speedrunning

[frank cobalt]

I'll just keep inventory dropping there

[hearty adder]

Cursed subpixel shit

[haughty fossil]

i mean i do inv cancel for rng hardfall in kp and it kind of works

[hearty adder]

Most of the time if I go for hardfall cancel in that spot I end up just getting softfall

I'd rather go for it and hope for the best

[frank cobalt]

cp runner talk peepoLeave

[twin swallow]

yeah we don't really know why you sometimes hardfall there

[frank cobalt]

(j/k I love you all I'm just being silly)

[twin swallow]

viitor and I threw some different movements around but nothing conclusive was found

he seemed convinced it was seeded somehow, and that if you got softfall, you were more likely to get it again in the same session

"can't stop doing runs or I lose the free softfall RNG"

[tough frost]

:hollowD:

[hallow orchid]

Rhino I think the best thing there is to open inventory, immediately close it and move left

That's what 1221 4ms does

[frank cobalt]

agreed

hey Mathulu, you have insanely good game knowledge, do you have any explanation for the conveyor belt wcs I'm getting up above?

[hallow orchid]

I watched that and have no idea honestly

[stiff delta]

Ive started just going for rng softfall exclusively now

in kp

I mean if i miss it and everything else is fine than its not too bad, but if i hit it then big timesave

[viral charm]

hi uh, I'm new to hk speedrunning and was wondering if there are any good resources for beginning NMG

[stiff delta]

Pins

[viral charm]

whops, probably should have checked that, thanks!

[frank cobalt]

no worries - let us know if you have any trouble finding what you're looking for 🙂

[viral charm]

whats the best platform to speedrun on?

[frank cobalt]

PC without a doubt

[viral charm]

I play switch mostly so that might take some getting used to

[frank cobalt]

switch is rough because it's locked at 60fps

and framerate makes a massive difference in the physics and mechanics of this game

[viral charm]

is lower framerate better so you can see more things faster?

[frank cobalt]

the opposite

lower framerates will drop inputs like crazy

[viral charm]

makes sense, I think thats how it works in mario kart, thats just where I got it from

[hearty adder]

Usually when on pc people cap the game at 200/300fps

[viral charm]

is there a setting to cap it or a mod?

[cyan vortex]

you can use rivatuner

[kind flume]

i used nvidia control panel when i capped

also you can use the in-game option, but it'd default to 400, and you need to change an .ini config file for other values

[hot latch]

My guess would be that the conveyor belt itself is the same as the ones used on the walls that go up and down and you kept some sort of wcs after you touched the side (you walked off really slowly due to the belt movement so you may have been closer to the edge walking off and touched it by a pixel) idk that's just my guess but it could be anything

[viral charm]

is there a way to map the input buttons onto a controller for switch button mapping?

[subtle glade]

You mean on switch? I don't really understand what you're saying

On PC you can use joy2key or steam controller support, idk if you can change the mappings on switch outside of the game

@viral charm

[viral charm]

I mean if you are on pc then you use controller and map the buttons to the switch inputs

I play on switch so it'd be nice to have that inputs on pc

[rugged crow]

No

[dull lion]

You can use controller on pc yes

[subtle glade]

Alright, going back to the watcher knight farming, wish me luck

[dull lion]

If that’s what their asking, it’s very wordy

[rugged crow]

They're asking if you could use keyboard for switch

[dull lion]

Oh yeah you can’t do that

[viral charm]

no im asking if you can play on pc and use the switch button mapping

sorry im not good at explaining this

like if you were to play on pc, and have a controller where if you press A vengeful spirit spawns

[dull lion]

You can use joy to key to use a switch controller to play pc hollow knight

Yeah you can do that just fine

A lot of speedrunners use controller

[digital jewel]

yes you can remap buttons on pc

[subtle glade]

You can just do that in hk settings

[viral charm]

oh nice, ty for help!

[dull lion]

If you downpatch you need to use joytokey for anything that isn’t Xbox

[subtle glade]

Or steam controller

I think

I would recommend using steam controller support to remap inventory to something easier to press, like LB

[rugged crow]

I cant read ig, I thought you were asking how to send pc inputs to a switch 🥴

[stiff delta]

I bind inventory to the x button on a pro controller

[subtle glade]

I thought that too at first lol

[viral charm]

can you connect any controller or just xbox

[stiff delta]

Stuff below lifeblood update doesn’t have native controller support outside of xbox, idk about playstation controllers tho

[subtle glade]

Anything works, but only xbox has native support, so you will need something like joytokey or steam controller support

[stiff delta]

All i can say off the top of my head it pro controller does not work with pre lifeblood

[subtle glade]

I can say xbox series x doesn't work without steam support

[viral charm]

isnt pre lifeblood the one that most speedrunners use for NMG?

[hot latch]

yup

[subtle glade]

Yes, 1.2.2.1

[viral charm]

so would it be more difficult to use a non xbox controller?

or not possible

[hot latch]

On 1.2.2.1?

[subtle glade]

Are you playing from steam?

[viral charm]

is that the only way to play on pc?

[subtle glade]

No, but it's the easiest

[stiff delta]

Easiest way to play 1221 is to play it on gog imo

[viral charm]

I mean I laready have steam so yeah I guess

[stiff delta]

Easiest downpatch of my life

[subtle glade]

If you have hollow knight on steam check this in the controller settings

[stiff delta]

Steam version isnt hard though, its just a little more complex

[subtle glade]

Well downpatching is much harder on steam, but controller support is better

[stuck raptor]

1221 was before the switch version existed, so no pro controller support at all. you'll have to use a controller to keyboard mapping program to use it

[subtle glade]

Or steam controller support no?

[stiff delta]

Switch isnt real on 1221

[stuck raptor]

If you're lucky enough to get that to work, sure. Don't think i've heard any success on that front tho

[stiff delta]

A switched up switch is still switch

[subtle glade]

Well my controller didn't work at first for 1.2.2.1, with steam support it does

So I'd guess that'll work

[stiff delta]

Do you use switch pro?

[subtle glade]

No I don't

But I just guess if steam controller support can revive my controller in 1.2.2.1, then it should be able to do that with others

[stuck raptor]

which controller

PS?

[subtle glade]

Nah xbox x, idk why it doesn't work without support ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull lion]

My Xbox x has always worked without steam. That’s odd. Are you on windows?

[subtle glade]

Yep, I'm on windows

But now that I check it it works without support, so I guess it was some other trouble I fixed along the way that caused this, huh

[stiff delta]

isnt that whacky

[subtle glade]

Getting distracted, I have some round bouncy knights to kill

[elfin vortex]

yknow that grub next to ss which has the winged sentry next to it? Has it (if so why) been changed in the 112 route to be done while going to dung defender?

[empty linden]

does the greenpath baldur quick kill only work in 1.2.2.1

[elfin vortex]

dont know which patch they got rid of it but yh its not doable in cp

[empty linden]

ok thanks

[hallow orchid]

It's faster to do on the way to dung defender because you have to wait for the elevator to pass anyway

It's very minor though

[elfin vortex]

ah ok

[subtle glade]

Hey, last time this helped a lot, what am I doing wrong? https://youtu.be/2NpT6uvOieE

I feel like I'm doing better, but I always take some damage along the way in some stupid ways and die after the first 3 knights

[kind flume]

I feel like the mistakes you made were not a consequence of your overall strategy, just failing to react in time or maybe not seeing in time what one of the knights is doing

are there any of those hits you took that you feel like you couldn't have avoided if put into the same situation agian?

[strong vessel]

Your first knight looks really good!

[subtle glade]

Thanks, it took a while

[strong vessel]

For the two at once

You kind of just have to know what's safe to do?

