speedrunning

[molten aurora]

That's totally fine.

[subtle glade]

Ok thanks, that's what I thought but you can never be too careful

[regal viper]

Just ignore me in the screen lol

Do you want a clip of more screams/me taking geo?

[subtle glade]

Did you try it outside of godhome?

Maybe thk?

[regal viper]

This is me taking damage and geo

[regal viper]

Let me try that one

Doesen't seem to work outside of godhome, but going to te overworld doesen't deactivate the glitch in godhome

This state is weird

[subtle glade]

Try dung defender in godhome, see if that stops you

[regal viper]

Okay gimme 5 minutes

I can move during he's screams

I can skip screams in godhome but not outside godhome

[limpid ruin]

inside the pantheons themselves as well?

[regal viper]

Haven't tried it

It works in p1

I guess It works in every single one of them but I can try

[magic light]

vk doesn't stun you in p1

[regal viper]

Oh okay

[magic light]

try dung defender in p1

or p4 2nd boss screams

[regal viper]

I'll go to p4

It worked against enraged guardian

[magic light]

doesn't stun

[regal viper]

Does Lost Kin's stun?

[magic light]

yea

[regal viper]

It didn't

It's working

[magic light]

oh cool

[regal viper]

I'm afraid this stops working if I close the game or go to main menu

[subtle glade]

It wouldn't be viable in speedruns anyway as it's a corrupted version of the game and I don't think that's allowed

[regal viper]

Well It is a neat Discovery at least I guess

[deep kernel]

any category that gets a high percentage and doesn't go into sanctum?

[slim geyser]

that sounds unlikely drik

Shade soul and dive are pretty good abilites

I guess that depends what "high percentage" is

low% godhome ending requires 47%

oh wait

but yeah it gets dive

[deep kernel]

Just because of the massive amount of rng necessary to get through it without 10 soul twisters teleporting into you

[slim geyser]

🥴

TBH the rng of the area doesn't affect much outside of the lowest levels of speedrunning (where people find adaptation/reaction hard) and the highest levels of speedrunning (where timeloss for healing and safe strats just can't be afforded)

I might be overstating things but I don't think soul sanctum should be a huge barrier for runners that are in that middle zone

everyone starts at those early levels i suppose though and that can be a turn off

[deep kernel]

I think im just gonna practice it a ton cause 106 seems really fun

[limpid ruin]

wait are you telling me I'm the highest level even with no highest level times?

[subtle glade]

Is this considered a glitch?

[limpid ruin]

yea that's considered a major glitch

having the inventory open like that gives some big abuse potential bc of control and states not being handled properly, I believe

[limpid ruin]

but I don't know specifics of glitched runs (yet)

[subtle glade]

Alright thanks

[haughty fossil]

afaik closing inv just gives you control there

(while invisible and also dying )

[subtle glade]

I just wanted to use it to equip shaman's stone faster but I see the abuse potential

[leaden python]

But I think you can use invisible control for swag until you respawn on the bench, right?

something like people doing before birthplace climb

[limpid ruin]

yea. you can shoot a fb if you have soul for example

you even get to keep the immense 1-3 geo if you have good rng

[subtle glade]

Alright, guess I need to practise spamming right to equip shaman's

[limpid ruin]

but those are super minor and can't be abused any more than that, so they're minor glitch thingies

yee. it's honestly just spamming and learning the timing of the put on press

same as for buying shaman in the first place

[haughty fossil]

you have a fair bit of time really

[leaden python]

I meant swag like this. CP only

[deep kernel]

what do I do when this happens?!

[molten aurora]

I like to kill them and route out geo elsewhere, but that would depend on the cat.

[deep kernel]

k

[snow dome]

Try to get to 3 soul and just slam that fireball button

[steady lynx]

Two twisters so entered from the bottom? 106?

[molten aurora]

I was thinking 106 as well.

Which means no shaman and no shade soul.

[steady lynx]

Could be Fury and catcher but that won't help

[deep kernel]

is a 36 min shade soul okay for a first attempt?

but yeah 106

I just kill them now

[steady lynx]

I've started killing them in cp AS, saves me a headache

[molten aurora]

I usually kill the 1 that follows me in 1221 AS, saves me 2 headaches

[steady lynx]

At least 1221 AS skips heckroom

[molten aurora]

That's why it's best cat.

I need to get back to learning 106, but the whole sanctum just sucks.

[steady lynx]

In 112 I didn't say that the run really started until you got dive

Because the whole start is cursed

[molten aurora]

I think 106 and 112 start pretty similarly right? Outside of some lever skips. I'll have to check.

[steady lynx]

Yeah, identically, except 112 has to fight soul warrior and VK

Think most up to shade soul is identical otherwise

[molten aurora]

Yeah I thought so, just wasn't sure, I was mixing up 106, 112 and TE in my head.

[steady lynx]

Most requirements are the same between the two so the routes are similar

112 needs zote in colo to fight GPZ so mid to late game is based on that

The route is very based on Grimm flames so 100% TE does stuff way out of the 106/112

[limpid ruin]

gpz quest isn't very different tbf. it's like two extra stops before colo, and then gpz around when you'd nkg usually?

so deepnest with trampass

and vk

[steady lynx]

It mostly moves colo to earlier in the run so you can do gpz before grubs

[limpid ruin]

ah. sounds weird ngl, but we take those

[steady lynx]

So optimally colo overcharm with 7 masks and no nailmaster's

[limpid ruin]

how much does that save?

I don't see the logic behind it, sorta

[molten aurora]

No nail masters sounds kinda gross.

[limpid ruin]

but I also do, in another way

[steady lynx]

I'd assume they timed the alternative and came to the conclusion that it's faster to do colo earlier just to reduce dirtmouth trips

Since 112 ends the run in Godhome anyway

[molten aurora]

People who route the game are actually

[steady lynx]

I can't route, only run

[molten aurora]

It all makes sense when you run it, but I couldn't fathom trying to figure all that out myself.

[steady lynx]

I think originally two people routed 100% and came up with completely different routes

[limpid ruin]

yea. monstah and <I can't remember oof>

[leaden python]

Graig?

[steady lynx]

A bit sad 100 isn't ran anymore, but 106 is just kinda it but better

[normal aspen]

Craig

[hearty adder]

Why don't people run 100%? Is it just the route being boring or smth?

[snow dome]

What patch is 100 ran on?

[leaden python]

You should go to src and check current 100% WR description

[snow dome]

1006?

[leaden python]

also, watch the run itself

[normal aspen]

try playing on old patch

[steady lynx]

100% is ran on 1118

Or 1114 for nmms

[normal aspen]

yea

[short spire]

it doesn't have anything particularly interesting that 106 doesn't have

[steady lynx]

It's just the same without grimm, so no even slightly difficult boss at the end

Just destroy THK and radiance with flukes

And I don't think 1118 has lever skips so yeah

[molten aurora]

Isn't flukenest even stronger pre 1221? Or am I totally misremembering?

[steady lynx]

It's 144 on 1114 and earlier and could kill the same enemy multiple times

1118 up to 1221 it's 112 damage

I think it was useless on base patch though

They couldn't figure out what to do with it

[molten aurora]

Is killing the same enemy multiple times a big deal? Nothing jumps to mind.

144 damage is kinda hilarious though.

[steady lynx]

It breaks colo and you can kill 16 gorgeous husks at once

16x420 = lots of geo

[molten aurora]

Hmmmmm, yes seems to be the answer.

