speedrunning

[dapper cove]

Yeah give it more time

[true palm]

nah you should ping

<@&284848710960021504> can Zenith get blue role QwQ

thanks

[ionic cargo]

thanks

[dapper cove]

[slim ivy]

Nice zenith

You are now blu

[sudden plaza]

Hello there o/
The modding discussion said i could have better solutions here 🙂

I'm starting speedrunning the game and i have an issue, so i though i could get some help here :3
I saw there is a mod installer that i used
I made a copy folder of the game to intall the mod for keeping a training and a running version.
Both version works well
Then i made a shortcut on steam to avoid switching folder names.

Then my issue : My controller is not recognised when i start the game with the "custom shortcut"

• I tried to enforce the controller with the steam options
• tried to start the game with big picture

Both of these does not work, and i did not found any intell while searching on the internet.
I'm using a Xbox One controller with the official wireless adapter from microsoft.

If someone does have a solution, i would be happy to hear it (or i'll just switch my folders which is the solution that works atm )

[dusk portal]

Joy2key is an alternative too, have you tried it?

[sudden plaza]

nope i did not

i prefer switching folders than using J2K 🙂

[digital jewel]

try turning off xbox controller support in steam

this is what mine looks like for using xbox one

[sudden plaza]

seems to do the trick 👍

[digital jewel]

nice

[sudden plaza]

thanks ^^

[subtle glade]

That's what this channel is for

Does it do that immidiately after the command or later?

Do you have enough space for it? Do you have hk downloaded? I honestly don't know what could cause the errors

Is it yours or family shared?

[last inlet]

are you doing it through the steam console?

[subtle glade]

Wait, depot 367521 for app 367521? You sure you typed the command right?

[last inlet]

-app 367520

not 367521

[subtle glade]

^

download_depot 367520 367521 648876203478229944 this is the command for 1.2.2.1

[last inlet]

np]

[subtle glade]

glad to help

[knotty vigil]

Sry for ping, but scruffy's run on src is up to date with all the new reroutes including the deepnest overcharm (which is totally optional)

[leaden python]

yeah definitely recommend Scruffy's run. It has all the new strats and reroutes, like it has a couple deaths, but definitely the best source to learn the route and some advanced movement strats

you can always pick up individual segments like white palace and colos from WR

[elfin vortex]

Is there a guide/video explaining how to do the godhome sect of 112 as quick as possible?

[strong vessel]

Watch pantheon runs, I guess?

You can see the strats for each boss and try them out in a Godseeker save file or something

Godhome is thankfully very easy to practice

[leaden python]

from here and till the end https://www.twitch.tv/videos/819529277?t=2h52m45s

[elfin vortex]

Ah so I need to learn from watching the runs ok cool

[true palm]

written/visual guides are nice but you often learn a lot from just watching runs

[hearty adder]

Especially when it comes to runs that not as many people actively run

and runs that get regularly rerouted

[steady lynx]

Thing with pantheons is that it's not really routable, it's just seeing what strats other runners use and practicing trying to get a feel for how the fights go

Most bosses are just slap with the nail until it dies and use spells sometimes

[strong vessel]

Though 112 as a whole definitely gets rerouted a lot

[steady lynx]

Only small parts thanks to vali

The general route is pretty set mostly thanks to Grimm

[strong vessel]

Thanks, Grimm, for forcing us to do things in this order lol

Though some things are actually just so convenient

[steady lynx]

It's fun with 100% since no Grimm so it just does cpeaks close to the end

[strong vessel]

Like the grimmkin masters in resting grounds and then in kingdom's edge, which lines up perfectly with the first journey to king's station

[steady lynx]

A lot of 112 route is either very convenient or very well thought out

[strong vessel]

Both, often

I love the huge journey around the map from crossroads to kingdom's edge after Grimm

[steady lynx]

That's my favourite part of the run

By then you got past Hornet 2 and Grimm so it's pretty smooth sailing until Colosseum

[strong vessel]

Yep

Then a break, then... flower quest

Everyone's favorite part

[steady lynx]

And then white palace and Pantheons

[strong vessel]

All of the stressful things are concentrated

[steady lynx]

Honestly, I find the pantheons kinda relaxing

Most of the bosses I can autopilot

Though I'm not running 112 again until 1.5 drops

[strong vessel]

Dashmaster fix though

[steady lynx]

That's the main reason

[strong vessel]

I CANNOT wait for that

It might still be faster to run on 1432 for various reasons, but there's no way I'm not playing on 1.5

[steady lynx]

inb4 1.5 just adds a boss or something so it's 113%

[ionic cargo]

im scared 1.5 will have some hidden stuff which will make things really annoying

[strong vessel]

WK roll-back attack getting added back might mess up some current patch categories

[stray kestrel]

probably mostly any%

[steady lynx]

Also low% console, the most ran category

[mental berry]

can someone send me`their Pantheon5 speedrun splits please?

[stray kestrel]

#1xx-percent message

[sudden plaza]

Hi again 😄
Another question, is there a way to reset the debug mod trainer bindings ?

[fair island]

Go to the saves file location and delete the files named debugmod.globalsettings and debugmod.globalsettings.bak

Also more of a #archived-modding-help question

[sudden plaza]

Okay 🙂

thanks

[stiff delta]

hey cuties

im back

[stray kestrel]

hi back

[stiff delta]

nvm

[mental berry]

thank you!

Can I also get the splits for Pantheon 1 through 4? 😅

5 is a bit tough to start off with

[next jasper]

guys is there anything related to the monitor refresh rate on speedrunning the game?

[stiff delta]

yea

iirc the vsync epogo only works on 60 hhz

[last inlet]

yeah i believe so

[old orbit]

where can you watch vods from the all skills races?

[hearty adder]

they're getting uploaded to the Hollow Knight Community youtube channel

[old orbit]

thank you!

[craggy pebble]

how do i track my best segment time on livesplit

[next jasper]

oh, right... do you know if it's ok if I change the refresh rate mid run just for the pogo?

[neon island]

That is against the rules if you use RivaTuner or something like that to change it

But if you use the in-game vsync, it is acceptable

[dry sluice]

you're not allowed to change the monitors refresh rate mid-run

[neon island]

Oh, refresh rate

I was thinking fps, mb

[hearty adder]

if you're on pc, you're better off trying to learn one of the comfypogo variants than using vsyncpogo imo

[elfin vortex]

This. Honestly just learn comfy and maybe panta as a backup (that being said I still havent been able to learn panta lol)

[crimson minnow]

Hi I got one of my runs verified, could I please have the speedrunner role?https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/m7d9v54m

[hallow orchid]

Imo just learn comfypogo and go around as backup for long categories, reset as backup for short ones

[subtle glade]

How do I get the void heart to work properly with debug mod?

Because it costs 5 notches when given by commands

And that's not ideal for p5 lol

[umbral shard]

Does anyone know if power A nintendo switch controllers work with 1.2.2.1? I just downpatched and my controller won't work. Thanks

[subtle glade]

If it's from steam you could try controller support?

[strong vessel]

Or use joy2key

[subtle glade]

^

[umbral shard]

whats joy2key?

[subtle glade]

An app that let's you bind controller input to keyboard

[umbral shard]

oh cool

ill fiddle with the options and if that doesn't work maybe ill try it

[subtle glade]

I didn't want zote, and I'm further into pantheons than 0, so I don't want to do those again, also I've just given myself kingsoul and went to the birthplace to get it normally

[digital jewel]

why didn't you give yourself the charm with debug?

[hearty adder]

Switch controllers don't work on 1221, no. You've already been given alternatives, but I wanted to answer your question directly just in case

Hopefully steam controller support should be enough

[subtle glade]

It didn't equip default and costed 5 notches if I did manually

[digital jewel]

hmm

it should have

does debug let you remove charms and then readd them

[subtle glade]

Maybe the fact I used the give all charms thing could be the cause?