And when you can go for more damage

Another thing that might help a bit: I like to always have one extra cast of soul at all times, either for a double/triple on the roll attack or to heal once if you kill one of them

[subtle glade]

I feel like I could have dodged the first hit by seeing that the left knight was rolling and not dropping down for the fireball, second by pogoing twice, third by timing my pogos better, fourth by only fireballing once not twice, and the last one by pogoing that knight

[strong vessel]

That healing can make the difference, and even if it's a little slower than using the soul for a fireball, it's better than dying

[kind flume]

I think that's a good assessment, and it sounds like you know what you're doing wrong. Then it's only practice with purpose that remains 👍

[subtle glade]

Btw does using savestates mess with the save timer somehow?

[kind flume]

save timer?

[vital geyser]

if you mean game time then yes

[subtle glade]

yes, I ment game timer

ok thanks

[vital geyser]

atleast thats from my own experiences

[subtle glade]

I thought it was unlikely that I was only practising wk for only 1.5h lol

[vital geyser]

mhm

[subtle glade]

I think I've got them down to like 1/5

Also, do fireballs disappear when they leave the screen?

[strong vessel]

Just past it I believe

That's why the baldur quick kill works

[frank obsidian]

[hearty stone]

any reliable strats for explosion pogo on the newest version?

[stiff delta]

Comfypogo

@ math send link im lazy

[ionic cargo]

this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM

[stiff delta]

That one

Thanks zenith

My favorite sword in terraria

[ionic cargo]

np

[frank obsidian]

Because tis the best

[elfin vortex]

when making a src guide if I wanted to attach an example vid/gif would I just paste the vid/gif url in?

[stiff delta]

Probably

[strong vessel]

Also, does anybody know how to make the map thingies

[stiff delta]

Im pretty sure there was a tool for it but i dont remember where it was

Probably in resources

[elfin vortex]

cool thx

[peak marsh]

When is the hit race today

[deep apex]

What’s a good charm build for running p1/p2?

[elfin vortex]

depends on how your gonna approach the fights imo

[deep apex]

Okay, is there a way to check what charms people were using on the SRC leaderboard?

[frank obsidian]

Fireside Bub PSA: GH% is cursed

[elfin vortex]

their builds are normally in the vids description from what I see

[deep apex]

Thanks, I’ll check

[shut beacon]

where can i go to watch the all skills races?

[short spire]

http://schedule.speedgaming.org/hkas/

[shut beacon]

thanks : )

arnt u doing the race?

[short spire]

yeah i have a race in about an hour

[subtle glade]

Good luck then ax

[shut beacon]

yea thats the one iwanted to watch

[short spire]

thanks

[shut beacon]

good luck , hope u win lol

[short spire]

theres another race going on right now too so you could check that out as well

[steady lynx]

Monstah vs Ax is pretty much the race of the bracket despite that it doesn't matter for standings

[subtle glade]

What time zone are the race times in?

[peak marsh]

ax vs monstah is 21/9PM CET right?

[peak marsh]

edt

[steady lynx]

Gotta root for Sweden though

Go Ax

[true palm]

doesnt hkas schedule automatically change it to your timezone?

[peak marsh]

no

[subtle glade]

If it does it doesn't work for me

[true palm]

oh ye nvm i was thinking of something else

no its edt on there

[subtle glade]

So ax's race is in an hour and 10 minutes? I think I'll come and watch

I only know the any% route but I think it will be cool to look at how all skills looks like

[stiff delta]

All skills is like any% but you get all of the skills instead

[true palm]

its like any%, but then theres some detours after mantis claw

[strong vessel]

106% is like any% but you get the rest of the percent too

[true palm]

low% is like any% but you get less of the percent

[steady lynx]

True Ending is like any% but we kill the Radiance

[hearty adder]

low% is like 112% but the complete opposite

[true palm]

low% is like all skills but instead its no skills

[hearty adder]

you get no skills with all skill 😤

[steady lynx]

I can confirm, I've ran all skills and I have no skills

[stiff delta]

4ms% is like low% but not fun

[hallow orchid]

ACN is like 112% except we get one extra notch

[steady lynx]

Otherwise identical?

[last inlet]

pretty sure that's the only difference

[steady lynx]

Impressive that getting that notch saves two and a half hours

[last inlet]

yeah they should try getting that notch in 112

[true palm]

its just what happens when you really optimize a popular category like acn

[steady lynx]

Someone should tell monstah

[ebon nexus]

How I do to make my Pro controller work on 1.2.2.1

[subtle glade]

Joytokey is probably the answer

[ebon nexus]

ok, I downloaded it, but I don't know how to use. Is there any video that I can watch?

[subtle glade]

Honestly I never used it myself, but you bind the buttons on a controller to keyboard keys

Default are like arrows are moving, z is jump, x is hit, c is dash, s is cdash, that's all I remember

I don't play much on keyboard either

[ebon nexus]

tks

[peak marsh]

complete opposite of 112% is probably all glitches any% which gets like 1%

[subtle glade]

By the way I wanted to record another failed wk, but I did it

But the question is still the same, what could I have done better? https://youtu.be/yCBXUzCE6n0

[meager current]

4ms is like any% but entirely different

[subtle glade]

Ignore the stuff after the watcher fight please, I forgot to stop recording

[elfin vortex]

I dont run any so I dont do the hard wk fight but only things I can think of are being more spacialy aware cuz u got hit a couple times which was avoidable, not accidentally reacting wrongly as u dashed away in the beginning while he was swinging and maybe trying to hit both knights when releasing a fireball. Dont know if what im pointing out/suggesting is decent advice but yh

[peak sable]

neck and neck

[ebon nexus]

How can I make liveSplit transparent?

[knotty vigil]

Make the background a solid color and then chroma key it out on obs

Any color that you won't have on the livesplit works, I use dark blue personally

[royal whale]

i want to create a new catagorie that i can't participate in which is making a godseeker or i forgot the name file and getting the embrace the void ending

[haughty fossil]

you may be interested in pantheon IL speedruns

pantheons are already kind of covered by 112 and generally i believe the consensus is having to do p1-4 then p5 is one of the least nice parts of the category

[subtle glade]

ax is on wr pace rn

For anyone who might not be watching

[native cypress]

hi guys, i don't know where else to ask but, my livesplit won't be on top of my game

how do i change that ?

[subtle glade]

Are you from steam?

[native cypress]

ye

[subtle glade]

Livesplit doesn't display over fullscreen

[native cypress]

it did for my first run, not even a month ago

[subtle glade]

Go to game properties and in the launcher type -popupwindow

Then change hk to windowed in the settings I think

And you'll get borderless fullscreen, and it should work

[native cypress]

nice it works that way indeed

no idea why it worked without that manipulation the first time

but thanks

[silver reef]

is there a link to a good all skills route that doesnt do shade skip?

[snow dome]

Not really

Are you struggling with it?

The alternative would be to go and get tram Pass and continue the same run from there. You could obviously do a lot of changing of other stuff also, but that skip is the single biggest time save in almost every run it's in.

[verbal stag]

there's a current patch route that's a bit slower but doesnt do shade skip

[silver reef]

where can i find that?

[verbal stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVzK8PuXh88 is the fastest run with it I believe

[silver reef]

cool, thanks

[snow dome]

Huh, CP all skills doesn't shade skip?

[digital jewel]

the fastest route does tami

[verbal stag]

the fastest route does

[digital jewel]

but there's an alternate route that doesn't

[stark birch]

there have been several cp as reroutes that don't, none have quite developed the legs to compete with the shade skip

but they're only on the order of 10-30s slower optimally

[hallow orchid]

and they are also 10-30x more fun, optimally

[stark birch]

even suboptimally I was having at least 10x the fun because

[steady lynx]

The main loss of that route is having to kill FK

[stark birch]

but also to circle back to the point; the shade skip is far and away not the hardest trick in All Skills -- there are two required darkrooms and two required acid skips that ALL routes must do, and depending on which route you're going with either additionally a required spike tunnel towards Isma's Grove or a required aspid pogo up to the second Hornet fight

so if you're looking to avoid technical movement altogether unfortunately the answer is likely to be either practice a bunch or look for a different run. If you're just looking to run a category on steel soul or otherwise without shade skips, run emilitia route, though. 🙂

[vague jolt]

Which are the two required dark rooms?