[steady lynx]

It's very much a major glitch

[molten aurora]

Do you happen to have a clip of that? That'd be really interesting to see.

Is it hard to set up the glitch? Or is it just using fluke = risking major glitch?

[steady lynx]

It's used in 100 nmms and base patch all bosses nmms

[leaden python]

yeah 100% had some minor things that got patched later - like early moss knight kill, but generally the only big appeal it still has is its routing exercise

[strong vessel]

Can't flukenest still kill the same Zote in the eternal ordeal multiple times?

[steady lynx]

Yes

[strong vessel]

🍝

[steady lynx]

[uneven pike]

I’ve been working on a NMG NMG run for fun

It’s got some cool tricks

Like a shade skip to do sheo without cdash or wings

[normal aspen]

yeah thats a thing

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/335199817

[last talon]

i beat hollow Knight in 3 mins by using the bench warp mod and giving myself everything

[hearty adder]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[subtle glade]

Isn't there a debug% cathegory on speedrun.com?

[normal aspen]

It's 9n the modded boards

[hearty adder]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmods

[deep apex]

Does using godmaster game mode count for pantheon speedruns? I don’t want to grind through it normally

[rugged crow]

I'm not sure, though there is a save file on src that's in godhome with lifeblood unlocked

[deep apex]

I’ll look and see if it says anything in the rules

[vocal dove]

was this always considered major? pretty sure i started doing this because i saw skurry do it in their TE PB

[deep apex]

Lifeblood unlock is only for PoH, right?

[rugged crow]

no it's for all pantheons

[deep apex]

Oh, is that allowed?

Wait, where even are the pantheon categories

[rugged crow]

under ILs on the main leaderboard

[deep apex]

Thanks

[frank obsidian]

My favorite category is Aluba% because im bad and it's easy

[uneven pike]

hey so for NMGNMG can you make the sheo shade skip without the fireball

im pretty sure you can with a nail pogo of the shade where it spawns but the run that was linked doesnt do it

[silver rivet]

I just remembered a question, can I pause my timer during quit outs to warp to benches

[digital jewel]

no

you can view the full rules on speedrun.com

[silver rivet]

Ok thank you

[uneven pike]

if you want to not have that timed you need to be using autosplit

its the only thing thats allowed to stop the timer mid run

it also stops for loads

[frank obsidian]

Autosplitter shaves off HUGE times from loads

Like I had a 4ms run that got everything first try, and then another one where it took me 10 tries for vengefly pogo and 6 tries for grub pogo but because the second run i had livesplit it paused the timer during loads and I did better than the super good run

[elfin vortex]

How do you autotime a pop run? Picked it up as a side cat to run when pissed with 112 but am only seeing a pop (complete) option in autosplitter settings

[jagged vault]

start and end in the room transitions

[limpid dust]

there's an autosplit for the end

you need to manually split the start

[elfin vortex]

Oh ok

[quiet saddle]

Uumuu plats eating my fireball may be one of the most frustrating things ever

[twin swallow]

Walls do be kinda hungry in this game

[last inlet]

pk spent all the money on sawblades and couldnt afford to feed the walls

[quiet saddle]

True

Also happens sometimes at the very edge of WK room, but I try to not put myself there for obv. reasons

[frank obsidian]

when the text appears i assume

[snow dome]

No, on the transition into the room

[twin swallow]

If you're using loadless timer in the autosplitter, you can hit start at any point during the transition

The timer will start counting automatically when you enter the first room

[elfin vortex]

Ok cool

[dense swallow]

how do i get my livesplit to be transparent

[true palm]

in obs, you can add a color key filter

you cant make the application itself transparent

[dense swallow]

ah alr

wait how do u have the timer ontop of hollow knight

can you?

[frank obsidian]

Have HK open, then tab out to desktop, open livesplit, then go back into HK before the Livesplit window comes up

[true palm]

you can make the game windowed borderless in steam launch settings, set livesplit to always on top

thats the best way to do it

[dense swallow]

i have downpatched do i add non steam game

[true palm]

this button at the bottom left of steam

[dense swallow]

alr

i added it how do i change the launch setting

[frank obsidian]

When the speedrun.com run gets verified

TY insomnia

[dense swallow]

is it in settings

[ebon nexus]

Brooo what? Just saw it now

[last inlet]

pest is gamer

[dense swallow]

ok i did alt enter and now the game has black borders and i cant do anything

about it

[ebon nexus]

What other games Pest do speedruns?

[grizzled maple]

pokemon mystery dungeon and celeste most notably

he probably runs other stuff too

[ebon nexus]

tks

Fireborn is in what place at 112% APB? Anyone knows?

[knotty vigil]

The answers to your questions could probably be found by looking on speedrun.com

[haughty fossil]

not a single soul knows

[river dirge]

can you get to fog canyon from the fungal wastes entrance without crystal dash or isma's tear?

[digital jewel]

no

you need ismas tear for that

not even crystal heart works

[river dirge]

what about anywhere else?

[haughty fossil]

the crossroads acid shortcut can be done with dash, claw, dash slash and 3 fireballs

[river dirge]

as in can you get into fog canyon without crystal dash or isma's

[last inlet]

wingsdash also work for xroads

[haughty fossil]

also you can just.... use the shade gate

[river dirge]

that would be for true ending though

[last inlet]

not in that order

[haughty fossil]

the issue in any% is not getting into fog canyon

its the acid pool after uumuu

[river dirge]

are you talking about monarch wings?

[last inlet]

ye

[river dirge]

no because I have an idea for a skip there

[haughty fossil]

good luck getting out

the game hardsaves you to monomon

the only way out is with dreamgate

[last inlet]

yeah this sounds like a softlock

[river dirge]

ok other question

where does the shade spawn if you die ther

[haughty fossil]

uumuu arena

doesn't work, been tried

[last inlet]

yeah that doesnt work

[river dirge]

hmm alright then

[haughty fossil]

there's a wcs you can do to get there (not within nmg ruleset unless you have cdash/isma's already) and some scuffed stuff with dashmaster wings

but getting out hard requires cdash, ismas or dreamgate

[river dirge]

what about dreamgate then would it take longer to farm essence than going to crystal peak and grinding geo

[tall breach]

Hey, l watch this person on YouTube

[last inlet]

yeah it'd be longer

[haughty fossil]

correct, that is why any% goes to crystal peak

[river dirge]

yeah okay the softlock ruins it got it

thanks man

[haughty fossil]

not a man but you're welcome

[river dirge]

man there is used as dude, aka gender neutral

[knotty vigil]

'Man' is not really considered a gender neutral term here

nor 'dude'

[river dirge]

would you then prefer dudesse?

that doesnt sound right at all

[knotty vigil]

You could just say 'thanks' instead of 'thanks man'

[digital jewel]

you can just choose to not use words that you know make other people uncomfortable

[river dirge]

not my intention to do that so if i did sry

[grizzled maple]

You'll find that speedrunning has a large % of trans and nonbinary members. It's in the best interest of most speedrun communities to avoid gendered language.

[river dirge]

alr will keep in mind thank you

I feel bad now sorry if I made anyone feel uncomfortable I assure you it was not my intention to do so

[digital jewel]

you're good. just remember it's not really productive to try and defend use of language when someone calls you out on it

[river dirge]

Will do
thanks

[ebon nexus]

fireb0rn just got 6th at 112% APB

[river dirge]

ggs

what's the time?

[steady lynx]

Bopping Spear

[river dirge]

sorry?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, Fire bopped spear if he got 6th

[dapper cove]

3:30:45

that was the time

[river dirge]

that's impressive

[steady lynx]

Does he still run on English?

