speedrunning

[true palm]

insomnia was memeing about running cp low% at one point

since they can actually do the skip

but outside of proof of concept nobodies really made a serious effort of doing it

and the cp low% epogo is just easier

[onyx spade]

yeah I managed to do it once

[true palm]

id say the mantis village fireball skip would be hands down the worst skip in any category on the main boards, so i'm glad theres alternatives (nobody runs low% cp anyway though so...)

[onyx spade]

low% is already cursed enough on 1221

[true palm]

correction, nobody runs low%

i wouldnt say its super cursed, but its got a lot of stigmas that people discourage people

like darknest isnt that bad, but people just hear it and run away

[onyx spade]

I'm so afraid of c peaks low%

and darknest

[true palm]

i'd be more afraid of cpeaks without a lot of grinding

darknest kills your run 15 minutes in

cpeaks kills it 35 minutes in

but cpeak is the best part of the run, it feels great

[hallow orchid]

Darknest is also a lot easier than cpeaks

Cpeaks in low% is rough

[molten aurora]

This was actually way easier than 2 fb qg.

I walked off because I wasn't expecting to get it straight away

[onyx spade]

damn goose

keyboard too OP

[true palm]

true

nice job though

[molten aurora]

Russian hacks too OP

I was decent at fb skips without the socd cleaner. But after getting used to it, it's actually so broken.

[true palm]

thats how i feel about clawgrip on controller

anyways now that you got that its time for you to run low% Goose

[molten aurora]

I've been thinking about low% for a while actually, prolly not CP, but watcher knights scare me.

[true palm]

watcher knights aren't easy ngl

lot of practice

its about the same level of difficulty as TE radiance from my experience

[molten aurora]

I haven't run any% yet, so even with shaman and dash, I wouldn't be able to do it without a lot of practice.

No dash is the real scary part though.

[true palm]

i mean i started with low% watchers so any% is definitely not a prerequisite

[molten aurora]

You started with low% ?? Who hurt you?

[true palm]

eh, i only started speedrunning this game because youtube algorithm recommended skurry

watched their low% run

thought hey without dash its a lot less optimized and easier to have a good time right?

[onyx spade]

it's also easier to have a bad time

[true palm]

after i realized i was completely wrong sunken cost fallacy kicked in

grinding out qss as a completely new runner just felt so rough

so when i had to learn darknest

my soul broke and i just finished grinding

but watchers was definitely the biggest hurdle

once you get good at the dv wall jump and qss cpeak isnt that bad

[onyx spade]

oh god I remember failing the dv jump 6 times in my casual low%

then dying trying to get back up

it was horrible

[true palm]

oh falling in dv is a classic

[molten aurora]

dv?

[true palm]

distant village

[onyx spade]

I think I ended up fireballing to get over lol

[molten aurora]

Ohhhhh, yeah, that jump looks terrifying.

[true palm]

its actually pretty cozy once you run the category a lot

[molten aurora]

That scares me in every cat tbf, even with wings.

[true palm]

i mean you have to do 3 of those jumps in the cheart room off of conveyors

so like the dv one doesnt feel that bad anymore

[molten aurora]

Low% is cursed.

[true palm]

its an acquired taste

[molten aurora]

Oh actually, is there a cycle you follow in the cheart room? Or you just yolo it?

[true palm]

theres a cycle

the final lasers by underplat can get off cycle easily

since the jump right before those platforms is the hardest jump in the category

me and rhino were actually just talking about cpeak in #low-percent we linked our fast cycles

[molten aurora]

That's not too bad then, messing up the last 2 lasers shouldn't hurt too much. At least not as bad as the entire room relying on that jump.

Oh, I'll go have a look.

[true palm]

the final two lasers being off cycle without dash is horrible

you can get stuck for 2 hours

ask insomnia

https://youtu.be/C8nATMRH360?t=2756

[molten aurora]

Actually yeah, I can see how that would be bad.

[true palm]

here you go

you REALLY dont want to mess with that last cycle

[molten aurora]

Hahahahahaha, that's so much worse than what I was thinking.

[true palm]

its not as bad as insomnia shows it to be, theres a cadence to it

but its incredibly tight if its off cycle

compared to what i do in like comsob where i just right through there no issue whatsoever

[molten aurora]

Yeah, that fast cycle looks really cool. Idk what it is, but without dash, the movement seems so confident.

[true palm]

thats what i really like about the category

its just so satsifying

you begin to respect the walking

just the constant consistent speed is so awesome

[onyx spade]

pretty sure that exact thing happened to be more than once

[true palm]

oh with the lasers?

its pretty common

the cycles tight as hell

the trick is to not full jump

you do half jumps and pogo as your going up

[normal aspen]

Yeah this was the first run that I had gotten there and went in with no practice

I'm sure it can be much better

[true palm]

oh im not critiquing it

i've done the same thing

[normal aspen]

I just didn't wanna die lmao

[true palm]

its scary as hell

its just people dont really understand that laser section can go so wrong

like messing up the jump before is horrible

and then off cycles horrible

[normal aspen]

Yeah for sure

[true palm]

little room for error

[normal aspen]

Will see be doing the walljump from now

[true palm]

idk, if we ever finish up that low% guide will probably end up mentioning how to recover the bad cycle

since that will just end your run right there if you dont know how to save it

as cool as the category is, its very punishing

if a mistake isnt an instant reset, its a 20s timeloss

like falling in DV?, runs dead

miss Queens Station Skip?, runs dead

dont get mantis pogo immediately? good luck spending 40s and doing 2 fireball skips just to get back

that all being said, everything is accessible with practice

[normal aspen]

Just run nmms

You don't even have fireball so u become a wizard at saving it

And then ur also running nmms

[onyx spade]

or run spelless

[normal aspen]

But then you have dash

And are also running spelless

[molten aurora]

I've discovered something pretty amazing.

It turns out mag ismas is hard.

[true palm]

damn who would've guessed?

[molten aurora]

Somni made it look easy though

[true palm]

outside of insomnia and mag idk anybody whose done it

somni makes a lot of things look easy to be fair

they make 2 fb QSS look like the normal standard strat

[molten aurora]

He's using more than 1 set of russian hacks, I'm sure of it

[normal aspen]

Mag never did mag ismas

[true palm]

i know mag didnt do the full thing

[normal aspen]

He got a wallcling on the other side but dunked

[true palm]

oh feels bad

[normal aspen]

And didn't do the first bit without twister

[true palm]

unfortunate

think a macro assisted ismas run would be cool tbh

just a full one to show it off

[molten aurora]

I'm getting closer slowly, I really suck at the turnaround nail though.

[normal aspen]

Going for the hard version?

[molten aurora]

Yup.

[normal aspen]

Def need to space the fireballs a little more too

[molten aurora]

Yeah, my fireballs were bad in that attempt.

The biggest thing I'm struggling with, is dropping too much before the first fireball, the timing between the nail swing and the first fireball is super tight.

[molten aurora]

I must have been pixels away from the wall cling, wont be long before I get it

[normal aspen]

I have sound off, did you get the wallcling?

[true palm]

not quite

[molten aurora]

Nah, it would have been close though.

[normal aspen]

Yeah the last bit is the hardest

You can be close for half an hour before you get it

[molten aurora]

What exactly did you do when you got the wall cling, it looked like wall jump > dash > wings.

[true palm]

its a dash cancel no?