[digital jewel]

well no the give all charms thing is the normal way

[subtle glade]

Kingsoul and grimmchild yes

If you change them to lv 0 then it is taken away

[digital jewel]

ok did you try that

[subtle glade]

I did

And gave myself the void heart again and still wasn't equipped

Maybe going to some cutscene place or something took it away? idk

[signal wraith]

Anyone got a good route for steel soul 100%?

[dense swallow]

wtf wk 3x in a row

i feel like a god

[fickle star]

first speedrun in the bag

[strong vessel]

Steel soul 100% in speedrunning isn't really a thing, though 106 and 112 optimally don't have any deaths

Otherwise, yeah, not the channel

[crimson minnow]

<@&284848710960021504>

[dusk portal]

I think you should've waited a little more before pinging

[crimson minnow]

Oh sry

[dry sluice]

no point in waiting people should just ping with the initial message

[dull lion]

Yeah I’m pretty sure voidheart is broken in cp debug. I’ve had the same thing happen repeatedly

[uneven flame]

heyo, quick question regarding HK downpatching: when doing so via steam, am i gonna end up with both my "normal" HK game and the 1.2.2.1 version in my steam library or is it going to be only 1.2.2.1

[digital jewel]

you can do either one

naturally the files will download to a folder you've probably never looked in before

so it's your choice to have 2 separate installs or 1

[uneven flame]

aite cool

ty

[ember rune]

hey, quick question, is the auto splitter supposed to work with 1.4.3.2 or is it not compatible?

[digital jewel]

the autosplitter works with all versions of the game

[haughty fossil]

(except the beta unless that got added)

[digital jewel]

ok fair it doesn't work on the beta

[haughty fossil]

if the timer isn't starting either you need to add an autosplit in the autosplitter settings or you can try relaunching livesplit after the game has started. If livesplit is located in your downloads folder, try moving it out and launching after the game is launched

[subtle glade]

Also make sure your exe is named hollow_knight.exe, it took me quite a while to recognise why it wasn't working

[haughty fossil]

if the exe isn't called hollow_knight.exe i think there should be a fair few other issues

[subtle glade]

Actually no, if you rename the exe and the _Data file to the same thing it will work correctly

At least I had no problems with it

[frank obsidian]

HuntHussle got the P2 WR by 1 second from MonStah

[ember rune]

It's not only that the timer doesn't start, the splits don't show up (don't mind the blue background that's on purpose). also my exe has the correct name

[haughty fossil]

show the edit splits window

[subtle glade]

Are you sure you saved the splits not just closed the window?

[ripe swan]

Hi, I'm trying to get debug setup, but apparently i'm extremely incompetent, I can't get anything to work. Can someone help me? 😂

[ember rune]

here's my edit splits window

here's my auto splitter settings

If i deactivate and then activate the auto splitter, the splits do indeed show up but the auto splitter never starts

[true palm]

are you starting hollow knight before or after livesplit

[true palm]

theres a guide on src, but the api and debug mod in the drive are outdated, you can find updated ones in #resources

[ember rune]

I tried both, if I start hollow knight before, the splits don't show up. If i start it after, the auto splitter doesn't work

[digital jewel]

start hollow knight before

[true palm]

aw are you on one monitor? if you are run in windowed borderless and launch livesplit after hollow knight. also make sure livesplit isnt in your downloads

windowed borderless is mentioned in the livesplit guide on src

[digital jewel]

what does your livesplit layout settings look like?

[ember rune]

I don't know how, but I solved it. I installed the game in the same drive as livesplit and now it works. Thanks everyone for the help tho

[silver rivet]

Hello

I have a couple questions about the rules and strats

[hearty adder]

Ask away

[silver rivet]

Can you pause a run in the middle and come back later

And how would I document runs on the ps4

[twin swallow]

1. Pausing the timer manually is not acceptable and any paused time will be added to your run as a penalty. (from Game Rules on speedrun dot com)
2. stream your runs to twitch and highlight the vod, use a capture card to record gameplay into your pc, or just point a camera at your pc and record the screen

[stiff delta]

you can pause a run as long as you leave the timer running

[silver rivet]

I mean what if I stop playing

[stiff delta]

ngl im suprised someone hasnt submitted a run that features them just eating dinner mid run

as long as the timer is still going you could do anything

[silver rivet]

And close the game

Doesn't hollow knight have an internal timer

[twin swallow]

yeah but it sucks

[stiff delta]

we use an external one

[verbal stag]

the internal timer is terrible

[silver rivet]

Oh

[stiff delta]

some all skills runs are 7 seconds long

ez wr

[verbal stag]

it can show times under a minute

[silver rivet]

Ok then what about documenting on the ps4

I don't have a PC for hollow knight

[verbal stag]

.

[twin swallow]

then use the third option in that ^ message

point camera at monitor, record, play game

[silver rivet]

Oh

Ok

Thank you

Any good timers I should use, or can I just use a phone timer

[twin swallow]

since you're on console your runs will use real-time and don't particularly need a visible timer

(timer starts on file/difficulty select, ends on fade-to-black)

but if you want a timer to also be visible in the recording, anything will do really

[silver rivet]

Thank you so much

[twin swallow]

np enjoy runs

[ivory glade]

Not strictly a speedrunning question but more so a stream setup question so I can submit a speedrun, for people who use a keyboard overlay (saw monsahler's where it only shows the relevant keys) and would love to use one as well, what are people using?

[twin swallow]

I believe nohboard is the one most people use

[ivory glade]

I'll mess around with it, thanks

[stiff marsh]

I finished my first all skills run a few days ago which felt great but I still need to shave a couple hours off 😅 but I'm trying my second full run now and so far I've gotten first try greenpath mosquito pogo skip, first try hornet 1, and first try blue lake shade skip. Feeling pretty hyped about that!

[ripe swan]

what are the autosplits for start/end?

[twin swallow]

timer starts automatically on entry into kings pass and ends automatically on any ending (no autosplit required)

[hazy birch]

just be sure to have end-triggering autosplit unchecked (which should be the default)

[true palm]

it doesnt matter if its checked

its only matters if you're running an il, you need it, but it doesnt hurt to have on

iirc

[hazy birch]

i thought that was used for non-completion cats (like 4ms etc) to stop the timer without getting an ending? if i'm wrong my bad

[true palm]

it is but it will stop regardless afaik

like if you have extra splits it might mess things up

but otherwise you wouldnt have enough splits for it to end early

[silver rivet]

Anyone here speedrun on console

[stiff delta]

there are console leaderboards

[silver rivet]

I saw those but I can't get into contact with any of them so I was wondering if any of the runners were here.

[stiff delta]

i used to speedrun on switch

what do you need

[small magnet]

Hey all. Debugger is acting kinda funky. Almost like it's TOO responsive. Like, I can basically open and close menu instantly over and over, inventory opens and closes instantly, stuff like that T-T. Anyone know what the issue could be or how to fix?

[fading fern]

The Radiance on the 5th attempt! Way better than last time!

I did get punched a lot this time by the watcher knights, lost 15 minutes to them

[silver rivet]

How do you hit menderbug

And how do you open inventory while falling

[hearty adder]

Pause so you get early control, then use nail

[hearty adder]

Since you're on console, you'll have to do current patch inventory drops, which can only be done when pressing inventory as you're falling off a ledge

[silver rivet]

Oh

[hearty adder]

they're physics-frame perfect, so you get 1/50th of a chance to do it

they aren't as hard as they sound if you learn them at specific spots, though

[silver rivet]

I'll just have to practice then

[hearty adder]

most notably gruzzer room

[hearty adder]

Yeah, just getting the muscle memory in

[silver rivet]

One last thing, how do you move during the initial fall in Kings pass

[molten aurora]

You can't on current patch.

[silver rivet]

Ok, thank you

[hearty adder]

Yeah, on older patches you used to be able to pause-unpause to get early control there, but they patched it out in that part

Looking up resources on current patch speedruns should help, even if they're pc-oriented

[silver rivet]

Thanks a lot 😁

[worthy blade]

hey when iam downpatching and it says depot failed error in writing chunk do i need to restart or do i just let it run

wait nvm i figured it out

[quiet saddle]

Does pest stream? And if so. Can someone link it?