[frank obsidian]

pog

[frank obsidian]

Was ur Elderbug% runtime intentional btw

[dapper cove]

mine?

yes

[jovial mountain]

no, he's back to running in chinese

[dapper cove]

and no he switched to chinese

I've been trying to get last place in a lot of cats so getting last isn't a barrier to getting into speedrunning

[steady lynx]

Just run on French then, it's the slowest language

[dapper cove]

trust me with the speed I go the language doesn't matter

i don't prep runs I just go head first into it so it takes eons

[stiff delta]

hey free timesave is free timesave

[dapper cove]

like it took me 2 hours to get zote%

and idk how long it's going to take me to do elegy%

[frank obsidian]

I acutally tried and ended up going slower than ur intentionally slow time

[dapper cove]

i wasn't intentionally going slow entirely, it's more i know that at my skill level currently if i were to do one attempt i'd get last place

by how far idk

aluba% was the only time I nearly didn't get last so i intentionally threw that one a little extra

[vocal dove]

i mean if we're competing for last i'll upload my 4MS PB

[dapper cove]

I'm not trying to compete, I'm just trying to make getting last place not a barrier to getting into speedrunning

we can turn it into a competition but that's not the point

[grizzled maple]

Just as a related side note: SRC does as a site specify minimal effort as a requirement. Intentionally trying to go slow is against site rules, regardless of if the community deems it okay.

[median gull]

what about that 24h kp time?

[grizzled maple]

There are people like who aim for slowest possible times that and they are really frustrating to deal with.

[median gull]

why is that approved if that's the case

[grizzled maple]

Probably under their radar for now viitor

[dapper cove]

I go slow within reason so that it's less likely for newcomers to get last

[median gull]

oh k

[dapper cove]

I don't intentionally go slow it's more I just suck lol

taking 2 hours on zote% was me trying my hardest the whole time

[grizzled maple]

Pokemon gets a few of these people a year. It's like an anti wr and people actually do 24 hour casual playthroughs.

[mental berry]

can someone send me a 112 savefile with all 5 lifeblood cocoons unlocked please?

[stiff delta]

i think its on src

[mental berry]

thanks a lot!

[elfin vortex]

Man seeing fire get up there in the 112 rankings is inspirational and depressing lol. Hes who got me into this game and speedrunning but holy fuck do I envy him. Like im still struggling to memorise the route cuz of my shitty memory from meds. Massive gg to him as a 30 is feckin awesome

[frank obsidian]

Yeah I didnt mean to get last place in Elderbug%, I was just bad

[woven tide]

how to setup for speedrunning?

[stiff delta]

pins

[woven tide]

no i mean

what software, blah blah

[stiff delta]

pins

[elfin vortex]

Watch fire's setup vid

Its in pins too yh

[tidal chasm]

Is there a way to set up a timer for ps4?

[mental berry]

is there a speedrunning leaderboard for hitless runs?

[haughty fossil]

console runs are timed real time, so you only need a recording. If you record using a capture card into OBS then you can overlay livesplit, otherwise you can just leave it and time manually on another device.

[silver rivet]

Kaskea, if you do runs under an hour you can record directly on ps4

[grizzled maple]

Not yet, but we are discussing it.

[digital jewel]

you can also stream directly from consoles

and then it's recorded

[stiff delta]

or record with a phone

[grizzled maple]

It would likely fall into hkmods to allow custom knight btw

[silver rivet]

I don't like streaming, I want to be private

[stiff delta]

I think kaskea was just asking about a timer though

[digital jewel]

you can stream to a channel nobody knows

[silver rivet]

There's always that chance somebody comes

[stiff delta]

There aren’t any natively on ps4, but most people use livesplit on a pc

[grizzled maple]

If you don't pick a category/game, you literally cannot be found without a direct link on twitch.

[silver rivet]

Oh

[stiff delta]

Console runs are timed rta though so you can just take start of run, end of run, time calculator, bada bing bada boom

[silver rivet]

Is fade to black just the end of the cutscene

[stiff delta]

Its the fade when you finishing giving the orange clouds the big suck

[silver rivet]

Ok

Thank you

[steady lynx]

Or for categories that kill a radiance it's when the last particles disappear to complete darkness

[tidal chasm]

thank you

[silver rivet]

Do I start when I press normal mode or when I first enter Kings pass

[stiff delta]

When you select the file/difficulty

[silver rivet]

I thought on select but then I watched some runs

[stiff delta]

In your case, when you hit normal mode

watch the console runs

[steady lynx]

It's on difficulty select 100%

[stiff delta]

there isnt difficulty select if you’ve never beaten the game

[silver rivet]

I've beaten the gsme

I have steel soul done

[steady lynx]

It's when you select classic mode then

[stiff delta]

So then on difficulty select

[haughty fossil]

details for how to time console runs are in the category rules for console rules fwiw

[silver rivet]

I've just never run before

Thanks

[steady lynx]

Fair, even if you start the timer wrong it'll be retimed to be correct, just convenience for the verifier

[silver rivet]

I am going to do some king pass runs to be on the leaderboards before I start running any percent

I can just film it on my phone because of how short it is

[leaden python]

you can, as long as recording is clear enough and there is in-game sound. But also, having blue role doesn't really give you much unless you want to collaborate in locked channels

[steady lynx]

You doing PS4 any% eventually? Sounds fun, I'm in

[silver rivet]

I've already started but I don't record

My best till now was about 2 hours 45 minutes

I pause, I don't follow the route exactly and die a lot

[steady lynx]

Well, I'm done with 112% and All Skills on console for now so might as well do any% on both

[frank obsidian]

Why doesnt allskills get dreamgate

serious question

[digital jewel]

getting it would take a lot of time and wouldn't save enough time to be worth it

900 essence isn't free

[haughty fossil]

(and because its not a skill 😤)

fwiw did all skills exist the time 1.0 was main patch?

[frank obsidian]

wait it isnt

i thought it is

[haughty fossil]

we define skills for the purpose of the category

[frank obsidian]

because the special text pops up on your screen

oh

[steady lynx]

It'd become fighting Soul Tyrant after Master and getting dnail earlier, then LK, Gorb and Xero

[haughty fossil]

I mean collectors map does that too

[steady lynx]

The route would suck

[frank obsidian]

oh yeah

[digital jewel]

I guess we have to read the tablet in kp that shows the focus tutorial too

[frank obsidian]

so we should get collectors map too

jk

i get it

i did a smortn't

[sturdy glade]

We need a lore tablet speedrun

[steady lynx]

There are so many charms that are pseudo skills

[frank obsidian]

ok gn peeps

[silver rivet]

Gusten what does APB mean

I also really respect your times

[sturdy glade]

all porlagalyphic buildlings

[grizzled maple]

The main reason dream nail skills aren't included is because it would make the category essentially elaborate TE that doesn't actually get void heart or TE

Its meant to be a mid category between any% and TE/1xx%

[digital jewel]

no, all skills didn't exist until 1.2

[steady lynx]

AS is amazing for when you wanna do more than any% but don't have 3+ hours

[haughty fossil]

OK so I can't make that argument of dg doesn't exist in base game

all skills is amazing for when you wanna do sanctum but you don't want to do it with dashmaster like acn

[digital jewel]

it is actually really nice for glitched routing that all skills can be on any patch

hadn't thought about that consequence before

[steady lynx]

AS nmms is really a treat to watch tbh, it gets DDark without DDive

[steady lynx]

thanks btw

[deep apex]

Beat my first any% nmg

First speedrun ever actually, I’ve never done any other game or cat

1:16:19, so not good but I’m still proud

I hope it gets approved by speedrun mods, idk why it wouldn’t but still

[silver rivet]

I can't even go sub 2:30

[hearty adder]

Always good to stay positive, the only way to get faster times is with time and practice

[hearty adder]

Also hey, that's a pretty nice first time

It may take a bit to be verified, but it will get done in due time

[agile dagger]

Is QGA skip patched as of current patch?