[normal aspen]

I didn't even jump I don't think

[true palm]

oh on the other one it was just dash i thought

[molten aurora]

Ah okay, I wasn't totally sure, even with the inputs on screen.

[onyx spade]

gl goose

[molten aurora]

I am totally prepared to dunk in acid the first few wall clings though.

[molten aurora]

ty ty

[normal aspen]

Yeah I didn't get it til the 3rd one I think, which was when I came up with the dash, before I was trying to do a neutral jump and get around the lip

[limpid ruin]

aaaaaah that was frickn close till the last fb it looked like 👀

[molten aurora]

I got a wall cling .... I did not think I was even close, so I didn't react

[normal aspen]

Yeah u gotta just assume

Also I def jump dash wings

[molten aurora]

You do jump, okay cool, I'm more comfortable with that.

[normal aspen]

Yeah coz jump for easy buffer and height, then the dash so u can buffer a wings out if it and are out from the ledge

[molten aurora]

Yeah, just getting that first wall jump is gonna be fun.

[normal aspen]

If u get the wallcling it's Not Too Bad (tm)

[regal viper]

Hey guys how much time does epogo save in console?

[onyx spade]

I think around 40 secs

idk for console

maybe like 50 secs

[regal viper]

And how about with the loads? 5 or 6 secs more?

Okay okay

Thank you!!

[onyx spade]

if you're struggling with epogo I highly suggest comfy pogo with 3 fireballs

[twin swallow]

you only go through 1 extra load zone by going around

[regal viper]

I'm getting It like 1/3 times, I wanted to know if I could retry once ir twice without loosing time

[onyx spade]

from my rough estimates, first or second try will save time going around, 3rd try will basically go even

[twin swallow]

yeah console epogo isn't too time-consuming

[regal viper]

Okay cool

And btw good luck with acid skip Goose

[normal aspen]

If you are on console vsync epogo is nice coz u don't have the pc vsync lag so it's pretty easy

Also might be faster since u don't need to menu for it

[molten aurora]

Top 10 saddest anime moments of all time.

I panicked.

[normal aspen]

Pain

[onyx spade]

well you basically did it

[normal aspen]

Yeah that's 99.99% of the hard stuff done

[onyx spade]

that's a in my books

[molten aurora]

I am really happy I got to the wall jump, it's just sad knowing how I close I was.

[snow dome]

You, yesterday: "Hey I got the first Greenpath fireball skip down!"
Me: That's cute.
You, today: "I got the no C-dash Isma's skip."
Me: O.O

I half imagine your next two screenshots are going to be like "Sub hour any%!" immediately followed by "EUGH. Just missed the 32:XX!"

[molten aurora]

Hahaha, yeah, it is a bit of a jump in difficulty.

Don't worry, that wont happen, I waste too much time doing stupid stuff to do runs

[snow dome]

My brain was like "I know any% route figured this wasn't quicker in the end, but could all skills skip C-Dash!?"

Because I'm smart

[normal aspen]

Relatable content

I hear there is a pretty cool spreadsheet for people like that

[molten aurora]

I like cool spreadsheets

[haughty fossil]

#misc-runs-nmg

[molten aurora]

I actually haven't checked out misc runs, I only know the meme cats. Could be interesting.

[onyx spade]

meme cats are the best

once you start you can never go back

[normal aspen]

I intend on reviving the skip sheet in one form or another too for that kinda stuff goose

[molten aurora]

Oh cool, I like learning useless skips.

[snow dome]

I would like to get some work done on the wiki, FWIW

It kind of got abandoned, I think in part because of the lack of direction. I might start working on it by working through categories and filling them out.

Which means interesting Rando/meme cat ones might take longer to make it onto it by my hand, but I'm hoping if I start making it actually more useful people will contribute more anyway

[normal aspen]

Yeah, I mean the skip challenge sheet isn't the rando guide, so it's not creating extra overla0

Might give a resource for ckips in the meantime tho

[snow dome]

Which channel is it in?

[normal aspen]

It's not pinned anywhere

[snow dome]

Ah

[normal aspen]

It received a lot of feedback when I first shared it so I want to make sure it's in a good state when I publish it again

[molten aurora]

I bonked my head on the upper platform doing mag skip and missed the wall cling as a result, how did I even get that high

[mental kiln]

Hello I want to do explosion pogo, but don't know any setup could anyone just send me a tutorial for the easiest setup?

[molten aurora]

Current patch or 1221?

[mental kiln]

1221

[normal aspen]

Yeah goose, that's a thing

The easier version gets a wallcling on that wall

[molten aurora]

I'd guess check out fireborns any% guide.

[normal aspen]

And it lets u skip the nail turn around

[molten aurora]

Huh, that's cool, I didn't even look at the easy version honestly.

Why is there even a hard version if you can just do that?

[normal aspen]

Coz the hard version is the one mag came up with

Once I did that I labbed out the easier one

[molten aurora]

Huh, I find it really surprising that the weird as heck nail turn around method was found first.

[onyx spade]

what's the easier version?

[molten aurora]

I mean, easier mag skip? Any% wr when

[normal aspen]

Imo the non nail turn one. It needs better turnarounds on the fireballs but the end is way easier

Also no nail turnaround which is way harder to do well

[onyx spade]

and still with 3 fireballs?

[normal aspen]

Yeah

[onyx spade]

yo time to run save myla%

[normal aspen]

Do it

[onyx spade]

it's on the list 🙂

[normal aspen]

If goose does too we have 3 runners

[onyx spade]

3 runners

I should probs learn this skip first huh

[normal aspen]

The first bit too is kinda precise

[onyx spade]

for save myla% you do the spike tunnel with dashmaster right?

[normal aspen]

Yeah

Unironically gonna be way better on 1.5

[onyx spade]

I'll just wait for 1.5

[normal aspen]

I'll go for a better run once 1.5 comes out

Sub 45 at least

[molten aurora]

Yo, I wanna save myla.

What does ismas tear have to do with saving myla tho?

[snow dome]

I was legit thinking about waiting for 1.5 to run 112 because of the Dashmaster change

[normal aspen]

U can't get cdash or dive

[snow dome]

Save Myla is finish the game without C-Dash or Dive

[normal aspen]

So u need e9ther tear, sharp shadow twister, or dgate wings

[snow dome]

D-Gate wings route hype

[onyx spade]

sharp shadow route 👀

[snow dome]

Shade skip with extra mask

[molten aurora]

Ohhh, I see now, it's more "don't kill myla%"

[onyx spade]

that actually sounds way too cursed

[molten aurora]

Also, dive gets myla infected?

[haughty fossil]

yeah half infected

[snow dome]

I love that go all the way to Twister and then turn around and go back

Yeah, she becomes sick.

Go get dive and talk to her again. She's poorly gal. 😔

[normal aspen]

Dive makes her woozy state

[onyx spade]

ok this part seems kinda hard

[molten aurora]

Does that mean that save myla% is just mags any% route?

[onyx spade]

myla% is actually kill myla lol

[molten aurora]

My bad lol

[leaden python]

don't want to scroll up too much, but have you already seen TAS for mag skip?