[shut beacon]

the one for D dark and the deepnest rooms

[vague jolt]

Deepnest is 3 rooms 😤

[leaden python]

@silver reef This one is faster actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhtI_2FIAaM

[ebon nexus]

What the fuck is wrong with my controller? Like I don't even touch him but all button are being "pressed" at the same time

Anyone knows why?

JoyToKey has the same bug

[leaden python]

are they actually read as being pressed in the game or it's only like that in these programs?

[ebon nexus]

Only like that in these programs

[leaden python]

I see, I don't exactly know how to set them up unfortunately though

[prime python]

Hey, so I've been thinking, and theoratically, would it not be faster to get the dashmaster charm before you go and get the mantis claw?
This is also not for any% or any category where you get the shaman stone, but it kinda seems like it would be faster.
I know you would be wasting a lot of time getting it, but would the time not make it up afterwards?

[dry sluice]

any% nmms gets it

it usually isn't worth for most categories though

[last inlet]

for categories that already get dashmaster (and apparently any nmms) it's useful to equip

but takes too much time to get in the majority of cases

[ebon nexus]

😦 apparently nobody knows. I've asked a lot of people but no one knows

[leaden python]

might just generally search for documentation then

[prime python]

hmm ok

[snow dome]

If you're not doing epogo, Dashmaster will add like... 30s?

For any given NMG route.

If you're really good you could overcharm it

Sounds spicy as heck

[dry sluice]

I mean then you're also losing time to not doing epogo + the 30s detour

[prime python]

i feel like watcher knights would be impossible if you overcharm in any%

[last inlet]

also impractical in any nmg since 3 damage tanks from uumuu-herrah

[snow dome]

Yeah, I meant in a sense of "You're not doing it anyway"

[last inlet]

even if faster, it'd be way too risky for most people to consider

[snow dome]

With new epogo it's much harder to justify at this point, too.

And yeah, without overcharming you would need to do something like Salubra notch + Shroomals?

[last inlet]

yeah would be very slow

[snow dome]

Probably 1m30s at an absolute push

[last inlet]

since 5 charms for salubra lol

[prime python]

oooh right i forgot about epogo lol i never do that cuz i cant get it consistently lol

[last inlet]

20-25ish for ogres

a couple for soul catcher

2 more charms

like 20-30s for fury?

[snow dome]

Catcher, Shaman, Steady Body, Dashmaster

Yeah, you'd need to route in an extra charm. You get 90g from Shroomals

[dry sluice]

I mean if you're not going to overcharm you'd definitely just take it off for the sections you don't want to be overcharmed, not get extra notches

[snow dome]

Either way, very slow

[last inlet]

yeah that'd be much better but still rough

losing wayyyy too much time to epogo

[prime python]

yeah forgot about that..

[deep apex]

does livesplit autosplit for pantheon ILs or do you have to start and stop it manually

[snow dome]

You will need to start it manually

[deep apex]

when do you start it?

[snow dome]

But there are splits for the final boss

During the load into the first boss

[last inlet]

endtriggering autosplit for finish on last autosplit

[deep apex]

im doing p2, do I have to program in sheo or will it detect it automatically

[snow dome]

Also you need to have ordered splits ticked

[deep apex]

k, thank you

[snow dome]

Yeah you can just have Sheo as your only split

[prime python]

but wait does epogo still work on current patch

because the current patch runs would maybee work with it? idk

[leaden python]

yes, we have many version of CP epogo available, but most people go for this on PC these days: https://youtu.be/bYsRWyHjcmM

[last inlet]

yeah

[prime python]

oh wow

[digital jewel]

I believe it's best to go to dashmaster after claw

and it loses around 35s to do so

[prime python]

ah yeah haven't thought about that

[subtle glade]

Xero are you running all skills tomorrow or is it some other xero I don't know?

[digital jewel]

hmm

yeah that's me

[analog monolith]

is it faster to get the wj above mantis or below hornet

or is it worth it to even consider the one in gp

[digital jewel]

above mantis village

[subtle glade]

Then good luck on the race, I'll come watch if I don't forget

[shut beacon]

when would be the best time to route in abyss shreik into a TE run

right now ive been getting wraths after ummu and shriek after voidheard

but is there a better place?

[digital jewel]

shriek before void heart you mean

[shut beacon]

sorry yea

[digital jewel]

and by wraiths after uumuu, you mean after no eyes as well?

dg out of no eyes, get wraiths and use shade cloak entrance to queens gardens

[shut beacon]

yep , ive really missaid this

yeh ur right

i was getting wrathes after mantis claw but that felt really slow

[digital jewel]

yeah that is really slow

[shut beacon]

so is what im doing now good? cos i dont think im good enough yet to do radience withoute abyss shreik

[digital jewel]

yeah that's good

[knotty vigil]

Getting shriek is like 2 minutes slower, definitely worth it if it prevents a radiance death

[shut beacon]

oki thanks

[digital jewel]

yeah basically what doveless said

[shut beacon]

yeh i might try redo the fight on a old run to see if i can do it with just shade soul

[dry sluice]

I was about to say its likely more than that since any% nmms is 30s but then I remembered you have dash there in nmg

[ebon nexus]

Anyone knows what files make Pro Controller work on 1.4? If I get this works and paste them on my 1.2.2.1 version it will work?

[hearty adder]

pro controller works by default on 1432 iirc

[dry sluice]

I can't imagine that'd work and modifying your game wouldn't be allowed anyway

[ebon nexus]

I can't make it work on 1.2.2.1, like I have downloaded 2 programs, I have tried to make it work by steam. And it doesnt work

[hearty adder]

if you're having issues with it as previously stated, you may need to just dig up more documentation about what could be the root of the problem

i haven't seen anyone else on pro controller bring up these problems with so many alternatives (joy2key, steam controller support, etc), so maybe it's a problem with your controller itself? hopefully not though

[ebon nexus]

I dont think so, cuz it works perfectly fine on 1432

[hearty adder]

would you like me to dm you to try to help with joy2key? you mentioned trying to make it work before

[ebon nexus]

Yeah i'd like

[true palm]

it should work with steam, if joy2key doesnt work, assuming you have switch support enabled, you'll need 1221 in your steam common folder

you'll just need to rename the folders

and you cant launch from the executable

you have to launch from steam

(or the steam shortcut)

steam overlay should be popping up in the bottom right

if steam overlays not popping up you launched it wrong or its in the wrong folder/named wrong, and if steam overlay pops up your settings are wrong in steam/controller doesnt work

for reference what steam controller support does is just convert your controller input into xinput which is supported in any game that supports controllers

[ebon nexus]

Ok steam overlay pops up and still not works

These r my settings

I saw in a steam forum that when u r using via usb the pro controller does not work well, maybe is that. I'll try to find my bluetooth usb

sorry for bothering u guys with these questions

[fierce egret]

new pb

[elfin vortex]

Why do people when fighting an elder baldur shoot two fireballs, kill a baldur and then fire two more instead of firing 3, baldur and firing 1 more?

[onyx spade]

it's to do with the stagger animation, you can fit 2 fireballs in one stagger

but a 3rd fireball will stagger a second time

[elfin vortex]

Ah ok

[deep apex]

FIRST P2 RUN DOWN YEAH

[frank obsidian]

hey

lets talk about speedrunning

please

i need an outlet right now

[molten aurora]

What are your main runs atm fluffy?

[frank obsidian]

aluba% is fun and short

i sometimes do 4ms

Elderbug% is nice but long because i m bad

[molten aurora]

I've been practicing aluba%, I swear the hardest part of the run is hitting that damned aluba at the end.

[frank obsidian]

I tried my own CP AS route but Hornet 2 was like

[onyx spade]

hornet 2 is hardest part of AS

[frank obsidian]

yes

[molten aurora]

When you actually get good and you can bully hornet in a corner, it feels really good.

I really like the h2 fight, so I've practiced it for more than 20 hours by now.