[stray kestrel]

nope still works

if you're on console tho it's more difficult becuase you're locked to 60fps and inputs are framerate based

[true palm]

qga is pretty difficult to time, you cant do it by spamming cdash as you slide or immediately out of your dash, its the hardest skip (besides pantapogo) in any%

these days sporeshroom is the flavor for cp which doesnt do qga

[vestal bloom]

So I just got my fix of the Cotton situation

[stiff delta]

what

[vestal bloom]

Situation with cheating about a month ago

[woven tide]

what kind of things should i use when i set up a speed run?

[languid bramble]

I just finished my first speedrun: 5:38 because Watcher Knights and THK took me about an hour each. Is there an easy way to practice these bosses repeatedly with limited health/nail upgrades?

[woven tide]

debug

probably mods as well.

i think my quickest speedrun is 2hr.

kept dying to soul master somehow.

[vital geyser]

If you don’t want to trouble yourself with mods, the speedrun.com resources section has game files. There should be one for all any% skip/boss benches with the items you have at that point

[vital geyser]

First, don’t have mods on. Remember to show the title screen when recording. For recording softwares I think most people would recommend obs. Make sure to have livesplits or a timer visible. And make sure to have game audio. Not sure if I interpreted this question right

[cold geyser]

top 10 saddest moments in gaming

i need to submit a run so i can post my bad runs in #all-skills instead of #speedrunning

[dull lion]

1:14 is definitely a decent enough time to submit for the role so go for it

[cold geyser]

unfortunately i did not record this run

next one i will i think

[deep apex]

I recorded a 1:16 run today, it’s pending approval

I’m gonna try to get it sub hour then maybe switch to pantheon speedruns

[runic gazelle]

I'm trying to path of pain speedrun and let me tell you

I am bad

started today, PB at 7:41 rn hopefully ill record and submit soon once I'm going a little more respectable times

[stray kestrel]

gotta start somewhere, i've been doing wp lately and pure movement stuff can be tough to optimize

[deep apex]

Does moving above a bosses head so they keep turning count as a major glitch? I don’t think so but I’m not sure

For nmg

Cause I know you can’t do big glitches to prevent attacking but that’s not really an exploit

[dry sluice]

no

[deep apex]

Thanks, just checking

[woven tide]

you did thanks

[quiet saddle]

It can be a bit annoying but I highly recommend setting up debug mod. There's a slight learning curve but your practice will be so much easier in the end

Use this guide : https://youtu.be/a-aCaVTAUtc

[limpid ruin]

How to install and use debug mod and save states on the patch 1.2.2.1 (video guide):
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/7br3d
#resources message
#resources message

Use these instead

these are great

[runic gazelle]

aye down to 5:45 on path of pain, not too bad for day one I think

[hidden burrow]

hi guys
I've been using the autosplitter/load remover and it works great. Although, I've been paying attention lately to game time / pause during load, and there are pretty significant discrepancies from one runner to another, especially during save & quit. (I mean the black screen before actually being in the menu)
on my runs it take around 8 to 10 seconds for the timer to pause after I validated 'quit' (and then it resumes when arriving to the title screen as expected), and for some it is only 3-4s. As we s&q at least 3 times (even 4 times with nail 1 route) this starts to be significant.
(btw I'm running on current patch)

[haughty fossil]

current patch?

oh yeah that's a known issue

unfortunately the only real solution we have right now would involve retiming every existing cp run that has save & quits

it's pc dependant so if you can find any ways to increase performance generally that should help, as well as maybe having the game on an ssd to reduce load time

[onyx spade]

jamie and I know the pain of CP quit outs

[twin swallow]

it's completely normal.

try to close non-essential programs to reduce CPU load (or consider upgrading your CPU if it's really important to you)

[haughty fossil]

imagine running 4ms cp and losing 4s right at the end of an 8min category for no reason

[twin swallow]

imagine running 4ms cp and losing 4s right at the end of an 8min category for no reason all sanity

ftfy

[haughty fossil]

fwiw on bad days i can lose like 20s across an all skills cp run to quitouts

[twin swallow]

that's actually so dumb

[haughty fossil]

absolutely cursed

[onyx spade]

but jamie you can also gain 1 second from your timer starting late 🙂

[haughty fossil]

plus i can never get comsob in a split that has a quitout

i can get comsob in kb if you count my timer deciding it wasn't getting out of bed in the morning

[twin swallow]

just run something with no quitouts

aluba wr?

[haughty fossil]

i had one time where the timer decided to just.... start 6s late?

[twin swallow]

classic

[haughty fossil]

like i had control and it just decided "ok cool now ima start"

[normal aspen]

Cp quitouts are so stupid

Like cp memes would be pretty fun othere8se

[twin swallow]

if you have shit quitout times you feel screwed because your time doesn't represent your skill, and if you have good quitout times you feel like you don't deserve your time

[normal aspen]

[steady lynx]

The real solution is to run console and feel bad because you're on the worst version

[normal aspen]

I just skip all thay and feel bad anyway

Jamie just get comsob vs

[subtle glade]

It won't be a problem if my recording has a gamepad viewer in the corner right? I like to have it to see what went wrong if something goes wrong

[kind flume]

long as it's not top left it should be fine

[subtle glade]

It's bottom left, I guess not the top left so that it isn't obstructing the soul/geo?

[kind flume]

that's right

[subtle glade]

Just asking because I heard in celeste for example you can't obstruct bottom right because of loading picture

Making sure there isn't something like that in hk

[digital jewel]

you don't want to cover the patch number in bottom left

[subtle glade]

Ok, I'll make sure that's visible, thanks

[steady lynx]

Generally the right edge of the screen is mostly safe to use for stuff

[frank obsidian]

i do the top right

[plain harbor]

i beat the game in 5 seconds

[steady lynx]

Good for you

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[jaunty anvil]

why r CP quitouts bad exactly ?

[haughty fossil]

tc changed how they track what time is ingame and what time is in quitouts

so on 1221 livesplit tracks correctly and stops during quitouts
on cp livesplit keeps trying to track as if it was 1221, and so keeps running until a while into the load

[hidden burrow]

hum ok thanks
I'll move the game on the SSD and hope for the best then 😄

[steady lynx]

Can't wait to see how 1.5 messes it up again

[limpid ruin]

I think it's more like the previous versions' states and stuff that happened during s/qs were changed in lifeblood, so the same logic is read differently. probably a sideeffect of performance optimisation

[molten aurora]

I have peaked.

[limpid ruin]

1.5 is already 64bit with unity2020, dw, it's gonna be huge

yooo goose that's actually really frickn cool 👀

controller?

[molten aurora]

Keyboard

[steady lynx]

If the autosplitter has to be mostly redone in 1.5 it will be fun

[normal aspen]

Russian hacks

[limpid ruin]

nah it probably won't, gusten, not anymore than just readding playerdata memory offsets atm

which will be effort, but not too much probs

do that without socd cleaner and you'll have my respect 😤

(socd cleaner too hard, I can't use it )

[short spire]

goddang

[molten aurora]

I can't get it 14 times in a row without socd cleaner, but I'm about 50% consistent without it.

