downpatched my game and am working on installing something for save states
kind flume
after you've gotten a run verified on speedrun.com you can ask for the role
warm silo
alright thanks!
kind flume
lots more good info in the pinned messaged in this and other channels
mental berry
Any tips for GPZ with steady body?
dark blaze
hit him
steady lynx
Upslash while moving slightly away
grizzled maple
take off steady body
stiff delta
Dont save zote
last inlet
sounds like the answer is 'no'
vocal fjord
Speed running tips 1:Donโt talk to NPCโs unless they are a shopkeeper 2:Donโt die. 3:Obviously donโt save zote
last inlet
gonna have to put an asterisk on all 3 of those
- or give you spells or other useful progression
- unless shade skipping
- unless an all bosses category or you need vk geo (or zote%)
stiff delta
Zote best character btw
true palm
i mean any% technically saves Zote (the only time zote can die is in greenpath, and we kill VK for geo)
stiff delta
we might have freed him from his shackles but have we really saved him?
subtle glade
I've just tried running the part of the speedrun I've learnt so far, turns out I'm worse at dream platforms than I thought
haughty fossil
dw we accept bad dreamplatters
last inlet
i'm pretty sure nobody actually knows how to do dreamplats
last inlet
extrapolating from my sample size of 1 here
haughty fossil
any% dream plats don't ask though
subtle glade
I've failed like 3 times at that one where you have to jump, then minihop and dash under a platform
I think it's the on all skills people wall jump off of to get to the roof
true palm
you dont need to really grind out dreamplats until you grind out a category very hard
stiff delta
yea you just go to the roof and cdash, then funny underplat it up
true palm
however easy dreamplats are included in all skills and in low%
subtle glade
yea you just go to the roof and cdash, then funny underplat it up
I'm playing any%, the all skills thing was just to better visualise which platform I'm talking about
true palm
timesave in dreamplats is most likely less than timesave in other spots
stiff delta
correct choice
generally if you mess up dreamplats its not a big deal, you can just play it slow
true palm
for instance 3 cycle uumuu loses as much time as just never dashing in dreamplats
like its not a big deal to get every dash until you're aiming for a top time
stiff delta
generally you can just jump and dash and probably land on a platform
subtle glade
It's like the only set of platforms I fall from, I'm very annoyed at them
last inlet
alternatively jump, dash, fuck wheres the platform, fall, forget where the platform was, fall again, reset
true palm
at the end of the day, falling in plats is rarely reset worthy, only loses like 8s the first time iirc? (which is very small time loss for new runs)
subtle glade
Idk why this set of movements just short circuits my brain
last inlet
yeah i think its only like 8s
true palm
obviously it can +/- some time depending on where you fall
last inlet
not actually worth resetting but it is annoying
true palm
regardless learning that one motion in plats is probably not worth compared to grinding out other parts of the category
subtle glade
Either I dashbonk on the top platform or hop too far so after the dash I'm past the platform
If I fell 3 times it's like half a minute time loss, so I think it's worth practising
true palm
so you can set savestates in plats btw, they're a little buggy, you just need to fall off again if the seer doesnt spawn
subtle glade
I know, fire showed that in his dream nail split guide
true palm
If I fell 3 times it's like half a minute time loss, so I think it's worth pract...