[stray kestrel]

I'd guess his twitch is connected to his discord profile or like src acc

[jagged vault]

Twitch.tv/pestilentbox2 i think

[frank obsidian]

pest is absolutely insane. In the past few weeks, he has single-handedly lowered the any% WR by over 30 seconds!

[molten aurora]

I just did something I've never seen before in the dnail sequence. I jumped and dashed as usual ready to wall jump off the 2nd platform, but rather than clinging to the platform, I got launched up to the 3rd platform. I think maybe I was just a tiny bit early and I dashed inside the platform before it appeared, so when it appeared, it forced me up while keeping my horizontal velocity.

I really wish I was recording, because that was strange.

[digital jewel]

Yeah this is known. It's tough to get it consistently

It requires you to be at the right spot when the platform spawns and without losing height

[limpid ruin]

pest isnt even that much better than when he set the first 32, there's just not as much mental pressure on "that first 32", and he's of course more experienced and can just grind and chill

[molten aurora]

Huh, I'd never even heard of it before, I figured it would be hard to get consistent though, just because how weird it was.

I actually stopped mid run because I was so confused.

[limpid ruin]

fun fact you can make it up top even after the plat is fully spawned, it's absolutely cursed tho

I've an awesome setup I refuse to share bc I'm on phone 😤

[umbral sleet]

is there a way to get the autosplitter to start when I enter path of pain? (for IL)

[limpid ruin]

only with manual splitting to start it

[umbral sleet]

ah alright... thx

[limpid ruin]

yea it's kinda annoying. wanna look into making it support stuff like that tho

[umbral sleet]

that would be good
maybe being able to split on transitions in/out of every room..

[limpid ruin]

yea. it needs a lot of work to make it well tho, so easy to procrastinate

[umbral sleet]

understandable 😄
other games I run have no autosplitter at all, so even what there is now to hk is super helpful

[molten aurora]

I was messing with this inv drop when this happened, I don't understand how I fell so fast, I was just trying to get pushed left.

[limpid ruin]

in short: slope jank

[frank obsidian]

The slope pushed u

[red valve]

U

[steady lynx]

Inventory drops interacts with slopes, fun

[molten aurora]

I know it was the slope, I was messing with it for 5 mins, just this 1 attempt I fell ~twice as fast

[frank obsidian]

Maybe the slope accelerated u?

[steady lynx]

If you do that drop with a cp inv drop you end up in the spikes, very fun

[frank obsidian]

Thats what it looks like

[limpid ruin]

I wonder if it's just some super jank float vectors where the slope added to the vertical on top of gravity already

[frank obsidian]

[limpid ruin]

I know xero had that happen on the left side at least once as well

already crash landed before he could react

[molten aurora]

Every day I realize more and more just how broken the game is

Also, sometimes I hit the top spikes but still hazard warp to the bottom. It's probably slower, but nice if you mess up.

[frank obsidian]

The PoP skip with the thorns hitbox is just , right? Not intentional?

[molten aurora]

I think it's just really convenient hitboxes. There's a lot of places where you can stand on the corner of spikes.

[limpid ruin]

honestly there's very little point risking an inventory drop there to spikes if you have anything below 100% success rate with the woosh speed

bc mawlurks are already plenty annoying at full hp

and yea the pop thorn spot is just hitboxes not lining up perfectly, and there just being enough space to stand there

[molten aurora]

Oh yeah, I was enjoying my slope jank so much I forgot about mawleks.

[limpid ruin]

definitely not intended

also I timed slope jank once and couldn't even get it to actually save time bc of the awkward dash lenghts it left at the bottom

the safe drop in the middle is perfectly two dashes

[frank obsidian]

[molten aurora]

That's true actually, I didn't even think to try the movement at the bottom.

[limpid ruin]

slope drop is one dash and then aaaaalmost a second dash, but not quite

so its just meh

[molten aurora]

[limpid ruin]

but then again it didn't seem to lose time either, and if you react to the fast drop it will save a bit

[molten aurora]

Hell yeah, time lose some runs to the spikes.

I've been more confident doing dumb stuff in runs recently, so this wont be an exception

[steady lynx]

I'm not even confident doing normal stuff in runs

[molten aurora]

I mean, I know I'll lose the run to something, might as well do some dumb stuff along the way

[normal aspen]

I'm not even confident doing normal stuff in runs

[steady lynx]

I'm not even confident doing normal stuff in runs

[silver rivet]

Can anyone tell me the most major changes in current patch runs compared to non, the guide isn't there for some reason

[steady lynx]

No lever skips, Fluke Nest is useless, you can't open inventory mid air

Main difference for most categories is no lever skip in spire so you have to fight the big red guy to get to Watcher Knight

[silver rivet]

Oh

I heard of a way to compensate for inventory drops, but I didn't know about the levers, thank you

[steady lynx]

Yeah, if you open inventory the physics frame you step off a ledge you can still inventory drop

That's 1/50 of a second btw

[haughty fossil]

fwiw the guide is probably still there it just takes an extremely long time to open because i still haven't migrated to google slides

[deep apex]

Are their any weird rules for recording a run I should know

[sonic crane]

Record the main menu

[haughty fossil]

all rules for game submissions can be found on speedrun.com

click "View Rules" then "Game Rules"

[deep apex]

K thanks

[steady lynx]

Did I miss any big difference between cp and 1221 runs?

Some enemies have more health

[sonic crane]

Spore shroom thk kill

No devout when exiting herrah

[steady lynx]

I think you mentioned you were on PS4 so every category except any% and low% has a slightly different route even to cp PC runs

[surreal prism]

I have decided that speedrun skips on switch is impossible

[true palm]

no queens garden hazard warp, no instabaldur kill, uumuu no longer gets stuck in platforms, theres some variations between enemy spawns, hitboxes and behaviors that can affect pogaxe, moss knight kill, etc, geo is a less tight, buffed thk/traitor lord, vengeful spirit no longer goes off screen, hornets stagger count is increased, epogo is changed (for console specifically, vsync epogo works with no menu changes) are also going to pop up in any% specifically

[hearty adder]

which skips are you having trouble with?

[true palm]

all of the cp ones are possible, but much harder due to input lag. I'd learn the backups for fireball skips, take sporeshroom route to avoid qga, and for epogo id learn either vsync epogo or comfy pogo

[surreal prism]

No

Not that

My problem *because of the skps

Wk is hell

[true palm]

oh wk is hard

[dapper cove]

It takes a lot of practice to get down

[true palm]

for practice start with killing just one knight and quitting out

you can take spire bench for ease

you want that knight to die before the next two spawn

then after that work on getting the next wave done

[dapper cove]

I honestly gave up on it for a while bc I got frustrated and it wasn’t good for me mentally but it legitimately does take a lot of time and patience and practice to nail that fight (pun intended)

[frank obsidian]

Assuming you don't heal, You can take ~1 hit per WK, but dont get hit on the last one

[true palm]

i mean ideally you dont get hit on the solo one

and if you kill them in pairs and properly you can take a safety heal after the first and another after the 2nd pair

but really learn the fight and damage rotation on that first one

getting those doubles/triples, not taking damage, and being efficient

wk already takes people forever to learn on pc, with debug mod savestates and tools, its going to take a lot of work on switch

[fading vortex]

Just finished my first speedrun at a time of 61 long fucking hours

[grand elm]

that's more like a slowrun

[shut beacon]

dont want to be rude ... but isnt that just a normal playthrough?

[elfin vortex]

Uhhh... we gotta start somewhere right

[shut beacon]

yea u got a point

[fading vortex]

B)

[elfin vortex]

Might I ask what cat were u attempting...

[pallid sage]

Low% godhome ending?