[neon island]

That is still very impressive

Nice one!

[molten aurora]

Ax noticed me, time to retire

My one and only skill in this game is fireball skips

[digital jewel]

too bad the timesave from singles is negligible

[neon island]

Doesn’t it save like .5?

[digital jewel]

if there was less soul in gp it'd be a more common swag strat

yeah around 0.5 was my timing too

[steady lynx]

Can't wait until pest has to do singles to have a chance to pb

[molten aurora]

I never even attempt singles in a run is the thing, I just enjoy practicing them.

[short spire]

it's nice to have at least some confidence in them in case you're forced into it by soul

[digital jewel]

it's nice to have practice for them in a no reset setting

[molten aurora]

That's true actually, I did have that happen once and hit the single in a run, that felt pretty damn good.

[normal aspen]

1fb backup

[steady lynx]

I've done 1fb once on console, a miracle I managed really

[molten aurora]

1fb > squit

Wait, on console sounds terrible, I can barely do any fireball skips with vsync on.

[normal aspen]

#any-percent-nmg message

Why not both

[molten aurora]

I love that so much.

[steady lynx]

Console fb skip is so bad, I only go for one normally and then do dudepogo

[molten aurora]

Wait insomnia is Australian?

One of my fellow people

[hearty adder]

i think about this clip everytime i fail a fb skip lmao

[normal aspen]

Yeah I'm an Aussie

[rose geyser]

Question, If we running NMG on switch, are we allowed to pop to the home page and come back? ((by pressing home button twice

[short spire]

for what reason

[hearty adder]

as in, to pause the game? Or what for?

[rose geyser]

I donno, like accident in my case(?

[haughty fossil]

sounds fine

as long as you don't gain anything from it and it causes nothing major i see no issue, its just timeloss

[rose geyser]

Gotcha!

[steady lynx]

I accidentally opened the share menu on my first ever PS4 run, should be fine

[deep apex]

What’s the setting in livesplit where is shows your best split times and compares them

[dapper cove]

Sum of best is I think what you’re looking for

[deep apex]

Ok, thanks

[haughty fossil]

You can switch comparison (set hotkeys or right click > compare against > best segments) to have split deltas be to sob
You can add a previous segment component that either compares to current comparison, to a set comparison, or current comparison + gold

setting Predicted Time to compare against best segments will make it Best Possible Time, uhhhh possible timesave shows your comparison's delta to gold for the next split

[oak egret]

I was about to ask about this skip, but the version with 2 or 3 Vengeful Spirits even. Is there a specific trick to not lose height between the shots or is it just tapping the button as fast as possible?

[hearty adder]

You just gotta time it right

And use quick cast

[oak egret]

oh...

I didn't know Quick Cast was actually a thing. Just googled it

[hearty adder]

That's fine, the game doesn't really tell you about it

[oak egret]

ty for the reference btw

[steady lynx]

I'm a bit confused why the game has a dedicated spell button but it specifically tells you to press focus

[grizzled maple]

i'm just grateful they did it

[steady lynx]

It's just annoying starting out trying to focus, realising you don't have time and shooting a fireball

[grizzled maple]

Yeah they should've been two separate buttons

When I was doing the charm damage only run of P5 I would just reset if that happened because I felt like it was unfair

[steady lynx]

I've stopped doing it since I have a way better understanding of when to heal now

But I'd really prefer if we could unbind spells from focus completely

[limpid dust]

you could do the 200IQ of removing your spells with debug on your file

[subtle glade]

The time has come to learn the watcher knights for any%, I can pretty much do the first knight nohit but I always die when the 2 show up, I just can't manage 2 at once, do you guys have any tips?

Jeez that's a long sentence

[frank obsidian]

Go for double hits with ur fireballs, fire in the direction that one is moving so it hits twice

[uneven scarab]

practice, practice, practice

Most of the any% runners I know have spent at least 10 hours on them

[kind flume]

try to stay in the middle of the arena, it can be harder to avoid two knights coming at you when you're cornered

[subtle glade]

Thanks, didn't think of that

[silver rivet]

Go to godhome and practice till you can do it just by sound

[dull haven]

I heard rumour that there's a guide to all pantheon bosses (by hunthussle(? maybe?)) somewhere - does anyone know whereabouts it is?

[last inlet]

that is a thing that exists, not sure where tho

[hearty adder]

Practicing on godhome is a bad idea, HP values are different

And you fight all 6 instead of just 5

[stoic sluice]

i think this
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bQCxR24zG5ivLupoziJ5VDjit0boXyPuutltg6OekVA/edit?usp=drivesdk

[dull haven]

Thank you!

[kind flume]

if you nail only in godhome it's still fine practice for purely surviving. also check out the watcher knights guide in fireborns video and the short one from pest

[agile dagger]

I’m looking at the route for any% nmg on speedrun.com, and do you think it’s worth it to get nail 1?

[kind flume]

it can be if you're struggling with bosses

[agile dagger]

I have had some troubles with Watcher knights and occasionally THK

[haughty fossil]

run spelless 🙂

[stark birch]

" 🙂 " is a weird way to spell "TE"

[haughty fossil]

quack i can only take so many meme categories rn

let's get people into spelless any% first before we start upgrading

[stark birch]

but I can't be the only person that suffers through spelless marmu, I'm not strong enough

[ebon nexus]

If I do the downgrade to 1.2.2.1 my switch control will not work anymore?

[haughty fossil]

correct that's known

use joytokey or something to get controller inputs working either as keyboard inputs or as an xinput device

[ebon nexus]

Ok I'll try it tks

And how I download this?

[kind flume]

livesplit? there's guides on speedrun.com

and probably answered in the pins in this channel

[frank obsidian]

Spelless Low% GE

omg i didnt mean to ping

im sorry

[stark birch]

spelless GE is impossible you need at an absolute minimum one dive to enter godhome/kill flukemarm

[stiff delta]

Almost spellless ge incoming

[hallow orchid]

Spelless GE 1mg

[stiff delta]

Every run just has a misclick

My bad guys

[stark birch]

like I'd take one-dive-cast GE way above low% GE give me my nail 4 plz/ty

[flint flare]

If you're really struggling and just want to finish runs it can be worth. Once you get comfortable with the fights it'll be faster not to but it's a nice intermediate step to be able to finish runs without just grinding watchers over and over

[steady lynx]

Hey Quack

max% spelless

[wide hatch]

I kinda wanna start trying speedruns, would it be reccomended i get that one debug mod first in order to practice stuff?

[frank obsidian]

Spelless (Execpt for 1) Low% GE

[hearty adder]

Yes, debug mod is very very good

Just remember that runs submitted to the leaderboards can't have any mods installed, not even moddingAPI

[wide hatch]

Alright, so would I have to like uninstall it somehow

[stark birch]

like that's not in my notes file already 👀

[hearty adder]

People usually do either of these:

1. Have two installs of the game, one modded one unmodded
2. Have one install of the game, but replacing the assembly depending ln whether they wanna play modded or vanilla

[wide hatch]

you can have 2 installs of the game

i did not kno u could do that

[hearty adder]

To have a separate install of the game you can just copy the whole folder and paste it

[wide hatch]

alright, ty

[frank obsidian]

Aluba% NMMS time (toggles on invincibility) ||/j||

[true palm]

also make sure you have a steam_appid file otherwise it will always launch your default install

[frank obsidian]

TF, this just happened in a run lmao

[ionic cargo]

[snow dome]

What... What is happening here?