[onyx spade]

I've seen somni's clip, but seeing it is very different than doing it

[normal aspen]

I do a turnaround between the first and second fb but not the 2nd and third

Game me highest success rate

[normal aspen]

Yeah that's why I made it lmao

[onyx spade]

ohhh

quick turnarounds are pretty cursed with analog stick

[normal aspen]

Yep f9r analog I had a bad time lol

Took like 20 mins

[leaden python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYpguc4ZnDM

I mean this vid

an actual tas

[onyx spade]

oh, hadn't seen that, ty for linking

[molten aurora]

Okay, I need a break from ismas grove, or I'm going to go insane.

[leaden python]

Time to go on wingless WP jump

[onyx spade]

wingless WP 👀

[normal aspen]

Would be cool to see if tas can do it before I put more time into it

And if it can, to see of it can do it in 3 fireballs

[molten aurora]

What part in WP is this?

[onyx spade]

ayy let's go

[snow dome]

That vid was the thing that got everybody talking about this, right?

[onyx spade]

it was fireb0rn's vid that got it attention

that vid is recent (look at the date)

[snow dome]

I mean specifically this conversation

[onyx spade]

oh lol

[snow dome]

Anyway

ShroomPog on getting that first skip

Are there turnarounds or can you just do it with good fireball timing?

[onyx spade]

I think goose was trying it and then so did I

I do a tiny turn around between the first and second fireballs

might be possible without turn arounds but idk

[snow dome]

Sweet, sweet

[onyx spade]

managed to do the last part with 4 fireballs, 3 seems really hard though

[molten aurora]

I think somni said you wall jump off the upper part, probably a lot easier with only 3 fbs.

[normal aspen]

The upper part strat u just get A wallcling and then u can wings. Walljump is an added bonus but doesn't matter

[hidden burrow]

do we have any idea about when 1.5 will be released?

[digital jewel]

no idea

[normal aspen]

Before the heat death ofbthe universe aka silksong

[digital jewel]

I'd guess that they're going to release it at the same time as some silksong info

[normal aspen]

Think we have had this year's info already too

[digital jewel]

Because it doesn't seem like an urgent update

[normal aspen]

Unfortunate

[hidden burrow]

ok thanks 🙂

[frank obsidian]

Heat Death is the most likely, but there are other scenarios which could take much shorter

Which means Silksong soon!

But also death

[honest folio]

there is a tiny bit of hope in my heart for e3 silksong news

[steady lynx]

Having expectations results in disappointment if not met, expecting nothing results in surprise when something happens

[honest folio]

[distant ingot]

Could I get some help with current patch explosion pogo im having trouble with the timing

[steady lynx]

Which method?

[distant ingot]

Idk what its called but u need 2 soul charges

I also dont know if thats how u describe soul either

[dusk portal]

2 Fireballs?

[distant ingot]

Yea

[onyx spade]

try doing it with 3 fireballs first, it's much more lenient

[distant ingot]

Ok I was going to but i dont know a good way to get soul and and also be fast in wastes

[snow dome]

There's the two mushrooms at the top, the big balloon thing and then you can hit the sporg for the last charge if you entered that room with zero soul.

There's faster ways, but this is still reasonable is you miss everything.

[distant ingot]

Ok and could i get some tips for the spike in the aspid room in the crossroads I can hit spike but it comes just short and goes past both of them

Am i hitting it at the wrong angle or is it just my timing?

[snow dome]

Stand on the bottom centre platform.
As soon as you see orange from either of the Aspids, jump to the left platform, immediately do a full jump and hit the spike

On current patch it always goes to the correct place

[distant ingot]

Ok

Thx

[kind flume]

here's a good in depth tutorial by mathulu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM @distant ingot

[distant ingot]

Ok thx

[pure lodge]

Where can i find a detailed explanation on the desolate dive/descending dark immune frame window?

[kind flume]

not sure there is one actually. it's also slightly different between patches. if you have a specific question or scenario someone might be able to answer though

[hallow orchid]

Yeah I'm not sure it's documented anywhere. You can always test it yourself without too much issue by running livesplit, diving into an enemy, and standing in their hitbox until you get hit again

I believe that on current patch if you begin another dive, it will cancel the iframes from your first one, though

[kind flume]

that is true and has killed me many times haha

[cyan vortex]

yeah on cp you can't chain dives while staying in the hitbox of an enemy

on 1221 you can

[pure lodge]

I mostly just was interested to know more about it, but the main questions where if you can chain then (which you guys answerd :), how long does it take until you get the immune frames, and how much i-frames do you get.
I currently dont run the game, but from my experience with other games, speedrunners allways has a lot of knowledge about the game

[hallow orchid]

You have iframes from once the downward motion of your dive starts until a pretty long window after, again unless you try to chain them in which case they get cancelled on current patch. Hopefully that answers all the questions, I don't have specific numbers on how long it is unfortunately

[kind flume]

generally there's lots of info in #resources and #strats if you're curious about other stuff

[dreamy bough]

iframes is 0.4s according to wiki

[hallow orchid]

It is long enough to walk through Oro/Mato though and that's all I care about

[cyan vortex]

wiki

[dreamy bough]

you lose the iframes as soon as you start another dive on current patch - which is why you can't chain them

it definitely feels like .4s

[hallow orchid]

.4s feels right yeah

Wouldnt be surprised if it was a bit longer but that's believable

[cyan vortex]

true

[pure lodge]

Cool thanks for the help @kind flume @hallow orchid @cyan vortex

[distant ingot]

Could I get some tips on vengfly king fight every time I hit him and then go to fireball he always ends up above them

[cyan vortex]

you want to fireball as fast as possible to cancel the nail animation

[hearty adder]

that sounds like you're doing the fireballs too late

[cyan vortex]

also make sure you use quick cast

[distant ingot]

I am

[hearty adder]

you should practice the nail cancel timing

[elfin vortex]

I also having consistency probs with VK. I always seem to get hit when doing the last 2 attacks on VK

[haughty fossil]

either you're slashing too close or still leaving the fireballs too slow

[distant ingot]

Also im having troubles with fire ball skip

Im not turning around

[elfin vortex]

Hmm. I 'll try seeing if I can improve them then

[hearty adder]

what are you using, keyboard or controller?

[elfin vortex]

U playing on controller?

[distant ingot]

Yea im on switch

[elfin vortex]

If so use claw grip and use dpad for turnaround

Dpad overrides joystick

Meaning ez turnarounds

[hearty adder]

Ok, controller has two methods: either doing it all analog and very quickly tapping analog on another direction, or as dyst0p said doing a claw grip on analog + dpad

i don't know how tight the timing for the turnaround is on switch, bc 60fps

[distant ingot]

What benifits would claw grip give?

[haughty fossil]

faster turnaround so less distance lost

[snow dome]

D pad overrides analogue stick

So you keep holding left with the stick at all times

[hearty adder]

like dyst0p & tami said, dpad overrides analog, so some people find it easier

[distant ingot]

Oh wait r u talking about using claw grip on my left anolig stick and d-pad?