[onyx spade]

well goose, if you like the h2 fight, may I suggest shriek% or lifeblood core%

both featuring low gear H2

[frank obsidian]

nu

h2 is

low gear at least

[molten aurora]

As long as I have vs I'll be fine.

But how low gear?

[onyx spade]

for shriek you have shamans and wraiths, for LBC you have base vs and 2 blue hearts

[frank obsidian]

How do u fireball aluba bc everyone when they see my runs or i talk about them are just like "smh u stupid idiot just shoot a fireball" and I dont know how to do it, as in when and where to shoot it

[vital geyser]

after you pogo on the moss knight you are at the right height

[frank obsidian]

no matter how far it goes? it being abuba

[molten aurora]

In my first rando I did it with nail 0 vs and no shamans, 2 extra blue hearts will be easy

[vital geyser]

idk. i dont run aluba% but i usually pogo then dash fireball. you might be able to just pogo fireball though

[molten aurora]

Oh also, cp fireballs not going offscreen could be an issue.

[vital geyser]

oh yeah are you cp or 1221

[onyx spade]

on CP, you probs wanna pogo, dash at full height of pogo, then fireball

[frank obsidian]

cp

[vital geyser]

im cp

ok so yeah do the dash unless you see the aluba on screen which has happened to me once

[frank obsidian]

So IK I already posted this a day or 2 ago but nobody ever told me what happened or how to avoid it

sorry if im annoying

i get that a lot

[molten aurora]

Question about no shaman hornet 2, is it just almost impossible to double hit her? I only got 1 double hit the whole fight, where the first hit of my vs staggered and then hit again.

Or am I just too used shade soul + shaman

[onyx spade]

you can double without shaman's, when she dashes back

try doing a little jump before the vs, seems to make the double more likely

[molten aurora]

Yep, I was just about to say that, I was getting much better doubles on the 2nd try.

Yeah, I always do that little jump.

2nd try had 1 heal in it, I need to get better at dodging over a much longer fight.

[onyx spade]

yeah you really have to focus on dodging since it's quite a long fight

[strong vessel]

For aluba%, as long as you dash through the room as fast as possible, it'll always be on the near end of the lake

You kind of just jump, dash, pogo the moss knight, dash again, and fireball

Try it a few times and you'll see what I mean

It's consistent

[molten aurora]

Oh wait, I haven't been giving myself the 2 lifeblood hearts, that'll make the fight so much easier.

Actually kinda wanna run lifecore% now, this fight is really fun with low gear.

[onyx spade]

I should warn you, the H2 is only a 3rd of the run

there is also dark joni's and going around the map without getting hit

[molten aurora]

Wait, dark jonis sounds horrible.

[onyx spade]

it's not that bad

[normal aspen]

It's claw cloak dark jonis right?

[strong vessel]

Dark Joni's just doesn't seem fun

[tawny rain]

Aye

[strong vessel]

It's such a long room

[onyx spade]

yeah claw cloak

[tawny rain]

Speed running is fun

[deep apex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd5-2SqEma0&ab_channel=Sqidl yay, my run is uploaded

Now I just gotta wait for approval

I'm a noob and I healed for oblobbles and sheo lol

I'm gonna keep practicing though

[onyx spade]

I love the thumbnail

[deep apex]

yeah lol, I drew it in ms paint in a minute

[frank obsidian]

guys what was this

[carmine sonnet]

Hi guys! Sorry if this is explained anywhere, I couldn't find it. Is there any shared dreamgate.dat file for any %? Thx! 😅

[molten aurora]

I did the fight hitless

Might be time to learn dark joni.

[onyx spade]

nice job goose!

I never managed to do it hitless lol

here's a clip of dark joni's btw

[molten aurora]

I did play one needle throw a little scared, I cleared out spiky balls instead of going for the nail hits.

[onyx spade]

yeah I always clear out the spiky balls as they spawn

[molten aurora]

I too enjoy 30 second dark rooms.

[frank obsidian]

Dank Deebnest

[molten aurora]

I usually pretty good at getting them as I fb hornet, but there was like 10 on screen and I got spooked.

Deepnest isn't bad, that looks scary as heck though, with all those enemies in that room.

Vengeflys taking their revenge

[frank obsidian]

Mosscreeps and Mossflys are great for speebrun pogos

[molten aurora]

Is there a video explaining jonis, or will I just need to practice it with the lights on till I can do it in the dark?

[onyx spade]

just pogo dash over and over again and hope for the best

I can explain it in vc if you want

[stark birch]

(also if you want to do the starved hornet sentinel fight but don't want to learn dark joni's without cdash because that room is butt there's always shriek%)

[onyx spade]

shriek% has shamans and wraiths, cheating

[molten aurora]

Not if I don't pick up shaman

[stark birch]

ok there's also ghostbusters%

[onyx spade]

I gotta run ghostbusters some time

[stark birch]

true facts

[frank obsidian]

ihe

[molten aurora]

Wait, ax crushed the AS wr, how did I miss this?

[stark birch]

and if you're up for waking up and choosing violence, we also need more purity runners 👀

[molten aurora]

What's purity?

[stark birch]

kill the nailsmith

[molten aurora]

Ahhhhhh.

[stark birch]

you may know it by its "morally" "superior" but objectively slower cousin category happy couple

[molten aurora]

Haha, yeah, I know happy couple.

[onyx spade]

I would have ran purity if the bounty wasn't for happy couple

[stark birch]

that's completely fair lol

[frank obsidian]

link?

[strong vessel]

It's on SRC now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2DkP_Vnax8

[molten aurora]

Haha, I just did hornet 2, no movement, no spells, nail 0

Time for hitless

[frank obsidian]

where did he shave it

[stiff delta]

being faster

[frank obsidian]

wow

insane

ax in as

[molten aurora]

I'm looking forward to watching it, too bad I'm busy this weekend

[steady lynx]

It was funny, especially the ending when he had to ||say dash slash like 200 times||

[frank obsidian]

why does he have a hard time saying that

[molten aurora]

I wanna click the spoiler

Oh it's not a run spoiler.

[steady lynx]

It's the best meme

[molten aurora]

He's finnish right? It's just an accent thing, but I think he plays it up.

[steady lynx]

It's partially both

[molten aurora]

Regardless, I love dasch slasch.

[strong vessel]

Dasche slasche

[steady lynx]

I think it's spelled Däsch Släsch

[molten aurora]

No hornet, I don't want a hug.

[dusty shell]

What is the best charms for speedruning pantheons

[stiff delta]

depends on the pantheon

[dusty shell]

P1

[snow dome]

You're best off watching a top run

And just copying it

[dark blaze]

Shaman, fury, crest, strength, steady body and quickslash

[snow dome]

Why do people use Steady Body all of a sudden, anyway?

[stiff delta]

you have more control over the knight

[limpid ruin]

steady body? grub song!

wouldn't nailmasters glory be better than steady body (assuming you actually use the knockback in your style or whatever)

steady body is just comfy in short, it let's you practically just mash with fury quickslash str and demolish bosses without worrying about countering the knockback

[snow dome]

I feel like having the Knight control differently for pantheons than the rest of the game would throw me way off

[dreamy bough]

nmg is usually used but alternatively than defender's crest

[subtle glade]

Btw I'm learning watcher knights rn, and I had some experience with what I call "empty bounces". It's when the watcher does a bounce attack, but instead of a third bounce he opens up and bounces straight up. Is there any way to predict when that's going to happen?

[last inlet]

not that i'm aware of

when that happens you need to be careful bc as far as i can tell, that starts the cooldown on their next attack which means they can do their next attack pretty much as soon as they hit the ground

[subtle glade]

Alright, thanks. That's annoying, as when it happens it almost completely ruins my rythym

[last inlet]

havent done any watchers in a while but someone will probably have some advice on dealing with that

[dreamy bough]

cry

for real you can hit them during that fake bounce if you react fast enough, but it sucks

[dark blaze]

Steady body just lets you have constant DPS on bosses that take knockback, eg gorb and soul warrior and its been used for ILS for a while

[subtle glade]

From my experience if a knight empty bounces once, he will do empty bounces every time he goes for the bounce attack, but I have no idea if that's the case or if I was just unlucky

And my "experience" is like 3-4 times that happened, so don't quote me on anything is say lol

[verbal stag]

yeah it does it every time until it dies

[subtle glade]

Alright, that might help, because at least after they do that once I know what to expect

[mellow solar]

Could someone explain how the end time works in the hk any% switch speedrun? The record is 47min 42sec but the end time in the game is less than that. How do we time it?