[silver rivet]

Ibby I have some questions about console runs

[shut beacon]

oki

[silver rivet]

If that's ok

[shut beacon]

im not that good of a runner but ok ill answor what i can

[silver rivet]

How do you record yourself

[shut beacon]

ahah i havnt recorded myself yet, i still got the white name

[silver rivet]

Oh

[shut beacon]

im planning to do it when i get a better time

[silver rivet]

Do you know how you will record

[shut beacon]

not yet

no

sorry

[silver rivet]

It's ok

Which console do you play on

[shut beacon]

i want sub 2 hour TE before i try it

[shut beacon]

im on ps4

[silver rivet]

Ok

[shut beacon]

what u on ?

[silver rivet]

PS4

[shut beacon]

the main reason is i dont finish a run in one go which i need to do to for me to submit it

[stuck raptor]

you have a few options with console:

1. Stream directly from console to Twitch and have past broadcasts option turned on
2. use a capture card and record/stream using a computer/laptop
3. point a phone or other recording device at your screen and record that way.

[silver rivet]

I know a way to record directly but I can only do it with sub 1 hour runs

I'll just keep grinding till I get sub hour runs

[vital geyser]

i think no one else mentioned this, but cycle based rooms in 1221 are proximity based where cp is global. Theres a room in Crystal peaks which has a chance of being impossible to do fast without damage tank. Also theres hardfall cancelling which is another way to compensate for no midair inventory dropping. You press inventory right as you land and instantly close it

[true palm]

for running on console, since you're running based on rta, there might be some slight variations to avoid load times (not quitting out during shade cloaks an example), also the lower fps makes any 60fps (also known as vsync do to the setting) strats viable but you'll have a harder time doing some other ones. For a better understanding of that stuff you could watch some runs on speedrun.com

iirc you can also backup saves on ps4 which will significantly help for setting up practice files

[deep apex]

I can consistently get the queens gardens acid skip now

Im gonna attempt a run later today

[hearty adder]

getting qga down consistently is huge tbh

good luck on your runs

[ionic cargo]

gl squil

[deep apex]

consistently is like maybe 1 in 3 but thats better than it used to be

[knotty vigil]

Does anyone know how to downpatch to 1.2.2.1 for mac?

where do i ask for speedrunner role, priv dms or this channel?

[hearty adder]

here

[knotty vigil]

do I ping?

[ionic cargo]

typically people wait a bit before pinging

[stray kestrel]

jsut send a link to your verified run and src mods will get to it within a few hours

[knotty vigil]

heres my run

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oumWgJl4Fog

[normal aspen]

It has to be verified on src

If it is link the src run link

[knotty vigil]

its verified

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/run/y4r90g2z

[hazy plover]

if i do a really shitty run of the game and upload it I can technically be a speedrunner

meaning my normal run of the game is already a speedrun

though very, very unoptimized

[hallow orchid]

It has to be a single segment recording, and otherwise follow the category rules, but sure you can do any run you like and submit it

Usually a normal run of the game won't be single segment, of course

[wide hatch]

are there more categories other than just the ones on s[eedrunning.com?

[hallow orchid]

Yes, if you mean meme categories. Check the pinned spreadsheet in #misc-runs-nmg for details on all the different categories we run

[wide hatch]

ty

[hallow orchid]

Generally the most interesting/popular are the ones that get on src. There's also the category extension board if you want to see the ones there

[steady lynx]

First time doing any% in weeks, died to Wk once and killed them twice, 3 cycle Uumuu easier than I remember

[echo wagon]

Sorry if I missed it, but the autosplitter seems to sometimes split for gruz mother almost immediately after exiting to main menu after mantis claw. Any idea what might be going on there?

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/993455948

[mental berry]

does anybody know where I can find splits for the first 4 pantheons?

[gritty fiber]

Hey guys, I've found a way to skip ancestral mound right after getting vengeful spirit, Is this glitch known/allowed in NMG? Sorry if this is already a known issue, I'm fairly new and this was my first practice run 😅

[stiff delta]

The one with the inventory opening allowing invisible you to just dip?

thats known, banned in nmg

[gritty fiber]

Yeah, and thx

[stiff delta]

Unfortunately skipping the worst part of the game is banned

[gritty fiber]

Is it allowed to start walking after the blackout?

I mean, you can also use it to start walking instead of having to get up

If you don't get out of the place

[stiff delta]

I believe its not allowed that way

[hallow orchid]

You can't inventory drop into that pickup at all in nmg

It is banned as a glitch that turns the knight invisible

(Even if you don't move you still have control of an invisible knight after the inventory drop)

[gritty fiber]

Thank you very much, this is my first time doing speedrun in general and I'm kinda all over the place :)

[hallow orchid]

No problem!

[snow dome]

If you head over to https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight you can click "View rules" and see what is banned under the NMG rule set

This bit. Worth checking for each category so you can see what is/isn't allowed, and what that category actually consists of.

If you're doing glitched runs, the rules will be different, but it's also worth watching some runs of the category you're interested in to see what kind of stuff they get up to.

[haughty fossil]

(also read the game rules so you know what you need in terms of video evidence for a submission please )

[gritty fiber]

Thank you very much, I'm kind of a disaster on this kind of things, hope I don't give much trouble

[haughty fossil]

its all good, like 90% of the rejections are due to video evidence rules so its always good to check first so you dont get disappointed

[deep apex]

with a 19 minute dream nail is a sub hour too far out of reach?

[stray kestrel]

that would depend on the category

[rugged crow]

for any%? not at all

[deep apex]

yeah, any%nmg

im pretty bad lol

[silver rivet]

Hello, can I do a short run to get a colour name

[stray kestrel]

all you need is a verified run, category extensions are fair game

[gritty fiber]

Do elderbug%, is pretty optimized

[silver rivet]

Thanks mayo

[dapper cove]

4ms and menderbug% are the shortest ones i believe if you want to do nmg

[stray kestrel]

you could also do a pantheon or i think colosseum

[dapper cove]

yeah colo counts

[silver rivet]

I still can't do P1

[stray kestrel]

aluba% is another good one, its basically practice for the first few splits of any main category

[true palm]

white palace and path of pain are also options (white palace is a LOT easier with speedrun strats) but 4 mask shards is my recommended short run

[dapper cove]

menderbug% is just waiting for menderbug to spawn and fix the sign and kill him

[silver rivet]

I can try Path of Pain

[stray kestrel]

dont run menderbug%, it sucks

just do regular kp

[dapper cove]

it's mainly rng

[stray kestrel]

its 100% rng

[silver rivet]

I lost a first try menderbug

Im sad

[dapper cove]

well there's getting through kp fast and killing menderbug successfully

[silver rivet]

I am really inconsistent with hitting him

[stray kestrel]

i just spammed pause each time i went down the well and reset if he didnt spawn

[dapper cove]

lmao

but if you just want a finished run getting it first try isn't important though

[stray kestrel]

i wanted rekky

[true palm]

if you want to do some of the hardest shadeskips of any category on the boards great hopper% is a category that exists

also most glitched category extensions are pretty fast

[stray kestrel]

but yea if you jsut want a run you can keep going

[true palm]

all glitches aluba% is a banger

the main glitch used in it, while a little tricky to set up, doesnt even count on the timer

[silver rivet]

I think I'll just do Kings pass if that's ok

[last inlet]

gh% is a very fun (and cursed category)

[deep apex]

do low% godhome, easiest category

[last inlet]

i'm taking this as an opportunity to advertise misc cats

[true palm]

kings pass is technically okay yah

[dapper cove]

misc cats are pog

4ms is fun but mawlek is a bully

and the goams

[deep apex]

I might have more fun speedrunning a pantheon but i feel like I need to be initiated with any% nmg

[dapper cove]

if you want an easy intro I'd suggest AS 1221

[deep apex]

once im able to complete a any% run ill probably switch categories

[true palm]

its pretty bread and butter, but i dont think any categories necessary to start with

[deep apex]

all skills, right

[true palm]

(i started with low%)

[deep apex]