if you're falling 3 times, you might want to just go over or grind it out, dont be stubborn and lose 2 minutes trying to save half a second
subtle glade
True
last inlet
from experience the savestates are fine as long as you dont do it after the last big platform before the pickup
true palm
dreamplats are something that take more time than you'd expect though, since its a lot of memorization
its pretty comparable to learning like cpeak dark room, or like darknest imo, just because the rooms bright doesnt mean you have time to react to whats happening. you rely on memory and not extensive visual cues
subtle glade
Normally I just use the "dash and then see where you can land" tactic, but it doesn't really work on an underplat
true palm
would recommend you just learn each individual movement, makes it a lot more consistent, than being reactionary
obviously you dont need to learn dreamplats at a high level
but its a lot harder to wing that underplat if your movement isnt consistent
subtle glade
Alright, guess it's time to spend half an hour in dream world lol
true palm
once again though, the most bang for your buck in terms of practice time for platforming is going to be something like cpeak, even queens gardens
subtle glade
Btw, the trick that lets you get on the second platform from the start before it fully spawns, how precise is it? The best I seam to get is a wallcling on it
true palm
cpeak is where the majority of your time as an early runner should go because off cycles can lead to just death
getting on the second platforms precise
wallcling is fine, its not going to keep you from getting a great time
subtle glade
ik, but it's hard to fight muscle memory when trying to practise something new, so if it's not too hard I try to learn the trick right away
true palm
eh not really, you'd be surprised how quick you can pick up things tbh
specially for new strats
subtle glade
Alright, thanks for all the help
true palm
anyways take vysuals, known for using a lot of older/comfy strats, is top 5 and gets the wall cling
it saves like 0.2
its like the same time save for learning elevator wcs
subtle glade
I think I'll try to get a few more runs until pogaxe (that's how far I've learnt the route so far)
To try to get more consistant
true palm
ye go for it, and regardless of pogaxe or no pogaxe, would recommend spending an hour or two in cpeak, get really comfy, its a stressful part of the run and is kind of all or nothing
messing up a cycle is usually bad enough to warrant resetting the room
analog monolith
jeez i should probably practice peaks then lmao
true palm
cpeak is really rewarding
subtle glade
I didn't mean pogaxe as in the strat pogaxe, I ment the room
That's where I ended learning, but you're right that I'm trying to learn pogaxe
analog monolith
i can do the cdash room just fine but i'm really bad at everything else
true palm
ye im just saying while you're in cpeak, to really learn the rooms (pogaxe is optional underplat is not) and make sure you learn the damageless cycles as a bare minimum
subtle glade
Is the cycle in c heart global or proximity based? As in if you are slower in the first part will the second be the same as it would normally be or will it be moved
analog monolith
tfw i do barebones homebrew strats everywhere but dboost cdash cycle
true palm
global on cp, proximity in 1221
subtle glade
I'm glad I'm playing 1221 then
true palm
for 1221, the cycles dont start until you are on the conveyors
analog monolith
isn't it like the set after the climb is prox even on cp?
but on a cycle with itself
true palm
idk for sure, but because at least one is global, i know that they're all effectively global since they overlap into each other
subtle glade
ye im just saying while you're in cpeak, to really learn the rooms (pogaxe is op...
Does fire teach the damageless in his vid?
true palm
ye he should talk about it, (if you're curious about where the cycles start, the triggers are in the foreground if you turn on hitboxes)
basically its walljump less on the conveyors
desert kiln
Whats the nicest inventory drop? I donโt know of all of them, since I havenโt even watched a run of all the categories, but I think my favorite is the watcherโs spire one. And by nicest I mean most fun to do, or the one where you go the fastest
warm silo
so for the split "the beast" what is the trigger called in livesplit
digital jewel
herrah (dreamer)
steady lynx
It should automatically end when you get an ending
warm silo
alright
undone widget
Don't know if this is the correct plase to ask, but im trying to get in to running any% NMG and i don't seem to understand how to down patch on GOG 2.0 anyone that can help me ?
digital jewel
do you own the game on gog
undone widget
i have to re buy it ?
digital jewel
undone widget
i checked out the fireborn video, where it said that the steam downpatching was "outdated so i thought gog was easier to use
stray kestrel
you have to have bougght the game on gog
verbal stag
the steam method shown in the video is outdated, but there is an updated one that works
stray kestrel
did you buy it on steam?