[subtle glade]

The timer ends after the cutscene I believe

If that's what you mean, I'm not sure

[last inlet]

the in game timer is pretty janky and inconsistent so they're just timed rta

gives a slightly longer but more accurate time

[quiet saddle]

Anyone able to explain this soft lock? I activated the dreamer tablet but then the screen just started shaking and I was like this. No matter what I tried, was just locked (rip best pace ever lol)

[normal aspen]

U can't be in midair / mod dash when u interact with it

So just do dashes, jump dash then walk the last lil bit and u never get it

[quiet saddle]

Ohhhh

I def was

Ok, cool. Glad to know it wasn't some RNG bullshit lmao

I lost a best pace ever to the camera glitch in the city of tears post-elevator area

[limpid dust]

The game timer doesn t count back to main menu for example

[mellow solar]

Ahh ok

[frank obsidian]

This looks like my thing that happened in the Ancestral Mound

[mellow solar]

So i just started learning the speedrun for any% switch and got a 59min54sec RTA after 3 runs. Any tips on how to do faster bosses? And also movement in mid-late game? (Crystal peaks-beast den)

[onyx spade]

sub 1 RTA is a pretty good time, I would just recommend watching top any% current patch runs/switch runs and also fireb0rn's any% guides

[mossy sapphire]

i was aiming at sub-2h

nice first any% speedrun

i struggled more at watcher knights than at thk

thk is sooo long

[mellow solar]

Watcher knights feel longer imo

But thk is pretty long sometimes

[mossy sapphire]

i didnt used very much fireball when i was fighting thk, that maybe why it took me so long

[steady lynx]

THK feels more managable imo

[mellow solar]

Yep

[onyx spade]

going qg route is pretty impressive for your first run

[mossy sapphire]

thk seems to slow compared to pv lmao

[mellow solar]

In thk you basically spam Vengeful spirit thats why it was slow

[frank obsidian]

THK is easy if u just fart on him 🙃

[onyx spade]

and fireball is your main source of damage for thk, nail 0 does like nothig

[steady lynx]

20 damage, THK has 1250 health

[mossy sapphire]

yes

x)

[mellow solar]

Tip: use quick cast when using fireball

[mossy sapphire]

yes i do it a lot

i forgot about the heal button for spells

except for dd and as idk why

my brain wont use quick cast for anything else than fireball

[mellow solar]

Lmao

Welp im off to practice crystal peaks which i can easily take off ~1-2min and mistakes in general ~5-10min

[onyx spade]

yeah c peaks can be punishing

[mellow solar]

Keep missing the 1 cycle by a second

[steady lynx]

I think my current PB lost some time to peaks due to me being bad

I also five cycled Uumuu but that's another issue

[mossy sapphire]

I lost like 15mins because i forgot to buy the crossroads stag

[onyx spade]

oh gusten you might appreciate this

[mellow solar]

Ah that hurts

[mossy sapphire]

And i died twice like an asshole

[mellow solar]

Proof that Hornet is Australian

[onyx spade]

yeah forgetting the x roads stag sucks

[mossy sapphire]

Trying to buy this stupid stag

[steady lynx]

If I do everything right I can easily get low 47:4x on switch

[onyx spade]

what about with 2-cycle?

[mellow solar]

I could get sub 50 if i do dont do so many mistakes and manage 1 cycle Crystal peaks

[steady lynx]

47:28

Though I wanna wait with any% a bit and do... True Ending? That'll be fun

[mellow solar]

True ending seems fun

Just harder

[onyx spade]

console true ending runners would be pog

[steady lynx]

cp TE with the buff Traitor Lord

[ionic cargo]

that would hurt

[onyx spade]

yeah how many people have done CP TE? must not be many

[steady lynx]

The main number of cp TE runs are on console

[mellow solar]

Oh wow wait my pb died at qga skip and respawned at Monomon not at bench. I can save +1min there.

Sub 50 Any% switch here i come

[ionic cargo]

4 have done cp te for pc

[steady lynx]

Main thing I wanna do before more any% console is QGA and see if we can lab sorta consistent 2 cycle

Filter by patch

[onyx spade]

maybe I'll eventually run CP TE... this year

but meme cats call me

[steady lynx]

Don't you mean

2 cycle Uumuu calls you

[last inlet]

cp te is a meme cat wym

[onyx spade]

true

[steady lynx]

cp feels kinda like meme since all the cp runners also run memes

[ionic cargo]

nah, i run cp trial of the warrior

[normal aspen]

Paum has cp any% wr so I'm allowed to call it a meme again

[steady lynx]

But Paum doesn't like 106%

Can we really trust Paum?

[normal aspen]

I would

He s pretty cute

[steady lynx]

fair

[mellow solar]

I had a sub 55 pace any% switch and died to qg Arena i wanna cry

Maybe sub 50 even

Got uumuu 3 cycle and crystal peak damage tank strat. It was my best run yet. Gotta practice queens garden a bit i guess

[onyx spade]

Yeah qg is hard, I would recommend going deepnest route for kinder movement and a free THK fight thanks to spore shroom

[quiet wadi]

Beat any% for the first time

[mellow solar]

Spore shroom is too OP

Ooooo thats a good time for first run

[mellow solar]

Im aiming for wr so i'll practice qg since its the faster route. Getting that sub 50 before the end of the month

Yes i only started running this yesterday and im aiming for wr already lmao

[steady lynx]

WR will be 46 soon

[ionic cargo]

aiming for wr is often a bad thing to do as it is really hard to quickly and easily beat what some have been doing for years, you'll often find yourself getting disappointed at the fact you aren't getting wr. It would be better to go for shorter goals, you'll end up feeling more achieved.

just saying

[last inlet]

in general it's better to aim for x time rather than x position on leaderboards

allows you to improve without having to worry about how other people are doing

[ionic cargo]

true

[strong vessel]

Positions on the leaderboards are also completely dependent on how many people run the category

[mellow solar]

Yea rn im aiming sub 50 as i have achieved the sub 1hour i was aiming for previously

Wr thats for another day

Sub 50 / Sub 55 is a good goal rn for me

[quiet wadi]

Lol it took me ten mins to beat THK

[visual garnet]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-clap-praise-inclusive-yes-gif-11279444

[quiet wadi]

Will speedrun.com send me an email or something when they validate or invalidate my run?

[jagged vault]

you can choose what notifications you recieve in the on-site srcom settings menu

[haughty fossil]

if you're logged into speedrun.com the notification shade in the top right will have a notif if your run gets accepted/rejected

like this but with smaller numbers and the hourglass won't have anything

[hallow orchid]

Those numbers scare me is 50 the backlog of runs to verify?

[haughty fossil]

dont worry im doing them

[hallow orchid]

[hearty adder]

ifl verifiers

[hallow orchid]

That reminds me to highlight my new 112 pb before someone verifies my old one

[grizzled maple]

isn't hk one of the top active games on src

[hearty adder]

i think it was around top 15 or something like that

[haughty fossil]

we are here

[hallow orchid]

Yeah I think we're like second row of activity behind all the roblox games

[hearty adder]

we can just cheat and count all the roblox games as one

[grizzled maple]

yeah that's not shocking then. haha remember when we didn't even have verifiers

[haughty fossil]

one day we will overtake ROBLOX: Escape the Dentist Obby

[grizzled maple]

it was like 3 weeks to get a run on the board unless it was short. only xero really did the long runs

[hallow orchid]

Idk that's just a classic, jamie, we can't aim that high

I need to submit all my meme pbs so we can have hkmemes on this page

[ionic cargo]

Im actually surprised that this community is so active in speedrunning

[dark blaze]

Also does anyone know why my livesplit is not working, there was an update for the hk stuff but it didnt boot after that so i reinstalled now the timer doesnt even start when i start a panth

i reinstalled it twice but didnt work

[hallow orchid]

Does it start with a new save file as normal?