I did that in 2:58 for the 5 hour achievement lol

[last inlet]

i started with any% then immediately dropped it bc i didnt find it as fun as other cats

[deep apex]

probably what ill do tbh,but I already practiced all the skips so it would be a waste to not do at least 1 full run

[true palm]

i think running a variety of categories is fun

[dapper cove]

i've never finished an AS run

[true palm]

i dont think you should lock yourself to or away from one

[dapper cove]

i mean any% nmg woops

[deep apex]

true

[dapper cove]

i have AS runs done i'm just v tired and can't think

[flint flare]

yeah, it's a time commitment to learn a category so go with whatever you think you'll enjoy more

[deep apex]

Im doing deeprun route and I probably wont get the mantis pogo

[flint flare]

don't need to gatekeep yourself for wanting to run different categories

[true palm]

will say categories tend to translate to each other fairly well, but pantheon knowledge is pretty niche

[deep apex]

and explosion pogo will probably take me a few tries but I can probably sub 1 hour or so

[last inlet]

especially early game skills often carry over well

[elfin vortex]

Shorter cats u can memorise in a sitting but it depends. As someone who is starting with 112 I recommend doing a shorter cat as you can focus on individual bits

[last inlet]

the start of most major categories are very similar

[dapper cove]

i'd love to eventually try any% nmg but i got so much on my plate currently that burnout feels imminent

[deep apex]

wdym, there are 8,000 different kings pass routes

[true palm]

every category that beats the game has the same early game +/- a couple small things

things dont tend to branch out till after greenpath

[elfin vortex]

Dont know if anyone told u this but try and learn comfypogo and maybe pantapogo

[true palm]

if you are learning cp

[last inlet]

4 nmg king's pass routes: ng (nothing), ng (fury), ng+, and rando (everything that you randomised)

[elfin vortex]

Oh yup nvm then

[deep apex]

im terrible at mantis pogo so I don't want to damage tank

[true palm]

are you running cp?

[deep apex]

me?

[true palm]

ye

[elfin vortex]

Comfy is ez to do dmgless while pantas just hard in general to get/learn

[deep apex]

i forgot what that is

[true palm]

did you downpatch?

[deep apex]

oh, im on 1221

[elfin vortex]

Learn panta and comfy if running cp

Oh ok

[silver rivet]

<@&284848710960021504>

[elfin vortex]

As a back up

[dry sluice]

what is this ping

[true palm]

vsync pogo is way better backup for newbies

[elfin vortex]

Cuz even if u fail it doesnt hurt imo

[silver rivet]

I just had a question. If that's ok

[true palm]

pantapogo just takes 20000000000 years to learn

[silver rivet]

Sorry for the inconvenience

[last inlet]

you dont need to ping srcom mods for that

[tough breach]

please don't ping people for questions

especially if you haven't even asked it yet

[silver rivet]

Oh sorry

[elfin vortex]

I still havent learnt it lol. I need to figure out what im doing wrong but have no idea

[last inlet]

i mean you may as well ask it now they're all here

[silver rivet]

How does timing a console run work, do you manually time it yourselves after it is submitted?

[true palm]

i think the highest success rate i've seen on panta pogo is like 60% tbh

[last inlet]

start and end timer during the run

[silver rivet]

What about load times and such

[true palm]

load times are included for consoles

[last inlet]

since there's no load remover

[true palm]

thats why theyre in separate categories

[silver rivet]

Oh

[true palm]

for a timer i recommend https://one.livesplit.org/, you can pull it up on your phone

[silver rivet]

I feel bad for wasting mods time

[deep apex]

its ok :)

just don't ping them if you can avoid it

[last inlet]

yeah i dont think anyone's too upset, just avoid pinging for questions in future

[deep apex]

uh oh, I think i fucked up my save when I was downpatching

[last inlet]

in general it's a good idea to see if anyone else can help first before pinging

[true palm]

dont open the save its fine

[deep apex]

I forgot to export it lol

[last inlet]

that's normal

[true palm]

its perfectly fine if you dont open it

[last inlet]

as long as you dont open it youre ok

[true palm]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[dry sluice]

its fine sqidl it just wont work on this patch

[deep apex]

I guess i never paid attention to the name when I was downpatched before

[dry sluice]

you can even open it it just wont work

but itll be fine if you go back to cp

[silver rivet]

Sorry mod

[deep apex]

thanks 🙂

[last inlet]

i thought it corrupted if you opened it? is that just wrong?

[dry sluice]

that is wrong

[true palm]

would recommending moving it to a different slot or backing it up

[last inlet]

huh

the more you know

[true palm]

also i never knew it didnt corrupt

why do we get told these things

[dry sluice]

your game will crash though, if you're on a bench that doesn't exist on that patch

[deep apex]

i was in godhome, yeah

[dry sluice]

I think if you're on a bench that does exist you can even play on it fine tbh

[last inlet]

also i swear it displays different locations for literally every cp save file i've seen on 1221

[deep apex]

dont want my godhome save to be deleted, ima just export my save :)

[true palm]

that save file is user1.dat in the aforementioned folder

[deep apex]

ik, thanks

I think im gonna start the run, but ill probably have to restart a few times

[last inlet]

yeah for your first couple runs i'd recommend avoiding resets unless you die to like hornet 1

[deep apex]

i probably wont submit those, but yeah

[silver rivet]

Anybody have console splits

[true palm]

i dont have times for ps4 but i have splits you could use on livesplit one

[silver rivet]

Thanks

[elfin vortex]

What would an avg/decent ismas tear pick up time be? (112 game time)

[dapper cove]

depends on your averages

i personally think you shouldn't compare against other's times

[silver rivet]

Just one question, where do you get the money for lantern

[dapper cove]

which cat mafia

[silver rivet]

Does it just accumulate

Any percent current

[dapper cove]

normally it's a combo of husk, geo rocks, and lemm

[true palm]

idk sub hour ismas is probably what i think would be above standard for a new runner

[elfin vortex]

I like to. Gives me an idea on if I need to improve early game etc

[dapper cove]

you can also look at comsobs if that's the goal

[last inlet]

imo the only times you should be comparing to from other people are comsobs/scaled comsobs

[elfin vortex]

Whats comsobs?

[subtle egret]

i wanna speedrun11

[true palm]

community sum of best

[last inlet]

essentially the best anyone's done every split put together

[subtle egret]

but first I have to disable mod stuff thing

[true palm]

not necessarily

[elfin vortex]

Could I get a link?

[true palm]

its in the pinned comments of each category channel usually

[elfin vortex]

Oh ok cool

[subtle egret]

no I hav like, debug and stuff

[true palm]

for learning the route you can just leave that on

also you might want to downpatch anyway

[chrome glade]

having trouble w displaying the various parts of my any%, opened live split first then HK, even tried restarting. LSplit is saved in a different folder from my hk downpatch, what am i not doing

[true palm]

i'd probably figure out if you want to downpatch, theres a guide on src, 1221 runs a little worse than cp, but fireborn has a guide on setup

[true palm]

you need to actually type in split names

like right here

[silver rivet]

Wait what is current patch

[meager current]

The latest patch of the game

[silver rivet]

The number

[true palm]

current patch is the most recent version of the game (console only runs on current patch)

1432 for pc, i think ps4 has 1433

[silver rivet]

Ok

[true palm]

1432 and 1433 are the same for all purposes though

[chrome glade]

1221

is what im using

[elfin vortex]

Which cat are you learning MafiaCat?

[chrome glade]

omg thats so easy. thx!@

[true palm]

ye np

[subtle egret]

me gonna speedrun holloe knoight:)))

here I go but its on different computer...

speedrun is under 20 hours or 5 hours

I hope I get under 5 hours first try

[true palm]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[true palm]

good luck on the achievements!

but this isnt the channel for them unfortunately

if you're looking for guides for them i'll link a couple if you want

[subtle egret]

oh ok,

i got some

[sonic fulcrum]

Is it possible to make switch pro controller work in 1.2.2.1 HK ?