[hearty adder]

with analog it's easy to go too far on another direction

[haughty fossil]

rather than having to pull stick from left through neutral to right, or unpress left then press right, you just do 1 input

[elfin vortex]

Yh. Look at fires vid on greenpath any% for more info

[distant ingot]

Ok

[hearty adder]

i personally learned analog-only and no claw-grip, so i can't give more tips on claw grip method lol

[snow dome]

Sometimes I miss them because I'm letting go of jump while trying to do all the inputs. Worth making sure you're getting a full jump

[elfin vortex]

Claw doesnt rlly have any drawbacks imo but as tami said yh dont forget about full jumps

[hearty adder]

the only drawback claw grip would have is if you just find it too physically uncomfortable to do

[distant ingot]

Im getting my full hop and fire ball timing but I'm just not getting the turnaround

[elfin vortex]

Yh and claw makes turnarounds ez

https://youtu.be/v5iOqvckUrg go to the fireball #1 chapter in fires vid and he will show how claw works

[distant ingot]

Wow claw grip is weird af

[elfin vortex]

Honestly its kinda comfy for me lol

[distant ingot]

Its mainly in my finger

But i may be doing it wrong

[elfin vortex]

Claw is uncomfy/wierd when learning it so dw

[hearty adder]

if you're not getting the turnaround at all, make sure you're pressing direction before you do the fireball - sounds obvious and redundant, but it may surprise you how many times you try to do something and when analyzing your step-by-step you realize you're not doing the inputs in the correct order

[elfin vortex]

Honestly this. Sometimes I myself dont pay attention and fuck up the turnaround by doing that so if ur failing it maybe record urself and rewatch it to see where u went wrong

[distant ingot]

Ok thx for the help

[true palm]

so i dont do normal clawgrip

personally i prefer to put my pointer on one and middle on another

i move my hand during the transition

i dont recommend clawgripping the any% skips, you dont really need to

except maybe the first ones nice, the one before entering greenpath

[vocal dove]

when i was on switch i played the whole game claw grip, because pro controller. if you have a good d pad you can easily do fb skips without analog

[stiff delta]

Claw grip is for nerds who want to be good at the game

[lean cypress]

Hey so i am trying to downpatch to 1.2.2.1 and it keeps saying Depot download failed manifest not avalible can anyone help

[kind flume]

please paste the command you used (not your username/pw though), and the exact error message

sounds like you might've put the wrong number or something

[lean cypress]

download_depot 367520 367521 648876203478229944

Depot download failed : Manifest not available

[haughty fossil]

did you run the steam downpatcher

[grizzled maple]

Thats the most common problem that matches this

[lean cypress]

how do I do that

[haughty fossil]

on the guide there is a link to download

[stuck raptor]

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[lean cypress]

ok thanks

[proud juniper]

Does aluba% count for the speedrunner role?

[hearty adder]

any verified run counts

what category it's for isn't important

[proud juniper]

Ah okay gotcha. How do I get the role then? Do I just ask someone?

[kind flume]

you ask here

check pins for lots more information :)

[hearty adder]

just link the src post here and a mod will get to it

ideally they'll just see you post it and give you blue role when they have time, however if it gets really buried in conversation you can also ping the src mods role

or whatever src mod you see online first

[proud juniper]

Src stands for SpeedRun.Com?

[hearty adder]

yes

[proud juniper]

Cool thanks for the info

Also question: If Im speedrunning to Twitch, are there any guidelines for making sure my runs are submittable? Like, should I pause notifications during runs? Also, how big should the game window be if its not taking up the full screen (if I use overlays)?

[rugged crow]

just make sure you can see what's going on

[azure saffron]

Any tips for making obs actually record hollow knight at more than 1 fps? Any other game works fine but not hk for some reason. I want to submit a run but cant because of this

[narrow pecan]

just make sure the entire game screen is in view, feel free to use overlays though, as long as you don't cover the top left, then you're generally okay

[proud juniper]

Okay thanks!

[hearty adder]

Checking the submission rules on src should tell you all you need to know on that front

[narrow pecan]

try to edit settings so that the recording features work within the bounds of your system

that too

[kind flume]

https://pastebin.com/z5qVqnSQ

[azure saffron]

Alright I'll check that out, thanks

[grizzled maple]

One of the big things with streaming this game is that if you have the option to do GPU encoding, you'll likely have more luck with smoother game feed.

The game eats A LOT of cpu so using that encoding usually doesn't work well.

[true palm]

theres not any strict guidelines, just make sure everythings visible, and dont cover up the top left where your hud is

[stray kestrel]

nor cover the version number in the bottom left on the main menu

right side of your screen is generally where you'll want things

[jagged vault]

The main thing is that you need to highlight your VODs if you wish to submit a run from them. The leaderboards require permanently available video proof of runs

oh gosh sorry for the reply ping

my badd

[proud juniper]

Nah youre fine. I plan on pulling the VODs and putting runs onto youtube anyways. I mainly wanted to make sure I wasnt going to have a good run and then find out I dont qualify for a reason I could have prevented

[jagged vault]

oh, okay!

[haughty fossil]

all the rules for submissions are on speedrun.com under the game rules section (view rules > game rules)

[jagged vault]

gl on running the game

[proud juniper]

Thank you!

Very much new to speedrunning but this will be fun 🙂

[uneven flame]

whats the optimal fps for HK? and what do u use to cap fps?

[true palm]

between 200-300 is standard

[digital jewel]

I use riviatuner to cap at 300

[true palm]

you can use rivatuner or your graphics card control panel

[steady lynx]

3fps for the 3-1 Uumuu

[true palm]

anything below 200 and you'll experience some input lag, and above 300 and you'll have difficulties in sanctum, upslashing baldurs, and some other stuff

technically intervals of 50 are supposed to be good for they physics and graphics engine to overlap properly, but its not noticeable from an nmg perspective

[uneven flame]

gotchu

can u set max fps for single games in rivatuner?

[true palm]

yup

[uneven flame]

thats nice

ill use that then

[true palm]

you can also do that with nvidia control panel, and im sure other cards would have something similar as well

though i recommend rivatuner

[uneven flame]

aite

tyty

[dreamy bough]

for reference, the game is very speedrunnable at 120fps :3

[haughty fossil]

jen no please

the drops to 120 feel like pain

[dreamy bough]

i want stable fps over unstable high fps

[brisk python]

Hi... I wanted to ask something about Speedruns: I finished the game in 2h 34m, is that enough for the rank? (I’m on a switch)

[stark birch]

the time is irrelevant, the only thing you need is a verified run on speedrun.com to get the discord role

[brisk python]

Okay, how do I publish it on speedrun.com?

Is a photo of the game completion time enough?

[stark birch]

no; all runs require video evidence. For switch it's timed RTA so you just need stable video with game audio for a run; for more detail the pins of this channel and the guides in the Hollow Knight section of src have you covered

[brisk python]

So I have to record the whole run basically?

[haughty fossil]

correct

full rules for submissions can be found on speedrun.com

[brisk python]

Ok thanks, but my phone can’t handle 2 hours long video ‘^^

[proud juniper]

You would use a screen recorder generally

[haughty fossil]

keep running until you get a time your phone can record

for switch you'd need a capture card which i'll assume you don't have

[brisk python]

Exactly

[ionic cargo]

you could just run shorter categories until you get a capture card

[haughty fossil]

you can get hdmi capture cards relatively cheap though

[brisk python]

I don’t think I can finish the game in 2 minutes ‘^^

[brisk python]

Like, just a boss speedrun?

[proud juniper]

aluba% works

[haughty fossil]

there are shorter categories on speedrun.com, none shorter than 2 minutes though

[proud juniper]

WR is 8 minutes 19 seconds

[hallow orchid]

Wow jamie this is KP IL erasure

[haughty fossil]

im not counting kp ng+ slow smh

[brisk python]

Oh ok

[haughty fossil]

muh single input then mash right

[brisk python]

What is aluba?