[true palm]

it almost looks like the inventory dropping into vs mixed with dplats softlock

[steady lynx]

What are you running that gets Lifeblood?

[true palm]

was also kind of wondering that myself

[frank obsidian]

iAmDumb% (I did casual route then remembered I was supposed to be zooming)

[hearty adder]

Hey, does anyone happen to know if there's a tutorial/short explanation on how to perform mms on 1028? i don't know if it's any different from performing mms on cp

[dry sluice]

same thing but way more lenient really

quit menu, back to main menu, click start

and then from there to get in game you just click start game and then an empty file

also for the going to quit menu and then back to main menu you can just mash esc. since on the main menu esc brings you to the quit screen and from the quit screen it brings you to main menu

[hearty adder]

Awesome, thank you

[silver rivet]

I thought of a really dumb meme category

Fly%

You need to get defender crest and go to the kitchens in city of tears

[hearty adder]

What's Defender's Crest for?

[ionic cargo]

because there are flies in the kitchen where poggy thorax is and flies like bad smells, is what im assuming

[strong vessel]

They flock to you

If you have defender's crest on

[stiff delta]

would you need 2 keys or one?

Ik you would realistically need 2 for sewers and pleasure house but couldn’t you spike tunnel into dung boy faster

[jagged vault]

one key

right side city access + one key

[steady lynx]

Then we could use the key at the top of city

[stray kestrel]

i think the second fastest key would maybe be sly key which is pretty slow

[steady lynx]

There's also basin but that's so slow

[stray kestrel]

i think you'll need cdash for this run then

[steady lynx]

Or nail1

So, slow

[stray kestrel]

well to get into ww from spike tunnel you need ismas or cdash

sly key might actually be worth

[steady lynx]

You'll need cdash either way

[hallow orchid]

Sly key is faster than cdash for sure

[strong vessel]

I feel like two keys would've faster

Yeah

[hallow orchid]

Because cdash needs either 1800 geo or dive

[strong vessel]

Sly key is lantern but less expensive

[stray kestrel]

rafters and kings seal

[strong vessel]

Sly key and city key is probably fastest

[steady lynx]

I have a few ideas for route, gimme a bit

[hallow orchid]

The geo for sly key is pretty free too just grab kings seal and gorgeous husk or something

[stray kestrel]

i think blue lake shade skip

save sly on the way

and then ghusk and right side relics

[stark birch]

yeah this is just marissa% but you economize for a second key and have to fight dung defender with music

right side city ++

[strong vessel]

Yeah, claw, shade skip, bench at king's, ghusk, storerooms key, quit, sly key, quit, Dung Defender, quit, pleasure house?

[hallow orchid]

This is objectively worse in every way than marissa audience%

[stray kestrel]

its shorter

more approachable for newer runners

[strong vessel]

Marissa audience% looks not fun

[stark birch]

objectively worse
does not contain dark deepnest
pick 1 and it has to be the second one

[haughty fossil]

quack please

its not even hard

[stark birch]

would rather do spelless TE

[haughty fossil]

i am begging

[stray kestrel]

so quack when is your ungathering swarm run coming

[strong vessel]

What about glowing womb spike tunnel

No thanks

[hallow orchid]

Gwomb spike tunnel is fun though

[strong vessel]

No spike tunnels are fun without cdash

[stray kestrel]

i once spent ten minutes trying to do gwomb tunnel before remembering i was doing nmms and could literally just float through

[hallow orchid]

Marissa audience is, admittedly, a pretty brutal run lol

Unless you're a long time rando player

Lmao mayo

[stray kestrel]

i would have kept going had chat not said anything

[vital geyser]

mayo you dummy

this is why we love you

[frank obsidian]

Dung Defender OST

[silk dune]

i cannot seem to find out how to get the input override thing that's useful for some stuff, and there is nothing i can really find about it online! can anyone help?

[hearty adder]

Do you mean SOCD cleaner?

It's in #resources

Overrides directional keyboard input to make fb skips and such easier

[silk dune]

oh ok thanks! yeah the thing that fixes having to release buttons. thank you!

[dense swallow]

yesterday i set up livesplit i forgot to save it now the timer isnt even starting

i have game time on

[hearty adder]

do you have any autosplits on your autosplitter?

[dense swallow]

wait i restarted let me try again btw yes

[hearty adder]

also, did you open livesplit before or after the game?

[dense swallow]

before

[hearty adder]

try opening it after the game

[dense swallow]

i accidently ended it on one second how do i remove the time

ok i reset

[hearty adder]

you should be able to check all your timer keybinds by right-clicking livesplit > Settings

[dense swallow]

ty!

[subtle egret]

its hard

to do speedrun

several fails

B(

[steady lynx]

The secret to not dying to any% WK is to be so bad so you don't even make it there, works for me

[hearty adder]

or runs categories that don't do dreamers, just look at the meme cats

[vital geyser]

or all skills for a really easy wk fight

[steady lynx]

Godhome Ending doesn't do dreamers, ezpz

[haughty fossil]

all charm notches does no dreamers 🙂 🙂

[stark birch]

does godhome ending not need to fight white defender in the overworld?

[haughty fossil]

no i believe wd just appears

my first fight casually w/ wd was in godhome

[last inlet]

clawless shade cloak great hopper% does no dreamers

[stark birch]

I know you can get him in HoG by fighting dungdef in overworld + godhome but I still don't know how dreambosses work in panths

[hearty adder]

4ms does no dreamers, also it doesn't do anything at all outside crossroads

nkg% and hiveblood% do no dreamers

[last inlet]

if we carry on we can just list like 90% of the meme cats

[hearty adder]

yes

because they should all be run by everyone

[elfin vortex]

If I remember correctly ur doing the 5hr speedrun achievment? If so dw cuz in 5hrs theres enough time for several major fails and deaths

[strong vessel]

Also, 5 hours is a lot more time than you think, so you're able to get a ton of stuff

Without practice, doing any% WK is slower than getting ddark first, and any% doesn't even get dive

[elfin vortex]

Getting a nail upgrade helps if ur struggling with twk massively btw. Perfectly fine detour for the 5h given

[hearty adder]

also, if they are here for 5hr cheevo,

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[elfin vortex]

Splits u can download through livesplit itself. Layout i dont think u can but its simple to setup to get like that. Check fire's guide

[distant ingot]

Im new to speedrunning as a whole and im trying to do any% NMG current patch and something ive noticed is that im yaking a long time with vengfly king and hornet in green path any tips on optimizing em

[steady lynx]

Look at what other runners do with those and set up practice with debug mod, etc

[vital geyser]

in the room to vfk, gather 7 soul. you can copy what other runners do and do the vfk quick kill. its not too hard. for hornet, count your hits for staggers and understand that she will always jump after staggering. use your fireballs you shouldnt need to heal.

[distant ingot]

Ok

[vital geyser]

ok i realized that my tips for hornet were kinda vague. so ill try to go in depth a little more. After staggering her, hornet will just short or long. the strategy most runners use is to hit her once, jump as she jumps, and up slash when she is above you. Move inwards so she jumps over you and you slash her as she moves away. Sometimes, she will kind of jump in place. In that case, do the same thing but use side slashes to just keep her on the same side.
when hornet throws her needle, you can jump in and do nail fireball nail, jump over the needle as it comes back and do another nail fireball nail. in total this is 50 damage which is a lot considering hornet has 225 hp

gl on your runs

[distant ingot]

Thx

[lunar panther]

best route for getting to deepnest without qga?

best entrance i mean

[grizzled maple]

https://youtu.be/WaZ6yRHOf-o

this is the route and strats

[lunar panther]

pog thanks

[steady lynx]

If you're on cp also pick up Spore Shroom since it ruins THK

[lunar panther]

yessir

[ebon nexus]

If I follow this instructions I'll not lose my saves for sure, right?