[true palm]

theres 2 ways, joy2key or steam controller support

[elfin vortex]

You should be able to bind with ahk or something similar right?

[true palm]

the first is 3rd party software

the second involves renaming your 1221 install to "Hollow Knight" and your 1432 to "Hollow Knight 1432" and vice versa every time you play

[sonic fulcrum]

I've tried to use 3rd party software to emulate xbox controller , i can move in the menu but not ingame. I can't press any button except joystick

[true palm]

only disadvantage of joy2key is you lose the option of clawgrip for fireball skips (which doesnt make a big deal outside of low%)

[true palm]

what software?

[elfin vortex]

U can fix that with socd cleaner right?

[sonic fulcrum]

betterjoy...

[true palm]

that wont work with socd cleaner because the macro doesnt work on joy2key iirc

[true palm]

idk joy2keys worked for everyone ik, idk about betterjoy

but i'll show you steam controller support

[sonic fulcrum]

alright I can try

[true palm]

k so you have all these hollow knight folders right here you see

so if i want to play Hollow Knight 1432 i'd rename Hollow Knight to Hollow Knight 1221 and Hollow Knight 1432 to Hollow Knight

then i'd launch the default game in steam

and steam controller support and overlay will work

the other key step is all of these have to be in your default games folder, normally C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common

[sonic fulcrum]

idk am i feeling right , but i think it has much more input lag than the current version . Is it normal ?

[true palm]

double check to make sure vsync is off but 1221 is going to feel a little off

if its really noticeable, lower fps is tied to input lag, so if you have a low end pc that might pe the issue

[sonic fulcrum]

oh i didn't realise it is on default , it feels much better rn oops

[true palm]

ye ye its dumb

[sonic fulcrum]

btw thx so much for the help

❤️

[true palm]

i actually ran with vsync on for a few weeks lol

[unreal sun]

hi

[plush light]

I hate low%

Aaand I'm out

[true palm]

me too

[deep apex]

I was having such a good run then died 3 times on watcher knights

[unreal sun]

my time sucks

its like 56 hours lmao

[hearty adder]

?srpsa

[plush light]

gotcha

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[dusk portal]

Oh no, is vsync having effects when streaming actually?

[hearty adder]

That happens to everyone, don't feel bad any% watchers are tough

[deep apex]

true lol

[true palm]

low% is an acquired taste

[plush light]

I just need to learn the fireball skips and I'll be fine with low%

also how many are there?

For just completing a run

[true palm]

queens station skip and the crystal peak ones are mandatory

[plush light]

What's the peaks skip?

the under spike?

aand which is harder

[true palm]

ye in the cheart room

queens station

[plush light]

I'll be fine with combat probably

[true palm]

the cheart one also loses less time to miss

[plush light]

Oh yeah queens recharge is long asf

[true palm]

for cheart just go left, hit the lever, and theres a glimback you can get 6 hits off

[plush light]

How high are you on the board with 45:50?

[true palm]

top 3

[plush light]

i decided I'm too poor for normal nitro so I'll just get that blue nickname

Are there any other hard skips?

[true palm]

i suck ass at mantis pogo for low%

so i think thats hard

[deep apex]

el no sabe

[true palm]

darknest takes a minute to learn

and same with the dv jump

[plush light]

wait dark deepnest whaaaaa

shit I forgot

[true palm]

its honestly not that bad

you turn on debug mod and i alternate between lantern no lantern

[plush light]

are there any acid skips in low%?

[strong vessel]

Isn't there a lantern route

[true palm]

theres one but its the easiest one in the game

[hearty adder]

having showHitboxes mod for dark room practice is also good imo

[true palm]

lantern route loses like 5 minutes and isnt optimized

[plush light]

I'll take that

[strong vessel]

Yeah but I don't want to do dark Deepnest

Without looking, does lantern route keep the hot spring bench to sell to Lemm and open king's station (and probably get dream nail) before going to Herrah?

Or does it do that later

[knotty vigil]

So i got this glitch, in the hornet fight in greenpath, i defeated Hornet but she just keeps floating and the game softlocked, what did i do and how do i prevent that ?

[true palm]

pick up mantis journal, go right instead of left after tram pass, pick up basin journal, pick up rafters seal, pick up kings station seal, kill ghusk, farm a few husks in city of tears, open up kings station, talk to sly, take tram pass to dnail, then resting grounds stag to dirtmouth, buy lantern, do cpeak, quit out to hotsprings, do beasts den, grab rocks, buy dv stag go to kings, do watchers, get 150 geo from chest, do uumuu win

idk the time loss but its the most efficient way to do lantern

[haughty fossil]

is she standing on the right hand gate?

[true palm]

its a very rare chance to happen if you kill her right before the apex of the jump on the right gate

[knotty vigil]

This is the glitch
https://www.twitch.tv/beanie_0911/clip/EnergeticSeductivePheasantKeepo-ykBRc1wyt0S88Kij
I was softlocked and had to reset the run

[haughty fossil]

yeah that happens

you just have to not kill her there

or move to current patch

[true palm]

if shes falling when you kill her she wont softlock

you wont see it happen very often

something to be mindful of though

[knotty vigil]

alright so just dont kill her in her jump, got it ! thank you for the explanation :3

it only happens on the right gate or whenever she's at the apex of her jump ?

[haughty fossil]

you can still kill her while jumping just be very careful around the right hand side.

only at the right gate

[knotty vigil]

ah ok, thanks a lot

[true palm]

once she reaches the apex and starts falling you're good to start hitting again

if you stagger her up there its inconvenient but the fight keeps going

[chrome glade]

now the timer isn't beginning at the normal time it begins. It worked previously, and then I added the names for splits, and now it doesn't (reopened both LSplit followed by the Game)

[true palm]

game first then livesplit

also timer wont work if you have any editing menus minimized

[knotty vigil]

I am making an optimized any% route guide that basically goes thru the basic route, skips, tricks, boss tips, and extra stuff (by extra stuff I mean things like breaking the wall during the False Knight fight etc.

[stiff delta]

Neat

[knotty vigil]

Is it possible anyone who is experienced with skips and boss fights to help provide some tips and clips of said skip etc. I'm currently not skilled enough to do a few of them

[frank obsidian]

Which ones do u need help with?

Simo is online, WR pace runners beware!

[knotty vigil]

I will send the text file for the script of the guide when im done with it, I added some extra text on the skips and stuff that I can't perform currently, I'm almost done with the text file so im gonna go finish that while having this channel open in my 2nd monitor

[wide hemlock]

If I down patch to 1.2.2.1 should a switch pro controller be working or do I have to do something else to get it to work?

[knotty vigil]

From what I know there is no difference in controller performance on downpatches but I may be wrong, feel free to correct me.

[chrome glade]

i dont get this, tried the order you suggested, the time turned green but hasnt started counting from 0

[dry sluice]

switch controllers aren't supported on 1221, you'll have to either map the controller to keyboard keys with something like joytokey or use something else

[wide hemlock]

k thanks

[knotty vigil]

I could screen share and show you how to set up livesplit if that is the problem here, I have time and I know how to set that part of runs up

[chrome glade]

im like basically there, but thx so much

it just wont start when i start the fall

[knotty vigil]

Did you set up load timer?

I know how to fix that

[chrome glade]

i dont think so

[knotty vigil]

If you plan to verify your runs load timers will also be needed so I can guide you thru that aswell

[chrome glade]

nah, not srs ab it

[silver rivet]

Is shade skip possible on current patch

[knotty vigil]

Yes

[chrome glade]

just want to be able to see how low i can get my personal time

[silver rivet]

Yay

[knotty vigil]

np

[silver rivet]

Is queen garden skip possible

[haughty fossil]

do you have autosplits in the autosplitter settings

[haughty fossil]

eg. there must be at least one autosplit (rightmost window) for loadless timer to work. each autosplit acts as a trigger to progress through the splits (middle/left window)

[chrome glade]

yea think that was it, thx yall. nice gorgeous husk split name (your screenshot) 😉

actually, speaking of, how does one get gorgeous husk as a split the program recognizes

[strong vessel]

It's listed as a split

"Gorgeous Husk (Killed)"

[chrome glade]

ohhhh there it is

[haughty fossil]

i recommend sort by alphabetical if you want to find anything in the triggers list

[chrome glade]

and we dont need one for thk? thought I saw pest had his in his latest wr?