Also typical question for completeness did you open it after HK?

[dark blaze]

i didnt check, i was just using pantheon livesplits and kept de activating it and reactivating it

[hallow orchid]

I was using the new update last night for full game runs and it was fine but I didn't test panths

[dark blaze]

yes, and it didnt work

[hallow orchid]

Id say try to start a game up and see if it starts, if it does it might be something broken with pantheons

Otherwise I'm not sure

[dark blaze]

gotcha ill test later cus lazy

[knotty vigil]

Could someone here explain to me all the usual skips used in runs? I’m compiling a list of common hollow knight terms.

[hallow orchid]

If you want a glossary of all speedrun skips it's gonna be a long list I'm afraid

[grizzled maple]

This is incomplete but covers a lot of beginner Any% material
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10aXiOYQu-SLQlsyb5TTBfqFT8fNmBjyPJH7gJC8u_bk/edit?usp=sharing

[knotty vigil]

Sweet thanks

[grizzled maple]

I'm working on making it thorough for new Any% runners

[knotty vigil]

I’ll try to nail as many as possible

[grizzled maple]

But yeah doing like... all the tech in the game is impossible or would take a very very long time. No one will ever do that

[wide saddle]

There is this rule in Pantheons : Breaking Boss AI such that they become unresponsive
I had that bug happen to me, but i don't know why it happened, would it make my run invalid without me having any control over it ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eyxMXxKYF0

[grizzled maple]

For pantheon runs this is invalid, but in 112 it is a time penalty.

[hallow orchid]

Yeah unfortunately that invalidates the pantheon IL

[hearty adder]

intentional or not, it would still give you an unfair advantage unfortunately

[grizzled maple]

Same for the Hornet trapped on the ground glitch. There's also one other soul warrior glitch where he will forever back away from a wall. In pantheon ILs do be warned that the mod might reject even if it looks like it could've been ai glitch.

[hallow orchid]

Yeah the soul warrior one is rough because there's non-broken AI where they back up for like 3-4s but in that time it's already dead in the IL lol

[knotty vigil]

Fireball skips are the thing where you use the knockback from vengeful spirit to get places you couldn’t before right

[visual garnet]

Just finished speed running

[grizzled maple]

Yeah I agree. I've just seen it happen to people and really it's the mods' call

[visual garnet]

Got An hour and 30 min 45 secs

[grizzled maple]

With fury it dies so fast that you really don't have time to tell

[hallow orchid]

Both the knockback and the fact that it resets your vertical momentum, but yes arakhnid

[knotty vigil]

Mkay

[subtle glade]

@visual garnet what category?

[wide saddle]

does hitless P5 use the same rules ? or would it be "ignored" as this boss isn't a big issue and is quite early

[grizzled maple]

Our hitless board follows SRC rules, so yes it would be invalid there too.

[wide saddle]

mhh, guess i'll restart next time, ty

[grizzled maple]

The single difference between ILs and the hitless board is that hitless allows custom knight and only custom knight as a mod.

[dark blaze]

tbf ive seen a couple of the p5 hitless runs literally inv skip collector scream too

soapi just doesnt put them in the rank

and one of them just cut off VK too

[rugged crow]

how do you speedrun rl and r6? are you speedrunning the tutorial?

[grizzled maple]

yikes, yeah that couldn't be accepted. The biggest issue so far is people leaving debug mod on with custom knight. Which has to be denied for obvious reasons

[wide saddle]

alright ty for all the infos

[knotty vigil]

is shaw% a thing yet?

[haughty fossil]

a) shaw% means nothing. Does that mean hornet 1 or 2? it doesn't really determine what the end goal is.
b) hornet 1 has aluba%, which is the fastest time to kill an aluba, the closest being the one over lake of unn, requiring killing hornet to access. hornet 2 has shriek%, which rushes hornet 2 in order to get into abyss quickly to pick up shriek.

[knotty vigil]

shaw% refers to playing the shaw voice clip so it can be any hornet

[hallow orchid]

But what about shop% where you do shoptimization as quickly as possible?

[haughty fossil]

so aluba% + rng whether she plays the shaw voice clip

[knotty vigil]

i see

[ionic cargo]

i mean we have KP + rng

[haughty fossil]

yes zenith but killing menderbug is a) easy to time and b) an excellent meme
when hornet says "shaw" is not easy to time and cannot be autosplit

[hallow orchid]

If we're splitting on voice clips I vote collector death scream

[haughty fossil]

and is next to identical to aluba% because i guarantee you 90% of hornet 1 fights will have her say shaw at some point

how about all maps, which includes collector's map?

[hallow orchid]

But yeah that's just aluba% without the Aluba

[knotty vigil]

good one

[hallow orchid]

Dapperer mapperer

[haughty fossil]

tbf that one could be interesting to route

needs enough movement to love key skip

[hallow orchid]

Dapper mapper (or cartographer%) exists and gets qg map of course

[knotty vigil]

would it include map pins?

[hallow orchid]

So I think you'd just follow that and get love key after qg map

[haughty fossil]

that's unfortunate, too close to cartographer

[hallow orchid]

You get cdash because it's close to cpeaks cornifer anyway

I think collector% would be good though

Just absolute pain

[ionic cargo]

fair

[knotty vigil]

what is the lowest required equipment for collector

[hallow orchid]

Like I think optimally collector% does reverse dark deepnest into fireball dash claw love key skip into vs only collector

It could get shaman at least

[haughty fossil]

collector needs love key and claw. nothing else is hard required, but shaman is probably a no brainer

[hallow orchid]

Honestly it might be super out of the way

You probably go any% to claw then deepnest, grab tram on way and bench at hotsprings, do love key skip, quit out and take tram to edge

No time for salubra

Probably a 25-30 min category with some super difficult tech

Spore Shroom could be your damage

Gonna take this to #misc-runs-nmg lol

[quiet wadi]

K

[quiet wadi]

K

[stiff delta]

!srpsa

[vital geyser]

did you mean ?srpsa

[grizzled maple]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[grizzled maple]

There is a lot of meming here this morning. Reminder for new folks that this chat is strictly enforced on topic

[stiff delta]

Im an intellectual guys dont even worry about it

[sly jay]

for verification of becoming a speedrunner, do i send it here or ask in dms?

[hearty adder]

Here

[sly jay]

oki ty
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y6dpn01m

[stiff delta]

<@&284848710960021504>

[jagged vault]

Zen! ❤️

[sly jay]

ty!

im a sr like u now blue

[quiet saddle]

Welcome Zen :)

[sly jay]

[urban dove]

congrats zen!🥳

[sly jay]

thanks guise

[elfin vortex]

Decided learn PoP for quicker access to 1xx (for the planned 112 comsob & guide). I've got most of the PoP run down decently but in the last room most of the time im not fast enough to pogo one of the sawblades and its barely out of reach by the time I get to it. Can anyone tell me what Im doing wrong?

[last inlet]

yeah it's a swag strat

not something people will go for in runs really

since it's like a 2 and a half minute meme

[elfin vortex]

ik im doing it so I can access the 1xx channel quicker. I havent fully learnt 112 yet and since me and glowingicefire are working on a comsob & guide its irritating to not have access

[jagged vault]

PoP is not done in 112

oh haha

my badd

[last inlet]

ohhh

[jagged vault]

i believe monstahler alreaddy has a comprehensive category guide for 112

it's on SrCom

[elfin vortex]

its pretty outdated. we're also planning on making a comsob since there doesnt seem to be one

[jagged vault]

oh yeah good point

i think fire's guide should be up to date

[elfin vortex]

I think monstah's guide is the only 112 guide on src right?