digital jewel
there's a guide pinned in this channel to downpatching
but yes you need to own the game on the platform you're trying to use
undone widget
i have the game on steam, but is there a way to make a second executable so i can still play the game on normal patch with my current save, and have a second launcer for the down patched version , not really that tech savy
undone widget
but how wolde that work, for example as i know any% runs on grim patch, so if i where to launch my save file on the down patched version , where i saved in godhome wolde it just not loade or be corrupted
digital jewel
you don't really want to load your current patch save on an older patch
haughty fossil
solution: dont open cp saves on 1221
digital jewel
so just don't do that
haughty fossil
you can back them up if you really want
undone widget
got it
undone widget
ok so i did my down patching, i think somthing went seriously wrong lmao
true palm
if your games not opening correctly, you most likely didnt download all the files
what is the LAST file in your hollow knight data folder on patch 1221?
undone widget
shaderassets 391.assets.reS
warm silo
shaderassets 391.assets.reS
based upon that information i can now discover your social security number
undone widget
poggers
dry sluice
ok so i did my down patching, i think somthing went seriously wrong lmao
if you say what actually happened someone can help
undone widget
tried re downloding and igot this
nvm its still kinda going, jumped to 25% completion then froze again
ok i got almost everything up and running, my switch pro controler won't register inputs in the downpatched version, even if i launched it through steam
knotty vigil
do i need any key or something to get to the golden husk or do i just walk in
verbal stag
you just walk in
knotty vigil
ok thanks
400+ geo right
i need exactly 400 for the lantern and i can go deepnest already
verbal stag
ok i got almost everything up and running, my switch pro controler won't registe...
pro controller isn't supported on 1221, you have to use a program like joy2key to bind your inputs to keyboard
undone widget
welp that is irretating, is it going to have extra input delay ?
verbal stag
I've used it before and there's no noticeable delay, idk if it's different with hk
undone widget
how do you look up and down on keybord, i know you use right stick on controler , so i know what buttons to map
winter star
ive unlocked all locations in 18hrs, how is that in terms of speedrunning?
stiff delta
i think objectively its about as good as finding all areas in 18hrs
undone widget
I've used it before and there's no noticeable delay, idk if it's different with ...
so how do you tell what button is what button on the contoller is it just "trial and error"
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acoustic sequoia
I'm trying to get into the speedrun and I've been practicing double spike kill for a bit, but it seems like no matter what I do I can't seem to hit the spike fast enough and my angle is always too low. I try to buffer a jump as soon as I land on the platform, and I'm using the setup with the post on the top platform.
i know i killed that aspid slow, i'm also trying to work on that
so is there anything specific I should do or should i just try to practice it for longer?
hot latch
Wait i'm not dumb right? On cp the spike hasn't gone at that angle before is it different between cp and 1221?
acoustic sequoia
i have a clip of me getting double spike on cp and it seemed like it went at a way higher angle
i'll try going slower, it just seems like when i do that they fly out of the way. I think i'm having an issue of finding the right timing, i either go too fast or too slow
hot latch
Yeah that's odd, your setup for the spike kill looks great tho
stiff delta
Watch rhinofeeders guide on it
acoustic sequoia
i did, and also fireborn's that goes over the same method
i don't have a great reaction time, and in fireborn's and rhino's videos it seems like they start to move just before the aspids who up, so i guess i've been trying to do that
frank cobalt
the timing is fairly lenient
acoustic sequoia
i'm sure it just comes down to me needing to practice more, i just don't want to develop muscle memory for the wrong thing and have to relearn it
frank cobalt
you can sit there waiting until you see the aspids spawn in then perform the technique
stiff delta
there he is
frank cobalt
my suggestion is usually to record a clip(s) of yourself and ask people for help based on those
stiff delta
The guide guy
acoustic sequoia
nice guide, by the way
it was really easy to understand, i just need to actually listen to what you're saying
frank cobalt
thanks 
knotty vigil
is it just me or does anyone else think you move abit faster while jumping in hk?