[haughty fossil]

nope, the autosplitter will split on any game ending

have a final split for it though

[sudden kernel]

how to you do the inventory drop?

[haughty fossil]

check the first pin

[sudden kernel]

ok lol

[topaz heart]

yo is there a compiled list of the beta patch changes anywhere?

that aren't listed by tc because i assume there's a lot lol

[frank obsidian]

They fixed the AbsRad hazard bug and the lifeblood glitch. thats all IK off the top of my head

[strong vessel]

Dashmaster fix

WK backwards roll attack added back in

[frank obsidian]

[strong vessel]

Elderbug Greenpath dialogue fix

Though these are the ones that are listed by TC

So we probably aren't being helpful

[steady lynx]

I think all this is listed in the post, probably refering to stuff not listed there

[frank obsidian]

OMG pogggg

[steady lynx]

Like can't buffer inventory out of a dash anymore

Real shame

[frank obsidian]

Oh yeah they patched the Crystal Guardian "Sleeping glitch"

[steady lynx]

Nail arts are supposed to be fixed but...

[frank obsidian]

WHere youDdark and dreamnai;

[steady lynx]

"Fixed" is a loose term btw

[hearty adder]

also no more inventory hardfall cancels

[steady lynx]

I just noticed they added spaghetti arrive to this server

Basically can't open inventory during any animation except walking

[frank obsidian]

Whyyyy would they patch thatttt

hates

[steady lynx]

They know we'll just downpatch if we want it anyway

[haughty fossil]

no dash cancel w/ inventory, removing the easiest method of inv drops

[sturdy glade]

And then they add a full new DLC so you can't downpatch to run it

[haughty fossil]

I mean you can

we literally do that already

[steady lynx]

We've been downpatching to Grimm troupe since Lifeblood came out

[sturdy glade]

we downpatch for godmaster?

huh

[haughty fossil]

no but godmaster is only in like 2 categories

[sturdy glade]

I had a brain fart and couldn't think of the troupe

[steady lynx]

Godhome Ending and 112 are the only categories that NEED 1.4 patches

[haughty fossil]

and both of those are very long and very difficult

[steady lynx]

Other categories have current patch variants

Which really should be renamed to 1.3+ when 1.5 comes out but whatever

Even though nobody will run it on 1.3

More than likely the load difference in 1.5 will be enough alone to make 1.5 faster for every category

For console

If they add more percentages we'll archive the console 112 board btw

[sturdy glade]

will we just kill 112 and move on to the next most percent?

[steady lynx]

Honestly, I'm not the one to decide that, the src mods will probably judge that depending on how different it is

[frank obsidian]

I cant downpatch

[hearty adder]

Many 1xx% categories coexist at once, I don't see why 112% would stop existing

[sturdy glade]

true

[steady lynx]

Both 106 and 112 are very commonly ran even after Godmaster

100% also exists I guess

[sturdy glade]

Aight imma go run 101%

[frank obsidian]

105%

[steady lynx]

Can't wait for the day vali "accidentally" forgets to do Colo3 and gets 105 WR

Gosh, that'd mess up the geo route so bad

[sturdy glade]

time to grind out tiktiks

[silver rivet]

What RHoG

[steady lynx]

Radiant Hall of Gods?

[silver rivet]

Scary

[steady lynx]

Pretty fun

Except Markoth, he sucks

[silver rivet]

Fluffy is scary as well

[haughty fossil]

assuming TC are making a major dlc isassivr wishful thinking tbh. they're already working on a sequel, my guess is this is just maintenance w/ the experience they gained from improving the engine for silksong

though now I say that watch them make giving flower to elderbug a % just to fuck with us

[frank obsidian]

yes

[steady lynx]

That'd work with route, just do Dirtmouth shopping after White palace and bring the flower through WP

Wait

That wouldn't work at all

[frank obsidian]

[steady lynx]

The savewarp would get messed up

[frank obsidian]

Oh I was thinking hitless WP

[steady lynx]

They should just cut the bs and make PoP a %

[haughty fossil]

wp is hitless optimally anyway

[frank obsidian]

Not if ur playing as me 🥴

[frank obsidian]

[steady lynx]

Calm down, PoP is easy

[frank obsidian]

I suffered for ~90 mins doing it, not it is N O T ! (My friends were cheering me on tho so

The first time at least

[molten aurora]

Of course it wont be easy the first attempt, but nothing in speedrunning ever is.

[steady lynx]

Pantheons are easy for me now, but casually I somehow struggled on PV

[hearty stone]

What's the most optimal routing for a speedrun's geo collection assuming I don't want to do dark deepnest?

[hearty adder]

what category?

[hearty stone]

any% NMG

[dapper cove]

Lemm, geo rocks in green path and vengefly, but if you really need to grind go for hoppers in kingdoms edge that’s my go to spot

[hearty stone]

Okay, but where are the best places to get relics?

[hearty adder]

Any% doesn't do dark deepnest, the route already gets enough geo from vengefly king + wk chest + relics

[dapper cove]

They might’ve meant AS bc that has dark deepnest

[hearty stone]

wouldn't you save a few seconds if you did dark deepnest though?

[grizzled maple]

No

[hearty adder]

No, you need lantern for Cpeaks

[grizzled maple]

The only other option is dive which is extremely slow AND a hard save in narnia

And cdash is needed to reach monomon

[hearty stone]

Alright then.

[dapper cove]

...but mag ismas

[grizzled maple]

literally stop

how do i delete someone else's video

[frank obsidian]

Narnia lol

[steady lynx]

My new response when someone asks when I'll us mag Isma's in runs is "After you've done it and gotten a WR"

[hearty adder]

Any% nmg gets the Journal on the room above King's Station, the Seal in the following stag station, the Seal at WKs

[hearty stone]

look, if you want to talk about mag ismas go and grind it out until you're consistent with the hardest trick in the game.

[dapper cove]

I meant it as a joke I apologize

[frank obsidian]

Optimal Mag Ismas

[hearty adder]

i don't know if it gets any other relics, it's been a bit since i've run it

if you're doing nail1 route, you'd also be getting the journal in the room after epogo

[frank obsidian]

You can do the crystal barrel pogo skip to get the kings idol in cpeaks

[steady lynx]

That'd be slow

Beyond slow

[hearty adder]

you go to cpeaks after getting watchers though

and lantern

[frank obsidian]

It takes no longer than 10 seconds if u first try it

oops sorry for the ping reply

[steady lynx]

Yeah, but then you go back to CoT to sell it and get nail1?

After already fighting WK?

[hearty stone]

is nail 1 still used in the speedrun?

[steady lynx]

No

[frank obsidian]

oh yeah i didnt think about it

[steady lynx]

Nail1 is useless, spells for life

[hearty stone]

Is the monarch wings elegant key skip difficult?

[grizzled maple]

The only other relic routing is if you get a nail upgrade. Youd get the journal above mantis village and get the rafter seal in place of wk seal and sell to lemm before wk

[frank obsidian]

but with all the timeloss that I incur being me, it wouldn't be noticeable

[hearty adder]

Optimally no, but sometimes beginners may find it more comfy until they get used to nail0

[grizzled maple]

Nail upgrades are slow though. I strongly advise against it. We have such good practice materials now that you can practice really efficiently. 4 extra damage isn't worth

[steady lynx]

Just grab so much extra geo in cp any% so you don't need the extra relic

It's hilarious how much time nail1 loses on console any%, it's over two minutes

If it wasn't for dream warrior health scaling nail1 would almost be usable in True Ending

But Shade Soul too good

[normal aspen]

That mag ismas video was a mistake

[steady lynx]

Even despite Fire saying it'd likely never be used in a full run we get tons of people asking "When mag skip?"