[proud juniper]

aluba is the flying creature above the acid lake by hornet fight #1

[haughty fossil]

(also please stop reply pinging me, there's an option to turn it off above the chatbox. most of us don't like being pinged in conversation because it usually means something urgent)

[brisk python]

Oh ok

Ty

[uneven flame]

for some reason rivatuner didnt wanna work but nvidia control panel worked fine

welp

success anyway

[frank obsidian]

what cat is dat

[haughty fossil]

like 3 categories on hkmemes

4ms and aluba% spring to mind but a lot of them are short

[ionic cargo]

also trial of the warrior

[dreamy bough]

just run 4ms nmms for short category

oh wait switch

[stiff delta]

run 4ms nmms anyways

[shut beacon]

whats nmms stand for ?

[haughty fossil]

no main menu storage

[shut beacon]

whats that ?

[stiff delta]

Menu storage but no

[haughty fossil]

allows all glitches except main menu storage

[stiff delta]

watch any% all glitches

[shut beacon]

is that the thing where they load 2 saves?

[haughty fossil]

yes

[ionic cargo]

its a glitch which gives you all god home items from a god home save file

[shut beacon]

can u do that on ps4

[haughty fossil]

no

[ionic cargo]

no it requires a mouse

[stiff delta]

you can almost do it right

[haughty fossil]

you can do it on cp but you need a mouse to navigate the menus

[stiff delta]

Like uou can get the double menus but then you are stuck

[shut beacon]

oh yea jamie, i think it was gusten who said u had some thing for ummu one cycle on CP with only shade soul

[haughty fossil]

the cp version is also much more limited as it doesn't do all the fun stuff 1024 does but it does let you load a godmaster save in king's pass which is interesting

[shut beacon]

they said to ask u if i see of on

[haughty fossil]

oh shade soul only cp 1 cycle is a meme tbh, feels very rng and i never practiced it

i have a clip

[shut beacon]

oh is it bad, im acepting a 2 cycle right now in TE

[haughty fossil]

https://clips.twitch.tv/RamshackleExcitedSardineTinyFace-SiAk1iRy0BaHC9tv

the setup allows you to 2 cycle for free and just allows you to go for a 1 cycle

also ignore me shittallking the dive uumuu setup i have seen the light now

[steady lynx]

Jamie, that's really useful for cp TE

The best category

[haughty fossil]

this isn't a meme channel

[lyric valve]

its not a meme, its the truth

[grizzled maple]

Again, please do not post memes here

[shut beacon]

ok , so i get 4 nail hits and go for like doubles or tripples with 4 fireballs

thank you : )

also , i love u trash talking the one cycle then going for it lol

[haughty fossil]

nah this isn't the all skills 1 cycle setup

there's a much more consistent one for dive + shade soul that is so much easier to get right and feels so much nicer

[shut beacon]

i dont run all skills btw

its for true ending on ps4

[haughty fossil]

yeah gotcha

[shut beacon]

idk i tried it once and didnt really enjoy it

[haughty fossil]

this is just the most optimal damage cycle for fireballs on uumuu and if the first shade soul doubles there's a good chance it can work

[shut beacon]

ehh even if it doesnt work i cant still get a consistant setup for the 2 cycle

[haughty fossil]

the important part is the first nail cancel, then knocking back uumuu over the middle plat

[agile crown]

Does anyone know the best way to make it to Herrah in a speedrun?

[haughty fossil]

?srpsa moment?

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[agile crown]

oh sorry

[analog monolith]

just curious, is cp any% uumuu 2-cycle a thing or no

[haughty fossil]

but this strat is essentially the same as the any% cp uumuu setup i've been going for

[analog monolith]

oh

[shut beacon]

it is i believe

[haughty fossil]

sawa it got done for the first time literally yesterday

it's recent in #any-percent-nmg

[analog monolith]

👀 i am timely

[shut beacon]

i think its pinned on the any% caht

[true palm]

until yesterday it was only theoretically possible

its not needed for record in anyway shape or form

[analog monolith]

damn that's insane

i'm probably not gonna be able to get it but hell if i'm not trying

[true palm]

3 cycle is by far what anyone would recommend you learn for runs

you can totally try 2 cycle

[analog monolith]

i still need to learn a consistent uumuu strat period tbh

[haughty fossil]

the plus side is the bait for this setup is the same as the bait for 3 cycle setup its just a way cleaner 2nd cycle and damage rotation

[analog monolith]

played rando so much i'm used to going in with shaman shriek

[true palm]

its not like its 2 cycle or bust

[analog monolith]

and still getting 2-cycle

[shut beacon]

or u can do what i do for any% and just get 5 cycles or somethin

[haughty fossil]

i was gonna post my uumuu any% cp tutorial but it was streamable and yeah now it's gone

[analog monolith]

is there any good vid for the cp 3c setup?

oh rip

[haughty fossil]

i should still have it somewhere

[shut beacon]

i saw rhino had one

[haughty fossil]

give me approximately 8 hours

[analog monolith]

lol

gonna stream steelsoul but might do some any% practice and maybe a run later

going through every room and preloading them before the run wooo

sucks i only get like 50fps with obs open though lmao

[haughty fossil]

ok as it turns out the tutorial i recorded recently was for as 1 cycle and not any% 3 cycle just watch rhino's tutorial, i do need to rerecord mine anyway for new bait positions and stuff

[analog monolith]

oh lol valid

[peak marsh]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FantasticIronicHumanBudBlast-d7LRPcp9iJwsnf4p

[hearty adder]

This is actually so good

[subtle glade]

How consistent should I get in wk before continuing practice?

[hearty adder]

If you feel you can win 50% of the time I'd say you're good imo

When you're just starting out it's no big deal to die once or twice at WKs

[analog monolith]

when you're starting out it's better to get nail 1, if you aren't

losing 2-3 mins to getting nail 1 > dying 2-3 times to wk and potentially other bosses

[subtle glade]

I don't want to learn safety strats, because then I'll just get used to those and won't learn the real route

If I learn, I want to learn correctly

[hearty adder]

That's perfectly valid

[analog monolith]

as you keep playing and practicing you'll get more consistent at bosses and be able to take training wheels off is how i see it

i like to do nail 0 in practice and nail 1 in runs

[flint flare]

I'd advise taking the safety bench in spire though

[analog monolith]

spire safety bench 100%

[subtle glade]

That I will do

[analog monolith]

loses maybe 10s saves a good 1-2mins if you die

[subtle glade]

Until I get to like 90% wk success, I'll spire bench

[true palm]

some safety strats are fine

nail 1 is not one i recommend unless necessary

[subtle glade]

I don't mean like safety strats, I mean reroutes to make things easier

While I will learn eric pogo, I won't learn deepnest route

[true palm]

i think deepnest routes good for beginners since its very low commitment

[analog monolith]

eric pogo???

[stray kestrel]

squit pogo

[analog monolith]

oh

[stray kestrel]

the squit's name is eric

[analog monolith]

i thought it was a new epogo variant lmao

[true palm]

deepnest route takes like 4 minutes to learn over the 20 years to learn qga

[analog monolith]

squit pogo isn't bad and saves a good like 20s still

[true palm]

theres 0 tricks or tech in deepnest

[analog monolith]

at least

i'll be completely honest

only reason i learned qga early is bc i hate deepnest

[true palm]

you barely see deepnest

theres like what a single husk you see

you go so fast theres like 0 enemies

thers no skips

no tech

its so minimal

[analog monolith]

it's confusing and maze-y

[true palm]

eh not really

[subtle glade]

How much time does it lose compared to qga?