Im new to speedrunning so im still learning the skips and the map itself, but i think once im able to beat steel soul in at least 30 hours i should be ready to speedrun
true palm
before you get trolled, no, jumping does not make you faster (wall jumps give some horizontal acceleration, but go dead even with just walking when you factor in back travel
knotty vigil
before you get trolled, no, jumping does not make you faster (wall jumps give so...
i mean in towns, it feels like im going just abit faster in them while jump running
torpid goblet
It does in towns and in water/acid
knotty vigil
thats what i was thinking
sometimes i see speedrunners in like top 5 or 10 who just dont do that
you could save like 1-2 seconds with that over the whole run
knotty vigil
hm ok i guess i just didnt remember
true palm
forced walking in lemm is not sped up by jumping
knotty vigil
yea because its too small of a room
stark birch
as far as slow walk zones (ie not water), dirtmouth is actually unique in having the jumping exploit work because the slow-walk box doesn't extend a jump height above the ground. Other forced walks like black egg or lemm have proper heights
knotty vigil
ohhh i see
i think it might be fun to speedrun for fun but considering the only reward is fame for reaching #1 and pride i think it might just be a hobby for me
true palm
most people do it as a hobby
knotty vigil
yea
true palm
you can find a lot of satisfaction particularly from labbing old/misc categories
knotty vigil
hm
true palm
i'm fairly bad at the game, but just by labbing out low% for instance i got a solid time
knotty vigil
pog!
fallen forum
i get the impression that anyone who gets into speedrunning just for fame doesnt last all that long
but speedrunning is super fun
true palm
^
knotty vigil
i didnt get to see for myself
but i do like replaying the game and seeing how fast i can go
but whenever it gets competitive i dont like it
true palm
you're unlikely to get famous from speedrunning in any community, and you'll find that a lot of the more watched runners, and popular ones, arent necessarily the fastest/best runners. Fame has a lot to do with how you interact in the community
knotty vigil
yea
true palm
and its not something to strive for, or you'll be unhappy
regardless, while its competitive, it doesnt mean its not supportive
knotty vigil
i know its just i dont like the idea of people fighting for a certain role
seems to much like hunting for food in a forest turning into a desert
true palm
theres a lot of teamwork, and collaboration, and the competition for #1 is often quite cooperative
knotty vigil
thats not the case with other speedrunning communities tho
true palm
most people would be happy to get records bopped, as a lot of people care about the group effort
knotty vigil
i can tell you that lol
true palm
this communities got the advantage of being larger
molten aurora
Very late to he convo, but I can confirm, it never feels like we're fighting to be the best, we're all just pushing each other to do better
molten aurora
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knotty vigil
oh oops sorry
subtle glade
I feel I'm getting some freeze frames when hitting birds, why could that be?
Maybe not freeze frames but way more particles than when I watch speedruns on yt
onyx spade
birds freezing your game is the 1221 experience
onyx spade
1221 is poorly optimised, if you computer isn't great this will happen
molten aurora
Unfortunately. Along with hitting half of the object in the entire game.
subtle glade
My computer is a beast
subtle glade
Unfortunately. Along with hitting half of the object in the entire game.
Does it lose time?
molten aurora
I'm gonna say it does lose time, but very little, because it slows the game down briefly.
subtle glade
Alright, so I can go around slashing all the monuments I want without losing time? Just making sure
onyx spade
goose while you're here, I'm still waiting for that LBC run ๐
molten aurora
Normally background objects are okay, but just upslash everything, you get knocked back from weird things sometimes otherwise.
I was away for the whole weekend, only got home a few hours ago, time to learn it
subtle glade
Also, I'll record a king's pass in a sec, I want to know if the time I lose is just movement optimizations or if I'm doing something wrong
onyx spade
sounds good
onyx spade
will just say that don't expect to get the same KP times that top runners get, I've been running for a few weeks now and still am consistently 1 sec behind top times
goose, check quack's meme spreadsheet, it's pinned in misc runs nmg. there are two runs, homothety's on 1221, and mine on CP
molten aurora
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that channel exists.
onyx spade
forgetting about the best channel 
molten aurora
Honestly, considering the amount of meme stuff I do, it should be the best channel.
I don't remember the last time I practiced something for main cats.
onyx spade
I thought you were an all skills runner lol
molten aurora
Well, technically, it's just the only thing I've ever submitted.