[jagged vault]

https://www.notion.so/112-APB-Speedrun-Route-79acef46486c42f2aa7786d55012a359

this is fire's guide/list

the route and strats are up to date

[elfin vortex]

huh cool

this should probs be put up on src then right? May not be as comprehensive as monstahs outdated guide but should do

[copper egret]

It takes almost the same time compare to the normal way.(tas)

[digital jewel]

yeah this is slower sadly

[hot latch]

Oh cool i was trying that the other day

[copper egret]

but tas can did it better

[digital jewel]

what fps are you running the game at?

[copper egret]

couldn't save so much time

100fps

[jagged vault]

vengeflies move faster with a higher FPS afaik

[dry sluice]

correct

[copper egret]

really?

[dry sluice]

yes

significantly

[copper egret]

that's good for me tjo

tho*

I will start this tas 100fps

[elfin vortex]

I've already learnt too much of PoP to give up on it tbh. So could anyone who knows tell me what im doing wrong/should change cuz I've tried for a while and have no idea

mhm. 300 or more is good. 500 if u can

[short spire]

eh it's not like input latency really matters if you're not human

like as long as it's consistent 100 fps isn't worse for tas to play at than 500

[jagged vault]

you could have reached the final saw here if you pogoed earlier

[elfin vortex]

oh yh def needs to be consistent fps but 100 makes for pretty avg speed vengeflies

[jagged vault]

like, right as you were going up with wings you were definitely close enough to pogo

[elfin vortex]

huh ig I was heavily overestimating how close I needed to be. I'll try again with pogoing sooner and hopefully it'll work

[dreamy bough]

i love the tas only when this in low nail route D:

[elfin vortex]

like some tries I get pretty much ontop if not just behind the saw which is what I thought was required

[dreamy bough]

actually low nail is even more cursed right

cuz the floor is already broken

[dry sluice]

low nail is different yeah

[elfin vortex]

just thought it over and cuz the main reason we want to update monstah's guide (and maybe make it more indepth) is to make 112 easier to learn for people who dont run the route/beginners and fires is quite barebone (theyre more notes than a guide) Monstah kindly gave us the txt for his guide on SRC so we can make edits/additions and upload instead of doing it from scratch

[dry sluice]

low nail also doesn't do that at all anymore, it just bad floats

[elfin vortex]

is low nail completing the game with lowest nail hits possible?

[dry sluice]

yes

[elfin vortex]

god that sounds cursed af

[dry sluice]

lowest presses of the nail button

[true palm]

but bossfights gotta be hella cursed

[elfin vortex]

whats the avg nail usage count? I honestly cant imagine having to fight bosses and trying to not use nail as a main form of attack

[true palm]

double triple every fireball on watchers or reset no?

[dry sluice]

no

you can get soul back

you just dream nail

[true palm]

oh duh

[elfin vortex]

mfw I forgot about dream nail

[true palm]

so you just do every fight dnail only

with vs

[dry sluice]

11 is the lowest for nmms, nmg was 30 something I think

but nmg isn't viable because the early game used to require doing mound in a way that was never going to realistically be done rta, and now it requires killing baldur without VS I think, where you have to get every nail hit first try or reset

[stark birch]

nmg has to be at least 50 right? even if you ignore the mound garbage don't you need like 20 to exit kp and 30 on the dreamers?

[dry sluice]

you use cdash on dreamers

[elfin vortex]

wow thats feckin impressive af

[dry sluice]

KP aint 20

[stark birch]

incredible

[true palm]

isnt the final door like 11?

[dry sluice]

KP is like 15? hits nmg I think

and 1 of those is just to get fury

so 14 if you're just getting through it

you pogo over the door

[haughty fossil]

wait hang on low nail does longnail baldur now?

[dry sluice]

I don't think you have longnail jamie 🥴

[stark birch]

yeah longnail requires killing gruz mom and shade skipping up if you're avoiding vs there's no way that doesn't add nail swings

[haughty fossil]

that is a fair point

[true palm]

its just sad baldur kill

[haughty fossil]

how does non-longnail baldur kill work, just extreme low fps?

[dry sluice]

you pause-unpause and then turn and hit or something

[true palm]

i mean longnail already uses 60 fps and its ridiculous so without longnail thats gotta be ridiculous

[dry sluice]

you also have to time it so dshield hits at the same time to save more nail hits I think? I don't totally remember the nmg route

[haughty fossil]

dshield to get out of xroads can't be nail-hit neutral

[stark birch]

you can farm 1800 geo with 0 nail hits

it's just, like, slow

[haughty fossil]

you need 1850 geo + talk to sly

[stark birch]

oh sly is more of a problem

[true palm]

how do you farm 1800 geo no soul no nail no spells?

[haughty fossil]

so gruz mother has to be killed either way

[stark birch]

herding vengeflies into goams

[dry sluice]

^

[true palm]

ah makes sense

[haughty fossil]

so if we can get a 0 nail hit shade skip to salubra we cut out 1800 geo farm?

[dry sluice]

no

cause dshield would still do extra damage

so you'd still need it

[haughty fossil]

damn

so the only advantage would be to make the baldur kill less sad

[crisp sail]

i managed to beat hollow knight in under 3hrs

[true palm]

you also have to shadeskip to dnail anyway

[dry sluice]

what

no you dont

[haughty fossil]

huh

[true palm]

oh nvm

nvm because you drop from peaks

[dry sluice]

I also don't totally remember if you even do get dshield anymore, it was in and out of the route 800 times

[crisp sail]

this was my first attempt in a while could be faster

[dry sluice]

oh I'm dumb KP is 10 presses not 15

and you don't need one to get to fury

the route that I made for nmg was 39 presses total, that didn't do the baldur thing though which I think ended up saving a couple

[crisp sail]

i could make some movements faster and need to stop getting hit but i made some mistakes mainly and i felt some times there was some actual input lag at the beginning but i switched the controller and it stopped

[brittle jungle]

are this permitted to run any% NMG at current patch? (i don't care much about timelosses due to unavailable inventory drop and some skips just want to run it for whatever place)

[stark birch]

assuming you're just referring to are you allowed to run that -- current patch any% nmg is the second most run category on the boards, it's a bit more than merely permitted 🙂

[last inlet]

you're allowed to run any category

[elfin vortex]

Theres a whole any% cp cat

[last inlet]

on any patch unless rules specify otherwise (e.g. for hiveblood or 106%)

[elfin vortex]

There are console cats too

[inner burrow]

has anyone planned on trying the Isma Tear route? or is no one trying it because of its difficulty and the fact that isnt too appealing due to the nail upgrade u need for ancient basin and the current route is most likely faster

[night mortar]

certainly doesn't seem like it

[inner burrow]

aight

tho fireb0rn's vid about the Isma Tear route was great

[night mortar]

YEAH

[leaden python]

if you're interested in the trick application, you might search for bestgirl% - finishing the game without making Myla infected. Optimal route goes for mag isma's skips

[inner burrow]

also Moglar is an actual beast. like HOLY one day?

[night mortar]

yeah I can't imagine that

[inner burrow]

lol i cant even do a fireball skip. i was just curious on the moglar route

[leaden python]

there is also a TAS video of the skip

[inner burrow]

Moglar is like: if it isnt confirmed as impossible, im going to test it

also is Wasabi still the only one who has pulled off the Moglar skip without attacking the hwurmps

[night mortar]

I've thought about doing it before but whenever I think about it I just try to dash underneath the little acid thingy to even begin the skip and I can't even do that so...

[kind flume]

wasabi? you mean ins0mnia?

[inner burrow]

oh yeah. wrong person

yeah i meant ins0mnia

[kind flume]

not sure though. i've seen some people discussing attempts here

[inner burrow]

oh neat

[night mortar]

also me neither. pain peko.

[inner burrow]

moglar is insane

like HOLY my eyes were like "ur joshing me right? there has to be a catch. SOMEWHERE, this dude isnt a flipping god gamer"

[knotty vigil]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[night mortar]

I managed to do the greenpath fireball skip exactly once by using 3 vs's instead of the 2 you're supposed to use

and mog can...

do that.