[hallow orchid]

Correct, this won't affect your saves. You can always back up your saves first if you want though, which I highly recommend

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[stray kestrel]

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[south herald]

Yeah?

[stray kestrel]

thanks

[potent mountain]

[analog monolith]

just how much does spore shroom destroy thk? i haven't been able to like find any demonstrations of it

[snow dome]

Many

It applies up to like 5 Unique instances onto THK, so ends up doing ridiculous amounts of damage really quickly

It also goes through the parry and doesn't wake it

[jagged vault]

most importantly, it damages through the self stab

one full use deals i think uhh like 100-120 damage

[frank obsidian]

Did my friend come up with the White Defender skip or no

[jagged vault]

not sure what you're referencing

probably not

[stray kestrel]

skip? you can skip him by just not fighting him

[jagged vault]

i think they mean the screamskip

[frank obsidian]

ill grab the video

[hallow orchid]

The white defender scream skip has been known and used for a very long time if that's what you mean

[frank obsidian]

ignore me totally throwing Gorb BTW. So this skip for White Defender bc u cant Ddark him out of the ground. My friend showed it to me when he got me into the game

[frank obsidian]

heck

[jagged vault]

your friend is lying if they claimed to come up with it, since that has been widely used for a good amount of time

[frank obsidian]

No they never said that, they just showed it to me

[hallow orchid]

I mean they could have independently found it to be fair

[jagged vault]

yeah i was gonna say that

[stray kestrel]

just like columbus discovering america

he did it, he just wasnt the first

[jagged vault]

good find on them!

[flint flare]

minus the genocide but yeah

[hallow orchid]

Anyway, the best way to scream skip white defender is move under him after he comes out of the ground and dive

[jagged vault]

(talking about fluffy's friend not columbus)

[stray kestrel]

yea the analogy doesnt go very far

[hallow orchid]

It gets some damage in and only does a single damage tank

[stuck raptor]

just like columbus!

[frank obsidian]

When I first got the game I was dying to false knight, and i broke down the wall and I thought I was a genius until my friend explained to me lol

[snow dome]

The little Knight did kill a lot of these bugs TBF

[stuck raptor]

the best little detail that TC put in is if you go back to false knight after having broken the wall, he will have reinforcements on the wall so you can't break it again

[frank obsidian]

WAIT REALLY

[snow dome]

I assume the trigger for this is VS?

I think it happens in Rando but I always thought it was a weird bug or something

[stuck raptor]

Maybe

[jagged vault]

or just having broken the wall, left the room and reentering

[stuck raptor]

maybe both

[jagged vault]

prob VS though

[stuck raptor]

could be like infected crossroads. multiple ways to trigger it

[snow dome]

I could check but I won't

[frank obsidian]

not this, just tested

[thick adder]

So I'm not entirely sure but I think I may have found a glitch that lets you preform a slightly faster Winged Nosk fight. Don't know if I'm the first person to discover this but I couldn't find anything about it. May as well share it anyways

Basically trigger the opening cutscene while preforming a cyclone slash and you'll be pushed back as Winged Nosk forms

You'll lose a heart but when you respawn, you're free to move

you could probably get in a great slash when the fight actually starts, which in turn could make the fight faster

[jagged vault]

early control strats

[thick adder]

exactly

Lemme guess: this is already a thing and I just stumbled upon it

[haughty fossil]

actually im not sure if it is a thing

[jagged vault]

i've never seen anything go for this specific instance

people do the same trick with dash slash at crystallised mound in all skills to get early control

[thick adder]

also, as a side note, I am playing on the Nintendo Switch version. Not sure if that changes anything but may as well put that out there

[jagged vault]

but you seem to have been the first to think of this specific usage

[haughty fossil]

shouldn't change that

[jagged vault]

no, it works the same as current patch

on PC

[thick adder]

alright just making sure

[haughty fossil]

and at black egg temple for cyclone knight memes

[jagged vault]

i could see that being really useful for early soul gathering

while nosket is still close

[thick adder]

you can't hit w nosk until after the stagger would actually stop and the fight begins

otherwise it would be way more useful

but... it's something

[jagged vault]

you can start closer to the boss

i wonder if this would allow us to get on top of the boss and do a strat similar to the start of the VK fight

[thick adder]

well, only one way to find out

brb

[dark blaze]

You can already just get early soul at the start

I dont think its that game changer unless you can get more damage, it might be able to get a lot more health but idk

Ill test it in a while

[ebon nexus]

Why is this happening?

[haughty fossil]

your documents are being backed up by onedrive/google drive and its failing to back up

[quiet saddle]

Is walking faster than jumping? Like if I jump, is my horizontal velocity slower or the same as walking?

[haughty fossil]

you don't need to acknowledge it

the same kishoto

[grand plume]

Is it possible to get the custom speedrunning saves for splits on a switch?

Or just any custom saves?

[quiet saddle]

Dope, thought it was but wasn't 100% sure

[haughty fossil]

you can edit saves and download them as switch version using https://bloodorca.github.io/hollow/

that should be able to convert any pc save to a switch save

[ebon nexus]

Ok, and how do I solve this?

[haughty fossil]

move hk out of documents

or just don't bother

it doesn't mean anything other than your game files aren't stored in the cloud, which you don't want anyway

[snow dome]

It's a one drive thing, nothing to do with hollow knight

[ebon nexus]

I thought it was important cuz my game is not working, when I start a save it doesnt start the game

[haughty fossil]

what's the last file in hollow_knight_data called?

if it's not sharedassets391.assets then it's very likely your downpatch didn't finish before you moved it

[ebon nexus]

that's my last one

[haughty fossil]

yeah you're missing files

make sure all the files from the depot folder are moved, and if there are none then do the downpatch again and make sure you wait for it to say its finished in the console

[ebon nexus]

ok

tks

Now it's working

[grand plume]

Src has some good custom saves, right? How can I just move those to my Switch

I only have the software versoin of HK if that matters

[haughty fossil]

you should be able to transfer saves onto the sd card?

After converting them from the encrypted to unencrypted version, that is

[deep apex]

I was on pace to get a pb but i forgot to reroute the recording location in my OBS and I ran out of HDD space mid run

[short token]

It seems that when you're sliding down a wall with mantis claw and you hold opposite directions with analog stick and dpad you get normal fall speed but keep the wallcling. Probably useless but I thought it was interesting.

[molten aurora]

You can actually use it on the conveyor just before cheart, negligible time save, but neat.

[hearty adder]

damn, +1 point to team controller

[molten aurora]

You can do it on keyboard too

[ebon nexus]

How do I use JoyToKey so I can use my pro controller on HK

?

[leaden python]

do you have any particular issue with it? Like something specific doesn't work? Or you just don't even know where to start?