I haven't even attempted a run in over a week now.
subtle glade
Took me a while to get a good one, it's even a gold
But a high 52 is still the fastest I can do
digital jewel
Kp is mostly movement optimisations. Turning around fast, chaining jumps correctly etc.
subtle glade
But is there anything I'm doing wrong in this kp or is it only movement?
onyx spade
try buffering your jumps on the turnarounds, I noticed for all 3 turnarounds you pause on the platform for a brief amount
also getting better rng for the first vengefly
limpid ruin
(frame forwarding in discord is 
so excuse the scr.shot timings)
but here is an example of unoptimal movement in KP. You pretty far in on the platform, but your goal is to land as close to the edge as possible so you can buffer and turnaround immediately
ie. what quatopine said
subtle glade
Time the jumps better, and buffer to turn around faster, gotcha
limpid ruin
its small of course, but just being aware of all small details like this turnaround will just naturally lead you to improve them over time as you get better fine control of the knight
also low fps? the vengeflies are very slow 
onyx spade
also wanna say, don't worry about 1 sec lost in Kp, when there's probs a lot of timesave/timeloss in watchers, THK, etc
subtle glade
I know I know, but I was thinking if there's something I'm doing wrong then I might as well fix it, but if it's just movement optimization then I guess it will come over time
limpid ruin
otherwise there is a faster softfall setup where you nail the ceiling to make the smol hop even smaller, but significantly tighter, and you couldve used nail earlier on the breakable floor planks at the end
but honestly a very very very good fundament
worry about the rest of the run for now and return to kp when youre chasing that KP wr 
lets just say i spent a good couple months before i could 52 at all ๐ฅด
onyx spade
good KP times will come over time, it took me a few weeks to go from consistent 59s to consistent low 58s (on current patch)
not something you need to focus onn
limpid ruin
not even consistent 56 quato?
subtle glade
I started learning the speedrun like a month ago, but don't worry, I usually get like 53.3s
onyx spade
I have literally never gotten a 56 cerpin
limpid ruin
53.3s is better than needed for literally all NMG categories
so you good af
@ quato same but with 50.xx. And even just low 51.xx
dreamy bough
computer perf plays for 1221 kp too, like hubibubi i see your kp and my first thought is like "wtf your menus are so fast" ;-;
subtle glade
What do you mean?
limpid ruin
jenkar is a victim of 1028 menus, and also a slow computer 
subtle glade
Ah, makes sense
onyx spade
1028 menus are slower? TIL
subtle glade
also low fps? the vengeflies are very slow <:MyArms:546755243862654977>
Might be mod api+debug+benchwarp? idk
normal aspen
1028 is from when tc couldn't optimise their way out of a wet paper bag
limpid ruin
nah, api and debug improve performance if anything
subtle glade
Or maybe the 20 chrome tabs I have open, could be anything really
Sorry, forgot about my other desktop, closer to 40 chrome tabs
onyx spade
vengefly speed is also RNG (at least I think)
limpid ruin
yea, its rng, but these both looked to peak at slow after accelerating already
you can see well on the second one
molten aurora
Alright, after watching homothety's LBC run, I'm a lot less terrified of the run, the ending is still spooky though.
onyx spade
btw, my run has a shorter king's brand to LBC time than homothety's if you wanna watch that as well
mainly just a cleaner LBC room
subtle glade
What's LBC?
onyx spade
lifeblood core
subtle glade
Is it a category?
onyx spade
anything can be a category
subtle glade
Hollow knight wayward compass%?
onyx spade
it's an unofficial category (not on src), only me and homethety have done runs
limpid ruin
also, i noticed something that makes me say: may i point you towards 
#resources message
#resources message
theyre updated api and debug for 1221
they nice
ifl56
normal aspen
If you want a really cool mem3 cat to run you should look into bestgirl%
molten aurora
I tried somni, I still never finished the ismas skip 
onyx spade
if I run bestgirl% I'm probs getting dreamgate
normal aspen
Why tho?