[stark birch]

ins0mnia this is your fault for not recording your bestgirl% run

we could just show them the vod and be like "see it's both hard and slow"

[steady lynx]

I said it before, when people ask when I'll use it I just say when they've used it and gotten WR with it

[normal aspen]

I did it on stream

I just didn't highlight it lol

[fallen forum]

if we stop calling it “going to cpeaks” and instead call it “mag skip skip” maybe thatll get people to stop talking about it

[steady lynx]

Renaming my cheart split to Mag skip skip now

Just gotta figure out which one is cheart

[fallen forum]

lmao

[steady lynx]

Now I know which is which

[hearty adder]

How are all your split names so relatable

[steady lynx]

The Herrah split is named "Dying to Devouts"

[stark birch]

but why does it take you 2 and a half minutes to get to spore shroom from claw?

[steady lynx]

Console

[stark birch]

no gusten the joke is that your fourth split is named --
and you see --
never mind

[steady lynx]

I know

What if I name Shaman Stone as "best charm" and Spore Shroom as "bester charm" on splits?

[stark birch]

that's the move

[stiff marsh]

Is there any reason to use speedrun mod instead of or alongside QoL? From the config json they seem pretty much the same

[fair island]

The speedrun mod has more changes

You can read the readme for the full list

[stiff marsh]

Also noticed that speedrun mod isn't in the mod installer, any particular reason why?

[quiet saddle]

Who are some of the best HK streamers/content creators right now? I'm really new to the community so I don't really know of anyone's content besides Fireb0rn and Skurry lol

(and no, speedrun vods don't count :P )

Speedrun attempt streams are fine though; I just don't want people linking me to PB vods or something haha

[dull lion]

Fire and Skurry are the only two really big content creators but there’s a bunch of great ones in the community. Pretty much everybody with a decent time on the leaderboards is a streamer to some extent.

[normal aspen]

In terms of streamers:
Emray
Blue
Mathulu
Zeno
Skurry
are all pretty big / stream regularly

[dull lion]

^they are all awesome

[normal aspen]

Ax2u but hew streams less regularly

Monstah as well but smilarley infrequently

Some of the lower ones dont stream as much but they are all really good + entertaining players
https://www.twitch.tv/emray 1xx, mainly 112% atm, Panths
https://www.twitch.tv/blue_sr_ 112% / Any% / All Skills / Memes
https://www.twitch.tv/mathulu 112% / Every meme cat
https://www.twitch.tv/Zenonyra 112%
https://www.twitch.tv/skurrypls Memes / Everything
https://www.twitch.tv/ax2u All SKills / 106% / Any%
https://www.twitch.tv/monstahler All Skills / 112% / Pantheons
https://www.twitch.tv/onmiwe Current Patch any%
https://www.twitch.tv/rhinofeeder Any% / All Skills / Low%
https://www.twitch.tv/paum_is_me True Ending / All Skills / Any% / Any% CP
https://www.twitch.tv/pisces_fl All Skills
https://www.twitch.tv/valignatev All Skills / 106%
https://www.twitch.tv/colliemonster All SKills / Rando
https://www.twitch.tv/mit_battery Low% / any%
https://www.twitch.tv/homothety All Skills atm, basically everything
https://www.twitch.tv/sourcreamsupreme All Skills
https://www.twitch.tv/cerpintext All Skills / 106%
https://www.twitch.tv/manicjamie All Skills CP
https://www.twitch.tv/quacksilverplays All Memes
https://www.twitch.tv/t_k_3 4MS / Any%

This isnt an exhaustive list by any means but its a good start

[vague jolt]

https://www.twitch.tv/ins0mniasr 😤

[dull lion]

https://twitch.tv/ins0mniasr

[normal aspen]

3 non race streams in 2 months 🥴

[fair island]

ins0mnia was trying to not simo himself

[dull lion]

I mean same

[normal aspen]

I was just getting into good enough shape to streama gain and now im going away for 4 days

actual scam

[vital geyser]

i think you could also watch some of the all skills tournament while its happening. its good content. The gdq runs are also pretty good.

[normal aspen]

added some descriptions, mainly off the top of my head so dont hate me pls

[quasi python]

i beat the game in 100hour

[normal aspen]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[stiff delta]

Wow ok insom

Not even shouting me out smh my head

[normal aspen]

Coz u always stream at ass o'clock for me

[stiff delta]

Jokes on you i havent streamed for like a week

[limpid ruin]

[normal aspen]

almost forgot quack til cerp reminded me

another case of ass oclock stremaer

[stiff delta]

Just move to freedom land

Ez

[gusty rune]

@dry sluice give @sullen monolith speedrunner

[dry sluice]

Im bed, idk how to do roles from mobile

[limpid ruin]

tell evo to write here much easier to select the user that way 😤

[normal aspen]

Gotchu

[idle hinge]

Hey, I'm trying to speedrun path of pain and I need some help getting LiveSplit setup. Does anyone know how to automatically start the timer when the room is loaded? I have automatic timer stopping at the end of the run. I just don't know how to setup the split for path of pain loading. In the software I can see Path of Pain (Completed) but not a split for the room loading. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

[normal aspen]

You just press the star timer hotkey in the load

[idle hinge]

Does that count in a submitted run?

[normal aspen]

Ues

[idle hinge]

Great, thanks!

[jovial mountain]

does anyone have tips on how to deal with slow vengeflies in kp? my regular computer is fried and my computer runs hk at 30-40fps

[kind flume]

You can't just wait a bit for it?
Otherwise just jump on the platforms

like, hop down on the ground to lure it, hop back up on the ledge and wait around a bit, then jump and go for the pogo

[jovial mountain]

ty for the suggestion, my current problem is the vengefly moves so slowly that I'm unable to lure it high enough

[kind flume]

as you wait you could do a full jump or two, it might go higher?

[jovial mountain]

ty for the suggestion, I'll try that out tomorrow

[kind flume]

but it kinda sounds like you're better off using the platforms. 30-40 fps is really rough 👀

[jovial mountain]

I picked a bad time to remap controls lol

[stiff delta]

If you are running on 1221 try cp, it runs better

If you are already on cp then that sucks

[jagged vault]

!srpsa

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[jagged vault]

this is not a meme channel or a joke channel

[regal viper]

This may sound like an off topic question but depending on the answer I may or may not have found a very usefull thing

When bosses like Mantis Lord or pure Vessel Scream, are you usually stopped?

[jagged vault]

yes

there are ways to skip this scream stun however

the main one is damage tank early control

there is also an inventory method, however that one is banned in NMG due to it causing invis knight/inventory storage

[regal viper]

Okay so here's the thing. My switch was trying to update and I canceled the update by openning HK, and suddenly bosses scream do not stop me

[jagged vault]

for examples, see the Hollow Knight screamskip in a category like any% nmg

[stray kestrel]

are you able to pick up geo?

[regal viper]

Yes I am

[jagged vault]

which bosses did you try it on?

[regal viper]

And I take damage aswell

This has nothing to do with invulnerability glitch

[regal viper]

Pretty much every pantheon boss

[stray kestrel]

hmm weird

[regal viper]

I can act during every single scream

[normal aspen]

Corrupt game files

[stray kestrel]

yea i'd guess would not be legal for runs

that's neat tho

[regal viper]

Okay, sounds fair

Thanks for your help

I'll try to not close the game

[haughty fossil]

could you maybe show a clip?

[regal viper]

I can record It with my phone if that's usefull

[fair island]

Do you have any mods?

[regal viper]

But I don't have any way to record it digitally

[regal viper]

My switch is not hacked

I will get a video with my phone if you guys want it

[fair island]

yea it would be useful

[subtle glade]

Btw just wanted to make sure, if I record a 1.2.2.1 run and on the file screen I have some cp files where I'm in godhome and 1.2.2.1 can't read that, so it shows some weird numbers, it won't be a problem right?