[analog monolith]

and still spooky

[true palm]

40s

[analog monolith]

40s

[flint flare]

depends on which catagory/patch

[analog monolith]

so not much

[subtle glade]

any% 1.2.2.1

[analog monolith]

also #any-percent-nmg maybe?

[true palm]

ye its 40s

[subtle glade]

Don't have the role yet

[analog monolith]

ah valid

[true palm]

the thing is if you dunk even once, you have to have a perfect qg or you need to heal

between thorn warp and 2 devouts

[analog monolith]

thorn warp lol

imagine running 1221

[dry sluice]

actually thorn warps were patched out after 1007

[true palm]

its technically a hazard respawn mb

[elfin vortex]

Idk if this is a good to do but I normally practise till I get it 5/6 times in a row and retry it later to check if I can still do it so u may want to try that

[hearty adder]

What are real thorn warps then?

[analog monolith]

not a bad idea

[dry sluice]

you get hit through a loadzone with thorns of agony equipped and inventory open and you teleport to the coordinates of said loadzone but in the next room

or if you died with thorns of agony equipped and inv open you would respawn in your bench room but at the coordinates you died at

thats how you used to get shade soul in any%

[true palm]

oh because the shade soul room is still the same room as toll bench

that makes sense

[hearty adder]

That sounds sick af ngl

[dry sluice]

https://youtu.be/fcg-9qMS-xM?t=956

here's one to skip the crystal peaks toll

https://youtu.be/fcg-9qMS-xM?t=1544

and here's the shade soul one

[steady lynx]

I remember being confused because I thought Thorn warp was the name for the hazard warp in QG

[subtle glade]

I think this might help me learn, here's a clip of one of my failed attempts, could someone tell me what I'm doing right/wrong and how can I fix the mistakes?https://youtu.be/qIA6xedItAg

[strong vessel]

At least for the first knight, you can get a LOT more nail hits in, mostly from pogos as you dash over it. You can watch what people do to see what I mean. As for the others, you're doing them pretty well, you just have to get used to dodging their attacks and stuff.

[subtle glade]

Alright thanks, I'll watch the pogo

[true palm]

is it just me or is there no sound?

[strong vessel]

No sound

[subtle glade]

I think there might be no sound

[true palm]

also watch pests video on the damage rotation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc-_Vg-Y8ME

[last inlet]

yeah there doesnt look to be anything explicitly wrong other than the first knight being pretty slow

pest video and just doing the fight to get used to responding to attacks will help

[subtle glade]

Guess there's no substitute for experience, I'll just have to fight them a lot more times

[last inlet]

yeah, 'practise the fight' is very generic advice but it is effective

[true palm]

k i have something concrete for you

the red arrow represents how you want to take the fight

you like going back

the blue arrow is the correct decision

[last inlet]

altho make sure you're noticing what goes wrong (i.e. 'that was not much damage' or 'if i dodged it differently that would be better for damage/hp')

[true palm]

because once the far left knight finish bouncing

they'll be where you are running too

[last inlet]

don't be afraid to play aggressively

[true palm]

try to avoid corners

they're a lot harder to manage

[last inlet]

yeah getting trapped can make you take nearly guaranteed damage

esp if you arent sure how to deal with it

[true palm]

the situation i highlighted will come up a lot though, and regardless of if thats a roll or a bounce from the left knight, you'll want to go left and not right

[subtle glade]

Well when a guy attacks me my first instinct is to dash away lol, but true I should have dashed over

[true palm]

thats the issue you have though

you seem to want to run pretty frequently

running is fine

but sometimes its better to run in the other direction

[strong vessel]

Also, if you're in the air with no dash and one of them is rolling at you, remember that you can pogo

I always forget

[last inlet]

the correct response to a slash attack will usually be just to pogo dash over instead of running

[true palm]

you'll learn how to get out of tough spots with practice, but you need to train your instincts to keep you in good spots more often than not

[subtle glade]

I'm always scared the second knight will come and bounce and hit me

[last inlet]

the only time it'd be better to not get damage in is if it puts you in a corner or makes you get hit e.g. by another knight

and tbh depending on the other knight's position corners arent always terrible

[subtle glade]

I don't like corners cause they eat my fireballs

[last inlet]

fair

[true palm]

heres another example of something i notice a lot

you tend to go left and then dash back

this is bad as if the knight bounces you'll struggle to react in time if this is habit

[subtle glade]

Is the hitbox of the swing same as the white flash?

[true palm]

not quite

[subtle glade]

The jumping back thing is because I sometimes think I might not jump up high enough in time

[true palm]

theres no hitbox above them on the first swing

first swing is front and back, second is up and front

[strong vessel]

I'm pretty sure that just jumping and jumping and going to the left will clear the hitbox at about the same time

Because of the way that the swing is shaped

I don't actually know what the hitbox looks like

[true palm]

last thing i want to mention

until you are comfortable with sound cues

dont fireball unless you see both watchers

[subtle glade]

So the hitbox is something like this?

Made it square-ish for easier drawing

But I mostly mean the height

[true palm]

fairly close

the nail doesnt go that far forward

[subtle glade]

Alright, so it's much easier to jump over than I thought

Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it

[true palm]

the second swing looks vaguely like this

which is why when you just pogo the knights you'll often pogo this swing and not hit the knight (akin to a parry)

so be above them during first swing and behind them during second

[knotty vigil]

how to fireball skip i can't

[true palm]

are you using quick cast?

[knotty vigil]

yes but i suck at it

actually i should try it again

[true palm]

if you keep struggling, a video format makes it a lot easier to give advice

[knotty vigil]

i haven't tried it in a while because i'm busy

but in june or something i'm gonna go for 112% and speedrun

the last time my speedrun was trashed because i couldn't fireball skip

[elfin vortex]

Check fires greenpath any tutorial. Covers fireball skips fairly well

[true palm]

would recommend grinding out in practice before attempting runs

[knotty vigil]

should i keep on practicing on the save i am trashing

ahh ok thanks

[true palm]

you dont need to trash saves

you can back them up easily

[knotty vigil]

i already have one

[true palm]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[knotty vigil]

i did a "speedrun" very early on just to make zote die

and left it there

[elfin vortex]

Practise with debug mod imo. Infinite soul lol

[true palm]

i'd check out the guides on speedrun.com, watch some runs, and look at fireborns any% playlist if you're serious

[knotty vigil]

ahh ok

alternatively i can just straightup hack my savefile for the trash run

[elfin vortex]

Ehh in the long run having a seperate modded hk is better imo

[true palm]

theres a lot of tools for speedrunning for once you get serious, so i'd look around first before committing to anything

[elfin vortex]

If ur gonna do 112 keep in mind how long and how much stuff there is to practise so have a seperate modded hk. Im learning 112 myself and ngl kinda underestimated it lol

[true palm]

personally if you're busy, would avoid learning 112

as a first category

you'll probably spend many months learning it

run whatever you like

but some categories have large commitments to practice and time, and 112 falls under both

[strong vessel]

112 is so fun though

[elfin vortex]

Im probs sticking with 112 tbh. I rlly want to see the wr lowered in it cuz it has the potential to get lower

[strong vessel]

Way too long but really fun

[true palm]