[leaden python]

yeah people I know you are very excited about having even a glimpse of mag's power, but please keep it on topic

[inner burrow]

oh ok

sorry

[elfin vortex]

Greenpath u can use 1 vs if u want

[night mortar]

rip

[elfin vortex]

For a period in time when learning it I legit found 1 vs easier somehow but im too scared to do it in a run

[last inlet]

i'd assume that'd happen if you have very good turnarounds but your fb timing is off

[elfin vortex]

Mhm probs

[tame hare]

regarding greenpath fireball skips, if you are holding right between fireballs, the knight will slightly drift right too

youre supposed to not hold directions while timing fireballs. it goes something like turnaround the opposite direction, hold no directions during fireball casts, and then holf left after your last fireball

[distant ingot]

Im running in the current patch any% nmg and i know that menu dropping is still a thing and when I was watch the WR for it I saw that they menu dropped off a platform in the second room in crossroads how do i do that

[elfin vortex]

Basically u need to walk off the platform and open inventory just as you fall off

[distant ingot]

Ok I wasn't sure if there was more to it

[haughty fossil]

its just pretty precise is all

[twin swallow]

It's physics frame perfect (1/50th of a second)

[distant ingot]

Ok

[elfin vortex]

Its frame perfect im pretty sure and doesnt have rlly hace a setup but jumping to the very top platform on thr left then dropping in my opinion is a good way to get it

[twin swallow]

Youll get them with practice, but there aren't that many places where they really save significant time in 1432

[elfin vortex]

Dont keep trying for it if u fail it like 3/4 times

[twin swallow]

Don't stress about them too much while you're starting out

[elfin vortex]

Saves like 4 secs I think and yh dont stress about them. U'll eventually find the feel of getting them

[distant ingot]

Ok and in kp when u go through the brealing floor how do u not get tje hard fall ive been menu dropping but ive seen people just not get hard falls how do I get that?

[kind flume]

There's a randomness to it

Sometimes when you just run off, you don't get hard fall

[twin swallow]

Game's weird

[elfin vortex]

Eithet rng softfall or hardfall idk what its called or by going to the left a tiny bit while dropping

[kind flume]

There's also a consistent setup but it loses a bit of time to random softfall

But gains time to random hardfall, so

[distant ingot]

K

So wpuld it just be more consistant to menu drop?

[kind flume]

Not really worth caring about tbh. It's +-0.5 at most

How are you menu dropping? Sounds slow

[twin swallow]

I'd learn the setup, if only because it's quite easy and consistent, and you'll end up doing it in every full game run

[distant ingot]

After I hear the second sound of the floor breaking I pull out my menu and close it right before i hit the ground

[kind flume]

That menu drop is probably slower or equal than random hardfall from just running tbh

Cause you wanna keep moving to the right as much as possible

Either you can learn the setup, which is basically doing a tiny hop just before it breaks, and landing on the upper part. Or you go for the RNG and hope

[distant ingot]

K

K and one last question whenever I get to the vk fight I hit him with my nail and when ever I got to fireball hes just above me and i miss

[haughty fossil]

need to fireball earlier then

[distant ingot]

Am hitting him to late?

[elfin vortex]

Watch fires vid on greenpath any%

[kind flume]

Just gotta be faster. Or jump higher

[distant ingot]

Ok

[haughty fossil]

make sure you're using quick cast

[distant ingot]

I am

[elfin vortex]

Skip to the vk chapter in the vid and he explains it well

[distant ingot]

Ok

Thx for help

[kind flume]

Good luck running!

[distant ingot]

Thx

[elfin vortex]

Gl! Any% is a brill cat so have fun

[quiet saddle]

You're prob not holding A to get the full height of your jump

[distant ingot]

Ok with foreborns video I saw he said it was aboit positioning

[quiet saddle]

Like as you fly up, you wanna keep holding A before, during and after you swing your nail. If you let go of jump to swing nail, you haven't gotten enough height most likely

[quiet saddle]

There's an easy visual cue. Stand between the two little rocks on the right of VK

[distant ingot]

Yea I saw that

[quiet saddle]

?

It makes it easier and more consistent as a newer player if you do, at least in my experience

It's easy to underestimate how long you need to hold A for full height (again, in my experience :P )

https://clips.twitch.tv/GrotesqueCrispyYakinikuJebaited-PndOj5IdNvkTYyjP

This is the setup I use; there are better ways to do it but I've hit it 100% of the time since I started doing it this way where I:

• jump at the small rocks, keep holding A, nail, mash quick cast for 3 fireballs, tank dmg, nail after dmg tank

I used to miss VK a lot before doing it this way

[haughty fossil]

you're way too close for the normal setup would be why you'd be missing it

[quiet saddle]

Yea, I have to rexamine the setup I use

But that's the case with my entire run hahah

It's a shitty setup, for sure.

I just find it easy and consistent

Which is valuable to me as a noob

[elfin vortex]

At least its not like my vk in which I miss the quick kill and end up going to the right to collect geo lol

[quiet saddle]

Shitty = Noob friendly, in this case

Same way I would call damage tank epogo shitty

[vital geyser]

i think you should just learn vk quick kill properly

[elfin vortex]

I need to learn it properly tbh. Loses me alot of time stupidly

[quiet saddle]

Yea, but I could say that about like 95% of my run lol

[elfin vortex]

Yup cuz u may get some bad habits from using a setup like that for a while

[quiet saddle]

?

Idk, I guess I disagree?

Like, you can't just learn every hard strat off the bat right? I have strats I know I need to work on, and will work on

Not saying VK is hard

[hallow orchid]

I see no issue using a suboptimal setup that works for you

[quiet saddle]

Just saying like

Im gonna be suboptimal

For a LONG time

[hallow orchid]

If it's working and not losing much time go for it

[quiet saddle]

So I recommended a noob friendly way that I found, that doesn't lose much time, to another noob :)

That's totally fair! I could've explained it better

[vital geyser]

tbh kishotos method is better than taking damage in the traditional quick kill and have geo fly everywhere

[hallow orchid]

Yeah honestly I think it's a nice setup, you guarantee a damage tank and the geo spread is a bit worse but it's a lot less precise

[quiet saddle]

Yea, it's honestly free af

I've never missed it since doing it Wait, I missed it once cuz I didn't have 8 soul rofl

And I've done at least 20+ VK kills since doing it this way

This is one of those setups I won't be updating until I've knocked out a lot of other free time save in my run, I think.

Like I need to get double dash mantis pogo more consistent, for example. I need to grind out my Herrah movement cuz I lose time in there a lot cuz spiders are scary, etc

And all those spots are like at LEAST 10s+ time save so i prioritize them more in my grind then something like the better VK quick kill

[hallow orchid]

Yeah practicing this game (or anything) is about choosing your battles, I don't see a need to switch from this to the standard quick kill until you're well down the line of optimizations

[quiet saddle]

Yea, exactly. I don't wanna turn running this game into a reset hell cuz I'm just trying to implement too many things at once.

[vital geyser]

i mean i got a 38XX while missing fb skip and vfk quick kill soooooo

[quiet saddle]

I still wanna be able to do some runs lol

Damn, nice. My pb's a 41:05 rn

But my SOB is 38:13

I wanna reduce that gap a lot more before hunkering down and optimizing certain things

Cuz I know I lose a lot of time to inconsistency

But I also started runs less than a month ago, so I'm chilling rofl

[royal whale]

what is this speedrunning programm called

[topaz moat]

livesplit

[royal whale]

everybody use it

thanks

i just donwloaded it can anyone help me how to use it?

[elfin vortex]

I recommend watching fires setup vid for help on stuff like that

https://youtu.be/a-aCaVTAUtc

[hearty adder]

You can find a guide on Livesplit on the pins

[royal whale]

ok thanks

[hearty adder]

Pins have a lot of useful info for beginners, i highly recommend checking them out