normal aspen
The soul collection bit is super free with my strat so u aren't at any risk of dying and it's quicker than dgating
Once 1.5 has autosplitter cerp
normal aspen
Free dashmaster
onyx spade
guess I'll try learning that soul collection strat then
limpid ruin
gitting gud is also free dashmaster ๐ค
limpid ruin
eh fair
digital jewel
as cerpin said, every time you have a bad turnaround like this you lose time from having to travel the extra distance twice
limpid ruin
(i love your "hand" writing xero)
digital jewel
this is a really bad spawn from the vengefly and probably lost you 0.4 or so just here
you want to land on the platform here sooner so you can start your jump sooner
normal aspen
Yeah that's like worst possible spawn
limpid ruin
Just it plus everything else is pretty fucked
if it makes you feel better i am consciously learning flower quest with pogo strats bc it feels so frickn good to do properly with dash-master. A bit like bottom plat double spike
digital jewel
also you can go quite a bit earlier on the breakable ceiling here. look at all this extra height you could have gotten for free
limpid ruin
genuinely thinking WP with dashmaster strats
limpid ruin
also you can go quite a bit earlier on the breakable ceiling here. look at all t...
also here I like pogoing way further right to make sure I dont have to travel the same distance twice, like you mentioned with the yump turnarounds
digital jewel
you can improve your time by over a second just with these small optimisations and better rng
getting a low 51 or a 50 is a lot harder, but getting mid 51 is as low as you need to go for anything
I'd only recommend practicing kp as a way to get better at general movement
limpid ruin
you dont really need better than 52 either, tbf. I'd 100% argue suboptimal movement with more skills (dash, wings, cdash, claw, etc) loses more time than suboptimal itemless movement
subtle glade
Thank you xero, your drawn analisys of what I'm doing always helps a lot
noble sapphire
How I find speedrunning route I am new to this
onyx spade
check the guides section on speedrun.com
molten aurora
Thank you hornet for the 15+ parries in this fight, I really appreciate it 
molten aurora
I'm fairly consistent at 5hp now, so when I have 7 in a run, I should feel a lot safer.
Totally haven't been procrastinating the jonis dark room this whole time though
onyx spade
I can teach you dark joni's if you want
steady lynx
What are you running?
molten aurora
I should be okay, I'll let you know if I really struggle with it though.
Lifeblood core.
limpid ruin
quality ai. love me some parries, and throw in some of those dmg tank or stare silkballs in between, preferably inside the wall for maximum double hits 
molten aurora
Yeah, I just like the H2 fight, and LBC seems to have the lowest equipment for her. Base vs and nothing else
onyx spade
lifeblood core is one my fav cats
limpid ruin
base vs, dash, no shaman?
onyx spade
though marissa has surpassed it
molten aurora
No shaman.
onyx spade
also cerpin while you're here, just got a 57.0 KP, so close to the 56
steady lynx
You skip wings right
limpid ruin
paaaiiin to do that no shaman
molten aurora
It's kinda fun honestly.
limpid ruin
quato lfg 
molten aurora
I actually really like nail only H2, but there's no reason to ever do that in a run.
normal aspen
nice quato, consistent 56 kp is really solid so thats pretty good
onyx spade
spelless TE peepoArrive
yeah after looking at xero's drawings I instantly started getting consistent 57s
molten aurora
Please don't tell me spelless TE is a thing?
normal aspen
cp also has a lot of rng on the fiorst vengefly
onyx spade
spelless TE is indeed a thing and it is glorious
and very cursed
featuring nail only markoth, marmu, H2, radiance ๐
molten aurora
Ewwwww. What nail does it get? No way you're fighting FC and radiance with nail 0.
molten aurora
Okay, Not tooooo bad, but still cursed as heck.
steady lynx
Just overcharm fury
steady lynx
There's a lot of categories where overcharm would be optimal but will never be done
digital jewel
I made magic drawings
steady lynx
112 overcharm twister, child and shaman from getting grimmchild to after grimm when?
molten aurora
Speaking of fury, I'm kinda surprised it isn't used in any%, between FK and hornet I figure it'd save time, but smarter people than me have probably already timed it.