112 is fun, im not saying dont run it

as someone who started with low% if you have the motivation to run a category you can do it

but 112 requires more motivation and time than some other cats

[strong vessel]

I'm quite busy and therefore probably won't be able to actually run 112 very often but learning it is really fun

I wish segmented runs were allowed but it's understandable why they aren't

[elfin vortex]

I hate to abandon something i started (therefore i never do abandon something) so 112 is right up my alley

[true palm]

i mean you could do segmented 112 by comsob grinding

[elfin vortex]

Segmented 112 with comsobs would be useful imo

[strong vessel]

Nowhere near good enough to grind comsobs

[elfin vortex]

I cant find 112 comsobs either

[last inlet]

there arent any afaik

[elfin vortex]

Shame

[true palm]

you could probably find golds for a lot of the top runners

they tend to track that with spreadsheets

[steady lynx]

112 gets a ton of fake or impossible golds in pantheons purely on soul counts

[last inlet]

yeah a lot of people will have a spreadsheet with golds in

[true palm]

throwing together a comsob would be super cool for the category

would probably leave pantheons out

[strong vessel]

I wish you could sum of best on the big splits and not individual subsplits

[last inlet]

i assume you'd split either whole pantheons or possibly bosses that come after benches

[strong vessel]

Probably, for more accurate golds, but I like seeing the individual times

[true palm]

ye unfortunately you cant but throwing a comsob together and working on optimizing it would be a great way to optimize a category that you cant run

even if some splits are like 20s because of subsplits

[strong vessel]

Are 112 splits even standardized

[steady lynx]

Not really

[true palm]

for the most part they are

the ones provided on src are standard

[elfin vortex]

Hopefully we may see a segmented comsob 112 to see the "perfect run" for the cat eventually. I may start working on one sometime later but its alot of work so idk

[true palm]

skurry has some with named grubs from elegy%

[strong vessel]

I changed the ones on SRC a little bit

Also, aren't they outdated too?

[steady lynx]

Oh, if you're doing a perfect 112 showoff, do Fury pantheons spliced

That'd be cool

[true palm]

probably, im not an expert on 112, you'd do a better job than i would

if you're interested in a comsob for it i'd ask around in 1xx

[elfin vortex]

Ye i would love to see it so i may do it once i get a good leaderboard ranking and make an updated 112 guide

[strong vessel]

I did get some updated 112 notes from Blue when I started running it

Though a guide is nice too

Because the one on SRC is outdated

[elfin vortex]

Makes it convenient for new runners so yh

[steady lynx]

I just watched a ton of recent runs when I learned it

Though I only ran it on the worst version

[strong vessel]

Yeah, Xeph's PB is up-to-date I believe

And pretty good

[steady lynx]

vali's too

[strong vessel]

Yeah

Dyst0p, maybe we could collaborate on stuff like a comsob sheet, standardized splits, and a guide and stuff? And maybe get some more experienced 112 runners involved and stuff

Especially since they'd probably be the ones getting the comsobs

[elfin vortex]

Sure would love to!

[strong vessel]

DM?

[elfin vortex]

Sure

[frank cobalt]

so when using livesplit

if I'm comparing against another set of splits I've added, it shows the splits

but then for the +/- after each split, it's comparing against my PB?

is that expected behavior?

[digital jewel]

you must have that column comparing against PB directly instead of "Current Comparison"

[frank cobalt]

sigh yeah dug into settings, that's what it was

why on earth is that even an option

"Hey livesplit, show WR splits as a comparion, but show the delta against a completely different set of splits lolol"

so that sadhk post from last night - I was like... 25-30 seconds ahead of WR, not a full minute

still impressive, but not as much lmao

[grizzled maple]

oh whoops sorry i just trusted sro. big mistake tbh

[frank cobalt]

tbf

it's livesplit's fault

for the thing I just said above

stupid livesplit

[limpid ruin]

yea livesplit is stupid. also since they're focusing on the rewrite (that's not usable yet with autosplitters?) there's no point in PRing any new or even improved features for og livesplit

and livesplitone (the new one) looks like it's in a bit of a development hell atm, but might get going soon?

[molten aurora]

Why is it that sometimes when I wall jump, rather than jumping out and back in, my character just goes straight up?

[dry sluice]

I believe that only happens if you do the walljump when you're like at the very bottom possible spot on a wall

[molten aurora]

That's what I thought to, but I just had it happen halfway up the final spire elevator.

[hearty adder]

maybe that could also happen at weird spots in the seams of the hitboxes?

[normal aspen]

Prob vertical seam yea

[molten aurora]

Yeah, that'd make sense.

[quiet saddle]

The climb continues

[molten aurora]

Very nice.

[fallow shell]

Why are they Melee characters?

[molten aurora]

Why not

[quiet saddle]

I'm a melee player primarily, and just wanted some unique icons

So they're in melee tier list order :)

[fallow shell]

Oooh

Cool

[quiet saddle]

My Cloak split is so trash tho

Haven't had a run yet where I've hit all 3 FB skips

[molten aurora]

I feel that pain.

[quiet saddle]

I'm not even that mad about it rn but I dread the days that are gonna come where I keep resetting in Cloak cuz I need that time save

It's such a large amount

[molten aurora]

I practiced from the greenpath baldur to the final fb skip for about 3 hours, since then I've never missed a fb skip in a run.

[fallow shell]

Damn, I popped in to ask a question about Melee’s relation to Hollow Knight, and I’m already kerfuffled by speed running terms.

[quiet saddle]

Melee has no innate relation to Hollow Knight, altho I find them similar in someways due to the drift control you have in this game

[quiet saddle]

How many runs-ish have been skip miss-less?

I wanna know how jealous to be

[molten aurora]

Completed runs 1, runs past cloak, like 20.

[quiet saddle]

Mad jelly then rofl

Wait a sec, aren't you the one that posted that video of doing 1 FB for the Hornet double FB skip?

[molten aurora]

That's me.

[stiff delta]

bit offtopic but luigi is worse than mario?

[quiet saddle]

Damn, you're cracked

And no, he's not, most people would say Luigi is better

I should update that

[stiff delta]

funny wavedash like going across a slip and slide

[quiet saddle]

Yea, he's a slippery boi for sure

[normal aspen]

Rip shiek

[stiff delta]

Redo this but its the sick list

[normal aspen]

I wanna see ppls take on a sick list

[copper egret]

I heard that someone already started doing the tas of any%, you guys know who is doing this?

[limpid ruin]

sick list? (@normal aspen bc it's a couple hours old and I'm curious 😤)

[normal aspen]

Yeah like list of sickest melee chars

Or hk runners if u are so inclined

[limpid ruin]

mm, not that I've heard of? mostly when we hear about TASes in here it's usually after they've been finished and published. honestly kinda sad, I'd love to be more on top of it, bc it's cool af

oooo

I vote ins0mnia for early game. or useless, impossible skips

[normal aspen]

early game
Hmm

[limpid ruin]

I mean, your early game golds are pretty frickn good often

the whole late game being worse means your pb early games are more often no resets tho

[copper egret]

I heard that sasha is doing thia

But I don't know him/her

[limpid ruin]

I don't know them either

[copper egret]

I am one of hk taser haha

I made the any Radiance, and fool3, ismas skip

And I am going for any%

[limpid ruin]

yee I rewatched the fool3 and isma's skips one yesterday. actually insanely cool

[copper egret]

Haha thanks

[drifting atlas]

Can anyone help me on the greenpath skip?