[ebon nexus]

Don't even know where to start

[hearty adder]

the Joy2Key website has an faq that explains how to use it

however if you've already read that, we can help

[deep apex]

Are you using it on steam? If so, you just need to do the controller setup in steam settings

[ebon nexus]

Yeah I'm

[ebon nexus]

I didn't read it yet, I'll read now tks

[deep apex]

do you want to use steam? its easier

[ebon nexus]

Actually I'm reading it tomorrow, I need to sleep now, I have a test . Prob going to do my first speedrun tomorrow night

[deep apex]

Sounds good 👍

[ebon nexus]

If its easier yes

[deep apex]

ok, go to settings where i showed on my prev screenshot

then controller category here

then general controller settings

[ebon nexus]

Ok, I'm with u

[deep apex]

then turn on switch pro configuration support on, that should be it

I would recommend not using nintendo button layout, it switches jump and focus

[ebon nexus]

wait, what button do u guys use to jump?

[deep apex]

bottom button

so it would be B on the pro controller

[stray kestrel]

you can also edit your controls in game, your enter and back buttons will be swapped tho

[ebon nexus]

Ok I use this one too

[ebon nexus]

I did that btu the pro controller still not work

[deep apex]

one second

[ebon nexus]

That's why I downloaded joytokey, cuz people said it would not work the pro controller in 1.2.2.1

[deep apex]

I play 1221 with pro controller, it works fine

you need to click on the tab and wait a second before the controller starts working though

If steam isnt working, joytokey is fine too, I just don't know the setup for it

[ebon nexus]

Ok, I'll learn how to use joytokey tomorrow

tks

gn

[knotty vigil]

that happened to me too

except my computer just ran out out of space

[deep apex]

I think ima switch to pantheon speedruns anyways

[knotty vigil]

0 bytes

I might do pantheon runs too

[deep apex]

So did mine, but I have a hard drive and an ssd and I accidentally set it to ssd and it ran out

[knotty vigil]

oh

[deep apex]

For pantheon speedruns is it generally better to get grimmchild or carefree melody?

[stray kestrel]

pantheons use neither generalyl

unless you're doing like low% ge

in which case you have grimmchild but not fully upgraded

[deep apex]

ok, thanks

I think im just gonna go for carefree since I need the achievement

[molten aurora]

By a pantheons speedrun do you mean 112%?

[grand plume]

where can I find some custom saves for the switch? I thought they'd be on SRC and I could download and move them to the Switch. I just want to practice any% NMG CP splits on my switch

Is there a website or do I need the save editor

[stiff delta]

i dont think ive ever seen someone do custom saves on switch

[sinful scarab]

spent 4 hours trying to practice dashless queen's station fireball skip
not sure I believe it's real anymore, I can only do it if I slow the game with debugmod to anywhere between 0.7 and 0.2
Any faster and I just can't cast a second time before I'm already below the platform

[molten aurora]

Just to make sure, are you using quick cast?

[sinful scarab]

Yeps!

Jump to apex at the sign border, turn-fireball-turn, repeat?

Doing the turnaround is being incredibly difficult, but even when I get it off I just can't seem to cast fast enough

[molten aurora]

Controller or keyboard?

[normal aspen]

You don't have to do it in 2 fireballs, you can use a third for extra leniency

[stiff delta]

using a third is infinitely faster than missing it

[normal aspen]

You want to do it a quarter the way down, half way down and three quarters the way down

[sinful scarab]

I'm playing with controller, and I didn't even know you could do it with two, I've been trying with three

[normal aspen]

You can use the dpad turnaround trick too

[sinful scarab]

Oh this is helpful, thanks!

[normal aspen]

I always just did them normally but some ppl swear by it

[sinful scarab]

...dpad turnaround?

[normal aspen]

So u hold r8gut on the stick and tap left on the dpad and fireball

The dpad direction overrides the stick direction

For 0 frame turnarounds

[sinful scarab]

Oh that's interesting! I was having a lot of trouble with the timing since I know you can't hit the stick direction and the fireball at the same time, or it'll go in the wrong direction

but it's also small enough that I can't count, so, I've just been trying to do it over and over to drill it in

[molten aurora]

My god I've practiced fireball skips too much, I got the skip on my 3rd attempt. Totally yolod it with no idea on the setup.

[onyx spade]

do it with 2 now goose 🙂

[stiff delta]

do it with 1

no

Do it with 0

[hallow orchid]

Is qs really possible with just 2? I know you can fireball the wrong way once or even twice but I thought you needed the momentum resets

[normal aspen]

Yeah math 2 is decently comfy

[sinful scarab]

woah

[hallow orchid]

Yeah that doesn't even look tight

I've never tried with just 2

[stiff delta]

Now do it with 1

[molten aurora]

.

[onyx spade]

lmao

nice

[molten aurora]

I've spent a whole 2 minutes practicing this skip

We don't talk about the amount of hours practicing in greenpath though

[dull lion]

Fireball queens station isn’t really that bad IMO. I can’t hit the wraiths version in rando for shit though

Like it’s not easy but you hear that it’s crazy difficult a lot and that’s just hype

[normal aspen]

Yeah most skips are just practice

[onyx spade]

did with one fireball ez

[hallow orchid]

It's definitely one of the hardest fireball skips

[normal aspen]

Yeah prob top 5 or close to it

[onyx spade]

what fireball skips are harder?

[true palm]

the one to mantis village

[onyx spade]

wait from right side? didn't even know that was possible

[true palm]

yup

it is

[onyx spade]

imma try it

[normal aspen]

Mag ismas part 1 and 3, esp3cually the nail swing version, a version of unn skip, mantis village, dash slash fb claw cloak xroads acid skip

Off the top of my head

[onyx spade]

love key also is hard

[true palm]

love key isnt as bad from experience

[molten aurora]

Wait, after all the meming, I don't even remember what mag ismas looks like.

[narrow pecan]

Imagine hard, then double that lol

[molten aurora]

Do you have the clip of you doing it somni? Time to become the 2nd person ever to hit mag ismas.

[normal aspen]

https://twitter.com/ins0mniaSR/status/1351546155671273472?s=19

ins0mnia (@ins0mniaSR)

I also spliced together this tonight, the full Ismas section of the old TAS route! It's not perfect in editing or execution but it's far and away the best depiction of it we have. https://t.co/6doszpzVXv

Twitter · Jan 19, 2021, 3:04 PM

The easy version

https://twitter.com/ins0mniaSR/status/1325753650635923456?s=19

ins0mnia (@ins0mniaSR)

I got a skip that had been proven possible by Magolor9000, one of the original pioneers of randomizer skips, over THREE YEARS ago. https://t.co/rTNiKtpxmR

Twitter · Nov 9, 2020, 10:54 AM

The mag way

[onyx spade]

I always wondered, how do you actually get into the hwurmp room?

[normal aspen]

First clip

Covers getting in and soul collection

[onyx spade]

nah like the room you start in

[true palm]

you have dash and wings

you can just make that iirc

[normal aspen]

Spoke tunnel

[onyx spade]

ahh

[normal aspen]

You have dashmaster so she's pretty chill

[onyx spade]

no way this is possible

[molten aurora]

What's actually happening at the start? It almost looks like you get 2 dashes then wings.

[true palm]

it is

its nearly pixel perfect

and was required for low% cp until insomnia discovered a fireball epogo

(you could do a shadeskip that loses like 3 minutes)

[verbal stag]

if you dash off a wall it's like dashing off a platform

[onyx spade]

shadeskip?

I was gonna say

[verbal stag]

so you get your dash refreshed

[onyx spade]

did anyone actually do a low% CP run with this skip?

[true palm]

nope

so if you were to do that or the fireball epogo record would be pretty lax

[onyx spade]

makes sense

[molten aurora]

I feel like this is really basic information I probably should have known.