[onyx spade]

the fireball skip?

[drifting atlas]

ye

[onyx spade]

which one?

[drifting atlas]

when first encountering hornet

[onyx spade]

do you know about the squit backup?

[drifting atlas]

no im new

[onyx spade]

ah ok, you can use the squit to pogo across if you're struggling with the fireball skip

[drifting atlas]

k

thx

[onyx spade]

make sure you're using quickcast for the fireballs btw

[drifting atlas]

ok

[onyx spade]

and are you using keyboard or controller?

[drifting atlas]

controller

[onyx spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5iOqvckUrg&list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH&index=4&ab_channel=fireb0rn this vid will probs help you, go to 16 mins for the squit backup, and 14 mins for the fireball skip

[drifting atlas]

ok

[timber blaze]

where can I find the route for steel soul speedrun

also current patch

[molten aurora]

I don't think there's any specific steelsoul guide, your best bet is to probably just watch the top runs for the route, and watch fireborns any% tutorials for more specifics where applicable.

The only big difference between the runs afaik, is tram pass to get into city instead of shade skipping.

[onyx spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAxMIPclXws&ab_channel=Spiral_out here's the current steel soul CP wr, vid will def help for strats/movement

[timber blaze]

thanks

will this route work with steel soul? https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/d0ft9

that's a 100% route

[onyx spade]

this is a glitched route, is that what you want?

[timber blaze]

umm no ig

[haughty fossil]

?srpsa if you're looking for the 5 hour route (which takes no intentional deaths)

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[molten aurora]

Statue pogo room is actually the scariest room in the game. I suck at it so much

Guess I should actually learn statue pogo

[steady lynx]

Statue pogo is free on console for some reason

Probably spaghetti

[molten aurora]

Yeah, I heard vysuals talking about that on stream yesterday.

Is it just fps? Like if I vsynced at 60fps would it be the same?

[steady lynx]

No

[molten aurora]

Vsync statue pogo

[steady lynx]

It's not replicatable on pc

[molten aurora]

Oh, so it's just console being weird.

That's interesting.

[steady lynx]

It's like the statue hitboxes are bigger for some reason

[molten aurora]

I can almost imagine some weird sequence breaking skip being discovered that's only possible on console.

[steady lynx]

Unity might accidentally make some hitboxes bigger on console for some reason

[kind flume]

wow imagine if console suddenly became the fastest due to some skip. what a twist

[steady lynx]

That'd require a skip that saves 12 minutes

[normal aspen]

No way that's minor

Like nmg ruleset is gonna stop most stiff that would be found from saving tons of time

[kind flume]

i mean it'd just be a pogo. it's not gonna happen tho but

[sonic crane]

Steam down patch skip

[slim geyser]

12 minute timesave pogo

[molten aurora]

But we don't know for sure, somni, start playing on console and lab the whole game, ty.

[normal aspen]

[steady lynx]

It'd be if the wonky hitboxes let us just jump through the cpeaks gate or something

Actually, if you find a six minute console exclusive timesave PS5 can compare to PC cp

[molten aurora]

Only 6 minutes

[steady lynx]

Console 112 has about an hour of loading time

[cyan vortex]

if the hitbox of the black egg door load zone was bigger and therefore could be skipped that would save time

unlikely tho

[molten aurora]

Haha, I knew it was possible.

[leaden python]

SatanicNerd would be proud of you :)

I think this is the only runner who always went for tiktik pogo to my knowledge

[onyx spade]

I know onmiwe also occasionally went for tiktik pogo

[molten aurora]

Oh, it's actually a thing?

I find it easier than statue pogo soooo

[steady lynx]

Tiktik pogo is free with longnail

[molten aurora]

It honestly just seems free.

[onyx spade]

is tiktik pogo fps dependent? I know these things can be weird

[steady lynx]

Probably knowing this game

[onyx spade]

or load dependent

[steady lynx]

I've done it on switch from left entrance

[molten aurora]

It actually seems to be pretty lenient, I think I'll stick with it.

50% tik tik pogo > 0% statue pogo.

[silver rivet]

I have a question, how do you instantly skip all the cutscenes in one go

[molten aurora]

You mean at the start of the game?

Because iirc CP is weird and you can't instantly skip them all.

[leaden python]

yeah older patches allow you to instantly skip beginning cutscene, but current patch requires confirmation. TC added those because casual players kept skipping cutscenes accidentally

[digital jewel]

on console it won't let you skip until the next scene is loaded

[steady lynx]

On PS4 you don't load into KP until like 30 seconds in

[frank cobalt]

Alright so I posted this casually in sro last night, but I'm super super interested now. If anyone can figure out the mechanics of what's going on here and if it can be reliably reproduced RTA, I'll give you, idk, a really serious high five or something:
https://clips.twitch.tv/PerfectDeterminedCheeseNomNom-mzVv7VJtKO5Hsel3

my current theory is that I'm turning back to the left on the same frame that the conveyor belt is kicking me off to the right, so the game is caught in a weird state of "You're still on the conveyor belt" and "you fell off and grabbed the wall"

[digital jewel]

it looks like a few frames between you leaving the conveyor and turning left

I don't have a better explanation though

[frank cobalt]

yeah 😕

I'm trying to figure out if we can reliably reproduce it because if I KNEW it was coming instead of being surprised/scared by it

it makes that last jump way easier

[haughty fossil]

isn't it the same set of inputs for wcs/no wcs though?

[frank cobalt]

right but in the moment watching your knight fall down NOT on the wall is an "oh shit oh shit" moment

[haughty fossil]

so if there's no way to prevent it or make it consistent either way then you could just have a consistent mvoement

just gotta believe

[frank cobalt]

my first thought isn't "Cool got the wcs" it's "oh shit I missed the wall fuck fuck fuck"

what sucks even more is that debug mod doesn't show hitboxes for those conveyor belts

or the entire structure at all

Okay here's another funky one... can someone explain this lol

[steady lynx]

[normal aspen]

4ms cp thing

[steady lynx]

The floor is sloped and uh

blame spaghetti

[normal aspen]

idk if they figured out the why

[frank cobalt]

yeah if I look at hitboxes it's flat lol

[normal aspen]

prob subpixel stuff

[frank cobalt]

is there a reliable visual cue for that? would be pretty nice

[normal aspen]

not that i know of but havent looked it=nto it too much

[steady lynx]

If it's low% just do a tiny wallcling at the end I guess

[frank cobalt]

well I can also just inventory drop

but if I can move to the left while falling there, it's faster than a straight inv drop

[steady lynx]

Oh right, 1221 doesn't suck

[frank cobalt]

😉

in low%, we really don't have much movement to optimize, so we have to grasp at straws here where we can ha

[haughty fossil]

cp might be able to inv cancel to make it consistent but you then have to react to the hardfall

ig 1221 could do that too

[frank cobalt]

I'll probably just keep inventory dropping and cdashing honestly

[steady lynx]

cp low% isn't really ran right?

[frank cobalt]

yeah not really

I'm much more concerned with that conveyor belt WCS right now 😛

[steady lynx]

I know we have a grand total of one console low% run

It's so bad so I haven't even considered running it yet

[kind flume]

yeah that's just something we lived with in 4ms cp. nobody could figure out why or how to mitigate

also inv cancel doesn't really work cause you'd need really fast reaction time when hardfalling

[frank cobalt]

yeah, oh well